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Goodbye. Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen in Georgia. That's right. It's Wednesday, which means it's time for us to recap our old episodes with all new commentary and updates and insights.
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And we are recording this one today from the studio at Bahamar. That's right. It's a beachside podcast space at the Bahamar Resort in Nassau, Bahamas.
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We are literally in the frickin' Bahamas right now. We came here for work. It's the greatest thing that's ever happened.
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to us. This is our job. It's amazing. Okay, today we're going to recap episode 88, which we named
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Live at the Comedy Theater from our live show in Melbourne, Australia. Yeah. So we're talking
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about Australia. We're in the Bahamas. We are women of the world. And this episode came out
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on September 28th, 2017. So now let's listen to the intro of episode 88. What's up?
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Melba! Hi! We put on hand lotion like right as we were walking out. A little bit greasy for you.
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I'm not rubbing my hands because I'm nervous. It's because... We've been waiting so long to see you, Melba.
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Thank you so much for being here. This is... You alright? No. Yeah. We're really...
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Yeah, we're excited to be here. We bought a lot of stuff already today. You guys have cute things.
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Yes. Some quality. Well, can we just start? Yeah. Can we start where I need to go?
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Yeah. I didn't want to bring it up myself. No, it was mine to bring up. It's mine to bring up.
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We were just, George and I were just sitting in the back, in the dressing room, you know, in one of them light up mirrors
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like they have backstage at theaters like this. We're just putting on pounds and pounds and makeup
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and talking about stuff and whatever. Possipping like we do. Just slowly as we're chatting,
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I just started to tilt a little bit to the right. And right as I was about to turn to Georgia to say,
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hey, are you tilting to the right as I am? The chair I was sitting in folded underneath me.
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The legs of it broke. And I fell all the way down to the ground. but I fell butt first with my hands
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toward Georgia like eye contact the whole way down help me and it was so slow and so sad like and I have that problem of like laughing when people have unfortunate events but i know like oh no isn this stuck for you way like it very thoughtful this is this was
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your way of like helping me george was like this her arm was barely extended no a i was laughing way harder than that
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me i think i just went to you and hugged you because i was like this isn't gonna go well
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I kept thinking that I was going to be able to recover because so much time was passing.
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It was like fucking January, February, March. So I was like, this is going to end soon.
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This is going to end. But instead, it just kept going. You were just laying there laughing.
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Like, don't even get me up. A little bit folded up. And then Vince had to come in and pick me up off the ground.
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It was that major. Well, today, earlier. hold on I'm not done no because I was going to share a thing that happened
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to me I know I just need to fully process mine though it's yours it's your moment I'm positive mine's worse
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the waves of shame are still hitting me no shame no so much it was like the chair had been broken before
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clearly and was now duct taped together and that was the story we're going with No, I swear.
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When you bend metal with your ass. Okay, what happened to you? Did you fall down?
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No, I did something dumb in front of a lot of people. Well, it wasn't, but whatever.
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I was like, first day in Melbourne, I'm going to go shopping, all kinds of vintage stuff.
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And I was like, I'm going to go sit at a cafe by myself and have breakfast. Wear a scarf.
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Yeah, I was wearing a scarf. so I got all dressed up and I put makeup on and I was like leaving the hotel with my headphones in
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and like all these like dudes who um park cars valets and I was just like it was very um like
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sex in the city and then there was a step I didn't see and then when I you know like when I do anything
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I make a lot of like I'm very like I can't just step off a step and not know it's there
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and I fucking tweaked my back a little and I did. And I turned and looked at one of the guys
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just to be like, can you believe? You know, just to be like, I'm okay. And he was just staring at me
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like he was disgusted at me. We're going to get him fired. Yep. So it's been a clumsy day.
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Hoo! Hoo, hoo, hoo. Yeah, and then just one more just hit me. Oh, no. Yeah, it's just going to keep happening.
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No. Do-do-do until I eat Pringles in my hotel room tonight alone. Do it. I will.
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You guys, what an amazing trip. We're in Australia, for Christ's sake. We're in Australia.
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it's it's i had to tell you when uh they first uh suggested this idea that we come
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down and do this tour both of us were like oh we can't do that yeah we can't we can't travel
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can't get anxiety we can't go far away yeah uh it seemed impossible yeah um it seemed like a joke
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yeah we'll go okay sure tell them we'll be there totally but then it actually worked out yeah i think a big part of that was that um somebody
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and i'm not sure who it was flew us first class yeah don't be jealous i feel there's definitely
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some anger we'll go anywhere if you fly us first class we'll go straight to fucking hell we'll be
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like first class we'd love to go to hell and do a couple shows yeah do they have a uh do they have
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a menu i can take a look at do they have a lounge all the people we talk about are there
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we might it might actually be very dangerous for us to go there but to make things fair and like
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to make myself not get a big head i stole something from first class that's right georgia
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Georgia kept it super real in first class. It was a little like, fuck the man. Yoink.
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Punk rock always. With us. But can I get another champagne, please? Yes. And I need a better pillow.
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So you got really excited because they served us food. You know I love that. That's not the part.
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I got really excited because they served us food. Everyone gets excited about food.
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Then Karen turned around in her seat and said to me, did you see the salt and pepper shakers?
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Because they were a little pepper and a big salt in the shape of the Sydney Opera House.
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Oh my God. Yeah. It was like pretty adorable. I thought of them. So then I had four wine with dinner.
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Or breakfast, we're not sure. We don't know what time it was. We still don't. They closed the shades, they turned the lights down.
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There was like, you know, they put like fake twinkly lights up. So we're like, dinner, great, wine.
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Yeah, I believe it. Dinner. Dinner. Wine. And then after dinner, I go backstage to go to the bathroom.
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Backstage? You called it that twice. Is that because of the curtain? Yeah. I know these people are like bustling around working. It reminds me of like, you know, what you think life's really like, which is like, everything's fake.
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We're not really on a plane in the air. It's like, it's simulation in your brain. So we go backstage where the action happens.
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That's for all the clockwork, right? It's for hamsters and a thing. Yeah, making the plane go exactly
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everyone's working and bustling around and I'm waiting for the bathroom and the laboratory and
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I first class now and I like crunched into a corner and I look to my left and there like a big tray full of salt and pepper shakers
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And everyone suddenly is like turning with their back to me. So again, four wines.
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And so I fucking into my scarf, took care of it. And then I walked by Karen. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. oh no the police and as i walked by karen i was i was like giddy while i was like even peeing i was
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like oh she's gonna love this i was like i should say that for when we're like in brisbane for our
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first show i can't do it i can't do it i can't do it i have to do it now and so i walked by and
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like threw them at her and i had already was trying to figure out how to look them up online
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to buy them i was like would that be in sky mall or does virgin have their own version i'm like i'll
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like this. Of course, there's no Wi-Fi to check anything, so it's just all up here. And then
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Squirrely Scarfie walks by and goes like that and puts them in my hand. I almost started crying. I went, I tried to grab
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her face. I was like, oh my God. But quietly, because everyone else is asleep. Except for the baby that was screaming in first class.
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Wow. First class baby. Rare. A rare bird. Screaming first class baby. First class baby.
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You can hear the other, the people who are used to being a first class who live there,
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and that's their normal life. They're just like, is the baby leaving? Before we take out, where's the, who's taking the baby away?
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Is there a night nurse or a wet nurse somewhere to take the noise making baby away?
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Maybe a white, a wet night nurse? A white newt nurse. No, too many words that I just tried to say at once.
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What was the other thing? How about the shirt you got me? Oh, just today you mean?
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So then I was walking out in Melbourne. Do-do-boo. I do have to admit, we were in Auckland for 48 hours,
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and I saw the inside of my hotel room, and then the inside of the theater that I was in.
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I know it's not funny because it's like the most beautiful country on the planet perhaps.
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They don't want to hear that. It's here. Oh, are they like, is this like the Dodgers versus the Giants style, total vicious?
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Yeah. Or the coast versus the middle of our country. Oh, right. Red state, blue state?
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Is this some intense political shit I just stumbled into? Fuck. anyway it's so ugly I stayed inside
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wow Steven cut it oh Steven's here oh Steven's here come on Steven wave to the people
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yeah look at him say hi hi yeah Mike, say hi. Hello. There we go. Okay, wait. Now, can we have that spotlight?
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Steven's going to sing a song really quick. No, Mike. Okay, bye. Bye. Bye. Somebody there.
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We're making him sleep in someone else's car. No, we're not. It's his own car. You're like, that was the most hilarious older sister movie.
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You're like, come out here, get away. And I'm not even anyone's older sister. But I'm good at it, right?
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Pretty fun, right? Yeah, it is. We have good training. She got me a shirt. There's a store that you guys have.
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It's like the best called Dangerfield. Dangerfield, yeah. Fuck. It's so cute. Everything.
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I got a scarf that's like flower print. And then there's just flying squirrels, little ones all over it.
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And then one that's the same thing, but flying bats all over it. It's like the best.
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so you come back. As opposed to ground bats? Shit, I meant bats and flying squirrels.
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Is that what I, whatever. No, you got it, you got it. Bats. Bats. And then you came back from the hotel.
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Well, I was in the store. She showed me all these things. I'm like, now I have to go.
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Because at every point, somebody either Georgia or I has to be laying in their bed.
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She took the first shift and went out into the world and then I stayed there eating bonbons and then she came back and then when I
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went out to Dangerfields and I was just like I wish I was 30 years younger so I could wear
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some of these wonderful pigeon prints or whatever the fuck is happening here but I'm like looking
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through there's so many cute things tiny things also like what size is a small or a medium what
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size is a medium here i don't know it's all small and the tiny shop girl was like well i'm an eight
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and i'm like well then i'm a fucking 40 because my god you fucking bitch oh anyhow um no but i'm
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going through these shirts and everything i pull out has like a different wonderful like a koala
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with a gun or whatever it's just like just great ideas everywhere at that store your mascot
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It's you. Koala with a gun. What you love. Um, flip, flip, flip, pull out, and there's a shirt and it has a gray cat sticking out
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of the pocket wearing a babushka looking mad. And I was just like, so I text, I took a picture, I sent it to George, I'm like, why didn't
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you buy this? I was like I had been like fuck you and like put it back Well clearly I didn see it Yeah So then she came back knock on my door And I brought it to her but Georgia I don know if you know this about her but Georgia loves to be nude
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Oh. Yeah. It's nude or house dress is my like preferred form of being, preferred state of being.
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It's fun. My preferred state of being is slowly falling off of a chair I've broken.
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for the rest of my life. I do like to be nude. It sounds so like pervert-y, but it's not in a pervert-y way.
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No, it's natural. Yeah, so I answered the door naked. I like to use it as a joke, too.
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She's like, what's up? Just like, here's your shirt. I wish I didn't get you now.
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It was basically, put some clothes on. Put this on. with pants. It's fun to be like
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people don't expect you just to be a... What? You know, naked is funny. It was funny. Thank you. It was very funny.
00:19:05
We know each other very well. Yeah. Here's what I was going to say. So when we got here when we were
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in Brisbane the first day one of the first... So another part of... We're just going to keep talking about
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first class. It never happened. This is how new it is to us. Like you guys would too.
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If you, and perhaps you do. If you ever go to the fucking first class lounge, they have all the stuff sitting out
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that's like the nicest stuff to eat. Like before you even get on the plane, they're like, don't worry, you don't have to hang out with plebs.
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Go upstairs. Get out. In the airport. Don't eat Burger King, come up here. And so they have these little jars.
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What? It's Hungry Jack's. Oh, Hungry Jack's. Hungry Jack's. Wow. It's good stuff.
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So they had all these little jars of yogurt with muesli mixed in, which is very foreign, and we don't have really that in America.
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You have it, but it's like at Whole Foods, and it's for hippies, whatever. She's talking about muesli, not yogurt.
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You just have yogurt with granola. Yeah. You guys have yogurt with muesli. And dried fruit.
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Goat's milk yogurt served by the goat who gave you the milk. It's so charming. Stewed fruit.
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Stewed fruits tied in a ribbon. Stuffed into your muesli. So I was like, this is my new lifestyle.
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I'm just going to do muesli and yogurt for the rest of my life. And then we were joking around.
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We were like, oh, no, because then somebody gave us Tim Tams. And we were like, oh, shit.
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Here's the dream. Because Tim Tams are clearly the perfect food, second only to muesli and yogurt.
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and we were like what if there was a tim tam murder that would be so amazing either that's
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the weapon or it's you know they fight over it yeah two people is the last box or whatever
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well i'm looking on the internet which we like to do there has been a muesli murder what did you
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hear about that she's bringing this on me yeah oh you did not i told you when okay listen to this
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can you give us a second the fucking owner of famous i swear to you the owner of a famous
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muesli company a 75 year old man stabbed his business partner to death you know about this
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there's a murmur very recently a murmur from the muesli community they had to shut their their specific muesli company down i think it's called the muesli
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company wow something like that that's so weird and then the murder i did in brisbane sorry the
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chick uh the chick confessed because they gave her tim tams remember oh yeah that's right
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that might have not been correct but i saw it in one article and i was like i'm going with that
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who cares it doesn't matter this this by the way is my favorite murder oh yeah clearly
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this is georgia hart i'm georgia hart stark that's karen kilgaro i'm karen thank you thank you
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uh all right sweet is it sit down time i think that's it we've done everything we can
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we've done everything we can i'm scared to sit down do you want to switch chairs just in case i mean will it help they do look okay just
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if I start to slide to the right just you there just stick your hand up just do one of these
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Karen because I can't do it again you're responsible for this you just put a lot on that poor girl
00:22:48
who's not going to enjoy the show now it was like this I thought you were like aghast
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at something I had said I remember what I said it was almost like a Michael Jackson
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kind of like but then I ended up on my ass I just want to make it clear that I did not just laugh at you and not try to help.
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I came for you to save you. I just happened to be laughing the whole time. It was just so slow.
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Also, I just knew you couldn't help me. At that point, I was beyond help. Here's the thing, and we all know this.
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Once you fall in public, you can start to fall, and you'll be like, and if you catch yourself, you can just walk away.
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Maybe you have some hot cheeks, but that's all right. You hit the ground, it's over.
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You're fucking done. You're done for you're the person that fell If on top of that you're the girl that broke two legs of a chair good good night nurse. How am I here right now?
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It doesn't make sense How we doing? Half-eaten mint. Yeah, I shouldn't have put that in right before we walked out on stage
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And we are back I have a really important question for you. Yes Do you still have that salt and pepper shakers that I stole?
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Absolutely. You do? I brought them up to my dad's house because I was like, I will knock them off a counter and have them drop.
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So they're in my dad's kitchen. I literally see them every time I go to my dad's house.
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Oh my God. Because he's, for some weird reason, I can't remember if we talked about this when we were there.
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He loves Australia. My parents went to Australia for a big trip and he was going to go again.
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and so I just I brought them up and showed them to him and then was like what if we just put these
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right there because they're like sculptures I know they're like it looks like the opera house
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I mean it's so good they don't want those to get stolen they shouldn't make them look so fucking
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cool yeah that's kind of on them must have stolen them all the time right all the time and I bet
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they knew that I did I probably wasn't like chill I'd had four glasses of wine with dinner I will
00:24:51
say this when you handed them off to me you it was the kind of thing of like you were acting out
00:24:59
the thing I was like just steal them just steal them no they'll know it was you you have to act
00:25:03
like the kind of person that's been in first class before stop blah blah blah and then when you did
00:25:07
it you just it was such a secret handoff it was hilarious I'm proud of Georgia from 2018
00:25:12
she did some great stuff back then she had some great moments also one of your greatest moments
00:25:19
is how the way you helped me and or didn't help me as my chair fell apart in slow motion.
00:25:25
I remember that exact moment. You were so slowly collapsing. It was the weirdest.
00:25:31
Because you weren't getting hurt and I could tell. No. But it was so funny. We didn't know. It was almost like we didn't know what was going on. But then it was like
00:25:38
once I tipped past the point at the center point. That we can't like ignore it anymore.
00:25:42
Just like reaching. And your reach was a classic like when your sister's like hand me that thing
00:25:48
and you're like, here. No. It's like the chair was melting. Yes. Slowly. I didn't understand what was happening.
00:25:55
Why would someone duct tape a chair leg back on and expect it? That doesn't, it's on them.
00:26:01
That's not even your embarrassment. But also it might as well have been the theme
00:26:06
of the entire tour. It's just like the funniest, weirdest experience. Steven was there.
00:26:11
That's also the show where someone gave us, like they left us presents after the show
00:26:16
and I think someone accidentally gave us their makeup bag. Oh, yeah. Because they have like a murder makeup bag.
00:26:22
Yeah. And I think they accidentally, like, because I got their sunglasses out of it.
00:26:26
I think I have a photo of myself in the sunglasses. Yep. Yeah. What a trip. What a trip.
00:26:32
We love free shit. Okay, now let's do your story, which is such a crazy story. And I had never heard this one before.
00:26:38
I still can't believe that this is the first time I ever heard about this story.
00:26:40
One of the worst. And that you did it live. Yeah. And that it's a very special episode
00:26:45
because it's got our very first introduction to Paul Onions. To Mr. Paul Onions.
00:26:51
All right, let's get into Karen's story about Ivan Malott and the backpacker murders.
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All right. Okay. I'm going to settle in. Guys, I decided to just go for it and pick one of the most famous serial killers in Australian history, Ivan Milat.
00:31:49
Wow. God damn it, we just put lotion on. Okay. I spit a little. Uh-oh. Is he here?
00:32:08
Something like this is going to be embarrassing. Titter, titter, titter. Titter, titter, titter.
00:32:12
Titter, titter, titter. I went to school with Ivan Malat's grandson. I worked with his nephew.
00:32:19
My mom used to be in the office where this wife of the secretary turned out to be.
00:32:25
We want all those people to email us, by the way. Yeah, that's right. We're not making fun of them.
00:32:28
You had best. That cheer, we always feel like we need to say for the people who are here for the first time,
00:32:37
with people who force them to come. The ushers? Yeah, the people that work here, people who have never listened to this podcast.
00:32:45
We're not cheering for murder. No. We're not. I mean. It seems like we are, but I swear to God we're not.
00:32:51
That's not what's happening. Remember in Auckland when we were meeting people afterwards and these two girls came up and we hugged them and then I looked at the girl's face and I'm like, this is the first time you've heard the podcast, huh?
00:33:02
She's like, yeah. It's like I could tell by your face because you were not happy to see us.
00:33:08
you were a little nervous but your friend was like hi you were like hey hey hey you guys are scary we're an acquired taste yeah like cool people like uh what's it
00:33:23
called marmite yep vegemite vegemite sorry sorry sorry sorry so some girls said to us they gave us Vegemite and then they go don't put it on like Nutella
00:33:39
yeah because I think that's the mistake of it it's disgusting and it's like well you ate a
00:33:43
fucking spoonful of it you're not supposed to like eating a spoonful of mayonnaise and being like
00:33:47
ew it's gross it's like well you fucking did it wrong but I love the idea that like you put on
00:33:53
everything like a Nutella you're just like we're all going through life like I bet this is super
00:33:59
delicious exactly like Nutella no matter what. Even though it smells like fucking nickels.
00:34:08
I mean... What's up, Australia? Okay. I would like to say that my sources for learning all about Ivan
00:34:21
Millat and the Backpacker Murders are a British show called Crimes That Shook the
00:34:27
World. Congratulations. She shook the world. A show called Crime Scene Investigation Australia, which is, yeah, it's really good, except for on YouTube, it's ripped.
00:34:41
And so it's backwards. It only takes up like a quarter of the bottom of the screen and the audio is sped up.
00:34:49
So as I watched it, I began to go insane. So I took the hit for you on that one.
00:34:55
Oh, wow. And then also a website just called news.com.au. No. Karen, your computer is on fire right now.
00:35:05
Back at the hotel. It's all just Russian people in my computer. Oh, look at this.
00:35:12
What is she? She's weird. Wow. She likes violence. So in the late 80s and early 90s, Georgia, I don't know if you know this.
00:35:21
Let me know it. This was really my time when I was really at my prime. I hardly broke any chairs and I was doing all kinds of drugs and drinks.
00:35:32
Well, people who weren't total losers like me were backpacking all through Australia.
00:35:38
It became such a huge thing because you could come to Australia cheaply and then you could, on a shoestring budget, you could backpack all throughout the gorgeous country.
00:35:50
You could go to the gorgeous world-famous beaches. and actually they started building youth hostels so that people could do this and it turned into a billion industry of backpacking around Australia in this time
00:36:05
That all changed. Oh, no. Yeah. On September 19, 1992, two joggers who were running on a trail in Belangelo State Forest...
00:36:19
Never run on a trail. Oh. Belangelo. Oh, I added an E in there. Sorry. Belangelo.
00:36:28
I'm homesick. Belangelo State Forest. So imagine this. They're jogging on a trail and they smell something.
00:36:38
No. Always. So strongly that they know it could only be a dead body. Wow. So they go off the trail about 10 meters.
00:36:47
I don't know how far that is in America. Listen, we were busy shopping all day. We didn't have time to do conversions.
00:36:55
I've been shopping and falling. Me too. So in the brush buried under some sticks and leaves,
00:37:05
they find the body of Carolyn Clark. The police are called. They set up a search area.
00:37:10
And the next day, in doing one of those walking searches where it's like 30 police officers arm to arm,
00:37:17
they find the body of Joanne Walter. She's found about, oh, 30 yards away. Okay, I'm going to go metric and American all throughout this.
00:37:28
Throw them in there. What's up, yards? Okay, so these two women had been missing for five months.
00:37:36
They were both young British students who had come separately to Australia. They both had always dreamed of coming here and backpacking here.
00:37:46
They both loved traveling, and they met at one of these youth hostels, and they had decided that they were going to spend the summer picking fruit to make money
00:37:54
and then finance their backpacking around Australia. So in April, after they had kind of done all that, they had decided to hitchhike back to Melbourne,
00:38:07
and that was the last time anyone saw them alive. The police determined that Carolyn had a sweater tied around her head.
00:38:15
She'd been raped and shot in the head ten times. Holy shit. Joanne had been raped and she had been stabbed 14 times.
00:38:22
Both of the women were bound and they had found Winchester cartridge cases near the bodies.
00:38:29
So, yeah, it's real quiet. Okay, but other than what I just named, there was almost no evidence that they could find.
00:38:37
And so essentially the case went cold. And so a man who lived nearby and who knew that forest really well, his name was Bruce Pryor.
00:38:45
and he had kept checking the newspaper to see if any other stories would come up about these two
00:38:51
bodies that had been found there and he didn't see any and so he decided since he knew the forest so
00:38:56
well he was just going to start going out and looking to see if there was anything else to be
00:39:00
found so for the next nine months holy shit he searched around a thousand meters of forest
00:39:08
and then one day he spots a human skull. It's upside down in the dirt. He picks it up.
00:39:16
Oh. He didn't know it was the 90s. He brings it to the police. And so... He had good intentions.
00:39:27
It don't... He meant well. At least he didn't use it as an ashtray. Yeah, that's true.
00:39:34
For a couple months. Or he didn't go like, I was right and throw it back down. shows that, this will show them.
00:39:41
Okay, so basically the police were like, holy fuck, and they come out and they set up a perimeter
00:39:47
and they start searching the area and then a second body is found. Well, this is actually a fourth body,
00:39:56
is found 22 meters away from where that skull had been in the ground. So these are the remains of James Gibson and Deborah Everest.
00:40:04
They were two students who grew up in Melbourne. they decided that they were going to hitchhike together to a music festival in albury and they
00:40:12
had both been missing for four years wow uh james's bones had been marked with multiple stab wounds
00:40:19
um deborah had been bound she was savagely beaten she had a lot of broken bones in her face
00:40:25
and and she had been stabbed um their bodies were 600 meters from where carolyn and joanne had been
00:40:31
found. So now the police set up a task force of 300 police officers and they start combing the
00:40:39
entire forest. So relatively soon after that, they find the remains of German tourist Simone
00:40:48
Schmidl. She disappeared while she was hiking from Sydney to Melbourne on January 20th, 1991.
00:40:54
And they determined that she, based on the marks, and this is how it happened with a lot of these
00:41:01
remains because there was so little of them left that they just had to count the stab wounds on the
00:41:06
bones so they knew she had been stabbed minimum eight times um after her body was found the police
00:41:12
made an official statement that they had a serial killer on their hands and that statement of course
00:41:18
makes international news because um simone schmidl was german uh the um first two women were british
00:41:26
It just goes everywhere that they that now hitchhikers are going missing and then bodies are being discovered
00:41:33
Well, uh up in birmingham england a man with my favorite name in the world paul onions
00:41:40
Oh my god, come on dude dude go find him. I mean I have to make him mine Paul, you don't know me.
00:41:53
And I certainly don know you Karen Onions Mrs Paul Onions Wow So Paul Onions right he gets the paper and he sees the story and he fucking freaks out
00:42:10
Because four years earlier, he had a very interesting experience very near the Belangelo National Forest.
00:42:19
Belangelo? it's really scary for in this podcast saying whenever you say that a place you get this like
00:42:27
scared feeling because you just are waiting for a scream at you imagine that that's why we have
00:42:34
started our new program spell it like you say it fuck yeah we just it would help us so much
00:42:42
if people would just fucking start spelling things phonetically yep and stop being assholes
00:42:49
okay so here's the thing he called there's a hotline number in the article that he's reading
00:42:55
so he calls up and he's like hey i'd like to give an official statement because here's what's
00:42:59
happened to me four years ago he's hitchhiking he was hitchhiking uh he was in liverpool but in
00:43:05
australia he was and he's trying to hitchhike a thousand kilometers back to melbourne and he meets
00:43:11
he's like trying all day he finally meets a guy named bill who's super nice and cool and bill's
00:43:16
like oh hey are you trying to hitchhike where are you going and paul onions is like i'm trying to
00:43:22
get to melbourne and he's like so am i jump in my big old truck listen onions do you call them
00:43:27
onions he was like hey blooming onion and that's how the outback steakhouse was born
00:43:34
sorry about that i'm so sorry we don't go there no um okay so they're in this truck
00:43:45
This story is so fucked up. Do you know that I don't know it at all and I'm so excited right now?
00:43:51
You don't know this at all? No. They're in Bill's truck. Okay. And they're driving for a while.
00:43:58
And then Bill's like, oh, hey, I can't do it. I want to do it so bad and I can't do it.
00:44:04
By tomorrow night, we'll have learned. Yeah. I had to watch more TV. Yeah. I tried to make a joke about how people here say the word snicks instead of snacks.
00:44:14
and I tweeted it and then all these people are like, that's a Kiwi accent. And I was like, well, here's an American accent.
00:44:21
Go fuck yourself. Seriously. I can't take it. It sounds like snicks to me. Also, it's just fun.
00:44:32
If someone goes, would you like any snicks? Yes, I would like 1,000 snicks. I mean, I'd want them even if they were snicks.
00:44:38
But now I want them for sure. I want them more because they're snicks. Snick, snack.
00:44:43
let's focus yeah guys there's so many pages left okay here's the thing they're sitting in the truck
00:44:51
he's like we're about to there's going to be no more radio signal so i'm going to pull over here
00:44:56
and i'm going to go in the back and get some tapes because it's the late 80s early 90s and uh
00:45:00
and paul onions is like that's cool man because he's so chill and awesome yeah and so he goes to
00:45:08
open his door to stretch his legs and bill suddenly gets real rude and it's like stay where you are
00:45:13
put your seatbelt on and paul onions is like hey man i just wanted to stretch my legs he's like stay
00:45:19
there so then he shuts the door and he's sitting there and he looks down there's a whole bunch of
00:45:24
tapes right there in the in the console in between and he's like uh-oh this isn't good maybe he just
00:45:31
wanted a thousand maniacs in the back or whatever no 10 000 thank you well back then they were only
00:45:38
a thousand that's when you like them they were only a thousand oh no that's scary okay yes so
00:45:45
he's like that i just when i was watching whatever one of those backwards fucked up shows were i was
00:45:51
watching that idea that you'd be sitting there like okay like that thing where the first thing
00:45:56
a person does that's weird but you're like oh okay i guess i'm still going to sit here because
00:46:01
i don't want i don't want to be rude to the super weirdo who's yelling at me out of the blue
00:46:06
For doing a super normal thing, like opening a car door. Opening a car door is a bad sign.
00:46:11
And then it's like, all right, well, Bill's pretty cool. I think, uh-oh. And just like the stomach drop.
00:46:18
Yeah. Right as all that's happening, the driver's side door flies open. Bill comes in and goes, you know what this is?
00:46:25
And he's holding a gun. Just to your two fingers? No, it's a gun. It's, yeah, it's a pretend gun.
00:46:33
No, it was a real gun. He's holding a real gun on my blessed and beloved Paul Ungerns.
00:46:39
What a stupid thing to say, too. Do you know what this is? Yeah. Like, just say, I have a gut.
00:46:46
Yes, I know. What if he was just like, no. Yeah. I don't recognize that I have a strange brain disease.
00:46:52
I don't recognize things. I'm a pacifist. I don't recognize your weapons. Those don't exist to me.
00:47:01
Yeah. I don't see weapons. Yeah, and then he fixes his beautiful hair. He has really long hair.
00:47:09
He's just gorgeous. He fixes his gorgeous. Kind of blonde hair. Onion hair. Yeah.
00:47:14
What a dick. He's turning into an asshole. Okay. But the ironic part is Paul Onions does not have body odor.
00:47:20
And that's why I love him the most. God, he got teased so much for that. You know it.
00:47:25
No, he smells like delicious flowers. Do we have a picture of Onions? Of Paul Onions, no.
00:47:31
I only had a picture of the reenactor. Oh. And that's not the man I love. He's too beautiful for eyes.
00:47:37
He's too beautiful to have his picture taken. So, right? Bill's like, do you know what this is?
00:47:43
Paul's like, I sure fucking do know what that is, and jumps out of the truck. Girl.
00:47:47
Bill starts shooting at him as he runs up the highway away from the truck. And luckily, a driver pulls over and lets beautiful Paul Onyonce
00:48:00
into his car and drives away. Goodbye. Thank fucking God. Thank God. Thank God. So, this all was a phone call on the hotline.
00:48:11
It took him two hours to tell that story. I forgot that part. So, that statement is taken.
00:48:18
He hangs up and doesn't hear back. Because when they set this hotline up, what they didn't realize is that
00:48:25
in the first 24 hours of this hotline, They got 1,000 pieces of evidence. People were calling in all over the place with all kinds of stories.
00:48:35
And the police were completely inundated and were not prepared to process that much information.
00:48:40
So meanwhile, while they're trying to set up hotlines and get the word out and do all of that,
00:48:47
they're still searching the Belangelo National Forest. You're mad at them for that name now.
00:48:53
We're in a fight. It'll be fine by the time this is over. but this is the drama of the story.
00:49:00
Okay, so as they are searching, they find the remains of German students Anja Hoppschneed and Gaboya Nogabauer.
00:49:09
They had left for a winter holiday. They'd gone to Bali in 1991, and they had decided, like around December,
00:49:19
she had finished up her school. She was on winter break. They decided to go to Bali,
00:49:24
and then when they were done with their time in Bali, they were like, let's hop on over to Australia and go to Bondi Beach.
00:49:29
So they spent Christmas on Bondi. It's Bondi now. Okay. What is it? Bandy? Bondi.
00:49:41
Bondi. It's Snicks? Can we Snicks Beach? Okay. Snicks Beach. Got it. The world famous Snick Snack Beach.
00:49:55
They are due home in January of 1992. They never make it home. So when they process the bodies,
00:50:06
they find that Gaboya had been shot in the head six times. Anya had been decapitated, and her head was not found.
00:50:15
But the police did find 47 cartridge cases at the scene, and they were able to match those cartridge cases
00:50:21
to the ones found near Carolyn Clark's body. so now seven bodies have been found in the Belangelo National Forest.
00:50:30
So the police get a forensic psychiatrist to make a profile of this killer. Love this shit.
00:50:38
Right? And based on the location, based on the violence, based on the weapons, based on everything, he basically says this killer would have grown up
00:50:48
or worked in the area of this forest. He would have had past criminal behavior. He would have shot guns with his family.
00:50:55
He would have a big family that would have insulated him and separated him from the rest of society.
00:51:02
And he would have had major control issues and been a real macho type. And as they're talking about all of that, the police are like, we know a guy like that.
00:51:15
And we know family like that. Oh, fuck. It's Ivan Malat. Well, they were just like, oh, we know this dude.
00:51:23
Yeah. So they had been a kind of a family that was well-known in the area. Maybe we say it like that.
00:51:30
They had made a name for themselves where they lived. So Ivan Millat was a road worker.
00:51:38
He spent most of the 60s in jail. He loved guns. He had a four-wheel drive truck.
00:51:43
He had 13 brothers and sisters. Holy shit. When they interviewed his neighbors, they said that he was friendly, outgoing.
00:51:52
He was always washing his truck or tending to his garden. Like as this, some guy in the audience or some chick's like, I do the same thing.
00:52:03
I'm not a murderer. I heard somebody just go, murderer. Immediately. Fucking murderer.
00:52:12
Loves to garden. We know your type. so all of his neighbors are like we really like him he's friendly but that they go to interview
00:52:19
his ex-wife and she's like uh yeah yeah you want to talk about ivan malatt well uh it was he was
00:52:25
married to a woman named karen duck who he married when she was a teenager karen duck
00:52:31
she described ivan malatt is a brutal controlling husband who was gun crazy Aren't you bummed that you laughed at her now?
00:52:45
Yeah. She says that he often took her to a pine plantation, to the Belangelo National Forest,
00:52:54
and to the Janolan Caves, which are, I guess, a tourist attraction. Thank you so much, Mom.
00:53:05
My mom's here, everybody. What? That sounded like an American accent. typical so they start then uh with all of these things kind of lining up they start looking into
00:53:21
ivan's early police record and they find that he was convicted of uh an eerily similar case in 1971
00:53:29
uh in april good friday 1971 he picked up two hitchhikers near liverpool train station
00:53:36
he pulled a knife on them bound them gagged them told them if they screamed he would kill them
00:53:41
he took them into the forest and raped them both and put them back into the car and one of them
00:53:49
convinces him to pull over so they can get a drink at a gas station and he lets them and she gets out of the car they both get out of the car and go into the gas station and get in there like you fucking guys help us and everybody gets them and then they go after they go after him
00:54:08
he got away but eventually he was arrested um he was facing don't clap yet he was facing
00:54:14
two counts of rape and robbery um and what he does was he faked his own death what by yes he
00:54:23
left his shoes at a renowned Sydney suicide spot called The Gap, which I used to work at The Gap.
00:54:32
You worked at a suicide spot? It's not that bad. Oh, sorry. I stepped on you. No, no, it's okay.
00:54:40
I think it worked. I think you built it. Okay. So anyway, he escapes to the place we all hate so
00:54:47
much New Zealand. But he returns in 1974 because his mother had a heart attack and she was
00:54:55
hospitalized. And so they re-arrest him then. They had arrested him the first time, but then he,
00:55:01
of course, faked his own death at the Gap. He bought a sweater, faked his death, left him.
00:55:08
Left his shoes in the changing room. Yeah. Like, oh shit. They were just like, oh no,
00:55:14
I guess he's gone forever. Go back to folding these sweaters. Have I ever told you my sweater
00:55:21
folding story? I don't think so. This one is a little bit classic and it's worth me stopping this
00:55:27
horrible tale. I used to work at The Gap for Real in San Francisco. It was my first real job and it
00:55:34
was also when I was really also working very hard at being just a dedicated alcoholic. And so
00:55:41
So the day after Halloween, where my friend and I went dressed up as two people who worked at the Lancome counter.
00:55:49
What? Is that what we're dressed as right now? Yes, exactly. We just went out in our black clothes and my friend got two Lancome name tags for us.
00:55:59
That's cool. It was pretty rad. And then we just got beyond shit-faced. The next day was a fold-down day.
00:56:05
If you've ever worked retail or worked at The Gap, you know the fold-downs. You have to go into work like four hours early and literally refold the entire store.
00:56:15
Every single item in the store is refolded with a board so it all looks perfect.
00:56:20
Just to break your soul a little bit? Just because they're like, hey, we're paying you $6 an hour.
00:56:25
Why don't you earn it? Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. So we went in. We woke up. We were supposed to be there at 7 in the morning.
00:56:33
We woke up at 8.15 to the call of our manager being like, you fucking assholes get down here.
00:56:38
But luckily we lived one block away. And so we like in our Lancome outfits, we go in, we start folding.
00:56:48
I have the back wall and it's, I'll never forget. Cause every time I see these sweaters, like at a thrift store, I'm like, here it is.
00:56:54
It's one of these sweaters gap. It's a gap sweater from 1991. I'm folding down this wall of sweaters and so hung over.
00:57:03
Like it's just still a little drunk. It's funny. Cause she doesn't drink anymore.
00:57:08
That's right. So you can just I've never killed anyone with a car or gone to jail. So let's celebrate my alcoholism.
00:57:15
I fold down a line of this whole wall of sweaters. I get to the bottom of the first row and then I just lay down and fall asleep on the ground.
00:57:26
And my manager, Colleen, came up and she's like, go home. Oh, my Colleen, Colleen. She aided and abetted my alcoholism. All right.
00:57:38
Where are we? He never, he's re-arrested, but he is acquitted of both the rape and robbery charges
00:57:49
because there was not enough evidence. I'm sorry. So, I know. These two jokes are like...
00:57:54
How about this evidence, motherfucker? Hi, my name's Evidence 1 and Evidence 2. So, the police go to speak to the rest of the Malat family,
00:58:04
and they interview his brother Alex and his brother Alex's wife and they talk to them for over an hour.
00:58:11
It's just, they're not getting much. The police get up to leave and Alex's wife goes, oh, hold on.
00:58:17
And she goes and gets a backpack and hands it to them and goes, he gave us this as a gift.
00:58:24
Could you have lead with that, honey? I guess there were some issues. She was having some problems.
00:58:29
The police take it and find out that the backpack that she gave them that Ivan gave to them belonged to Simone Schmidl, the German backpacker.
00:58:40
So then simultaneously, or at least that's how it seemed on these shows that I was watching,
00:58:48
they go through, they're going through all the statements that they had gotten in the first,
00:58:52
you know, month of the hotline and they find beautiful Paul Onion statement. Oh my God.
00:58:57
From all the way up in Birmingham. And so they call him back and they find they find out that his story is real.
00:59:05
They actually have the Birmingham police interview him to make sure that he's not some nutcase.
00:59:10
They end up flying him down to Australia and Paul Onions identifies Ivan Milat in a lineup.
00:59:19
And so the police can now arrest Ivan Milat for the attack of Paul Onions. so on may 22nd 1994 at 6 a.m the police surrounded malatt's home um it's really funny in the
00:59:32
reenactment they called him on the phone and were like hey can you come outside for a second
00:59:35
and then he did and then he was down on the on his perfectly manicured lawn wow all right face first because he likes gardening that's right he likes things just so
00:59:47
uh when the police enter his home they immediately start finding trophies from all of these murders there all this camping equipment there are all kinds of personal belongings just everywhere The police are identifying them as they look around the house And they also find rifles ammunition hunting knives and a sword
01:00:11
And then hidden inside a wall in a plastic bag, they find pieces of a Ruger 22 rifle.
01:00:17
And when the ballistics expert reassembles those pieces, test fires it, it matches the bullets used to kill Carolyn Clark.
01:00:25
So Ivan Milat is charged with the murders of all seven victims. And on July 27, 1996, following a 15-week trial,
01:00:33
the jury returned after three days and found him guilty on all charges. He was sentenced to six years imprisonment for the attack
01:00:40
on the most beautiful man in the world, Paul Onions. And seven consecutive life sentences for each of the murders of the backpackers.
01:00:49
when asked if he had any comment he protested his innocence he said he didn't do anything
01:00:59
for sure um but his younger brother richard uh told the police that there were quote heaps more
01:01:06
bodies out there to be found and there are there are 11 other unsolved missing persons cases that
01:01:15
are extremely similar to the backpacker murders going all the way back to February of 1971.
01:01:22
Holy shit. So I'm just going to go through these real quick. Karen Rowland was driving behind her sister.
01:01:28
They were driving up to a hotel in Canberra when... Shut up. No, I'm kidding. What is it?
01:01:38
She's asking her friend who's... Canberra. Canberra. Canberra? Okay, just really quick, just a suggestion.
01:01:48
How about you spell it C-A-N-B-R-A? Oh! Okay, I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad at you at all.
01:01:58
Okay. This is so creepy. The two sisters take two separate cars. Why? It's not as fun.
01:02:05
They must have had work or something. It makes me so mad when I read that. I was like, what?
01:02:10
They're driving. Her sister loses sight of Karen in the rearview mirror. mirror. Her car just isn't there anymore. She continues on to the hotel. And then when she
01:02:19
gets there, Karen isn't there. And she thinks maybe she went back home. She doesn't understand
01:02:23
what happened. So they search, they find the car with an empty gas tank on the side of the road.
01:02:30
She ran out of gas. Yeah. And she ran out of gas and then 15 meters off of the trail in the
01:02:36
Fairburn pine plantation, they find her body. She was lying on her back, legs straight out,
01:02:41
her arms encircling her head, clothing pulled down indicating sexual assault. A beer bottle was
01:02:46
found nearby. So in June of 1972, Robin Hoyneville Bartram and Anita Cunningham, 19 and 20 respectively,
01:02:56
they were student nurses, they were roommates, and they were going to spend the summer
01:03:00
hitchhiking around northern Queensland. They set off from Melbourne on their way to Bowen.
01:03:06
and it really is scary they were never seen again in November Robin's body is found under a bridge
01:03:14
in Sensible Creek she was shot in the head with a .22 Anita's body was never found
01:03:19
a woman told police that she and her mother had chatted with those girls at a hotel that July
01:03:25
and the girls told her they had gotten a ride with a man named Cowboy Stephen do you have that one picture of Ivan Milat
01:03:33
oh no Oh, no. It's actually very in fashion now, what he's wearing. Okay. Friday, October 5th, 1972, Gabrielle Janke and Michelle Riley decide to hitchhike from Brisbane to check out a party on the Gold Coast.
01:03:56
A week later, Gabrielle's body is found at the bottom of a steep embankment on the side of Pacific Highway at Ormuel.
01:04:02
10 days later at 6 p.m. on October 23rd, Michelle's body is found 12 meters from the road in the bushland off of the Mount Tambourine Highway.
01:04:13
They both had massive head injuries from fractured skulls, and both of their clothes were pulled up and branches had been covering their bodies.
01:04:20
On October 30th, 1978, 20-year-old Leanne Goodall was dropped off by her brother Warren at the Musclewell Brook train station.
01:04:28
uh warren thought she was taking the train back to sydney but in fact she decided to go to swansea
01:04:36
swansea near newcastle to see her parents she got off the train in broad meadow in central newcastle
01:04:42
uh someone spotted her at 3 30 that afternoon at the star hotel she was never seen alive again
01:04:50
her remains were never found robin hickey four months after leanne goodall's disappearance um
01:04:56
18-year-old Robin Hickey leaves her family home in Swansea to meet friends at the Belmont Hotel south of Newcastle.
01:05:04
She's never seen again. Amanda Robinson is a 14-year-old girl who vanishes on her way home to Swansea from a school dance.
01:05:14
Ivan Milat was named as a person of interest in all three of those disappearance cases because he was working a road crew at the time.
01:05:22
But there was not enough evidence to arrest him. And then there's, I mean, look at this.
01:05:30
There's three more pages of people who had the exact, it's the exact same MO. It's always 15 meters off of a trail, back in the bush.
01:05:41
In the same area, generally? The same age. It's girls that he meets at hotels. There's always a witness.
01:05:48
But in the same general area, kind of, too. Yeah. It's along the Gold Coast, right?
01:05:54
They not sure either You guys fucking flunked that class basically the the eastern this eastern coastal side and all up because basically this this i did look up on google
01:06:08
maps it it takes like seven hours and 37 minutes or something to drive from melbourne to the
01:06:16
blangelo national forest and so that thanks and so that's like the that's basically the area that
01:06:23
he was working in and he was a road worker he also delivered tires truck tires so he was always
01:06:29
he was always on the road and he was always leaving work and coming back um where and like
01:06:35
having people cover for him and stuff jesus now really quick sorry i mean those are just like there's there's six more people who have the exact same mo
01:06:49
in their death. There's 58 total of missing people who there, there's pieces of, of their
01:06:57
murder details or their murder that can be related to Ivan Latt, but because he will not admit to
01:07:03
anything and never has, they can't get him on anything or prove anything. And their families,
01:07:10
you know, have no, have no satisfaction. They just don't get to know. Um, so he's in jail,
01:07:16
right and he decides to cut off he's 73 now he's still in jail he's in the supermax he's going to
01:07:23
be there for the rest of his life in 2009 he cuts off his little finger with a plastic knife
01:07:28
and the uh people in the jail decide they're not going to reattach it i mean he doesn't fucking
01:07:36
need it i don't i interpret it i'm sure there was like a medical reason and a whole decision
01:07:42
But in my mind, I was just like, they're like, no, you did that to yourself. He had previously injured himself by swallowing razor blades, staples and other metal objects.
01:07:54
He went on a hunger strike because he wanted a PlayStation. Oh, no. That was in 2011.
01:08:01
And now his in 2012, his great nephew, Matthew Mallott and his friend, Cohen Klein, who were 19 when they were sentenced.
01:08:09
they were arrested for murdering David Occioloni on his 17th birthday with an axe in the
01:08:18
Belangelo State National Forest and he Matthew killed him and his friend taped it on the phone, recorded it on the phone
01:08:30
that's how they got caught they were sentenced, Matthew was sentenced to 43 years in prison and Cohen was
01:08:36
sentenced to 32 years in prison And now I'm seeing this thing, too. On May 15th, his older brother, Boris, told Dr. Steve Apern that Malat was responsible for another shooting in 1962.
01:08:53
He shot a cab driver in the back because he wanted to rob him and ended up paralyzing him.
01:08:59
And that's a, they were just doing a special about that on TV recently. and that my friends is the story of ivan malatt the backpacker barbara
01:09:09
that sorry that's so long that's what he looked like while he was cutting his pinky off he's he's like come on i want a
01:09:22
playstation i'm only the worst fucking person in the world oh my god how did i not know that one
01:09:28
yeah it's so nuts i mean you just can't help it i don't want to police shame but they're like
01:09:34
why didn't this bye bye oh i didn't know i'm not sure why i didn't even give you a look i didn't
01:09:44
even i didn't even give you an old i'm gonna pick up my glasses she was like she's police shaving
01:09:48
again i'm getting sick of it this is a walkout it's just the thing of like why didn't they figure
01:09:54
oh put it together but they were the bodies weren't even found nobody knew it was just missing
01:09:59
and no details whatsoever. Plus there's the whole thing of, you know, the old school, like,
01:10:05
mindset of, like, well, if we start saying all these backpackers are missing, the tourist trade's
01:10:12
going to fucking die. That's exactly right. So maybe it's that these new cops came in
01:10:15
and were like, yeah, but we can't let people disappear. Well, I think the second they started finding bodies, that was
01:10:21
all over. They shut it down. Yeah, hopefully. Yeah. Well, no, that's what happened.
01:10:28
Yeah, but Yeah, hopefully. It's literally what happened. I just fucking told you.
01:10:34
I watched three specials about it. I'm an expert. That was such an in-your-face mint put in your mouth.
01:10:43
I've never seen anyone. But ding! The final word, mint. Oh, no, she put the mint in her mouth.
01:10:51
Can't tell you. The mints in. okay we are back from a very heavy story do you have updates i do actually in 2019 ivan malott
01:11:04
died in prison he was 74 and it was five months after he was diagnosed with terminal esophageal
01:11:11
and stomach cancer wow yeah his nephew alistair shipsey maintains that ivan malott was framed for
01:11:18
these murders and that his uncle's arrest happened. So Sidney would have a clear run to securing
01:11:24
the 2000 Olympics. Can you describe my face right now? You're pensive. A lot of doubt. A lot of
01:11:31
skepticism. Some Botox. So you can't see it. So not the full expression. Exactly. But what an
01:11:37
amazing forehead you have. Yeah. Well, we will say this. He spent 10 years, this nephew,
01:11:44
researching the murders and he published a book, Secrets of Belanglo, claiming this is the only true story of Ivan Malat.
01:11:53
But also, as we started this episode and we were talking about it, it's like, this is one of those true crime stories.
01:12:00
That's so awful. Like, I remember so many details from telling the story. Yeah, to get past those details and think that, yeah, it was a setup doesn't seem...
01:12:10
Not super likely. At the same time in 2021, a four-part docuseries called Ivan Malott Backpacker Murderer was released.
01:12:17
And that explored the idea that Malott could have had 20 additional victims. Wow.
01:12:23
Oh, I want to watch that. Yeah. So let's get into your story now about the brownout strangler, Edward Joseph Lonsky.
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You guys have some. When we went to Auckland, we were just like, well, we have two murders to choose from.
01:17:25
So I guess I'll take this one and you take that one. Yeah. Not here. No. Not the case whatsoever.
01:17:31
You guys, there's a reason we're going to be here for three nights in a row. Not because people want to see us, but because we just couldn't pick one.
01:17:41
The government's making us tell all the murders. Yeah, we're doing it. It's a social service.
01:17:45
You're welcome. Yeah. All right. Well, this one, this is the story of the only American man ever executed on Australian soil.
01:17:55
It the blackout strangler Oh Right right right Right right right That the correct
01:18:05
All right. Height of World War II. While Melbourne was sending soldiers overseas to fight,
01:18:11
they're like heroes and shit, and there's a brownout in order. So a brownout just means that, like,
01:18:17
there's a reduced availability of electrical power. So, like, at night, street lamps and car lights,
01:18:22
they're all, like, lowered. so the Japanese fighters can't bomb the shit out of you guys.
01:18:28
They're like, I don't see anything. Let's get out of here. Instead of being like, look at all those beautiful lights of Melbourne,
01:18:32
which is like a thing, you know? Yeah, they're known for their lights. They're known for their lights.
01:18:36
I think they call you guys the city of lights. Oh, I've heard of that. Yeah. Okay, so also a lot of employees,
01:18:45
employers were letting young women leave in daylight so they could get home safely before dark because, you know, dark.
01:18:52
but so a lot of u.s soldiers were stationed in melvin after the japanese attack on pearl harbor
01:18:59
so all these makeshift camps for american soldiers were popping up um and excuse me i forgot my tissue
01:19:04
i shouldn't have told you guys that here realize that now thank you i don't have to do with that
01:19:10
um wipe your nose with that bottle cap scrape my nose across it just dip it in and release
01:19:20
okay they're housed in military establishments called Camp Pell today it's known as Royal Park
01:19:30
May 3rd, 1942 you get ones like Royal Park? Royal Park oh sorry I just audienced you
01:19:47
essentially Royal! May 3, 1942, 40-year-old Ivy Violet McLeod was waiting for her tram.
01:19:57
Can you see I copied and pasted this from Australian articles? Waiting for her tram on Victoria Avenue in Albert Park around 2 a.m. when she's attacked.
01:20:08
You wooed it. And she's attacked. You've got to do it right away if you're going to do it.
01:20:15
Okay, her body was found by a hotel cleaner who was hosing down the footpath outside a hotel.
01:20:20
He saw an American soldier get up from a stooping position in a nearby shop doorway.
01:20:27
He was going to run after him but decided to try to help the woman, but it was too late.
01:20:32
Ivy was dead. She was partially naked, badly beaten, and strangled. Her purse was still in the area, so it was obvious that robbery wasn't the motive.
01:20:42
And witnesses said that they had seen her in the company of a U.S. soldier late the previous night.
01:20:47
We have a photo of her, and while that's up, I'm going to subtly wipe my nose on my dress.
01:20:55
Oh, how nice. Oh, my God. You're an angel. There's tissues happening at me. Oh, no, she has a knife.
01:21:01
What if she didn't give these to me? What if she just took the tissues and just...
01:21:05
She was just like, you should buy some of these. Thank you so much. This has happened before.
01:21:11
Security. That's every shirt that was at Dangerfields today. it's so true first thing i think of and i'm just like
01:21:19
karen for real so that's ivy mcleod um so so she is killed sorry sorry honey she looks like my grandma a week later let me bum you guys out more a week
01:21:35
later 31 year old pauline thompson she's a stenographer she's married to a policeman she's
01:21:41
a mother of two she strikes up a conversation with american soldier at a restaurant they go to
01:21:45
a bar after dinner to talk and they spent several hours talking and drinking. The next morning she's
01:21:52
found lying on the steps of her Spring Street home. Her clothes are in tatters. And okay so let's
01:22:00
there's a photo of her. This is Pauline Thompson. Okay ready for this creepy thing? In a Victorian
01:22:06
first police created a photograph. Police created a mannequin dressed in her clothes and put a
01:22:13
photograph over her face, hoping that a witness would come forward. Steven, put that nightmare up.
01:22:20
What? That's what that is? Yep. Look at our hands. It's mannequin hands. Holy fuck.
01:22:28
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what we're in it for, right? That's like crazy, awful, creepy.
01:22:37
Creepy. Hands. Look at the hands. Did it? did I ever tell you the story about when I was little and I was at the store with my dad and
01:22:45
he's like just don't touch anything yeah right which I could never do I was like five no you're
01:22:49
a child child and he would always take me to like hardware stores and stuff that didn't have candy
01:22:55
or toys or anything good yeah and I remember he went to get something and I just walked up there
01:23:00
was a mannequin wearing like a like a mechanics jumpsuit and I was just I just went like just like
01:23:07
my finger E.T. style touched the mannequin's hand and the whole arm came off of my hand.
01:23:13
And then I was just alone holding a mannequin arm like, shit, do I shove it back up?
01:23:20
And my dad came around the corner and he's like, Jesus Christ. Karen, you shouldn't be allowed
01:23:31
in retail shops anymore. You're real proud of yourself. And then you laid on the floor and fell asleep.
01:23:40
That's right. I was so drunk. The drunkest five-year-old ever. Okay, so they did that horribleness.
01:23:51
Yes, I don't want to turn back around. Poor mannequin. Good night everyone Have sweet dreams tonight Wait did it work though No Oh But you know people were like well we saw her with an American soldier the night before
01:24:06
So, but I don't know if any of it came directly from that. It just gave a lot of people nightmares.
01:24:10
So shortly after this, an American soldier admits to another soldier that he had killed
01:24:17
two women. This dude's name is Edward Joseph Lenowski. Yeah. and he's 24 years old.
01:24:26
He's a former New York grocery store clerk. He had broad shoulders and strong hands
01:24:31
and they had said by the looks of the way the guy had strangled women that he had large hands.
01:24:35
That was like one of the things they said about him. He was well liked by most who knew him,
01:24:40
although other American soldiers reported that he liked to drink heavily and that when he did,
01:24:44
he became particularly aggressive, especially towards women. A file described him as the soldier from hell
01:24:53
and he earned that notation after he attempted to strangle a young woman in San Antonio, Texas.
01:24:57
He was caught, charged with assault, but never prosecuted. Instead, the U.S. Army was like, send him to Melbourne.
01:25:03
Sorry, guys. Sorry about that. So he arrived on February 2nd, 1942, and that first murder happened on May 3rd of that year.
01:25:15
Wow. Yeah. So, okay, so he told his bro that I killed two women. This bro was like, turn yourself in, claim insanity.
01:25:28
Edward's like, nope. And the soldier's like, okay. And like, didn't turn him in.
01:25:32
So again, apologies, Melvin. He's like, well, I gave you the one suggestion I had.
01:25:40
That's all I got for it. I don't know what else could be done. I guess I'll see you in the mess tent.
01:25:45
Yeah. All right, so the final victim. Oh, let me show you a photo of this dude, Edward.
01:25:50
hey i'm gonna murder you that's him yeah they said that so he was a total alcoholic and a lot
01:26:00
of people like he was super fun and a lot of people like he attacked women but the ones who
01:26:03
said he was super fun one of the things they said he would do is like get super drunk and then get
01:26:07
up on the bar and walk across the bar in his hands like pheuerman style but on your hands
01:26:14
look at that crazy son of a bitch yeah his forehead is so low it's tiny it's too small
01:26:24
it's a small forehead someone with with a three head i would like to say his is a one and a half head that's true it barely is there yeah or is it just that dumb hair
01:26:36
It looks like both. Okay. I'm going to go both. My mom, his final victim, 40-year-old Gladys Hosking,
01:26:45
on May 18th while walking home from work in the chemistry lab at the University of Melbourne, which is like, what a badass,
01:26:53
she is caught in the rain. An American soldier offered to shelter her under an umbrella he was carrying.
01:27:01
It's our old friend Edward. Yeah. Yeah. He attacks her, he strangles her, and she's found inside the Royal Park boundary, not far from Camp Pell, just 350 meters from her boarding house.
01:27:15
In just over two weeks, from May 3rd to May 18th, 1942, three women had been killed by him.
01:27:22
So the murderer becomes known as the Brownout Strangler, because it's during a brownout and he strangles people.
01:27:28
I didn't need to explain that part. Steven, cut that out. It was actually symbolic of something else, but you wouldn't understand.
01:27:37
They called U.S. soldiers brownouts. That's what they called. Because they were total bummers.
01:27:42
Yeah. What a fucking brownout that guy was. Ew, I just licked the microphone on accident.
01:27:58
Does anyone have any hydrochloric acid? I'm just going to drink it. An Australian soldier, oh God, that was disgusting.
01:28:08
An Australian soldier told police. So, okay, so Gladys gets killed. Australian soldier tells police he saw a U.S. officer slipping under the Royal Park fence on the night of the murder.
01:28:20
He shines a torch. That's not what we call flashlights. So clearly I copied and pasted that.
01:28:28
In the guy's face, it was all muddy. he asked him why he's covered head to foot in yellow mud.
01:28:35
He's covered head to foot in yellow mud, which is like, what's that? No, no, it's mud and it's just yellow.
01:28:44
I don't know because it's wartime. I don't know. Because there's a brown out and so there's not enough brown to go into the mud?
01:28:53
What the hell? That's got to be it. Yellow mud? I don't know. I didn't look that part up.
01:29:02
I didn't even look out what meters means. So, clearly I was shopping all day. Okay, so the dude says to him,
01:29:13
I fell over in a pool of mud going across the park. That's like his excuse, and it's like, okay, go ahead.
01:29:19
They were good with it. Right. The description of this soldier, though, matches the individual.
01:29:24
Pauline Thompson was seen with the night of her murder, as well as a description given by several women
01:29:29
who had also survived recent attacks. So I guess he'd been fucking attacking women all over town.
01:29:34
People had been surviving. Yeah. So after days at Camp Hell, they're going from fucking soldier to soldier
01:29:41
being like, are you a murderer? Are you a murderer? Like interviewing people? I guess.
01:29:46
I don't know. I don't make that up. I bet that's how they did it. No, I bet that's how they did it.
01:29:50
Could have been. Police investigate. I think we have a photo of Gladys actually Did I already Yeah there she is Aww Right Look at that outfit That not why aww but okay Okay so they back in soldier to soldier
01:30:07
You, you, you, you, you. Police investors get to Edward Lonofsky's tent, and the yellow clay matching the crime scene is found on his tent, his shoes, and his bed.
01:30:16
So he's just flailing and jumping all over the fucking place, barely. It's so yellow. I hate yellow.
01:30:25
this okay then okay so he's arrested charged with the murders behind bars he confesses to
01:30:33
fucking everything um he tells investigators that he is a dr jekyll and mr hyde and his
01:30:41
motives for the killings was a fascination with female voices especially when they were singing
01:30:47
what yeah creepy so all those women had been singing well uh he says he claims that he killed
01:30:56
women to get at their voices quote oh no i know kind of like a little mermaid thing yeah
01:31:02
he was a fucking original sea witch he just sea witch he yeah he wanted to he wanted to yeah that guy's fucking stupid yeah crazy too yeah yeah
01:31:20
so he said uh about his second victim pauline thompson he said she was singing in my ear it
01:31:27
sounded as if she was singing for me she had a nice voice i grabbed her i don't know why
01:31:32
she stopped singing well because you grabbed her fucking idiot then the investigator was like
01:31:41
goodbye i'm gonna go to what's that i'm gonna go to the gap see you guys later can you imagine
01:31:48
hearing that saying someone saying that to you okay according to a psychologist who interviewed
01:31:53
edward during his trial he grew up in an abusive alcoholic family and one of his brothers had been
01:31:58
committed to a mental institution for life his mother had been overprotective and controlling
01:32:03
and i bet she fucking sang a lot i bet you know what i mean yeah i didn't say that but it's like
01:32:07
well clearly yeah um that's that's my um what's this profile of this murderer you've profiled it
01:32:14
his mom sang a lot yeah but she was like just the most horrible sound of all time so essentially i could show you right now what
01:32:24
that sounded like by just singing she put him into bed and she'd be like all right
01:32:29
sweet dreams i love you and here in the corners of mannequin with my face taped on it night night
01:32:46
edward night night edward i'm gonna go be an alcoholic which is also what she was and
01:32:53
she was overprotective controlling the ideal as you're shutting your child's bedroom door
01:33:00
good night i'm gonna go be an alcoholic you stay in here okay and stare at my mannequin face
01:33:08
that's a hard childhood right there um she had also been in a mental institution but she also
01:33:15
favored edward more than his other fucking crazy brothers so he got bullied by neighborhood kids
01:33:21
and called a mama's boy. According to the psychologist, he said, and you know, 40s and 50s psychologists were like,
01:33:29
well, and they were like, what? That doesn't make sense. Oedipus complex? No. Symbolic matricide.
01:33:36
And I was like, that sounds familiar. Our friend Ed Gein. Oh, yeah. Where you kill people because they're like,
01:33:42
it's my mom. And you're like, it's actually a woman you don't fucking know. They just want to kill their mama
01:33:47
over and over again. Exactly. Exactly. So because of the resentment and hatred of his mother.
01:33:54
Singing, bad singing is really irritating. This is why I don't, well, I do sing sometimes
01:33:58
and it's, yeah. Okay. During the trial, evidence was presented that indicated that Edward had possible
01:34:05
dual personalities. I just love the word dual. Dual. Dual personalities. The court heard that.
01:34:13
So, when the Manoski got drunk, his voice changes. He talks more like a girl. Uh-oh.
01:34:19
Says stuff about, this is a quote I wouldn't, He talks stuff about poltergeists, werewolves, demons, creepy stuff.
01:34:26
Talks himself a lot. Cool stuff. Yeah. He talks about the kind of stuff they have on the clothes at the, what's the story?
01:34:33
Dangerfields. At Dangerfields. God, that would have been good if I could have remembered that.
01:34:38
Talks himself a lot. Other times it was like he was talking to someone else. Maybe he was talking to someone else.
01:34:42
Yeah, he could have been talking to someone else. Although Edward Lamassi's crimes were committed on Australian soil,
01:34:48
the trial was conducted under American military law. Yeah, that's Mark Harmon style.
01:34:53
Yeah. NCIS baby. Yeah. I said, yeah, I don't know who that was. I've never watched that show.
01:35:01
They have. I want true crime. He confesses to the crimes, convicted and sentenced to death at a United States Army general court
01:35:10
marshal in July of 1942, but it's here in Australia. He's executed at Pentridge Prison.
01:35:17
Wow. You guys, you guys stay there sometimes? You love it? Is it the best present?
01:35:22
Yeah. Um. Oh, really? You can live in a prison? You can get breakfast there tomorrow.
01:35:34
You know, normally heckling makes me really mad. Yeah, me too. But that's my favorite thing anyone's ever yelled at me.
01:35:39
You can live there and you can get breakfast there. You can get breakfast there tomorrow.
01:35:46
She'll have the muesli, I'll have the beans on toast with a fried egg. Georgia loves a nice breakfast bean.
01:35:52
Oh, my God. You guys have really brought her over to the baked bean breakfast bean side.
01:35:55
Thank you so much for that. What's congee? Don't answer now. It's on every menu for breakfast, but it's like congee with, and I'm like, what could this be?
01:36:05
And then it's like with shrimp or grass. Congee's like a soup. Oh, is it? Or grass?
01:36:09
I don't know. Just random stuff where I'm like, I can't put together what this breakfast item might be.
01:36:15
There's a lot. It's not French toast, I know that. If it ain't muesli, she don't want to eat something.
01:36:21
Bucket. Okay. The precise details of his execution were... Wait, sorry, we had to eat breakfast at that prison now.
01:36:28
Obviously! Will you guys meet us there tomorrow? Yeah, we'll be there. They share time is over.
01:36:44
That poor girl. Is she crying? The one I just yelled at? I'm sorry. I can't do it.
01:36:49
I can't do it. That's a real mindfuck because we supported yours and we attacked you for yours.
01:36:53
I'm sorry. Now I feel so bad. No. Never look back. he so for some reason the details are a secret of how he got killed but the hangman had a fucking
01:37:06
journal which is like give me that to read tonight please yes immediately yes um and it says that he
01:37:11
was hanged right sorry why in the hangman's journal if they publish it like a book do you
01:37:18
think the inside flap of the picture of the author you'd have is you know what i mean what
01:37:24
You know, the hangman has to wear that thing on his face so you just don't know who he is.
01:37:29
Guess what? What? What's this? It's the hangman's journal. Are you kidding? No, put your glasses on.
01:37:35
Hold on, everybody. I wasn't being an asshole. I'm serious. I didn't mean it like that.
01:37:42
No, no. She can't see anything. I can't see shit. Wins and I were at the airport and you came and I was like, hey!
01:37:49
And I was like, oh wait, she can't see anything. I knew that you had to wait to get here before you could see me.
01:37:54
It's really funny because oftentimes I'll be walking toward people and I'll watch.
01:37:58
I know that thing is like a big wave. I'll see a movement like this and then I'll see the mouth get smaller and smaller where
01:38:05
it looks like I'm just icing someone as I'm walking. They're like, hey, Karen. I'm just like walking.
01:38:12
And then she goes, oh. Yeah. And I'm this close. I'm like, oh my God, hi, how are you?
01:38:17
And they're already sad. Sorry, this is like, the hangman's journal is like a fucking scrapbook.
01:38:23
That looks like a picture of a pelvis. It does. You can go read that somewhere around this town.
01:38:27
Okay. Yeah. Probably at this prison we're having brunch out tomorrow. Let's turn into brunch and I'll have a momo.
01:38:34
So, but he gave all the details of all the hangings? I think it was like a diary.
01:38:40
So, okay, so they think that he was hanged. But legend, I just burped, sorry. Legend also has it that the locals were permitted to provide the rope and gallows.
01:38:52
Isn't that cool? What? Like, the people were so fucking pissed off about this guy murdering their people
01:38:58
that they were like, here's the rope and here's the gallows. Hang that motherfucker.
01:39:04
Oh, they like built the gallows and were just like, they're basically like, look, we'll take care of everything.
01:39:09
You just get your hangman up here. Yeah, tell him to bring his diary because this one's going to be good.
01:39:13
Write this down. Yeah. we built the gallows so that's the story of Edward Lonoski the brown out
01:39:22
strangler thank you it's all you you did it we did it that was that was that was an American special that we brought over to you
01:39:36
you kill him we'll grill him hit Okay, we're back. Are there updates for this case?
01:39:46
There are no case updates, unfortunately. But every once in a while, we call up a person from the audience and get a really great hometown.
01:39:55
And this is a good example of that. So if you're thinking of coming up to do a hometown in the future, if we ever do live shows again.
01:40:01
Please compare yourself to the hometown greats that we've experienced in the past.
01:40:06
This one is, this is Rebecca. let's hear her hometown is it time for hometown murder?
01:40:16
it's time for a town hometown murder let's see is there a way we could get a little bit of light
01:40:21
so we can see if there's anyone that has a story they'd like to do you want to do it?
01:40:25
come on yeah Karen picks alright come over where Steven is I think that way probably
01:40:34
oh he's right there Hi, hi, hi. Don't trip. Don't fall down. Hello. Hello. Oh, look.
01:40:48
Look at her skirt. Hi, it's a dress. Are they falling all the way down? Careful.
01:40:55
You don't wear stay-up stockings. It's okay, guys. Wait. Look at it. This is... No, you guys have the cutest...
01:41:01
What are you doing? Stay in the forest. Don't get hurt. Stay out of the forest. Is this from Dangerfield This is so cute We acting like the one store we been to is the only store in Melbourne Is this from the one place we been to Yeah I heard you guys don have any others
01:41:21
What's, hi, what's her name? Hi, I'm Rebecca. Hi, Rebecca. Where are you from? Everyone will cheer for you.
01:41:26
Thank you. The Yarra Valley. All right. I knew it. Yeah. I knew it. Fuck yeah. What's her hometown?
01:41:34
Okay, so I have a few, but I'll just do one. If it's really good, you can do more.
01:41:39
Yeah. Or if it's really bad. Okay, go ahead. I won't use exact names because I still live next door to my mom.
01:41:46
So weird how you can't see anyone out there. That's so creepy. I know, right? No, I know.
01:41:51
It's better. It's better. Just look up into the light. This is days off. So basically, my mom and dad moved to Coldstream.
01:42:01
I don't know if you know Coldstream. Of course we know Coldstream. They know it.
01:42:05
Along the Maroondah Highway. So basically, high traffic area. and they start building this house and there's an old little barn out the back,
01:42:16
a little bit creepy, and basically where they're going to build the house, there's a big tree out the front, big cherry blossom, massive cherry blossom.
01:42:26
My dad's like, I really think I need to cut this down. Why? Well, where the house was going to be so they could keep the old barn.
01:42:34
Oh, right, okay. Yeah, yeah. So the neighbor comes over and he's this big, massive guy, big beard.
01:42:41
My dad's like a skinny kind of crocodile dundee. Oh, yeah, yeah, we know him, we know him.
01:42:46
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we have. He can shut the tree down with this big knife. Yeah, so you imagine this other guy that's massive and my dad's kind of skinny.
01:42:54
I don't get control problem. Anyway, this guy tells him, don't cut down the tree.
01:42:59
No matter what you do, do not cut down the tree. Oh, chill, dude. That's super chill.
01:43:03
Yeah, and so Dad's like, watch me. The next day it comes in with a backhoe, but the tree's been cut down
01:43:11
and there's a big hole right around the tree. Oh, no. This is really sus. Dad's like, what the hell's going on?
01:43:18
So anyway, pulls up the tree, talks to the guy next door. Doesn't know anything apparently, as you do.
01:43:25
And then so we build the house over the top where this tree was. Straight away, which ends up being my bedroom, might you?
01:43:32
no no there ends up being horrific hauntings so no yes so this is like sit down what happened everything so it starts off with my brother so he's first in the room so there's
01:43:49
10 years between my brother and i okay so my brother adam wakes up there's these horrible
01:43:54
horrific noises in the room basically this ghost likes musical instruments don't know if you'll believe in ghosts but anyway sure it doesn't matter my brother starts to learn
01:44:05
the guitar so you learn the recorder at primary school basically yeah then you go up to the guitar
01:44:10
so by grade six he's like master this guitar every night family wakes up to the guitar strumming oh
01:44:18
oh no no no yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so 10 years on i'm i'm just born basically and my dad liked
01:44:28
the ukulele so he would come in you guys just not have string instruments in your fucking house
01:44:33
anymore so basically what keeps happening is these horrible things keep happening in the in our family
01:44:39
things like you'd be in the shower and shampoo bottles would come down on you like one after
01:44:44
the other yeah yeah yeah yeah like creepy as fuck like petrifying shit right anyway so eventually
01:44:53
these things keep happening and I'm about four or five and I say to my mum, I feel like there's something wrong at the neighbours.
01:45:02
There's something really strange. I'm going to cry. But she said it and she was in a nightgown
01:45:06
and her hair was wet and her eyes were white. I don't know what's wrong. Something's wrong, mommy.
01:45:18
So basically, the next day, we're all sitting down for dinner and I actually sent you in this email as well about it.
01:45:25
We read it. We loved it. Yeah, totally. Loved it. So basically, the next day, we're all sitting down for dinner.
01:45:34
Police come raiding through our house. They come through our house. They're basically like, if you have somewhere safe to put the kids,
01:45:41
put the kids. So my brothers are older. We all went in the bathroom, stayed there.
01:45:45
What the fuck? Dad gets out his knife, literally. Yeah. That's not a knife. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:45:52
This is a knife. Yeah, it's like, you call that a knife? Yeah. And basically the police raid goes through our house
01:45:59
to the next door neighbours. They go through the back paddocks. We call them paddocks.
01:46:03
And then through the front of the house. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yep, yep.
01:46:07
Got it. And basically a body is found in their backyard. What? This is the big bearded guy's backyard.
01:46:14
Yeah, yeah, yeah, big, yeah, yeah, the freaky guy. Okay. Yeah. And there's other bones that are found on the premises as well.
01:46:21
they believed they were buried there was tree roots through it oh my god I know right it like ooh Then Oh my God Then a couple years pass
01:46:36
So the father's been put away. At this point, his daughter is about 19, 20. And a body has found a Coldstream tip.
01:46:47
She's almost decapitated. She's been injected with battery acid. Her body? Yep. Battery acid in a sleeping bag.
01:46:54
bound up with a phone cord when we used to actually have phone cords yeah yeah horrific
01:46:59
they can't move the body because this the daughter which they didn't know at the time her name's
01:47:06
Karen she yeah sure she has a thing where she always comes back to the body and every single
01:47:14
time they've missed her so they've moved the body and missed that chance of her coming back
01:47:18
and trying to bury it or get rid of evidence so they're like we've got to leave the body
01:47:23
so they're talking to the mother and they're like we can't move the body i'm so sorry
01:47:28
so it gets quite emotional the whole town is like this girl like we don't know the body's
01:47:33
being found we don't know anything about it's all top secret they haven't they heard of a mannequin
01:47:38
with a fucking picture tape on its face it's not the same she was anyway so basically karen comes
01:47:46
back with dynamite to blow up the body. Holy shit. And this is really quick. You're not a compulsive
01:47:53
liar. I just want to check. I don't care. It doesn't matter. This is like later on. She does
01:48:01
again with dynamite. She has a thing with dynamite. Okay. So this girl had been, it was a drug deal
01:48:06
gone wrong. Karen was a drug dealer and she had a house in Lulida. Wait, this is the daughter.
01:48:13
So Ian was a really bad guy that hid the body underneath where our house was and then had a body in the backyard.
01:48:21
And then Karen's the daughter who's in a almost, she's about 19, 20 by now. So basically drug deal's gone wrong.
01:48:28
She was living in Lillydale. She moved back in with her dad after this girl was killed.
01:48:33
Now she gets the dynamite, comes back to blow up this body. It's not a solution.
01:48:39
Yeah. So when she comes back, basically the cops jump on her. So she's done for. She's
01:48:46
arrested. Her boyfriend was waiting in the car. Now when she does her statement, so basically
01:48:53
she rats out her boyfriend, she got less time because she was making sandwiches in the kitchen
01:48:59
while they were torturing this girl for 48 hours. It's repulsive. Like that is just,
01:49:05
Yeah, so she got less time because of that. So disgusting. Yeah. So, yeah, I know, right?
01:49:12
And this is happening next door while you're growing up? Well, no, so the daughter, she was mostly living at Lilydale.
01:49:20
So she's doing all these drug deals and stuff like that. Whereas Ian had moved out, so just his wife was still there.
01:49:25
Okay, okay. Okay, so basically Karen then gets out of jail a few years later. Her boyfriend's still in jail.
01:49:32
she gets dynamite to blow out her boyfriend out of jail Karen there's other things in the world
01:49:41
Jesus Christ her mom's like would you do the dishes she's like yeah I've got the perfect solution
01:49:47
dynamite it's just what she does so she ends up going back into jail obviously he does more time
01:49:54
fast forward about I think it was about three or four years ago she ends up moving back in next door to my mom but it's okay she's a born-again christian
01:50:05
oh it's all right guys amen amen forgiven so good yeah jesus forgives it yeah yeah like all that
01:50:13
shit the decks are cleared the thing that like really fucked me jesus does love dynamite
01:50:20
loves it so in the end yeah my mom still lives next door to them Oh my God. Do you guys have them over for Christmas?
01:50:29
Yeah, like what's 4th of July like? Just really tense? They don't have that here.
01:50:34
Uh-oh. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, that's the story of the jewels. That was my last story.
01:50:49
Oh my God. That was amazing. Rebecca. You guys, Rebecca. Rebecca. Good job. That was amazing.
01:51:01
Wow. Top that. I mean. Oh, no. Don't fall. Spot her. She's dizzy. So are we. Okay.
01:51:16
So this episode was originally titled Live at the Comedy Theater. I think we can do better than that.
01:51:21
I know. For sure. Okay. if we were naming it today based on the episode maybe we would call it marmite we could also name
01:51:27
it paul onions yes we must he really became a legend and also one of the first nick terry videos
01:51:34
featured paul onions he got an onion head yeah that right and uh also me screaming leave paul onions alone because i think that when we started to realize enough people listen to us If we say something Can you imagine if people are trying to talk to him
01:51:50
or involve him in this podcast? Yeah. So we just started screaming, leave Paul Onions alone.
01:51:57
Paul Holes is fine. He's a public figure. He belongs to all of us. Yes. But he enjoys it.
01:52:01
Right. Let's just pick Paul Onions now. Yeah. Because he deserves it. He does. After everything he's been through, we've put him through.
01:52:08
All right. Well, thanks, you guys, for listening to another episode of Rewind from here in the Bahamas.
01:52:13
We're going to go back to Melbourne to say goodbye. Wow, you guys. That was very powerful.
01:52:23
That was super. A lot. It was a real journey for all of us. I believe in ghosts now.
01:52:29
I didn't believe in ghosts before. I don't know. Guitar playing ghosts. We're so scared.
01:52:33
I'm so scared. Gripping each other. It's also freezing up here. You guys, this has been such an amazing show.
01:52:38
Thank you. What a kickoff for this run tonight. Thank you so much. This has been, we're so excited to be in Australia.
01:52:47
You guys are so fucking nice. It's amazing. We're so happy to be here. We're so happy to be here.
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And of course, we just want you to stay sexy. And don't get nervous. Elvis, do you want a cookie?
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I got to tell you that I am a cachava user and believer. Same. Because it just gets it done for me in the morning.
01:56:36
Yeah. I get a baseline of nutrition and sustenance. You just have this drink that kind of coats your stomach.
01:56:42
Yeah. Before I start drinking a bunch of coffee. It's like this will take care of it.
01:56:46
Yeah. One and done. Treat yourself to the flavor and nutrition your body craves.
01:56:50
Go to cachava.com and use code MFM for 15% off. That's cachava, K-A-C-H-A-V-A dot com, code MFM.
01:56:58
Goodbye.