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My favorite world Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. This is a show where we recap our early episodes with case updates, hot take revisions, and all the unlocked memories we can muster.
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Today, we're rewinding to episode 93, which we named Live at the Grove in Anaheim for obvious reasons.
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This episode came out on November 2nd, 2017. Let's listen to the intro of episode 93.
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Yeah, that's right. That was scary. We should have done it in the dark. We should do the whole thing in the dark.
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What's up in the home? That was scary. If it was Friday the 13th still, it would make sense.
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I know. It's not. It's just Saturday the 14th. No big deal. Everything's super chill. How's it going you guys?
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Us too! Us too. Us too for real. Samesies. We're glad to see all your faces and that you're safe and sane.
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In this crazy world. The Dodgers. We could be talking about... What'd you say? The Dodgers. What? I don't know.
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We're right by a baseball thing. You guys. Am I right about the Dodgers or am I right?
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That was pandering. You're welcome. You have to back it up somehow? No, they've gone nine for 17 this year.
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I don't know what that is. We were just standing in the back in the green room and there's a big screen TV with the game on
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and we were both staring at it trying to figure out if the game was over yet. I was trying to tell Georgia that everything we were watching were automatic replays.
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I was like, no, this is a replay. And this is also a replay as well. I don't think so.
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I think it's still happening. Georgia's like, it looks live. It looks really live to me.
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I'm like, that's how they do it. Why would they replay that? They just use replays all the time.
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And then Vince was yelling at the TV, telling it what? Sports. We fucking love sports, don't we, murderinos?
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Yeah. There's a tiny baby. What's that? A tiny baby with headphones. Take those headphones off.
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Hi, baby. Let's teach them some swear words. What you doing? We have terrible stories to tell you.
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Get ready for the world. Hi, baby. Hi, Fred. Hi. Nope, can't see this far yet. What if we did this for like, we said this for nine full minutes.
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Boop, boop, boop, boop. Hey. Nope, doesn't care. Doesn't give a single shit. Fair enough.
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We got the rest of you. Guys, Georgia's kind of a local girl. I hope you know that.
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I forgot about that, and now I'm nervous. My sister wanted me to ask if anyone went to school with me
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or got high with me, who's here tonight. I don't think so. We can't remember. Someone over there.
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They're liars. There is the wife of someone that I used to go to raves with here, supposedly.
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So that's kind of cool. I mean, is it, though? No Remember those pants Come on you guys We don have to pretend it cool Just the past We saw the apartment Georgia grew up in
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Mm-hmm. She was getting knocked on the door. I had to pee! Hi, um, what's up? How's your day going? Can we look through your house?
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Can I cry and walk through your house at the same time? You're going to work through some serious issues in your living room.
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Do you have time? My therapist told me just to lay down in a fetal position in the place I grew up in and I'll be better.
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So do you mind if I come in? Is the carpet still shag carpet from the 70s even though it's 20 years later?
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Yes. Oh, fuck. What color? Brown. Yeah. Oh, my God. Brown like all the rest of the city.
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Dude, right? Irvine. It's the biggest fucking city I've ever seen in my life. no wonder i'm like fucking crazy and like got everything pierced and tattooed and like ran
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to la immediately yeah that's nice i have to say there's something very soothing about it though
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because you're just like oh we're at that same apartment complex no it's a 7-eleven
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nope nope sorry it's a grammar school i see even my high school was fucking tan and
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stucco everything's stucco it's really nice you guys this is not insulting to you at all
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I don't mean Anaheim we're talking specific yeah Anaheim's chill as fuck you got that big
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Disneyland thing just name shit that's around the city you have a really good Burger King
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it's fast they're friendly delicious it's cheap somehow cheaper than the other Burger Kings
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there's the good Burger King by the freeway and then there's that gross Burger King
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that's out by that field. Don't go there. Ew. We are staying at a hotel close by
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and it's one of those hotels where I think the families go to Disneyland for like a week
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so they have to stay in the place that has a kitchen but it's like a tiny hotel room
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and they all fucking are so sick of each other and hate each other. It was... It's like the family fight inn over there.
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It's just... Is that lady going out into the hallway to fight with her child? because it was like a Doppler effect of like,
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there was one lady that was just standing there going, Lucy? Lucy? But angrier. Lucy!
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She did it like 12 times. Yeah, we were sitting in the room like working on our stories
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and then we would just start laughing because it was like, in the other room. It's pretty great.
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You don't deserve Disneyland! And then it just makes you think of all those family vacations
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and the reality of them is everyone fucking hated each other. They hate each other.
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Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, my first trip to Disneyland, age five, fifth birthday, thank you, that's not why we went.
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What? It was just a coincidence. They actually played it down. Families are the worst.
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I love it. Because it was also Mother's Day weekend, so it was our family and the Mazzoni family and then my grandma Grace.
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and one of the first rides we went on was Pirates of the Caribbean. And I can remember this like it was yesterday.
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I was sitting in front of my dad. The second we went through the restaurant lagoon where everything is chill
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and you go down that very small hill to go into the rest of the very chill ride.
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There's something, I didn't like how dark it was. There's also a skeleton talking to you about shit, man.
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It's not for five-year-olds on their birthday. No. And so I just started screaming.
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Of course. And I wouldn't stop screaming. And my dad, I remember my dad being in my ear and he kept pointing.
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There's like a little girl that was sitting, I can't, next to us in the boat or ahead or she was in a different, I can't remember.
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But he just kept pointing at her going, she's not screaming. Look at her, she's not screaming at all.
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Just shaming you. So when we got out of Pirates of the Caribbean, we got into the line for the Jungle Cruise.
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but I thought my parents were taking me back onto Pirates of the Caribbean. So I got the fuck out of there and I failed.
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And I was lost for three hours in Disneyland. Shut up. Yeah. Were they like, let her go.
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Yeah. I walked around by myself until I found a guy dressed like an old fashioned cop.
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And then I said, my family is lost. And they brought me to a tiny house that was child size.
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And that's when I knew things were, bad things were about to start happening. I was like, oh no, here's, this is the end of the thing where now adults come into play.
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Or here's where you live forever. You live here now. Oh my God. Sorry. You have to eat this whole gingerbread house for the rest of your life.
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I just remember my dad coming in the door of the lost child's house like this, like,
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get over here, like a true monster. So pissed. And apparently while I was gone, my grandmother, all my grandmother would say to my mother is, I knew you'd lose her.
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Ouch. Ouch. So just fun, healthy times at Disneyland. When I was a kid, we would, every Christmas, all the Jews and all the Muslims would go to Disneyland because there was nobody there.
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It was like awesome. And we were all like, we were all friends and we were high-fiving each other.
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Like it was like we came together on Christmas. It was so great. That's actually Walt Disney's dream.
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Yeah. He was very low key about how much he wanted Jews and Muslims to come together.
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It was his real fantasy. We were all like, fuck Christmas, let's go to Disneyland.
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Yeah. Yeah. And then Chinese food together. Right? Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty fun.
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And then the last I tried to take Vince twice to Disneyland He never been because he from you know and we walked in walked and we keep accidentally going on like a day you know like a someone day or a something day and then it like so crowded that I have a panic attack and so then we just go and get drunk at the tiki bar
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Yes! And it's amazing! Yes! Fuck it! That's what those bars are for. Their seats go up and down, and you're like, what's happening? It's so fun!
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That's pretty great. Oh, I miss getting drunk at Disneyland. You need a minute? I mean, can I just go back real quick to 1997?
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Oh, you're so good at it. I'm just saying, as a blackout drunk, you wouldn't have known until I fell down onto your shoes
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that I was a blackout drunk. Because I just fucking, I didn't slurred. I didn't try to tell you a fucking secret the whole time.
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I handled my shit. You know what I mean? I made it work for everybody. It was like I cared about others also being drunk.
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You described me. I slur and I tell secrets to everyone. It's all I do. Yeah. I just didn't talk to you for myself.
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And then you go, I'm slurring. I'm not that drunk. Stop it. Stop it. Come here. Also, when you're in drunk time,
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it takes so much fucking longer. That's the problem. Most problem I have with being sober is just waiting for drunk people to get around to it.
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Or just like, let's pick up the pace. We don't have forever. Tell your secret now.
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Georgia, we have two rugs in Anaheim. Oh, my God. Oh, my. We each have our own rug.
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Holy shit. Don't touch mine. Karen. Plus. Get off. Stop it. My grandma made this one and Karen's grandma made that one.
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And they come with us on tour. It's pretty special. You guys. There's a, there's a sesame seed on yours.
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Oh, I'll get it. Oh my God. What was the thing you, you walked into the bathroom and dropped food on the bathroom floor.
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And then Georgia goes, five second rule. If it drops on the bathroom floor, you have to eat it.
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what if that was and then i did it yeah that's the new rule you know what it was so someone voodoo
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someone brought us donuts oh um zombie donuts zombie donuts thank you thank you thank you for
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is that you thank you oh no a real zombie you guys get out of here at your own pace it's not
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a rush because they're very slow um that was amazing thank you i ate two and a half donuts
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And then there was the one Why do people keep bringing us donuts? I don't know I just
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I'm going to turn into fucking Violet Beauregard pretty soon It's not good Someone yesterday
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At the San Diego show Brought us this like Gorgeous coffin box It was so beautiful
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The most gorgeous coffin I know it's weird And inside were these little truffles
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That she had handmade Of those peanut butter balls Peanut butter balls With the Rice Krispies inside of them
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Classic grandma Christmas dessert that you eat 70 of and then you're like, what happened to me?
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And each one had a little, like a little frosting hatchet on it. Like a doot. It was so cute.
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Like a doot. Like a little doot. I was like, is this hatchet killing the brown head of the peanut butter?
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But like, what is this violence? And Georgia's like, it's just a hatchet. Yeah. You're overthinking the hatchet.
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You don't need a reason to put a hatchet on a peanut butter ball. I feel like at this point in this podcast, how are you surprised that there's a hatchet on a peanut ball?
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I'm like, what's the storyline of this hatchet? Get the symbolism. We were going to eat them all in the hotel for sure.
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For sure. Well, they were in my bag. So I was like being very, you know, people bring us lovely, lovely presents.
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And then we try to divide them up just so we can carry, everyone has to carry their own shit.
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And I was like, oh, the coffin's in my bag. It looks like I'm going to be eating 50 peanut butter balls tonight.
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Oh, well, I guess that's fate. And then as we're standing to walk out of the theater, the bag just rips.
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I wasn't even moving. It was like God himself came down and was like, don't do that.
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Come on. We couldn't save them. We couldn't. We tried. But we got a picture of it.
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That's all that matters. The baby is laughing. Oh, my God. No, that was a fart. You're laughing
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He loves peanut butter balls Get up here Is he laughing at me? That means we're pretty
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When babies laugh They think you're pretty I'm serious You don't know that You didn't know that rule?
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I'm so sad Why am I so desperate? Oh shit Peanut butter balls Oh yeah Do we have actual information?
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Oh yeah Oh this is my favorite murder Oh yeah Do you like that's the information we have to i we might need to move that up to the top no i like when
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we say it when we say something terrible and then we introduce it that's your kill gareth by the way
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oh yes thank you this is georgia hartstark by the way thank you local girl extraordinaire
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thank you what did you call me extraordinaire local girl extraordinaire thank you yes i called
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you dirty slut extraordinaire. Oh my God, thank you. Don't use that word. Don't use that word.
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There's got to be something. I know something. What? His name is Steven. Oh, that's right.
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He is the one. Look at him. Steven! Local boy Local boys Stephen Ray Morris Where are you from I from Anaheim Oh my God That where we are right now
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Oh my God. So we're here. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited. I'm here. Oh my God.
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The last time I was here, I saw Michelle Branch. Oh my God. Her? Stephen's crying in the back row.
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No, this is my story. I have to ask, did anyone go to high school Do drugs with Stephen?
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No? No Let's start asking the audience questions They can't answer Oh yeah, you're right, you're right
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I went for two years and then I moved away Say hi to all your friends Oh, you know who is here?
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Stephen's dad Oh my god! Hi dad, somewhere Hi Are you proud of your son? Are you proud of your son?
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Are you happy? No, he disappoints me. Look what you did to him. All right, go away.
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Go away. That guy. That guy. What a guy. He makes it happen. What? I can't hear you.
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Really? What? He makes it happen. Is this a professional show is when the other person keeps going, what?
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What? Sorry, what was your joke? I want to laugh too. Listen, these shoes, I can wear them for an hour and 20 minutes, so we better get this show fucking going.
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Yeah, how about you do just a quick walk? Yeah. Oh, my. It gets weirder every time because I'm so uncomfortable doing it.
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Why don't you go, Karen? Oh. Thank you. Why, I don't like high heels. Look at those sleeves.
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Thank you. Thanks so much. Oh, that side really liked my high heels. It's kind of upsetting.
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Let's play the game of how high do our Spanx go tonight. Oh, okay. Whoever goes the highest wins.
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They should make Spanx that color coordinate with your skin tone and hair color.
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And you just fucking pull that thing all the way up. Just get in like a sleeping bag, but really tight.
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And just be like, how do you like me now? They got fake eyelashes on them so you look like a person.
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Then you just start stabbing strangers. Yeah. That's the only thing people would use that for.
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Yeah. I think we just got into the topic of the podcast, which is murder. Because that doesn't...
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That's right. That's a little too close. Are we there? Are you saying you want to sit down?
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Sure. Let's do it. Oh. Why, look at you. Oh. That's a nice, wide seat. thank god with some spinning action on the chair hey hello it's gonna be distracting
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oh just all the way right bye bye karen hey that's good action that's good english
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can you go all the way around on yours can you hey can you go all the way around on me you
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What if everyone had this chair? It would be the best show ever. You would not be distracting.
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It would not. Everyone would have the best time. Looks like this is the perfect height to read each other's palms.
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You're like, wash your hands. Wash your hands. Why don't you wash your hands? You need lotion.
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your cuticles are horrifying and we're back this is a show we talk about a lot because it was my first hometown show
00:21:51
that's right you we had done san francisco and oakland so you had had your family and friends
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there and so we did my hometown and so i had nobody i knew there except for steven oh but
00:22:02
your family didn't that wasn't a show they chose to come to no is la is the family show well i love
00:22:08
that because then you got to do it and you got to have your hometown experience without being
00:22:12
worried about all the other people and their feedback and all the right right all that it
00:22:17
was just like you got to have a very singular experience for yourself totally yeah it was fun
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and anaheim's cool irvine's not so it did feel like you know it was good i mean it was for me
00:22:27
more than good and more than fun. I remember that show. Literally, I remember the room rocking back
00:22:32
and forth. It was so loud and active. And that audience was so into every second of every moment.
00:22:42
It was crazy. Yeah. And I think the two stories we did were like pretty epic for that city. Like
00:22:48
we just, it was too good. Like so good. Yeah. Really fun. Should we get right into it? Sure.
00:22:56
All right. Let's get into Karen's story about Daniel Wozniak. Hey, everyone. It's Cal Penn, host of Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club.
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My first book was Divergent. And when that came out, like, because it was so popular, I think it attracted like mostly positivity.
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But the negativity, I sucked in like a sponge. And I think it was like critiques of things I liked when I was like, you know, I was 23 and I wrote this book.
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And it had all my like dorky little cheesy or maybe unrealistic loves in it. And I started to feel a lot of shame about those things.
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And so for the rest of my career, I steered away from those little things that like make you feel pleasure when you read.
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Okay. And this story is super fucked, as they always are. Right? And you probably know it.
00:26:10
This is the murders of Sam Hare and Julie Kubishi. Oh, yeah. That's fucked up shit.
00:26:17
This is fucked up shit. mostly because it involves community theater. You know there's a problem.
00:26:29
Okay. 26-year-old Sam Hare and his family were very close. He had recently returned from serving in Afghanistan in the Army.
00:26:38
His family is thrilled to have him home. He started a new life for himself. He enrolled in Orange Coast College.
00:26:45
and, right, an amazing, amazing learning facility out on the coast. My sister went there.
00:26:53
Oh, really? For a bit, yeah. What were the, do you know their mascot? Orange County?
00:26:59
I don't know. Oranges. Just the shape of the county on a shirt? Go fighting counties.
00:27:05
I don't know if they even had a sports program, did they? I'm wrong. Whatever. All right, okay.
00:27:11
Go on. What about, is it just the beiges? The fighting beige. Okay. He also moved into the Camden Martinique apartment complex in Costa Mesa.
00:27:23
And it was totally from the, you know, 2020s and the murder shows that I've watched.
00:27:28
It was one of those apartment complexes where it's just a bunch of young people fucking hanging out by the pool drinking Miller Lite.
00:27:35
Someone just realized that they live in that apartment building. Oh, really? I heard her go, oh, shit, or something.
00:27:40
so they're just having a really public and loud response to that the fucking martinique
00:27:48
i left my bike there okay um so sam makes plans to visit his parents for the weekend and when he doesn't show up his
00:28:02
dad steve immediately knows something's wrong um because the family's super close and he's a super
00:28:08
responsible person that doesn't just flake out on things. So he calls Sam's phone over and over
00:28:12
and Sam's phone seems to be off, which Steve knew that there was a problem with that because he
00:28:18
never, ever turned his phone off. So finally, around nine o'clock at night, he decides to drive
00:28:24
over to Costa Mesa to check on his son. So when he gets to the apartment, he had a key to the
00:28:32
apartment as well. He left himself in. It's silent. He's calling Sam's name. There's no one there.
00:28:37
He's walking around the house and checking every room. And he finally goes into Sam's bedroom.
00:28:41
And he finds the dead body of a woman who's kneeling on the floor, leaning over the bed with blood all around her upper body.
00:28:51
And he immediately calls the police. And Sam is not there. And so the police question him and ask him what's going on.
00:29:01
And he was like, there's no way my son has anything to do with this. This is not who he is or what he does.
00:29:06
and they eventually find out when they go in to investigate and look at the body, her pants
00:29:13
have been cut from the waistband down through the butt, through the seat so that her butt
00:29:19
was exposed and on the back of her shirt, someone wrote all yours, fuck you. There were no signs of
00:29:27
a struggle in the apartment. It was just that body and that horrible scene. They found her purse there
00:29:34
and they make the ID. She's 23-year-old Julie Kibu Ishii. She had been Sam's tutor in anthropology.
00:29:43
That's how they met and they'd become really good friends. And they were not romantically involved.
00:29:47
They were just close friends. So Detective Jose Morales and Lieutenant Ed Everett
00:29:54
with the Costa Mesa Police are looking at the scene and they worried that what happening is that Sam from his military background has PTSD and he snapped and killed Julie
00:30:06
And now he's on the run. That's what they're putting together. And of course, Steve Hare was assuring them that he did not and he was really happy and he was doing really well.
00:30:15
But that's when they find out that Sam's passport is missing, they are like, he's on the run.
00:30:21
Right. So as they're processing his apartment as a crime scene, they come upon a wedding invitation.
00:30:30
And it's from Sam's neighbors, 32 year old Daniel Wozniak and his fiance, Michelle Buffett.
00:30:35
Sorry, Rachel Buffett. So they go to interview them. And Dan and Rachel tell the police what every other interview eventually tells them, which is that Sam was kind.
00:30:46
He was caring. He was really energetic. Everyone liked him. He made friends really quickly.
00:30:51
Um, and you know, he was like a popular guy in the apartment complex. Um, so two days later, the autopsy comes back on Julie's body and there's a couple surprises.
00:31:03
Um, she had not been sexually assaulted, um, which made them believe this probably was a
00:31:09
stage scene in some way that along with the fact that there was no, um, there didn't seem
00:31:14
to be a struggle. There was nothing knocked over. There was, it wasn't like that.
00:31:19
on top of that they had only seen one um one bullet wound in her head so they assumed she
00:31:27
was just shot once in the head but the autopsy came back she'd actually been shot twice in the
00:31:32
head and they just couldn't see the second wound because they were so close to each other
00:31:36
um so meanwhile sam's dad steve is doing his own detective work because they shared um a bank
00:31:45
account that they had set up before Sam went to Afghanistan. Right. So that his checks from the
00:31:50
army could just get direct deposited or whatever. I don't know if they were direct deposited, but
00:31:54
you know, some way conveniently put into the bank. Does army have direct deposit? I'm not sure. And
00:32:00
those are the kinds of things that I add in just cause I think it sounds right. And then later on
00:32:05
people are like, excuse me, the army stance against direct deposit. And then I'm like, sorry,
00:32:10
We'll make an announcement on the next show. So let us know. Yeah. All right. Please.
00:32:17
But only through a handwritten letter. Or direct deposit. Or direct deposit right into our brains.
00:32:24
That's fine too. So it turned out that Sam had saved $62,000 while he was overseas.
00:32:33
And Steve is monitoring the bank account. He sees that someone starts to use the ATM card in Long Beach.
00:32:40
and taking cash out of the bank and also ordering pizza. Yeah. You know what you do with an ATM card.
00:32:50
So he brings all that information, the record and all that to the police. And when they check the security camera footage at the bank where the activity took place,
00:32:59
the picture of the guy using the ATM card is not Sam. Because they think Sam's on the run and he's just trying to go to a different city and get money.
00:33:07
But it's not him. It's a teenager. A teenager wearing a hoodie and big sunglasses.
00:33:13
So they trace the pizza order to this house in Long Beach. And then they stake out the house when they know that a second pizza order...
00:33:24
Is someone screaming? Don't ask. Is it barfing? Okay. I mean, we've had that more times than screaming.
00:33:32
You're allowed to barf in the aisles and then crawl out. Yeah. It's happened before.
00:33:36
But no screaming. Just don't scream. Listen. Okay, so they go and they stake out this house in Long Beach.
00:33:43
And because they heard that another pizza order was coming. So then the pizza guy is walking up.
00:33:49
And the cops pull him into a van, grab his outfit. Yoink. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's like fucking naked gun situation.
00:33:57
It's a little nuts. But they're like, we're going in undercover pizza style. And they put on his gross shirt and walk up to deliver the pizza.
00:34:08
And when the door opens, the SWAT team just fucking goes into this house. And it turns out 16-year-old Wesley Freilich and his friends are there playing video games and wanting to eat pizza.
00:34:23
And I'm sure smoking a ton of weed. So immediately he spills it to the police because it was like his mom was in her room.
00:34:33
Oh, my God. He was in so much trouble, you guys. But it turned out, he says, a guy had hired him to go extract money from the ATM every day.
00:34:47
And the guy told him he was a bail bondsman and the account belonged to a criminal that he had just arrested.
00:34:54
And he was just getting his money back from the bond. But he needed, right? He needed Wesley to take it out.
00:35:01
Since he was a minor, he couldn't be charged for that. and the police are like who the fuck is this guy and uh wesley says oh it's someone my mom met at
00:35:13
community theater daniel wozniak the guy who had invited sam to his wedding um so
00:35:21
on may 26th the police pick up daniel at his bachelor party oh shit yeah they bus ride in
00:35:31
They waited on purpose for that. And then they waited while they were in the bachelor party.
00:35:36
They're like, we're about to totally fucking arrest you. What's that? Can I get two of those?
00:35:41
Or what if they came in and, listen, they came in in cop outfits. It writes itself.
00:35:49
You're all under arrest for being too sexy. Do you know that happened to me once?
00:35:54
What You got arrested for being too sexy Yeah I didn want to tell you because I had my record It fine No On my 35th birthday at work my friends my friends who I worked with hired a stripper
00:36:13
And so in our morning meeting at the Ellen DeGeneres show, we're sitting in her office.
00:36:20
Really sexy setting. The sexiest of settings. we're in the office and an insanely hot guy wearing a police uniform that's open,
00:36:30
the button is open down to there. It's a telltale sign. And he comes and he's like,
00:36:36
he had this insane accent. He was just like, does somebody have a Lexus? And I was like, what'd that guy say? And they're like, it's hers. It's her Lexus.
00:36:46
Oh my God. I was like, what? And he was, it was like, he was dressed like a cop,
00:36:50
but he was kind of pretending to be a meter maid. Like it didn't make, he didn't think the story through of what the trick was.
00:36:58
And then he came in and just started freaking me. And it was 11 a.m., everybody.
00:37:05
So inappropriate. It went on and on. I was like, I can't fight this. I want to fight it.
00:37:09
I can't. I just have to kind of relax into it. And basically he, at one point near the end, he picked me up
00:37:18
and then he laid me down on the couch. and then began to simulate that he was going to go down on me.
00:37:23
And I was like, this is my job. Like, we can't do this here. And so I just leaned down and I grabbed his head and I go, that's enough.
00:37:34
Yeah. Yeah. That's right. So for your best friend's next birthday, I highly recommend hiring a secret stripper.
00:37:45
Okay. why were we talking about that oh yeah back to the murder jesus okay because we're monsters yeah um i will take any fucking random noun and be like oh wait can i
00:38:07
tell you one thing. Um, okay. So they bring Daniel into the station to question him and, um,
00:38:17
they show him the picture of Wesley in front of the ATM machine and he goes pale. And so he goes,
00:38:25
all right, I'll tell you everything. So he says that he and Sam had this idea that they were going
00:38:31
to take the money out of his, out of his checking account or his account, which it could have been
00:38:36
savings, um, out of his bank account, bank. Um, they were going to take all that 62 grand,
00:38:45
I believe it was out of the account. Um, and then Sam was going to claim fraud and then,
00:38:51
Oh, it was the baby. I get it. We're not mad at your baby. Um, uh, then he, they were going to
00:38:57
claim fraud and then, then the bank would have to return the money. So he's saying that the dude
00:39:03
who's supposedly on the run is in on it. Yes, exactly. Basically, they had this plan together
00:39:08
that they were going to steal this money and ultimately make like $120,000 or whatever.
00:39:13
But then he said that Sam called him the night of the 22nd and said, I did something bad
00:39:19
and then told him that he murdered Julie. Jesus. And so the police were like, okay,
00:39:24
they're kind of trying to put it together and see if it syncs up with the evidence that they have.
00:39:29
and at one point they ask Daniel for DNA and he kind of like, his face changes a little bit
00:39:37
and then he's like, well, I was in the apartment. And then they're like, oh, do tell.
00:39:42
And he says, quote, yes, I saw the goddamn body. Is that what you want to hear? Community theater.
00:39:52
I don't think in the real world ever anyone has ever asked someone a question or told somebody something and yelled,
00:39:58
is that what you want to hear? Like you just are saying it. You don't give a shit if they want to hear it or not
00:40:04
if you're trying to tell them. That has like a Cagney accent to it. Yeah, that's like,
00:40:08
see, hey. Yeah. Yeah. It's fakey fakers. Is that, okay. Yes, I saw the goddamn body.
00:40:17
Is that what you want to hear? Coppers. Lime. No, no. Coppers. Lime. Then he says,
00:40:26
I saw the two, Got gunshots to the head. And the police are like, Donuts. You're under arrest.
00:40:38
Because there's no way anybody in the world, their experienced police who were on the scene
00:40:44
didn't know it was two gunshots until the autopsy came back. So they're like, he was there.
00:40:48
He knows what happened. So when they tell him that, he just blurts out, I'm crazy and I did it.
00:40:56
I killed them both. So, here's what the truth of all of it was. And this is just, I mean...
00:41:05
So, he's broke, of course. He hasn't paid his rent in months. And he didn't have a job of any kind except for taking roles in community theater.
00:41:18
That's not a job. It's not. Officer. It's a passion. Sure. It's definitely an art.
00:41:26
It's an art form for some. um but that don't pay uh so he basically was going further and further into debt
00:41:37
um and they they said he was from it like a well a relatively well-to-do family so it could have
00:41:42
been that thing where like he's so spoiled that he's like like it'll work out he kept get like
00:41:47
it'll work outing it that's i'm that's based on my own experience um we were just kind of like
00:41:54
something will come and catch me on the wet Uh But the other thing was he had proposed to his girlfriend so they had a wedding and a honeymoon coming up He had zero dollars and at some point
00:42:08
he found out from Sam that Sam had 62 grand, and then he was like, well, I want that money.
00:42:15
And so he fucking makes this plan where he lures Sam, his light, fuck, Daniel Wozniak's
00:42:24
light opera company had played at, I respect it. I do. There's opera singers are the most talented
00:42:32
people on the planet. Light opera, not as good. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Um,
00:42:37
they had done a show in the Los Alamitos joint forces training base, right? Such good light
00:42:45
opera there, right? And he asked Sam if he would come and help him move some boxes that were up in
00:42:52
the attic they go up into the attic that's right they go up into the attic he leans down and daniel
00:42:59
shoots sam in the back and then daniel shot him again and killed him um hours later at the hunger
00:43:09
artists theater company he played the lead in the musical nine what the fuck yeah he went from that
00:43:15
to a lead. Just right on stage. He took all that fucking, being a sociopath, and he brought it to
00:43:23
the people. Oh my God. Hours later. What the fuck? And he was in that play with his fiance. Wow.
00:43:31
Oh, Stephen, sorry. We have pictures of this. Do you have pictures of that? Yes.
00:43:36
That's them in that play. What a dish. What? I don't know Nine that well. Is that the one with that
00:43:41
song? Nine. you're asking someone who can't sing or sit through a musical but what's the answer yes okay
00:43:51
um what's his okay go on sorry what nothing you this girl was his fiancee in on it
00:43:57
what that's i think that's why i said never mind that's what everybody wants to know you're
00:44:01
telling the story yeah i get it's cool uh it's fun to jump ahead but here because this is the most horrible part he after he was in that play then he went
00:44:12
back the next day to the attic where he had left the body and dismembered it. And then left
00:44:19
Sam's body parts in Long Beach Park. Yeah. So, then, shortly after midnight, the next
00:44:28
night, he texts Julie Kibuishi with Sam Harris' phone and says, I'm having problems with my
00:44:36
family. I need to see you now. Please come over now. he lures Julie to Sam's apartment, murders her there, and stages it to look like Sam snapped and murdered her and then ran.
00:44:49
And then got this boy to start taking money out of the bank account, like $800 at a time.
00:44:57
What the fuck? What a fucking bad plan. Yeah. All around, obviously, but insane.
00:45:05
Jesus. So after his interrogation, he asked if he can use the phone to call his fiance.
00:45:12
Okay. And the thing that I learned in this, I believe it was an ID channel show.
00:45:19
I think it was called The Perfect Crime. And they taught me that when you make a phone call not to your lawyer, but to anybody else in the police station, they can record it.
00:45:30
I mean, yeah. Like, I've never been arrested, and I would expect that to be a thing.
00:45:36
Well, poor Daniel didn't know. So he was like, hey, you can't tell Tim you can't, that backpack Tim has, you can't give it to the police.
00:45:46
And she's like, I'm going to give it to the police. And he's like, well, if you do, I'm doomed.
00:45:51
And then she did. And inside the backpack was the murder weapon and Sam Hare's bloody clothes.
00:45:59
Yeah. His trial lasted five days. he was convicted by a jury in December of first degree murder
00:46:07
for killing both Sam Hare and Julie Kibishi and he was given the death penalty and he is now in San Quentin
00:46:15
wow the fucking death penalty yeah I mean that was rough it's awful yeah let's think about it for a minute
00:46:29
no and we're back karen do you have any updates there are a couple updates in 2021 it was reported
00:46:40
daniel wozniak was moved from san quentin to a lower security california prison because he was
00:46:46
in a pilot program for death row inmates including rehabilitation and restitution minded work
00:46:52
programs as you can imagine victim sam harris father steve was furious when he heard this
00:46:59
saying, quote, it was a kick in the gut. It would have been nice for them to at least notify me.
00:47:05
And then he said, here's the rest of the quote, but it's pretty awful, but it's so
00:47:09
real for like a victim's family member. He ends that quote by saying, if I could,
00:47:13
I would kill him myself, but that isn't going to happen. So I want the harshest possible penalty.
00:47:18
End quote. I can't. It's so hard that I don't even think about it too much because it'll drive
00:47:23
me crazy when, you know. Yeah. Because a lot of times it feels like, you know, there's the
00:47:28
individual cases, right? There's people who are like, I was in a bank robbery and I accidentally
00:47:33
killed the security guard and I didn't want to, but I shouldn't have been there, blah.
00:47:36
There's all these different types of murder, but that kind of like first degree someone plotted.
00:47:43
Purposeful. Yeah. And then it really feels like that should be off in another area with another
00:47:49
kind of like, is there rehabilitation possible? And sometimes the answer is yes. It's just the
00:47:55
The constant thing I think we talk about where it's like the benefit of the doubt is always being given to these usually needs.
00:48:00
men who have just committed atrocities. And meanwhile, the victim's family isn't even getting
00:48:05
a phone call. It's fucking insane. Yeah. Also, Rachel Buffett, who was convicted as an accessory
00:48:11
after the fact to this murder in late 2018, that was six years after she was initially charged.
00:48:18
She then served a short sentence and was released in 2019. Although she continues to maintain her
00:48:23
innocence, she claims that she was fooled by Wozniak, and that's why she was involved.
00:48:28
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pets age zero to ten. Eyes on me. um all right well i cheated you know when um just let me get that right off the what if you just
00:51:24
start reading your own poetry you're like look um here's the thing that i want to get to first
00:51:30
is that i'm pretty sure there wasn't paper in the printer when they printed this because i'm
00:51:36
missing a paper vince because what you're missing a paper paper okay okay steven can you get us page
00:51:42
number three stat. In the meantime. We just got a very official wave. Yeah. The backstage is all abuzz right now.
00:51:51
Someone's getting fired. Stan, it's you. We're going to have a staff meeting at the end of the show.
00:51:59
Pacing back and forth. Yeah. But I can start. Well, you know what? Really quick,
00:52:04
can I ask you a couple questions about Anaheim? No. I mean Irvine? No. Okay. Should we just sit in silence?
00:52:12
No, I can start. Okay. So you know how we're all into true crime, but we all have these weird sidebar things
00:52:19
that we're into that have the same thing to do with true crime, but are adjacent.
00:52:23
You and I, our first friend conversation was about a car accident. Yes. And I was like, tell me everything, because I'm fascinated by horrible things happening.
00:52:31
In case they happen to me, I'll be ready. Yeah. So one of those things for me is this.
00:52:36
And so I found out we were in Anaheim. I was like, oh good, I can finally share this weird passion with everyone.
00:52:42
Not passion, fascination. Because when I worked at it, I just used to read this all the time.
00:52:47
And when Snopes came along, I was like, thank God. Because this is the deaths that have happened at Disneyland.
00:52:53
Yes! Really? Yes! I was so scared! Yes! Fucking tear those walls down. Tell us everything those motherfuckers are doing.
00:53:07
Oh, thank you. We want to know. I come get pulled off stage. Like Mickey and Minnie.
00:53:13
These huge mice are coming for us. Under the, yeah, I was really, as I came out here, I was like, wait a second.
00:53:19
What if they all have good childhood memories of Disneyland and they're mad at me?
00:53:22
Look who's here, everybody. Yeah. Thank you. Say hi to Vince. That's Vince. That's him.
00:53:30
Do you know what he just said to me? What, something dirty? No. He said, you got to check that shit.
00:53:36
Like backstage, like it's my fault. I'm sorry. He's keeping you real. He's keeping your feet on the ground.
00:53:44
I'm busy with a podcast. Oh, oh, and nevermind. I'm just not going to, let's be friends.
00:53:49
Let's all be friends. Let's the same first. It's just two of the first pages. You know what?
00:53:54
This is on. We are a classy podcast You know it hilarious This is our actual job Oh my god you guys it how we paid for a living can you do it very we appreciate that thank you this about this is
00:54:08
about as thorough as we need to be on this podcast yeah this is our job you're enabling us
00:54:13
all right and thank you for that i'm so excited because this is like i fucking love this shit and i'm accompanying it with some vintage vintage disneyland photos which
00:54:24
Nice. And after that, we all get on a bus to Disneyland. They're corn dogs, you guys.
00:54:32
Okay. So, you know. So nine guests have been killed on Disneyland attractions since the park opened in 1955.
00:54:43
All the deaths except for two were the result of guests who apparently ignored safety instructions
00:54:49
and or defeated Ryd's safety. Like it's like they defeated them. Like they were superheroes and they're like, you know, like maybe get better fucking safety
00:54:58
mechanisms. I mean, that sounds like some Disney lawyer bullshit right there. That definitely sounds like.
00:55:03
Apparently this child defeated the safety mechanism. Very strong upper body and a will to die.
00:55:10
What are you talking about? That's exactly it. It's called, what do they call it?
00:55:15
Spin? Sure. All right. Wagging the dog? You know, you know. Okay. So here's the first one.
00:55:23
May 1964, Mark Maples. He's a 15-year-old Long Beach resident. But wait. He's killed, I told you,
00:55:33
when he tried to stand up on the Matterhorn bobsleds. Don't do that. See, this is why 15-year-olds shouldn't be allowed out of the house.
00:55:42
Because they fucking do shit. And it's boys, especially. And it's really stupid.
00:55:47
I mean, I love him. You should run for Congress. I'm sorry. I don't want to. Okay.
00:55:53
it sucks maples unbuckled a seatbelt and attempted to stand up as the bobsled neared the peak of the mountain you know he was like the joker of the class probably
00:56:02
what year was it 1964 oh yeah they just didn't get how bad it was probably like nothing had
00:56:08
happened yet so they're like i can i'm free at disneyland yeah um he lost his balance because
00:56:14
probably because he was standing up on the bobsled on a fucking roller coaster thrown from the sled to the track below,
00:56:22
fractured his skull and ribs, caused internal injuries. He died three days later.
00:56:27
So we're off to the races. They're all going to die, you guys. Just so you know.
00:56:33
Yeah, and none of them are going to be like, night, night. It's not going to be nice.
00:56:37
Sleeping Beauty has nothing to do with this story. I went like this, as if I didn't have the rest of the page to read.
00:56:44
And we're done with that. I'm just thrown by Vince's shaming me. Oh, he'll hear about it later.
00:56:51
And I will too. What if I took my ring off and threw it in the room? Yes. No, I love you.
00:56:54
Now that's a show. Okay, June 1966, Thomas Guy Cleveland, a 19-year-old Northridge resident,
00:57:03
is killed when he's attempted. Okay, so this dude attempts to sneak into Disneyland along the monorail track.
00:57:08
Oh, no. I know. It was grad night. The worst. Yeah. I still think about grad night and it hurts my feet.
00:57:22
I hated grad night so much and I hated everyone in that part. Yeah. I was so mad that I had to stay there and stay awake.
00:57:33
Is it a lock-in kind of thing? It's a fucking like, you just, they act like you want to stay awake all night.
00:57:40
That dumb, oh God, I'm so mad. this is really triggering for karen and i'm gonna need you guys to be respectful i have grad night
00:57:50
damage post-traumatic grad night it's like the thing where it's like anything where like the
00:57:55
first three hours you're like oh my god this is gonna be amazing and then the second the fourth
00:57:59
hour hits you're like let's stop this now it sucks it's not working out like no everyone thought
00:58:05
they were gonna fall in love no one's falling in love we all hate each other let's go home
00:58:10
And then someone climbs over the monorail track. And actually, when I was a senior in high school, everyone had the Disneyland Pass.
00:58:18
It was like $20 back then. It was a long time ago. Really? How old were you? 18.
00:58:23
Oh. 17. So people would do this thing where you'd get a stamp, and then when you'd get into the park,
00:58:30
you'd come back out and you'd lick the stamp and put it on the back of someone else's hand.
00:58:34
That's how you snuck in back then, right? And then some kids would just fucking scale the fence.
00:58:39
because this is before Disneyland was like, no, it was still like that. Okay, anyways.
00:58:44
All right, grad night. 16 foot high, outer fence, and climbed onto the monorail track
00:58:49
intending to jump or climb down once inside the park, which is like, it's like a monorail.
00:58:55
It's like, it's a monorail. It's up high. Yeah. So. That's all you need to know about a monorail.
00:59:03
That's what I meant. Yeah. Yeah. He ignored a security guard's shouting warnings
00:59:08
of approaching monorail train failed to leave clear of the track. He finally climbed down
00:59:13
onto a fiberglass canopy beneath the track, but the clearance wasn't enough. The oncoming train struck and killed him.
00:59:19
Oh, it's horrible. You guys were excited a minute ago. Let's let them process. They need to process it.
00:59:25
Yeah, okay. I've been reading this since I was 26. So since the internet started
00:59:29
and I was like, Disney deaths was the first thing I ever... Disney deaths. Wait, can I do an addendum to that story?
00:59:35
Always. My favorite story of somebody bumming out at Disneyland is my sister's friend Christine Tomasini
00:59:42
was at Disneyland with her family and they were all standing kind of at something
00:59:46
that near a monorail track or no sorry those the ones that are the open things that go the people mover where you kind of like looking down so she they were kind of near a people over and she was just kind of looking around at the crowd and there was a girl that had really big curly hair that she kind of like noticed like whoa that girl hair is really big And then all of a sudden in one second
01:00:07
the girl's hair went flat and she was like, what? And she couldn't. And then she realized
01:00:11
someone from the people mover barfed onto that girl's head. It's just, it's, it's the idea of a
01:00:18
hair, like a hair product commercial for hair straightener, like go from frizzy to flat, but
01:00:23
It's like, barf? And I think she said, this could totally be me lying because it would be better for the story.
01:00:30
But I feel like she said, then the girl barfed, which would make perfect sense, right?
01:00:35
It's never happened. No, I would barf if someone barfed on me. Yeah. It's your duty.
01:00:41
Listen, make it interesting for everyone around you, okay? It's called embellishment.
01:00:46
Try it. I'll ask Christine. Okay, would you? Yes. I'll text her now. August 1967, Ricky Liyama, he's a 17-year-old Hawthorne resident,
01:00:57
was killed when he disregarded safety instructions and exited his people mover car as the ride was passing through a tunnel.
01:01:05
And like, these were, oh, are we putting, okay, here's the people mover. Look at, see that on his shit.
01:01:10
Oh, yeah. Isn't it cute? Look at how you can just step over the thing and get the fuck off of it.
01:01:15
So do you think he was, he was thinking like, I'm going to see what's in that cave?
01:01:19
No, I think he was just goofing around with his friends, and he was going to go to his friend's car in the back.
01:01:24
Oh, yeah. Goofing around 17 and 15-year-olds, too. He slipped as he was jumping from car to car, crushed to death beneath the wheels of the oncoming car.
01:01:35
I know. Okay, June 1973, Bogdan DeLorett. Yep. An 18-year-old Brooklyn resident drowned while trying to swim across the rivers of America.
01:01:47
you know the I think it's Tom Sawyer's Island now or something I haven't been there in a while
01:01:54
so it could be like it could be like a modern day thing it's just a Del Taco now
01:02:00
oh we filled up those rivers with ground beef you're going to love it queso is the new thing
01:02:10
we filled up the queso it's an integration okay well anyways he drowned see this show
01:02:19
right when you started having fun we were supposed to warn the newbies but you've been
01:02:22
warned clearly for the past 45 minutes yeah they know they're failing it so he and his
01:02:27
10 year old brother managed to stay on Tom's island past its dusk closing time by climbing the
01:02:34
fence separating the island from the settler's cabin they like hid and they're like
01:02:38
we're gonna stay like you know they were gonna spend the night and do something yeah
01:02:40
and you know like how you want to do at the zoo all the time me is that just me what
01:02:44
oh my god I want to stay at the zoo past closing time so bad because I bet there's
01:02:49
so much fun at night. Well, the nocturnal animals would be, but I think everyone else
01:02:55
is asleep, aren't they? I know. It's so cute though. Okay. I would like, remember that book
01:03:02
where there's like the teens that they're like homeless teens that hide in the mall
01:03:07
and then they come out at night? I think it's the... I think that's called, what's it called?
01:03:12
Well, nope. It was going to be real funny. Was it? Yeah. How? It's the zombie movie.
01:03:20
Donovan Ed! Thank you. See, wouldn't that have been great if I fucking knew things?
01:03:26
Say it more. Say more things. 100% sober, by the way. I am 100%. Say more things.
01:03:36
Say more things out of your mouth. No, I'm not sure. I think I was done. No, I mean, it's just a child's book I won't be able to remember the name of.
01:03:44
And who gives a shit? I've already told 95 stories. Okay. They decided, okay, then they were like, let's not do this.
01:03:52
This is a stupid idea. Let's swim back. That's a better idea. So, because the younger brother didn't know how to swim, I know,
01:04:03
Bogdan tried to carry him across as he swam. And Bogdan goes down about halfway across the river,
01:04:11
and his brother remained afloat by dog paddling. excuse me Jesus until that was a burp until a ride operator hauled him aboard a boat but Bogdan
01:04:21
was nowhere to be found oh they found it the next morning his body he's dead I know there's another
01:04:29
one it's coming I ended with don't worry I ended with two kind of funny ones so it'll be fine
01:04:34
not dead no they're not deaths they're like two funny things that happen you don't owe them
01:04:40
anything. Just fucking tell your story. Deliver it. Okay, the day before I was born, June 7th,
01:04:48
1980, Gerardo Gonzalez, a recent San Diego high school graduate, was killed on the People Mover
01:04:54
in an incident just like the one that Ricky Lee Gate had gone through 13 years earlier. Gerardo,
01:05:00
in the early morning hours of grad night, canceled grad nights. It's just too dangerous for all of us. Never let that baby go
01:05:08
to grad night. Never. Um, so he's again climbing from car to car as the people mover goes into the super speed tunnel, which is, that sounds like a mistake.
01:05:18
Yeah, they were like, oh, someone died on the people mover. I think we need to put super speed in it.
01:05:24
That's probably what would be better. Right. Yeah. Um, and adjacent to the, okay, the former America Sings building.
01:05:31
I don't know what that's in there. It's by the America's Rivers thing. Right. Yeah.
01:05:34
Yeah. He stumbles and falls into the track. Oncoming train of cars crush him beneath its wheels.
01:05:40
June 4th, 1983, Philip Strogham, an 18-year-old Albuquerque, New Mexico resident, also drowned
01:05:49
in the rivers of America, and yet another, say it with me, grad night incident. Third grad night incident Yep I fucking writing to the Oh I almost said president We don have one of those right now
01:06:05
We're on our own. Oh, you know what? I'll write to The Rock. That's what I'll do.
01:06:11
Yay! That's what I'll do. He'll fucking take care of grad night. Wouldn't that be amazing if the next grad night,
01:06:19
The Rock came in and just started fucking beating the shit out of everybody? Oh.
01:06:24
It's like Santa. He went around when like a reindeer is like Santa Claus, but grad night and beating people up.
01:06:29
It's nothing like Santa. It's nothing like Christmas. Never mind. I love it. It's Christmas for me.
01:06:34
What if, um, I just love the idea that that's your new cause is ending grad night.
01:06:37
Ending grad night for everybody. You know. And any other fun activities for seniors.
01:06:42
We're shutting that shit down. They can't handle it. They have to keep standing up all the time.
01:06:48
Oh, I need to be out here where I'm not supposed to be, says the 17 year old boy.
01:06:52
Fucking stop it. Yeah, agreed. So he and a friend, and they'd been drinking quite heavily,
01:07:00
and they snuck onto cast members only area along the river. And the cast members killed them.
01:07:07
Sorry. That was highly inappropriate, and I apologize to everybody. I'm really sorry.
01:07:14
That was wrong. But I just pictured Tigger killing them. have you seen the video where the like i think it's pluto loses his shit because his kid keeps
01:07:26
fucking yanking on his tail and he just turns around and starts chasing the kid the kid's like
01:07:33
the kid's like clearly a class bully until pluto turns around and turns on him and the kid just
01:07:39
loses his shit it's funny because the kid's clearly a brat before and i have no way want
01:07:43
children to be harmed. Don't be upset, baby. Don't be upset, baby. Anyway, okay, so they
01:07:50
untyed an inflatable rubber maintenance motorboat. Thank you. Yeah, you got it. Deciding to take
01:07:59
it for a joyride around the river. They're shockingly not trained in this, and they're
01:08:04
unable to adequately control the boat, and they struck a rock near Tom Sawyer Island.
01:08:09
Philip's thrown into the water his friend goes back to shore to seek help and Philip drowns
01:08:18
long before his body was located an hour later well that would make sense yeah don't really get the word
01:08:28
they locate his body and then they let him drown after that this is Snopes writing
01:08:34
you know get it together Snopes journalists January 3rd 1984 Dolly Reagan Young pardon
01:08:47
sorry you are loving this is this vodka in here I've gone off the wagon she's a 48 year old
01:08:59
Fremont resident, California she's killed on the Matterhorn stop clapping I didn't pause for
01:09:06
for clapping. She's killed on the Matterhorn again. So here's the thing. Similar to the first
01:09:12
Matterhorn. What? You just said she's killed on the Matterhorn again. I meant like, again, like the guy, like this guy. Yep. We know, but it's still funny.
01:09:24
Oh, I get it. I don't need to explain it. You can just laugh. Okay. She Jon Snowed that shit, came back, and then the Matterhorn killed her again.
01:09:31
Okay. About two thirds the way down the mountain, Dolly's thrown from her seat into the path of an oncoming bobsled.
01:09:43
She comes pinned beneath its wheels. So they examine her sled because here's the thing.
01:09:49
No one was in the seat with her. You know how usually it's like two people per seat?
01:09:52
So she was alone in the seat. So they were like, well, we don't know if she unfastened the seatbelt or if it malfunctioned.
01:09:58
So she probably, it probably wasn't. It's probably her fault. You know what I mean?
01:10:03
Yeah. Where it's like, how many 48-year-old women do we know that are on a bobsledder?
01:10:07
Like, yoink. Yes. No, but that's why you don't let 17-year-old boys on, not 48-year-old women.
01:10:13
48-year-old women are like, I've finally got to be me. Yeah. Fucking leave the Matterhorn halfway through.
01:10:20
No. I'm going to make my kids laugh. Hey. No. Bro, dude, bro, dude. Yeah. No. Isn't that funny?
01:10:28
Yeah. I'm going to high-five that, what's the monster that's there? Yeti. Thanks, guys.
01:10:34
All right. December 20... High five that monster. You know that Yeti that's in there?
01:10:39
Sure. All right. December 24th, 1998. In a tragic Christmas Eve accident, one Disneyland cast member and two guests were injured.
01:10:49
Okay, this is the one I have nightmares about. Okay. A rope that's used to secure the sailing ship Columbia
01:10:57
as it's docked at the Rivers of America. You know, the one that goes around. It was an inelastic hemp rope designed to break easily.
01:11:05
It was improperly replaced for financial reasons by an elastic nylon rope, which stretched toward the cleat from the ship's wooden hull.
01:11:15
Fuck, I hate this. The cleat sails through the air and strikes the heads of two guests who were waiting to board the ship.
01:11:23
Luan Phi Dawson, who's 33, of Duval, Washington, and his wife, Lu Thi Viong, 43.
01:11:32
And Dawson's declared brain dead two days later and dies when his life support system is disconnected.
01:11:39
Can you fucking... I have nightmares about that. And now you all will too. Well, also, here's what I have nightmares about.
01:11:46
It's 1998, you said? and Disney is using cheaper rope because they have to scrimp and save at Disneyland?
01:11:54
Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, yeah. Well, at this point... The accident results in the first guest death in Disneyland's history that was not attributed to any negligence on the part of the guest that they're telling us about.
01:12:08
Yeah. And prompted a movement for greater government oversight of theme park operations and safety procedures because there was like, they were just like, there you go.
01:12:17
And then at one point they were like, no, wait, they're like airplanes and all the, you know, these things that we need to regulate.
01:12:23
Like airplanes. Yeah. I don't, there were other things and I can't remember what they were.
01:12:27
Trains. Trains. Trains. Trains, airplanes. What else is there? Automobiles. Right.
01:12:31
It's the natural progression. You know what? Let's not rely on the company that was started by an anti-Semitic to police themselves.
01:12:40
I mean, it seems like if he's going to buy cheap rope, he's not going to give that much of a shit about anybody else.
01:12:50
They got the victims, survivors brought in a lawsuit and settled for, they settled for $25 million.
01:12:58
Yeah. Could have been more. You know, they could have spent that money on hemp rope.
01:13:03
I mean, seriously. Nylon rope. You cheap bastards. On June 25th, 2000, a 23-year-old woman from Spain exited the Indiana Jones ride.
01:13:11
I don't know why I'm pointing at you. Because you know I love that shit. That big boulder comes at you, you're like, what?
01:13:20
So she exits the Indiana Jones ride. And I put this in there even though it's not really listed.
01:13:25
She's complaining of a severe headache. Like, she's hospitalized a day later, and later that day, she's hospitalized, and later that day, it was discovered that she had a brain hemorrhage and said it was because of the jostling of the ride.
01:13:37
She died on September 1st, 2000 of cerebral aneurysms, and the victim's medical costs were estimated at more than $1.3 million.
01:13:44
Wow. on September 5th 2003 a 22 year old man Marcelo Torres of Gardenia California
01:13:52
died and several other guests were injured when a locomotive separated from its train
01:13:57
along the tunnel section of Big Thunder Mountain no and here's yeah I got barfed on that ride
01:14:05
I didn't want to tell you guys why not I don't know it's gross we love hearing all that shit
01:14:10
yeah someone in the we were going around it was my ex and I and it was like a first ride there
01:14:14
and it was so fun. Like, we were going around a corner and someone in the front barfed
01:14:18
and all of us... Yeah. And then we had to stay on the ride for the rest of the time
01:14:25
and everyone on the ride was just like, oh, my God. Yeah, because Disneyland's like,
01:14:31
it will cost too much money to end the ride now. Yeah. We have to, for efficiency's sake
01:14:36
and financial gain. He and I broke up pretty quick in Atlanta. No relationship can withstand
01:14:43
being barfed all like that. You can't look at each other again. I know. There's a comic, and I wish I could remember her name because she's so funny.
01:14:49
She's a New York comic, and she tells this fucking amazing story of being at a New York
01:14:54
County fair when she was like eight years old, and it was in the late 60s, or whenever,
01:15:02
before Judy Garland died. And Judy Garland was there with Liza Minnelli and her other daughter.
01:15:08
Sorry. Me. And they went on to one of those rides that spinning thing that then turns and starts spinning like that.
01:15:16
And so this guy, I wish I could remember her name. She basically got in line with the Garland Minnelli's just so she could get on the ride faster.
01:15:26
Just she looked like she blended in. And they got onto the ride. And then as it started, Judy Garland started barfing.
01:15:33
And they all got splashed with Judy Garland's barf on that ride. It's kind of special.
01:15:38
I mean, it's collector's item for sure, but... Okay. Yeah. Anyways. So, a locomotive...
01:15:50
This is the new podcast, Barf Stories. Sorry. A locomotive separated from its train along a tunnel section of Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.
01:15:58
He bled to death after suffering blunt force trauma. And the cause of the accident was determined to be improper maintenance.
01:16:06
So this is the other not-his-fault one. Investigation reports and discovery by the victim's attorney
01:16:12
confirm that the fatal injuries occurred when the first passenger car collided with the underside of the local motive.
01:16:20
I mean, it's from here. All right, so those are the ones that have happened so far.
01:16:26
Let's hope they're the only ones that ever happen. Don't take your seatbelt off, ever.
01:16:30
What is happening? I don't know. It sounds like there's a giant pounding on the outside of the building.
01:16:34
It's Walt Disney. Is it him? Yeah. Fuck, we're sorry. Reanimated. We're sorry, you cheap bastard.
01:16:44
All right. So there's the two that aren't murders, deaths, so we all feel better.
01:16:49
August 6, 1970. And my dad told me this when I was a kid, and it made me so happy.
01:16:54
750, quote, and this is how it's written, hippies and, quote, radical yippies, they used to call them.
01:17:01
Oh, worse than hippies. Yeah. infiltrated the park and took over the wilderness fort,
01:17:05
which I think is now the Tom Sawyer situation. They raised the Viet Cong flag. Whoa.
01:17:13
And passed reefers out to passerby. Shit, girl. They were like, they took it over.
01:17:19
What's wrong? Nothing. Is he shaming me still backstage? No, you paranoid lunatic.
01:17:27
My head turned to the side. I know, I got scared. Listen. Listen to me A platoon of Anaheim officers
01:17:37
In full right You're poured into the park From the backstage areas To get them the fuck out of there
01:17:41
750 Yeah that's a shit ton Yeah And then so much pot in Disneyland Oh yeah Like what is that
01:17:49
It smells like a skunk Mommy What's happening Um Alright and finally On New Year Day of 2013 A writer in the front row of the thing called California Screamin Oh yeah that a big roller coaster Front row of the roller coaster here he goes He hit in the face by a seagull
01:18:11
No injuries were reported. Oh, he didn't die? Yay! I was like, that's the saddest one of all.
01:18:23
No. To go out by seagulls? I know. Seagulls to the face. Yes. Poor seagulls. Like, what the fuck?
01:18:31
I'm just trying to go down this roller coaster. I'm just trying to fly over this park.
01:18:36
Oh, my God. That's awesome. Yeah. That's Disneyland X. That is Disneyland X. Thank you.
01:18:48
Okay, we're back. Are there any updates to Disneyland? Actually, yes. There are updates to Disneyland.
01:18:55
Besides all the snacks that they have every season that are new that I'm obsessed with,
01:18:59
even though I'm not going to Disneyland, there's no fucking way. So there has been at least one additional death linked to Disneyland since this episode aired.
01:19:06
In late 2025, a woman in her 60s suffered, quote, an unfortunate medical episode, end quote, per the Anaheim police.
01:19:15
Shortly after finishing the Haunted Mansion ride, she was pronounced dead later that evening at the hospital.
01:19:21
I feel like I remember, but this is that kind of thing where it's like that idea that someone like their blood pressure would go up or they would suddenly it's, I don't know, it's surprising it doesn't happen more.
01:19:35
I was literally just thinking that it is. And so, of course, it's going to happen at Disneyland because it could happen anywhere. And you do get, you know, it's thousands and thousands of people all day long interacting, like living their life in a concentrated way.
01:19:48
It's like, right. Then little Karen wanders away in the middle of it and lives on Peter Pan Island forever.
01:19:54
For hours. OK, now let's head back into the episode and we'll listen to the hometown from Anaheim.
01:20:06
Well, yeah, it's time to do a hometown murder. Time to do a hometown. I think there's an open mic somewhere.
01:20:12
Hold on. Let's be reasonable. Somebody didn't stand up with a piece of paper in their hand, point at themselves, and then go to the bathroom when they got picked.
01:20:21
That's fucking, there she is. Oh, there she is. Hi. I told you. Sorry, I'm shaming you.
01:20:28
Hi, what's your name? Catherine. Hi, Catherine. Nice to meet you. Turn the lights down so she doesn't have a panic attack.
01:20:33
There's a lot of people. Come on, right here. You can bring the house lights down, sir.
01:20:38
Thanks. Or ma'am. But probably not. What was your, tell me your name again? Catherine.
01:20:43
Oh, you have one of those. Catherine? Catherine. Yes. Hi, Catherine. Where are you from?
01:20:47
Originally from Montana, but I live in Costa Mesa now. Yeah. I live like a mile from Camden Martinique.
01:20:53
Oh, really? And there's several times. Is it pretty great? No, but that story really freaked me out.
01:20:57
Yeah. It's crazy, right? Yeah. But you can't read. Yeah, we need you to... Well, I didn't know how many drinks I would have before this, so I typed it up just in
01:21:08
case. Okay. But can you do it off the top of your head? I think so. And then I'll check your work.
01:21:11
Okay, great. Can I just say that this is why I stopped drinking before the show, so I didn't have to...
01:21:17
I don't know what I'm saying. I get it. I respect your control. I don't have a great hometown murder, but my best friends are my cousins, and they have
01:21:27
an amazing hometown murder, and they told me if I had the opportunity to get up on stage,
01:21:31
I had to tell their story. We love a Jason murder. I kind of secondhand. That's cool.
01:21:34
You can do it like seventhhand. I don't give a shit. Yeah. so my cousins in 1995 my cousins were 13 and 10 and they lived in Ahwatukee Arizona which is right
01:21:46
outside of Phoenix shit and their mom worked as a maid for a family called the Bach family
01:21:53
and they were really wealthy and they had a huge house and she just worked there every day as a maid
01:21:59
so they became really close to the family and Mr. Bach the dad asked them to move into the house
01:22:07
and be like a full-time housekeeper. But the mom had some weird feelings about him
01:22:11
and about the family, so it never happened. But that was kind of always happening.
01:22:15
They were always asking him to move in. Julia, my cousin, who was 13, became really good friends with the son, Jeremy.
01:22:23
They went to the middle school together. He was a year older than her. And they would walk home from school every day
01:22:30
to Jeremy's house and hang out there while her mom was cleaning. And then she would just go home with her mom
01:22:35
at the end of the day. and she said Jeremy was kind of a weird guy. He would always tell like dirty jokes around her
01:22:42
and just do like weird 14-year-old kind of things. But she said he was kind of hot.
01:22:48
He looked like a young Matt Dillon. Oh my fucking God. Give Karen a minute, picture.
01:22:55
Here's, do one dumb joke and I'll tell you what I would have acted like around this person.
01:23:00
Okay. Just do a bad joke. Karen, your hair, my God. Sorry. So she was willing to overlook some of the weird things.
01:23:16
Hell yes. Because he was cute. Another weird thing about the family is that they had guns stashed all over the house.
01:23:24
They said they would find them under the couch and in the kitchen cabinets and all over the place.
01:23:29
So it was kind of a red flag. and their mom said one day when she was cleaning the house
01:23:36
there was red spots on the walls that she cleaned off and she said they were definitely not spaghetti stains so she wasn't sure
01:23:42
what they were bleach them right off then lots of red flags but they were close to the family so they
01:23:50
still worked for them and hung out at the house then one day the 14 year old Jeremy was arrested for the murder of his friend Brad Hanson And Brad had been missing for two months at that point Jeremy was originally questioned when Brad went missing
01:24:07
and he had told investigators that they had skipped school the day that Brad went missing,
01:24:15
and they had hung out at their house and were playing with a gun, and it went off in Brad's hands, and that he panicked and rode away on his bicycle.
01:24:23
so police for two months were investigating it as a missing persons case or like a runaway case
01:24:28
um didn't think anything weird had happened um but then two months later right before the arrest
01:24:33
happened uh some trash collector is that the right term trash collectors garbage men garbage
01:24:40
trash collectors tc yeah i think trash sanitation workers that's the one garbage person doesn't
01:24:46
sound right no sanitation worker sanitation worker sanitation worker um came by the bach house
01:24:57
on their weekly pickup and they noticed that the trash can outside the bach house was covered in
01:25:03
blood and it raised some red flags for him i mean one would hope and he called the cops who came
01:25:10
and investigated and they determined that blood belonged to brad hansen so they interrogated
01:25:15
Jeremy a second time to find out what happened. And he told them that he had lied the first time
01:25:19
and that what actually happened was that they had skipped school and were playing with a gun
01:25:23
in the house and that, um, it had gone off in his hands and he had accidentally shot Brad in the
01:25:28
chest and killed him. Um, and that Brad had bled out. And then after he had died, he'd put Brad's
01:25:34
body into a trash bin, which he put on the curb and the trash, the sanitation workers took away
01:25:43
the next day and never to be heard from again. But the cops did not believe his story because they
01:25:49
said that it would have taken Brad nearly an hour to die after the shot. And so he,
01:25:57
Jeremy never went for help. So it was pretty obvious that it was intentional shooting.
01:26:02
So they had a few theories. They thought that maybe it was intentional and that the boys had
01:26:09
been arguing about a girl that they both had dated. That was possible. There was also some
01:26:13
speculation at the time that Jeremy's father had helped him dispose of the body. It was kind of an
01:26:19
ongoing thing. And then my cousin did tell me that there was a rumor that went around the junior high
01:26:24
that the police dogs had picked up Brad's scent and followed it to the backyard of Jeremy's house.
01:26:30
And they believe that maybe he was fed to their German shepherds. That's junior high bullshit.
01:26:37
That's totally a junior high rumor. Come on. Yeah. So that's just all speculation.
01:26:44
But Julia and Chrissy's mom did definitely clean up the crime scene. It did happen in the kitchen.
01:26:50
Unknowingly. Yeah, she had no idea. So she said she was in there when the cops did the luminol test.
01:26:56
And they had her point out where all the blood spots were that she had cleaned up.
01:27:00
And she said when they turned that black light on that the whole kitchen lit up.
01:27:03
Oh, my God. Blood everywhere. So, unfortunately, Brad's body was never recovered.
01:27:09
They think that it was probably taken to the landfill, but by the time they had all this information, it was two months later,
01:27:13
so there's no way they could ever have found him. So, eventually, Jeremy is put on trial for second-degree murder,
01:27:22
and some funny things happened to my cousin during this time. While Jeremy was on trial, his parents were pretty wealthy,
01:27:29
and they got him out on bail. and at that time he called my cousin and asked her up for a date
01:27:35
and her mother allowed her to go and they went bowling I love bowling he had great jokes and when I asked my cousin about this
01:27:55
this week to make sure I had all the facts right just in case I got up here I was like, what the hell was your mother thinking?
01:28:02
Like, that's insane. And she's like, what the fuck I know? Like, I realize that now.
01:28:06
It was totally messed up. So he was brought up on trial for second degree murder.
01:28:13
He was found guilty and sentenced to 22 years in prison. And at the time that he was sentenced, he was only 15 years old.
01:28:20
So he was the youngest. I don't know if he still is, but back then he was definitely the youngest person in Arizona
01:28:26
history to ever be convicted as an adult. and so there was a lot of media that happened around it of media frenzy that happened around
01:28:34
this trial and one of the things that happened to my cousin was that she was driving with her mom
01:28:40
I don't know if it was past the courthouse or past the box house but there's reporters outside
01:28:45
and they flagged down the car and knocked on the windows and they're yelling inside like can we ask
01:28:50
you some questions and my cousin at the time had a really short pixie haircut so she kind of looked
01:28:54
like a boy. And they're like, Jeremy, Jeremy, can we get some information from you? Can we ask you a
01:28:58
question? And they thought he was, she was him. Oh God, high school sucks. And her mom got deeply
01:29:08
offended by this and she rolled down her windows and she's like, that's my daughter, you asshole.
01:29:13
Oh my God. That's amazing. And, uh, so he went to prison, um, for 22 years. He was sentenced in,
01:29:20
I think January of 98. Um, and, uh, once he got to prison, I'll check. Yep. Every single word has
01:29:35
been perfect so far. I'm not very good at winging it. I think you are. Yeah. Um, once he got to
01:29:42
prison, my cousin thought this was all over and, um, she never had to think about it again,
01:29:46
but then she started receiving love letters from prison. This just gets better and better.
01:29:53
And Jeremy was asking her if she marry him and she said it really creeped her out because he would always call her my baby And she said the best part about it all was that he said at one point he asked her if she had been hassled by anybody in school for being his friend
01:30:11
And he said, give me their names because I'll totally kick their asses. And she's like, I don't think the weight of all this trial stuff has really gotten to him yet.
01:30:23
because he's not going to get out of prison for 22 years. Middle school will be a distant memory.
01:30:28
Everyone else will be. Oh, my God, that's crazy. So she said it's like a total distant memory.
01:30:36
It's not something she really ever thinks about. But I looked it up this week because I was coming here to the show,
01:30:42
and I realized that 22 years of a sentence means he's going to be out in two years.
01:30:47
And so I asked Julia if she felt worried if he would get out, if he's held a candle for her for all these years or what.
01:30:55
And she's not worried at all. But I'm like, got to lock your doors. Yeah, but her mom let her go on a date with a murderer.
01:31:01
So I guess it's probably the last date he had before prison. Right. You know, she's got to follow all the murdering rules and not get murdered.
01:31:09
How does he look, though? Just kidding. You did amazing. That was so good. off the paper. Great job. So good. So good. Do you want your paper back?
01:31:24
Give it that scrapbook. That away. Thank you. That was so awesome. Okay, we're back. Now, Georgia, do you know if there's any updates on this hometown?
01:31:38
I do, actually. So Jeremy Bach was released from prison on October 2nd, 2018, so a while ago now, after serving approximately 20 years of a 22-year sentence.
01:31:52
You had to give that update because it's your hometown. So you're responsible for all of the civic events and legal events that happened there.
01:32:01
Sorry. Okay, so this episode was originally titled Live at the Grove in Anaheim.
01:32:07
But if we were naming it today based on something that happened that's fun and funny that happened in the episode, maybe we would call it Remember Those Pants about my fucking vinyl rave pants.
01:32:19
I will bring up Georgia's vinyl rave pants any chance I get. The more people there to witness it, the better.
01:32:25
As you should. Also, joking that huge mice are coming for us is a pretty great title for this podcast or a death metal band.
01:32:35
Oh, yeah. That is a good one. It works. Local girl extraordinaire. That's me. Yeah, that's the banner I would make for you.
01:32:42
Yeah. And of course, post-traumatic grad night, which is Georgia talking about how much I hated grad night.
01:32:49
This is some really good choices. PTGN. All right, you guys, thanks for listening to Rewind.
01:32:55
Let's go back to Anaheim at The Grove to say goodbye. That was great. Oh my God, you guys.
01:33:04
You guys, thank you so much. Thank you so much. Anaheim, thank you for making our first Orange County show so great.
01:33:13
I was a little nervous, I'm not going to lie. I peeled off all of this nail polish because I was nervous.
01:33:18
Not my middle finger. So thank you for making my hometown first show fucking awesome.
01:33:23
Yes. Love it. That's a good feeling. Right? It feels good. That's a good feeling.
01:33:28
It feels great. Yeah, I feel like this crowd is kind of one of the best we've ever had.
01:33:33
Just like, honestly. so makes me happy when people like comedy it's so much more fun
01:33:40
they're not mad at you no thank you guys again also just we joke about it but like you
01:33:49
because you guys listen in tell your friends to listen and support us so much we get to do this for a living
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It's so exciting. Yeah. So stay sexy. And don't get murdered! Thank you. Thank you!
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