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Okay, let's get into the intro of episode 95. Jesus. Okay, let's get Zen. Yeah, let's get real Zen.
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Featuring Georgia Hardstark. And featuring Karen Kilgara. With a sidebar element of Stephen Ray Morris.
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Right over there on the ground. There he is. Where you expect him to be. And he always is.
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I'm cozy. He's cozy. He's there. I would never be cozy sitting in a position that Stephen is in.
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offered him a chair can we can we go ahead and it's how he likes it yeah he's into yoga he must
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be yeah well he's fucking young and you can sit however you want when you're young i'm 37 i don't
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even know what it's like not that i'm i'm so old he's very young he's a young man all the cartilage
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in his knees is still there nothing is broken hi we're back from from our amazing leg of the tour
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down in Texas. Dude, I knew that would be special. I knew that trip would be a special trip.
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It was so good. I mean, they all really are in their own way and that sounds cheesy,
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but it really is true. Yeah. And these ones were great. They were just so great. Yeah.
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In every way. I mean, why name them? Right. But they just were. Many ways. You know all the ways.
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There's so many ways you can just imagine. Somebody did make me, and I'm sorry, I don't know your name offhand, but it was the second night in Dallas.
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And a woman came up and just handed me a very beautiful silver box. And inside, she made a box full of moth cookies.
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So it was the box of moths that I fear, but in cookie form, which I don't fear. Right.
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And I think it may have erased my phobia of getting a box of moths in the mail. It happened.
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And you were happy about it. No one got hurt. It was delicious cookies. Are you scared of getting dead moths in the mail or live moths?
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Live. Like opening a box and having moths fly into my face. Like open your face.
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Right. Like Silence of the Lambs style. Yes. And is it the moths also or is it just or is it also the connotation of what would mean for one to take the time to send you a box of moths?
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Yeah. How creepy specifically that would be. Although I'm not exactly sure. Whenever we were talking about that, it just came out of my mouth.
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Right. Well, that's half of this fucking pocket. this is called like a journey into the subconscious that we never want to talk about again
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well remember that so we were both we were in dallas and we met in the lobby of the hotel
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and when we were like leaving for the show and we were both like did someone knock on your door
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and hand you a present and we were i had been freaked out because i got a knock on the door
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like who the fuck is it it was like the cons of like a whatever a guy that worked there a guy
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that worked there which like you don't want a dude fucking knocking at your door anyways when
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you're alone out of the shower. And he was like, he, you know, said someone had given a present.
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So I opened the door, which I don't know what I was thinking, handed me a gift bag. And then I was
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like okay someone knows where I staying now And this is creepy and scary And I don know who this is And then it happened to you too It happened to me And I this is the part of the brag that that I want to tell the most which is that our rooms were so big and beautiful at that hotel that someone would knock on the door this happened to me
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multiple times and it would take me so long to get to the door that they would either knock again
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or try to open the door no well but it would be like say it would turn down or the maid or something
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like that because I always forget to put that leave me alone thing on the door I always forget
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I always want to leave me alone. Vince and I fucking, this is how compatible we are. The
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moment we, we don't close the door to the hotel room before putting the leave me alone.
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I got to adapt to that. Oh my God. Cause it's, there's nothing worse than when a person
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comes into your room. They don't want to be there when you're there and you, it's like,
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you're being a creep by having not put the sign on the door. So anyway, the guy knocked,
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I was walking over, knocked again. And I said, who is it? No one answered. Knocked again. I said,
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who is it? But it was close enough to, I thought maybe it was you joking around and I didn't have
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pants on. So then I was like, Oh, I'm just going to open the door. It's our funny joke of opening
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the door with no clothes on. Right. But then this is actually a thing that's happened a couple of
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times. I love surprising with no clothes on. It's my favorite joke. It's pretty good. But I,
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so I stood behind the door, opened it. It was a dude. And he was like, here's a present for you.
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He didn't say anything but here's a present for you. And I kept the door so closed that I basically only could fit my arm out, grabbed the bag, pulled it in and slammed the door.
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Didn't say thank you. I didn't say anything. And it was really scary. Well, then, of course, we meet the woman who dropped those things off.
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Yeah. She's like, oh, did you guys get my bag that I sent you, the present? And I was terrified.
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And we were like, how do we look into this? I'm going to yell at the front desk of what's going on.
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Did you call around Texas looking for the fucking right? Our minds, of course, went in fucking insane in the way where if other people could hear
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us, they'd be like, calm down, assholes. Like, this is not that big of a deal. I don't know.
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Well, but when the explanation finally came, it was like really embarrassing. First, I saw her and she was just like the sweetest blonde Texan like angel face.
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So I'm like, all right, this is the girl who's going to kill us. It's like, OK, it's pretty good.
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She's fine. She's sweet. She'll do it nicely. But then she was like, did y'all get my present?
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I saw Vince in the parking lot of my hotel. And so I sent it up. Like she just knew that we were staying there.
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In the most natural, non-invasive, invasive way possible. She knew. And this so sent us up some.
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And also it's the thing that everyone we were going crazy for. And everyone in Texas.
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We learned that there's a gas station called Bucky's that's beloved. And Bucky's makes a product.
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steven i don't know if you know this already they make a product called beaver nuggets that are
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essentially um crack cocaine dipped in fucking like maple sugar or some shit yeah there's a pork
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rind element but also kind of like puffed see cut puffed corn cereal yeah but then maple like coating
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yeah and something about it like they don't look great it's almost got a cotton candy element yes
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because it's just like sugar and air but we were eating them like lunatics so many of those and
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that's what she sent up it was like the loveliest gift of like welcome to texas yeah we're like
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fucking you're gonna kill us we're like propelling down the side of the building
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to avoid being in the front it was so crazy but it's just that thing of like you know i can we do one last on the road story really quickly because that's my favorite of this
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the chicks whose sister, the chick and her sister. Yes. Okay. So after the, after live shows,
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we do like a meet and greet thing where we meet so many cool people, like listeners and take photos
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with them. And a lot of them give us presents, like boxes of chocolate, of candy moths or whatever.
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Yeah. So one girl when came in medicine, she was so nice. And she was like, you guys got me through
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some really hard times. Thank you so much. Whatever. I'm like, great. Okay. And then we
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go to take a photo with her. And as the photo is about to be taken. Yeah. There's like that moment
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of silence where we all turn to the camera and are like fake smile do a weird pose and right in
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that moment she goes i'm gonna do what the lady did and then georgia's gonna do what she did okay
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okay so the lady goes my sister's dying and georgia laughed just like that louder like georgia
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burst out laughing i was cracking up because when you're in a horrified position sometimes you
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just laugh. Well, and it was so quiet. It was like, it also was the tension of like, what the
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fuck are we going to do now? My sister's dying. My sister's dying. So then Georgia laughs. Then
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the picture's taking is over. Georgia! I didn't say it like that. You were kind of like,
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don't do that. Well, I was just like, that. You admonished me in a way you've never
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admonished me before. Well, you were laughing because she said her sister was dying. I didn't
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say you were in the wrong at all. I 100% agree with you. So I turn to the woman after the photo, we were like, Oh my God,
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both of us like, are you okay? Like, what are you talking about? We're like, tell us eye contact
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turned, you know, circle up, huddle up. This is a thing. And we're here for you. We get it.
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And then she goes, she is so jealous that she's not here. Right. She just used the wrong phrasing
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right in the moment of silence. So it's, it felt like she was basically saying, I'd like to tell you this very sad thing.
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My sister is dying. My sister is dying. No. My sister is dying is how she meant to say it.
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Yeah. So now we know how I react in moments of fucking horror. And now we know, I don't know.
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It was hilarious. That's about it. It was super. And also she thought it was kind of funny.
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Once we were like, we thought your sister was dying. And then she was like, oh, no, no, she's fine.
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We were like mad at her. Yeah. Because that was a lot. I do have a corrections corner And this really is only for the people that were at our second show in dallas when i did the story of terry hoffman who was this crazy cult leader it was one of my
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favorite murder stories i've ever done but at the end um i said she died in 1997 which was very odd
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i like pulled it out because i didn't have it on the page right and i'd forgotten to write i had
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some things, notes I wanted to make and I just didn't do it. So I just wanted to tell everybody
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she actually died in 2015 at age 77. That is a big difference in time. She just kept going.
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She was just like not giving up on this cold dream. No, she wasn't at all. And she, um, she,
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that book that she made was, um, the color of money, uh, the power of color, money force or the color of money power force.
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It's some bullshit book about like, and we talked about it that night, whatever color you wear is going to bring you money
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in different degrees. No. How about a fucking vintage orange clown blanket? Is that going to bring me a lot?
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Because that's what I'm wearing right now. Oh, look, there's a $50 bill stuffed underneath your butt.
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Holy shit. Oh, no, that's just where I keep my money. Oh, just stuffed right under your one cheek?
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I have a second corrections corner. Okay. this is for everybody last week i said that the director of wind river was a woman and it certainly
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is not a woman i don't remember any of this um i i'm not sure exactly where i got it but it was
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the movie that i was talking about i watched it on the plane and it was really good it was about
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the murder on uh in like uh native american land and it was uh so i said if it's taylor i'm gonna
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look it up really quick. The director's name is Taylor Sheridan. And that's a man.
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Taylor is an interchangeable name. It is. But I feel like I should have at least glanced at a Wikipedia. But I think I thought
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I remembered a female woman of love, like a Native American female woman getting accolades.
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And so I kind of really combined it all in my mind. Anyway. Okay. Props to Taylor Sheridan because it's such a good movie.
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Okay. I'll watch it. Can I tell you something from the internet? Yes. Okay. I found an article recently.
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It says, it's from a place, DC 101 is the name of the website. And it says, weird news.
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The voice behind many bestselling books on tape is actually a serial killer. No.
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So it turns out that in the 80s, a blind couple showing their appreciation to the prisoners of the California Medical Facility State Prison who have voiced, they started a program to have the inmates their voice audiobooks.
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Okay. It was, the program was then run by our friend, Ed Kemper. No! So it's called Volunteers of Vacaville or The Blind Project.
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They recorded thousands of books, bestsellers, textbooks, mysteries, science fiction, Westerns, children's books and cookbooks under tape cassettes.
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From 1977 to 87, Kemper had spent over 5000 hours in the recording booth and had more than four million feet of tape and several hundred books to his credit, including.
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And this is the best one. Flowers in the fucking attic. Addict. Addicts God damn it
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Flowers in the addictions Why do I do that Okay Purely based on Mindhunter The wonderful series on Netflix
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That I personally love And the way that actor played Ed Kemper Oh can you Imagine Flowers in the Addict as that guy
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In that kind of nerdy Voice like that She touched his groin Is that in the book I don't know
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They were sister and brother touching groins. My brother liked that. We have to track that down somewhere.
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I mean, I would never listen to that in a million years. I would. What if I started falling asleep to that at night?
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Because you know, it's relaxing. No, it is not. Calming and relaxing. No. It's one of my new fall asleep at night books.
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And then I kill a bunch of people and they're not related at all. I find, and I've already bragged that I'm sound sensitive.
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I find people's voices to be a real make or break. And knowing that a person who had that voice was also a psychotic killer who beheaded his own mother.
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It'd be a hard break for you. That would be a tough one to separate and not hear all the crickly crags of insanity and murder in there.
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Fair enough. So I can listen to a book about murder while falling asleep, but I can't listen to it.
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I shouldn't listen to a book by a murderer, read by a murderer. I don't think so.
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I don't think you know that in your subconscious. Because you do the thing where, you know, when like you look at old photos of a murderer
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and you're like, do I see it? Can I see it? Yes. I can see it in his eyes. Right.
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Will I hear it in his voice? You absolutely will. Of course I will. Don't you think?
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Yes. If nothing else, you're to be hearing the voice of a sociopath who has no human, like
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normal human connection. To the book. He's just not going to do the book justice.
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We read so much of V.C. Andrews when I was like 12. Oh my God. Me too. It should have been taken away from us.
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It should have been banned. Listen, I'm not for banning books. No. Not really, but.
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But. V.C. Andrews had some shit going on. Do you ever read My Sweet Audrina? Yes.
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Okay. I obsessed on that concept. It was so good. What if my parents have brainwashed me and I don't remember my actual childhood?
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Like that whole concept was unbelievable Can I tell you how badly I wanted to have been um adopted and uh had but i wanted to have been kidnapped by my parents and they weren really my parents yep what the fuck is wrong why
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would they because it's just like exciting like you're just sitting there in front of your tv
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dinner you know what i mean like having your normal life and you're like what is something
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happened something cool happened yeah like i didn't belong here yeah let's start let's read
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that again. Let's book club it right now. Yes. Do you want to? Yes. Oh my God. Let's all read.
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Which one do you want to do? Do you want to do my sweet? I don't remember most of my sweet
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Adrena, but it gives me chills. So I must know something is going on in that book.
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I'm pretty sure that's the one where at one point the adoptive mother, somebody scrubs somebody else
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with bleach in a bathtub. Fun. Do you remember that? No. Like you must get clean. No, let's do
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it. If it's not that one, it's a different. Let's do that one or flowers in the attic. Let's start
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with? What should we start with? I kind of want to do my sweet Audrina just because it's a little bit
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like I just rewatched the they did the Flowers in the Attic made for TV movie on Lifetime. Oh my god.
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Did you watch it, Stephen? Did Malz do an episode? No, but she should. No, she absolutely should. Wait, will you tell
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her I'll do it with her if she does it? Yes, so yeah. Do you want to do it too? Sure.
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Malz has a podcast called Mother May I Sleep with Podcast. Mother May I Sleep with Podcast that we've
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both done where you watch a fucking made for TV Lifetime movie. Yeah. And did she stop doing it?
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She's seasonal Because you go beat by beat Of the movie So she does it in 15 episode chunks
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Takes a few months off Well then we all have time to absorb it Watch it 15 times
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Like write full essays on it Alright, Molls Molly McAleer We're coming for you But everybody else that wants to do this
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Let's all read My Sweet Audrina Do you want to go pick up copies tomorrow? Sure today it will be it has to be a used like paperback copy it has to be a haunted copy
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that's haunted with the tears of a of a fucking girl from the 80s who's like i hope i get kidnapped
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yes by a hot cut that out i don't know but fantasies if you can go to a thrift store that
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has the copy of this or your mother or your grandmother's books bookshelf um it makes me
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think of the cabin we used to stay in in blue lake that had all kinds of it's stephen king
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vc andrews they had all that shit at this cabin you could just go pick some horrible book you're
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going to read while you were there for the week oh it sounds amazing so we're going to we're all
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starting my sweet audrina this friday yeah because so the next week is thanksgiving so um we're
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putting a live episode up and so let's meet back here in a week in two weeks in two weeks at the
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beginning of december yeah whatever our next apartment episode is we'll meet you here and we
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will have read and we will be ready to discuss my sweet you guys this is epic epic send us notes
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your thoughts oh all right okay why am i so excited oh because it's the best thing we've
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ever done um come on we're doing it all for you look we're here for you look and listen
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please at my favorite murder.com.com goodbye.org.org.org you know dot what's it is there like
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a religious one dot something g-e-s-u-s g-e-s-u-s you just felt jesus wrong miss catholic that's because i was trying to include everybody
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some people call him god some people call him yahweh hold on g-e-s-u-s wow that's my i think my addict my addict is has
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when usurped as the... I do not mean to complain, but recently I've been in states of mind
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of being so tired and drained. Yeah. Or just like, we just talk so much. There's so much talking
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that I hear things come out of my mouth or I'm doing that weird thing of like you hold a door open for someone
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and they walk through and then you're like, you're welcome tomorrow or you say just some totally weird thing
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and you think you're saying the normal thing. Yeah. I get it. Horrifying. it's fun no it's not it's a good time um who's first this week you know what we started let's
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let's talk about this really quickly okay we decided that and i think we should talk more
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about this of who should be first this week meaning if your murder is horrifying and
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awful and i have a delightful black widower from the 1800s who's just like kills all her husband
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yeah it's like well i should go second to like bring it back up that's right like last week i
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I went second and did the Bernies. And that is just a terrible story. And you should have closed it.
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Right. And same with, remember the last night, I did the story of the boy that killed his father.
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Right. And same exact thing where we're both like, anyway. And I did a fucking guy who dressed up as Santa Claus in the early 1900s and robbed bank.
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And it was hilarity ensued. So much hilarity ensued. And this is Dallas, third night in Dallas.
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Was it third night? I don't know. I had no idea. So I should have closed. I mean, look, we can look back in remembrance all we want, but...
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Maybe when one of us knows we're doing a murder, our story is fucking horrific, and we can tell the other person, like, hey, this isn't a closer.
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Can you do the closer? Yes. That sounds fine to me. Okay, so mine right now, it can be a closer if you need it to be.
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Okay. How's yours? Not. Okay. Oh my god. Perfect. So we are right now we are now officially dismantling the who went first last time.
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Unless we need it. Unless it doesn't matter. But then how will we go back to it?
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Whenever we decide. Okay. We'll make it up on the spot. Oh yeah that's right. We can do it
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Right. There's no format. This is all pretend. All right. Okay, great. Okay, we're back. This is so fun, this rewind stuff, because this is stuff that isn't in my
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memory anymore. Yes. So like to go back, yeah, like, it's really like actually fun. I mean,
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I'm surprised, honestly, like the beaver, Bucky's beaver nuggets, like that was such a big deal in our lives then. I know. It was like Texas all of a sudden was like in our life
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in this major way. Oh my God, I just never imagined that this would happen, that this would be the
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spot where people are like, no, we're all, there's going to be a shit ton of us and we're going to
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tell you exactly the secret to living, which is eating these essentially maple syrup corn puffs
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out of a bag. It's so good. It's just wild that whole time in our life. It's good to see the kind
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of like being able to separate the hard part from the fun part. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like,
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this is the most fun washed version of this experience we could have, which is we don't
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remember the details. And it's like, oh, but remember the fun part. Yeah, totally. I love
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that. I love that for us. I love that for us back then because I feel so much, so much younger and
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so much like I never realized that we weren't into the podcast that long when this all this
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crazy stuff started happening. And the Texas thing is because when we were like planning to go on
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tour, you know, is anyone going to come? Our touring agent told us that Texas is one of our
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biggest markets. And I think we were both shocked by that because I always figured people from Texas
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would hate me. I don't know why. It's like we fell for the big Fox News live or whatever,
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where it's like there's no enemies anywhere. It has nothing to do with the state that you live in
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or anything. You mean we're not the coastal elite and you don't hate us? I mean, great.
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Also, this is one of our favorite memories of a moment in the VIP where the woman was taking the picture with us
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and said, oh my God, my sister's dying. And we both stopped. We're both like, I totally remember.
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And she goes, of jealousy, of jealousy. Of jealousy. It was like perfect, perfectly the worst time to take a picture
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cutting her off at that moment in the sentence. It was so funny. That was like, that was a beautiful moment.
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That and then. Yeah, what a relief. Just from one moment, something sad wasn't happening.
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That was crazy. Oh, and also this is my mistake about Wind River director Taylor Sheridan, who is not a woman.
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Yeah. And also learning from this specific episode, I thought a Native woman. Yes.
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This is going to follow you. I took this thing and. Every episode you have to bring this up from now on.
00:26:48
Yeah, exactly. I'll never stop talking about it. But it was like, that's it's almost more embarrassing because I'm kind of like trying to what do they call that?
00:26:55
Virtue signaling of like, I love this movie. And a native woman directed it. I'm doing everyone.
00:27:01
I know. Nope. No. Turns out the single WGA member that was against the strike and came out and talked about it.
00:27:09
That's who I'm actually talking about. Once again, a corrections corner for the ages.
00:27:13
And then also, I didn't realize we did this so early. and I think this is really smart of us, if I can say, is, hey, let's do the more lighthearted
00:27:22
stories after the heavy stories. So whoever is heavier that week goes first. Like that has made
00:27:28
such a huge difference, I think, in us, in the show, in the way we're able to do it. Yes. Like
00:27:34
I'll have a gnarly fucking like story and I'll be like, how am I going to do this? And then I'll
00:27:38
remember that you probably have like a fun heist afterwards. So it's okay. And that's the fun the
00:27:45
producers get to have where they're not only mapping out our calendar of like, when do we
00:27:50
get to go on vacation next? But they're mapping out how we're going to do this so that it feels
00:27:55
like there's some sort of intentionality behind it, which is, yes, it's great. And it's so funny
00:28:00
that it took us, I guess, a year of touring to be like, hey, here's a little data from the road.
00:28:06
Here's what you don't want to go out on is a fucking serial killer. Good night. Thank you.
00:28:11
good night. No. Good night. Yeah. We learned that one about as quick as we learned don't do the same
00:28:19
story for both shows. Right. That was immediate. Oh, God, the silence. All right. So shall we get
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visit ibm.com slash Ferrari. this um i it's funny because in thinking of that i worked on a couple different murders and i did
00:31:29
this in texas a couple times where i'd start something and i'd be like this is too depressing
00:31:33
yes so like there was the killing fields i i was working on the killing fields because it's right
00:31:39
outside Houston. And it is a place where a either one or several serial killers go to dump young
00:31:47
women's bodies. It's been going on for years. No one's ever, I think they caught one guy that's
00:31:52
connected to 11 murders, but they haven't caught all of them. It's the bleakest.
00:31:57
There's a show called the 11 right now that you can watch. I think it's an Annie show on demand.
00:32:01
Oh, is that true? About them. Yeah, it's good. On Annie? Well, it's on demand. I don't know who did it.
00:32:04
Oh, okay. That's great. Yeah. Because it's very, it's very involved and convoluted. And I got,
00:32:10
I would say a quarter of the way through it. And then I was like, this is for a live show,
00:32:15
especially is just so bleak. Well, we get so many people at live shows being like,
00:32:18
you shouldn't, why didn't you do this murder? And it's like, because it's so fucking depressing,
00:32:22
not because we don't want to, we didn't know about it. Right. It's just like hearing the
00:32:26
audience's silence when you're talking about fucking 11 people getting murdered who didn't,
00:32:30
it's not solved. Yeah. It's a huge bummer. It's rough. And also it's, um, well, whatever,
00:32:36
there's just all kinds of elements going on. This is great. So it's just felt like I've started and
00:32:41
stopped many, um, because there's so many dark ones, but then I stumbled upon an episode of the
00:32:46
television show, deadly devotion, which I think is on ID. I've never seen that one. Um, I got it
00:32:52
on, uh, Apple, uh, like iTunes. Yeah. But, um, so it's basically like murders that happen within
00:33:00
certain churches or religious groups. Um, yeah. So this one, uh, uh, is pretty amazing. It's the
00:33:10
Amish serial killer. Amish serial killer. Yeah. Tell me about it. Well, not in the classic sense,
00:33:16
but yes. Okay. Um, so there's a, I knew nothing about any of this. I didn't know there were
00:33:25
subsets of Amish within the Amish. And there are some who are more liberal and some who are more,
00:33:32
um, conservative, that sounds political, but more, um, you know, classic old school
00:33:39
and the Swartzen Ruber, um, Truber Amish, I'm sorry. Swartzen Truber Amish are the
00:33:46
considered old order Amish. They speak Pennsylvania Dutch, I mean, Pennsylvania Germans.
00:33:52
I'm not even reading off the page that I'm holding in front of my face. I'm like trying to remember
00:33:57
off the top of my head as I'm looking at it. They speak Pennsylvania German. They speak English with
00:34:03
outsiders. They don't follow, they don't fellowship or intermarry with more liberal Amish orders. So
00:34:12
they won't go outside of their own Amish group. If like the, like they consider the Amish who put
00:34:19
the red, um, orange reflective signs on the back of their carriages that say like slow thing. Yeah.
00:34:25
That's too liberal for them. These people don't have running water or indoor plumbing. They, um,
00:34:32
They never ride in cars unless it's an absolute emergency. Their belief is that they're not supposed to take interest in their appearance because it promotes vanity.
00:34:45
So they dress in dark colors. The women wear longer dresses. It's considered vain to wear a button on your dress as a woman, like to have buttons.
00:34:56
So basically they're a huge fucking bummer. And you know what's great about when we do Amish stories is that they can't listen and tell us what we got wrong.
00:35:02
They'll never fucking know a word worth saying about those phony bitches. Phony fucking button bitches.
00:35:11
They're so phony. It's calling me Amish phony. Phony phonies. Fucking phonies. Okay.
00:35:18
No, they're actually the realist. Okay. So they also don't allow the teenagers, you know, normal Amish teenagers go to get to do their rums bringo where they go out into the world for a year and party and go crazy.
00:35:31
and then they get to come back and then they're like, yeah, this is better. And it is better.
00:35:35
They have homemade butter and those barns. Yeah. And those wood burning stoves that they sell on TV.
00:35:44
So the Schwartz and Troubert Amish teenagers do not get to leave, but they do allow them to quote court in order to find a marriage partner which includes hugging in a bed while being fully clothed and rocking in a chair together So I sorry Yeah What the fuck Yeah
00:36:05
You see him across the room and you're like, oh my God, what is this electricity that I'm
00:36:10
feeling? Yeah. Cause I don't know what electricity is. Because I don't know what this means.
00:36:16
Come on. You're trying to high five me from across the room. I just held up my hand to high five Georgia and she fucking picked up her foot and pointed it at me like I was going to high five her foot.
00:36:28
That was genius. That was so far away. That was genius. Okay. This is a good start.
00:36:35
This is a good start. So that was so something my sister would do. Okay. So, yeah.
00:36:44
So, so it's hardcore. And there's a young woman named Ida who is raised, you know, she's in the community.
00:36:53
Her family is well liked. She's, you know, a pretty young girl that everybody likes.
00:36:58
And they show this thing in the episode of the show where the one of the ways that the boys and girls, teenage boys and girls mix together is they go sing in groups in a barn.
00:37:11
Sounds like a fucking blast. Right. They go into the barn. the guys are kind of over on one side singing and then the girls are on their side singing
00:37:19
so ida goes to one of these mixers and so you know that's a generous way to describe it
00:37:26
and there she meets um a fellow schwartz and truber amishman named eli stutzman he's good
00:37:35
looking he's witty he's sophisticated he's charismatic he was a rebel the people in this
00:37:41
episode he wore a button he had a button like as a pin right um no he didn't just use it as a button
00:37:50
it wasn't he just had an extra fucking button yeah superfluous button oh my god are you the
00:37:55
Fonz so the the people in this episode there was a this really awesome woman who used to be Amish
00:38:03
and she had the greatest accent and she was like so like you know wearing her white turtleneck
00:38:09
Yeah, very. But the craziest accent, you couldn't figure out what that accent was.
00:38:15
And she was saying that he always stood out, that he was this, you know, he was really good looking and he just kind of was like this thing everyone paid attention to because he was just different than the other Amish teenage boys.
00:38:27
He was the Fabio of the Amish world. Totally. OK. The actor that they got to play him in the reenactments looked like the main guy from The Walking Dead.
00:38:38
oh so he had that bones cheekbones and kind of like rangy you know like something's going on
00:38:45
with that guy he might shoot you and eat you so his father was a bishop okay and uh uh he was like
00:38:54
a rebel so he was his father and he fought constantly really viciously because he would
00:39:00
talk in church he was always just doing something he did whatever he wanted and the father and made
00:39:05
the father crazy and embarrassed. Um, and he couldn't control him. Um, and he was always testing the limits, they said.
00:39:13
So, um, of course Ida immediately is like, I'm in love with this guy. He's incredible.
00:39:20
He won't stop talking during church. Love him. He's a fucking fighter. Don't shut his fucking mouth at church.
00:39:26
He's whispering during, during the church, then the Bible reading. Okay. So she ends up some people or her parents are worried that she's mixing in with the, you know, a bad Amish.
00:39:40
But other people say that she had this calming effect on him and he was much less rebellious.
00:39:45
And they were clearly really into each other and in love. And the way they describe it, the Amish describe it as when you have these things, they call it being worldly.
00:39:55
so like if you're really um into your appearance in the vanity thing that's a worldly issue it
00:40:02
means like you're from from out the outside world yeah so um uh his worldly ways created problems in
00:40:12
the community and and with his father specifically and so he gets in such a bad fight with his father
00:40:17
he leaves the community and of course Ida's devastated he never says a word to her he just
00:40:22
leaves. She's brokenhearted, but she knows they're in love. She believes they're in love
00:40:27
and she believes he's going to come back. Um, so he goes and stays at a different farm,
00:40:33
another Amish family. He goes and stays there and like rents a room, but he ends up getting
00:40:38
kicked out because the mother in the family finds gay porn in his room. Wait, what? Yes.
00:40:45
Fucking 180. So she's in the reenactment. She's re she's making this bed with the big,
00:40:51
beautiful Amish quilt on it. And then it's like, what's this over here? And basically
00:40:55
this was a thing that he had been dealing with as part of his rebellion and part of his thing. What do you, how do you think, do you think the Amish woman was just like,
00:41:03
what is this? And she's like, I'm going to take five minutes and then I'm going to go tell everyone.
00:41:06
She's like, I better look through this to make sure. Oh my God. Where do you, okay. Yeah. So you can imagine how freaked out they were,
00:41:14
where they were like, they just immediately kick him out of the house. Where did he even find gay porn?
00:41:18
Well, it sounds like he was kind of, he, from the looks of it and the sound of it, he was a bit of a sociopath. So he got what he wanted all the time.
00:41:28
So he went to a Bucky's and he was like, he was, he went down to the Bucky's. He put on his, his worldly suspenders so that nobody would, you know, pick up on him.
00:41:37
Okay. So, okay. So he ends up moving back into the community and he tells Ida that he wants to
00:41:45
marry her and start a life and he's going to reform and he's going to be good, which essentially was,
00:41:50
he had nowhere else to go And so he comes back he apologizes he repents Um they get married on Christmas 1975 So after a month she pregnant and they start their family
00:42:07
You know, their son Danny is born obviously nine months later. Turns out the Amish carry their children for nine months, just like the worldly folk.
00:42:18
Wow. Oh, so they move. They their son Danny's born and then they move to a farm and they start a dairy business.
00:42:28
So they have a bunch of cows. They milk the cows. They sell the milk. And that's how they make their money.
00:42:33
And they all work on this farm. It's really hard work, but they're actually doing OK.
00:42:39
And Ida gets pregnant for a second time. And then one night there, an electrical storm hits and they wake up in the middle of the
00:42:48
night and a lightning bolt has hit the barn and it caught it on fire. So they run outside
00:42:55
and Ida runs straight into the barn. She's like, I'm going to go save those pails of
00:43:00
milk. What? Yes. Girl. And he runs to go to the pump to get to start filling buckets with water. And when he comes
00:43:10
back with the buckets of water, Ida is laying in the doorway of the barn, uh, unconscious.
00:43:15
and so they call he you know gets neighbors they end up calling 9-1-1 um and he when the police and
00:43:25
the fire department everybody get there he explains that Ida when she was a child she had
00:43:29
a bout of rheumatic fever and so she had a weak heart and and she ended up being dead and so they
00:43:37
were like she must have been so scared of this fire and having run in and everything that she
00:43:42
just had a heart attack and died. So they list her death as cardiac arrest. So, um, he, he of
00:43:51
course is completely grief stricken and the community rallies around him. They all start
00:43:58
working at the farm to make sure the dairy farm keeps going. He's, he's just in the house. Some
00:44:04
people come to take care of Danny because he's just like completely beside himself. Um, um,
00:44:12
And Ida's mother actually moves in to take care of Danny. And slowly, as the months go by, she notices Eli is less and less grief stricken and more and more acting like the rebel that he was before he left the first time.
00:44:28
And within months of her death, he has the whole farm electrified. what yeah so there's a really hilarious uh scene where they just walk in and he's got this
00:44:40
big really devious smile in his place he like reaches up and pulls at the string and like the
00:44:45
light goes on in the kitchen like yes see this is mine so he puts in lights everywhere he buys a car
00:44:53
he cuts his hair and he starts leaving the house at night so Ida's mother's like what the fuck is
00:45:00
going on. Um, so then it turns out he put an ad in the personal section of the gay newspaper.
00:45:09
Wait, what? Yeah. So he was going to live that secret dream that he wanted to do before. And
00:45:17
here, this is how the ad read. Oh dear. Amish man, muscular, uh, thirties, five, seven, one
00:45:24
40 blue eyes, brown hair, straight appearing, I think is what that's S T R A P P. Right.
00:45:31
Very. Strapping appearance. What? Strapping. S T R. What is it? I was thinking that he, they meant like straight, like he seems straight.
00:45:39
Okay. Got it. Got it. Um, but it could be strapping appearance. The brawny man, very discreet, affectionate, health conscious sense of humor would like to
00:45:50
meet others into farming, ranching, or carpentry for friendship or possible relationship. So he's
00:45:56
going for it. I mean, find love, dude. I love farming and ranching are very similar. I'm not
00:46:02
sure why he used it. He used up those letters to write both, but maybe there's a subtle difference.
00:46:07
I'm not sure. Or it could be code. I don't know. Um, so he starts having parties in the barn
00:46:13
and like men are coming wife died. Yes. Men are, you know, this is months after, but men are coming
00:46:20
to the ranch uh gay men and it says he it's it says here he starts having parties in the barn
00:46:31
for gay english and amish men so i think it's just like whoever wants to come but basically
00:46:38
the entire community starts gossiping because they're just like did you hear and he's not being
00:46:42
discreet in the lead. He's got lights on like for starters. Um, so finally he, there's so much
00:46:51
gossip and he's so, you know, he goes and tells the family friends, like he's so hurt by all this
00:46:56
gossip, making it seem like it's all malicious and untrue that he, in 1982, he sells the farm,
00:47:02
he takes Danny and he leaves. And, um, he, he settles in Austin, Texas. And, um, it was really
00:47:09
hard for Danny to make that adjustment because he went from being, you know, old school Amish
00:47:15
into just the real world of Austin, Texas. So, um, he, he became really withdrawn. He had a really
00:47:22
hard time. Meanwhile, his dad was basically opens a construction business and just starts freely
00:47:30
dating gay men, like dating openly in a very modern way. Um, which, you know, it's the early
00:47:39
80s in Texas. Like it must have been dangerous to say the least. Totally. In the fall of 1984, Eli's driving down the road and he sees a hitchhiker. He picks him up and his name's Glenn Pritchard.
00:47:52
And Glenn Pritchard is a divorced father of two who used to be Mormon and had a really bad drinking problem. He left the
00:48:00
Mormon church. He left his family or, you know, maybe his wife divorced him because of his
00:48:04
drinking problem. He tried to join the Coast Guard to solve the problem. He got kicked out.
00:48:09
So now he's just kind of lost. So Eli offers him a job at the construction business and room and
00:48:15
board in the house. So he he actually Danny, Eli's son, gets along with Glenn really well.
00:48:24
And Glenn has two kids and he really misses his kids. And so he, you know, takes Danny on as like his own and looks out for him.
00:48:33
And he really doesn't like the way Eli's bringing men home constantly and is in no way tries to hide it.
00:48:40
And Glenn's really uncomfortable, like that. He's doing it in front of Danny and thinks, you know, and tries to talk to him about it.
00:48:45
But he doesn't he, you know, Eli has none of that. And he's like, well, I also have another problem, which is you haven't paid me in six months because he's been working.
00:48:54
you know for the construction company and yeah and eli's not paying and eli's like i have a
00:48:59
cash flow problem i'm going to get you the money he's like well you need to get me the money
00:49:03
well uh it turns out they find glenn pritchard dead in a ditch he's been shot and when the police
00:49:12
come to talk to eli they find his last place of residence eli says i haven't seen him in two
00:49:18
months i don't know what happened to him immediately police are like there's something
00:49:22
going on with this guy. Um, when they go back to question him a second time, like a week later,
00:49:29
Danny and Eli have left town. Uh-oh. So, um, basically Eli drops Danny off at a family that
00:49:37
he met when he kind of first left, um, uh, Ohio where he, where they started out. Um, he bit,
00:49:47
there's like a family named the Barlows in Wyoming that he met. They, I don't think he
00:49:51
knew them that well. And he brings Danny to their house and, um, drops them off. And it's basically,
00:49:58
can you take care of him? I have to go and like makes up some reason why some business he has to
00:50:03
go take care of. And he's like, I'll be back. Um, and six months later he calls and says he's coming
00:50:10
to get Danny to take him to Danny's grandparents for Christmas. So he's going to take him to Ida's
00:50:14
parents back to Amish country. Danny's thrilled. Um, and, uh, then the grandparents are also
00:50:23
thrilled because they hear that they're coming back for the holidays. And so they're, they,
00:50:27
they haven't seen Danny in five years. So they're thrilled that they get to see him again and
00:50:31
reconnect 10 days later, it's Christmas Eve. They don't show up. Oh no. So of course they're,
00:50:38
The family's really worried. Eventually they get a letter from they get a letter from Eli saying he's skiing with friends in Idaho.
00:50:48
And then they he keeps sending letters, just giving them updates on what they're doing out in the world.
00:50:55
And sometimes Danny sends letters to just saying, you know, I'm learning this in school and blah, blah, blah.
00:51:01
So then then the grandparents in July. So it's like, you know, six months after they didn't show up for Christmas.
00:51:08
they get a letter saying that Danny was killed in a car accident and buried in Wyoming on the family
00:51:15
plot of the Barlows the family that he stayed with oh my god and the parents the grandparents
00:51:22
were like well we we want to see yeah that like we tell us more about it and he just doesn't say
00:51:29
anything else so they end up getting on a bus these old school Amish people who are not allowed
00:51:34
to ride in cars, they break the rule, they get on a bus and they go to Wyoming so that they can go
00:51:40
see their grandson's grave. So when they get there, their last name is Gingrich. So the Gingriches
00:51:51
get to the Barlows in Wyoming and they say, will you please show us our grandson's grave?
00:51:58
And they don't know what they're talking about. And they're like, the last that we heard is they
00:52:04
They let, you know, Eli came and picked them up and, and they were going driving around
00:52:07
and we haven't heard anything else. There's there, he's not buried here. So then they have to ride back on the bus.
00:52:13
Like now they have no idea what's going on. On December 24th, 1985 in Chester, Nebraska, a hunter is walking through a field.
00:52:23
Oh no. Uh-huh. And he sees something across the field and it's fucking cold. You know, it's Nebraska in December.
00:52:32
He thinks it's a mannequin. he thinks it's a doll. And when he comes up on it, it's the body of a young boy in blue pajamas
00:52:40
laying on his back with his hand over his heart. And it's so cold outside that the skin is blue
00:52:47
and he's dead. And authorities can't identify him. There's nothing identifying on him.
00:52:54
So they end up calling him Little Boy Blue. And two years later, Reader's Digest does a story
00:53:00
about little boy blue and the hunter who found them and how there was no sign of trauma on the
00:53:06
body they don't know how he died and they don't the authorities hadn't figured out a cause of
00:53:13
death they just know he was wearing blue pajamas so the barlows uh find this story in readers digest
00:53:22
magazine no they know that when danny left their house when eli came to pick him up he was wearing
00:53:28
blue pajamas. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. So they have a bad feeling and they go to police or they call
00:53:34
police and the police come over and the investigator who was on the scene when the body was found is
00:53:40
the one that goes to the Barlow's house and they go pull out a picture of Danny and he immediately
00:53:45
knows that's the boy. And they end up taking some of the things that Danny left behind at the Barlow's
00:53:52
house one of which was a copy of the Velotine Rabbit book which was his favorite book And And they fingerprint off of the pages of that book and they identify it and it was his body It so sad So um on December 14th it identified
00:54:08
as Danny Stutzman and they realize Eli has been sending letters from Danny to the grandparents
00:54:15
seven months after Danny was actually dead. So he died immediately after leaving the Barla's
00:54:21
house probably because he was pretty much exactly right in a texas town out i believe is outside
00:54:26
fort worth eli files a police report because his car gets stolen and immediately the police go and
00:54:34
arrest him and he's extradited to wyoming um so when he gets there he tells the police that he
00:54:42
picked danny up from the barlows and he was sick when he picked him up and he they were driving all
00:54:48
night and Eli just assumed that he was sleeping. And then at one point he checked on him because
00:54:54
he wasn't responsive and he figured out that he was dead. So he took Danny's body and laid it out
00:55:01
in a field quote, where God could find him. Yeah. So in upon learning this and that bullshit story,
00:55:12
the police reopen Ida's death from 1977 and they go talk to Ida's doctor who is in this special and
00:55:20
he is like this I I'm assuming he's an Amish doctor because he's he looks like a character
00:55:26
actor from Little House on the Prairie and he kind of talks like this he's very quiet and basically
00:55:30
the police went to them and they were asking uh him about Ida's heart problem and he's like what
00:55:39
are you talking about she didn't have a heart problem and they're like but and he goes where
00:55:43
did you get that and they were like the husband and he's like no no no she was in perfect health
00:55:49
so then they know basically that he had something to do with that death but they have no evidence
00:55:57
um to connect him to it whatsoever um when the the austin police um ask him uh about glenn
00:56:08
Pritchard's death though he changes his story from what the original story was and he tells them that
00:56:14
he was in the house with Danny they heard a gunshot go off but he didn't get up and check to see what
00:56:21
the noise was and then yeah right how you would do if you were in a house and someone else got shot
00:56:27
and then the next morning when he got up to check Glenn was gone and so he you know he didn't know
00:56:33
what happened and never looked into it. So turns out when the police go to talk to the neighbors,
00:56:40
the neighbors are like, we could hear them screaming about money at each other constantly.
00:56:44
And we heard the gunshot. Oh my God. So they, that like the neighbors tell a totally different story.
00:56:49
And so basically the theory becomes Danny was there when his father shot Glenn Pritchard
00:56:55
and he didn't want the witness. So he smothered Danny. And that's why there was no
00:57:01
signs of trauma on the body oh my god yeah um and then left his body in a fucking field which is
00:57:09
just the weird like that alone the idea that he thought he was gonna be able to tell authorities
00:57:14
that like left him where god could find him where it's like like you thought that was okay somehow
00:57:19
or it's like no one would think that was okay you would you would never do that to your child
00:57:25
It doesn't even make sense. Anyway, in August of 1989, he's sentenced to 40 years in prison.
00:57:35
But he's paroled in March of 2002. He ended up serving like a quarter of his term.
00:57:42
Stop it, everyone. But when he gets out, he moves to Fort Worth. He lives a super low-key life because he found out while he was in prison that he had HIV.
00:57:52
Oh, my God. So, um, he ends up on January 31st, 2007, he committed suicide. He slashed his wrist, sat down in a chair and then watched TV until he bled out and
00:58:04
died. Holy shit. Yeah. Um, and that Eli Stutzman is the Amish serial killer. So it's not serial in the way that we would love it to be.
00:58:16
Well, listen, we don't want, we don't love it. No, not love it. But like I'm thinking Buffalo Bill when I start this story.
00:58:24
But then it is the thing of this is a sociopath slash psychopath who just would kill anybody that got in the way of what he wanted to do in his life.
00:58:34
And the idea that that's coming out of it's just like it just fascinates me. It could be it doesn't matter how you grew up.
00:58:41
It doesn't matter where you came from. if you have that thing in your brain that makes you only want to like win and like dominate people
00:58:51
it doesn't matter if you're like immune to fucking empathy empathy yep you're immune to it yeah you
00:58:59
don't give a shit that's crazy you just do what you want and then you leave so many people in
00:59:04
your wake you know grant the grandparents of like horrifying these people all of it and you just
00:59:09
don't fucking care um and that again just over your nose deadly devotion that was that basically
00:59:15
i just told you that episode of deadly devotion which i thoroughly enjoyed i love that never heard
00:59:23
of it incredible not just the show but like the the concept yes yeah the right okay we're back karen do you have any updates i do so there's this author named greg olson
00:59:38
who's written a couple books about Eli Stutzman. And one is called The Amish Wife, Unraveling the Lies, Secrets, and Conspiracy that Let a Killer Go Free.
00:59:48
And it just basically is the deep dive into Ida's death. His book before that was called Abandoned Prayers but also about Eli crimes It a deep dive so there a bunch more information the facts that have come to light and the evidence about the timeline everything the chronology whatever
01:00:05
about this crime. So if you are into this and want to know more, Greg Olson is the author that you
01:00:10
should look up. So with that, let's get into Georgia's story about the Springfield 3,
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Hello, hello. This is Malcolm Gladwell from Smart Talks with IBM. Today we're diving into a fascinating conversation with Stefano Pallard,
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visit ibm.com slash Ferrari. okay beep boop all right listen like when i said that this is a close this is a closer i didn't mean
01:03:14
it was like a light-hearted story so i'm not okay not happy about it but there's no like
01:03:18
there's not a ton of like uh gruesome there's no gruesome details in it i mean i feel like if we
01:03:26
ever sat down and did like a scientific a pie graph or something yeah it would be like the one
01:03:33
you can't get out of is dead children right murdered children is the hardest right okay well
01:03:39
then this is a little bit all right let me just do this okay okay in the uh in honor of what we
01:03:47
talked about last weekend last week of like uh websites like ranker and all these of like the
01:03:53
lists that they do this is this is three super mysterious disappearances okay all right yes let's
01:04:00
do it i'm changing the rules i love doing this you can do whatever you want i'm starting with
01:04:04
the springfield three you know them okay this is so this is just weird to me because there's
01:04:11
there's nothing let's read about it okay the springfield three story begins june 7th 1992
01:04:17
two friends suzy streeter she's 19 and stacy mccall she's 18 so picture the bangs and the
01:04:24
fucking bleach blonde hair um uh they uh the two girls graduated from kickapoo high school the day
01:04:34
before and so they're celebrating like graduation of that sort of thing so they are seen around 2 a.m
01:04:42
on June 7th leaving the last of the graduation parties they had attended that evening they were
01:04:47
supposed to spend the night at a friend's house but when they got to the friend's house it was
01:04:50
too crowded, probably with people sleeping and not sleeping. So they were like, fuck it. We're
01:04:54
going back to Susie's house. And at Susie's house was Susie's mom, Cheryl Levitt. She's 47. She's a
01:05:02
cosmetologist at a local salon. She's a single mother and she's really close with her daughter.
01:05:07
So they go back to her house. The next morning around 9am, a friend and her boyfriend go to the
01:05:14
house to pick up, um, because the two girls were supposed to have picked them up to go to like a
01:05:21
water park for the graduation activities, blah, blah, blah. When they get there, they find the
01:05:27
front door unlocked and they go in the house, but there's no sign of any of the three women.
01:05:33
Um, each of their cars are parked outside and all their personal property is left behind,
01:05:39
including their purses, money, keys, cigarettes, as well as the family dog who's super agitated
01:05:44
and locked in the bathroom. What? So they're like, what the fuck? The only weird thing at the scene is that the glass lampshade
01:05:51
of the porch light had been shattered, but the bulb inside had been left intact So the boyfriend sweeps the broken glass up to be helpful And while they inside they also answer a strange and disturbing call from an unidentified
01:06:11
male who made sexual innuendos. Who answered the phone? The girl of the couple. Oh, it was there.
01:06:19
Yeah. So they went to check on them. The girl answers the phone. So immediately a dirty phone
01:06:23
call, dirty phone call immediately. She hangs up and then another call immediately comes in
01:06:28
again of sexual nature and she hangs up again. Um, let's see. So they, okay. Okay. The, the,
01:06:38
another, the, the mother of the girl, um, Stacy, who wasn't, who didn't live at the house. She
01:06:47
later goes to visit the house to be like, where's the fuck's my daughter. I can't get ahold of her.
01:06:51
and she inside notices all three of the purses are there, of course, sees her daughter's clothing neatly folded from the night before.
01:07:00
She calls the police and after placing the call while checking the phone's answering machine,
01:07:05
she finds a strange message left. But somehow it was inadvertently erased, the message.
01:07:13
So we don't know what the message is and what it could have meant. And did she say, she just said it was a weird message?
01:07:19
I think it was like another sexual nature message. So police were very interested in the call and believed it may have contained a clue,
01:07:30
but it's fucking gone. Just gone forever? Gone forever. Because this is early 90s.
01:07:37
Was it still like an answering machine with tape in it? Yeah, I think so, right?
01:07:42
You rewind it and record over it. They still existed then. Yeah. Although there was, um, you know, that, well, in our household anyway, we got the like call
01:07:54
the, the answering machine became, it was just in your phone and you just basically got
01:07:59
ordered what you wanted. It would take messages, but then you could also get, that's when star 69 made its grand
01:08:06
debut. I remember when he had that, that like silver and black fucking message machine with a tiny
01:08:11
cassette inside and you would listen to a message and then you rewound the tape and
01:08:16
recorded over it and then you could get new messages but you could only get as many messages
01:08:20
as were as could be uh left on that little cassette i fucking love that machine i thought
01:08:26
it was fascinating it was amazing yeah jesus christ okay um so the police aren't called
01:08:36
for 16 hours after the women were last seen at 2 a.m the night before okay um and other worried
01:08:44
friends and family called and visited a home that day which means a fucking shit ton of people
01:08:48
walked through the house during the day 10 to 20 people walked through the house
01:08:53
um upon arrival the officers noticed no signs of a struggle except for the shattered porch light
01:08:59
and uh they also noted that the beds had been slept in so had been had been so in 1997
01:09:09
Levitt and Streeter were declared legally dead, but their case files are still officially listed
01:09:16
under missing. Investigators received a tip that the women's bodies were buried in the foundations
01:09:21
of the South Parking Garage at Cox Hospital. So in 2007, crime reporter Kathy Baird brought a man
01:09:30
named Rick Norland, a mechanical engineer, to Springfield to scan the corner of the parking
01:09:37
lot with ground penetrating radar. He found three anomalies, roughly the same size quote,
01:09:45
that he said were consistent with a grave site location in the foundation. Two of the anomalies
01:09:51
were parallel and the other was perpendicular. So like kind of like crosshatched. The Springfield
01:09:58
Police Department didn't believe the scan was conclusive enough to justify tearing up the
01:10:02
concrete and also said that the parking garage was completed a year after the woman's disappearance.
01:10:07
But they could have been left somewhere. Right. So it was never tore up. But people think it's there.
01:10:14
Then Reddit's also like, here's how you're fucking wrong. It's not. Oh, you know.
01:10:18
OK. So then in 1997, Robert Craig Cox, he's an he's imprisoned in Texas as a convicted kidnapper and robber and the suspect in a Florida murder.
01:10:27
He told journalists that he knew where the three women had been murdered and buried and claimed their bodies would never be found.
01:10:32
he in 1992 at the time he had been living in springfield but had alibis for the night but it
01:10:38
was like his girlfriend at the time who has since been like nobody was fucking lying about it yeah
01:10:43
um he said that he would disclose to what what he would disclose what happened to the three women
01:10:49
after his mother had died but he would happen and um as of today a couple tips a month still come in
01:10:57
but no one knows what happened to this being this Springfield three oh my god yeah these three
01:11:03
fucking women and that guy's mother hasn't died I guess not but he's but everyone thinks he but
01:11:09
everyone also thinks he's lying oh he's just trying to get some kind of but a kidnapper from
01:11:15
that neighborhood you know yeah it's just crazy that's super crazy yeah okay so the next one
01:11:24
is, okay, so a girl named Aisha Degree. I'm sorry, Aisha Degree. She's born, Aisha is born August 5th, 1990.
01:11:34
She's a fucking normal nine-year-old fourth grader from Shelby, North Carolina. Normal girl, happy family, et cetera.
01:11:41
The night of February 14th, 2000, Aisha and her brother went to sleep. As usual, in the room they shared, her older brother.
01:11:49
Almost an hour later, the power went out in the neighborhood after a nearby car accident,
01:11:53
which is fucking creepy and weird, but isn't connected to this. But I think... It's just creepy.
01:12:00
Yeah. It's restored. And then after that, her dad, Harold, returns home from work around 1230 in the morning.
01:12:07
He checks on his daughter and son, just saw them both sleeping, normal. But shortly after he went to bed around 230 a.m., he recalls hearing Aisha's bed squeak.
01:12:19
At that point, allegedly, Aisha got out of bed, took a book bag she had previously packed
01:12:24
with several sets of clothes and personal items and left the house. I've heard of this.
01:12:29
Yeah. it's crazy it's crazy she's nine years old yes leaves between 3 45 a.m and 4 15 a.m two drivers
01:12:37
saw her walking south along highway 18 wearing a long sleeve white t-shirt and white pants
01:12:43
and one witness reported seeing her at about 4 a.m and said that he turned his car around because he
01:12:51
thought it was strange that such a small child would be out by herself at that hour but when he
01:12:56
circled three times. He saw her run into the woods by the roadside and disappear.
01:13:01
It's just bone chilling to think you're driving, say you're driving home, you went to a party,
01:13:07
you're like, I want to leave. I don't want to be at this party. People are like, please just stay
01:13:10
two more hours. Suddenly 4am is around. You're like, look, I'm leaving. As you're driving home,
01:13:16
you're like sober, bummed, wanted to go home three hours ago. This is how I picture everything in my
01:13:21
And then you're driving down a highway and see a child dressed in all white walking with a book bag.
01:13:29
I would never stop screaming. And then you go back. You're like, what the fuck? This is weird.
01:13:33
You go back and you go to drive by her again. And she runs into the fucking woods.
01:13:38
She fucking darts away. What do you do? Call the police. You call the police. You pull your car over.
01:13:44
You leave it there. You call the police. But you don't have cell phones yet. Oh, right.
01:13:48
Shit. Yeah. No cell phones yet. Maybe he went home and called. Maybe. Why wasn't he a rich guy with one of those crazy huge cell phones in his car?
01:13:58
Rich guys. Because this isn't fucking Dallas or whatever TV show they had those in.
01:14:05
Okay. But, but, but, but, okay. And so there was, okay, it was a rainy night too.
01:14:11
Add that to this motherfucking thing. A rainy night. And the witness said there was a storm raging when he saw her.
01:14:17
No. Yeah. There's no way I wouldn't think that was a ghost. if I saw it. Oh yeah. Like, cause it's so insane. Yeah. Um, at 6 30 AM that morning,
01:14:27
Asia's mother went into the kid's room to wake them up. She found Asia gone. Um,
01:14:33
and she called the police who arrived by 6 45, 6 40 AM police dogs are called to the scene.
01:14:40
They could not pick up Asia's scent. So February 17th, two days after the search began,
01:14:46
And candy wrappers are found in a shed in a nearby business along the highway near where Asia had been seen running into the woods.
01:14:54
So candy wrappers. Okay. Along with them were a pencil, a marker, and a Mickey Mouse shaped hair bow that were identified as belonging to her.
01:15:02
So it's almost like she ran away at this point, it seems. Yes. Right? Yes. But why would a kid run away in a raging storm?
01:15:10
That doesn't seem normal. Well, yeah. I bet it started raining when she got outside.
01:15:16
Right. I would think. Right. Because any plan you would have if it was raining, you'd be like, I'll do this tomorrow.
01:15:22
Yeah, for sure. Okay. A week later, after no other traces or witnesses were found, the search was called off.
01:15:29
FBI got involved and noted she was not a typical runaway, obviously. She was under 12, didn't have normal stuff, such as a dysfunctional family.
01:15:38
She didn't have bad grades. and by all accounts she was a shy sweet girl with close family church community all this shit
01:15:46
she didn't even have a computer in the house so the thing of like her running away to meet someone
01:15:50
she met online oh that's not that doesn't make any sense i mean doesn't make sense right right
01:15:56
um there was no blood no signs of a struggle or a car accident and for 18 months everything stalled
01:16:02
until Asia's book bag was found during a construction project. So the backpack, with her name and telephone number written inside,
01:16:12
was found wrapped in a plastic trash bag about 26 miles from her home. It was said that the bag looks carefully prepared
01:16:21
as if she were instructed by an adult what to pack. No. In May 2016, the FBI announced that their reinvestigation of the case
01:16:30
had turned up a new witness that had come forward and reported seeing a girl who resembled Asia
01:16:36
getting into a dark green 1970s Lincoln Mark 4 or Ford Thunderbird with rust around the wheel
01:16:44
and near where she was last seen. So a scholarship in her name is created for deserving local
01:16:55
students and family members hold an annual march each February, retracing what they believe is the
01:17:02
path that she took the night she vanished. But they don't know why. And the thing about the path
01:17:06
she took too, is that it's, it's the path that her school bus took in the morning. It's not,
01:17:12
or like when she went to school, it's not an easily walkable path. It's almost like it was
01:17:17
the only way she knew how to get from certain points in town because she took it every day,
01:17:22
yeah rather than that was her purposeful planned like she knows if she's gonna go to say the town
01:17:29
library right this is the way she's gonna get this library the way you go yeah oh it's just this weird
01:17:36
story that is maddening because it's like who got into her ear yeah and was like do you want to
01:17:44
audition for tv right and how come she didn't tell any of her friends like oh i met this person
01:17:50
or her parents like oh my God That maddening And how long ago did it happen This happened in 2000 Man And she nine I know It so much younger than
01:18:06
Yeah. That's like, that makes me think. It's like someone who's like, made her believe something,
01:18:17
that she could have something that she normally couldn't have. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you meet me here, I'm giving away this pony type of shit.
01:18:27
Right. Ugh, fuck. And then like all of that up until that point is like, okay, she ran away from home for a certain reason.
01:18:36
Everything would have been normal. But then when they find her backpack buried, wrapped in plastic, something, she ran into someone or something.
01:18:44
And the things in the backpack. Yeah. if somebody like that idea that she packed it specifically for a reason and it was a plan yeah
01:18:53
god damn fucked up horrifying all right the last one has a resolution okay um okay bobby dunbar
01:19:02
you ready for this yes okay bobby dunbar was the firstborn son um to leslie and percy dunbar of
01:19:09
opeliai oh hawaii no to a town in louisiana okay opelosis nope louisiana in august 1912
01:19:23
i think lucinda i could be wrong but lucinda williams has a song it's say it i think it's
01:19:31
Opal... Lossus? Opalossus? That must be it. Or am I thinking of Nagadoches? This song might be about Bobby Dunbar.
01:19:43
Okay. In August of 1912, the Dunbars took a fishing trip to nearby Swayze Lake in St. Landry Parish, Louisiana.
01:19:54
While on that trip, little Bobby Dunbar disappears. After an eight-month search authorities found a handyman traveling through Mississippi with a boy. And it's like this crazy
01:20:05
search with his photo everywhere. It's this missing child, blah, blah, blah, um, who appeared
01:20:10
to match the description of Bobby Dunbar. The man with him, William Cantwell Walters,
01:20:17
he claims that the boy was actually, um, named Charles Bruce Anderson. And he was the son of a
01:20:24
woman who he who worked for his family and that um the boy's mother named julia andrew anderson
01:20:32
she had willingly granted him in custody of this boy and uh doesn't matter fucking walters is
01:20:39
arrested and authorities sent for the dunbars to come to mississippi and identify this boy that
01:20:45
they think is their son oh okay they think is his son they think it's bobby dunbar do you know how
01:20:49
much longer it was after he disappeared it was um eight months oh okay yeah so pretty quickly
01:20:55
um upon seeing the missing son her missing son there's like there's differing reports some say
01:21:01
that the mother lessee like freaked out and was like my son and bobby dunbar was like mom you know
01:21:07
and they embraced and other people said that um that the boy cried and said that and agreed that
01:21:14
this wasn't that his mother you know was someone else yeah um how could those how could it be two
01:21:21
different exact opposite stories like didn't it happen in a police station yeah but there'd be an
01:21:27
official yeah but media man they like to true not that they're not talking shit on media everyone's
01:21:34
great vital etc now more than ever so uh yeah so they're like all right maybe this is our kid
01:21:43
let's bring him home tonight and see how it goes. This is just like the changeling.
01:21:47
It's just like the changeling. Fuck. In real fucking life. It happened like 30 years before.
01:21:51
Yeah. Fuck. Okay. Can you imagine, I mean, I guess at the time you don't have photos or something, but not
01:21:56
knowing if this person is your kid or not. How does that happen? I don't know. Well, but in the changeling, she knew it wasn't her kid and it was the cops going, no crazy
01:22:05
bitch. This is your kid. Right. And it's also like a grease stricken mother who's like, this resembles my kid.
01:22:11
I really want it to be my kid. they're telling me it's my kid maybe they're right exactly yeah like the your worst fear is that your
01:22:17
child is gone forever so anybody's showing up and being like it's me you know yeah but he was the
01:22:23
kid wasn't even like according to certain stories the kid was like no this isn't my this isn't who
01:22:30
i am this is not my parent also you have to think of this kid that was just being driven around
01:22:35
randomly by some dude yeah what was he what was happening to him yeah and what kind of state of
01:22:41
shock and freak out was he in it's almost like you combine two people who are in shock and trauma
01:22:46
together totally okay and it's like uh yeah okay so yeah you're not gonna say okay the police
01:22:55
officers the mother's not gonna be like no you guys are wrong this isn't you know you're not
01:22:58
gonna do that no i thought how many bad haircuts have i gotten where as it's happening i'm like
01:23:02
well you're the you're the boss yeah looks great i guess i don't know what i like anymore yeah
01:23:08
that's true so they they're like we don't know if it's him we bring him home tonight we give him a
01:23:14
bath and then the next day they're like yep that's our kid based on moles and scars they're like it's
01:23:20
totally our son okay all as well so um the boy goes home with the dunbars there's a fucking parade
01:23:29
and fanfare celebrating the homecoming everyone's like we found you know we found the missing dunbar
01:23:35
boy. And then shortly after Julia Anderson, the mother of the boy who originally was supposed
01:23:42
to be that wasn't Bobby Dunbar. She's in North Carolina. She arrives and, you know, is like,
01:23:49
that's actually my kid. And I didn't tell him he could take him for that long. But she goes to his
01:23:54
hold on Okay Okay She unmarried and worked as a field hand for the family of the man who had him she said that she allowed him to take her son for what
01:24:09
said was supposed to be a two-day trip to visit one of um walter's relatives and that she had not
01:24:14
consented for him to take him for more than a few days okay yeah so uh so so this woman julia
01:24:23
is presented with five different boys, basically a fucking boy photo lineup. Yeah.
01:24:29
And the same age as her son, including the boy who had been claimed by the Dunbars.
01:24:34
And the boy is presented, he gave no indication that he recognized this woman as his mother.
01:24:42
Oh. Yeah. And she asked whether he was the boy recovered. She was like, is that the boy you found?
01:24:48
And I'm like, didn't totally recognize him at first either. Also, what do you give a shit?
01:24:52
aren't you looking for your son what why are you asking other questions yeah just she didn't know
01:24:57
your son she didn't know for sure she was like is that how do you okay yes right um she said she
01:25:07
was unsure at the end of it and i'm wondering so this kid who's supposed to who's now is or isn't
01:25:12
the bobby dunbar boy like goes home with this family they have a fucking maybe a nice house
01:25:17
and all this nice shit and he sees his mother trying to get him back who's a fucking field hand
01:25:23
yeah and he doesn't say anything maybe yeah you know he's like sad as that is well and also he's
01:25:31
she's the one that put him in that car with that man yeah and to to whatever end that was she thought
01:25:38
he thought she didn't want her anymore maybe and was just like huh yeah i'm not going back to this
01:25:43
shit yeah okay um but she takes she takes the boy back with her and sees him the next day or i guess
01:25:53
in the station she undresses him so this fucking kid is getting undressed the left and fucking
01:25:57
right by people um she then indicated a strong certainty that the boy was her son bruce
01:26:03
and not bobby dunbar okay but of course everyone was already like fuck you poor lady that's not true
01:26:10
you're lying um so of course then the newspapers question her moral character because she had had
01:26:17
three children the other two which were deceased by that point out of wedlock and so her claims
01:26:22
were dismissed oh yeah but she does go to the kidnapping trial of this guy walters and says
01:26:30
it repeats that you know he didn't she didn't kid he didn't kidnap my son um and the court
01:26:36
reaches the determination that the boy was Bobby Dunbar conclusively. They were like, period. It's
01:26:41
not this other kid, Bruce. It's Bobby Dunbar. Um, this guy Walters is convicted of kidnapping
01:26:46
and the boy remains in the custody and grows up with the Dunbar family as Bobby Dunbar.
01:26:52
The kid had gone missing when they went camping. Yeah. Okay. So think, wait, this does have a
01:26:59
resolution. We're going to know what happens. Yeah. Okay. Pretty much. Please God. Okay.
01:27:05
because this is nuts. This is like four movies combined because it also reminded me
01:27:09
of the Wineville chicken coop murder. There's some evil of that to it too. Oh, it's the same thing as The Changeling.
01:27:17
The Changeling, but that chicken coop murder story is insane. It's so fucked up but there were kids who
01:27:23
at the end of that were afraid they were going to get in trouble so they denied that they belonged to the
01:27:27
parents that were there to claim them. I'm thinking of those two things as two separate things
01:27:31
but it was basically just the end of the story where they were like, no, that's not me.
01:27:35
Because they thought they were going to get like spanked. Yeah. Like it's that crazy little kid mentality.
01:27:40
Yeah. Okay. It's so sad. Okay. So this boy is raised as Bobby Dunbar, whether or not it's him for sure.
01:27:48
He marries, has four children of his own and dies in 1966, having lived out the remainder of his life as Bobby Dunbar.
01:27:55
Wow. This guy. Okay. Years after his death, one of his granddaughters, Margaret Dunbar Cutright,
01:28:01
begins her own investigation of the events because I think it was like a family fucking story that
01:28:06
nobody wanted to talk about. So she pours through newspaper accounts, interviews the children of
01:28:12
Julia Anderson, the woman who claimed that that kid was hers. And they actually said to her,
01:28:17
you know, this man came and visited, visited us. And I think it was him trying to see like
01:28:24
the kid who was raised as Bobby Dunbar as an adult came back to the town where they lived
01:28:29
to meet his maybe siblings. Oh. And examine the notes and evidence presented by Walter's defense attorney
01:28:39
for his kidnapping trial and appeal. In 2004, after an Associated Press reporter
01:28:46
approached the family about the story, Bobby Dunbar Jr. consented to undergo a DNA test
01:28:51
to resolve the issue. The test showed that the kid raised as Bobby Dunbar was 100% not related to the Dunbars.
01:29:00
Holy shit. So that poor fucking woman that came down and was like, this is my son.
01:29:07
He got taken away from me. They were like, too late. We already did the parade. It's a permanent.
01:29:14
The ticker tape has been tickered. Once we ticker that tape, it's over, lady. You can't go back.
01:29:20
It's just this whole thing, too. You've got to wonder, like, did the parents of Bobby Dunbar know in their heart
01:29:27
and were okay because they just couldn't come to terms with the fact that maybe their son was dead.
01:29:33
Did Julia Anderson, was she like, this kid has a better life now. I'm fucking pissed, but.
01:29:40
But I'm not going to fight that hard because he's not, these are good people. He's being raised, yeah.
01:29:44
I know. Well, okay. So apparently Julia would speak of her lost son, Bruce, a lot.
01:29:52
And that the family always regarded him as having been kidnapped by the Dunbars So they never got over it Okay but there is an incredible this American life about this case called the ghost of Bobby Dunbar that it I think it from like
01:30:06
2004 I remember listening to it and just I was like painting my bedroom one weekend and then had
01:30:11
to sit down in the middle of the room just to fucking listen to it because it was so powerful
01:30:15
so it's an incredible episode you should definitely listen to it um and in it Margaret Dunbar cut
01:30:22
right they kind of they interview her through it she expresses the opinion at the real bobby dunbar
01:30:27
the kid who went fucking camping and swayze lake uh that he was probably eaten by alligator an
01:30:34
alligator back in 1912 that's what she thinks happened it kind of also reminds me of the
01:30:39
someone knows something season one where it's like did this kid drown or did something happen to him
01:30:43
yes it's that sort of thing too where it's like he disappeared did he get kidnapped did he die
01:30:49
but she thinks that he probably drowned or because it's that thing of like out in nature
01:30:54
it could be anything you can't even you can't even figure out like anything could happen and
01:31:00
like that idea of just an alligator going and that it that being it like that happens
01:31:06
it's fucking louisiana like yeah those alligators are up in there i can't believe see this makes i
01:31:13
know i'm upset because when you look up the wineville chicken coop murders yeah or watch
01:31:18
the movie the changeling you should then there should be some if you like this read about this
01:31:23
because that's like so fascinating yeah old-timey kidnappings and missing people
01:31:30
fucking fascinate me because there was like no dna no phones barely any photographs yeah
01:31:36
barely forensics yeah yeah fuck bobby the ghost of bobby denbar this american life amazing
01:31:43
That was great. So that was three creepy fucking missing people. Insane. Stories.
01:31:50
Oh, my God. Okay, we're back. Are there any updates on this one? So there are only updates on Aisha Degree's case, which are kind of muddled.
01:32:05
Like since 2018 through 2025, there's been like, you know, warrants that have been executed.
01:32:13
Things have been seized. There's just a lot of suspicion around this one family.
01:32:17
But no one in that family has been arrested in connection to the disappearance. And they deny any involvement in the case.
01:32:24
But a $100,000 reward is available for information leading to convictions in the case.
01:32:30
And I feel like these days when so many cases are being solved, this one is so solvable.
01:32:35
And I feel like the clues are all there, like just waiting to be put together, you know?
01:32:40
Yeah, at least there's still a tip line open. That's a really good sign that there's still like if there's evidence out there, if there's
01:32:46
people that are going to talk at some point, there's a place for them to go. And I really feel like Reddit has given this story a spotlight in a way.
01:32:55
It's so mysterious. It makes there's no, you know, it's such a mysterious story.
01:32:59
And Reddit has really like grabbed onto it and not let it kind of fade out of the public eye, which is great because I feel like those get solved when there's more pressure, obviously, on the investigators.
01:33:10
And Reddit's doing that. Yeah, great. Okay, so now it's time for Good Things of the Week.
01:33:16
This is a very special installment because for this one, George and I roll a clip from the live show in Dallas of our friend and very badass survivor, Jennifer Maury Caldwell.
01:33:27
So here's Jennifer telling her story. should we do our favorite thing as what happened at our first show in dallas yes okay so why don't
01:33:40
you fucking tell everyone okay fucking fucking shut up is that what i sound like no no uh please
01:33:47
i do it all the time um no okay so we had a special guest at our um dallas show and it was
01:33:56
really thrilling um jennifer maury caldwell who we talked about in episode 53 was it think so yeah
01:34:05
yeah um i think we said it 51 somewhere in the 50s whatever i just put there's a photo of it on
01:34:10
instagram it was episode 33 essentially it was the i survived story that i retold of the woman who
01:34:16
lived in the gated apartment community specifically for the security ends up waking up the middle of
01:34:22
night being attacked her powers cut the phone's cut um a guy stabs her and then the 911 operator
01:34:29
stays on the phone with her and when the security guard comes to ask to be let in he says don't let
01:34:34
him in and it ends up that the security guard was the person who attacked her yeah and it's
01:34:39
the craziest story she tells it herself I basically just retold her version of that story
01:34:44
as she tells it on I Survived as an episode. We heard from her sometime after and just saying, hi, I heard, you know, whatever, I heard this.
01:34:55
Which was a huge thing for us. I think, you know, we just didn't expect that. And we've always kind of wondered what impact
01:35:00
what we do has on people. And so getting that specifically from the victim of the story was,
01:35:05
and it was a positive email, was so, it felt so good. Yes, it was really nice. And it was like someone going, I get exactly what you're doing and I approve.
01:35:15
And it happened to me and I approve. So that in and of itself was exciting. Then she lives in Dallas.
01:35:22
So she let us know that she tried, I think she tried to get tickets and they were sold out.
01:35:28
She was so sweet. She was like, Hey, I tried to get tickets to Dallas, but it's sold out.
01:35:32
Do you think maybe? And I was like, yes, yes. So she and her lovely family came to our shows in Dallas and she, at the end of the show,
01:35:42
instead of doing hometowns, we asked her up on stage and the audience went fucking ballistic.
01:35:49
And I fucking, I, I started ugly TV crying. We all were crying. And I think everyone in the audience was crying.
01:35:57
And basically she, she, So she, we basically want to play this moment for you. We don't want to wait until whenever it comes up that we're going to play this live episode
01:36:06
because it was just so cool. And so, um, I don't know, there's probably a lot of long silences because there's definitely
01:36:13
moments where we're hugging or just crying or whatever, but it was just really an honor
01:36:18
and a privilege to meet her. She's the coolest woman. She is so chill. She is, she's a lawyer.
01:36:23
She's got this beautiful family who all came with her, who were also super cool.
01:36:27
and she also told us backstage the 911 operator from her story it was his first day on the job it
01:36:35
was the second 911 call he had ever taken and he they ended up they were lifelong friends she
01:36:42
danced with him at her wedding like the he was the third person that she danced with at her wedding
01:36:47
um you know she it was just the coolest we we got to meet her and talk to her honored to be part of
01:36:53
So here's that moment. Now, normally this is the part where we do a hometown, but we actually tonight tonight we have a surprise guest for you that we're very, very excited to bring out on stage.
01:37:07
Just a special guest that we want to introduce you guys to. Oh, there's Vince. And you actually...
01:37:14
It's not this. You might remember because we talked about her case on one of our episodes.
01:37:21
And she is here in the audience tonight with us. I don't remember the number. Oh, she's walking down right now.
01:37:29
She has been in the audience with you this whole time. Her story was on an episode of I Survived.
01:37:38
Her name... that's Jennifer Maury Caldwell right there thank you so much for being here
01:38:06
Oh my god. Oh my god. Are you guys too good? You can turn the lights. Hi. Hi, honey.
01:38:32
Hi. It's nice to see you. Yeah. You guys too. So when we did this episode all I did was retell Jennifer story from her words from an episode of I Survived because I lazy sometimes I just do I like to do stuff like that but also because the story was so incredible and the way she told it was so incredible it one of my favorite episodes sorry
01:38:58
sorry you told my story so beautifully that the night I heard it my husband and I drank a whole bottle of wine
01:39:09
and I cried and I cried and I cried oh god you honored me when you told my story
01:39:16
oh thank you that's so nice thank you where are those damn tissues my god Tammy thank God
01:39:29
Is there one for Jennifer? It's all we have I get Stevens Wait I wipe my nose on that one
01:39:38
After that episode you sent us an email and then we freaked out and we couldn't believe it
01:39:44
because a lot of times when we do these stories and we do this stuff we never knew any of this part
01:39:50
was going to happen for a long time we did this podcast in George's apartment talking to each other
01:39:57
So the idea that the person we're talking about responded and was like, yay. It was the most, it was just so exciting and so cool.
01:40:05
And so then you emailed us and were like, can I come to a show when you come to Dallas?
01:40:10
And we're like, yeah, we can get you in. Free tickets. So yeah. You know, I'm a lawyer, and if you guys know my attack story, my attack's not part of my daily life.
01:40:37
I can't let it be. And so I'm sitting in my office one day last September or October, and I had a lawyer say to me,
01:40:46
Your maiden name's Moray, right? And I'm like, yeah. She goes, You were attacked, right?
01:40:51
yeah and she was oh my god there was this podcast on that you last night and it floored me um and so i went home that night and i told my husband i think there's this thing
01:41:09
and so we like googled and found this thing and we sat there and listened to it and it wasn't
01:41:18
something I was really prepared to listen to, but I have to say again, and I listened
01:41:21
to it again yesterday to get ready You talked about me like you were my friend And I going to cry again
01:41:36
It was a horrible experience. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. But God is, I mean, God or whatever has blessed me so much.
01:41:46
I mean, I've got my husband, Gary, and my two kids are here tonight. So, everybody here, if you ever have anything terrible happen to you, and unfortunately too many of us will have something terrible happen to us, I hope it doesn't happen to you.
01:42:09
which show talks a lot about anxiety I've become a murderino my daughter is 15 and she probably shouldn't listen to the show
01:42:22
but she does on road trips we listen to this and anyway if something bad ever happens to anybody out there
01:42:32
I hope you guys have something as I mean god this has just been such a gift to have you honor me
01:42:39
and to have people all over the world reach out to me and honor me, so thank you.
01:42:42
And what you do, we're all fascinated and horrified by these crimes. But the way you bring laughter to what, you could cry or laugh, pick one.
01:42:56
Let's laugh. So thank you, guys. Yay. Thank you so much. Amazing. And we're back. I just have chills even thinking about that moment in Dallas and her coming on
01:43:16
stage and the audience cheer. I mean, my God, it was huge. Once in a lifetime. Also what she was like as a person.
01:43:24
So warm and lovely. Yeah. And so all about it. Like, yeah, that was a real honor. And just, I mean,
01:43:30
everybody felt it. It was such a cool shared experience. Yeah. So this episode was originally titled Jesus with a G.
01:43:38
Oh, let's change it. That's terrible. So if we did change it, we could rename it what?
01:43:46
That leave me alone thing I love so much. That's you saying the do not disturb sign.
01:43:52
What's it called? Talk about being in perimenopause. It's like that moment you couldn't think of the word do not disturb.
01:44:00
Right on a nice hot mic. That leave me alone thing. That leave me alone thing. Also very obvious but my sister dying There a lot of people that probably wouldn like that title but the people who knew would think it was very funny There Fabio of the Amish because that horrible man is slightly attractive
01:44:16
And then cry or laugh, pick one, which is what Jennifer says on stage. And we just think that one's incredible. I think that's the one.
01:44:23
Yeah, obviously. What if we just pick one of our dumb random ones? Fabio of the Amish. It's settled.
01:44:31
Forever and ever. Okay, that's this week's episode of Rewind. Thanks for being here, you guys.
01:44:38
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01:44:48
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