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Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is more bed. [Music] This is morbid. And it's officially
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spooky season, y'all. >> It's [ __ ] spooky season up in here. September 1st always feels
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glorious. >> Just like a new a new day, a new dawn, a new life. >> It's a new day. It's a new dawn. It's a
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new life. >> You're like, I can't just let that go. >> I need to stop singing because I It's
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funny. I listen to podcasts where sometimes people sing and I'm like, "Gh, >> who does that?" And you're like, "Me."
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>> And I'm like, "I do. >> I do." >> But yeah. >> Yeah. >> You don't need to stop singing. It's
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fine. >> Thank you. No, no one does. >> Yeah, no one does. Sing your life away. >> Keep singing.
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>> Keep singing. >> We're all going to die someday, so you might as well sing. >> We're on a floating rock in space.
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>> It's crazy. >> You know what? It's really exciting. Um, it's September 1st, so that means all of
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my [ __ ] bins that have been collecting dust in the basement. >> Oh, yeah. >> Are coming on upstairs tonight.
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>> The Halloween decorations have begun. It's about to go hard. Oh, I just I have
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needed this season. No, I can't wait. >> I've needed this season. The last uh three years or so have been rough and I
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needed a good restart fall season. >> Yes. And we have some really really fun things that are coming down the the pipe
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there. >> I know. >> I'm pretty excited about. We can't tell you about them yet, but I promise
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they're really close. >> In a couple weeks, we'll be able to tell you. Don't worry. Well, there actually
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I'm thinking of like multiple right now that I'm like, "Fuck yeah." >> Yeah. There's a lot of fun things. Like
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it's going to be a fun season. It's going to be a fun end of the year. It >> is. Yeah. So, one exciting thing that we
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already told you about, but that of course I'll have to remind you about is that we had a second show.
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>> We did at the Wilba. >> At the Wilba. So, we are already doing the Friday show, which you guys already
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sold out, which is cries cry. >> Yeah. You sold it out in three minutes. >> Under three minutes.
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>> I don't think we've given you guys the credit that is deserved for that. >> Yeah. Brava,
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>> brava, >> thank you so much for wanting to see us like that. >> Um, we want to see more of you. So, we
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added another show and that's going to be um the Sunday, which is the 28th. >> Yes, the 28th.
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>> And tickets for that are going to go on sale next Monday, September 8th at noon.
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Also, how fun is it that when I say to you next Monday, it's next Monday for all of us.
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>> It's next Monday for everyone. >> We are current with you. >> We are with you in your ears. It was so
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many years of not being current with you that I forgot what you look like. You don't have to hear us say I don't know
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when this comes out. >> Cuz I do know when it comes out. I think I'm pretty sure this comes out on
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Thursday. >> I know when this comes out, >> Mikey, does this come out on Thursday?
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>> It does. >> It comes out on Thursday. >> This comes out on Thursday. We know when
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it comes out. >> It's [ __ ] crazy. >> We're with you. >> Oh my god, I love it. Yeah, we get to
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talk about all the all the [ __ ] that's currently happening. >> Hell yeah. But like, have you guys
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watched I haven't watched it yet, but I've heard a lot about it. There's a new documentary called Unknown Number. It's
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like a catfish documentary. >> The high school catfish one. >> Um, I haven't watched it, but I've
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gotten a lot of Tik Toks about it, and I know what goes on in it. And holy [ __ ]
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>> I got to watch that one. >> Holy [ __ ] >> I got a few Tik Toks about it, but then
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I kept scrolling because I was like, "Don't spoil it for me." >> Oh, I immediately got like the first
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words out of most people's mouths are like, >> that's the thing. That's why I'm always
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like, >> "Yeah, I just was like, cool." We just had such a good idea like collectively
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in this room. We have a bonus episode now that's going to be coming out next Friday. So, we could probably talk about
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that documentary if we wanted to. And then Elena was just saying we could probably talk about a few documentaries.
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>> Yeah. We could just kind of have a little roundup of the of the crazy documentaries that are floating around
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here. >> Yeah. So, if you guys want to give us any suggestions or anything, like leave
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it in the comments. >> Yeah. >> Of what you want us to watch and we can kind of incorporate that into bonus
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episodes. >> Yeah. because bonus episodes, the one that's going to happen, we'll have a
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bonus episode once a month ina in case you uh missed that in the last announcement. Um, and the bonus
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episode's just in addition to all of our other episodes, just an extra episode every month. And it's just going to be
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whatever we want it to be. And you know, it it might be spooky, it might be true
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crime, it might be horror, it might be Halloween this like season, it could be anything.
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>> Yeah. >> So maybe limit that for the first It's very It's limitless. We might have a lot
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of guests on those episodes like >> you know that it'll be limitless. So maybe that could be one of the ones we
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do. >> We should also talk about the Amy Bradley documentary. >> I was literally just going to say that.
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>> Have you watched it yet? >> No, not yet. >> It's three parts, so it's like a long
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one, but >> it's so good. >> I know. I have to catch up on these things, >> guys. I can't wait to talk to you about
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it, actually. >> Yeah, so many people are involved in this. So, >> yeah, maybe we should talk about like
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those two now that I think about it, cuz I think that could take up probably a full episode.
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>> Yeah, for sure. >> All right. And then one more little um bit nasty thing. Uh a lot of our
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international listener listen listeners were like no like we can't get serious like ad free serious you can get ad free
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serious girls and boys and they you just look up SiriusXM on Apple Podcasts and you can you'll see that um there's like
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a monthly subscription right there that you can set up on Apple Podcast and then
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you can get the ad free as well. Y >> we would never leave you out. >> No. >> Ever. And if you're not getting like ad
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free or you don't want to get ad free, we're free everywhere. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. So like you you just listen to it
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wherever. Spotify, all that stuff. Like whatever. Cuz people keep asking like are you on Spotify? Are you if you asked
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are you on this? The answer is yes. Like it's just unless are you on Wondery Plus? And the answer is no, baby.
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>> That's the only one that it's a no. Everywhere else yes. >> Yes. We are on all those. Nothing has
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changed except for where you can get the ad free version. That's it. >> That's the only thing that's changed.
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>> And if you find that we're not on, we don't even know it. So you should tell us it.
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>> Exactly. >> And if you get it through Apple podcast, get the Sirius subscription, it's
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actually the exact same price as our previous partners. >> Yeah. So nothing will change at all.
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>> So there's that. Yeah. Um and again, Sirius has some like really fun things planned with us.
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They're already [ __ ] awesome and they're already like really ready to make this experience awesome for you
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guys as well. So, like very exciting things to >> It's actually September 2nd. I think we
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thought it was the first when we first started this. So, we've officially been working with them for 2 days and we're
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thriving >> and we're the happiest we've been in a long time. >> Yeah. In a few years.
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>> Yeah. >> So, with that being said, let's get into the case for everybody. >> Let's do it. We're in a Patty Hurst um I
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almost said we're in a Patty Hurst hole. Well, yeah. You know, my but my just >> It's like a Khole but different.
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>> It's different. >> Yeah, it's a Patty Hurst hole. >> Yeah, >> actually. Yeah, that is weird.
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>> That's where we are. Okay. >> Anyway, here we are. So, we're I'm standing firm.
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>> She's making it weird immediately. And that's my sister, everyone. >> Hell yeah.
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>> Uh so, we are back. It is part three. This is going to be part three of four.
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I've decided I think it's just good to break it up. Um cuz sometimes the story just it makes sense.
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>> A lot goes down in this story. So I think just to make it palatable, I it worked for me to do four parts and I
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hope it worked for you too listener. >> Yeah. >> So while the public and Patty's family
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themselves were debating whether or not she was brainwashed or if she just decided of her own free will to join um
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a terrorist movement. >> Yeah. >> Patty was fully immersed now either way. And she had recently taken part in a
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pretty intense bank robbery. >> Yeah. Where that iconic photo is from. >> That iconic photo. in her iconic outfit.
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A lot of people are like, "Damn, that's a good outfit." >> I mean, revolutionary outfits tend to be
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pretty awesome. >> They do go a little star. Yeah. >> Like, that's just facts. >> I'm not saying join a revolutionary
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movement, but I am saying dress like it. >> I'm just I mean, why not dress like it?
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>> Revolutionary girl fall >> chic. >> Check out the new Tik Tok trend. >> Let's go, girls.
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>> So, by the end of April, the SLA had burned through most of the money that they had stolen from the bank.
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>> Oops. And with rent on the safe house coming up in a few days, Donald Dreeze decided that the best thing to do was
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probably just abandon the apartment and start searching for a new place to stay.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. I just abandoned it. >> Yeah. There was a lot going on. So he said, "We should get out of here." After
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packing up everything they owned into cars, they filled a bathtub with all the chemicals that they had stocked,
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everything that was left. and Defreeze left a note on the bathroom wall that said, "Warning to the FBI, CI, CIA, DIA,
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NSA, NSC, and CBS, just to name a few." >> My goodness. >> There are a few clues in this bathroom.
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However, you will have to wait until they are dry. An additional word of caution, half pound of cyanide,
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potassium cyanide crystals, has been added to this quote unquote homebrew. So, pig, drink at your own risk. Damn.
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>> There are also many additional juicy SLA clues throughout this safe house. However, remember that you are not
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bulletproof either. >> Whoa. >> Yeah, >> that's a lot. >> I do love the um some juicy clues. Like
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>> I know juicy made me feel like >> a terrorist organization saying juicy clues spread around the apartment. Feels
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feels like it's for the law. >> It does. It feels like it's for the law. For sure. For the plot.
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>> Yeah, it's it's all for the plot. It's all for the plot, really. So, a few days
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later, neighbors started to get, you know, concerned when a ton of cockroaches started coming from
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underneath that apartment door specifically, >> and they just kept on coming. >> So, neighbors were like, "11? I have an
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emergency." >> Oh, I would 100% call 911 in that situation. >> Me, I'd pack up my apartment and find a
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new one immediately. >> Yeah, I would I'd call 911 from the next state. Like, that's I would bye.
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>> I'd call 911 and say, "I I did an arson because cockroaches. >> I did an arson because cockroaches. I
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did an arson. >> Well, unfortunately, by the time the police arrived and broke down the door
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on May 2nd, the SLA had been gone for days. >> Missed him. >> Yeah. Oh, you just missed him.
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>> You just missed him. >> Got to be quicker than that. >> So, Donald Defze thought that they
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should get out of San Francisco. The law was pretty hot on their tail. The long arm of the law.
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>> And the long arm of the law. >> Isn't that always just so funny? The long arm of the law.
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>> Cuz you picture a long arm. I picture one of those grabber things, >> like the thing like you pull the trigger
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and it like grabs the grabber. >> Um, so he was like, "Let's head to LA and avoid the long arm of the law."
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>> So using the money that they had left, they got a new apartment out there. Everybody was still committed to the
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cause. They still saw Donald as their leader, but the reality of the situation was starting to take its toll. They were
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fugitives who had multiple law enforcement agencies on their tail. They had no money. They were dirty from days
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on the run. And they were being led by a pretty increasingly paranoid and erratic
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leader. >> Yeah. >> Like that's >> it's not it's not giving logical. >> It's not giving rational.
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>> It's not giving safe. >> No. >> It's not giving comfort. >> It's giving scary.
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>> It's giving >> on the run. >> It's giving unpredictable. >> It is. It was a far cry from the vision
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they all had of becoming gorilla fighters all camped out in a jungle protected by their common goal in their
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guns >> in their in their strong leader that they could trust with their lives. >> Yeah. Who would never get crazy like a
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cult leader. >> Yeah. >> Never that. >> Never that. >> So everybody was a little stressed out.
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So around 4:00 on May 16th, Patty and Bill and Emily Harris were like, you know, let's go run some errands. Let's
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kind of get out of here for a minute of the safe house. So around LA, they're like, we got to get some [ __ ] done.
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Emily was driving. Bill was in the passenger seat. And Patty really had no choice but to squat on the floor in the
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back of their Volkswagen because the back seat uh was taken up by a pile of guns, obviously.
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>> Yeah, you can't move those. >> No, I mean, be careful moving those if you're going to
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>> be careful driving with those. >> Definitely. Well, first they stopped to buy some groceries. Then they moved on
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to a clothing store where they bought a couple pairs of jeans. Personally, I think the errand order should always be
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groceries last. >> Yeah, >> cuz they sitting in the car. Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> With your guns. So,
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>> with your guns, >> you know, I don't know what guns do to groceries or if they
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>> they shoot them. >> I mean, maybe >> that's what guns do, >> but they shouldn't Your groceries
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shouldn't just be sitting while you run your other errands. >> Absolutely not. >> In my personal opinion.
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>> Yeah. They they're getting in that danger zone. >> That's the thing. And you don't realize
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how quickly your car can heat up. >> Oh, yeah. >> Even if it's if it's like fine outside,
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the inside gets warm. >> Oh, yeah. >> And that's where bacteria builds on your on your roasted chicken.
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>> The danger zone. >> The danger zone. Yeah. So anyway, as they were driving down Crunchaw
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Boulevard, Bill spotted Mel's sporting goods store and he was like, "Oh, Emily, stop. Like, we could probably find some
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stuff that we need here." So, they parked the car and Bill and Emily got out and insisted Patty wait in the car
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because everybody recognizes Pat. Well, guns, yes. And also, everybody recognizes and is on the lookout for
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Patty Hurst. >> Yeah. >> So, they were like, >> "Has she had to stay in the car for all
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the errands? I wonder." >> Yeah. >> Why would you even go? I'd be like, I'm not >> I mean, well, that tells you also though
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how shitty things were at the safe house >> cuz she wanted to get the hell out of
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there. Even if it meant sitting in a car >> and not even like sitting comfortably in
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a car, just like squatting in the back seat while you like lean a top a pile of guns
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>> and groceries. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And groceries are probably stinky at some point.
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>> So, inside Emily and Bill, they were taking their time. They were just casually wandering up and down the
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aisles, browsing, probably basking in the enjoyment of being out of the safe house for the first time in a while. And
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at the front of the store, the clerk, who was 21-year-old Tony Shepard, he looked up into like one of those like
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mirrors where you can see what people are doing. >> And he saw Bill take a bandelier off the
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shelf and slip it into his pocket. That's like a um like a thing you can wear that has all the
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>> Oh, yeah. >> pockets for ammunition. >> Yeah, >> it's a gun thing. And he just slipped
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that into his pocket. >> Yeah. I don't know if it came in like a package or whatever, but
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>> he was going to shoplift it. So Tony figured he would wait to see if the couple ended up paying for it before he
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said anything and made a scene. >> Yeah. Smart. >> You know, you're not shoplifting
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technically until you leave. >> Yeah. >> So a few minutes later, Emily brought their items up to the counter and she
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paid with two $20 bills. But Tony noticed that the bandelier wasn't among the items that they paid for.
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>> Uhoh. So just as they were walking out of the store, he yelled to another employee, also named Bill, for some
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backup. Bill Harris thought that Tony was calling out to him, so he whipped his head around, but he felt a little
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better when he saw the other employee coming. But still, his kind of like senses are like, "Oh, [ __ ] does. Does he
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know who I am? We're on the run and everybody knows who I am." So once he realized that Tony didn't
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actually know his name, he went over to the counter like Tony had asked and that's when Tony confronted him about
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shoplifting. Now like I just said at that time the FBI posters, their photographs, all that was plastered in
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post offices, bus stations, all these locations around California. So they were nervous and any kind of unwanted
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attention seemed risky. >> Which like maybe don't shoplift. >> Yeah. If you're not trying to attract
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attention to you >> 1,00 gajillion% >> dumbest [ __ ] I've ever heard. >> Yeah. Hot tip of the day. If you're on
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the run, don't shoplift. >> Yeah. And like Bill Harris is the one, if I remember correctly, who seems to be
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the kindest to Patty. Wasn't he the kindest to Patty? >> Uh he and Willie Wolf. >> And Willie Wolf. Cuz I remember Bill
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Harris was the one that like held her hand and like calmed her down. >> He held her hand
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>> and he was genuinely like she said was like kinder to her. So I'm like, "Bill,
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Bill, what are you doing here? >> You're ruining my my vision of you." You know,
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>> I had a good >> I had an all right first impression of you. Yeah, you were along the way for a
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kidnapping, >> but you know, handholding is kind. >> We got to look at it like relatively in
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the situation. If I'm looking at you amongst the others, you're the you're the star there. Yeah. You know, you and
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Willie. >> And I would like you to not shoplift and attract attention. >> Too late. He already did. There he is.
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And now he decided he was going to make a break for the door. But before he could get there, Tony Shepard and the
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other clerk tackled him to the ground. >> Damn. Emily jumps in because this is her
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man. And she tries to pull the men off of Bill, but at that point, another clerk had come from the front of the
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store and the pylon had escalated into a full-blown brawl. [ __ ] was bad. >> Oh man. Now, outside in the car with the
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pile of guns and the rotting groceries, Patty heard the commotion and she looked
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toward the store and that's when she saw Bill and Emily fighting with these three
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men. >> Mhm. So, in that moment, she made one of the most consequential decisions that
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she had since she joined in on the robbery of the Hiburnia bank rather than jump into the front seat of the car and
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drive away because the keys were literally still sitting in the ignition of the car or just get out and walk
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away. >> Yeah. >> She pulled the blanket off the pile of guns. >> Oh, Patty. >> And she grabbed the largest and heaviest
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weapon she could find, which was Bill's submachine gun. Patty, this did not call
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for that. >> She pointed the gun out the window of the car. No. >> Aimed in the general direction of the
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store and pulled Trigg, firing about 30 rounds into the front of this sporting goods store where she could have killed
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a million innocent people, children, like elderly. Y just innocent people in general. Yep.
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>> With no regard. >> No regard. Cool. >> Completely shattered the glass, the windows, the doors, everything. Wow.
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>> Bullets were tearing through the building. >> It's some dumb [ __ ] that reaction.
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>> It's some dumb [ __ ] as well because also you don't even know if you're going to
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like it's dumb [ __ ] anyway. And also you you're trying to help your friends but
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you could hit them with this gun >> kill both of them. >> Some of the bullets actually came within
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inches of Bill's head. >> Of course they did cuz she's just [ __ ] willy-nilly. >> Yeah. Another round hit the store
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manager squarely in the chest, but luckily the bullets were deflected by a ballpoint pen that he had in his front
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pocket. >> Never throw that pen away. >> That pen should be framed. >> That that pen pocket.
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>> Yeah. >> Now, holy [ __ ] >> When she emptied the clip in Bill's gun, she reached down and grabbed another gun
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and started firing again. By then, everybody in the store had dropped down to the floor to avoid getting shot,
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which then gave Bill and Emily the opportunity to run. Oh [ __ ] >> So, as soon as Patty stopped firing for
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the second time, they jumped up from the floor, ran out of there, but not before
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my guy, just the clerk at this sporting goods store, Tony Shepard, managed to get a handcuff around Bill's wrist.
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>> Oh my god. You want Tony working at your >> You want Tony in every situation?
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>> Every situation. Like Tony is 21 years old, working as a cashier at a sporting
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goods store and he's like, "Nah, I'm going down with this." >> Oh yeah. He He had goals. Stopping this
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shoplifter. Like that is loyalty. >> Oh, you just wait. So he gets the handcuff around Bill's wrist. Bill still
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manages to make a break for it, but he literally still has a handcuff around his wrist as he's drive. As he like
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shoves Patty away, >> he throws the Volkswagen into gear and he speeds away from the seam. He figured
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they'd be fine as soon as they got out of the area. But to their incredible surprise, Tony, our guy, a criminal
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justice student who had an eye on the police academy, >> fired two shots at them from his own
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gun, jumped in his own car and started tearing after them. >> He said, "You are not going to shoplift
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for my son. >> You're not taking a bandelier." >> And he said, "This will get me into the
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police academy." cuz he's like cuz at this point he's like this is not mere shoplifting anymore. They shot a machine
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gun into the store. Like they could have killed everybody in that store. >> Yeah. And also I don't even think he
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knew who they were at this point. He's just like you're crazy. Like I have to stop you before you kill someone.
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>> Yeah. >> So if they had been in San Francisco, Bill would have known where to go to get
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Tony I was going to say to get Tony off his case. >> Tony. But having just gotten to LA, none
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of them except Donald Freeze were familiar with the area and he wasn't there. >> Oh my god.
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>> So Bill had no idea where he was going. >> And it's not like he's got GPS to throw
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on right now. >> This is the ' 70s, my guy. So he's just tearing after he's tearing down one side
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street after another until they put several car lengths between themselves and Tony or Tony if you're nasty.
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>> It's old morbid girl. >> I don't know why that was. >> It is old morbid. We are We are so back.
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Tuni if you nasty. >> Tuni of nasty. So now knowing that they couldn't outrun Tony, Bill threw the car
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into park and he and Emily grabbed guns from the back and just stood in the middle of the street with their weapons
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pointed exactly at Tony >> who had finally caught up. >> Oh no. >> At this point, obviously he knew he
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wasn't dealing with ordinary shoplifterss anymore. And I think he also just realized he was outgunned. So
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he just threw his car into reverse and slowly backed away and then started driving in the direction of Mel.
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>> Tony's out here making correct decisions. He said, "You know what? >> Yeah." >> He said, "This is more than I bargain
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for." Yeah. >> Tony said, >> "No, I don't I don't I don't like my job this much."
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>> No. He said, "I'll I'll still get into the police academy, and I'll probably get a raise."
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>> Yeah. So, so relief was shortlived for uh the trio, Patty, Emily, and Bill, because they then heard the sound of
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sirens coming from the direction of Mel Sporting Goods almost immediately. The entire scene from the shooting to the
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car chase had gone down in broad daylight. Also, so it was witnessed by multiple people on the sidewalk who
00:22:05
could have easily identified them. >> Yeah, you guys are killing it so far. >> Like, you guys are real dumb.
00:22:09
>> Good job running errands. >> Literally, wait. Good job running errands. When you really think about it,
00:22:18
y'all ran out to get some groceries and and some random [ __ ] Good job running errands.
00:22:25
>> Good job running. >> I'm going to say that to Drew every time he comes back from running errands. Good
00:22:30
job running errands. >> Good job just running errands. >> So, thinking fast, question markish,
00:22:36
Bill looked down the street and he saw a young couple who had just parked their uh Pontiac Trans Am on the side of the
00:22:42
road >> in my old Trans Am. You know that cash? >> I don't. Oh, you should. Uh, so Bill
00:22:49
walked over to the car and pointed his gun at the driver and he said, "We're the SLA. We need your car." And the man
00:22:55
did not care. He looked up at Bill and just said, "Fuck you." >> He looked up at Bill holding a pointed
00:23:02
gun at him and he said, >> and he literally said, >> "Fuck y'all. [ __ ] y'all. [ __ ] y'all. I
00:23:08
want to know everything about that man. >> I need to know his entire story." Unfortunately, I don't know anything
00:23:14
about him. >> I want to know. >> Aside from the fact that he got balls. >> He said, "Fuck y'all."
00:23:18
>> He said, "Fuck you. >> My trans." >> He's not. Eventually, he said, "It could
00:23:23
be your transm." Because I think there must have been something on Bill's face. A second or two later, he was like, "You
00:23:29
know what? Here you go." >> And here's the thing. If some Like, we're laughing because that guy was
00:23:32
like, "Fuck you." If someone holds a weapon to you and says, "Give me your car. Give them the car."
00:23:36
>> Yeah. >> Give them the car. >> I hope you have insurance. >> As long as nobody's in the car, just
00:23:39
give them the car. >> Exactly. So, so he gave the car eventually and they were back on the
00:23:45
road. It seemed like they'd solved their immediate problem, but just a few blocks
00:23:51
down the road, the Pontiac's engine died in the middle of an intersection. >> If that is an immediate karma, that man
00:23:58
put a hex on them. He said, "Fuck you." >> He said, "Not my Pontiac. My Pontiac only runs for me."
00:24:03
>> It only will take me from point A to point B. >> It will not take you. So, >> damn. So, Bill, Emily, and Patty found
00:24:11
themselves stranded once again. They're be they're >> If anybody has ever watched Frank's
00:24:17
Gemstones >> when he tells BJ, "You're really bad at being at the lake. They're really bad at
00:24:23
really bad at running." >> So, fortunately for them, Bill spotted a father and son getting out of their car
00:24:30
about 100 ft away. He rushed over and demanded that man hand over his keys. And this time the guy noticed the
00:24:37
handcuff around Bill's wrist and the two women holding guns. So he was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally." But can I
00:24:42
just grab my lawn mower out of the back? >> That guy is so real for that. >> Like that is so real.
00:24:49
>> He said, "You can totally have my car, but like not my lawn mower." >> He said, "I'm with my son. I'm not going
00:24:52
to cause you any issues. You can take that car." >> I just can I just have that lawn mower?
00:24:57
>> And you know what? Bill got it. He said, >> he said, "For sure. For sure." >> Here's the thing about Bill. I had no I
00:25:03
had no like doubts that he was going to give this man his lawn mower. >> No, he didn't.
00:25:07
>> He's got a lot of stuff going on. Yeah, >> he's making a lot of dumb decisions, but
00:25:11
I knew Bill was going to be like, "Take that lawn mower." >> Here's one thing about Bill. Bad at
00:25:14
running errands. >> Yeah. >> Understandable, approachable guy. >> Has a strangely sympathetic nature about
00:25:22
him, even though he's doing some crazy [ __ ] >> That's true. So, having now transferred
00:25:26
the guns and the other goods twice, the trio loaded up the third vehicle and drove toward Englewood, hoping they
00:25:32
could find another car that they could steal, obviously, to throw the police off their trail. A few miles down the
00:25:38
road, they spotted two young hippies getting into a camper van, and they pulled into the parking lot behind him
00:25:43
because they were like, "Oh, perfect camper van. Love it." >> Yeah. >> In the previous carjackings, it kind of
00:25:48
seemed like the drivers really didn't register any kind of fear, >> which is hilarious. If anything, they
00:25:53
just seemed annoyed that they needed to give up their cars. >> Yeah. >> This time, the young guy at the wheel
00:26:00
bursted into tears as soon as Bill produced his gun. >> Oh my god. And for a minute, Bill was
00:26:06
like, "They're there. I just need to steal the van because ABC, C, and D." But the guy was too hysterical to even
00:26:12
focus on what Bill was saying. So, Bill just gave up. And here's the thing about
00:26:17
Bill. Another carjacker would have just hit him in the [ __ ] face, ripped him out of the car, and stolen his car.
00:26:23
>> Facts. >> I'm I'm not saying Bill's killing it here. I'm just saying Bill is an
00:26:28
interesting character. He really is. >> At the very least, he is fascinating his
00:26:33
nature. >> He's like, you know what? I'm sorry. >> Cuz I love that he was like, you know
00:26:36
what? I've upset you, so I'm going to move on. >> Keep your hippie then. Okay. >> Like another carjacker in that scenario
00:26:42
would have hit him in the face with the gun and dragged him out of the car. >> Absolutely.
00:26:46
>> Wow, Bill. Wow, Bill, >> you're a fascinating character. >> He is. It only got stranger.
00:26:51
>> Okay, >> so a short time later, Bill spotted another van with a big for sale sign in
00:26:55
front of a house in Lynwood. >> Oh. >> So, they knocked on the door and they were greeted by 18-year-old Tom
00:27:00
Matthews. >> Oh, Tommy. >> Who said he didn't mind if they took it for a test drive, but he had to go along
00:27:05
with them. That was the rub. >> So, once they pulled away from the house, Bill was like, "Hey, I got to be
00:27:10
honest with you, man. um we're the SLA and I don't want to cause you any trouble. As long as you don't cause me
00:27:16
any trouble, you won't get hurt. And Tom was like, "Hey, I get it, man. Totally fine."
00:27:21
>> Good for Tom. >> Um but I am on my high school baseball team and we do have a big game tonight.
00:27:27
Can you get me back before that that game starts? Like, is that going to be an issue? And strangely, Bill said, "No,
00:27:34
brother. I got you." He said, "We're going to drive around for a little bit. Uh, I don't even
00:27:40
really know what the point of keeping Tom was, but you know, it worked out. >> There's so many parts of that that are
00:27:50
great. The fact that Tom was just like, "Nah, it's cool. I get it." He was like, "I have a game tonight, so
00:27:59
could you get me back so that I can just go to my game?" Are you just going to go
00:28:03
to your game and be like, "What did you guys do today?" >> I think he did. >> Me? I got kidnapped by the SLA.
00:28:09
>> Got kidnapped. I carjacked by the SLA. >> I got carjacked and kidnapped by this
00:28:16
liberation army and then they got me home in time for the big game. That's a story he told. That's You know that meme
00:28:24
where it's like, "Okay, grandma, let's get you back inside." That's Tom. >> Okay, Tom, let's get you back.
00:28:30
>> Okay, Grandpa Tom, let's get you back inside. >> I'm crying. I have tears running down my
00:28:34
[ __ ] face because also I love that Bill was just like >> totally get it. We'll get you back.
00:28:40
>> Bill was like, "Yeah, I you know, I've been there probably." >> Bill confounds me.
00:28:45
>> He is. He's a confounding guy. So, what started that morning as a [ __ ] simple
00:28:51
supply run, running errands, >> in just a few hours had devolved into a shootout and multiple carjackings,
00:28:58
culminating in their stealing a van from a teenager and low-key kidnapping him in
00:29:02
the process. >> Hey, you're not good at running. >> You're really bad at running erns. But
00:29:07
here's the thing. All three SLA members really quickly grew to like Tom. >> Well, I mean, who wouldn't? I like Tom.
00:29:14
And in the end, they let him go with enough time to get to his baseball game. And because of that, he said, "You do
00:29:20
one for me, I do one for you. Bill, can I get that handcuff for you that's just hanging around your wrist?" Shut the
00:29:27
[ __ ] up. >> He said, "There's a hacksaw on the back of the van. I can get it off for you."
00:29:31
And he did. But before we're leaving, he held up the cuff and said, "Can I keep this as a souvenir?" And Bill said,
00:29:37
"Yeah." >> He said, "Hell yeah." >> He said, "Go for it." >> Hell yeah, brother. You Tom had the
00:29:41
souvenir to prove what he had been through. Grandpa Tom held up that [ __ ] handcuff.
00:29:46
>> Yeah. >> Every He and he waited. I know it. I can see Grandpa Tom sitting there.
00:29:52
>> He's He's He's probably just like He smoked a cigarette or a cigar. He's got something cigar for sure.
00:29:58
>> Yeah. He's got a cigar. He's telling this story while his grandchildren sit there and are like, "Grandpa Tom, you're
00:30:03
crazy. >> Grandpa Tom, this is >> we got to get you in a home, Grandpa Tom." And then he's going to go, "Oh,
00:30:06
yeah. >> Oh, yeah." Yeah. And he pulls them out of his pocket >> is right behind him in the seat and he
00:30:11
just produces that handcuff and he glink jingle jingles them >> and it makes sense because it's
00:30:17
literally like half a handcuff >> and it's of the time. >> So, >> and everybody goes grandpa Tom.
00:30:24
>> Moral of the story, >> coolest. >> Don't distrust your grandpa Tom. >> Coolest [ __ ] Grandpa Tom ever.
00:30:31
>> And also guarantee they won that baseball game. >> Oh, hell yeah. That adrenaline he had,
00:30:36
>> that's the thing. that that like confidence he was bestowed. >> That's a winning game night.
00:30:42
>> Come on. He just made some new friends. >> Yeah. >> Like he's feeling good. >> What a wild day for him.
00:30:46
>> What a wild >> He never woke up that morning and could have imagined. >> That's people helping each other right
00:30:51
there. That's That's humanity right there. >> Yeah. That's game scene games. >> It's somebody saying, "You got a big
00:30:58
game? I'll get you to that big game." And him saying, "You know what? You scratch my back, I scratch yours.
00:31:02
>> Let me get that hand for you. Can I keep it though?" Oh, and he's like, "Hell
00:31:05
yeah, cuz you got it off." >> It's camaraderie. >> Wow. Quidd proquo. >> Quidd proquo.
00:31:11
I'm literally dying. >> I love it. >> So, Bill, Emily, and Patty were able to successfully evade the police in that
00:31:18
moment. But what they didn't realize was that when they left the Volkswagen behind at Mel's Sporting Goods, or I
00:31:24
don't even know where it was at this point, like in a random intersection, they inadvertently left a parking ticket
00:31:30
on the dashboard. >> Oh, guys. So that led authorities straight to their safe house, the brand
00:31:35
new one in South Central LA. >> So that night, a hoorde of more than 500 FBI agents and local police descended on
00:31:44
the home. >> That's a lot of FBI agents. >> It might be the most. >> Yeah, >> that's a that's a bushel of of FBI
00:31:51
agents >> and a pec. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So after announcing their presence and demanding that everybody inside come
00:31:57
out, they got no response. So, they quickly fired tear gas canisters into the house in an attempt to draw
00:32:03
everybody out. >> Yikes. >> But by that time, the suspects in the shooting at Mel Sporting Goods had been
00:32:08
identified. And investigators had every reason to believe that the rest of the SLA would be inside, too. But what they
00:32:14
didn't know was that Patty, Bill, and Emily were holed up in a motel room in Anaheim, about a mile from Disneyland,
00:32:20
which is insane. >> Terrifying. and anticipating that police would be coming for them at the safe
00:32:26
house because of what happened. The other SLA members had fled into the neighborhood carrying large numbers of
00:32:32
weapons and duffel bags in the back of their own van. >> Damn. >> Yeah. They're bad at running errands, but
00:32:38
they're good at keeping others updated. >> Yeah, they are. They're good at communication.
00:32:42
>> Sort of >> a little bit. >> So, that night, DeFreeze and the others drove around for hours just trying to
00:32:47
come up with a plan because everything had gone to [ __ ] hell. >> Oh, they're probably so mad. Yeah, they
00:32:52
were probably pissed. All the stress and anxiety seemed to have sapped any enthusiasm that they had once had, but
00:32:57
they sported spotted a porch light on at one of the houses. So, Deree Defree stopped the van and the group approached
00:33:04
the house and knocked on the front door. The door was opened by a middle-aged black woman and behind her were her
00:33:10
boyfriend and their teenage daughter. Defreeze introduced himself and the other SLA members and he explained that
00:33:17
they needed a place to hide out until the police had left the area. >> Wow. He's just He came with the truth.
00:33:22
>> He really did. >> He said, "I don't even have a story." >> He said, "This is who we are. This is
00:33:26
what has happened, and please, >> can we hide here?" >> So, since Patty's kidnapping, the SLA
00:33:31
and their message of a militant black revolution had been all over the news. So, it was pretty likely that the
00:33:37
occupants of the house knew who they were. >> Yeah. >> And what they were all about. But still,
00:33:41
the woman at the door was like, "I don't know. >> I do have a teenage child." >> Yeah. And like there were other kids in
00:33:47
the house, too. But defreeze held up a $100 bill in exchange for the inconvenience
00:33:52
and that's when they were all let inside. >> Okay. >> Which, like, you know, hard times.
00:33:57
>> Yeah. >> So, the homeowner knew who she was letting into her house at that point,
00:34:00
but she was still surprised when the group started unloading one bag after another of just guns and ammunition.
00:34:06
>> Well, cuz you can't really conceive of that. >> Even if you know who you're dealing
00:34:10
with, conceiving of that is a whole different level. >> Agreed. So all through the night and
00:34:14
into the next morning, Defreeze and the others were just taking turns watching out the window as the LAPD patrolled
00:34:20
around the neighborhood in very large numbers. At one point, one person in the home showed Defrieza spot the alley
00:34:27
where he could hide their van from sight. And it seemed that they found a pretty good place to lie low until they
00:34:32
could make their escape. But unfortunately, the spot where they stashed the van was not as hidden as
00:34:37
they had expected. And that morning, two officers on patrol spotted the vehicle and radioed for backup. And at that
00:34:44
point, the entire mass of law enforcement that had shown up at the safe house was immediately called back
00:34:50
to the area. >> Well, and it's like this is that's where things get get crazy. It's like you will
00:34:56
become hostages. >> Exactly. >> And you have to know that. >> Exactly. >> Like they're running from the police.
00:35:01
The police show up, you're the hostages. >> Right. >> That's bad. >> That's scary.
00:35:04
>> Like that's really bad. >> Yeah. It's not worth the $100 because you might not be able to spend that if
00:35:09
you become a hostage. >> So by late morning, >> this is so interesting. The house
00:35:14
started to just fill with curious friends and neighbors >> who were they were all interested in
00:35:20
meeting the members of the infamous SLA. >> I mean, okay. >> Yeah. I mean, I got I'd be curious. I
00:35:26
don't know if I'd go over, but I'd be like, "What's going on over there?" >> Whatever blows your skirt up, you know?
00:35:30
>> Yeah. Live your life. >> Yeah. Any other time Defreeze would have welcomed the opportunity to get on his
00:35:34
soap box and preach all about his, you know, re revolutionary rhetoric, but it was clear that the horde of detectives,
00:35:41
FBI agents, and SWAT members were closing in on the house. >> So he was like, "Yeah, we're going to be
00:35:47
found eventually." So he gave one of the men in the house $500 and asked the guy
00:35:52
to go get them a car. And that all went down while others started making molotov
00:35:57
cocktails in the kitchen and just like prepared for the inevitable. >> Yeah, that's not good. You don't want
00:36:02
the battle to be from your home. >> One thing about me is that I don't like other people cooking in my kitchen.
00:36:10
>> No, I also don't like that. >> Especially would hate it if they were cooking Molotov cocktails.
00:36:15
>> That would piss me off. >> I would love that. >> Yeah. No. Now, I don't really know if
00:36:19
like the occupants in the house just didn't understand the seriousness of the situation when it started or if the
00:36:24
obvious and very present danger just they felt didn't affect them. But whatever the case, onlookers just
00:36:30
continued peppering the group with questions and watched as they readied their arsenal.
00:36:36
It's like a movie. >> This is a wild case of cognitive dissonance. >> Like I'm I'm shocked by this.
00:36:42
>> It is. It was only when Defree started instructing people to get down and away
00:36:46
from the windows if they didn't want to die. >> That'll do it. >> That the assembled crowd started to
00:36:51
disperse and all fleet out the back door. >> That's when people are like, "Wait a
00:36:54
second." >> They were like, "Oh, shit's getting real." It was so cool to meet you.
00:36:57
Thanks for answering our questions. >> By that afternoon, the homeowner's mother had heard about what was
00:37:02
happening in the house. and she went over because one thing about a mom is that they will confront a dictator, a
00:37:08
cult leader or you know a terrorist organization leader face to face >> for especially for their kids. You're
00:37:14
just not >> that's the thing kids and grandkids. She said I'm I'm over here. So she went up
00:37:18
to Donald and was like what are you doing? This is incredibly dangerous and you're disrupting our community. Good
00:37:24
for her. And he tried to calm her down by telling her about his vision for black revolution but she was like yeah I
00:37:30
don't want any part of that. and she grabbed the younger children and dragged them out of the house. Good for her.
00:37:36
That's a mama. >> That's a mama and a grandmama. >> That's a grandmama. A mama. That's a
00:37:40
That's a woman right there. >> That's the empress. >> That's the empress. >> That's the empress.
00:37:45
>> That's my girl right there. >> Same. >> I love her. >> Her forever. >> So, it was around 4:00 that the house
00:37:51
really started to clear out. And what Defreeze and the others didn't know was that the woman hadn't just taken the
00:37:56
children out of the house. She had also gone directly to one of the patrols in the neighborhood and gave them the exact
00:38:02
address where they could find the five SLA members in her daughter's house. >> That's why she got those young children
00:38:07
out of the house cuz she was like, "Go get them." >> Yeah, exactly. She also was probably
00:38:11
like, "Damn, like what is my daughter thinking?" More than that though, she also informed them that they were
00:38:15
heavily armed with guns and makeshift explosives. So that way the SWAT team knew exactly what they were walking
00:38:21
into. >> Good for her. >> She's like the realest one. >> Yeah, she really is. So within minutes,
00:38:25
a mass of 500 law enforcement officers descended on this tiny house, announcing their presence and demanding that to
00:38:32
freeze and the others just come out. If they didn't resist, the police said nobody would be hurt and the situation
00:38:38
could just be resolved peacefully. Obviously, that wasn't going to happen, though.
00:38:42
>> Yeah. >> From his position behind one of the SWAT vehicles, Sergeant Alp, I think it's
00:38:46
Priscado, he could distinctly hear DeFree shout, "We are not going to surrender. We are going to fight to the
00:38:52
death." Whoa. At that same time, they could see furniture in the house being moved to obscure sight lines, so they
00:38:58
knew they were something. >> An hour passed. There was no response, and Priscado made another attempt to
00:39:06
draw the SLA members outside. >> And at that point, there was a few remaining occupants still, but they
00:39:11
emerged from the front door and were taken into custody. >> I'm surprised. >> I know. Within the next 10 minutes,
00:39:17
Priscado and the members of the SWAT made a SWAT team made 18 additional attempts to get to Freeze and the others
00:39:24
to surrender, but they all went unanswered. They really tried to get them out of here without
00:39:29
>> without chaos. >> Without chaos and like disrupting an entire neighborhood, >> but when five more minutes passed
00:39:35
without a single sign from the SLA, Versado gave the order to fire tear gas canisters through the window and all
00:39:41
hell broke loose. For more than an hour, the SLA and the LAPD traded fire, expending what was to
00:39:50
that point the most rounds fired in a single incident in USA history. >> Holy [ __ ]
00:39:56
>> That's five people inside. That's it. >> That's crazy. >> It's just five SLA members.
00:40:02
>> Damn. >> One bystander told a reporter from the San Francisco Examiner it was just like
00:40:07
another Vietnam. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Periodically, they would fire additional tear gas canisters into the
00:40:14
house, but it apparently did nothing to drive to freeze and the remaining members out.
00:40:19
>> So, at about 6:30 p.m., LAPD officers set fire to the house with gas canisters.
00:40:25
>> Wow. >> And the house quickly erupted in massive flames, which is exactly why you don't
00:40:31
let people like this into your house. >> Obviously, she didn't know that this was
00:40:35
going to happen, but >> but this is a good lesson. >> It's a good lesson. From inside, agents
00:40:39
could hear the sound of ammunition exploding because remember they have [ __ ] tons of ammunition.
00:40:43
>> Yep. >> And DeFreeze and the others still continued to shoot from shattered windows, making no attempt to flee.
00:40:51
>> That's [ __ ] up. >> It's insane. >> That's crazy. >> One sergeant said it was so bad it was
00:40:56
impossible that anyone in there could still be alive. >> Wow. >> Within a few minutes though, the hail of
00:41:01
bullets from inside the house finally came to an end, and the house just continued to burn and eventually
00:41:06
collapsed in on itself. Wow. And it was only then that the last remaining civilian, Christine Johnson, emerged
00:41:14
from the house. She had been inside and so drunk that she slept through the entire fight.
00:41:22
Christine >> Christine slept through an entire standoff between the LAPD and the SLA
00:41:30
where remember the most >> the most rounds fired in a single incident in United States history
00:41:38
Christine slept through. She's another one who tells that story in the nursing home and they say, "Okay, Grandma, let's
00:41:43
get you back inside." >> Okay, Grandma Chris. Okay, Grandma Chrissy. >> She says, "You want another drink?" It
00:41:49
was only when they lit the house on fire. >> Yeah. >> I'm justine >> without This is a wild story.
00:41:58
>> Christine's a legend. >> Christine is a legend. >> Who are you? >> Christine never Christine never slept
00:42:05
peacefully again. I don't I don't believe. So anyway, back. >> Who partied with Christine the night
00:42:12
before? Raise come forward. >> I don't think they could because I think they all died.
00:42:17
>> Tell me what happened. I don't think anyone >> wow >> lived partying that hard with Christine
00:42:22
>> beyond >> the capabilities of understanding this >> wild we we've never known a sleep so
00:42:28
deep >> we we've never we have never >> we've never known such a restorative sleep
00:42:36
>> do you know what may we never >> May may that sleep never find me >> may I say
00:42:45
>> without I'm literally crying So firefighters were held back from extinguishing the blaze for hours for
00:42:52
fear that there still might be live explosives inside or other dangers in the rubble.
00:42:57
>> So when they were finally able to put out the fire and sift through the wreckage, they found the charred remains
00:43:02
of Donald Dreeze, Willie Wolf, Patricia Saltzik, Camila Hall, and an Angela Atwood and Nancy Ling.
00:43:10
>> Damn. >> Yeah. Sorry, there was six. I said before that there was five members. Six.
00:43:16
In Anaheim, Bill, Emily, and Patty were watching the news coverage of the siege on the TV in their hotel room. They had
00:43:23
been relieved when they saw the earlier coverage of the failed raid on the empty
00:43:27
safe house, but obviously that relief turned to horror when the footage of a second raid on the Johnson House
00:43:32
appeared in the news. Bill insisted that they should go back to South Central and
00:43:36
fight alongside everybody. But Emily was like, "No, we can't do that. Like, obviously,
00:43:42
>> this is done at this point. and she said, "Defreeze would want us to carry on the mission of the SLA on our own."
00:43:50
But then when the house erupted into flames, all three of them just broke down into tears. Bill thought that it
00:43:56
was his fault since he had stolen the bandelier earlier. >> Since they were so bad at errands
00:44:01
>> since they he thought he thought it was his fault for being so bad at errands.
00:44:04
>> He said, "I'm the worst at errands." >> I mean, ultimately, had he not done that, I mean, he none of this would have
00:44:10
>> One thing I can say, he is the worst at errands. >> Yeah. Uh but overwhelmed by how fast and
00:44:15
horribly everything had escalated, Patty just ran to the bathroom and locked herself inside and like sobbed for a
00:44:21
while. >> And in that moment, they were the only three people who knew the answer to the
00:44:26
question on everybody's mind, though. Would investigators find Patty Hurst's body among the ashes and rubble in the
00:44:32
house? >> The answer is no. >> The answer is nay. >> But only three people knew that, and
00:44:37
Patty was one of them. >> Yeah. So, when she managed to compose herself, Patty was more enraged and
00:44:43
committed to the cause than she had ever been. >> Oh, >> yeah. I bet you didn't see that coming.
00:44:48
>> I didn't Yeah. I didn't know that was going to be the answer. >> She insisted that they needed to go back
00:44:52
to LA and do a quote search and destroy mission on the cops. >> I don't know. I I mean, you just saw
00:45:00
>> how that >> how that all ended. >> Yeah. >> I feel like it's time to just be like,
00:45:05
you know what? That was a fun part of my life. Let's move on. >> Fun question. You know, that was a that
00:45:10
was a part of my life. >> That was a part of my life. >> Yeah. But in just over a hundred days,
00:45:14
she had transformed from a privileged AIS and a college student to a kidnap victim and now finally a hardcore
00:45:22
revolutionary. But the fact remained that aside from firing blindly into Mel's sporting goods
00:45:28
and wielding a gun at the bank, she obviously knew nothing about revolution. >> No, she's just being reckless. Yeah,
00:45:36
she's being super reckless and watching her friends die in that housefire did seem like it was the final step in her
00:45:42
transformation, though she at that moment fully intended to leave her past behind for good and she wanted to fully
00:45:49
commit to the cause of revolution, whatever that meant. Now, fortunately, Bill and Emily Harris were able to talk
00:45:55
her down and she quickly abandoned her demands that they go get revenge on the LAPD. Smart.
00:46:00
>> They were like, "That's not going to work out. I think we've done enough today.
00:46:03
>> That will end." Yeah. They said today was a very revolutionary day that >> it was very much.
00:46:08
>> So instead they decided to send another communication to the press. This time in
00:46:12
defense of their friends who were obviously now being maligned in the papers. >> More than that though the consensus
00:46:17
among law enforcement seemed to be that now that DeFreeze and the others were dead and Patty was not among them maybe
00:46:23
the entire ordeal had come to an end. An FBI spokesperson told the press nothing
00:46:28
has been confirmed either way but the family really didn't expect it to end this way. Now, despite what was said
00:46:34
about them in the press, the deaths of the six SLA members weren't met with universal satisfaction. In activist
00:46:40
circles and more radical groups, Donald Def and the others kind of became like martyrs for everybody else's cause.
00:46:47
>> I can see that coming. >> Yeah. On June 2nd, a group of young activists in Berkeley had they actually
00:46:52
had a rally in support of the SLA. >> Whoa. which like remember before I was saying I think in part one obviously
00:46:59
there was tons of like radicalized groups happening at this point in time and everybody was you know fighting for
00:47:05
their own cause and usually it was like sitins and things peaceful things >> and people kind of looked down on the
00:47:11
SLA for being a violent group now they're kind of supporting >> now they're having rallies in their name
00:47:16
>> exactly so things had shifted >> and this event confirmed for the three remaining SLA members that they
00:47:22
definitely needed to carry on the cause Yeah, >> obviously people are into it. >> So once they made it back to Los
00:47:29
Angeles, they immediately reached out to some of those members kind of on the fringes. Kathy Sallaya, Mike Borton, and
00:47:36
a few other activists that they had met before. And they started recruiting new members to join the mission.
00:47:41
>> Oh, damn. >> Yeah. So they're back and better than ever. >> They're back in business.
00:47:44
>> A few days later on June 7th, they they delivered their next recording to the
00:47:48
press where they kind of like eulogized their friends and announced their renewed commitment to the cause.
00:47:55
on recording. It's Patty's voice and she can be heard saying, "Greetings to the people. This is Tanya. I want to talk
00:48:01
about the way I knew our six murdered comrades because the fascist pig media have of course been painting a typically
00:48:07
distorted pictures a picture of these beautiful sisters and brothers." Chinkke Defreeze, they all had they all called
00:48:14
each other different names. Okay, so Donald Dere was known as [ __ ] was in a race with time believing that every
00:48:19
minute must be another step forward in the fight to save the children. Galina, who was Atwood, was beautiful. She
00:48:26
taught me how to fight the enemy within through her constant struggle with bourgeoa conditioning. I too have the
00:48:32
same struggle. Gabby, who was Hall, crouched low with her ass to the ground. She practiced until her shotgun was an
00:48:39
extension of her right and left arms. >> Zoya, >> that was beautiful. >> It was beautiful. Zoya, who was uh
00:48:45
Saltick, was a female gorilla. Perfect love and perfect hate reflected in stone cold eyes.
00:48:53
Fahiza, I think Ling, taught me to shoot first and make sure the pig is dead before splitting. She was wise and bad.
00:49:01
Kujo, who was Willie Wolf, was the gentlest, most beautiful man I've ever known. He taught me truth as he learned
00:49:07
it from the beautiful brothers in California's concentration camps, which were prison, not concentration camps.
00:49:14
>> Neither Kujo or I had ever loved an individual the way we loved each other. Our relationship's foundation was our
00:49:20
commitment to the struggle and our love for the people. I died in that fire on 54th Street, but out of the ashes I was
00:49:26
reborn. I know what I have to do. >> Okay, Patty. All you can really say to that is okay,
00:49:34
Patty. >> That's really all you can say to that. >> The message went on to say that with
00:49:40
their new formation, quote, "The Malcolm X combat unit of the Simanese Liberation
00:49:45
Army proudly picks up the banner of the New World Liberation Front." >> Whoa. So the New World Liberation Front
00:49:51
was kind of like an overarching group of these smaller >> revolutionary radicalized groups.
00:49:59
Exactly. So in the months that followed the New World Liberation Front, that name started getting used more and more
00:50:05
in the press. And it was usually used in association with these radical acts of violence around the country. And a lot
00:50:11
of times it was used even if the perpetrators weren't necessarily involved in that specific movement.
00:50:17
>> Yeah. It's just under one umbrella now. It's like a trigger word in the media.
00:50:20
>> So Donald Dere had managed to keep his small paramilitary army a cohesive group
00:50:25
who had a certain set of goals in common even if the message and the means of getting there was vague and very
00:50:30
unorganized as we saw. >> Yeah. >> But in the wake of his death and the decision to adopt the large larger
00:50:36
banner of the the NWLF, things were about to get a whole lot worse than anybody could have ever
00:50:43
anticipated. >> Oh yeah. When the when the cult leader dies >> Yeah. Struggle ensues
00:50:48
>> when the cult leader dies and a new person tries to take over and you have this new overarching
00:50:54
>> everything becomes destabilized and it all starts to crumble. >> Yeah. And it's going to and that's what
00:51:00
we're going to talk about in part four. >> This part was my favorite part. >> This is my favorite part too.
00:51:05
>> Um cuz it was wild. >> It was absolutely insane. >> The wildest day of errands I've ever
00:51:12
heard of. >> They were so bad at running errands. >> So bad. Part four gets like way more.
00:51:18
That's the other thing I really wanted to separate this part and part four because part four gets really serious
00:51:22
with what happens. And obviously this is serious. Like six people died. >> Yeah, of course.
00:51:27
>> But obviously >> but there's like silliness leading up to it. >> Exactly. >> You know, cuz nobody dies in the in the
00:51:32
whole thing leading up to it. We have Grandpa Tom. >> Grandpa Tom. We have Grandma Chrissy.
00:51:36
>> We have Grandma Chrissy. >> Maybe they found each other. >> Maybe they did. >> They had different vibes though.
00:51:40
>> They did. They did have a little bit >> little bit of different vibes. But yeah,
00:51:44
we covered a lot of business and we covered a lot of >> shenanigans. >> Shenanigans. So with that being said, we
00:51:50
hope you keep listening >> and we hope you >> keep it weird, but not so weird that we don't have you
00:51:56
back for part four. >> We love Sirius. >> I love Sirius so much. It's so fun. [Music]
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