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My favorite love. I did that because we are in Sydney, Australia. This was one of the greatest live shows we have ever done.
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I'm just going to say it. The episode originally came out September 14th, 2017. All right, let's listen to the intro of episode 86.
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What's up, Sydney? We finally got that right. We finally did it right. Tonight's the night.
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Oh, shit, guys. what's up and what's been up with you guys lately how's your weekend how's everything's been going
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with you oh it's so exciting to be here have you ever had every single one of your triggers
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triggered at one time because i am um i'm gonna start this show by saying this is my favorite murder a true crime podcast
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that's that's also a comedy podcast which is a difficult and complex combination yeah
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and they're they're in they're weaved together and you simply must trust us that we're good people yeah
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that's just for the newbies that's just for the people who are forced here or who saw something
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in the newspaper and they were like let's roll the dice yeah i love podcasts this american life
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love that podcast let's go to this one oh my god mark maron that guy's great i'll go to a pot live
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podcast yes let's see what happens uh so we we wanted to tell you guys what happened last night
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just to kind of address it you know because um at this point the rumors are so insane it's it's a
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little it's a little bit crazy georgia looked on the way over here georgia looked her phone she goes
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oh now they're saying i walked off stage it's just like hold on what is happening i didn't i
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wanted to uh never wanted to more in my life uh we started the show by talking about plucking
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chin hairs as you do i mean who doesn't do that again comedy true crime comedy live podcast
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um and then karen did a great light-hearted murder that's how i do it such a thing and then i didn't
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I was doing this thing where like I did uh I did Jill Marr the night before yep that's exactly what happened yeah yeah yeah so I was like well this time I'm gonna go in a
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different direction oh let me just stop you by saying that uh anyone again who it might be new
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um she did Jill Marr and when we did our meet and greet which is where we get a lot of feedback and we love to hear feedback and people tell us what they think every single person was like I was so scared that you were doing that and you did it great
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And it's obviously, no, no, no, no, it's okay. But I mean, like... The one thing we talk about all the time is that we're here to represent and support the victims.
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Comedy is not around that. So I think I'm okay with the way I did. But then I touched a nerve last night.
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Yeah. There was somebody in the audience who clearly was out for the weekend and made a bad entertainment choice.
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Do you know what I bet happened? Some fucking sweet hardcore murderina was like,
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fuck, I have to work tonight. Uncle Dave. Listen. Aunt Julie. Take these tickets.
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You guys love horror movies. You're really into horror movies. You guys love comedy.
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I feel like you might enjoy this thing. And that murderina was wrong. Yeah. Deeply wrong.
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Really, at the end of the day, what happened is, and as a person who's done stand-up comedy for 100 years, we just got heckled.
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I mean, that's the long and the short of it. It's there's been there's been a lot of words used to describe what happened that I think are inaccurate because just it was a guy yelling.
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This is shite. And although it's rude and jarring and upsetting, it's still not like assault or anything.
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You know what I mean? Like it's just a person going, fuck this. The only thing was really angry. Yeah, he was mad.
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And also, he had like the lungs of Pavarotti. He was the loudest person I've ever heard speak.
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And if you can imagine, all these murderinos were like, like this. What the, you know, in their minds, what the fuck?
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But we were all like, what the fuck? What the fuck? Everyone was like, what the fuck for a while.
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Yeah. And he, it seemed like it went on for 25 minutes. It was probably 20 seconds.
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Yeah. And then they just high-tailed it out of there. and then we had to like sit in it for a little while i did start crying that part is true well
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it was upsetting because he was yelling at her and also it was this moment where like it happens
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all the time in this podcast we were talking about something incredibly sensitive and then one of us
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fucks up and the other one makes fun of that person and they interpreted that as us laughing
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at someone's death right which makes sense logistically you know what i mean it's like
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these these it's not we didn't argue it you know what i mean because that's that was what was
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happening but it also was not what was happening in the least so and then karen fuck i just looked
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at her and i was like and you fucking like a champ took over and like said the most eloquent
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wonderful thing and it was so it meant so much to me listen i have to say i'm so fucking happy
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you're on my team and i'm so lucky that you have my back and it means a lot to me and i'm not pandering
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i'm just pandering i trained at the improv olympic for 22 years no i'm just kidding no yeah and it was just like
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you know what in my for me um i come from a family of incredibly loud yellers so it was like
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oh my god thanksgiving again i was just like are you done okay we get your volume anger um
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no i'm not like that no that's not her experience no but yeah so um there was lots of people who
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were like don't quit the podcast and were like are you i just fucking quit my job i have to do
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this podcast like i've i've painted myself into a corner seriously um we're never gonna post that
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episode i think we should post your the part that we whatever anyways yeah so i don't think that's
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ever gonna happen out of context people will be like that was a weird speech that was a weird
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quiet speech about how hard life can be yeah yeah that was just a magical uh select moment for us
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and the funniest part oh god in the vip oh my god there were people who would come up and be like
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it's so funny because i have anxiety disorder and we're like oh shit it's like worst case scenario
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for people already like it was hard for me to come here yeah and then the man started yelling
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We're like, and an angry man. We're like, this is, and it's 99, look around you.
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It's like all women here. Oh, and then you guys have to, okay, listen, don't tell anyone we told you this.
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Don't tell Madeline we told you this, but they said to us, please don't tell Sydney about what happened.
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So, they were really, I mean, but here's the thing. They were very embarrassed. Every single person that we met in that VIP was so lovely to us.
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they were so and then we had people um part of what georgia's story about was um a crime family
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who uh ambushed cops and were trying to kill cops and that was part of the sensitivity and about the
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fourth people who walked up in the vap line both worked for the victoria police department and one
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of the women was like my boss told me to listen to this podcast for for the health of my job and
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And we were like, are you just saying that? I started crying again. And then I was like, then it dinged in my head.
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I was like, hey, there was a cop here last night, and she likes our podcast too.
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So, you know. She gave us a caution tape. Yeah. And a little badge. Yeah. But then Australia you guys responded in the fucking coolest way that makes us so fucking happy And you all get credit
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You all get credit. Not just Melbourne. We just feel like the mascots of this podcast.
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I feel like I have a tiger head on and a murderino. And we're cartwheeling. And then everyone else is the football team.
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Yeah, exactly. But that doesn't make any sense here. Fuck. But what you mean is at midnight.
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Yeah. two murderinos it was danica and um dan we have their names nadine nadine and danica
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they are social workers in brisbane and they started basically a oh yeah campaign
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oh you're gonna heckle are you and um so we had steven grab a still of what the total of money
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raised for this having happened. Can you see that? You guys, this was as of six o'clock today.
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It's $9,000 that's going to women's organizations in Brisbane, in Melbourne, and in Sydney.
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Thank you. We're fucking honored to have, to be even associated somewhat with that and we know that it's not it's this whole fucking thing
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is bigger than us and we appreciate it's really quite we're gonna have a man come out and yell
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at us every night and then and then you're going to have to it'll be vince if it's vince i can
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fucking deal with it my husband vincent like a mustache and a bowler hat like this is shite
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You'll be like, better raise money. Give us money. I think, can we say someone was like, well, I hope they thought the money was going to me.
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Because it was like, we love Georgia. Yeah, we love you, Georgia. They must have just checked the website and immediately gotten off without reading anything.
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They were like, well, I hope she gives at least some of the money to the hurricane victims.
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We're like, lady, lady. That's what this guy did. He checked the thing really quick and he was like, okay, I know the story.
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I'm going to scream at you. Shite. Shite. And look, sometimes we are completely shite.
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Here's the thing. I was so distracted I never plucked the hair. It's still there.
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Yeah. I'm going to keep it as a reminder forever. And grow it so long. And speaking of facial hair.
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Oh, yeah. Do you want to see your friend Steven? Yeah. Yeah! Oh yeah! Stephen! We're friends, Stephen.
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Hi, Sydney! Stephen, I just want to tell you too, because I feel very emotional tonight, that
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we appreciate you too a lot. Thank you. Good thing you do. I love you guys. We love you too. We love you, Stephen.
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We're always kidding when we're meeting. You guys know that, right? It's fun to yell at
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Stephen, but Stephen does a lot of shit for us. All the time. I love it though. You love the yelling? Yes.
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Perfect! Yay! It's the perfect relationship! Yay! Yay, Stephen. Alright, bye. Bye.
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Should we talk about Spanx or should we sit down? How dare you? I was going to go into a 15 minute Spanx chunk
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and now I can't no I felt like there was one other thing I was going to say that was about
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oh I guess it's just no it's just if I eat one more Tim Tam I'm going to fucking explode
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it is out of control next time we are going to another country instead of saying on the podcast
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everyone bring us all your chalkies and lollies I've since learned is the thing Snicks? Snicks.
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That's Kiwi. I'm just going to say bring us money for the hurricane instead. Bring us money for the hurricane
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straight into Georgia's pocket. Facts. You can gift wrap it whatever you want. My favorite is that you guys call them
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lollies and chalkies, but then also you call heroin addicts smackies. That's so cute. That's something we found out
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from our driver, Wally. That was one of my favorite things I've ever heard anyone say.
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He kept calling us a cunt. And he said, no, no, it's when we like people, we call them cunts.
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And we're like, okay. Is that true? Yeah. Like, that clearly fits me so well. That's my favorite word.
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Love it. Okay, now. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, what kind of... Are these high-challenge chairs?
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No, no! Wow. Levels. This is our new podcast, Levels. Tell me everything. Mommy, mommy, may I have some murder?
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I don't want to be that low. That's a little crazy. Should I just tell briefly the story of when I broke the chair?
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Yeah, because it's so similar, but I wasn't going to bring it up because that's not cool to your friend.
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Like when I told my mom in public she needed to shave her nose hairs. That's not cool.
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It's not cool and it's rude. Now I can't remember if it was the first or second night.
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It was the first night. We've been on the road now for I think 40 days. Not a bit And now I sinking and I not even touching anything Yeah I think we broken the chairs Sorry Very yeah Here I just sit up
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We're a regular Larry Moe and Curly over here We love physical comedy. It's our new thing. Yeah, we told you guys at the top comedy comedy all right
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The first night we got here George and I are doing our makeup in the mirror as we do just piling it on for hours
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before the show starts and um uh in my perspective the room started to slant to the right
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and i didn't know why i thought maybe it was jet lag or a seizure or i was finally going to die
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and right as i turned to george to say like hey is the room slanting to the right to you too
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the chair that I was sitting in just bent like these legs bent under and I in fucking straight up slow motion
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fell to the ground in the chair to the point where when I landed I was stuck in it against the wall
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like I was being eaten by a giant clam yeah and then i went after her i went after to save her but i'm a human so i was fucking
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cracking up the whole time because who doesn't laugh when someone falls but you're still a good
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person so you still try to help she's underlining um i'll say this is what the help looked like
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it looked like this no you know what i think i did i went to hug you because i could tell you
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weren't hurt so it's just gonna be like oh god like nobody wants to a chair to break but then
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i noticed that the chair had like literally been like like masking taped yeah together that's the
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story we're going with masking tape chair yeah uh so i've been afraid of chairs ever since look
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it's been a hard tour we've gone through a lot of shit if i look like i've been crying it's because
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I have allergies. And I've been crying. So this is the portion where we talk about murder.
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Yes. So if anyone only likes comedy, there is a door. Please don't yell at me. I don't mean that.
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Please don't yell at me. They're like, we had nothing to fucking do with it. How dare you?
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I go first tonight, right? There's the door. I didn't mean it like that. Can I tell you about your earrings
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that someone gave us? Please. They say, one says CK and the other one says FU. And if you put those two together the other way, it says fuck.
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It's really funny because there's that. And then someone also gave me a little enamel pin that's a heart with an arrow through it that says fuck off.
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It's like they know you. It's just they know me so well. It's so, I want all my jewelry to be rude to everyone for no reason.
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Oh, so great. Oh, my God. We're back. I'm sweating thinking about this. It fucked me up for a long time. I'm not going to lie. Like, even into this past this recent tour, it's always on my mind.
00:21:16
Oh, yeah. When I go on stage, you know, I mean, that experience, you know, stuff that's happened online, like the exposure level and the vulnerability level, especially when we perform live is I don't think people understand it because it is.
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we've seen some real shit and on that at that show especially it just was like we didn't understand
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what was happening and it just kept going and so then people it was like the other people in the
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audience were upset the guy that was heckling was upset it was just this weird kind of combination
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of things and it was very unexpected because we'd been on this crazy it burst our bubble it totally
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burst our bubble yeah but i i don't want to say it like it was all negative because the melbourne
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And Murderinos did some amazing work after that and donated a bunch of money. It was very sweet.
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It was like there was a whole thing happened on social media because people heard what happened.
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And then people are like, what we want to know and we want to hear. And it's like, it's fine.
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It's fine. We just had to be like the, you know, the parents of it all were like, it's fine and we're fine and don't worry.
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Yeah, they were like not in our city kind of a thing. And I respect that completely.
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And I like we're not never going to go back to Melbourne if we go on tour again.
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So it's not like. No, it was just a kind of it was a person who didn't know where they were at a show going, what the fuck am I watching?
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But they just yelled it and felt like they had the right to yell it. And that was, you know, but you experience something like that.
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That's a real low. And then this show was basically everybody in Australia that cared about our podcast being like, we are going to make it up to you with good times energy.
00:22:56
Like it was hilarious how fun that show was. It really was. So many memories. Oh, yeah, we can say it's it was Denisa and Nadine who started an oh yeah campaign against the heckler and raised nine thousand dollars for women's organizations in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney.
00:23:14
So fucking cool. Just like legendary. That's what this this community has been doing stuff like that, like representing us this whole time.
00:23:21
Wasn't our idea. Do you think we have a larger contingency of listeners than other podcasts or comedy live shows that are epileptic? Because we've had so many people.
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Listen, as an epileptic, I'm going to say, shut the fuck up. No, I'm just kidding. No, it's just if you tour enough, that shit happens. I mean, like any comic can tell you.
00:23:43
Yeah. The medical emergencies. Like at the Irvine Improv, I was there one night when something really medical emergency-ish
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happened in the audience. Jesus. And it was such a big club that I didn't realize it was happening until they were taking
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person out. It's such a it's just a weird thing. It does happen a lot. Epileptic murderinos unite.
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So which is really fun after all that I get to go first tonight. Yep. So right back on.
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They love it. They want it. They love it and want it. I found an old one so that nobody here remembers it happening or is directly related to the people it happened to.
00:26:19
You don't know. I don't know. Anything could happen. We're in a foreign country.
00:26:25
Anything could happen. It's true. It's true. Also, these chairs are going down. I can tell.
00:26:31
Are we on the same? Okay. I think we are. Yeah. This is starting to feel like a Charlie Rose situation, isn't it?
00:26:38
Yeah. All right? Okay. Yeah. This is, you know what I keep doing is I keep writing the name of the story as the doc name,
00:26:51
and I forget to put it on the top of my paper. So then I'm like, I guess this is the story of Auntie Tholly.
00:27:00
Yeah, Auntie Tholly, your poisoner. Oh, I fucking gave away the beginning. All right.
00:27:05
All right. Carolyn Grills, born in 1888. Should I pretend that I don't know it's a poisoner?
00:27:13
Yes. Okay. Because you don't know. I mean, she could have been lying the whole time.
00:27:18
Yeah. Carolyn Grills, born in 1888. So nobody was her BFF as a kid here. You don't know?
00:27:28
Balmain? Balmain. Balmain. Absolutely. You mean exactly how it's spelled? I'm trying to get creative and it's good nor.
00:27:39
Well, right, because when it's spelled and it looks like you know how to pronounce it,
00:27:43
then you say it and everyone's like, it's Bondi or whatever that fucking beach is called.
00:27:49
Stupid. Just because it's internationally known and insanely famous and so gorgeous.
00:27:55
When we flew in on that plane this morning, I was like, ooh, it's like we're on vacation.
00:28:00
I know. Crazy. We have a lot of homework. I know. Okay. April. 1908 at 18 she marries Richard William Grylls hence her last name he's a laborer they have five
00:28:12
sons and a daughter and then in uh so she's a bunch of kids in 1948 Carolyn inherited and moved
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into her father's home in Bladesville thank you thank you I'm like a kindergartner I know
00:28:27
applause when she pee-pees or whatever. She's known as Auntie Carrie by her extensive family.
00:28:36
She's a short... Okay, here's how they fucking... I'll tell you later. Okay. Like backstage?
00:28:41
Yeah, she's an older woman. She's an old woman because 68 is old then. Actually, let's have a photo of her.
00:28:48
Because she looks... This is her. Oh. I know, cutie, right? Fun. She looks like your grandma.
00:28:53
She looks... God, she has great teeth. She really does. Really nice teeth. Nice teeth.
00:28:59
She looks like she could be my mom's mom, and my mom is older than her. Because, like, back then, it was like, you're done.
00:29:06
Yeah. At, like, 50. Back then, it was like, you're 17, you have your six children, and then you immediately look like that.
00:29:14
There was no preventative creams back then. Cold cream all over the place. Yeah.
00:29:20
Okay. Just a lot of dust. so she frequently visited her in-laws and friends making tea cakes and biscuits for them
00:29:29
uh-oh no don't say uh uh-oh remember the poisoner at the top of this thing guess who it is it's great teeth johnson
00:29:38
oh you know what what her last name is grills she's got a great grill thank you this is the joy of comedy
00:29:52
this is what it can be like wait a second is it grills like bear grills the guy that fucking climbs all over the place and survives No wide Isn he a wide Yeah he is a wide No grill Like straight up grill Oh great Legit grill
00:30:06
Yeah. Okay. No fucking round. Yeah. In 1947, her 87-year-old stepmother, Christine Mickelson, becomes ill with symptoms of hair loss, nervous disorders, progressive blindness, and loss of speech and eventually dies while under Aunt Carrie's care.
00:30:24
Hmm. Throughout 1941 and 42, various family members become ill, including a bunch of family members, but all survive.
00:30:35
Then, in January 1948, a relation of her husband, Angela Thomas, also becomes ill and dies of the same symptoms,
00:30:43
followed by her husband's brother-in-law. So I guess it's her brother-in-law, right?
00:30:47
Yeah. It would be her brother. Her husband's brother-in-law is her brother. No, it could be her husband's sister's husband.
00:30:58
Right? No. Okay. Listen, nobody remembers this, so we're changing it. Yeah. To whatever we want.
00:31:06
If you care, go on to Ancestry.com and figure it out yourself. Okay. John Lundberg, he dies in late 48,
00:31:18
and one of her stepmother's friends and sister-in-law, I'm not going to go there, Mary Ann Nicholson,
00:31:24
dies the following year. But presumably Auntie Carrie goes on making cakes and tea and shit
00:31:31
until, I wrote that, cakes and tea and shit, until September 1952, Yvonne Fletcher,
00:31:38
a housewife and mother of two from the inner city, inner Sydney suburb of Newton, is charged...
00:31:45
Newtown! Newtown! It's Newton! Don't laugh at me! This can't turn into a call and response of town names.
00:31:56
It's insane. That cheer was insane. Can I remind everyone that I got yelled at last night?
00:32:02
And I cried. So I'm going to be on edge a little bit. And that includes pronouncing shit wrong.
00:32:08
Let's just pretend that that's why I'm doing that. I think that's why they were like a fucking football stadium just now cheering for that correct town name pronunciation.
00:32:16
I made pee pee in the potty and they're proud of me. We support you, Georgia! Thank you!
00:32:26
Cakes and teas. Newtown, you know. Yep, every time now. Was charged and tried for the murders of both.
00:32:34
So this chick fucking, turns out, kills both of her husbands with this poison called thallium.
00:32:41
So it's a rat bait poison because rats were fucking everywhere in Sydney after World War II.
00:32:48
They were 1.2 million rats just in Sydney. And so... Give it up for rats. And then...
00:32:59
So there was this rat bait, and there was like, put it in bread and sprinkle it around
00:33:04
your house, and you'll kill rats. Where the babies are crawling. Yeah, okay. But it was this crazy poison, and people
00:33:12
were like, oh, you can buy it at the store. I'm pissed at my two husbands. and then they say that at least 55 people were poisoned by thallium,
00:33:23
10 of which died, as far as they know, because they weren't doing toxicology shit back then, right?
00:33:28
Because it was almost untraceable. You mean by her? No, no, no, no, no. Like, in general.
00:33:33
And so this one case got really big. And then, okay, okay, and it caused symptoms
00:33:43
of thallium poisoning were loss of hair. nervous disorders, progressive blindness, loss of speech, organ failure, and eventual death.
00:33:50
Remember that from the beginning? Yes. Oh my God. Are you putting it together? I kind of am.
00:33:55
It feels like someone's a poisoner. I think we have another photo just for the fuck of it.
00:34:00
Let's see. Oh, that's when she got arrested. Never mind. Spoiler alert. That's that time she put...
00:34:09
Oh, look at that house dress. Steven, I didn't tell you to put that up. Wait, was that her?
00:34:15
Yeah. That was a good dress. I'm sorry. Don't be sorry. Be happy. Okay. Because of the widespread media coverage,
00:34:26
so this chick kills a bunch of people, gets all over the papers, a dude named John Downey,
00:34:31
who's related to our friend Aunt Carrie, read the story in a newspaper and was like,
00:34:36
hmm, those sound like really familiar symptoms that I've had myself when I hung out
00:34:42
and ate Auntie Carrie's cakes and shit. Uh-oh. Um, and his, his aunt or something, uh, is a long time ago.
00:34:52
Evelyn Lundberg also had all these symptoms and she had even gone blind. Wow. So.
00:34:57
But she didn't die. No. So on May 11th. That's my birthday. Oh shit. That's right.
00:35:04
That's okay. We always have to do that. Even in the middle of a, not this one, like a, like a word.
00:35:10
Junie. Oh man. anyway when i sent steven some horrible thing that had a date on it the other day it was like
00:35:17
and this is the day this person was decapitated he was like my birthday you just can't help yourself you know they got decapitated 88 years ago on my birthday yeah
00:35:28
i wonder what i was doing that day um okay so he goes over to aunt carrie's house and is like
00:35:36
super suspicious of her. She's bringing tea and cakes and stuff out and he sees her take something out of her pocket and put it in the tea. So he becomes a street
00:35:45
magician and whoop whoop whoop, switches around, switch, switch, switch, switch,
00:35:48
switch, takes the tea that he saw her lace, pours it in what I'm assuming is a bottle I don know and fucking takes it home with him brings it to the police and they test it Whoa Thallium Poison is in it Shocker Shocking Nobody saw that one coming
00:36:09
So then they also take her beautiful house dress, and they find traces of thallium in the pockets.
00:36:16
Aww. So. Pocket full of thallium. Yeah. Don't ruin house dresses for us, please.
00:36:22
That's all I have. You can put so much shit in house dresses. Oh, my God. At coroner's inquest, a bunch of witnesses recalled her bringing them drinks
00:36:32
and how eager she was to help preparing food. I'll do it. I got it. I got it. I want to kill everybody.
00:36:40
Nobody wants to help in the kitchen. It's a thing you offer and hope people are like, no, no, I got it.
00:36:45
So you should be suspicious of someone who's like, I want to help. You know, it's like, no, you don't.
00:36:48
The game's on. What are you doing? Yeah. Calm down. Go eat. What do they have? Billy did.
00:36:54
Okay. So at 63 years old, she's arrested and charged with the attempted murder of her sister-in-law,
00:37:01
who's now blind, and her daughter, the sister-in-law's daughter. Her niece. Both.
00:37:09
Huh? Thank you. I'm big picturing. You're in the details, and I'm out here watching all of it.
00:37:17
You didn't read 18 articles and copy and paste most of it. Nope. This is all new to me.
00:37:22
Yeah. Okay, so she's arrested, and investigators also exhumed a bunch of those bodies from before,
00:37:34
and they found traces of thallium in two of them, and the others had been cremated,
00:37:38
so they couldn't be tested. So the coroner found her responsible for several deaths.
00:37:45
Can they do that? That's how they used to do it, I think, back then. Okay. Coroner's in quest, yeah.
00:37:51
She, there's a book, never mind. I know I'm not going to remember it. It's called The Dictionary.
00:37:57
The Bible? What's that book? Da Vinci Code. That's it. There it is. She's charged with the murders of Mary Mickelson, who was 60,
00:38:10
Christina Mickelson, who was 87, and Angelina Thompson, who was 84. And at her trial, she professed her innocence.
00:38:18
She said police had pressured her relatives to convict her. the ones that were still living yeah um and that she quote helped to live not to kill
00:38:31
me what yeah i helped out people live i didn't kill them but yeah and yet they're dead yeah
00:38:40
and then she was laughing at half the trial she was just like a little nutso about it yeah
00:38:50
Well, she was excited to be out in her house dressed. Sure. And in the end, the cases are dropped,
00:38:56
and she's only convicted on the attempted murder of Mrs. Lundberg, so the woman who went blind, in October of 1953.
00:39:04
Because they could basically only deal with what was happening to the survivors.
00:39:08
I guess. Yes. Yeah. Yes. I'm sorry. What was the time frame? Like, was it over years that she was doing it?
00:39:15
it started in 1940 something say seven let's go seven i think 41 is when it started but somehow
00:39:27
in 1953 okay and so another one in 1953 bob lullum he's an australian rugby football
00:39:34
fucking player but like star i was waving my arms in the air how did you not get that referee
00:39:44
No, like big this is big time. This is big timer star. Okay. Now I know. Yeah. I just have to say this just as a sidebar. The first day we got here, I turned the TV on in my
00:39:57
hotel room and there was a rugby game on. Oh my God. Yeah. Have you ever seen that shit? You guys.
00:40:03
Oh my God. Yeah. They're, they pull each other's hair. Big boys just pulling on each other.
00:40:09
it's crazy it is hot stuff just mute that shit keeping on in the background that's nice congratulations you get that all the time i'd never i'd never i didn't realize i was
00:40:28
such a fan see it scared me it did yeah why because i'm scared of everything everything
00:40:36
How about a nice big thigh? I know what that mime was. Piles of thighs. Okay. So much sweat.
00:40:54
That's bad for you. Yeah, I'm not into that. Okay, all right. Sweat in the thighs.
00:40:58
Not my thing. Yes, yes, and yes. Okay. It's like we're two different people. I mean, we seem to be different.
00:41:05
Yeah. Okay, so this dude's mother-in-law tried to poison who he was having a sexual relationship with.
00:41:14
What? Re-clarify this. Mother-in-law is correct in this part. His wife's hot mom.
00:41:23
I wish I didn't. No, don't look over there. His wife's hot mom and he were hooking up.
00:41:30
What? And she tried to poison him. She was like, you're cheating on my daughter.
00:41:34
I'm going to poison you. I'm making this part up. I'm guessing that's what the thing is.
00:41:38
Yeah. But also it's with me. I don't know the logic here. Shit. Yeah. This story has everything.
00:41:45
I mean, thighs. That's my part. That's it. He lives and soon afterwards Thallium is banned from sale So the jury deliberated for our aunt over here She sentenced to death and later commuted to life in prison She becomes known as Aunt Thally in prison Auntie Thally in prison
00:42:10
It sounds like in a loving way. I think the other inmates liked her. It also sounds like
00:42:17
they're trying to say Aunt Sally, but they have a lisp. Or they're a five-year-old child
00:42:23
in prison. In 1960, she died of, you know, old stuff? Yep. Less than seven years after her trial.
00:42:36
In the end, nobody fucking knows her motives. And people thought it was revenge or envy or anger.
00:42:44
And the dude said, seven people were recipients of charity and kindness from Aunt Carrie.
00:42:51
And they all died or suffered the nasty effects of thallium poisoning. She had maybe financial benefit to games,
00:42:58
sometimes none, and no one ever fucking figured out her motives. Wow. Yeah, so that's our friend Aunt Thally.
00:43:04
Wow, Aunt Thally. Aunt Thally. Thank you. Oh! Man, I gotta get my allergies taken care of.
00:43:18
This sound guy almost shat his pants just now. Stephen Stephen you broke the mic
00:43:25
um well that was crazy okay we're back are there updates for this story there are no updates and you
00:43:35
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00:43:49
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00:43:58
That's right. An arm by a shark. OK, this is Karen's story of the shark arm murder.
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00:46:11
Mine is similarly old. and similarly crazy, I'm going to do the shark arm murders.
00:46:22
Man, I was so bummed today when I text Stephen. Hey, can I do the shark arm murders?
00:46:27
Get out of town. He said, it's off limits, sorry. And when you see that, when you're like,
00:46:32
it's such a bummer. Yeah. Because we have to check with him to make sure the other one isn't doing it
00:46:37
because we don't know what murders we're doing. Except for tonight when I know what Karen's doing.
00:46:40
Well, and also in the car, she goes, you're doing my backup murder. it's my front up murder girl
00:46:48
you just make a list of 20 murders you're like sorry that's mine you took it that's mine um well
00:46:55
this one is i have to say i think of all the murders i've ever read or done it it just has
00:47:03
so much shit going on it that's so uh it's it's beyond and yet i actually i didn't i just
00:47:13
saw shark arm murder and i was like i'm gonna do that and so i don't know a lot about it oh really
00:47:18
you just looked at the title so i'm gonna i'm gonna sit back oh then that would have been better
00:47:23
if it had to do it oh i'm gonna sit back no that's and then tip it this way and then fall
00:47:30
flatten it down over roll yourself up in the rug it's really funny because this somewhere along the line this rug got put into our writer as like
00:47:41
this is the stage design for us. And that means that everywhere we go, somebody has to buy a rug and then like carry it around
00:47:50
all the time. And someone gets like at the venues like, well, we don't have a rug.
00:47:54
We're really mad at us. Yeah. They're like, sorry about the rug. And we're just like, we don't care.
00:48:00
the fuck about the rug anyway that were divas that was just a bit of a behind the scenes for you
00:48:07
tonight tonight you guys get it all the shit tonight tonight tonight okay april 17th thank
00:48:16
you 1935 a fisherman hooks a small shark off of what i'm imagining to be pronounced coogie beach
00:48:24
no yeah by the laughter i'm gonna guess no coochie coochie beach oh i see this is sexy country
00:48:40
coochie beach all right you guys said it i mean okay listen to this shit this fisherman catches a shark right kind of small and as he's reeling the small shark in
00:49:00
a huge shark jumps up and eats the smaller shark and so then the fisherman hauls the huge shark
00:49:09
in alive wow this is the shit that would go fucking viral if he had a camera back then
00:49:14
can you imagine yes that coochie beach fisherman would be a billionaire yeah he'd be at the youtube
00:49:21
convention. Yeah. Okay. So, that alone, we're in, again, if this was a movie, and that's the
00:49:31
first scene, you're not leaving that seat. You're like, whoever this director is,
00:49:35
you're my favorite artist of all time. That wouldn't happen. No. Oh, my God, I can't believe
00:49:41
I caught such a small shark. Holy shit, Jaws is here. Chomp. So, what they do is, it's almost,
00:49:49
it's coming up on on Anzac Day and Anzac Day in Australia is it basically honors all the soldiers that
00:50:00
went off to World War I from New Zealand and from Australia and it's a big holiday weekend
00:50:06
so in 1935 the Koochee Aquarium Baths oh do we have the picture of the Koochee Aquarium Baths Stephen?
00:50:16
we do so they were like a big fancy complex. Hold up. I see the word refreshments.
00:50:26
I see the word rooms. I see the word boiling water. Oh yeah, they had so much boiling water there.
00:50:33
It was awesome. I wonder what the refreshments were. It was boiling water. You could have all the boiling water
00:50:43
you could drink, but you had to drink it right by the stove. While it was boiling.
00:50:48
So that's why they weren't doing very good business. No, not really. Okay, so there's been shark attacks all along the coast.
00:51:00
And in 1935, in the end of February, in the beginning of March, three different young men were killed by sharks on the coast.
00:51:08
So they had people out trying to catch and kill sharks all the time. They were like...
00:51:13
Guys, just leave them alone. Enemy number one. What, sharks? Stay out of the fucking ocean.
00:51:20
I love that where they're like, we're going to take care of this shark problem by killing three sharks or whatever.
00:51:27
There's so many more. Yeah, exactly. It's a hard one to solve when they've been around for 80 million years.
00:51:35
And they don't need to change because they're perfect fucking monsters. Killing machines.
00:51:40
They have so many rows of teeth. Oh my God, Steve and I started getting into this thing today.
00:51:45
he started sending me pictures of sharks with human teeth. Have you ever seen those?
00:51:50
It's the best thing of all time. No, do you ever have a picture? No, I don't think so.
00:51:54
You don't have one, Stephen. I mean, you can just imagine it. It's like a shark picture coming at you
00:52:00
with the crazy fucking pointed teeth, rows, rows, rows. But instead of that, it's like Taylor Swift's teeth.
00:52:07
So it's like... It's like... Oh my God, I need to see that. It's fucking hilarious.
00:52:12
Anyway, we had a great time, guys. So anyway, the owner of the coochie baths was like, business is slow because there's been these shark attacks.
00:52:23
But we've got this big holiday weekend coming up. I'm going to fucking get that big ass shark that that guy just caught.
00:52:29
Stick him in inside the baths. Can you show the inside of the baths? Because he's alive, right?
00:52:34
It's still alive. So they decide they're going to put it. So that's the baths. It's all salt water.
00:52:38
The salt water is coming in from the ocean. And people go and swim in salt water.
00:52:43
They have the same thing in San Francisco. go to the sutro bath so it was right on the coast right okay so uh steven so they take the shark and
00:52:51
they put it in the in the pool so people can come pay money and look at the thing that's killing
00:52:56
people in the water can they see that one the shark steven i want to swim with him um no people
00:53:02
just stood around and said he's pretty big he's pretty big he was what you like to say down here
00:53:09
four meters long. Oh, that sounds huge. Four meters and one ton with two N's and an E.
00:53:21
What a measurement. So this poor shark is, so at first when he's there, he's there for a week.
00:53:31
In the beginning, he's swimming around and everyone's freaking out, paying money,
00:53:33
and everything's working out great. But after a week, the shark starts acting strangely.
00:53:39
It's moving slowly. It seems disoriented. It seems sick. And then on Anzac Day at 4.30 p.m., there's a small crowd in the baths watching the shark.
00:53:50
And the shark goes into a frenzy. And then as it quoted here I got all this information from the Sydney Crime Museum website and the dictionary of sydney and of course our wikipedia
00:54:05
It starts to go crazy and then it starts vomiting copiously is the quote. And out of its stomach come a rat, a rat, a bird, the remains of the smaller shark that he ate earlier
00:54:21
and then the big surprise, a severed human arm. So those people standing around at the coochie bath,
00:54:30
there, okay, there's the arm. No. Yeah. Look at his dukes. The guy, his tattoo's dukes are up.
00:54:38
Well, here's the thing. The arm has a very distinctive tattoo of two boxers warming up together.
00:54:45
Two boxers boxing on the arm. We need to each get that. Should we get it? I get one boxer and you get the other?
00:54:52
Or should we get a tattoo of a severed arm with boxers on the arm? You know someone has that somewhere.
00:54:58
I hope so. Okay. So now, I'm only halfway down the first page of the story. That's all I'd like to say right now.
00:55:09
We've already got a double shark attack. And then the shark barfs in front of everybody.
00:55:15
A paying audience, which I would have loved. and he barfs up a human arm. So they call the police.
00:55:22
They get the arm out of the pool. They take it to inspect it and they notice that it is not
00:55:30
the remnants of the shark having eaten a person because the arm has been severed, not bitten.
00:55:37
I didn't know this. Yeah. So now they know something's going on and they have to look into it.
00:55:43
Okay, so then they take the arm down to the police station, I'm assuming. they fingerprint the hand of the arm
00:55:50
oh my god and they find out that it belongs to a former boxer billiards hall owner
00:56:02
and small time criminal Jim Smith who had been missing since April 7th how long was that?
00:56:09
April 25th is Anzac Day so you do the math because I can't Smith also lived in Balmain.
00:56:20
Hey. Balmain. Look. Listen. Look and listen and spell your cities correctly. We just, I think everywhere we go, we're going to have to sit down with a native for like two hours before we go out on stage.
00:56:42
Two minutes, really. I mean it. We don't need to take that much time to ask a person at the front desk of the hotel.
00:56:50
Cut into that mascara time for just a little bit. How do we say this word? Okay, got it. And then we do things correctly at the show.
00:56:59
Listen, Jim Smith lived in that town with his wife and child. And we're just going to start saying that town.
00:57:06
And his billiards hall, as they were back then, was a, quote, seedy type of place where vice flourished.
00:57:12
Sounds fun. Fun. Lots of rugby. So Jim Smith was also a police informant or what they call a fizz gig or a
00:57:22
fizzer. What? That's what it's like. That's cute, you guys. Isn't that precious?
00:57:26
I like that. Okay. So they look into his situation and they find that either it is Billiards
00:57:33
Hall or the other place he works, which was called the Tattersalls Club. He had fell in with a criminal doing business with a criminal named
00:57:41
Reginald Holmes. Let's take a look at Reginald Holmes. He's a classy kind of criminal.
00:57:47
Oh, fuck. Good day, good day to you, sir. Everything about him. Reginald has a whole box of pinky rings that he keeps on his dresser.
00:57:58
Those teeth have to be put in every morning and taken out every night, for sure.
00:58:03
They're kind of kind of. And sometimes when he talks and he's drunk, they come out.
00:58:07
Like, for sure. They just slip down a tiny bit. Or at least the two front teeth.
00:58:11
Do you know how they, what do they call those? Anyways, flippers. Anyways. Also, I think Steven needs a pencil-thin mustache.
00:58:18
Oh, yeah. I think that needs to be the next direction he takes it. Yeah. It's effective.
00:58:23
Okay. All right, so that's Reginald Holmes. And he was from a family of very successful boat makers.
00:58:32
And he was rich. He had a big mansion at McMahon's Point. His business was in Lavender Bay, all your favorite places.
00:58:39
and he has a wife two children he's a regular at the royal sydney yacht club he's a pillar of the
00:58:47
local presbyterian church but he was also a smuggler and a fraudster as they call him yes
00:58:53
so what he would do was he hired men to drive motor boats out to sea that would pick up packages
00:59:00
that sailors would throw off of boats and the packages would be full of cocaine or they would
00:59:06
be full of cigarettes or they would be full of other things that you weren't allowed to have
00:59:10
there's some straight fucking boardwalk empire shit right here yes you guys seen this yeah this
00:59:15
guy's nookie he's watch it it's a fucking great show reg so jim smith drove one of those boats
00:59:24
so that's how they all kind of know each other okay and so that's the cops are starting to find
00:59:28
all of this out and they also find out that the two reg and jim had started a racket with a
00:59:36
convicted forger named Patrick Brady. Here's Patrick Brady. Not, I wouldn't say as much of a classy gent as Reg.
00:59:45
Probably didn't go to the yacht club that much. Just, this is very superficial. But old Pat Brady I think was like the whiskey Nice head of hair though I think he know what i mean he was good at um drawing because he was a forger oh yeah so he probably smart real sharp uh but i bet he had a foul mouth
01:00:09
all right so the three of them are doing this thing where patrick brady makes checks and um
01:00:17
the he would get they would get the name of reg's fancy friends and the people that he would make
01:00:22
boats for and they would make fake checks and then uh i believe jim smith would go cash those
01:00:28
checks and um so they were in that uh a ring of deceit and deception i don't know what i'm saying
01:00:36
um but apparently and the police find out that jim started blackmailing reginald holmes
01:00:43
and obviously was not a good idea so on april 7th 1935 jim smith tells his wife that he's going
01:00:51
to go fishing but instead he went and played cards with patrick brady at the cecil hotel
01:00:55
in crinola fuck yes good job yes good job thank you so much uh it felt good it was like i just
01:01:05
didn't think about it i just was like i'll just say it i don't want to overthink it because you
01:01:10
get we're starting to get like scared yeah of saying places i'm scared of words and letters
01:01:15
I mean, numbers. Don't get me started on numbers. Oh, my God. Maps? I can't even.
01:01:20
Okay. So he lies, this is what I love, he lies to his wife, says he's going to go fishing, and instead he goes and plays cards.
01:01:28
Wow. Yeah. Roll those dice. Yeah. So Patrick Brady had a rented cottage nearby where they were drinking and playing cards, and that comes into play later.
01:01:42
So a taxi driver testifies that he picked up Patrick Brady from Canola and he drove him to Reginald Holmes' house at 3 Bayview Street, McMahon's Point, apparently a very nice area, or was in 1935, and on the same day that Jim Smith went missing.
01:02:03
And the cab driver said, quote, he was disheveled. He had a hand in his pocket that he wouldn't take out.
01:02:09
What do you think is in there? like an arm his hand was holding down an arm no I don't know
01:02:18
what if he cut the bottom out of his pocket and he was holding hands with the arm
01:02:22
no this is a criminal you have to think like a criminal okay so so Patrick Brady's arrested
01:02:37
so they get that testimony they arrest Patrick Brady on May 16th They charge him with the murder of Jim Smith.
01:02:42
When the police bring in Reginald Holmes to question him because they know he's in the
01:02:48
circuit, Reg says he's never met Patrick Beatty. He doesn't know who they're talking about.
01:02:53
So he ends up, they end up letting him go. They don't have anything to hold him on.
01:02:57
So he leaves, goes home. Four days later, May 20th, he goes into his boat shed and attempts suicide by shooting
01:03:05
himself in the head with a .32. Reginald does? Reginald does. Richie? Richie Rich, Reginald.
01:03:12
But here's the thing. The bullet flattened against the bone in his forehead. What?
01:03:18
And so he was merely stunned. What? Did you make that up? I wish I did. It would be such good writing.
01:03:34
Wow, that's some forehead. I mean, that's like a fucking plate. Yeah. It's, so he stuns himself by shooting himself in the fucking head.
01:03:50
It's stunning. It's stunning. It is stunning. He falls in, he's like in his boat or whatever.
01:03:58
He falls into the water. He falls into the water. The water revives him from a bullet to the head.
01:04:06
And he comes to, he gets into his boat, and he starts driving around Sydney Harbor.
01:04:12
He disrupts the ferry services. Do you think he's just screaming? Yeah. Ah, what the fuck?
01:04:18
It just happened. Gods don't work on my head. That's what I'd be yelling. I'm invincible.
01:04:24
You fucking come at me, you sons of bitches. Yeah. He does this for four hours. Shit, I mean, what would you do?
01:04:35
Right? Who among us would lose their shit? Who among us is right? He finally takes out of the harbor, goes two kilometers out to sea,
01:04:46
and he finally just stops. He allows the police to come on board. And he says to the police, Jimmy Smith is dead,
01:04:56
and there's only another left. If you leave me until tonight, I will finish him.
01:05:02
Oh, okay. Cops are like, sure. So it's like, we suspect, we're the police and we suspect you of being involved in a murder.
01:05:10
And then you're like, look, I don't know that guy, but if you just give me a day, I'll kill him.
01:05:18
Yeah. Reg. Yeah. Reg. Get your shit together. Yeah. What'd you, what'd you get the fucking concussion when you shot yourself in the head?
01:05:26
What did that somehow affect you mentally that you shot yourself right in the fucking head?
01:05:32
Okay. So. There's an empty bottle of brandy in the boat. Of course could have had something to do with it, but also could have been a bullet to the head
01:05:43
so detective sergeant Frank Matthews questions reg and he says He spills it. He says Patrick Brady killed Jim Smith
01:05:54
Dismembered his body put it in a trunk and threw it into Gunnamatta Bay fucking nobody knows what that is I know everyone like we don have that here
01:06:05
You got that from the wrong article. We go to a different bay. That's not our bay.
01:06:10
That's not our bay. They call that, putting a body into a trunk and throwing it into the bay, they call that
01:06:17
a Sydney send-off. Oh my god! It's not an accusation. I got it. I got it from sydneydictionary.org.
01:06:26
Wow. Not even .com. That's a .org. So they know what they're talking about. Slash AU?
01:06:33
Slash EDU. Okay. So. Go on. Tell me more. This is fucking crazy. It's insane. So then he claimed that Patrick Brady came to his house,
01:06:48
showed him Smith's severed arm. Hey. Check it out. But I did. Back in the pocket.
01:06:55
And then... Oh, my God. And then threaten Holmes with murder if he did not immediately receive $500.
01:07:10
Wait. Oh, hey, I have the earrings on, too. I forgot. I forgot. Go on. What? Doesn't this story have that you're not completely focused on everything?
01:07:27
I can't give you more than this. No story will ever be more interesting and you're fucking touching your earrings.
01:07:37
Listen, attention span of a three-year-old right here. Go on. I'm sorry. I'm here with you.
01:07:45
I'm here with you. Please. I'm supporting you. Okay. they they start up a coroner's inquest in my mine as well as yours okay that's how i knew what one
01:07:56
was yeah okay so the day before the coroner's inquest reg holmes withdraws 500 from his bank
01:08:04
account and in late in the evening he tells his wife that he has to go meet someone they lie to
01:08:10
their wives so much in 1935 maybe if you were honest to your wife you wouldn't his wife's like
01:08:17
get out of here his forehead is so hard yeah you can go anywhere you want get away from me yeah
01:08:25
lie to me you're like a monster okay early the next morning which is the day of the coroner's
01:08:33
inquest june 11th 1935 reginald holmes is found dead in the driver's seat of his nash sedan
01:08:38
with three gunshot wounds to the chest oh no and he is the inquest star witness he wasn't
01:08:45
invincible he isn't well they didn't get him here right but he was never offered police protection
01:08:52
oh so he was so but uh so there's a guy named alex castles who's a professor and he wrote a book in
01:09:00
1995 called the shark arm murders which everyone should read i definitely am going to just to see
01:09:05
if it's actually real it would be amazing if um like the sydneydictionary.org was just a prank
01:09:12
website and it's like and everyone here knew it yeah exactly it's like she fucking fell for it
01:09:17
that's my little brother are you stupid um but professor castles um believes that reginald holmes
01:09:28
took out a contract on his own life because to spare his family the shame of him be going to jail
01:09:35
oh that's his theory okay because the crime scene was made to appear like holmes had committed
01:09:42
suicide except for there were three bullet wounds in his chest yeah yeah that would you'd have to
01:09:49
really be fucking dedicated yeah just one more yeah he's like i've tried this before it didn't
01:09:56
work i'm gonna triple down on this one i'm just really gonna focus and i'm gonna just set my
01:10:02
intention. I'm going to do some slight yogic breathing. Okay. The police have no doubt that
01:10:10
he's been murdered. Right. Because, um, uh, shot three times. Well, yes. And, but also they find
01:10:19
out that Jim Smith, they believe that Jim Smith was killed by Patrick Brady on the orders of
01:10:25
gangland figure, Eddie Wyman, who was arrested while attempting to forge a check in 1934,
01:10:31
the year before and the reason he got arrested was because of a tip that jim smith had given to
01:10:37
the police because he was a police informant fine listen that's fine we're on the same wavelength
01:10:46
um so when that happens and jim smith is exposed as a police uh informant all of the
01:10:55
seedy underworld billiards hall denizens know that he's a stool pigeon and he basically has
01:11:02
a target on his very soft forehead yes right at the top of his arm uh okay so here's the thing
01:11:11
um the the inquest starts and on june 12th 1935 but the case against patrick brady falls apart
01:11:19
because there's no evidence so brady's lawyer clive evett actually claimed there was not enough
01:11:25
substance to even begin the inquest he he argued that an arm quote does not constitute a body which
01:11:31
is you can't argue with that um it's just part and that jim smith minus his arm could very well
01:11:39
be alive somewhere else which is true totally um what if he was like oh buddy they're gonna come
01:11:45
after me take my arm i'm gonna get the fuck out of here yeah you keep this you show them my arm yeah
01:11:51
Then do a bunch of other crazy shit. And do whatever the fuck you want, man. Do what you want.
01:11:58
I never liked this tattoo anyway. It's too big and it doesn't... It's obvious. I'm not that into boxing.
01:12:04
I was drunk and my friend made me do it. Yep. Brady is found guilty and acquitted.
01:12:11
I mean, sorry, not guilty and acquitted. That's the craziest part of the story. He's found guilty and immediately acquitted.
01:12:19
So for the next 30 years, Patrick Brady steadfastly maintained he was in no way connected to the murder of Jim Smith.
01:12:25
And he died in Sydney on April 18th, 1965. the age of 76. Reginald Holmes was cremated on June 13, 1935, and he left an estate valued at over
01:12:38
$34,000 in 1935, which today is millions of dollars. Man, I would be a millionaire back then.
01:12:47
Yeah? Well, not really. I'll just be like, doing okay. Just tell him how much money you have. I
01:12:53
I know. Right? Well, I'm giving it all to a fucking hurricane, so calm down. What if I just threw it into a hurricane?
01:13:04
I hope they're giving some money to the hurricane. Here. Pay off the hurricane. Get out of here.
01:13:13
You guys may have already read this, but this is something like on our Twitter that everyone's retweeting,
01:13:18
because you may have known this, but the state of Florida actually had to put out a warning to its citizens not to shoot at the hurricane.
01:13:27
Yeah. That's where we live. Can someone, can we live here, please? You can yell at us all you want, just as long as no one shoots us.
01:13:43
And even though the Navy and the Air Force searched Port Hacking and Gunamata Bay,
01:13:48
the thing you deny exists but i insist is real they never found the rest of jim smith's body
01:13:55
so he could be alive but they don't know that's it that's the arm shark shark arm murder
01:14:02
that crazy was fun full of twists and turns nothing too controversial you know for a true crime podcast yeah crazy
01:14:18
Okay, we're back. Karen, any updates on this legendary story? There are. It's just this one, which is in 2020, a book called Shark Arm, a colon, A Shark, a Tattooed Arm, and Two Unsolved Murders was published about this case.
01:14:37
The authors Philip Rupp and Kevin Meager are the people who put that book together.
01:14:43
So if you want to know all the details and have it all laid out for you, I would get shark arm colon, a shark, a tattooed arm and two unsolved murders.
01:14:52
And then also the dollop did that. I can't remember it was before or after us. It was before.
01:14:57
Yeah. That's what I thought. I used to call Dave when they did good stories. And I'd be like, so since that one was a murder, I'm going to have to probably take that.
01:15:06
Or he would text me and be like, we just covered this. You have to do it. Yeah. Oh, that's not fair.
01:15:10
And he sends you his notes. He's like, just read this. Garrett calls me and he's like, I don't have notes because I don't actually do any homework.
01:15:17
God damn it. He really figured it out. Okay. Should we get into the hometown? Yes.
01:15:24
Let's hear the hometown about John Wayne Glover, the granny killer. Do we? Should we?
01:15:33
Yeah, we can. Yeah, we're going to do at home. Let's do some hometowns. Take a bow.
01:15:41
What if I just threw up immediately? Oh my God, it's over. Thank God. I don't, I let Karen choose.
01:15:50
Well, but. Oh, right. We got a fun tweet and we want, there's someone who made us a very great and specific offer.
01:15:57
I think her name is Jo. Do you, are you still here? Are you here? Can you moonwalk and is your name Jo?
01:16:04
Yes. Can you please come up here? Yep. I see her. There's a door with a. Yeah, you have to go to that door wherever you are.
01:16:12
See that husband of mine? Wave to them, Vince. No, you don't have to do it. No one can see you.
01:16:17
Are you here? Is she there? She's coming. I see her. Does anyone see her? Let her get by.
01:16:24
Is she moving? Move your knees. Is anything happening? Can she have me... Don't spill popcorn.
01:16:30
Is there some kind of action so that we feel... She's here. She's coming. She's going to come behind you, Stephen.
01:16:35
Stephen, get ready. Be polite, Stephen, and find out her name. We're trying to teach him manners, but he's a millennial.
01:16:42
and you guys know how those are yeah yeah there she is there she is yeah you didn think we take you up i remembered it hi georgia it looks like you brought your own microphone That be amazing That how I do Does it work
01:17:01
Does it work? Is it on? Yeah. If you're going to threaten us with a good time. Oh, it doesn't work.
01:17:07
Thanks, David. It was working. Does that one work? Yes. No. Okay. Well, listen, you don't need a microphone to moonwalk, so let's go ahead.
01:17:14
Really quick, though. So we were looking at Twitter, and can you just tell the people what you tweeted at us?
01:17:22
I said that I'm super good at moonwalking if you get tired of talking. And we don't ever get tired of talking.
01:17:30
I don't ever get tired of moonwalking. Yeah. However, we like moonwalking almost as much as talking.
01:17:35
We love moonwalking. We'd love to see some. Yeah. I don't know how it's going to work on the floor, on this floor.
01:17:39
Well, what about the rug? Do you need to take your shoes off? Okay, here we go. She's got holes in her tights.
01:17:48
Yes! Yes! No, I see it. I see it. No, that was super good. That was great. That was amazing.
01:17:57
Do you, um, then we were like, do you have a home? No, it's not going to work. Here, wait.
01:18:02
That wouldn't work. Okay. Do you have a hometown or do you have a really embarrassing thing that happened?
01:18:06
Do you have a hometown? Yeah, well, let's hear it. Now that you're here. Ah, she is, this is a, what do they call it?
01:18:10
A double act when someone's good at two things? Yeah. That's right. A double act.
01:18:14
Double act. A person. A lot of people are good at two things. Well, have you met a lot of people?
01:18:21
Have you come to Florida? No, but I won't take a gun. Where are you from? I'm originally from French's Forest, which is near where this hometown is.
01:18:34
And where is that? Oh, Sydney. Oh, nearby here? Sure. Well, I mean... We're in Sydney.
01:18:41
Compared to Florida. Okay. Okay. There was, this was when I was, I look really young for my age.
01:18:49
Oh. Me too. When I was just out of high school in the late 80s. You do. Thank you.
01:18:56
Everett, did you hear the gasps? They're buying it. They're buying it, Jo. We were, they'd been, this is John Wayne Glover, who's the granny killer.
01:19:07
Oh, yes. Oh, I saw that one. I was going to do that, and I'm like, I can't bear the burden.
01:19:13
This is perfect. Yep. And I was... Someone else. I've got a twin sister. She's really pretty.
01:19:18
I love making that joke. I get it. That's funny. And... Wait a second. Do you have a podcast too?
01:19:27
No, it's for real. Do you really? What is it? It's called Zealot and it's about cults.
01:19:31
Are you fucking kidding? What's it called? Zealot. Zealot. Oh, that's a good one.
01:19:37
Except my friend Alex who's here. I am so shitty because he came up with a much better name.
01:19:42
What is it? See you last Tuesday. Oh my god! I'm like six episodes in so I can't change it.
01:19:49
No, don't change it. Sorry Alex, start your own podcast. It's really easy. Anyone can do it.
01:19:55
Make it about historical cunts. Oh my god, I can't wait to listen to Zealot. Zealot. Duet.
01:20:01
Okay. Yeah. Love it. I love cults. I did the family. I know. Oh, okay. I know. I was kind of shitty.
01:20:10
Yeah, anyway. Did I miss a lot of shit? I know I missed Julian Assange was in it
01:20:17
and I didn't say that. Yeah, no, he was. And have you seen photos of her now? Yes.
01:20:24
Her hairline. No, we saw that one. She got so many facelifts that her face now starts back here.
01:20:32
That's rude. She's very old and dying. Okay. But she's a bad person. Great dresser though.
01:20:41
Oh my God. Such good clothes. Yeah. So, Granny Killer, we... There'd been a couple of old women killed
01:20:51
in Mossman, which is a very ritzy suburb. This is all North Shore where everyone's really uptight.
01:21:03
And John Wayne Glover hated his mother and then he got a stepmother, a mother-in-law that he also hated
01:21:08
and he worked as a pie salesman. salesmen. Pie? Meat pies. Oh, yeah, I know what a meat pie is.
01:21:17
Delicious, savory pastries. Got it. But, like, door-to-door, or... No, nursing home to nursing home.
01:21:26
Oh, no. That's not good. Old ladies sells pies to their nursing homes. You'd think you'd be like, I'm going to get another job.
01:21:35
I'm going to do something different. Nope. And old ladies started to die. in the nursing homes he delivered to, but no connection.
01:21:44
And he even got in trouble a couple of times for he just wander through the nursing homes and just feel old ladies up He was gross But still no connection Why would a pie salesman need anything interesting to happen in his life
01:22:00
Sorry, what year was this again? 1989. Oh, shit. Oh, you said at the beginning, because you're so young.
01:22:07
You're so beautiful. You're so beautiful. And he would see old ladies coming home from doing their shopping
01:22:16
and follow them back to nearly their front door and then as they were opening the front door,
01:22:21
hit them in the back of the head with a hammer and then take them inside. And he wouldn't...
01:22:26
He'd often steal just like $100, but he'd leave their jewellery. And he was basically just saying that, you know,
01:22:36
he doesn't really know how he does it. He just hates old ladies and can't control himself.
01:22:40
But we wanted to go... My beautiful twin sister and I. We wanted to go to... We were invited to two parties one weekend.
01:22:51
Wow. I know. That's how it is when you're young. And we weren't allowed to go to the nearby one
01:23:01
because someone killing old ladies. We were young, though. Are you aging backwards and you looked really old then?
01:23:09
Yes. Got it, got it, got it, got it. And so we went to the other party in Musmen,
01:23:14
And that night he killed someone in Mosmo. That afternoon he had, but we hadn't heard from it yet
01:23:20
because 1989 we were watching Countdown, not the news. Countdown's a really cool show.
01:23:26
Is it? Yeah. And eventually he got... They made the connection between pies and filling up old ladies
01:23:34
and hitting them on the head. And he would also just steal, like, $100 but nothing...
01:23:39
No jewellery. And he'd just go to the nearby RSL. That's a, like... It's a place.
01:23:44
No. Um, I said no. We can't accept any more new information about this country. I'm sorry.
01:23:53
We maxed out. If I don't understand, it's not true. He'd play the pokies with old ladies' money.
01:23:59
Pokies is a thing you do at a place. Do a lot of smackies play pokies? Yeah. How many lones can you buy?
01:24:07
It's sort of one or the other. Got it, got it. Slot machines. Slot machines, got it, yeah.
01:24:13
Hello. Oh, and yeah, doubling. And when he got caught, apparently in jail, he just did anything to attract attention.
01:24:27
And so he killed himself in 2005, but all the fellow inmates thought he did that for attention
01:24:34
and accidentally actually died. So because he would do lots of things to just say, oh, poor me.
01:24:41
But he's dead. amazing can you do one more moonwalk before you go yeah yes okay yeah moonwalk away
01:24:53
you guys joe everybody joe thank you so much perfection wow that is what we're looking for
01:25:03
hometown yes notes listen to zealots i can't wait i know oh my god i love a cult
01:25:12
cults oh shit yeah god bless joe for making that offer so good so good and really coming through
01:25:25
the vibe was just perfection it was almost like our birthday party if the year before the birthday
01:25:32
party had been ruined by like a tornado so everyone's like we're gonna we're gonna make
01:25:36
this the best birthday ever we're gonna show you yeah for sure show you through getting super
01:25:42
drunk and supporting you and having the best accents. Yay. So do you know if there's any
01:25:49
updates for this hometown? No updates. Not a lot of updates this episode. All right. Well,
01:25:53
this episode was originally entitled Live at the Enmore Theater. And if you were naming it today,
01:25:58
based on the fucking babble that we say during the show, maybe we would call it.
01:26:04
it one more tim tam my love of tim tams truly i mean the eating that we were doing on that tour
01:26:13
was incredible so good and the candy being brought to us candy was incredible the tim tams were just
01:26:20
top notch we had a cookie bake off recently at the exactly right offices and i submitted in the
01:26:27
store-bought category and vince i was like i don't know what to bring and vince brought me home tim
01:26:31
Tams. And he's like, everyone loves Tim Tams or they've never had them. And he was right. They
01:26:35
were a fucking hit. They really were. And people do need to know about Tim Tams. It's true. Totally.
01:26:41
We could also call it cold cream all over the place She just looks like she and Thally just covered in cold cream Yeah Or give it up for rats which is when Georgia That so ridiculous I love it That that us having
01:26:59
fun. Yeah, for sure. Or how about piles of thighs? Yeah. Rugby. Oh, my God. The rugby culture we got
01:27:09
to be in. And remember, we actually got to meet a real rugby, a real Australian rugby player.
01:27:13
Thanks for listening guys Let's say goodbye from the stage in Sydney In 2017 Good day
01:27:20
Good day You guys Thank God this went the way it did tonight Thank you Thank you
01:27:33
We needed this We needed it I needed a win I needed a cry of joy And not fear Which is not outright fear
01:27:42
Well, here's the thing, though. We're so spoiled. Oh, my God. Because every show pretty much we've ever done,
01:27:49
and especially every show on this run here in your gorgeous country, has been amazing.
01:27:55
Fucking incredible. Amazing. Like, insanely polite audiences, insanely responsive audiences.
01:28:02
Supportive. Everyone fucking gets it. Everyone's funny. Everyone knows what's going on.
01:28:06
So who gives a shit what happened? You know what I mean? Like, you guys just reset us.
01:28:11
Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. The support of the people who listen to this podcast makes me feel so much joy.
01:28:22
It makes us both in awe and every fucking day we're, we listen, we're divas, but we know how lucky we are.
01:28:29
It's crazy. And, but also it's like, we just, it's just that thing where we're very lucky in that we hit a thing that galvanized a bunch of people, but it's your guys's thing.
01:28:41
you know what I mean? It's, we all just have the same interest and we're just lucky enough
01:28:45
to be the ones talking about it. Thank you so much for listening to us. Thank you so much
01:28:50
for your support from the bottom of our heart. This was an amazing show. Amazing.
01:28:57
And we just like you, listen, all we want is for you to stay sexy and don't get mad.
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