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My favorite world Hello! And welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. This is a show where we recap our early episodes with case updates and hot take revisions and all the unlocked memories that we can muster.
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Today we're rewinding to episode 94, which we named Go Get Your Thing. This episode originally came out November 9th, 2017.
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All right, let's listen to the intro of episode 94. Hi, and welcome to my favorite murder.
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The apartment version. Yeah. God forbid we ever do one of these. God, it's been so long, it feels like.
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I know. Doing like a regular episode. You know what I feel like we've discovered in touring this great nation of ours?
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Just tell me. It's difficult to tour this great nation of ours and then come back and immediately start recording podcasts.
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That's not an easy balance to strike. It isn't. It's a huge difference. I think I'm more used to live shows now than I am to this, sitting on my couch, talking to each other.
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Yeah. And it's also, we have to do a bunch of work to do those live shows. And then when we come back, we have to do a bunch of work to do this version of the show.
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Yeah. Complain, complain, complain. I mean, you just got to wonder, you know. It's so true.
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You just have to wonder. That's such a good point. And wait. And look and learn.
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Look, learn, listen. And again, wonder at the end. And then at the end of the day, you're just left wondering.
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You bookend the day wondering and wondering. Yeah. But hopefully with like a childlike sense of wonder.
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Yeah, I think that's. And definitely while you watch the wonder years. I think that's important.
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definitely you have to do that you have to have kevin arnold narrating your life please did i
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brag to you about the time that um fred savage directed the tv show i was working on no and he
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i was so starstruck by him and because he is kevin arnold it's just like that's who that person is
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he will always be and he looks it's like it's a grown-up kevin arnold it's not an actor who's
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like oh yeah it's fucking it's not a version of kevin arnold it's kevin arnold and he sounds
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exactly the same and he looks the same and he couldn't be a nicer more talented and more
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professional person so he's the kind of person and this is very rare in hollywood where he's
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talking to somebody else and you're standing there he'll turn and include you in the conversation
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which the first time he did that because it was the on uh two broke girls and i was working with
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Pat Walsh. So he and Pat Walsh are good friends. So I haven't been standing there. So then he just
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like turned and it was like the bright shining light of Cameron Arnold was suddenly coming back
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my way. It was very upsetting. And I think I just made a face and walked away because it was like,
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I didn't realize how starstruck I would be. It didn't. Uh, anyway, I would have been too. I would
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be, I will be, I'm going to be positive when I meet him one day and I would, and I would, and I
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will and you would and you will and i bet you he's used to it because it's one of those things of like
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there's a there's a generation of people that he talked directly to like once a week totally
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it's good time crazy shit this is the wonderment we're talking about yes exactly i finished mind
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hunter today finally and what's your end opinion my end my end game is that i just want it to be
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a show about the guy who plays ed kemper i just want to watch ed kemper the ed kemper character
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live and love in prison. It would be an amazing show. I just love that guy. The guy who plays him
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is fucking pitch perfect. What if he weren pitch perfect for Is there a four yet What if he can sing acapella group ensemble bullshit so well Goes back to college He like I going back to college
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Yes, I want to kill all the women around me. Yes. But listen to my angelic voice.
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Maybe he starts an acapella thing in prison. Yes. Brings everyone together. And that's how he begins to compete in the Pitch Perfect universe.
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Yes, and that's how he begins to heal. From being a fucking psychopathic murderer piece of shit.
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And he finally proves wrong all of the theories that you cannot cure a psychopath.
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Right. Because you actually can cure a psychopath with acapella singing. That's all it takes.
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If you can, without any music, with your friends, sing boys to men, well. Oh my God.
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You're cured. You're human. There's hope for all of us. All of us psychopaths. So then three stars, five stars.
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oh i just you know you know me i'm such a i'm such a complainer i i liked so much about it
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i liked a lot about it four stars three and a half stars four stars okay what's how many out of how
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many 12 no an infinite amount so it could be three shit we don't know but four out of infinite is
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still very low. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I'd like to remind you of the wall that had a rainbow
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painted on it in an apartment that was just presented as like, here's an apartment and this
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is how it's decorated. When? When the Dr. Wendy, what's her name, was getting in a new apartment
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and kind of like starting her new life. And they, the real estate agent was like walking around that
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apartment. They walk into a room and there's just a like really gross colored, four colored rainbow
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painted on the wall that was like a Z. Yeah. I stopped and took a picture of that screen with my phone.
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Oh, my God. So good. So good. I also want to say that the new season of Someone Knows Something came out this week.
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That's right. And they fucking just threw them all up at once, which is like fun because then you're
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like, you can binge the shit. Goodbye forever. I'm going to listen to it. And I started listening.
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It's really good, of course. And it's about two black teenagers in 1964 who were killed by the Ku Klux Klan in Mississippi.
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And he's fucking going back to investigate it. Holy shit. Which is bananas and insane and so important.
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And like fucking kudos to people to podcast like someone knows something in the fall line who are doing important, important work.
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Yes. Unfortunately, still fucking relevant to shit. Hell yeah. Maybe more so. Yeah.
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Well, also those guys, I mean, I actually don't know about the women who do Fall Line, but the guy from Someone Knows Something is a legit journalist, right?
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Yeah, yeah. That's kind of what he does. Right. So don't feel too bad. Oh, I know that I have nothing.
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I can't come near that rainbow and touch it with my, do anything important. You could if you painted on your wall in a Z pattern.
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In a zigzag. Can we talk about that someone from when we were in Florida last weekend doing our live shows where there was also an active serial killer while we were there?
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Someone gave us a game, a board game of Guess Who? The game made into serial killers form.
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And it is fucking so cool. I want to cry. Yeah. It's on our Instagram. I've never actually seen anything but the side of this game because the second this girl pulled out this game, Georgia clasped onto it and never let it go.
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I didn't even ask. I feel at one point I was like, hey, we should play. And you're like, like, it was just like your baby.
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But I have to say I'm too old for that. I never played that game. But you probably played it with like niece or nephew or whatever.
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I've never played that game. Well, we're going to play and you're going to love it.
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I can't wait to play it. I mean, I know about it. Yeah. Go to my favorite murder Instagram to see photos of it.
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It's all the characters that it's like, does your character wear glasses? Does your character eat the flesh of his victims?
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It's just this flip, flip, flip. Yeah. It's always Albert Fish. The Papan sisters are in there.
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Ugh. You know, it's just like, is your character a murdery clown? No. Put him down.
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It's just the best. It's so good. And it clearly, this girl put in so much work.
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It was great. And it's clever. And so I think that we should play one game before every time we record from now on.
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Okay. Isn't that great? I just thought of that. That's great. And then we'll keep a running tally.
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Yeah. And then at the end, whoever wins the most games gets $50,000. At the end of what?
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At the end of this podcast run. That just got real sad. At the end of our lives.
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Oh, God. Oh, and it went on forever. And they just wouldn't stop talking about it.
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I mean, they just kept talking about it. I would like to say this. We, I believe it was last week, put up our ringtone.
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Oh, yeah. And I think Steven immediately was number one. Yeah, it was somebody on the Facebook posted it originally and was like, within 24 hours was number one.
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It was number one on the iTunes ringtone chart, which is fucking hilarious. And also Billboard.
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Did I tell you? Billboard Awards. What? No. I don't even know that was a thing. What else would it be? Number one. I don't know. But I was just going to say, and then immediately
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there was a copycat like marimba version. Right. So I text, we're in Florida and I text Stephen.
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I'm like, Hey, what is that? Did you do that, Stephen? But of course you always forget that
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through a text, it doesn't sound like that. And so it probably sounded like, did you do this?
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Stephen, did you do that? And Stephen was like, it is not me. And then I got really sad where I'm
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I'm like, that was not a funny joke. But because Steven has written his own version of our,
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we already have somebody to do versions of our theme song We don need other strangers who are doing or just basically do that to all it probably a robot who working for the fucking russian government man listen i gonna get deep
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into conspiracy right now and there's fucking stealing podcast songs written by karen in 20
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minutes on her fucking acoustic guitar this is feeling it at his worst so what we would like so
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steven's going to put people have actually tweeted about this and asked a lot about it when is steven
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to post his versions. So we were like, Stephen, you now need to post your version so that if
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anybody's, if anybody isn't into the Ridge and they're like, Hey, what about, what about some
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salsa aspect or whatever? Is there a salsa? I'm not sure. Can I get one that's influenced by the
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music of Selena? Well, yes, you can. Actually. Yes, you can. And yes, you can. It's written by
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one Stephen Ray. Did you not know about his confirmation name? So Stephen's going to post
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Post his. What? Say it. Yeah, I'm going to post mine. The Bossa Nova one. God. Because the people have been asking about it.
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Yeah. The Bossa Nova one's legit. You can listen. You can download them. They can be a ringtone for like your grandma.
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Or they can be your alarm clock ring in the morning. The Bossa Nova. You're exactly right.
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If you are ashamed to have a kind of like a bizarre pseudo country murder ballad, you
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can do a version of it that's just going to sound like just some fun interstitial.
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Fun. marimba music or whatever. I just keep changing the style. I mean, the marimba one would be good, too.
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Do you have that, too? Well, no, I think the bootleg was copying that because it used the marimba, which I used in the Boston.
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Fuck you, Putin. Putin went after Stephen's ass. Putin went after Stephen, not us, guys.
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I think that makes us even angrier. Because you don't go after Stephen. We can fight. We can fight 30.
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I get to. But Russians don't get to. No, no, no, no, no. So anyway, if you want that,
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when are you going to do it, Stephen? And when's it going to be up? Hopefully, maybe it won't.
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I don't know if it'll be up. This weekend. Great. This weekend, yes. Soon. So hold out if you want a version.
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Hold out for Stephen's version. Please don't support the weird ripoff versions. No.
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That's just so weird. No, it's so weird. But they don't know. People don't know.
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People don't know. I don't know. Everyone's trying to make a buck. Tell me about it.
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Right? Hey, speaking of, We have tickets left for our Kansas City show. Nice transition.
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Thank you. So they're still available if you want to say you want to drive in from Minneapolis.
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You know, maybe you're free that weekend. I don't know. Karen's offering options.
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Give them a brunch option for Sunday morning, Karen. If, say, for example, you come in for the late show, you're totally free to stay for brunch the next day in that city.
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Have a nice brunch. God, that'd be nice for you. You love coffee. You love orange juice.
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You always talk about coffee and orange juice. It's an excuse to eat a Monte Cristo sandwich.
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Yes. Which my mom would always be like, well, we are at brunch. I'm going to get a Monte Cristo, which is a full on deep fried ham sandwich with jelly in it.
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And powdered sugar on top. And powder. It's like eating French toast, ham and like toast with jelly all at the same time.
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Don't eat them separately. Yeah. And privately. Very. Monte Cristo is a private sandwich.
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That's for the dark. that's for the dark um have you watched anything lately because i got one tell me alias grace no
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what's that the margaret atwood situation yes i know i haven't watched it's a great i loved it
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i did that thing though where i was binge watching it so i would follow i would fall asleep and then
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have weird alias grace dreams and then be like was that the episode or was i sleeping was there
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a giant frog in it? I don't know. And you won't either because no spoiler alerts, but I mean
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spoilers, but I loved it. I thought it was super fascinating and it's really well made. Yeah,
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I recommend. Okay. I have one thing that I've been watching, but I'm going to save it for my
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thing that I love at the end of the show. Okay. Because it's weird. Perhaps I should have done
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save it save that save it cut it okay um is that everything i think so any corrections corners oh
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i have a correction corner and that fact that um people got upset with me that i said that
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putting your animal on prozac was very la they're like hollywood they're like i live in
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fucking i don't know florida and my cat's on prozac like people were specifically telling me
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that, you know, which I appreciate. Do you? No, I don't. But I get it. There was a couple people
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in the VIP when we were in Florida. Thank you, by the way. I have to say we had the best time in
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Florida. Tampa, Orlando, Fort Lauderdale. And everyone there was like, thanks for coming to
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Florida. Like we're doing everybody a big favor. And we had the shows were amazing. So much fun.
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audiences were amazing so good we had the best time and uh you guys get you guys get a bum rap
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what with all the like people eating each other's faces murder which is what we came for yes so we
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were we were not we were not surprised okay we're back a lot of early my favorite murder lore that
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i just like completely forgot about like what like cameron britain from fucking oh yeah mine hunter
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who later came and did our LA show, our LA live show at fucking Microsoft Theater.
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So exciting. What a gem, yeah. What a great example of what it's been like to be two people who are just regular people
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who watch TV and like a thing and suddenly are like, now the thing we like, here he is.
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Or it's just like that kind of progress of like, the armchair quarterbacks who suddenly are now in the game.
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It's crazy. What a crazy time of life that was for us. Like those like first three years of the podcast were such a whiplash And like you know someone knows something being a fucking podcast that we love
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Never remember that. It just seems like me working on two broke girls and being like, oh, hey, Fred Savage
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was a detective. It's like, how the fuck? I mean, I didn't really write. I did my best on that show, but I didn't participate that much.
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But it still was really stressful to have a job like that. Yeah. No shit. Insane.
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Yeah, I bet. And now you only have four and a half jobs. I mean, maybe it just broke me early in a way that then worked really well for what was coming.
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Sure. Well, Mimi's still not on Prozac, poor thing, but. She doesn't get any? She wouldn't take it.
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She was like, I like the way I am. And I'm like, you know what? Then that's good.
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Then that's fine. And she's thriving, I would say. Mimi is so 2026 that 2017 didn't make a lot of sense to her, where she's just like, it's called My Delulu.
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I get to like it. It's whimsy. She's like going like this saying you ate. She was so ahead of us.
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Yeah. She does what I do to my therapist when I'm like, I'm scared of all these things. And then
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it's like, but I'm not wrong. That's the problem. It's like, I'm not talking about dragons. I'm
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talking about serial killers. Like they fucking exist. Yes. And I read about them all the time.
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So, you know, it's funny. I just saw Patton Oswalt was on Neil Brennan's podcast and Patton
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was talking about how like we all paid attention to serial killers but the irony is that the really
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bad people are the ones you know and the ones that are close and the ones in government and the ones
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like we are we are afraid of the anomaly and the outlier right and focusing on that what because
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we're surrounded right i mean i think for him he was talking about kind of a different thing but as
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I watched him say it, I was like, that's totally true. But for women, it's because we need to run
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scenarios because it's very, very real. Whereas for men going like, it's crazy that we're scared
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as serial killers. And it's like, no, it's not. Yeah. No, it's not. Yeah. Like we, I mean,
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what was I watching the other day where it was like a woman who was ready to react the way she
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needed to react. And I'm like, oh, she's been conditioned to do that since she was a child.
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Yes. But the man hasn't been conditioned not to fucking make a woman uncomfortable his entire life. And maybe that fucking happened first. We wouldn't have to have our like our fucking drained adrenals and constantly be on guard and like be more afraid to be with a man than a bear. You know, like.
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And the second you say bear, not man, they're like, fuck you, bitch, I'm going to kill you.
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And there's a bunch of them right outside your apartment door. Yeah. I mean, like that, I feel like, and I'm sorry to say the phrase now more than ever, but I mean, like now as opposed to ever before, people are all getting on the same page.
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So it's like there's certain people who just never get on that page because they're like, no, that's, you know, whatever.
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But I think that people, the thing that used to really bother me was when there would be that really overt sexism or that really overt, like, almost threatening vibe.
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And dudes you knew did nothing or said nothing. So I think it's like nowadays, at least the cultural norm is becoming, oh, are you not going to say anything?
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Oh, then you're a coward. My girlfriend will come and help me out of this situation and we'll just continue confirming these things that we believed.
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Like, bro, if you haven't shamed your friend for saying not all men and explain to him why that's the most fucking upsetting thing you could say, like, tell him if you don't if you don't believe that, tell him why.
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I mean, it's just like your basic fucking job to do that. If your friend calls women females and talks about their value, high value men, high value women, blah, blah, blah.
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That's the craziest, craziest thing where it sounds like a bunch of 12 year old boys got into a room, never got out of that room and somehow got a microphone to the world.
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And now people are like, yeah, female, you're not high value. It's like, that's right.
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Get the fuck away from me. It means so much to me in this day and age. I am rich because my husband doesn't get offended in the least when I say I'm so fucking sick of men when we're watching any kind of true crime thing.
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He's like, yep. So true. Like, not you, of course. And he's like, I didn't think you were talking about me.
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Because he knows the difference. Yeah. I remember seeing something on the Internet, and it was a guy carrying a woman because there had been floods recently.
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And they're like, this is not toxic masculinity. It's like, correct. Right. It's not.
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that's not it's a very specific thing sorry we have to be oh my god congratulations like what
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the fuck our point is not men doing things as toxic masculinity it's the bad things they do
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and then get coverage for or never go to jail for or lie about or right now we're just screaming i
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know well let's get into your story then because it's about bad things so we're gonna stay on that
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fucking topic anyways. Good plan. This one's crazy and like an infamous cold case
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that you cover of all things. And when we come back, you'll tell us if it's solved.
00:23:07
The hypocrisy. Yeah. All right. Let's get into Karen's story about the Bloody Benders.
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Now, who goes first? Uh, I went... First? I went first in Fort Lauderdale, right?
00:25:54
Okay. Yeah. Awesome. that's you then it is here's the here's the um exciting surprise I'm not sure if I've ever if
00:26:04
I've done this before yeah how I mean okay well it'll be if you don't know then I won't know
00:26:14
I can't tell you how many times I've texted Steven and been like sorry is this like it goes from like
00:26:23
is Georgia doing this one when we're on the road? Yeah. To then like, have we ever done this one?
00:26:27
Well, I've done that before. I had to look it up because you just see the same name so many times over and over.
00:26:32
And you have to like look for details to remember which fucking piece of shit was the murderer
00:26:35
that you're like looking for. Also, we talk about things sometimes without doing them, which is what I think I'm remembering
00:26:42
on this one. Yeah. But I could be wrong. I'm excited. Let's just tell me. Let's do this.
00:26:49
It's the Bloody Benders. Which ones are they? Why don't you tell me? Okay. Well, then that's a very good sign.
00:26:55
Yeah. Well, no, it's not because I have a terrible memory. Fuck. Okay, go. That's the most disappointed sign.
00:27:05
I wish I could be doing better right now, but I'm almost positive I haven't. I just know that there's a really good dollop about it that I've heard.
00:27:12
I have also that thing where all of my memories are starting to just bleed into each other
00:27:16
where it's like, did I do the podcast myself or did I hear the dollop do it? Right.
00:27:20
Am I? I don't. I, that name sounds familiar, but I don't think we've done it. All right.
00:27:25
I'll tell you about it. Tell me about it then. Let me tell you a little bit about, um, and I actually, at one point today, cause I had
00:27:30
part of it done. I called my sister cause she wasn't doing anything. I'm like, can you please find me some articles that I can read in the midst?
00:27:37
So this was a real, um, this was a real 11th hour, super special one. Um, uh, but one, the main spot that I got, like to me, the best information.
00:27:51
It was from an article on a website called Ranker, which I don't think we talk about that much.
00:27:55
I love Ranker so much. It is every time there's a Ranker link, that article will give me the biggest, best chunk of information.
00:28:05
Yep. It's so good. That's my late at night reading. Like 15 EMTs tell you their most gruesome fucking thing that ever happened to them.
00:28:15
Or like, it's just those crazy lists. Yeah, and they have endless true crime shit and serial killer shit.
00:28:23
Endless. And there's, so the woman that wrote this article is named Kat McAuliffe, and I'm positive that I've read her stuff on either, also on Ranker or on other websites too.
00:28:33
So she wrote a couple of these articles about the Bloody Benders. So thank you, Kat McAuliffe, for all the work you do, enabling me to do much, much less work.
00:28:43
Okay. So in 1870, a family of German immigrant homesteaders named the Benders made their way by wagon to Labette County, Kansas, and settled on 160 acre farm located directly, directly like on the Osage Trail.
00:29:01
A hundred percent. You've never done this. Really? A hundred percent. Okay, thank God.
00:29:05
Because this is one of my favorites, and I've wanted to do it for a long time. And I don't know why I haven't.
00:29:11
I guess I just never, I lost track of it. We lost track after college. Okay, good.
00:29:19
That makes me happy. So first the men went out. So John Sr. and the son, John Jr., they went, and they built a barn, they built a cabin,
00:29:27
they dug a well. And then the mother, Elvira, who was also known as Kate, and then the sister, daughter named Kate.
00:29:38
Elvira. Or Kate. Kate Jr. Kate Jr. Kate and Kate Jr. Elvira or Kate Sr. Very similar.
00:29:45
They arrived in 1871. And they bought livestock. They had a farm. There was an orchard that was on the property.
00:29:54
And so basically they um the cabin that they built was pretty big So it became the Bender Inn And so the front of the cabin was a general store and the inn
00:30:07
And then it was divided by the canvas that they put over their covered wagon. They took it off their covered wagon and then they put it up to serve as the divider between their private rooms and then the store.
00:30:22
Rustic. You know. You see that on HGTV now. I'd love to pull down this canvas and just open up this space so we could see right into the orchard.
00:30:32
See the lice canvas? Can we get that down? The smallpox canvas? Could we cut some circular holes?
00:30:39
I think circular would be an amazing shape to see in this canvas. Absolutely. And then, of course, the lice.
00:30:47
It'd be lovely to see the lice. I'd love to see the lice backlit so that I can see the patterns that they're making in the canvas.
00:30:53
Beautiful. Okay, so they all basically, they're pitching and they're like, we're going to have this place and it's this stopover.
00:31:01
So at the time, of course, there were, it's, you know, it's the late, mid to late 19th century America.
00:31:09
So there's all these, they're moving American tribes and they're telling people you can come settle here.
00:31:17
And then you can also on your way, you can go out to the West. Yeah. Hey, we own this, this piece of land now, everyone.
00:31:23
Americans. Go get your thing. I'm sure there's all kinds of details that people care about history.
00:31:28
No, I think go get your thing. Go get your thing sums it up. Pretty much exactly.
00:31:33
Go get your thing, said a man in charge. Everyone went, thank you. So they got their thing. Yeah. They were like, I fought in the Civil War. Fuck this shit. I'm
00:31:41
out of here. I want to go to California. I want to get my own thing. Surf and smoke weed. Yeah.
00:31:45
So the Osage Trail was one of the ways people went out west. And so the benders saw that that was an opportunity.
00:31:56
They could build this spot and have this, I keep calling it a stopover. There's a better word for it.
00:32:01
I don't know what it is. But basically they could get provisions there and spend the night or just get their stuff and go.
00:32:08
But it would be like the central spot. Also, the daughter, Kate, claimed to be a psychic and a spiritualist who could talk with the dead.
00:32:15
So the locals that became a word of mouth thing were then the locals were also coming there just to, you know, tell their grandfather they love them and stuff like that.
00:32:26
Or ask where they hit the key to the to the state of the horse. Yes. The horse won't start. Please ask your father.
00:32:36
And I was like thinking, why would people travel to go get like their palm read or whatever?
00:32:40
It's like because there's no TV. There's nothing. Nothing to do but fuck and get your palm read.
00:32:47
And then read that old Bible someone brought in their wagon with them. Yeah. And also stare at the lice canvas.
00:32:54
So this place kind of became a place to be. Okay. I think of it as the Wendy's on the 5.
00:33:05
Yeah. That's by the Split P. Andersons. That also is attached to a convenience store.
00:33:13
gas station and has a subway. Exactly. So if you don't want to do fast food, some people in the car don't want to eat fast food ever. But Hey, everyone's got,
00:33:25
then also if you need gummy bears, it's there, they're all there. Yeah. Well, the vendors started that. Okay. Let's attribute it to that. That was their thing.
00:33:33
That was kind of their jam. Okay. Um, so, uh, Okay, I said they all work there, right?
00:33:43
Yeah. Okay. I actually wrote the sentence, this was the time of great expansion.
00:33:49
What the fuck? What am I even talking about? I don't know if that's true or not.
00:33:52
I know nothing about it. It probably was. I mean, I think it was generally. Listen, our great nation was growing.
00:34:01
The Oregon Trail was happening. The video game, the Oregon Trail was happening at the time.
00:34:05
kids were playing the organ trail in libraries across the nation um dysentery everywhere you
00:34:12
know don't forget the donner party was in there somewhere right go in and get your jelly beans go
00:34:16
this is your time to the yeah sarsaparilla sarsaparilla the end goodbye um uh dude oh so the thing about this obviously here's what i do now for a fact okay tell me that a lot
00:34:31
of, there was obviously tons of immigrants in America as we do. So a lot of these travelers
00:34:36
had already come off a boat. They'd already been traveling and they were like, we got to go get
00:34:41
that big chunk of land, the government said we could have or, or however they were going to do
00:34:45
it. And they were basically like, get in there and get through. So they didn't have, you know,
00:34:50
maybe they had their immediate family, but that was it. So if people were traveling a lot, they
00:34:56
weren't expected back anywhere. No one was like, Whoa, you didn't hit your mark. You didn't, you
00:35:01
said you were coming on the 28th. And how would you even know? Call Western Union. Exactly. You
00:35:05
send a letter and seven months later, it somehow finds someone. Right. So the, this helped the
00:35:11
vendors because the vendors were not what they seemed to be. Were they bloody? They were the
00:35:17
bloody, bloody vendors. It might just be one bloody, but, um, well now it's two. I love to go sit.
00:35:23
So, um, when people stopped along the way, they tended to disappear when they stayed at the Bender Inn.
00:35:32
And a lot of people didn't notice because there were just these people that were passing through.
00:35:36
Yeah. But, uh, someone did, uh, notice when a man named George Lanchet, I'm going to pronounce it French, but it could be launcher.
00:35:46
But I'm going to say George Lanchet and his infant daughter stopped at the Bender Inn.
00:35:51
They were on their way to Ohio. They were from Kansas and they never returned home And their neighbor Dr Henry William Henry York was a prominent doctor And he immediately noticed when they didn come back when George said he was coming
00:36:05
back and he set out to go find them. Um, but he did the brilliant thing that you always do before
00:36:14
you're about to go do something, especially by yourself. You tell a bunch of fucking people what
00:36:19
you're doing and where you're going and why. Yeah. You communicate. So Dr. William Henry York was a prominent doctor.
00:36:26
He had a brother who was a colonel, Colonel Ed York, and his other brother, Alexander
00:36:32
York, was a senator. Oh, shit. So he informed the superstar York brothers. He was like, hey, I'm going to try to go find my neighbor.
00:36:39
Something weird has happened. Yeah. He didn't come back. So then when Dr. William Henry York didn't come back, the superstar brothers were like
00:36:48
something really weird's happening. So the Colonel Ed York got a, a posse of 50 soldiers to come with
00:36:57
him. And they just started searching every single homestead along the Osage trail. Cause they were
00:37:04
like, this is fucked. Yeah. And, um, when they got to the Bender Inn, it was March 28th, 1873.
00:37:11
and the colonel explained to the benders that he was looking for his brother. And the benders told him, yes, his brother did stay there, but then he left.
00:37:23
And there's probably a good chance that he had a run in with some of the Native Americans
00:37:28
nearby. And they, so the colonel left, they continued searching on, but as they asked more people
00:37:36
around, they started hearing these stories of fucked up shit that was happening to people
00:37:40
at the benders. So there was a woman that told them a story of getting chased out of the bender in with knives.
00:37:45
And then upon hearing that, he was like, we're going back there. Right. So they go back and they have another conversation with them.
00:37:55
If you I highly recommend listening to the the dollop because Dave did so much fucking research.
00:38:03
It's so hilarious. And there's a whole standoff that happens when they go when they go back to recheck.
00:38:09
because the first pass is like, oh, it's just this nice family. You would never think twice about, you know, the son, the daughter, everyone's so sweet and kind.
00:38:18
When they go back, the vibe is a little bit different. And the colonel knows he can't just arrest them.
00:38:24
He has to have proof. He has to have a warrant to search the house, whatever. So he's like, yeah, I'm going to be back.
00:38:29
Well, they go to get that warrant. And when they come back, the vendors are gone.
00:38:33
The whole cabin is empty. And when they go into the house, the cabin to search it, they first notice there's absolutely nothing inside.
00:38:44
Then the smell hits. No. And it is a smell that's so bad. And they finally realize it's coming from this trap door.
00:38:52
Oh, dear. And it's so bad. They open the trap door and no one can stay inside the cabin.
00:38:58
They end up having to take the cabin off its foundation so they can look in the cellar.
00:39:03
Oh, my God. Because no one could do it. And when they see into the cellar, the cellar floor is covered in congealed blood.
00:39:13
Ew. I bet it's so hot out in the middle of there too, right? Probably. Ew. So gross.
00:39:19
So then they know something bad has been happening. And they're like, everyone's freaking out, but there's no bodies, there's no body parts
00:39:27
or anything down there. It's just congealed blood. It's just congealed blood. So they're like, holy shit.
00:39:31
Yeah. so the colonel goes up and now i'm gonna now i'm gonna just tell a little white lie because this is
00:39:37
how i pictured in my mind but i do not i don't think there's very many hills in kansas so it's
00:39:43
probably not who cares how i picture it but he basically went and got like a bird's eye view
00:39:49
somehow of the land so either he went up on a little hill is how i like to picture it and like
00:39:55
look down on it or he just kind of got got back a bit and he noticed drone he got a drone he got
00:40:01
sent a drone up. He got a drone, which was just a hawk. And he noticed that there were depressions in the apple orchard soil. Oh, dear. Right.
00:40:13
I thought of your pig people. Dude, my pig people. No stone unturned. That's one of the
00:40:18
ways that they find clandestine graves is those. And they say there's only certain times of day
00:40:24
when you can tell where the shadow is going. If there's a depression in this in the soil.
00:40:29
crazy like if you look at it at sunset you can see that the shadows are fucked up and there's
00:40:35
a depression yeah it's really yeah yeah no I love it I was that's all I thought of when I got to that
00:40:39
part where I'm like I wonder if either he had so much experience being a colonel right that he had
00:40:45
seen stuff like that before or if it just like hit him of like that's not right right either way
00:40:51
they took metal rods and they started poking the earth in the orchard it's stinky and there was
00:40:57
some, obviously there was some ground that was hard and solid and then they would come upon
00:41:03
really soft ground. So the first time they did that, they started digging and almost immediately
00:41:08
they found the body of Dr. William York. He was barely, he was barely down in the ground.
00:41:15
So they uncover him and then they start uncovering other bodies and they end up finding eight buried
00:41:23
bodies in the orchard alone. Wow. But some of the graves are so deep that they, they, they like that
00:41:33
they're like, they're realizing, oh, there could be tons of people buried out here and we just
00:41:38
wouldn't know it because they could have buried 10 people in one grave this deep. They also found
00:41:44
a father and daughter in a single grave. And there was no injuries on the girl, except for she had a broken arm but other than that nothing And they think they buried her alive and put the dead body of her father on top of her No no no Yeah Just to just to really um just to really bum you out
00:42:08
Uh, so, um, let's see. So based on the injuries of the dead bodies that they dug up, they put together the story
00:42:18
of what they figured the benders were doing. Okay. So they would have somebody that would be check into the inn.
00:42:24
And then that night it would, they would come to dinner at the dinner table and they would
00:42:28
always seat that person at the head of the table with their back, the guests back to
00:42:34
the canvas divider. Oh my God. The canvas that looks so pretty. The gorgeous lice canvas.
00:42:39
Oh no. So at some point, um, and I like to picture that they get them nice and drunk.
00:42:45
So they're having a real good time. What do they have? Mead? What do they drink back then?
00:42:48
Back then, I would say it's some kind of a beer, right? Yeah. Blood cellar beer.
00:42:53
Yeah. Okay. So at some point in the dinner, either John Sr. or John Jr. Not Elvira?
00:43:06
Not Elvira Sr. or Kate Jr. goes behind the canvas and hits them in the head with a hammer.
00:43:15
Knocks them out. And then Kate slits their throat with a knife. The little girl or the mom?
00:43:21
The girl. Kate Jr. Why does she do it? That was her jam? No. I'm not sure why they think she did it.
00:43:28
Maybe it was something about the mother that she couldn't do it or whatever. Like she was a strong one.
00:43:36
But then they had this trap door. So they would just drop the dead body down the trap door into the cellar.
00:43:42
I think. And so that that was all gone and away. And so that basically they could do that and get away with it.
00:43:49
And there could be people in the general store. There could be people in the inn and they could like just get rid of these people.
00:43:56
And then they would rob them and they would get, you know, a lot of these people had stuck all their stuff in their covered wagon and had everything that they owned and had tons of money on them and tons of valuables on them.
00:44:08
And the vendors just took it all. But they also noted that there were some people that they only got a dollar off of or ten dollars.
00:44:17
So they said this was actually like a serial killing family because sometimes they just did it to do it.
00:44:23
Wow. Yeah. Because it wouldn't be it wouldn't even make sense to kill a person who just had four bucks in their pocket.
00:44:29
It was like it would actually draw attention and not be the best idea. But they did it anyway.
00:44:35
So. Buckers. Right. At the time, Senator York, the other fancy brother, offered a $1,000 reward for the Bender's arrest, which is the equivalent today of $20,000.
00:44:48
Holy shit. And then the governor of Kansas put up a $2,000 reward, so $40,000. Oh, my God.
00:44:54
But despite all the reward money, the Benders were never caught. They were never seen again.
00:45:00
What? They disappeared. No. Yes. Now, there's all kinds of people who said they saw them places that gave weird information.
00:45:10
There were people who confessed to being the benders. It was, you know, it was like a huge story, but they themselves were never found.
00:45:19
Jesus. There was a story that there was a boat in Mexico that was out at sea in the Gulf of Mexico.
00:45:29
And a balloon, a hot air balloon crashed onto the deck of the boat. And the benders were inside and, and Elvira, John senior and Kate all died in the crash.
00:45:43
John junior survived and did a deathbed confession of where the benders, we killed all these
00:45:48
people. My father made or whoever he was that John senior was a hot air balloon maker in Germany.
00:45:57
And he's been making this hot air balloon for our escape. and that's like that's how he got there.
00:46:04
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He lost me about... What? No. That balloon perfectly landed,
00:46:13
crash landed onto the bow of a boat. Onto three murderous members of a family. It's like, I think that's how Wizard of Oz started.
00:46:23
It is? Shut up. Well, that's from the Wizard of Oz. I mean, there is that part. Remember?
00:46:30
There were men in my town. no oh no he's remember he's gonna leave it's the end oh yeah yeah yeah oh shit yeah he's gonna
00:46:41
leave and then she's like i'm not going with you and like and then tap your shoes together
00:46:45
and tap your shoes and then there's no place like home travelers um wow can then kill travelers
00:46:52
anyway that's that's just like a story somebody had which is kind of genius but ultimately they're
00:46:58
what they ended up finding out after all of it, there were no official papers that proved that they were actually a family.
00:47:06
So what it is believed is that Elvira, AKA Kate senior and Kate junior were mother and daughter.
00:47:14
John senior was not related to anybody by blood. John junior was not related to anybody by blood.
00:47:20
And they think actually Kate junior and John junior were husband and wife common law and that they were all,
00:47:27
they were basically a gang of thugs that got together that got together. And we're like, if we pretend we're a family, people will trust us.
00:47:34
We can't just be four randos that are sitting in a cabin going like coming by oats from us.
00:47:39
But if we're like, come to the Bender family in, people would be like, oh, thank God.
00:47:44
Yeah. Biscuits and a good conversation with the Bender. Right. And so they that it was like a scam from from the setup.
00:47:51
Where do you think they went? You know what's so cool is that someone listening,
00:47:55
I bet right now is related to the vendors. Yes. Way more good stuff. Or doesn't know anything.
00:48:03
Oh, it's just like slowly realizing. Yeah. Or like someone and they'll never know.
00:48:08
It's like someone's great, great, great. Not that great, great, great aunt is Elvira.
00:48:16
Yes. Or great grandparents are John and Kate who just were like. Plus eight. Plus eight.
00:48:24
They went and had eight kids. All at once. In Indiana. Yeah. uh let's see i think that oh the other rumor was that elvira um elvira had as many as five husbands
00:48:39
before the bender in you know event and all of them died by blunt force trauma to the head
00:48:46
but that is hot goss and i think also unproven but that was just basically like they you know
00:48:53
people try you love a black widow i love a black you love a vintage black widow there's something
00:48:59
so it's almost like women were so oppressed that some women busted out in a way that like they just
00:49:06
went batshit crazy yeah where it's like oh you're gonna oppress me watch how i kill everybody yeah
00:49:12
and and get away with it in that way of like she's so sweet no one ever expect uh expected
00:49:18
i no one ever suspected suspected suspect or expected it's a true crime podcast and i don't
00:49:25
know the word suspect. All in all, the bloody benders were believed to have killed at least
00:49:30
a dozen people, possibly over 20. Oh my God. Yeah. And that is it. What if, okay. What?
00:49:39
What if HH Holmes, I feel like HH Holmes must be involved in this somewhere. He was friends with
00:49:43
them. He knew them. Yes. It's a similar thing. They have it. They have an inn. They have a place
00:49:47
where people come and stay. Yes. What if, I don't know if the timeline matches up. I think it does
00:49:52
Because this is about 10 years before H.H. Holmes. H.H. Holmes is John Jr. Yes, he is.
00:49:58
And he got a taste for it. We solved it. He was like, he was watching Kate slit the throats.
00:50:04
He was, you know, he was hitting the back of the head, but on the other side of the canvas.
00:50:08
He's like, I got to get more of a first person. Yeah. This is fun, but I'd like to do something a little crazier.
00:50:14
And a little nicer. Cabins are, this is trashy. Let's do a hotel. um oh also they call they people took the cabin apart by hand uh-huh um and i think they they
00:50:28
think kept kept it for uh you know do we know where it is can we visit it can we spend the
00:50:33
yes it's now called hell's acre and they can we camp on the ground i don't think so because they
00:50:40
say it's haunted not that you could still do it though well but it's like it's totally cleared
00:50:45
They think there's bodies out there that they know what we're about. And they've like ghost shows have gone there.
00:50:51
Well, we're, we're going for a live show. A live show. To have it in, to put on a live show in the center of Hell's Ape.
00:50:58
Well, great. I'll see you after. Yeah. Okay. That's them. Dude, that's great. I know I'd never, I didn't know that.
00:51:09
Thank fucking God. No. What a night. That's why I was like, I wish I knew this for a fact.
00:51:16
But these days, when I'm 80% sure of something, it immediately drops to 30% sure.
00:51:21
I just kind of don't know anything anymore. Do you know that we have, someone made us a Wikipedia, and I think it lists each episode.
00:51:31
Is that true, Steven? It's shaking his head yes. He knows. They list every episode and what each, so you can control F and put in Bender.
00:51:39
Did it come up? No? Then you've never done the goddamn Bender. Hell yes. I know I had to do it because I was like, have I done this murder once?
00:51:46
It's nice that we're getting to that point. I mean, like, it's exciting that this has gone on long enough that we're in this area.
00:51:52
Yeah. I mean, until we play our last game of Guess Who, this is going to go on for a long fucking time.
00:51:57
And we're not going to remember this shit. We're going to be little old ladies being like, did I ever do Theodore Bundy?
00:52:02
Now, Steven, I am interested in Theodore Bundy. What about him? Great. Thank you.
00:52:10
Thank you. That was great. okay we are back karen any updates there are updates so the bender's land was sold in 2020
00:52:23
at auction to a new owner his name is bob miller he's long been fascinated with the family
00:52:28
and he connected with kansas university's anthropology department in 2022 hoping to
00:52:35
organize an archaeological investigation of his land cool right such a good idea and like
00:52:41
to me, that's that kind of thing of like, oh, you've been interested in this story and now
00:52:44
you're actually doing something to forward the information and the answers, which is amazing.
00:52:49
Like the right person bought the land. It could have been sold to shitty ass developers. And this
00:52:53
guy's like, fuck no. Yeah. He's not going to put a strip mall on it. In 2023, KU anthropology faculty
00:53:01
and students started working on that site. As of 2024, they've reportedly unearthed 1200 artifacts,
00:53:08
including wagon parts, broken furniture, broken window glass, and many other items. And according
00:53:17
to reports, Bob Miller dreams of someday opening a museum about the benders on the land. How
00:53:22
brilliant is that? He actually said, quote, the artifacts themselves are interesting, but they're
00:53:27
only 20% of what we're interested in. Where they're found, the context in which they're found
00:53:32
is more important to us. That can tell us a lot. When you're able to say, this is next to that versus this is over here,
00:53:40
you get a better understanding of the people and their behaviors. If you want to read a book about the bloody benders
00:53:47
after you listen to this episode in full, novelist Camilla Bruce wrote All the Blood We Share,
00:53:54
a novel of the bloody benders of Kansas which is a historical fiction version of the story And then author Lee Ralph published the book Hell Comes to Play in 2023
00:54:06
That's nonfiction about also about the Benders. So you have your choice. Oof. I want to read both of them.
00:54:11
I know. Me too. Oh, my God. OK, so this one, this story has stuck with me for the rest of my life, I will say.
00:54:19
Like, there's a movie about it. I think I go into it. When I hear the word Perth, Australia, I just think of this story.
00:54:27
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00:56:45
Kind of. It's a couple. Yeah. All right. Like a month or two ago, someone on one of the platforms said, you guys should watch
00:56:55
this movie called Hounds of Love. Okay. And I'd never heard of it. It's an Australian movie, like a thriller.
00:57:01
And I was like, I was alone. Vince was out. I was like, I'm just going to fucking watch it.
00:57:07
Put it on. You can get it on Amazon. and then my mind was fucking blown. Shit. It's okay.
00:57:16
Here, let's do this. It is loosely, they say loosely, but it is very, very not loosely based on this crime.
00:57:24
Okay. On this murderous couple from Australia. And I wanted to do this couple when we were in Australia,
00:57:31
but I ended up not doing them. So when I watched this movie, I kind of knew some of the details.
00:57:35
Oh, okay. And the movie is incredible because the acting is so fucking good. But I swear to God, if you're if you are faint of heart, you're not going to like this movie.
00:57:43
Vince would have fucking if you're not into true crime, hardcore, you're not going to like this movie.
00:57:48
Because it's so upsetting. It's upsetting and so realistic. And but it was it's like one of my favorite movies I've watched because it's so good.
00:57:56
OK, Vince would have been like, this is troubling. I can't watch this. And I'd be like, yeah, me too.
00:58:00
It's very troubling. Really, I would have been like, I can't wait to watch. It's so good.
00:58:04
OK. it is very troubling yeah oh i'm really disturbed by this this is wrong this is wrong and then he
00:58:12
goes to bed and i like put it on um so that movie is called hounds of love watch it after i tell you
00:58:18
about this okay uh about what it is based on even though the director said it's not or the writer
00:58:25
said it's not the more house murders okay everyone in perth australia is like fuck yes right now
00:58:30
Nice. Okay. Perth. Perth. Sorry we didn't come there. Perth again. Our apologies.
00:58:35
We'll be there one day. Someday. Someday. Okay. Let's start on November 10th, 1986.
00:58:42
So this takes place in the 80s. 86. A fucking crazy hysterical, barely dressed 17 year old girl in this suburb of Perth runs
00:58:51
into a vacuum cleaner shop and begs the shop owner to call the police that she had just
00:58:56
been raped and she had been kidnapped and had just escaped. Whoa. When police got there, she said she'd been abducted at knife point by a couple who had taken her back to their house and raped her and held her captive.
00:59:07
The police are fucking like bullshit skeptical at her. They pass her off to one of their most inexperienced police members.
00:59:16
So it's Constable Laura Hancock's first day on the job. No. She's 22 years old. This is her first statement she's ever taken.
00:59:28
holy shit they take this seven history not historical like the 17 year old girl to her
00:59:35
who has a story and they say to her hey uh this you need to take notes on this to write her up
00:59:41
for lying for making up a story like they don't believe it at all and they're like here you go
00:59:45
constable fucking laura hancock do some paperwork do some paperwork get this chick out of here
00:59:52
So Miss Laura Hancock of course or Constable Laura Hancock of course is a female and has empathy So she was like hang on a minute There a lot of details about this And she is too and she telling it to emotion not emotionally but like emphatically that this isn fake
01:00:11
Yeah. She describes getting a lift from a couple while walking home the night before.
01:00:15
They put the knife to her and they chain her in their home in on Morehouse Street.
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and that she had escaped in the morning by breaking through a window and running.
01:00:27
And this ends the four-week killing spree at the hands of a couple that left four other women dead.
01:00:33
Oh, my God. Okay, so let's go. Let's talk about the fucking motherfucking shitty-ass couple.
01:00:39
These assholes. David Burney. It's the Burneys. David Burney is born February 16th, 1951.
01:00:44
He's the eldest of five children. Super dysfunctional family. His parents go to ask the priest for permission to get married.
01:00:51
And the priest is like, I don't think that this can lead to anything good. His parents say that about his parents getting married.
01:00:59
Oh, my God. He grows up in a suburb of Perth. There's rumors that the family, the mom's super promiscuous.
01:01:06
There's alcoholism. There's incest going on. The house is filthy. The kids have no supervision.
01:01:11
The mother has a mental age of 14. Oh, no. Really fucked up family life. Don't feel bad for him.
01:01:17
He's a murderer. Okay. That's right. Catherine Harrison, she's also born in 1951.
01:01:21
She's two years old when her mother, Doreen, dies giving birth to her brother. Brother also dies, the baby.
01:01:28
Father can't cope, so he sends her to live with her maternal grandparents. At 10, she gets sent back to her father.
01:01:37
It's just a really, her whole childhood is fucked up. Yeah, just basically adults letting her know that she's kind of not welcome anywhere.
01:01:47
Not welcome, not wanted. Her mom is dead. So both of these people, you know, normally I would be much more sympathetic to these poor children being raised in this awful way.
01:01:57
Of course I would. But I've been studying what they've done for, you know, a while now.
01:02:03
And you just can't. Yeah. You can't. You can't. OK. By 14, David and Catherine are in a relationship.
01:02:11
They lived in the same town. They started doing petty crimes together. And Catherine eventually gets caught and sent to prison.
01:02:18
and she breaks free from David, who was by all accounts really controlling. And so they had had this tumultuous relationship.
01:02:26
By her 21st birthday, she's married to the son of the family she's a housekeeper for.
01:02:32
I bet they loved that. I know, right? That family. Yeah, I think they were a well-to-do family.
01:02:37
That's like the plot of 1,000 Downton Abbey. It's like, what? You're marrying the maid?
01:02:42
Exactly. By the time David's an adolescent, he'd been convicted of several crimes.
01:02:47
He had attempted rape on an elderly woman and spent time in and out of prison. In his early 20s, he marries his wife and they have a daughter.
01:02:56
Catherine has seven children with the housekeeper dude guy. They have seven kids.
01:03:05
Sorry, I was going to say that's old school Irish Catholic. Right. That's a lot of kids.
01:03:09
Her first son, though, as a baby is struck and killed by a car in front of her. No.
01:03:15
Yeah. In their driveway. No. So if she's already fucking crazy, she's got to be out of her mind by that point.
01:03:21
I mean, hell yes. So in 1985, she, Catherine, abandons her husband and six children and goes to live with David.
01:03:32
They get back together at this point. I mean, I have to say, when you were talking about being 14 and doing crimes together,
01:03:39
I got a little like, oh, like there is something to that that I can see would be really bonding.
01:03:46
And very exciting. Well, what's really crazy about this, and there's so many aspects of it that don't make sense when you look at serial killers.
01:03:55
And one of them is like, if these two people hadn't been together with these things have happened.
01:03:59
Yes. And I think, and so they kind of, it's like they were made for each other because they were both fucking awful.
01:04:06
Yeah. You know? Yes. And I have. Yeah. It's like when you meet someone and you both hate the same people.
01:04:13
Yeah. Only like times a thousand. And then you kill those people. Yes. And then you make a list.
01:04:22
You write it down. You both agree. Yeah. Oh, all right. OK. Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.
01:04:28
So Catherine and David, they're in their adults now. They get back together. They move in together.
01:04:34
They're like, we're where it's you and me. We're Bonnie and Clyde. All that bullshit.
01:04:39
Do you have any idea where they remet? Like it was adjusted. They pass in the grocery store.
01:04:43
Yeah, you got to wonder. I want to know really. I know that I couldn't find that anywhere.
01:04:47
Was there some kind of a dating video dating service? He was his first wife. He was cheating on her constantly.
01:04:56
And he even put an ad in the paper saying bored husband looking for sex because he was a crazy sex addict.
01:05:02
So I kind of perverted and, you know, was just needing to bone all the fucking time.
01:05:09
Yeah. The marriage broke up when he had their 16-year-old babysitter move into the house to sleep with him.
01:05:16
Dude. And his wife was like, get the fuck out of here. His wife's like, you know what?
01:05:21
Yeah. This plus all that laundry I have to do, I'm done. Go bye. The romance is gone.
01:05:26
Right. Shit. So these are some fucked up characters to begin with. So Catherine moves in with David.
01:05:33
She changes her last name to Bernie, even though they didn't get married. They moved into a house in Willoughby in Perth Southwest on a street called Morehouse.
01:05:44
So that's why it's the Morehouse murders. For more than a year after getting together, David and Catherine...
01:05:52
Okay, David looks like... You know Julia Louise Dreyfuss husband in Veep The tall skinny with a tall long nose I do What his name The actor Mm hmm
01:06:05
Dave Pasquese. How? What? How do you? Because I know him in real life. Do you? Yes.
01:06:11
I was in a pilot with him long, long ago. You know, every famous person. It's crazy.
01:06:18
If you hang around this dumb town long enough, you meet everyone. He looks exactly like him.
01:06:25
perfect it is so uncanny i want to show you a photo right yes i have to see okay and then
01:06:32
so that's what he looks like and she and katherine looks like if juliette lou juliette lewis was
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normal oh god for a second i was gonna be like is this some kind of a vape review juliette lewis
01:06:44
okay juliette lewis the actress and musician if she were a basic bitch like a normal looking like
01:06:50
80s, you know, beige wearing person. Like bad shirts. Yeah. OK. That's what she would look like.
01:06:58
Exciting. And the actors in the movie Hounds of Love look exactly like them. Here's Karen.
01:07:03
Stephen's showing Karen a photo right now. Am I right? Yes. But I have to say, oh, my God.
01:07:12
That's so funny. Which part? Well, first of all, the Juliette Lewis woman is is looks like she's a pretty
01:07:20
leaded hard to grab a life. Like, yeah, it does not moisturize. No. But did you ever see District 9?
01:07:28
Yeah. The actor or Chappie or any of those, that South South African. Shota Copley.
01:07:38
Is that his name? Yeah. Jesus, you too? Oh my god. Yes. We're going to go to a trivia
01:07:44
night. I think that guy looks like him. Yeah, I can see that for sure. It's that
01:07:50
it's just this like long prominent nose just like jaw line really thin wiry like he was a mechanic
01:07:59
so he looks has a mechanic sinewy body I get it but also this guy's David Bernie's eyes
01:08:08
frightening hers too they both are clear sociopaths and you'll find out more so when I tell you what they did
01:08:16
alright that was fun All right. Hollywood corner. Hollywood corner. So they get back together and they start fucking feeding their crazy sexual fantasies that they have about rape and murder that the two of them both have.
01:08:34
And they start reading books about how to commit the perfect murder, what they could do.
01:08:39
They even call up, they call around town to find out where they could leave a car of one of their, if they find a victim and have to like abandon a car, where can they leave it the longest without being dead?
01:08:49
detected. And it turns out it's actually at the fucking police station, which they end up doing
01:08:53
with this, their first victim. Okay. On October 6th, 1986, 22 year old Mary Nielsen, she's studying
01:09:01
psychology at a university. She goes to the Bernie's house because she had needed to buy tires,
01:09:10
went to the mechanic place where David Bernie worked. And he was like, Oh, you know, actually,
01:09:14
I have some tires I can sell you for on the cheap. They're just at my house. You just need
01:09:18
to come there. And she's like, great. She's a student. She's trying to save money. No, no,
01:09:22
never. Yes. Tires belong in a tire shop. Yeah. Yes. In a stack. Yeah. In front of the tire shop.
01:09:29
You sit in the air conditioned fucking office and it smells like rubber and you read of an old
01:09:35
highlights magazine while you wait, just wait, wait and they get everything gets done on the
01:09:40
Promises. Yeah. The end. The end. So she goes to the house to get the tires. He immediately gags her, chains her to the bed and rapes her while Catherine watches and takes notes.
01:09:57
What? Yeah. So Catherine is in on this completely. Yeah. She's taken to Glen Eagles National Park, which was their dumping ground.
01:10:07
And as she begs for her life, she's raped and strangled with a nylon cord. And when she's dead, he stabs her knowing it would speed up decomposition because they had read about it in the murder books.
01:10:19
So they're just animals. They're monsters. And they were planning this. They're organized monsters.
01:10:28
They're organized monsters. Mary Nielsen, their first victim kind of just happened by circumstance.
01:10:35
But as we'll see, that's not what happened next. So it was just an active opportunity.
01:10:44
And they just wanted to get away with the perfect murder. So their actual plan, though, is that the sun sets and they go hunting for victims in the car.
01:10:55
They scope out the streets. Any woman who was alone, they would offer a ride. And it's a fucking nice looking young couple who's like, hi, do you need a ride?
01:11:03
It's that thing, and they do it so perfectly in the movie Hounds of Love that you...
01:11:08
The movie is so realistic, it's creepy. Sorry, what year is that movie from? Is it recent?
01:11:15
It's in the past year or two. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think. But it looks like the 80s.
01:11:22
It's such a good movie. Okay. All right. So they would... Two weeks later, they were cruising, looking for their next victim.
01:11:31
they spot 15 year old high school student Susanna Candy as she's hitchhiking along Sterling
01:11:37
Highway and Claremont. So within seconds of getting into the car with this nice couple
01:11:42
and in the movie they even had a baby seat in the back seat which is like I don't know
01:11:46
if that's really what happened but she there's a knife to her throat and her hands are bound.
01:11:51
She's taken back to the house. She's gagged, chained to the bed and raped. Then they force Susanna to send letters
01:12:00
To her family, assuring them that she's all right. But of course, the family doesn't believe it and fears for her life.
01:12:06
Yeah. After they finish raping Susanna, Catherine Burney gets into bed with them and they rape her together.
01:12:14
He tries to strangle her with a nylon cord, but she becomes hysterical. This is really fucked up, by the way.
01:12:21
I should have started with that. No, no, no. I mean, but I think it's that it is that thing of a complicit wife to a serial killer or to a serial rapist is so beyond the pale.
01:12:32
It's just so odd and so hard to comprehend in any way. And the only way I was able to even wrap my mind around what how and what was this movie.
01:12:43
Right. So I think I didn't think I was planning on doing this, the murder, even though I had read about it until I saw this movie.
01:12:48
And it, it was, yeah, it just made sense in a way that was so troubling. Yeah. And it also is the thing of like, so many times I've wanted to do the girl in the box, the
01:12:58
story, the woman who is, and she was also kidnapped by a husband and wife who's the
01:13:02
wife was, you know, obviously abused and, and like, it was not the same situation and
01:13:09
everything. Well, that's what's so interesting about this one is I don't think that that's the case
01:13:12
at all. And of course they try to make it seem that way later, but that's not, these two people
01:13:17
were equally uh complicit yeah because that's not who she was really right but it's just the idea of
01:13:23
you these assumptions that that we've all made culturally a man by himself is dangerous a man
01:13:30
and a woman are fine a baby seat clears the decks like all those things that are just like no no no
01:13:36
yeah yeah okay totally um so they force sleeping pills they force her to take sleeping pills
01:13:44
And when she's asleep, David puts a cord around her neck and tells Catherine to prove her undying love for him by strangling her.
01:13:54
Yeah, that's how you do it. Yeah. Yeah. Which she does. Wow. I know. They bury her near the grave of Mary Nielsen in the forest as well.
01:14:05
on November 1st 31 year old Nolene Patterson had run out of gas on her way home from her job as a
01:14:15
bar manager at a golf club she's standing by the side of the road when they drive up the Bernays drive up
01:14:21
she gets inside the car and so here's a creepy fucking thing they had a code for when a girl got in the car
01:14:28
if they thought she was a good victim Catherine was the one who decided if she was a good
01:14:33
victim or not, if she was okay with, you know, cause it was, if she was okay bringing this one
01:14:38
home, it was almost like you can cheat on me if I choose the person. It's almost like she thought
01:14:43
of it as cheating on her. I know. So she would say to David, I've got the munchies. And David
01:14:51
would say, yeah, I've got the munchies too. That was their code word. And so they held a knife to
01:14:57
her throat and tied her up and told her not to move. She's taken back to Morehouse street.
01:15:01
David repeatedly rapes her. They had originally decided to murder her that same night, which was kind of what they did.
01:15:08
But David kept her prisoner in the house for three days because there were signs that he had developed an emotional attachment to her.
01:15:15
Because she was this really fucking smart, you know, 31 year old woman who was like going to play them against each other and make David fall for her.
01:15:23
Yeah, that's how she was going to escape. That was her plan. but unfortunately Catherine got super fucking jealous held a knife to her throat and made
01:15:32
gave an ultimatum that David has to kill her or she's going to kill herself that Catherine's
01:15:38
going to kill herself Catherine's going to kill herself if David didn't kill um Nolene whoa I bet
01:15:44
that was an unpleasant scene to watch in that movie it's insane it's fucking insane oh yeah okay
01:15:50
So he forces her to take an overdose of sleeping pills and strangles her while she's asleep.
01:15:58
They take her body to the forest, but they bury it away from the other victims because he had some emotional attachment to her.
01:16:04
God, that's fucking weird. I know. All right. Then on November 5th, they abduct 21-year-old Denise Brown as she's waiting for a bus on Sterling Highway.
01:16:14
she accepts a ride and at knife point she's taken to the house, chained to the bed again and raped
01:16:21
they take her into the forest David assaults her again and they stab her in the neck
01:16:30
they go to bury her in a shallow grave but she's not dead and Denise sits up in the grave
01:16:37
what the fuck? oh my god, hold on a second I know. I'm doing my nervous laughing.
01:16:46
I'm doing my nervous reading because suddenly I'm realizing how... I mean, I'm not realizing, but you're in this thing and you're like...
01:16:53
No, it's the fucking... This is like living hell. But also when we were in Australia, I didn't know it from the Morehouse murders,
01:17:00
but so many people from Perth were like, my mom was David Bernie's boss. There was all these people that had...
01:17:10
They would just mention the Bernies. Like, my sister went to the school that blew up.
01:17:14
Remember that? Yeah. It was constantly being referenced. Yeah. I didn't know what anyone was talking about.
01:17:18
Yeah, I don't remember. But I'd be like, that's crazy. But we just knew it was like there was a good murder and we just didn't know about it.
01:17:24
And I had read about it a little bit, but I had so many details wrong. And I remember picturing in my head of what it looked like and what happened.
01:17:30
And it's so wrong from what really was going on. Yes. But that detail is, if it were in a movie.
01:17:38
I know. You'd be like, this is, you're going crazy. Like, let's not be, let's not turn it into like full horror movie.
01:17:44
But that's exactly what this is. And then, yes, what happened? They killed her? They grab an axe.
01:17:51
And cut her head off? No, and just hit her in the head with the axe to kill her.
01:17:56
But they say that this is kind of where Catherine broke a little bit The brutality of this part is I mean fucking stabbing someone like that not bad enough but so
01:18:08
This is just like, yeah, it would, it would cut through the reality. It's just a next level insanity.
01:18:16
Okay. So no more people dying. Okay. Okay. All right. Now. Agreed. Okay. Let's go. Let's.
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01:18:31
Oatmeal. Yeah, into the cellar. Okay, so let's get to fucking Kate Moyer. She's a badass.
01:18:38
She's a 17-year-old free spirit. She drops out of high school. She's a model. She's just gorgeous.
01:18:42
There's all these videos. Oh, there's this really great true crime show called Murder Uncovered,
01:18:47
and episode one is about her, so there's all these videos. she is the one from the beginning of the story that escaped okay all right good so she's this
01:18:56
fucking cool shit badass woman um on november 10th 1986 she accepts a ride around the corner
01:19:03
from her house after a night of drinking with friends but she's this nice couple picks her up
01:19:07
and she's like yeah give me a ride the rest of the home yeah they get to her house she goes to
01:19:12
open the door there's no door handle that thing but they take her to the house and they say oh
01:19:17
oh, you need to roll down the window or use the door handle, whatever. And she goes to do that one and there's no door handle.
01:19:24
Like they were fucking toying with her. And at that point, he pulls out a fucking knife and holds it to her neck
01:19:30
and they drive away and they tie her up. They take her to their house and they hang out with her in the living room
01:19:40
and smoke a joint with her and talk to her and ask her all these questions. They play music and they make her strip and dance to get ready to never hear the song again the same way.
01:19:53
And it's been in my fucking head since I found out what song it was. Wait, can I guess?
01:19:57
Yes. It's 86. Thank you. Beds are burning by... I'm trying to think of Australian bands.
01:20:04
Is it, you know, how do we sleep on the bed? It's a good guess, but no, it's in that...
01:20:11
Men at work? No. I don't know if they're Australian. Okay. They probably are. Rock set?
01:20:16
No. What's that Rockset song? That one? No. Okay. Want me to sing it for you? Yes.
01:20:28
I don't think I should. Do it. I'm going to say it to you and you'll sing it. Okay.
01:20:33
It's Romeo and Juliet by Dire Straits. Oh, no. Wait a second. Sing a little. Juliet.
01:20:42
Banish from the start. No, that's not right. Hold on. Stephen, hold on. I'm going to play it. Can I play it?
01:20:48
Yeah. Oh, I don't think so. I don't think we can either. If you don't know it, let me play it for you.
01:20:53
We're going to pause. I just need a tiny bit more. I don't know anymore and I'm embarrassed of my voice.
01:20:58
Okay, I'm going to play it for you. We're going to pause. So yeah, that was a song and I've just been, I've had it stuck in my head
01:21:02
the past couple of weeks and it's been real troubling. It's also so creepy because like those lyrics where it's like,
01:21:09
hey, let's give it a try. It's a love song. It's very romantic, quote unquote. it's it's so creepy there's something about that that is just so eerie to me these people were
01:21:20
fucking nuts these people were fucking nuts nutcases nutcases um all right so they like
01:21:28
smoke weed with her and hang out with her and she says to them are you guys gonna kill me and they
01:21:32
said we'll just rape you if you're good if you're just if you're good we'll just rape you jesus which
01:21:37
of course it wasn't fucking true um so david holds a knife to her throat and forces her to call her
01:21:43
mom, she says and assure her mom that she had too much to drink and was staying at a friend's house.
01:21:50
Can you imagine like on the phone with your mom being like, I've said this to you before,
01:21:54
but things like that make me go, we have to set up a code word where if you hear me say this word
01:22:00
in a conversation like that, something else is going on. I actually made this plan with my friend
01:22:05
Holly Gardner when we were 13 years old. And it was like, I can't remember why something had
01:22:10
happened where it was like either home invasion had been in the news or some kind of thing and i
01:22:14
was like we were it was some stupid thing where like we have to make up a code if we ever say this
01:22:20
it was some kind of like school books it was something about homework or books or something
01:22:25
but it was like in the movie the girl has to write a letter and there's a code in it that she puts in
01:22:30
there really and yeah it's fucking cool um so was it a pre-agreed code or she just put it in hoping
01:22:37
that they would find out. She put it in hoping that they would find out. I like the idea of a prayer agreed.
01:22:41
Okay. What about stay sexy, don't get murdered? If we ever say that to each other.
01:22:48
Stevens kidnapped us and made us make a podcast. You'd be like 90 episodes. I know that you're trying to get me to call my family
01:22:55
as a cover for your murder of me. Right. But real quick, do you mind if I talk about a podcast
01:23:00
with my family member? It's what we always do. Okay. If we ever say, I don't know.
01:23:08
Use the word suburbanites. Okay. If the word suburbanites comes out of any of our mouths.
01:23:14
I would never say that word normally. Okay. We'd never say that word. Suburbanites.
01:23:17
If suburbanites comes into the picture, it's code red. Okay. Something bad's happening.
01:23:23
Hey, I'm at these suburbanites house and like that. I'm trying. I'm practicing. Now you need to figure out a way to fit that word in.
01:23:32
Hey, I got drunk. I'm staying at my suburbanite friend's house. It doesn't work.
01:23:36
It doesn't work. That really stands out. It doesn't work. What if we say, if we ever say ciao instead of bye?
01:23:43
Shit. So you save it up till the very end. Oh, shit. Yeah. No, but I mean, that's fine.
01:23:48
Or what about hola? If we say hola when we're like saying hello. Hola, Karen. I just going to stay the night at my friend house Hola Que tal Okay Done We figure this out Yeah Let all just have a code word though Okay
01:24:06
Dire Straits. Blah, blah, blah. That's right. I'm going to a Dire Straits concert.
01:24:10
Right. And I'm... I'm in Dire Straits. And I am seriously in Dire Straits. Da, da, da, da.
01:24:17
Okay. Then she's forced to dance with them. Then she's forced to sleep in the couple's bed
01:24:23
while handcuffed to David. And so they rape her. Catherine joins in. She starts screaming at one point and they come in and they say the sleeping arrangements have changed and they bring her into their bed together.
01:24:39
They handcuff her ankle to David's. He tries to make her take sleeping pills. She hides them in her mouth and then tucks them into the mattress while they're sleeping.
01:24:47
Because she's like, I know that if I fall asleep here, I'm going to die. She was on fucking point.
01:24:53
And she said this is the interview. This is her first interview ever. And she seems so normal. It's scary. Like she seems amazing. She says she knew she had like a 200 to one chance of surviving, but she was going to do whatever she could to make it happen.
01:25:09
Hell yes. That's the mental place you need to be in. She was there. And you know what she started fucking doing? She was like, no one's going to believe me that I was in this house.
01:25:19
She watched them take her clothes and bag them up so that they wouldn't leave anything behind when they got rid of the evidence.
01:25:24
She knew that's what they were doing in her mind. So she said, I'm going to leave evidence here so someone knows I was here.
01:25:29
So she starts fucking hiding shit in the house. She makes little drawings and hides them in the mattress.
01:25:34
she takes the pills and hides them there she puts a lipstick in this like weird spot just to prove
01:25:39
that she was there yeah her name and everything on a little piece of paper um brilliant yeah i lost
01:25:45
my thing but hold on okay where was i hold on insert page numbers i'm telling you i did i did
01:25:55
and now i don't remember what page i was on and i don't know where i put them all right so the day
01:26:01
after she was kidnapped, the next day, David leaves her work and Catherine goes to the door
01:26:10
because someone comes to the door for a drug dealer, for a drug deal. And they think,
01:26:16
so Catherine forgets to chain Kate up. She just pushes her in the room and says, stay in this
01:26:22
room. And they think that maybe in her mind was so fucked up from the last murder that she just
01:26:26
wasn't thinking straight or wasn't on her game. Yeah. And Kate realizes it's a fucking chance to
01:26:33
escape. So she finds a window. She breaks the lock on it, pushes out the window, jumps out of the
01:26:39
window, hits her head on the concrete on the way down and starts fucking booking it down the street.
01:26:45
Yeah. Knocking on doors. No one's answering. She jumps a fence and a fucking dog attacks her
01:26:50
in someone's yard. No. Gets the fuck out, keeps running, sees it like a vacuum cleaner store with
01:26:56
a man in a suit out front and runs to him. And she says, I was hysterical. I'm barefoot wearing
01:27:03
my black leggings, a black singlet and knickers. She says to him, help, I've been raped. Please
01:27:10
take me inside and call the police. And she's afraid that Catherine is going to come after her.
01:27:16
So she says, if a woman comes here and says, I had a fight with her and I'm her daughter,
01:27:19
don't believe her. I've been raped. And so she's brought to the police station. And she's handed off to our friend, Constable Laura Hancock, our 22 year old friend who's never taken a statement before and handed off to her because they don't believe her.
01:27:37
They told her to write her up for making a false report. The Laura's hearing her story, hearing these crazy details, including how like the shine and the numbers on the fucking chains that she was locked up in.
01:27:50
What color robe David was wearing, what color robe she had to wear, all these details.
01:27:55
And she keeps going up to her outside to her, like her captain and being like, I don't think she's lying.
01:28:00
She's telling me this and this and this. And they're like, she's lying. Go back in.
01:28:03
Get more information. Finally, Kate says the couple had been using pseudonyms the whole time, but she had seen their names on the medicine bottle.
01:28:11
And the name was David Burney. Oh, shit. And then they believed her because he had a crazy fucking record.
01:28:16
Yes. So then they were like, oh, shit. So she police go to the house and in they find the stuff Kate stashed proving she was there.
01:28:30
And the movie they made her watch when they had been smoking pot. It was in the VCR.
01:28:35
It was fucking Rambo and the Dire Straits cassette in the stereo. So like all the details is there.
01:28:42
And they find her hidden trinkets as well. So David and Catherine are arrested and interrogated.
01:28:49
and just if detectives were about to give up on him, you know, it was going to be a he said, she said bullshit thing.
01:28:54
Detective Sergeant Vince Kaddich says, look, it's getting dark. Just tell us where they're buried.
01:29:00
And David says, OK. And he takes them to where the graves are. So like as a Holy Mary, he says that.
01:29:06
Just tell. It's getting dark. Just tell us. Oh, my God. Brilliant. Yeah. Later, when Catherine's asked.
01:29:16
OK, let's see. All right. All right. So they are both sentenced to four terms of life imprisonment.
01:29:22
They're required to serve 20 years before being eligible for parole. When asked why she had done it, Catherine said,
01:29:31
because I wanted to see how strong I was within my inner self. I didn't feel a thing.
01:29:35
It was like I expected. I was prepared to follow him to the end of the earth and do anything to see that his desires were satisfied.
01:29:42
She was a female. Females hurt and destroy males. That's why she did it. Killed.
01:29:48
Oh, like on behalf of males, she was killing females. She didn feel anything like all females were fucked up So after 19 years in prison David Burney is found dead in his cell On October 7 2005 he hanged himself from an air vent using a length of cord
01:30:11
Do you think he hanged himself? Yeah. I think he was really depressed and he hanged himself. Yeah. And then he was 55
01:30:21
years old after her fourth bid for parole was declined in 2016. Sorry, wait. Catherine's fourth bid for parole declined in 2016, just last year.
01:30:32
And our friend, badass Kate over here, has a campaign to end Western Australians' laws
01:30:39
that automatically put convicts up for parole every three years because she's not even asking
01:30:43
for parole. They just keep putting her up. Right. That's just, it's like a computer's doing it, basically.
01:30:49
So there's speculation, of course, that the Bernies were responsible for a couple of their disappearances, including Sharon Renwick in May 1986 and Barbara Western in June 1986.
01:31:01
And based on what the evidence they talk about in the documentary, I absolutely think that they were responsible for those two disappearances.
01:31:09
And then there's also the disappearance of Lisa Mott in 1980. And it looks like that was David's doing for sure.
01:31:18
I mean, there's just no way it wasn't. So that's the Morehouse murders. Holy shit, dude.
01:31:25
I went dark. That was crazy. They're all horrible. But I mean, that was like. It's so funny.
01:31:34
It makes so much sense now why so many people brought up the Bernies to us. Because it was a normal suburb and it was a normal couple that everyone thought was just, you know.
01:31:45
And you look deep into it and there's so many fucked up points to it. There's so many creepy details and, you know, you can't judge a book by its cover.
01:31:56
Yeah. It's so fucked up. And you can't judge a book by the baby seat in the back seat.
01:32:02
Yeah, exactly. It's just this thing of not understanding how, how you can't understand how one person would do it to begin with.
01:32:09
Ted Bundy, I can't understand how anyone would do what he did. And then you see these two people and it's almost more manipulative and more sinister.
01:32:21
And it's yeah, that's well, it's like doubles everything because then it's just like, how did you get another individual to be as fucked up as you and to go into this with you?
01:32:32
And then what does that mean about your relationship? And yeah, it's all it's all that it's just so beyond beyond.
01:32:40
Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. It's so weird not being at a live show, isn't it? What's that?
01:32:47
It's so weird not being at a live show, isn't it? Where's our applause? Stephen, clap for us.
01:32:53
How do we know when it ends? Stephen, how dare you? If there's not applause? We don't know.
01:32:57
We're just petting a cat. I don't know if this is over. Yeah. Now we're all bummed out.
01:33:06
And we are back. that's so funny that you wanted applause because we had been doing so many live shows that's such
01:33:14
a funny last thing making steven applaud for us because we've we're now our egos are now too big
01:33:20
poor steven do you have any updates on this horrible case i just have one katherine's youngest
01:33:25
son using an alias has made public statements about the difficulties of growing up in the shadow
01:33:30
of his mother's heinous crimes he's also said that he supports katherine receiving the death penalty
01:33:36
as well as Kate Moyer's efforts to reform parole laws, which, you know, we support.
01:33:41
But the idea that, like, he feels forced, and even with an alias, he feels forced to come out and say,
01:33:47
yes, I agree, my mom should be killed, where it's like, that's horrible. It's not for him to say, and public pressure should never be like,
01:33:55
you now speak and answer for your mother's hideous crimes. Right, because you happen to be the child of that person.
01:34:01
But, you know, good for him for saying something. It's just true. True. But I mean, like, is it even true? It's like he's just having to do the thing where it's like, well, that's a complete loss. So now I have to not be shunned by society. Right. Family members and friends should never be put in that position, in my opinion.
01:34:19
Totally expected to be advocates either way. Yeah. But definitely watch Hounds of Love. It's a 2016 Australian movie that's like based on the story kind of loosely, but there's a lot of factual stuff in it. And that movie has fucking stayed with me.
01:34:36
Okay, great. Well, now we're going to head back into the episode for a much needed segment, Good Things of the Week.
01:34:43
now we have to do one positive thing oh yeah that's right what's yours okay so mine is um
01:34:52
i am so obsessed with it it's our new like everyone now needs to go watch it because that
01:34:57
we're all in a fucking low place because of that story so now it's like the bobs burger thing yes
01:35:03
now go turn on go to netflix and turn on big mouth it's it's nick kroll and john mulaney's new
01:35:10
cartoon coming of age, but fucking dark and hilarious. It is so fucking good. I want to cry.
01:35:16
Vince and I were watching it and we're just amazed the whole time. Oh, that's great. It's so good.
01:35:20
That's great. Yeah. I definitely have that pause when people that I know and love and admire have
01:35:27
something come out. I have, I do like a three month pause on it and I just wait to hear what
01:35:32
people say because I get nervous. I'm afraid if people's thing is bad, then if it is, or I hear
01:35:38
it might be that I just go I just pretend it never existed right and I don't have to like
01:35:42
have an opinion one way or the other I completely understand I vetted it for you thank you so sweet
01:35:48
and so good and so wonderful I believe it because Nick Kroll is truly one of the funniest people
01:35:52
Nick Kroll is so funny and then she's proved to me like he can't do anything fucking wrong
01:35:56
no he just knows what he's doing he is so good this show is Darling. It's a darling while also being like weirdly dark and funny. It's just great.
01:36:07
That's great. Yeah. Watch it. I watched a movie on the flight home from Florida, which was kind of a beast. That was
01:36:13
like a six hour flight that we took. So I was like, when I do that, I'm always like,
01:36:17
okay, that means three movies. I can do three movies. I do it every day. I lay on the couch
01:36:22
and watch nine movies. And you know you have dogs bothering you the whole time too.
01:36:26
A little peace and quiet. Yeah. Maybe some fun strangers are going to get into an argument.
01:36:31
Snacks. Who knows? Yeah. Snacks. You know, my new thing these days is, and I don't know why.
01:36:37
This is how insane I am. When they come around and offer snacks on flights, I'm always like, no, thank you.
01:36:44
I'll eat the worst shit in the world. Oh, you just don't want them to know that you're.
01:36:49
I just try to pretend like I'm some kind of an island. Like, drink? No, thank you.
01:36:54
No, thank you. I need nothing. I already bought water. Right. Do you want some pretzels?
01:36:58
No. I'm not reliant on your snacks and beverages. I do not need you. I am self-sufficient in my movies.
01:37:05
So crazy. But that wasn't, that's not my thing. Okay. I want it to be. That's not my good point.
01:37:11
It's my independence from plain snacks. That's it. That makes me happy. I will say this, not to do a commercial for JetBlue in any way.
01:37:17
We neither hear nor there about them, except that weird thing they had where they had a
01:37:22
little. They trust you to get your own snacks. You can walk up to where the bathroom is and across from the bathroom, there is a refrigerator with every drink in it.
01:37:31
And then like a weird cupboard with a ton of snacks in it. It's like you're an adult and you can fucking police yourself and you're not going to jam a bunch of Cheez-It bags into your purse.
01:37:41
Because everyone can see you. Right. It's brilliantly placed. So it's like when I went to get, I was like, oh, I want to see what they have.
01:37:48
But then I noticed that you would have to open the door to look and see what the snacks were.
01:37:54
Well, I ate cookies. Did you? Yeah. Were they good? Yeah. No, they were fine. Is that what makes you happy?
01:37:59
I brought a ginger ale. No. I brought it back to my seat, and then I watched this movie that my friend had told me was good.
01:38:07
My friend Molly told me it was good already, but it's the Jeremy Renner, Elizabeth Olsen movie called Wind River.
01:38:17
And it's about a murder that takes place on a Native American reservation. Oh, and it is so well done.
01:38:25
And it is a female writer director and it should be getting way more press and way more attention.
01:38:32
Yeah. I think it did really good at festivals and that how like it like popped in the first place and why it like on a jet blue Yeah It really interesting Elizabeth Olsen is one of the greater actors of her generation
01:38:46
Did you ever see Martha Marcy May Marlene? That movie? If you haven't seen that movie, you got it.
01:38:53
It's about a girl that just left a cult. Oh, I'm missing out. It's great. That's from like probably four or five years ago, maybe.
01:38:59
But this one, Wind River, is this incredible, it's a murder mystery thing. But then really it kind of unfolds into this thing.
01:39:10
And at the end it does one of those like true facts go up onto the screen. And Native American women go missing on reservations constantly.
01:39:19
And there are no reports about it. Oh my God. Ever, anywhere, ever. No one looks into it.
01:39:25
No one makes, no one investigates it. And so whatever happens on this land, whoever's there and whatever they do, young women go missing or women go missing and they just don't.
01:39:37
No one does anything about it. And it's it was very upsetting. Like the story itself is good and very emotional.
01:39:44
It's really well told and well written. But then that factoid at the end that's like, this is kind of why we made this movie is so upsetting.
01:39:52
It's a thing we kind of know. Yeah. In general. Yeah. But to know that specifically about like indigenous people of America is insanely fucked up.
01:40:02
And I just I encourage everybody to kind of take it all in and and go look into it.
01:40:07
OK. And because that woman is really, really talented who put all that whole thing together.
01:40:11
And then watch Big Mouth so you stop crying. Exactly. Like take that in. Yeah. Get the full weight once again of underrepresented people.
01:40:21
Right. The marginalized people. Right. And then Big Mouth, Big Mouth at the end of it.
01:40:26
watch pig mouth for some i just know that there's tons of like in that on that show there's tons of
01:40:31
stuff about him like because it's basically him in puberty yeah yeah it's so good fucking um
01:40:38
maya rudolph her character i can't i can't give it away it's a hormone monster it's so fucking good
01:40:46
i want to cry it's so good i can't wait to watch it everything about it is beautiful
01:40:51
okay we are back from our good things we're back and before we pick a title i just i need a 2026
01:41:02
corrections corner because and it's so funny oh yeah oh my god i was so excited and proud of the
01:41:10
female writer director of wind river taylor sheridan who is such a man He is entirely a man My mistake my apologies to both Taylor Sheridan and women We can make Wind River and anything like it and more And we
01:41:28
have and we will again. I mean, you had a 50-50 chance of getting that one. Well, I guess not.
01:41:33
You had a who knows. Back in 2017, the percentage was 50-50. Nowadays, it's a lot. Nowadays,
01:41:39
it would be wrong if I didn't know. And I think I learned it on the first time I happened by
01:41:44
Yellowstone. And then I was like, wait a second. I've been tricked. She tricked me.
01:41:51
All right. So this episode was originally titled Go Get Your Thing, which we love. But if we were
01:41:57
naming it today based on some fucking rando thing we said in the episode. I mean, I would absolutely
01:42:01
name it Monte Cristo is a private sandwich, which is you talking about what it's like to eat Monte
01:42:07
cristo's i stand by that yeah it's true also if you have to eat it with a fork and a knife is it
01:42:13
still a sandwich that's i think the new hot dog is a sandwich debate yeah that's right i think that
01:42:18
it totally disqualifies it as a sandwich because then what is remaining that keeps it a sandwich
01:42:23
right yeah and if there's like an egg on it if you couldn't pick it up without being a fucking
01:42:28
disgusting human being then is it a sandwich so then it's just the shape of a sandwich right that
01:42:34
has to be dealt with like flat food. Right. It's like a casserole more than it is a sandwich.
01:42:39
I know you don't want to, but I do think we need to start this food podcast pretty soon
01:42:43
because this is compelling content. You're always good at talking about food. I can't wait to do the rewind of the first episode about is this a sandwich podcast.
01:42:55
That comes out of, oh my God, and Vince and Joe DeRosa can sue us because they already had
01:43:00
The sandwich podcast idea. Right. Okay. We could also call it, I thought of your pig people.
01:43:07
Oh, yeah. About the orchard. Of course. You know you love pig people. And I think of you often when they come up.
01:43:16
Thank you. Also, the horse won't start. That's pretty good. That's a good one. That would be funny if the horse wouldn't start.
01:43:24
All right. Well, is that it? Did we do it? I think we did it. I mean, it's that for our part.
01:43:30
We're done. Right now 2017 us has to wrap it up. Oh my God. 37 year old Georgia has to talk now.
01:43:36
Don't let her. Why does anyone let her do that? It's just a mistake to let 37 year olds talk.
01:43:41
Oh, that's too bad because we have nine years of it. So. Oh, good. Okay, great. Well,
01:43:44
let's say goodbye from 2017. Thanks for listening. Thank you. Thanks for listening You guys Thanks for being here with us once again Once again and we appreciate it And you guys are the best Thank you for everything
01:44:02
Thank you. And just from us to you, stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Bye. Elvis.
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