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Hey weirdos. I'm Ash [laughter] and I'm Elena. I almost This is morbid. [music] [music]
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The amount of times that I almost say I'm Elena. >> Hello. >> I love it. >> It's so rainy today, so we're like
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goofbally. It [laughter] is. And I was saying I got such a good sleep last night and I don't think that's good for
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me. You can tell me that sleep is good for me. I disagree. I perform so much better when I'm when I'm like on less
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sleep. >> Yeah. No, it is weird. I I wake up easier when I don't [laughter] have as
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much sleep. >> Oh, I know. This morning I could not wake up cuz last night I went to sleep.
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I put my ear um earplugs in because it was so freaking windy and I have wreaths so they were blowing on my window all
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night >> and you're enjoying that now. >> Oh, I'm enjoying that. >> And I please know when I put in my
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earbuds like my my little earplugs, I think of you. >> Yeah. >> And I say I know these days are
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numbered. >> They're numbered. [laughter] >> Not that I'm pregnant to the one [ __ ]
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person who asked, but >> yeah. Again, I say don't ever [ __ ] ask that question. [laughter]
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>> Just don't. >> I'm just bloated. Okay. I'll say that every single episode. Don't ever ask
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someone that question. >> But uh but moving on. Anyway, >> but yeah, I slept really great last
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night and I'm not better for it. I actually slept really great last night and I also am not better for it cuz I
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have a slight headache all day. >> Oh no. >> Uh all day it's just been >> I have a slight headache all day.
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>> All day. I [laughter] like how you said I've had one. >> Uh I just took eedrin. I've been
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drinking water like >> Did you eat lunch? >> Uh no. I just kind of like grazed. >> Did you eat breakfast?
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>> No, I didn't. You have a headache. >> [ __ ] that's the reason. >> Have you had any water?
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>> Yeah. Oh, I've been drinking water. Like, I just refilled this for the third time.
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>> Okay. >> Um, water has been my friend. And I'm not like I just keep forgetting to have
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full meals lately. >> Um, >> crazy girl. >> She's been busy. Don't do that though.
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I'm just a grazer, so I get in the habit of just like picking throughout the day.
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>> I get grazing for lunch. But >> yeah, >> you got to eat a brekie. >> I love a breakfast, too. I think I just
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got out of my >> out of my head this morning. I prepped some pumpkin pie chia seed pudding for
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the week. [ __ ] Slapped. >> Slappity. Slap. Slap. >> Slapped. And then >> Sounds good.
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>> I'm It's the We're approaching like fall and we're in fall and we're approaching
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winter. >> Dead in fall. >> Shut up. [laughter] So So yeah, I slept. I'm not better for it. But now But now
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I'm making bread again. I revitalized a little tha >> sarda. So I'm well fed. >> Yeah, I like that. And
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>> I I was going to say my my aura ring was like I got a good sleep score last night
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for the first time in like months. And I think my aura is like it literally was like, "Wow, great sleep score." And then
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it was like >> but like calm down still. Like I think it was literally like don't get too
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excited. It was like you had one good sleep. Like this like my readiness was like yeah this is good but like don't go
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crazy girl. Like it was literally like don't you think that this is going to happen all the time. Well, you got to
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have a few nights of it before you go crazy. >> It was funny. It was literally like,
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"Don't be too excited." >> Hey, what the [ __ ] >> Way to ground me. Aura ring. [laughter]
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>> It It does humble you sometimes. >> It does. I love my aura ring. >> I know. And this is not an ad, but I
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love mine, too. I got you on to it. And I There's this thing where you can connect with other people, but I refuse
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to connect with you because we will get way too competition. >> Even though we're not connected, we're
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like, "What's your sleep score last night? Mine's better." >> John has one, too. and his was two
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points above mine this morning and I was like, "Fuck you." >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] you. And you're two points this
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morning. >> It makes you want to like fist fight someone. >> Yeah, I get it. >> He got the crown. It gives you a little
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crown if you're at optimal and I didn't get the crown cuz I was 84. I think you have to be 85.
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>> Oh, that makes sense. Drew is like a Apple Watch guy. And now that we have Doolo, he gets so He's like, "I walked
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like seven miles today." >> And you're like, "Shut up. >> Shut up. >> Don't say that to me. Don't cuz I don't
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walk in that much. >> I know. I got to get off my ass. >> I need to do more hot girl walks. Do you
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know that they say that sitting is the new smoking? >> I believe it. >> And I did a lot of smoking back in the
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day. So, I can't be continuing to sit and and smoke. >> I just want to get up and enjoy the fall
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weather. >> I know. >> I mean, not today or the next day. >> We're in the middle of like a nor easter
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here in Massachusetts. But, you know, >> I one thing about me though, I love a noraster. Oh, my one of my kids said
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there's a 100% chance of a thunderstorm today and I said, "I love you so much. Thank you for telling that information."
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You know what though? Disappointing cuz I haven't heard one [ __ ] clap of thunder.
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>> Day isn't over yet. >> Big big truce. >> It's only the afternoon. >> I was going to say big facts and I said
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big truce. >> Big big truth. >> Big truth out here. Big feelings. Big things. >> All right. I think we've talked enough.
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>> I think we have cuz this has been absolute nonsense. >> People are like, "Hey guys, are you
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drunk?" No. We had a more unhinged conversation before we pressed record. [laughter]
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>> Yeah, that will not see the light of day. That's not That's not for the listener.
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>> No, it's not. >> I don't even remember what we said, honestly. >> I do. [laughter]
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>> I won't be sharing it. >> It was It was about a couple things. Anyway, >> it was about a couple things.
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>> I'm going to talk about a couple things. Just kidding. It's really one thing and
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it's a haunting. >> A haunting? I say I say it's the Hayrick family haunting. >> Oh, I don't know. Rick,
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>> I did an ether. Shout out to Dave. He knew of them. David always knows. >> And he said, "Let's do this cat this
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case, Ash." And I said, "Okay." Okay, Dev. >> Okay, Dev, I'll [laughter] do whatever
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you say. I texted him. I said, "Boy, this was a good one." >> So, did he say indeed?
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>> Uh, let's see. Let's see. >> What [laughter] did >> I'll tell you exactly what he said?
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Maybe not exactly, but I'll tell you what he said. He said that story spins out of control eventually, but early on
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it's pretty creepy. [laughter] I love that he's like, "It goes off the rails, but good luck."
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>> It does in like a fun way, sort of. All right, so let's talk about it. >> Throughout the summer of 1989, Andy and
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Lisa Hyrick, they had spent months looking for a nice, affordable house for themselves and their three-year-old
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daughter, Heidi. And they were looking in Harris County, Georgia. They were a young family. They were living on a
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single, pretty modest income. So everything that they had seen so far felt very out of reach. was not going to
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be doable. Even in like the smaller rural parts of the c county, it just wasn't working out.
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>> Rural jury >> rural was so hard to say. >> So they started to feel like the situation was pretty hopeless. They were
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like, I don't know about this. >> But then in the fall, they were shown a small ranch house in Ellersley, which is
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in central West Georgia. It's like an unincorporated town. >> Oh, okay. >> I didn't know what that was, so I
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Googled it. >> It means they don't have a town government. >> Yeah, they're just reckless. Yeah,
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there's like no that means there there's no um like post office. There's no police officers.
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>> Yeah, they don't give a [ __ ] >> It's a little bit scary. >> They said we're unincorporated.
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>> They are. They're off the grid. >> Incorporated. >> Exactly. So, according to the realtor,
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the people who lived there before had abandoned the house a few months earlier. >> I feel like that's a red flag.
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>> It's the biggest. Uh so, obviously, the bank foreclosed it and that was why it
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was being offered at such a low price. Oh, >> yeah. So, they didn't want to waste the
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only realistic opportunity that had come across their plate in months. So, Andy and Lisa, they talked it over and they
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decided to put in an offer. >> I get it. They're young. They're young family. They need a place to live.
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>> Roll the dice. >> Yeah. So, luckily, their offer was accepted a few days later.
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>> And Andy said, "I was happy. I wasn't but 21 years old. Had bought my own house. I thought I was really
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something." Hell yeah, Andy. You were really something. >> You were. That's crazy. I wasn't 21 when
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I bought my house. >> No. So, go Andy. Good on you, Andy and Lisa. So, for a young couple just
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starting out in life, their new house was everything that they wanted it to be. The only downside was that the
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neighborhood was made up of a lot of older couples, so there wasn't really any kids for Heidi to play with, which
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kind of sucked. >> That's like a double-edged sword cuz it's like, yeah, there's no kids to play
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with, but like old people as your neighbors. >> Oh, hell yeah. >> A+ like their their neighborhood watch.
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>> Depending on the brand of old people. That's true. You get like really friendly old people who have candy in
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their purse and like will wave at you when you cross the road and stuff or you get really grumpy old people that don't
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like what you do with your house and they like yell at you about it. >> That's true.
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>> Yeah, but like [ __ ] those old people. >> I was like, do you have anything else to
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say? [laughter] >> Do you have anything else to say on the old people? >> I just said valid.
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>> You said good point. >> I just really like that old people are always in everybody's business.
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>> I lived in an old people neighborhood once and it was great. >> Yeah. Everybody minded their own
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business. And >> I highly recommend it. >> Yeah, there's a really good remember the
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Halloween party. >> Yeah, >> that's that's all I'm thinking about. >> Super cute. And the neighborhood watch
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of it all. >> Yeah, I love >> They're always like, "What the [ __ ] is that car doing down here?" Like, I love
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that. >> That's also just me. >> Some of my neighbors are super old and they're just like, they know everything.
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We got a group chat going on. I love it. >> Wow. You have a group chat? >> Oh, hell yeah. My whole neighborhood.
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>> We know the second somebody comes in this neighborhood that doesn't belong, we're like, "Who the [ __ ] is that car?"
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And everybody's like, "Oh, that's my cousin. Don't worry about it." >> I'm a little too antisocial for a group
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chat neighborhood. >> Oh, it's not a group neighborhood group chat. >> The best part is about this group chat
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is we all are that way. So, it's literally like, "What the [ __ ] is that car doing there?" And somebody's like,
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"Oh, this person's having a party. Don't worry about it." And it's like, "Cool. >> That's it. That's it.
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>> That's it." >> But I love when I'll get the like, "What car is that?" I'm like, "Yeah, yeah,
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what car is that?" [laughter] >> Well, okay. So, this this neighborhood was full of old people, so there was
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nobody for Heidi to play with, which stunk. >> That sucks. And you know, it meant that
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Heidi spent a lot more time playing by herself than her parents would have preferred, but she seemed happy enough.
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She didn't really seem to mind being alone, so they didn't really think about it that much. One afternoon though, a
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few months after moving into the new house, Heidi asked her mom if she could go outside and play, and Lisa was like,
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"Yeah, totally. It's the '9s. Stay in the yard." >> Mhm. >> And then from where she was standing at
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the kitchen sink, Lisa could see that Heidi was sitting on the grass, and it looked like she was just having a tea
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party with her dolls. And a few minutes passed and when uh when Lisa looked up again, Heidi had appeared beside her in
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the kitchen and she asked if it was okay if she went on the swings to play with the man.
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>> No. No. >> Yeah. >> The answer is no. >> Uh so the question caused Lisa's stomach
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to drop immediately and she was like, "What now? >> What man?" >> Years later, she told a reporter that
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her immediate thought was obviously that somebody was trying to kidnap her daughter.
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>> Yep. So, she looked out the window toward the swing that was hanging from an old tree, but she didn't see anybody,
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but she was concerned that now somebody was lurking outside. So, she told her daughter to stay put, and she went into
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full mama bear mode, grabbed a huge knife from the kitchen drawer, and slowly walked out into the yard just
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frantically looking in every direction for who she needed to stab. >> Yeah, cuz if some man is asking my child
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to play on the swings, I am going to stab them. >> Yeah, that's fair. That's it.
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>> It's called self-defense. Look it up. >> It's called being a mom. This isn't professional advice, but
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>> Yeah. No, it's just what I'm going to do. I don't give a [ __ ] what you do. I'm
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just I'm doing that. >> I would I would Yeah. >> You're You're a man who asked my child
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to do anything. I'm going to stab you. >> Yeah. I love that. >> Put that on a shirt.
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>> That's it. [laughter] >> So, she's out there. She's like looking around for who to stab. And it was only
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when a neighbor passing in the car stopped to ask if she was okay that she realized how bizarre she looked
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[laughter] just creeping around with a knife. >> Exactly. >> That's awesome. >> So, she was like, "Oh, yeah, yeah. Like,
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I'm fine." and she didn't find anybody, so she just went back inside. In the kitchen, she called her husband and was
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like, "Uh, hey, you need to get the [ __ ] home immediately." She was like, "I didn't see whoever it was that
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approached Heidi, but a man approached her and asked her to play, so please get home ASAP."
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>> She waited and she sat Heidi down and talked to her about the importance of not talking to strangers, not playing
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with strangers. >> Good parenting. >> Yeah. >> And then about an hour later, a half
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hour later, Andy got home and Lisa filled him in again on what happened. He shared his wife's concerns and he
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grabbed a pistol from the gun cabinet and also went out into the yard. >> Honestly,
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>> he searched >> just parenting up in these parts. >> Yeah. He searched the entire property.
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He even went as far as to go in his truck and drive around the neighborhood. >> Love these people.
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>> Like he was like, I will find who asked my daughter to play. >> Yeah. >> He said later he said I didn't know if
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he was trying to lure her off, abduct her, kidnap her because you don't know about people these days. But I never and
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he said but I never did find nothing. >> No. And that was in like the early 90s.
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Yeah, >> they didn't know about people in those days. >> Welcome to 2025, my friend. You really
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don't know about people these days. >> Exactly. I love that they just went full send, though.
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>> Yeah, as you should. Let let that person know >> you don't ask my kid to do anything or
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I'm coming at you with a pistol and a knife. >> Yeah. And my truck. >> Yeah. And my truck.
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>> And my truck. [laughter] >> So, as the weeks passed and Lisa and Andy's concern subsided a bit, they let
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Heidi go outside and play by herself again in the yard. It was the '9s. Not long after she would have done that, but
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you know, not long after she started talking about a new man and she called him Mr. Gordy. According to Heidi, Mr.
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Gordy was a very nice older man who would come by the house whenever she was outside. She said he was average height,
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gray hair, and he always wore a dark suit. >> Okay. So, the mention of Mr. Gordy
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raised the her parents' concerns about predators, obviously. >> Indeed. >> But Heidi didn't seem afraid of this
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man. She actually seemed pretty enthusiastic about having a new friend and she just would talk about Mr. Gordy
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constantly. Lisa said she would tell me that Mr. Gordy had come to her when she was in bed and talk to her. He would sit
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on the bed and just sit there and talk to her. >> Okay. >> Mhm. Okay. I mean, he said seems seems
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like a nice guy. Yeah, because obviously he's not real. [laughter] >> So, where is he?
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>> I would assume. I don't know. Unless he's coming in a room at night. I don't know. So, in the days that followed, she
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checked in uh Lisa checked in with neighbors and asked if the name and description sounded familiar, but none
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of her neighbors knew anybody by that name, and they hadn't seen any unfamiliar old men in the area.
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>> Mr. Gordy's around. >> Yeah, exactly. So, she was like, "All right, maybe this is kind of like an
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imaginary friend." >> Yeah, like Skeleton. >> Yeah, like Skeleton, Luke Skywalker,
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Naughty Martha. >> Yep. >> So, whenever either of her parents would ask where Mr. Gordy lived, Heidi would
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point to the sky and say, "Up." Oh yeah. Okay. Still, Lisa, this is >> the hard part of parenting. Just
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>> Yeah, I [laughter] know. This is the [ __ ] I'm not looking forward. >> You really got to keep it together and
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be like, "Cool. Awesome. I am not terrified at all." >> Yeah. >> Well, and that's the thing. Lisa wasn't
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entirely convinced that there was nothing to be worried about. So, she stayed vigilant. She said after she
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described him, I kept my eye on her a lot. A lot more than I normally would have.
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>> Good for them. Good parenting. >> Yeah. So, as time passed, Mr. Gordy just was a regular fixture in the house.
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Heidi would bring up the the subject of her friend on a daily basis. They even would humor her when she brought him up.
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They'd set an extra plate at lunch for Mr. Gordy. >> That's nice. >> It is. Uh Lisa said, "I didn't see any
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harm in having an imaginary friend, especially when she didn't have anybody else to play with."
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>> A >> but privately she did start to wonder if it was healthy for Heidi to be so
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consumed by somebody who wasn't real. >> There's a fine line. >> That's the thing. And I think they were
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specifically worried because she didn't really she's three so she's not like in I don't know if she was in like
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preschool or daycare really. It doesn't sound like >> see a ton of other kids right now. So
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>> right so they're like is this okay? So one afternoon a few months after they moved in Heidi was playing in the living
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room alone when she heard a faint knocking at the door and she jumped up, ran over and she opened the door to find
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a man she didn't recognize standing before her. She said he seemed confused and upset and that his shirt was covered
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in blood. >> Oh. And so she asked him who he was and she's thought he said that his name was
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Con and she was like, "Are you hurt? Do you need help?" But he didn't respond. He just kept staring at her.
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>> Close that door. >> Yeah. Close that door. >> Lock that door. Call someone. >> So needless to say, the presence of a
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bloody man obviously made Heidi uneasy. She's a little girl. >> Yeah. >> So she ran into the kitchen and she told
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her mom there was somebody at the door covered in blood. [snorts] >> And at first, Lisa thought that she was
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talking about Mr. Gordy. But when she said when Heidi was like, "No, I don't know this man." and he's covered in
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blood. Lisa was like, "Oh, okay." Like her heart sank. Oh, boy. She told a reporter later, Heidi said he was
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wearing a blood soaked white t-shirt with a bandage on his arm and that he was younger than Mr. Gordy and scarier.
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Oh yeah. So that feeling of terror that she felt when Heidi first mentioned Mr. Gordy was back. And for the second time
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in a matter of months, she grabbed a kitchen knife and ran out into the yard. >> Damn.
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>> But again, she found nothing. She said, "I felt kind of stupid looking for something that didn't really exist,
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something that might have been made up, so I just kind of played it off when she
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would talk about him, and I'd laugh with her and agree with whatever she had to say."
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>> Yeah, cuz what the [ __ ] do you do at this point? >> You go to a child psychologist.
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>> This is six sense [ __ ] >> That's exact That's all I could think of. >> Yeah. So, the weeks went on and Heidi
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didn't mention Khan again, the the bloody man. >> I don't like Con. >> Yeah, it's scary. So,
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>> I was going to say, is there more to Con? >> I don't know. More to come for Khan.
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>> Yeah, hang just hang with hang. Okay. >> So, yeah, she didn't mention him again.
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So, Lisa and Andy just assumed whatever it was that had led their daughter to make up such an alarming story had
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passed. >> Yeah. >> You know, kids, especially like little kids, make up stories all the time. They
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say weird [ __ ] that we are like, "What are you talking about?" >> Can confirm.
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>> So, they were like, you know, she just has a really active imagination. >> Yeah.
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>> And she didn't seem scared anymore. She started talking about Mr. Gordy again.
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So, it didn't seem like a ton of reason to be super concerned. >> Yeah, Mr. Gord's back. So,
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>> yeah, they were just like, "All right, that was [ __ ] weird. I guess we won't
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like return her just yet." >> Yeah. >> So, initially, the mention of these two fictitious characters by Heidi had
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scared them, especially since the second of the two was covered in blood. >> Yeah.
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>> But when neither man appeared to frighten her or freak her out in any way, they just decided to follow her
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lead, not make a big deal of it. Mr. Gordy remained a fixture, but she stopped kind of talking about the bloody
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man. So they figured, you know, this all passed. But that calm in the home was finally disrupted about 14 months after
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they moved in when Heidi started talking about a new character. Unlike Mr. Gordy,
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who was her kind companion or Con, who, you know, his appearance kind of seemed to be a fluke. The description of this
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new man was vague and very threatening. >> She didn't bring him up as often as she
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talked about Mr. Gordy. But when he did come up, it was very clear to Lisa and Andy that the presence of this guy
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terrified Heidi. Whoever or whatever she was seeing, she said he would always appear in shadowy parts of the house.
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>> Wearing all black, that they had a hood pulled tightly around a face that she
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could never quite describe. >> Yeah. >> And for the first time since they moved in a year earlier, she started to feel
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unsafe. Like she was telling her parents she was scared. >> Oh, I hate that. She started sleeping in
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their bed for weeks and when they finally could get her back into her room, she wouldn't go to sleep if the
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lights were turned off. Like, she was genuinely terrified. >> Oh, no. >> Yeah. [music]
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So, for the first year, she seemed happy to play by herself, you know, occupying
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her time with Mr. Gordy, tea parties, that kind of thing. And to Lisa, that seemed like it was enough to compensate
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for the lack of kids in her life. But after this latest imaginary character, she started to wonder if Heidi's
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imagination had created more dramatic imaginary figures as a way to get her parents attention. And she was like, I
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think we need to do something about this. >> Yeah. >> So, she was concerned that her daughter
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didn't have enough of a support system. So, she turned to her family. >> She'd always been really close with her
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family. And since they moved to the new house in Ellersley, she hadn't been able
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to see them as much as she would liked or would have liked to. So when the house next door went up for sale, she
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called her sister Joyce and was like, "Hey, there's a house for sale." >> [ __ ] you want to move in?
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>> What if you moved in next door? Joyce and her husband weren't even in the market for a house at this point, but
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they were like, "It'd be pretty cool to live so close to like my sister and my niece, so let's do it." So they bought
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the house. >> That's sick. So, not long after Joyce and her husband moved in, Joyce started
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actually noticing that Heidi was talking to herself in the yard a lot and she was
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like, "That was weird." Like, I was a little bit concerned about that. >> She asked Lisa about it, and Lisa was
00:20:21
like, "Yeah, like I think she has an imaginary friend." She kind of like plays with him all the time.
00:20:25
>> And she explained that Heidi's imaginary friends were actually one of the reasons
00:20:29
that she wanted Joyce to move closer in the first place. She was like, you know,
00:20:33
maybe she'll rely a little bit on her, a little bit less on her imagination. And they also decided to get Heidi a
00:20:39
dog. They got a mixed breed shepherd that they named Sheba. >> Oh, Sheba. >> Sheba. Sheba's here.
00:20:44
>> So, one afternoon about a month after Joyce and her husband moved in, the previous owner of the house, Miss Kelly,
00:20:50
that's how she's known. >> Excuse me. >> They're from the south, so they're like
00:20:53
that's like Miss Kelly, you know. >> So, she stopped by with some documents related to the house that she thought
00:20:58
Joyce might want to hang on to. And Joyce was kind of just like flicking through a folder of documents. and she
00:21:03
stopped when a signature on Miss Kelly's mother's estate jumped out at her. Mr. James S. Gordy.
00:21:12
>> Mr. Gordy is real. >> Shut the [ __ ] up. So immediately she's like that's weird cuz that's
00:21:20
>> He's lovely. >> Yeah. Well, she's like that's weird. Like that's my niece's imaginary
00:21:23
friend's name. Like what are the odds? >> So she asked Miss Kelly who the man was
00:21:27
and she's like what does his name mean here? And Miss Kelly explained that James Gordy had been a lifelong family
00:21:33
friend and he was actually the executive of her mother's estate when she passed.
00:21:38
[ __ ] Yeah. And uh he was her business manager, kind of like a de facto caretaker of the estate.
00:21:44
>> Wow. >> So Gordy lived just a few houses down from this family with his wife Francis
00:21:50
until 1974 when they moved to Columbus. Joyce said, "I had this big great knot in my throat because that was the first
00:21:57
time we had seen the name. I immediately thought, I wonder if this is the same Gordy that Heidi's been talking about.
00:22:02
Holy [ __ ] So, Miss Kelly described Mr. Gordy, and it was like Heidi herself was
00:22:07
describing him. He was a kind older man. He had silver gray hair, and he always wore a dark suit.
00:22:14
>> Holy [ __ ] >> Which is exactly what Heidi said. So, Joyce was like, "Okay, you know, like
00:22:18
maybe I can put this mystery of her imaginary friend to rest, but >> don't worry, it's just a ghost."
00:22:24
>> That's the thing. Like, she's like, "That's [laughter] not super calming. Don't worry, it's not an imaginary
00:22:28
friend. It's just a [ __ ] ghost. >> Yeah. Well, and also she was like, "Is she seeing this guy? Like, he lives a
00:22:33
couple houses down. Maybe like he tootses by and is like, "Oh, like hello." And goes about his day.
00:22:37
>> Is he dead? >> Well, she didn't know yet. >> Didn't even think of that. >> She didn't know yet. So, she was like,
00:22:42
"Oh, okay. Like, where does he live now?" Like you said, he moved to Columbus. >> And Miss Kelly looked at her and was
00:22:47
like, "James Gordy died in 1974." >> Okay, good. I'm glad he's not just driving by being like, "Hi, little girl.
00:22:53
You want to play on a swing?" Cuz I'd be like, "That's scary." Yeah, that'd be pretty
00:22:56
>> Somehow that's scarier than him being a ghost. >> I'd rather him be a ghost. >> Yeah, I would much rather that.
00:23:00
>> Yeah, cuz I think he's just being like, "You got some crazy [ __ ] in this house.
00:23:04
Like, let me hang around and make sure it's okay." >> Let me protect you, >> Mr. Gordy. Yeah.
00:23:08
>> For life. I love it. >> Yeah. >> So, later that day, Joyce told Lisa what she heard. O,
00:23:13
>> including the part about Mr. Gordy having died more than two decades earlier.
00:23:16
>> Yeah, about that. >> And Lisa was like, "Uh, so my four-year-old's just hanging out with a
00:23:21
ghost? like I don't know if I believe that. >> But she also couldn't help but be
00:23:26
curious about the lead that her sister had uncovered. So she went to the library and she started scrolling
00:23:31
through the microfich of the local paper from 1974 until she found James Gord's obituary. And it was exactly what Joyce
00:23:39
had said. He had been a fixture in their small community all his life. He lived just a few houses down and he had died
00:23:45
in 1974. James Gordy. So Lisa was like, "Okay, like what's that mean for my family and my daughter that she's
00:23:52
hanging out with a ghost?" Like, "What the fuck?" But she decided that she needed to tell Heidi who he really was.
00:23:58
Like she wanted to be honest with her. >> So she sat her down and she said, "It's
00:24:03
kind of hard to describe the feeling that you have." I said, "Heidi, Mr. Gordy has passed away. He's not a real
00:24:08
person." And she said, "Well, mama, he's real to me. He's as real as you are." Whoa. Isn't that wild? He's also
00:24:15
adorable. James Gordy is adorable. >> Look at this man. Just like imagine him just being like, "Hey,
00:24:21
>> hey girl. I'll push you on the way." He was like he was like, "I won't let that
00:24:24
weird demon guy near you." >> Yeah. Like Mr. Gordy. I love that she's like as real as you, mama. I'd be like,
00:24:29
"Whoa." >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Whoa. >> But it's so cool to think about though cuz like she wasn't seeing him as like
00:24:35
>> the spooky ghost character. >> Yeah. Or like like translucent or anything like that in any way. Just like
00:24:41
fullbodied real human. Like that's crazy to me. >> That's wild. >> Right. >> Yeah. So she was like she didn't even
00:24:46
believe that he was dead and she was like no like and obviously she doesn't really understand the concept of ghost.
00:24:52
>> Yeah. She's like whatever. >> So after the revelation that Mr. Gordy was probably a ghost, Lisa and Andy were
00:24:58
no longer convinced it was a great idea for Heidi to invest a lot in her relationship with him,
00:25:04
>> imaginary or otherwise. Lisa said years later, "What do you do when you think
00:25:07
your child is seeing something that you can't see? You can't even talk to them and say, "Leave her alone. Go back to
00:25:12
where you came from." >> Yeah. So when Heidi learned that Mr. Gordy had died, she actually asked her
00:25:18
parents if they could go see his grave. She was like, I don't know if he died. Like he looks as real as you do.
00:25:23
>> So Lisa was like, okay. Like maybe it will help the process of her letting him
00:25:28
go. Like I don't know. >> There's nothing in the parenting handbook that tells you how to handle
00:25:32
these situations. So I think I think they're doing a great job so far. >> I [laughter] hope so, too.
00:25:35
>> Like they're doing what they can do. >> And she's like, "We don't want her to be
00:25:38
like attached to this man." And like, >> but you also don't want to like rip the
00:25:41
idea away from her and be like, "No, you can't for, you know, like this is >> hard." And like, she's a four-year-old,
00:25:48
so she's not really fully understanding life and death. No. So, they're like, "Well, when you die, like you you go
00:25:54
here." You know, like she's like, "Let me see." Exactly. So, a few days later, Lisa, Heidi, and Lisa's father-in-law
00:26:00
drove to the cemetery where Mr. Gordy was buried. and the car had barely come to a stop and Heidi jumped out of the
00:26:07
back seat and ran straight to Mr. Gord's grave. >> She was 4 years old. >> She could not read and obviously she
00:26:18
hadn't memorized the layout of a [ __ ] cemetery. >> No, >> but she knew the exact location of his
00:26:24
grave >> and ran over to it. >> I think she's seeing Mr. Gordy, guys. >> I She absolutely is. I'm like, "Was he
00:26:32
over there?" Like, he's just like, "Hey, I'm over here." >> Like, makes sense. >> Hello.
00:26:38
>> Yeah. >> So, Lisa and Andy are like, "All right, like we don't really know how to process
00:26:42
this. Like, we're not having a great time out here." >> No. >> But at the same time, they were like,
00:26:46
"Well, it doesn't seem like she's distressed about it." >> That's the thing. >> So, they were like, "Okay, like I guess
00:26:50
you can be nice >> with Ghosty Gordy." >> Yeah. Well, hey, it's what I did with Skeleton. I was like, "He's a nice guy."
00:26:56
What you say? >> But that's like so different that imagine finding out Skeleton's backstory
00:27:01
and that he lived like a few houses down a few decades ago. >> I mean, that'd be crazy.
00:27:04
>> That would rock your [ __ ] >> That would rock my world. >> And you'd be like, should you hang out
00:27:08
with should this grown man ghost be hanging out with my kid? >> That's the thing.
00:27:12
>> Like, that's a lot. >> That's a lot to take up. >> That's a lot to swallow. But at the same
00:27:15
time, like like I just said, she didn't seem stressed. And she also hadn't brought up Con very much lately or that
00:27:22
other dark figure that really scared her. So they were like, I guess this benevolent spirit is a better
00:27:28
alternative. >> Going to go with it. >> Yeah. But a few months after finding the
00:27:31
grave at the cemetery, all of that would change. And Lisa was like, I think that
00:27:37
there's something more happening here. >> So one night in spring of 1990, Lisa and
00:27:42
her niece Kelly were just sitting in the living room at the Hywork House. They were actually arranging flowers for an
00:27:46
upcoming wedding and they started hearing weird noises in the kitchen. Sheba, their dog, who was just Sheba,
00:27:53
>> who was lying on the floor beside the couch, got up and went into the kitchen.
00:27:57
So they were like, "Okay, like we're not crazy." Like Sheba hears it, too. >> And a few moments later, Lisa and Kelly
00:28:03
could hear Sheba growling and snarling. >> Ooh. >> So they were like, "What the fuck?" So
00:28:08
they go in the kitchen. They try to see what it is. And there was nothing there.
00:28:13
Kelly said it was like Sheba could see something, but we couldn't see anything. That was terrifying. A few days later,
00:28:19
Sheba ran away and never came back. Are you [ __ ] kidding me? Shea ran away and they literally never saw Sheba
00:28:28
again. >> I have two things to say about that. One, holy [ __ ] that's terrifying, too.
00:28:33
What a shitty dog. [laughter] What a [ __ ] dog. >> Well, he was a puppy. I can tell you
00:28:40
right now, Blanch is Blanch would [ __ ] an otherworldly creature up for me. Honestly, I I was like,
00:28:49
>> "That's a shitty dog." >> I know. I was like, "It's a puppy." But >> that dog just abandoned his family.
00:28:55
>> Well, whatever he saw must have been really scary. >> Yeah. And he said, "You guys can deal
00:28:58
with it. Good luck." Like, what the [ __ ] What kind of dog did they get? >> He said, "Listen, you're the parents."
00:29:03
>> Damn. >> I know. Dolo last night was literally bar. We have like like a front room area
00:29:08
in our house and it's like super dark and she was just barking into the abyss of the dark room for no there was no
00:29:14
>> she was like I'll [ __ ] someone up for >> so I I fully think she she would go
00:29:17
crazy. >> Blanch again I think I've said this before. Blanch will wear John's skin if
00:29:22
she could. Like she loves John so much. She loves John more than anything has ever loved.
00:29:27
>> John [clears throat] leaves and she goes and sits on a chair that faces the driveway and waits for him to come back.
00:29:32
>> Like she she wants to wear him. She loves him. If he jokes about like poking me or tickling me, she will dive from
00:29:42
the other room, come running in, and she will literally like growl, bark, jump on
00:29:48
him, like like literally go to bite him until he walks away. >> Yeah. >> And then she's like, "Love you." But
00:29:54
she's like, "Don't [ __ ] touch her." Like she is my girl. And if and if he like play tickles the girls too, she
00:30:03
attacks them. Like she will not let anyone touch us. That [ __ ] my girl Bl I mean Sydney might sleep through the
00:30:10
whole thing. She would never leave. Blanch [ __ ] something up. She would that [ __ ] would never leave me to deal with
00:30:17
a ghost. I'm really upset about treatment. >> I know you're big mad mad >> because that dogs I know
00:30:24
>> in general >> I know >> will lay down their life for you. Like they just once you're their family I'm
00:30:29
like damn. I mean >> like wow she I feel it. That's the I that's what I feel like this whatever
00:30:35
she saw had to be really bad. >> It certainly did. >> Like so so bad. >> Yeah. >> Like maybe even Blanchch and Sydney
00:30:41
would like at least No, like I didn't say run away and you never see them again, [laughter] but they would tuck
00:30:46
their tails. >> They would, you know. >> Yeah, I could see that. >> You never know.
00:30:50
>> For sure. >> So, here's the thing. >> Really upset about >> that. Really sucked that they never saw
00:30:54
she again. [laughter] >> That's a lot. It was also the first time that somebody other than Heidi had seen
00:30:59
or heard something supernatural in the house since they'd moved in like a year and a half earlier. Yeah.
00:31:04
>> And that fact frightened the [ __ ] out of Lisa. She was like, "I [ __ ] hate
00:31:07
this." >> Yeah. >> So, wanting to learn as much as she could out about the property, she called
00:31:12
Miss Kelly. Miss Kelly? >> Yeah. The previous owner of her sister's house if you didn't remember. And she
00:31:17
asked if she would come over for a visit. Miss Kelly's family had lived in the area for like generations. So Lisa
00:31:22
was like, "If anybody knows anything about what's going on here, it's going to be Miss Kelly." So Miss Kelly told
00:31:28
her that she'd never seen anything unusual and never had any kind of supernatural experiences on or around or
00:31:33
around the property. And as far as she knew, no one in her family had either. So she was like, "Can't really help you
00:31:39
there. >> Sorry." >> But what she did do was she brought a photo album that had pictures of like of
00:31:45
the property that proved to be vital to solving one mystery. Hm. >> Lisa and Heidi were just like flipping
00:31:51
through the album of old photos and Heidi stopped at one black and white photo and it showed a group of five men
00:31:59
standing in front of a house that Lisa recognized as her sister's house next door. And Heidi pointed to one of the
00:32:04
men in the photo and said, "That's Con, the one with the blood on his shirt." What? Like pointed him out. So Miss
00:32:11
Kelly looked at the photo and she was like, "Oh, that's my uncle. His name is Lawn."
00:32:17
Oh my god. >> That's crazy. >> That's weird. >> That's literally crazy. >> Yeah.
00:32:22
>> His name was Lon Bachelor and when he was a teenager, he got his arm caught in
00:32:26
a cotton gin. >> And it was torn off just below the elbow. >> Oh. >> And he lived on the property until his
00:32:33
death in 1957. >> What the? So, she had literally like experienced some kind of residual
00:32:39
haunting >> cuz he ran next door and like knocked on the door obviously cuz Heidi opened the
00:32:44
door and he was asking for help and his elbow was like bandaged and he was covered in blood.
00:32:49
>> Oh my god. >> So, like that's fully a [ __ ] residual haunting. >> That's terrifying.
00:32:53
>> And the fact that like she got his name so close >> and it's I mean it's a four-year-old so
00:32:57
or like a three-year-old at the time so she probably just like >> Yeah. >> you know repeated it wrong but of course
00:33:02
>> that's [ __ ] crazy. >> That's terrifying. And Lisa was like, "Yeah, this is so scary because now two
00:33:08
imaginary friends have turned out to confirm." Like, that's the thing. She said, "Just to know the fact that he
00:33:14
passed away and had lived on the land scared me to death." >> Yeah. >> But it also suggested that maybe there
00:33:19
was other entities lurking about the property, including the dark figure that she was absolutely terrified of.
00:33:25
[ __ ] >> And a few nights later, those fears became even more real. So days later,
00:33:31
Andy was out of the house and this one just [ __ ] ruins me. So Andy's not home. Lisa gets out of the shower and
00:33:37
she's blowdrying her hair in the bedroom and Heidi was sitting in uh her parents'
00:33:40
bedroom just like looking at a book and the bathroom's connected. So at one point, Heidi stopped looking at the book
00:33:46
and she crawled to the end of the bed to get her mom's attention in the bathroom.
00:33:50
And Lisa was like, "Yeah, like what's up?" And Heidi goes, "Are you sure you won't be scared if I tell you this?"
00:33:55
>> Nope. >> And I promise that, babe. >> Lisa was like, "Yeah, totally." like, "What's up, girl?" Heidi looked her mom
00:34:02
dead in the eyes and whispered, "There's a man behind you." >> Oh. Oh, I would. We would go I would run out
00:34:12
of the house. We'd be going to Wendy's to get a faux fo. >> I would get that [ __ ] out. I would need
00:34:17
a faux fo. >> I would cry. >> I would run out of the home. I don't care in what state of dress I was in.
00:34:24
Grab your robe and go. That would be one of those situations where as a parent, you just sit there and I think one
00:34:30
single tear would probably escape my eye and I would probably just stand there and be like,
00:34:36
>> "Yeah, >> yeah." [laughter] >> Is real? Like >> I What do you do? What do you do? You
00:34:43
just like what? >> Where is he? >> It was like when the girls told me about the kids, the people with the scissors
00:34:49
and I said, "Are they where are they?" And they said, "All around you." And I was like,
00:34:52
>> "Huh?" You were just standing in the middle of a >> you just you got to keep it together mob
00:34:57
of scissor carriers >> cuz you sit there and you're like, "Okay, what do I do here? Do I [ __ ] my
00:35:01
kid up or do I hold it together and maybe get my ass killed?" >> I think hold it together
00:35:08
scissored. I don't like It's I didn't know what was going to happen. I think Lisa, she was brave like you.
00:35:14
>> Yeah, you got to. >> But inside I think she was freaking out >> 100%. >> Yeah,
00:35:18
>> I would want to vomit all over myself. Well, the thing was it seemed like figuring out the real identities of Mr.
00:35:24
Gordy and Lawn kind of opened up like a door in the house and now it seemed like
00:35:28
they were just having terrifying experiences on the regular. >> So, she's like, "Cool, it's Tuesday."
00:35:33
>> Yeah. Love I love Tuesdays. So, a few months after Sheba had run away and just
00:35:37
a week or two after Heidi was like, "Hey, there's a man blowdrying her hair." >> Lisa and her [laughter]
00:35:43
I'm just dying at your hatred of Sheba. I'm real mad at Sheba. >> Giving dogs a bad name. [laughter] So, a
00:35:50
few weeks after that, Lisa and her niece Kelly had another scary experience. They
00:35:55
were sitting in the living room just chatting and they heard like a shuffling sound in the kitchen. And Sheibba wasn't
00:36:00
there to confirm anything. >> No, she wasn't. >> So, both of them looked up in the
00:36:04
direction of the dining room table just in time to see one of the chairs swing out from the table and slide toward them
00:36:11
from across the floor, stopping from like a few feet from where it had been. That also makes me think that this ghost
00:36:17
was just like, "Girls, >> I'm coming to sit. I want to join you. Who are we talking [laughter] about?
00:36:22
>> Talking about today." >> Yeah, right. >> I'd be like, "You wanna you want to just
00:36:26
chat? What's going on?" >> So scary. >> What do you do? >> I don't know. Well, and Kelly goes,
00:36:31
"When you're there in broad daylight and a chair just moves, you don't really have any alternative but to believe that
00:36:35
there's something in the house." >> Yeah. What else do you I mean, what else could that be? I mean, I'd have it just
00:36:41
swings out from the table and like scoots over to you. I'd be like, I okay, >> I'd be like, join us. Hey,
00:36:47
>> question mark. >> Do do you like want something to drink? Like, who do you talk [ __ ] about?
00:36:50
>> What's going on? >> What's what's your afterlife [laughter] issue? >> You got the hot goss of the afterlife.
00:36:56
>> So, after two years in the house or almost two years in the house during only which time like usually Heidi was
00:37:02
the one to see anything unusual and like the entities in the house, whatever they
00:37:07
were now, they were making their presence known to everybody in the house. And not long after Lisa and Kelly
00:37:12
experienced the chair moving on its own, Heidi started to see the dark entity moving around the house again.
00:37:18
>> Except this time, she was convinced that it wanted to hurt her. >> Oh, I hate that. One night, everybody
00:37:23
was asleep and Heidi went into her parents' bedroom and woke them up and said the dark man had been in her
00:37:28
bedroom and she was terrified. I would want to You just made me literally [ __ ]
00:37:33
my pants. I didn't actually [ __ ] my pants, but I truly almost [ __ ] my pants.
00:37:38
Michael, >> I'm sorry. Michael, you know what? You're fired. I [laughter] think my aura
00:37:43
ring is gonna be like, "Oh, you died." Like, I think it's gonna be like, "Oh, rip you." My heart stopped. Mine felt
00:37:51
like it kind of exploded throughout my body. Literally, >> it was just like a firework. Like, it
00:37:56
just stopped. It was like, "Oh, you should be dead." >> Our our music is creepy.
00:38:00
>> It is. Damn. >> Especially during this kind of thing. My god. Also, I would [ __ ] I'd want to
00:38:06
kill that shadow man. >> I know he's probably already dead, but I would want to bring him back to life so
00:38:12
I could kill him again. >> You want to kill him now? >> You're in my kid's room. I'll [ __ ] your
00:38:17
world up, buddy. >> Not only was he in her room this time, they saw fresh scratches on her cheek.
00:38:24
>> Oh, it's on sight. >> They said it literally looked like an animal with claws had swiped at her.
00:38:29
>> It is on sight. >> So, I would burn that house to the ground. Oh, I would be out of there. I
00:38:34
would be out of there. >> Light it ablaze. >> But also, it's like they don't have like
00:38:39
a ton of money to buy another house. They got this house. Like they got a good deal on this house.
00:38:43
>> Cuz I was going to say just ask Esther Cox in the last story we did. She burned
00:38:47
down a barn and she stayed in jail for like a month. >> It's true. So >> she had she had supporters.
00:38:52
>> She did. >> This was a little more current. >> A little different. I [laughter] don't
00:38:54
know. >> A little different. >> I don't know if if the Georgians would take kindly burning their house down.
00:38:59
[laughter] But so this felt like this attack felt like a warning. >> Oh, yeah. >> And it was one they were like, "Yeah, I
00:39:05
hear you." That night they went over to Joyce's house and they stayed there until the next morning. [snorts]
00:39:10
>> If they hoped that a night away from the house would calm whatever was in Heidi's
00:39:13
room the night before, they were wrong. >> Yeah. >> The next night they all This is the I'm
00:39:17
like, "How are you guys going to sleep in here?" >> Yeah. No, you got to go somewhere else.
00:39:19
>> So, they go to bed. You're close to your family. Stay with family. >> I know. Andy wakes up in the middle of
00:39:24
the night to this burning intense pain in his side. He said he jumped out of bed and ran in the bathroom to look in
00:39:30
the mirror and he saw three scratches on his side that looked just like the scratches that had been on Heidi's face
00:39:36
the night before. Damn. Yeah. He said, "As soon as I woke up, my side was burning just like fire, and I had three
00:39:42
claw marks going up my side. I knew that something was doing it, but I didn't know what." Hate that. Hate it so much.
00:39:49
He woke up again the next night in the middle of the night, and this time there was even more scratches across his whole
00:39:55
body. Lisa said he had them down his back, his legs. These were deep, long gashes and it went on for several
00:40:01
nights. >> No. >> Like, how do you go to sleep after that happens? Even one time.
00:40:05
>> What are you supposed to do there? >> I don't know. I would I think I'd probably rather sleep in the backyard
00:40:09
than in the house. >> Yeah. No. >> I'd be like, "We're camping tonight." >> Yeah. I'd be like, "We're camping
00:40:13
forever. >> We live in our car now. [laughter] >> This is what we do now. >> We're van fam."
00:40:17
>> Yeah. So, after everything that had happened and everything they learned, Lisa and
00:40:21
Andy started to wonder if it was safe for them to stay in the house at all. Especially because Heidi was just
00:40:25
terrified at all times now. >> Yeah. >> But like I said, like they're living on limited means. They can't afford to
00:40:31
move. >> I know. That's the thing. It's not as easy as just like >> you can't live there anymore. Like,
00:40:36
nope. >> Well, and like I said, they got a deal on the house, so they would have
00:40:39
probably also taken a loss if they tried to if they tried to sell it. >> Yeah. [music]
00:40:57
So before taking, you know, a consequential step of defaulting on their mortgage, they decided to look for
00:41:02
somebody who might be able to help them and, you know, get the peace and calm in
00:41:08
the house again. Yeah. On a trip to the local library, Lisa started looking up organizations and people who studied the
00:41:14
paranormal. And one name that jumped out at her was Dr. William Rule. He has played like a huge part in the history
00:41:21
of paranormal investigation, especially more like modern-day investigations. He's a classically trained psychologist
00:41:27
and he's been involved in like some of the most high-profile paranormal investigations in the US, including the
00:41:33
alleged poltergeist in the home of a Seafford Long Island family and the investigation into the telekinetic
00:41:40
abilities of Tina Rash. Oh, yeah. >> I know. I I think we've talked about that case before.
00:41:44
>> Um, we've me Yeah, we have. >> Not on morbid, but I think you and I have like talked about it.
00:41:48
>> Um, and she was from Ohio, so he was at the forefront of the field since it started to kind of formalize in the
00:41:53
1950s. So Lisa was like, "I feel like there's really nobody better suited to help us."
00:41:58
>> Yeah. >> So she placed a call to his office. She kind of gave like a brief overview of
00:42:02
everything that had been happening. And later he said, "When Lisa called me, she
00:42:06
was definitely upset." It was an unusual case in my experience because Heidi described somebody she had never met.
00:42:13
But then Heidi described some frightening experiences followed by the scratches on her and her father. And
00:42:18
that's very rare in the type of investigation that I do. But based on everything he heard, he was like, "Hell
00:42:22
yeah, I want to I want to investigate this. >> Shit's going down." >> And a few weeks later, he was sitting
00:42:27
down with the family in their living room in Georgia. Just as he usually did at the start of his investigations, he
00:42:32
started by interviewing the members of the family alone and together so that he could get their accounts of what they
00:42:38
had seen and heard since moving in and, you know, confirm that everybody was kind of telling the truth. He said or in
00:42:44
his experience with working with children, he knew that they obviously had a tendency to make things up and
00:42:49
exaggerate, usually without understanding any kind of consequences. And he wanted to make sure that wasn't
00:42:55
what was happening here. But he said when I spoke to Heidi and I spoke to the whole family, they felt evidently sane.
00:43:01
So he said, "I think some [ __ ] was going on here." >> Yeah, >> they don't they don't seem cuckoo.
00:43:05
>> He said, "I think this shit's really happening." [laughter] So based on the interviews, he came to
00:43:09
the conclusion that to Heidi, the entities that she interacted with looked and felt like they were real people. She
00:43:15
said she could hear them, she could see them, she could touch them, and they looked to her just like any other adult
00:43:21
would look. >> And [snorts] that explained why a lot of them didn't really frighten her in the
00:43:26
way that, you know, a like an entity would. Yeah. >> Like the dark entity >> or like it might frighten an adult if
00:43:33
you saw a dead person. >> Yeah. >> So according to R Live people are scarier to me.
00:43:38
>> It depends on the [laughter] situation. Yeah, but you're not wrong. So, according to Ro, Heidi was experiencing
00:43:44
what he described as place memory events, >> which is events in people from the past
00:43:49
whose energy had been retained in the ether and somehow broke through into Heidi's reality.
00:43:55
>> Obsessed with this. >> He said she picked up those traces and in her mind constructed those persons
00:44:00
like Mr. Gordy. That's what makes this case to me so unique. He said when he showed Heidi a photo array of various
00:44:06
older men, she didn't hesitate to identify the one picture of James Gordy Wow that he incorporated into the mix.
00:44:12
So he was like she was absolutely seeing this man >> because Mr. Gordy, no offense to Mr.
00:44:18
Gordy, he looks like a lot of kind older gentlemen. >> Yeah. He's like a you know like
00:44:22
>> like I don't know if I could pick up very easily. So it's like but she's spending so much time with him that
00:44:27
she's like oh that's my guy. >> Yeah. >> That's crazy. And he's like she's like four too.
00:44:32
>> Yeah. She's literally 4 years old. And he's like he's showing her like older men to be like, do you just like think
00:44:37
that all old men are >> Mr. They all have silver hair? >> But it's like, no, this is the one and
00:44:42
she knows it. Damn. >> Like that's big. >> Yeah. >> So his theory of place memory is it's
00:44:47
like complicated, but essentially he believes that the energy of people and the environment gets stored in the
00:44:53
fabric of space and time. >> I love that. >> I'm I kind of like I'm like this is I
00:44:59
think he's on to something here. >> He makes a lot of sense. He says, "When there are major shifts in
00:45:03
electromagnetic fields, that energy can break through into the present and that can cause somebody to literally see a
00:45:10
person or place just like it appeared in the past." >> That That's different than anything
00:45:16
we've heard. >> That's It also kind of accounts for deja vu in a weird way. >> Yeah, a little bit.
00:45:20
>> What it made me think of >> Yeah. >> But he said when Heidi saw those people like Mr. Gordy or lawn in the aftermath
00:45:26
of his incident or his accident, William Ro believed that her mind created like a
00:45:31
narrative around what she was seeing to make sense of what she was seeing. >> Okay.
00:45:35
>> And in that sense, he explained to her parents that she wasn't technically seeing ghosts, at least not as somebody
00:45:42
might typically understand them. She was seeing a representation of something from the past.
00:45:47
>> Whoa. >> Which is fascinating. >> His way of describing it is like very fascinating. It gets even more
00:45:53
fascinating >> and like makes a lot of sense in a way like you're just like okay
00:45:58
>> does well because you and I say it a lot. I do think that ghosts are made up of energy. Like I think that's a big
00:46:05
part of it and I think it's like left cuz energy can't be destroyed. Created or destroyed. Exactly. So it's like I
00:46:11
think there is something in us that >> Yeah. >> is energy. >> It's got to go somewhere.
00:46:15
>> And that's the thing like it's got to continue on and it like goes into space
00:46:19
and time >> and like the ether. This is very Donnie Darko. >> It's so Donny Darko. That's what I was
00:46:24
thinking of. >> So to further build his case, he and his associates started actually taking
00:46:29
scientific measurements of the environment in and around the house. They read electromagnetic fields around
00:46:35
the house and they took temperature readings in all the different rooms. And he said the experience in a haunt site
00:46:40
includes drops in temperature and sometimes increases in temperature. So among other things, he was particularly
00:46:46
interested in Heidi's reports of seeing the dark entity around the house. And she usually saw him in her bedroom. And
00:46:53
in that room, he found that there was a strong a source of strong positive ions,
00:46:58
particularly in the spot right next to her bed, which is where she would see the the dark entity.
00:47:05
>> Okay. So, according to him and other paranormal investigators in general, large concentrations of positive ions
00:47:11
can have a negative experience on a person's mood and perception, and it can kind of cause us to hallucinate.
00:47:17
>> Wo. >> Yeah. And like think you see things that aren't there. >> I love the science of all this.
00:47:23
>> Isn't it so cool? >> Yeah. >> So, after finishing his investigation, he came to the conclusion that it wasn't
00:47:28
really ghosts or devils or demons causing the unusual experiences in the house. He said instead they were kind of
00:47:36
experiencing a sort of hallucination caused by the natural environment in and around the house.
00:47:42
>> Okay. But where did the scratches come from? >> That's the thing. [laughter] >> That's my next question.
00:47:46
>> We'll get there. He also learned that there was a seismic fault near the property that could also be affecting
00:47:51
the energy around the house and that what that could be what was causing the experiences in Heidi's room in
00:47:57
particular. >> Interesting. So he provided the Hyrix with a plausible explanation for you
00:48:03
know why they were seeing what they were seeing and he hoped that it would give their mind some peace. But you know Andy
00:48:10
and Lisa appreciated the efforts but they were a little bit unsatisfied because like you said the scratches.
00:48:15
>> Yeah. >> Andy said I think Dr. Ro is a smart man. I know what he said has got a lot to do
00:48:20
with it but I don't believe that's all there is to it. >> Yeah. Cuz you got to explain the
00:48:24
scratches. >> That's the thing. He couldn't include the scratches that appeared on Heidi or
00:48:28
the scratches that appeared on her father. So that's >> and he was like, "Yeah, like I can't."
00:48:33
>> Yeah. >> Don't know about I don't know about that. >> It reminds me when you were saying like
00:48:37
all it's all like about the land essentially. >> I know I mentioned this before that like
00:48:41
the Sylvia Brown of it all. Remember that psychic >> that you said there's like one clip of
00:48:46
her where she gets something clearly wrong cuz she's not a real psychic in my opinions. [laughter]
00:48:52
>> It's my opinion. It's my opinion. she gets something clearly wrong and this person's like, "Yeah, I don't know. Like
00:48:57
nobody really lived. Like it's a new house, so like that doesn't make sense, whatever she had said." And she goes,
00:49:02
"Honey, it's the land." [laughter] And I immediately thought when they're just like, "So there's no ghost." And
00:49:09
he's like, "Honey, it's the land." >> Honey, it's the legend. [laughter] >> That's his answer for what? It's the
00:49:15
land. [gasps] Why is this all happening? Honey, it's the lamb. [laughter] Immediately that can
00:49:24
>> Can you please pull [laughter] it up? >> Sure. That's what she says is, "Honey,
00:49:27
it's the land." >> I need to see this. [laughter] >> Our house is only 10 years old.
00:49:32
>> Honey, the land. >> How old do you think the land is? >> Honey, the land. >> Honey the land. [laughter]
00:49:39
>> And then she goes, "All land is ancient." I mean, all right, girl. >> Sylvia Brown, if nothing else, always
00:49:46
have an answer. Good for her. She's like, "My house is only 10 years old." The land
00:49:52
>> land is [ __ ] old. You know, >> honestly, my house is new and I've had weird ass experiences.
00:49:57
>> Honey, it's the land. >> Did I tell this story on the pottery? >> I don't know.
00:50:00
>> The one where I was like, the is she okay? >> Oh, yeah. That in case I haven't, I'll
00:50:06
just say really quickly. So, I had Elena's kids. I just got chill. >> This [ __ ] me up. And it's one of the
00:50:11
only haunted experiences I've ever had at my house. But I was like, "Uh, I don't know if I've told Debb's in the
00:50:16
pod lab today, so I'm telling Debub." >> And she's like, "What the [ __ ] is this?"
00:50:19
>> So I was, and I'm telling you guys, too, so listen up. >> Listen up. So I had Elena's kids over
00:50:24
for a sleepover. And I went in to like check on them cuz like you do that in the night. So I got to check out them
00:50:29
while they're at my house and I'm like hella responsible for them. So that's scary. So, I go in and I was like
00:50:35
tucking the youngest in and she was kind of like whimpering in her sleep a little
00:50:39
bit and I was like, "Oh, like are you having a weird dream?" And I was like rubbing her back and I was sitting on
00:50:44
the edge of her bed and it was like a blowup mattress. So, I was like right near the doorway and it was like cracked
00:50:48
a little bit and I heard, "Is she okay?" And I turned like to the point where I literally turned around cuz I thought it
00:50:54
was Drew and I turn and there was nobody there but I heard clear as day, is she okay? Which also what a great ghost.
00:51:04
>> I know >> that is they're like is she okay? Like is everything good? >> I literally have like chills.
00:51:09
>> I literally have chills whenever you told me that. Every time you bring it up
00:51:13
I get chills. >> And I liter I went to my bedroom and Drew was asleep. Like it wasn't even
00:51:18
possible for him to have said that. And I could not calm down. It was like the weirdest feeling.
00:51:24
>> That's so creepy. Honey the land. >> Honey the land. >> And I do live on really old like super
00:51:30
old land. So, >> like Massachusetts, honey the land. >> Honey the land. That should honestly
00:51:35
just be Massachusetts, [laughter] Logan. >> Welcome to Massachusetts, honey. >> Honey the land.
00:51:39
>> Let's put it on the sign. Who do we call? >> That's what we need. That needs to be
00:51:44
some of our merch. >> Massachusetts. [laughter] >> It needs to be a welcome to Massachusetts sign that says honey the
00:51:48
land. >> How do we make it sound like that on the [laughter] shirt? >> People will know. You can't say THE
00:51:58
[laughter] LANDS. >> [laughter] >> YOU CAN'T say Honey the land without saying honey the land.
00:52:07
>> People are like stop saying it. I will never >> never I will forever >> look forward to your merch. Okay.
00:52:12
[laughter] So So Mr. Roll could not account for the scratches. But Honey Lynn [laughter] as the years went by.
00:52:20
The haunting continued. The Hayricks were trying to just like, you know, [clears throat] live normal life, but
00:52:26
[ __ ] was always going down. Several years after they moved into the house, Lisa had a second daughter and Lisa and
00:52:31
Andy had a second daughter, Jordan. >> Oh, congrats. >> And Lisa's I think she's like a
00:52:35
stay-at-home mom, so that was occupying a lot of her attention. And by the time Heidi entered her teen years, Mr. Gordy
00:52:42
kind of was like a faint memory from childhood. She wasn't like hanging out with him that much.
00:52:45
>> Bummer. >> But in 2002, she told a reporter, "It's been a while since I've seen Mr. Gordy.
00:52:50
I do miss seeing him. I always will. I considered him one of my friends." A But unfortunately, while Mr. Gordy and Lawn
00:52:57
had disappeared from Heidi's life. The dark faceless entity stayed. >> Oh, hate that part.
00:53:03
>> And just like menaced her from the shadows. Ew. >> Whenever he would appear. Yeah.
00:53:07
>> Now, eventually the phenomenon at the Hyrick house uh became known to the rest
00:53:12
of the residents living in Ellersley because the story appeared on Unsolved Mysteries.
00:53:17
>> Oh, hell yeah. In the fall of 1994, >> the [laughter] original one. I get I literally read Unsolved Mysteries. I
00:53:25
hear that song and I can immediately I can feel it. >> I used to watch that with Judy all the
00:53:32
time. I used to live with this older lady named Judy and she was the tits. >> We used to watch Unsolved Mysteries and
00:53:38
Law and Order and the Red Sox. >> I always watched Unsolved Mysteries and then immediately watch Rescue 911. And
00:53:44
that's why I am who I am now. [laughter] >> I love that. And honestly, Judy is why I
00:53:48
am who I am now. >> So yeah, Unsolved Mysteries. But in the interview, Heidi described a lot of the
00:53:55
ghosts that she saw around the house, including Mr. Gordy and Lon, and uh told her she told her aunt that Mr. Gordy
00:54:01
informed her a lot of money was buried under Joyce's pecan tree. >> I don't know if they found it or not,
00:54:09
>> guys. We got to find out. >> Figure it out. We got to find out. >> Did they found
00:54:13
>> Can you imagine if they found a lot of money under the pecan tree? Pecan. >> Pecan. Do you say pecan or pean?
00:54:18
>> I don't know. I was just trying to figure that out. What do I >> I say pecan.
00:54:22
It was a big argument on Halloween baking championship this year. It I look at that um pecan, right? You're like,
00:54:30
you do [laughter] like I know this about you. You say pecan. >> Did they find the money [singing] under
00:54:37
Joyce's pecan tree? >> That's the song of this segment. >> Joyce pecan tree. >> It's not going to be a recurring
00:54:45
segment. [laughter] Imagine if it is. If there's another story where we're like, did they find
00:54:50
the money under country, [laughter] it's not gonna be a recurring segment. I don't know. I can't find out. So, I
00:54:59
guess we won't we won't put that in. [laughter] >> They did. But, so eventually when the
00:55:03
press attention started causing problems for Heidi at school, the family decided
00:55:06
to step back from the spotlight. They didn't do any more interviews. That pisses me off. That like gave her issues
00:55:11
at school. >> Yeah. Like people get it together. >> I would want to be her friend first.
00:55:14
>> This is why we can't have nice things cuz people ruin it. Yeah, they sure do.
00:55:18
>> You can't just be like, "Oo, ah, fun." Like, they got to go ruin her experience. [laughter]
00:55:24
>> So, stepping back from the spotlight was obviously good for like Heidi's mental
00:55:28
and social health. And it didn't really do much to stop the supernatural activity, though. By the time Jordan was
00:55:34
born, it had become a lot more aggressive in nature. In one of the more frightening incidents, Andy and Lisa
00:55:40
went out for the night and left Jordan with a babysitter. And the babysitter went to check on Jordan at one point in
00:55:45
the night. and she discovered a quote ribbon with eight knots tied tightly around Jordan's neck.
00:55:54
Yeah. Yep. Here's my here's my very cynical question. Did they look into that babysitter?
00:56:02
>> I don't know. [laughter] I hope so. >> Did we Corey check the babysitter? >> Probably. They seem like good parents,
00:56:08
so I'm sure I mean they do. >> Lisa literally probably would have like grabbed a kitchen knife if she thought
00:56:13
it was the babysitter. So >> like what the [ __ ] I don't think it was the babysitter. I think it was the
00:56:17
ghosts. >> What the [ __ ] Aka ghosts. Yeah. As the years passed, the activity continued and
00:56:24
it started involving other members of the family. There was a long period where Lisa would regularly hear a
00:56:29
growling sound coming from her bed as she and Andy were like just trying to fall asleep. And Heidi kept seeing
00:56:35
obviously that faceless dark entity. And in time, when Jordan got older, she started seeing and hearing spirits,
00:56:42
particularly a little girl who she said had been killed in a car accident near the property.
00:56:47
>> What the [ __ ] >> Yeah. So, since the first visit from William R in the early 90s, they've
00:56:53
continued searching for somebody who can help resolve whatever's going on there.
00:56:56
They think there's a demonic infestation in their house. >> Oh, yeah. >> And I tend to agree. They turn to Ro on
00:57:02
a few more occasions, but because he doesn't believe that they're being haunted and instead believes that the
00:57:08
phenomena has to do with like Heidi's kind of psychic abilities and like the electromagnetic fields, he was like,
00:57:14
"There's really not a lot I can do to help you." >> Oh, no. >> So, they found some support from their
00:57:19
church and um a local psychic who shares the family's faith. That individual encouraged the Hayworks to rid
00:57:25
themselves of the infestation through regular prayer and fasting. I don't believe that fasting is going to
00:57:32
do it, but I hope that they find some relief there. But they rely on their Christian support network and they do
00:57:38
different things like they get anointed with oil to try to repel the spirits and
00:57:44
expel the demons. >> Whatever brings you comfort. >> Well, and that's the thing. Whatever
00:57:47
brings you comfort and feels like it works, then go forth and comfort. >> Yeah. And it makes them feel good. They
00:57:54
said like it makes them feel empowered to stay in their house. But to date, they still are experiencing paranormal
00:58:00
activity in the house. >> Damn. >> And that is the story of the Hayrick family haunting.
00:58:06
>> Holy [ __ ] >> Isn't that a crazy one? >> I really like I want this family. I want
00:58:12
them to have peace. >> I do too. I really like that. >> I genuinely want them to have peace.
00:58:16
>> I know. As soon as Lisa pulled out a kitchen knife and went out into the backyard, I said, "That's my girl."
00:58:20
>> Yeah. I said, "That's my girl right there." >> And then Andy started driving around the
00:58:23
town and was like, "I will [ __ ] find whoever did this." >> Yeah. >> I want to hang out with her. Those are
00:58:27
those are parents right there. >> Exactly. >> What you asked my kid to get on a swing
00:58:31
with you? >> I'll kill you. >> I'll [ __ ] kill you. Like those are good parents. [laughter]
00:58:35
>> They just are. >> I just think it's crazy that not like not one time but twice she would
00:58:40
literally was like, "Oh yeah, like that's Mr. Gordy." And then was like, "Oh, that's Con." And then Con turned
00:58:45
out to be Lawn. >> Like what are the [ __ ] odds? >> That's wild. >> Crazy. >> That's a crazy story. That was
00:58:53
>> scary. >> It's genuinely scary. Like that one genuinely scared the [ __ ] out of me.
00:58:56
>> Me too. It was freaking me out. And when I was doing it, the norista was coming.
00:59:00
The norista came. >> So my wreaths were just bashing against the sides of my windows and I was home
00:59:05
alone. So it was freaking me out. And my cats were acting weird. >> I hate it. [laughter]
00:59:11
>> But yeah, that is one of our haunted stories of October, brothers. >> Damn. >> I mean, I thought it's the land.
00:59:19
>> Honey, it's the land. >> It is. [laughter] But it's not even the land, though, because next door at her
00:59:23
sister's house, everything is fine. >> That's land, too. >> It's got its own situation.
00:59:29
>> But I think everything's fine. It's just good land. >> Yeah, that's just good lands.
00:59:32
>> Well, there are good lands and bad lands. [laughter] >> There are >> the bad lands.
00:59:35
>> The bad lands. >> Damn. >> Yeah, I think it's just the house. I think it's a haunted house.
00:59:40
>> Yeah, for sure. >> And I I want them to have peace. >> I want them to have peace, but I also
00:59:44
kind of want to go to there. >> And Lisa and Andy, I think you're doing you're doing what you can, and I
00:59:48
appreciate that about you. >> Hell yeah. Well guys, we'll have some more hauntings to come because it's October.
00:59:54
So, we hope you keep listening >> and we hope you keep it. But that's so weird that Honey, it's the
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