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Hello! And welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. That's right. It's Wednesday, and that means it's time for us to recap our old episodes with all new commentary, updates and insights.
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Today, we're using it, this episode, to recap episode 91, which we named Live at the Sony Theatre in Toronto from our live show in Toronto, Canada.
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This episode came out on October 19th, 2017. Okay, let's listen to the intro of episode 91.
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What's up Toronto? There, there, there, there, there. What's up, Toronto? There it is.
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There, there, there. The magic. My mic is here. My mic is here. My mic is here. My mic is here.
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For an hour and a half. That's all we're doing. That's the show. Yay. Comedy. Oh, my God.
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This is the biggest show we've ever done, you guys. Yeah. Good job. Fucking Canada representing big time.
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Pretty nice. We like you guys more than our own country right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Get us a green card or whatever it takes to live here. Please. Please don't make us go back.
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No, we're going to get detained if we say that. We're excited to be here. I don't know.
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Guys, can I just explain my outfit really quick? Everyone was wondering and waiting.
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I just, I got a job here at the theater two weeks ago. And I love pulling that curtain.
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It's just who I am. Here's what happened. When we were recently in Australia, I brought these high heels with me that took up all this room in my suitcase.
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And every day I scorned them and I hated them and I glared at them. And at the end of the 10-day trip, I left them on my hotel room bed.
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Like, fuck you. You're on your own in a foreign country, piece of shit. High heel shoes.
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They're on their way back to her right now. That's right. Like a sad journey. Yeah, they're like those cats that can walk all the way home and like their owners move
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500 miles away. 14 years later. Like, here I am, you son of a bitch. But I conveniently forgot that when I went to put all my things together for this trip.
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So I had my fancy, fancy dress last night. And then I realized when I got to the theater, I did not have shoes for a very, very fancy dress.
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And so Georgia's like, that's okay. You can wear that. And I'm like, thank God. This is actually what I want to wear.
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The thing is. Yeah. Let's hear it for theater blacks. They're so slimming. At least you can tell yourself that.
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I just made that up and I never took an improv class. No, I didn't either. Did you just know but me?
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Yep. And the thing is, it works for you because you're like, you're, you were goth.
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Anyways, when I had, when we decided to, when we decided to wear black to the shows, I had
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a like, all I have is like fucking paisley shit that like Mrs. Roper would wear and like
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crazy moo moo and like vintage things with moth holes in them so i was like i have to get a black
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dress i like literally owned one so now my closet's full of that but you and so you were like let's
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wear what we're wearing now and i just had a shirt on a gray shirt that said the husband did it yeah
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i mean i'm like i can't wear that what more would you want a show like this you also had a really
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good arthur fonzarelli leather jacket i was like this is a great look for us let's switch out of
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the fancy dress area. Yeah. I support it. Yeah. Well, I did. I do. I mean, I will.
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Thanks. I appreciate it. Yeah, that's a... But wait but there is a surprise because George dress has You guys are like Celine Dion It even better George dress has pockets Check it out
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Yes And i'm wearing and i'm like i'm blaming it on you, but i'm so fucking happy to be doing it
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The truth is to not wear my shitty shoes, uncomfortable dress shoes out here. Yeah.
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And wear my fucking stanky-ass slip-ons. Look at them. She bought the first pair of Toms.
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That's them right there on her feet. It's not. No children are helped with these shoes.
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You can tell I'm a bad person from across the room by the fact that I bought these shoes.
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Because you were like, I could buy Toms and support children. Ooh, look at these are on sale.
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Right. I don't like the way Toms go all the way up and they just don't look good on me
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so I'm getting these shitty ones and I'm a bad person guys here's the best thing that's happened
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I feel like since we've gone on tour today we pulled off the freeway driving up from Detroit
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Rock City thank you so much and and we stopped off in Dunham hen? They don't know it.
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Because Georgia had to pee. And there was no gas station right off the freeway, so we kind of had to drive
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into the city a little bit. The town. We'll call it a town. And we pulled over at what looked like a little
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corner grocery store, and Georgia jumps out. She's like, I'll be right back, and runs inside.
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I had to pee so bad. It was emergency levels. Yeah, I'm a baby. So then Vince and I are sitting in the minivan.
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Yeah, that's right. And he's like, I have to pee too. And I'm like, yeah, why aren't we getting out?
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I have to pee too. We get out and we go into the store. And this store is half the size of this stage.
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Okay. We start walking around. There's no bathroom in the store. And Georgia is not in the store.
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and it was 20 seconds max between the time that we went into the store and the time she went into
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the store and at first i was like don't be crazy you know like as i'm walking and she's not there
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and there's no sign that says restroom there's nothing and then as i came back this way i crossed
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an aisle and i saw vince walking this way which means we were both covering all of the store at
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the same time and she was not in the store and then i was just like this is how it fucking happens
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usually it's a baby or a small child but still it's happening you lost your georgia that we lost
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her in dunham it's hen turns out there was a door maybe that's what you couldn't see and i i did the
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thing where i was like not asking for permission because i've got a piece so bad and i know it's
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like one of those places where you're like this there's no way they're gonna let me even if I go
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it's an emergency you know try to be cute um like get really small yeah it's an emergency I'm seven
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I just I just saw I came in saw the door and fucking booked it through like what was obviously
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like the um storage area oh yeah and I was like these people who work here gotta be somewhere
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so I'm gonna be there too yeah and it was one of those things where it's like clearly this is not
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for customers because it hasn't been cleaned in 40 years. It's a mop in the corner while you're
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paying and stuff. I didn't give a fucking shit. Weirdly though, the toilet had a toilet seat
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warmer like attachment on it. Oh, those people know how to live. I know. Yeah. This is why they
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don't want anyone to use the bathroom. They don't want to know they're not spending the money on the
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floors. Yeah. They're like, they don't want other people in there because they're like,
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I need to go in there and have my time. Yeah. Just sit around on the toilet for a while. I was warm.
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just a moment of real I don't even have to pee I'm just gonna sit on the toilet and just really think about stuff warm my butt and so then I came out of the bathroom and Vince
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was like in the door knees he was like where were you like I was like oh my god was I gone for four
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hours like one of those things where it was like where did you go and I was like what and I came
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out and you were like what happened it was I was scared I was going through that thing where I'm
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like I mean it might be too early to panic but it would be fun to panic so maybe I should just get
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my speech ready that I've always had where I go up to the counter and I'm like, listen to me.
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My friend was in here 20 seconds ago and like really deliver that I am like the person who's
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lost a person's speech that I've always wanted to give my whole life. I need your help. Please call
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your local police authorities. Something like that. I was a little disappointed when you showed up.
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Sorry. oh she's back it's over in another dimension in a plane i didn't show up that's right
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you and vince came to the show and then i got taken down to the police station can munchausen by proxy mean if you like also just throw someone out in the middle of the
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wilderness i can't find her yes there's there's got to be stories like that there's i mean i guess
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a lot of them are like that. That's this podcast. Yeah. That's what this podcast is.
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That's what we do every week. Oh, by the way, this is the My Favorite Murder podcast.
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Thanks. This is, thank you, this is Georgia Hardstark. And that's Karen Kilgara.
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You guys are lucky because last night at the Detroit show, someone like brought the mitten murderinos they're called because this is a
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mitten I guess and this is where Detroit is and shit which I just think Vince points at random places on his hand when he telling me about where we are they brought us little flags And so the entire show last night was just flag themed because we couldn put the fucking flags down
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It was so much fun. I don't know the last time you've waved a tiny triangular flag.
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Not a rectangular one. Not anything about countries or nations or citizenship. Just a little triangle one that's just about like something you like.
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I'm telling you, do it as soon as you possibly can. I was out of my mind, filled with joy.
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I was just like, yeah. But it was only like this big. It was like that big. I'm telling you, during the whole show, we were both...
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That was the show. They didn't get a murder. They just got dancing with flags. In the middle of the show, as I was reading my very serious and horrifying murder,
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Georgia goes oh my god red flag and holds it up because it was a red flag she had just been like and he took out
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a life insurance policy and I was going to go red flag red flag red flag it was really exciting for me and no one else
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I love those moments when you realize other people are way smarter than you and you're just like yes
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I'm seven beats behind I love this I get what you did oh my god love it anyway guys
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apropos of nothing there was a very small Canadian Kit Kat in the dressing room and I just have to commend you
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do you appreciate it though? do you care as much as I do? because if you've ever had an American Kit Kat
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they're like having a small flat brown candle they suck shit compared to what you people are doing
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up here with the Kit Kat and I thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, they stopped having to worry
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about health care here. So they're like, you know what? Let's just make our chocolate really good.
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Once we get there, you guys, we're going to fucking give you a run for your money
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in the chocolate department. No, we're not. I never get there. Don't worry. We eat so much
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chocolate that we have to be hospitalized and it's free. That would be amazing. Yeah.
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Oh my God. If we're going to do it, we might as well do it here. Yeah. Tonight on stage.
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Right now. Right? Right. Right. Oh! Stephen's here! Oh, Stephen's here! Look at him!
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Look at him! Oh, baby! Look at him! Let the people look at you. Leave to the people!
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Yeah. Look at him. Drink it in, Stephen. Drink it in. What if, uh, what if I went,
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Oh, we left Stephen at the liquor store in the bathroom. We just left him on the side.
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Oh, Stephen. Um, hi. Hi. Thanks. Stephen, Stephen, have you ever in your life ever had
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3,000 people cheer for you at one time? Um, I'm... I'm gonna pee myself. Yeah. Okay, well, that's Stephen
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in a nutshell, everybody. He doesn't say that much. I've never seen him look that nervous before.
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I know, it's weird. He acts all shy. I know. I forget how easy to run out here fast.
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He was like, he was doing the like ready to go yeah what's it called ready to go he was down and he was up yeah and it was
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you know what's funny i just realized that steven was standing here because we we always give him
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lots of shit when he comes out here and also when he's not here it's super fun he's our whipping
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boy in every way he's the person who edits our show so he knows all the stuff that we demand get
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obviously that gets cut out of the show and there is very a very good chance that he's keeping all
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of the stuff that we want out. Don't say no, Stephen, because I know what you're like. I've seen that fucking mustache
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in action. I know what you're like. What if he has like a home computer just for the fucking bullshit?
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We've been like, oh my god, cut that out because there's so much of it. I'm like, I hate Bulgarians
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and he's like, here we fucking go. I'm going to end you. Gonna need this one day.
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We know. Oh man. Oh, I hope so. Yeah. I mean. if we're gonna get ruined by anyone
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and we're like you know it might as well be Steven it's gotta be that guy why not
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and then the purr cast is here next year yeah this whole stage is filled with cats
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people like shit like that speaking of cats my hair tonight is brought to you by
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Linda Bob's Burgers Bob's Burgers Bob's Burgers the new season's coming on tomorrow night everybody
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I don't work for them just a fan I don't even know them I guess we is it time? I think it's time
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it's time for us to sit down thank you I think it's hilarious that that actually is like
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an applause cue for you guys it's precious yeah any bit of extra clapping that we can milk out of you
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we absolutely will definitely Oh! Thank you. Our lifeblood is renewed. But we also realize there are people that get brought to these shows of ours who do
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not listen to the podcast. They're like, who the fuck was that millennial? Like what going on Yeah Someone like my best friend like you know broke up with me today Will you please come with me to the show I don want to go alone Yeah And they come and they like okay you like it You love comedy They like I seen two girls talking before
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I don't need that. I don't. Yeah. I didn't need a pass to go see that shit. So just so you guys know, this is a podcast about murder.
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Called My Favorite Murder. It's our favorite ones. but it's also a comedy podcast
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which can be a bit dicey so hold on to your butts everyone especially if your butt
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gets triggered really easily just be careful you got a trigger butt? itchy trigger butt
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it happens a lot all over this great country leading cause of hilarity okay we're back every time we record one of these rewind episodes i expect it to be closer to what
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year it is right now 2026 uh-huh and it's always so far in the past 2017 it's so far pre-covid even
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yeah oh my god yeah it's like we didn't even know how good we had it no like it was a glimmer in our
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I just wonder when the day will be when we're like, oh, that was just last year.
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It's just, will we ever catch up? I know. It's so nuts. Also, I know for a fact I do this, but I have so many great memories of doing shows in Toronto,
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but I've combined them all into one. Like the one visual, one kind of thing where I'm like, no, that was the first one.
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No, that was the second one. But always a great audience. Yeah. This is the one where you guys thought you lost me.
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Yes. Oh, my God. That was the dumbest. It was, what was it? Disappeared? It was like this episode of Disappeared?
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It was like, yeah, exactly. It was that Kurt Russell movie. Yes. Where all of a sudden his wife's gone and no one can help him.
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It was that feeling where the whole time I kept going, I know she's here. This is a stupid thing to like be worried about.
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But then it's like every minute that ticks by, you're like, is it? Well, that's weird. Is she not?
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I would watch a movie or a TV show where the best friend and husband are trying to find her.
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And, you know, I don't want to happen in real life. But my episode or by season three is, you know, will they, won't they?
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It's just kind of a. As they're waiting for the. As soon as. Oh, that'd be good.
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That's right. When the like she staggers in with a big branch in her hair. It's like, wait, what?
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Where have you been? she's living with a pack of coyotes. She's like, what have you done?
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A pack of coyotes, but it's only like 20 feet behind the gas station they were at.
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I just really had to pee. I panicked. I panicked and moved in. I had to pee so bad that I was getting angry at Vince and like it was somehow his fault that
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there wasn't a bathroom. Like because we were on the freeway, he was driving. And I just remember
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like, I know this is like not pointed in the right direction. Rarely is. But I'm so fucking
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pissed at him right now. Well, and also here's the thing. We were doing three different cities
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a weekend and driving from one to the other. It was above and beyond touring. It was touring to
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the max and we also were doing it. It never stopped. It started and never stopped. It was
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the traffic tour. It was nutso. There was so much Starbucks involved. Yes, there was. I ate so many
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of those egg bites that I can't eat them anymore. It was sous vide, for real. I'm like, oh, they're
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good because they're protein but no i know i never again never again no i think this was just a
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classic beautiful toronto show and we should get right into it don't you think yeah because
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you fucking surprised the audience with one of the biggest canadian fucking true crime stories of all
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time yeah which i think they i mean they like the obscure ones too but they love it when you the
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audience loves it when you're like here is your put you on the map story plus it was a make good
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for the bad way I told it the first time. Right, right. Yeah, you really came in hot with this one.
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Let's get into Karen's story about the Ken and Barbie murders perpetrated by Paul Granato and Carla Homolka.
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Do you want her so much? I think I go first. We did two shows last night in Detroit,
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and I went first, right? It's me, right, Stephen? We got a thumbs up from Stephen.
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Yeah. if Stephen says we go first. That's his name. Yeah. Stephen, one of the 3,000 people
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yelled your name. So, calm down. She wins this rug. She gets to take this rug home
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with her tonight. Oh. Guys, we brought this rug from home, just so you know. I get a little homesick
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when we travel, so I'd like to have something with me. Vince is one possibility,
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but I also like to have my rug. you know it's really high maintenance but i would love if like the this specific kind of
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assholes we're going to turn into if we do a lot of shows like this we're just like
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is the rug there yeah well then i'm not there how's that a lot of that kind of stuff yeah
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where's the rug the rug rehearsal was at 5 30 and no one was there we just have to say that these are the most comfortable and reasonably
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heighted chairs we've ever sat in speaking of getting into specifics you just we never know
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what the chair situation is gonna be like until we sit down i was positive my chair was gonna
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break last night i didn't want to say it at the theater because i didn't want to insult them in
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but there was this wobbly thing that I was like, this is gonna, and it was like such that I knew
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that I'd felt backwards. And they were high. Yes, they were very high. very high last night.
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We should start wearing helmets. Okay, but they have to be black. They have to be formal helmets.
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Formal. So, on to the murder part. Oh, right. Oh, shit, girl. Yeah, did you see it?
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I did. Okay, so... You're a sneaky piece. I can't help it if I have perfect vision.
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and you're a really good upside down reader this is a heavy hitter i'm sorry no no go ahead
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heavy hitters episode i think happy heavy hitter but it's also it's also apology makeup work for
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the city of toronto and the country of canada as a whole we owe you guys guys long long ago in 1968
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when we started this podcast and i thought it was kind of like i thought it was what we were
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talking about it to be when we first conceived of it, which was, hey, you and me all sit in your
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living room and we'll just like talk about serial killers and murder and true crime and stuff that
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we're kind of fascinated by casually conversation. And, um, very quickly relearned that that is
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absolutely not the way you can talk about true crime because you have to know years and cities
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and facts and dates and the truth is really important. It's a big part of it. Yeah.
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And I think it was around like the third episode. I. Thanks. They knew. They were ready to tell you.
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Because they're pissed. Oh. I did this one and I talked through it as if it happened to my neighbor.
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I was so young back then. the whole reason I wanted to do it is because I had one actually like one person away from one
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degree away story that I love to tell all the time and that's what I was building the whole
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concept around but like I didn't do any research at all and I remember some girl emailing or
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tweeting but she was just like that was horrible and then I was like yeah that was horrible you're
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Right. And then this whole time I've been saving it to come to Toronto to redo it.
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Because I felt bad. It was quite it was quite an awakening to realize that I just signed up for a podcast where I had to do a fucking book report every week.
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I guess not my jam as you can. Well, as you well know. But anyway, tonight I'm going to do the case of the schoolgirl killers, the Ken and Barbie killers, Paul Bernardo and Carla Homolta.
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For visitors, boyfriends, girlfriends, people who have never come before, we're not cheering for the murderers.
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We're not. It feels like we are. I understand why that would bother a person and maybe scare them to death.
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Uh-huh. That's not what's happening. At least with me. I shouldn't speak for everybody.
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All right. I got most of the research from this retelling of the factual story from the A&E series biography that they did on these murders,
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which is actually incredibly thorough. And they had a Scottish narrator, which I think is bold.
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Definitely. The Canadian guy was sick that day. the Canadian guide that they had for it
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well it was YouTube so it's international I guess unless they do only Canadian YouTube
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here like they that's the thing they don't tell you about Canada they fucking take over your YouTube
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and the internet like this site can't be seen Canadian sorry about that okay the other
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chunk of information or bunch of information that I got was I stumbled upon this amazing article on a website called the walrus um yeah it's so good that's a good one
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so a girl a woman named stacy may fowles wrote this she is from scarborough she was
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11 years old at the time that the scarborough rapist was at the height of like his reign of
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terror and she wrote a beautiful article that i highly recommend you go read called boy next door
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it's amazing it like i i cried at the end it was really fucking great um and it made me really happy
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and i stole stole stole okay okay so paul bernardo was born 1964 in scarborough ontario
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he was the youngest child to Kenneth and Marilyn Bernardo an unhappy couple isn't that how these always start
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I mean what couple that we know in these stories is happy or sober yeah his father would later
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face charges of being a peeping Tom and a pedophile and he also molested Paul's sister
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so bad things were happening from jump for paul um he also physically verbally abused his whole
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family and he often called his wife bitch and big fat cow um his mother was a depressive i wonder why
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and she'd also she'd often leave the family for the weekend and just go stay with her family
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and after a while um in this family things got so bad that she just went down and lived in the
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basement Whoa Yeah That how some people cope Just you go as low as you can Just get way down there by the Christmas decorations So dark
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It's just like, Mom, is there any milk? That's okay, I'll do it. I'll do it. So although Paul Bernardo was described as a happy child as a youth,
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he when he joined the boy scouts all the uh people the leaders noticed that he really loved
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starting fires that was his boy scout jam well aren't they supposed to start fires i mean
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i got scared for a minute but then i was like wait a minute but it's like you get your badge
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and then you don't need to start a whole bunch of other fires okay got it got it got it is the
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thing smart so uh 1981 when he was 16 um he found out that kenneth wasn't his biological father
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and he lost his shit obviously although in retrospect i would feel pretty good about it
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yeah that's a positive the peeping tom is not your dad quit crying everything's fine
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but of course he was 16 this had been his life it's like he founded his whole life was a lie so
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he was furious at his mother. He blamed his mother for the whole thing. Started calling her slut and whore.
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You know. And she started calling him bastard all the time. Just fucking good times Sunday to Sunday
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at the Bernardo's house. Come over for dinner. You're going to love it. Okay, so after he graduates
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from high school, he gets a job with Amway. Are you guys familiar with Amway? it's like a pyramid scheme it's weird they just send they sell a bunch of different shit but it's
00:31:47
like really the point is that you get more people that you know to come in and sell this weird like
00:31:52
laundry detergent and shit um just a pyramid scheme it's like karen have you noticed how
00:31:57
clean my shirt is i actually did notice that here at lunch like be with that one of us yes
00:32:03
I want my shirt to be that clean. They're really not that clean. But what he really picked up from working there was this,
00:32:15
what they call the polemic sales culture. Didn't look it up, not sure what it means.
00:32:22
But what I assume it means is pushy, pushy, pushy. Like they don't take no for an answer
00:32:27
and they kind of like get you from every direction. They're super manipulative. or it could mean casual.
00:32:34
Who knows? That's the joy of this podcast. It's all question mark-y. We have to stay true to some of our roots.
00:32:42
Yes. Or else it won't be the podcast you listen to. That's right. I had to leave one thing unresearched
00:32:49
just so you knew I was still mean. I gotta be mean. Okay. He starts using these sales techniques
00:32:57
to pick up women. um by the time he begins yeah because women love detergent um by the time he starts uh going to school at the university of toronto at scarborough
00:33:11
he is displaying sure go raccoons um he's displaying all the signs of being a psychopath uh charming outgoing life of the
00:33:30
party but also an incredibly sinister dark side that only a couple people know about
00:33:34
like his girlfriends who keep on breaking up with him all of his relationship like length time
00:33:40
lengths just keep getting shorter and shorter because women get go out with him and they're
00:33:44
just like, sorry, you're not allowed to call me a slut. I have only known you for three days. Okay,
00:33:49
we'll see you later. So he actually threatened to kill a couple of his girlfriends if they ever
00:33:57
told how abusive he was to them in their private life. He was fixated on conquering women. He
00:34:04
was just obsessed with picking them up, having sex with them, and then making them do whatever
00:34:08
he wanted. Um, all right. So that's Paul Bernardo in a nutshell. There's, I'm sure there's tons of
00:34:17
other things to say about it, but now Carla, this is because that obsession that he had making women
00:34:23
do whatever he wanted. That's where Carla Homolko comes into the scene. She was born in 1970 in
00:34:29
Port Credit, Ontario. Her father was a traveling salesman and an alcoholic, of course. Um, she had
00:34:35
two younger sisters, Lori and Tammy. Carla was also a bright student. Um, she was, uh, she,
00:34:44
oh, she, their father was drunk, was a drunk that would insult the whole family. And then he would
00:34:51
go down into the basement. Isn't that fucking weird? Yeah. What are the chances? Is that a thing
00:34:58
here they're like yeah no everyone's parents said that it's not it that's Canada that's where all
00:35:06
the Kit Kats are they just don't tell America don't tell the U.S. about us it's that what if
00:35:13
it's very healing to go into the basement it's actually very good for you they're just like
00:35:17
That's our secret. It's good for your skin. Okay, so... Also, when Carla's mother found out that her father was having an affair,
00:35:31
she told him it was fine and to invite the mistress in for a menage a trois. So there was a lot of bad relationship patterning for both of these people.
00:35:42
If I had a tiny red flag, I would check it right here. Here you go. It would be fun.
00:35:48
Okay. So she was described as a child as being stubborn domineering She was a rebel in high school She cut herself She would always claim that she was going to commit suicide to get attention She graduated in 1988 and she became a full
00:36:06
veterinary technician. Up until that last part, that was so me. So me. Okay. In May of 1987,
00:36:16
in Scarborough, a 21-year-old woman gets off the bus. She's followed by a man who was on the bus
00:36:23
as well. And, um, he comes up from behind, assaults her, and she ends up being the first
00:36:30
victim of the Scarborough rapist. Um, and over the next 13 months, these assaults continue and
00:36:37
they escalate very quickly. Um, the Scarborough rapist begins raping women orally, vaginally,
00:36:42
and anally cutting them or penetrating them with a knife. Um, he chokes them, he punches them in
00:36:49
the face. He stole one victim's ID, noted her home address, and then threatened to kill her family.
00:36:54
He broke another victim's arm. All the victims were attacked from behind, so none of them saw
00:37:00
his face, but they all described him as a tall, young man with light hair. While he was attacking
00:37:07
them, he made them call themselves degrading names, like slut and whore. So the police call in the FBI
00:37:17
immediately to profile this rapist, which is a great move. And they bring in FBI agent Greg
00:37:24
McCreary. You have seen this guy on every crime show there is. He is the guy, he's the FBI agent
00:37:30
with the gray hair who looks really tired of crime. Like he's like so fucking sick of people
00:37:37
being bad to each other. So like when he's explaining stuff, he's kind of quiet like this,
00:37:42
but he's just, he's kind of like man's inhumanity to man. That's what he's saying.
00:37:47
No matter what he's actually saying, that's just always what he's saying. I love Greg McCreary. Okay.
00:37:53
So, um, he does a profile on the rapist. He says, this is a sadistic rapist with a high
00:38:00
probability of escalation. Um, young in his early twenties, local, intelligent, high functioning
00:38:06
in a dependent living situation. So probably living with his family. So crazy that he was
00:38:11
able to determine all fucking yeah yeah they know all that shit it's crazy um fascinating and then a
00:38:17
psychopath obviously um so in april of 1988 um a 19 year old woman is attacked after getting off
00:38:24
the bus she was actually pulled between two houses and raped and yelled for help and the people in
00:38:31
the house has heard her and didn't respond no guys yeah that's not how we that's not how we do it
00:38:36
No. So the next month, the total number of known Scarborough rapist victims had risen to seven.
00:38:43
So this is a little bit crazy. Constable Vic Clark told the press, quote, don't expect people to watch out for you if you happen to come back at 1 a.m. in the morning off the bus.
00:38:57
Like the police? Right. Like the police. He said, it'd be nice to think that you can go anywhere you like nowadays, but don't put yourself in a vulnerable position.
00:39:07
Hold on. Hold your hate because the same month, Alderman John Mackey proposed a curfew for women.
00:39:16
Oh. For women. Finally. Get him out the street. We've been waiting. We told what time we're safe.
00:39:27
just the logic there is yeah you're you're curfewing the gender that is not raping anybody okay
00:39:35
no no no come on come on in a refreshing turn the toronto transit commission instituted its request stop program
00:39:50
right so which meant that women who rode the bus at night could tell the bus driver you can
00:39:56
dropped me right here in front of my fucking house and you didn't have to wait till the next
00:39:59
bus stop so that women could get delivered exactly to where they needed to be that's
00:40:05
that's what you do that's problem solving right there moving here immediately um okay october 17th 1987 carla homolka is now age 17 and she meets paul bernardo age 23 in a
00:40:21
hotel restaurant in scarborough two hours later they're having sex in her hotel room
00:40:26
um which no judgment hey look yeah if there were anybody else we'd be into it the friends who were with both of them that day said that the chemistry was palpable like it was
00:40:39
in the air and like it always is when two psychopaths meet and fall in love so do steven
00:40:45
will you put up that first picture of the happy couple barbie and ken look at those warm welcoming
00:40:51
eyes on both of them. They're just... Wouldn't you love to sit in a hotel restaurant
00:40:57
and stare across at her satanic satanic eyes and then his whatever they're doing eyes?
00:41:07
And his tiny, tiny teeth with a fake smile surrounding them. He's like, this is what humans do
00:41:14
when cameras come out. This is it. Happiness. Yes. Well, Carla's family thinks that Pao Bernardo is great.
00:41:25
They don't mind the age difference. Her parents don't mind the age difference. He's smart, good looking.
00:41:29
He's trained to be an accountant. Her sisters think of him as the brother they never had.
00:41:35
Soon he's coming to her. She still lives with her parents. And soon he's driving to her house like a couple times a week.
00:41:45
I think it was an 80-mile drive from Scarborough to St. Catharines, which is where she lived.
00:41:51
She brags to her friends about how mature her 23 year old boyfriend is. Within a year she confiding to them that he has become verbally abusive to her Oh fuck But she always forgives him December 24th 1989 they take a trip to Niagara Falls and they get engaged
00:42:08
Did someone applaud? No. I think someone took their compact out of their purse. Because they have something in their eye.
00:42:16
They're like, I love love and I don't care. She's like one snap. And she's just like, shit.
00:42:31
Okay, so they plan to marry in spring of 1991. The family's thrilled. In May of 1990, just six months later,
00:42:39
the Scarborough police release a composite sketch of the Scarborough rapist based on all of the victims
00:42:45
telling the police sketch artist. So can we see that composite sketch? Oh, I'm so excited.
00:42:51
Steven, I wish you would have cropped that up a little higher. Fucking... Why do we pay you?
00:43:01
Oh my God, he left. He ripped off his mustache and left. He looks like he's in the style council.
00:43:13
He looks... Can I add another one? Yeah. He looks like when you walk by a cheap hair salon
00:43:19
and they have photos in the windows of what people... Yeah. This is the... They called this girl a little rapist.
00:43:25
I hate to say it out loud, but I love this girl, bro, rapist look. Is it wrong? I think the sweep over would look great on my giant forehead.
00:43:37
Okay. Well, here's what's crazy is Paul Bernardo's friends and his coworkers see this,
00:43:45
and they're like, ring, ring, ring, 911, or whatever it is in Canada. Hello. Get me the fucking police right now.
00:43:52
Shut up. A ton of people that he worked with and that were friends with him called the police and were like, that's Paul Bernardo.
00:43:57
And can we do the side-by-side comparison? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, shit. I don't see it.
00:44:05
No, I'm just kidding. Fuck, man. Okay. So the police bring him in for an interview.
00:44:11
He's polite, he's charming, and he's calm like any good psychopath would be. He volunteers his DNA.
00:44:17
What? What? It can't be you. um they collect hair blood and saliva samples that are sent to the lab where they will sit
00:44:24
for two years i don't like that it's 1990 um okay so then he moves in with carla uh and her parents
00:44:33
in saint catherine's and suddenly the scarborough rapes stop that's crazy um he tells carla that um
00:44:41
so this is this is where it gets i mean we knew this was going to happen but this is so fucked so
00:44:47
he tells Carla that she can't give him the one thing he really wants, which is her virginity,
00:44:54
because she already gave that away. So she can still give it to him just through the person
00:45:05
closest to her, her 15-year-old sister, Tammy. And Carla agrees. So on December 23rd, after the
00:45:14
whole rest of the family goes to bed paul and carla invite tammy to stay up with them after the
00:45:18
um and carla has crushed sleeping pills and animal tranquilizers um that she stole from her job
00:45:26
oh my god as a vet yeah it's so dark yeah um into her drink she loses consciousness
00:45:33
um carla puts a rag soaked with the drug halothene over her face paul rapes her when paul is done
00:45:41
he tells Carla he wants her to rape her. She does. All of it is on videotape. So in the middle of that,
00:45:53
Tammy begins to vomit and then choke on her own vomit. And Paul and Carla Rush put her clothes
00:46:00
back on her and then call an ambulance. In the early hours of December 24th, 1990, Tammy Homolka
00:46:07
is pronounced dead. And aside from the mysterious burn marks on her face, which Carla and Paul say must have been rug burns,
00:46:15
her death is ruled an accident. A month later, Paul and Carla move out of her parents' house
00:46:21
in St. Catharines. They move into a two-story house in Port DeLucey. I did it right?
00:46:29
Good job. Thank you. Because I spelled it, it looks like DeLuisey kind of a little bit.
00:46:35
You just went for it? I really did. I'm proud of you. Thank you so much. It was really fucking scary.
00:46:41
No, it's terrifying. There's so many people here right now. Like, you guys made us share, not you guys,
00:46:46
but this podcast has made us scared of saying places in this world. We never say it right, ever.
00:46:51
I mean, I guess it's not your fault. It's our fault, but... Still, it's your fault.
00:46:57
Okay, when they're in their own house, he starts physically abusing Carla. And then when she threatens to leave him,
00:47:04
he reminds her he has a videotape of her killing her own sister and so she has to stay. June 15th,
00:47:11
1991, Paul wakes Carla up in the middle of the night to tell her he has a surprise. He has kidnapped
00:47:18
14-year-old Leslie Mahaffey out of her own backyard. So this is super fucked. Leslie had
00:47:23
gone out for the day. I think I read something where it said that she was at a friend's funeral
00:47:27
and then she stayed out past her curfew. So she probably like if her friend died, she got drunk
00:47:33
with her friends or something. And when she got home, it was past her curfew. Her parents locked her out of the house.
00:47:39
So she went into the backyard and that's when Paul Bernardo saw her and he lured her into his car with a cigarette,
00:47:48
offering her a cigarette. She was like, sure. And then he ends up kidnapping her and taking her to the house.
00:47:54
Paul and Carla videotaped themselves raping and torturing Leslie for 24 hours, then strangle her.
00:48:00
her, cut up her body, encase it in cement, and dump it in Lake Gibson. Fuck. Two weeks later, on June 29th, 1991, two fishermen spot some strange blocks in the lake as they're
00:48:11
fishing. When they look closer, they see the human flesh is sticking out of the cement.
00:48:17
It's the body of Leslie Mahaffey. On the same day that her body is found, Paul Bernardo and Carla Homolka get married in a
00:48:26
catholic church in niagara on the lake in front of a hundred friends and family members
00:48:31
when in the special that i was watching when it switched from that to the video of their
00:48:37
fucking fucked up early 90s wedding it like the version of chills i got word like this is
00:48:45
insanity these are people who are completely cut off from any reality of what they're doing it was
00:48:50
it's horrifying and the hair and the dress was so ugly. I'm sure that was part of it, but okay.
00:49:02
Now Paul starts telling Carla that he wants her to invite Tammy's friends over to the house
00:49:09
so that he can do the same thing to Tammy's friends and she does. So they start drugging
00:49:16
these girls that were friends with her sister. And a lot of these girls had no memory of anything
00:49:21
happening. They only found out after the videotapes were found. And then they were informed that that
00:49:27
had happened to them. Oh my God. Yeah. Couldn't be darker. Um, okay. On April 16th, uh, 1992,
00:49:36
Paul and Carla are driving around looking for a new victim. They're just full on fucking predators.
00:49:41
Um, they see a 15 year old girl named Christian French who's walking home from school. They pull
00:49:45
into a church parking lot. Carla gets out holding a map. And then, uh, when Kristen walks by, she
00:49:51
waves her like, sorry, I need to know directions. And they pull her into the car and kidnap her.
00:49:58
Um, but this time there's witnesses. So people saw, people actually saw Kristen get taken,
00:50:04
but when they reported to the police, multiple people say that it was a beige Camaro. Um,
00:50:10
So immediately the police realize a girl's been kidnapped. A girl's body has just been found.
00:50:17
We've got something serious happening. They put together what they call the Green Ribbon Task Force,
00:50:22
dedicated to figuring out what the fuck is going on. And the Green River Task Force puts up this billboard immediately.
00:50:30
Have you seen this car? Wanted in the abduction of Kristen French. And there's the Green Ribbon Hotline.
00:50:37
The only problem was that Paul Bernardo drove a gold Nissan. He did not drive a beige Camaro.
00:50:44
So it was a huge mislead. On April 30th, 1992, Kristen's body is found in a ditch in Burlington.
00:50:55
She's clearly been tortured. Her hair has been cut off. Then the violence within the marriage begins to escalate.
00:51:03
On January 5th, 1993, Carla goes to the emergency room. He is, uh, Paul's beaten her with a flashlight.
00:51:09
She has two black eyes that go from like here to here and they're dark purple. Um, she has broken ribs, extreme bruising.
00:51:18
Um, before she leaves the house to go to the emergency room, uh, she tries to go find the
00:51:24
videotapes and she can't find them anywhere. Um, 20 days later, January 25th, 1993, the DNA samples come back that Bernardo had given
00:51:34
to the scarborough police and they match the dna of the scarborough rapist so the toronto police
00:51:41
um bring carla in to talk to her because they know yeah you talk to the wife you know like
00:51:46
basically they have to break the news to her and then try to get information and it's our boy
00:51:51
fbi agent greg mccrary who leads the interview um well the the degree brimman task force
00:51:59
did was there too and they did the interview and they knew everything that was going on they knew
00:52:03
So they didn't accuse her of anything. They were more talking to her like they were being understanding
00:52:08
and just basically trying to get information out of her. So basically once she talks to the police,
00:52:14
she kind of knows that they're closing in on them. So she goes to an uncle and she confesses everything.
00:52:20
She tells the uncle everything that they've done. And the uncle says, you have to get a lawyer right now.
00:52:26
So she tells the lawyer, you have to get me full immunity for my, I'll testify against my husband, but you have to give me immunity.
00:52:38
So then she ends up making a full confession saying that Paul is the Scarborough rapist,
00:52:42
that he's responsible for the murders of Kristen French, Leslie Mahaffey, and her sister Tammy,
00:52:47
and that she was forced to participate in all of it against her will. And then she says all the proof they need is in their house on those videotapes if they just find them.
00:52:56
So on February 19th, 1993, a search warrant is executed in Bernardo home. It's a 71-day search.
00:53:05
What the fuck? Yeah, they just kept looking because they couldn't fucking find these videotapes anywhere.
00:53:13
And they ended up not being able to find them in the house. So without evidence, without that kind of evidence, they only have Carla's testimony.
00:53:22
so they have to plea bargain with her because they need her testimony. So she agrees to testify against him in exchange for a reduced sentence.
00:53:33
The whole deal was kept secret from the public to ensure a fair trial for Paul Bernardo.
00:53:40
So reporters were allowed in the courtroom the day of her sentencing, but they were only allowed, it was a publicity ban they were called,
00:53:48
they called it, and they were only allowed to report on what the charges were and what the sentence was.
00:53:52
They weren't allowed to report on anything else that happened. Wow why So of course this made all the press go crazy of like how bad is this This must be the worst thing ever because they never do stuff like this
00:54:05
So in July of 1993, Carla Homolka pleads guilty to two counts of manslaughter. And she receives two 12-year sentences to be served concurrently.
00:54:16
No. That was her deal. She's sent to Kingston prison. And then soon after, she files for divorce.
00:54:22
uh september right yeah like at this point don't worry about it cut bait baby yeah get out
00:54:31
her lawyer's like i'm not also doing that yeah you can't pay me enough she's like hey every psychopath for themselves i don't have a conscience
00:54:42
so i don't care about you my husband okay so um in september 1994 paul bernardo's lawyer quits
00:54:50
he's not going to represent him anymore that's how bad it was well it turns out that the reason that the cops
00:54:56
couldn't find those videotapes inside their house is because Paul Bernardo's lawyer had gone into the house
00:55:03
and taken them out no! yeah they were hidden up in just for future use if you ever are looking for anything or need to hide
00:55:10
anything they were upstairs in a bathroom ceiling light fixture like hidden up above
00:55:16
what a dick yeah the lawyer dick lawyer but then when he quit he gave the tapes to the next lawyer
00:55:24
who was representing paul bernardo and that guy's like yeah i'm gonna go ahead and give these to the
00:55:28
cops the law i mean right yeah let me just say this though not right away really like two weeks
00:55:40
later oh like thought about it i i mean i don't know i slept on it i mean for two weeks he thought
00:55:46
about it and then he was like oh i don't want to be the devil like the rest of these people
00:55:49
um okay so uh may 18th 1995 paul bernardo's trial begins oh sorry so once the police have the tapes
00:55:59
they have to look at them they see what's on them and they realize that her story of paul being
00:56:06
fully responsible for everything is a total fucking lie and that she was happily participating in all
00:56:11
of it in as coldly and horribly as he was and that yes she was clearly an abused wife but still
00:56:20
on the videotape didn't seem to be having a problem with any of it and they then realized
00:56:26
that they they called it the deal with the devil where they just basically they they'd given her
00:56:31
the easiest way out and she was just as guilty as he was um according to the videotape which
00:56:38
you know is pretty objective okay um so may 18th 1995 paul bernardo's trial begins the defense
00:56:46
claims that carla was the one who turned paul into a murderer he was just a plain rapist before
00:56:50
but she she fucking yoko ono that shit she got in there and she fucked it up and she should have a curfew
00:57:00
but then carla gives her testimony um and then on september 1st 1995 the jury deliberates for
00:57:11
eight hours and then finds paul bernardo guilty of all nine charges against him including two
00:57:16
counts of first degree murder um yeah he's sentenced to life in prison without the possibility
00:57:23
of parole for 25 years. No, that's not long enough. 1995. No. Do a little math. I can't.
00:57:32
Okay. But soon. Okay. He was also a couple months later declared a dangerous offender, which meant
00:57:39
that he would likely spend the rest of his life in jail. Don't clap so fast. In 2001, an Ontario court
00:57:49
ordered that all evidence from the Paul Bernardo Carla Homolka cases be destroyed.
00:57:56
So Leslie Mahaffey and Kristen French's parents and a bunch of the officers and the detectives that worked on the case
00:58:03
went down and witnessed all of the pictures and all of the videotape and all of the evidence from the entire case
00:58:10
watched it all get destroyed. Yeah. Which makes me very happy. In 2005, 35-year-old Carla Homolka
00:58:18
was released from prison after serving a 12-year sentence. What the fuck? Don't it feels like you're booing us.
00:58:29
She moved to Montreal. She changed her name to Leanne Teal. Oh, we know who she is?
00:58:34
Leanne Teal. That's what I would have changed my name to if I had to move away. Sure.
00:58:40
Because Teal's a great color and Leanne is a name no one uses anymore. She got married and in 2007 she had a baby.
00:58:48
No, no, no. No, no, no. It was recently discovered that she was volunteering at her child's school.
00:58:56
And in June, that school just released a statement, not naming any names, but saying that they do not allow anyone with a criminal record on their property.
00:59:08
So she no longer volunteers for her child's school. Oh, do we have that? Stephen, do you have that picture of this is modern day?
00:59:15
Oh, shit. That's her at the school. Did everyone like recognize her and know who she was?
00:59:21
I think there's people out there that are like, excuse me. I know who she is. Like, I don't, there's, she couldn't move back to her hometown,
00:59:28
which is what she was going to do when she first got out of jail. So she had to move to Montreal.
00:59:32
What a monster. I mean, not that, I'm sure it's great. I love French people, but yeah.
00:59:37
She had to move to Montreal. She had to. FBI profiler, Greg McCreary believes Carla Homolka
00:59:44
may have been more psychopathic than Paul Bernardo. Being that she was able to live with the murder of her
00:59:52
own sister. I mean you can compare psychopathy I don think but I like the idea that he was like you know something to think about And the whole time I was it that thing where you like well when battered women aren you know you have battered spouse syndrome you in that situation what would you do
01:00:10
Or what would you be forced to do or whatever? Then I read this piece of information that I thought was pretty bone chilling.
01:00:17
when Carla Homolka was questioned and fingerprinted by the police, they noticed that she was wearing a Mickey Mouse watch
01:00:25
that looked a lot like the one Kristen French was wearing when she disappeared. Just in case you had any worries about Carla, that she was being persecuted.
01:00:37
I don't think if you were in that situation that you'd just be like, oh, a trophy.
01:00:43
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Fuck, fuck. My hands hurt because I'm gripping this microphone so tightly because I'm like, oh my God.
01:00:51
Sorry, it's almost over. No, no, no. I've said it in a good way. That's not a bad thing.
01:00:55
In 2017, Paul Bernardo, that's this year. So he has served 22 years of his sentence already, which means that they're now starting to discuss parole issues.
01:01:10
despite being declared a dangerous offender he is in 2018 or no, this year he's eligible for day parole
01:01:19
which means you get to leave jail and then come back in the evening no, that's not how prison works
01:01:26
well everyone the hearing was supposed to be in August and they pushed it to October
01:01:33
and it's happening on the stage right now ladies and gentlemen let's all get up on stage and murder him
01:01:42
we just we cause a fucking canadian riot like you wouldn't believe that would be the most badass
01:01:51
move of all time yeah paul bernardo's hearing uh will likely take place at the milhaven institute
01:01:58
in bath which is near kingston which is where he has been serving his life sentence he is eligible
01:02:05
for full parole in 2018. So we'll see how it goes. You guys, don't do it. Please don't do it.
01:02:12
Who here is deciding? Okay, so I just want to read you the final paragraph of Stacy May Fowle's article
01:02:19
because I loved it so much. It's this, quote, I came across a story that ran in the Star,
01:02:26
published soon after the trial concluded, which argued that Bernardo was not the monster
01:02:30
we wanted to believe him to be, but rather one of us. A product of our culture, a man groomed with a pervasive, violent hatred of women.
01:02:39
Mary Lou McPhaedron, a women's rights advocate, spoke of the insidious impact Bernardo had on our community,
01:02:47
that he had created an ambient trauma, even for those who had not been directly victimized by him.
01:02:52
It is a wound that will probably never heal. The Bernardo case has been played out as a titillating drama, she said, and we fail to understand what it's done to us.
01:03:02
Wow. That's it. So fucked up. Really terrible. You made up for episode three, I think.
01:03:15
I can't say sorry anymore than what I just did. That's all I can do. Let's, um...
01:03:20
No, that's it. Let's go back to episode three. Steven, take this note. Take out Karen's story and put this in, just out of the blue.
01:03:31
Wait, can I retell the whole reason I told that story in the first place? That story of my friends?
01:03:36
Oh, yeah, I don't remember. Is this like, this one last thing? Ooh, because your hands are so cold.
01:03:42
And dry. No, I forgot. It's very fast. Okay. My friend, so Paul Greenberg, who was on a sketch show called The Vacant Lot.
01:03:52
You should know him and love him. He is from here. Hilarious man. Now he lives in Los Angeles.
01:03:57
You might hate him because of that. anyhow he's the one that told me the story his mother was an artist and she lived in a high-rise
01:04:04
apartment building that a pool at the it on the roof and she she lived in scarborough at the time
01:04:09
that all these things were going on uh in the beginning of it not the not the couple's uh
01:04:15
school girl killer time in the scarborough rapist time she goes up on to swim one day
01:04:19
it's daytime there's nobody up there and she's doing laps she is um i believe at the time she
01:04:25
was in her late 60s or early 70s. She's doing laps in the pool and a young man comes out onto the
01:04:31
roof as well. She doesn't really pay attention. She's just doing her laps. And then she finally
01:04:35
looks up and realizes he's just standing at the end of the pool, staring at her. And as she's doing
01:04:41
her laps, it's like he's just standing over her watching her swim. And she is super freaked out
01:04:47
by it and really scared. And it's getting to the point he starts walking along the side of the pool
01:04:53
as she swims uh-huh and so she's shitting and it's not the way she would tell the story i'm sure
01:05:03
until the fucking roof door bursts open and like three families with kids run out and she's like
01:05:10
whoo i'm out of here okay so she goes right back down to her apartment and sketches his face
01:05:16
because she's like, uh-uh. Well, when that Scarborough Rapist picture came out, she went and pulled the sketch out and showed Paul,
01:05:26
and she's like, that's the man that was on the roof, and it was the exact same guy.
01:05:30
Oh, my God. Yeah. Chills. I know. I love a first-hander. I'm sorry. I love a first-hander.
01:05:38
Absolutely. It's the best. Great job. Thank you. That's okay. Too much. There's too much clapping.
01:05:45
it's too much clapping it went from us needing it and loving it and making up for a lot of love we lost as children to just being a little too much The clapping To ruining our own clapping
01:06:05
Okay, we are back. Karen, do you have any updates? There are some updates. Paul Bernardo has applied for parole three times, October 2018, June 2021, and November 2024.
01:06:17
He's been denied all three times. During his last hearing, members from both Leslie and Kristen's families spoke.
01:06:23
liberation only took 30 minutes. He's 60 years old. In November of 2023, he was moved from
01:06:30
Millhaven to Macaza, which is a medium security prison. Of course, there was backlash. I mean,
01:06:36
this man is one of the worst serial rapists of all time. What's the need to move him to a medium
01:06:41
security prison? No. He's 90. He's 60 years old. Right. 60. Yeah, exactly. So then there was a
01:06:48
probe into this transfer in March of 2024 after members of Parliament learned that the correctional
01:06:54
facility had a hockey rink, a tennis court, and weight rooms for its inmates. The Commissioner
01:07:00
of Correctional Service of Canada, Ann Kelly, said the transfer was sound, but it still left people
01:07:05
with questions about, quote, sadistic murderers being left to enjoy freedoms and luxuries of lower
01:07:10
security prisons. Yeah, bro. I'm sorry. No fucking hockey if you're a serial killer. Like,
01:07:17
And this man who is so particularly craven and like he was a serial rapist and then he became a serial killer.
01:07:25
He is an example of how bad it can be if you don't tend to these people in some way.
01:07:31
And you're going to be like, yep, let's transfer him to medium security. And if I lived in that town where the medium security person was, I would be terrified.
01:07:40
He is still a threat. Yeah. You know, like it's just I can't imagine. It's so crazy.
01:07:45
I still boggles my mind that she's just disappeared into society. You know, like that boggles my mind, too.
01:07:52
But what are you going to do? Yeah. OK, you know what we're going to do? We're going to get into your story about the trial of Stephen Trescott.
01:07:59
This is the story of the murder of Lynn Harper by, and this case of Stephen Truscott.
01:08:18
Truscott. Truscott. Thank you. Sorry. I'm nerf. Okay. What is it? Truscott. Truscott.
01:08:26
Truscott. The podcast I listen to. Thank you, guys. All right. So on the evening, June 9th, 1959, small town of Clinton.
01:08:38
Represent. Represent Clinton always. Yeah. We love Clinton. We love it. Located near Lake Huron, about 200 kilometers.
01:08:47
Uh-huh. How far is that? I fucking don't know. No idea. It's 200 kilometers. West of Toronto, the parents of 12-year-old Cheryl Lynn,
01:09:05
so we're going to call her Lynn Harper, began to worry when their daughter didn't come home
01:09:08
after her girl guides meeting. Around 11.20 that night, her father, who's an officer on the Clinton base, reported her missing.
01:09:16
It's like a base town. Earlier that evening, around 7 p.m., Stephen Truscott, Truscott, fuck.
01:09:25
Stephen is Lynn's 14-year-old classmate. He'd given Lynn a ride home on the handlebars of his bicycle.
01:09:35
Not home, sorry. He'd given Lynn a ride on the handlebars of his bicycle. And he's questioned by police because he was the last person to see her alive.
01:09:42
And he said he took her to the intersection of Country Road and Highway 8. He left her there.
01:09:50
He started to bike away, stopped on a bridge, turned around, and saw her get into a gray 1959 Chevrolet
01:09:58
with an out-of-province license plate. I know. Sorry. Sorry. I know. Kilometers.
01:10:11
And that there was a lot of chrome on the car. So he sees her leaving in this car and getting into it.
01:10:16
He bikes on. And two days later, on the afternoon of June 11th, Searchers discover Lynn's body, a few tree branches partially covering her remains,
01:10:28
and it's in a nearby farm woodlot just off a tractor trail. It's a lightly wooded area known as Lawson's Bush on the outskirts of Clinton.
01:10:37
It's just a little, you know, tree foresty area. Lynn had been raped and strangled with her own blouse.
01:10:45
So Stephen becomes the immediate and only suspect. The 14-year-old? Yeah. Wow. Because he was the last person to see her.
01:10:53
He said he had dropped her off. And the parents said that she's not someone who would normally hitchhike, so they didn't believe him.
01:11:01
And within two days of an investigation, on June 12, 1959, Stephen's taken into custody.
01:11:07
And after about 10 hours of investigation at 2.30 in the morning, Stephen's charged with first-degree murder of Lynn Harper.
01:11:16
Wow. 14-year-old Stephen. it's then decided that Stephen should stand trial as an adult
01:11:25
which means he could potentially be sentenced to either life in prison or execution
01:11:30
the prosecution case is based on the fact that because Lynn wouldn't hitchhike they allege that Stephen never even made it
01:11:38
to drop her off and in fact just had turned off into Lawson's Bush sexually assaulted her before killing her
01:11:44
so a fucking there's a ton of witnesses saying the whereabouts, what they saw, when they saw them, that are children.
01:11:54
It's like 11 year old schoolmates, 14 year old kids. And so both sides, the prosecution and the defense
01:12:00
call these witnesses to say what they saw. So, of course, on the prosecution side,
01:12:06
they're saying that the kid who was walking home down the exact road never saw them ride their bike
01:12:12
past, that kids who were hanging out at the bridge never saw them, or saw Stephen alone.
01:12:20
And so one girl, little girl, claimed that she was supposed to meet, herself meet him in the bush
01:12:27
at the time that Lynn was allegedly killed. So he was supposed to be there anyways
01:12:31
and probably was there, is what she said. Now, did they do any kind of questioning
01:12:37
of these children where they said, are any of you liars, are any of your pants currently on fire?
01:12:45
Because that sounds like that grammar school bullshit where you're like, when you play telephone,
01:12:51
it always ends up Dolly Parton. We're just like, that's not what I said. Well, it's just so crazy
01:12:56
because there's this really great documentary about it that I'll get to, but they talk to some of the kids
01:13:03
and it's just like, remember this shit? These little kids are like, you know, before she was found,
01:13:08
they're like, I saw Lynn and this was what happened. Or I saw Steven. And you get really excited and you want to be part of it.
01:13:13
Yes. Because you're 12. Or 47. Either way, it's fun to be part of things. Right, or say like, you know,
01:13:21
just get excited and spread rumors. Then the police come and talk to you and say, we heard you said this,
01:13:27
and they can't be like, no, I lied and made that up. You just go with it. You go with it.
01:13:31
Little kids then also believe themselves. They convince themselves that this is what they saw.
01:13:36
And they know they'll get in trouble if they are lying. For sure. You're like, well, the solution to that is lie more.
01:13:43
Right. That's always the thing. My spangs have rolled down to about... Let's see.
01:13:49
Like, they've done it in a way that's now making me look worse. You know what I mean?
01:13:54
Yep. It's like, it's just pushing my gut up here and over the top of the Spanx in a way that...
01:14:02
Did you know that's the new look? That's a hot look in Milan right now. Yes. Can I ask you, this might be the problem.
01:14:08
It might be user error because I'm always like, well, if we're buying Spanx, I should
01:14:13
buy them in a size too small because then they'll do what they're supposed to do.
01:14:16
That's not what you're supposed to do? No. Okay. Well, then it's user error. Apologies to Spanx.
01:14:22
You guys are doing a great job. The best way to do it is you get the Spanx that come, they're turtleneck Spanx.
01:14:28
They just come right up here. Goddamn, they work so good. This is what I get for buying Spanx in a Spanx airport store.
01:14:36
Literally, it's like, you know, you used to roll your socks down as a kid. Yeah.
01:14:40
That's what's happening to my Spanx. Well, up until this point, though, you were really holding your face together well.
01:14:47
I feel like you were like, really, your core was engaged and you were just like trying to make it work.
01:14:52
Thank you. Yeah. Okay, I was there. But still, I also like to know the personal stuff.
01:14:57
Yeah. I'm not going to lie about my gut situation. I mean, you can't. I can't. I want to lie about my gut situation every day.
01:15:04
And I just... To myself. It's just how it is. You know? Also, I mean, if we're going to be honest,
01:15:10
part of my little half sock that I'm wearing in these is just rolled down and it's now almost all the way to my toes.
01:15:18
Do your socks match? All the way to... Yeah. Oh, shit. Look. That's the most uncomfortable.
01:15:27
Both of us need a minute to fix our situations. Jesus. Also, I'm covered in lint.
01:15:32
I know. Listen, someone, I brought this rug from home, as I said. Can you close the curtain?
01:15:38
It's not working out anymore. You're humiliating. There's so many people. And that's where the humor comes in of this podcast.
01:15:48
Or does it? Or does it? How you doing? Listen. I leave. oh fuck i walk out through the house god damn it okay with your microphone yes
01:16:01
swearing into the microphone the whole time okay so part of the okay so part of their big theory
01:16:09
the prosecutions and really what seems to have turned the case and made it the strongest was
01:16:15
okay so the theory was that um steven never dropped lynn off as he claimed and actually
01:16:21
between 7 and 7.45 is when he killed her. So this time frame is super important because pathologist John Penniston
01:16:30
spelled penis tan. Oh, okay. Why don't you just pronounce it that way then? It's fun.
01:16:42
I mean, listen. Look. I can't. I haven't grown up. Also is... What? Say it. Do it.
01:16:52
Go. All right. I don't want to go down the long slide of penis tan jokes. I just feel like...
01:16:59
How many are there? I've got about 47 in the chamber right now. I'm not familiar.
01:17:06
No, no. So he, pathologist John Penniston, conducted the autopsy of Lynn. And he testifies that...
01:17:18
So he does the thing where he figures out what she's eaten, by knowing how much food has been digested when she died.
01:17:27
So he said between 7.15 and 7.45, because of the food that she had eaten, that's when she died.
01:17:34
That's his exact time, which even by today's standards is fucking insane. You can't do that.
01:17:39
You can't figure that out? You mean that exactly? No, absolutely not. Okay. It's kind of one of those bunk science things now,
01:17:46
like blood spatter and all this. It feels like everything's bunk now. I know they're taking it all away from us
01:17:53
what happened to my fibers? yeah God I love I love when they find a fiber and then they like this cat hair fiber matches this cat hair fiber Cat hair fibers You can lock them up
01:18:05
The fiber, the red fibers. The fucking green carpet in his apartment. Okay. They also had shoe prints near the body and they say they seemed to match Stephen's, but they hadn't taken any measurements or plaster casts of it.
01:18:21
Hey, why bother? just execute the 14 year old and get on with it Jesus Christ that's going to be our tagline
01:18:32
the shirts just get worse and worse with these two I can't wear that to Thanksgiving
01:18:42
and the tattoos start happening fuck this is our job I know. It's crazy. It's so good. I used to eat cupcakes for a living on TV. And now this is pretty fucking awesome. Okay. The thing is, we don't even do it right.
01:19:09
Well, who said I ate cupcakes right? Were you one of those ones that like you bit and spit immediately? No, I ate the whole thing with the wrapper on it. Is that right?
01:19:20
Like a goat. You just keep chewing. Spit. Oh, sorry. Okay. Professionals. Professionals.
01:19:34
As for the defense, they had their own child witnesses, of course. Did you know, sorry, I just heard about this recently.
01:19:44
Did you know at the end of World War II, Hitler had a child army that was fighting?
01:19:50
People? No. Did I dream that? No, I think because so many of the men of age were dead and they had lost so many lives.
01:20:03
They were sending out, you know, like the Hitler youth where they were really into exercising in the 30s.
01:20:07
And they were just like, put on a coat and grab a gun. Now you're going out there.
01:20:12
Pretty sure. Watch the History Channel. It's not my area. Okay, sorry. Go ahead.
01:20:18
I just love the phrase child witness. Like, I'm already like, no, I don't need that.
01:20:23
I don't need that witness. And then I was at the bridge and... Get out of here. So these child witnesses said that they had been on or near the bridge
01:20:41
and actually had seen Stephen on the bridge. And at first the prosecution was like, no way you could have seen him from that far away.
01:20:47
And then they went and were like, oh, I see how you could have seen him from that far away.
01:20:51
Now it all makes perfect sense. It all makes perfect sense. Yet still we might execute you.
01:20:54
Yeah. Don't worry about it. Yeah. And so that all checked out. Witnesses also noted that Stephen, who met his friends by eight o'clock, seemed totally normal when they saw him.
01:21:08
And no one had seen Stephen entering or leaving the wooded area where Lynn was killed.
01:21:12
Okay, so despite all of this, on September 30th, 1959, after a trial that lasted 15 days, the jury found Stephen guilty.
01:21:22
What? At that time... And you know how they announced it? How? It was like, my mother, yes.
01:21:31
What if there was a child judge? It's like fucking Bugsy Malone from the 80s. It's just children.
01:21:40
Oh my God. Sorry. No, never be. I mean... I start now. I mean us, not you. Karen.
01:21:53
Okay, so the criminal code required that a death sentence be imposed for murder.
01:21:58
So the trial judge... Imagine being 14. The judge says to you, you're going to die by hanging.
01:22:05
What? Death by hanging. that he appealed his conviction unanimously dismissed the appeal
01:22:14
so then they commute it to just life in prison so Stephen spends a decade in prison and then he's paroled
01:22:24
in October 21st 1969 at age 24 so he gets out and immediately gets drafted into V&L
01:22:32
sorry that would be a bummer sorry I'm just running bad scenarios in my head at all times
01:22:41
I'm sorry I mean that's so fucked it's his whole life you go to jail when you're 14
01:22:46
and you get out when you're 24 I know but then Lynn died at 12 it's so hard true
01:22:52
and what if he okay okay and I don't know I know none of us know and every I think that all of Canada is like
01:22:57
it's like half and half who believes what happened that he did it or he didn't do it
01:23:02
right guys we're gonna take a poll after yeah yeah you have a little piece of paper
01:23:05
under your chair yes or no next to the gun all we want to know is yes don't mistake the two yes please whatever you do i know you guys aren't familiar with guns
01:23:15
they're not pens so steven goes limbs under an assumed name shuns all publicity for three decades he marries has
01:23:30
three children then in a 2000 episode of the fifth estate which is a really fucking good show
01:23:36
i somehow knew that you guys would love it because every article i read about this was like the fifth
01:23:42
estate the fifth estate and it was fucking it's a canadian show yeah and so he finally breaks his
01:23:47
silence and he and he's on the whole show like married telling everyone what happened telling
01:23:51
the stuff and all these like the kid witnesses are uh interviewed as adult witnesses they still kids It all Benjamin Button situation Or there one of the adults are like um and then I saw him it stupid
01:24:07
They're like a 49 year old man. Jerry, focus, please. You have to look into the camera. We've
01:24:13
told you seven times. Stop eating Pez. Do you have candy? Um, okay. So Fifth Estate's investigation
01:24:22
highlight serious problems with the forensic evidence and show that police were too hasty
01:24:26
and laying charges in two days. In two days. So in 2006, around this time, the scientists are like, wait a minute.
01:24:37
Even now we don't know when food breaks down in the stomach because it's based on so many
01:24:42
things, age, gender, diet, stress level, all these things. So one of the forensic dudes was like, really all we can tell is what they ate.
01:24:51
that's all we use this for at this point so they don't even use it in it and then it can it can be
01:24:58
um it can other uh so that's the mr penis tan what what all of that and you landed at penis tan
01:25:10
well that's where everyone wants to land really so years later uh in like the 60s penis tan
01:25:19
says, yeah, I was probably wrong about that. It could have been as much as two hours later when she actually died.
01:25:26
Dude. I know. Get it together. And then these days, they examine the original evidence
01:25:32
and conclude that Lynn may have died as late as 24 hours after being with Stephen.
01:25:37
So it's a big window. We don't use that science anymore. So and originally, I don't want to keep saying penis thing
01:25:45
because I know it's an old joke at this point. You're forced. I mean in this so Dr. Penison originally offered two different times originally he was like could
01:25:54
have been this time could have been that time and then it wasn't until they they figured out when
01:25:59
Stephen would have killed her that he settled on that time frame too and it seems like he was like
01:26:05
had a change of heart at some point about not being a horrible person and came back it sounds like he's just as suggestible as those child witnesses
01:26:13
He was a child forensic pathologist. Shit. They should not let eight-year-olds be forensic pathologists anymore.
01:26:22
Never again. Doogie Howser? Don't. You ruined it. No. Okay. After, so Trescott's always maintained his innocence.
01:26:33
Okay. In prison, he voluntarily submits to doing prison psychiatric probes, including truth serum and lsd wow which i'm like i'll do that too i mean if you're in prison
01:26:46
hell yes but he was so adamant i mean think of it this is not a time when people were stoked about
01:26:51
doing drugs well as far as he knew the 60s right they like not mystery drugs right yeah but he was
01:26:57
like they were like you know if we give this to you and you actually did did stuff i don't know
01:27:01
if you guys have been an acid before but you're gonna fucking talk about it and you're gonna laugh
01:27:04
about it yeah and you're a monster and it won't end for like 12 hours it's so irritating yeah and
01:27:11
you're in prison and you're in prison on acid bummer the last time look don't do acid it's so
01:27:18
lame but the last time i did it long ago i was laying in bed and i couldn't sleep all my friends
01:27:27
were asleep every all the fun had ended hours before and i was laying in bed looking at spinning
01:27:33
goofy faces how fucking like goofy is that mickey mouse yes the dog bummer yes like can i at least
01:27:41
see something cool spinning and i was like my arms crossed like i'm so lame i love that you're even
01:27:47
an you're a critic of your own fucking yes this trip lame stupid stupid this is too commercial
01:27:55
where's the local art oh my god basically he's like i don't fucking do it give me any drug you want give me all the acid
01:28:12
and i won't fucking does sodium pentothal really work that's the truth serum right it does on me
01:28:17
let's find out right now i'm gonna take it and it's a it's acid it's oops it's acid
01:28:23
Oh, I skipped a book. Okay. Blah, blah, blah. Okay. Da-da-da-da-da. Sorry. I already said da-da-da-da-da.
01:28:33
So Association in Defense of the Wrongly Convicted, they worked to get federal justice minister to reopen the case.
01:28:41
And on August 28th, 2007, 48 years after the original trial, the Ontario Court of Appeal unanimously overturns Stephen's conviction,
01:28:51
declaring the case a miscarriage of justice. half the crowd is applauding half the crowd is not applauding
01:28:58
yep loudly I have a really great ear for how many people are applauding at once and I can tell it's 1500
01:29:03
was it 15? not 1503? nope oh but it was actually 14 like 98 because that couple got in a fight
01:29:11
didn't come yeah they never made it they couldn't make it he was like murder isn't funny
01:29:17
she's like you don't get it they also talk about cats okay miscarriage of justice and okay this is a really big point of contention for the people who
01:29:34
the other 1498 people another couple got in a fight too on your side he stevens awarded
01:29:44
6.5 million in compensation holy shit yeah and so clearly people are pissed about that who believe
01:29:53
he did it oh yeah as well as the fact that you know it given okay okay okay Okay So the possibility of other subjects suspects weren looked into and that one of the reasons he got all that money So two of the
01:30:07
other suspects, so Sergeant Barry Rule wrote a book called A Viable Suspect, and he zeroed in
01:30:15
on this dude who was a traveling salesman, and he was considered a person of interest in other
01:30:20
violent cases and he had a ton of connections including similarities in the car that uh
01:30:27
for fuck's sake that scared the shit out of me that was very jarring yeah steven stop it stop rubbing your mustache on the microphone
01:30:38
i'm sorry steven that was particularly harsh i didn't mean i didn't mean it really wasn't
01:30:44
Do you hear anything I'm saying? I screamed at our audience last night. I told the millennials,
01:30:53
I said the word stupefied. I said the word stupefied and like easily 100 children
01:31:01
yelled back Harry Potter. I still don't think that's what they were saying. It was what they were saying.
01:31:07
Are you fucking kidding me? Yes, because then when I said, are you yelling Harry Potter?
01:31:11
They all cheered. And then I was like, that's why people hate millennials that's the dumbest thing I've ever
01:31:19
it was fucking dumb do they know stupefied was a word before Harry Potter whoa I knew that was gonna happen
01:31:26
oh no Harry Potter's here are you so mad expecto stupefied oh my god it's okay guess what the rug is ruined
01:31:38
just my rug you're all fired you just flung water at my face did I really this thing is falling apart it's okay i've actually spilled it on myself multiple times
01:31:48
tonight i knew that was gonna happen i just thought it would be me historically speaking
01:31:52
that's kind of me shit sorry my thing that was i'm stealing your bit can you not
01:31:58
okay the car focus get it together the car that this dude and he gave a fake name for the dude
01:32:09
because he's dead and he didn't want to. The traveling salesman? Yeah. Okay. The car was similar.
01:32:15
He owned a 1959 Chevy Bel Air. And the same, he was in this area the evening Lynn went missing.
01:32:23
He also said he would have known the Clinton area because he was a traveling salesman.
01:32:29
And similar shoe size. Oh. So he died before the investigation. and then, sorry, okay, there was a farmer who owned the property where Lynn's body was found
01:32:48
and he said he saw a strange car parked near his fence the night of Lynn going missing.
01:32:54
And the officer on duty, who was near the Royal Canadian Air Force Base, wasn't interested.
01:33:00
and he also testified that the girl who said that um that Stephen was supposed to meet her at the
01:33:06
bush came to her later before the trial and said can you tell them the time you keep telling them
01:33:11
you saw the car can you change that for it to an hour before she's 12 so she's like can you do me
01:33:16
a favor like why because she she wanted to fit with hers yeah and this grown man was like no one
01:33:24
I'm going to go tell on you. She's like, well, then you're not invited to my birthday party.
01:33:33
It's fucking bananas. Another suspect. So there was an Air Force sergeant named Alexander Kalachuk.
01:33:42
He was a heavy drinker, history of sexual offenses, lived within a 20-minute drive at the base.
01:33:48
And Stephen and Lynn both lived at the base. About three weeks before Lynn's murder,
01:33:52
he had tried to lure a 10-year-old girl into his car. I think a couple towns over.
01:33:58
In the mid-60s, a file is uncovered that detailed that he had been psychologically evaluated
01:34:04
as a sexual predator and potential killer. Wow. And he had two counts of indecent exposure on record
01:34:12
before ever even arriving in Clinton. Wow. Okay. He was waving it all around. Yeah.
01:34:19
Swiss cheese. Swiss cheese pervert. I'm surprised so many people remember that incredible story.
01:34:28
The best story of all time. Yeah. For those of you who don't know, there's a man somewhere in the East Coast that likes to get into his car,
01:34:36
not wear pants, hold up a piece of Swiss cheese, and trick women into looking at it, and then he's jerking off behind it.
01:34:44
We're not tricking you guys, right? The people who don't know this story, we're not tricking you.
01:34:48
This is real. There's pictures of him doing it. Pictures and there's people who wear Halloween costumes of this man.
01:34:55
Look it all up. This is our gift to you for later. And then call us insensitive.
01:34:59
Yeah. I was just fucking, you were a nurse for Halloween. Wow, I got really angry at the crowd.
01:35:06
I know, you were mad. Listen. Look. Look at that. All right. And then there was also another man, an electrician, with a conviction for rape who worked regularly at the base and knew the Harpers, Lynn's family.
01:35:21
okay so tons of choices tons of choices take a couple extra days before i mean just mull it over
01:35:28
for one second yeah um so okay oh no okay but here's the thing lynn's family this poor family
01:35:40
who's been through so much including all these this stuff with steven and still haven't found
01:35:44
the gotten justice they still believe that steven was the murderer yeah and they also never told
01:35:49
their aging father about the verdict and the money because they were like, he couldn't handle it.
01:35:54
Of course not. So that's the murder of Lynn Harper. Oh, I have a phone. of him and her as kids.
01:36:02
Oh, really? Or is that too much? Well, I guess Stephen's deciding. That's Stephen.
01:36:08
That's him? Yeah. He kind of looks like an adult. Yeah, he's a big kid for a 14-year-old.
01:36:13
And then let's look at Lynn. Oh. Little baby. So that's that. Wow. That's, uh, thanks.
01:36:24
I hope to God. I mean, like, these days, It's very likely that someone can start a podcast where they're like, I'd like to know what happened.
01:36:33
And then they could actually figure it out. Like people are doing that all the time now.
01:36:37
Yeah. That'd be amazing. For sure. Someone did that. It's like authors being like, yeah, that was us until 10 years ago, you fucking asshole podcasters.
01:36:47
They're like, would you just read off that paper? That's right. And we're like, start a podcast.
01:36:52
Maybe you can then. It's not that hard. I just want to know the answer. I know. I hate those kinds of things.
01:36:59
I know. That's why I do them is because I hate them and I love them. Yeah. No, I fucking.
01:37:03
It's like a puzzle. Because I'm. Yeah. Oh, it's. All right. It's clear. Okay, we're back.
01:37:17
Are there updates for the story? There are a couple in the 2020 film. Marlene tells the story of Stephen's case and how his wife Marlene works tirelessly to clear his name.
01:37:27
And then in 2024, Canadian author and Nobel laureate Alice Munro wondered that her husband could have possibly been involved in Lynn's murder.
01:37:36
This came about amid the revelation that her husband had sexually abused her daughter, his stepdaughter, and that Alice had known about it.
01:37:45
And then most importantly, Buried Bones covered this case, which you know is just going to be incredible.
01:37:51
It's an episode called Bugged that came out on August 30th, 2023. So definitely go check that out for a deeper dive, a smarter dive.
01:38:00
I actually downloaded that episode because I so want to hear the detail. This is one of the craziest cases of all time.
01:38:08
And I can't wait to hear those guys pick it apart. Same. Okay. We're going to go back now to hear a hometown from the audience.
01:38:17
Hey, do we have time for a hometown murder? Don't we? Will you look up? Make sure Vince isn't like waving at us.
01:38:25
Because I can't see. Are you okay? Can I just flash you all my underwear? Okay. Let me have to pick someone out.
01:38:32
It's time. We just want to hear a hometown murder. Now listen. Here's some rules.
01:38:36
Rules. We've learned this over the years. You have to listen. You can't read off a piece of paper.
01:38:43
You have to tell it like it actually happened to you. You can't be super drunk. You can be lightly drunk.
01:38:51
But you can't be like slurry or posi drunk where like it's uncomfortable Thanksgiving drunk.
01:38:55
We can't have that. It's fun if you have like a fun personality, but you don't have to have a huge personality.
01:39:03
We prefer you don You know what We run out of time Okay bye you guys Alright and now I picking and I scared You guys listen Karen letting me I hear you Karen letting me pick
01:39:15
now and so don't fuck this up for me. Yeah. Is all I'm asking. Don't wave your arm if you just got half a game.
01:39:21
We never have a dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you. Sorry, we're having a dude. Fix your sock. Oh shit, he's pointing.
01:39:27
Uh-oh, he's got a big... Wake it, Stephen! Wake up! Thank you, Stephen. Uh-oh. Hi. What's your name?
01:39:36
I'm Sean. Don't ruin this for me, Sean. Hi. Nice to meet you. Okay, take center stage.
01:39:42
Say hello to everyone. Sean, hold on. Where are you from? I am from Ballantaria, Muskoka.
01:39:52
Awesome. Where is it on the mitten? Oh, up over there? Yeah, yeah. So it's about 200 kilometers.
01:40:01
Kilometers. Toronto. Okay. All right. All right. So I don't actually remember the names of these people.
01:40:06
Oh, Jesus. Well, then you're in the right place. Perfect. All right. So it involves,
01:40:13
uh, a man from, uh, Bracebridge, Ontario. Perfect. Uh, so he moves to Toronto and, uh,
01:40:24
he's a bodybuilder and he wants to be like a fitness instructor and everything. Uh, and
01:40:28
And then he meets this high school dropout exotic dancer drug dealer. Yes. Said very well.
01:40:35
We're off to a great start. Good combination. Here we go. And so they hit it off.
01:40:41
They get together. And then they start partying like there's no tomorrow. Cocaine everywhere.
01:40:46
Just great times all around. Well, times. Okay. They end up actually fighting so much after a little while
01:40:56
that they get kicked out of multiple apartments. And then he eventually gets arrested
01:41:01
or up on charges for something. So he does the best thing he can do. And he skips town to go and live with mom and dad.
01:41:10
And he brings the woman with her. The mom and dad don't like him or don't like her.
01:41:16
They kind of like him. They don't like the exotic dancer drug dealer? Okay. Yeah, I know.
01:41:22
Go figure. I mean. So, from there, after a little while, they get their own place, and then they get kicked out.
01:41:31
And, yeah, a bunch of other places. It was actually so bad, they're fighting, that a landlord gave them $900 to move out.
01:41:38
Fuck. That's never happened in the history of apartments. No. I'm going to try that next time.
01:41:45
I want to break a lease. Good luck with that. They actually ended up having a kid at this point.
01:41:52
And so, like I said, they were fighting. She actually got charged with assault on him
01:42:01
because he threatened to call child services because she was apparently a bad mother.
01:42:09
His fatherhood had nothing to do with it. No nothing So she starts getting bored of him starts sleeping around and then actually develops a plan to move
01:42:22
But they were behind on rent so much that he actually had to go to court and do a bunch of legal stuff.
01:42:29
So she got her shit together and planned to move out. On the day that she was planning to leave, he had to go to court.
01:42:40
but he came home early, caught her, and they got fighting, obviously. As they do.
01:42:49
As they do. And what ended up happening was he ended up hitting her in the head about three or four times.
01:42:57
After the first time, she actually tried to block the blows and ended up breaking some of her hand bones.
01:43:05
So from there, she's obviously dead after the fourth or fifth blow. Oh, okay. Right.
01:43:12
I'm sorry. Spoiler alert, she dies. Okay. Shit. So he does what any rational person would do,
01:43:18
is he goes to Home Depot and buys four five-gallon drum buckets and matching lids.
01:43:26
And now he's working for a construction company at this point, so he goes out, puts the body in the trunk with the four bins,
01:43:36
and drives out to a former customer's place. It's a cottage. No one's around. It's March, I believe, at this time.
01:43:44
And so, yeah, no one's around. Cuts up the body and puts it in the pails. Calls a friend.
01:43:50
Says, hey, man, I got to get out of my place. Can I store some stuff in your storage locker?
01:43:55
Can I store some buckets? Don't worry, the lids match. Don't worry, it gets worse.
01:44:07
Always, always. So while he's working on another job at a different cottage with the guy,
01:44:14
he ends up sneakily building a crate in which to store these four buckets. From there, so over the course of time, he builds this crate,
01:44:26
puts the buckets in, seals it up, leaves. Three years later, the crate was noticed by the homeowner.
01:44:34
Oh, my God. Where was it? In the backyard? No, no, like, so it was like, it was kind of like over,
01:44:40
so there's a porch kind of thing, and there was like a crawl space. Yeah. So it's like next to the house.
01:44:46
No, it was under the house, under the porch. Oh, so he was working on the house,
01:44:50
and he was like, oh, yeah, I fixed that. I fixed that thing. That thing that you need me to fix.
01:44:54
And then he puts a dead body into the house, essentially. Oh, my God. You're like, yeah, yeah, I'm telling you.
01:45:00
That's what I'm saying. So, yeah, like I said, three years later, The homeowner knows this crate, and he asks his handyman that works around the place,
01:45:14
hey, what's this crate doing? And he's like, I don't know. Cracks it open and smell of death Uh uh yeah oh my god so who uh please right now say i that handyman
01:45:33
yeah that's even if you have to lie it's the best ending of all time i'm that handyman
01:45:40
Yes! No, no. How? So he got really stupid with, because he said the guy that killed his girlfriend,
01:45:52
he actually used her cell phone for calls, sold her clothes, because he did initially say that she just ran away.
01:46:01
Right. So they eventually tracked it back to him, and he was convicted in May 2013.
01:46:13
He got charged with second-degree murder, so that's automatic death, or not death, sorry.
01:46:21
It should be. Automatic life in prison with chance of parole after 17 years. So he's eligible for parole in 2030.
01:46:33
Wow, well, good. Wow. So that's that was great. That was amazing. Now you don't have to read that one because I emailed it to you
01:46:47
Great job Yes That's how you tell a hometown murder You know I'm gonna just take your time and tell it just kidding. I'm giving you shit. Yeah
01:47:04
Okay, we're back. This episode originally was titled Live at the Sony Center in Toronto
01:47:10
for reasons that are obvious. But if we were naming it today based on something from the show, I love this one.
01:47:17
Maybe we would call it Fun to Panic. Too early to panic, but it would be fun to panic.
01:47:23
We'd have a good time with it. Or my description of American Kit Kats, a flat brown candle.
01:47:29
It's so gross. so gross and of course expecto stupefy when you cast your harry potter spell hilarious
01:47:35
so good all right well that was another episode of rewind from all the way back in 2017 thank you
01:47:43
guys for listening let's say goodbye from the sony center back in 2017 this has been really incredible i mean it really is so fun
01:47:54
it's so cool that we get to do this exact thing and you want to come and see us do it live it's
01:48:03
ridiculous it really is we're lucky we fucking love canada you guys are all so supportive of us
01:48:10
from the very beginning thanks for coming out thanks for getting the tickets thanks for making
01:48:15
the effort thanks for listening for as long as thank for listening so long that you know i fucked
01:48:18
up Paul Bernardo. Thank you. And the Swiss cheese guy. Thank you guys. So stay sexy. And don't
01:48:28
get murdered. Elvis, do you want a cookie?