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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is [Music] morbid brought to you by allergies yeah
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what the [ __ ] it's like winter I didn't know that allergies exist in the winter
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yeah it's not even like winter it is winter it's it's it's like winter and it literally is yeah I don't have a cold
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anymore but I have I woke up with the worst [ __ ] allergies like and it's not a cold know she's fating like the
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face is fting yeah it just is like very infuriating I feel like you're making me
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think that I am sniffly but I don't even know if I am but I'm now like it's a weird Placebo that's going on yeah
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you're like feeling sympathy sniffles oh my God I have sympathy sniffles I'm such
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an empath you really are you're such an empath and yeah so I'm not sick but I might sound a little congested just
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because you do but allergies guys Lilo not full-blown Lilo Is Here Yeah but like her distant relative yeah her
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cousin is here yes exactly but I'm not the one who's going to be talking much so I am that's good I'm going to be
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talking a lot because we are on part two of Rodney alala who is this case such a
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[ __ ] stain I just have to say at the top of this I have been having the worst time falling asleep just because of this
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case oh yeah the details are just running through my brain at night and I need to figure out a way to cope with
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that yeah it's yeah this this case for you is probably like the mors murderers were for
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me I was like invading like a lot of times it invades my dreams but like that invaded my dreams in a way that I can't
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describe no that's the thing and I don't usually do the more brutal cases like you do and it it's different because I'm
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not like fully submersed and like putting them together and then presenting them this one like obviously
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Dave helped like immensely putting most of this together I don't even know how Dave is sleeping at night but then like
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I was like you know twisting like things around like moving them around I'm like
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oh God Jesus Christ oh it's awful yeah but I do this thing where I had this therapist and she told me instead of
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focusing on cuz like I will if I have like a thought that I don't want to have I'm like no no no like don't think about
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that don't think about that don't think about that but that just makes it worse because it's like telling a toddler not
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to do something it just makes them want to do it more and I think your brain is essentially a toddler so I recog I say I
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recognize that I'm having that thought and now I'm going to move on to something else there you go and it does
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help a little bit it does yeah so I hope that can also help anybody else out there I think I've told everybody about
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my method I don't know if you have to have like a a Divergent brain for it to work maybe you do you absolutely do but
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it literally works for me I'm not diverse enough yeah you're not Divergent enough but uh yeah yours is cool so and
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it could work for the you know the non- neurotypicals if if you feel it out there it's I if you picture whatever
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you're picturing in your head like it's usually like a visual that will really get me like my brain will make a visual
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or I'll see a visual during research that just like really [ __ ] me up and like right now
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like I just got whoops it's there like I'm thinking about the mor murders and a certain visual is coming into my brain
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so right now I'm looking at it and in my brain I have one of those little dry erase board erasers yes erasers and I'm
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erasing it and it's gone and if it pops back up then I say o now we're on a computer throw it in the trash I don't
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have a backup so I can't see it again you are I actually told the girls to do that
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and that helped uh my kids they were having like a like nightmares it was just one night where they had watched
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something I think and it we didn't think it was going to be anything that would bother them but you just never know
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what's going to stick with a kid and um I think it was like I can't remember actually but they were like oh that like
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this one scene in this movie or TV show like where there was like a wolf or something they were like what if there's
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a wolf in the woods both and I was like what are you seeing in your head and they just told me and I was like okay
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and I was like you know on how on a computer you can erase something by putting it in the trash and they were
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like yeah I was like put the image in the trash maybe I'll try that and then I was like did you guys make a backup did
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you save another version of that image and they were like what I was like did you save another version of that image
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and they were like no I was like then you can't see it again cuz you trashed it that's yeah that's something and one
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of my kids especially was like that worked I love that your brain just always stands on business yeah 100%
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you're not a big admin girly but maybe that's why maybe you're doing so much admin in your brain Amash constantly
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doing admin in my brain you're so so yeah if you don't have a backup of it can't get it back oh I have a backup of
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every horrible memory that I've ever had keep throwing in the trash I'll try and
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then you empty the trash where does it go you hit that little button that says empty trash and then you say [ __ ] I
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can't get that back okay you know yeah you're you know how terrifying that is when you when you do that with something
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you need like you're like oh [ __ ] I accidentally like forever deleted that yeah that's what you do with those bad
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images because then you have that moment of like oh [ __ ] it's gone and you're like well that's gone I think you I also
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think you worked a lot of office jobs I did yeah yeah and I never worked an office job research jobs yeah your brain
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is that I feel like that's very very right brain of you yeah right would that yeah I think you just kind of it helps
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yeah it really does cuz it's so like it's so clinical that it's an easy way to do it
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if you can get your brain in that place to like visualize I'm going to have to try the trash one cuz I haven't yeah it
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takes a minute to like visualize that but once you're able to visualize that it is very helpful yeah so anybody out
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there if you're having things that pop into your brain that you know whatever it may be yeah I'm not saying it will
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help you I'm just saying if can get yourself in that mindsight that you can see that like putting it into a trash or
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wiping it with a dry erase eraser go for it then it can be helpful yeah or recognize that you're having the thought
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let yourself have the thought and also let it pass we've given you so many ways to get rid of your yucky thoughts yeah
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see yours is like yours is very harrowing to me like that's harrowing that's therapy
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babe let like let yourself have the thought no thank you like that's that's where I no let yourself have the thought
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no but see for someone like me if you don't let yourself have the thought it's just going to try harder to to get into
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the thought of and see that's where mine goes no don't let yourself have the thought throw it in the trash yeah no I
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I got to let myself it's also like weird exposure therapy I think I don't know I
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love it well that's our brains for you they're [ __ ] weird but here we are you like us if you're listening most of
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the time so sometimes most of you anyway most of you so let's get back into it we're on part two of Rodney Al Kala
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uh in part one we kind of started in the middle talking about Rodney's appearance
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on the popular show The Dating Game and how he was immediately off-putting to female contestant Cheryl Bradshaw we
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went over Rodney's early life how he was abruptly discharged from the military after I guess you could say some sort of
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psychotic break it seems uh we went over his first attacks on many women and of course at the end uh his capture in new
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New Hampshire while he was working at a children's summer camp under the name of
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John burer John Burger John burger what isn't that um Sex in the City um isn't his name Burger his last name is burger
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and they call him Burger I think his first name is John is it John now we need to look you got to look it up
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really quick Jack burger oh Jack probably is John strangely Jack is a nickname for John even though even
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though they're the same amount of letters yeah I'll never understand that I'm sorry I can't don't hate me don't
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hate me douchebag I know but back to the story after years of search in for Rodney after the brutal attack on
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8-year-old tly Shapiro uh Steve hodell there had finally captured the man whose crimes had so deeply Disturbed everybody
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familiar with the case especially Steve hodell himself yeah however what should have been a career highlight for Steve
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quickly turned into an absolute [ __ ] mess and ultimately a very serious disappointment so the District
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Attorney's Office yeah great the District Attorney's office was eager to charge Alcala for the attack on T but
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there was a problem the Shapiro family like I said in part one had left the country understandably get her the [ __ ]
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away from this yeah and they were difficult to get a hold of again understandably so yeah and Tal's parents
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had spent the previous years doing everything they could to Shield their daughter from any further trauma which
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included talking about the attack yeah I get it and the fact that she doesn't remember anything like they don't
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trigger any memories one they don't want to trigger any memories and two they did
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their job and they did it correctly because she doesn't have any memories that's amazing so whatever her family
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did for her worked maybe it didn't work out in a court sense right it shielded her emotionally from what had happened
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it made it made her okay and that's all I care about person she's able to like speak about you know what she does
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remember now yeah which to is like a very like I used the word harrowing before but that's harrowing to do anyway
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I thought you were going to use that word because it's perfect but the prosecutor tried to convince the
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shapiros to return to LA and allow T to testify against Alcala but the family did not want to put their 8-year-old
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daughter through that no and I don't blame them I get it but without their main witness which also happened to or
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who also happened to be alcala's accuser the district attorney had no choice to either offer him a deal or drop the case
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alog together because it just wasn't going to be as strong that sucks that that's the option yeah you either
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traumatize this 8-year-old or like lose the case like what that sucks and it's like I like obv you can still present
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the facts without her there tell a jury and of course it's going to be it's going to drive the point home harder if
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the actual you see the actual girl it's going to pull on your heart strings and but honestly it shouldn't take that it
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shouldn't take that it shouldn't take her sitting in front of you do exactly the facts are the facts but I think they
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were just worried about and you can understand why so unwilling to completely drop the case altogether the
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da was willing to allow alala to plead to the Lesser charge of child molestation which is [ __ ] insane that
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that's a lesser charge that's in insane to me child molestation is a lesser charge like we got to we got to we got
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to do better we got to do better guys so he was going to plead to that in exchange for an indeterminate sentence
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of anywhere from one year to life in prison so this could go so many ways that's that's quite a quite a stretch
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given the circumstances which we all know from part one the prosecutor expected the judge to impose a pretty
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lengthy sentence but was absolutely shocked when Alcala was sentence to 1 to 10 years with the opportunity for parole
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after just one year that's honestly disgusting it is and it's despicable ultimately he would serve 34 months in
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prison for the attempted murder of 8-year-old tally Shapiro this man abducted an
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8-year-olds and brutally assaulted and tried to murder her yep yep what the [ __ ] is wrong with
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everybody would have if not for a Good Samaritan literally would would have she'd be gone absolutely
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100,000% so after he was sentenced and you know was kind of riding out some of a sentence a prison psychologist deemed
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him quote unquote considerably improved and recommended him for parole in 1974 well they should be [ __ ] ashamed of
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themselves also yeah of course he's considerably improved because there's not women and children in prison for him
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to pray upon he should oh considerably improved there's no tempt for of what he can't attack children in
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there how does that even make any sense that's disgusting but the parole board's
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decision to release him after such a short time was obviously frustrating for Steve hodell who knew the full extent of
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what Alcala had done he said my impression was that it was his first sex crime and we got him early and Society
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is relatively safe now I had no idea in 2 years he would be out and continue his
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reign of terror and horror I expected he was put away and Society was safe it is
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such a tragedy that so much more came after that and he did his job yeah he did everything that he had to do he tracked
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him down all the way to New Hampshire he was waiting like he was probably looking
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at this like he said like we got him we got him early something awful happened for him to be caught yep but hopefully
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that's the end of it and no more has to happen but nope that's not the story after his release alala returned to
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living with his mother in LA and started supporting himself as a wedding photographer can you [ __ ] imagine if
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this man man photographed your wedding imagine looking back on your wedding photos and being like like those poor
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people they're victims too yeah like I'm like what the [ __ ] yeah to how do you
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reconcile that later you I don't think you do I think you have them redone at that point to the parole board he seemed
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to be adhering perfectly to the terms of his parole but it didn't take long before he gave in to his worst impulses
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one afternoon in mid- October just 2 months after his release from prison he was driving around Huntington Beach when
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he spotted 13-year-old Julie Johnson oh he's a [ __ ] monster he's a predator she was waiting at a bus stop outside a
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shopping center just as he had with tly Shapiro years earlier he pulled his car up to the sidewalk and offered her a
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ride at first she paid no attention to him so he put on some charm and he said he had some great posters that he wanted
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to show her which is so [ __ ] creepy the trick worked though which you can understand it's a 13-year-old and again
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it's a very different time Julie agreed to go with him on the condition that he drop her off at school but as they
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started driving she noticed that the man who said his name was John Ronald had driven right past her school and when
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she pointed that out he said something about needing to check out an apartment and promised it wouldn't take too long
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and then he'd get her to school so now concerned that she might be in trouble she became visibly anxious and she
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couldn't sit still which made him yell at her he started yelling at her my God this is horrifying to think about the
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jarring shift in his tone and the fact that they were getting further and further further away from her school
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started to frighten Julie and she told him to pull over and let her out but rather than pull over he steered the car
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into the Pacific Coast Highway headed way away from downtown Huntington Beach oh my god when the car finally did come
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to a stop they were in a remote area on the Huntington Beach Bluffs which is about a 15-minute drive from where he
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picked her up 15 minutes is such a long time in a situation like that oh my God that must have felt like a hundred years
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for she tried to run as soon as the door was open but he caught her by the arm and dragged her to an area near the edge
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of the Bluffs where he forced her to sit down and smoke a joint with him Jesus Christ yeah so as he just tried to make
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small talk with her at that point on the Bluffs luckily a park ranger a few hundred yards below them spotted the
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pair and decided just to head up to see what was going on something seemed off to the ranger I'm so glad people are
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following their gut instincts with this guy because you never hear that first that good Samaritan now this park ranger
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and the woman so far and I'm sure this more but the woman for the dating game yep everyone like this man must have
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like omitted the nastiest Vibes but to the most like like the to people who are very like in tune and maybe might not
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even realize how in tune they are to these things cuz obviously he other people he came off as charming and
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normal and didn't give off bad vibes well and I think it's also the fact that he prays on Young people that's the
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thing who don't necessarily trust their intin they're not like uh they're not equipped to like really be looking for
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those kind of things but to like people who must have a little bit of something there y it's it's interesting to see how
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many people were like what the [ __ ] up with this guy like something is telling
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me to go look yeah something's up well he also looks like a [ __ ] Predator he does and he's also like pushing young
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girls into weird situations so like not to take away from what you just said cuz
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I completely but it's like visualiz a like man in his mids like pulling this girl along who's
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13 you're going to be like what the [ __ ] is that yeah and but it's just the fact
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that they actually acted too because some and later we'll see there were people who saw things and just looked
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the other way yeah which is [ __ ] and like this guy he's just seeing like the the smoke and seeing like just two
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people sitting so he didn't even see like the whole like dragging her down the beach thing y exactly so he's just
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like something's weird he's like what's up with so he carefully climbed up to the top of
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the Bluffs and moved really quietly along the way to make sure he didn't draw any attention to himself and when
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he got close he could smell the weed in the air so when he reached the area where they were sitting he finally made
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his presence known and was like hey what's up here and Al Calla answered he said we were just hiking and now we're
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taking a break but he had barely finished his sentence when Julie blurted out that Alcala had kidnapped her her
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brought her there against her will and was now making her forcing her to smoke pot with him oh my God now uncertain
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which of the two he should believe because he doesn't know either of these people you know I don't
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know I know believe the child if they're saying they're kidnapped like this is my
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PSA to everybody if a kid says they're kidnapped believe the child at least believe like if if they're not then egg
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on your face I guess but like whatever but he arrested them both and brought them to huntingt Huntington Beach Police
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Station at the station Rodney and Julie were separated and they were each separately questioned and alala stuck to
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story telling the officer that he and Julie had gone for a hike and actually she was the one who supplied the joint
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and said they should smoke together wow he's just going to blame the 13-year-old
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girl yeah totally wow Julie meanwhile stuck to her own story which was the truth explaining that she had accepted a
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ride from this man he refused to drop her off at school and he had taken her out in the Bluffs against her will and
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also made her smoke weed when she didn't want to thinking that she might be lying
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in order to avoid punishment for being out with an older man and smoking pot the officer also didn't know who to
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believe but luckily he ran a background check on Rodney Alcala and the result came back identifying him as a [ __ ]
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sex offender on parole yeah so police released Julie to her parents and Rodney was booked on charges of supplying drugs
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to a minor kidnapping and violating parole there's so many little layers to this one because uh one even if the girl
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is lying and she snuck out with an older man to do this why is this older man the
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older man's fault because she's a child and he is grooming and [ __ ] pre like are praying upon her we're really like I
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don't know who to believe here I don't know let's look at the facts that she's with a grown [ __ ] man yeah let's
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let's go with it his fault no matter what she was one of those hippie tops who was smoking weed and it's like and
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then this poor girl has been kidnapped from a bus stop when she was literally just going to school and has been taken
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somewhere against like screamed taken somewhere against her will dragged down the beach forced to smoke podt yep as a
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13-year-old and now she's having to be interrogated and be released to her parents believes her nobody's believing
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her I'm like talk about trauma and like a wakeup call to the [ __ ] way that the world works is you're a woman so
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unfortunately people probably aren't going to believe you most of the time so [ __ ] up that's crazy yeah he spent a
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month Rodney spent a month uh waiting hearing and when he went before the judge the day after Christmas in
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1974 for some reason the kidnapping and drug charges were dropped I got to go leaving only a parole violation so he
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got a sentence of 2 and A2 years at the California Institution for men and Chino
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are you kidding me I am not the legal system failed all of these women for a very long time in the most [ __ ]
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rancid way it's like this is he kidnapped an 8-year-old yeah raped her yep and tried to kill her Y and you let
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him go yep and then he does the same thing with a like he was planning you going to tell me he wasn't planning on
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assaulting and probably trying to kill her and you're just going to let him you know he's done it twice but like what
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who who would ever think let's drop those chares who would ever think he would do it a third time like what what
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it's unreal that's insane it's unreal oh just wait for this next part oh God so in July 1977 he was pared from prison
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for the second time with the requirement that obviously he check in regularly with his parole officer on a weekly
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basis surprisingly after just two visits one two with the parole officer alala a
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registered sex offender with a history of violence and a known Flight Risk was granted permission by that same officer
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that parole officer to travel to New York to quote unquote visit some relatives and a week later he left
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California for New York where remember he's already gone and terrorized women they just don't happen to know that
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yet I a bunch of buffoons are involved in this truly a bunch of buffoons truly and
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a lot of women would still be here today lot of women suffered and died because of these [ __ ] buffoons yep that's a
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buffo that's buffoonery it's buffoonery out of finest Wild it only gets worse wow how well kala spent his brief time
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in New York is mostly unknown but it is strongly suspected that while there he committed his second murder Jes that of
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23-year-old uh Ellen hover she was the daughter of Manhattan nightclub owner Herman hover she was the last of New
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York's High Society class and her Disappearance in July 1977 was a major news event across New York City given
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her social status and her family's wealth investigators actually assumed that Ellen's disappearance would be
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followed by by some kind of Ransom demand yeah but when no demand came they were forced to consider that she was
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most likely a victim of Foul Play early in the investigation Ellen's friend Richard middlemark told detectives that
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he actually had made plans with Ellen on July 13th to go to a Broadway show the two of them and when he called to
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confirm she told him that she was going to have lunch at Bloomingdales with a photographer and she expected to be home
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by 400 p.m. that same day she never mentioned the photographer's name but in their search of Ellen's apartment
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investigators found the name John Berg written on a calendar beside the date that she went missing John Berger John
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Berg a friend who was with Ellen earlier that day said he spotted her talking to
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a quote tall thin shabby dressed man who wore his hair wore his long hair tied in
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a ponytail most likely Rodney alala I mean that describes him mhm when her friend
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asked who the quote unquote freaky looking guy was Ellen replied oh he's all right he's a
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photographer man yeah nearly a year later in June of 1978 investigators actually with the help of a New York
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psychic discovered the skeletal remains of Ellen hover buried beneath a pile of rocks in North ter town which is a small
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town about 30 miles outside of Manhattan so she was far from home too which just
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breaks your [ __ ] heart based on the condition of their remains when they were discovered arriving at an actually
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conclusive cause of death was next to Impossible but the medical examiner did suspect strangulation to be the cause
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because there was damage to the hyid bom based on the medical examiner report Ellen's missing person case was
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transferred to the homicide division but there was little evidence to work with and at that point the case started going
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cold yeah but don't worry I will tell you that things work out there in oh good I think it's part three we get to
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it okay so in the meantime rodne Al kala return to La uh late in the summer of 1977 where he would embark on a murder
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spree that would result in the death of at least six more women holy [ __ ] and I
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say at least because to this day they're still not sure how many people he killed
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wow so when Rodney went back to California he uh moved back then with his mommy and found a job as a typ
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Setter with the Los Angeles Times claiming on his resume that he had held several similar positions in the past uh
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false because during the time frames he provided he was literally in prison and apparently no one that up
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cool but he quickly settled into the workplace culture he amped up his charm he mingled with the women in the office
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every chance he got one of his former co-workers said he would talk about going to parties in Hollywood it seemed
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like he knew famous people but not everybody was so Charmed another coworker Sharon Gonzalez told a reporter
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that Rodney would show her photographs from his portfolio of girls and young women and many of those girls and young
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women were POS nude she said he was very open about his sexuality and when she asked him why he had Tak the photos this
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is disgusting he told her that their parents had hired him to do so oh my God no one's parents hired you to take naked
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pictures of their children are you kidding me nobody hired you for that like what the [ __ ] are you talking
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about so while he was settling into his new job at the newspaper on the other side of the country 18-year-old Jill
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barkham was on her way to LA from Ona New York she was eager to start a new life on the west coast she was one of 11
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children in her family she was the middle child and by the time she finished high school she was very
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determined to just find an adventure far away from home like most young people from the suburbs obviously when she
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thought of one of the most exciting places to go in America she quickly settled on Hollywood so as soon as they
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were able to go she and two friends from school packed up their car and they headed to La that fall which should have
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been ridiculously exciting yeah I mean she's 18 let's go yeah out on your own on the morning of November 10th 1977
00:26:57
George Newton who was an employee with the Department of Water and Power was cleaning debris from the side of
00:27:02
Franklin Canyon Drive near the reservoir when he saw something strange lying in a
00:27:07
ditch when he got closer to take a look he realized that he was looking at the dead partially clothed body of a young
00:27:14
woman so he ran back to his truck and radioed dispatch who called the police for him and reported the discovery now
00:27:21
that summer in La two young women had been sexually assaulted and murdered by a killer that the Press had dubbed the
00:27:27
Hillside Strangler Strangler now we know Strang singular exactly and those are episodes 256 and 258 if you want to go
00:27:34
back to that coverage that Ela did so when they arrived at the scene at Franklin Canyon Drive detectives felt
00:27:42
pretty confident that they just discovered the strangler's third victim yeah this next part is a bit graphic and
00:27:47
just want to let you know the young woman was positioned on all fours with her knees tucked toward her chest she
00:27:54
was nuded from the waist down and there was obvious evidence of a violent sexual
00:27:57
assault a large Rock lay in a pool of blood on the ground next to her and she too had
00:28:03
been strangled with a blue rope that was knotted in three places oh [ __ ] and they
00:28:08
also found two impressions in the dirt that happened to uh that appeared to be from a man's shoe so at least they had
00:28:13
that to go on detective Ron Lewis of the LAPD Robbery Homicide division told reporters it appeared that the body had
00:28:20
been there for some time it seemed like she put up a struggle and her killer had
00:28:24
beaten her badly before strangling her first with his hands and then with the Rope Jesus and this is a little graphic
00:28:31
her pubic hair on the left side appeared to be singed and there was additional evidence indicating that she had been
00:28:37
burned as well with a likely with a lighter holy [ __ ] yeah she suffered immensely did you this does feel like
00:28:46
the hillside stranglers it does like I understand why they thought that was the same cuz it's and it's a little off for
00:28:52
Rodney but he's also starting to escalate yeah uh the medical examiner did C fluids from her body but of course
00:29:00
DNA testing was at least a decade away at that point other than the footprints and the blood evidence the scene was
00:29:05
void of any evidence that would lead to the identity of the victim or the killer
00:29:09
at that point but fortunately investigators got a match on the victim's fingerprints from a previous
00:29:15
arrest in New York earlier that year oh okay uh according to the report Jill barkham quote was known by several sex
00:29:22
workers in Onida who referred to her as little bit oh stop yeah oh that makes me
00:29:28
so sad I know after contacting police in New York investigators learned that Jill
00:29:33
had only been in La for about 2 weeks wow two weeks wow she goes across the country to start a new this new
00:29:44
adventure that she's so excited about two weeks she'd been there damn within a couple of weeks detectives in La had
00:29:52
connected at least 11 strangulation murders that uh that they were attributing to what they thought was the
00:29:57
hillside strength ler including at that point the murder of Jill barkham Lieutenant Edwin Henderson told a group
00:30:03
of reporters in early December similarities tend to make us believe there's a connection between these
00:30:08
murders eventually as we know police would arrest and charge Kenneth bian and his cousin Angelo Bona with the Hillside
00:30:14
Strangler murders but when questioned about the murder of Jill barkham both of them denied having anything to do with
00:30:21
her death and you know they weren't going to deny it yeah exactly in fact the investigation until bar uh Jill
00:30:27
barkham death would remain unsolved until 2004 when a DNA match to Rodney alala was made to the seamen collected from
00:30:35
Jill's body all the way back in 1977 wow which is truly remarkable that really is but it's so sad that her
00:30:43
family had no idea what happened to her for all those years yeah now in early December investigators
00:30:50
in New York had discovered a possible link between the murder of Ellen hover and Rodney alala when a search for the
00:30:56
Alias John Berger came back as one used by Alcala acting on a request from the FBI LAPD officers actually picked up
00:31:04
Alcala on December 14th 1977 and they brought him to the precinct for questioning about Ellen's case to their
00:31:13
surprise not only did he admit knowing alen hover but he also said that he met with her for a photo shoot on the day
00:31:19
she went missing but he emphatically stated that he had nothing to do with their disappearance he just took some
00:31:26
pictures okay okay yeah yeah that's probably just a coincidence and despite his insistence that he was definitely
00:31:32
innocent he refused to take a polygraph test and detectives had no reason to hold him so they had to let him go yeah
00:31:39
LAPD detective Cliff Shepard said there was nothing to hold him on because there
00:31:43
was no body so he was released because at that point they didn't have it man yeah so on December 16th just two days
00:31:52
after he was interrogated by La by the LAPD for Ellen's disappearance the LA County sheriff's officer received a call
00:31:59
regarding 27-year-old nurse uh Georgia Marie Wicked according to the caller wickstead had failed to pick up a
00:32:06
coworker for her carpool that morning and she also hadn't shown up for work and both of those things were very out
00:32:11
of character for her she always showed up on time she was somebody that her friends could rely on repeated calls to
00:32:18
George's apartment also went unanswered so after the call Deputy uh Jeffrey Cannon was dispatched to just go do a
00:32:25
typical well-being check yeah not expecting much there no when he arrived at Georgia wicked's apartment complex
00:32:31
Canon was met by deputies Jack ninger and Mike powers and the three men made their way through the courtyard to
00:32:37
Georgia's apartment the first thing they noticed was that a screen was missing on
00:32:42
one of the three large windows at the front of the apartment and it had been propped up against a building beside the
00:32:47
window against the building that's always chilling to see and there was also a box positioned underneath the
00:32:53
window like somebody had obviously used it to climb through and there were also scuff marks outside the wall that seemed
00:32:59
like they were made by shoes or boots like as he's climbing in so this person literally broke into her apartment but
00:33:05
when they tried the door handle deputies were surprised to find that the door was
00:33:09
actually unlocked inside the apartment it was nearly 90° oh yeah 90° and completely dark like almost pitch black
00:33:19
so they switched on their flashlights among the first things they saw when they swept their lights across the room
00:33:24
was a dead body lying on the floor they drew their gun and searched a different room in the apartment looking for the
00:33:30
killer just have to be sure that he's not still there you don't know if he's still there and of course any additional
00:33:35
victims but once they secured the apartment they called for additional officers and of course the coroner with
00:33:41
the curtains open and the and the lights on the deputies were able to see the full extent of the violence committed in
00:33:46
Georgia wicked's apartment and it was I can't imagine having to leave that scene
00:33:53
and go about your life after that Georgia was lying on the floor on her back she was nude and completely covered
00:34:00
in bruises lacerations and blood my God a pair of tights were tied around her neck and nodded several times on the bed
00:34:07
next to her there was a large blood stain in the center of her mattress and there was blood splatter all over the
00:34:12
bed frames and on all four walls holy [ __ ] by her head detectives found a claw
00:34:18
hammer that seemed to have been used in The Assault my God the autopsy it's far more brutal than I even anticipated he's
00:34:27
far more brutal than I ever even knew the autopsy report included an extensive list of injuries including significant
00:34:34
trauma to her face and head skull fractures extensive lacerations covering her body and a fractured and dislocated
00:34:43
arm so she fought like hell yeah the Med medical examiner wrote almost every injury was inflicted while she was still
00:34:51
alive and blood was still pumping through her body yeah which is awful the ultimate uh cause of death listed was
00:34:57
ligature strangulation holy [ __ ] so she even survived those blows to the head with a claw
00:35:04
H although his previous murders were obviously violent the the attack on Georgia wickstead seemed particularly
00:35:11
Brutal by comparison and unhinged unhinged like out of control detective Cliff Shepard said I think he did that
00:35:18
one to show that he could kill with impunity yeah which it feels that way I think so too and I think he's like look
00:35:25
you'll arrest me and I'll still go out and do it I'll go even harder than I and you still won't catch me yeah cuz you
00:35:31
just keep letting me go so look what I can do yeah however unlike his previous crime scenes which were light on
00:35:38
evidence this time he had left behind critical evidence in the form of SE seen blood evidence and even a partial palm
00:35:45
print oh wow yeah while the DNA and blood evidence again wouldn't prove useful for at least another decade the
00:35:51
palmprint was the first piece of solid evidence that investigators could find and all detectives needed was a hand to
00:35:57
match it to after the murder of Georgia Wicked though Rodney Al colist returned to his ordinary [ __ ] life God this
00:36:05
guy yeah just went back to his job at the times was taking photographs on the side for extra money photo uh
00:36:10
photographing people's weddings which is truly Unthinkable that he could do that
00:36:15
and then go to a wedding ceremony and take pictures wow in March of 1978 the lapd's Hillside Strangler task force had
00:36:24
narrowed down their list of suspects and were questioning those they believed could be involved in the brutal string
00:36:29
of killings and as a child rapist his name was among those on the list so police paid him a visit at his mother's
00:36:35
house to question him I just have to say she like his mom must be like what's going on like police are showing up here
00:36:43
all the time but every time they show up she tells them that he has nothing to do
00:36:46
with anything it's like I get it like that's your son if the police keeps showing up and he keeps being linked to
00:36:53
this many things you got to hold him accountable he did some [ __ ] wrong yeah like come on needed to say that so
00:37:00
although he was ruled out as a suspect in the hillside case while they were at his home they discovered that he was in
00:37:05
the possession of a small amount of marijuana so they arrested him on a petty drug charge just to keep him yeah
00:37:11
it earned him that possession charge earned him a three-month jail sentence so he spent three more months in jail
00:37:17
and was released in late June of 1978 on the morning of June 21st uh June 24th excuse me just days after he was
00:37:26
released from jail Zafar Shaw a resident at the Illinois apartment in elag gundo
00:37:31
made a truly brutal Discovery sha had just entered the basement of the building to do some laundry when he
00:37:38
almost stumbled over the body of 31-year-old Charlotte lamb and just days after he was released just days holy
00:37:45
[ __ ] uh sha ran to the building's manager office and together they called the police who arrived a little before
00:37:51
noon upon arrival detective William Gainer was met by the building manager who took him down into the basement body
00:37:58
was lying nude on the floor a long shoelace tied tightly around her neck and a piece of wood with a small amount
00:38:03
of blood splatter was next to her head Jes it was very clear that she had been sexually assaulted and among the more
00:38:10
Curious aspects of the crime scene though was that lamb who at that point had yet to be identified didn't live at
00:38:16
the Illinois apartments and was unknown to the residents there so that wasn't even where she lived and this is an
00:38:21
apartment complex laundry room what but not one she lives at like so strange that's so bizarre it is her body was
00:38:29
taken to the medical examiner's office where an autopsy was conducted by Dr Joseph kogan in his report he noted that
00:38:36
there was considerable trauma to her face and head there were bite marks on the right side of her neck Jesus this is
00:38:43
BR animal there were lacerations over her entire genital area area and the ligature was so forcefully tightened
00:38:50
that the cardl around her voice box and thy uh thyroid was fractured and the blood vessels in her eyes were rough
00:38:57
ruptured wow this attack was wow he's an animal like he's a Fu literally wild animal a demon holy [ __ ]
00:39:09
and again according to the autopsy the majority of Charlotte's injuries were inflicted while she was still alive and
00:39:16
the uh ultimate cause of death was the ligature strangulation yeah cuz I was going to say all that Trauma from the
00:39:21
ligature mhm she experienced all of that yeah holy [ __ ] swabs of fluid and bite
00:39:27
mark and Impressions were taken and stored for later analysis something they did do really well was keep all the even
00:39:34
though they couldn't use like like the fluid evidence the seen that kind of stuff they did a good job of taking it
00:39:40
anyway and storing it and it doesn't seemed like a lot of things got lost along the way which is great yeah now
00:39:47
days after Charlotte hadn't shown up for work and nobody had heard from her several calls were placed to to the LAPD
00:39:53
to report her missing at the same time her car had been ticketed and was eventually impounded in Santa Monica and
00:39:59
between the two events investigators were finally able to identify Charlotte lamb as the body discovered in that
00:40:05
basement but now how she had wound up there would remain a mystery to everyone for some time to come wow yeah
00:40:14
investigators pursued this case for months but the evidence was scarse and leads were pretty slim that September
00:40:20
Rodney alcala's life took a bizarre turn when he was recruited as a contestant on
00:40:24
The Dating Game so this all all of everything we we've talked about so far has happened before he was even on The
00:40:30
Dating Game that's Bonkers and then he just goes on he goes on The Dating Game yeah like what and if you're not
00:40:38
familiar it was a popular show back in the 70s and I think ' 80s uh where a single woman would interview Three Men
00:40:44
and they sat behind a curtain and she would just choose one of them to go on a date with the show became known for its
00:40:49
frequent use of very risque double on tandas and thinly veiled Illusions to sexual objects it was a spicy show they
00:40:56
would be like sex they'd be like but but they'd like say it different than that they would se but not yeah yeah in this
00:41:04
particular episode Bachelorette Cheryl Bradshaw asked the hidden Bachelors I'm serving you for dinner what are you
00:41:10
called and what do you look like what a question yeah I think they were pre-written very of the time yeah yeah
00:41:16
Bachelor number one Rodney replied I'm called the banana and I look really good peel me I hate this a lot I will [ __ ]
00:41:25
peel you with potato peeler yeah yeah [ __ ] The Dating Game sounds like a nightmare anyways yeah it truly does
00:41:32
like if these are the answers you're getting who who's where are the choices my friend where are the choices below
00:41:38
ground level yeah the response got a laugh out of Bradshaw in the audience setting a kind of light-hearted tone and
00:41:44
throughout the episode alala did his best his absolute best to charm Bradshaw describing himself as a long-haired
00:41:49
photographer who enj enjoyed skydiving and motorcycling in his spare time what makes me crazy about this and is like
00:41:57
very horrifying is like all he's done up to this point and he's like I think I'll
00:42:03
go on TV yeah like he just know he's like Spotlight and it's like what and he did he just he didn't care that
00:42:11
Spotlight was going to be thrust upon him he was that convinced and honestly he had every reason why he yeah he
00:42:19
didn't have any reason to think he would be the legal system showed him you can be a [ __ ] monster to Children yeah
00:42:25
and you'll get away with it and we'll let you out let you out you can serve like a couple years it'll be easy and
00:42:30
then you get out and just get right back to it yeah and then maybe we'll get you
00:42:34
but maybe not maybe not yeah W it's just very disconcerning and this appearance on the dating game like obviously before
00:42:42
Cheryl gets the weird feeling and it's interesting that she actually you know she picked him and she W she was you
00:42:49
know stunned by his charm in the in the moment in the spotlight in the spotlight
00:42:54
when she can't see him exactly and then she sees him and a personal conversation
00:42:59
it's a quick exchange even in that quick exchange she sees him and she sees him for exactly who the [ __ ] cuz I think
00:43:06
also the mask drops yes big time like he's on he's on TV he's sitting there Charming everyone he's putting on a show
00:43:12
and then he goes in front of her and he says like three words and she's like you're [ __ ] weird and I'm good and I
00:43:18
think and this is just like my personal thought I think she saw his eyes and I think she saw that there was something
00:43:24
[ __ ] dead behind those eyes listen you got everybody I can't imagine people who did with the right ones in this
00:43:30
story yeah oh his eyes are so [ __ ] Beady and scary and it breaks my heart that they were the last
00:43:38
thing some people saw like it's oh I hate this guy but like I just said the audience loved alala it seemed that
00:43:45
Cheryl did in the moment too especially when she chose him to be her date at the
00:43:48
end of the episode she told the host well I like bananas so I'll take one meaning Bachelor number one as winners
00:43:55
Cheryl and Rodney were awarded tennis lessons and a trip to California's Magic Mountain amusement park can you [ __ ]
00:44:01
imagine if she had accepted that date and gone to tennis lessons with Rodney alala and then an amusement park and
00:44:08
then an amusement park the amusement park alone I can't but like with Rodney alala I can't I don't like and that's
00:44:15
the thing it's like he probably would have killed Cheryl 100% like I don't see him no just going on that date no I see
00:44:25
this as the next step in his like let's see if I can do this cuz it's upping the
00:44:30
Auntie oh I'll win this date with her everyone will see it you know he went into that being like I'm going to win
00:44:35
like I know I'm going to cuz he's a cocky [ __ ] and he did he did win yeah I think he thought I'll just do
00:44:41
this in front of America's face literally kill this girl and I'll get away I'll do this girl I'll I'll kill
00:44:47
this girl that everyone sees me win the date with yep and they still won't catch
00:44:52
me and I'll get away with it I think that's exactly what he was planning but it's like that is also like
00:44:58
that's a a level of like hubris yes that is Greek mythology like style like that
00:45:05
like that is like that's so wild cuz you're just like I know that was your intention oh yeah but if you had gone on
00:45:14
that date with Cheryl and like thank goodness Cheryl I am so glad Cheryl got out of this but I'm like if you had
00:45:20
killed Cheryl yeah and like everyone knew that you won this date with her and you were the last person with her you
00:45:28
would have been caught like that that would have been the end but he had been caught so many times so sure he was so
00:45:35
sure because I think I do think he's a narcissist yeah and you know me armchair diagnos well and it's like literally
00:45:40
like it's diabolical level of hubris because it's like he that would have been it like there there that wouldn't
00:45:48
have been one you can get out of you would have been the last person with that person you would think but then but
00:45:53
then you also have to wonder because he didn't even get convicted on everybody knew what he did to T Shapiro 8 years
00:45:59
old everybody knew so that gave him the full-blown confidence to say look what I
00:46:05
can do to an 8-year-old girl in the middle of the [ __ ] morning at a place where she lives and I got out in 30
00:46:14
three years yeah and went to go do stuff again I got caught with a 13-year-old girl and I just blamed it on her and I
00:46:22
got those charges got dropped I just had to serve a parl violation for I think it
00:46:26
was mons I think he thought this was going be every every reason to think that this was going to be it's just I
00:46:34
think my brain just won't rap I'm like it shouldn't this is just like yeah it's just like whoa It's
00:46:42
Bonkers I think he was a monster and then I think the legal system even pushed him further into well it
00:46:51
enabled him him completely exactly it's just very shocking and poor Cheryl po chery just for like being that close to
00:46:59
this you know glad she got away from this well I just can't imagine how she felt when she finding out what had
00:47:06
happened to those poor women and girls before her before her and after her yeah because he goes on another spree this is
00:47:13
just one spree jeez so like we like we know when the the show finished taping like I said at the top of part one
00:47:20
Cheryl started to feel like she'd made a bad choice according to former homicide
00:47:24
detective Matt Murphy the moment where he comes on the partition and Cheryl Bradshaw looks at him there's a Moment
00:47:29
In Her Eyes where you can see she's being polite but she did refuse to go on a date with him see and he said it I
00:47:35
want to watch it back I've seen Clips but I've never seen the two of them interact the moment when he comes around
00:47:40
the Partition is very interesting immediately after seeing Al Calla in person like we know she went to Ellen
00:47:46
Meer who was the show's producer and she said Ellen I can't go out with this guy
00:47:50
there's weird Vibes that are coming off him he's very strange I'm not comfortable will that be a problem and
00:47:56
again thanks ful Ellen mezer assured her it was not going to be a problem she was
00:48:00
not under any obligation to go on this date and Cheryl left the studio that afternoon like we know completely
00:48:06
unaware that she narrowly avoided spending time with a brutal killer Jesus it turned out Cheryl Bradshaw was not
00:48:13
the only person put off by Al Calla strange very intense energy according to Jed Mills who was one of the other
00:48:19
Bachelors on the episode I'll call his strange behavior and demeanor in the green room before the taping he felt was
00:48:26
very bizarre and very offputting wow he said I'm kind of bending toward the other guy to get away from him and I
00:48:32
don't know if I did that consciously he was quiet but at the same time he would inter interrupt and impose whenever he
00:48:38
felt like it and he was very obnoxious and creepy he became very unlikable and rude and imposing as though he was
00:48:44
trying to intimidate huh yeah and just just to think that this other Bachelor found himself pulling away from this guy
00:48:52
physically this man was like yeah like something about Rodney's energ made him move away from him whether he meant to
00:48:59
or not yeah like that's creepy yeah you know something's off when like even he's
00:49:05
even coming off of as predatory to another man yeah yeah uh Rodney's failure on The Dating Game did not seem
00:49:13
to affect his confidence in any way in February of 1979 just a few months after being rejected by Cheryl Bradshaw Alcala
00:49:20
was back out on the streets looking for a new victim and imagine being Cheryl too I didn't even think of this part
00:49:26
part of it being the woman you said no I'm not going out with him and now he knows who you are I know and you're
00:49:35
worried like he gave me the creeps like I would be and she doesn't even know what he's done no but it's like you were
00:49:41
creeped out enough to not want to go out with him I would be like that that must
00:49:44
have like weighed on her a little bit just being like is he going to follow me like is he mad is he going to be like
00:49:50
weird about it like that's a I mean men get really [ __ ] weird when they get rejected so it's like men get weird when
00:49:57
they're rejected privately literally on a date like you can I'm sure she was very nervous about that and
00:50:03
then to hear later I'd be like oh my God like that's like holy [ __ ] yeah no you're so right that's a whole different
00:50:12
thing to work through he did stalk people oh yeah I'm sure we'll find out I in part three that he was a stalk oh I
00:50:19
believe it yeah but like I said he just a few months after that he was back out on the streets looking for a new victim
00:50:25
on February 3 13th just the day before Valentine's Day he was driving through Riverside California when he spotted
00:50:31
15-year-old Monique hoit hitchhiking and he stopped and offered her a ride his back seat was full of camera equipment
00:50:37
and Alcala asked if he could take Monique's picture telling her it was for a contest and they could both win a
00:50:43
prize if he entered and they both won a to the 15-year-old he seemed like a quote nice Charming mild man and he also
00:50:50
came off as a legitimate photographer cuz he's got all this stuff with him yeah so she agreed to let him take her
00:50:55
picture yeah by the time they reached alcala's mother's house he literally brought this girl back to his mother's
00:51:00
house this is a 15-year-old girl Jesus Christ just going to state that for exactly what it is Jesus Christ the sun
00:51:06
had started to go down and he told Mo'Nique that the next day would be better for pictures so they spent the
00:51:11
night together at his mom's house she's 15 she's 15 remember we don't know what happened but she's 15 when they woke up
00:51:18
the next day he packed the camera equipment into the car and they drove out to the desert uh desert area near
00:51:23
Banning about 80 miles outside of La so they drove for you got to think over an hour in the car together yeah the first
00:51:31
few photos that he took were simple posing shots but before long he asked Monique if she would be opposed to
00:51:36
taking some nude photos which he has no right to ask her because she's 15 years old she's a literal child and she can't
00:51:41
consent to that no she did agree but as she was lifting her shirt over her head he struck her in the face with a large
00:51:47
tree branch sending her slumping to the ground where she blocked out he hit her so hard she blocked out a 15-year-old
00:51:54
when she regained Consciousness that is brutal and awful he was sexually assaulting her but she had the
00:52:01
wherewithal to pretend to still be unconscious while this was happening but eventually the pain and the trauma of it
00:52:07
all became too much and she started screaming and at that point he yelled at her to shut up stuffed her T-shirt into
00:52:13
her mouth and started choking her with his hands until she lost Consciousness for the second time holy [ __ ] when she
00:52:20
woke up for the second time her she woke up and realized that her hands and feet
00:52:24
were both bound and now she looked next to her and saw that Rodney Alcala was lying beside her on a blanket
00:52:33
sobbing I can't with these [ __ ] creeps who do this [ __ ] and then start to cry and stuff like you got to go I
00:52:42
just can't imagine enduring what that girl endured at 15 years old and then watching this man sit there and cry next
00:52:49
to her on a blanket like what the level of confusion she's also blacked out two times because he strangled her and hit
00:52:56
her the head and then she wakes like the confus the the bizarre confusion of this
00:53:01
that would be so over over the line of my comprehension that I couldn't even like that now remember she's blacked out
00:53:10
twice but still relied on her instincts and turned to Rodney and started comforting him knowing that she could
00:53:17
maybe reverse psychology him Monique is [ __ ] smart as [ __ ] boss smart as a whip boss she told him that she wanted
00:53:26
to spend more time with him and said can we just go back to your house would that
00:53:29
be okay wow she also begged him not to tell anybody what had happened between them she said just don't tell anybody
00:53:35
and I won't tell anybody see and that's smart too because you're being like I don't want anyone to know like I'm not
00:53:41
going to tell anyone I would never tell anybody she begged him don't say anything he didn't respond to any of her
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questions just remained completely silent but it appeared that this reverse psychology worked he started untying her
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silently though that's I can't imagine I also just like I'm really I admire this
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level of uh collectedness because and able being able to like compartmentalize what's going on and think that quickly
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whenever like people survivors will do this kind of thing I'm like I just that that's so admirable to me because I have
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a lot of trouble not showing exactly how I feel about a situation like I have a lot you're going to tell if I'm if I'm
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pissed pissed yeah and if I'm upset I'm upset and it's like I have trouble like bending my emotion to go the other way
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and these people can just like like these women just are able to like just Zone in and think so clearly yeah it's
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very admirable when Meanwhile your nervous system is probably the most [ __ ] is definitely the most panicked
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it's ever been losing its mind is out of whack but your brain somehow your mind and and your survival
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just kick in the tension in this moment of him untying her completely silent and
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she's just sitting there hoping like this is I'm hoping this is working yeah she has no idea they could walk down
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together and he could hit her over the head again and this could all start back up he's already horrifically assaulted
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her in every way mhm they both just silently got dressed and returned to the car and started driving again the long
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distance back to Los Angeles over 80 miles once they made it down the mountain and entered Banning Alcala
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stopped at a fast food restaurant to play and he uh went in to place an order and he told Monique to wait for him
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while he went inside to use the bathroom wow as soon so he trusted her at that point she got she was able to convince
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him I'm not going to say anything if you don't and like I'd like to spend more time together yeah as soon as he was out
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of sight she ran to the motel next door and started screaming for help one of the motel guests called 911 while some
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other people brought her into their room to wait for police so again more Good Samaritans here cuz some people hear
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people screaming and they're like I don't want to get involved yeah they're like that sounds crazy or I don't know
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what I heard whatever but these people heard her screaming called the police and said come in here you're safe damn I
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love it so in the meantime alala haded into the car and obviously realized that Mo'Nique had escaped so he got back into
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the car and just dipped like flood that scene completely piece of [ __ ] when police got there Monique gave a
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description of her kidnapper and she knew his name so she told them his name and after picking him out of a photo
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lineup of six images investigators knew exactly where to find Rodney alala of course they did at his mom's house
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because that's where he lives always yeah he was quickly arrested for the assault the next day in his interview
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with detectives he claimed that Mo'Nique had agreed to be photographed by him and
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she said that she would quote simulate sex acts Jesus Christ she's 15 so she can't agree to that he said eventually
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she changed her mind and that's when he started started choking her oh okay oh he's just like you know you can
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understand she why started choking her after you know you know after the child said she wouldn't do that yeah yeah he
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told the detectives that the situation had gotten out of hand he never intended to attack her he said you're in an
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unreasoning situation your brain and you just don't seem to know what to do you're not reasoning you're not thinking
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I raped her so he literally told police outright I raped her and it's like I'm sorry don't try to like under have a
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moment with everyone and be like you know you just don't know what you're doing it's like no most people do know
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what they're doing I know exactly don't try to be on a level with me we're not on the same level no so given his
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violent criminal history the prosecutor asked the judge to set the bail at $50,000 for robney uh yeah for some
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[ __ ] crazy ass reason the judge found that amount to be too high are you kidding me for raping a child for the
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second time for the second time everybody and set I tell you the buffoonery here in the legal system I
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want to look at all of these people today and be like hey you all got blood on your hands yeah want be like how do
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you feel how does that feel they you guys sleep at night they absolutely do do you sleep good at night why I I'm
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like did you read the wrong transcript or you like you knew that he had already raped a child and now he's being accused
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of raping a child again yeah and you're like nah 50,000 is too high how about no
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Bell like I don't know what all the rules are for bail but obviously there was the option here to set it higher at
00:58:30
50,000 he would have killed her raped her he abducted her he took lewd photos of her and also literally was choking
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the life out choked her to the point of unconsciousness yeah at least one time and hit her in the face so hard with a
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tree branch that she lost Consciousness a second time like are you [ __ ] serious
00:58:50
dude so his bail was set at just $10,000 and his mommy wasted no time coming to his Aid beleving that there must have
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been some terrible M she's got to get it she's got to get a [ __ ] grip is what she needs to do AG like you got to hold
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hold your son accountable let's be real 100% on March 16th Rodney was released on bail and returned to Mommy's house to
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await his trial which was scheduled for September that is disgusting and that is
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where we're going to wrap for part two in part three we will see yet another flop of a legal system and many other
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women who ended up losing their lives because of that that is Unthinkable infuriating but
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luckily he gets caught and apprehended and goes to multiple trials which is really [ __ ] annoying and and of
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itself but it ends on a good note at least there's that as good of I should say as good of a note as it can yeah at
00:59:46
least like some justice is served in the end okay I mean I know he's yeah yeah I
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mean [ __ ] he died but I mean [ __ ] he died so Justice was served yes exactly damn like this this is just such a
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[ __ ] brutal and awful case and just full of failure yeah and these poor women and young girls are sitting there
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watching this guy get away with it each time yeah and just like the the ones who
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have escaped who have survived him are watching him literally do it again and again yeah and no one's listening no one
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gives a [ __ ] and it's like we said you know Cheryl Bradshaw obviously must must
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have been terrified just for turning down a date imagine being 15-year-old Mo'Nique you accuse him of rape and his
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bail gets set at $10,000 and he gets out I can't the man who raped you after beating you and strangling you
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unconscious twice is just out on the streets again I really can't what do you how do you how do you deal with that at
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all how do you rationalize that in your brain I don't know if you can to be quite honest but there is unfortunately
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a lot more a lot more horrific details to talk about in part three he's not done but again it ends on as good of a
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note as it can so stay tuned for that we hope you keep listening and we hope you
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