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[Music] [Applause] [Music] Hey weirdos. I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is super duper dreamy. Morbid.
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>> Woo. >> We're dreaming. It >> feels nice. >> It does. I I'm going to go to sleep.
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>> Honestly, I'm I'm I'm sitting here being lulled. >> Yeah. Very much lulled into sleep right
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now. >> Yeah. Me and Alina have had a very long few days. >> Yeah, we've had some family stuff
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happening that's been a little rough, overwhelming, but here we are. We're here and this feels so calm and
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beautiful that it's like >> I'm like just looking around at all the stars. We have one of those like
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nightlight things. >> Yeah. >> I feel like >> this is my kids nightlight though.
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>> Remember in VPR when they all made fun of I mean Raquel sucks, but remember when they made fun of her though for her
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starlight? >> And that's not If you're going to make fun of her for something, I mean, don't
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make fun of anybody ever. >> Don't do that. That's not nice. Anyway, just ignore people you don't like. But
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>> don't make fun of somebody for a starlight. >> Starlight are magnificent. >> Here's the thing. Starlights are
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gangster. >> They are gangster. >> This feels good. >> I feel awesome. >> Yeah, I'm saying.
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>> So, we decided um in case you couldn't tell that this is going to be like sleepover themed because, you know,
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we're moving to a new house. Oh, also um we have our phone volumes on. We're going to do our best to kind of like cut
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the noises out, but we do have some stuff going on that our phone volumes need to be on.
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>> Yeah. We just need to make sure we know if a call is coming through. >> Again, it's not like us just being like,
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I need I need a call to come through. Like um my mom's in the hospital, so we need to make sure that we have our
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>> That's my grandma. So >> um so yeah. So hopefully that doesn't annoy you too much. And if it does, I
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kind of don't care. >> If it does, you suck. >> Yeah, exactly. Um but yeah, so we wanted
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to have another sleepover. We haven't done a sleepover edition in a little while.
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>> No. And I mean, we're going to a new home at Sirius. >> So, we figured in this old house, we
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might as well, you know, end it on a sleepover. >> Yeah. End it on a sleepover note.
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>> We've been in this house a long time. >> Yeah. So, one last sleepover to Yeah.
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before we leave. >> Yeah. Before Before you kick that door closed and and on to the next
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>> on to the next door, you know. So without further ado, I think Elena was going to read the first tale. And
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neither of us have read these, so we don't know what's going to happen. >> No, the we have not read these. Debb
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picked these for us. >> Shout out to Debb. >> Uh she made a whole thing about, you
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know, dreams and astral projection and all that cool stuff. So this is going to be very dreamy, very spooky.
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>> Be a good one. >> We like it. >> I'm excited. >> Um so this one is called Glitch in the
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Matrix. I got lost time yeed into the past and live to tell the tale. I'm glad you lived to tell the tale.
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>> Damn. >> Hey, weirdos. I'm Courtney. Feel free to use my name. Good. Because I did that. I
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just like trucked right through that. I didn't even take a Courtney. >> And yes, I absolutely said that in your
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intro voices in my head. >> I'm Hi, Elena. That's And this is Courtney. And this is also morbid.
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>> I'm from South Jersey. And yes, it's very different from North Jersey. This is a hill we This is a hill we will all
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die on. I'd call myself a newish listener, but I've been power binging since maternity leave started in
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January. So, like, when do I level up to be a seasoned weirdo status? You're there.
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>> You're there. Is there a pin, a sash, a secret handshake? I'm ready. It's a high
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five. Ready, Courtney? >> Boom. >> You're in. Boom. Attached is my listener. >> Listener listener tail.
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>> Listener tail and a double spaced pifa because I love you both. Duh. >> That's how you know you're you're
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vetted. >> That's right. You're in just for that insert. Sorry for the length here, but I
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know you won't edit it. It's a creepy, funny, glitch in the Matrix moment from my teen years involving a weirdass ghost
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town. >> I love a ghost town. >> A haunted looking movie theater. >> I love haunted movie theaters
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>> and map quest directions. >> I really never experienced those because I'm a youth.
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>> This just rip map. >> I bet I would have loved them. >> You would have you would have hated
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them. Uh aka the emo the original emotional trauma simulator. Hope you enjoy the ride. Okay. Love you. Mean it.
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Say it back. Love you. Mean it. >> Mean it. >> I actually do remember you driving with
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Map Quest directions. Like I remember being with you. >> It's a real right of passage for a lot
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of people. >> Uh shout out to my husband Tim PS. Who has no idea I sent this and is about to
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be real confused and extremely hyped if you read it on the pod. Surprise. >> Surprise, Tim.
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>> Here we are reading your wife's tail on the pod. >> Surprise. All right, let me open the
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tail because you did it in a pipo, which is a beautiful thing. >> An iconic thing. Listener tale. Glitch
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in the matrix. Welcome to my listener tale. Like everyone says, because it's true, I absolutely love this podcast. It
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truly feels like you're my true crime besties. The only thing I changed is that I wish I had started listening
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sooner. I only jumped in this past January while on maternity leave. Shout out to my husband Tim who got me hooked.
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I thought you were going to say shout out to my husband Tim who got me knocked up.
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>> He did both. >> That's what I thought you were going to say. >> He got you hooked and knocked you up.
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>> It's true. And I've been binging like a maniac ever since. I'm on episode 280ish
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as I write this. It's June for context. Tim, if you're hearing this, I will catch up to you. I love this.
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>> This is adorable. >> If you actually read this on the pod, I'll be shook. Like full-blown jaw on
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the floor, blow my brain apart, excitement level shocked. >> Well, girl, >> and I won't even know it for a while
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since I'm still catching up. So, you won't know for a while, actually. >> But one day, future me is going to
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absolutely love it. >> I kept telling myself I didn't have a listener story worthy of sending in. So
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many people do that and then they realize they do. >> They dig deep. And then one day while
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driving home from my son's daycare, I randomly remembered this bizarre thing that happened and was like, "Wait, I
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just might." So here we go. I buckle up, hold on to your butts, and let me take you on a creepy what the actual hell
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just happened glitch in the Matrix tale from my teen years. >> Let's go. >> I was 17, freshly licensed in the great
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garden state, New Jersey. And it was fall, aka spooky season, aka the best season, aka marching band season. If you
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know, you know. Band kids unite. I was not a band kid, but like >> that makes sense cuz I It's like
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football season, too. >> Oh, yeah. Rock on, band kids. >> Uh, small spooky season. Side note, my
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three-year-old is feral for Halloween. Hell yeah, your three-year-old. Like, full-blown spooky season ride or die. We
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bump spooky scary skeletons like it's a Grammy nominated banger, and it should be. And Monster Mash lives rentree on
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our family playlist year round. He's already a spooky little weirdo, and we are so proud. Oh, I'm proud. I'm so
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proud of him. and you. Anyway, back to the story. Being in marching band meant I had a weird web of friends from other
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schools that I'd only see at competitions. But now that I had a car, that opened up a whole new world. I
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could actually hang out with them. It's a deal. >> One night, I drove to pick up a friend
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who lived four or five towns over. This was preGPS, so I had printed out map quest directions uh a map quest
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direction sheet and a prayer. Sure, I had a cell phone, but I wasn't about to call my dad and admit if I was lost. I
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had pride. Getting there was fine. I picked her up. We hung out. And eventually it was time to take her home.
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Probably after New Jersey's curfew for new drivers because let's be honest, I've always had main character energy
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and despite questionable time management. >> Same. >> And deeply questionable time management.
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Excuse me. On the way back, driving through unfamiliar towns, I took a few wrong turns. No biggie. I always figured
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I'd recognize something eventually or just double back until it got spoopy. >> I was going to say no biggie. There's a
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whole installment of movies called Wrong Turn that is pretty. >> It's a big >> It turns out to be a a biggie.
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>> Yeah. The biggest E. >> A huge E. Capital E. >> Yeah. >> Uh I ended up on what looked what did he
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say? >> Energy. >> Energy. I like that he kind of said it like Beyonce in that song. Well, she
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doesn't say it, but in her song Energy. >> Energy. >> Nicholas is just jamming to Beyonce.
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>> I also think that Nicholas is being like, I'm trying to pull energy from you guys and you have none. He's like,
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"Where's your [ __ ] energy?" >> Where'd your energy go? >> He said he's stuck. >> Did he say, "Let's talk."
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>> No, he said he's stuck. >> Sorry, Nicholas. I thought we were having a moment. I thought you were
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like, "Let's talk." >> A, >> you're stuck. I'm sorry. I wish I could give you more energy to get out.
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>> I think he says he's stuck like every time. >> He's stuck. >> That actually hurts my heart.
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>> That hurts my heart as well. I hope you're okay, Nicholas. >> If we can help you, we will.
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>> Yeah. Back to the story. >> All right, back to the story. I ended up on what looked like a typical South
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Jersey main street. You know the type. Cute little shops, old school lamp posts, cozy town vibes. Nothing unusual
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at first. Then I saw it. >> This super old movie theater caught my eye. Total 1950s vibes. The marquee
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displayed the title of some old film. I couldn't tell you what it was now. >> Um Nicholas just said he doesn't
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understand. And >> he I guess he's not from the 50s. Well, he's also like this is he's like how did
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he she stumble on a 1950s movie theater >> current day >> current day. Like please elaborate and
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and I will Nicholas too. >> Um so the marquee displayed the title of some old film. I couldn't tell you what
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it was now but it wasn't just the movie it was the vibe. All the movie posters on the outside walls were old, too. Like
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black and white monster flicks and vintage dramas. This sounds awesome. >> You know the kind. Overly dramatic
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titles and bold fonts. A woman screaming into the void. Probably a giant spider somewhere. It felt like I'd pulled up to
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a drive-in from another dimension. What was it? Drowned. Oh, and he said that like very
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spooky. >> He said drowned. >> He said drowned. >> Is that why you're stuck? Are you stuck
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in a body of water, Nicholas? >> Oh, yeah. Also, is this current setting reminding
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you of a body of water? Cuz it does feel waterlike. Are you saying it's all right as in
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we're not bothering you with our lighting display? >> It's okay. Back soon. Okay. You let us know.
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>> Love you. Love you. Meet it. >> Um, so I slowed down. There was no one behind me. I leaned forward to get a
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better look. And that's when I realized the entire street looked like it was from another time. Not charming vintage.
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I'm talking fullon time travel. All the cars parked along the street, antique, like Model T level antique. No modern
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cars, no people, no dogs, no sounds, just this heavy, eerie stillness. >> This is like Pleasantville, but like
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really shitty. >> I love that movie. That's a banger. >> It is. I kept driving, totally freaked
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out, like I'd just been dropped into 1953, and me in my little car stuck out like a sore thumb. I started panicking.
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It was like the world glitched and I ended up somewhere I definitely wasn't supposed to be. Imagine that. Must have
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felt so weird because you're like my logical brain is telling me that like something this is an explanation here
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but then this can't be happening. >> There's another part of your brain that's like what if we did time travel
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and now I'm just stuck in 1950. >> How do I get home? >> What do I do here? I pulled into a
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random parking lot, turned my ass around and got the hell out of there fast. Like
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Scooby-Doo running from a haunted mansion fast. Eventually, I found my way home. didn't die. Amazing. But obviously
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I had to tell someone. >> So I told my best friend at the time, another spooky loving weirdo, and she
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immediately said, "We have to go back." Duh. We tried multiple times. I retraced
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my steps. Actually, I had a freakishly good memory back then. RP to that, thanks to Mom Brain. And I was certain I
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knew where I had gone. I mean, how could I forget something like that? But we never found that town again. Not once.
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And it wasn't for lack of trying. >> Now, weirdly enough, I live in even closer. I live even closer to where that
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friend used to live. I'd driven all around the area for years. Hadenfield. Hell yeah. Collingswood, Pitman.
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>> Nicholas just said, "Beside you." And he also says that every single time. >> It is interesting that he says the same
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things because I feel like he's trying to like communicate. >> Same thing in the same room. Is he
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right? Are you right in between us right now? That's That might be nice. >> I hope you're enjoying yourself. I hope
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you feel as thin as we do. >> I don't know how tall you are. Sorry if I did you dirty there.
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>> Rubbing your back necklace. >> I hope you feel okay. I hope you feel okay. >> I hope you feel okay. What if he's 10t
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tall? >> Oh, like that. >> Like the guy follows. >> That freaks me out. >> Nicholas would be like a tall drink of
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water though, not like a man peeing on your roof but naked. That's not it. Nicholas's energy is not a man on your
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roof. Okay. Saying naked. >> Nicholas is like, "Thank you, girl." >> He's like, "Neither is yours, Ash."
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>> Yeah, I think he's a tall drink of water for sure. Yeah. So, like, hey, Nicholas,
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>> what's up? >> Hey. Uh, but yeah, let us know. >> Did he say timeless? He said I'm
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timeless. >> You are a tall drink of water is also a timeless expression. >> It is. He He appreciated our expression.
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You are timeless, Nicholas. >> Maybe he's Sorry. >> Maybe he was saying we're timeless. Like
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timeless beauties. >> I'm going to take it. >> I'm going to take I'm taking it. >> I like that, Nicholas. It's like
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Nicholas knew we needed that. He's like, "You know what? You two timeless beauties. I'm going to sit between you."
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I said, "Come over here. Sit next to me." Not me. Oh, what if I just started sobbing? Thank you so much, Nicholas.
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Nicholas, >> I really needed you to tell me that. >> I appreciate it, Nicholas. >> All right,
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>> you can keep saying things, Nicholas things. >> Yeah, you're wonderful. >> What was that? Did he just GR?
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>> He said where I wish he could. >> Where would um You can sit wherever do you'd like. You can you can sit next to
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us. You can sit wherever you'd like. >> Yeah. >> Uh anywhere in the room. >> Yay.
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>> Okay. Uh, no, weirdly enough, I live even closer to where that friend used to
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live. I've driven all around the area for years. Hadenfield, Collingswood, Pitman, all those cute little South
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Jersey towns that sort of match what I saw that night, but none of them are it. And that's the weirdest part because to
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this day, I can still picture it perfectly. >> That's wild. >> The old theater, the vintage posters,
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the cars, the way the street looked frozen in time. It's crystal clear in my brain. And yet, no matter how many times
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I've tried, I never have been able to find that street again. Not even close. Every now and then when I think about
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that town, that stillness, the way everything just stopped. And I wonder if I accidentally drove through a glitch in
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the matrix. Maybe it was a ghost town, maybe another dimension, maybe the past. I don't know where I went, but I know I
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wasn't supposed to be there. Thanks for reading, and thank you both for being hilarious, gory little beams of light
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just by being your authentic weirdness selves. You're the best. Keep it weird, but not so weird that you end up stuck
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in 1953 without a GPS. Courtney, PS, Tim, if you hear this tail read on the pod, surprise.
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>> Surprise, Tim. >> Surprise, Tim. She made it. That was like such a fun little like opener
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because that's such a fun spooky like >> Yeah. Cuz I'm just like what did happen there?
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>> And like why did you end up there of all of places to end up? >> That's the thing. Like what? And the
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fact that she couldn't find it ever again, >> that's the that's the kicker because
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it's like you drive around your town, you know, areas in your town, you've been to all the places in your town.
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>> Yeah. >> How are you not finding it? >> And even like the the surrounding towns,
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too, you know? >> Yeah. Like it's very strange. >> Yeah. It's It is. >> I like that. I love it a lot.
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>> I like that a lot cuz I'm very interested in like glitches in the Matrix and the simulation kind of theory
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and all that. >> It's fascinating. I'm at least very interested in it. I am too.
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>> Yeah. All right. Well, thanks Courtney. Yeah, thank you Courtney. Our next one
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is called Listener Tales. That time I astral projected, couldn't leave my bedroom, but also couldn't get back into
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my physical body. So, I just panicked and tried punching my stupid body until I woke up.
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>> My stupid sleeping body until I woke up. >> Not just your stupid body. >> It's stupid and sleeping.
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>> Stupid and sleeping. >> All right. It says, "Hey, you can call me Kip. A name which you may use." Kip.
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>> Okay. Kip. >> I'm writing to y'all because I've been power cleaning my apartment while
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listening to y'all's podcast. two hard cers in. I love a cider. >> I love this. >> And I just heard a string of listener
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tales about lucid dreaming and astral projection. I thought I'd try sharing my own experience. But of course, first
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off, the thank yous. This show has gotten me through so many boring office days doing the dishes, as we say, for a
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cleaning lab and sampling equipment and staring mind-numbingly at slides under the microscope hours on end. It's
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entertainment for sure, but it's also helped me become aware of these stories of real people and their friends and
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families that demand attention. Maybe I've become a bit paranoid, but it's helped me really take in my
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surroundings, memorize the face of the man I pass at the park, recognize the make and model of the only other car
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parked alongside mine at the trail head, lie to the man that asks me if I live alone, and check in with all my friends
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if I haven't heard from if I haven't heard from them in a while. >> All smart, I know. It all just goes to
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say that I appreciate the work y'all do. I enjoy the dynamic, the entertainment,
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and the insight that comes out of these true crime stories and the lives of real
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people that surround them. Their stories are important and I'm glad your platform
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has grown large enough to share them. >> Oh, thank you. >> I was like so thoughtfully written and
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kind. Thank you very much. I did that and you did too. >> Damn. >> Yeah, it's so hard to type right now
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because my cat is petting my face begging for affection. Lol. I almost read that as my cat is peeing on my face
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and she's like, "Damn, it's so hard to write. >> My cat's just peeing all over my face.
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So hard to write." It was a wild visual. >> It would be hard to type. >> It would.
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>> That's so I got it. >> That's why I got it. >> Yeah. But on to my spooky dreams and
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strange happenings between sleep and wakefulness. When I was a kid, I would occasionally have these experiences when
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I was on the edge of sleep, most often in the middle of the night when I would wake up a bit, then be in this limbo,
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sort of awake, but still drifting off. I would feel the sensation of pulling like
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in my chest, like my soul, and I could sense this other being, this entity with me, and my vision, while still dark,
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would spiral and pixelate. I could very distinctly feel myself breathing. Mind you, I consider myself a skeptic. I have
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negative six sense. My roommate in college swore our dorm and first apartment were haunted and I felt
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nothing. I accidentally vid uh visited old Alton Bridge. You know, Goatman's Bridge.
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>> Oh, yes. >> You remember that? From Scariest places on Earth. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
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>> Yep. >> Uh for a sampling trip and felt nothing. I've been to a supposedly haunted hotel.
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Nothing. Hell, even prayer to the Christian God or Jod if you're nasty. I added that. Nothing, meditation,
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nothing. My best friend can use a pendulum like a a professional and pull tarot cards like a witch, and she puts
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them in my hands, and the spirits seem to flee at my touch. I honestly hardly even believe in the soul, let alone that
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I have one. But in these moments between wakefulness and sleep, I could feel a presence and an entity of some kind, and
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it did not feel good. Maybe it was just because I was scared and it felt like I was losing control, but it felt evil.
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Like there were no good intentions behind this action of pulling. Ooh. This happened a few times as a child, and
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every time it was the sequence of multiple episodes of quick succession of pulling, resisting, and fading, and then
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pulling again, until I truly woke up, sat up too scared to fall back asleep. Honestly, I had forgotten entirely about
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these experiences until it happened to me again, once as an adult. I have a friend, affformentioned, the talented
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spiritualist with the pendulum and tarot cards. Frighteningly so. She has been supposedly attempting to astral project
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all of her life. She frequently has lucid dreams and seems to have a deeper connection to whatever lies beyond our
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physical existences more than anyone I've ever met. But she's never successfully astral projected. I talk
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with her a lot on this subject. While I have great control over my dreams, I don't think I truly lucid dream. I never
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control the setting, but I interact freely with the setting. I kind of understand that I can't really control
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the setting, but I can >> I don't think I lucid dream, but I can I know that I'm dreaming.
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>> Yeah. >> And I am able to wake myself up, but I can't switch out the environment.
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>> I've been able to switch out the environment before. >> That's cool. I would like to try that.
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>> It was the time when >> You asked what time it was. >> I asked what time it was.
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>> Yeah. >> And that didn't go well. >> No, it really didn't. >> That was very strange.
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>> Yeah. Very strange. >> I don't do that in my sleep. I don't have any intention of doing that.
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>> I kind of want to do it again. >> You would? >> Yeah, but it was weird. Well, Kip says,
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"I interact freely with the setting. I have realized that I'm dreaming, but I rarely acknowledge it because my dreams
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are often so much fun. I don't want to interrupt them. I want to continue the story. I want to fly and fight and swim
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to my heart's content. I think it just goes to say that I have extreme control over the things that happen in my dream.
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And for the most part, especially in these story-based dreams, I'm cognizant and freely move about in and I'm
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generally aware of when I'm dream of when I'm dreaming and when I'm awake. >> Okay?
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>> And I can always bring myself out of it. If I cannot change a dream turn sorry
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>> what did he say? >> What >> I'm going to need more information of like what what it is you would tend to
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do and then we can talk about if I'll let you or not. That just let you what? >> It's 2025.
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>> What did he say? >> Nine. >> Let you nine. Let you nine. Huh? I got nothing. Walter.
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Are you going to start naming like nine friends that you got? >> Sophie. >> Who's Who's Walter?
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>> Jill. Barbara. Anyway. All right, keep letting us know, Nicholas. >> All right, so I'm generally aware of
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when I'm dreaming and when I'm awake, and I can always bring myself out of it. If I cannot change a dream turned sour
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into something pleasant, I can always wake myself up on command with just the thought of I don't want to be here
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anymore. It's worked every single time except twice. >> I've had sleep paralysis twice in my
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life. Once when I was a kid and once as an adult, the latter being an extraordinary experience that I want to
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share. I know this is a bit long-winded getting there. apologies, but I think my
00:22:38
explaining of these prior experiences of these prior experience contributes to my own understanding of what may have
00:22:45
actually occurred on the night that I may have successfully astral projected. >> Oh, I'm excited.
00:22:50
>> The first time I experienced sleep paralysis, I was flat on my stomach, facing the pillow, and I couldn't wake
00:22:56
up. I didn't see anything but a shadow passing my door over and over and over again.
00:23:02
>> Oh, I hate that. >> I do, too. Almost like I was caught in a time loop. Oh, >> but it wasn't malevolent. It just was. I
00:23:09
didn't see any demons. I heard nothing just but footsteps. And I felt no presence, evil or otherwise. I was
00:23:15
confused, but I wasn't scared. Maybe because I was already aware. What? Please leave.
00:23:23
Why is it always what I'm reading? Do you want us to leave or Walter to leave? >> Okay. Who's leaving?
00:23:29
>> Maybe it's Walter you want to leave. >> Maybe. >> Let us know. >> I was going to say, but it made
00:23:34
absolutely no sense. in Nicholas. >> Nicholas. >> So, I didn't see any demons. I heard
00:23:39
nothing but footsteps, and I felt no presence, evil or otherwise. I was confused, but I wasn't scared. Maybe
00:23:45
because I was already aware of what sleep paralysis was. I was honestly kind of annoyed, but I was easily uh but I
00:23:50
was able to easily come out of it by just letting go and falling back asleep and then waking myself up. Then, much
00:23:57
later, as an adult, I experienced the chest pulling again. the feeling that an entity had a had its grip on my very
00:24:03
soul and was trying to pull it from my body to the ceiling specifically. I fought it off, finally woke up and I
00:24:09
spent the rest of the night on the couch watching Star Wars and then I discussed
00:24:12
it with my witchy friend. I like that you were like, "I'm terrified. I'm going to go watch Star Wars on my couch." Just
00:24:18
watch Star Wars and then chat about it with your witchy friend. I like that. >> Sounds comforting.
00:24:22
>> Yeah. She told me that it was actually a rather common phenomenon known most commonly as the ankle puller. I didn't
00:24:28
feel it pulling up my ankle, but everything else matched. The presence of an entity, the sensation of pulling, the
00:24:34
tingly and fuzzy feeling I had across my body like pins and needles. This white noise almost like a rushing of water or
00:24:41
the sound of your own blood when you put your ear to a shell. That's mermaids. Actually, Kip,
00:24:46
>> I have a bone to pick with you, Kip. That's mermaids. >> Just saying. >> Just kidding. Like the ocean or
00:24:52
mermaids. >> Or mermaids. She said it was commonly a precursor to astral projection and that
00:24:57
the next time I should just let go, let it pull me. Well, it did happen again and I let it take me. I literally had
00:25:03
the distinct, completely lucid thought, she said I should let go, so I'm going to let go and I fully embraced it. I let
00:25:10
go and it pulled me away. It pulled me awake. I heard what sounded like a storm starting, like sheets of rain falling on
00:25:17
the roof and down onto the stone outside and strong winds. I opened my eyes and I
00:25:22
was in my bedroom. It was dark, still very early in the morning, but I felt awake and I was in my room. Everything
00:25:28
was exactly how it should have been, but everything was more dim and less saturated, like there was a cold filter
00:25:34
on my vision. I moved my arms to rub my forehead or rest them above my head like
00:25:38
I usually do when I wake up. And I felt my arms move, but I didn't see them where they should where they would have
00:25:45
moved across my vision to rest above my head. So, I waved them in front of my face. I very distinctly felt the action,
00:25:53
but I couldn't see them. Huh. And then I realized that I couldn't sit up. And then I finally realized that I could
00:25:59
really feel my arms moving about, but I also still could feel them lying by my sides. I could feel them in both places
00:26:07
at once. What the [ __ ] I tried throwing my legs out of bed, and again, I felt my
00:26:12
legs move, but I couldn't see them moving. And I actually couldn't get out of bed. I could still hear the winds or
00:26:18
what sounded like the ocean outside again or mermaids. But again, I think it was really just my blood pressure in my
00:26:23
ears. Kip. I It was mermaids. >> It's mermaids in everywhere. Always mermaids. >> Yeah,
00:26:31
>> I had that classic sleep paralysis pressure on my chest, but it wasn't strong. It was more like a cat. So, that
00:26:36
was actually pretty pleasant. Still no sensation or of another presence in my room, let alone my chest on my chest. I
00:26:43
saw nothing but the empty room around me. So, I laid there trying to wiggle my fingers, but nothing was happening. And
00:26:48
honestly, I was growing kind of bored. So, I just got out of bed. I swung my body weight to one side and then onto
00:26:55
the other to launch myself out of bed, which I later learned is called the roll out method. And it worked. I was
00:27:01
standing upright. My body was still in bed, but I couldn't see it. And I couldn't see myself standing beside my
00:27:07
bed. It was like I was in both places at once. >> Wo. >> Physically, I could feel both places at
00:27:13
once. Wa. >> That's That must have been gnarly. That's so weird. >> Yeah. Like how Oh, that's really cuz
00:27:22
like I think about it like cuz we were talking about this the other day actually that like you have those
00:27:27
moments where you'll be somewhere and then sometimes like this is going to sound funny. It happened to me at the
00:27:34
Rod Stewart concert halfway through it. I think I was like I was just like zoning out watching and then I was all
00:27:39
of a sudden like I zone out. I was mesmerized is what I was. I was I think it was he was shaking his booty and I
00:27:46
was like mesmerized. But I was like out of it and then all of a sudden I like clicked back in and I was looking around
00:27:52
and I was like am I here right now? Like I looked around and I was like am I where? Like I kind of get that
00:27:58
>> like I knew where but I was like am I actually here right now? That used to am
00:28:03
I just I feel like outside of myself. It's like a very weird feeling and it happens to me
00:28:09
>> pretty frequently >> a little. Yeah. when I'm like out somewhere. >> That used to happen to me when I was
00:28:13
little a lot in the car. >> Yeah. >> Like I would be like like I'd just kind of like zone out and then when I was
00:28:19
back I I would be like am I really here? You're like am I like where where am I really? Yeah. All of a sudden it's
00:28:24
almost like am I what? Like I'm here and it's like am I real? >> Yeah. It's very weird. So I feel like
00:28:30
that >> existential >> that idea of like being in two places at once is like similar I think but I can't
00:28:36
fathom being feeling myself in bed and feeling myself standing. >> Yeah. cuz like your experience is just
00:28:42
like where am I? That experience is like oh I'm in two whole ass places. >> Yeah, that's so weird.
00:28:47
>> Yeah, it is. So I walked over to my bathroom mirror, but I couldn't really see myself. I could definitely feel
00:28:53
myself moving though. I had my phone in my hand and I activated the screen and got really close to the mirror and then
00:28:59
I could see my reflection in the mirror in the glow of my phone screen. It looked like me exactly. There was
00:29:04
nothing scary at all about what happened here except that I couldn't wake up. But
00:29:09
I couldn't move my head. It was like I was still paralyzed even as I was walking around. I could see my eyes
00:29:14
moving in the mirror as I was glancing around. And I could see my mouth moving while I was talking myself through the
00:29:20
whole experience. >> Wo. >> I could hear my own voice out loud clear as day. And I could even see my phone
00:29:25
screen, the ridiculous background image I'd chosen. I could see it exactly. But of note, I could not see at the time,
00:29:32
which skeptic in me has latched on to to convince myself that this was a dream. Oh, sorry. I could not see the time.
00:29:38
>> Oh, >> so that's interesting. >> That is interesting. >> You can see your background but not the
00:29:43
time which is very interesting because then think of all those people in Dreamland who do not want you to know
00:29:49
what time it is for whatever reason. >> Yeah. Or like what the date is. >> It's like an abyss. It's like there is
00:29:54
no time. >> Yeah. >> You know, I know. I want I love this [ __ ] I do too. It's very fascinating.
00:30:00
So, I left the bathroom mirror, but I couldn't leave the bedroom. I was trapped in there. My curtains were
00:30:05
cracked open enough that I could have left. It's a studio apartment, so there's no bedroom door. But something
00:30:09
was keeping me in the room. I couldn't even see to my other side. It was just nothing. Not even dark. It was just
00:30:15
nothing. I went back to my body, but I couldn't get back into it. >> I was still both entities at the same
00:30:23
time. >> Oh, I would panic. >> I was my body lying in the bed, and I was my body astral and I was my astral
00:30:31
body trying to lie back down in bed, but my astral body couldn't lay back down. I
00:30:36
just kind of hovered over my physical body. And it was at that point that my physical body, still laying in bed,
00:30:43
started having trouble breathing. >> Not because of the pressure on my chest, but I think my tongue was falling
00:30:49
further back in my throat, maybe. I don't know. I'm not sure. >> It felt like something was in my throat.
00:30:54
So, I tried harder to snap out of it, which only caused me to start panicking. >> Oh my god.
00:30:58
>> Nothing was working. I started hitting my physical body with my astral body. I
00:31:03
felt my astral arms move. I felt my astral fingers pinching myself, but on my physical body, they weren't moving. I
00:31:10
wasn't actually feeling the blows or the pinches. Like, my astral body was having
00:31:15
absolutely no effect on my physical body. What the? >> So, I started calling out for help. I
00:31:19
was praying. I have no idea to whom, but eventually it worked. And I finally managed to knob the head on my physical
00:31:26
body. And then my body was awake and whole again. I never saw anything. No demons, no shadows, no presence other
00:31:33
than my own. I never heard anything beside my own voice crystal clear when I was speaking to myself and the sound of
00:31:39
the wind or the ocean or the mermaids or whatever else outside. It felt like it lasted an eternity though. Truly an
00:31:46
eternity. And I started questioning if this was actually sleep paralysis because it lasted so much longer than my
00:31:53
initial episode. But was it really a dream? It certainly didn't feel like one. The physical sensations, visuals,
00:32:00
and audio were just so accurate, crisp, so present, so real, like nothing I ever
00:32:06
dreamed before. The commands that would normally have woken me didn't work. The fact that I very intentionally entered
00:32:13
this state at the beginning of the episode. >> You say entered and then be quiet.
00:32:20
That's weird cuz I just said entered. >> Yeah. And who entered and why do we have
00:32:25
to be quiet? Is Walter here? Who's Walter? I don't know. Something I don't I don't like
00:32:35
that. Something's off. I also think it's very dark, so it's like a creepy setting.
00:32:38
>> Yeah, that's spooky. Give us more, Nicholas, please. >> Yeah, the physical sensations, visuals,
00:32:43
and audio were so accurate, crisp, so present, so real, like nothing I ever dreamed before. The commands that would
00:32:50
normally have woken me did not work. And the fact that I very intentionally entered this state at the beginning of
00:32:55
the episode of this episode was so strange. And the fact that I couldn't escape by any familiar means was very
00:33:02
frightening. Maybe it was just a dream. Just sleep paralysis still heavily influenced by my sleepy brain. But in
00:33:08
the moment, it felt like a lot more than that. Certainly different than any any dream I've ever had and much different
00:33:14
than the first sleep paralysis episode that I was subjected to. Anyways, it hasn't happened since. Granted, it was
00:33:20
rather unpleasant at the time, so maybe I just haven't tried hard enough. Interesting. For sure. You say Matt.
00:33:27
Mad. Is Walter mad? >> Mad. >> You can tell us and we can work through it. >> What did he just say?
00:33:37
>> I'm following you. >> Nicholas. >> This isn't Nicholas. Is this Nicholas? Or is this Walter?
00:33:52
>> I really dislike that. >> I got full. >> No, I do too. >> Like my whole body just chilled.
00:34:00
>> I think we should pause. >> Yeah, I think we should. >> We need to get some [ __ ] out of this.
00:34:04
>> I'd like to hear more though cuz I I want some more details here. Are is this
00:34:09
Walter or is this Nicholas? >> Who's following us? And are you following all of us or just
00:34:15
one of us? >> And why? back soon. Sorry. I was like, "What the [ __ ] is that?" Okay, it hasn't happened since. Granted,
00:34:27
it was rather unpleasant at the time, so maybe I just haven't tried hard enough.
00:34:30
Lol. Interesting for sure. Lol. >> We're all like, "Lol, lol." >> Interesting for sure, but who knows if
00:34:37
interesting enough to share on the show. I do. >> Pretty [ __ ] interesting. It >> is. Uh just just thought I'd write in
00:34:44
since I haven't spoken about it much with other people. Maybe I'll try again someday. I'm in a new apartment with a
00:34:48
door this time. Maybe all I needed was a door. Lol. Doors have lore, right? >> Doors do have lore.
00:34:53
>> Doors. Doors got lore. >> Yeah, lore with doors. >> Yeah, we shall see. Thanks again. And
00:34:58
maybe next time you feel a weird pulling in your dreams. Just let it tug you along. You never know where you might
00:35:03
end up. K. >> Oo, that's spooky. >> It is spooky. Also, I love how you wrote that entire thing.
00:35:08
>> Yeah, I think that I think that was 100% astral >> astral projecting. I really do. And you
00:35:15
were just new at it. And I think you went I think you may have gotten too hard too fast.
00:35:19
>> Yeah, I think you you uh astral projected too close >> too close to the sun. I think
00:35:24
>> also hey um who's following us? >> Yeah, ple please get back to us with that.
00:35:30
>> TT I would really like that. >> TT Yss talk to you so soon. >> I really had to work that out.
00:35:38
>> Uh I think I need I'm I'm going to this one because it's haunted sleep paralysis
00:35:44
listener tale. All right, you have questions. Hopefully, we have answers. >> Um, this one is, "Hello, I would like to
00:35:50
submit a listener tale. This is the story of the time my mom thought she was haunted for 10 years before she heard
00:35:55
about sleep paralysis. >> It features visions of Jesus and the devil, which for my adamantly
00:36:00
non-religious mother is wild. I like that she thought she was haunted for 10 years." I'm like, "Oh, no." by
00:36:08
Jesus and the devil. Thank you in advance for taking time to read it. 14 point point font double space podifa
00:36:14
attached. >> Amazing. >> Let me make sure. And your name is Whitney. I like that name.
00:36:20
>> Whitner Houston. >> Um, all right. Let's see. Haunted. Better not tell anyone. A listener tail.
00:36:27
Use all names. We would be thrilled if this made it on. Yay, it did. Please let me start by saying that I love morbid. I
00:36:33
frequently listen at work or in my car with my mom. In the car with my mom, Betty. A Betty. I work alone quite a bit
00:36:40
and you guys have kept me company through countless tasks. I'm a PhD student in paleontology and
00:36:45
geocchemistry. >> Casual. The [ __ ] Whitney? >> [ __ ] you just dropped that. >> Whitney,
00:36:51
>> you should you should always just drop that though. >> Yeah, you should. >> Like it's hot.
00:36:54
>> You should throw that like spike it like a football. [Music] >> Oh, I like that. That's what footballs
00:37:03
sound like in my mind. >> Uh, a little background on Betty. Thank you for that. Uh, she's wild.
00:37:10
I hope my future child just says that background on my mom. She's wild. She's always up to something. It gets better
00:37:20
with each side. And it's hilarious more often than not. For example, back in 2005, we lived in Western Washington
00:37:27
State and the local newspaper had an advertisement for the International Seagull Calling Contest. Naturally,
00:37:34
Betty entered and spent the next week crafting a seagull costume to complete the vibe.
00:37:39
>> What? >> I'm literally obsessed with Betty, her mom. >> That energy is pristine.
00:37:44
>> That's the energy I'm looking for. >> Yeah. Fact. >> Holy hell. Um, so then conveniently on
00:37:50
her birthday, she strutdded out onto the beach dressed as a seagull and squawkked
00:37:54
her heart out. What a queen. >> To my horror as a 17-year-old by at the time, she won.
00:38:01
>> Oh, yeah. I knew she won. Cut to the present day. She and I live together far
00:38:05
far from our previous home on the West Coast. She opted to retire from her job in 2022 and moved several states away
00:38:12
with me to help me out while I'm in the graduate school. A >> she's a real one. >> I have a dog named Molecule aka Molly.
00:38:20
>> Stop. That's so cute. Think of that. >> I know. >> Why didn't I think of that? That is
00:38:26
>> genius. And a cat. BB, >> which greatly appreciate getting to stay home with Grammy. Well,
00:38:34
>> you're from here. Nicholas is from here. Or whoever's following us is >> Is it Nichol? I don't know how to get
00:38:41
you to answer. >> It's funny that felt like Nicholas. Like I'm from here felt like Nicholas. But
00:38:45
those last two things like I'm following >> did not. >> I follow you. >> I'm following you.
00:38:50
>> That feels like Nicholas. >> That felt like pin head before which like I know you wanted to follow you. I
00:38:56
get it. But I don't want that for me. Well, no grassy. All right. Uh, let's see. Uh,
00:39:06
do uh what I always say. >> It's my motto. So, the dog and the cat really like stay at home with Grammy. A
00:39:14
>> uh Well, I travel around in the search of fossils. You are way cool. Uh, Betty
00:39:20
is a staple in the natural history museum where I work as part of my contract. Her natur her silly nature and
00:39:25
kindness has turned her into the geology department mom. >> Recently I took her with me to search
00:39:30
for fossils and she found an exosaur a marine reptile. That's so cool. Your mom found that? That's badass. I love that
00:39:39
was like I got something. I love this. Which is a decently common animal but she would like it to be known that she
00:39:45
will only speak to news outlets about it. Do we count? So, I guess watch for her
00:39:52
on Nat Gio as the next adventuring paleontology dog grandma. This story starts roughly in 1999 in a house on a
00:40:00
lake where I grew up. >> My parents were still together at this time but maintained separate bedrooms
00:40:05
for my whole life. My dad practically shook the house with his snoring. So, frankly, it made sense.
00:40:10
>> It do be like that. >> For this story, it is important to point out that I was raised as adamantly
00:40:14
non-religious. To this day, I have a notice on my door of my front door that reads, "No soliciting, no religion. We
00:40:20
cannot be safe." What? >> Burnt. >> Burnt. That one sounded more like Walter. I feel
00:40:33
was a weird creek. So, someone died from burning maybe and someone or something. Okay, let us know. Uh,
00:40:43
Colin. Uh, so hello. >> To this day, I have a notice on my front door that reads, "No soliciting, no
00:40:50
religion. We cannot be saved. We don't believe your stories. Don't make it weird."
00:40:54
>> Where do you buy that? >> I have one that says, "No soliciting. Don't make it weird."
00:40:58
>> I like that one though. >> Yeah, I like that one better. Tell us where you got that. I like that.
00:41:03
>> Betty and I collaborated on it. >> Oh, that that's a Betty and Whitney original.
00:41:08
>> It is, honestly. >> Betty and I collaborated on it after several visits from the local
00:41:12
Christians. Okay. Sorry for the side quest, but it is important. I promise. Um, and it's No, I'm sure Whitney
00:41:19
agrees. You can be whatever. If you're a Christian, just don't bother me about it.
00:41:22
>> Don't come to my door. No, >> don't come to my door with the religion, though.
00:41:25
>> That's for sure. >> Uh, so don't come to me with the religion. >> Yeah, don't do that. Don't come to any
00:41:30
of it. >> You do your the You do the religion. >> Exactly. >> It's It's all you.
00:41:34
>> And I'll say, "Yeah, >> Betty was stressed out at the time of this story. I don't know if that plays a
00:41:39
role in what happened, but perhaps." In the middle of the night, she awoke to a glowing blue light. It lit up her whole
00:41:45
room, and emanating from it was Jesus Christ, superstar, the man himself, JCJC. He floated above her near the foot
00:41:54
of her bed in long white robes with long brown hair and arms that outstretched to
00:41:59
his sides. Wait, this is like not Jesus Christ Superstar. This is like superstar. Remember when Jesus comes and
00:42:05
visits Molly? Molly? Molly? [ __ ] Well, he says he instructed her, "Believe in me. Believe
00:42:15
in me." Betty fought it. She tried to tell stereotypical Jesus no and to go away. Betty said,
00:42:23
>> "What did he say?" >> Ugly. >> Nicholas just said that Jesus Christ is ugly. >> Whoa. I don't know what that was about.
00:42:32
>> Woo. Oh, so she tried to tell stereotypical Jesus no and to go away. She couldn't move. She couldn't get out
00:42:39
of this situation. It was so vivid and real. There was no way to no way this was a normal dream. Once Jesus left, she
00:42:46
was able to calm down once Jesus got the hell out. Well, that was [ __ ] crazy, she thought. But I can't tell anyone
00:42:52
because everyone already thinks I'm crazy. >> Betty proceeds to not tell a soul about
00:42:56
her visit from Jesus. She just assumed she was now haunted and moved on with her life.
00:43:01
>> Jesus himself. Meanwhile, I had no idea Jesus was soliciting believers in my own
00:43:06
home. He didn't give a [ __ ] about the sign. A couple of weeks late. >> Give it back. Give what back? What do
00:43:15
you need back? I'd love to help you. A couple of weeks later, with no Jesus follow-ups, Betty is awoken again, but
00:43:25
this time to a red light. You guessed it, this time it was the devil. This sounds more fun.
00:43:29
>> He was there with a long red tail, pitch fork, and all. He hovered at the foot of
00:43:34
the bed. Believe in me. Believe in me. He commands her. >> No. Betty tries to tell the
00:43:40
stereotypical devil. >> I hope this is the devil from like Chilling Adventures of Sabrina.
00:43:45
>> Yes, the hot devil. Cuz I'd be like, "Sure." >> I'd be like, "Oh, honey, I've been
00:43:49
believing. >> I believe when the devil finally leaves, she think again thinks that was crazy. I really
00:43:56
can't tell anyone about this." She stuck it out, took this as a sign that she was
00:43:59
now definitely haunted and told no one. Now, personally, I cannot imagine thinking I'm being haunted and just
00:44:05
keeping that fact private. No. Also, these experiences didn't change her opinions on religion. In fact, if
00:44:10
anything, she doubled down. >> 10 years go by. 10 years of the of this happening. Yeah. A few other instances
00:44:17
occur, but never vivid or religion inspired. Okay. So, never that again. At this point, I'm out of the house in
00:44:24
college for the first time. I ended up dropping out, but hey, it's all good now.
00:44:28
>> I guess so. >> I guess so. Betty goes on a cruise to Alaska. This is not usually something
00:44:32
either of us would enjoy, but her niece, my cousin, was the main singer/performer
00:44:37
on said cruise, and Betty got a cheap deal to go watch her for a week. Also, apparently Alaska cruises are supposed
00:44:42
to be like wild, like really like beautiful, >> beautiful views. >> During one of their hangouts, my cousin
00:44:49
starts talking about how she suddenly gets sleep paralysis and what she sees or what happens during an episode.
00:44:54
Suddenly, it clicks. Betty had never heard of sleep paralysis before. Jesus and the devil were sleep paralysis
00:45:00
visions. She isn't haunted after all. Hey, she was so relieved to hear that she wasn't being haunted or her perhaps
00:45:07
becoming a prophet that she finally started telling people that a decade prior she had been personally visited by
00:45:12
Jesus and the what lore >> where >> he said quiet down Elena. I did do this. He do be flirting with you. I don't want
00:45:24
to talk about it. We have a lot going on right now. Pat pat later. So, uh, okay.
00:45:33
Yeah. Um, she was so relieved to hear that she wasn't being haunted or perhaps becoming a prophet that she finally
00:45:39
started telling people that a decade prior she had been personally visited by Jesus and the devil and that they were
00:45:44
as stereotypical looking as possible. Naturally, my response was, "How can you just keep that inside for 10 years?" She
00:45:52
thought that everyone knew her for being funny and that if she stared her experience, people would write it off
00:45:56
and think she was nuts. So, she just kept it secret and lived in fear. Probably not the best coping mechanism,
00:46:02
but probably our communicators now. So, no more thinking you're haunted for a decade. We talk that stuff out now.
00:46:08
>> True to form, I have a ton of other Betty stories, including the time she gave my phone number to a homicide
00:46:13
detective to help them identify potential living bones. >> That's [ __ ] bones. Human bones is
00:46:18
what I meant. Her rationale was that I work in a museum and identify bones for a living. So, it makes sense. It's some
00:46:25
It's always something with Betty around. I have included some photos. Oh my god,
00:46:29
we got Molecule. >> Molecule >> with a small whale tooth from the paleontology collection.
00:46:35
>> Whoa. >> She always comes to work with me. This is part of a weird thing I do where I
00:46:39
take pictures of fossils with Molly for scale. >> Oh my god, I love it. >> Oh my god, Bettyy's adorable. Oh, I love
00:46:46
Betty is exactly how I pictured her, actually. >> Yeah, truly. >> She has a wonderful energy. It shines
00:46:52
through. >> And that's where she found the the crazy dinosaur spine and we left it in a in
00:46:57
place and took a GPS point so that the museum can get a permit to excavate it. Please direct all nature documentary
00:47:03
requests and interviews to Betty. >> I'm Betty dressed as an alien for Halloween in the 1970s.
00:47:10
>> What a hot ticket, Betty. Okay, girl. She later saved a friend from drowning in the bathtub later that night when the
00:47:16
friend had a seizure. >> Can you imagine waking up naked in a bath after a seizure to an alien saving
00:47:21
you? >> That's just Betty's life. >> I'm obsessed with Betty and Whitney. >> I love you guys a lot.
00:47:27
>> Um, come hang. >> I do. Here's the thing. I still don't think that was sleep paralysis.
00:47:33
>> I don't either. I refuse to believe that. >> I get sleep paralysis. I've never had
00:47:36
Jesus and the devil visit me stereotypically and yell believe in me at me. Um, I think I think that was
00:47:42
something entirely else. >> It was a fight. It was a duel between between the one above and the one below.
00:47:48
>> Yeah. You know, and we don't know. We don't know what happened. >> I don't know.
00:47:52
>> Neither of them won. >> They both lost. >> You know, that's the thing. >> I like that one. That one's like a fun
00:47:58
little >> Betty side note. >> I liked it a lot. >> Um, let me see which one I want to do
00:48:04
next. All right, we have Listener Tale. The Time My Boyfriend turned into a demon. Oh,
00:48:09
>> that happens to a lot of girls. >> Let's go. Yeah, we've had that happen. >> We've all had that happen, actually.
00:48:14
>> Hi, my morbid baddies. My name is Cara, and you can use my name and all others
00:48:19
included in this story. And I got consent before sending this in because duh, consent is very important.
00:48:24
>> Consent. >> Oh, and baddies as a compliment by the way, despite bad of being part of the
00:48:29
word. Oh, >> totally. We know that. Thank you. >> I'm technically Gen Z, but just barely,
00:48:33
as I'm still a '9s baby, and sometimes I adopt the lingo. >> I love that. So, you are both the good
00:48:38
kind of baddies. The kind Urban Dictionary defines as a female who can hold her own. She's confident, slaying
00:48:45
the game, hot as fu, basically a bad [ __ ] >> Oh, [ __ ] yeah. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
00:48:52
>> I know what the Gen Z's would say to that. I just learned this. Purr. Purr. Mhm. I got
00:48:58
>> purr like a cat. >> Well, not like but like purr. >> Purr purr is like Yeah, I heard that.
00:49:04
Like that's t I think. I think Jenz's tell me if I'm wrong. >> They will. >> They will. They will. But I like purr if
00:49:13
I'm using it correctly. Anyway, >> fun. >> According to one definition, I really
00:49:17
did my research. Baddies can even be defined as an emo person who is badass. Anyway, you get the point. You're both
00:49:23
absolute queens, and I'm obsessed with the podcast for a multitude of reasons, including the way you share cases with
00:49:28
an in-depth and victim focused approach, as well as the banter you two share. I can definitely relate being the middle
00:49:34
sibling and a sister trio. All of us two years apart in age and born with the gift of sarcasm. I love it.
00:49:40
>> A true gift. >> Also, I really loved both of your books, Elena. I literally This is such a good
00:49:45
compliment. I literally never read unless forced, but you becoming an author actually provoked me to do so.
00:49:51
So, I guess you can say you make me a better version of myself. >> Oh, I love that.
00:49:55
>> Elena loves specifically when people who are like, I don't even read read the
00:49:58
book. >> It like a high compliment. Yeah. The people who are like, "I'd never read and
00:50:04
now I'm reading." Well, like I started reading because of those books. Like no better compliment.
00:50:10
It's It's a thing for you. >> Yeah. It's that or people saying, "I never listen to ghosts before you
00:50:15
mention them." >> Molina loves turning people into what are ghost fans called? >> Uh like ghoulets, right? Ghouls and
00:50:21
ghoulets. >> Yeah. >> She likes turning you into that. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, we share the double Oh,
00:50:26
me. Ash. Ash. We share the double-sided blessing/curse of empathy and also being
00:50:31
silly goof mood spasms that you more than occasionally have on the pod. So twin, what's up? I'll take it. Well,
00:50:38
[ __ ] I'm supposed to be writing my listener tale, but I ramble on the paper the same that I do when I tell stories
00:50:42
in person. Let's go. >> I can never stay on track without having to do without having to double back and
00:50:47
explain a backstory and whatnot. So, I apologize in adv in advance if this is hard to follow or if my sentences run on
00:50:53
too much. Here it goes. I talk fast, but the read should take anywhere uh from about 13 to 17 minutes minus commentary.
00:51:00
Please read all parenthesis. >> Yeah, >> the story Yeah, that's a long time, but
00:51:03
I'm in I'm in for it. We're locked in. I'm locked and loaded. The story takes place back in 2020. I was 22 and dating
00:51:10
a guy I met in college, Ben. We met over a little Sorry, we met a little over a year prior while attending a local
00:51:16
community college in Knoxville before transferring to the university in our college town to finish out our
00:51:23
education. there. I majored in advertising, which side note, I r I rarely use my ad degree today as I
00:51:29
predominantly do architectural design work now. Damn, everyone's so [ __ ] impressive. That's cool. And Ben majored
00:51:36
in computer engineering because Okay, Ben. >> Because he's some whack ass brainiac.
00:51:41
>> Some whack ass brainiac. >> And you wrote respectfully. >> We both lived off campus, but I would
00:51:47
routinely spend the night at his place and a majority of my free time there to avoid being at home. A backstory I'm not
00:51:53
trying to divulge due to the ungodly amount of trigger warnings it would require. I'm sorry. Let's just say if
00:51:58
college wasn't so damn expensive, I would have sought other living arrangements, but I had a tuition to pay
00:52:03
and my cat, or rather the love of my life, Ali's mouth to feed. The mention of my strange relationship with my
00:52:09
parents is semi-relevant to the story, but I'll get to that later. Anywh who, I spent a majority of nights over at Ben's
00:52:15
place and never had any offsetting experiences there until the night he turned into a demon for the first time.
00:52:20
Yeah, that'll do it. >> Yeah, that'll that'll take the cake. >> Before I tell the mortifying experience
00:52:26
of that night, let me give you a mental image of Ben. >> Thank you. >> He could easily be the poster child for
00:52:31
the golden retriever type personality. He's sensitive, well-rounded, boy nextdork type of guy.
00:52:37
>> I see him. >> I do too. He has this infuriating ability to pick up on just about uh pick
00:52:42
up just about anything and excel at it. For instance, he was an amazing cook that had the ability to whip up
00:52:48
concoctions in the kitchen. utilizing an inherent intuition of whatever flavors pair well together. And he even kept a
00:52:54
garden in his backyard to grow fresh herbs for cooking. He also found a yo-yo one time at his job and just decided to
00:53:00
pick up yo-yoing, watching YouTube videos to learn tricks and eventually became a bit of a yo-yo
00:53:06
master simply because of the opportunity that aroused to learn something new. And
00:53:11
he thought, why not? I guess >> I love Ben. I love that he was like, I better master this.
00:53:16
>> Guess I'm going to master this. You took it as a side from the universe. Honestly, nothing's better than
00:53:21
mastering stuff. >> I know. It's true. I like to master things. >> I love it. >> Me, I can't even get out of bed without
00:53:27
injuring myself. I have zero spatial awareness. I'm also the only person I know who has managed to kill a
00:53:32
succulent. Nope. I have too. I've I've done that. What did he say? >> What year is it?
00:53:40
>> Oh, it's 2025. Unfortunately, >> 2025. It's It's a It's too futuristic. >> It's not great here. We hate it. It's
00:53:49
>> not great. I can't get out of bed without injuring myself. I have zero spatial awareness and I'm the only
00:53:54
person I know who's managed to kill a succulent. I have two. >> Number two. >> Somehow I over care for them. Like how
00:54:00
the actual [ __ ] I genuinely think I'm an alien or maybe I'm just a Maybe I'm just defective.
00:54:06
>> I also think I'm an alien. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The good kind of aliens. >> Absolutely.
00:54:10
>> You know, like not the aliens that are coming to like probe you. >> Oh, just like just an alien. Meanwhile,
00:54:16
Ben out here be flaunting his newfound yo-yo skills and cultivating whole ass gardens. So, I know what you're
00:54:21
thinking. How does this dude become the demon of this story? >> Yeah, I'm wondering. Well, one night
00:54:25
after working a late shift on my bartending job, I came to Ben's house exhausted, and I almost immediately
00:54:30
passed out. He went to sleep cuddled up next to me, and that was the last thing I remember before waking up in the
00:54:35
middle of the night. >> He died. >> Guide. >> Is Walter your guide? Yeah. Who's Who's the guide? And that's
00:54:47
why someone's following someone. Look at you spinning that. >> So, he went to sleep cuddled up next to
00:54:56
me, and that was the last thing I remember before waking up in the middle of the night. This felt very random
00:55:00
because I had no idea what would have woken me up out of my deep sleep so abruptly. There wasn't a loud noise. I
00:55:06
didn't have the urge to pee, and no one had shaken me awake or called my name. In fact, Ben still appeared to be asleep
00:55:11
right next to me. His body was turned away from me at this point as he had fallen out of cuddle formation. Rude,
00:55:17
but nonetheless, he appeared to be sound asleep. So, me being the annoying ass girlfriend I was, I rolled over to Ben's
00:55:23
back and whispered, "Ben! Ben!" grabbing him by the shoulder and lightly shaking
00:55:28
him awake. To my surprise, he awoke rather quickly and immediately turned his body to face me, but looking back at
00:55:34
me wasn't Ben. The body was Ben's. the room, his bed, his face, all but his eyes. Where Ben's hazel-coled eyes once
00:55:43
were were now replaced by these disturbing, searing black eyes. >> I instantly felt a heavy and imminent
00:55:52
sense of danger. To this day, it still sent shivers down my spine just picturing those eyes. Before I could
00:55:58
process what I was seeing, it spoke. In the most chilling, demonic ass voice, it
00:56:03
said, "I'm not Ben." as its mouth crooked into a menacing smile that I can only describe as
00:56:10
utterly demonic looking. Literally like the smile in the Smile movies, but somehow worse. The realization no later
00:56:18
hit me that this wasn't Ben, merely someone or something pretending to be him masking itself in his skin. E.
00:56:25
>> As soon as I felt the panic of this realization, I abruptly woke up and was on the brink of tears. It was only a
00:56:32
nightmare, I thought. Still the most terrifying thing I've ever seen. But at least it wasn't real.
00:56:36
>> Yeah. Relieved. >> At least that. >> At least that. >> Yeah. >> Relieved. I went to wake up Ben. But for
00:56:42
real this time, I shook him awake. Awake, saying his name, the same as I had in my nightmare just before. But
00:56:47
this time, Ben actually turned and looked to be himself. >> Oh, good. >> I started telling him the scary dream
00:56:52
that I just had, still freaking the [ __ ] out and attempting to catch my breath.
00:56:56
And I don't even think I finished more than a sentence or two before yet again Ben started to [ __ ] shapeshift
00:57:02
back into the same demon-esque boyfriend impersonator as before. I was mortified.
00:57:07
Had I not woken up? Was this still the same dream? Or was I not dreaming at all? I don't wake up from the nightmare
00:57:12
immediately as I did before. Instead, I continue to stare at this creepy ass thing in the eyes, frozen and pleading
00:57:19
under my breath for it to go away. Go away. Leave me alone. Finally, after what felt like an eternity, I woke up
00:57:25
again. I'm in the same spot in Ben's bed. Still, everything is exactly the same as it would be in reality. And so,
00:57:32
I scan the room, looking for something off in an attempt to determine whether I'm still in the dream or if I'm really
00:57:38
awake this time. But there's nothing. His room just looked like the room I slept in every single night, down to the
00:57:43
coloring pages I ripped out to color and hung on his wall. That's adorable. That
00:57:47
is >> And my phone's still charging on the nightstand adjacent to me. I didn't turn
00:57:51
to wake Ben up like I had before out of fear that it wouldn't be him once. Yeah,
00:57:56
exactly. But instead his Mr. Hyde counterpart. >> It's almost like the demon could read my
00:58:01
mind though because this time it didn't wait for me to muster up what >> you >> watching you. Following you watching you
00:58:12
next to you. Damn. >> Maybe he's just adding to the story. He's like watching you cuz like Ben
00:58:16
turned around to look at her. He's watching her. >> Yeah, he's watching her. Let's go like
00:58:20
that. >> It's almost like the demon could read my mind, though, because this time it
00:58:24
didn't wait for me to muster up the courage to wake him up. It just turned to look at me with its dark fish eyes
00:58:29
and its menacing smuggish smile and started speaking to me. >> Did you say yikes?
00:58:35
>> Did you say he hides? >> Hides. He hides. >> He hides. >> Watching you. >> Nine. Nine again.
00:58:47
>> Something creeped over there. Seven degree over there. >> He hides watching you.
00:58:54
>> Nine. >> Who hides? Nicholas, help me understand. >> Or Paul is on during later.
00:58:59
>> Where does he hide? >> Right back soon. >> This is the creepiest sleepover ever.
00:59:08
>> I know. Damn. We didn't even do a Ouija board. >> We never will. Not in this room.
00:59:15
>> Liar. I'm not a liar. I have never done a Ouija board and I never will. >> Have you done a Ouija board in this
00:59:31
room? >> No. Not in this room. Not in this house. >> What room? Like, no. Not in this house.
00:59:41
You heard that? You heard that little like high-pitch squeak thing? Mhm. She just went,
00:59:52
"You sure did." >> Yep, I did. Okay, back to the story. Where am I? Where am I? >> Where Where are Where am I?
01:00:02
>> It turned to look at me with its dark fish eyes and its menacing smuggish smile. And it started to speak to me.
01:00:07
Its voice would start as Benz, but slowly become more gruff and for booding, sort of like the ghost tube
01:00:12
voice. It was almost like it was taunting me, even saying my name and trying to get me
01:00:17
to look at him. But internally, I was screaming, "Fuck no." And I refused to even make eye contact, hoping that
01:00:24
ignoring it would make it disappear. It didn't. It whispered in my ear, calling me by my name and telling me to look at
01:00:30
him, reassuring me it really was just Ben. It was freakishly manipulative, trying to play tricks on my mind or
01:00:36
convince me it was my boyfriend after all. I was paralyzed in fear and all. He said, "Next." Did he say axe?
01:00:44
Oh, I thought he said he said axe. I don't like he hides watching you in axe. I mean, I don't either. I don't like it.
01:00:59
I don't like how that all goes together too perfectly in a narrative. >> Yeah, it's You're not the only author in
01:01:06
the room. I guess I don't like that. You gota keep going, Nicholas, because now I need more information.
01:01:21
>> In case you didn't hear that at home, he said, "Come over here." Hold on. >> What?
01:01:28
>> Okay. >> She went over there. >> What else? >> She just left me on this couch alone.
01:01:38
Yeah. come back, please >> and um you let you let me know if anything else comes up.
01:01:46
>> Okay. >> Do you also feel like it's so cold in here? I'm not even being dramatic. Like
01:01:50
it's genuinely very cold in here. >> It is indeed. >> And it's also like never cold in here.
01:01:54
The AC like never works properly. >> I have too much going on right now. We both do.
01:02:02
>> I guess we continue. >> Okay. Yeah. Um, it was freakishly manipulative trying to play tricks on my
01:02:11
mind or convince me it was my boyfriend after all. I was paralyzed in fear. Same.
01:02:16
>> Yeah. >> And you're not. You're moving about. And all I could do was cry. Finally, I
01:02:21
reawaken. You see where this is going. I immediately recognize I've only awoken back inside this neverending hell loop
01:02:28
of sorts. >> This sucks. I hate it for you. This time, the demon didn't waste time trying
01:02:33
to convince me it was my boyfriend or that I'd woken up from the recurring nightmare. This time, there was a TV on
01:02:38
in his room. Ben didn't have a TV in his room, though. >> He needed more. >> He said he needed more room for his
01:02:45
yo-yo tricks, I guess. So, I immediately knew that I was dreaming and recognized
01:02:50
his room was slightly morphed now from reality. Demon Ben was faced toward the TV watching something, but I could never
01:02:56
tell what it was. He slowly creked his neck back to look at me as if he noticed that I entered the dream again, primed
01:03:03
for his torment. He kept telling me to look at him the same as before, and he started walking toward me now. I was
01:03:09
overwhelmed by a feeling of dread and knowledge that this thing, whatever it was, was pure evil. I closed my eyes
01:03:15
tightly and tried to lean into my consciousness in an effort to escape my slumber while saying out loud, "You
01:03:20
can't hurt me. This is just a dream. You can't hurt me. This is just a dream." Over and over and over.
01:03:26
>> Worth a shot. But somehow, without even saying it, I felt it was telling me that
01:03:30
it could harm me, that it could end me right there and then if it wanted to. >> I could feel it approaching, getting
01:03:36
closer and closer and closer, leaning into whatever religion I had left. I just started to beg God to make it a
01:03:42
nightmare stop and force me to wake up. Next thing I know, I wake up and I'm in tears. Still not trusting that I was
01:03:48
actually awake, I didn't move for a while. I was waiting for the demon to make itself known again and continue its
01:03:53
torment. But this time, nothing. I finally got the courage to turn over and wake up wake up Ben. But once again, no,
01:04:01
I'm just playing. >> Oh my god. It really did wake up for real. For real this time. I didn't
01:04:07
believe it at first and I was still apprehensive when Ben first opened his eyes. I immediately asked him if he was
01:04:12
a demon to which he responded very confused and still half asleep that he was in fact not a demon.
01:04:19
>> He said, "I want you to go." >> I mean, we are going to be leaving. >> Yeah, we're leaving shortly. I'm just
01:04:25
wrapping up here. Yeah. Uh, I immediately asked him if he was a demon, to which he responded very
01:04:31
confused and still half asleep that he was in fact not a demon. I remained hesitant, but I was petrified that the
01:04:37
demon would reemerge as Ben and take me for good. Take me. Don't take me. Eventually, I reached over to grab my
01:04:44
phone off the nightstand to check the time. And Ben reached his arm across me to make sure I didn't fall off the bed
01:04:49
as I leaned. He was well aware of my absolute clumsiness. But instead of being thankful and grateful, I
01:04:54
completely lost my [ __ ] and started scre and started screaming and kicking, thinking he was still the demon and that
01:05:00
I was still asleep and he was grabbing me. Now he's pulling you into hell dimension now.
01:05:04
>> Yeah, it took a lot of convincing, but eventually I did accept that I was no longer stuck in a demonic dream loop.
01:05:09
And Ben forgave me for accusing him of being a demon. Say, "Help me again. I want to. I need more information."
01:05:18
It took a lot of convincing, but eventually I accepted that I was no longer stuck in the demonic dream loop,
01:05:23
and Ben forgave me for accusing him of being a demon and going apeshit on him when he only only tried to prevent me
01:05:29
from falling off our bed. I had been at least partly conscious the whole time, aware that I was trapped inside this
01:05:36
dream loop and practically clawing to get out. I could think and talk if I wanted, and this was something I'd never
01:05:42
experienced before. But after some research on the interwebs, I came to understand that I was experiencing some
01:05:49
form of metacognition while caught in this dream loop. From what I gathered, sorry. From what I gathered, it appeared
01:05:57
I was either lucid dreaming or in sleep paralysis. I tend to lean more towards sleep paralysis because I didn't feel
01:06:03
like I could move and I definitely was not in any control of my dream. >> Yeah. I also read that sleep depravity,
01:06:09
deprived of sleep I was, or even trauma, which I have plenty of too, could be potential causes of sleep paralysis. I'm
01:06:16
no expert nonetheless, and I would be interested to hear your guys' take on it all. After recovering from whatever the
01:06:22
[ __ ] it was, followed by many hours of lying awake, afraid to drift back to an
01:06:26
inescapable dream loop again. >> Can't say I blame you. >> I know. I eventually caved my exhaustion
01:06:30
and fell asleep and did not wake up again until the following morning. Luckily, no more reawakenings occurred
01:06:36
that night. However, I was low-key traumatized from those dreams. So badly, actually, that I spent the remaining
01:06:42
nights that week at my own home instead of with Ben at his place. But my widow baby self couldn't even sleep in my own
01:06:48
bed either. My 22-year-old ass crawled into mommy's bed and slept there for the first two nights following the
01:06:54
nightmare. Luckily, my stepdad worked third shift, making it possible for me to take his place. This was wildly out
01:07:00
of character for me because, as I mentioned earlier, I have a strange relationship with my mom and stepdad.
01:07:05
Not to mention, my mom isn't your typical nurturing, affectionate maternal figure. Sorry, I don't know what this
01:07:10
is. It's just Snapchat. Andrew Christ and Aura being like, "Time to stretch your legs a bit."
01:07:19
>> Yeah, I guess it is. My mother isn't your typical nurturing, affectionate maternal figure. Her mom passed away
01:07:24
when she was 11. I hope that gives perspective to how severely the sleep paralysis experience affected me,
01:07:30
especially given that thing I feared in my dream was my boyfriend at the time. I
01:07:33
even searched for deeper meaning in the fact that the demon in my dream masked itself as my boyfriend. Was it a warning
01:07:39
that he was bad for me and to get out while I can? Did he dabble in dark magics and mess with the wrong spirit?
01:07:45
Nah, not Ben. He He preferred more docile hobbies like woodworking and, you know, yo-yoing.
01:07:50
>> I was going to say yo-yoing. >> No, no tea, no shade, no lemonade. Also, haters hate and potatoes potatoate. But
01:07:56
I ain't afraid of no haters hate and potatoes, but I ain't no hater. Just a regular old couch potato.
01:08:04
Anyway, back to the story. I'm obsessed with you. That was iconic. I feel like we're soul sisters. I love
01:08:11
it. At first, I feared Ben, even though I knew he wasn't an actual demon. And it
01:08:15
did take me a while to shake the image of him with black eyes and a creepy ass smile out of my head. Maybe
01:08:20
subconsciously I never did because about a month after I had the dream loop again, pretty much the same as before.
01:08:26
But this time I was not fooled by those false reawakenings. Instead, every time I reawakened within my dream, I would
01:08:32
try to read things around me in the room. So >> anticlockwise. I was just moving my foot like this
01:08:42
anticlockwise. That's weird. >> That's really weird. >> And we said we're going to cleanse the
01:08:46
room. >> Yeah. And you do it anticlockwise. >> Whoa. Now I'm going to move it clockwise.
01:08:53
>> All right. >> Uh, I wasn't fooled by these false reawakenings. Instead, every time I
01:08:59
reawakened within my dream, I would try to read things around me in the room and
01:09:03
immediately knew that when I couldn't, I was still trapped. Spoiler. Ben and I broke up almost a year later. Oh no.
01:09:08
>> I thought we were holding each other back from growing as individuals and had
01:09:12
become a little too codependent. But we remain friends today, just with a healthy distance. Now I'm dating another
01:09:17
man now. Shout out Pooky. He listened to me read this over and over again to make
01:09:21
sure it made sense throughout the writing process. >> A Pooky forever. >> Pooky. I haven't laid what
01:09:28
>> an egg. >> I haven't had any sleep paralysis or loopdreaming experience since my
01:09:34
relationship with Ben ended. Now 4 and 1/2 years later, I still think about that sleep paralysis loopdreaming
01:09:39
experience from time to time, sometimes before bed. And I even ask whatever being/God is out there to just protect
01:09:45
my dreams. I was raised from the age of 13 on in a Southern Baptist household where my mom remarried my stepdad and
01:09:52
got brainwashed into being an entirely new person and then forced his idio idiocracy and hypocrisy down mine and my
01:09:58
sister's throats too. But those are not my ideals today. >> And I find as I find comfort in the idea
01:10:04
of a god existing to watch over us, but not in the let us condemn others or tell
01:10:08
others how to live their life kind of way. >> Good for you, man. >> I like that. My belief, which is only
01:10:12
just my opinion, is that the universe is way too vast for anyone to comprehend and nobody really knows what or who is
01:10:18
out there. Just let everybody live their life and shut the [ __ ] up, Karen. >> Hell yeah.
01:10:22
>> I agree. If you've read this listener tale on the pod, thank you. I'm a very private person and very rarely open up
01:10:28
to even the people closest to me. So, writing this tale allowed me to challenge that side of myself and
01:10:32
hopefully even grow a little. A >> I don't really have a lot of friends because I'm extremely socially awkward
01:10:36
and usually assume the worst of humanity. Us, too. >> I mean, yeah, I get it. I know that's
01:10:41
something I need to work on through therapy, but it's expensive. All right, Ash, Elena, thank you again for doing
01:10:46
what you do and being the baddest of all baddies in the world of podcasts. A >> I have decided to attach pictures of my
01:10:52
ex, Ben, so you can put faces to the story as well as pictures of my fur babies. Ollie's the bigger white and
01:10:58
black cat with green eyes. He is the air that keeps me breathing. >> Samoa is the wiener. Samoa. Enough said.
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And Toby, a girl with a boy's name, is the kitten that looks and acts like Ollie's shadow. Carl's the tan dog. He's
01:11:10
my Carl He's my boyfriend's dog, but we live together, so I adopted him. Carl is
01:11:14
from the streets, but he's the sweetest, goodest boy there ever was. And I have also attached a picture of my current
01:11:20
boyfriend because he deserves a little recognition, too. The [ __ ] >> Oh, I got to see.
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>> And a picture of my sisters and I doing the awkward J C Penney photo shoot just
01:11:29
for shits and giggles. >> Oh my god, that's how I pictured Ben. >> That's actually exactly how I pictured
01:11:33
him. Oh, and you guys were very cute together, but I haven't seen your new boyfriend yet. I hope you all found my
01:11:38
listener's tail to be at minimum interesting. Oh, and shout out to my older sister, Kayla, for introducing me
01:11:42
to Morbid years ago. With all the love, Cara vote is attached below with names. Uh, and also more separate attachments
01:11:48
in the email. >> Adorable. >> Look at these animals. Oh my god, Samoa and Toby and Olly and Carl.
01:11:56
A >> Oh, and Pooky. >> Oh, Pooky is adorable. >> I love you guys. >> And the J C Penney uh shoot is
01:12:02
absolutely iconic. >> That's phenomenal. >> Wow. You're all iconic. >> Thank you guys for your listener tales.
01:12:08
They really shot us in the arm today. >> They really did. It's what we needed. We
01:12:11
needed this like dreamy, spooky, but also kind of uplifting at times. >> Yeah, >> we needed Betty.
01:12:17
>> We needed Betty. We certainly didn't need to find out that someone was following us, but I guess
01:12:22
>> we'll deal with that. >> I guess we'll deal with Walter. So, >> oh, and quickly, I meant to say this at
01:12:26
the top. Somebody at your book event um complimented my lipstick, and I appreciate it. I'm wearing it, and I
01:12:31
promised you I would tell you. It's Maybelline vinyl and it's the color royal. >> I love it. This is not an ad. I love
01:12:39
these vinyl lipsticks. They really stay on. >> Yeah, I like that. >> And that book event was awesome. You
01:12:45
guys were all awesome. Thank you for being so cool and I loved meeting all of you.
01:12:49
>> We went from a medical emergency in your mouth to a medical emergency at home.
01:12:53
>> Exactly. So, it's been great. >> My Saturn return is Saturn returning so hard. And actually, you're not Saturn
01:13:01
returning, but you must be going through something. >> Yeah. Something's going on.
01:13:04
>> We always love to go through things together. >> Yeah. And but this was a nice little
01:13:07
shot in the arm today recording this because it was a nice little escape. Yeah, you guys are the best.
01:13:11
>> Thanks, guys, for giving us that. >> And without further ado, we hope that you keep listening
01:13:16
>> and we hope you >> keep it weird. >> Bye. >> Not Not so weird. >> I was just like, I'm tired. Not so weird
01:13:25
that you don't try to astral project. I guess because I'm I want to try it a little bit. I just don't want to ask
01:13:30
what time it is. >> And don't let your boyfriend become a demon. >> I mean, do your best not to let that
01:13:35
happen. >> Not to not to let that happen. Don't participate in it. >> Oh, yeah. And come, but be so weird
01:13:45
>> that you come over with us >> that you come to serious >> serious. You'll still get these um
01:13:50
YouTube videos. >> Same thing. >> Same thing. We're just not going to be on Wondery Plus.
01:13:54
>> Yeah. Only place we won't be. >> Yep. >> So, join us. Love you. [Music]