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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid this is morbid [Music] it's the sun in my eyes.com is what it
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is it is your bathed in a Heavenly Sunlight aren't I always you always are because you're in on hell yeah I have a
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confession and I don't have my SPF on today oh I know I forgot to put danger this is disgusting of me I forgot to put
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any face moisturizer on today whoa but I put my bod moisturizer on today which is like very backwards how
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do you function if I don't put face moisture on I feel like I'm actually kind of oily right now
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right to be honest but I would feel like the I feel the dryness I feel like no I
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did this morning I actually intended to steal some of yours when I got here this
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morning and then commit theft it's your stuff your stuff is my stuff theft and I would have reported it okay
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so I would have reported don't you dare tell me it's not it's stuffed oh okay let's say it's not you just did some
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weird [ __ ] Voodoo the universe was like it is it stopped well maybe I'm just so glowy because I've been a three
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leader at least a day water girly lately look at you I got a fake Stanley so I think I'm better than everyone you got a
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what uh you know those you know those cups that like influencers carry around that look like this oh and I I didn't
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know it was like a thing oh oh wow oh excuse me Stanley has like overswept the nation I can't believe that's just the
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name of the brand I honestly did not know that yeah it's like a like it's like these cups but not I thought you
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were talking about like Flat Stanley remember when you used to send them around the world
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um I do but that's not where I was going with um yes yes your thoughts are valid but
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no um no like these cups with the handle with the handle and like the skinnier bottom and like it looks a little bit
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different than this because this is um a Target it's cute though it's um reduce brand
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and I think it goes just as good it is I mean can you drink water out of it um there you go good as it is
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good as a Stanley in my book what is a Stanley there you go I always love um I always make fun of Ash when she
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gets the clanky ones because there was one time when we were in a meeting and I thought it was actually really [ __ ]
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embarrassing we hadn't even started the meeting yet we literally clicked onto the zoom and Ash bumped into hers her
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little canteen there and it knocked onto the table with the loudest clang I've ever heard and not only that
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[Music] [Laughter] when I bought this water bottle I I literally thought to myself like it's
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gonna piss her off and then I was like look at my new water bottle try to be a [ __ ] and she was like no that's not a
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canteen no what are you talking about it's not a big canteen jug Elena's got weird rules when it comes to water
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bottles I do and don't [ __ ] them up everybody and don't [ __ ] it up exactly cross you right off the list yeah it's
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who I am yeah you know yeah but you know what we do have that we can all agree is
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great oh my God we have something actually really exciting to share with you guys oh my old gods in the new
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that's where are you at over there we were traveling through different Realms a minute ago
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she's having a minute over there because guys we got to partner with Goliath and
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launch a [ __ ] board game we have a [ __ ] board game morbid has a [ __ ] board game this is the coolest [ __ ]
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alert alert alert alert it's the lunar dial yep I'm so [ __ ] excited about it so you can pre-order it on Amazon on
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July 17th which is super exciting and super soon if you and if you don't pre-order it do you even love us do you
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even love it are you even a weirdo do you even care about the moon do you what like do you what do you just want to
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tell the moon to [ __ ] off that's what you want to tell the moon you don't want
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to travel and collect full moons you don't care about Tides I don't understand why you would feel that way
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you collect like moonstones you collect Moon Stones and yeah like the and those are the full moons which is so [ __ ]
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cool it's very like high vibration you guys have multiple moons like doesn't like Jupiter have multiple moons yeah
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Jupiter has many Moons that's what I thought I think your kids yeah just ask my kids how many many moons yeah so yeah
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uh [ __ ] look out for the lunar dial pre-order on July 17th gather up your moons and your Moon Stones and have a
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freaking ball send us pictures of you playing or else you're fake and that's the that on that
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so next the vibe was a little off in this room earlier and the vibe has changed yeah I saw 333 I'm holding my
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rainbow obsidian yeah and I'm and I'm drinking water it is I brought my ghost chalice up with me I wish I could tell
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you that was a lie she's not joking Mikey found a ghost chalice it's a chalice chalice with Papa that I'm gonna drink
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from at all times has John seen that yet he sure has what were his thoughts he literally said what's that and I said
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that's a chalice and he said why though and I said why not and he was like touche yeah he let it go because he was
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like I whatever answer I get I'm not gonna like it so he just didn't ask any further you know what I have no further
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questions your honor you know what I want to tell you what I'm happy for you thank you and you're happy that I'm
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happy I'm happy that you're happy it's a great chalice we'll post a photo of it you're so weird I think we're gonna send
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one to Doug Bradley yeah we got yeah we're gonna send one to Doug Bradley because he also loves ghosts you know
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Brad ugly uh but let's get into you know this is all fun and games let's get into
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the really awful thing that we're going to talk about did you do that on purpose
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fun and games I didn't but glad it happened but it's one of those things sorry I was stalling smile
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because it happened so this case is called often referred to as the World's End murders which is very
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chilling sounding there's a place called World's End in Boston I think there you
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go there's also one in Scotland it's like a weird Island thing oh yeah I mean it's a do you know this is I was gonna
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say it sounds familiar yeah my friends went one time and I didn't go with them because I was being a [ __ ] but
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I thought they were being a [ __ ] yeah odds are odds are but anyways is this the one in Scotland this is the one in
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Scotland okay this is probably cooler in the United States so back in October of
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1977 we're gonna be talking about two 17 year old victims Christine Eady and Helen Scott
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they had met some friends and we're gonna get into the whole story but at the time they had met some friends that
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the world ends Pub in edinburgh's Old Town neighborhood um it was basically a normal night it
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was a normal night but they were selling celebrating something kind of exciting in their lives and as Closing Time came
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around their friends moved on to go to a party somewhere else and Christine and Helen started chatting with two men all
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right they ended up leaving that night and never being seen alive again oh no so let's talk about who Helen and
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Christine are Helen Scott was born in 1960 to parents Margaret and Maureen Scott
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she was the fourth child in the family and that included two older half-sisters and a brother Kevin who was one year
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older or excuse me one year younger after Helen was born the whole family moved to an Edinburgh suburb known as
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the Thomaston district and Moraine was an engineer with British Telecom and he ended up getting trans transferred there
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for work that's why they ended up moving and according to an author and former police officer on this case Tom Wood he
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said quote Helen was part of a close and loving family this was truly a family who loved each other like this was a
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safe place this was a family who encouraged her in every way they wanted to nurture her big bright personality
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that she had and they really instilled a self-confidence that allowed her to really flourish in her early years in
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primary school and become a really great young woman that's awesome like this was
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truly one of those families that you're just like [ __ ] like that they they love
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each other that's a happy house that's a safe house that's they're doing it right
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and it was in the early mid 1960s that Helen started attending high school and she did so at edinburgh's fur Hill High
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School I believe it's how you say it okay the school only had about a thousand students in high school
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and it was a largely working class section of Edinburgh and like most teenagers this is when Helen started
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coming into her own she was Finding what she was interested in she was really developing a love of fashion clothing
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you know makeup music films like she was really establishing who she was at this
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point and despite being slightly underage at the time she was 17 and the drinking age in Scotland is 18. yeah she
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was there um as they reached their mid to late teens Helen and her friends had really
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no trouble getting into the clubs and some of the pubs in Edinburgh especially the less Vigilant ones yeah and by their
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senior year they were kind of regulars at some of them like the spider's web which was a pub in the city center oh
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cool what a fun name for a pub yeah the spider they had a lot of cool names for pubs here and they're like the pubs here
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just look cool these old streets and they just look like a pub and like they have history
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like you look in there and you're like oh that place is haunted as [ __ ] yeah and it's going and it's definitely not
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the same here like historical was but in Boston we have a few streets that are super super old obviously and those the
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the places on those streets are out there like the Cobblestone is still visible the one where we went to the
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other night yeah it just always has like a different vibe to it it's almost like
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you can feel the history yeah it just feels different yeah but Helen was a great kid she just was like she was a
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good kid she was a good teenager a good young woman during her high school year she got a solid reputation as a very
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reliable and trustworthy babysitter around her neighborhood wow good for her she was great with kids and she often
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babysat for her older half-sister's two children and because she spent so much time around kids and really really
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enjoyed it she had an interest in pursuing a career in child care wow so she had officially made the decision to
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start night classes to start going down that Professional Road in 1977. oh that's awful now at the time she had
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just gotten a new job we're working at a kilt shop on Princess Street in edinburgh's like main shopping district
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Princess Street a kilt shop on Princess Street Dreams so she was celebrating getting this new job when she went out
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on October 15th oh she had gone with her friend Christine Edie who had also just
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got a new job so they were like hell yeah working girls look at us now Christine Edie had also attended for
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Hill High School with Helen they met there in their first year and they immediately became great friends I can
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see why yeah Christine was from a very similar background and she had actually been raised by her maternal grandmother
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in Collington Mains green Edinburgh and it seemed like Christine was a very normal and kind teenage girl and her
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grandmother did literally everything she could to make sure that she had everything she needed and that included
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having a very stable and very loving household and environment to live in sounds like my grandma right Christine
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was known to be very confident very kind she was very outgoing she was independent she could take care of
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herself because again her grandmother had instilled that in her yeah like she had taught and felt like she had given
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her that strength to be confident they sound like a couple of bad bees right and she was ready to take life literally
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by the horns and her grandmother supported her every step of the way at the time of her death she had moved into
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a new apartment with some friends actually and was really enjoying the freedom and Independence that came along
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with it now upon graduating from Fairhill High School Christine took a job with the Department of Education
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before getting a new job that of October as a typist with a chartered accounting
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firm in Edinburgh okay on the evening of October 15th she had agreed to join Helen and a couple of other friends some
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newer friends for a pub crawl to celebrate their new jobs yeah that's like so normal yeah you know like how
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many times have you gotten a text like Hey we're going out tonight want to come oh yeah head out this was like every
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other time they had gone out but this was just they just had something to celebrate right so October 15 1977 like
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we said very normal evening for them Helen met her friend Jackie Inglis at Jenner's store which was a few doors
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down from the shop she worked on at on Princess Street they were also really good friends since Primary School
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actually oh wow and this was something that they often did together so for um but for a night of celebrating a new
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job it felt a little more special so they got together first and the two of them stopped at the Mount Royal Hotel
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for a drink and then around 8pm they met Christine and their new friend Tony kivlin at wee Wendy's which was a pub on
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the Royal Mile in which is edinburgh's like Main Street main drag yeah now they went to a few more pubs along the Royal
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Mile and made their way to High Street in the old town District now shockingly Old Town district is the oldest part of
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Edinburgh well I know that's insane the name doesn't give away the lead so it's old so it is just a spider web of
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streets and alleys and tall buildings like you know old streets are always wildly put together and there's not
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great lighting because of the old and Tom Woods says that there's a gloomy effect because of this which I think
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sounds great among the businesses that were on in the old town District at the time were a
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number of the Cities what they described as more Gothic darker drinking holes okay thank you
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again I was gonna say that sounds awesome sounds right up your alley and this included what would be the girl's
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Final Destination for the evening which was the World's End pub on High Street okay again sounds so [ __ ] awesome I
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know so around 10 p.m they arrived at the World's End pub and they all took over a space near the back of the bar
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next to a pay phone it was busy there that evening so they had to stand and wait for a table to become available and
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apparently Christine and Helen got some whiskeys and apparently they were kind of at each other a little oh really more
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whiskeys they had they kind of started it was like Petty arguing it wasn't like they were like fighting you know like
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teenage girl [ __ ] like they were just annoying each other I think they're just
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like shut up sometimes your best friend annoys you honestly she's not your best friend if you don't like both be like
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[ __ ] off exactly now Apparently one of the biggest ones that they got into like
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arguments they got into was when Helen used the pay phone to call a boy she liked this boy was in Cold Stream and
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Christine made a comment about her having to call him on a pay phone because he didn't have a real phone at
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home Helen found that comment pretty classist and she didn't like it because she likes
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this boy so she doesn't want to hear it don't [ __ ] on your friends so she ended
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up storming out of the pub because of it and said that she was done for the night
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she was like [ __ ] you man oh I hate that this was their last night's been together well don't worry because
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apparently Jackie ran after her and convinced her to stay for another drink and by the time she had convinced her to
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come back inside I guess the rest of the group had secured a little table and they were joined with a couple of
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friends that they'd run into at the bar as well and in statements that were given to police
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in the following days people at the World's End that night told investigators that Helen and Christine
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were quote at the heart of the crowd engaged in animated conversations and were happy and smiling okay so whatever
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they had been through in the beginning they were at each other a little bit they got over it and they were just like
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[ __ ] it very classic best friend teenage girl we've had a couple of whiskeys a little bit and then we just go [ __ ] it
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I'm sorry yeah I'm sorry let's have a good night so they were over okay good yeah I'm glad that they got over it I
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know because when I first read this I was like I really don't want it to end this way and it's like I don't want to
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attend at all but I was like I don't want you to have that that last like you know bitterness with each other you know
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so some of the friends began drifting away from the table as the night went on and finally it ended up being back to
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the four core women that had started and it was nearing last call and Jackie and
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Tony decided they had to go to the restroom and when they came back they saw that Helen and Christine had been
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joined at the table by two men that they'd never seen before hate hate hate live entirely later when speaking to
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police Jackie described one of the man as unremarkable which I was like sick burn they usually are and he's she said
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that one looked like he was in his late 20s medium height quite stocky but he had piercing brown eyes she said he was
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dressed in basically you know 1970s style he was wearing a brown and white striped bell bottom pants in a brown
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v-neck shirt and a jersey you know like very 70s and the other man was described
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as being pretty much the same height same age as the first guy with short wavy hair a thick mustache and a fresh
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complexion ah I don't know what that means he was drinking three liters a day there you go now they said it appeared
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that the four were hitting it off like they were laughing with each other having a nice conversation so Jackie and
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Tony went to the bar and chatted with some friends there because they were like we're gonna let him have a moment
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yeah I think they're they seem to be having fun these friends that they were chatting with at the bar invited them to
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another party elsewhere so Jackie and Tony checked in with Christine and Helen at the table and were like hey we got
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invited to this other party do you guys want to come with us and Christine said no thanks
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Helen either didn't answer or Jackie didn't hear it she said she didn't hear Helen answer now as she left the bar
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Jackie said she turned around and looked back at her friends who were just getting another round of whiskey served
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to them by the two men and she said should they look she looked at them and then she turned back to Tony and off
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they went to the party and that was the last time she saw them that's awful now later that night just after the Bars
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were closing apparently two police officers were patrolling the High Street area just on a normal Patrol and they
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spotted two women and two men leaving the world's end after last call as they left the building the police
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officer said that one of the girls tripped and was actually helped to her feet by The Other Woman
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the officer said they could hear the two girls kind of bickering a little bit about how they were going to get home
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and one of the men said I'll give you a ride so in their statement to investigators the patrol officer said
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that one of the girls sounded very uncomfortable with the idea of getting in a car with a stranger yeah
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but the other friend was convincing her and telling her everything would be all right oh no now the light was low and
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they weren't really close to these this group of people to get a really good look so they said they couldn't say for
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sure that it was Helen and Christine and these two guys if they were pretty sure
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that was it and if it was then these two were the last two people to see Helen and Christine alive okay
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now on the morning of October 16th Maureen and Margaret Scott Helen's parents were wreck
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Helen had not returned home the night before and she had never stayed out all night without telling them Margaret
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literally stayed up all night just worrying about her and just fearing for the worst oh no that same morning Derek
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and Ruth Taylor just random couple left their home to drive to East Lothian for a picnic on
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the beach in long nidtree I believe it is romantic you know afterwards they were planning to walk on the beach
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together like a very cute afternoon so off they went they enjoyed a nice lunch together on the beach and then they went
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into the they went into their walk after that and after walking about a half an hour they reached a spot called Gosford
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beach around 2PM Derek looked ahead of them down the beach and saw what he said he thought
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was a Tailor's dummy Lying by the high water Mark it's never a dummy never it's never a mannequin so they walked closer
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to it and realized this was not a dummy it was a human being and it ended up being the deceased body of Christine
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Eady oh no she was lying bound and gagged on her back oh my God the couple ran to Gosford house which was right on
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the way and it was very close to them and called the police to report it a few hours later John McKenzie was out
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walking his dog through a field in haddington which was five or six miles from Gosford Beach weird he also saw
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what he assumed was a Taylor's dummy lying in the field when he walked towards it he too realized it was the
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dead body of a human it was Helen Scott oh now Helen they were separated and that's what's so it's scary Helen's
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hands were tied behind her back with what he thought was a chord and John reported he believed she was nude from
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the waist down but someone had placed a black woman's coat across her torso and head
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now John McKenzie ran home to get his car and he drove to the police station to report everything
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it actually took a little time for them to make the full identifications for both the women but police very quickly
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noted that there were similarities between these two scenes it was first strange that two teenage girls were
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found at the same time essentially miles apart in very similar positions yeah but
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both girls had been bound at the wrist with an item of her their clothing and gagged with their underwear oh God
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that's brutal they'd each been sexually assaulted beaten and strangled but had two they'd um the difference between the
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two was the method of strangulation each was unique Christine appeared to have been
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strangled manually but Helen had quote an imprint left by a stocking which had been tied around Helen's neck and four
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bruises left by fingers under her jaw and a row of horizontal scratches in front of and behind her ear
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hmm something patterned they said was what made this happen Okay so the news began reporting it quickly and after
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hearing a report on the news about a body being found on the beach Maureen Scott called the police oh no and
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reported his daughter missing he was told that they had no information on the identity but they would contact
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him as soon as they knew more I can't imagine hanging up that phone just having to wait and being like is this my
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child's is this my child on the news oh so he said later Marine said later on we learned
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there had been another person found and then we had a phone call from the police
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it's so awful and then their fear was confirmed when a few hours later a police officer showed up at their door
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carrying Helen's black coat oh God Maureen said they brought Helen's clothing and they told us they assumed
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it was her that they had been that they had found but she had to be identified by someone from the family
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no thank you I can't imagine having to do that it was Maureen who had her father had to go down and identify her
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at the morgue as recent as last year detective Sergeant Douglas Kerr talked about this
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case he was on this case and he's just talked about how much Helen's parents reaction affected him he talked about
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how he had unfortunately delivered many death notices in his career to loved ones but he said but this case has lived
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with me all my life I can still see the look of Anguish and Devastation on the face of Mr Scott as he looked on the
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body of his beloved daughter about the case he also later said this particular inquiry was unique in the
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fact that these two lovely girls had been taken away tied up and brutally murdered and sexualized and discarded
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like a bundle of rags it was a horrible crime it was something that in all my 37
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years in total in the Police Service I never came across at any other time wow now identifying Christine eadie's body
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was to be a bit more challenging for detectives because she had moved into an apartment like I said a few months
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earlier so her absence wasn't like immediately discovered and reported right she would eventually be identified
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by her mother Margaret Craig oh wow who'd last seen her daughter the day before she went out with the friends at
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the World's End pub oh okay but they didn't live together so it wasn't an immediate like she's not coming home
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so their autopsies showed that they had been brutalized whoever did this was an animal they had died of forms of
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asphyxiation with injuries showing that they had been throttled and choked with ligatures around their necks God
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according to the Courier and Advertiser paper Dr Robert Nagel who completed the autopsies testified later that Christine
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had pinpoint hemorrhages abrasions scratches a ligature track around the neck bruising to her mouth and pressure
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marks on her upper thighs her cause of death was noted as asphyxia due to strangulation with the ligature
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and by gagging of the mouth wow they were gagged with their underwear so she is fixated by being gagged with
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her own underwear that's so so horrific and Helen's injuries were much the same but also she had an injury that was due
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to a shoe stomping on the left side of her head oh my God and both young women had been sexually assaulted oh no I knew
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you were gonna say that yep so the horrific discovery of Christine and Helen's body sent shock waves
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through this small community because it was just outside of Edinburgh this again
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that high school was like a thousand people like this is a small place yeah and it actually happened only a few days
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after another woman had been found murdered in Falkirk she was discovered in bushes with a bag over her head what
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and everyone was pointing out that the murder seemed similar to the unsolved Bible John murders that had happened in
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Glasgow oh [ __ ] yeah and that was only a few years earlier right and many locals
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were thinking another serial killer was around can you imagine just coming off of that like and now this happens right
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and it's unsolved at this point now the deputy chief Constable Tom Woods told the guardian because of the nature
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of the victim's complete innocence and because of the nature of their death and because there were two of them it was a
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shocking shocking crime the sort of thing didn't happen here the police force was not equipped for a double
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homicide or a serial killer oh no so the investigation into both murders became under the control of detective
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superintendent George McPherson he quickly placed a commanding officer in East Lothian and another in Edinburgh
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and investigators were now going to retrace Christine and Helen's movements the night before at World's End so they
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began interviewing as many patrons of the World's End as they could just in an effort to track down leads eliminate
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potential suspects anything they could get based on their interviews the investigators were able to make it like
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a big map of the Pub's interior and they used time logs and people's memory to place each Patron in their position
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Missions at the bar that night which is like they really went for it yeah I was gonna say that was smart detectives
00:28:58
quickly learned that after Jackie and Tony had left the World's End Christine and Helen were joined by two men who
00:29:05
they were also seen leaving with a little after 11 p.m the descriptions that were given to them by patrons at
00:29:11
the World's End and Jackie and Tony they matched pretty well so they were like these are the same guys right
00:29:18
um and apparently they were seen leaving in a dark colored car near Gosford Beach
00:29:23
a little before 3 30 a.m the day of a murder the same description oh um so they were assuming these are all
00:29:30
the same guys it at the very least it was a wild coincidence right so the fact that the girls have been seen with two
00:29:37
men was enough to at least entertain the idea that there were more than one killer here but evidence of this is
00:29:44
there's more compelling evidence of this in the case well the different like methods of speculation for one they had
00:29:50
been taken and killed around the same time with the same ish methodology but they were found miles apart so each was
00:29:57
killed like we just said with a different method of strangulation and then the strongest bit of evidence for
00:30:02
the two killer theory was the knots used to bind the girl's hands oh Christine's
00:30:07
hands were bound with a reef knot something sailors use I guess oh okay um and Helen's hands were bound with a
00:30:13
figure eight binding also a forensic scientist Roger eyed later told the jury that the knots also
00:30:21
showed different dominant hands oh a lefty and a righty that's so interesting that you can tell that just from isn't
00:30:27
it interesting yeah like it must be the way one thing goes over another you do it with that hand right
00:30:32
wow interesting yeah similar differences were found in the ligatures around Christine and Helen's necks uh
00:30:39
Christine's killer definitely had a familiarity with Knotts and Helen's killer not super familiar okay so Dr
00:30:47
Roger eyed who we just talked about he was 72 in a forensic scientist he was also an expert on noths hell yeah he
00:30:54
testified also to the fact that Christine had very likely fought hard not to be tied up and it appeared that
00:31:02
Helen was likely unconscious when she was tied up or threatened into staying still right
00:31:10
Christine's wrists had been bound with tights like her own tights and one hand was tied and bound first and then the
00:31:18
other making it look like handcuffs okay and they said this indicated to them that she was fighting back and made it
00:31:24
very hard for them to bind her and like tie them together together and Helens were tied very close together in that
00:31:30
figure eight thing so that her hands were clearly together they believed she was probably unconscious especially
00:31:35
because she had a shoe Mark to the side of her head that yeah she even stomped right now the investigation started out
00:31:42
strong with nearly 80 full-time officers tracking down a ton of information by Witnesses the general public just
00:31:51
anybody they could talk to Tom Wood said there was a genuine mood of public outrage fanned by an active
00:31:58
and imaginative media there was a sense that this crime above all others was beyond belief it was the stuff of
00:32:04
American cop fiction not reality yeah now there was a lot of pressure as well to solve this crime as often happens in
00:32:11
these so detectives worked really hard to rule out Helen and Christine's male friends first but they also had to rule
00:32:18
out the suspects from The World's End pub as well right suddenly it occurred to investigators that despite the slight
00:32:25
differences in the description of the men seen with the two girls all were pretty dis consistent with describing
00:32:32
them as being well dressed and having short hair okay this was different Tom Woods was was quoted as saying in the
00:32:39
late 70s this was not typical for young men no not at all hair and straggly mustaches were still the rage right so
00:32:46
this fact LED detectives to wonder whether the suspects might be soldiers stationed at the military Garrison and
00:32:53
nearby Edinburgh Castle and one of them is good at knots exactly so a ton of time and energy was put into
00:33:00
interviewing all the soldiers that fit that criteria but unfortunately it turned up nothing well those I think
00:33:06
because one had like longer wavy hair yeah a little bit longer yeah now while detectives in ethylone East lithium I
00:33:13
can't find that I keep saying eth Lothian because yeah it's like your brain is getting ready to be Duluth East
00:33:18
Lothian um and Edinburgh worked around the clock to interview Witnesses and get leads and
00:33:25
crime scene technicians were also trying to find something from the evidence they
00:33:29
collected at both the scenes just something to to spark something in someone like anything and at the time
00:33:35
the Lothian and borders police had neither the resources or the experts really the skills yeah to properly
00:33:42
analyze the evidence so experts were being borrowed from the neighboring strathclyde police okay
00:33:50
um the mo at that point the most significant piece of forensic evidence that they got from either scene was
00:33:56
semen found on Helen's Scots coat oh this would be great evidence later yeah but was just cataloged in 1977 but hey
00:34:07
they got it good for them for cataloging they knew eventually this could be helpful right now at the time detectives
00:34:14
were hoping someone saw something somebody had to have seen something but the only real descriptions they were
00:34:20
getting was just the men in their clothing right which again were unusual so there was that a small team of
00:34:27
officers were dispatched at after they checked out like the military Garrison they went to the fashion districts in
00:34:34
and around Edinburgh with descriptions and artists renderings of what they were wearing hoping that they could find
00:34:41
somewhere where these men bought those clothes right Unfortunately they weren't really getting anything by the by mid
00:34:47
1978 what had begun as a very strong investigation and they were going full force it was kind of eroding into a
00:34:54
colder and colder case losing steam frustrated by any lack of progress and without literally anywhere to take this
00:35:01
case George McPherson the superintendent made the decision to shelve the case that may that name sounds so familiar it
00:35:08
does he made the decision to redirect the resources of the department okay but as
00:35:13
a cold case it was going to remain open but the investigation would still be ongoing but until a new lead or piece of
00:35:20
evidence came along they kind of just shut it down because they can't have that many people on it when it's not
00:35:25
they just redirected the resources so in 1988 10 years after the murder set occurred holy [ __ ] still hadn't found
00:35:31
who did it nothing the case had been actually shifted to the doll Keith criminal investigation Division I think
00:35:38
from what we could find uh it looks like it was just like because it they had to get it off their
00:35:46
their stuff like the reason for that was nothing more than just we had to clean house okay here you go it's your thing
00:35:53
yeah maybe they had more like resources maybe and they ended up being contacted by an inmate at Sutton prison in
00:36:00
Edinburgh and this inmate said that his cellmate had confessed to the killing of
00:36:05
Christine and Helen okay so the supposed confessing killer actually apparently seemed to have knowledge of the crimes
00:36:12
that hadn't been released to the public including how the bodies had been positioned so it gave a little
00:36:18
credibility yeah but when questioned the man denied ever having confessed and they didn't really have any evidence to
00:36:24
connect him to the crime so it was just dropped okay he was like I didn't confess to that oh right okay it's not
00:36:32
gonna come back I feel like that happens in a lot of these cases and they just never touch upon it again like it's just
00:36:37
like this inmate said that he did it and then he's like nah I didn't do that and
00:36:40
then he had information that we never released I'm like why did he know that exactly so additional claims kept coming
00:36:47
in throughout the late 1980s and early 1990s actually Oh no you're not gonna last that long including a lot of women
00:36:54
who called in and claimed their husbands ran out on them just after the murders happened and they thought that they were
00:37:01
the ones wow but none of those were lead damn it's really upsetting that that many women yeah that there was my
00:37:07
husband was capable of that right but another possibly promising lead came in early 1997.
00:37:15
yeah and this happened so that's 1977 is when this happened holy [ __ ] yeah so this is when a bunch of Underworld type
00:37:22
Figures were interviewed by the times like like gangster kind of figures like underworlds
00:37:28
but that's that's it that's what they are I know but it's just like it doesn't feel right coming from you but like I
00:37:36
love it because they're not like that you call the like like a mob type thing would be gangsters like oh no even when
00:37:42
you just say gangster and you're supposed to it's just funny I don't know I was like I was like I don't understand
00:37:46
I didn't want you to say Gangsta well no because it wouldn't make sense no that's
00:37:50
yeah but it's just funny but you know so these underworld gangsters were interviewed by the times and claimed
00:37:58
that the killer was actually an underworld figure known to be like a sexual monster yikes yeah according I'll
00:38:07
just kept that in for 20 years like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you they're underworld Gremlins themselves I know so
00:38:12
according to one of the informants the Killer is quote pure Beast yeah a few years ago he abducted the wife of a
00:38:20
friend of mine and the Beast kept her prisoner for a month he raped her repeatedly through that time yeah
00:38:27
so a police Source confirmed that the man in question was indeed a person of interest at the time of the murders
00:38:33
actually oh [ __ ] and he said he had been in the frame because he was a thoroughly
00:38:37
monstrous man at the time he was also known to frequent The World's End unfortunately it ended up being a dead
00:38:45
end it wasn't him are you kidding me and later they would confirm through DNA that it wasn't him uh did they check
00:38:50
into the guy I hope they took care of it yeah like I was like does he currently still have a prisoner because it's like
00:38:57
with this one you're like yeah that's awesome that it's not him I guess but like that sucks that he exists he's
00:39:02
still a problem right it's like he's he's a big old problem so I hope they took care of that but while the media
00:39:09
and the public were focused on you know theorizing about underworld gangsters and deadbeat husbands yeah police and
00:39:15
Dal Keith started getting more familiar with the science of DNA at this time we're in the 90s so we mentioned earlier
00:39:22
that among the few pieces of evidence collected during the first investigation there was semen covered on Helen Scott's
00:39:28
clothing unfortunately in 1977 like we said not of little use but very smart of them to
00:39:36
catalog catalog it by 1997 advances in science and technology had made it possible to not only identify a person
00:39:44
with you know certainty using their biological materials but it also made it possible to use those samples to prove
00:39:50
or disprove their involvement in a crime in 1988 a DNA profile was created from the semen sample but at the time all
00:40:00
they could get was the Killer's blood type but they were moving in the right direction okay now a decade later in the
00:40:06
90s there was more to be found from that sample and more was found from that sample during this time police and dull
00:40:13
Keith were eager to compare the new now more complete DNA sequence in that semen
00:40:18
to the DNA of men in the World's End on the night of the murders so the DNA profile was compared to over
00:40:25
200 samples taken from male patrons in the pub that night not one was a match what they also found no matches in the
00:40:35
hundreds of swabs taken from known Predators living in the area at the time it wasn't even hitting on any of the
00:40:42
1200 suspects flagged in the police national computer are you [ __ ] me right now yeah this was so frustrating
00:40:49
but luckily it wasn't for nothing because during this whole process they were able to use the DNA to discover
00:40:55
that while Helen and Christine were likely killed by two men one of those men sexually assaulted both
00:41:02
girls so there was likely two killers but one man raped both of those girls oh yeah
00:41:10
which was new information and shocking information yeah so after 18 months of back bending work
00:41:17
trying to get this DNA to NAB their killer they really weren't closer to finding him this is solved right it is
00:41:24
okay at a press conference held in March 1999 stop it we're nearing the 2000s right now dalkeith superintendent John
00:41:32
McGowan told reporters I'm disappointed for the families that we have not solved
00:41:36
these murders it's a mystery and it remains a mystery I hope one day that another detective will solve it
00:41:43
McGowan didn't know at the time but investigators would not have to wait for another detective to solve this case now
00:41:51
in the spring of 2001 A man named Angus Sinclair went on trial for the 1978 rape
00:41:58
and murder of a 17 year old girl named Mali gallacher in Glasgow Sinclair had a long criminal history and
00:42:06
a dated back to the late 1950s damn beginning with like you know home invasion house breaking charges in his
00:42:13
early teens and he escalated to sexual violence and child murder before he even entered his twenties holy [ __ ] yep
00:42:22
what's his name Angus Sinclair yep when he was 16 years old he lured his neighbor Catherine rihill who was only
00:42:30
seven years old into a stairwell where he sexually assaulted and strangled her oh my God he
00:42:38
then called an ambulance and told them a wee girl has fallen down the stairs why
00:42:43
called an ambulance oh he's a scary looking [ __ ] he was only given 10 years for that and served six
00:42:54
what at the time a psychiatrist who he was being forced to see had this to say about him and when he was 16 years old I
00:43:04
do not think that any form of psychotherapy is likely to benefit his condition and he will constitute a
00:43:11
danger from now onwards he is obsessed by sex and given the minimum of opportunity he will repeat these
00:43:18
offenses and they released him anyway what the f so they were just like yeah this psychiatrist literally said
00:43:25
therapy won't help him if you let him out he will 100 percent repeat these offenses and the justice system said let
00:43:35
him out I guess we'll see and then he was like yup and he did the same exact thing the therapists that like take the
00:43:41
time to first of all have to sit there and talk with these people and study these people and then write a report
00:43:47
like that must just feel so slapped in the face when the legal system's like yeah sorry because they're probably
00:43:54
gonna [ __ ] around and find out I guess and this psychiatrist is probably like yeah [ __ ] me right like I just have a
00:43:59
degree I just sat with this person for hours and hours on end and they're probably like why did you ask me to do
00:44:04
this in the first place like you just gave me nightmares and [ __ ] with my mental health for no [ __ ] reason to
00:44:09
totally disregard my feelings on this and also not for nothing now that person knows me like yeah and then like now in
00:44:17
their sentence yeah so after serving that joke of a sentence he was out got married to a wife Sarah
00:44:24
might I just say he has the yellowest fingernails I've ever seen in my life he's [ __ ] heinous don't worry he's
00:44:30
dead now die um he also had a son now he was thought to have also murdered Francis Barker 37 Hilda McCauley 36
00:44:42
Agnes Cooney 23 and Anna Kenny 20 years old all in similar ways to Helen and Christine they just weren't able to
00:44:51
prove it they were all left with ligatures of their own clothing just like Christine and Helen and it was all
00:44:56
around the same time and after Helen and Christine's murders he was identified by
00:45:01
a witness in the rape and murder of 17 year old Mary Gallagher right now after this he suddenly started raping because
00:45:09
after he got like a close call with Mary Gallagher he suddenly started raping and
00:45:16
assaulting children all over the area it's like he decided like I'm getting too close to getting caught with teenage
00:45:23
girls so I'm just gonna do it with children oh my God this guy is [ __ ] horrible
00:45:27
in fact later in 1982 when he was finally caught for the rape charges he said the amount of rapes he had
00:45:34
committed was probably in the hundreds Jesus Christ what the [ __ ] happened to this guy he was sentenced to life in
00:45:40
prison in 1982 when he got caught for the rapes oh wow so he was in prison when they found out yeah so he was known
00:45:46
to police in Edinburgh at the time of Christine and Helen's murders in 1977 when he was not in prison obviously and
00:45:53
he was but he was never considered a suspect that's interesting I wonder why it's wild in fact despite his having
00:46:00
provided a DNA sample in 1999 when he was arrested for the Gallagher murder you're [ __ ] me it wasn't until 2004
00:46:08
that his profile was flagged as being a match why did it take for the unknown DNA in
00:46:13
the semen found in the World's End how does that happen it must have just like an oversight yeah I have no idea it
00:46:20
takes forever but and in the beginning I'm sure it took a lot longer but by the time Dahl Keith detectives
00:46:26
made the match with Angus Sinclair for the semen found on the code so now we know he's the one who raped both those
00:46:32
girls yeah Angus Sinclair had been tried and convicted at this point for the Gallagher murder and was serving a life
00:46:39
sentence at peterhead prison and that's where he had been serving since he was convicted for three rapes
00:46:45
in the 1990s so this man was just he was just his cup overflow us with prison sentences with nasty chillingly through
00:46:53
their investigation detectives began to see Sinclair developing many like they watched
00:47:00
through his history where he developed a lot of the elements that became evident
00:47:05
in the Edie and Scott murders like sexual assaults committed with a partner which he did beginning in the OR at an
00:47:11
early age and his method of strangulation and abuse was was also present in the Gallagher murder and he
00:47:19
was like really honing these skills right and was it the same partner the whole time so it was definitely this guy
00:47:25
for at least a couple of them okay and we'll talk about who he is I was gonna say who the [ __ ] is this guy that like
00:47:30
yeah has no conscious whatsoever so they didn't want to tip Sinclair off to their
00:47:35
investigation or alert the public to the suspect before they were ready to really
00:47:39
nail him so Dahl Keith detectives worked very quietly but many journalists and crime reporters
00:47:45
had contacts within law enforcement by May of 2004 and so the tabloids started reporting that Sinclair was the top
00:47:52
suspect in the world Zen killings so hoping to get ahead of them police held a press conference in Edinburgh that
00:47:59
month and they told reporters that they had been alerted to Sinclair through the
00:48:03
science of DNA and were looking at his possible connection to at least seven unsolved murders in the area
00:48:10
though they didn't at that time reveal any of the names of the victims like it was pretty obvious who they were talking
00:48:16
about yeah following that press conference journalists from a ton of Scottish and British news outlets a lot
00:48:22
of them tabloids put the pieces together and concluded that Sinclair was definitely one of the two men who had
00:48:28
killed Christine Eady and Helen Scott so the other big task was now finding the identity of the second suspect they had
00:48:37
a DNA profile but nothing to compare it to so they looked to Sinclair and they just built the case around him looking
00:48:44
to his friends his family his associates anybody around him to be like who's this
00:48:49
person he obviously knows them yeah of course it was tough because Sinclair had spent a lot of time in prison since the
00:48:56
early 80s so there was a little bit of a gap in his social life and after working
00:49:01
closely with forensic scientists detectives discovered that the second semen sample had quote come from the
00:49:07
same paternal line as the five brothers of Sarah Hamilton Angus Sinclair's wife so his brother-in-law mm-hmm why now
00:49:18
like I said they're claiming that he that Angus was the one who raped both girls but they do believe that this
00:49:24
other suspect had something to do with it because they were able to find DNA from him right from that point it was
00:49:31
simply a matter of probability because they have narrowed it down with familiar familial DNA of the five Hamilton
00:49:38
Brothers only one Gordon Hamilton was unaccounted for his [ __ ] brother-in-law got so
00:49:46
Twisted nearly certain that their second suspect was Gordon Hamilton his wife's brother
00:49:52
detectives were pretty disappointed because they found out that Gordon Hamilton had died in 1996. I hope it was
00:50:00
really [ __ ] awful for him so he was never going to be held accountable for this crime wow that's really really
00:50:07
[ __ ] makes me angry but as much as that sucked investigators needed to confirm
00:50:13
his DNA was a match for the profile they had which was a little difficult Hamilton's body had been cremated of
00:50:20
course they could not exhume him yeah I wonder why that was his [ __ ] way yeah exactly so detectives determined a
00:50:26
personal possession would be probably the next best thing they could get Unfortunately they quickly found that
00:50:31
Gordon Hamilton was a very difficult man to pin down and even his family members
00:50:36
didn't really have any of his possessions or items that really could give them a biological sample would want
00:50:41
them after months of dead ends Edinburgh detectives had to get kind of creative so they located a house Hamilton had
00:50:48
worked on many years earlier and after getting permission to do a thorough search of the house from the homeowners
00:50:54
investigators found a small section of like this some kind of stripping in the house that contained a trace of
00:51:02
Hamilton's DNA oh [ __ ] and despite the relatively small size of the sample they
00:51:07
were able to successfully match the sample to the DNA that they had collected 1977. proving conclusively
00:51:14
that Gordon Hamilton was the second killer in the World's End case even though he was dead they did look
00:51:21
into his background because they were like what the [ __ ] and they discovered he was raised in a pretty large Scottish
00:51:26
Scottish family where the father was very domineering and very violent the children all came out of the home with
00:51:33
addiction struggles a lot of criminal Tendencies a product of their environment yeah so of course only a
00:51:40
couple of his siblings were even willing to talk to police right angus's wife Sarah and a younger brother were really
00:51:46
the only ones that were willing to talk to them and it was through the younger brother
00:51:50
that investigators learned Gordon had begun his criminal careers with Angus Sinclair which included acts of violence
00:51:57
and theft occurring before and after the Edie and Scott murders what's crazy is this was apparently a surprise to some
00:52:04
people who knew them like they were like wow I didn't see that for them what like yeah and yeah
00:52:10
like they were like wow they were violent that's crazy and it's like they were the most violent right sorry I
00:52:15
didn't mean Scott yeah it's wild but together they were brutally violent they had not only committed the rape and
00:52:22
murder of Edie Scott but also a home invasion robbery the year prior where they robbed and viciously beat a man and
00:52:29
his daughter as well as their landlord holy [ __ ] they were [ __ ] what are they doing monsters were they like on
00:52:36
[ __ ] no they were just say just are evil they just are [ __ ] by the time detective
00:52:41
sat down to interview Angus Sinclair in October of 2004 they had assembled a pretty vivid picture of his personal in
00:52:49
criminal history as well as that of Gordon Hamilton yeah in addition to the murders of Christine Edie and Helen
00:52:55
Scott they were now even more convinced that he was involved in the unsolved murders of Anna Kenny Matilda McCauley
00:53:03
and Agnes Cooney um and as well as tons of other assaults I bet so Sinclair denied any connection
00:53:10
to Gordon Hamilton or the murdered girls just spent the interview sessions trying
00:53:15
to intimidate or like like assert dominance over the interviewer kind of thing dude you're in prison for the rest
00:53:21
of your life shut up and tell us what happened and when he couldn't intimidate them he quote according to Tom Wood he
00:53:27
used all sorts of a tricks to exasperate interviewing officials to the point where they lost any chance of obtaining
00:53:33
meaningful progress what a douchebag he was a steel trap he wouldn't say anything Angus Sinclair had spent nearly
00:53:39
three decades in a long-term very serious relationship with the justice system and he was essentially a
00:53:45
professional Criminal by the time investigators got to him in 2004 right so of course detectives were
00:53:51
unsuccessful in getting any useful information or even so much of a hint of emotion from him about it fortunately
00:53:58
they felt they had more than enough physical evidence to get a conviction and on January 26 2006 Angus Sinclair
00:54:06
was indicted for the murders of Christine Eady and Helen Scott good I'm glad he had to face the justice system
00:54:11
even because like you know when they're sometimes you're like are they gonna try
00:54:14
it or oh no they did and he entered no plea I didn't even know that was an option
00:54:19
yeah he just said no thank you the trial of Angus Sinclair for the murder of Christine and Helen began at the high
00:54:25
court in Edinburgh on August 27 2007. wow Sinclair of course he said he was innocent maintained his innocence
00:54:34
and lodged a special defense incriminating his brother-in-law Gordon Hamilton I thought you guys had no
00:54:40
connection yeah all of a sudden he knows the special defense said that if any sexual relations took place they did so
00:54:47
with consent [ __ ] right off so he was just trying to explain away the the semen found at the
00:54:53
scene he was like we had sex consensually crazy that you're in here though for uh rape and murder that's
00:54:59
weird and I love that he was like if if there's any any DNA found or any of me found there just know that it was
00:55:07
consensual it's like oh so you don't even know you're just like I'm just covering my bases here
00:55:12
now among the witnesses heard in the first few days of the trial was Helen's father who told the jury of being
00:55:17
informed of his daughter's death and Jackie Thompson who recounted the girls night out that
00:55:23
ended with her leaving her two friends at the bar apparently in the company of Sinclair in Hamilton
00:55:28
also on the witness stand was John Rafferty who was one of the police officers who'd seen Christine and Helen
00:55:34
with the two suspects outside the world's end according to Rafferty's testimony he'd been he'd been helping
00:55:40
Christine off the ground after she'd Fallen when he noticed a Shifty man watching him
00:55:46
he said I assumed he was with the girls so this was another police officer and he told the jury he wasn't making any
00:55:52
kind of eye contact he was looking away from me you get the impression when you're a police officer that some people
00:55:57
don't like police officers and the way this chap was looking at me he didn't like police officers yeah but now also
00:56:04
on the stand with Sinclair's now former wife Sarah I was hoping you were going to say that because you kept saying wife
00:56:10
and I was like she legally separated she was like bye [ __ ] good and she told the
00:56:13
jury she married her husband in 1970 and they had a pretty decent marriage she didn't have a lot of like she was like I
00:56:20
wasn't abused it wasn't like I did not expect you to say that she was like that's why she was like this really
00:56:26
[ __ ] me up as soon as you brought her up in my head I was like oh my God I can't imagine what that poor woman went
00:56:31
through according to her that's why she was so shocked right because she was like I this wasn't like oh I could see
00:56:36
him doing this but that's the thing that happens like yeah like btk's wife oh yeah like what there's plenty of them
00:56:42
it's so sad and it's so scary to think that that's how they walk them up yes they can just shape-shift so scary I
00:56:50
will but she also told the jury that her husband and brother Gordon would often go on weekend fishing trips in the
00:56:57
couple's Toyota hiace car and I think it's a caravanette which I've never seen it's like a caravan but like little but
00:57:05
a net um but he that was believed to be the vehicle that the girls were transported
00:57:10
in oh wow um but that vehicle had since been sold and scrapped huh now the investigators found what they
00:57:18
believed were fibers from the carabinet upholstery on Helen Scott's coat they didn't have it to match but they could
00:57:24
at least make a an assumption right but without an interior to match it too it was pretty circumstantial if even that
00:57:31
now the trial was moving along as expected and the prosecutor Alan McKay gave his closing remarks
00:57:39
and it was all thrown into turmoil on the 10th day the judge halted the proceedings and suddenly dismissed the
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charges citing insufficient evidence I'm sorry what in his statement judge Lord Clark said there was no forensic
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evidence to link the accused to the items used to kill the girls I'm not satisfied that the evidence relied on by
00:58:00
the crown can overcome that absence of crucial evidence like what about the semen though yep but remember he's
00:58:07
claiming we had consensual sex this [ __ ] is already convicted of rape and murder the decision
00:58:15
outrage to the families investigators prosecutors the prosecutors really thought they had
00:58:22
a strong case because they did I was just going to say because they [ __ ] did but because the jury was barred from
00:58:28
several key pieces of evidence including Sinclair's DNA on the ligature used to kill both women
00:58:35
the only remaining evidence was the semen and Sinclair claimed they had his consensual sexual encounter that does
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not prove I killed her except that your DNA is on the ligature they even brought
00:58:48
up and this is like pretty graphic but I think it's important to show you how [ __ ] up this is because they found
00:58:54
evidence in the autopsy of trauma sexual trauma absolutely I'm sure and they had
00:58:58
the [ __ ] nerve in this trial to be like well can you really say that that's rape or could it just be from oh they
00:59:05
use the rough the rough sense thing literally anybody that uses that defense go [ __ ] yourself yeah truly like
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honestly yeah from the bottom of my heart [ __ ] yourself truly but yeah they so they they barred a lot
00:59:18
of evidence the only one allowed was the one that Sinclair was claiming consensual you can't prove that I killed
00:59:23
her with that I'm unfortunately at its core yeah you can't prove that she that he
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killed her with with that piece of evidence if we're looking at it in a legal pinpointed thing but it's like yeah then
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why are we barring the evidence that shows that he killed her that was evidence on the ligature that's the
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thing we're relying on one piece of evidence when we have several you're allowing the piece of evidence in that
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says he was there at the very least and that something occurred barring the piece of evidence that clearly shows he
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killed her but I'm like what did you even have to gain from dismissing this case if anything it's like an outrage
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it's an outrage and by dismissing the charges against Sinclair the judge basically ensured that double jeopardy
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laws protected him from ever being held responsible for the deaths of Christine Edie and Helen Scott [ __ ] this judge so
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the decision by judge Lord Clark to return a verdict of no case to answer outraged literally everybody yeah but
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then everybody started blaming each other for the decision police officers were blaming the prosecutor the public
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blamed the police blaming each other I'm like blame that [ __ ] that's the judge he made the
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final call like you guys all worked up there because you guys all work together to get that evidence to get it into
01:00:45
trial he's the [ __ ] that says what what goes and what doesn't go [ __ ] him it's like you all did your job
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he didn't do him like do you have a daughter sir like can you imagine if they do you have a cousin do you have a
01:00:57
woman that you love in your life yep can you imagine so following the decision by the judge a
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spokesperson for the Lothian and borders police released a statement to the press
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and said there have been numerous reviews of the brutal murders of Christine Edie and Helen Scott over the
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past 30 years and we have always taken very careful steps to review all the evidence which have been kept since the
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bodies were found on October 16 1977. we put together a thorough and detailed case for the crown office to take to
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trial and today's announcement is disappointing to say the least the prosecutor's office
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responded with their own statement essentially claiming that the DNA evidence that links Sinclair to the
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ligatures was not collected or analyzed by forensic experts from the prosecutor's office and therefore a
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decision was made to exclude it from the evidence presented to the jury [ __ ] that
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they said the crown considered that there was sufficient evidence to indict Angus Sinclair for the appalling murders
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of Helen Scott and Christine Eady there's no doubt that he was involved in events which preceded the deaths of
01:02:00
these young women the purpose of the prosecution was to establish whether he was criminally involved in all trials
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the prosecutor has a duty continually to consider and review the available evidence with a view to deciding how
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best to proceed with the trial low copy low probability DNA evidence found on articles of underwear which have been
01:02:19
used to bind the victims was not led by the crown laying aside the evidence which was consistent with sexual contact
01:02:26
with the victims with consensual contact with the victims the crown was the of the view that there
01:02:33
was sufficient evidence on which to base a prosecution further given the basis upon which the judge approached
01:02:39
approached the evidence which was led we do not consider that this evidence relating as it did to items of underwear
01:02:45
worn by the deceased would have persuaded the judge that there was sufficiency so they're basically like yeah sure
01:02:51
now after 30 years of Investigation dedication grief horror nothing nightmares the family of Helen Scott and
01:03:00
Christine Eady were just robbed of Justice when the trial judge just dismissed the charges yeah while the
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decision was heart-shattering for anyone directly involved in the case it also brought up a lot more questions like how
01:03:14
Sinclair's very obvious guilt could be circumvented by illegal technicality and poor prosecutor prosecutorial
01:03:22
performance like what like it is obvious to literally anybody that he is guilty yeah but
01:03:32
because of a tiny little loophole we're just gonna say [ __ ] it whatever and they
01:03:37
don't feel like it's like the prosecutor the prosec the prosecutor's office is Fault like that just feels like the
01:03:43
judge was like nah sorry there was it was loopholes and it was like little [ __ ] ups that's like and I'm like dude
01:03:49
what do you have to gain number one this guy's in prison forever anyway so you're
01:03:53
not [ __ ] saving his life but because of this let me let me hear it the then cabinet secretary for justice
01:04:01
Kenny mccaskill sent the case against Sinclair to the Scottish law commission for review let's go Scottish law
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commission hell yeah after years of review and Analysis the commission produced tons of reports that directly
01:04:15
influenced the double jeopardy Act passed by Scottish parliament in 2011. among other things this act allowed for
01:04:24
the retrial of acquitted persons under circum certain circumstances particularly those relating to decisions
01:04:32
made in bad faith and questions of mishandled evidence yeah that one was made in bad faith they were like you [ __ ]
01:04:41
up so following the passage of the double jeopardy Act of 2011 the crown instructed Lothian and borders police to
01:04:49
reopen The World's End murder case [ __ ] yeah as if the other evidence they had
01:04:53
collected for three decades wasn't enough detectives discovered additional evidence that challenged Sinclair's
01:04:59
Alibi in the previous chapter including soil samples that placed Angus Sinclair at the sites
01:05:07
of both murders soil samples they went hard I love that they were like if semen samples don't work for you let's get
01:05:14
some [ __ ] soil samples maybe I'll get some air samples while I'm out I will get all the elements against you [ __ ]
01:05:22
go girl so this with the DNA found on the ligatures around the necks of Christine and Helen the soil disproved
01:05:29
Angus Sinclair's claim that he was fishing at the time of the death yeah go [ __ ] yourself there's soil in your shoes
01:05:35
and was nowhere near any murder scene based on this new evidence and now a much stronger case the crown was granted
01:05:42
permission to retry the case against Angus Sinclair I'm doing my gotcha dance so the second trial of Angus Sinclair
01:05:49
began October 13th 2014. oh my God at the high court in Livingston at this time Sinclair pleaded
01:05:58
not guilty to two counts of murder according to the defense submitted by declare Sinclair he was fishing on the
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bank of the river fourth somewhere near cockenzie Power Station when both my girls were murdered by his
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brother-in-law Gordon Hamilton doubt it as he done in the last trial he again claimed that he'd had consensual sex
01:06:18
with both girls [ __ ] right off this time the prosecutor Frank Mulholland he built a stronger case against
01:06:27
Sinclair that very different from the first trial included the damning DNA evidence that implicated Sinclair in
01:06:35
both murders the jury was also shown very graphic photographs taken at the time the bodies were discovered and were
01:06:41
given tours of both crime scenes and heard testimony from the experts and witnesses that it testified in the first
01:06:48
trial too wow and since it was seven years later after the first trial everyone's understanding of DNA was a
01:06:54
little more robust definitely in his testimony forensic scientist Martin Fairley told the jury that there was a
01:07:00
one in a billion chance DNA on the coat could have come from anyone other than the accused Angus Sinclair one in a
01:07:07
billion that'll sell it similarly forensic scientist Geraldine Davidson like good good for you Geraldine
01:07:13
forensic scientist let's go girl explain the process used to test the samples found on the bindings of both young
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women as being quote beyond anything you would normally do in a normal DNA test so she was like we went above and beyond
01:07:26
men yeah according to her the findings provide extremely strong support for the view that Gordon Hamilton and or Angus
01:07:33
Sinclair were involved in restraining and strangling both Helen Scott and Christine Eady rather than an unknown
01:07:39
and undetective individual in our opinion the findings are fitting with our range of expectations had Gordon
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Hamilton and Angus Sinclair been in contact with most if not all of the ligatures examined in this case wow
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on the final day of testimony Angus Sinclair took the stand to testify in his own defense like a little [ __ ]
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Sinclair told the jury that he and Hamilton had met the girls at the World's End pub and after last call the
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Ford drove to Sinclair include Sinclair's Toyota Kim whatever it is caravanette to Hollywood Park where they
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he had consensual sex with both girls doubt it then he left both young women with Hamilton and he wanted to go
01:08:20
fishing what you just went fishing in the middle of the [ __ ] night we are decades
01:08:26
later and you can't come up with something better than that gone fishing on cross-examination the prosecutor
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challenged this version of events saying two 17 year old girls taken somewhere they didn't want to go in the dark in
01:08:38
the back of a van with two strange men with sex on the mind they must have been terrified absolutely you didn't care
01:08:43
that they wanted to go home and in response to him Sinclair said no I just wanted to have sex ew go [ __ ] yourself
01:08:51
dude [ __ ] he's filthy yeah he literally filthy that's a perfect word for he is a filthy [ __ ] ugh otherwise he
01:09:00
stuck to that previous story he pinned the murders on his brother-in-law who is dead and can't face the charges and just
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that's it on November 14 2014 the jury deliberated for less than two hours and came back with a verdict of guilty hell
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yeah in sentence Angus Sinclair to life in prison with a minimum of 37 years and
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he was already in there for life if you told me anything else I would quite literally
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[ __ ] riot yeah it was a big relief to everybody it was a big relief to the family members of Edie and Scott the
01:09:32
detectives in a statement for to the Press former Jeopardy deputy chief Constable of the Lothian and borders
01:09:39
police Tom Woods said when it happened in 1977 it was like the Turning of a page they looked like young
01:09:46
women in their photographs but really they were little little more than children the nature of the crime and the
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brutality of their deaths meant that a real shock ran through Scotland people still remember it and have it as a point
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of reference as each generation came up they became infected with the determination to see this through the
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officers who have devoted themselves to the case will see this as a debt repaid you know what makes me so sad her
01:10:09
grandmother like went to her grade yeah and never never got to see Justice I hope wherever she is she knows that I
01:10:16
hope she knows her granddaughter was yeah like what happened you know it was at least like you know like justice was
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justice so Angus Sinclair was the first person to be retried and convicted with after the passage of the double jeopardy
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act and Frank Mulholland told reporters the day after Sinclair's conviction I can assure the public that there is now
01:10:35
no longer such a thing as a closed case in Scotland I love it just because the murder took place many years ago it is
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is no less important than the eyes of the prosecution service than one that took place last week good it was also
01:10:47
the longest sentence handed out by a Scottish court at that time wow in early 2019 Angus Sinclair suffered a bunch of
01:10:56
Strokes he ended up being bedridden and incontinent until his death on March 11th of that baby I am dancing in these
01:11:05
streets [ __ ] you angry with that guy at the time of his death he was serving life sentences for the murders of
01:11:11
Christine Edie Helen Scott and Mary Gallagher but police still suspect him of those other murders oh absolutely now
01:11:18
Helen's father Marine did he did pass away in 2015. so he did he was able to see a lot of this happen right um and he
01:11:27
was 85. he lived 85. but the year before his death in 2014 he said how anybody could do that to another human being I
01:11:35
sit at nights and I think well just what did she go through how did she suffer I
01:11:39
mean it's frightening I just remember remember Helen as she was and keep wondering where she would have been
01:11:44
today would she have been married would she have had a family would I have had grandchildren where'd she be living
01:11:49
that's so awful I hate that he had to spend the rest of his life thinking things like that but I'm so glad they
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finally got I mean my god when you got to like the part where they didn't I was like is this how this is gonna end and
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she gave me teresi tabasa and this I could not because I mean these families and and the detectives and investigators
01:12:09
in the case they all deserve to have this [ __ ] wrapped up in a bow at the end and I hate that it took that long I know
01:12:18
because for those families and those detectives because it really affected a lot of them they were all talking about
01:12:24
like this killed us everybody involved in it they all had to sit through it for decades and just have frustration and
01:12:33
brick wall and watch that [ __ ] get off the first time and those the first people that put it together to spend
01:12:39
that long doing that and then to get like like slapped in the face yes exactly but luckily it does eventually
01:12:46
have Justice in the end thank goodness and whatever for at least one of them what a like awesome way to get Justice
01:12:52
too with the the uh double jeopardy I know that that's the thing it's so like theatrical the way that it all came
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together I love that it all came together that way me too it was like Christine and Helen were like working
01:13:05
things yeah they were like making it happen hell yeah I mean they made [ __ ] happen in real like hell yeah on this
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plane exactly wow yeah that was wild so wild and I think um there was a few other cases mentioned in
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this case that Angus Sinclair was uh Associated thought to be a part of and it's definitely a part of and I'm going
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to look into those and see if we can do another episode talking about those ones
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because I want to make sure I can find some information about them but I think they I was interested to see what those
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were about yeah definitely yeah wow yeah well stay tuned for that hopefully and we hope you keep listening and we hope
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you keep it weird but not so weird that this [Music] don't keep it as weird as Angus
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