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okay you guys went ham sandwich and ordered so many lunar dials in the in the pre-sale there like I was like oh my
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God you became entire ham hogies is what you were what's a ham hogy what is that isn't it like a sub
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but somewhere else they call him hogies oh a a a sub is a hogy yeah I thought I was going to say a hub is a
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SOI well I know all I know is that the [ __ ] lunar dial is going to be available on the W shop starting August
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1st www that's 3 ws. wondery shop.com and that's starting August 1st but if you're not one for the internet that's
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fine cuz you can go out into the world this is my favorite part and you can go to some of my [ __ ] favorite places
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hell yeah Target Target Barnes and& Noble Barnes & Noble and Amazon starting August 1st and you can buy it there baby
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play the game play it play it so hard go get it Lun you bunch of hogies starting in
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August August hey weirdos I'm Elina I'm Ash and this is [Music] morbid [Music] look at you following my
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leader that's me leader that's me you're a leader I'm a follower no I'm a leader
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you're a leader I'm a literally not at all actually actually like I feel like we're both leaders I I would like to
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think that no I'm just like balling in my own Court absolutely as you should yeah you
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know yeah don't ball in other people's courts literally don't ball in other people's courts get out of get on your
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own Court guys I this has nothing to do with what we were just talking about right now but we we didn't have a plan
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going into this for like the small talk but I think I just dropped some good wisdom on you I think you did cuz
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usually we have like some points we want to hit and then we just let it go from there we had nothing when we went into
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this so we're just I'm flying off the seat on my pants but I I thought about it and uh Halloween stuff is out right
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now Halloween and I got to tell you we're almost in August and I feel like my soul
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is coming alive aw spooky season is upon us actually the other night I went outside like probably I don't know like8
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or n o00 and I smelled the air and I said to myself that smelled a little bit like
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full and I said that to Drew and he just looked at me like what the [ __ ] with you
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it's July I was like not where I'm from m not in my soul not in this court not in my heart no it it's not July in my
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heart although I'm getting a little bit like not really but I'm getting like kind of sad cuz I gardened for the first
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time this year like you saw my garden the other day did it's pretty bad she's [ __ ] thriving she is I feel like I'm
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going to be a little so sad when I can't Garden anymore I I don't feel that way but I will feel bad for you yeah you
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know but I'll empathize with you well I can I can still Gard what I'm sorry I was correcting my own I was like I won't
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empathize I'll sympathize I will not empathize but I will sympathize I'll give you a little syp syp yeah um no I
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think obviously you can still Garden in the fall but then like when the winter hits I'll be so happy during the
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holidays but then I'll just be like my [Music] garden I mean I'm looking forward to
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that song that you're going to create so to sing it to you when I come in that single that you're going to drop in the
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winter that's what I'm excited about it's called ball in your own court but you know what else is happening right
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now um Pub Day pub Day pub day it's paperback Pub day for the Butcher and The Ren and you can go get it anywhere
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you get books and also it has a sneak peek of the sequel that's right it has a [ __ ] chapter from the sequel yeah
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[ __ ] so you can get started before anybody else reading the sequel except me get on it I read it get on it not the
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whole sequel but I did read a lot of chunks this [ __ ] is a scary girl I what did I say to you
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and I said put that on a quote on the of it why didn't we write it down I think I
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said oh I said so I said being in her inner orbit truly scares me dot dot dot and she's my sister yeah and I thought
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that was a great quote it should be on the book jacket put it was something like that I think it was a little bit
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better to be Hest I like it but either way it's fun to have another Pub Day pub days are fun you guys have been [ __ ]
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amazing buying the book and buying the paperback and just giving me all kinds of like support and just like support
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hurah you know and I appreciate huras I feel the hurras like they really give it
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to and I I love you guys for that H raah you know huras [ __ ] yeah so go get that paper book paper book Pap paper
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book back you know paper back Book E if you feel get that as well and guess what
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by the time you listen to this Alina will have gone into targets across um not the whole state or even
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half of it she's going to go into Target though and she's going to sign some books if you're lucky enough to go into
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a Target that Ela sign the book in you could buy that sign book you could have that book it works like that that's what
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happened to me I've never gone and bought a book that like the author signed so I feel like that's a special
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moment oh I'd be excited for authors that I love but it's wild to me that people feel that way about my signature
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I appreciate say you're this is a crazy sentence you're an author that people love yeah that still hasn't sunk in
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there still has not sunk in in there I have just just to end our little uh chat in the beginning so we can get to the
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case no never end it never end end our keep going no I was just gonna say guys go read The Troop by Nick Cutter it's a
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really talk about that a lot it's a great book I highly recommend it it's pretty brutal so didn't even Stephen
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King say something about it Stephen King said it was scared it scared the hell out of him so that's what drew me to it
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I thought he was Nick Cutter is a great writer I thought it was phenomenal I'm still chugging my way down the
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more so um I feel like we're going to be years later you're going to be like I'm
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almost done with that yeah I I'm trying to start reading for leisure again cuz we read a lot for work obviously so I'm
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trying to read for leisure again but it's not really it's not really working out for me it's tough to to shoehorn it
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in there sometimes in the schedule but it's important and it feels great it does words mind and books and smells of
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them but yeah are you ready to start talking about the rotten meat smell again that was going down in the SML
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house I am always ready to talk about the rotten meat smell that's going down in the SML household let's go it's
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really the only way I could transition to this new conversation that we're about to have yeah there's no real segue
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I'm pretty sure we're leaving most of the rotten meat smell in part one but but let's recap there we go yeah
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Transitions and sigo there you go who says SEO it's and we drink go listen to them we say that all the time but like
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do it go listen listen listen listen um I lost my train of thought but yeah so in part one we were talking about the
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smurl family and I think in the beginning I was telling you guys how like this article dropped in this
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[ __ ] newspaper and everybody was like holy [ __ ] this family's really going through it and then I told you about
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some of the things that happened we had a small house fire as I was telling you about a fire it got Sinister it got
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Sinister and dark sided darkid so go listen to part one um what if I just did the whole story in that accent I think
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some people would stick around probably some people couple few the real ones would stick around the real ones the
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OG's um but yeah so we had a small house fire of our own and then when I left you
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guys off in part one um everybody was like especially Janet SML was like I really need to talk to everybody about
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this and everybody was like I think you're cuckoo nuts bananas yeah I don't know why I said banana like that but I
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did bananas bananas kind of like a minion um and then Ed and Lorraine stepped on the scene as they do as they
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as they do they are known to do so as soon as Ed and Lorraine showed up and you know it was clear to the smurls that
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they believed in whatever was going on in the house that was a huge sigh of relief for them because that is
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something they provide a huge sigh of relief they provide unwavering support do you speak from
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personal experience I just feel like if you're going to if you're going to have something like this happening to you Ed
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and Lorraine are going to come in and they're going to go we believe you they're going to say breathe easy baby
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like no no one else will probably do that or some people won't but like Ed L rain are going to come in and they're
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going to be like we believe you so they at least give you that and sometimes at the very least they're going to bring
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their friend Rosemary who also believes in you yeah and I I mean it's not real if Rosemary doesn't believe it so as
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soon as she comes in I'm like it's real only with her baby though yeah absolutely yeah and then but like I said
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they were there was years and years of like slammed doors in their faces so they were like okay wow like cool that
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you you're not doubting us yeah but at the same time the SML started noticing that having paranormal investigators in
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the house was actually pissing off The Vibes a lot more and things started to seem like they were getting worse oh no
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oh my God they were getting worse throw me out a window at this very moment I won't do that cuz I love you but that
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was pretty rough it was pretty rough I also didn't write that so I don't know why I said that no sometimes it just
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happens I feel that like I have to go shower or something a lot of times my mouth will say something in a way that
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I'm like I didn't intend to say that at all the other day actually I literally just came up here and I started to talk
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and I was like Ken confirm and I was like that's not what I was trying to say it's
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accurate yeah I used to do that when I waitress too I would just walk up to tables and not be able to talk I love
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that and they were like hey girl hey girl but anyway the most disturbing event that the smurls went through was
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on June 21st 1986 after the Warren had already started their investigation they had eaten dinner together as a family
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watched a little movie they were having a fam bam night seemingly with no disturbances they put the kids to bed
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with no issues they went up to bed themselves they went to sleep it was great great night but a few hours later
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after everyone else had fallen asleep Jack Daddyo there Jack Jack the dad woke up out of a deep deep sleep and he said
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he woke up with what felt like a violent jolt oh he said at first I didn't see anything at all I just felt this
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tremendous sort of panic I wasn't sure if I was having a nightmare or not and like so this is wild this next part
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and I actually can't believe that I personally have to deliver this to you oh but it's part of the story and my
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journalistic um truth is driving me forward it is so he essentially Mikey is preparing Mikey's SE Mikey knows what's
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next because Mikey and Dave SP spoke about this oh no so Jack woke up to a ghost straddling him okay and he said
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that the figure was mostly human but the woman also looked like she had some sort
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of scales like on her skin almost like a snake and her skin he said was almost like a translucent white but like with
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the scales of course and he told author Robert Curran who I talked about in the first part she had long white scraggly
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hair and her eyes were all red and the inside of her mouth and her gums were green some of her teeth were missing but
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those she had were very long and vampir likee she's is she a succubus is that what's Happening Here mhm oh he claimed
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that the woman had some sort of hold over him that was like literally paralyzing him almost like sleep
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paralysis but he was not sleeping o and he realized what was happening and when he did he just froze in Terror he said
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after the woman had I guess I would say sexually assaulted him cuz he he was he was not consenting to this she looked
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down at him menacingly and quote smiled showing those incredible teeth so she like literally took advantage of him and
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like she raped him holy [ __ ] that according to him that's what happened scaly white translucent woman with sharp
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spiny sum teeth and red eyes and scgly hair and then she smiled afterwards and then later he described himself as being
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sore and he said like like really sore like from like he had been assaulted yes exactly and he said that's how he knew
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that cuz when it happened he woke up the next morning after somehow falling asleep and was like there's no [ __ ]
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way that happened but then he was like my house is [ __ ] I think that happened and now I'm sore like I'm feeling the
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aftermath I've been assaulted that's what's always shocking to me in these cases is when they're like and then I
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just fell asleep and then I woke up the next day and I'm like you fell asleep you just fell asleep I'd be like up and
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Adam we're going to like the neighbor's house yeah we got to get out of here get
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the [ __ ] out of there but then I think about all the times I've had sleep paralysis and I just fall back to sleep
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after that but it's never been on that level did you just see like a creepy guy in the corner with a hat on I've never
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interacted with my sleep paralysis demon like one-onone no no even like when I have like a a nightmare that I know I
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was sleeping and it's not any kind of sleep paralysis I have a hard time going back to sleep and sometimes I'm like
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maybe I should go to the neighbor's house I should just maybe it's not safe here yeah it wasn't safe there um if you
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do read Robert K's book which I'll link in the show notes and I mentioned it in part one too um he goes a lot more into
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that specific instance kind of just wanted to yeah it's it's very dark so you get
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the details in the book yes go read the book for sure so after weeks of again increasingly aggressive attacks on the
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SML house it was clear to quite literally everyone involved that they needed the help of the church if they
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were going to get rid of this INF infestation in the home yeah but the problem was that while the Catholic
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dases was sympathetic and the local Parish priests offered to come bless the house they declined a request for say it
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with me and exorcism yes since they ran into a bit of another closed door there the smls and they kind of felt like they
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were out of options Jack and Janet that's when they started thinking about going public with the story basically
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hoping that someone would hear about them and offer some kind of solution and Jack also hoped that once they went
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public the church would kind of be shamed into helping yeah there's a bit of speculation about more than one
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timeline in this case I kind of talked about that a bit in part one people question the timeline of the haunt
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itself but they also argue over who was the first person to take the story public in this scenario of people okay
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in their published account of the investigation of the haunting of the SML house the Haunted one family's nightmare
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Ed Warren claimed that the idea to go public with this family story was solely Jack and Janet's decision he said luren
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and I believed that Janet and Jack's sudden desire to find a public forum offered one very good possibility that
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the Scranton dicese would have to recognize at last that something was going on in West Pittston and they had
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to take and they had yet to take seriously so basically he was like he agreed with Jack's sentiment of like
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yeah the church is ignoring this and if we go public with this they're going to realize holy [ __ ] something really is
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going on and we should have helped yeah absolutely but others who became involved in the case a little while
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later though remember remember things a little differently so Paul CTS who owns and wrote a piece in the skeptical
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Inquirer said indeed it was apparently at the be behest of the Warren that the smurl family first released their story
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to the Press about the ghostly manifestations so Ed Warren is being like no no no no no that was fully their
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decision Jack and Janet wanted to do this to pressure the church but Paul Curts is being like no no no no no Ed
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and Lorraine put pressure on Jack and Janet public I wonder what happened me too I wonder where the truth lies
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somewhere in the middle I'm sure what did they say Yours Mine and yeah Yours Mine and the truth yeah that's what it
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is right yeah so whoever went to the Press aside when the Associated Press story about the sml's haunted house
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starting hitting started hitting the newspapers and that was on August 18th 1986 it kicked off a huge interest in
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what they were calling the strange going on in the SML house all right the strange going on going I think it was
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actually just going on sorry that's okay just like making everything play real we
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can make it crazy we can go crazy but the media in and around Pennsylvania they were going wild and everybody
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wanted to be reporting with the latest update like each little Department of reporters okay so the next day there was
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a bunch of follow-up articles that appeared in local papers and they were getting quotes from Jack and Janet in
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one instance Janet told a reporter Steve Corbett for some reason the Devil Wants
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us they the demons are making us pay for something we know nothing about the punishment has to
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stop and I was like okay Janet okay Janet okay Janet what what they're making you pay for something and you
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don't know anything about it that's the thing I'm like I don't know I feel like this is just
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demons thing I feel like they don't need a specific reason like they don't have a
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Vendetta no I don't think they're into lessons you live here yeah demons aren't necessarily like the Ghost of Christmas
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Past trying to be like hey you should probably be more generous yeah I think they're just like let's [ __ ] [ __ ] up I
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think demons are like the strangers at the end of the strangers and they say because you were home I think that's it
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home I [ __ ] love that I don't think there's a reason I think it's the scary no motivation answer at the end of the
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horror movie where you go [ __ ] you talking about scream yeah yeah scarier if there's no motive scarier when
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there's no motive scarier that's why demons are terrified that's why demons are demons that's what they do but she
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went on just like they had planned to to specifically name the Catholic dicese when she was doing her interviews
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obviously putting the pressure on so she said to the same reporter we are a haunted family who desperately needs the
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power of the Catholic Church to help Purge the evil they are I just want to tell you
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that that light just came on oh I don't like that what's happening every time we
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talk about this I don't know cuz little NightLight just popped on next to me we were talking earlier about something top
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secret and the lights it was just like a vision that we had but the lights started flickering on and off and it was
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really strange yeah as soon like you were just saying that and I happened to look out of the corner of my eye at it
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and it popped on as I looked at it strange going on yeah this we're we're a haunted family yeah but now that Janet
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had named the church specifically they started the church started getting contacted by reporters so they had to
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say something yeah so a spokesperson for the Catholic dicese of Scranton Granton told reporters the matter is
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under investigation the church takes the reports of demons very seriously however
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a valid case of demonic possession is extremely rare Ash just had a demonic possession
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he just had a demonic possession as I was reading that I was like I am sneezing nice I mean I like that they're
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being real about it they're like it's pretty [ __ ] rare it's rare and they're like we're taking seriously
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we're not saying it doesn't happen we're just saying it's like it's rare not everybody gets a demonic possession like
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the swirls are not cool enough for a demonic possession yeah they're like the the Brendan over there they're cool
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enough yours is a common haunting it's just but the really rare ones there's only a few of them cute of you to think
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you're so haunted cute of you to think you're so so but now that the case was getting
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more and more attention Ed and Lorraine were getting interviews with the Press too of course Ed Warren he would always
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stand by Jack and J uh Janet excuse me during their uh interviews too and Ed told reporters the smurls are truly a
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family coming under visual attack the ghost devil demon whatever you want to call it is in that home o and he pointed
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to the 1973 Exorcist like the movie and said he said it was only evidence that added credibility to the smurl story he
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said it was based on a true case uh of history of a boy from Mount rer Washington back in 1949 I was there but
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as a Young Man only in my 20s nobody paid much attention to me yeah no one pays attention to a young man in his 20s
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I was like what Ed what are you trying to say there he's like he's like proof of The Exorcist fun fact I was in Mount
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rer yeah but nobody cared about me he's like yeah you know I was just a young man in his 20s talking about exorcisms
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and you know how they fly under the radar it's like I don't know I feel like you're talking about two things that are
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simply not connected and trying to make some kind of connection out of it but you know go off King go off but
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according to Ed the family who lived in the SML house before the smls moved in they were the ones responsible for quote
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the first of the four paranormal stages oh which he referred to as the opening that's the first stage the opening I do
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love the theatrics I [ __ ] love I do I love it now he wasn't wasn't able to provide a ton of details because he
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didn't want anyone getting sued no of course not but he claimed that the previous occupants had quote allowed the
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doors to open up that allowed the phenomenon to occur which like lots of big words going on lots of like sounds
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pretty blamy blaming exactly going on but as for how the problem could be resolved he still said it would require
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an exorcism by a priest from the Catholic church that was the only way out of it yeah it is but he also said
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that the Reps of the church in Scranton were young and not knowledgeable about this sort of thing meaning they wouldn't
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be of any help so on one hand they're like we [ __ ] need the Catholic Church to help us and then on the other hand
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they're like they are unqualified to help us so we're kind of [ __ ] what do you want o but pretty much every day
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that went by more and more articles were being written the smurls were being featured in newspapers across
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Pennsylvania and even further than that at this point and a lot of them were actually Front Page News which when you
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think about that that's [ __ ] nuts that is nuts imagine you go grab the globe and it's like about a haunted
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family that would be pretty amazing tough news week I would love that I would also love that but every Outlet
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seem to up the antie of course or add some kind of piece of the story that hadn't been mentioned before and
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sometimes the new information even seemed like it was intended to add credibility to the claims like it seemed
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like the reporters were like you know what I believe them and almost kind of sneaking their own things in there to
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kind of like Val the story on August 20th for example Ed Warren claimed that they had extensive video footage of The
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Haunting oo exciting right I'm excited let's go well when he was asked to provide the tapes he said that he had
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sent them to someone but then they were like okay like can you get them back and
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he was like like can I have those actually the Demonic energy was so strong that it quote burned a hole right
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through the tape oh you know that happens that'll happen also which one is it did you send it to someone or did it
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get a hole burned through it no it burned a hole through the table H don't yeah they like you know how it is you
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know how just like things burst into flames kind of like Jack watching TV I mean we do know how things burst into
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flames these days that's very true and how do you argue with that though at that point like at that time you're just
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like yeah I guess yeah I guess you're right and I would want to see the tape with a hole of who am I to argue that I
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don't know at least show me the video tape with the hole burned on the center of it you you know that would say you
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didn't want to inhale all that plastic so that must have been a demon that's true that's what I would say at least
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good call thank you you're welcome but other additions to the story were just plain bizarre in an interview with
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Citizen's voice a local newspaper Jack told reporters about a curious incident involving his feet his feet I say
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involving his feet you say this is just truly ridiculous I had my legs crossed at the ankles and my slippers were
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alongside of the chair without looking and not taking my eyes off the television which apparently they had
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replaced I leaned forward for my slippers and went to put them on when I realized I couldn't uncross my feet oh
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you want to know why he couldn't uncross his feet why this is quotes the demons had paper clipped my socks together from
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the inside where they met the paperclip was opened in an S shape you try to do that to your socks without ripping them
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I can't do it but I did but it did I mean okay that's like that's very Fay it's very misch first of all I can't
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even really picture that in my head no can't do I'm like an S shape and like you couldn't un I think you would just
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rip your socks if you tried to cross your legs like I think you'd be able to so I think he's right you really can no
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but you would just rip your [ __ ] you would just rip your [ __ ] all you would just rip your [ __ ] all up but like why
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what what did the demons really get out of that I don't know just I they're just franksters you know
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they're like this is funny he'll fall also that's not scary to me I'd just be like [ __ ] off that's silly goofy that's
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yeah it would piss me off you know depending on my mood for the day yeah I'd more just be like that's annoying I
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I don't like like John does this thing that he knows I hate to your socks to my cuz I love like I have to have socks on
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she don't take my socks off and so he'll run by me if my legs are crossed and he'll just rip my sock off and then
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he'll run around and throw it you guys are really cute that's like that's a Sil but he does it cuz he knows it makes me
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lose like a rational like a rationally angry but he's just like woo and just grabs myself he's just like woo he just
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gets overcome with the wo and I feel like he would so I feel like the the demons maybe they're Aries okay and
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maybe that's just their love language maybe they took a page out of out of John's book out of John's book you know
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maybe that's their love language is driving this family crazy I like it I mean I kind of feel like you're on to
00:27:00
something there I think so maybe the ghosts are just Aries and that's their love
00:27:04
language well the Catholic dicese was not um Aries and they were not John I don't know I had to move was another
00:27:13
good segue thank you so after being inundated with calls from uh reporters and very concerned citizens and
00:27:19
neighbors actually the Scranton dases released an official statement on the SML case oh Reverend Gerald malele told
00:27:27
repor we don't know what it is that's the problem we believe what the family is telling us it's the explanation for what
00:27:33
they are experiencing that we are not sure of we have no idea what the [ __ ] is
00:27:38
going on they're like yeah we believe them but like we don't know what we cuz the whole thing is who are they going to
00:27:44
exercise that well that's the problem the whole family cuz like not one person is like exactly you know like starting
00:27:51
speak like Reagan or anything like that like they're having things happen around
00:27:55
them but nobody's possessed per se that's the thing it's like you so what's the point of an exorcism like you're not
00:28:01
going to exercise are you going to exercise the whole house is that a thing that's what I was going to say and I I
00:28:06
don't think so I thought you would exercise a person yeah but like you can like bless a house or you know which I
00:28:12
think they probably are more apt to do is bless a house and they did yeah so but they were like there's really not
00:28:18
much more we can do other than that also what is the what are the I wonder what it takes to get an official exorcism
00:28:25
like what are the guidelines that need to hit the benchmarks I think you talked actually a little bit about it when you
00:28:31
were doing the Arie Johnson case we did talk about it but there's like like we don't know what the we talk about the
00:28:37
benchmarks of what it is but it has to go up like really high like didn't the Pope get involved at one point or
00:28:42
something yeah like it like in the chain of like you know who decides it has to go up really high but I just want to
00:28:49
know what the requirements are like what they need to take to all those people and be like hey this family's dealing
00:28:54
with all these things see I wonder if there's requirements or if it depends on the person at the top like what they
00:29:00
think of the whole situation yeah but at the same time you would think that there
00:29:03
would have to be some criteria there has to be something I don't know I don't know they were like not here but they
00:29:09
said no so ultimately the dicese did agree to send a priest that was quote experienced in demonology and
00:29:16
parapsychology to go out and investigate okay and they said that after the priest
00:29:21
was through with his with his investigation they would decide how to go forward okay so within a week of the
00:29:27
first report by the Associated Press like I said the coverage like daily coverage of the smurls ordeal had
00:29:33
started attracting crowds outside of the house actually like it had got so big people were getting together just
00:29:40
looking at the house and sometimes the crowds were larger than a hundred people that's [ __ ] up just like causing a
00:29:46
scene especially it's like people live there exactly I don't know I think they might
00:29:52
have like said hey oh they liked it I don't know oh I don't I never talked to them them personally I was think I was
00:29:58
thinking it's weird just to do that anyway like when people live in the house like like don't do that no the
00:30:05
rude yeah because the thing is a lot of times the police actually had to intervene to disperse everyone and
00:30:10
manage the crowd imagine being their neighbor I would be so [ __ ] annoyed that's the thing if you lived on that
00:30:15
street I'd be [ __ ] piss I'd be real annoyed the story though actually caught the attention eventually though like
00:30:21
because of all of this of Jason Miller who played father Damian in The Exorcist [ __ ] so he was cuz he's from Scranton so
00:30:32
one day he went along with a journalist from the Times Tribune and took a tour of the smurl house shut up that's why I
00:30:39
think like they let certain people in so I think they were you know for but he said of the visit this is no Amityville
00:30:44
Horror with a big spooky house the family is terrified that the infestation of the home will go to the family huh
00:30:50
like so I think they were worried that the next step was possession yeah of course now while they were in the living
00:30:55
room Janet told Jason Miller And the reporter that there was some activity actually going on in Don's bedroom
00:31:02
upstairs and she was like we should go up there like I can actually finally show you something like it's happening
00:31:06
right now but when Jack took the visitors to the room quote everything was normal like nothing was going on
00:31:13
yeah yeah you know so by the end of told you no media training for these ghosts they don't want to do they're like no no
00:31:19
cameras they're like us no videos photos don't take a pi take a pick don't take a
00:31:23
video don't take a video Never So by the end of August the non-stop reports on the haunting started getting a little
00:31:29
mundane for readers they were like okay there's not a lot really happening here nothing new to report so people are
00:31:34
losing interest now not wanting to lose an audience potentially Jack Janet and the Warren allegedly came forward with a
00:31:43
new piece of information that they had gotten via a psychic investigation of the house oh and a possible explanation
00:31:50
for The Haunting all right which like I think you guys already provided that but
00:31:54
go off but sure according to Janet quote two two psychics who spent time in the house believe there may be a link
00:32:00
between the alleged spirits and a decades old murder there are two Earthbound and one den demonic Spirit
00:32:07
here one is a woman named Abigail a friendly Spirit who talks to me one is a man named Patrick who is angry the other
00:32:15
is a demon o so the psychics told Janet allegedly that almost a hundred years earlier in 19 uh excuse me 1898 or
00:32:25
1899 Patrick had murdered his wife Abigail oh [ __ ] and she went on the psychic to explain quote he was supposed
00:32:32
to have been hanged nearby and buried here now he's afraid to go into the spirit world because he thinks he will
00:32:39
be punished as he should as he absolutely should I also was like why was he going to get buried on his own
00:32:44
property I was going to ask that it's only legal in some places I don't know about Scranton but unfortunately in the
00:32:49
1800s who knows truth truth um unfortunately though there's literally no documented evidence whatsoever that
00:32:56
either of those people existed or were real um or any evidence that says a murder or an execution took place in
00:33:02
that um like regarding those people okay so next so there's that all right now while the smurls had gone to the Press
00:33:12
initially to draw attention to their predicament and as they claimed to get help from anybody who had similar
00:33:18
experiences after a week the non-stop coverage was starting to take its toll on even the SML family yeah of course
00:33:24
Jack told reporters it's just getting a little crazy do you know we have people climbing up the tree outside the house
00:33:29
at night trying to look in the windows it's insane and they have kids yeah and like younger kids too that's [ __ ] up
00:33:36
not cool and they I they have four girls you know like it's like get it together
00:33:39
people now even worse than that though people were now starting to criticize the story and we're talking amongst
00:33:45
themselves questioning the validity of what the smls were claiming and Jack said we're starting to read things that
00:33:51
have no truth to them at all some people have questioned our integrity I don't like that cuz we're honest people we
00:33:57
never thought it would run away like this you wanted you wanted to be in the spotlight a little bit I know
00:34:04
unfortunately so as public interest in the case began to slowly die off the voices of the critics and Skeptics were
00:34:10
growing louder oh no but not all of them were accusing the family of dishonesty or fraud Steven Kaplan the director of
00:34:17
Paras psychology excuse me the director of the Paras pychology Institute of New York actually said it was a bit more
00:34:24
involved than that he like I'm not trying to like make fun of this family he said what you have here is someone
00:34:29
taking a cause of psychokinesis and blowing it up into a story about demons yeah he actually believed a lot of what
00:34:37
the family had said about the attacks going on within the home but where he differed from the Warren however was how
00:34:44
it came to be the cause okay for one thing he didn't believe in demons and for another he was suspicious of the
00:34:50
Warren involvement in the case he had actually investigated the Amityville case himself and he didn't
00:34:56
think that case had anything to do with demons either and nor do I but he and that's why he was worrying about the
00:35:02
Warren's motivations going public with this case too because he was worried it was all going to take kind of a similar
00:35:08
path to the Amityville case yeah and he said normally when you investigate investigate a case like this you don't
00:35:14
publicize it no like that was his main issue that makes okay so making our way to Reverend alonsus trabold obviously
00:35:23
yeah what a [ __ ] name the priest from St uh Bonaventure University yeah he was
00:35:31
invited by the Scranton dicese to investigate the matter like I was saying earlier they were like we're going to
00:35:35
send a priest out there he's going to investigate and we'll decide how to move forward so he was very skeptical when he
00:35:42
went out there he told reporters he was looking into the matter at the request of the local dicese I feel like Rachel
00:35:48
from Seven Deadly Sinners and I can't believe that and also deadly dases yeah go listen to Rachel on Seven Deadly
00:35:54
centers Rachel and Greg and Rachel and Greg on deadly dices it's really great guys I'm serious listen to it but I just
00:36:01
I've just never said dices so much yeah um but so he he told the reporters he was looking into the matter at the
00:36:07
request of the dases to determine whether the manifestations quote are true and not just a matter of
00:36:12
misjudgment hallucination or Illusion illusion illusion is Chris Angel here oh my gosh mind
00:36:21
freak oh my gosh Mind Freak so among the Skeptics who you know were less confident that the smurls and the Warren
00:36:30
were telling the truth so among the Skeptics who were less confident that the smurls and Warren were telling the
00:36:35
truth and you know kind of just were like I don't know about this and among the people that were like not shy about
00:36:41
sharing their opinion with the Press ah Paul Curts oh I mentioned him before he was a member and spokesperson for the
00:36:48
committee of uh for the scientific investigation of claims and paranormal also known as csicop oh yeah I mean I
00:36:55
know Paul do you know Paul CSI cop yeah that's fun CSI cop yeah well Curts he saw a lot of similarities between the
00:37:02
smurls claims and many other cases involving the Warren and that led him to his doubts he said it seems to us you
00:37:10
know over at CSI cop yeah Paul and everybody that a great to-do has been made about it and we wonder if it's like
00:37:16
the Amityville Horror hoax which was based on imagination rather than on actual hauntings so despite his skepticism and
00:37:24
his General distrust for the Warren the members of CSI cop that's just what I'm calling it 100% obviously why wouldn't
00:37:31
you they were more than willing actually to go out and investigate the family's claims themselves and offer assistance
00:37:37
if they could I like that but those offers were either completely ignored by the smurls and the Warren or just flat
00:37:44
out rejected I wonder why me too it's crazy that's wild so the thing yeah the smls refusal from this large
00:37:53
organization with the knowledge and the resources to explain and possibly even end their ordeal seemed pretty strange
00:38:01
yeah to most people like all you're doing like your whole claim with going forward with this was to get help yeah
00:38:07
and then those people that were like hey hey we're over here C we can help you and then they were like no they're like
00:38:14
no we don't want that like that's a little ridiculous so when uh when Kurt's there reached out to Janet smurl to
00:38:20
offer assistant she just kept putting him off she told him you know she would get back to him but she would never call
00:38:25
him back that kind of thing strange just she was kind of ghosting him yeah that would make me ghosting him that's funny
00:38:31
oh my God I actually didn't even mean to but like good catch I like that but you
00:38:35
know what CSI cop was what did what was it undeterred I figured I always knew they were they were undeterred so they
00:38:42
refer to team of local Affiliated investigators to the smurls and after a few brief conversations the smurl family
00:38:49
actually did agree to let them come out to the house and investigate like it took a little poking and prodding but
00:38:53
they were like which it shouldn't have it shouldn't no it definitely shouldn't not have especially when you said that's
00:38:57
your whole goal yeah but they were like you know what okay come out but when they got to the house they were met by
00:39:03
Ed warin and Jack smurl oh and apparently Jack had changed his mind and he and Ed refused to allow the team to
00:39:11
go inside the house and actually demanded that they get off the property immediately so like what going on that's
00:39:18
rude you first of all you said no to me and then I was like please and you were like okay and then you were like
00:39:23
actually get out right now it's the end of you and me and to wait until you packed all your [ __ ] and brought it out
00:39:33
to the location and then you're like actually no it's like why [ __ ] I bought a button-up shirt for this I got new
00:39:39
pants at Target like what the [ __ ] what the hell no that's to Jojo me like that
00:39:44
going to Jojo me it's a verb yeah so the refusal to allow the team inside uh I don't know if you see it this way but I
00:39:52
do as a major red flag yeah I would question that the members of csic cop also felt that way they were like that's
00:39:59
[ __ ] that's weird that's fous so the CSI cop investigator Richard Bush he told reporters and I I thought
00:40:08
of you when I heard this quote it said good science says first let's rule out possible fraud let's be careful let's be
00:40:16
critical let's be unemotional today there are a lot of emotion here and a lot of secrecy I want to open things up
00:40:25
and look at things Fair L he was like I want to do good science I like that I like that he's like I want to remove all
00:40:32
the secrecy and the emotional [ __ ] from this and I just want to look at what's happening and tell you if it's
00:40:37
real or if it's fake and then when if I say I don't know it seems like it might be real then we'll delve a little
00:40:42
further into this exactly you're not even letting me get to that point and I wonder why because if it's real why
00:40:49
wouldn't you want me a pillar of the scientific paranormal Community to go in front of the media and say this is real
00:40:58
and we need to investigate it exactly huh I agree also he's giving Capricorn Vibes thank you he is but so that's the
00:41:04
thing their refusal to allow csic cop into the house not enough to stop the organization like I said undeterred yeah
00:41:11
they're a Capricorn so what they did they are as an organization a Capricorn you cannot tell them no can't stop them
00:41:18
so what they did was they just started organizing no they didn't start well they yeah they probably did organize
00:41:22
some things and then they started investigating off the property off site and they came to several conclusions
00:41:29
about the sml's claims now the biggest issues for the independent investigators now doing this outside of the house the
00:41:37
biggest issues for them were that the only supposedly documented evidence of the activity in the home was
00:41:42
suspiciously unavailable like we said and they also were like the only investigators allowed in this house are
00:41:49
Ed and Lorraine or their people and any attempt being made so far to understand this phenomenon Rel relied entirely and
00:41:57
exclusively on a Christian framework which like that's fine if that's what you believe in but it limits you but it
00:42:03
does limit you greatly yeah and whenever the Warren were asked by reporters on multiple occasions to produce that video
00:42:10
that they had or any photos of activity that they also claimed to have every single time Ed Warren kept putting them
00:42:16
off he said quote he had loaned them to a TV company but didn't remember its name or quote they would be be released
00:42:23
in time but only to the Roman Catholic Church it's like the church doesn't even want
00:42:28
to help you here what the [ __ ] are you giving them videos for and also they asked you for the videos and you set a
00:42:33
hole burn through them yeah so what's the story what is the story here and the Warren weren't the only ones giving
00:42:39
weird Stories the smurls also adopted a very vague explanation when they asked the same question they would tell
00:42:45
reporters quote they don't own the tapes and that if they allowed one or two journalists to stay overnight they'd be
00:42:51
deled deluged deled deled I think you can say it kind of I always think like a deluge of things I like it well they
00:42:58
were going to be deluged with requests from other reporters which I guess is a fair point but it's like at least
00:43:05
release some pictures because you're going to the media so often why can't you just give them a couple that's the
00:43:09
thing just give them a little bit right so in time the Press much like the public started to wonder why the smls
00:43:16
were being so secretive and now at this point they were refusing to talk to any quote unsympathetic members of the press
00:43:24
o so like the number when people you don't want to piss off in the story like this are the Press yeah especially when
00:43:29
they were helping you in the beginning that's the thing and when Janet smurl was asked about all of this during an
00:43:34
interview with uh an ABC news program featuring Paul Curts AR guay Janet claimed that she had been that she
00:43:41
actually had contacted CSI cop a year earlier but it was that organization that had told her that she had been
00:43:49
watching too many lat night horror movies remember I had said that earlier yeah that's that's not good that's not
00:43:55
good but she didn't have any proof of that well that's the thing and also it's okay to be skeptical at first this is
00:44:01
your chance to shine this is your chance to prove them wrong like wouldn't you want that if you are very confident in
00:44:08
your own truth right exactly that's the thing but she was pissed off about that and she was also pissed off that they
00:44:14
suggested that she see a psychiatrist okay which I can see why like she would find that insulting in
00:44:20
the manner in which it was said I suppose yeah well and some people just don't want to be told that you know but
00:44:26
during the interview CTS actually said that was completely false he said although this sounds like good advice we
00:44:33
have no record of having received such a call we invariably ask that the caller send us a letter giving all the facts
00:44:40
and we have no such letter on file from the smurls I mean whenever you ask for proof
00:44:46
of something over and over again and they don't provide it to you it's probably [ __ ] up and F like I
00:44:53
don't know it's weird I don't know when someone's not willing to provide the receipts but they have them according to
00:44:59
them I don't know about it I don't like it I don't know about it I've been in that position before and I've been like
00:45:04
show me the proof there's been several times that I think we've both seen this happen yes where you're like show me the
00:45:11
proof of that show me that that actually happened and they're just like and then
00:45:16
and then I do what Carrie and Lara from Su another great podcast you should listen to truth you just say so you say
00:45:22
so you say so you say so you say so you say but some people run with it yeah yeah they do but now that the smurls
00:45:29
seem to be gaining a more you know adversarial tone with anybody other than Eden Lorraine Warren and more and more
00:45:35
inconsistencies were starting to build within their story this was when the Press shifted their tone publicly and
00:45:43
even the public Exel itself started even gaining more suspicions yeah I mean I could see that so according to Jack the
00:45:50
surgery caused short-term memory loss and that the operation had no bearing on his family claims that the house was
00:45:56
possessed by demons he was basically saying two completely separate events okay and as for why they had become so
00:46:03
closed off at this point he told reporters Jack if there's action taken in this house it's got to be from a
00:46:08
religious point of view H so he was like basically I don't want anybody investigating this that is not
00:46:14
affiliated with or believes in the church which like okay again I think you're limiting yourself yeah I mean
00:46:21
that's just a limited scope is all when you're only looking through one lens it's it's hard to see anything else
00:46:27
you're not seeing the forest past the trees at that point exactly and so Skeptics and all the press and everybody
00:46:32
that was starting to get pissed off about this they obviously disagreed and also so did a psychiatrist named Dr
00:46:39
Robert Gordon we got a doctor up in here Dr Gordon Dr Gordon not the one from Saw
00:46:46
I don't think that Carrie Elis bled o well in a prepared statement written on behalf of CSI cop he suspected that the
00:46:54
family might be suffering uing from a Shar a kind of shared hysteria quote similar to that prevalent during the
00:47:01
Salem Witch Trials shared hysteria is fascinating fascinating and I we're going to cover more of those because
00:47:08
it's a fascinating phenomenon I think I agree with him in this particular case and I believe in demons and I believe in
00:47:16
hauntings that's the thing in this case I think it might have been AIT kind of thing so do you think and
00:47:22
it's like it kind of feels like they believe oh I think they believe I think that's
00:47:27
part of shared hysteria and shared delusion they aren't lying that's the thing they're not like willingly being
00:47:34
like [ __ ] you I'm telling you a fabrication like they're not spinning you a yarn on purpose they're they
00:47:40
believe what they are telling you cuz that's the thing I think there's multiple viewpoints on this story as a
00:47:45
whole and I think one of them is that they were telling the truth and that like they got [ __ ] over yeah I think
00:47:51
another Viewpoint is that like they were not telling the truth and they did this
00:47:55
to get famous and this is the that I have they did this because they were genuinely
00:48:00
terrified and believed it but I think was a hysteria thing a shared hysteria thing it was like I think they they
00:48:07
truly did see those things that they thought that they were seeing it could it could absolutely be a little bit a
00:48:13
little sprinkle of all three as well I love a good schoras board you know we love it's kind of like a girl dinner
00:48:19
that's like a thing now dinner it's a Tik Tok thing right now it and it's you know like you just will throw together a
00:48:27
dinner with like you know [ __ ] chickpeas and salsa and tomato Tomatoes like just
00:48:35
hon like just things girl dinner equals three cubes of cheese a couple grapes a Capri
00:48:43
Sun and a cookie oh that's a girl dinner yeah girl dinner is just like like random [ __ ] thrown together but it can
00:48:50
be like more than like two grapes right oh my it should absolutely it should be like a handful of many grapes okay I was
00:48:56
like is that what girl dinner is no it doesn't mean small it just means okay I thought I had it wrong and I was like oh
00:49:01
no your dinner S I don't like girl dinner your dinner sounded like an actually good prepared dinner oh yeah
00:49:06
yeah okay girl dinner is three pieces of turkey few cubes of cheese a handful of
00:49:13
grapes handful of grapes um a Capri Sun always a Capri Sun sounds great and like
00:49:17
a Chomp uh beef jerky stick there you go just like some random as [ __ ] yeah just
00:49:22
like whatever you can Cobble together that makes sense it's okay I thought I just thought I had the wrong idea of it
00:49:28
and I was like oh no am I like no girl dinner's great I thought I was like I thought girl dinner was fun no girl
00:49:32
dinner is fun and girl dinner is what you make it so let's make it Rock it's whatever the hell you make it but what
00:49:38
was the point uh oh cuz I was saying I was saying the the outcome of this you were saying there's like really three
00:49:45
viewpoints here that they experienced this for real they got [ __ ] over and they didn't get the Justice they needed
00:49:52
or that they outright lied to get the media attention and the fame out of it they knew what they were doing bada Bo
00:49:59
or the third one is this shared hysteria where they really felt like they were experiencing these things and they were
00:50:06
get you know it was just growing within their family exactly and I was saying it
00:50:09
could be like a little sprinkle of all three to kind of like a girl dinner of all the various options whoop there it
00:50:16
is knew there a connection who are we I don't know and Dr Gordon felt the same because he was like you know jack smurl
00:50:23
is not a patient of mine so I can't com on his personal but he did note that the
00:50:29
surgeries and potential injuries to the brain often cause lingering symptoms that can mirror those of a psychotic
00:50:35
disorder okay in a letter he wrote a shared tension might cause Mass hysteria with shared symptoms which could involve
00:50:42
delusions or hallucinations okay the family strong religious beliefs in demonology might serve to bolster the
00:50:49
delusional system of belief something terribly wrong may be going on in that family system that has nothing to do
00:50:55
with demons that's true so I do think I slightly agree with that like I lean more toward that belief I could see it I
00:51:04
have no [ __ ] clue but I could see that absolutely right so while CTS and members of CSI cop continued pushing to
00:51:10
investigate the SML home and you know continuing to investigate it on their own the Publican press at this point so
00:51:17
we've gotten we've gone with them where they were happy and they were like so excited to read more about this started
00:51:23
wavering had questions then met with kind of like H like I don't like that now they're just like I don't give a
00:51:29
[ __ ] about this story at all cuz now you we you've overstayed your welcome exactly what it is you've pushed back on
00:51:35
too many things but then welcomed other things so I think people get people get over that exactly they're like all right
00:51:40
you know what I'm just not going to give it the attention exactly so people these
00:51:44
were like kind of like their final thoughts yeah one neighbor told a reporter they're trying to get a movie
00:51:48
made in West pittson that's all uh Pittston excuse me and then another neighbor Bernard radvan which is another
00:51:54
[ __ ] dope dop ass name he lived a few doors down from the family and he said it's a lot of malarkey there's people
00:52:01
been living in this neighborhood 30 years and didn't have nothing happen the kids rather than the demons are all that
00:52:07
screaming around here I love Bernard Bernard raden radin forever I really love Bernard I love that he's like I've
00:52:18
lived here my whole life and I haven't seen demons walking down the street not once he's like kids [ __ ] bunch of
00:52:24
them loud little shits demons n haven't seen one don't believe it and even the family's Parish priest uh Reverend
00:52:32
Joseph Adon Dono took a cautious position on the matter he said we're going to pray for their peace of mind we
00:52:40
can't pray to remove the demons because we don't know for sure yet that they're there I think that is as close to a sick
00:52:48
burn SL roast that you will get from from rev your local Reverend I think so too
00:52:55
it's like we're going to pray for you you know what we're we'll pray for you yeah we got you but the smls and and the
00:53:01
Warren they didn't like that they were becoming even more antagonistic now that people are losing interest mad and
00:53:07
they're still feeling like they're going through this so now they're feeling shunned yeah exactly so reporters began
00:53:14
taking a far less serious tone when it came to the story and that's what was pissing them off and and example of this
00:53:19
is uh Jill Porter wrote in the Philadelphia Daily News it's a little ridiculous she said as a reporter I
00:53:26
think a certain amount of skepticism is healthy but I can't understand why the public is so suspicious of the smrls
00:53:32
when so many homes are beset by similar unexplained happenings why just yesterday my friend Ellen was telling me
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of the Demons who have turned her summerhouse at the seashore into a nightmare she returned from the beach
00:53:44
the other day to discover a paper cup had been stuffed down the toilet stopping it up and requiring a very
00:53:50
expensive visit from the plumber none of her three sons aged 15 12 and n had any
00:53:56
idea how it happened of course though they were all home all afternoon wow so basically she was like
00:54:03
you don't have demons you have kids I was going to say so she's literally like I can't imagine she's just being like
00:54:09
every home in the country with kids and it goes through the same thing how can we just ignore that yeah ignore that
00:54:15
paranormal shun that yeah what a coincidence send the warrants to my friend's beach house is it weird that
00:54:21
the kids are home all the time when this happens no no not at all no that's PR that is that's highbrow that's satire
00:54:28
that's highbrow satire it is honestly her article was gentle though compared to some of the others written and
00:54:34
published at the time Francis Deandrea wrote In The Times Tribune most folks are too sophisticated to say that they
00:54:40
believe in demons I mean I'm not all right that's what I mean he got a little step back he got a little sassy yeah I'm
00:54:47
I'm not with you anymore no I'm not there either but he said that and he said not the smls they didn't try to
00:54:52
hide their ghosts in the family closet no sir they told everyone about the visitors from the spirit world and all
00:54:58
the nasty things the ghosts have been doing to their family their dog and their furniture for the last 18 months
00:55:04
all right okay I mean like I would have been with you a little bit but but I'm not but he was rude a little bit yeah
00:55:09
you were rude now Jim Collins the reporter that had accompanied actor Jason Miller who played in The Exorcist
00:55:16
into the smls home less than a week earlier wrote at the tail end of a dull August nothing CHS up the small town
00:55:22
grap Vine like having a neighbor who works in the local bubblegum Factory announced that he has been sexually
00:55:28
assaulted I'll say repeatedly by a cronik ghost so basically what he was saying was like I think they're trying to stir
00:55:37
up a story because it's the tail end of a dull August I mean yeah we're we're entering into to fall you know fall time
00:55:45
spooky season spooky with it let's get spooky with it but I mean that's a that's that's a lot that's one way to
00:55:52
say it that's a lot to to spice up Ault August I would say and he was referring when he was talking about this mostly to
00:55:59
a very disastrous Press Conference held in the sml's backyard at the end of August most of the comments or questions
00:56:06
were at this point intensely mocking like the smls obviously and one person said do you think you can arrange for a
00:56:13
night with me in the succubus which like that's really mean and also cuz especially again like if he had this
00:56:20
brain surgery and like that was happened to be a complication afterwards that he's dealing with like hysteria and
00:56:26
delusions now you're making fun of him well that's the thing it's also whenever I see like
00:56:32
adults bullying and bullying other adults I'm like that's pathetic like it really like regardless whether
00:56:39
regardless of whether you think they're pathetic or not right you're on their level if that's the case like you're
00:56:45
sitting there in their backyard exactly oh can you make the ghost have sex with me too it's like get out of here [ __ ]
00:56:52
Sally like see you later exactly and it's like do you have nothing better like you're immersed in this [ __ ] so go
00:56:58
live your life what are you saying about yourself that you're sitting here yeah let them think they have demons why is
00:57:02
it bother in you that's the thing people insert themselves in these things and it's like it doesn't have anything to do
00:57:07
with you if you don't want to hear about it don't hear about it exactly and but the and just to explain we don't always
00:57:14
use like this amount of quotes in a story but just to explain why I had used them I feel like this story is such an
00:57:20
interesting statement on how people in the press and just in general will believe something so like so
00:57:28
wholeheartedly one day and like Feast upon it and then [ __ ] turn the next day oh yeah it's that's the like that's
00:57:35
the way they is like you hoist someone up and you believe them and support them and then you smack them down as hard as
00:57:42
you can once they've reached a certain point and that's exactly what happened with this family whether they were
00:57:47
telling the truth or not that's exactly what happen exactly like they it just turns I just think it's like standing
00:57:53
there and like mockingly asking them questions and stuff it's like I don't know why you think you're better at this
00:57:59
point because you sitting there doing that I'm like that's that's like loser Behavior loser loser Behavior like
00:58:06
you're a loser like just like just go be like okay I don't believe them bye exactly just talk about with your
00:58:13
friends don't sit in their backyard to be mean to someone's face is like yeah ex I don't know about that no I don't
00:58:19
like it it's just it's spreading more negativity which is going to create demons for you little [ __ ] yeah exactly
00:58:24
in the backyard yeah but you know safe to say that press conference you know didn't end on a high
00:58:29
but the final nail in the coffin came in the beginning of September 1986 when the
00:58:33
Press reported that what a neighbor told them previously was true the smurls were
00:58:38
in negotiations with star Productions to sell the rights to their story for a feature film but again you I think you
00:58:46
could say multiple things on that one they're a family of they're like a pretty big family and they have four
00:58:54
mouths to feed so perhaps this did happen and they need to make money off of it and they see an opportunity AB or
00:59:00
perhaps this was the goal all along you never know we don't know but for Skeptics the fact this fact confirmed
00:59:07
the suspicion that this had always been about Fame and money for them and I can see that M I can see anything yeah
00:59:13
exactly and star Productions res uh president Ralph llma came forward and said we have had several discussions we
00:59:19
haven't signed anything yet but we hope to it's going to make a hell of a movie when it's finally made I mean it would
00:59:25
he confirmed it and Janet SML expressed her disbelief at the statement telling reporters I don't believe this obviously
00:59:31
the Press is making things up now we have no comment so she wouldn't say either way all right now it should be
00:59:37
said that whether the smls were actually involved in talks with star Productions
00:59:41
at this time is pretty unclear but within four years of this newsgo public they had not only sold their rights for
00:59:49
excuse me they had not only sold the rights to their story for publication of a book but that book was adapted Ed and
00:59:55
made into a made for television movie titled the haunted so they did get some stuff out of it yeah and in a later
01:00:03
story published with the Philadelphia Inquirer reporter Bill mcandrew contradicted Janet's claims that she
01:00:09
couldn't believe this whole rumor and he said he actually had been present for one of the family's meetings with the
01:00:14
star Productions uh president there well so that was pretty much the end of the spectacle though as soon as people found
01:00:21
out that there was a pending like film deal it shattered their confidence in the story yeah and of course there was
01:00:27
still a handful of family and friends and you know like devout Catholics that went to church with them that believed
01:00:33
them but the majority of people had had enough and by late October the smurls maybe trying to spice things up they
01:00:40
were calling the press to report that the Demonic activity had miraculously ended oh after the the movie deal after
01:00:48
the whole debacle and it ended in October I was like I feel like the ghosts do not take vacation on October
01:00:53
or maybe they were that maybe that's their busy season so he they were like we got to get out of here they said on
01:00:58
to the next one yeah they were like we've got [ __ ] to do okay okay you Jack and Janet told reporters we believe that
01:01:03
the elimination of our problem can only be credited to the inter intercession of
01:01:08
the Blessed Virgin Mary St Michael the Archangel and to the Sacred Heart of Jesus who have answered our prayers and
01:01:14
the prayers of the thousands of others through the rosary took the words right out of my mouth that's what I was going
01:01:19
to say yeah yeah y now uh CSI cop there even though never gained uh entrance into this house they were never allowed
01:01:28
they still completed their investigation from afar CSI cop CSI cop forever and they offered insight into a possible
01:01:35
explanation for The Haunting in his report Curts concluded quote our investigation of the SML case thus far
01:01:42
th far points to several possible alternative explanations for what has allegedly been happening without the
01:01:48
deed to invoke the occult or a paranormal one okay he said there was a faulty sewage pipe
01:01:54
which could account for the strange and horrible odors that were reported by the
01:01:58
smls and that it was a known problem within the neighborhood and had actually been reported to the town managers many
01:02:04
times that's horrifying itself and then the team also managed to track down the previous residents of the house they had
01:02:12
lived there for 17 years and they reported never having any problems or experiencing anything unusual okay so
01:02:19
ultimately CTS and his team of investigators believed that at the urging of and with the encouragement
01:02:25
from Eden Lorraine Warren the smurls got very caught up in the excitement of this
01:02:29
moment and that it was dramatically increased by the intense press interest and everything took off from there and
01:02:36
they said as for why or they yeah as for why the public spectacle got so far out
01:02:41
of control Kurt said the fact that the smls have signed a book contract raises serious questions about their
01:02:47
motives I mean yeah ites it it does I get it I'm not saying it that they're lying I'm just saying it definitely
01:02:53
makes you think for sure but what an interesting story cuz at regardless it's an interesting story you really like I
01:03:00
don't know if their house was haunted one way or the other but like wow they went through it either way that's the
01:03:08
they and they went for it they went for it andess all around it inside it like they
01:03:15
just they did it and you at the end of the day they made their [ __ ] movie they got their [ __ ] book written so
01:03:19
it's like you know they and it it's like they they if they were lying they spun an interesting yarn an interesting
01:03:28
enough Yarn yeah yeah that I guess didn't really like hurt anyone no you know honestly it's funny cuz usually in
01:03:35
like haunted stories I'm looking for like the haunted stuff like in the Bobby Mackey story all the different things
01:03:39
that happened there I was like oh [ __ ] like that's interesting in this story I
01:03:43
was more interested in like the like how people perceived them and that and it's
01:03:48
and it really is interesting to me that whole like grown adults will make these things up absolutely it's happen and
01:03:56
it's and it is very interesting to me how far they'll go with these stories again I'm not saying they made it up I
01:04:02
don't know I wasn't in that house no but it is interesting when you do find out like the Lutes like the
01:04:08
lutzes admitted that they that it was a hoax right and it's like so you just like went for it like just full sent and
01:04:15
it's like did you guys have a discussion about this did you game plan it out was
01:04:19
there an outline that's the thing especially with the lutus too cuz you think about it like you know young
01:04:24
couple just vibing I can't imagine just sitting on the couch with Drew and being
01:04:28
like what do you think if we like went to the [ __ ] press and like this place is haunted as [ __ ] you want to fake a
01:04:34
haunting like you trying to fake a haunting is that I know it's real like what just like how does that
01:04:41
conversation start in world that's what I wonder it's just very interesting imagine sitting on the couch with John
01:04:46
and being like I got a [ __ ] GameChanger idea you know I got a date night you want to fake a haunting I got
01:04:52
a date Year all planned out for us see how long we can stretch this thing you like the Press you like the Press
01:04:59
they're about to love us it's so strange it really is but I don't think their game plan uh accounted for it going
01:05:06
terribly terribly wrong and everyone turning on them no I don't think so either what an interesting story
01:05:10
regardless very interesting story The smurls the smurls that's all I got for you with a name like smurl it's got to
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be good it does so we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird but not so weird we that you're mean to
01:05:25
people and you doubt their story right off the bat you know don't do that it's rude but like definitely investigate CSI
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cop all the way [Music] through