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Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is Morbid. This is Morbid. >> Hi everybody. Here we are. How's it
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hanging? >> It's hump day everybody. >> Hump day. I remember that was like an office
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culture thing. >> There was There was like a commercial. >> Yeah, that had a camel I think. It was a
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man who turned into a camel I believe. Oh, was? Maybe my brain made that up. >> the dark history of that. I thought it
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was just a camel. >> the man became a camel cuz he kept saying hump day. No? I I
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Deb is Deb Deb is shaking her head too. I don't know. I don't know about that. I'm going to Google that. I'm going to
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look at that. I think it was just him being like Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike. Wow. >> Yeah, I think he just became
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[ __ ] I thought I both were like, what? There's dark history behind this commercial. I I didn't think it was dark
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history. I just thought it was like >> becoming a camel. >> That's a bit. That's That's dark.
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>> bit. It's dark, man. I don't want to be a camel. >> bit. >> You know. Exactly.
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>> I thought I shouldn't know. You thought I guess. I don't know. There's There's a
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lot that I thought that's not real. I think >> There's a lot that I thought. >> the thought that I thunk that I think
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and I thunk. All right. So now that we figured that out everybody Yeah. I guess. He He began the commercial as a
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camel. He began and ended as a camel. >> Yeah. Uh we can get into what I do know.
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Oh man. >> Which is this case. >> Which is this case. >> I do know about this case.
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>> Also buy tickets to the Radio City Music Hall. Uh show. >> Oh honey, do that. Honey, just got to
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remind you, you know. Debby's teaching us to tap. It's one night only. >> You're not going to want to miss that.
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>> You're not going to want to miss that. I'm telling you. >> tap tap tap. It's one night only, babes.
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>> Got merch. One night only. >> Exclusive to the event. >> Do it. I thought you were going to say
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one night only again. >> One One night you were just everything I said. Even all the way through the case
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you're like One night only. only. Oh my god. Oh my god. >> But yeah, I had to get that in. And now
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we can get to our case. We're going to Everybody who gives the minute marker for when we shut the [ __ ] up and start
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talking about the case. This one was an easy one. This one was quick. It's right
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now. This one's quick. So we're talking about Tilly Klimek today. She is referred to as Mrs. Bluebeard of
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Chicago. >> Oh, excuse me. >> You do remember when we covered Mr. Bluebeard, correct? Yeah, himself. Yeah,
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he was killing all his brides. He sure was. >> can guess what Tilly was doing. She was
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killing all her men. Maybe. I feel. Well, here's the thing. We don't actually know much about Tilly Klimek's
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early life before she started killing all her men. Before she started the murdering. But yeah, the with the
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murdering that made her famous. But before all that, she was born By the way, there's a lot of Polish
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pronunciations in this. I'm literally married to a Polish man who has a Polish last name, so I'm going to do my best.
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And I did look all these up, but I'm not sure if I'm going to slay. I have complete faith in you. That's so nice.
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She says with a devilish grin. I have complete lol. I really do. I meant that. Thank you. Okay. That was really nice.
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Thank you. I appreciate it. She was born Otilia Gębik. Ooh. I like it. She just I wish you could have seen the the
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ooh face. She did like ooh. I hope I did it. She was born in Poland in 1876, some
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time ago. And she immigrated to the US with her parents, uh, Michael and Michalina Gębik. Ooh.
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When she was about 4 years old. So she was She ended up being raised in an area of Chicago known as Little Poland, where
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obviously a lot of other Polish immigrants were living. And because of that, she really didn't have to learn
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English for a long time. So, when she did eventually learn English, it wasn't like obviously it's not her first
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language, so it wasn't like super strong. Uh just keep that in mind for later. Imagine knowing several languages like
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well enough to have a conversation. >> I wish that I was better at languages than I am because I'd like to be like
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genuinely fluent in another language. >> in general. I said, "Can I talk to you?
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Can I just let something off my chest? I wish I was a better than I am." I was like, "Woah." I'm
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looking at the woman in the mirror. I'm asking her to change her ways. I love it. And learn another language.
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And learn another become bilingual. That's what we want. So, in 1890, when she was just 14 years old, Tilly married
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17-year-old Joseph Mitchevic. Yeah. >> Another Polish immigrant who had come to the US right around the same time as her
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family. Five years later, Tilly gave birth to a son that they named Joseph Jr., and her husband found work with the
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Illinois Central Railroad. Her first marriage is kind of mysterious. It's not as publicized as
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the ones that came next. And for whatever reason, it also lasted considerably longer than her following
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marriages. But, the relationship did come to an end with Joseph's unexpected death in
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January of 1914. Here it is. The coroner said, "Heart trouble." Oh. But, his death allowed Tilly to cash
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in on a $1,000 life insurance policy. Look at that. >> Once she did that, she wasted no time
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finding a new husband. Mhm. Now, at the time, his death didn't seem super suspicious. Chicago was a very
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fast-paced environment, and he was just just kind of a day-to-day guy, so his death really didn't make it onto that
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many people's radar. He also worked in a dangerous and stressful industry, so it
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wasn't that crazy that he died from heart trouble. Okay. And at that time, it wouldn't have been that unusual for
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Tilly to move on so quickly. She didn't have a job. She was a widow now with a child to care for. So, grief was a
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luxury that she could not afford for very long. >> Yeah, that is the That's the truth of
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the time. >> It is. Now, in February of 1914, just 1 month after Joseph's death, Tilly married
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Joseph Ruskowski. Uh but that marriage proved to be very short-lived. By May, he was dead. Oh.
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Yeah. January, February, March, April, 3 months. >> Holy [ __ ] >> Dead. And Tilly inherited his $1,200 in
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savings and $722 from an insurance policy. Altogether today, that would be like $63,000.
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>> Damn. Good chunk of change. Now, just like she had with her first husband's death, she did not waste much time on
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grieving. And within a few months, she had started up a new relationship uh using some of her latest inheritance to
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fund a vacation to Milwaukee. Oh. >> Such a luxurious place. >> Okay. Is that Cream City?
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So, is that what it is? Holy [ __ ] >> City. Wow. Yeah, sports. You know I saw we That actually [ __ ]
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me up the first time I saw that on their basketball court. >> me up. >> don't think it's always there. I I think
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it was a special thing. >> special. I guess. >> It was a special moment for Cream City.
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She went to Cream City with her new boyfriend, and that's not a euphemism. >> Holy [ __ ]
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So, it's pretty clear that her intention was to quickly win a marriage proposal from this man.
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>> Yeah. >> But unfortunately, >> You bring him there. >> Yeah, bring your man to Cream City.
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You're looking for a ring. >> Secure that marriage proposal, baby girl. Now, unfortunately, though, when she
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raised the subject of marriage, he laughed at her proposal of marriage, which is not nice.
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>> Very rude. And she was enraged. >> I would be. >> She said, "Take me seriously. By the
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way, contrary to popular belief, my previous two husbands didn't die of natural causes. I [ __ ] poisoned them.
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So, don't mess with me. Whoa. Like, I don't think that's going to help your case.
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>> Getting a man to marry you? Has that worked with anyone getting a marriage proposal?
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>> Let us know. Yeah, write in. >> We won't submit you to the authorities. No, not at all. So, she immediately
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realized that she had made a serious mistake in confessing to murder. Yeah. Not only was he now highly unlikely to
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marry her, but he was also likely to dial 911 and report an emergency. >> Yeah, about that. Yeah, so hoping to
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prevent the inevitable, Tilly threatened to report him to the authorities for violating the Mann Act, which was a 1910
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US law that criminalized the transportation of women across state lines for immoral purposes. Oh. I think
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they just call that sex trafficking now. Yeah. Yeah. Uh Gaskowski, in response, told her if she did that, he would tell
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the authorities that she was a murderess. And they're like, you know what? Let's
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go our separate ways. Yeah, the argument just kind of ended there. But, a few days after they returned home to
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Chicago, he died unexpectedly. Sir, did you eat something that she served? Might have.
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>> Cuz that's wild work. >> He might have. That's wild work. Yeah. Holy [ __ ] So, after the death of
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Gaskowski, Tilly didn't head straight out to find a new man this time. Instead, she just lived with a man known
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only by the last name of Myers. Hm. Uh during their time together, she would usually introduce herself as Mrs. Myers,
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even though they were not officially married. And she seemed to just be living off the money from the
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inheritances and all the insurance policies of her old husbands. Uh but, neighbors did recall a man
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living with her for at least some amount of time until he just vanished at the end of 1918. Maybe it was Michael Myers.
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Maybe. That's why he pissed. He peaced out. >> Yeah, that's why he's mad. He said, "I
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have a girl named Laurie back home. I got to go." Maybe. Maybe. So, this period of living as Mrs. Myers came to
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an end when Michael left, and in March of 1919, when Tilly married her third husband, Frank Kupchik.
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But, if the marriage was ever a happy one, it did not last very long. So, by this time the money from the
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inheritances and the insurances had probably run out, and that meant that Tilly had to get her ass a job. So, she
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started working at a local tailoring shop in order to support herself and her husband, her new husband. At the same
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time, neighbors started to notice that every day after her husband, Frank, went to work, another man that she only
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referred to as John would stop by the apartment to, quote, "Smooch Tilly on the porch." Oh. She would say
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>> was side smooching. >> This is scandalous-o. >> Yeah, [ __ ] >> Just stopping by for a smooch on the
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porch? >> Right after Frank leaves for work? Right on his porch? >> Damn. [ __ ] up. So, things carried on
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that way between Frank and Tilly Just smooching. >> and apparently John. Yeah. >> Yeah, for 2 years until one day in 1921
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when Frank became seriously ill. Now, to their neighbors, it seemed that his condition was dire, but Tilly was
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chilling. She did not seem alarmed in the slightest. >> It's a red flag. >> In fact, as far as they could tell, she
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almost seemed light-hearted about his illness. >> Wow. Years later, during her trial, her
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landlady, Martha Wasilewski, recalled one afternoon when Tilly, quote, "Came out in the yard with a piece of
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newspaper all about a fine coffin for $30 that she was going to get for Frank." Holy [ __ ] Can you imagine?
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>> No. She's just like advertising to the townspeople, like, "This is the coffin
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I'm going to get." >> $30 coffin. >> Not dead yet, but he will be. >> Damn. So, Wasilewski was uh horrified by
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how cavalier that she was being about Frank's very serious illness. According to the landlady, this was only one of
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many suspicions and callous statements made by Tilly at the time. Other neighbors also recalled her
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knitting a hat for herself that she said she was going to wear to Frank's funeral.
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She is planning for this like you plan for Coachella. >> Yeah. Like she's going to have the whole
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fit ready. Nice coffin. >> Show place to stay. Yep. Holy [ __ ] >> Yeah. I can't stop saying holy [ __ ]
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>> Holy [ __ ] She just doesn't give a [ __ ] >> Some people also remembered that she
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would just casually talk about how Frank only had {quote} 2 in to live. And like that he was going to be dead
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soon. I think it was >> That metric of measurement sounds like it doesn't fit here.
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>> It doesn't. I think that might have been a a language barrier thing. >> Oh, perhaps. So she was like
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what 2 seconds to live? I don't know. Yeah, who knows? I I mean but maybe maybe she made up a new saying. Either
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way not a not a lot of time to live. >> No, not a lot. So whether she was joking
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or not, it turned out that she was in fact correct about Frank's future. A few days later on April 25th, 1921, Frank
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Kupchik died in their apartment. >> Oh boy. During the funeral a few days later with Frank's body on display for
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mourners for mourners >> Mourners. That's hard to say. for mourners, Tilly played upbeat dance
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music on a record player. Holy [ __ ] Holy [ __ ] One night only. One night only she said. That's really
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[ __ ] up. One mourner recalled later that at one point during the funeral Tilly reached
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into the coffin and grabbed Frank's ear shouting, "You devil, you won't get up anymore." Oh my god.
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Yeah, she's nuts. I just can't imagine being a a I would be >> Like what do you do? What are you to do?
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What are you meant to do in this I think you just leave. I think you leave your well respects with Frank and you say you
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deserved better. >> Grab his ear and be like, "You devil, dead." Like, that's crazy.
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It is. It is, in fact. >> That's crazy work. >> Yeah, they were like, "Is she drunk?"
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Holy [ __ ] So, the next day after assaulting her husband's dead body, she collected $675,
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which would be like $11,000 today. >> Wow. >> Just about, uh, from his life insurance
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policy, and she set out to find herself a new husband. >> Yeah, cuz like she said, "You won't get
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up anymore." >> No. Like, my goodness, Tillie. I know. >> Poor Frank. So, everybody who knew her
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to that point knew that she was a very brash woman with a, uh, unusual sense of humor, you could say.
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But, even to those who knew her well, they had to admit that her attitude around Frank's death was suspicious and
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crass. >> Yeah. To the more superstitious among them, too, the fact that she seemed to
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have the ability to predict her husband's death was evidence of strong psychic ability.
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>> Oh, yeah. She Let's Let's call her a witch. >> They said, "She seems psychic." Or
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murderous. >> That's the thing. Others quietly gossiped about her potential involvement.
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>> Yeah, the realists among us. Could be a psychic, could be a homicidal. >> Could be psychic, could be a murderess.
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Real toss-up here. Yeah, especially with the way she's acting. Real toss-up. >> Yeah, you know. Yeah. Crazy gal. So,
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when it came to the neighborhood gossip, she provided more than enough material in the wake of Frank's death. When her
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previous relationships ended with the, uh, {quote} {unquote} untimely deaths of her husbands, she waited at
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least a few weeks before looking for a new man to get together with. >> Oh, good. This time, she didn't actually
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even wait until the end of the funeral before cosying up to the recently widowed Joseph Klimack, who was also a
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friend of Frank's and at the funeral. So, this man was at the funeral where she grabbed Frank's ear in the coffin
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and was like, "You devil, you're not getting up anymore." >> Yeah. >> And was playing like oontz oontz oontz
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oontz on the And he's like, "Yeah, this will be fun." Well, my goodness. That afternoon
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>> Joseph. I'm not sure what happened because that afternoon their interaction was said to be casual and short. So,
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maybe he stopped in after all the madness. >> Maybe. He said because he recalled later
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she felt too bad to see people. Yeah. So, maybe she had already left after causing that spectacle. They were
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like somebody was like we should get her out of here. Somebody was like you should go home. And Joseph was like, I
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don't know. He had to have seen her at some point. >> Because he was like she felt too bad to
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see people, but she did allow herself to be by him for a few weeks before agreeing to marry him. Wow. So, they
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they got to chat at the funeral and then they were like, let's get married in a few weeks.
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>> great. He later said that he married her for a nice home because she was a good
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cook and kept a clean space. At least there's that. Men are simple creatures. >> Yep. By the time they were married, he
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had already heard some of the rumors and gossip about her past with men and just
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her in general, but he didn't care and he didn't believe any of it. He said, "As soon as we married, she burned all
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the photographs of her husbands and her man friends and she tore up all her letters. She had my picture on the
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mantel. That was all." She He said, "No more man friends." No more man friends, just me on the mantel, babe. I'm your
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only man friend. One man friend for you, girl. >> Yeah. So, he might have believed that
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Tillie had changed her ways and was committed to him since his picture was on the mantel and all. Yeah. But survey
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said that was a lie. Within a few months Tillie was openly complaining about her
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marriage, especially to her cousin Nellie Kulick. According to Nellie, when she suggested that Tillie get a divorce
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if she was so unhappy, Tillie said, "No, I'll get rid of him some other way." Or just divorce him. You could just
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divorce him, but you won't get the life insurance in that case. Why the murder? Well, at the end of the year Tillie
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learned that Joseph had a $1,000 life insurance policy with the Catholic Order of Foresters.
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I don't know if that means that they're like Catholic tree people. Yeah, I was going to say that, you know what?
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They're known to have pretty solid life insurance policies, I think. >> Like oak. Yeah. Solid unlike bull. So,
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she insisted that this was not enough money and she said, "You need to increase that and also make me the
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beneficiary. I'm your wife now." >> Of course. And she said it was also important because she was in fact
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psychic like the townspeople had said. And she'd had a premonition that Joseph was going to die soon and if he did, she
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didn't want to be poor with him being gone. Imagine your your spouse saying that to you. Also like your new spouse.
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>> Yeah, and and now they're like, "You know, everybody thinks I'm psychic and I I did have a vision. You're going to
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die. >> Where you die. Oh. And I would like your money if that's the case. Like, what do
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you do? Yeah. In the days that followed, she would just walk around their house telling him, "You're pretty near dead
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now." Oh my god. And then she'd say, "Didn't I tell you? You're not going to live long." Oh.
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Scary. Tilly. Scary. He is the origin story of I think I'm going to die in this house.
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That's where that came from. Yeah. But guess what? He was brave. He declined to add any more coverage to his
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[ __ ] >> "I'm not dying in this house." And no, he said, "I don't think I'm going to die
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in this house." And he also made his son the beneficiary of the policy. What's that? Which then caused Tilly to take
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out two life insurance policies on him and accident insurance all in his name. The red flags are piling up. They're
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flagging. Yeah. >> The flags are flagging. They're blankets. So, once the the new policies
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were in place, Joseph's mysterious illnesses quickly followed. Oh. It started with quote, "Shooting pains in
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his arms and legs." Hm. And then his arms and legs became stiff and eventually numb. So, he was like
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basically paralyzed. >> His breath also started to smell strongly of garlic even though he wasn't
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eating very garlicky foods. >> Oh. Within a few days, his symptoms became so severe that he was paralyzed from the
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waist down. Oh my. And trigger warning for animal death. At the same time, two of his dogs also
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died from a mysterious illness after eating food scraps from his plate at the table.
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>> no. Is Is this arsenic? Could be. Okay. Good call. Was it the jarlic? It's the jarlic. So,
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Joseph had been seen by Tilly's doctor and had been given multiple prescriptions, but nothing seemed to be
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helping the pain or the numbness that he was experiencing. After Joseph suffered
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for several days, his brother John >> I just feel bad. >> I know, me too. After he was suffering, his brother John
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insisted that he needed to see a different doctor. He needed a second opinion. >> Yeah. And Tilly was like, "No."
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>> It's fine. >> "My doctor is the tits and I'm more than capable of caring for my husband." And
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she said, "I don't need help from a stranger." No way. And John said, "Hey, that's cool, but I'm not a stranger cuz
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he's my brother." Yeah. Like, "What girl?" Huh? So, he was like, "No, no, no, no, no. I'm arranging for a
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physician to look him over of my choosing." So, he hired Dr. P.T. Burns to check in
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on his brother. Burns took one look at Joseph and immediately, like Alena, recognized the
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telltale signs of arsenic poisoning. According to Burns, Climac showed every evidence of a slow poison, but to be
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sure, he returned later that afternoon to double-check the symptoms and that only convinced him further. Mhm. So, Dr.
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Burns had Joseph taken to the hospital where the other doctors predicted that he had, quote, This is wild.
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about an equal chance to live or die. That's literally the worst thing I can imagine hearing out of a doctor's
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office. >> No, like imagine Even though that's kind of like life. Yeah, that that does have
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I'm sure many people have heard that. >> why? Why did you need a medical degree to
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tell me that? I feel like that's just every day. We roll the dice. Do you know about coin tosses?
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>> Yeah. Pick heads or tails. >> that's basically where you are. Your life is a penny. Like, isn't that where
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all of us are? Yeah. >> Equal chances to live or die. Yeah, pretty much. So, once he'd been removed
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from the house, Dr. Burns checked in with the attending doctor and got a list of all the prescriptions that Joseph had
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been given because medicine did contain arsenic back then. Yeah, remember? Arsenic was everywhere. Exactly.
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Literally, it was in cosmetics, like all that [ __ ] So, he was like, "Okay, maybe
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that's the case here. Like, maybe one of your medicines has arsenic in it and you're like overdoing it or something
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like that." So, he took all of the medications to a chemist, Dr. William McNally, who tested each individual
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medication and confirmed that all of them showed evidence of arsenic. Oh. But, they weren't supposed to. Oh.
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>> They weren't medicines that were supposed to have arsenic included amongst the ingredients. So, that meant
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that somebody had intentionally poisoned him. My, how the turns have tabled. >> Yeah, it's so crazy. We didn't see this
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coming. What? I can't believe she She was putting arsenic in his medications? >> I think.
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>> Probably because she knows they're all getting suspicious of eating her food.
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>> Yeah, probably. >> So, she's like, "Well, I They're not going to be suspicious of their meds."
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>> I think it may have been a mixture of both, to be honest with you. >> Damn. So, Burns reported his findings
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and all of the results of the chemical analysis to police, conveying to them that he suspected Tilly of poisoning her
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husband. >> Wow. They reviewed the evidence and everything that they had already started
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to hear about Tilly in years past. In October 26th, 1922, detectives not only arrested Tilly, but her 26-year-old son,
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Joseph, at their home. >> Oh. The announcement of Tilly's arrest in the newspapers seemed to kind of break a
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dam on local gossip. >> Oh, no. And within hours, investigators were receiving anonymous letters just
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like in tons. So, they were like, "Please exhume all of the bodies of her previous husbands and examine them for
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signs of poisoning." >> going down, for real. Yeah, it's going down, for real, Tilly.
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In their search of her apartment or their apartment together, investigators discovered a bottle of arsenic labeled
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Rough on Rats. Rough on Rats. >> And Tilly's son said, "That belonged to a former nurse who lived with us the
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previous year." Like that's that's not ours. It's just here. I also love that it's like it's rat poison essentially
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and he's like, "Oh no, a nurse lived here." Cuz nurses use arsenic and you're like, "Babe,
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that's rat poison." Like you didn't need to throw the nurse in there. >> No. Just say that belonged to a previous
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owner. Or just say like, "Yeah, we have that cuz we had a rat problem." >> rat poison. Like He's like, "No, that
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was a nurse." It's like, "Not ours. Wasn't me." Definitely medical. At the station, Tilly was relentlessly
00:23:43
questioned by detectives and now the state's attorney who suspected her not just of attempted murder, but of
00:23:48
multiple murders at this point. >> They demanded to know how it was that the two dogs who had eaten from Joseph's
00:23:54
plate also came to die. >> Yeah. And she insisted, "They just fell over and died. You can't make me a
00:24:00
poisoner. I'll show you that my first husband had an infection in his throat." I'll show you?
00:24:06
Thank you. Thank you so much. Do you have his throat, man? Well, what is that? >> his larynx?
00:24:13
>> Like what is going on? >> know if she just meant like, "I'll take you to the doctor that
00:24:17
>> I'll show you." But also her first husband died of heart problems. Oops. Yeah.
00:24:23
So, what? >> Oops. What was that, baby? She's like, "Did you lose track of husbands?"
00:24:26
>> His throat hurt, too. So, while she was at the police station claiming innocence, Joseph, her husband, was at
00:24:31
the hospital telling police a very different story. According to him, he had been examined by a doctor a few
00:24:37
weeks earlier after his wife took out a new life insurance policy and he immediately fell ill. He said, "A week
00:24:43
or two later after the examination, I found I couldn't smoke anymore. Oh no. One day my soup tasted strange. Another
00:24:49
time the coffee was funny. Then I began to get sick. I seemed to be burning up. I'm afraid someone poisoned me in a
00:24:55
plot." In a plot? >> In a plot they poisoned me. In a plot? He wouldn't name Tilly outright, but it
00:25:00
was pretty clear to the detectives that if anybody had poisoned this guy, it would have to be somebody who had access
00:25:05
to his food and like his personal belongings. >> There was nobody else in the house who
00:25:10
stood to gain more from Joseph's death either than his wife, and she did seem to have a history of men dying around
00:25:16
her not long after getting married. >> And acted crazy at their funerals. >> She yeah, that was that was pretty wild.
00:25:24
That was her that's that's just Tilly. Yeah, that's just Tilly things. So at the precinct, investigators confronted
00:25:29
Tilly with all of the evidence and their theory. They're like, "Hey, you know how
00:25:33
like you have this string of husbands that turns up dead and now like your current husband is on the precipice of
00:25:38
death, you know, 50/50 give or take." It's weird. We think you might have something to do with that.
00:25:43
>> Yeah, strange. And she broke down and confessed that she tried to poison Joseph because he was {quote} "fooling
00:25:50
around with other women." Oh, no. It's like, "Baby, even if that's the case, you can't try to poison him." And like
00:25:56
that they're not going to understand that. >> Yeah, just let him let him be a fool.
00:26:00
Now to add even more salaciousness to this, according to Tilly, she received the poison from her cousin Nellie.
00:26:08
Oh. And she said she started putting it in her husband's food after he was examined for the life insurance policy.
00:26:14
>> Oh. A few days later, the coroner exhumed Fred Kuc Chick's body for analysis. I think I believe that was her
00:26:20
first husband. And discovered that his remains still contained arsenic enough to kill four men. Holy [ __ ] Yeah. It
00:26:28
hadn't even degraded, that's how much it was? Damn. Which also like obviously some of it probably had degraded and
00:26:34
there was still enough >> that high. to kill four men. >> Yeah. At the same time, the case
00:26:39
appeared to expand with the arrest now of Tilly's cousin Nellie who was also suspected of murder.
00:26:45
>> Nellie and Tilly. Just like her cousin Tilly, a surprising number of people around Nellie seemed to have fallen ill
00:26:51
or died from mysterious causes, including her late husband, who was uh Wojciech Stummer.
00:26:58
I would never suspect Nelly and Tilly I know. >> people. Well, that's the thing. Nobody
00:27:02
did for a while. Until You can only murder so many people until people start to like And literally people that you
00:27:09
are really connected to. Yeah. Constantly. Like the most connected to. >> you stand to gain financially from
00:27:15
murdering. Yeah, you got to It's good that they weren't undercover. >> that, that's going to catch up with you.
00:27:20
And it did. One of the notes that police received after Tilly's arrest indicated
00:27:24
that Nelly's husband had in fact been poisoned by her. Oh, boy. And initially, the note wasn't given a lot of
00:27:30
attention, but once they learned that Tilly got the poison from her cousin, that's when they started to look at her
00:27:35
as an accomplice. >> "Wait a minute." So, the arrest of Nelly caused a sensation among the press, who
00:27:40
immediately started to speculate about her being a second Mrs. Bluebeard. >> god. In 1920 Chicago, it wouldn't have
00:27:47
been that surprising for a woman to kill her husband, which is crazy. Especially if she thought he was
00:27:52
cheating. >> I know. Especially if she thought he was cheating on her with another woman.
00:27:55
Apparently, that was like an epidemic. >> Dang. But two women seemingly working together to murder their husbands for
00:28:01
money, that was a good story. That is a good story. >> as the press were concerned, that's a
00:28:05
that's good [ __ ] It's going to pay the bills. Sell the tapes. So, each day the story seemed to get
00:28:11
more and more sensationalized. Just one day after Nelly's arrest, investigators announced that they were exhuming the
00:28:16
bodies of each woman's first husband to search for signs of poisoning. >> This is very salacious.
00:28:21
>> It is. And since Nelly's husband died 1 year before Tilly's first husband, the
00:28:26
press speculated that Tilly, quote, may have been a student of Mrs. Stummer. Oh my goodness. So, they were like, "Fuck,
00:28:33
is Nelly like the OG Mrs. Bluebeard?" >> And then the student surpasses the teacher? Yeah.
00:28:37
>> Damn. >> In in a series of events that we really >> Yeah. A series of four very unfortunate
00:28:42
events. >> Lemony Snicket. Yeah. So, the discovery of of in the remains of two, now, of
00:28:47
Tilly's dead husbands >> prompted police to expand their potential victim pool, and they started
00:28:52
taking the claims and assertions previously regarded as gossip seriously now. >> to. For example, Harry Sweda, one of
00:29:00
Tilly's cousins, told the attorney general that his sister, who also would have been Tilly's cousin, Uh-oh. uh his
00:29:06
sister, Rose, died mysteriously after attending a dinner at Tilly's apartment. And here I am
00:29:13
overcooking my chicken Yeah. to hell Don't do that. >> because I'm scared of giving someone a
00:29:18
tummy ache. I know. I know you take chicken precautions super seriously. >> and this woman, you come to her house,
00:29:25
you might die. You might. In fact, die, especially if she doesn't like you. Damn. Uh another cousin, Elizabeth
00:29:31
Ventchavsky, told investigators about the unexpected death of two of her sisters and a brother, all of whom had
00:29:38
dined with Tilly shortly before they died. What the actual [ __ ] Yeah. How many people has she murdered?
00:29:46
The thing is, we're not sure. >> The limit does not exist. >> Period. >> Yeah. Yeah, there's actually no period
00:29:52
as far as Tilly's concerned. >> It's an ellipsis. A many. >> Yeah. >> There's a series of ellipses.
00:29:58
>> Yeah. With each new claim came a new order to exhume another body, and soon Dr. McNally, the coroner, was completely
00:30:05
overwhelmed by requests for analysis of so many different remains. >> So, despite their strong suspicions that
00:30:11
there were, in fact, other victims, the state attorney's office only had Tilly's
00:30:15
confession to the attempted poisoning of her current husband, which obviously obviously was not a murder cuz he's
00:30:20
still alive. But, there was a strong enough case to prosecute her for the murder of I was
00:30:25
incorrect her third husband. Originally, I thought that was her first. >> Oh my goodness.
00:30:29
>> There's so many of them. Her third husband, Frank Kupchik. Damn. So, he was the one who she had put enough arsenic
00:30:36
to kill four men. >> men, at least. Now, on November 11th, 1922, Tilly was formally charged with Frank's murder,
00:30:43
and she pleaded not guilty. At the same time, Nellie was charged with the murder of her husband, Wojciech
00:30:49
Stürmer. In the meantime, investigators just continued to dig into their past, looking for even more potential victims.
00:30:55
>> Yeah. After their arraignment, the Mrs. Bluebeard story seemed to grow even larger, at least as far as the press was
00:31:01
concerned. Just one day after Tilly and Nellie appeared in court, the papers were announcing the discovery of even
00:31:07
more potential victims, >> Holy [ __ ] including Tilly's former husband, Joseph Ruskowski, and this is
00:31:13
horrible, two of Nellie's children, both of whom died in infancy. >> Holy [ __ ] Yeah.
00:31:20
Now, there was no evidence of foul play, but the press did imply that six of Nellie's children had died under
00:31:26
mysterious circumstances. >> What? And they started comparing her and Tilly to Belle Gunness. Oh my god, I was
00:31:34
I was wondering if that was going to be a comparison. >> Yeah. We haven't done I think is it
00:31:39
Gunness or Gunness? It might be Gunness. >> it might be Gunness. I'm not positive,
00:31:43
but Yeah, we'll we will cover that I think eventually cuz a lot of people know about that case and it is highly
00:31:49
requested. It's a terrible one. >> She just kills like all of her children, right? And like legit babies.
00:31:54
>> Yeah, she's pretty terrible, but she but her story is unbelievable. Ah, well, in
00:31:59
the worst way. Do you remember that old show, I don't know if it was on ID, Killer Women?
00:32:04
>> Yeah. And that was the first time I ever saw that. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah, that's how I saw that case. Damn.
00:32:10
Um so, she was famous because she had been arrested a a decade earlier, which is crazy to think that was a decade
00:32:15
before all of this. >> Now, the claims were given credibility when Nellie's husband's body was
00:32:20
exhumed, and his remains were found to contain traces of arsenic. >> Oh, damn. >> So, she's in on this. She's in on the
00:32:26
spree. With each day that passed, Tilly and Nellie's suspected body count just continued to increase, and came to
00:32:33
include former husbands, family members, neighbors, pretty much anyone who died while under their care, or anyone who
00:32:41
had been recently in the company of either woman. >> Holy [ __ ] By mid-November, the
00:32:45
suspected number of victims had risen to 20 people, and that was just as they were indicted by a grand jury.
00:32:52
>> Wow. Their trial was scheduled for winter 1923, and in the meantime, investigators just continued to build
00:32:57
their case, and the press continued their daily coverage of every sensational aspect of the story that
00:33:03
they could come up with. Which they didn't even really have to come up with much. It was all just there for them.
00:33:08
>> there. The intense press coverage made Tilly kind of a celebrity, and she gave
00:33:12
interviews from her jail cell. I know. I hate that part of murder investigations
00:33:18
and trials and everything. >> that they're like giving interviews and [ __ ] >> The accused definitely do start to
00:33:22
become like weird celebrities. >> Yeah. But she commented on everything from previous relationships with men to
00:33:28
her opinions on young people, and even the rising popularity of flappers. Babe, no one should hear your opinion on
00:33:35
young people, or your opinion on flappers. Or your relationships with men. Yeah, I definitely don't want to
00:33:41
hear that. >> No. We know your relationships with men. Exactly. She told one reporter, "Me, I
00:33:46
came to this country when I was a year old from Germany. No foolishness with us. We work." Basically indicating that
00:33:52
she didn't think young people worked anymore. >> Oh, damn. Okay. I know, she was mad.
00:33:56
However, when it came to the actual charges against her, she didn't really say very much, and she just wasn't
00:34:03
interested in talking about it. >> Super like, whatever. >> Yeah, very superficial about it all.
00:34:08
Now, if she appeared calm and collected when it came to the press, Nellie was the exact opposite. Whenever she gave
00:34:14
statements to the press, she seemed very anxious, very overly emotional. She once
00:34:18
begged a reporter, "Write to my children. Write to my people. Tell them not to believe all they hear."
00:34:24
Now, to spectators following the case, Tilly was exactly the type of woman who seemed as at home in a jail cell as she
00:34:30
did in her own apartment. She didn't give a [ __ ] >> Tillie was made for this life.
00:34:34
>> She literally was, but Nelly was out of place. Like, she was losing her mind.
00:34:39
>> Yeah. By the end of November, investigators announced that they were searching for a third potential
00:34:44
conspirator in the case. >> My goodness. Nelly's current friend and former boarder, Mary Wojcikowski.
00:34:50
According to the press, Wojcikowski's husband and his brother both died, {quote} after drinking beer at a party
00:34:56
at which Miss Kulick was present, and they believed the death was due to arsenic.
00:35:01
How much arsenic did these women have? Arsenic was just like, I think like CVS had arsenic back
00:35:08
>> God damn. It was just like, go down the street and grab some arsenic. >> Yeah.
00:35:12
And also, I guess you could just buy rat poison. Yeah, there's that. Oi. Oi. Now,
00:35:17
additional arrests were made. Nelly's sister was arrested and her niece was arrested on suspicion of murder. Just a
00:35:25
group of gals. The press started referring to the women as the Bluebeard click. Woah.
00:35:30
>> And they called Tillie the high priestess of the group. >> Get the [ __ ] out of here.
00:35:33
>> I was like, don't call her the high priestess. That's so like, [ __ ] you. I don't know. So, you're mixing your
00:35:38
references here. It just doesn't make sense. >> Yeah, you Don't overegg the pudding.
00:35:42
>> Yeah. Tillie finally went on trial in early March of 1923 with Assistant States Attorney William McLaughlin
00:35:49
prosecuting. >> McLaughlin? I always think of John when I hear that name. By then, they all as a
00:35:53
group had been indicted on six murders. Wow. In his opening statement, McLaughlin presented the case the
00:35:58
state's case in simple terms. He said the two women had planned and carried out a wholesale poison plot, which
00:36:04
claimed at least six lives and caused serious illness to nearly a score more. Wow. And he said they did this through a
00:36:10
series of poison parties. >> Poison parties. >> And that their motives ranged from
00:36:14
financial gain to ridding themselves of anyone they disliked. Poison parties. >> Poison parties. Like
00:36:21
like a Tupperware party. Holy [ __ ] >> Or a Botox party. Wow. Yeah. After listing out all the names of those
00:36:29
believed to have been killed by the pair and those also made ill, McLaughlin announced that if convicted, they would
00:36:35
be seeking the death penalty. Damn. >> Which was not That didn't happen all that often.
00:36:40
>> with women. >> No. So, over the course of the week-long trial, witnesses included six
00:36:44
physicians, a chemist, four nurses, and several insurance agents, as you can imagine, who all testified against the
00:36:50
accused. By far the most entertaining were a trio of grave diggers and an undertaker,
00:36:57
who were all neighbors of Tilly and her husband around the time of his death. What?
00:37:02
One of the undertakers told the jury, "Frank used to leave for work every day at 6:00, and I'd often see John Cowski
00:37:08
come over to visit Tilly. Once I seen him kiss her." So, they're like, here we go talking
00:37:13
about John coming for the smooches. They said, "She's a trollop." They said, "She
00:37:17
be smooching." One thing about Tilly, don't let anyone She stays smooching John.
00:37:23
>> It's It's always John. She's got a thing for him. Now, the most compelling evidence came
00:37:28
from the doctors and nurses who were actively still treating Joseph Klymac, who was still too ill to testify against
00:37:34
his wife at that point. >> Did we all forget he's still alive? >> He's still alive. According to nurse
00:37:40
Mildred Scully, Yep. who I would trust with my [ __ ] life, >> Yep, same. >> and who had been treating Joseph while
00:37:46
he was still in the home, Tilly routinely made tasteless jokes about her husband's impending death, and on one
00:37:52
occasion told the nurse, "If he makes any trouble for you, take a 2x4 board and hit him over the head with it." So,
00:37:57
here's the thing. That's funny as hell. >> Yeah. And if she wasn't a mass murderer,
00:38:04
that like a serial killer, I'd be like, that's just regular like you've been married and you're trying to be funny
00:38:10
when your husband's like in a really shitty position. >> But then you look at it in context.
00:38:14
>> But then you look at it like she's a serial killer and actually does harm people, you're like, oh, that's the
00:38:18
scariest thing I've ever heard cuz she's actually telling you to do that. Yeah. But like you could see some like you
00:38:25
know, feisty lady I guarantee you all just giving you trouble just hit them with a 2 by 4. Like that would be funny.
00:38:31
>> I guarantee you at least 14 people listening their nanas have said that about their partners.
00:38:36
>> 100% as like a total joke. But you're looking at it here and you're like oh. Oh [ __ ] she meant it.
00:38:41
>> That's dark side. >> She meant it and she said the 2 by 4's right there. She said do it.
00:38:46
>> Sinister. So apparently she smiled too during the trial when Mildred was testifying about
00:38:51
that. And everybody in the jury was like she's smiling over there. >> there being like that was a good joke.
00:38:56
She's like she's like me. She finds this is the only way we're similar. She finds
00:39:00
she cracks herself up. >> Yeah. No one finds Tilly funnier than Tilly. And no one finds Ash funnier than
00:39:06
Ash. I crack myself up. >> He does. I love it. So for the most part Tilly sat emotionless behind the defendant's table
00:39:13
while each witness as they came one by one testified against her. She did become emotional when the
00:39:19
chemist Dr. William McNally took the stand interestingly. When he entered the witness box the
00:39:25
press noted that Tilly quote jammed her stocky body well back in the chair and swung her feet in incessant circles as
00:39:31
she tried to understand the testimony. Love how they had to throw in stocky there. Not only if you actually like let
00:39:38
me read that for you one more time. Jammed her stocky body well into the chair and swung her feet in incessant
00:39:43
circles as she tried to understand the testimony. They said that [ __ ] is stocky and dumb.
00:39:49
She's blocky and dumb. >> That's really [ __ ] rude. They said she's a Minecraft character and she's
00:39:55
dumb. Not a Minecraft character. Like woah. No, she seemed anxious when she was a Minecraft chemical character as
00:40:04
the chemist explained in plain detail all of the symptoms about arsenic poisoning and confirmed that all three
00:40:10
of Tilly's dead husbands had in fact been poisoned. Despite the compelling body of evidence
00:40:14
and all the testimony against her she still proved to be a pretty strong witness when she took the stand in her
00:40:20
own defense as well. Which is much like um Joseph's, he could live or he could die.
00:40:25
>> Yeah. Taking your own Taking the stand in your own defense, you could live or
00:40:28
you could die. >> Dressed in plain black attire with a translator by her side, she strongly and
00:40:34
repeatedly denied killing anyone including her husband Frank Kupchik. When asked directly whether she was
00:40:39
responsible for Frank's death, she replied, "I certainly was not. He died by moonshine."
00:40:45
Oh. I don't know if she meant the drink. The drink. I'm assuming she meant the drink.
00:40:49
>> Cuz she That was the one where she said his throat, too. >> Yeah. So, who Who knows?
00:40:54
>> Now, as for any marital troubles or affairs, she dismissed that as nothing more than gossip. She told the jury, "I
00:40:59
loved them. They loved me. They just died same as other people. I'm not responsible for that. I could not help
00:41:05
if they wanted to die." Uh Why are we assuming they wanted to die now? That's the thing. I was like, Well, I
00:41:13
mean, these were young men. Like they weren't old. >> Yeah. And like they didn't They didn't
00:41:18
die by like you know, like that suicide was not considered here. >> that she's like, "I It's not my fault
00:41:25
that they they like just chose not to get better." Like literally, that's exactly what she said.
00:41:30
>> Sorry you chose to get sick. Ooh. Your fault. >> Weird. Like what the [ __ ] Tilly?
00:41:35
>> Yeah, she didn't give a [ __ ] Now, the press was actually impressed with her
00:41:38
calm demeanor and her ability to maintain composure. Yeah, is the press okay? No, never.
00:41:44
But ultimately, the jury was less convinced. In the end, the evidence against Tilly was much too damning and
00:41:49
the prosecution was convincing. So, on March 13th, after just an hour of deliberation, the jury found Tilly
00:41:55
guilty for the murder of Frank Kupchik. When the verdict was read, she didn't show any emotion at all and she quote
00:42:01
sat so still she made her neighbors wiggle uncomfortably. Ew. I know. Fortunately for Tilly, the jury could
00:42:08
not bring themselves to sentence a woman to death. So, they >> recommended life in prison.
00:42:13
On her way back to her cell after the trial, her only response to the crowd of reporters outside was to talk about how
00:42:20
warm it was in the courthouse. Damn. It's warm in there. That's cold-blooded. >> Yeah. Now,
00:42:27
as she was led from the courtroom, she was also met with the cheers of her female supporters in the court who
00:42:34
shouted, "Never mind, Tilly. Don't forget there's a new motion for a new trial for a week from Saturday. Cheer
00:42:41
up." Wow. Babe, they exhumed the three bodies of her three husbands that all contained so
00:42:50
much arsenic it could blow your [ __ ] skirt up. Like, god damn. Could blow your skirt into another galaxy.
00:42:59
>> Literally. Forget the Milky Way, babe. What the And you're like, "Don't worry, girl.
00:43:05
Don't get down on yourself." Cheer up. All smiles, Tilly. It's all up from here. No, it's It's down from here.
00:43:13
She's going to jail. Oh, lord. >> Now, Nelly's trial was repeatedly delayed for more than a year while she
00:43:19
sat in the jail cell. But on November 8th, 1923, a jury found her not guilty and she was free to go.
00:43:26
What? Mind you, they exhumed her husband's body and there was arsenic in it. He had the arsenic. Yeah.
00:43:31
I wonder if they thought that Tilly did it. Maybe. Now, in the weeks and months after
00:43:36
Tilly's trial, there was a lot of talk about the fact that several other Chicago women had been acquitted on
00:43:41
murder charges and Tilly was very quickly convicted. Some members of the press and public speculated that her
00:43:46
conviction was due to her lacking physical attraction. Woah. >> They said, "I think you convicted her
00:43:53
cuz she's ugly." I'm not saying she's ugly, but that's what they said. >> That's what they said.
00:43:56
>> And they pointed to the repeated unkind descriptions of her throughout the trial.
00:44:01
Mostly male journalists pushed back on that complaint. One journalist wrote, "There's no good reason to believe that
00:44:06
they would have acquitted her had she been other than homely. The evidence showed that she was guilty of
00:44:11
deliberately planning the death of at least one man and probably a dozen more. >> I mean, valid. Calling someone homely is
00:44:17
so Homely is homely? >> diabolical. It's That's down dirty. >> Yeah, it really is.
00:44:23
>> Too much. Now, once she settled into life in prison, she was kind of thriving in there. Yeah,
00:44:29
I think she was meant for that life. >> She was in fact meant for that life. She
00:44:32
was a model prisoner. She found work sewing American flags for other prison institutions.
00:44:37
>> Wow. She had a bunch of homies in there. >> Okay. Uh staff loved her. She didn't
00:44:43
pose any problems at all. And then on November 20th, 1936, she died of heart disease at Dwight prison and she was 64.
00:44:52
That's young. Yeah. Wow, Tilly. Isn't that one of the wildest stories? Tilly raged. She raged.
00:45:01
She was really the high priestess of arsenic poisoning. >> Yeah, she raged through life.
00:45:06
Yeah, forget dancing through life. Yeah, she was not Tilly. No. She was never meant for that.
00:45:11
>> Never. Holy [ __ ] And Joseph lived, that's nice. >> Oh, Joseph lived. I didn't think of
00:45:16
that, yeah. So, he lived. I mean, that's rough. Rough existence after that, but >> Yeah.
00:45:21
I don't know what the long-term effects of arsenic poisoning are. >> Do you have a
00:45:26
Do you have a fun fact? >> was a crazy story and yes, I do have a fun fact. Don't forget a fun fact. This is thanks
00:45:33
to Mikey. Mikey gave me this fun fact. >> Orcas are a natural predator of moose.
00:45:42
How? They can dive to eat seaweed. Moose can. Moose? And orcas are documented natural
00:45:50
predators of moose in coastal Alaska and Canada. They attack them when they swim
00:45:55
between islands or along shorelines. Wow. I don't know how fun that is, but it's mind-blowing.
00:46:03
>> love moose. So, now I have street beef with orcas. You actually can't really have street
00:46:11
beef with them. >> I have ocean beef with orcas. >> You have aquatic beef. >> Yeah, I have marine beef.
00:46:17
>> Marine beef? Not Oh, that's perfect. Marine beef. I have marine beef. Why does that sound disgusting?
00:46:25
I was just I just pictured soggy hamburgers. It's marine beef. >> Not marine beef. Yeah, I have marine
00:46:31
beef with orcas now, so but that's fine because I don't go to the ocean, so We're going to go unpack that. But, I'm
00:46:38
really worried about moose. So, that's that's how I feel, and >> Is What is the plural of moose? Mooses?
00:46:45
Meeces? >> Mooses? I think it's moose. Moo- I don't like that. It doesn't feel correct.
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>> that group of moose over there. >> Yeah, that sounds so wrong. >> know if I'm right. I think you are.
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But, I don't like it. of moose. Moose. Hate it. I have to unpack that now, too. We have
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a lot to unpack. It says correct. I saw three moose. Incorrect. I saw three mooses or three meeces.
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Nah, meeces is better. >> Or three meese. Meeces. Yeah, mooses. Apparently, did not evolve from Old
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English, and that's why we didn't get a plural. Oh. So, that's another fun fact.
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Look at you. You're so fun. Look at you. You're so Look at that. All right. Well, we hope
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you keep listening. We hope you >> keep it weird. But, not so weird that you spend several
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days thinking about the plural of moose. Just be moose. It's moose. Think about it.
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Maybe keep it though. Keep it weird. Moose. >> Mhm.