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Hey weirdos. I'm Elena.
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>> I'm Ash.
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>> And this is Morbid.
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Did you just hear my stomach grumble?
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Grumble. Lumble.
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>> It said.
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>> It's usually my stomach that's
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grumbling.
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>> I know. I don't know what's going on.
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>> Mine's loud. I just had a tuna sub.
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>> You did? So, I'm not just
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>> It looked wild, but I
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>> It wasn't good.
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>> Wasn't good.
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>> No. So, we'll see how that pans.
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>> [ __ ] I know. It wasn't bad. It was just
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like It just didn't hit like you wanted
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it to.
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>> No.
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>> That's the worst.
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>> Yeah. I know.
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>> I hate that.
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>> Hopefully, I don't have to run out of
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here in the middle of this.
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>> Hopefully. Imagine. You won't know.
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Listener.
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>> Yeah. So, that's my lunch.
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>> That's That's my lunch. This [ __ ] over
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here shoveled some cheese fries in. She
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said, "Whatever. I'm having cheese
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fries." I did
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>> said I won't be joining you.
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>> I really wanted some. I was craving some
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since I've been sick and then I was
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like, "Give me it."
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>> She wasn't sure how soon she could have
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cheese fries post Naro.
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>> Yeah. So, I just I went for it.
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>> I feel good about it, you know.
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>> Not only that, can I just call you out
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full blast? Spicy chicken nuggets.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Who is she? How do you live this life?
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>> Who lives this way?
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>> I would if I could, but I cannot. I got
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a 6-in tuna salad. I'm like, hopefully
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that's chill. Hopefully that's all
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right.
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>> Hopefully that stays there. Uh yeah, I
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don't know. I I'm like my dad.
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>> I know that [ __ ] can eat
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anything.
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>> I'm just my dad. I can just eat things
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at all hours of night.
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>> I know you're crazy girl.
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>> Spicy doesn't really bother me too much.
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>> I love spicy, but spicy does not love
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me.
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>> And that's the saddest thing I've ever
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heard because
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>> I did I do go spicy sometimes. Like last
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night,
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>> you pay for it. I got these little like
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um like tater tot mac and cheese things
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that had buffalo sauce on them. They
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were good.
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>> That sounds good.
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>> You know what though? I paid for them.
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>> Yeah, you pay.
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>> I had to order Tums at 11:00 p.m.
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>> Damn.
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>> But they make chewable Tums,
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>> which Hey,
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>> and let me tell you, when I got those,
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Drew said, "Aren't they all chewable?"
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>> And I said, I meant chewy like chewy
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like like gummy.
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>> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. They're so good. I had to stop
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myself from eating the whole thing.
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>> Yeah. You can't just eat Tums just as a
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snack.
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>> No, there's a whole warning label on the
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back.
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>> There's a whole warning that you can't
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use.
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>> You're not supposed to have more than
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six in like a 24-hour period.
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>> I had three.
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>> In case you were wondering,
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>> it's like that um Melissa McCarthy and
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and Bridesmaids. I took nine.
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>> I took nine. I think I've overcommitted.
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>> Me with Chewy.
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>> I took nine.
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Oh, so I mean in business, uh, buy the
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Butcher Legacy. You can pre-order it
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anywhere you want to pre-order it.
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>> I'm going to finish it this weekend.
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>> Yeah, there's a lot of there's some
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there's some little announcements and
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little fun things that might be
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happening in the pre-order space. So,
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keep an eye on my socials next week.
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>> Yeah,
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>> because there's some cool stuff I get to
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tell you.
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>> Perhaps a new series started.
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>> Perhaps a new series that I'm going to
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do on socials. I don't know. Maybe.
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>> Could be. Who could be sure?
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>> We're really good at um Easter eggs.
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>> Oh, yeah. So, just, you know, keep an
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eye,
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>> keep an eye, you know,
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>> keep two and maybe it'll make you want
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to pre-order because some incentives
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might be coming your way to pre-order.
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So, period.
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>> Give it a try. Give it a try. Hold on to
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that receipt. Maybe. I don't know. Uh,
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but yeah, just go pre-order it wherever
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you want. Butlelegacy.com.
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>> Yeah, it's really, really [ __ ] good.
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Like, and I know I'm biased, but like
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I'm not even being biased right now. I
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like this one. I love the first two. I
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like this one a million times more.
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>> That honestly I love hearing that.
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>> I like it's the vibe is perfect.
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>> And we're back in New Orleans. I think
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that's important.
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>> We are back in New Orleans.
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>> We're back in New Orleans. Like it's the
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vibe and it's like having time.
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>> I'm excited about that.
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>> It's the fall time. Like these are the
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things you got to tell people.
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>> It's true. I know. I'm not good at
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selling my own book.
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>> I I'll help you.
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>> I appreciate it. That's why I need you.
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And cuz
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>> we're in the morg a lot in this one.
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There's a lot of Morgan in this one.
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There's a This one was the one I had a
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lot of fun writing this one.
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>> You can tell it it comes through.
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>> And this one and that's I love hearing
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that.
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>> It does.
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>> And yeah, this one was really fun. This
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one was like uh a long time coming. A
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lot of weird research for this one.
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>> I'm sure.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I have to admit something.
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>> I love Jeremy.
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Honestly, that's okay. I feel so wrong.
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>> I kind of wanted that. I wanted people
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to love him, but like
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>> I want to punch him. Like I wanted
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people to not want him to go away, but
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like
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>> hate him.
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>> I'm like a little upset that he's behind
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bars.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Like just let him live.
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>> Just let him live, you know?
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>> Don't obviously
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>> don't. But you know, but he's fake. So
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just like don't get mad at me for saying
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that.
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>> Yeah. He's not real.
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>> And I'm rooting for Ren at the same
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time. Of course you
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>> like I want her to kick him in the
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kneecaps.
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>> Why wouldn't it? We love Ren.
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>> I love her so much.
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>> My girl right now.
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>> She's such a baddie.
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>> And she's friends with K Scarbetta. So,
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did guys, did you hear that?
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>> I know.
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>> Did you hear that? Like, I'll never get
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over that. That Patricia Cornwell is
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like, I think Kay and Ren are are really
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good buds.
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>> I think they are, too.
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>> And honestly, like
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May maybe that's true.
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>> Maybe.
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>> And maybe if you pre-order the book,
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>> you can find out more about that.
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>> Maybe you can find out more about that.
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>> All right. I think we plugged the ship.
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That was that was the best plug yet.
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>> I think we did good, guys.
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>> I think we need to plug a little more
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like that cuz a lot of times we're just
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like, order it.
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>> I don't know. But we we don't give any
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detail. realize that's not good enough
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of an incentive to do anything is to
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just be like, "Pre-order this." You're
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probably like, "Shut the [ __ ] up. What
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do you mean?" Like,
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>> I get it. So, hopefully that tickled
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your pickle a little bit.
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>> I hope so.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Mikey said it didn't tickle his pickle.
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Mikey doesn't like
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>> He gave us a thumbs up.
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>> I think that phrase is so funny.
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>> I do too.
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>> What do you like? Tickle your fancy.
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>> Oh, he big eyes. No, he said yes.
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>> Or like blow your skirt up. Does that
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blow your skirt up? who loves to say
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that you all. That didn't really blow my
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skirt up. I love that a lot. What are
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you going to say?
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>> Tickle your pickle sounds really kind of
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perverse to me. It makes me
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uncomfortable when you say it out of
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your mouth.
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>> I'm going to keep doing it then.
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>> I love that a lot. It does sound weird.
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>> It does. Um, another thing that we
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should probably plug, don't stop your
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timer just yet, Carl, cuz we're still
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going.
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>> So,
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>> not yet, Jason.
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>> Yeah, Jason.
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>> Is it actually Jason?
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>> I don't know. man. Uh, we are doing a
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[ __ ] Radio City show.
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>> Yes. In case you didn't know,
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>> in June, June 27th.
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>> June 27th, I should say that
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confidently. That's the date of my show.
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And yours?
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>> It's going to be awesome.
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>> We just booked a special guest and I
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fear you're going to [ __ ] your dicks.
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>> Yeah. So, you got to get excited.
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>> You got to book your tickets. We just
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booked um Can I just say something?
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We're having dresses made in Romania.
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>> Yeah. And we've never done anything like
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that.
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>> We're getting Romanian dresses up in
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this [ __ ] And we're going to shout out
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the maker once everything is like
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settled.
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>> Coolest people. Coolest people. I can't
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wait to like sing their praises.
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>> Yeah. Honestly, because let me tell you,
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>> book talk girlies and and friends,
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you'll love this girl. You'll love her.
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>> Oh yeah. So
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>> Oh, yeah. Just put it out there. I don't
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want to say too much, but you So you
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need to get your ticket. Y
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>> book your hotel. There's not too many
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tickets left, so go get them.
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>> Yeah. And you know what? You don't even
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have to stay in New York for the night.
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You could take a train. Yeah, you can
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back.
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>> The train is nice.
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>> I don't know how late it runs, but Yeah,
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it's okay.
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>> Yeah, whatever. You know, wander the
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streets a little bit.
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>> I wouldn't go that far. That's insane.
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>> Wander the streets until dawn and then
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leave. [ __ ]
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>> What the [ __ ] It's actually everything
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we tell people not to do, man.
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>> I'm just kidding. All right, Carl.
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Jason, hit them.
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>> All right, tell them the number.
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>> Yeah, let's go. So, we finished part one
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and the Mexican authorities had raided
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the Hernandez ranch and took multiple
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people into custody. Everybody was being
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very cocky. Seemed to kind of think they
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were untouchable. What like weren't
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really saying anything aside from the
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caretaker, Domingo Bamante.
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>> Uh he pretty quickly folded and told
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investigators everything he knew,
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including the fact that a young American
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man had been held at the ranch. And when
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he was shown a photo of Mark Kilroy, he
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confirmed, "Yes, that was the man he was
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talking about."
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>> I fear this is going to get really bad.
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I would like to warn you at the top,
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this is a very, and I will I'll give you
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another little warning right when we're
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about to get into it. This is a very
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gruesome case. And
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>> from what I remember, Yes.
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>> What happened to Mark Kilroy is
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unimaginable.
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>> It's heartbreaking. And I hate that his
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family has to know that.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Like, it's awful. But I do think, like
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we were saying in part one, it's such an
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important story to tell because these
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cases do become cautionary tales and if
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it helps one person be a little more
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>> Yeah.
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>> you know, vigilant while they're
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traveling,
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>> they just have more knowledge going in.
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>> Yeah. So, Domingo Bamonte's statement
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broke the case wide open. Less than an
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hour later, little Saraphene was dragged
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from his cell and he was brought into
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one of the interrogation rooms. If you
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remember, he was the one who blew
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through the checkpoint.
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>> Yep. This time, Commander Bonitez was in
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no mood for the 20-year-old's cocky
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attitude and self-certainty. He had had
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enough.
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>> Yeah, I can't say blame them.
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>> So, after slamming the soda water and
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hot sauce concoction down on the table,
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he started rattling off every single
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detail they had learned about the
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operation at the ranch. From the moment
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that little Saraphene had blown through
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that checkpoint all the way up to what
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had just happened in Domingo Bamante's
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interrogation, he was like, "We know
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everything, so you might as well talk."
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>> Yeah. Like you're not having divine
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protection. No.
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>> It might have been the bottle of soda
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water and the hot sauce on the table. Or
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it might have just been Bonitez's
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unwillingness to tolerate any more lies.
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Whatever it was, mystical protection or
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not, little Saraphene started talking.
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>> I feel like it was a good mix of all of
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it. But I really think that soda bottle
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>> Yeah.
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>> maybe pushed it over the edge.
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>> For me, it would for sure be the hot
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sauce. That would be it.
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>> The concoction of it all. So he started
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talking. He confirmed what the agents
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already knew, that they were running the
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drug smuggling uh ring out of the ranch,
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moving drugs back and forth between
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Madamoros and Texas. And then he
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confirmed what they already suspected.
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They had murdered Mark Kilroy at the
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ranch. He told the commander, "It was
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our religion, our voodoo. We did it for
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success. We did it for protection. He
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told us killing would bring us power. He
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told us our souls were dead. When that
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happens, you can do anything to anyone."
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But you shouldn't want to.
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>> No. And I want to point out, I know that
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what we're talking about here is not
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voodoo. I'm not super educated
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>> in voodoo at all, but that's a quote.
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And I know that I'm sure this is vastly
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different what we're talking about today
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than actual voodoo.
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>> Yeah. Like that this is this was a quote
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from this person.
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>> Exactly. So the interrogation took a
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little over 5 hours. And in that time,
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Bonitez and the other agents in the
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room, they learned everything that they
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wanted to know about the smuggling
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operation, but also a lot of stuff that
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they were not prepared to hear. So the
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interrogation took a little over 5
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hours. And in that time, Bonitez and the
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other agents, they learned things that
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they needed to know like about the
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smuggling operation and everything going
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on in that department. But they also
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learned a lot of things that they were
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not prepared for.
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>> Yes. Which I'm sure we are also not
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going to be prepared for.
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>> I'm going to do my best to prepare you,
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but even that will not be enough.
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>> Yeah. So after the death of his uncle
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Saul and his father, Saraphene, little
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Saraphene, and the remaining members of
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his family's organization, they ended up
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joining forces with another gang led by
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El Padrino. That might sound familiar.
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>> Yes.
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>> El Padrino was referenced in that wire
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tap call. Yep. So El Padrino happened to
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be Adalfo Constanzo, who we kind of
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touched on briefly in part one, but
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we'll get more into who he is in this
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part.
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>> Okay.
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>> And this is the final part, just so you
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guys know. So it was Constanzo who
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forced them to adopt his religious
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practices which were it was like a
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bizarre perversion of Paulo Mayomebe
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which was an Afro Cuban religion. It
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honors the dead and engages in rituals
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that involve human bones and some other
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things.
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>> Okay. Now Saraphene told the agents,
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"Adulo is very powerful, very smart. He
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runs our business in Madam Moros. He has
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connections all over Mexico. Movie stars
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go to him. Congressmen."
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So, this is like a well-connected guy. I
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don't know if Congressman actually went
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to him. That was alleged by not mean.
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And when you hear that, you're like,
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"Oh,
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okay. Period.
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>> Got it."
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>> And just to be clear again, like I'm
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describ I'm like naming specific
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religions. The this what we're talking
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about today, it's not these religions. I
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don't know a lot about these religions.
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>> These are religions that they
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referenced, not us.
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>> Exactly. But and like this is what
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they're saying it is. I'm sure it's not
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that at all.
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I don't want anybody to think that I
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think that's what it is or you
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>> Saraphene had a lot of respect for
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Constanzo, but there was also a lot more
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to it. It seemed like he almost woripped
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him and also was terrified of him all at
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the same time.
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>> Yeah, does seem like that.
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>> Yeah, he kept on telling investigators,
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"We did whatever he asked. It's our
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religion and if we didn't do as he said,
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he would kill us or worse." That's so
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scary to hear like it's our religion so
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we did it without being without
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question. It's like that's not what
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religion is not at all.
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>> It's not what it's supposed to be.
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>> And I for me the scariest part of that
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is he would kill us or worse.
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>> Yeah. It's like what the [ __ ] does that
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mean?
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>> What's worse? Now among the things
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Constanzo asked of his men was to
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procure sacrifices for uh Allegua, which
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is that trickster god that we referenced
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in part one. that God would give powers
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and protections for in exchange for
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offerings, which I wonder, and again, I
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don't know anything about this, so this
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is me just wondering out loud. A
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trickster god to me seems like you can't
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trust that,
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>> I would think,
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>> cuz a trickster god is usually like
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>> tricky.
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>> Yeah. Like they're tricky. Like they're
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you don't know if they're being for real
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or not. So, it's just it's an
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interesting thing here
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>> that they're relying so heavily on it.
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>> I know it. Well, and that's the thing
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like Dulo Constanzo, he he modeled his
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whole life over what he thought was
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>> appeasing this god.
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>> Yeah. It's just interesting.
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>> Now, one of those quote unquote
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offerings ended up being Mark Kilroy.
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>> Oh, that's awful. According to
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Saraphene, Constanzo had instructed him
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to go into Madamoros the night that Mark
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went missing and he was to find somebody
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to sacrifice to the gods. This was not
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the first time they had done this.
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He said, "Adulo told us told us we had
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to go get a white male, a young white
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male, like a spring breaker."
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>> Oh, wow.
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>> So, they were like legitimately on the
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hunt for
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>> Mark Kilroy. It was getting late and
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Hernandez and another gang member, Malo
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Torres, still hadn't found anybody. And
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then the bars let out like I talked
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about and the streets were flooded with
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people. Saraphene was standing on the
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street and he actually saw Mark get
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separated from his friends
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>> cuz when he had to like relieve himself.
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>> Yep. And they pounced on that. They
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pretended to sympathize with him. They
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offered, "Oh, we'll drive you back
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across the border. What? We'll get you
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back to your friends. No problem."
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>> Sad.
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>> And this is where things start to get
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really rough. But there's another part
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where they do, too. So, I'm going to
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warn you for both.
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>> So, this is when they kidnapped Mark.
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They jumped him. They tied a blindfold
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around his eyes. They duct tape his
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mouth shut and just wrestled him into
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the Chevy Suburban. And as they stood
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there catching their breath, he actually
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managed to get out of the car and make a
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run for it.
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>> Oh my god.
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>> Which I think is one of the worst parts
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of this story,
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>> but they chased him down and dragged him
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back to the truck. So they brought Mark
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back to the ranch and as Booe, the
00:16:00
caretaker, had indicated, they left him
00:16:02
in the truck overnight and they promised
00:16:04
him that as long as he complied with
00:16:05
their demands, he was not going to be
00:16:07
hurt, which was never the truth.
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>> No,
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>> he was kidnapped to be a sacrifice. This
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is where it's going to get really bad,
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just so everybody knows, like trigger
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warning.
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>> The next day, Adalf Constanzo arrived at
00:16:20
the ranch with about 12 of his
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followers, and they assembled inside the
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shack that they used as kind of like a
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makeshift temple. Like, according to
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them, the outbuilding was actually so
00:16:30
innocuous that agents who were involved
00:16:32
in the raid and who had been to the
00:16:34
property passed by it countless times
00:16:36
when they'd gone to the ranch, and they
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had no idea what had taken place inside.
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And if they had only gone in there, they
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would have seen
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>> he sure
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>> they may have they would have found
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evidence of what had occurred.
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>> That's what I mean. Like they would have
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seen that something happened in there.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So once everybody was gathered in the
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shack, somebody brought Mark from the
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car. They threw him down onto a tarp
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that had been laid out in the out on the
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inside. He stayed blindfolded with his
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mouth taped shut, but they stripped him
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nude. And then Constanzo beat, raped,
00:17:06
and tortured him before finally killing
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him with a brutal blow to the head using
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a machete.
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>> Oh my god.
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>> This is It's We're still not past the
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worst of it.
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>> [ __ ]
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>> When Mark was dead, Constanzo reached
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into the wound that the machete had made
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in his skull and pulled out pieces of
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his brain.
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>> Oh my. This is what they mean when they
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say killed or worse.
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>> Yes. So, the pieces of his brain were
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then placed into a metal cauldron-like
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receptacle that Constanzo referred to as
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the niganga. Um, according to Saraphene,
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this was where the gods received their
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offerings. He told investigators he
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wanted to put his brains in because he
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was going to give the spirits more
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power.
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>> Holy [ __ ]
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>> I'm sure that this religion is not this.
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>> I I don't know anything about it, but
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holy [ __ ] Now, when they had finished
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the quote unquote ritual, Constanzo
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instructed the men to remove uh Mark's
00:18:01
body and bury him on the property. They
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dismembered the body before the burial.
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And when Saraphene was asked if that was
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part of the ritual, he was very blunt
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and told them, "No, it just made his
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body easier to bury."
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>> Oh, yeah.
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>> Jesus. Uh Mark's grave was marked by a
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wire sticking out of the ground and the
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other end of that wire was tied to his
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spinal column so that when his body had
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completely decomposed, quote, the cult
00:18:27
could pull out the vertebrae to make a
00:18:29
necklace.
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Holy [ __ ] This is a human being. How
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are you this devoid of humanity? This is
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a human being who was going out for
00:18:43
probably his last spring break with his
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best friends from high school who got
00:18:48
snatched off the streets and this is
00:18:50
what happened. I just don't get how you
00:18:52
get here. Like I don't get how you get
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so devoid of anything that makes a human
00:18:57
being a human being. I don't understand
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how that just seeps out of you or was
00:19:01
never there to begin with.
00:19:02
>> It's so scary to me. Like there's one
00:19:04
person involved in this who will talk a
00:19:06
little bit about who she was before she
00:19:08
got involved in this and she was just
00:19:10
normal. Like she was somebody that you
00:19:13
might have hung out with after class or
00:19:15
>> wow
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>> known or like a friend of a friend.
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>> Holy [ __ ]
00:19:19
>> And it's that's the thing. It's like how
00:19:20
do people become this deranged within
00:19:23
the time frame that seems like
00:19:25
overnight?
00:19:26
>> Yeah. It's so incredible. Like how do
00:19:28
you just start seeing your fellow human
00:19:30
being as a a sacrifice
00:19:33
>> as nothing as something that's not you?
00:19:37
Like I don't I don't understand that.
00:19:38
I'll never understand that with
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>> I think it's power and I think in this
00:19:42
case drugs.
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>> Holy [ __ ]
00:19:45
>> So the next day, Bonita sat down with
00:19:47
Saraphene again and this time he
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recounted the details with um the
00:19:51
details of his confession for a video
00:19:52
camera. When the interview came to an
00:19:54
end, he told the investigators, "You
00:19:57
won't be able to keep us here. You'll
00:19:58
see."
00:20:01
>> Okay.
00:20:01
>> Really?
00:20:02
>> I don't know about that.
00:20:03
>> You really think that your god's just
00:20:04
going to get you out of here for ripping
00:20:07
somebody's brain matter out?
00:20:09
>> So chilling, though, how confident they
00:20:12
are
00:20:12
>> that this is real. Yep.
00:20:14
>> And that they will not be punished for
00:20:16
this.
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>> Yep. So later that afternoon, the feds
00:20:19
swarmed the ranch for a second time,
00:20:21
arresting anybody who was found on the
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property, and they set up a perimeter to
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search for more bodies. Because it
00:20:27
turned out that while Mark was
00:20:29
definitely the most high-profile victim
00:20:30
of the cult, he was not the only person
00:20:33
who had been killed by these deranged
00:20:36
animals. By the time they finished
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search finished searching the property,
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investigators would exume 14 bodies.
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Holy [ __ ] 14 bodies of other men, all
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of various ages. So they stood back
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while Saraphene worked at gunpoint,
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digging up one body after another from
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shallow graves. Like Mark Kilroy, a lot
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of the other men had been chosen mostly
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for their physical traits or
00:21:01
characteristics that Constanzo believed
00:21:02
would please the spirits. Uh including
00:21:05
one boy who was a member of the
00:21:06
Hernandez family who had been sacrificed
00:21:09
when he was mistaken for somebody else.
00:21:12
Wow. one of their very own family
00:21:14
members. And we'll get into that a
00:21:16
little bit. Wow. According to the
00:21:18
medical examiner, all of these 14 boys
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and men had been killed within the last
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9 months. And in each case, the cause of
00:21:25
death had been a blow from a a sharp
00:21:27
object, which was presumably that
00:21:29
machete.
00:21:30
>> Holy [ __ ]
00:21:31
>> Everybody showed signs of having been
00:21:33
tortured and sexually assaulted, and all
00:21:36
had similar wounds to the ones that Mark
00:21:38
Kilroy had.
00:21:40
>> Jesus. Now, while several agents guarded
00:21:42
Saraphene and Martinez as they worked to
00:21:44
unearth the bodies, countless others
00:21:47
combed over the property, just
00:21:48
collecting any evidence they could, when
00:21:50
they came to the shed, apparently even
00:21:52
the most hardened detectives who had
00:21:54
spent years hunting down Mexico's most
00:21:56
dangerous criminals, they were all
00:21:59
shocked by what they described
00:22:01
unanimously as a human slaughterhouse.
00:22:04
That is the scariest thing I've ever
00:22:06
heard. Yeah. Now, Bonitez, I think I
00:22:08
mentioned it in part one briefly, he had
00:22:10
grown up in a traditional indigenous
00:22:12
community, so he was aware of some of
00:22:14
the characteristics of these different
00:22:16
religions and
00:22:17
>> folklore and stuff.
00:22:18
>> And folklore. Yeah.
00:22:19
>> So, he had he grew up hearing about all
00:22:23
this and that included all manner of
00:22:25
spirits, magic, you name it.
00:22:26
>> Yeah. A lot of times he was teased at
00:22:28
the precinct for having such a strong
00:22:30
belief in the supernatural, but this was
00:22:32
the one time that most of the men who
00:22:34
were working under him were incredibly
00:22:36
grateful for his superstitious
00:22:38
upbringing.
00:22:39
>> When he learned of the potential cult
00:22:41
related activity in the murders, he
00:22:43
actually called on a doctor, um, a
00:22:44
professor of anthropology, Dr. Anthony
00:22:47
Zavaleta, and he was an expert in
00:22:50
AfroCaribbean religions. So if anybody
00:22:53
was going to help them navigate this
00:22:54
whole unfamiliar world, it was going to
00:22:56
be him.
00:22:57
>> Yeah.
00:22:57
>> Now, even with all of his experience,
00:23:00
Zavaleta was horrified by what he saw on
00:23:03
the ranch that day.
00:23:03
>> Oh, I can imagine.
00:23:04
>> He told a reporter, "I've I have 40
00:23:07
years studying Bharia or witchcraft. And
00:23:09
I've been to places and seen things that
00:23:11
ordinarily would make your hair stand on
00:23:13
end, but I was not ready for what I
00:23:15
encountered that day."
00:23:16
>> I don't think anybody could be.
00:23:17
>> How I That's how you ever prepare
00:23:19
yourself for This sounds completely out
00:23:21
of the realm of anything you could
00:23:23
conjure.
00:23:24
>> It really does. So, like the agents on
00:23:26
scene, Zavaleta was most disturbed by
00:23:29
the shack where Constanzo and his cult
00:23:31
members performed their I hate to even
00:23:33
call them rituals because quote unquote
00:23:35
where they murdered people is what we
00:23:36
should say.
00:23:36
>> They're murderers. Yeah. In the cauldron
00:23:39
situated in the center of the shack,
00:23:40
there was what still appeared to be
00:23:42
brain matter along with quote other
00:23:44
organs and a mixture of slop and blood
00:23:47
just still sitting there. This is like
00:23:49
[ __ ] you would hear about in a horror
00:23:51
movie that you're like, "That's too
00:23:52
far." Yep.
00:23:54
>> But this is real. Like this really
00:23:56
happened. This is real. Now later when
00:23:58
the contents were analyzed, they would
00:24:00
be identified as a combination of human
00:24:03
brains, animal parts, chicken bones, and
00:24:05
other natural debris.
00:24:07
>> Wow.
00:24:07
>> Upon leaving the shack, Zavaleta
00:24:09
approached Bonitez and told him, "This
00:24:11
is Palo Mayomebe. You need to look for a
00:24:13
Cubano. This is a Cuban doing this. It's
00:24:16
not a Mexican."
00:24:17
>> Oh. And that was actually valuable
00:24:18
information.
00:24:19
>> Okay.
00:24:20
>> Now, like we know from part one, the
00:24:22
local authorities in Madamoros, they
00:24:24
were familiar with the Hernandez family
00:24:25
and we went over that. So, when they
00:24:27
learned of the activity at the ranch
00:24:28
that involved Saraphene and the other
00:24:30
members of the gang, most if not all of
00:24:32
the names were known to them.
00:24:33
>> Yeah.
00:24:34
>> All except one that kept coming up over
00:24:36
and over again, especially after
00:24:38
Saraphene gave his confession. Adulo
00:24:40
Constanzo.
00:24:41
>> El Padrino.
00:24:42
>> El Padrino. Exactly. So, Adulo De Jesus
00:24:45
Constanzo. He was born November 1st,
00:24:48
1962 in Miami, Florida to a 15-year-old
00:24:52
single mother.
00:24:53
>> 15.
00:24:54
>> 15year-old. Her name was Dileia
00:24:55
Gonzalez, and she was a Cuban immigrant.
00:24:58
So, obviously, he too was Cuban.
00:25:00
>> Yeah.
00:25:01
>> So, so
00:25:01
>> it's exactly what the the doctor said.
00:25:04
>> Sorry, there might be a plane landing on
00:25:05
my house. I know.
00:25:06
>> Dang,
00:25:07
>> that was low.
00:25:08
>> So, like many single parents, Dillia
00:25:10
spent a lot of her life just struggling
00:25:12
to support her family, of course,
00:25:13
>> because she didn't just have uh Adulo as
00:25:16
a son. She had two other children too.
00:25:18
She baptized and raised her kids as
00:25:20
Catholics, but she also exposed them to
00:25:22
voodoo and other AfroCaribbean langu
00:25:25
religions that would eventually have as
00:25:27
we know a very profound effect on Adulo
00:25:30
specifically. As a child, he was
00:25:32
remembered as a very serious boy. People
00:25:35
said he never laughed and that he was
00:25:37
obsessively neat.
00:25:38
>> Like kind of like OCD it seemed like he
00:25:41
had. Author Jim Shutzer wrote, "Even as
00:25:44
a very little boy, he was meticulous in
00:25:46
ways that seem strange to the adults
00:25:47
around him."
00:25:48
>> So, I'm sure he was not getting a lot of
00:25:51
support for that.
00:25:52
>> No, I don't think so.
00:25:53
>> At an early age, he had a preoccupation
00:25:55
with his clothing and his appearance
00:25:57
specifically. And everybody from
00:25:59
neighbors to strangers though, they were
00:26:01
constantly commenting on his looks. They
00:26:03
thought he was beautiful.
00:26:04
>> Oh, wow.
00:26:05
>> Obviously, he was not. As he grew older,
00:26:07
the obsessive behaviors and his fixation
00:26:09
on his appearance kind of became one of
00:26:11
the things that he got teased for the
00:26:12
older he got, which inevitably brought
00:26:15
on the more spiteful and aggressive side
00:26:16
of his personality. That's when it
00:26:18
really started to come out. Uh Jim
00:26:20
Shoots wrote, "On a few occasions when
00:26:22
fellow students made the mistake of
00:26:24
teasing Adelfo about his weird habits,
00:26:26
the response was swift and unnerving. No
00:26:28
one in Cuban, Miami needed more than a
00:26:30
few seconds to figure out the meaning of
00:26:32
bloody animal heads and other signs that
00:26:35
appeared the next day at the front door
00:26:36
of the offending schoolmates's home.
00:26:38
>> Holy [ __ ]
00:26:40
>> So, if you were I know I'm saying that a
00:26:42
lot, but that's really like I'm just
00:26:43
incredulous.
00:26:44
>> If you teased him, he left a bloody
00:26:47
animal head staked outside your door.
00:26:51
>> And was anybody thinking that like, hey,
00:26:54
these are red flags?
00:26:57
I guess it was the 60s.
00:26:59
Whoa. I don't know. I don't know what
00:27:01
the excuse is here for that.
00:27:03
>> I don't I don't know what decade that
00:27:04
would not be a red flag to me.
00:27:06
>> I don't know. Holy [ __ ] I I'm sure it
00:27:08
was a red flag to Middle Earth.
00:27:10
>> Like that's the Game of Thrones is
00:27:13
really only where that would be
00:27:14
acceptable, I think.
00:27:15
>> And even then, it was kind of red flag.
00:27:16
>> Even then, you're like, "Oh, something's
00:27:17
wrong here."
00:27:18
>> Yeah. I feel like this is going to go
00:27:19
ary. And it sure does.
00:27:20
>> Holy [ __ ] Now, under normal
00:27:22
circumstances, his strange behaviors,
00:27:24
aside from his retaliation, just like
00:27:26
the fact that he was very meticulous and
00:27:28
that kind of thing, yeah, may have just
00:27:30
been written off as like a phase that
00:27:31
kids go through. But to his devoutly
00:27:34
religious mother and the superstitious
00:27:36
community that she was kind of
00:27:37
specifically steeped in, it was
00:27:39
something else. They saw his uncommon
00:27:42
beauty and his ability to catch the
00:27:44
attention of strangers and his
00:27:45
organization and all of it as some kind
00:27:48
of divine gift. That's what they always
00:27:50
said. He had a divine gift.
00:27:52
>> Okay.
00:27:52
>> But at the same time, shoots noted most
00:27:54
of the people in Cuban Miami who were
00:27:56
around Adulo and his mother for any
00:27:58
length of time knew exactly what this
00:28:00
little boy's demeanor meant and it
00:28:02
frightened them.
00:28:03
>> So there weren't there were people who
00:28:06
saw these red flags. Like
00:28:07
>> yeah, there were people who were like,
00:28:08
"This is not right.
00:28:09
>> It wasn't going unnoticed, but
00:28:10
apparently they had a strong community
00:28:12
around them that was willing to protect
00:28:13
him and maybe was unwilling to believe
00:28:16
that he was responsible for these kinds
00:28:17
of things." Yeah. Also, neighbors had
00:28:20
always thought that it was a little
00:28:21
suspicious how Adulo's father just
00:28:23
disappeared one day about a year after
00:28:26
they arrived in Miami. Huh. Yeah. His
00:28:29
mother and his grandmother said that the
00:28:31
father had just run away. But there were
00:28:33
always whispers of Dillia's practices of
00:28:35
black magic. Like how her new husband's
00:28:37
business had gone from failing to
00:28:39
prosperous seemingly overnight. And how
00:28:42
that same husband seemed to be afraid of
00:28:44
his eldest stepson, Adalfo.
00:28:46
>> Mhm. and the spiritual role that his mom
00:28:49
almost seemed to be grooming him for.
00:28:51
This was all talk in the town.
00:28:53
>> Yeah. So, when Dia's successful husband
00:28:55
died from a sudden mysterious illness in
00:28:58
1960 uh 1973,
00:29:01
>> he left her and the children with a
00:29:02
pretty decent inheritance that meant
00:29:04
that they didn't really have to work
00:29:05
anymore to support themselves. Now, that
00:29:08
didn't mean that Adula was now free to
00:29:10
just like focus on regular things like
00:29:12
school work or spending time with
00:29:13
friends. His mother assured him that he
00:29:15
was much too special to worry about
00:29:17
those mundane things.
00:29:19
>> Yeah. We don't we don't need to bother
00:29:20
ourselves with things like friends.
00:29:22
>> Yeah. No, other human things, you know.
00:29:26
No.
00:29:26
>> Now, here's the more thing. Speaking
00:29:28
like
00:29:28
>> it. I want I want to know what she
00:29:30
considered mundane and like not mundane
00:29:32
because she always loved movies,
00:29:33
especially since she was like a kid in
00:29:35
Cuba. She was very obsessed with like
00:29:36
movie stars and going to the movies,
00:29:38
that kind of thing. Yeah.
00:29:39
>> And she loved how American movie stars
00:29:41
in particular like commanded attention
00:29:44
and wielded power with the public. She
00:29:45
found that fascinating.
00:29:47
>> And like movies aren't mundane to you,
00:29:48
but friends are. Like what?
00:29:49
>> I know that doesn't make sense. You know
00:29:51
what? There was this era though that I
00:29:53
feel like movie stars were otherworldly.
00:29:56
>> Yes.
00:29:56
>> You know what I mean? Like it was a
00:29:57
totally different kind of
00:29:59
>> era
00:29:59
>> thing. Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:01
>> Well, she was confident though that her
00:30:02
son Adulo could command that same power.
00:30:05
She said, "Movie star vibes. Just stop
00:30:07
putting bloody animals on.
00:30:09
>> I was going to say there there is that
00:30:10
one little thing though as he does.
00:30:12
>> She wasn't worried that it was like
00:30:13
going to be a hindrance though.
00:30:15
>> Yeah, she's not worried about that.
00:30:16
>> No, don't worry about that.
00:30:17
>> Don't worry about the mundane things,
00:30:18
>> you know.
00:30:18
>> Now, by the time he was in his mid-
00:30:20
teens, uh Adula was providing spiritual
00:30:22
services to the more superstitious
00:30:24
believers in the Miami Cuban community,
00:30:27
which if he wasn't who he was, would be
00:30:30
quite fascinating.
00:30:31
>> Yeah, for sure.
00:30:31
>> Like I'm into spiritual services,
00:30:34
>> not these kind for sure.
00:30:35
>> No. Uh, Dileia assured everybody that
00:30:37
her son had great powers and he could
00:30:39
see things others couldn't. He could
00:30:41
communicate with the spirit world. At
00:30:43
first, it was just like the occasional
00:30:45
housewife who went by Dileas to sit with
00:30:47
Adulo and have her fortune told, which
00:30:49
like, cool. But as months passed and
00:30:51
word got out, the visitors became more
00:30:53
frequent and they brought money.
00:30:55
>> So, he was really making money at doing
00:30:57
this. Now, when he graduated high school
00:30:59
in 1980 with all his supposed gifts, he
00:31:01
saw no reason to go to college. He's
00:31:03
gifted.
00:31:04
>> No, that's mundane. Yeah, college. But
00:31:07
>> instead, he worked occasional odd jobs
00:31:09
to make a little extra money beyond what
00:31:11
he got from the fortuneelling, but he
00:31:13
mostly spent his time hanging out with
00:31:14
his growing group of followers and
00:31:16
exploring his sexuality with men and
00:31:18
women. Now, on a trip to Mexico City in
00:31:21
1981, he was actually arrested for
00:31:23
shoplifting, which is wild because he
00:31:25
had money.
00:31:26
>> You're making money.
00:31:26
>> Not only is he making money, he was left
00:31:28
an inheritance where he really didn't
00:31:29
have to work anymore.
00:31:30
>> Oh, yeah. That's that's like thrill. He
00:31:32
just liked money thrill
00:31:34
>> and it also it is the thrill of it
00:31:36
because it became a regular habit
00:31:38
throughout the 80s
00:31:39
>> because remember he doesn't like m
00:31:40
mundane [ __ ] and he's been told all his
00:31:42
life you are not on this earth for
00:31:45
mundane [ __ ] so he's looking for that
00:31:46
extra thing
00:31:47
>> well and you're gifted you're talented
00:31:49
like you're not you're you're protected
00:31:51
I'm sure he thought by these these gods
00:31:52
that you're speaking to. So even though
00:31:55
he had this like shoplifting stint and
00:31:57
that he was actually arrested for, he
00:31:59
still managed to find success in Mexico,
00:32:02
especially when he was offered a
00:32:03
modeling job
00:32:04
>> to Dileia. The job was further
00:32:06
confirmation that he had the power and
00:32:08
influence she always thought. So she
00:32:10
moved with him to Mexico City to in
00:32:12
hopes that he would fulfill his destiny
00:32:13
and she could be there to watch.
00:32:14
>> Yeah, of course. Now, he actually did
00:32:16
find a lot of success as a model, but it
00:32:19
was his supposed supernatural abilities
00:32:21
that he really became known for in
00:32:23
Mexico City first before he became known
00:32:25
for what he's known for now.
00:32:27
>> Eventually, he started to offer his
00:32:28
fortuneelling services to the wealthy
00:32:30
and elite of Mexico City. So, when
00:32:33
little Saraphene earlier was saying like
00:32:35
movie stars and congressmen,
00:32:36
>> Yeah.
00:32:37
>> it could have been right here.
00:32:38
>> Yeah, there you go. Now, his most
00:32:40
popular services actually weren't his
00:32:42
fortunes, but instead became his curses.
00:32:46
Oh,
00:32:47
>> he offered to put curses on people's
00:32:49
enemies for a price.
00:32:50
>> That's such bad vibes.
00:32:52
>> It is.
00:32:53
>> That's bad vibes.
00:32:54
>> But this this service became
00:32:56
particularly popular, and it makes sense
00:32:58
among the local drug dealers and the
00:33:00
cartels.
00:33:01
>> Yeah. I mean, that makes sense.
00:33:02
>> It makes perfect sense. Now, it's
00:33:04
unclear how he really eventually
00:33:05
connected with these criminal gangs
00:33:07
along the border, but it was probably
00:33:09
the the services that he was offering
00:33:11
and his supposed gifts that drew
00:33:13
everybody to him
00:33:14
>> and he found them to be easily
00:33:16
manipulated through superstition.
00:33:17
>> So, he saw his niche.
00:33:19
>> Yeah, of course.
00:33:20
>> It's a horrible niche, but he identified
00:33:22
it.
00:33:22
>> He's jumping into it. Now, in 1988,
00:33:24
after Saul Hernandez and Saraphene
00:33:26
Senior were killed and the Hernandez
00:33:28
operation was in danger of falling
00:33:30
apart, Elio Hernandez became the new
00:33:32
deacto leader. He was pretty much as
00:33:35
ruthless as his brother had been, his
00:33:36
brother Saul. Uh, but he was still
00:33:39
taking over an organization that was on
00:33:41
the brink of collapse. So, he needed
00:33:42
help.
00:33:43
>> And he figured what they really
00:33:44
specifically needed was good protection.
00:33:47
And there was no better protection than
00:33:49
magic. So, Ilio set out to find the one
00:33:52
that could guarantee their safety. And
00:33:54
it seems that he likely met Adulo
00:33:57
Constanzo through Sarah Maria Adrete,
00:34:00
who I mentioned was um Adulo's high
00:34:02
priestess.
00:34:03
>> Oh, yes.
00:34:03
>> In part one. She was a friend of Ilios,
00:34:06
who dabbled in black magic. And of
00:34:08
course, as we know, she knew Adalfo.
00:34:10
Now, at 22 years old, she was a college
00:34:12
student just living in Brownsville,
00:34:14
Texas when an unexpected divorce had her
00:34:17
move back to Madam Moros to live with
00:34:18
her parents. She always talked about
00:34:20
wanting to become a teacher.
00:34:23
>> Oh, so like I said, she was just a
00:34:25
regular girly going to college wanting
00:34:28
to be a teacher and then she met Adalfo
00:34:31
Constanzo.
00:34:32
>> She's just going to mold young minds.
00:34:34
She was going to mold young minds.
00:34:36
>> Whoa. Adulo and Sarah met one afternoon
00:34:38
in the summer of 87 when he stopped his
00:34:41
car in the middle of a crowded street
00:34:42
causing a traffic jam just to meet her.
00:34:45
>> Whoa. Apparently, this was like a thing
00:34:46
in Madamoros, like men would put these
00:34:48
big displays of affection on for women
00:34:50
that they wanted to end up being with.
00:34:52
>> Okay. It's like a peacock situation.
00:34:53
>> Yeah, very much so. Exactly. So, she was
00:34:56
familiar with this and she always found
00:34:57
it kind of like repulsive.
00:34:58
>> Yeah. She's like, "No thanks."
00:34:59
>> But for some reason, there was something
00:35:01
about Adulo that she liked. She saw that
00:35:03
he was gifted and talented.
00:35:06
Now, she didn't find him brash or
00:35:08
overconfident. She said he was or she
00:35:10
felt like he was just magnetic. And it
00:35:12
didn't take long before she was brought
00:35:13
into the fold and familiarized with the
00:35:15
ways of his religion, his quote unquote
00:35:18
religion. But she probably didn't know
00:35:20
that she wasn't the first woman to join
00:35:22
his group. There had been actually two
00:35:24
before her that served as high
00:35:26
priestess.
00:35:27
>> Oh, yeah. Where'd they go?
00:35:29
>> Uh, they mysteriously vanished within a
00:35:31
year of meeting Adulo Constanzo. You
00:35:34
know what? It's not my business.
00:35:36
>> Isn't it weird how people just
00:35:38
mysteriously vanish when they know him
00:35:40
or his family?
00:35:40
>> Yeah, it's very There's a lot of
00:35:42
mysterious vanishing happening here and
00:35:44
it's making me very uncomfortable.
00:35:46
>> Elena, it's just magic.
00:35:47
>> I have anxiety listening to this.
00:35:49
>> It's a lot just cuz this world is like
00:35:52
everything about all of this.
00:35:53
>> It's so dark. Feels so scary to me. Like
00:35:55
I'm so anxious just thinking about it.
00:35:58
>> Yeah. Now, at first, what brought the
00:36:00
Hernandezes and the Constano and
00:36:01
Constanzo's followers together were the
00:36:04
drugs and the money, not the religion.
00:36:06
But in time, that changed because the
00:36:07
deeper that they all got into Pa May,
00:36:10
the more the spiritual practices and
00:36:12
beliefs took over their lives. Now, to
00:36:14
Tony Zavaleta, the doctor who actually
00:36:17
knew Sarah well.
00:36:18
>> Wow. Her rapid transformation from a
00:36:21
straight A student in his class. So,
00:36:24
literally the the doctor that was
00:36:26
brought in as an expert on this religion
00:36:28
ended up knowing one of these followers
00:36:30
because she was in his class that he
00:36:32
taught. That's incredible in the worst
00:36:35
way. It really is. He found her
00:36:37
transformation to be almost
00:36:39
unbelievable.
00:36:40
>> Yeah.
00:36:40
>> He said, "She sat in my anthropology
00:36:42
class all semester, an A student, always
00:36:45
present, always friendly. I never saw
00:36:47
her wear an emblem, an amulet, a
00:36:49
talisman, any sign of black magic. and I
00:36:52
am trained to watch out for such things.
00:36:54
I never heard her ask a weird question
00:36:56
even when we talked about weird
00:36:57
religions. So, it really was like
00:37:01
switch. Yeah, light switch.
00:37:03
>> Now, there's no way of knowing exactly
00:37:04
how many people unfortunately were
00:37:06
murdered by the cult between 88 and '
00:37:08
89. But according to Gary Cartrite, the
00:37:11
earliest victims were quote selected
00:37:13
from the ranks of enemies, rival drug
00:37:15
dealers or dirty cops who had gone back
00:37:17
on an agreement.
00:37:18
>> Yeah. Now to Ilio Hernandez, this made
00:37:21
sense. He could appease Constanzo and
00:37:23
also get rid of his enemies and rivals
00:37:25
at the same time. Yeah,
00:37:27
>> it was perfect for him.
00:37:28
>> It makes sense in that way,
00:37:29
>> right? But soon the murders became much
00:37:32
more cruel, much more sadistic, and very
00:37:34
reckless.
00:37:36
>> This is horrific. And uh we lightly
00:37:40
touched on this earlier.
00:37:41
>> Oh boy. In one instance, when Ioia was
00:37:43
forced to shoot the man they planned to
00:37:45
sacrifice before the ceremony began, so
00:37:47
things went wrong, he sent out three of
00:37:49
his henchmen to find a replacement. And
00:37:51
any replacement would do. They said they
00:37:53
just needed somebody stat.
00:37:55
>> [ __ ]
00:37:56
>> So the followers did as they were told,
00:37:58
and they grabbed a 14-year-old boy.
00:38:00
>> Oh my god.
00:38:01
>> He had gone out in the night to look for
00:38:03
a lost goat.
00:38:04
>> Oh. It was only later when the
00:38:07
sacrifice, aka the murder, was finished
00:38:11
that Elio realized he had murdered his
00:38:13
own nephew.
00:38:16
Oh my god. Because before that, they had
00:38:18
a hood over his head. But once they
00:38:20
lifted the hood, he realized they had
00:38:22
sacrificed quote unquote his own nephew.
00:38:26
>> What are the [ __ ] odds of that? And
00:38:29
also, how do you put your head on the
00:38:32
pillow at night doing what you do
00:38:34
anyway? But it's so reckless now that
00:38:36
you've [ __ ] accidentally murdered
00:38:39
your own family off the street.
00:38:41
>> You have to be so detached from
00:38:45
>> because
00:38:45
>> anything even slightly resembling
00:38:48
humanity.
00:38:48
>> They also just continued on doing the
00:38:50
same thing that didn't that wasn't like
00:38:52
a wakeup call like shit's getting way
00:38:56
too chaotic. Like we need to take a step
00:38:59
here.
00:38:59
>> It's insane. But now by the time they
00:39:02
killed Mark Kilroy, all of Adalfo
00:39:04
Constanzo's followers had come to see
00:39:06
him himself as some kind of god, like
00:39:08
some kind of divine being.
00:39:09
>> He commanded their respect. They were
00:39:11
afraid of him. And as a result, they
00:39:13
would do whatever he wanted, no matter
00:39:15
how heinous. And especially if there was
00:39:18
something they thought was to be gained
00:39:19
from the brutality and the cruelty.
00:39:21
Because that's the thing, the more
00:39:23
cruel, the more brutal, the more
00:39:26
horrific these things, these these
00:39:28
murders were, they thought they were
00:39:30
getting more benefit from that, more
00:39:32
protection.
00:39:33
>> I don't know how you rationalize that
00:39:37
>> in your brain.
00:39:37
>> That's what they I keep going back to
00:39:40
it. I'm like, how does this [ __ ]
00:39:42
happen?
00:39:43
>> You just have to you have to lose total
00:39:46
grip on reality. Like, you don't have
00:39:48
any empathy for another human being.
00:39:50
Like I just like I can't wrap my brain
00:39:53
around that
00:39:53
>> and just like to be that untethered. I
00:39:56
think like that's the word untethered to
00:39:57
reality.
00:39:58
>> Untethered from humanity in reality cuz
00:40:00
like there are people I can't [ __ ]
00:40:02
stand.
00:40:03
>> Of course. Absolutely.
00:40:04
>> But if I saw something horrible
00:40:06
happening to them and they like cried or
00:40:08
were upset, something in me would feel
00:40:11
empathy
00:40:12
>> and intervene
00:40:13
>> and have to like not be a part of that
00:40:15
and like not let that happen. It's like
00:40:18
people I hate like you know what I mean?
00:40:20
Like it's I can't
00:40:21
>> because that's humanity.
00:40:22
>> Imagine like that's empathy. That's
00:40:25
sympathy. But some people just aren't
00:40:27
equipped with those emotions
00:40:29
>> and a stranger.
00:40:30
>> Yeah.
00:40:30
>> Too. That's the other thing. It's like
00:40:32
you know nothing about this person's
00:40:33
life or who loves them or who they love
00:40:36
or what they're going through or what
00:40:38
they had planned and you just
00:40:39
>> and you just don't care.
00:40:40
>> Intervening and and removing it
00:40:44
>> and you and you feel entitled to do so.
00:40:46
>> Yeah. You feel entitled and you feel
00:40:47
like you get something out of that. It's
00:40:49
like that's so gross.
00:40:50
>> I can't make sense of that.
00:40:51
>> Yeah. Now, as soon as uh Commander
00:40:54
Bonitez saw the signs of witchcraft at
00:40:56
the ranch and his suspicions were then
00:40:57
confirmed by Dr. Zavaleta, he called the
00:41:00
investigation actually to an immediate
00:41:01
halt. The search would not continue, he
00:41:04
said, until the black magic on the
00:41:06
property had been neutralized
00:41:07
>> because he knows about this [ __ ]
00:41:08
>> He knows about this [ __ ] and it's it is
00:41:10
taken very seriously in the in these
00:41:12
particular cultures.
00:41:13
>> And you don't want to [ __ ] around with
00:41:14
that,
00:41:14
>> honestly. I know it sounds a little out
00:41:17
there, like what are you talking about?
00:41:19
You have to neutralize the scene before
00:41:20
you investigate. And I do think there
00:41:22
were some things that were done that
00:41:24
probably weren't great as far as
00:41:25
investigation goes, but it works out.
00:41:27
>> But like this is a this is a deeply
00:41:31
uh ingrained thing in these cultures.
00:41:33
>> Well, you have to that's the thing. And
00:41:34
when a culture believes something to
00:41:36
that extent and like the energy is put
00:41:39
into it like that,
00:41:40
>> you have to take it seriously and you
00:41:42
have to do the correct steps to make
00:41:44
sure you're doing everything right.
00:41:46
Right. Like you have to allow them to do
00:41:48
what they need to do at the end of the
00:41:50
day.
00:41:50
>> Yeah.
00:41:51
>> So Bonitez contacted and again I hope I
00:41:53
say this right. I know I'm just a little
00:41:54
white girl. A Kirando which is a white
00:41:57
witch to come to the property and
00:41:59
cleanse the area. But they wanted to
00:42:01
wait until Sunday, which is the Lord's
00:42:03
Day, when the cleansing magic would be
00:42:05
the most powerful.
00:42:06
>> Okay.
00:42:06
>> So, in the meantime, Bonitez and the
00:42:08
American authorities poured over
00:42:09
Constanzo's journals and other evidence
00:42:11
that they were able to get from the
00:42:13
scene.
00:42:13
>> They managed to round up several members
00:42:15
of his gang, but he himself, El Padrino,
00:42:18
and his high priestess Sarah were still
00:42:20
unaccounted for and presumably at this
00:42:23
point on the run.
00:42:24
>> What the [ __ ] The journals indicated
00:42:26
that his activity was obviously not
00:42:28
confined to the ranch. There were other
00:42:30
altars, quote unquote, around Mexico
00:42:32
where sacrifices had been performed. Uh,
00:42:34
Agent Raphael Martinez said, "Another
00:42:37
murder to appease the spirits and keep
00:42:39
the fugitive free is not only a
00:42:40
possibility, it's a probability." Damn.
00:42:43
Now, when Sunday finally arrived, the
00:42:45
agents all gathered back at the ranch
00:42:47
with several of their uh irritable
00:42:49
American counterparts, and they watched
00:42:52
as the White Witch set about cleansing
00:42:54
the property. The first step was to
00:42:56
destroy the shack where the rituals had
00:42:58
occurred. M
00:42:58
>> I could understand if you weren't
00:43:00
familiar with this religion or this
00:43:02
culture being like why would you burn
00:43:04
down
00:43:05
>> crucial evidence?
00:43:06
>> Well, that's the thing that would be
00:43:07
like you're just like I wouldn't quite
00:43:09
understand that but you're on their soil
00:43:11
and you have to do what you have to do.
00:43:13
>> What can you do here
00:43:14
>> now? Once the flames had died and the
00:43:16
structure itself was just a pile of ash
00:43:18
and rubble, the white witch crept up to
00:43:20
the cauldron with a 2x4 in one hand.
00:43:23
Humes wrote, "He approached the thing as
00:43:25
if it was a wounded animal capable of
00:43:27
attacking anybody who entered its den,
00:43:29
and then to everybody's surprise, he
00:43:31
rushed forward and smashed the cauldron
00:43:33
with the club and then leapt back,
00:43:35
almost like he was waiting for a
00:43:37
corresponding attack, like something to
00:43:38
come at him,
00:43:39
>> retaliation." When nothing happened, he
00:43:41
seemed satisfied that the black magic
00:43:43
had been neutralized. He spent a few
00:43:45
more hours at the property cleansing
00:43:46
with holy water and performing other
00:43:48
rituals and then gave Bonitz the
00:43:50
allclear that allowed them to continue
00:43:52
on with the investigation.
00:43:54
Now, as soon as the investigation really
00:43:56
got back on track, the story hit the
00:43:58
newspapers and all the sensational and
00:44:01
salacious details would continue to be
00:44:03
front page news in the weeks that
00:44:05
followed. Obviously, in the days after
00:44:07
the story broke, Brad Moore, who was
00:44:09
Mark Kilroyy's one of his closest
00:44:10
friends, told a reporter, "I'm still
00:44:12
really in shock about it. I know he's in
00:44:14
a better place. I know that he was a
00:44:16
very good person.
00:44:17
>> Just breaks your heart.
00:44:18
>> Yeah, that's awful. Now, in the days
00:44:20
that followed, investigators were able
00:44:22
to identify three more bodies that were
00:44:24
unearthed at the ranch. There was
00:44:26
Valenta Delierro, a local man in his 30s
00:44:28
who had been shot with a 9 mm. There was
00:44:32
Gilberto Garza Sosa, a railroad security
00:44:34
guard whose neckbones were all broken
00:44:37
from what the medical examiner believed
00:44:39
was a hanging. And there was Cesar Caita
00:44:42
who was a former Matamoros police
00:44:44
officer and his body showed signs of
00:44:47
torture.
00:44:48
>> Holy [ __ ]
00:44:49
>> Uh it was Ceada actually Seda who Elio
00:44:52
had shot prematurely which required them
00:44:54
to find a new victim and that obviously
00:44:56
resulted in the death of his own nephew,
00:44:58
his 14-year-old nephew.
00:45:00
>> 14 years old.
00:45:01
>> But unfortunately many of the other
00:45:03
victims would remain unidentified.
00:45:05
>> That's really sad.
00:45:06
>> It is. Now, while his family, Mark
00:45:08
Kilroy's family, struggled to process
00:45:11
the revelation that he was dead, that he
00:45:13
wasn't coming home, and the press had a
00:45:15
field day playing up all the shocking
00:45:17
aspects of the story. Authorities on
00:45:19
both sides of the border got to work
00:45:21
just trying to apprehend everybody who
00:45:23
was responsible and obviously doing
00:45:26
their best to hunt down Adalfo
00:45:27
Constanzo. By the time the agents were
00:45:30
searching the ranch, they had many of
00:45:32
the members of the gang in custody. But
00:45:34
like we said, as soon as he heard Adalfa
00:45:36
Constanzo of the raid, he and Sarah
00:45:38
escaped to Brownsville along with cult
00:45:41
members Martine Quintana Rodriguez, Omar
00:45:44
Francisco Orakoa, and Alvaro El Dubie
00:45:48
Deleon Valdez. And they were all wanted
00:45:50
for murder. Now, believing that
00:45:54
Constanzo and the others might be hiding
00:45:55
out at like a hotel or something like
00:45:57
that in Bronzeville, federal agents in
00:45:59
the US assembled a team and they raided
00:46:01
the hotel. But by the time they arrived,
00:46:04
the group had already caught a flight
00:46:05
out of Texas to Mexico City, and that's
00:46:08
where Constano actually had an
00:46:10
apartment.
00:46:11
>> Wow.
00:46:11
>> He had multiple places to stay on both
00:46:13
sides of the border.
00:46:15
>> It took several weeks, but Mexican
00:46:17
authorities finally caught up with the
00:46:18
fugitive cult members in Mexico City at
00:46:20
the end of April. When they raided
00:46:22
Constanzo's apartment, they found
00:46:24
altars. They found candles and other
00:46:26
occult objects inside, but they didn't
00:46:28
find any evidence that a violent crime
00:46:30
had been committed there
00:46:31
>> in that location.
00:46:32
>> In that location. So, that was a little
00:46:34
tough.
00:46:34
>> Yeah.
00:46:35
>> Now, a week later on May 6th, a resident
00:46:37
of an apartment complex in Mexico City
00:46:40
called the police to report a domestic
00:46:42
disturbance. Now, the police thought
00:46:44
that might have been Constanzo and the
00:46:45
others, so they brought reinforcements.
00:46:48
And the report actually ended up being
00:46:50
unrelated to Constanzo.
00:46:51
>> Oh wow.
00:46:52
>> But it did result in gunfire between the
00:46:54
suspect and the police. And in a b in a
00:46:57
bizarre coincidence, Constanzo was
00:46:59
staying in an apartment complex nearby.
00:47:02
>> What?
00:47:03
>> And when he heard the gunfire between
00:47:05
the police and the suspect in the
00:47:06
domestic dispute, he assumed that the
00:47:08
authorities had caught up with him.
00:47:11
>> What are the [ __ ] odds?
00:47:12
>> One of his followers who was on the Red
00:47:15
said he went crazy. crazy. He grabbed a
00:47:18
bundle of money and threw it and began
00:47:20
shooting out the window. Holy [ __ ] Now,
00:47:22
believing that he only had a matter of
00:47:24
minutes before he was caught, he ordered
00:47:26
one of the other cult members of Alvaro
00:47:28
Valdez to shoot him and his henchman,
00:47:31
Martin Rodriguez Rodriguez, excuse me,
00:47:34
who was also on the run. Wo. The story
00:47:36
was later confirmed by Sarah, who told
00:47:39
police Adulo had made the order, quote,
00:47:41
because it was the end and he wanted to
00:47:43
die with Martin. This is wild. It's
00:47:47
bonkers.
00:47:49
So, with Adalfo Constanzo and Martin
00:47:51
Rodriguez now dead, police took Sarah
00:47:53
Aldrrete, Omar Francisco Ora Okoa, and
00:47:56
Alvaro Deleon Valdez into custody,
00:47:59
bringing the manhunt for Mark Kilroy
00:48:01
murderers to an end.
00:48:02
>> A bizarre, wild end.
00:48:04
>> One of the strangest ends I think that
00:48:06
we've actually had in morbid history.
00:48:08
>> Holy [ __ ] So, it took some time to sort
00:48:11
everything out, but eventually everybody
00:48:13
who played a role in the murders of
00:48:15
those discovered buried at the ranch
00:48:17
were punished for their crimes. Good.
00:48:19
Not long after his arrest, Oraoa was
00:48:21
hospitalized and diagnosed with AIDS.
00:48:24
Um, as a result of the advanced stage of
00:48:26
his virus, he spent the rest of his life
00:48:27
in a hospital and died in February of
00:48:29
1990. Alvaro Vadez was found uh Valdez,
00:48:33
excuse me, was found guilty of the
00:48:34
murders of Adulo Constanzo and Martin
00:48:36
Rodriguez and was sentenced to 30 years
00:48:39
in prison. Sarah Aldrrete, Saraphene
00:48:42
Hernandez, Elio Hernandez, and Sergio
00:48:44
Martinez were ultimately convicted of
00:48:47
multiple crimes, including the murders
00:48:48
of Mark Kilroy and the others found on
00:48:50
the ranch. And they were sentenced to 67
00:48:53
years in prison. Wow. Um, I don't know
00:48:57
exactly why, but in 1998, a judge did
00:48:59
reduce their sentences to 50 years each.
00:49:02
Why? I don't know if it was good
00:49:05
behavior. I'm not sure.
00:49:06
>> Seems crazy.
00:49:07
>> Now, as of today, only Ovido Hernandez
00:49:10
and Malio Pon Torres have managed to
00:49:12
evade capture.
00:49:13
>> Wow.
00:49:14
>> Yeah.
00:49:14
>> As for the Kilroy family, uh, they
00:49:17
continue to support each other in the
00:49:18
years that have followed since Mark's
00:49:20
death. A few years after the tragedy,
00:49:22
they established the Mark Kilroy
00:49:24
Foundation, and that's an organization
00:49:26
dedicated to the prevention of substance
00:49:28
abuse among young people, which I think
00:49:30
is really incredible that they were able
00:49:33
to to do something with it. Exactly.
00:49:36
Since starting the organization, they
00:49:37
provided countless teens and young
00:49:39
adults with the education and
00:49:41
opportunities to avoid falling into
00:49:42
addiction. And even though Mark himself
00:49:45
never struggled with drugs or alcohol,
00:49:47
they obviously saw the connection to
00:49:49
addiction and what happened here. In
00:49:51
2009, Mark's mother, Helen, said a lot
00:49:54
of people weren't even alive when this
00:49:55
happened to Mark. So, we do talk to
00:49:57
people about Mark's story. They need to
00:49:59
realize that they have to be aware of
00:50:00
what is going on around them anywhere,
00:50:02
not just in a foreign country.
00:50:04
>> Exactly. Cuz that really is this kind of
00:50:07
[ __ ] can happen anywhere. And you just
00:50:10
like stories like this are so shocking,
00:50:12
but it's such proof that you do not know
00:50:15
what's lingering around the next corner.
00:50:17
>> And you don't know. Strangers are
00:50:19
strangers. You don't know them. You
00:50:20
don't know what they're about. You don't
00:50:22
know if they have good intentions. You
00:50:23
don't know anything.
00:50:24
>> Unfortunately, a lot of times people
00:50:27
don't want to help you.
00:50:28
>> No,
00:50:28
>> they want to hurt you. And like that's a
00:50:30
horrible thing to have to believe. But
00:50:32
>> but you have to at least have that in
00:50:34
the front of your mind now.
00:50:35
>> Yeah. And if now we have the
00:50:37
information,
00:50:37
>> let them let them prove to you that
00:50:39
they're not that before you fully trust
00:50:41
them.
00:50:42
>> But honestly, like we were talking about
00:50:44
this the other day with just a group of
00:50:45
friends. Anytime I've ever been helped
00:50:47
like getting or offered help like
00:50:49
getting my groceries into my car or
00:50:51
something like that. I No, thank you.
00:50:52
>> Yeah. No,
00:50:53
>> I'm all set. I got it.
00:50:54
>> I never want the help.
00:50:55
>> A ride? Nope. You don't need a ride
00:50:57
anymore. Obviously, not at this point
00:51:00
like when this story happened, but now
00:51:01
Uber. Nope. I'm all set.
00:51:03
>> Don't need it. It's just it's an awful
00:51:06
awful story. It's just awful that human
00:51:08
beings are capable of doing this to
00:51:10
other human beings.
00:51:11
>> That's honestly the thing that my brain
00:51:13
just never ever
00:51:15
>> can even conceive of. No,
00:51:17
>> truly.
00:51:17
>> But I really do commend his family for
00:51:19
like making something,
00:51:22
>> something positive come out of such a
00:51:24
tragic loss
00:51:25
>> cuz holy [ __ ]
00:51:27
>> Yeah, it's a horrific story.
00:51:28
>> It really is.
00:51:29
>> Do you have a fun fact for us as a
00:51:32
palette cleanser? I think it's your fun
00:51:33
fact, honey.
00:51:34
>> Is it my fun fact?
00:51:34
>> I did fun fact last time.
00:51:36
>> I'll find a fun fact for us then.
00:51:38
>> Okay. Sharks have been swimming in
00:51:40
Earth's oceans for about 400 million
00:51:43
years, making them roughly 50 million
00:51:45
years older than the earliest trees.
00:51:49
>> That's so scary and incredible all at
00:51:51
the same time.
00:51:52
>> It really is.
00:51:53
>> Like that's the ocean isn't my business.
00:51:56
>> No, it's just not.
00:51:57
>> I also just find it so scary that we
00:51:59
just stopped exploring the ocean.
00:52:01
>> Yeah, cuz I think we were like We have
00:52:03
we have more business up in space than
00:52:05
we have down here.
00:52:06
>> And I fully believe that.
00:52:07
>> Freaks me out. But we also scary
00:52:10
>> ocean scarier. Unthinkable.
00:52:13
>> But also like that's where our Wi-Fi
00:52:15
comes from.
00:52:16
>> Yeah.
00:52:16
>> Make it make sense.
00:52:18
>> I know.
00:52:19
>> Yeah. Mikey's looking at me like what
00:52:20
the [ __ ] Comes from like tunnels and
00:52:23
[ __ ] underwater.
00:52:25
>> It's weird.
00:52:26
>> Fall into a rabbit hole about that on
00:52:27
TikTok. You lose your mind. Girls, let's
00:52:29
do it.
00:52:29
>> Do that. That's how you pallet. fall
00:52:31
into that rabbit hole.
00:52:32
>> Fall into like a creepy rabbit hole, but
00:52:34
like that's like technological and
00:52:36
chilling
00:52:37
>> and we'll probably scare you as well.
00:52:38
Yeah. But like in a fun way. Yeah. In a
00:52:40
fun way.
00:52:41
>> So, with that being said, we hope you
00:52:42
keep listening.
00:52:43
>> And we hope you
00:52:44
>> keep it weird,
00:52:47
but also weird that you don't go down a
00:52:48
rabbit hole.
00:52:49
>> One that makes you feel good. Yeah. Or a
00:52:51
little bit scared. Spooky. Spooky rabbit
00:52:54
hole.