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Goodbye. My favorite murder Hello and welcome to My Favorite Murder. That's Georgia Hardstark.
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That's Karen Kilgariff. And today we are very excited. We have a big announcement.
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Two of our favorite podcasts in the world joining the Exactly Right Network. and it's such an exciting thing to be telling you about right now.
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Everyone, murderinos, this is Jake Brennan of Disgraceland and Hollywoodland and he's joining Exactly Right Media.
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That's right. I am indeed. Yes, and I'm very happy about it. I'm very psyched. I can't believe I'm here.
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This is completely surreal, actually. I feel like this has been in the works since we kind of met for the first time.
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Yeah. It's just the universe and all the people pulling the right strings and pushing us in the right direction
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and I could not be happier to be here. And just thanks. Yeah, I'm psyched. Yeah, thank you.
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It's perfect. It's like a perfect mix. We were like big fans from the beginning and like true crime podcast friends for a while.
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So we're glad you picked us. Yeah, yeah, of course. I'm glad you picked me. It's been, ever since we did that event
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back in when my book came out, you guys were so generous with your time and you came to that bookstore opening that I did
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and probably boosted sales by like 100%. And so thank you for that, which is cool.
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But we had just a great time. We had great chemistry on stage together. So this is awesome.
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Yes. And we know our audience loves you because you did that during COVID. I don't know if you remember doing that crossover with us.
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Of course, yeah. Where you told us that amazing hometown. And it's one of the most popular episodes we've ever posted.
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That blows my mind. Yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. I still run into people in my hometown who are like, who asked me about that episode,
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which is good and bad because I like to remain breathing, you know, I don't want certain people to hear that up soon.
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Well, you want to tell us like when you started Disgraceland and like what your intentions were?
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I started in 2018 and it was really just to make a music podcast that I wanted to listen to.
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And I grew up obviously, you know, loving music. I played music. It's what I did with my whole young adult life.
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What was your first band name? Cast Iron Hike. It was a hardcore band from Boston.
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And Snows Them. For real? Yeah. Oh, shit. We were on Victory, right? Yeah, we were on Victory Records.
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And yeah, so we toured. What did you play or sing? I was the singer. I was the front man in that band.
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Amazing. And was in bands throughout my 20s and 30s. And then I had a family. And I had a job at an ad agency.
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And I was doing music licensing. And I was really bad at it. And I knew I was going to get fired.
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It's so corporate. I know. But it was like the coolest ad agency too. It wasn't corporate, but I still sucked at it.
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And I was like, what the hell am I going to do? And I knew, this is like right when podcasts, you guys started in 16, right?
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So I remember you guys were around and I was into like S-Town and Serial and Crime Town.
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And I was like, I'm going to start a podcast. And my only ambition was that I thought it might lead to some sort of work in audio.
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Yeah. and I launched it and it was just this music and true crime mix and the true crime thing came from
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I knew I wanted to tell music stories but I you know my whole life I've been the guy like in the
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in the van with my bandmates being like I gotta gotta tell you the story about this thing to the point where they like dude shut up Shut up We know that Well we know that feeling Yeah And I knew that the stories I wanted to tell I didn want to just do like music biographies
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and stuff that's already been done a million times. I wanted to tell the stories that I wanted to hear.
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So that's where the true crime piece came from it. And then I remember it was like a month after I launched the first episode and it took off
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and I came out here to LA to meet with some folks. I remember being in my hotel room and you guys had mentioned Disgraceland.
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I think you mentioned the Norwegian black metal episode or something like that. Yeah.
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And that was the biggest thing. I was like, my favorite murder is talking about Disgraceland.
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Oh, my God. And it just blew my mind. And here we are all these years later, which is pretty amazing.
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I never heard that. I didn't realize that that happened that way for you. Yeah. I feel.
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That's so like, yeah, we got the same thing from. Oh, Jack O'Brien. Yeah. From Cracked.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like he did that for us. So we're honored to do that. Yeah. Very cool.
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Very cool. Thank you. We're paying it for Jack O'Brien style. Yeah, exactly. He'll be psyched to hear that.
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He's a good dude. Yeah, he is. He's the best. What was your first show? Well, this is kind of, this is going to sound a little weird and it might sound like I'm
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making this shit up, but I swear to God I'm not. Like I saw the Ramones when I was 10 years old and I have a trepidation in telling this
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story because I literally got I got beat up for this later in in the course of my adolescence from
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like you know once once the punk rockers started coming around like I saw the Ramones because my
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dad opened up for them my dad was in a band oh wow and I remember I was too young to really know
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what it was my dad was cool enough and and still is and just cool enough to know that he should
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bring his son to this right and I remember him telling me because I was into the Beach Boys at
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the time I remember him telling me they're like the Beach Boys they're just really loud
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It's true. It is kind of true. But it was at a point in the Ramones career, like in the early to mid 80s, when they were kind of like, they weren't what they were in the beginning or what they were by the time the 90s rolled around.
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But it was a great experience and just being backstage and like looking up at, you know, 20 foot tall Joey Ramone and being like, oh, my God.
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So I go back to, you know, my little central Massachusetts hometown and whatever.
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It's just the Ramones. But then, you know, five years later or whatever, when I'm like in my early teens and all my friends start listening to punk rock, all my older friends who all of a sudden weren't, they were like, ACDC isn't cool.
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I'm like, fuck you, ACDC's not cool. What do you say? So that was already a point of contention because I wouldn't give up heavy metal.
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But I was like, you know, I saw the Ramones, you know, I was like, no, you didn't.
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You're lying. Immediately fist fly. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. Birded Hill, Clinton, Mass.
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Yeah, that was what it was like back in the 80s. Serious. Oh, boy. Serious group of boys.
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Yeah, exactly. Well, what was your first true crime story that piqued your interest or got you obsessed with those kinds of stories?
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Yeah, we were talking about this the other night, and it was the first one was Helter Skelter and the Manson story and reading Helter Skelter.
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I was grounded a lot as a kid, and I spent a lot of time alone in my bedroom reading and listening to music.
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And this is the result, America. That's right. Right? Like we're college dropouts and I'm like, tell me someone is doing better than this house.
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Wait till you get asked back to speak at the schools you drop out of. Santa Monica City College.
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Here I go. Zach State. I have nothing to tell you. Honorary degrees. So Helter Skelter.
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And I remember reading In Cold Blood shortly after that by Truman Capote. And I was actually thinking about that last night because I just started watching the feud thing with Capote, which is fantastic.
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So Helter Skelter and In Cold Blood. But I was always, I had a subscription to Rolling Stone.
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I had a subscription to Spin. And I had all those cool like Rolling Stone anthologies that they would kind of mass market in the 80s and 90s.
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So you read all the backstories. And I remember reading this story about Jerry Lee Lewis allegedly getting away with murdering one of his wives.
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And it was so wild to me that this was in Rolling Stone. And it was also so wild to me that his nickname is The Killer.
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I was like, are you fucking— Like, everyone knows and no one's trying to hide it.
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Yes, exactly. And he's getting away with it because he's famous. Because he's famous, it's almost like a cute joke.
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Right. Can you believe this guy? Yes. He plays the piano, but he also murders women.
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Right. And then you say it and people are like— How dare you? Yeah, they're like, no.
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I'm like, yes. So that was the first episode of Disgraceland. That's actually where I got the name Disgraceland.
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And it's because that's what they called Jerry Lee's home in Nesbitt, Mississippi, which was a few miles from Elvis's Graceland.
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And it stood in contrast to that. That's such a good episode, too. What a good, like, not coming of age story.
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What's the origin story? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, but the story in Rolling Stone on Jerry Lee Lewis was super true crimey.
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Super true crimey. And that's sort of like my thing. Like, I'm researching the Foo Fighters right now.
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And, you know, I was thinking about this this morning in anticipation of coming on here.
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And I got really excited about this story about Dave Grohl in Europe with the hardcore band Scream that he played for, the DC hardcore band.
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And he's getting chased down an alley from heroin addicts with a knife. And I'm like, this is amazing.
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I get all excited. I'm taking notes about it. And, you know, you can tell the story of young Dave Grohl, sort of his origin story, going on tour in Europe with a hardcore band and be like, oh, they played in this venue and there were 20 people there, but they played their hearts out.
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Or you can be like, yeah, they were playing this venue, okay? But beforehand, they were getting chased by heroin addicts with knives.
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It really enhances the performance. Yeah. The crime bit, and it's more interesting to me at least.
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That so true Like asking those same questions that every interviewer asks instead asking some kind of weirder shit that like makes it more interesting or makes it like less of a biography than a Yeah Yeah It our own take on biography It the way you guys tell stories as well I mean it not apples to apples
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But your point of view is both of your points of view is so strong and unique that, I mean, there are a lot of people who tell true crime stories.
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But obviously, they're not as entertaining. And that's because of the point of view, I think, which makes it awesome.
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Thank you. Same. Of course. Yeah, your point of view, there is a piece of it where it's like, I didn't know if you were a musicologist. I couldn't tell if you were like in a band when I heard that first episode and like first got into it. It was a brand new thing all the way around. It's like, is this guy a journalist? Is he sounds like a musician? Like all those things.
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which is kind of like we've said this before what I love about podcasting where it's like
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if you have a point of view and it's strong enough and you're interested enough and you've
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already done your time right the research was your life growing up and being in bands on loving music
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right and dropping out of college and being in a shitty van with your band and I remember before
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you know back to the ad agency thing and like knowing I was going to lose my job I asked one
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of my best friends Adam who who recorded my a bunch of my music back in the day and my wife I
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asked them the same question. I was like, if you could hire me for one job, what would it be? And
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they both gave me a version of the same answer. And Adam was like, I'd pay to just go in the
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control room and tell me stories. And my wife, my wife was like, I'd pay to tell stories. I was like,
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what? And I was like, I have to do this. That's a great way to figure out what you want to do with
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your life. Like, what are the things like, I mean, I guess my thing would just be snacks. So you can't
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They're like, I can just talk about snacks. Or it's somebody else telling you, I want to watch you eat snacks or I want to hear you review snacks.
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Review snacks. I don't want to hear you eat snacks. Well, that could be a thing.
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Yeah. That's a different part of you, too. Right. Well, it's interesting, though, but you come to that where you're kind of like trying to crowdsource, hey, I want to do a thing, I'm not sure.
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Cut to years later where you are. Do we have that picture of Jake and his very famous friend that he got to meet?
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because of this podcast. Sir Elton John is a fan of Disgrace Land. How did this happen?
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Yeah, that was... How do we do this? What you can't see in that picture is that I am on no sleep
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after like two days of being on a plane. It is complete madness how this took place.
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I can't even believe it happened. It's like a fever dream. I was actually on my way to Denver from Boston
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to go do a live version of Disgraceland. And I was with my buddy Jackson, and we were going to go see the Rolling Stones.
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I've missed out on seeing the Rolling Stones, my favorite band, so many times, for various reasons.
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I literally, my friend Adam, was once like, you know, the studio we recorded at,
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I woke up the next day, I had all these messages. Ron Wood was at the studio. I just missed it.
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It's the worst. So anyhow, I'm going out to play this show in Denver, And then we're going to go see the Rolling Stones.
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And then I was going to go to L.A. and meet with some people. And I'm at Logan parking my car and I get a call from Connell from iHeart.
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And he was like, hey, you know, if you could interview Elton John, if that opportunity came up, would you do that?
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I know you don't do interviews, but would you? I'm like, fuck yeah, I would do that.
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Are you kidding me? He's like, can you be in Milan in 48 hours? Oh, my God. I'm like, yes.
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And no idea how I was going to do that. But just say yes. This is a lesson. Like, don't worry.
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You'll figure it out. Details come later. Yeah. So at the time I was working with somebody.
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We were working on an adaptation of Disgraceland for TV. And he's friends with Elton John.
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And he had just stayed with Elton John and had played him a Disgraceland episode.
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so when Elton was doing the promotion for the the biopic that came out about Elton John
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I don't know how the mechanics of it happened but they were like who's going to interview and my name
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came up and and that was it so I had it cool it's so cool I had to go to Denver do the show you did
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it I was gonna say did you do a makeup show for them because yeah really yeah it's like everything's
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canceled I think they would have understood Elton's calling no they were amazing and they had no idea
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I was just like on cloud nine so we figured out we could do it I couldn't go see the stones
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Jackson still came with me because he's awesome. To Milan? No, not to Milan. It's not that awesome.
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To Denver. I did the show. I got up at like three in the morning. I slept for like an hour and I had to go back to JFK and then fly to Milan.
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And it was already tight. It was one of those things where you get to the airport, it's delayed and you're going like, I can still do this.
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And then you get on the plane and you're delayed on the plane. So I'm like literally texting Elton John's husband being like, dude, I don't know if I'm going to get there.
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And then I'm texting my wife. I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to get there, but I'm going to Milan to have breakfast apparently.
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And I'll be back. And I fully did not expect to be able to do it. I get there. It's the whole thing.
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The guy with the sign at the airport, you know, I get picked up. He's flying like, you know, Italian driver fast times 10 because we're late.
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And I don't want to give it away where he was staying. But I go there and I'm brought up to this suite.
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and they walk me in and I walk in. It's more than a suite. It's like a whole apartment.
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And I get to like the study and he's sitting there and I see he's reading an email
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that I had sent to somebody with the questions, like my email. And he's like, oh, hi, Jake, how are you?
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And I'm like, what do I call you? Can I call you sir? Can I call you? He's like, Elton.
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I'm like, Elton, where's your bathroom? Postscript. I go to use the restroom and he like outside in his office suite type situation and I in the restroom I sleep deprived I a mess and i like i couldn figure out how to flush the toilet it one of those european deals milan have a
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different flushing system all of europe it's like what are they doing with their plumbing i don't
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know it's rich people stuff it's very exactly yeah so i'm like what i'm like okay i gotta i gotta go
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out and i have to ask elton john how to flush the fucking toilet my other option is i just pretend
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and then Elton John's gonna be like who is this barbarian who doesn't flush the toilet?
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Disgusting. There's no good option there. There's no good option. So thankfully I figured it out.
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It was like the flusher was like flush pun intended I guess on the back of like wallpapered.
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Oh it was like a rich person slusher. It was this secret like doop and it worked
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and I went out and we did the interview and it went off without a hitch. Thank God.
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That could have ended really differently. Yes. Yes. Oh before we go any further I have stuff for you guys.
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Oh, yay. That cool? Absolutely. I got these for both of you. This. All right. So when we did that show in LA, I tried doing this then.
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I went record shopping for you guys. Oh, yeah. That's right. Yes. I love this. And I flew from San Francisco to LA and I left like all the records on the plane.
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Oh. so I'm like I'm doing it this time I'm doing it this time because I knew I was going to see
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so okay so I guess these are not the exact same ones these are cooler I think I don't remember really what the last ones were
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but these are these all have either some some significance with you guys the show
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the whole you know whatever they all have some meaning so Karen I know you have some
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Stevie Nicks badassery in your past so I saw that and I was like this is you know it's got edge of 17 on it oh my god i think there's an aunt with a chevy ss
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super sport in my cousin lisa who had this eight track in her chevy super sport with the back jacked
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up that she used to drive me to 4-h meetings going 120 miles an hour on the back roads of
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petaluma also stopped dragging my heart around on this album which is one of my favorite songs of
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all time amazing tell everyone in the audience what it is this is this stevie nicks album bella
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Madonna. Yeah, well, we're talking about the greatness of Stevie Nicks. We're talking about who took this picture.
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Yes. It wasn't Tom Petty. So amazing. Okay, this is another, from the same era. This is a recent episode of Disgrace.
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Yeah. This is The Pretenders. Yes. Fantastic album. And just Chrissy Hines' badassery has transmutated itself onto you in some fashion.
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Oh, what an honor. I love this. I was just listening to this episode and she is just such a badass.
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She really is. And a lot of people don't know. I mean, she was almost in the clash.
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I know. She was almost in the Sex Pistols. She was almost in the Damned. And you're thinking like, oh, that would have been awesome.
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And I'm like, no, because then the pretenders wouldn't have happened. And when you watch those videos of her from the 80s, like, first of all, thank you so much because this might be the best compliment I've ever gotten in my life to even be slightly associated with Chrissy Hine.
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But when you watch those videos of her and those Pretender songs, they're so original and individual to her.
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Like, I don't see her being in other people's bands. Right, right. It's her. The word icon gets overused these days, in my opinion.
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She is iconic. She truly is. Yeah. And this, I don't know if you know this, but this is a quintessential L.A. record.
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And Arthur Lee from Love has a kind of true crime past as well. Say what it is. So there you go.
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Love. Love. Yeah, with Arthur Lee. reel to reel is the band when it was like this i thought it was the go-go's first album where i'm
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like yes you've named but now i'll listen to this because it's something i i don't know well i i
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guarantee you that charlotte uh caffey from the go-go's was listening to that album when she was
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writing uh a lot of the riffs that that were on the first go-go's album for sure sorry can you
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just look at this group of people real quick oh wow this is like la 1972 yeah ish yeah they've met
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Charles Manson. Yeah. They thought he was a fucking dork. 74. 74? Amazing. Thank you.
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You got it. All right. So, Georgia. Who am I? Moving on. Who am I? Get to know yourself through Jake Brennan.
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This is the best scene. I don't want that pressure, man. This is Liza Minnelli. I'm going to be offended.
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It's all show tunes. Kind of. Goth show tunes by The Cramps. Yes. So, I know about the Danzig and Henry Rollins lore in My Favorite Murder.
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Yeah. And I actually was looking for a Danzig album. Couldn't find it. This is actually better.
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I don't, yeah. The first Crayon Scrapist record, you cannot mess with this album.
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Thank you. This is amazing. This is the Crayon Scrapist hits. I don't own this. It's so beautiful.
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I'm honored. Where is this? Is this the ballroom? The mental institution? Oh, this is not the mental institution.
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No, it's not the mental institution one, but it's just, I'm not exactly sure where that
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picture is from, but great songs on that album. Fucking love this. And I love that they were in Glendale.
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Yeah, where they were living later on. Just hanging out around here. I gotta say, it is serial killer-y around here.
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Isn't it? Burbank. It really is. It's truly like... A lot of cement and long blocks of nothing.
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Yeah, dirt. There's dirt lots where like what's over in the corner over there? Just keep driving.
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Yeah, there's a lot of places to dump bodies. Totally. Or like the Hillside Strangler had their auto shop right around here.
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Very close to here. Really? And that alone is like what portal to hell opened where that took place.
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Exactly right. You've got to be careful. You can get sucked into that portal. Speaking of portals to hell, Evan Dando's, this is come on, feel the lemon heads, which is not the one with all the hits, but it's still amazing.
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It's a shame about Ray. I actually think this is better. And it's a 90s connection, Gen X.
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I love that. I am. Technically. And I'm from Boston. So there you go. Oh, my God.
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It's beautiful. Thank you. And also Evan Dando is one of the most beautiful people on the planet.
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It really truly is. You know, I toured with him for a quick, like, three or four days.
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Just me, him, and my friend Greg Conley was tour managing. And in addition to all the insanity times a million that you could imagine from him,
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he was the sweetest guy, and he never said a negative thing about anybody. Wow. That's hard.
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How? To do. And it really—I even baited him a couple times. I was like, reading Rolls-Town, I wonder about this asshole.
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You know what I mean? He, like, wouldn't go there. I don't think I could be friends with someone because that's how I bond with people.
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It's like just talking some shit. It was a real eye-opener for me. It really was.
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Classy. It was such a strong thing that it wasn't an accident. You know what I mean?
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He must have had some governing instinct when he was a kid to kind of make him that way, which is cool.
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Or maybe it's just his life as a beautiful person where he's like, everybody's okay.
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Right. Or you're just like, you need to get kicked in the teeth a couple times. Right.
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What's wrong with life when doors just fly open for you and supermodels want to sleep with you?
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Everybody wants to give you all their drugs. They give you drugs and food all the time.
00:24:58
It's like not my experience. Yeah, yeah. Well, this just didn't call me up and invite me on tour, dude.
00:25:02
I don't know what you're talking about. Okay, this is so cool. All right. You know, kind of like the Arthur Lee thing, the love album.
00:25:08
I want for a little more obscure here. This is the Leuven Brothers, Satan is Real, which look at that.
00:25:12
That looks like a Slayer album cover from like the 1950s or 40s. I love it. It's heavy as hell.
00:25:16
I know this song. It's fucking incredible. It's like a gospel song. Yeah, yeah. About Satan is Real, which is like, they're like anti-Satan, but you could listen to it.
00:25:25
It's a warning. It's very much Satan is real. Watch out what you're doing. I love that.
00:25:30
This is like, feel this. It's heavy. Yeah. This is when music was really weighty.
00:25:36
This is incredible. I'm going to put it on our record wall. We have like the record wall thing.
00:25:40
Nice. So there you go. Thank you so much. I'm going to listen to the Drunkard's Doom by myself.
00:25:47
So good. The Luton brothers are good for that, for sure. And they hate each other and hated each other and wanted to kill each other.
00:25:52
Are they brothers for real? Oh, yeah. There's a Disgrace Land episode coming on the Loom Brothers.
00:25:56
Yes. How long does it take you to, like, because you get deep. You're like, we do a homework podcast, but it's like a week of homework.
00:26:02
It's same. Same? Yeah. But to what Karen was saying earlier, it's a lifelong kind of, you know, baseline education and understanding of this stuff.
00:26:13
And then the week of research is, I kind of know where the bodies are buried, so to speak, and where to look.
00:26:20
And it wasn't always like that. I mean, the first episode took like six months, almost a year to put together just with the first episode, you know, because you're just figuring things out.
00:26:30
You don't know what's what. But, yeah, it's a week to research and then it's a week to write.
00:26:37
And then I don't know how long the guys take to produce it because we have a production cycle.
00:26:42
But, you know, call it a week for that. Guys, don't wave your hands like that. They can see us right now.
00:26:48
People are going like, isn't that? No, are you kidding me? Aristotle would not exist.
00:26:53
Liana walks out. The only reason. Truly the only reason. Thank you, guys. Oh, and I was going to make a confession that I love that merch that you have, your bag, which is basically four of your big stories.
00:27:05
Yeah. I could not finish the big lurch episode. Yeah. It was the most horrifying story.
00:27:12
Yeah, it's pretty horrifying. It's so bad. And I just like, I remember where I was.
00:27:17
It was my old house in the backyard. And then I was just like, oh, no, no, no, I can't do this.
00:27:21
And I was like, I don't really have, you know, as we people who listen to true crime or pay attention to it.
00:27:27
It's like you're used to certain things. That story is so above and beyond. Yeah.
00:27:32
Cannibalism is above and beyond all of it. And it's tough. I've run into that a lot.
00:27:37
I'm coming up on one, actually, that I don't know how I'm going to tell. Gigi Allen?
00:27:40
No, that was that I could get through. That was just feces. I could work my way through that.
00:27:47
Nazis. And yeah. But the Ian Watkins lost profits thing. I've never done anything that involves kids.
00:27:56
He was such a dirtbag. And he died in a way that, you know, I don't like seeing violence being foisted upon anybody.
00:28:03
But it was just, it's a very dramatic story. And it's kind of a current story. Yeah.
00:28:08
Which one is that? I don't know. Lost profits. I haven't done it yet. It's a horrible act of pedophilia that's like so beyond shocking that you're just kind of like, what in the living fuck happened to you?
00:28:18
Exactly. Yeah. it's brutal horrible are there any that you won't do like we have
00:28:22
true crime stories that we just don't cover because it's just the dregs of humanity
00:28:27
and it's the absolute worst and there's no way to like spin it the way we like to do
00:28:30
with like victims advocacy and like making it a story that's somehow palatable yeah
00:28:35
you have those yeah I do I do I have a couple and for various reasons again the kids thing
00:28:42
like everyone's like you should do a Gary Glitter episode I'm like I'm good man I don't want my head now
00:28:46
you know but with the Ian Walken thing I think I know how to do it I've tried doing the Elliot Smith story
00:28:53
I've researched it that ending and there's a lot there that his friends you can just tell there's such love for him
00:29:00
and it's so sad and I'm not saying I won't do it at some point I just don't know how to do it
00:29:05
and have really a reason to do it because I don't have a point of view on it yet
00:29:09
honestly same I've thought about doing it it is literally heartbreaking that's what it was for him for sure
00:29:14
also I feel like he was this entity that was doing a thing from my experience, like the first,
00:29:21
I remember where I was when my friend put that CD in her car, CD player, and was like,
00:29:26
you have to hear this. And then we just sat there like, uh-oh, am I going to sob so hard
00:29:31
I never stop crying? Like, what's happening to me? And later, this is my big brag,
00:29:36
and I'm sure I've told you this already, but he would play at Largo where we would do comedy shows.
00:29:40
So there was crossover. And he came and did, when me and Mary Lynn did Girls Guitar Club,
00:29:45
and he came and was our guest on the show. Oh my God. Just because he was in town and like Flanagan got him to do it or whatever.
00:29:51
And I think we had 18 people in the crowd. It was not a sellout show in any way My friend David still thanks me for like I can believe I was there when I got to see that It like an intimate show Did he play his own songs Yep Oh my God He came and played I was about to have a like I saw him once That doesn even come
00:30:08
But then afterwards, here's my double brag, triple brag, is that afterwards we were standing in the
00:30:14
back because our act that I did with my friend Mary Lynn, it was all just like, play the guitar,
00:30:19
even if you don't know how to. And then we'd like go into a cover where we're barely doing like the
00:30:24
open chords and stuff. Right. And it got a little bit better as it went on. Very obnoxious.
00:30:28
I saw it. I was in the crowd watching you. Not that night, unfortunately. No. Yeah, I know.
00:30:33
You should have come to our Valentine's show. It was really great. You were at the Money, Money, Boston's, or you were at some punk show.
00:30:38
She's in full ska. No. Thank you. No. All I was going to say is that I got to have a conversation with him after because he was
00:30:46
complimenting what we did where I was like, please don't do this. I'll have a nervous breakdown.
00:30:50
And then he started talking to me about how much his voice bothered him and that he didn't like.
00:30:55
And I watched a person who I was like, this is what artists do to themselves. Nothing's good enough.
00:31:02
It's always bad. It's this thing where you think you're disappointed. And him as a person who was the least disappointing performer and musician I felt like I'd ever kind of experienced.
00:31:12
Every time I watched him perform, like when he was on the Oscars. Yeah. And it was like.
00:31:16
So vulnerable. Everyone was so rapt and it was like, and it was perfection. And that song was, it was such a time and place.
00:31:22
And to hear him just being like, I'm sorry, I wish my voice was better. Where I was like, no, no, no, please don't do it.
00:31:28
And that, it inspired me later because I love to pull myself apart and be like, and that's why you don't do anything.
00:31:35
And it's like, if that man did that to himself, like if only he had delusion or whatever it is to just not do that to yourself to keep going, how it could have perhaps been different.
00:31:46
And maybe it's like then he wouldn't have been himself. Right. But it made me later just go, don't shut the door on yourself because you've decided it isn't good when people love it.
00:31:55
Right, right. I love that. Yeah, I love that too. And that's the thing with art.
00:32:00
It's the best art. I don't care what medium it is. It's risky, whether it's a guy who doesn't like his voice but sings like an angel.
00:32:09
or it's a comedian who ends up talking into a microphone all the time and has to push past whatever you're thinking about with your voice.
00:32:18
And I think we all kind of do that. And in some weird cosmic, spiritual, call it whatever you want way,
00:32:25
that risk, the energy of taking that risk ends up in the work. And I feel like it ends up attracting people.
00:32:33
You know what I mean? Like it makes it, I don't know. I don't know. It's magic. That's why you can't define it, you know?
00:32:38
There's like a seventh sense of like, oh, that's a human being actually being a human being.
00:32:43
Right, right. Like right in front of us, like go over there because that's permission.
00:32:47
Then like you're doing it now, I can do it. Yes, exactly. And you can connect with it in a way that's not just like corporate.
00:32:53
Yeah, for real. We were going to play a game. Do you want to do musical Mad Libs?
00:32:58
Sure. Yeah. I've never played musical Mad Libs. I'm a little scared. I'm not going to lie.
00:33:03
Our producer, Kate Schellenbach. I haven't either. You might know her from Luscious Jackson.
00:33:06
You know, it's kind of odd that you have a member of your staff who's actually been in a Disgraceland episode.
00:33:11
When I got connected with her on email, I was like, oh, fuck. Oh, shit. And I Google word searched her name in my Beastie Boys episode just to make sure it was cool.
00:33:21
And thank you, Kate, for being cool. Yeah. That's like our exactly right brag is that Kate Schellenbach works with us.
00:33:28
Yeah. I've been on a thread with my family all day talking about how I was going to hang out with a Beastie Boy.
00:33:32
No offense, guys. Oh, I see. you know get the fuck out of here yeah really okay so
00:33:41
I'm not going to tell you the song obviously and I think what am I doing here what's the
00:33:45
you know Mad Libs have you ever played Mad Libs so I'm just going to ask you for random nouns
00:33:49
the one with the battleships right do you drop the checkers in I'll just be asking you
00:33:55
for forms of the English language and then we're going to be plugging them in and reading new lyrics
00:34:01
to an old song oh it's lyrics am I supposed to know grammar here I know I'll help you
00:34:05
this is where I'm like I'm like, fuck, I'm fucked. Dude, I'm so glad you said it before me.
00:34:10
There's no adverbs, guys. Verb and noun, otherwise cooked. I've written a book, though.
00:34:16
How did that happen? How did you get those words? Editors, editors. Editors. So we are starting with adjective.
00:34:23
Okay, I got you. I think I know that one. That's a description word. Got that. So any kind of descriptor, good, bad, sideways.
00:34:33
Oh, any? Oh, that's right. It's just any. Yeah. What you got? Stinky. Yes. And as like fourth grade as you can be with these words, I think it's more fun in Mad Libs, right?
00:34:47
You have a fourth grader, right? I have a sixth grader and a second grader. Oh, perfect.
00:34:53
Do they like Mad Libs? Have they done this? I don't think they have actually. Come on.
00:34:57
Stop depriving your children. I know. For real. What are you? They don't know that the internet exists yet.
00:35:02
Oh, that's great. We're working up to Mad Libs. Okay. So, well, this next one is good.
00:35:08
Natural disaster. Oh. Any natural disaster or historical natural disaster? Whatever you want.
00:35:14
Hurricane. Okay. Now, body part. Penis. Sure. I figured I would just take it there.
00:35:22
I'm blushing. I'm blushing. Place. You're asking me all these? What about this? I'm just drinking.
00:35:29
I've got your back. You got my plate? Glendale. Sweet. Noun? You go with the noun.
00:35:37
Okay. Let it flow. I can't think of a word. I've never thought of a word in my entire life.
00:35:44
I've never said a word. I don't... Person, place, or thing? I know, but Elvis. Nice.
00:35:51
Jesus fucking Christ. Emotion? Melancholy Deep Direction Oh U melancholy deep direction oh U sure
00:36:05
is that a direction I think it can be absolutely direction another direction reverse
00:36:12
weather phenomenon how's that different than a natural disaster a phenomenon so singular not phenomena
00:36:24
True. Mudslide. Perfect. Person? Jerry Lee. A crime past tense. Murdered. Is this a crossword puzzle?
00:36:41
A living being. Humanoid. That could have been band name too. Oh yeah. Oh true. Object?
00:36:53
Microphone. body part you'd do this one fingernail noun dump truck this is peak podcasting
00:37:06
noun kaleidoscope concept concept black hole there you go shape is it an anagram
00:37:22
is that the weird triangle thank you common shape I should have said a living being again
00:37:32
Jesus I'll do this living being Jesus he's not living Elvis Costello oh yeah Elvis Costello
00:37:44
so you say a dance style interpretive is anyone sweating I'm sweating almost done
00:37:53
This is... Sound effect? Sound effect? Splat. Nice. And finally, Italian last name.
00:38:05
Italian last name. Can I give my wife's maiden name? Yeah. Petralia. Nice. Ready?
00:38:11
Yeah. I'm going to read you now the new lyrics to Bohemian Rhapsody. Is this the stinky life?
00:38:21
Is this just fantasy? caught in a hurricane no escape from reality open your penis
00:38:26
look up to the Glendale and see I'm just a poor Elvis I need no melancholy because I'm easy come
00:38:34
easy go little U-turn little reverse any way the mud slides doesn't really matter
00:38:40
to Jerry Lee Lewis that's true mama just murdered a humanoid put a microphone against his fingernail
00:38:49
pulled my dump truck now he's dead carry kaleidoscope, carry kaleidoscope as if black hole really matters.
00:38:57
Skipping the opera part, going to I see a little triangle O of Elvis Costello. Scaramouche, Scaramouche.
00:39:05
Will you do the interpretive dance? Splat and lightning. Very, very frightening.
00:39:10
Galileo, Galileo, Galileo, Petralia. Aw, it's like a love song to your wife. That is impressive.
00:39:19
I'm actually, so did you guys? I didn't know anything about this. Did you put that together yourself?
00:39:23
You know who did it? Kate? The BC boy herself, Kate Schellenbach. Love that. Nice work, Kate.
00:39:28
Right? Yes. We barely made it out of that one alive. I know. Truly. Listen, when you do a 20-minute game.
00:39:35
I mean, this is like 20 years of podcasting together. That's right. You know, so.
00:39:39
We're doing it all right now. What's your favorite rock memoir? The Rick James memoir.
00:39:46
Oh, wow. Oh, shit. Because you're like, are you fucking kidding me, dude? you're admitting to it like what what are we talking about he didn't it's not an autobiography
00:39:54
um the writer finished it after he died but it's it's just like it's gold like i could have done
00:40:00
10 episodes on rick james yeah it's running drugs for the columbian cartel and literally breaking
00:40:05
out of prison wow just crazy so good crazy the disgraced land out right now is the patty smith
00:40:13
Yes. Which her, I mean, she's the memoir master, actually. And actually, that is a better memoir. The Just Kids is incredible, even though it's, I know you guys have talked about it. I think you've read it. It's more her origin story and her love story.
00:40:31
and then the memoir after that M train which is more her story of being an artist and how she
00:40:39
creates and goes through the process and in in M train actually this fascinating thing that I
00:40:44
never knew about Patti Smith which is amazing she's obsessed with like cheesy crime fiction
00:40:53
oh really fiction just like no like law and order oh the shit we're into like yes fucking CSI
00:41:01
but good stuff like the killing you know and when the killing was cancelled she wrote
00:41:08
to the producers and was like please don't cancel whatever and they were like well we can't do anything
00:41:13
about it but why don't you come on an episode so she went on an episode she was on Law and Order
00:41:16
as well really yeah she's like you know National Book Award winner and literally
00:41:22
we were joking about honorary degrees like all kinds of that she accepted Dylan's
00:41:26
Nobel Peace Prize for him you know like the high priestess of art she's like binging shit crime fiction like like we all do knows what's good she knows what's good
00:41:37
and the thing that as i'm researching her and putting the story together for disgraceland
00:41:42
i'm like she survives you know she lives at the chelsea she lives through the whole punk rock
00:41:47
thing she lives through the 80s and 90s like her the two great loves of her life die she survives
00:41:52
all that has this incredible sort of like late life reaping the fruits of her artistic labor or ways that artists seldom get to do And I looking back and I going oh my gosh
00:42:05
she survived all this crime and violence and drug use and everything that goes along with being a rock star and being an artist
00:42:14
because she was obsessed with artists who were criminals and her mother was obsessed with the Lindbergh kidnapping,
00:42:23
and would talk to her about it. She lives through the Son of Sam. She lives through, you know, Helter Skelter was a huge thing,
00:42:30
even for rock people on the East Coast. Mapplethorpe was obsessed with it. And if she were alive now, or if she were like our age now,
00:42:41
I know she's alive now, she would be like a murderino. She would be my favorite.
00:42:45
She probably is a My Favorite Murderer fan. She probably listens to this bracelet, I don't think.
00:42:49
Could you imagine? Because it's the whole thing of like being aware, right? and I mean I'm looking at your book behind you
00:42:55
stay sexy don't get murdered like that whole thing like I know it's a catchphrase but it's like
00:42:59
there's truth in it like I think so be aware you know so I think her sort of fascination with crime
00:43:05
crime literature how do you pronounce the guy's name the French poet Jean Genet I can't say the correct name
00:43:13
Jean Genet yeah thank you Matt Bowden who is our production guy is French he's going to kill me for portraying that
00:43:21
But he was a criminal and she was friends with Burroughs. Burroughs killed his wife and got away with it.
00:43:29
And I think she just kind of – she had all that stuff, that true crime kind of steeped in her.
00:43:35
And I feel like the knowledge of that somehow, cosmically, spiritually, whatever, it helped her avoid being a casualty.
00:43:43
That's sort of my take on it anyways. And that's – I didn't mean to just give you a whole preview of the episode.
00:43:48
I'm very excited about it right now. Kind of a perfect teaser, though, because it is like it's like, do you like music? Do you like true crime? Do you like both? This is all Patti Smith. Do you like Patti Smith? Do you like New York in the 70s when it was real dirty and difficult?
00:44:02
She was writing Because the Night that her biggest song during The Son of Sam. Just what a time, man. What a time.
00:44:12
Well, Jake, it is truly such an honor to have a podcast as beautifully made and thoughtfully made and made by a talent that isn't just like successful, but also like it does feel like we know you and we've known you for a long time.
00:44:28
We're fans and now we get to like do it with you. And I think it's the dream combination.
00:44:34
And we're so, so genuinely thrilled that this is starting. You feel like one of us.
00:44:39
So welcome to the shit show. I could not be happier to be part of the shit show.
00:44:44
You guys are the gold standard in podcasting and you have been from the beginning.
00:44:49
And I've been a fan literally from the beginning. So what you've built is just unbelievable, guys.
00:44:54
Congratulations. Thank you. And your staff is amazing. The people who work here are great.
00:44:58
Everybody I've worked with has been a delight to work with. They've all been awesome.
00:45:02
And that's a reflection on you guys. And it's really cool. We've got an incredible group over here.
00:45:07
And everyone just like, what's cool is everyone's stoked. And it really feels like there's a sincere love of what we're all doing.
00:45:15
And it's a great team. It's a great team to be on. It's really fun. Happy to be here.
00:45:20
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00:45:27
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00:45:36
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00:45:43
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00:45:50
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00:45:55
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00:46:02
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00:46:08
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00:46:15
Thanks for being here. Thank you. Right on. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. What do I do?
00:46:21
You're saying goodbye. I'm saying goodbye? In your way that you... Oh, yeah. Do it again.
00:46:25
Can I do it again? Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Rock a roll. Yeah. I think we did that last time, and I froze up as well.
00:46:34
It's weird to just point at someone and expect them to know what they're going to think.
00:46:37
now? yeah no that's true body of water that's true Elvis do you want a cookie? what is up Murderinos
00:46:47
fans of the Exactly Right Network and elite podcast listeners everywhere this is Jake Brennan
00:46:53
host of the Disgraceland podcast your new favorite music and true crime podcast a show where every week
00:47:00
I dive into the story of one musical artist and the true crime or crimes that have
00:47:05
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00:47:14
In Disgraceland, we have episodes on over 200 musicians. Sometimes these artists are the victims.
00:47:20
Sometimes they're criminals. Some of these stories are the kind they don't want told.
00:47:25
The kind that are so unbelievable that you're going to end up telling them to someone else.
00:47:29
The story about blondies, Debbie Harry escaping Ted Bundy. about rock and roll pioneer Jerry Lee Lewis,
00:47:34
AKA the killer, allegedly getting away with killing his wife. How Patti Smith isn't just the godmother of punk,
00:47:41
but she's also the OG true crime girl. And of course, stories about the Norwegian
00:47:47
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00:47:52
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00:47:57
and too many wild stories to many. This is the podcast for the music in true crime obsessed new fully scripted episodes with award-winning sound design are released every Tuesday
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