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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is [Music] mid it is small bed what's up bro me out
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it's so gloomy it's been gloomy this whole week it is very gloomy which I I like but when I didn't sleep well the
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night before I don't like it cuz it makes me tired see I actually slept totally fine let's just talk about our
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sleep patterns I slept totally fine last night but then I woke up this morning and I felt so tired immediately because
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of the gluin outside because of the glum mination the gumin it's a rumination of
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Gloom it is absolutely out here yeah which again normally I really like it I like rain I like the Gloom I feel like
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this be would be good writing weather for you it is very good writing weather I'm I always get like super super um
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motivated and inspired in this kind of weather this weather makes me want to curl up on my couch and watch mermaids
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with Sher wow I didn't see that that's what it makes me want to do particular film I
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didn't know have you ever seen mermaids no Sher whenona Rider I've seen I know what it is but I've never seen it I
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don't know that you'd like it who knows you know I still I got to keep giving you credit for making me watch salurn
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that's true give me all the credit I'll give you the credit for that give me your your credit card I'll keep it
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giving you credit give me give me everything give me everything you have cuz of salberg Cu of
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salber no I you know what I like to watch like um this is when I want to watch like urban legend oh yeah that's
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my comfort one of my comfort movies or or scream yep scream definitely scream is a comfort movie oh scream make it ah
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that that makes me want popcorn but I packed it in my lunch today so I'm excited about that there you go yeah I
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didn't pack my current hyperfixation snack though I finally have one I think when we were talking to kurur and
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Sabrina I don't know if that episode came out yet um it did not it did not it will though it will and you'll hear me
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say I don't really think I have a hyperfixation snack I think we were recording When I said that it also might
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have just been in conversation all say fake all of it it's not a true story but all that to say I think I found my
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hyperfixation snack and I should figure out the Tik Tok early I'm going to do that later who recommended it but it's
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popcorn dark chocolate like chocolate chips and then maple glazed peans mixed together s great it's so good welcome to
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the world of hyperfixation snacks where you will hate that eventually and you'll
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have to take a long break from it oh you have to you get you end up hating it it's part of the hyperfixation process
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I'm also hyper fixating on this oatmeal yeah you you will you wear it out you wear out until it becomes thing where
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you're like I don't even want to look at that anymore that's terrible then you loop back around eventually you just got
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to give some time to breathe okay yeah that's happened to me uh many times oh cool yeah I'm also making this oatmeal
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that I'm fixating on look at you yeah I'm not pregnant I feel like I feel like this is like giving the vibe of like I
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love these snacks all the sudden so oh no yeah I think everybody likes a weird SN yeah but well then I've also been
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posting that my cat Franklin has been really snuggly with me lately and people are messaging me asking me if I'm
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pregnant yeah she's not pregnant everybody so I just got married that' be a lot but but yeah Frankle is just being
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sweet he is so there's that I know did you see the thing I posted of him last night I did I love
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him cats she's such a cat lady I love it I am she's that lady that will be like do you guys want to see photos of my
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cats no I am she'll show you through like I am that lady and I will show you pictures of my cats and you better want
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to see them and she wants and she's going to want a reaction yeah you better re give the proper reaction don't [ __ ]
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around tell me how cute he is cry cry right now cry at how beautiful these kitties are no I did have a moment
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last night where I was like what if we got like one more cat and then I was like no I didn't say that because Drew
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will say yes he's also a crazy cat go with it but no three is the limit yeah I don't want to push it don't push that
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limit no no no you gave me a Mikey just gave me a look like do what you want no don't let me do
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what I want don't do what you want cuz eventually I'll be like why do I have so many
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cats but yeah yeah that's where we are that's our banter for the intro so there you go I have a case from Australia
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Today Australia Australia and for all those out there who don't like the old timey cases this one's for you because
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it's not that old hey there you go it's in the 2000s I think you know old timey cases are making a comeback I
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they are personally I think but this one is also not old well there you go I don't know why I said also I was going
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to say I I love that it's just not old um but yeah not old and also not old it's not old but I guess to some people
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it might be old because I don't think of the early 2000s as that long ago but it
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really is that long ago it is but I feel like the 2000s are that's current pretty
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modern to me agreed well this is the society murders which took place in Australia
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and one of the victims there are two is Margaret whales King so let's start with
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her yeah Margaret whales King was born uh Margaret Mary Lord in melbour Australia on June 16th 1933 she was the
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oldest of two children born to Robert and dorine Lord I really like the name Dorene yeah it's cute it is cute now
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initially this family was like a really working class family Margaret's dad Robert worked as a commercial truck
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driver and in her younger years or like during during her younger years and then
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eventually he started a road construction company of his own in the like 1940s is throughout the 1940s and
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50s he was really doing steady business and by the 60s his company had actually become one of the largest road
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construction companies in the entire region wow which made him and his family hella wealthy hell yeah they had a lot
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of money this is the society murders so it is knew that was coming exactly now as the daughters of what was now one of
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Victoria's wealthiest families at this point Margaret and her sister Diana grew up with everything they could ever want
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ever want they wanted for nothing they went to private boarding schools for their primary education a private girl
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school for secondary education goodbye education and after graduating from high school Margaret herself went on to
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pursue a degree in Business by then it was the early 1950s and that was when she met Brian bigles whales an airline
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pilot bigles Biggles what an adorable name I know right they hit it off immediately and they dated for 4 years
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before eventually getting married on Jude's 17th just one day after Margaret turned 24 a so once they got back from
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their honeymoon Margaret and Brian moved into Margaret's parents home in camberwell and that was after her
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parents had moved into a smaller home so like Brian and Margaret took over that house they didn't live with the parents
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a year later Margaret got pregnant with their first child Sally uh Sally was born in 1958 and then four other
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children quickly followed uh Damian in 1960 Emma in 63 Prudence which I love Prudence I love that name right she was
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born in' 65 and finally Matthew in 1968 so Margaret and Brian they were able to raise their children how they
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had both grown up because Brian was from a pretty well-off family too and they both together wanted to make sure that
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their kids had every privilege every opportunity also available to them at the time yeah of course so as a family
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they split their time between their home in camberwell a vacation home in sarento
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and they just bopped around to like lots of expensive and exclusive locations around Australia they were living like
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this beautiful family life the high life like everything was pretty perfect yeah
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sounds it now the first Decades of their marriage they were really like ideal you
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know but like I always say by 1968 the crack started to show in the relationship as a commercial p
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Brian was away from home for long periods of time quite often which left Margaret responsible for all five
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children on her own and a that's a lot like it's one thing to stay home with like two kids even that is a lot I can't
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picture that but with five yeah I'm like that is so many children so Not only was
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she like overwhelmed but she's also starting to feel really lonely cuz like you put all the kids to bed and you're
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just sitting at at night by yourself yeah and she's just I'm sure all day she's just kind attending to everyone
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else's needs and it's like exhausted that wears a lot out of you yeah so in 1968 while on vacation in Bramton Island
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in Queensland Brian actually struck up a friendship with fellow vacationer Paul King both men were around the same age
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they shared a lot of interests and they also so they met on vacation but they also lived pretty close to one another
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like in their homes in melbin so when the vacation on Bramton Island ended they they were like why should our
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friendship end like we live so close to each other we met by happen let's hang out when we best friends what the [ __ ]
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they were like did we just become best friends yep for now uhoh over time they started including Margaret in their
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plans and quickly all three of them became best friends wow this sounds so nice at first it does and I've never
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heard of this case so I don't know what's going to happen but I know it's not going to be great I'll let you know
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okay yeah as we go on awesome so the friendship between Margaret Brian and Paul continued actually for several
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years like this friendship went on for years however unbeknownst to Brian Margaret and Paul had been carrying on
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an affair while Brian was away working oh no yes so they were best friends but also like not at all not at all not at
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all foe mhm and by the mid1 1970s their relationship Margaret and Paul's had become
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serious so and at that point Margaret and Brian's marriage had effectively ended like it was all done according to
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author Hillary Bonnie when Margaret's father died in 74 thus securing her vast inheritance Margaret and Paul decided to
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go ahead and make their relationship public Bonnie wrote within days of Rob Lord's Funeral Brian Wales moved out of
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the family home in camberwell to the serrento beach house and Paul King moved in with Margaret and the five children
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oh so Brian just like he Brian met this guy became friends with him and then Brian has to move out of his home and
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this man his best friend or was supposedly his best friend swoops in and literally
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lives with his children yeah holy [ __ ] it's a it's a big traumatic event for everyone involved that's very gnarly it
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is and not surprisingly the end of Brian and Margaret's relationship came as a shock to almost everybody who knew them
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especially their kids who found this transition really difficult like yeah this is intense Margaret and Brian
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officially got divorced in 197 and they did share custody of the children but Brian's poor ability to cope with the
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divorce took a toll on the rest of the family like I don't think he was really able to get over this and it did affect
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his parenting to a it was such a betrayal absolutely on both sides yeah according to that same author Hillary
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Bonnie the older whales children bore the brunt of their father's depression and endured long conversations with him
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about the loss of his adored wife oh so it's like because you have remember he didn't lose just his wife he also lost
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his best friend yeah that's like all at and like his his family his home his he lost everything in an instant I can't
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even fathom that so do I think it's right to like confide in your kids and make them like your closest Confidant
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maybe not when it's no unfortunately not because it's like your kids unfortunately your kids should not you
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know have to bear any of the weight of what's going on in your life they just shouldn't in my opinion that's how I
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parent never have to shoulder any of my personal issues right or what's going on
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in my personal life yeah but at the same time I understand that this man is human
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right and that he's alone and you can see how this would happen because the kids are like older teenagers at this
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point I know cuz that's the other thing when they I don't have older teenagers so I don't know how that Dynamic changes
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and I'm not going to pretend that I do and it does change you're right that's like a great change in the dynamic so
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it's like maybe he just felt like he could like you know what I mean cuz you want to like you know you want to have
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like an open relationship with your children and you want to be able to talk to them about things you just it's you I
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I personally I never want to cross the line of like burdening them with my problems you know what I mean like I
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want to talk to them and be open to them but I never want them to feel like they
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have to shoulder any of my the weight of what I have going on you know what I mean once again I've never been through
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that kind of trauma that he went through and I don't have older kids so I don't know what the dynamic is and this wasn't
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necessarily a time where like men specifically were seeking out therapy you know like seeking out nobody really
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was seeking therapy in general like it wasn't very talked about at this time period and you know he's not intending
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to burden them with the weight of what's going on you know like he's not going into this being like let me let me [ __ ]
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my kids up by telling them you like nobody intends to do that with they're good parents it's probably starting off
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as like discussions of like how it's affecting them too they're all going through this together and then he's
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probably just oversharing a little too much of personal feeling so it's just sad all
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around CU you understand there's a lot of human emotions happening here yeah exactly well Brian had what Bonnie
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describes as unlimited access to most of his children for some reason Margaret did choose to restrict his access to
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their youngest son Matthew Brian later recalled I did not have much to do with Matthew I felt like this was mainly
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because Margaret and Paul wanted to it to look like Matthew was their child because Matthew I think he was like
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seven when this all happened and she they just stopped him from being able to see him or like restrict see him but it
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was very restricted apparently just after their divorce Margaret told Brian that Paul would be a better father and
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because Matthew was still so young she didn't want Brian to quote exercise any fatherly influence over their
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son oh my yeah it was it was messy traumatic divorce for everybody involved it sounds like jeez yeah the divorce
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itself was definitely traumatic and it was a very dislocating experience for all the whales children but the specific
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treatment of Matthew with regard to his relationship with Brian really only made
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things worse for him in particular yeah I think that's a that's a poor choice it
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I that's a poor choice like that is that's opinion based but I agree totally opinion based and and very you know I
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don't know the all the details and ins and outs of what's going on but like it doesn't sound like it just doesn't sound
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like to keep him away from his real you know his real parent yeah who's been his
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dad for seven years of his life and then to replace him too a little bit with this new guy that was your dad's best
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friend yeah it's just it's that's that can be a little messy here and well it did prove itself to be messy because
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within a few months of all of this Matthew started showing signs of behavioral problems yeah now with
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Margaret's inheritance having been fully dispensed or dispersed excuse me and Paul's wealth already stable the newly
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married couple lived in even more privileged life than they ever had before which is really saying something
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cuz they were already living like very wealthy people now they're like even wealthier the children SP uh split their
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time between their home time with their father weekends at Paul's cattle ranch prudent said during this period of Our
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Lives mother was really generous and we were all very spoiled we had a beach house we had a unit at the snow we had
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several Farms with animals horses and had some pretty amazing trips overseas wow so there were good times and the
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older children were called life after their parents' divorce as mostly positive but at the same time they did
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have a hard time embracing Paul as any kind of father figure like the older ones cuz like I said they they're maybe
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like like 12 to 18 at this point you know what I mean yeah I mean that's tough and again he he's been in their
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lives as both of your best friends yeah that's the thing and so it's not like this is a new guy or something you know
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mean that like they just are having trouble getting used to it's like the Dynam like the whole relationship was
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different before and now I understand having a trouble figuring that out it's not like their parents just got divorced
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and this guy came out of nowhere like you just said they know who this guy is and I'm sure they were pretty aware of
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the situation that ended everything up here you know well that's the thing it's like you guys were all best friends they
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know their dad was away a lot they're going to put two and two together especially the older ones and it's like
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going to understand what's going on and they're going to have a little resentment they're going to have resent
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and really for that reason they like like I said they didn't see Paul as a father figure whatsoever and they didn't
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really respect him at all no and I you can't I mean that's that's trauma man it is they actually used to refer to him as
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the butler or the shadow because he was said to be really subservient to Margaret oh wow Matthew's experience
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Matthew's the youngest one on the other hand seemed to be pretty different like I said he was still young when his
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parents split and I was right that he was seven years old okay and because he was deprived of a relationship with his
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own dad he did start to see Paul as more of a father figure because he's young he's young and now Paul is really the
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main man in his life so he did develop a pretty healthy relationship with Paul well that's good the vast difference in
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their experiences though created a rift between Matthew and the rest of his siblings who kind of looked at his
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ostensible Allegiance with Paul as a betrayal to their father oh see this is so hard he's seven that's the thing cuz
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he's so he's a child but then it's like you're also young like I don't know exactly how old everyone is yeah you're
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siblings so it's like there's a whole different Dynamic here and it's like oh I just feel like this is so hard like I
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hate that these kids had to deal with all this it's a it's a lot of just tumultuous like family politics that
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they shouldn't have to deal with yet that's exactly what it is family politics you shouldn't have to deal with
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it until you're older and you can just be like shut up everybody for what it is well and it's it's so they also they see
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that Paul and Matthew have this like good relationship and they're like [ __ ] that like we hate this guy not hate him
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but like we don't like this guy we don't respect him and then also some of them did feel that Margaret the mom favored
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Matthew oh okay so his uh Matthew's sister Emma later told police mom adored Matthew to the stage where we used to
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call him golden boy oh boy so there's a lot of different Dynamics going on here a lot of different Dynamics now while
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some of their resentment of Matthew was rooted in how Margaret prioritized him over her other children there were other
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things about Matthew that the rest of the whales children found irritating and off-putting one of them was that he
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struggled considerably with his schoolwork I think that probably like they resented that maybe because it took
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Margaret's time away from the rest of them yeah cuz I was going to say why is that really that's when I looked at that
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I was like I don't understand that's his life like I don't understand why that would bother you that's what I thought
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too but I'm like maybe it just took a lot of I could see that he also had a very hard
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time developing healthy social skills they felt he lied constantly and by the time he reached his teenage years his
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behavior was getting way worse and he was having more frequent violent outbursts that made him really difficult
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to be around yeah um and just a trigger warning here for animal cruelty oh no Emma recalled he was very cruel to
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animals I used to tell Mom but Matthew would lie and get out of it now this included among other things quote Cru
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ifying flies when he was four impaling eels when he was eight and at 10 he tied mice by their tails to the back of his
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motorbike and drove around the farm with them okay he was Disturbed from a young
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age that should be the biggest of red flags yeah like that should be the biggest of red flags it absolutely
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should be and this started and if you did skip over that I won't go into detail anymore but the animal cruelty
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started when he was four which I feel like is worth noting he was seven when the divorce was finalized so
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this was already happening this was already happening who's to say that it like the relationship between Brian and
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Margaret wasn't already tumultuous I'm sure it probably was yeah but he's four years old and he's displaying this
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Behavior already like I feel like that's an innate behavior oh you got to nip that you got to do something like I'm
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telling you the cruelty to animals thing that's scary is such a red flly and I don't know if you guys can hear blanch
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she pissed she's like hell yeah she's like [ __ ] deal and it is but yeah cruelty to animals I feel like is it's
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always something to be concerned about because it can turn into a lot of scary things and in this case it does yeah so
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Emma you know she told us like everything in detail uh Matt's brother Matthew's brother Damen put it more
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bluntly and just told police Matthew was a prick of a kid we were never close wow
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all right like yeah I hated him always he was an [ __ ] you guys are siblings can't fa you for having feelings no and
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I mean Ian if that's what he's running around doing I would also call him a prick of a kid yeah so the older whales
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children they have some more memories of their childhood now but but between their inability to accept their mother's
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new relationship and Matthew's increasingly violent Behavior life in the whales home was definitely an
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ongoing struggle for everybody it was highlighted by lots and lots of good times but that's there were also really
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shitty times yeah there was some dark [ __ ] happen a lot yeah dark [ __ ] happening and a lot going on so the rift
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continued to grow between all of them as one by one they moved out of the house and by the time Margaret and Paul were
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finally married in 1995 none of the children were invited to the wedding whoa which like that goes to
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show you that obviously I've named some instances here there was a lot more going on they weren't even invited to
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the wedding none of the children were invited to the wedding zip that's Bleak that's really
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Bleak so now going back a little a little more in depth to Matthew without the animal cruelty don't worry uh he
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really struggled to make it through high school one teacher put it pretty much as
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bluntly as you possibly could she said Matthew is wasting his and everyone else's time both in class and out of it
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wow yeah okay but despite those struggles he finished high school in ' 85 and attempted to enter the Working
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World but he was fired from his first job at a hardware store after just four months of being employed there wow yes
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rather than look for another job he decided that he was going to study at the John Mor School of hairdressing and
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after completing the 20-month apprenticeship which that is a long apprenticeship in comparison to what you
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do over here oh really I was like damn that's a long apprenticeship uh he took out a job at one of the John Mor schools
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or salons in Melbourne after he was done with his education so look at that he found a job for himself he would spend
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the next decade working for the Mory Salon chain and then ended up opening his own franchise in the Knox uh in Knox
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City Shopping Center in 1997 and he did build a a small but loyal following so who's doing pretty well for himself he
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might not have had the mind for academics in some people's words but he was good at hairdressing and he didn't
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seem to struggle managing his small staff he took care of administrative responsibilities like which that's all
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not easy stuff to do no running running your own business is hard running a salon like it doesn't I'm sure to some
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people it doesn't sound like much but there's a lot that goes into it oh yeah admin alone would [ __ ] ruin me hate
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yeah I'm not good at admin not at all like either of us I wasn't saying like she's not good at all at the salon Peak
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success though Matthew was earning between 1,500 to 3,000 bucks a week and remember that's back in the '90s so
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that's pretty good and he was consistently busy the professional success did a lot to prop up his ego
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after a lifetime of low expectations and disdain from his teachers and his family
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yeah it seems like in this little period of his life he was like proving himself
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to to himself yeah he was flourishing a little bit and finding himself yeah so when he wasn't working he spent his time
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partying going to bars clubs looking for ladies he's in his early 20s yeah this all came to an end though in the late
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90s when he met U Marita pizaro a sales assistant at Myers's department store which was actually in the same shopping
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center as his Salon oh okay they initially met when she was going to the salon for regular appointments and after
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a few months their relationship just grew and became romantic and after a few months they ended up moving in together
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to Matthew's home and malvin which had been purchased for him by a trust set up by Margaret Wales after he turned 18 ah
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so it was his house but like Margaret bought it yeah so while Matthew was completely in love with Marita he was
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nonetheless cognizant of how her workingclass immigrant background might be received by his wealthy family oh
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jeez so marit was born in Santiago Chile in 1963 and her family actually fled Chile in 1976 after and during 3 years
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of austo P's dictatorship so they literally lived through a dictatorship but they were able to
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escape and establish themselves in um a Melbourne suburb where they worked really hard to build a solidly
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middleclass lifestyle like she came from a great family yeah and despite coming from a thoroughly respectable family
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Matthew insisted that his family thought of Marita's family as just a bun bunch of w slurs I'm not going to say this
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this word I don't actually I've never heard of it before but it's a derogatory term used in Australian slang to
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describe people of Indian Mediterranean or middle eastern descent oh okay so I don't want to say a word that like I
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don't know the weight of it um but that's how he said his family thought of maritus
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so racist Vibes going on right now great not awesome it's unclear whether or not
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Matthew was exaggerating so that he could just keep some distance between his family and his new relationship but
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later his sister Emma did describe Mar to reporters as a common vulgar little gutter snipe and she said that Mar quote
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would say shocking things and everything seemed to have a sexual connotation so they did not like her she sounds awesome
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yeah like she sounds hilarious she does person a vulgar little gutter snipe like
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get it girl you she's like I don't like you I don't like you it seemed that Matthew's siblings perceived his
00:27:26
relationship with Mar as similar to the relationship between Paul and their mother and remember they saw Paul as
00:27:32
being very subservient to their mother and they felt like their mother made the rules Emma also said that Marita quote
00:27:39
totally dominated him from the moment they met talking about Matthew yeah and she wasn't the only one who felt that
00:27:44
way according to Matthew's other sister Sally she said Matthew actually calls Marita Mama as if she's his mother he
00:27:51
does everything she tells him to what to eat what he wears I believe he's frightened of
00:27:56
her oh huh now he calls her mama he calls her mama which I don't know if that's like a cultural thing because I
00:28:04
know In some cultures like men do call women like I have heard that I've seen that happen so it's like and it's not in
00:28:12
reference to like mother way um no yeah I know what you mean that like I wouldn't want a guy calling me
00:28:21
mom cuz no probably cuz I'm just used to Children calling me Mama yeah you're like Jesus Christ at one more person
00:28:27
so honestly I'd like absolutely not not adding another one but I do wonder if maybe that was a cultural thing that
00:28:33
they didn't understand because they hadn't previously been exposed to it yeah because I've heard men call their
00:28:39
significant others Mama right and not in a way that would be off pudding you know
00:28:44
what I mean that in a way that is like now all I can think of is Hyo mama let me whisper that's what I'm
00:28:51
thinking that's what I'm thinking so it's like I've heard this happen and it's like so I
00:28:58
it's like it absolutely this could be taken two different ways for sure I can see their siblings being like he
00:29:04
referred to her cuz who knows I don't know how he said it I don't know what the in was I don't know if it was mama
00:29:11
let me whisper in your ear I think or if it was like Mama and there was something
00:29:15
happening here that we are unaware of yeah or if it's just very innocuous and it's like Hey little mama let me whisper
00:29:22
in year we don't know either way yeah cuz then I think about it and also like in the gay community like that's a bit
00:29:27
like Mama like yeah and also if it's that here's the thing like obviously this something bad is going to happen
00:29:34
here I know this 100% I'm waiting for it all to drop I don't know what's going to
00:29:37
happen here but so I know something's a Miss yeah and I'm assuming Matthew is at
00:29:43
the heart of it I don't know why maybe it's the animal cruelty but I think that's why so I don't want to be like
00:29:49
defending anyone here too much but I'm just when it comes to like relationships it's like everything so different
00:29:55
they're to consenting adults if they want to call each other something like go off but obviously something is going
00:30:01
to come out of this so it's like well I think that's you that's perfectly said because then like Sally's looking back
00:30:08
on this and she like in the context that she's looking back on it she probably in
00:30:13
the moment was like huh that's weird like I've never heard him call anybody that but like whatever but then she
00:30:18
looks back on what exactly happens and she's like well that was weirder now that I look back on that that's
00:30:23
precisely exactly what I'm saying it's like it's Hinds when something bad happens you look back and see the the
00:30:30
strange things that are occurring right but in the moment you're kind of just like whatever like if they want to call
00:30:35
each other something whatever exactly you know but anyways regardless of how everybody felt about Marita she and
00:30:41
Matthew did end up marrying in May of 1998 in a $25,000 wedding that they could not afford but took out a loan to
00:30:47
pay for and they spent years repaying that uh that would be little a little more than $447,000 today so a pretty
00:30:55
expensive one wow now a little l a little less than two years later in March of 2000 Marita gave birth birth to
00:31:04
their first child and with the addition of a new baby into the family Matthew reasoned that they should find a new
00:31:09
home and he tried to convince Margaret to sell the house because I think technically because like she bought it
00:31:16
via the trust for him she owns it and he just lives there kind of the that makes
00:31:21
sense the gist that I got so he's trying to convince Margaret to sell this house
00:31:25
and give him and Mar $140,000 profit that would be made from the sale okay but she was hesitant to do
00:31:32
so and she was like let me think on this I don't want to make any hasty decisions
00:31:37
here so while things seemed to be going well for Matthew and Marita as 2000 came
00:31:41
to a close they were dealt a difficult blow in the last few months of the year when Matthew started developing a pain
00:31:47
in his hand that eventually was diagnosed as a repetitive strain injury and that effectively ended his career as
00:31:54
a stylist oh no yeah so unable to continue in his line of work he closed the salon at the end of the year and
00:32:01
submitted an insurance claim the insurance payments definitely kept them afloat for a few months but they weren't
00:32:08
going to support them for the rest of forever and things were getting pretty dodgy at this point oh no both Matthew
00:32:15
and Marita being unemployed and living on meager insurance payments was a compelling case though for Margaret to
00:32:21
release Matthew that $140,000 from the sale of the house and after several argument she did
00:32:28
reluctantly go ahead sell the house and hand over the profit money and that was in the early months of 2001 so now flush
00:32:35
with cash Matthew and mariss said about developing plans for a new business and they decided that they wanted to open a
00:32:42
woman's clothing boutique in mid2 2001 okay so in order to buy themselves some leeway while the business got off the
00:32:49
ground they paid the landlord a year's rent in advance and they bought about $25,000 in stock furniture and fixtures
00:32:57
so they're starting to spend like a lot of money on a new business which of course it costs a lot of money to set up
00:33:03
a business but they're spending extra money that they don't necessarily have to in
00:33:09
addition to that yeah now as the more knowledgeable one in clothing Marita she spent her days running the store while
00:33:15
Matthew remained at home taking care of the baby and by early 2002 they actually
00:33:19
were making enough to move into a small townhouse of their own so to celebrate their new home and their son's second
00:33:25
birthday matth and Marita invited Paul and Margaret to their home for dinner on the evening of April 4th 2002 okay
00:33:33
shockingly that would be the last time anybody saw Margaret Wales king or Paul King alive
00:33:39
oh on the morning of April 4th 2002 the last day that they were ever seen alive Margaret and Paul woke up early as usual
00:33:47
they spent the morning relaxing having coffee the housekeeper came over as she usually did and tidied up the house by
00:33:53
9:00 a.m. Margaret's bookkeeper had arrived and they spent 2 hours going over her portfolio until about noon and
00:34:00
then their friends Fred and Janet Ro arrived for a little lunchtime visit the Roes had driven more than an hour from
00:34:06
Melbourne and stayed most of the afternoon actually until about like 6:30 so they just had they were having a good
00:34:10
time together yeah but around 6:30 Margaret excused herself and said they were going to get ready to have dinner
00:34:16
at I think she told Janet that she was having dinner at her daughter's house okay or Janet may have misheard she
00:34:22
might have said daughter-in-law I was going to say maybe daughter-in-law right but on the evening of Sunday April 7th
00:34:27
Margaret's daughter Emma had started to get concerned that she hadn't heard from
00:34:31
her mom in several days this wasn't like Margaret to go several days without talking to Emma and they actually had
00:34:38
breakfast plans the the next day which would be Monday the 8th and Margaret had a tendency to call her daughter a day
00:34:45
before to remind her anytime they had plans like you know we still on for tomorrow so since they were traveling
00:34:50
back from their vacation home Emma and her husband stopped along the way so that she could call Margaret from a pay
00:34:56
phone but nobody picked up at Margaret and Paul's house later when they got home
00:35:02
Emma got a call from her friend Sandra who said that she had actually been trying to reach Margaret for 3 days and
00:35:08
she had been unsuccessful oh no so still unable to reach her mother Emma decided
00:35:13
I'm going to drive over there and like check on them like this is weird so when she got to the house she knocked on the
00:35:18
door several times but nobody answered but she was able to like let herself in I think she had a key and she looked
00:35:24
around and confirmed that they were nowhere to be seen they weren't home but she looked around the house and nothing
00:35:29
seemed out of place nothing seemed suspicious the only thing that was weird was that when she went into the master
00:35:35
bedroom she was surprised to find that the bed had been turned down but it didn't look like anybody had slept in it
00:35:41
so she was like that's weird but if you think about it maybe they had turned down the bed thinking like we'll get
00:35:46
home a little late tonight and we can just get right into bed get right into bed that was my thought that makes sense
00:35:50
in the bathroom Margaret's night cream her toothbrush her toiletries were all where they should be so it didn't seem
00:35:56
like they had gone G away for the weekend either yeah so Emma was like this is weird but like I don't know if I
00:36:02
should call the police yet like yeah I don't cuz you don't want to believe that something's wrong you know so she went
00:36:07
home and the next day she was like hey she said to her husband Damian I think we should go over to the house again
00:36:13
like something's just weird about this so her and Damen her husband she also has a brother named Damian um went to
00:36:19
the house to search again but it didn't appear that Margaret or Paul had returned since she was last there last
00:36:25
night and still nobody had heard anything from them so initially just concerned Emma was now very unnerved
00:36:31
she's like this is beyond weird yeah now it's getting weird she's like they seemingly just like disappeared Into
00:36:36
Thin Air so she and Daman went to the melin police to report her parents missing her mom and her stepdad after
00:36:43
reporting her mom and her stepdad missing Emma went back to the house and she and Daman put together a list of
00:36:48
family friends and acquaintances who could have had any contact with Margaret or Paul yeah and they started reaching
00:36:55
out to these people one by one on and it was at this time that Emma noticed a note on the calendar that they had plans
00:37:01
with the roaches the night that they went missing so she called them immediately and they explained how they
00:37:07
had lunch with Margaret and Paul on the afternoon of the 4th but they had parted
00:37:10
ways around 6:30 because they they were like oh your mom and Paul had dinner plans and they said unfortunately I
00:37:18
don't think they said with who like they couldn't remember at that very moment yeah so based on the report from the
00:37:23
roaches and the fact that none of their regular contacts had heard or seen Margaret and Paul heard from or seen
00:37:28
them the Malin police they actually took the case very seriously like right away
00:37:33
and they pursued it as a missing person's case so the rest of the whale siblings arrived at Margaret and Paul's
00:37:38
house that evening and they waited while investigators searched after a cursory search of the home and interviews with
00:37:45
most of the whales children detectives determined that nothing appeared to be missing from the house so if Margaret or
00:37:51
Paul had been taken from the home by force it wasn't for any obvious financial reasons like Ransom
00:37:57
you might in a Cas like remember these are very well people so then while one of the detectives was interviewing Janet
00:38:05
Ro Emma heard Janet tell the detective that Margaret told her she was going to have to end their evening early because
00:38:12
she said quote I'm expected at my daughter's home for dinner Janet said that's what she said okay now the
00:38:17
comment seemed really strange to Emma because neither she or any of her sisters had plans with their mom for
00:38:22
dinner but then it occurred to her that she might have met mariss y so she called Matthew's house to say like hey
00:38:29
have you seen Paul or Mom since leaving their parents home as young adults the will siblings had maintained pretty
00:38:35
minimal contact with Matthew like they didn't really talk to him that much yeah and nobody had even thought to call him
00:38:41
when when Margaret and Paul had gone missing damn but now on the phone with Matthew that seemed to Emma like one of
00:38:47
the first places they should have started yeah Matthew confirmed that Margaret and Paul had been at their
00:38:53
house on the evening of the 4th at which time Emma told Matthew he needed to come
00:38:57
to Margaret's house right away and then just hung up on him and she immediately was like what like this isir like what
00:39:03
the [ __ ] later in a statement to the police Emma would describe Matthew's very strange Behavior immediately when
00:39:11
he arrived at the house she said he burst into the front room his head looked like it was going to explode and
00:39:17
I could see the veins in his neck he looked very emotional and asked what's going on he then walked into a corner of
00:39:23
the room and held his eyes with his fingers and let out a distraught cry and moan he seemed overwhelmed by the whole
00:39:29
situation which I thought was an absolute overreaction the police had not even had the chance to introduce
00:39:34
themselves to Matthew for all he knew Mom and Paul could have been away for the weekend Sally and I were not crying
00:39:40
we didn't look distraught and we didn't alarm him in any way that's strange so he has really he should have no idea
00:39:48
what he's walking into nobody's even told him anything massive reaction and he's like loing in the corner like
00:39:54
they're dead like crying wailing like losing it and they're like we haven't even told you anything yet like you
00:40:00
don't even know who these two people are like these detectives like you could be
00:40:03
walking in here and the police could be like hey like this has all been a misunderstanding your parents have were
00:40:07
way for the weekend and blah blah like you have no idea what they're about to say yeah exactly so to Emma and US
00:40:14
Matthew's reaction seemed fake and Incredibly performative but it only got stranger from there as the sisters
00:40:22
questioned Matthew about the last time he saw their mother and Paul he only gave super vague answers about the
00:40:28
dinner they had and each answer seemingly was interrupted by these like wild emotional outbursts and very
00:40:34
theatrical displays of emotion yeah he literally at one point had his head between his knees and was moaning and
00:40:40
wailing and crying where's my mama what happened to my mama okay and they were like this is
00:40:47
just a lot like no one which like you it's you know people are going to react different ways to different things but
00:40:53
they're like yeah I mean we try not because that's like one of the things we're always saying saying is like we
00:40:56
try not to judge somebody's reaction because it's like if I haven't been in that situation I don't know who's to
00:41:02
[ __ ] say but they're like we're all remaining calm and like it would be super awesome if you would remain calm
00:41:07
so we can all figure this out just get the information together you know what I mean like there does need to be some
00:41:12
semblance of like we got to get control here because we need to know what's going on we need to share the
00:41:17
information together and like figure out the next in a row yes figure out the next step so I can understand why they
00:41:23
were like dude you really got to keep it together like we're all adults here got
00:41:26
to keep this together we got to try to figure out what's going on and they're asking him for information and like
00:41:31
answers to these questions and when they ask him for specific information all he
00:41:36
would say is and he like through Tears like crying out he'd say it's all a blank I can't do this right now like
00:41:41
being very over the top like no you got to get it together so you can help like you know like you might be where she was
00:41:49
like and they're thinking like your house might have been the place they were going right so like yeah we do need
00:41:53
you to be a part of this whole thing exactly so frustrated Emma called Mar in hopes that she could provide any more
00:42:00
concrete answers but when she asked what time Margaret and Paul had left the house she's like so they got to your
00:42:06
house and Mar and Matthew were like yeah we had dinner so Emma's like okay what time did they leave Mar was super vague
00:42:14
and told Emma she couldn't remember and Emma's like do you have like any kind of
00:42:18
time frame like 9 10 11 Mar's like yeah I don't know and then before Emma could ask anything else she said Mar said is
00:42:26
Maddie there tell him to come home I have a headache and then just hung up are you kidding me nope so Emma was like
00:42:34
what the [ __ ] okay no so the detectives at the scene were really only slightly
00:42:40
more successful in getting any kind of information from Matthew he explained to them that yep he did have Margaret and
00:42:46
Paul at the house for dinner he's at around 9:45 he walked them to their car and he waved at them as they drove away
00:42:52
like the sweet sweet son he was oh boy however when they pressed for more information he started becoming
00:42:59
irrationally emotional again and said I can't handle this and then just left and
00:43:04
went home like dude come on it's like you're not helping here at all help and why are you not helping yeah later that
00:43:11
evening the uh after the whale siblings son's Matthew had gathered at prudence's
00:43:16
house they started discussing where their mother and Paul could be and Damen Wells repeatedly called Matthew's house
00:43:23
like they're all sitting there trying to come up with anything and they're like should we ask Matthew but they're
00:43:28
calling Matthew and getting no reply he's not even answering his phone at this that's weird behavior and it's like
00:43:33
we're calling you we could have found mom and dad like why are you not right by the phone NOA mom and Paul excuse me
00:43:38
yeah and the more they talked and particularly when Matthew's name came up Damian started to get the feeling that
00:43:44
his brother's dramatic performance at their mom's house might have been his clumsy attempt to hide something he's
00:43:50
like he just had like a an innate feeling he's like something's really off's off here so he called detective
00:43:56
Constable Sheen to report his suspicions about Matthew and he was like can you just send an officer over there we're
00:44:01
not able to get a hold of him can you just like check out what's going on yeah and they were like sure so when they
00:44:07
reached at uh Matthew and Mar's house the officers found the place completely dark like all the lights off after they
00:44:14
rang the bell several times they finally roused the couple and were allowed inside where they talked very briefly in
00:44:20
the kitchen they explained that Damien had asked the detectives to come check on him since Matthew just
00:44:26
stopped answering his phone out of nowhere and Matthew was like oh yeah I took a sleeping pill and I just went to
00:44:32
bed and they were no one knows where your parents are you're acting devastated by this fact and you took a
00:44:40
sleeping pill what if they find them exactly like to me that's weird I'd be sitting there staring at that phone same
00:44:48
he told the officers I'm just a bit upset and concerned about my mother you know but despite what he was saying the
00:44:54
officers there felt a complete lack of sincerity and they also found it curious that he kept bringing up Margaret which
00:45:01
obviously she's his mother but he's not saying anything about Paul and remember he doesn't feel the same way about Paul
00:45:07
that his siblings do he grew up with Paul pretty much as his father yeah so the next day April 9th the family
00:45:14
gathered again this time with Matthew and mariss in attendance and Matthew's theatrical displays of emotion started
00:45:20
pretty much right upon arrival immediately after sitting on the couch he started crying and howling asking
00:45:26
where's my mama but if they question the sincerity of his performance the first time the rest of the wh siblings
00:45:32
certainly didn't believe him this time no Emma said unfortunately I could show him no affection because really I
00:45:38
smelled a rat wow I think she's the baddest [ __ ] I was just going to say she is a bad [ __ ] she's like I've been
00:45:44
on to this and I just love that she's like unfortunately I could share no affection with him I'm like that that's
00:45:50
that's ballshit she like sorry couldn't do it she's giving like shiv from sucession isn't she God I miss six
00:45:57
absolutely now like I said the whales children were not the only ones growing suspicious of Matthew investigators
00:46:03
already were and now like that they're all they're seeing him too like sitting beside his siblings and in comparison
00:46:09
they're like yeah they're like something something's off just a miss here and they're starting now to think that he
00:46:14
might have had something to do with Margaret and Paul's disappearance neither Margaret or Paul
00:46:19
were in like super great physical health and they wouldn't have been able to travel at the time with all their med
00:46:24
without all their medication and essential items which were still at the house nothing of value had been taken
00:46:31
from the house and neither Margaret or Paul's bank accounts or credit cards had been accessed since The Disappearance so
00:46:38
a kidnapping seemed highly unlikely very much and giving given both of those facts the missing person's unit ended up
00:46:45
handing the case over to the homicide squad on the assumption that the pair were very unlikely to be alive at this
00:46:51
point which that's heartbreaking now based on the suspicions of the family and the
00:46:56
officers who investigated the initial report detectives started looking a little bit deeper into Matthew and Mar
00:47:02
almost immediately and among the first things they learned was that their clothing boutique wasn't doing terribly
00:47:09
but it was hardly a financial success and just a few months after opening their expenses outweighed the profits by
00:47:17
$52,000 uhoh and this does seem like a Money Motivated crime in fact things had actually become so dire that they
00:47:24
started about they started talking about selling the boutique and opening a cafe
00:47:28
instead thinking that would be a more stable business and now detectives are hearing like yeah all of all of this
00:47:35
turmoil regarding business yeah this isn't looking good so on the morning of April 9th Matthew arrived at the melin
00:47:41
police department to be interviewed and he brought these long handwritten notes of the conversation that he had with his
00:47:47
mom and Paul on the night of their disappearance he had these like weird transcripts that he WR wrote up okay
00:47:53
like the other times that they tried to interview him every everything seemed very overprepared super performative and
00:47:59
none of it was helpful and meanwhile other detectives paid a visit to Mar at the store and they were surprised to
00:48:06
find that even though she had only been made notified of their intention to speak with her like a few hours before
00:48:12
that she had already prepped a five-page statement detailing her dinner with the
00:48:17
missing couple a five page statement wow like you you can look at that one of two
00:48:25
ways obviously like I hate to be the devil's advocate here but that's what we do you could look at that as like she's
00:48:31
like I have to cover my ass cuz I have nothing to do with this and I'm I want to be prepared and have answers to
00:48:36
everything or you could say that is [ __ ] suspicious as [ __ ] why would you take the time to do that if you're
00:48:41
innocent you can 100% look at it both of those ways you can and it's like both ways make sense they do you could argue
00:48:50
both it's true personally I think it's [ __ ] weird I know all the details say knowing what you for you to say it's
00:48:56
weird it's weird exactly so according to Mar in her five-page statement they had
00:49:01
eaten dinner with Margaret and Paul they drank one bottle of wine after which Paul and Margaret played with their
00:49:06
grandson for a while looked through some recent photos and then left around 9:45
00:49:11
p.m. the statement also claimed that she and Matthew had always gotten along fine
00:49:15
with the rest of the Wales family but she did say quote mum was a bit standoffish she was a bit snobby Matthew
00:49:21
and I never had any real problems with the other Sons or daughters she was like Margaret was not the coolest but I
00:49:29
didn't have any and she says I didn't have any problems with the other Sons or daughters which like maybe she didn't
00:49:34
realize that she did but they didn't sound like they liked her very much I was going to say it doesn't sound like
00:49:38
it was a big happy but it could have been that they just like acted fake in knows cuz you know we all do that but
00:49:43
the next day April 10th the malver detectives held their first pre press conference flanked on both sides by
00:49:49
several of the whales children detective inspector Brian Ricks which I think is just such a cool name that is a cool
00:49:54
name Brian Ricks he told reporters there seems to be no known reason as to why these people have disappeared the way
00:50:01
they have these are people you wouldn't class as at risk of going missing they're retired people who have great
00:50:06
family support it is completely out of character and within a few hours of airing police started receiving tips
00:50:13
including one from a man who lived a pretty short distance from Margaret and Paul and he actually thought that he had
00:50:19
found their missing Mercedes-Benz the caller explained that he had been out walking his dog on the
00:50:24
night of April 6th and he noticed a silver Mercedes parked along the road around the corner from
00:50:30
his house and this stuck out to him because it looked I mean it's a Mercedes it looks super expensive and it didn't
00:50:36
have a parking sticker so he knew the owner wasn't a local resident and this was just like a very random place to
00:50:41
park your car yeah for a long time and he said he probably would have forgotten all about it but that the car was still
00:50:47
there every time he went back out to walk his dog so when he heard the description of the car on the news he
00:50:53
went back and checked the license plate and sure enough it was a match for Margaret's missing car oh imagine
00:50:59
figuring that out like you've seen this car every day on your walk and then you just go to check and you're like oh
00:51:04
that's the car that's there's a super haunting detail that we'll get to later on that like could be a case of like um
00:51:15
the eyewitness not working out so well or like a strange paranormal aspect depending on how you look at it
00:51:22
interesting but crime scene technicians searched the vcle and swapped for DNA and when they attempted to lift
00:51:28
fingerprints from the steering wheel there was nothing to be lifted oh whoever drove the car and left it on the
00:51:34
street had been wearing gloves and obviously wiped the steering wheel clean so that's not good no that's creepy as
00:51:40
[ __ ] the search of the car in the surrounding area also didn't turn up any additional evidence whatsoever but
00:51:46
during their canet of the neighborhood investigators spoke with a lot of additional residents who said they had
00:51:52
seen the car parked on the street and actually were able to place it there as early as April 5th which makes sense
00:51:58
because they went missing the night of the 4th now none of the whales children could think of any reason why their
00:52:04
mom's car would have been found in that neighborhood as far as they know knew she didn't know anybody that lived there
00:52:09
nothing like that and meanwhile at Matthew and Marita's house Sergeant Steven wadell questioned Matthew about
00:52:15
his relationship with Paul and he wanted to ask some follow-up questions about the night that his parents went missing
00:52:21
so that one detective is doing that while two other detectives are looking around the house in the garage
00:52:28
detectives who were searching the house noticed that there was a strong chemical
00:52:31
smell coming from Matthew's car on the ground around it and with Matthew's permission technicians searched his car
00:52:38
and performed a a number of tests but ultimately found nothing of Interest other than that chemical smell which was
00:52:45
strange but that is strange it's in a garage so yeah I me yeah who knows weeks passed with really little progress in
00:52:52
the case until finally on April 29th Detectives got a call from a ranger at the Yara State Forest who had made a
00:52:59
really terrible Discovery Ranger uh JN Gilt was working on track three he was marking spots where a series of large
00:53:08
Boulders were going to be placed alongside of the path and he discovered amound of freshly turned dirt just a few
00:53:14
yards off the path initially he thought it was a liar bird nest uh and he didn't
00:53:18
want to disturb the birds so he just left it alone and kind of went about his day yeah but throughout the day he just
00:53:24
kept thinking about it and something about it just didn't seem right to him and it trust your gut that's the thing
00:53:29
it was nagging at him all afternoon so he was like I want to go back and take a take another look at that people are
00:53:36
amazing when you really think about it isn't it weird that like you see amound of dirt and you're like oh that's
00:53:41
probably a bird's nest perfect explanation for it but then something and and you can't explain what it is
00:53:47
like what is it that tells us something is wrong that's so fascinating it's like
00:53:52
cuz we a lot of us have dealt with that where you're gut is just telling you something else it's interesting and
00:53:58
we've all felt that feeling and it's like what the [ __ ] is that feeling why do we have those kind of instincts like
00:54:04
it's weird it's like I don't know Evolution or some [ __ ] very interesting it is that's the thing so TR your gut
00:54:11
everyone trust your gut always as [ __ ] he actually I I like really respect how
00:54:16
he went about this because he trusted his gut and he was smart he actually went with another Ranger he's like I'm
00:54:21
not going to look at this alone like I should bring someone else cuz if this happens to be something I have a witness
00:54:26
here we're not going to [ __ ] something up exactly so he took this other Ranger
00:54:31
and they went back to the spot to take a closer look and they used a rake and started pulling away the loose dirt
00:54:36
until they uncovered and this is really Grizzly and just like [ __ ] up oh jeez they found three large cinder blocks
00:54:43
chained together which appeared to be holding down a deflated child's swimming pool what the [ __ ] thinking they
00:54:51
discovered a trash pile they just kept digging and moving more removing more debris and they quickly hit what
00:54:57
appeared to be a cloth bag held closed with another chain it was only when the rake ripped the cloth that a smell hit
00:55:05
them both and they both realized that they had discovered at least one body oh my God so obviously they called the
00:55:11
police technicians come rushing to the scene and they worked late until the evening to remove two bodies and when
00:55:17
they were finally Unearthed they were informally identified as Margaret whals King and Paul King holy [ __ ] so they
00:55:24
continued working through the evening and into the morning and Dr Malcolm Dodd started his examination with Paul's body
00:55:30
once he got him into the morg after removing the cloth sack from around his head the doctor found that quote the
00:55:36
neck and head were were covered with bloody green cloth gathered together in a knot under the right jaw holy [ __ ]
00:55:44
Margaret's body had been similarly wrapped with and tied up with ropes and when they were removed she also had a
00:55:50
long strip of green cloth wrapped and tied around her neck both bodies were discovered in a
00:55:56
really Advanced state of decomp which obviously made it very difficult for them to find any obvious signs of trauma
00:56:03
cuz they're trying to figure out like where they strangled where they hit it's hard to tell their stomach contents had
00:56:09
undergone uh minimal digestion meaning they were both killed very soon after eating dinner at Matthew and Marita's
00:56:15
house oh [ __ ] despite the advanced decomposition Dr Dodd was eventually able to identify the cause of death for
00:56:22
Paul as blunt force trauma to the Head with also signs of strangulation and Margaret as as
00:56:29
exfix but she did note that there was bruising on Margaret's uh body which led him to believe that she had also been
00:56:36
rendered unconscious before she was strangled okay hit somehow holy [ __ ] later blood tests would show that both
00:56:42
Paul and Margaret had consumed normal levels of alcohol paraset paracetamol I think it is it's acetamin in the US so
00:56:49
it's like Tylenol and Codine prior to dying so pretty like normal just yeah you said they weren't in the best of
00:56:57
health ex I'm sure they were taking that kind of stuff yep so later that morning
00:57:02
Sergeant wal notified the family of the discovery which must have been absolutely horrifying and a formal
00:57:08
identification was made which was confirmed then by a forensic or uh odontologist excuse me detectives spent
00:57:14
nearly an hour with the family and during that time Matthew was there and woodell pulled him aside and handed him
00:57:21
a search warrant for his home and asked if he would accomp them back to the house immediately so that they could
00:57:27
conduct their search at the house they found among other things a large post hole shovel a set of D shackles like
00:57:35
those found on the cement blocks a ball of green twine that matched the bindings
00:57:40
on the bodies an inflatable child's raft that appeared to match the small deflated pool discovered on the bodies
00:57:47
that is so isn't something about that just turns my this whole thing is horrifying but like that just turns my
00:57:53
stomach his 2-year-old child's pool little pool that he used and those are his grandparents underneath it who like
00:58:02
that's that just and in Matthew and Mar's bedroom detectives also discovered that the quilts and sheets on the bed
00:58:10
were similar in color and fabric to that which the bodies were wrapped in before
00:58:14
they were buried my God so they're like we have everything right like oh no for you yeah the announcement of the
00:58:22
discovery of Margaret and Paul's body set off a media frenzy as reporters clamored to get more information on the
00:58:28
story in his statement to the Press detective Sergeant Charlie bazina said of the area in which the bodies were
00:58:34
found given the popularity of the area you would think that if a person is aware of the area they would have made a
00:58:40
lot more effort to get further into the bush or certainly get away from the track yeah because they were found like
00:58:45
right off of a track in a forest and it was not lost on anybody that the investigators seemed particularly
00:58:52
interested in Margaret's son and Paul's stepson Matthew and his wife mariss and they knew that they had been searching
00:59:00
the home on multiple occasions since the discovery was made so the media knows what's going on here of course publicly
00:59:07
the murders of Margaret and Paul which the Press dubbed the society murders like I said in the beginning were touted
00:59:12
as a total mystery but unaware that the couple had been murdered the night they went missing several people actually
00:59:19
came forward saying that they saw them at various points in the days after their disappearance which would have
00:59:24
been impossible that's always fascinating this for some reason and like we say it all the time
00:59:30
like eyewitness testimony is so unreliable and can be so flawed but for some reason reading this I was like I
00:59:38
don't know if people are lying like it it just feels a little paranormal to me a man who lived in the area where the
00:59:45
car was found told reporters he saw Margaret return to the car several times in the week that it was parked in the
00:59:51
neighborhood he was like I saw her there multiple times and I also was like why would he say you know I mean like that
00:59:57
just seems I mean people do weird [ __ ] so it's not like out of the the realm of
01:00:01
possibility that people are just making [ __ ] up right but these some of these like that's a weird one to make up right
01:00:07
and it's like it's not like you saw her one time and you're like no I swear saw her once multiple times and he told the
01:00:13
Daily Telegraph she was well groomed and neat she locked the car and looked up at
01:00:18
me it wasn't a passing glance it was a searching stare in in hindsight it was a bit weird see that feels like a real I
01:00:27
like he saw that and it's like he's saying like she locked eyes with me and it to I'm I I might sound crazy but to
01:00:34
me that sounds like Margaret is like pay attention to this like I'm pay attention
01:00:39
to this car know what's happening like something has happened to me and like I'm going to have a hand in having it be
01:00:45
solved I mean crazier things have happened for all my paranormal friends here yeah I know
01:00:53
you're sitting here feeling us I just feel that wayp I do like cuz that is strange that's strange the fact that and
01:00:59
again who knows this person could be lying just for like telling what he thinks is a fun story but he the fact
01:01:05
that he said it wasn't a passing glance it was a searching stare that's very interesting right but that's just the
01:01:11
little blip that I was talking about regardless of the mystery suspicion among the locals in the Press was
01:01:16
starting now frequently to fall on Matthew and Marita according to author Hillary Bonnie who I've mentioned a few
01:01:21
times she actually wrote the book The Society murders it's a really good book I definitely recommend it she said as
01:01:26
soon as it became clear that the bodies were those of Margaret and Paul and that
01:01:30
Matthew's house had been searched by the police reporters and photographers set up camp outside Matthew's house so this
01:01:35
was like a huge case in Australia yeah and if they couldn't find any peace at home things were twice as bad whenever
01:01:42
Matthew and his wife went out people stared pointed hurled questions at them they were followed like this was not
01:01:50
good for them yeah but the case against Matthew however speculative or c circumstantial was really surprisingly
01:01:56
strong he and his wife like we know had been the last two people to see his parents alive they're and their bodies
01:02:02
were discovered along with evidence connecting them back to his house yeah then you put that up with his
01:02:08
disingenuous and very theatrical reactions to the news of the deaths that also aroused suspicions among even the
01:02:16
people who knew him best yeah and all of the children in the whales family which
01:02:20
is strange right and of all those children he was the one who actually would have benefited most and most
01:02:28
immediately from the deaths that's very true and as they dug excuse me and the more they dug the more suspicious both
01:02:34
Matthew and Marita looked their stories were too similar too rehearsed too convenient so on May 7th the funeral was
01:02:43
held for Paul and Margaret where Matthew repeated his performance of the hysterical grieving son and there was
01:02:49
even more animosity between the whales children at this point because at this point literally like they're being
01:02:54
buried and Matthew is refusing to submit a DNA sample to investigators come on when Emma pressed
01:03:02
her brother for a reason why he would not do everything he could to find the killer he said I'm protecting my family
01:03:08
and then burst into tears so they were like what the [ __ ] does that mean yeah you it's like this
01:03:15
is your family man we're your family like why aren't you helping us mom is your family Paul is like your family
01:03:22
hello damn as Matthew and re attempted to go about their lives after this the Press continued like I said following
01:03:28
them everywhere unable to ignore the fact that both of them seemed to be the focus of the investigation but while
01:03:34
they tried to remain United things between Matthew and Marita were very much beginning to break apart his
01:03:41
behavior had become super erotic and unpredictable and Marita started to worry that she was putting herself at
01:03:47
considerable Risk by continuing to stand by Matthew and they have a child and they have a child so on May 7th she
01:03:53
herself was brought in for more questioning and the gravity of the situation really started sinking in on
01:03:58
this day and this has been a month now like a a little over a month that they've been dealing with this and going
01:04:05
through this so a few days later on the advice of Her counsel Marita called inspector Brian RX to set up a meeting
01:04:11
with him oh boy when they all sat down together at the station RX went out of his way he was like oh it's super cool
01:04:17
that you're in here but I'm doing you a favor I'm doing both of you guys a favor
01:04:21
he said we don't need any help he's like I I know who the Killer is but whatever
01:04:26
like tell us what you need to tell usen me y so not wanting to blow their chance
01:04:30
at immunity though Marita immediately launched into her version of events the couple had been at their home for dinner
01:04:38
Margaret and Paul had come over for dinner she said and at the end of the night something happened she said
01:04:43
Matthew hit his mother and stepfather over the back of the head a few times then stacked their bodies up against the
01:04:49
front fence in the dirt he left them there a day and buried them oh my God so it's like we invited them
01:04:57
over for dinner we they ate dinner together that night don't forget they they had digested their food sat
01:05:03
together and ate dinner presumably they hadn't digested their food and then at some point he just went up and hit them
01:05:09
over the back of well that's the thing that's even more coning she's just like and at some point it's like he just
01:05:15
wailed them over the head though and it's like also where was your child during this did your child see this
01:05:21
happen you so hope like asleep you so hope and remember they're over there celebrating that the fact that their
01:05:27
grandson just turned two and that this is a new townhouse for Mar and Matthew like they're celebrating this family
01:05:34
this is [ __ ] up it's [ __ ] but she signed that statement summarizing everything she had seen that night and
01:05:41
how is she staying quiet at like I don't know she said she was scared I mean yeah
01:05:47
I'm sure she was yikes but that was all investigators needed to get a warrant for Matthew's arrest so on the morning
01:05:53
of May 11th a team of detectives and Patrol officers arrived at the home and served the arrest warrant given his
01:06:00
behavior in history of instability there was actually considerable concern that he might try to hurt himself or somebody
01:06:06
else but when they explained the situation and asked whether or not he understood what he was under arrest for
01:06:11
he just said yes and went willingly which wow really nobody expected back at the precinct in melin Matthew almost
01:06:19
almost seemed relieved that the entire charade had finally come to an end wow which is
01:06:26
just so strange it didn't take very long before he started to explain what happened on the night of the murders he
01:06:32
said and he told detectives once Marita went upstairs so you hope that with the baby that was to put the child to bed
01:06:39
yeah you hope that he said once Marita went upstairs mom and I went outside with Paul and I hit them with a block of
01:06:44
wood on the back of the neck he even went so far as to uh draw diagrams for the investigators indicating where
01:06:51
they'd been standing in the driveway when this happened and where the blood stains had been before he cleaned
01:06:56
everything up from there things really happened more or less as Marita explained it he choked Paul and his
01:07:04
mother with those strips of fabric that had been found around their necks and then he lifted their bodies by the fence
01:07:09
in order to hide them until the morning the next morning the [ __ ] he grabbed a
01:07:14
bed sheet ripped it into strips that he used to cover their faces because he didn't want to see their expressions
01:07:19
because he's a vicious coward and then he grabbed his son's deflated pool and wrapped their bodies up with it with the
01:07:27
bodies hidden from sight he went down the road to the gas station and rented a small trailer into which he loaded the
01:07:33
bodies and pushed the trailer into the yard out of view from any neighbors from there he went to the hardware store and
01:07:40
purchased uh the red and white sash cord that had been found wrapped around the bodies as well as the D shackles and
01:07:46
concrete blocks found on top of their bodies when they were Unearthed wow you the the chain that he has left that's
01:07:53
the thing like that is just leaving breadcrumbs everywhere everywhere later that day he said after Mar returned home
01:08:00
to take care of their son because remember he's the primary caretaker for their son she goes and runs the store so
01:08:06
there are just two dead bodies who happen to be this child's grandparents sitting
01:08:12
outside while this man is taking care of his son like really think about that wow
01:08:16
wow I don't really want to no don't but like really take that into consideration
01:08:20
to see how much of a man how much of a monster this man is but later that day when Marita got home to take over care
01:08:25
of their son Matthew wrapped his parents' bodies in that old quilt cover and then loaded them into the trailer
01:08:32
and drove out to the hour ranges he said his original plan so cold blooded it's this is his mom this is so cold blooded
01:08:40
and like his stepdad who he had grown up with since he was seven which is like I
01:08:44
know like you you sit there and you're like obviously there was a lot of stuff going on you know in this family and
01:08:49
everything like that and we were saying like oh that was kind of shitty that they got together after they friends no
01:08:54
one [ __ ] deserves that like well guess what there was four other children that went through the same [ __ ] that's
01:09:00
the thing it's like so that's not an excuse like not an excuse at all at all oh that's awful he said his original
01:09:08
plan had been to drop their bodies into water and weigh them down that's what the cinder blocks were for uh but he
01:09:14
worried that they might float to the surface which I was like how would they with cinder block they like be broke
01:09:20
free of it Som somehow but he said for that for that reason that he was worried he decided to bury them in the forest
01:09:26
instead after listening to Matthew's story he's like okay like the sergeant is like I I know that this is how this
01:09:33
all happened but why why did this happen cuz he's like we went outside after eating dinner and I hit them both with a
01:09:41
thing of wood and it's likeed to that you are skipping parts of this story like you didn't did you just walk
01:09:48
outside and you immediately hit them both with wood like that's kind of what it sounds like or it's there was no AR
01:09:53
argument there was no nothing without hesitation he replied because there's so much animosity and hurt between my
01:09:59
mother and myself and then just trailed off wow it took some time and he backtracked a lot he got confused but
01:10:07
eventually he explained the motive more in depth he said he had very conflicting
01:10:11
feelings when it came to his mom he said he loved her and relied on her for oh so
01:10:16
many things yeah but he also resented the way he felt that she used her wealth to dominate and manipulate others
01:10:23
specific specifically her children he blamed her for alienating him from the rest of his family and the resentment
01:10:30
and anger he said was just building in him for years so you know what remove yourself from her go to therapy remove
01:10:36
yourself from her life if you don't like her and you don't like how she operates
01:10:39
and you think that she's you know holding [ __ ] over your head and stuff remove yourself yeah but then any of her
01:10:46
money exactly so it's like that doesn't check out my friend exactly but he said things came to a head a few weeks before
01:10:52
the murders when they got into into an argument over her decision to sell a vacation property that was hers in
01:10:59
Queensland that was connected to the will that she had set up several years earlier according to that will the
01:11:06
siblings would receive an equal share of her estate which is her estate that she
01:11:10
owns and she's leaving to them if anything happens but it would go into a trust and they all according to Matthew
01:11:18
felt like this was her way of continuing to control their lives and treat them as
01:11:21
children even once she was is gone I swear the the like move is to never tell to tell your kids that you don't have a
01:11:29
will yeah honestly whatever you have about your will is just going into the wind like just like you get nothing I'm
01:11:35
just going to be like we don't have anything so it's not worth it cuz I'm not you're not getting anything no don't
01:11:40
just be like I don't have the will N I don't have one I don't have one sorry good luck like just cuz you hear about
01:11:46
this [ __ ] and you're like people killing their parents over Wills it's crazy over
01:11:51
what they get when they die it is like mindboggling scary it really is scary it's like holy [ __ ] you just hope that
01:11:58
you you know your child's not AO path I guess it's like what kind of role of the
01:12:03
dice is that seriously it's it's people are wild but he said the fact that he just kept thinking about the sale of
01:12:10
that property and the fact that that it was going into a trust and like why does
01:12:16
it matter that it's going into a trust I don't get I don't get it but I'm glad I
01:12:21
don't get it he felt like that was her control over the situation and he was so tired of her in his own words
01:12:28
controlling these situations and it was like at that point that he was like you know what I want to kill her like he
01:12:33
started thinking about killing her at that point that's wild cuz it's like that's not your money no it's not that's
01:12:39
not yours that's theirs that's her estate she can do with whatever the [ __ ] she wants with it that's the thing and
01:12:45
it's like she bought it she earned it yeah you can't get mad man that's her money yeah what you think she should be
01:12:52
doing with it is pretty relevant exactly your it's not yours that's the way it is
01:12:58
and it's like you were making your own money like that's what's so rough is like you
01:13:03
wonder what cuz it's like obviously he is a very disturbed human being from the start something probably would have
01:13:10
happened I think I think as well if it wasn't his parents who knows what it would have been if he can do
01:13:16
that what the [ __ ] was that nothing else in this room shook what was that it was
01:13:23
something over here I told you there was a paranormal aspect to this case I wonder if you can
01:13:29
hear that in the recording because that was [ __ ] terrifying if you can hear that in the recording keep this in
01:13:35
because that was [ __ ] terrifying that was weird I don't know what there's a shelf behind me everybody on the wall I
01:13:42
don't know if you could have heard that if you you know whatever if not we'll cut this there's a shelf behind me on
01:13:48
the wall and it has candles cand but they're not lit they're not lit just candles and such mainly and as I was
01:13:56
talking it almost sounded like a woodpecker something it was like behind me and then it just stopped and nothing
01:14:02
else in this room did that the garage door didn't open it like nothing shook in this room
01:14:08
like you know like neither of us are even like we're not even moving I'm not moving I'm sitting on a couch no we both
01:14:14
heard that or it sounded like almost like somebody dropping a coin or something yeah
01:14:19
like like something like that yeah that was bizarre sorry that just like threw me totally off no that was bizarre Kil
01:14:27
her but all that to say this was her money she could do whatever she wanted yeah and I think and
01:14:34
I think I was saying now I remember I was like sorry my brain just lost U obviously something likely bad would
01:14:40
have happened oh yes with Matthew as the the culprit there you know he had a lot
01:14:47
there was a lot of signs that's something and if you're capable of doing that yeah you're capable of doing a lot
01:14:52
of things agreed but you do wonder if he didn't have that hand thing and he was able to continue working I wondered that
01:14:59
and owning that Salon if it would have changed because I always wonder if like something like that can lead someone
01:15:06
away from those thoughts or instincts that they have when they have something that they are doing pouring their energy
01:15:16
pouring all their energy into I do wonder that I I have no basis for any of that you know I mean like I don't know
01:15:22
if what research there is on that I'd love to look it up that would be interesting I thought the same wonder
01:15:27
that if he didn't H if he didn't have to close that down and didn't have to shift
01:15:32
yeah because he was bringing considerable money too yeah like he was kind of supporting himself more at least
01:15:38
and and he probably felt a little more fulfilled because he was running a business and you know he he was doing it
01:15:46
well by all accounts so it's like he had clients that relied on him and that were
01:15:51
loyal to him like you wonder you know and I know it's rough to look back like that cuz you can't go back and and shift
01:15:58
it but you just wonder like would that have been a different thing outcome well you and I were talking about this
01:16:03
yesterday like it really is crazy how one choice or one circumstance in your life can change the entire course of
01:16:10
your life like if you don't go somewhere someday you don't meet somebody and you
01:16:15
don't end up here or you know like something as simple like we were talking about like breaking up with a boyfriend
01:16:21
that's like no good you know that like you're just like yeah he's shitty and if you had stayed with that person or like
01:16:26
a girlfriend and you'd stay with that person it could alter the total course of your life right like totally
01:16:31
different life you could have exactly you know it's one decision that you make people could have not entered your life
01:16:37
opportunities you know like who you are as a person like little tiny choices right and the universe is always trying
01:16:44
to tell you I totally believe that but I do wonder I'm like I want it's really sad cuz I wonder if Margaret and Paul
01:16:50
would still be here I know it's that's sad it's really I really feel for those that family I do too because they
01:16:57
probably sit there and ask themselves that question and a myriad of other questions it seems like they've just
01:17:02
gone through a lot you know like that's they've gone through too much as a family for it all to end that way agreed
01:17:09
absolutely and that's the thing for it all to end that way yeah so woodell listened patiently sergeant woodell and
01:17:17
then asked if Matthew's plan had been just to kill his mother cuz he just said I was that's when I started think about
01:17:23
killing my mom he said why not do it when Paul wasn't around like why do why did you also feel the need to kill Paul
01:17:29
and Matthew replied I quite like Paul but at the same time he destroyed my mother and father's relationship too o
01:17:36
which is just so that's black white answer but it's so gray because he's starting it off with I actually like
01:17:43
that guy but I killed him but I killed him violently but I actually do quite like him like that's really [ __ ] up
01:17:51
and a trigger warning for uh sexual abuse later Matthew would elaborate on his reason for killing Paul he said he
01:17:58
claimed that Paul had sexually abused him as a child and a short time before the murders he said he felt very
01:18:04
strongly that Paul had actually been been abusing his son too Matthew son oh unfortunately I don't have enough
01:18:12
information to say whether or not that's true but it is that's what he said that's the only thing I know wow so if
01:18:20
that is the case that is entirely [ __ ] up but at the same time it is not a reason for murdering someone and it's
01:18:26
also Paul can't isn't here to to defend that in any way exactly shap or form or to prove himself innocent or you know so
01:18:34
I don't want to go into that too much but he did say that that's that's something he said that he alleges right
01:18:40
you know wow yeah so investigators continued to build their case against Matthew and in the weeks and months that
01:18:47
followed collecting evidence to corroborate his admission they confirmed that Margaret well whales King had
01:18:53
indeed changed her will just like he said to have greater control over the inheritance left to her children by her
01:18:59
father and while most of the children objected to her decision that was true they all were financially independent
01:19:06
adults and saw no reason to for this little matter in the grand scheme of things to ruin their relationship with
01:19:12
her yeah so they were all they all were seemingly ticked off by it but weren't going to let it blow over into this big
01:19:17
thing but Matthew on the other hand like we were saying still relied very heavily
01:19:22
on Paul and Margaret for financial and emotional help so he believed that they turned to him during the sale of that
01:19:28
Queensland property that kind of changed everything because this decision of changing the will actually had to be
01:19:34
approved by one of the children and they went to him for approval and Matthew felt like his mom assumed he would be
01:19:42
too stupid to realize what he was signing oh okay so that's where all this animosity and anger let up both during
01:19:49
and after his confession though Matthew did insist that Mar had nothing to do with the murders and actually had been
01:19:54
asleep in bed when they happened so she he said that she only learned about it the following day and he told the police
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she cried she shook she dryr she retreated to her bed and HD hid under the covers oh wow so she he it's he
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makes it sound like she was like scared of him at this point and was horrified and I'm glad if that's the case that he
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was honest about that and didn't try to throw her under the bus as well if she had nothing to do with it you know
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agreed and the days and weeks after the murder after the murder excuse me Matthew kept telling his wife that he
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was going to turn himself into the police but he wanted to make sure that she and their son were protected so I'm
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not claiming to understand why Marita didn't go to the police but no you can see I guess that she one was afraid and
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two thought that her husband was going to turn himself in at some point yeah I mean I'm again I can't claim I've ever
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been in that situation so I'm not going to sit here and be like well she definitely should have done this exactly
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it just would have been super awesome if she could have told this ahead of time but again holy [ __ ] what a position to
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be in exactly and he sounded like he was scary so and she has a child to right yeah so her account Mar's account of
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things more or less confirmed that while she stood by her husband and remained silent she did want to go to the police
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from the moment she had learned what she what Matthew had done she told police I
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was brought up so good I can't believe this [ __ ] is happening to me I just want
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to die I'm so tired it's like a nightmare oh so you just that rocks your soul a little bit to hear like you know
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cuz it sounds like she was brought up in a really nice family like they got out of so much [ __ ] themselves and then look
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what she finds herself wrapped up she finds herself wrapped up in this and you You Can Tell She's for her to be like I
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just want to die like this is awful this is horrible she's a mother she's you know damn that's really sad so on
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October 17th 2002 Matthew Wales appeared before a judge in Melbourne magistrates
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Court where he pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder at the same time Marita pleaded guilty to one
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count of perverting the course of justice and was able to post bond several months later Matthew appeared
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before The Supreme Court in Melbourne where he was sentenced to 30 years in prison with a minimum of 24 years being
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served before becoming eligible for parole wow uh for the perversion of Justice charge Marita was actually given
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a 2-year suspended sentence as the judge did not believe that she played any role
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in The Murders the judge uh who was John coldry said I want to make it clear that
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there's no evidence linking Marita Wales to these murders well that's good now initially Matthew was sent to the laden
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prison which is a low security prison in Victoria where he arrived with a trailer
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that was hauling a special postoptic mattress for an injured back that he had um at first he struggled to adapt to
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prison life and continued very volatile behavior and that eventually got him transferred to hm prison barwan which is
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a maximum security in Victoria Maximum Security Prison in Victoria oh damn uh since arriving there he is said to have
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de demonstrated a better ability to control his anger and prison officials report that he's a model prisoner there
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in recent years it's said that he has dedicated his time to self-improvement he's enrolled in educational classes
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taken a job in the prison barber shop and has never been a problem for anyone at this maximum security facility I
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wonder if they just like don't deal with your like they're like we're not Tak security facility uh he is eligible for
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parole in 2026 oh and so far he's given officials no reason to deny him okay yeah now in 2007 uh marito
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Wales actually appeared in the Press again when she was arrested and charged with Grand Theft after stealing an
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$88,000 ring from the locker rooms at the Q swimming pool and then pawning it for
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$400 when she was brought before the judge at the Melbourne magistrates court she pleaded guilty to one count of theft
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and one count of obtaining property by deception her loyal her lawyer told the judge she saw it she made a split-second
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decision and that split-second decision was wrong and has had serious consequences for her damn she was
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sentenced to 6 weeks in jail suspended for 12 months and was ordered to repay $400 to the pawn shop and the pawn shop
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was ordered to return the ring to the rightful owner wow and that altogether is the case of the society murders it is
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so traumatic that is traumatic and it is absolutely wild to me that he could be up for parole after murdering his
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parents and in like cold blood like murdering two people that are the closest people like some of the closest
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people to you and seemingly out of nowhere like just over Financial dispute over like animosity because of a will
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and it's like he acted so poorly at one prison a low security prison that they were like we can't have this going on
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but now he's acting well at a maximum security and they're like well look at that and it's like okay that's not
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really a good indication of how he's going to be in the world right exactly we got to be thinking here like
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obviously we talk about like Rehabilitation all the time for sure and you hope that it's possible hope but but
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oh boy we to say we I guess we'll find out I guess so yeah so in the meantime we hope you keep listening and we hope
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you keep it we but that's weird that you murder your parents over their will because guess what none of that money is
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yours anyway yeah it's not yours man bye [Music] bye sorry I just burped how dare you