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Goodbye. Goodbye. Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen in Georgia. This is a show where we recap our early episodes with new case info and lots of old feelings.
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Today we're rewinding to episode 97, which we named The Hague. I think this is my favorite title of all time. It's so epic.
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We're The Hague. I love it. The Hague came out on November 30th, 2017. Okay, let's listen to the intro of episode 97.
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Welcome. Welcome. To my favorite murder. Why am I just repeating what you say? It's fun. It's like
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a call and response. Yeah. It's like, this is a real thing. I was making Nora my niece. Nora,
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she's 10. Do cheers with me. Oh my God. I love, I love babies who cheers. There's nothing better.
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She, we have video. She used to do it when she was like four years old, but now she doesn't care.
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Now she's like into sports and stuff, but I was making her like in my dad's living room while he
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watched football and ignored us i made her stand up and do cheers from my school and it was making
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me laugh so hard oh my god it was like we had a good we had a nice thanksgiving how was yours
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it was great we went with some friends too uh because my mom and i aren't speaking
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which is great so i was able to just go to a fucking old school steakhouse with vince and
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our friends oh yeah and have a nice time where i didn't have anxiety attacks and go to the bathroom
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and need to breathe and take Xanax and drink a lot. I mean, I still drink a lot.
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But it was your choice. Right. You didn't feel like you were trying to escape. No, I was feeling like I was trying to be part of it.
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Yes, that's good. How was yours? It was great. I think I may have told you this, but we basically revolted on my dad
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because normally we drive down into the Bay Area. We go to Daly City or we go to Pacifica or somewhere on the peninsula or whatever.
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We always go to our families. and they all of them are in San Francisco or so and this year my sister's like I'm so tired I'm so
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I like can barely move and I was like we don't have to go like Aunt Jo our family isn't going
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to be like how dare you they're not they're not like that yeah my mom is yeah right I mean it can
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be pressure my dad is so we had to like since when did you give a shit about Thanksgiving
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yeah there's no religion attached to it it's just fucking feeding the shit out of yourself
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But it's like a family time. And yeah, we had to. My sister's the one. I'm saying we, but she's the one that did all the putting the foot down.
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But then we went to Adrian's with her family and it was super fun. Chill and fun.
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I love when sports are on. It's loud. And I love when fucking food is everywhere.
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Is there a baked brie? I hope so. Sure was. Nuh-uh. Oh, yeah. there were samosas because
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Adrian's mother-in-law is from Sri Lanka oh my god I fucking love that so much I hung out with her a lot
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Pushpa she's one of my favorite people she's the one that when Nora was five she asked Nora what she wanted to be when she grew up
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Nora said I want to be a cheerleader and Pushpa said don't be a cheerleader be a doctor
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and Nora does that impression and says it all the time a lot of badass women in our neck of the woods
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don't be a cheerleader um well i'm looking forward to i'll be in vegas far away train
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for a far away train we're going to vegas for christmas nice i'm excited about and
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and fuck and fuck it the rest of the month fuck it you get holidays should be a holiday
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yeah they really should yeah we want to vince and i are talking about how we can um show up at
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the family hanukkah party like ridiculously so like one thing is that we get a hummer limo for
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just the two of us and have it wait outside the whole night. Yeah. And then I walk in wearing that amazing, uh, dress that has yours in my face.
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Oh my God Where that from again Oh like who made it No but it like someone made it and it a website where you can get it And a couple of girls have worn it to the meet and greet There is nothing more disorienting
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It's so weird. And amazing than somebody walking up with a, because it's not like pictures or whatever.
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No. It's like one step further where someone has made material. Yeah. Of our faces and then knives and cats and like all the things that we like.
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Knives and cats. Knives and cats. It's so bananas. So I want to wear that to the Hanukkah party.
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Good idea. And then you're just going to burn all the bridges at one time with one fell swoop.
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Yep. One swell swoop. A fell swoop. A swell swoop. Mm-hmm. Well, I was going to tell you at Thanksgiving, because now everybody knows my once secret
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passion that's now a very public passion of loving true crime. There was someone that had a Charles Manson story.
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He died. We don't care. The end. Yes. But somebody at our Thanksgiving dinner, when he was just by chance, met Charles Manson, like walking through a jail.
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What? Knew someone that was in a holding cell. He was like a teenager. And they had been messing around and whatever.
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And he like shook Charles Manson's hand. And it was when the cops had arrested him for like stealing car parts.
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But they didn't know that the Tate LaBianca murders had just happened. Wait, so they, why did he shake his hand then?
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Because it was just the guy he was talking to in the cell was like, hey, why are you here?
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Why are you here? It was one of those things. And then they're like laughing. It was both of them were just like, oh, it's this dumb misdemeanor, like no big deal.
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And then, but the guy in the cell goes, oh, this is Charlie. And then the guy at our dinner, like shook his hand.
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It was like, oh, hey, how's it going? That is fucking bananas. And I bet not a lot of people have a story like that.
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It was awesome. And also, the guy that told the story is a really good storyteller.
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Yeah. Real casual. Very Petaluma. Yeah. And it was just little bits out here and there.
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Exactly. Draws you in and all this. But also very like, he's very much himself. So it was like, you could see him doing it.
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He was, I think at the time. And it wasn't like a story he told all the time. And he was like bragging about it.
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It was like, oh, yeah. In fact, I'm, I wonder if I'm allowed to even be telling this story.
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Now that I think about it. his name out and then we'll move on. Bleep his name and relation out. Stephen cut that.
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Don't cut it. Just Stephen bleep that. Bleep it. That's a new one. Um, Stephen bleep that. Yes. Um,
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I want to talk to you about, well, so they cause this a confrontation. Yeah. I want to talk about
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your problem. I've been wanting to talk to you. No more macaroni and cheese. No, please order the
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macaroni and cheese balls that they do now. Like a deep fried macaroni and cheese. Do you know what
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I ate the night? Oh God, was it the night of Thanksgiving? Oh my God. After we went to fucking
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this crazy steakhouse, ate this crazy meal, we went and drank the rest of the night. And you know,
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you like eat at four o'clock Thanksgiving. So by the time we get home at like 11 or whatever,
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Vince and I are hungry again and drunk. Yes. And so we made a Stouffer's French Red Pizza. Hell yes.
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And fucking frozen mac and cheese. Yes. The night of Thanksgiving. Stouffer's? No, it might have been like
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Trader Joe's or something. Yeah, but still. Yeah. Some nice oven mac and cheese.
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Yeah, I'm not fucking here to talk about Stouffer's. I'm here to just talk about their French Red Pizza,
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which is my fucking favorite thing ever. Yes. That's an American classic that that is totally unsung.
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People like to talk about, I don't know, apple pie and Chevrolet. Yeah. Or like fancy pizza.
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Fucking a pizza that someone was like, look old bread. We're going to put tomato sauce and cheese on it.
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And like weird little triangles of the saltiest, best pepperoni you've ever had.
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That's like, don't come at me with the fucking supreme. Don't come at me with the fucking cheese.
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I want those fucking tiny triangles of pepperoni that bring it immediately bring me back to like spending the night at someone else's house where
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I'm like my parents would never let us eat this for a dinner definitely you're at a parent's house
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where they're like coke out of a can at the table and a stouffer's french bread pizza what the fuck
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oh my god that's so true it's the so exciting it's like a total celebration yeah or it also is
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like you're eight you've been left home alone you've been given directions turn the stove on
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then turn the stove off yeah don't burn down the house we'll be back at 11. my yeah 11.
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they need a party harder than that um well that's what they'd say but you'd be asleep by the time
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they came back at two right exactly like they're like we came home at 11 and we were totally sober
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um okay so then speaking of serial killers they which manson wasn't it was just a he was just a
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He was like a drug dealer. Piece of shit. The Tampa Seminole Heights serial killer, they think they caught him.
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Oh, right. Yes, yes. Are they 100% that it's him? It's pretty fucking certain. I'm 100% that it's him.
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I am too, so that must be right. Because if you tell me something once on social media, it is locked law in my head forever.
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Karen doesn't want to hear more than 140 fucking characters about it. Actually, 10 is fine.
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10 is fine. Just be like, they caught him. Great. And they don't even have to say who it is.
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she'll believe. No, but I'm not interested in his business. That's none of my business,
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what his name is. Not interested. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing how that unfolds.
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If he worked in a fucking Popeye's at any point, the fact that he did work in a McDonald's.
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But it gives me hope. Hold on though. Did he work at McDonald's or was he arrested at
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McDonald's? Both. He had worked at McDonald's before and he was arrested at the McDonald's.
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But we we don know about Popeye That just from our email So we had an email come episodes episodes back where these girls were like we got in an Uber car an Uber car
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And the driver was like, I think I drove the serial killer. He had worked at Popeye's.
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Right. So the fact that he had worked at one fast food place makes me think that he had maybe had a job at another fast food place at some point in his life.
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Also, if he really was a serial killer, he could have worked at McDonald's, but that was his cover.
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Like, he thought, oh, I'll lie and say I work at Popeye's. And they'll never catch me.
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Or maybe, because if the McDonald's, if I'm remembering correctly, that he wasn't a McDonald's employee anymore, he had to have another job.
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And maybe he was currently a fucking Popeye's employee. That's right. Because if he has the experience of dropping those fries for three minutes, pulling them back out, salting them, and I would encourage you to salt them thoroughly.
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Because what's more heartbreaking than fresh McDonald's french fries that you're all ready and you're like, oh, I shouldn't be doing this.
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I'm doing it. And then you stick one in your mouth and there's no salt or very little salt.
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I don't think that's ever happened to me at McDonald's. It hasn't? No. It's happened to me a couple of times.
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I have good French by luck. Fuck. I have the worst because also I'm like, I shouldn't be doing this.
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I shouldn't be doing this. Well, now I have to fucking double down and put the sauce on myself.
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Yeah. Or you get like older ones. Just like they've been around. No. Nope. Listen, this is the episode called Let's Talk About Junk Food.
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This is the episode called, sure, you want to hear about serial killers, but we want
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to talk about how French fries break down. And we just realized that we're hungry.
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And maybe that's the problem. I've had a bowl of fucking raisin bran for dinner tonight.
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Oh, that's good. And a half of vodka soda. Oh, you've got your fiber. Mommy is full.
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You've got your fruit. Did you put a little lime in there? Uh-huh. Good. Fucking citrus.
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No scurvy for you, gal. Okay. Here's the fun part. Speaking of Tampa, we put the Florida episode up last Orlando episode up last week, right?
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Yes. Because we were like, we're Thanksgiving. Goodbye. Yeah, we're out of town.
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And I would just like to say I am fresh off the highway five driving for fucking six hours
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to get back down here straight to the record, straight to Georgia's house. Love it.
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Thank you. No, no. Sacrifice. I know that's not what I'm not. More of an excuse for my performance.
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Okay, so in the episode of Orlando, I did Eileen Wuornos. Yes, you did. And at one point, we mentioned Lando Lakes, Florida.
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Yes. At which point, we kind of both admitted that we lost our shit because it's like, wait, that's really a place that was just a butter.
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We thought it was just a fucking, it's not a condiment. What is it? It's a dairy product.
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Dairy product. We both lost our shit. We got starstruck about butter. Yeah. Two things.
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one it turns out i just want to go ahead and say it turns out it's actually made in minnesota
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right but there's more than one land of lakes right but but there is a land of lakes okay the
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other thing is i was doing my fucking normal etsy late night scrolling and this the this thing
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randomly popped out that was like maybe etsy thinks she might like this and i was like well
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i'm gonna buy that for karen immediately and give it to you a month before christmas because i can't
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fucking wait that long. Yeah. No chill whatsoever. Are you ready for this? Is it a stick of butter
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from Etsy? I'm actually pulling it from behind the couch cushions right now. So if it was a stick of butter
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from Etsy. Oh, this butter smells. It's vintage. Okay, ready? Yes. Georgia. It's a fucking vintage
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like serving tray with the whole Land O'Lakes theme. Seemingly take a photo and post it on
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with Karen's face. Oh my God. No, don't include my face. Your hair looks amazing.
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Hair up. I'm going to go like this. Hair up. I've just invented the new selfie for ladies over 45.
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Yeah. Who have been driving for eight fucking hours. There it is. We'll put it on Instagram.
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This time we promise. We always say we will. But isn't that amazing? Okay. Can I just tell you, first of all, this is gorgeous.
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It's a gorgeous tray. It's very solid. It doesn't look, I mean, it's clearly vintage, but it's perfect quality.
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Yeah. And then why am I telling you how much, how cheap it was? $1. No, but it's a beautiful picture.
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Yeah. Like I want to hang this on the wall, like a picture. I know. But then on top of it, this, every time we go to an antique store, when we're on the
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road, these, you pick these up. I do. Every time you pick up a decorative tray. Oh shit.
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A tech decorative tin triangle. Oh, I could put, I could fit it. No, I have room.
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and then like you argue with yourself and with vince yeah we isn't this perfect and then he's
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like what where what for and then you put it back down but this is your favorite i guess that's my
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thing and you got me your favorite thing because i thought it was so funny i fucking love it all
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right i'm taking it back oh no what also taking it back also thank you yeah and i love that this
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is like the girl the it's not supposed to be Pocahontas herself is it? I don't know. It's just a representative
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young. Yeah it's like a Native American. She's holding her own package of Land O'Lakes
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butter. With the same image on it. Yes. It's the picture within the picture. Oh my god I'm freaking out.
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It's the fucking what's it called? What was that great movie? Not the Matrix. Inception.
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Inception. Thank you Steven. Inception. we're inceptioning land of lake style i would love we should do a heavy drug okay and then just
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go into this picture you don't have to go on okay and then stare until we're in the picture
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this is so good thank you so much i love it i'm genuinely excited and then if i can continue to
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fucking hold the floor please can i mention so we're in the pod loft again hold that floor
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are you um what that called when they do that in the republican senate when they uh oh Like when you pee out in front of everybody What that called when they do that in the Senate Oh Like when you pee out in front of everybody What it called Bad mash
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Filibuster? Yes! Yes, I'm filibustering. Great. Because we're back in the pod loft after like months because over Thanksgiving break,
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my one thing of like, Vince, we have to do is we have to clean up the pod loft. It's great.
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And so in one of the boxes, we found this painting by this girl. Okay, this painting, I want to talk about it.
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I have to redo this thing. So it's a painting of, it's like a charcoal drawing of Elvis, my cat.
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It's a little wonky and weird, but at the same time, it's kind of like artistic and gorgeous.
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It's gorgeous. Wait, did that get sent in the mail? Yeah, and it was a big package, so I just thrown it upstairs, I don't know how long ago, a while ago.
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And Vince was like, what's this? I don't know. We opened it. I was like, oh shit.
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So then Vince read me the card, and it says to all of us, blah, blah, blah. Thank you for the Minneapolis show.
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She was there with her two favorite murderinos, Hannah and Ashley. All excited, blah, blah, blah.
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And then it says, I wanted to give you this rad watercolor of Elvis. I have no artistic talent at all.
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My husband, on the other hand, got drunk as fuck in our backyard one night and I woke up to this masterpiece.
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No. Are you serious? Yeah. There was no question it had to be yours. I tried to get him to do one of Frank and George, but I think Elvis was his cross-eyed muse.
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Thanks again, SSDGM, Carrie. That's amazing. Isn't that great? It's really great.
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I know. it has a kind of um uh Monet this it could be Monet it could be Mane uh Magdalene you know
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that one with the lady with the blue eyes that has the crazy long face look we'll fucking post
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this one as well shit look at us posting shit oh no this is good I love it also you know what I
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don't think I ever thanked remember the woman who gave me that amazing painting in um it may
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have also been in Minneapolis. There's a lady and I believe her name is Clarissa. I've had the
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thank you note on my desk and I hung that picture. It's hanging in my living room. It's the amazing
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one, right? It's the one that's, it's basically a, it's a, it's green rolling hills and then a blue
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sky, but it's that progressive. I have to tell you how jealous I was when I saw that and she like,
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because it's so beautiful. It's so beautiful. And it's, the frame is beautiful. Yeah. Like it's a
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very lovely thing and she basically the note was like basically it sounds like you're getting tired
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of murder so I painted this for you so you can just look at something else it's so nice it's so
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lovely and I don't think I ever thanked her uh and I hope to fucking god her name is Clarissa but
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I'm almost positive it's because I have the thank you note on my desk but anyway thank you
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Clarissa asterix I'll fix it next week if your name is not Clarissa but also I love it so much
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I mean, I told her. It is stunning. We had a whole conversation face to face, but.
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Yeah, it was gorgeous. It was really cool. We love art. Hey, listen. Art is our fucking thing.
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This podcast loft is not big enough for everything. We're going to have to buy a fucking bigger house.
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It's so cool. You guys, you wouldn't believe how many needlepoint. Uh-huh. Fuck yourselves are up on these walls.
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Well, those two bins are full of art that I need to go. We need to go through and hang.
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So I'm going to take a photo once we're done with that. And then on the other side of the wall, there's just wrestling memorabilia from Vince.
00:21:33
It's the perfect combination. That's so great. Boys and girls. What else do you have?
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Oh, I don't know if we're not probably going to do it on this episode. I can't remember if we said we're going to do it separately.
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But my sweet Audrina is our book club. We fucked that up because Jesus fucking Christ.
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There's no way anyone. I'm sure people. There's definitely people who could have finished that book in like a day or two.
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I'm certainly not one of those people. Well, I got mine late. I'm not going to fucking name the girl on Etsy who sent it out very fucking late and very fucking slowly.
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I read a couple of pages and I was like, well, this is kind of boring. Right. And then I accidentally spoiled it and read what happens.
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And I'm like, oh, I don't want to read this. Well, yeah, I forgot about the fact that it is an incredibly problematic and triggering book for many people.
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And it is from a time in the 80s where everybody pretended things like that didn't happen in real life.
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So you could read a book about it. And oh, my God. Like shocked and odd. Exactly.
00:22:35
Can we quickly switch to flowers in the attic? No, because it's the exact same thing.
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There's no difference. Well, they're they're choosing to bone. There's like a. No, they've been locked in an attic for years.
00:22:49
Yes. They have no choice. That's true. But but yes, you're right. It's not sexual fucking assault that's been strangely romanticized.
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On a goddamn nine-year-old. Well, spoiler alert. Oh, shit. Well, no, that comes out in the first beginning.
00:23:03
But here's the thing. I think it would be fun still to read a dumb book and talk about it.
00:23:10
Because I have gone through so many emotions of trying to read that book. The phrase, the first and best Audrina.
00:23:18
Right. That's creepy as fuck. If you pulled that phrase out of the book, the book would only be 112 pages long.
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It is repeated so many times. Oh, and that fucking cousin of hers who were like, obviously, it's not her cousin.
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Like, we could think, like, I mean, like shit that, you know, now and you didn't know when
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you were 12. I've just really, really been enjoying the photos people are posting of their copy because
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no one has a new copy. It's the best. And like, people are taking photos with their cats and they're this and they're that.
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And then the like comments of like, I can't, you know, the like, how the fuck did I read this at 11 years old?
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Yes. What the fuck? Yes. This is why I'm this way. Yes. It's been really amusing.
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It's hilarious. Yeah. Also, there is an aspect to it that I think is almost introductory.
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If you want to be a writer and you're 9 or 11 or whatever, hopefully not 9, hopefully you're 12,
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you're in a weird junior high area and you find that book on your mom's shelf. Oh my God.
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And you start reading that book, you are like, this is dramatic writing at its finest.
00:24:21
It's one of those things too where it's like when you found the map of where Dahmer hit the bodies.
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Gacy. Gacy, you say to yourself, oh, I've been lied to by adults and there is this life that I didn't understand.
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And then you can't stop obsessing about it. Yes. That's like what those books are for 12 year old, 11 year old girls.
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Because up until you read a V.C. Andrews book, you are sold the bill of goods that boys, if you just figure out the right thing to say or wear or wait to be your prettiness.
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And love is love and sex is sex. They will love you in the end. But this is like, there's also intense, horrible violence on women.
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And then you're like, sorry, wait, what? Like, I'm barely getting the romance part.
00:25:08
And now we're going to do something. It's also like the sad thing of like you marry who like the mother marries this dude and she's unhappy.
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And it's like, oh, you can do that. OK, and then I'll never get married until I'm 36.
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It seems as a kid reading it, you're like this. These are all solvable problems.
00:25:26
It's like, why don't you just break up? Yeah. Talk about it. Name your kid Sarah instead of Adrena.
00:25:33
Your second one. Also, I will say this. I will admit this. And some people did this and they said they were cheating.
00:25:39
I don't think it's cheating though, because that book, here's the fun of it. I had it at my sister's house.
00:25:45
So every night we'd all go to bed. Did you read it to Nora? No. Every night we'd go to bed and I'd read Nora to sleep.
00:25:52
How incredible would that be? Literally. Literally, Lydia, literally Nora just started the Laura Ingalls Wilder series.
00:26:00
That's how nowhere near this she is. But I would go home and then I'd go, oh yeah, I have that dumb book to read.
00:26:06
And then I would get kind of excited. But I got a hardback copy with a big plastic cover that I was using as the bookmark that
00:26:15
every night I would fall asleep while I was reading it because it's the same, roughly
00:26:19
the same 11 sentences over and over again for 200 pages. So it would literally drop out of my hand and I would be asleep with the light on and I would wake up at three in the morning like, what the fuck?
00:26:29
I love it. And I would lose my place every night. So I have reread the first 50 pages.
00:26:35
It's like one step forward, two steps back every night. Yeah, that's a problem. There's a lot in there.
00:26:42
So on the drive down, I bought the audio book so I could fill it in a little bit.
00:26:47
You're brilliant. And I have to say the audio book is incredibly enjoyable. The woman reading it is doing a great job of being all these crazy people.
00:26:55
I never read books, but this time I was like, I am obligated to buy a vintage copy and read this.
00:27:01
Yes. That didn't sound right. I never have time to read books. Right. I don't know how to read.
00:27:07
I hate books. I hate words. Okay, audiobook, everyone. I mean, sorry. You know what?
00:27:15
You have that in your fucking bookcase now and everyone's going to admire it in your bookcase.
00:27:19
Doesn't matter. Well, and also I think there's probably people who love it and are sitting there going, are you guys fucking crazy?
00:27:24
This book was awesome. There's just so many ways to take this book. This is why you have a book club.
00:27:30
I want to argue with those people right now. But also I had that. That's right. This is why you drink wine and sit in a circle.
00:27:36
Hey, but because it shouldn't be a one direction. This should be. Wait, let's pause and let them say what they think about the book.
00:27:43
Go. Nope. I'm sorry. I need to stop you right there. Totally wrong. I apologize, but I know I'm interrupting you.
00:27:49
Does anyone need anything? Does anyone need crackers? Crackers? Crackers? Gluten-free crackers.
00:27:54
Oh, my God. Thank you so much for making that appetizer. Yes. Fill in your name here.
00:27:57
Blake. Blake Brie. Everyone loves a Blake Brie. I love Blake Lively's Brie. She makes the best kind.
00:28:04
Oh, my God. She needs to get on that. You're welcome. I want to say really quickly, we have one last set of shows.
00:28:11
Sorry, I'm going to sidebar this. Okay. I just want to say I'm going to keep on reading My Sweet Audrina.
00:28:16
I'm sorry. And I'm going to keep on talking about My Sweet Audrina. I'm there with you.
00:28:19
Okay, great. Awesome. And also listening. Listening to a new podcast. My sweet, my favorite sweet Audrina.
00:28:27
The best and first Audrina. My favorite V.C. Andrews. The best and sweet, my first V.C. Andrews favorite.
00:28:35
With Lando Lakes. You just put your hands in the tray. The tray was next to me and I decided I needed to put the tray on my lap.
00:28:41
I was posing with it. It's pretty great. It's so good. Oh, you are. She's posing like the Lando Lakes Native American woman.
00:28:49
Now it's three. Now it's holding it and now I'm holding it. Well, if you look really closely in the package, there's probably a picture of her.
00:28:57
There is. It's on this tray. There's four Native American women holding this thing.
00:29:05
Okay. Bye. Good. I think that's it. Great. Right? Yeah. That was two weeks worth of...
00:29:12
Yeah. We caught everyone up. Yeah. Who goes first this week based on our new algorithm of who should go first this week?
00:29:20
In my opinion, yours is going to be better purely... Because I slept today. Yeah, you slept today.
00:29:26
You didn't do six hours of driving and you didn't ride it quickly. Mine is more of a...
00:29:32
Yeah, I think you should go first. Plus, all I've seen you eat in the past three hours that you've been here is peach gummies from the gas station.
00:29:40
From the gas station. I don't know how you're surviving off of that. I had at least some raisin, nice raisin bran.
00:29:45
You had a nice bowl of raisin bran. I had a hamburger on the highway. What kind?
00:29:50
Burger King. Okay. That's good. Here the thing that a little worrisome to me I mean we all know Russia invading this country Oh yeah So that worrisome overall Yes Like we not trying to belittle any of the problems One little thing in Karen mind is
00:30:06
Is that this is a Red Dawn, very slow, quiet Red Dawn situation that we're in right now.
00:30:11
Okay. But on top of that, driving down the five, I have every exit memorized because I've been
00:30:17
doing it for over 20 years. Jesus, yeah. So it's like, I know I'm like, do I want, do I feel like a Foster's Freeze situation?
00:30:25
Or am I just going to go subway? Yes. Do I need to go clean and light and not get depressed?
00:30:31
Or do I not give a fuck? And is this my time to shine? Yeah. Whatever. Exit after exit, everything is closed.
00:30:39
Abandoned. The foster freeze is abandoned. No. Yeah. That's creepy. There's hotels that are abandoned.
00:30:47
I haven't taken that drive in a long time. It's fucking. And also a shit ton of the trees.
00:30:52
those almond farmers, a lot of those farmers, they had to stop because the water got cut off
00:30:59
because of the drought. So there's entire like groves of trees that are dead and pushed over.
00:31:05
And then the Foster's Freeze has fucking graffiti on it. End of days. It's nutso.
00:31:11
Fucking end of days, people. Guys, we can't all the money's at the top. It needs to come
00:31:15
back down. It's literally nutso because we're talking about almond trees. It's nutso. We gotta rise up.
00:31:21
Alright, go ahead. And we are back. That really was the Hague. I mean, the amount of topics that were included,
00:31:32
the diversity of subjects and people. All over the place. At 97 is when we're hitting our stride, I think, in the podcast.
00:31:40
We're really digging in deep to Thanksgiving. Yeah, Thanksgiving and fucking Lando Lakes.
00:31:48
And, oh, this was the My Sweet Adrena era, where we just did the first time we didn't follow through with a book club or the second time? I
00:31:55
can't remember. This was the original, I think. Okay. This is the first where we suddenly realized
00:31:59
what does it mean to have a book club on a weekly podcast? Well, there's two people. I think that's
00:32:04
the main thing. It's like a club is multiple people with multiple opinions and we didn't want
00:32:09
anyone else's opinion or we couldn't get it. I feel guilty like having such a strong opinion,
00:32:14
but it really was kind of like, oh, that's why you don't like reread these books. Yes. It was
00:32:19
hard to get through. You know, it was hard too is Land O'Lakes because I was immediately like,
00:32:24
wait, that's problematic because they didn't change their packaging until 2020 to remove
00:32:30
the Native American buttermaid. So like we're sitting here in 2017, we're like not even
00:32:36
knowing that we're talking about this problematic thing. And now I have all this vintage merch
00:32:41
with Land O'Lakes on it. I mean, burn it and prove you care. Burn it all. all right but here's the thing that's the it is like the kind of logo kind of thing that you do
00:32:52
as a white person take for granted because you're like oh this is the picture of of this butter
00:32:57
where it's like it's not necessary it's not there's nothing about it that is selling you butter it's
00:33:04
just discriminatory and it's yeah exploitation yeah all the things a little bit sexist i went
00:33:11
to a high school that they're like mascot was we were the woodbridge warriors and don't you
00:33:16
fucking know it. There was some heavy Native American cultural appropriation and horrible
00:33:24
stuff going on. I will say that I never had school spirit, so I don't think that I'm responsible for
00:33:29
that. I hated going there. Proof you're a punk. Exactly. It's all 2020 vision now, but we sure
00:33:36
did grow up knee deep in it. It's pretty crazy. But that's the kind of point of this show is then
00:33:42
we learn that, that becomes the conversation. Then you're like, oh yeah, it makes perfect sense.
00:33:47
Yeah. That's right. Totally. I don't want a little tray that I put five pennies and some keys on
00:33:52
to do anything other than serve that purpose. Be adorable and make everyone feel good and
00:34:00
included. Yes. Yeah. No one should get hurt when we're just trying to, people are just selling butter. It's like, just sell the butter. Just sell the butter. Just make
00:34:08
a vintage tray just fucking well they did though i mean that they took an action which is actually
00:34:13
very you know in this day and age it's important when you acknowledge the people that actually do
00:34:20
something that's actually really true yeah it's like all i'm thinking of as we're talking about
00:34:24
this is are we going to kick off a new one is that totally i don't want my tone of voice i have
00:34:30
the tone of voice where people are like she's being sarcastic it's like i'm not being sarcastic
00:34:34
I'm mad that this is always a thing, but I'm taking it. I'm too much of a literal Karen to get to take that stance.
00:34:42
So I have to change the tone of like apologies and awarenesses as opposed to, yeah, fuck that shit.
00:34:48
Passion and sarcasm. Like, how do you tell the difference these days? It used to be really hip in 2003.
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So the other night I was falling asleep to my audio book that I always fall asleep to.
00:37:30
It's either some space fucking story or Space Jam. Yes. I was thinking that too.
00:37:39
The soundtrack to Space Jam. Yes. Or Whoever Fights Monsters. Yes. That book we love.
00:37:45
The best. Falling asleep. Couldn't fall asleep. Listening. And I was like, wait, what's this?
00:37:50
about this case uh had you never heard of it before uh i think i'd heard about it like some
00:37:57
people on the facebook group had written about it here and there so i'd maybe heard about it and
00:38:01
also mindhunter even though the show there's like a couple cases that are similar it's not
00:38:07
one of them but i was like intrigued okay let's do this okay so in june of 1973 the um
00:38:15
Jaeger family of Farmington, Michigan. They go camping at a campground in Montana's Waterhead State Park.
00:38:23
It's near the small town of Manhattan, Montana. Right? Yeah. I remember Montana.
00:38:30
It's their first trip. Sorry, it's their first stop on a month-long trip. They're going like, we're going to fucking, this is our first family camping trip, and
00:38:38
we're going to drive and all this shit, all the fun stuff that is fun when you're a kid.
00:38:41
so that night the parents tuck their five children in to the kids tent oh no but just those words
00:38:54
alone but three are teenagers three of the kids are teenagers and then two are grade schoolers so they're like
00:39:00
great they're together they're safe they should be safe right yeah they fucking should be yeah and also it's the
00:39:06
70s where not only are they together and safe but some people would be like, yeah, this, you can leave them alone for four months. Yeah. A pack of cigarettes,
00:39:16
a carton, maybe you're all good. Yeah. So, uh, that morning around 4am, one of the teens in the
00:39:23
tent, this Heidi Yeager wakes up and notices that her little sister, seven year old Susie
00:39:30
is not in the tent any longer. And not only that, there's a fucking slash through the side of the
00:39:37
tent no uh-huh and there's a hook hand hanging on the top of the fuck this is like this is urban
00:39:44
myth shit uh-huh okay uh she fucking like flips out wakes her parents up uh no one in the tent
00:39:51
none of her siblings had heard a freaking thing they had just were fast asleep uh authorities
00:39:56
are called go ahead i just wanted to say the first thing i i just somebody slowly slashing that tent
00:40:04
open quietly a little rip of the fucking fibers quietly and slowly not it wasn't a quick fast one
00:40:11
so much scarier than a fast one i didn't think of that and now i want to cry yeah me too okay and
00:40:16
turn around there's a fucking wall mural of a fucking forest behind you like where they were
00:40:20
camping okay oh my god okay authorities are called like in the like immediately they find footsteps
00:40:29
leading away from the tent. And so the FBI is called because, so at the time the FBI would only get involved
00:40:37
in kidnapping cases if it was a possibility that they were taken across state lines,
00:40:42
which is fucking bananas. So they're called because maybe that was going to be a thing.
00:40:46
I don't know. And then ensues the biggest search at the time in Montana history.
00:40:52
They fucking drug the river bottom. They had helicopters circling. They did all this crazy shit.
00:40:58
but Susie could not be found. One, like I think a couple of days later, one random call, like ransom call came in.
00:41:08
Oh. But saying we want this, I want this, we want this much money. We'll give her back.
00:41:12
We'll call back with details, but no call was ever, no call came back. Just the one call?
00:41:17
Just the, we'll call you about the ransom. Nothing came back. So almost a year later, the case is fucking stalled
00:41:23
and special agent Pete Dunbar, He is an agent in the FBI's Montana office. He's attending a training session led by Howard Teton and Patrick Mullaney.
00:41:38
These two dudes are developing the FBI's newly formed behavioral science unit. Oh, hell yeah.
00:41:44
Hi. That's right. Exactly. Hello. Hello, Mindhunter. Hi. You guys are the ones that are thinking that maybe all these guys have something in common.
00:41:51
Right Maybe if we study and interview thousands of murders and murderers we get something Yeah So before the units even was created there not a lot not a lot known about criminal profiling
00:42:05
And their goal was to bring a public awareness to the psychology of murder and behavioral analysis.
00:42:11
This agent Dunbar dude is like, please take a look at this case. We need your help.
00:42:16
Which is like so big of him because back then there were so few, I feel like that was not a thing where you like asked for help from other.
00:42:22
No, that's a huge deal. Well, that's why in that show, those parts were so good.
00:42:26
Because it would be like, they would come to talk about one thing, and there would be the guy that would hang behind me like,
00:42:30
Can I ask you a question? Yeah. They all did. It was almost like they had to make sure no one knew.
00:42:36
It was like emasculating by asking for help. Right. Right. Okay. So this, although Teaton and Mulaney have been studying this stuff for a long fucking time,
00:42:48
this turns into the first real case where they get to use their behavioral analysis.
00:42:53
So this is the first case where this is used in real life. IRL, as they would say later.
00:43:01
LOL. LOL, IRL, FBI, OMG. Crazy. Okay, so the three of them together, the three agents, they profile the case based on their studies and come to the conclusion that whoever had taken Susie, so this is their profile of him,
00:43:17
And they come upon the family during a habitual night prowl and impulsively took her by cutting through the tent.
00:43:23
So it was not planned, but he was doing his like fucking rounds of maybe. He'd spot an opportunity and acted.
00:43:29
He appeared to be, they thought he was a young white male, a loner, lived not far from the campsite.
00:43:36
So a local. They thought he had military experience because the fact that he fucking broke into this tent and pulled a person out without anyone hearing it is so stealth.
00:43:44
It's creepy. Yeah. And he had killed before and possibly since. Oh, this is like a year after her kidnapping.
00:43:54
And then they were like, listen, Susan's Susie's probably dead, too, that they were like, this is part of it.
00:44:01
And that they said that he also probably collected trophies from the victim. So before these two had been called in, an informant had called and suggested that his neighbor, David Mirhofer, should be looked at.
00:44:19
It was his neighbor. He's fucking creepy. Like one of those like this guy is weird.
00:44:22
You should look at him, which usually we scoff at because we're like, weirs are not killers.
00:44:26
Yeah. So David Muirhofer is a 23 year old Vietnam vet who Agent Dunbar actually knew personally.
00:44:36
He said, quote, David was well groomed, courteous and exceptionally intelligent.
00:44:40
He was the gentlest of persons to know murderer. Right. I mean, it's not a good sign.
00:44:47
Look, and he was innocent. Moving on to the real suspect. Yeah, I'm not doing that.
00:44:51
We know that that's not how it works on Law and Order. um they so the local fbi law enforcement had questioned david and that he was he was polite
00:45:01
well-dressed really helpful so they didn't think it was him he had even taken a polygraph
00:45:07
test and taken truth serum and had fucking passed both flying fucking colors okay
00:45:14
do we believe him no oh okay no oh you do you do i was just thinking okay maybe he did it i just want to let he's the killer i just want to let everyone know i know
00:45:29
because the one thing i was one of my theories was going to be at that time vietnam vets were
00:45:34
shat upon in this country and had bad ptsd had ptsd but also were judged by others but not by
00:45:42
law enforcement i think they respected vietnam vets oh i guess but i guess the i'm just saying
00:45:46
the person that would call in and be like this guy yeah you know what i mean baby killer it's
00:45:51
that shit that was like, they really attacked people for that. And so I was thinking maybe that it was like,
00:45:57
well, he's violent because he was made, he's made to go into the army. Sure, but that doesn't mean it.
00:46:01
Yeah, no, he did it. Okay, okay. That's a real relief. I'm not like spoiling. It's like, I'm only talking about him as a suspect.
00:46:07
No, I love it. So it's fine. Okay, so Melanie and Teaton had seen, but they, okay, so now these two profilers come in
00:46:16
and they use their fucking tactics and they're like, show us all the suspects you had.
00:46:21
They read his chart and they're like, I'm sorry, this guy, it doesn't fucking matter.
00:46:28
They thought that he was a psychopath and he would have no problem passing a polygraph test, which they had never heard of before this.
00:46:36
Yes. Because he was a fucking he was able to disassociate himself from the person who had been who had killed someone.
00:46:44
Yes. So he was like, it's not fucking me. And so I'm not lying because I am not that person.
00:46:49
Right. And also the thing I love about sociopaths, I mean, psychopaths, they don't get nervous.
00:46:54
Right. They don't get nervous. They don't have stress reactions to things. When I watched the old YouTube, like it was one of those like old true crime shows where they had like, there was like an FBI head guy who was the narrator.
00:47:07
Yeah. So there was no charisma whatsoever. Because he was the real guy. Because he was the real guy. It wasn't like a fucking like charming, you know, journalist.
00:47:17
Demisferina type. Yeah, like a journalist. Sure. They said, like, you know, they believed polygraph tests, polygraph tests implicitly.
00:47:27
So this was like brand new as well. Yeah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, currently. They thought he was the killer for sure.
00:47:35
These two dudes, Melania and Teton. But everyone else is like, hell fucking no, you're wrong.
00:47:39
Even Dunbar. They were like, dude, it's not him. That was a quote, a direct quote.
00:47:44
But then, okay, then they're able to convince the Yeagers, the fucking mother and father of Susie.
00:47:53
Now they're back in Michigan. They said, okay, we think this is the kind of killer that will contact you again.
00:48:00
Because they want to be part of the investigation. It's the kind of thing where they want to be friends with cops.
00:48:04
Yeah. Which fucking David Meyerhofer was chatty with cops. Just like our boy Ed Kemper.
00:48:13
They think that the kind of killer wants to insert themselves in the investigation and
00:48:17
stay part of the victim's lives and continue to inflict pain. So gross. I know. Okay.
00:48:23
So they're like, let's put a tape recorder with your phone and let's set up a tap.
00:48:30
And they're like, hell yeah. All right. Meanwhile, Susie's mother, Marietta, she's a devout Catholic.
00:48:38
And initially she says that she was, quote, ravaged with hatred and desire for revenge.
00:48:44
And that also she could have killed the man, quote, with my bare hands and a smile on my face.
00:48:49
Yeah. Which you're like, girl. Yes. Absolutely. A hundred percent. Then she was like, as a devout Catholic, though, she's like, I she says she understood that her hatred was going to fucking kill her.
00:49:00
And she says, I quote, called for I was called to forgive my enemies, not to kill them.
00:49:05
So I made the commitment to work toward an attitude of forgiveness. So through that year, she was able to come to terms and start praying for whoever took her daughter, even if it was like, maybe he's alive.
00:49:16
So I'm praying for, you know, good weather that day or I'm praying, you know, she started kind of opening her heart to him, which is beyond incredible.
00:49:25
OK, exactly one year to the fucking day. And Karen to the fucking minute. No. Three thirty in the morning.
00:49:35
A call comes in. Oh, to the minute. OK. So the kidnapper calls the Yeagers. okay initially so marietta answers the phone and initially the caller tries to fuck with her and
00:49:49
is like uh your daughter's still alive we've been traveling the world and you're not you'll never
00:49:55
see her again all this bullshit but marietta was unfuckwithable and she fucking instead of being
00:50:01
intimidated she spoke to him with compassion and patience and she told him she prayed for him every
00:50:07
day and that she forgave him and he fucking burst into tears and starts fucking weeping
00:50:13
on the phone uh-huh holy shit the call ends up being a fucking hour long and they're and they're
00:50:19
talking are you fucking i am not fucking kidding you and then what is he confesses not yet okay
00:50:27
this is nutso i know um okay so they had an fbi voice analyst says the caller is definitely miss
00:50:37
David Muirhofer for sure, but that is circumstantial evidence. It's not sufficient to obtain a probable cause search warrant of David's house.
00:50:47
And then, so this is the fucking, this is crazy to me. And I like, it makes me sad.
00:50:52
So the agent Mullaney says that the caller quote could be woman dominated, meaning it
00:51:00
could be dominated by a female somehow. So he says to Marietta Yeager, do us a favor, come back to Montana where your fucking seven
00:51:09
year old daughter was fucking kidnapped and have a face to face conversation with David
00:51:15
Mirhofer. She jumped on a fucking plane and I'm like, I hope they fucking paid for that plane ticket.
00:51:23
Can you imagine? There's no way she paid for that. I know, but how fucking crazy would that be?
00:51:28
I don't know. I know. But still. She should have gone on like fucking Air Force One.
00:51:33
Yeah. First class. That'd be a little crazy. But yeah, that'd be like a waste of taxpayers money.
00:51:39
Chartered plane. Right. Just first class. Something. Give her a meal on the way.
00:51:43
Oh my God. This woman. I know. So she meets David Mirhofer at his lawyer's office, begs him to tell her about Susan.
00:51:52
He fucking clamps up. He won't talk. He's unmoved. He denies it. They're in there for an hour.
00:51:58
And finally it's like, this isn't working. so she leaves she goes back home to michigan and then david calls her again this time he says
00:52:07
something else like um like oh hey my he says my name is mr travis i'm the one i'm the one who did
00:52:14
it like trying to fucking trick her like this i'm the one who did it it's not this other guy
00:52:20
and then marietta goes what's up like what's up david and he fucking loses his shit she's just
00:52:26
like, hi, David. Wow. She fucking knows it. She knows. And he loses his shit. So by this time, though, the FBI is finally
00:52:34
able to trace the call and they arrest him, trace the call to him, you know. And now they have enough evidence for a search
00:52:42
warrant. In his home, police discover everything's fine. Everything's fine. Open the freezer.
00:52:49
Human remains. There's packages that look like I guess they look like deli packages, you know? Yeah, like the pink
00:52:56
Paper, yeah. And labeled with the initials of who the pieces belonged to. Not only do they belong to Susie, one of the packages contained a hand, like an entire hand with nails, identified as a woman named Sandra Smolligan.
00:53:16
Sandra was a 19-year-old woman who had disappeared in 1974, so like after Susie.
00:53:22
her remains had been found incinerated in the woods near an abandoned ranch and it was known
00:53:30
and she had he had been questioned that she had uh refused a second date with david mirhofer
00:53:36
but after he volunteered but he at that time way before all this had volunteered to take a polygraph
00:53:42
test and again fucking passed it so they were like it's probably not him but then they find
00:53:46
her fucking hand in the freezer and they're like it's him yeah um so after the search and his arrest
00:53:52
David Muirhofer confesses to killing both Susie and Sandra He said that Sandra had here the fucking bullshit of the day He fucking says that Sandra had died of suffocation when he had broken into her apartment
00:54:05
She's sleeping. He was going to kidnap her and like keep her. He puts duct tape over her face, goes to pack her bag and realizes that he had accidentally
00:54:14
put it over her nose too and she had suffocated from the duct tape. Why bother lying like that?
00:54:20
What's, I mean, come on everybody. Because then you don't seem like it's such a monster.
00:54:23
to yourself, but everybody else still thinks you're a big asshole. Right, but he had incinerated her body so no one could tell.
00:54:30
That's so crazy. Quick sidebar, weird fact. In 2005, a crew was doing some remodeling work on a garage
00:54:40
fucking building thing. And they tore into a wall to change out the wall and found a wallet identification and a small wire-bound notebook
00:54:51
that belonged to Sandra. 30 fucking years later, which is like my dream come true.
00:54:58
My dream come goddamn true. Let's rip all the walls out of this apartment. It's a new build. It doesn't matter.
00:55:05
Let's fucking do it. Was it on this podcast where we talked about our low-key superpowers?
00:55:12
No. We talked about it in person and it's one of my favorite things in the world.
00:55:16
Oh, someone asked us in a VIP line. Yes, that's right. Hey, nice to meet you. Let's take a photo smiling.
00:55:22
What's up? Really quickly, this is my favorite question. What's your fucking low-key superpower that's not that big of a deal?
00:55:30
And what was yours? I don't remember, but it was something really stupid. Like, I just want to eat food.
00:55:36
What was mine? I don't know. I don't remember. Apparently looking through walls.
00:55:41
No, no. Remember, mine was when people can't remember the name of an actor or movie, I'll always be able to be the one.
00:55:47
Which you do anyways. I wish I did, but I don't do it fully. I don't do it as much as comprehensively, but I want to change it right now.
00:55:55
So to whoever asked us that question, I would like to officially change. She's in charge of it.
00:55:59
I want it. And maybe if it's low key, then it can only be a one time thing. Okay.
00:56:04
X-ray vision to see either what's buried or what's hidden in walls. Can it only be superficial things?
00:56:11
How about that? That's the trick of it being low key. It's only like a can of beer that the builder placed.
00:56:17
It's like not a clue to anything. I don't care. Okay. Then fuck it. because when I was growing up,
00:56:22
our friends had chicken coops on there. Like Petaluma, there's like just big open fields
00:56:27
with old chicken coops that have been sitting there since the late 1800s. Terrifying.
00:56:32
I want to look through all of them. You can, we would walk through them and there would just be old equipment
00:56:37
hanging and shit everywhere. It's like people just kind of left them on the property
00:56:41
because they used, it's like either their family used to. Or they thought they were going to come back.
00:56:45
Be chicken farmers. Or they bought the property and were like, I'll just leave it there.
00:56:48
There's like, it's those kind of like barns that are slightly sloping to one side that people take pictures
00:56:54
of. You shouldn't go in because they're going to collapse on your stupid head. Yeah. But we were
00:56:58
like, oh, this is how we fill our days. So, um, Katie Neuberger, my friend and the girl who lived
00:57:04
down on the corner, her parents raised llamas and they also had an old house on their property,
00:57:11
a house. And we used to go into it. And one time, and some of the walls, no, no, it was just like,
00:57:18
there was wallpaper on the walls and um no cup no it was like flat board floors um but the there
00:57:27
was a hole in one wall and i looked in it once and saw something and started pulling out bills
00:57:33
to the chicken feed store that were handwritten old bills oh my god and i was like i was like oh
00:57:40
my god look look look and and my friend katie's like oh yeah those are in all the walls this is
00:57:44
some straight Goonies shit. I know. You know what? Goonies fucking ruined it. They made me want to
00:57:49
do this. Goonies raise the bar where it's like, I don't just want chicken feed store bills. Yeah.
00:57:56
I want a large ship filled with gold doubloons. Right. Right. Hidden in a cove. Yeah, but I want to start
00:58:02
with the fucking attic with all the paintings in it. Yes. Yes. Listen. Okay, look. Look and listen.
00:58:08
I've totally... Please invite us to your abandoned house right fucking now. I left this part to him because I knew that this would happen.
00:58:15
Because it's like my dream. It's so good. It's our dream. I know it's yours too.
00:58:19
If you've ever found something in a wall or floor. Email us immediately. Please.
00:58:26
And no lying. No lying. My favorite murder of Gmail. I did have a friend, a couple of friends who were remodeling their house on their own here in L.A.
00:58:37
And found just cool trinkets and stuff. Yeah. It was cool. It'd be amazing. Yeah.
00:58:44
Okay. Okay. They did it. Back to the story. Anyways, here's more horrible things.
00:58:50
So he had tried to kidnap her. Blah, blah, blah. She died. Incinerated her body.
00:58:54
And that's for Sandra. Okay. Then David Muirhofer is like, but wait, there's more.
00:59:01
He confesses to the unsolved killing of two local boys. March 1967, 13-year-old Bernard Pullman is playing with a friend in a creek in Manhattan, Montana.
00:59:16
So at the time, David Meirhofer is a high school senior, and Bernard, this kid's older brother, was a classmate that David had fought with.
00:59:24
David drives by, sees the little brother, fucking pulls over, takes his fucking .22 out of his car, hides behind some bushes, and fucking shoots Bernard through the fucking heart.
00:59:34
He's playing. Fuck. Yeah. Then in May 1968, and this is five years before Susie had been kidnapped and murdered,
00:59:45
or had been kidnapped and murdered. This is like 10 miles from where that had happened.
00:59:51
A Boy Scout named Michael Rainey he 12 years old He was sleeping in his tent at this Boy Scout retreat And his tent mate who was in the fucking tent with him wakes up to find him dead
01:00:08
He had been struck in the head and stabbed to death while he had been sleeping. No.
01:00:12
Yeah. It's fucking crazy. David said he had randomly killed the boys because he was pissed that he had, he had
01:00:18
randomly killed that kid because he had been pissed that he had been fired from being involved
01:00:22
in the Boy Scouts. Wow. I know. Wow. Which is like so problematic in your fucking thinking.
01:00:29
Okay. I mean, obviously. Yeah. He's a murderer. All right. As for lovely little Susie Yeager, David said he had taken her to an abandoned ranch and choked her to death after he had kept her, I think, for a little while in a closet, like a week.
01:00:46
I know. Then he dismembered her and burned her pieces, burned her up. But of course, we don't know what happened for sure because that's this is just all him.
01:00:56
Yeah. Yeah. All right. So David Meirhofer, who Teton and Mulaney believed had psychopathy.
01:01:06
Right. Which is a mix of psychopathy and simple schizophrenia. That's what they think he had.
01:01:12
This was the case. This case was the first case solved by offender profiling. this is the first fucking case where these two dudes not the guys from mindhunter but very similar
01:01:23
yeah uh and there actually is a book called mindhunter and that's what the that's what it's
01:01:28
based on yeah whatever okay so this is the first case solved by that they believe that his motive
01:01:34
had been the thrill of killing for sport so he's just a fucking asshole yeah so they didn't they
01:01:42
couldn't interview him further because that night when he fucking confessed to everything
01:01:47
at like early morning hours, they walk him back to his cell and he fucking hangs himself
01:01:53
with a fucking towel that was in the cell with him. Yeah. Of course he does. Yeah.
01:01:59
But wait, I'm not ending it on that because I'm not a fucking asshole. So that was September 29th.
01:02:06
He's 25 years old. David Muirhofer hangs himself. Fuck you. Okay. what fuck you i'm not as good as marietta no i i heard we may we all strive to be that way
01:02:22
and in the meantime fuck you dude all right so back to marietta in the early 1990s marietta
01:02:30
jaeger co-found a group called journey of hope uh dots from violence to healing dots. That's a colon. It's a colon. It's absolutely a colon. I also think the word earlier is
01:02:43
pronounced psychopathy. I knew I was getting it wrong. But I, in, when I read it, I read
01:02:49
psychopathy too. You're totally right. Psychopathy. But it's like, that's the people who study it
01:02:55
are the ones who say it that way. I wasn't going to correct you. And you don't hear it that much
01:02:58
anymore. It seems like an old term, right? Yes. No, I'm glad you corrected me because I was like,
01:03:03
psychopathy yeah no thank you yeah okay so marietta now in her late 70s works with family
01:03:11
members of murder victims and lectures at universities schools churches fucking around
01:03:16
the entire country and also like went to the hague and shit well to fucking argue for certain things
01:03:22
i don't mean what is the hague i think it's like the peace center they're like let's it's like the
01:03:29
one of my favorite people this might need to be edited out because we sound real stupid no no
01:03:34
i love to reference the hague i think it's a really funny comedy reference and one of my
01:03:39
favorite people on twitter dvs who is a rapper in new york he made a tweet today about being at
01:03:47
the hague and it made me love him so much it was so funny and random and bizarre but as i laughed
01:03:53
at it i was like i just don't know what this actually means how on earth is the hague mentioned
01:03:57
twice in one day for you. Right? That's crazy. That's why I mentioned this anecdote.
01:04:02
I think it's like the peace center. It's something political for sure. It's like where you can't be a fucking asshole.
01:04:13
It's like the Hague is like where everyone looks for peace and justice. Jesus Christ.
01:04:19
That's not real. Stephen's laughing at us and looking at his phone. Read it, Stephen.
01:04:25
It's the peace center. I don't know. I can't find an actual definition of it. It doesn't exist.
01:04:31
It's a political building where they... Isn't that like where they... Oh, yeah. It's the International City of...
01:04:39
Oh, it's a city. It's called the International City of Peace and Justice. I was telling you!
01:04:43
Oh, my God. You were one for one right. Everyone suck my dick right now, Elvis. Am I right?
01:04:49
Oh, my God. I'm so sorry I doubted you. It just sounded like total bullshit. The thing is, it was total bullshit.
01:04:58
I just must have learned about it somewhere and my brain is a better fucking flytrap than
01:05:02
I thought it was. You like, that was like you Wikipedia memorized that and you didn't even know it.
01:05:06
Uh-huh. Nice one. Thank you. The Hag. Shit. I'm going to call my production company The Hag.
01:05:15
So good. Do you think that's copywritten? Or do you think it's like- A hundred percent.
01:05:21
Also, you're opening a production company? Can I get it out of this? Oh, I didn't tell you.
01:05:25
it's more for sports that's my new thing i love it love it okay boop boop bop okay so she's in
01:05:35
her late 70s she fucking is like telling everyone what she works with the survivor so they don't end
01:05:41
up quote giving the offenders another victim themselves yeah because that whole thing of like
01:05:45
this hate is going to consume you yeah so she's like here's how to forgive it's not you know i'm
01:05:51
making this part up, but it's not for them. You're not forgiving them for them. You're
01:05:54
forgiving them for yourself because you can have that A hundred percent Yeah That it so true And like and I think it also every it everybody kind of overarching goal
01:06:05
Cause we all have things we're mad about. We all have bitterness and we all think like.
01:06:10
It doesn't affect that other person at all. Nope. Unless you bitch slap them once a day.
01:06:14
Like it doesn't even affect them. But even then it feels terrible. And you're angry.
01:06:18
I've had a couple dreams where there was one person I was very mad at for a long time.
01:06:22
and I had to have dreams about slapping her face and when I woke up I was so relieved I didn't
01:06:28
actually do it because it feels terrible yeah like making yourself feel terrible in an effort
01:06:34
in the name of vengeance yeah it's no but that's such that's high level recovery yeah fucking
01:06:42
buddhist shit yeah don't be mad at yourself if you're not there yet no way serious fucking
01:06:47
I don't I mean like that's the hardest that's yeah I feel like it's I mean that's yeah that's
01:06:53
long-term yeah long-term goals and like we're talking about someone who fucking made out with
01:06:58
our boyfriend not someone who fucking murdered our seven-year-old daughter yeah a child yeah so
01:07:04
listen so it's even baby steps it's even more just self-care look we're all we're all trying
01:07:12
to walk to the Hague, right? But there's miles to go. We got miles to go. You know the Hague
01:07:17
is your fucking end game. Hague's end game. Don't be mad at yourself that you're not at the Hague.
01:07:23
No. We're still here in America. We don't even know where the fucking country the Hague is in.
01:07:28
Or what it does. Where is it? Denmark or some shit like that? I bet it is. Sweden.
01:07:33
Somewhere the Hague is in a Hague place. The Hague is in a vague place. Denmark.
01:07:39
Karen! No, Netherlands. Sorry. We're going... Okay, now I have to ask another embarrassing question.
01:07:48
Isn't Denmark in the Netherlands? Yes. Aren't we going there? No, Amsterdam's the Netherlands.
01:07:52
Aren't we going there this fucking May? Yeah, we're going there in May. Yeah, it's the Netherlands.
01:07:59
The Netherlands is where Amsterdam is, right? Yeah. Okay, so I'm not... But Denmark's its own beautiful independent country.
01:08:06
Oh my God. Shit. Now they're so pissed. Cut the first half of this podcast down.
01:08:11
And the second half. a fucking disaster. The first and second. Okay. Let me finish.
01:08:16
Yes. Sorry. No, no, no. You're fine. Cause we need to get through this. Yeah. Cause I'm going to,
01:08:20
cause I'm trying to end this on a positive note. We just keep talking. It couldn't be a more positive note and we're like ruining it.
01:08:29
We're just giddy for some positive news. Yes, exactly. Okay. Okay. Marietta is also an advocate against the death penalty.
01:08:36
She says, quote, I would not honor the goodness and sweetness, and beauty of my little girl's life
01:08:43
by killing someone in their name. And then she says, she's worthy of a more honorable memorial
01:08:52
than a cold-blooded state-sanctioned killing of a defenseless person, however deserving of the death that person may be.
01:09:00
Which, like, agree or disagree, that's a beautiful fucking statement. And you can't argue with someone
01:09:05
who's talking about the killer of their daughter. You're like, no, you're wrong, and here's why.
01:09:09
No, no, no. There's no arguing that because that's a person that's first person experience.
01:09:14
Yeah. So anybody else, I mean, like, look, everybody obviously grieves and processes in their own way.
01:09:19
But that concept, it's a reframing of looking at it, which is you really are doing it self-righteously in the name of the person who was killed.
01:09:29
Exactly. But then it's like she's making you rethink that, which is brilliant and really amazing.
01:09:35
Are you ready for fucking to go to practice what you preach town? Yes. Are you ready to fucking visit it and go there and stay there for a holiday?
01:09:45
You mean the peace place? Yeah. You ready to go to the Hague? The place for peace?
01:09:48
The practice what you Hague? So after David's suicide, Marietta reaches out to David Muirhofer, the fucking killer
01:10:02
of his daughter, her daughter, reaches out to David Muirhofer's mother. Yes, because she's a victim too.
01:10:10
And in the years following his suicide, the moms together accompanied each other's, to
01:10:18
each other's children's graves. No. And she said, quote, together we were able to grieve as mothers who had lost their children.
01:10:26
I hoped that it would help her to know that I had forgiven him. I know. Holy fucking shit.
01:10:36
I know. Say her name again, Marietta. Marietta Jaeger. Wow. Yeah. I think she wrote a book, too, but the group is called Journey of Hope.
01:10:48
And it's co-founded. Yeah, it's fucked up. It's crazy. I can't, like, because you've seen that.
01:10:56
I mean, we've all seen that on true crime shows where the family of the perpetrator.
01:11:01
Right. is horrified and like, and they are in this strange bubble. And they have this shame and humiliation.
01:11:09
Guilt by association. Yeah. And it's like, what could I have done to prevent this?
01:11:13
And they often are the subject of so much hatred. Right. But probably maybe, or maybe we're victimized by the perpetrator themselves.
01:11:25
Yes. God damn. That's high level, high level human work right there. Mary Eddie Yeager
01:11:31
fuck yep and that's that wow Georgia that was amazing thank you that's what happens when you have insomnia
01:11:41
and you listen to terrible books in a way that's like of course you're not sleeping
01:11:46
you're listening to this shit it's so funny though because when I was listening to those
01:11:49
is it those who fight monsters yeah I think so yeah yeah I think it is something like that which by the way
01:11:55
is a great book to fall asleep to I fucking bring it down to instead of at full speed I
01:12:00
down to 75% speed. Oh, good fucking night. Usually. I like that narrator. Yeah, it's,
01:12:06
he's good. He's, he sounds like an FBI agent. He sounds official and standard, but then there's
01:12:12
also an interestingness to his voice. But when I was reading that, cause that book, it seems like
01:12:18
that book has 95 chapters. Like when I was reading it, it was just in my car every time I would drive
01:12:22
around and it felt like it went on forever. But every time I would be like, write this down,
01:12:27
this could be a murder because there are so many ones that were obscure or I either hadn't heard of
01:12:33
or knew a little bit about where I was like, write this down. And I just never did.
01:12:37
Well, this is the reason I found this one is because I was on the last chapter and it's about
01:12:41
Ed Kemper. And it's just this like even killed guy narrator talking about he would cut the heads
01:12:48
off of it. And I was like, what are you listening to Georgia? Yeah. So then instead of like putting
01:12:52
something else on about like fucking space. I put on chapter seven. I was like, fuck this chapter.
01:12:59
I'll go to a different chapter of the murder book where this is the subject again.
01:13:04
It's just going to be a different body part. It just won't be anything that's not Ed Kemper.
01:13:09
That's all I need. Also, have people already started up fan groups for the actor?
01:13:16
Because I realized I said our boy Ed Kemper. But what I mean is the actor who played Ed Kemper in Mindhunter is our boy.
01:13:21
Well, you know we're following him on Instagram. now. Oh, really? Yeah, because someone, we joked about how he would be, he should be on,
01:13:30
what's that, Pitch Perfect, Pitch Perfect. And so someone, and someone made a fucking amazing
01:13:38
graphic with just him photoshopped in there very, like, badly on purpose, and it was super
01:13:43
hilarious. Oh, yeah, that's right. And so someone tagged the dude who plays him, and I was like,
01:13:49
hey look you're on this podcast and so we're following him now i don't know if i can find his
01:13:54
name right now i probably can't we feel we follow beyonce too so oh nice he's gotta be in there
01:13:59
somewhere but it's pretty great that's so rad yeah it's it's pretty because he looks like a
01:14:04
he looks like you're like your big friend from high school that like always has shitty weed to
01:14:11
hang out with you with and like video like he just looks cool and fun and then he looks like
01:14:15
Men in his life have always tried to pressure him into playing football, but then he would
01:14:20
talk to them about quantum physics and they'd leave him alone. And he really likes hanging out with girls, but not sexually assaulting them.
01:14:27
Yes, exactly. Unlike Ed Kemper. And then he will post a photo on Instagram of like, here's me as Ed Kemper.
01:14:33
You got to watch this. And I'm like, oh my God, that's not you. Oh, Stephen? Cameron Britton.
01:14:40
Yay! Is he Canadian? He looks... He's got a Canadian. Canadian vibe to me. Yeah, maybe.
01:14:47
Maybe. Cameron, let us know. Well, that was great. And we're back. Do you have any updates?
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01:15:05
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01:15:10
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01:15:15
interesting. We should all check that out. All right, let's get into Karen's story about Randall
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01:17:00
Goodbye. So this, as I've already said several times, I drove down the five today.
01:17:09
Honey, I bet this is going to be amazing. No, no, no. This is part of, this is like the beginning.
01:17:13
I'm sorry I called you honey. Oh, okay. I get it. I thought you were telling about how bad it was going to be.
01:17:18
And I'm sorry. Well, it is, but I've already made that clear. Okay. But I wanted to do a story, something about the five.
01:17:24
Love it. Right? Now, I've already done the I-5 killer. Yeah. The guy that used to be on the football team.
01:17:32
That is, I mean. And then there was also an I-5 strangler. but he was one of those ones that I didn't,
01:17:40
it just was depressing. Yeah. And it was a lot of women, women's bodies lost in creek beds for years and years.
01:17:50
Yeah. And when we say, we say these, it was just depressing. We mean it also didn have interesting facts We don mean like they all fucking depressing They all depressing This one was once again a man who for 20 to 30 years just got away with killing whoever
01:18:07
the fuck woman he wanted to come by. There's no Myrieta at the end of that fucking story.
01:18:11
That's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is. Except for, that's not true, in the I-5 Strangler, there's a detective who would go and hike
01:18:19
up in the mountains because the one woman that this guy said he killed but they couldn't find
01:18:25
her body he would just go hike to see if he could find something and he finally fucking found a
01:18:30
quarter-sized bone in a creek that when that had been a dry creek bed when he put his her body there
01:18:38
but was now a flowing creek what the fuck he found it and they they dna tested it and it was
01:18:45
her. What in the fucking fuck? I bet you I had all that on a document somewhere. Somewhere I could have
01:18:52
given you the names. I'm sorry. It was pretty amazing and that was one of those things where
01:18:56
there are detectives out there who do that job because they not only want to help people
01:19:02
but they want to solve people's sadness for families. They want them to know. They want to end the sadness as much as they can.
01:19:14
There's no closure. We know that. Yeah. But not knowing is worse. Exactly. Yeah.
01:19:19
And he would hike. He would just hike around the area. I mean, it's amazing. Anyway, but apparently that didn't cut it for me.
01:19:27
Okay. Apparently my standards are even higher than that amazing story. No, here's what it is.
01:19:32
I hadn't heard this, but this is a, not only is it not an old story, this is almost a borderline breaking story.
01:19:40
Wait, what? So that when I heard it, I was like, hold on. I'd never heard anything about this.
01:19:46
So on Wednesday, November 15th. Wait, like two weeks ago? A cab driver in Stockton, California.
01:19:59
He picks up a fare and he notices that the man that's in his car fits the description of the APB that the San Joaquin County Sheriff's Department had just put out for a six foot tall man.
01:20:12
with a heavy built black hair and black eyes. Oh, no. He was very dangerous. And the APB said, do not approach him under any circumstances.
01:20:23
Or pick him up in your cab. Right. So this cab driver calls 911 and says, I think I just had this guy in my cab.
01:20:32
And at 1030 a.m., police arrest 59-year-old Randall Sato at a gas station on Highway 99.
01:20:39
And it turns out Randall was an escapee of a Hawaiian mental hospital where he had lived.
01:20:46
He has lived for the past 40 years. Oh, my God. He is described by the doctors and the people that committed him there as violent, a violent, manipulative psychopath and a murderer.
01:21:00
So here's what he did to get into that mental hospital. In 1977, a woman named Sandra Yamashiro was walking to her car out of a mall called the Ala Moana Center.
01:21:14
Next to her car is a car parked and a man sitting in that car. He shoots her in the face with a pellet gun in her car.
01:21:26
And he goes over to ask if she's OK. She's been shot in the face. Oh, my God. And then he repeatedly stabs her.
01:21:38
He goes over to see if she's okay. Well, says the phrase, like, are you okay? But he just went over there.
01:21:45
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then basically stabbed her multiple times. Left her in her car.
01:21:52
And then got back into his car where his girlfriend was sitting in the car and drove away.
01:21:58
Was she... Okay, go on. I don't know anything about the girlfriend because this is so fresh that basically all the it's one of those things where there's the AP story that came out.
01:22:11
There was a story that was in time and AP and every other article in every other newspaper was basically the same article.
01:22:18
Yeah. Different, slightly different word changing. Yeah. What we call the Karen Kilgareff treatment.
01:22:25
So. So he's tried for this murder and he is acquitted by reason of insanity. Uh-huh.
01:22:33
So he... His girlfriend had to know because you don't stab a person that many times
01:22:36
and then get into a car and you don't have blood all over you. She's sitting in the car
01:22:39
next to the car where the murder's taking place. And then she's hanging out and having a great time.
01:22:43
I don't... She's like... With murder. Unless she has 70s fucking headphones on and an eye mask.
01:22:49
Like, there's no way. She doesn't know exactly what the fuck's going on. Ooh, good point.
01:22:54
She's driving. Creepy. Well, either way, he gets tried. He's not convicted. Instead, he's acquitted.
01:23:02
by reason of insanity, but then he is committed to the Hawaii State Psychiatric Hospital.
01:23:09
Okay, good. Where he's lived for the past 40 years. Fuck. Yeah. So, here's what happened.
01:23:17
On Sunday, November 12th at 9 a.m., Randall walks off the ground. No, he shouldn't be able to do that.
01:23:26
Right? He shouldn't. And he walks to a place called Kanaoke Park, which is how I'm thinking that they pronounce it.
01:23:34
So he gets to this park. He calls the cab. The dispatcher, there was a whole article about this dispatcher.
01:23:42
It's a female cab driver comes and picks him up. Oh, no. There's a video camera inside the cab.
01:23:51
And it shows him. And he now has a backpack that he didn have or couldn have had at the psychiatric hospital and he in the video he looking through the backpack like he never seen it before So he like rifling through it to see what in it
01:24:06
Oh my God. No, no, no. He pays the cab driver in cash and he gets dropped off at the airport where he has chartered,
01:24:15
already chartered a plane. Cost him 1500 bucks. If you charter a plane, that's essentially a private plane.
01:24:23
and you don't have to check your that's right what the fuck if you pay a guy 1500 bucks
01:24:30
and you're like can you fly me to Maui they're like okay they don't make you do anything extra
01:24:36
that's not enough money to not have that shit checked right but it is it is Hawaii where
01:24:42
it's all islands and that's kind of a major mode of transportation right right right right
01:24:47
as I learned from the film hard ticket to Hawaii please watch it if you've never seen it
01:24:52
Okay, so he gets to Maui, then he, with a fake ID that was in there, postulating was in the backpack.
01:25:05
So basically, somebody put that backpack together for him. I bet it was his cousin.
01:25:10
I'm just going to say cousin. Fucking cousins, man. They're always fucking helping you too much.
01:25:16
They're always aiding and they're always abetting. Always aiding and abetting. so he gets onto a Hawaiian air flight
01:25:25
to San Jose no no no no imagine the difference between you live in Hawaii and you're like
01:25:31
I gotta get to San Jose imagine who sat next to him right on the plane I wanna know what he drank
01:25:40
I wanna know what sandwich he ordered and they were out of that sandwich so he had to get a fucking wrap
01:25:44
I'll tell you what he has a backpack full of cash seemingly uh huh cause he bought
01:25:49
but they don't take cash on planes anymore. Good point. I'm sorry. He got zero drinks on that plane. He got
01:25:56
zero sandwiches on that plane. Unless it was a JetBlue where you go up to that awesome little refrigerator.
01:26:02
I have never, George and I took a flight and there's a JetBlue set up now where instead
01:26:08
of them bringing around a weird wicker basket of like, do you want a pretzel or not?
01:26:11
Pick it now. Don't pick more than one. Don't put this on me. I always say no out of pride.
01:26:17
I always pick wrong and I get bummed about it. I'm always like, I'm above pretzels and cookies.
01:26:23
I actually hate pretzels, but I would have loved those fucking yam chips or whatever the fuck.
01:26:27
I don't want a basket shoved at me like it's the offering plate in church. I want to sit with my decision and be like, what do I want?
01:26:36
I'm going to grab each and then eat a little of each. I want to dig through it like a large raccoon and see what I want.
01:26:43
I want to touch all of them. I want to touch each bag, even though they're the same brand and the same item.
01:26:47
Well, he didn't get that opportunity. He didn't get shit unless it was a jet pilot.
01:26:52
No, it wasn't. It was Hawaiian air. Okay. We knew that. We knew that. We knew that going in.
01:26:58
I just wanted to talk about a mid-plane refrigerator and snack cupboard that was purely based on,
01:27:06
do you have the guts to walk up here and grab food? And then it was just all the bravest people on the plane.
01:27:12
That makes me sad. Why? Because you have to be brave to go up and get a snack. Well, I mean, that's just societal pressure where it's like you walk up there, but everyone's going to watch you.
01:27:22
Like for me, I'm going to point at everyone next time. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck.
01:27:27
I'm going to go through the plane. Here's what I did. I waited and waited and waited.
01:27:31
Then I waited till I had to go to the bathroom because the bathroom was right across from this area.
01:27:35
Then as I came out of the bathroom, I pretended I'd never seen the cupboard before.
01:27:39
And then I went, well, I guess I will have a beverage. Well, I'm up. I mean, this makes me think you have shame issues around eating and drinking.
01:27:45
Do you think? because I fucking this makes you think and not me telling you over and over that I have these
01:27:52
severe issues when you say those things I'm like yeah I care we all have issues great what do you want to order and well I guess this is probably why when we do order I'm like
01:28:04
let's get to this and this and this because then you'll just say yes instead of yes saying I don't
01:28:09
want that no I'm not ordering it I also my my favorite new thing is yes let's get four things
01:28:15
okay sorry this is just a sidebar this is this poor guy this has become about us i know
01:28:21
poor guy this asshole fuck this okay him okay what we went there was a new restaurant that
01:28:27
opened in peddlin while i was home for thanksgiving and adrian and i made plans for lunch then my dad
01:28:32
was like hey want to go to lunch and i was like adrian can we collapse these plans together i mean
01:28:37
i'm under a lot of pressure yeah and she's like totally let's party with jim is he the coolest i
01:28:41
want to hang out with him so bad my dad yeah he's the greatest man is he coming to our la show
01:28:46
i think we could get him to let's let's put him up at like a really nice hotel like let's spoil
01:28:51
jim i want vince and him to talk about wrestling he would him and vince should go on their own
01:28:56
separate vacation okay they would be best friends immediately do you know that my dad got mad we
01:29:02
went to this place and they didn't have budweiser and he wanted to leave oh vince is like that too
01:29:08
Yeah, it was that thing where he goes, I go, dad, they have log, they have all Lagunitas
01:29:11
on top because Lagunitas is in Petaluma. That's so fucking, oh, it is. That's bullshit.
01:29:17
I don't want that. Who doesn't have fucking Budweiser? Seriously. No, then it gets pissed if they don't have like certain things.
01:29:22
Lunch started with, with a slight anger. Oh, it was for, oh, your dad and I are going to get along.
01:29:28
Lunch drinking? Sign me the fuck up. Honey, when you walk into, you guys have to come up.
01:29:33
When you walk in to Jim's house, the first thing he says to you, Hey, want a cold one?
01:29:39
Can he make me? I know that he used to drink Manhattans with your mom. Can he make me a Manhattan?
01:29:44
He would love to make you a Manhattan. It would be his favorite thing. Bark. And he would also laugh like, you're going to have a Manhattan?
01:29:51
He would think it was the most refreshing thing in the world. Okay. Yeah They party He parties They Well kind of all my family I was thinking of because at his birthday party we all went out to dinner and Carol Painter who was sitting next to me his friend Woody who also a fireman
01:30:13
Manhattans are like the first thing they order at a restaurant. I love it. They're good time people.
01:30:18
So from Maui, he goes to San Jose. He arrives in California, 530 Hawaiian time. Two hours later, the hospital alerts the authorities that he's missing, which is eight hours after he walked off the hospital grounds.
01:30:32
He's fucking in a different fucking part of a planet. He is. And they're like, oh, hey, we're missing a quick bed check.
01:30:39
We did an evening bed check and Randall wasn't around. We did our once a day bed check.
01:30:45
This is a hospital with 300 patients. They're at capacity. And the sad part is, or whatever part, they're now all under investigation.
01:30:54
Like over 60 employees are on unpaid leave until they figure out how this happened.
01:30:59
I just hope they figure it out quickly so that they're not punishing a bunch of random people.
01:31:04
59 of those people deserve their job back. And hey, you work in a psychiatric hospital.
01:31:09
You better get paid every minute of the time you're there. That's a hard job. Basically, then the APB goes out at 830.
01:31:17
So this is like, you know, a lot of time has passed since Randall has just super chill style walked off the psychiatric grounds.
01:31:25
That's a problem. So somebody called in a tip line and let the authorities know in Hawaii that Randall had a brother that lived in Stockton, California.
01:31:34
And that's how they knew to alert the San Joaquin Sheriff's Department. Hey, you put out the same APB, make sure.
01:31:41
And that's how that news all got distributed correctly. Can you, quick sidebar. Yep.
01:31:46
quick fill time. Can you imagine being that brother? Ugh. Being in Stockton with your family and friends.
01:31:52
You haven't seen your fucking brother in 40 years. Your crazy brother that murdered someone.
01:31:57
Knock on the goddamn door. Yeah. Look through the peephole. Uh-oh. Yeah. Uh-oh. Okay, go on.
01:32:04
Hawaii Five, uh-oh. Sorry. That was not necessary. No, that was the best thing I've ever heard in my fucking life.
01:32:10
That was gorgeous. I just believe you. Okay, so So altogether, Randall had been on the run for four days, that whole span of time.
01:32:22
But he had been trying to leave that psychiatric hospital for a while. So in 1993, he put in a request for a conditional release saying that he, and the court said,
01:32:34
no fucking way, you are a sexual sadist and a necrophile. So you have to stay in the mental hospital.
01:32:41
Um, deputy prosecutor Jeff Albert said, Randall Sato is very disturbed, mentally ill individual
01:32:48
who is very dangerous with respect to whom all the predicators indicate that if he were
01:32:55
to be released, he would kill again. Oh dear. Then in 2000, his, he gets his defense attorneys to once again, argue for his release.
01:33:05
Um, and again, that same prosecutor, Jeff Albert says he fills the criteria of a classic
01:33:11
serial killer. Basically, he's not getting out. But a lot of people that worked there and the
01:33:19
people that the doctors that, you know, analyzed him or whatever the word is, said he was also very
01:33:25
personable and had very good social skills because he's a psychopath. He's a master manipulator.
01:33:30
Don't use that as a yeah, but it's like, yeah, and. Right. It is. I think for them, it is a yeah,
01:33:37
and, but I was using it as a segue. Okay. So I was trying to make it, I was trying to turn it that
01:33:41
basically since he's been in this mental hospital, he has had six significant relationships. Three
01:33:48
have been with staff members of this hospital. Yeah. And to the point where then a hospital
01:33:56
administrator found out that Randall had been being escorted home for weekend conjugal visits
01:34:02
for two full years with nobody on that like high level knowing. With like a nurse or whatever?
01:34:07
Yeah, like he had two wives outside of the hospital that he would, he basically tricked people
01:34:15
into letting him go home and like fuck his wife. Two different wives. Oh no. They ended up blocking the visits for all patients.
01:34:27
Two years later. Exactly. Nobody, now he's like, you know what? now nobody can leave the facility.
01:34:34
Now nobody gets to have conjugal visits here or off. But if you think about it, if you've been committed to a mental hospital
01:34:42
because you fucking stabbed and shot a woman. For him, yeah. But everyone else is like, all I did was
01:34:48
go crazy one night and break stuff. Oh, that's true. Well, I mean, yeah. That's case by case. But in general, they're basically
01:34:54
saying when you are dealing with people like this, this can't even be an option on the table.
01:34:59
No. Because you're going to end up Jail with treatment. Exactly. But he has been there for a long time.
01:35:06
So he's like, you know, the mind is going. The mind of a psychopath is going always.
01:35:12
And actually, those dalliances were impetus for a rule change in 2003. The state attorney general's office decided mental patients committed to Hawaii State Hospital have no legal right to conjugal visits.
01:35:26
So that actually went to the state level because of him. Yeah. Because it was that bad.
01:35:30
And he got so horny. He broke out. He's like, someone get me a backpack. I got to get to San Jose.
01:35:37
I got to fuck. So in 2015, Honolulu prosecutor Wayne Tashima argued against him receiving passes to leaving
01:35:48
the hospital grounds without an escort. So again, he was asking, he's like, guys, real quick.
01:35:53
It's just me. I know you've said no before. It's just me, the murderer. Can I just take a walk around the grounds?
01:36:00
And in these articles, they're also interviewing the neighbors that live near this hospital where they're like, yeah, we didn't know they were allowed to leave.
01:36:09
We didn't know any of this was happening. It's super crazy. Oh, my God. So anyway, the judge, so you know how he was acquitted on account of mental insanity?
01:36:23
The circuit court judge who deemed him mentally unfit to stand trial and committed him to the hospital is a controversial figure.
01:36:36
he said that because after he shot her and then went to check on her and asked if she was okay
01:36:44
that to him meant he was insane and so he was not uh he could not stand trial oh that was all it was
01:36:54
based on the whole thing was based on simply that and this is what he said if you look at the evidence
01:37:00
that was presented, she did not move. She was bleeding profusely. Her face was down.
01:37:05
She did not move or answer him at that point. And for him to think that she would identify him and
01:37:09
therefore he had to kill her, that becomes irrational also in my mind. The same year
01:37:16
that he had that ruling, he overturned a jury verdict that found high profile Honolulu crime
01:37:24
boss, Charlie Stevens, guilty of a double murder. Stevens admitted to the murder. And the jury was
01:37:30
like, yep, you did it. The jury was like, he's guilty. This guy comes in and is like overturned.
01:37:36
Don't ever do that. He's going to walk away. Judges. He said there wasn't enough evidence.
01:37:42
There wasn't enough evidence and the guilty party confessed. Yeah. So anyway, they basically,
01:37:50
After that happened, protests happened at the state capitol and everyone was calling for his firing and an investigation because clearly there's something going on.
01:38:01
Are you on the take? All the cases. Yeah. Yeah. But especially with things like that, where he's basically kind of.
01:38:07
And I mean, obviously, this is super technical, but but the idea that a judge is like, I've decided you're too crazy to go to jail.
01:38:15
You can you can go over here, but you don't have to go to jail for for this murder.
01:38:20
Because I think that seems crazy. Yeah, because this one thing you did in my mind, and you're not a fucking crazy person,
01:38:28
so you're judging this based on your own fucking... Just like your taste. Yeah. That seems crazy to me.
01:38:37
That's crazy. That's crazy. Don't go to jail. Okay. Oh, also, on October 6, 1981, that same judge was arrested for drunk driving, and he was found later at his family's Mokalea beach house with multiple injuries, including a broken collarbone.
01:39:00
He said that he passed out as he was beaten, but the investigators think that he tried to hang himself.
01:39:08
Oh, my God. so that's my super sloppy but kind of amazing still breaking story that's amazing where every
01:39:17
article i read had a little more information so he's in custody now yes in they they've extradited
01:39:23
him back to hawaii he didn't kill anyone while he was out there nope he did he go to his brother's
01:39:29
house did they have thanksgiving dinner he didn't make it okay he didn't get any of that okay he
01:39:35
basically took um two plane rides well three on the way back and a couple cab rides and we don't
01:39:42
know who gave him the backpack yet that's the thing is it his girlfriend in the hospital is it
01:39:47
the girlfriend that he was visiting on his day pass it's her outside of the hospital sorry honey
01:39:51
it's you but there's could be somebody on the inside because that's who wouldn't but how do
01:39:55
you leave a thing up if you're on the inside oh you mean like one of the she's like i'll leave it
01:39:59
by this awesome coconut tree as you walk out of the front gate. Oh, so it could have been on the grounds.
01:40:05
Because also, how does he just walk off the grounds? Like, just walk off. Yeah, you'd hope it'd be more secure than that.
01:40:11
And go to the park. If he is a criminal where the deputy district attorney is like, this man has all the makings
01:40:20
of a serial killer. Yeah but think of you like I watched this dude for 40 fucking years He never tried to escape It like you don need to worry if he wants to go look at the fucking grass on the whatever the fuck And he a psychopath So he going to be able to tell you exactly what you want to
01:40:36
hear to make you trust him and get, and maybe get you a, get him a backpack filled with
01:40:42
cash and fake IDs. Right. Cause he had to have a fake ID to get onto that Hawaiian air flight. So somebody was doing,
01:40:49
somebody was breaking the law for him actually. Yeah. Oh, that motherfucker's going to jail.
01:40:54
But then the thing that kind of drives me crazy, I really wanted to know more about that murder because also it's so insane and extreme.
01:41:03
It seems like other there's because there's the thing about that is, is there's nothing sexually sadist about that murder from what you've told me.
01:41:12
No. Or necrophilia. Right. So there's there's more shit going on. It's like they have taken this story and it kept saying police records.
01:41:21
hospital records and then interview things so it's like this story is kind of like piecing itself
01:41:27
together like there's way as it goes there's way more going on there's way more and i wonder
01:41:31
like when i was um when i was googling because i really was just trying to to look up sandra uh
01:41:41
yeah sammy sandra yamashiro's murder in 1977 and you can't you can only find it within these
01:41:48
articles about him or they're like the original uh the original news report that someone made
01:41:56
yes i was trying to do that quotes around the name all those search things that you try to do
01:42:01
and it nothing came up about her specifically which drives me crazy but i guess also because
01:42:07
it's so long ago that maybe those like that microfiche has been thrown away but anyway
01:42:12
hopefully more stuff will come out about that because it seems like that guy's done
01:42:16
way more stuff. Obviously, he's been prosecuted for. That's fucking awesome. I can't wait to hear
01:42:23
more. Yeah. And we're back. Two heavy hitters this week. Karen, do you have any updates?
01:42:32
I do have a couple. So after escaping, Randall served five years at the Halawa Correctional
01:42:38
Facility before he was transferred back to the Hawaii State Psychiatric Hospital.
01:42:42
When he was charged, he pled guilty to the escape charge, but he said he had no other option but to flee.
01:42:48
He said he escaped to prove that he could exist in the community without harming anyone, saying, quote,
01:42:54
this is about buying myself time in the community to prove that I could be in the community without doing anything wrong.
01:42:59
Wow. End quote. A new building for the hospital was unveiled in 2021, including more cameras and fewer blind spots and exits points.
01:43:08
and after Sato escaped, six hospital employees were placed on off-duty status and no employees
01:43:14
were formally disciplined anywhere beyond that. Wow. Yeah, that story's wild. And I remember
01:43:20
like discovering it and getting interested in it and it feels like 50 years ago. It's such a strange,
01:43:27
like this part of this experience is so funny where it's like, oh yeah, we've done so many of
01:43:32
these stories and each one was like exciting and interesting and like a full, you know,
01:43:38
a full dive into a whole world. It's kind of almost like heavy to think about. Yeah. Once we got past like the first 20 where like we could pick them off the top of our heads,
01:43:48
the stories we wanted to cover that we've always been interested in and had to start like doing
01:43:52
some digging and some Googling to find the real research. Yeah. And like stories we had never heard
01:43:59
of it it became a job but it also got really interesting yeah it was like we could be directional
01:44:04
about what we wanted to be talking about and why it's totally cool it's like watching ourselves get
01:44:10
a little agency as we're riding this insane canoe yeah like we can actually don't not a canoe karen
01:44:18
we're not on a goddamn canoe are you fucking kidding me it's kind of crazy like a canoe where
01:44:23
sometimes the weight's off and it gets all shaky and you're like what the fuck is going on all those
01:44:28
canoes you ride in all the time. You know, every once in a while when the whitewaters come up
01:44:31
in the canoe, you have to paddle a very specific way. All right. Let's head back into good things
01:44:40
of the week from fucking 2017 of all places. Aw. I know. That was great. Thanks, Georgia.
01:44:49
Yeah, Karen. I mean look at your mom nail polish You know what insane What Laura can attest to this We could call her right now I bought this nail polish last night and I go isn this the best color
01:45:05
And she goes, that's the color mom used to wear. Oh my god! I swear to god. I swear to god. Mauve. It is. It's like a brownish mauve. Yeah, I like it.
01:45:15
It's very 1982. Um, well... Goodbye. No. And then one thing that makes you happy.
01:45:23
You do it first. I've been talking for so long. I had a couple, but I think very simply my favorite thing is that you have found GIFs.
01:45:35
Oh, GIFs. Yeah. Say GIFs. It's too late for GIFs. Yeah, but I don't think anyone knew what I was talking about.
01:45:42
GIFs. Yeah, I thought you meant GIFs. No. GIFs. GIFs. I love GIFs so much. Yeah.
01:45:48
And you didn't do them until like the past two months, I think. You know why? Why?
01:45:54
I didn't understand. I didn't understand that you had to get the app. Oh, yeah. Giphy.
01:46:00
G-I-P-H-Y. Yeah, you just get that. And it's already on your texting. It's now on it.
01:46:04
It's waiting for you. There's no better response than a response in GIF. Yes. It's just perfect.
01:46:14
It's very specific. Anything you fucking need. any fucking thing you like any fucking face you're trying to make yep it's so stupid and funny
01:46:23
in gif form and you the fact that you now like do it to me makes me so happy because it's like
01:46:29
it's really funny because you did it to me forever and it would make me laugh so hard and i wanted to
01:46:35
do it back but i would be trying to do it i would be going on to like google and then look putting
01:46:41
the word gif into the fucking search bar like the old woman that I am. It was making me insane.
01:46:47
Steven, did I ask you about it? Is that how I ended up getting that app? No, I think you found it on your own.
01:46:52
Did I do it on my own? Oh my God, who's a big girl? Well, then that's my favorite thing over this week is that I did it on my own.
01:46:57
Who's the big girl? No, you know what my favorite thing is? And this could be, I'll go even simpler than your gifs.
01:47:02
Because the one I sent to you tonight is stolen from Steven. It's my favorite gif of all time.
01:47:09
And it applies to any situation. And it's Kim Kardashian peeking around a bush. And it is so fucking funny.
01:47:15
And the first time Steve had sent it to me, I, of course, sent Stephen some text that was like,
01:47:21
no, Stephen, go fuck yourself, or some obnoxiously jokey, mean thing. And then the response was Kim Kardashian peeking around a bush.
01:47:30
What do you put in to look for that? Kim Kardashian bush? Oh, God, no. Don't do that.
01:47:35
No, don't do that. I think it's sneaky or sneaky. I think I want to see that episode where it's from.
01:47:43
Yeah, I don't care. I think I've seen that episode because they made Chloe go on a date and then they all watched her from behind a bush.
01:47:50
She was on like a weird, uncomfortable, blind date and she didn't want to go. And and Chloe and Kim.
01:47:58
No, sorry. Wait, him and Katrina, Kim and Maureen, my favorite one. made her do it and then spied on her and laughed at her where it's like,
01:48:11
that's one of the first episodes I ever saw where I was like, but you made her do it.
01:48:15
So this isn't like, you're not, it's only funny if she wanted to do it, if it was her idea,
01:48:20
but it was your idea. So you can't make fun of her. So we hate the Kardashians and what they
01:48:25
stand for, but we love the gifts they make. Here's the thing. The gifts are their gift.
01:48:30
whatever the kardashians thing is you you can't deny it and you can't fight it because one time
01:48:37
i went and laid down on my couch and turned on e accidentally nothing i would do intentionally
01:48:43
and there was a kardashian marathon on and i watched every fucking episode for like hours and
01:48:50
hours it's amen i watched every episode of fucking nick lachey and jessica simpson show
01:48:56
Oh, that thing was brilliant, though. And I loved it so much. But that was brilliantly...
01:49:01
I know some of the people that worked on that, they were like comics. What about Ashley Simpson's show?
01:49:05
That was amazing. I'm not interested in Ashley Simpson. Well, what about fucking six years ago, were you?
01:49:12
Yes. Yes. When she was married to Pete Wentz? No, it was way before that. It was like when she was like I this famous person little sister and I going to do it on my own And know she like eyeliner eyeliner oh my god i fake punk yeah that was a good show but but that the uh original jessica simpson is
01:49:35
like with some fucking gorgeous television huh huh so good bad honey guys look and listen
01:49:43
we've done it again and fucking look Okay, we're back. So as we said, this episode was originally entitled The Hague.
01:49:56
Just one of the all-time greats. Why do you like it so much, can I ask? I think because we got into a little system of how we were doing it.
01:50:03
Like it had its own voice. And then this was just this insane, like, almost like we were being diplomatic or political.
01:50:12
I couldn't tell you what happened in The Hague if I had the full internet and a half an hour.
01:50:18
I would still come back with kind of not really knowing. If we were naming it today, something I understood,
01:50:24
maybe we would call it Goonies Raise the Bar, which is good. Also, You Have to Be Brave.
01:50:33
JetBlue. Just get up there and shop at JetBlue. Red Dawn Situation. I think I like that one.
01:50:39
That's good. Or GIFs Are Their GIFs. I mean, come on. About the Kardashians. It was right there.
01:50:45
It was right there. That's a good one. All right. Well, thanks for listening. let's say goodbye from the newly cleaned pod loft back in 2017.
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You know, if you've ever tuned in to us because you were trying to waste time or just distract yourself, I feel like this is the episode for you.
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Congratulations. I hope we took you to a different planet. Listen, this was absolute madness.
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All hail Marietta Yeager. Yes. And fucking live your life. Do your shit. Get, try, just, just, we're all, just Marietta, try to do it Marietta style.
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Like, don't do what we do. Fuck no. We're fucking monsters. Jesus. Christ. No, no one's trying to do what we do.
01:51:33
And stay sexy. And don't get murdered, please. Bye. Elvis, oh, Donnie. Hi. Oh, that was cute.
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