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Elena I'm Ash and this is morbid
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it's a listener tell episode and you
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know what that means it is brought to
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you by you for you from you and all
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about you baby it's also morbid uh in
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the night time it's morbid at 12 23 a.m
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morning at almost midnight it's just a
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little pain
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whoa uh and you know what before we jump
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into this we have a little bit of like
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news I suppose yeah kinda a change in
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process I suppose breaking news
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that exactly that uh so we've been you
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know we've been like we changed the way
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we did things we added another episode
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every week with a listener tell on
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Fridays you know the process has been
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different for a few months and we've
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been seeing how it's going yeah and it
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just feels different it feels it hasn't
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we haven't been able to settle into this
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enough no
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um and we've been kind of taking your
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feedback and like mulling over it and
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we've been comparing that with how we're
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feeling and we're all lining up
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we're all lining up together and we
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decided that we're gonna go back to the
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way things were before when when we
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started like the way things were when
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you guys like we got you all here the
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way you came to us you know we started
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out and like after you know I I don't
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know it must have been like a year or
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two in that we started doing two
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episodes a week and that many morbid
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became a full episode and then we were
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at two episodes a week and we did one
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episode every every month that was a
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listener Tale
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and you guys dug that right like it felt
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like that was and we dug that I was just
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gonna say and we dug like it felt like
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doable we felt like we were always able
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to put enough time and effort into the
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main episodes and I think we're not
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feeling that way right now no and we
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have Dave who's a really big help he's
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our like research assistant now and he's
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[ __ ] phenomenal but like it's a lot
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and like and so when and when we changed
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to three episodes a week it's just like
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with you know the Buffy podcast and with
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Scream and Frozen yeah Frozen head like
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we're burning out a little bit and we
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recognize
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we lied
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um but and I think people are noticing
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I've gotten a few messages that are like
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are you okay yeah I've gotten a lot of
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messages like that thank you for giving
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a [ __ ] like thank you for noticing I
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feel like that says so much about our
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listener base it does because like that
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and that's when it started to hit us
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we're like all right people are seeing
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that we're getting tired so we we got
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together we decided you know what we're
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taking it back old school we're gonna do
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two main huge episodes every week
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because I feel like these episodes are
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getting meatier and meteor and we want
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to continue with that I think that's the
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main attraction every time you say
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meteor I always think that you're
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talking about him like a car yeah yeah I
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am no they're getting more space no no
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no
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yeah we want to keep these main episodes
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like really be able to focus all our
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attention and like you know we don't
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want to burn ourselves out we don't want
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to burn Dave out we don't want to burn
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you out we don't want to burn you out so
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we're gonna take it back we're gonna do
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still do the two main episodes everybody
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like that's not gonna change so don't
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worry that'll never change it's keeping
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it the same it's always been but instead
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of doing The Listener Tales every single
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Friday we're gonna do it just once a
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month uh it just feels right it feels
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like it's going to be a treat again it
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used to be a treat you know like it was
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always that thing that we were like oh
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guys we're doing a listener tell because
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of like whoa that case was entirely like
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exactly let's have a palette cleanser
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here and now you'll have them to look
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forward to I feel like when it's like
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every Friday it's like it's been fun
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like I I don't need it by any means no
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way but I'm like now it's gonna be like
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exciting to do listener Tales like even
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more so yeah it becomes a treat for us
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and it becomes a treat for you guys
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again and that's all we really want to
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do we just want to make this a fun
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experience for everybody if you eat ice
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cream every night after dinner it's not
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that exciting to go get ice cream
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anybody forget it once a month it's a
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lot of fun or like once a week so just
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letting you know that that's what's
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gonna happen again
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two main episodes stick it around yeah
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worry about that and we'll let you know
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because it's going to be instead of the
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Friday episode like we're gonna figure
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out where these two main episodes are
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gonna release now yeah because we want
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to make sure we're not putting them in a
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place where there's too much time
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between them I feel like Tuesday
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Thursday is going to be good yeah but
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we'll let you know don't worry because
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we're just nailing that detail down yeah
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we're having combos but again this is
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really just better for everybody I think
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it's you're still getting the exact same
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amount like amount of main episodes
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that's not changing but it's just we
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don't want to burn out and we don't want
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to start you know like not being able to
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put as much as we want to put into main
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episodes you know yeah so so I think
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this will be good for everybody and
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again this is like we're taking your
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feedback like this is this is your show
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as much as it is as it is ours and we
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just want to make it what you want it to
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be exactly sorry somebody sent mail and
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made a noise how [ __ ] are they so
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yeah so thanks for like you know sharing
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that and thanks for giving a [ __ ] about
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us and actually like messaging us being
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like are you okay we are okay we were
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just we really were burning out though
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like there was it was starting to get a
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little much hundo p and you know we love
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this and we love you and we just want to
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keep keep doing that so you look so
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Earnest right now I am Earnest I know
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you are but you're excited about like I
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love morbid for what it is and I want it
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to be what it was you know like I don't
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want it to change and keep like evolving
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is one thing changing is a different
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thing you just read my [ __ ] mind I
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was saying that because we're taking it
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back old school kicking it we always
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read each other's lines
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I'm just nostalgic right now like
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abilities so you know what here we are
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we're in a listener tale right now here
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we are and here we are in six minutes so
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we should shut the [ __ ] up and get on to
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it we should shut the [ __ ] up
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so you know what the first tale that I'm
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gonna read is called the time my
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grandfather was kidnapped and the time
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my grandfather arranged an illegal
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adoption with the help of the Capone
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Mafia I absolutely love a two-for-one
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listener tale who doesn't
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who doesn't my friend show me someone
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don't please uh so this one says hi
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ladies my name is Valerie and I'm new
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here I just got hold your Buffy
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re-watcher podcast I love that you found
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us through the Buffy rewatcher podcast I
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know that's the first time that we've
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heard that and I'm having the best time
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listening to discuss my favorite TV show
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in Middle School my friends and I
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assigned each other Buffy personas I was
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Buffy and my and I named my dog angel
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anyway I soon discovered you have been
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podcasting about my other favorite
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subject True Crime and my love for you
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blossomed our love for you I started
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listening from the beginning and I'm
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catching up quickly
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I'm submitting two other two stories
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about my grandfather As Told to me by my
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father and still somewhat in his voice
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pick your favorite read both they're
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short I've attached to put a phone no
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idea how that's spelled or what it even
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means again I'm new here but rumor has
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it that you like to read large fonts and
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I support that's the truth I love you
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all the rumors are true yeah I never got
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to meet my I'm not all of them I never
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got to meet my iPod no I was just
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singing
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I never got to meet my grandfather as he
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passed away the year before I was born
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from the stories I've heard he was quite
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a character he was movie star handsome
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picture attached he was he was with a
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quick and biting wit so he was a
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Dreamboat uh he found himself in a lot
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of colorful situations feel free to use
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our names from what I know about my
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grandfather he'd love to have 15 minutes
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of fame I love that my favorite thing is
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there's a picture of him in an old-timey
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boxer pose I know and his shirt says
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[Laughter]
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say hi no no it doesn't it says I
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yeah
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is it in that voice this guy's sure
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wouldn't just be like I said
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I'm gonna punch in your face
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oh all right this story takes place in
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the 1920s oh it's for Elena oh yeah it's
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my my time the Hillman department store
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was one of the biggest department stores
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in Chicago Chicago
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Edward Hillman Jr was the Chicago
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Department Store air who was in the
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newspapers for his Glamorous Life his
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marriages and divorces to actresses
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brought him further local Celebrity
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Status my grandfather Edward Hillman
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hereby known as Ed was a handsome and
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Dapper young gentleman around the same
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age as Edward Jr one evening ed meaning
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her grandfather was accosted by three
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butt heads forced into their car and
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brought to their apartment for ransom
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despite his protests he could not
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convince these [ __ ] that he wasn't
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the Edward Hillman son of the Hillman
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department store oh it just they had the
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same name again identity yes they told
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him that he had to come up with five
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thousand dollars in order to be released
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oh my God I had thought quickly and said
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that he'd call his kid brother Herbert
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to get the funds and bring it over
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Herbert was a tough 16 year old he was
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part of a Jewish gang that was known for
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getting into fights in minor trouble
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herb was an amateur boxer called The
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Smiling Slugger because he loved to
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fight and fought with a smile on his
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face
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so that was that was Herbert yeah yeah
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it was Ed called his brother and said
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matter-of-factly I'm in a bit of trouble
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and I need five thousand dollars please
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go pick it up and bring it over telling
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herb to bring $5,000 gave her a clear
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understanding of what the situation was
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because it was a lot of money in those
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days and Ed and Herb's combined bank
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account was about five thousand dollars
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short of that a few hours later
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these criminals were looking out the
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window waiting for their money and they
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saw a young guy approaching herb knocked
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on the apartment door and feeling no
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threat and happy that their mission was
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successful one of the kidnappers opened
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the door hello as he opened the door
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herb greeted him with A Hard Punch to
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the face which broke his nose and
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splattered a lot of blood his Mama Said
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Knock You Out that's righty she did then
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herb rushed at the second man and
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overpowered him with a series of punches
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oh my God Third Man surrenders
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I'm obsessed with that the third guy was
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like no I don't even want to deal with
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that oh my God I just had a smoker's
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coffee it reminds me of Arthur
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um Arthur Shelby from peaky blinders
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yeah me too I'm just saying like he's a
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boxer and he's like Wiley does he say I
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he did not say I uh all this happened in
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a matter of seconds
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Tom or excuse me her but I almost said
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Tom from Thomas Shelby from herb
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proceeded to empty their wallets and
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take their cash hell yeah he was like
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you want my cash I'm gonna take yours he
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took note of the addresses on their IDs
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and prepared a note for them to sign
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each planet pledging Herbert fifty
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dollars for his troubles which he later
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collected he made them pay for him
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kicking the [ __ ] out of him that's
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hilarious he's like I had to come out of
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my house and come beat the [ __ ] out of
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you and save my brother and you're gonna
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pay me for that that's iconic after
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thanking the quote-unquote gentleman
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nicely for being such good sports herb
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and Ed left
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my dad asked his father what he was
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doing during the melee he replied I was
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filing my nails
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as the fight is happening he's like I
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was filing my nails wow I love that a
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lot Ed and Herb are already icons but
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let's go to um this illegal adoption
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thing let's [ __ ] do it in the early
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1940s my grandfather owned and operated
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a currency exchange exchange in Cicero
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Illinois around the corner was a
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business owned and operated by Ralph
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Capone Al Capone's brother
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the office was used to collect money
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from bookies the numbers game Lottery
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and other amusements since Ralph Capone
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collected money in smaller dominations
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one dollar five dollar ten dollar bills
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he approached my grandfather about
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exchanging these small bills for larger
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ones including one thousand dollar bills
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that the government was taking out of
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circulation my grandfather obliged and
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got as many thousand dollar bills as he
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could and Ralph was very appreciated I
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did not know that there was ever a
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thousands an attractive 18 year old girl
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came to the currency exchange exchange
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regularly to cash her check my
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grandfather enjoyed talking with her
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because she was so pretty and kind well
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one day she came in looking very upset
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my grandfather asked her what was wrong
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was she ill she confessed that she was
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pregnant and her bro and her boyfriend
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had no intention of marrying her dick my
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grandfather remembered that his
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brother-in-law knew a couple interested
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in adopting adopting a baby and was
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growing impatient with the red tape my
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grandfather put two and two together and
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said to the girl I think I might be able
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to help you out when you come back next
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week I might have some good news for you
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oh he contacted the childless couple and
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told them the situation they agreed on
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an arrangement look at this guy just
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[ __ ] making things happen making
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dreams come true when the girl came in
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he told her his idea about placing the
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child with the couple and told her the
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financial compensation the couple was
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willing to pay all expenses including
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her hospital bills subsidize her wages
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while she was unable to work plus give
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her several thousand dollars as a gift
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oh my God after a brief meeting with her
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and her boyfriend everything was
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finalized she had a baby girl in the
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trans was made very smoothly everyone
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seemed very happy with the arrangement
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months later the baby daddy thought it
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over and felt that he could have and
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should have gotten more money
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you can get the [ __ ] out I love that he
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did not want to be there I thought you
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were going to say like oh he thought it
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over and he was like no no I want my
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baby back he just thought he should get
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more money for his child oh okay
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he went to I did so much work exactly he
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went to my grandfather and demanded that
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he received more money or my grandfather
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was going to have quote unquote a big
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problem with him okay he's like you
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don't know who I work with yeah after
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thinking it over my grandfather decided
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to go visit Ralph Capone to seek his
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advice there we go being an amateur
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actor my grandfather laid the story on
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so thick that it brought tears to the
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gangster's eyes oh my God Capone told my
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grandfather to tell the boyfriend to
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meet him at a certain location and he'll
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give him the additional money I am alive
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my grandfather did just as he was told
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and got to the meeting place a little
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early to wait the baby daddy showed up
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wearing a big smile walking towards my
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grandfather greedily looking forward to
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the money transaction at the same time
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two rough looking guys got out of their
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car they took the man by each of his
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arms dragged him into the car and sped
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away [ __ ] months later my grandfather
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was walking near his business and
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spotted the boyfriend walking towards
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him upon seeing my grandfather the
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boyfriend turned and ran in the opposite
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direction as fast as he could before 30s
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were [ __ ] wild I love it like there
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were days where you could just like [ __ ]
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somebody up for being a dick and
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everybody was just like and everybody
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was like yeah like I probably deserved
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it gonna look the other way yeah I'm
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gonna look the other way man it's
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[ __ ] wild wow that wasn't Valerie
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that was a good one that was a good
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old's tale yeah I loved it so much
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[Music]
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a few days before Christmas Janelle
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Matthews disappeared from her home
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there were no signs of a struggle no
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eyewitnesses no DNA recovered but what
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if the answer had always been there
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what if a true crime fanatic had been
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talking about the case was more than
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just an obsessive fan
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the groundbreaking True Crime podcast
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suspect is back with a new story that
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attempts to separate fact from fiction
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and one man's True Crime Obsession from
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a motive for murder he says don't work
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with me officer Edgerton I've buried
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more people than you'll know he's
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providing information that hadn't even
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been released to the news yet he's just
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a good liar that he can convince the
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juror that he wasn't involved follow
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suspect wherever you get your podcasts
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foreign
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and I think I'll love this next tale too
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oh this is a good this is a good title
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I'm getting hoarse oh that's not the
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title
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um it's entitled we could have been on
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Dateline oh no that's not good no that's
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not something you want to be on that is
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definitely not it it says hello I've
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attached a listener tail but a close
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call on vacation I call it we could have
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been on Dateline thank you for reading I
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don't know if I can say you're I can
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awesome it says hi ladies my name is
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Kristen you can use my name and all the
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names in the story thanks and this
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listener tells a collaboration of some
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of your most loyal listeners oh I love
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that well almost all of us one of us
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doesn't like spooky things it's probably
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my fault for making her watch The
00:18:22
Exorcist when she was 12. sorry Jody
00:18:24
sorry Jody sorry Jody I'm just kidding
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sorry just jokes we will all be so
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excited if you choose our storyboard
00:18:33
episode we'll be famous amongst our
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nearing middle-aged mom friends hell
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yeah we'll call them up and pour glasses
00:18:40
because you're famous baby are you about
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to make a big kid your name's gonna be
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in lights
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pictures you too Jody just kidding it's
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only a podcast
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yay this story is about a time when the
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four of us came close to being featured
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on an episode of dateline in the early
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2000s let's go back to the summer of
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2000. let's let's go back to that oh you
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know it's wild they're already trailing
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off I um have had that Jonas Brothers
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song stuck in my head I said
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and I'm getting homicide all over it and
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2 000 just reminded me if you think of
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it but anyways we're not going forward
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we're going backwards yeah the summer of
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2000 when four friends from Seattle
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named Emily Aaron Jody and Kristen
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that's you I think it is who just
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graduated from high school took their
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first trip together that is the most
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exciting trip yeah my grandfather owned
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a townhouse in Lake Tahoe and offered it
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to me and some friends uh for a week as
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a graduation gift what a fun way to
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celebrate our newly found quote-unquote
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adulthood of course we had parents who
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weren't going to let us go on chaperoned
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so Emily's Mom drove us down in Jody's
00:19:49
mom's minivan once we got to Tahoe
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Emily's mom set up her own vacation
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elsewhere so the four of us had the
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townhouse to ourselves let me just say
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that we were good girls like really good
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girls we created a pyramid of soda cans
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that we had consumed above the fireplace
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not beer cans oh my God you're me we
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went to a museum we swam in the lake we
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took one of those old-timey photos where
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we were dressed up like cowboy sex
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worker bank robbers the riskiest thing
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we did on this trip was go see a fortune
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teller in downtown Tahoe which make it
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made us feel like super cool Risk Takers
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oh my gosh
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it's so funny we were like just talking
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about we were I thought that was you the
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townhouse was a part of a large complex
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near Marina I was about to say marinara
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wow there's some marinara marinara
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near a fun chicken parmesan
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the townhouse was a mozzarella stick
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oh man I think morbid all the Dinos
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oh
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leave me alone
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[Laughter]
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all of the toe noses looked exactly the
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same from the outside our particular
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townhouse was three stories tall we
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walked in a front door from the driveway
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and up a set of stairs to the main
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living space with the kitchen and the
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living room then walked up another set
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of stairs to reach the top floor where
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the bedrooms were lots of walking there
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were two bedrooms one had double twin
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beds just off the hallway that's where
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Emily and Aaron slept at the end of the
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hallway was a master bedroom where Jody
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and I slept the bathroom had two doors
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one that led into the master bedroom and
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another into the hallway so you could
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walk from the master bedroom through the
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bathroom to get to into the hallway
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there was a queen-sized bed against the
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back wall and a little love seat next to
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the door that led to the hallway the
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master bedroom had a huge Skylight it
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also had a door that led to the outside
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we never used this door as it went down
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a long flight of steep stairs to the
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grassy common spaces between the two
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between the townhouses
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well one night after drinking more soda
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and watching The Cutting Edge or some
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other 90s rom-com we fell asleep
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it's important to note that at this time
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Jody had forgotten to pack pajamas oh oh
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that sucks and had just purchased
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purchased some that day on a trip to
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Target my favorite place
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she uh and I had been friends since we
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were two so we didn't super care about
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sharing a bed and undies at some point
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during the night I woke up from a deep
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sleep and noticed a large full moon
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Illuminating the bedroom at first I
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wasn't sure what had me wake up and I
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lay there taking stock of the room it
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was then that I heard loud snoring my
00:22:38
sleepy brain trying to make sense of the
00:22:40
situation assumed it was Emily snoring
00:22:42
sorry I'm not sure why I attributed love
00:22:45
story to you around the same moment I
00:22:47
also realized that Jody was saying
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something to me in a whisper voice
00:22:51
obviously the snoring had woken up Jody
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too I responded probably in a louder
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voice than I thought why is Emily
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snoring so loud Jody whispered back
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it's not Emily it's the man what my
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sleepy brain couldn't keep up with this
00:23:08
new information what man I said again
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probably in a voice that was louder than
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it should have been given the situation
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Jody shushed me and pointed it was then
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that I realized there was a very large
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man what the [ __ ] sound asleep on the
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love seat on the other side of the room
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next to the bedroom door perhaps three
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feet from our bed are you kidding me
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thank God Jody had woken up and made a
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plan because I was still processing the
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situation she whispered to me to get out
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of the bed on my side the furthest away
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for the man and quietly go through the
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bathroom door so we wouldn't have to
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walk right next to him to get out of the
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room remember this is two thousand we
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don't have cell phones so in order to
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get help we have to call from inside the
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house
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we go downstairs to the kitchen Jody
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picks up the largest knife in the
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kitchen just in case again she's
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thinking much more quickly than I am
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that's a Jody that's why Jody doesn't
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like spooky things she's lived spooky
00:24:03
things yeah Jody knows what the [ __ ] is
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it she's good she is she's preparing for
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the next thing you know and she calls
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9-1-1 from the kitchen phone I can hear
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the operator ask what's your emergency
00:24:14
Jody we're staying in a condo on
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vacation and we just woke up to a man
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asleep in our bedroom [ __ ] operator do
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you know the man [ __ ] why would I be
00:24:22
calling 9-1-1 come on man yeah
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bye see you later
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no we went to sleep and when we woke up
00:24:30
he was just there asleep on our couch
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operator you're sure you don't know this
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person you know what let me go check oh
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it's just Glenn oh yeah I forgot Glenn
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comes over and falls asleep sometimes
00:24:41
Jody no operator what's your address
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pause for us to frantically find the
00:24:47
address of the townhouse on a brochure
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or something on the kitchen counter
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operator you need to get out of the
00:24:52
house immediately the police are on
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their way
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[ __ ] I almost did it again marinara
00:24:56
sauce Marina security has been alerted
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get out of the house Jody but our our
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friends are still asleep upstairs
00:25:04
operator the police will be there soon
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get out of the house oh my God
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as fully grown adults we wondered why we
00:25:12
didn't go wake up Emily and Aaron to get
00:25:13
them out of the house but at the time it
00:25:15
just made sense to just get out okay
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well you were teenagers at the time and
00:25:18
somebody's telling you get out of the
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house did the right thing it's like the
00:25:22
end of black Christmas she wants to go
00:25:23
save everybody but they're already dead
00:25:25
but it's just so what are you gonna do
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get out of the [ __ ] house we hang up
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and I'm fairly certain Jody Put The
00:25:30
Knife back so we didn't meet the cops
00:25:31
with a large knife in our hands and head
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to the last set of stairs in our bare
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feet remember how Jody had just
00:25:36
purchased pajamas as we stand outside in
00:25:39
the driveway waiting for the police we
00:25:40
are somehow calm enough to joke that it
00:25:43
feels like we're in an episode of cops
00:25:44
and if Jody hadn't gotten pajamas that
00:25:47
day she'd be the crazy lady standing and
00:25:49
waiting for the police oh my God
00:25:51
it felt like the police and the marina
00:25:53
security were there within seconds we
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waited outside for a minute while the
00:25:57
police officers ask us about the
00:25:58
situation again yes there's a man on the
00:26:01
couch in the master bedroom no we don't
00:26:03
know him no we don't know how they got
00:26:05
in our fans are still asleep upstairs in
00:26:08
the room next to him because we're
00:26:10
barefooting on our PJs after assessing
00:26:12
the situation they have us come in and
00:26:14
sit on the couch while they talk to the
00:26:16
man eventually we see what seems like an
00:26:18
eight-foot guy walk down the stairs
00:26:20
escorted by two different police
00:26:22
officers behind him in PJs and with
00:26:25
their eyes as wide as I have ever seen
00:26:27
them walk Emily and Aaron
00:26:30
after he was gone the officers took us
00:26:32
into the master bedroom did you know
00:26:34
that the outside door to the bedroom
00:26:35
isn't locked what the [ __ ] what we had
00:26:39
locked the door or at least we thought
00:26:40
we had even though it was a few decades
00:26:43
before your podcast we already knew that
00:26:45
fresh air was for dead people hell yeah
00:26:46
and we for sure had locked that door
00:26:48
what we didn't know was that the lock
00:26:51
was broken we hadn't ever checked it
00:26:53
from the outside we had no idea that the
00:26:56
door which led directly into our bedroom
00:26:58
had been open the entire time
00:27:01
it turned out that this guy was staying
00:27:04
at another townhouse at the marina he
00:27:06
came back to what he thought was his
00:27:07
place completely wasted and walked up
00:27:10
the long steep staircase to our bedroom
00:27:12
which just happened to have a broken
00:27:14
lock holy [ __ ] we spent the rest of the
00:27:17
night playing Monopoly or some other
00:27:18
game that we found in the condo because
00:27:20
we certainly weren't going back to sleep
00:27:22
we definitely made some comments about
00:27:24
how we could have been on cops or Worse
00:27:26
Dateline if we'd actually gotten
00:27:28
murdered the next morning we all called
00:27:29
her parents and told them that we had to
00:27:31
call the police but it wasn't because of
00:27:32
anything we had done trust me remember
00:27:34
we were good girls they were all
00:27:37
thankful we were okay and the lock got
00:27:38
fixed within an hour reflecting on this
00:27:41
now as a parent I cannot imagine how
00:27:43
they must have felt getting that cold we
00:27:45
calmed our nerves by watching more 90s
00:27:47
rom-coms adding to the soda can pyramid
00:27:49
and playing more games hell yeah we
00:27:51
ended up having a really great trip
00:27:53
when I texted Emily asking if I should
00:27:55
write this story up as a listener tale
00:27:56
she said oh yes man we got so lucky yeah
00:28:00
you did we did get so lucky we very
00:28:03
easily could have become a full-fledged
00:28:05
episode of morbid four murdered girls on
00:28:07
a vacation in Lake Tahoe even though we
00:28:09
never saw the man again and his entering
00:28:11
our bedroom was apparently an innocent
00:28:13
drunken mistake Jody still swears that
00:28:15
she saw him giving her a creepy smirk
00:28:17
when he walked down the stairs with the
00:28:19
officers she still remembers how gross
00:28:21
it was he didn't even have the nerve to
00:28:23
look apologetic oh my God at the time we
00:28:25
didn't let ourselves think too much
00:28:27
about what could have happened what if
00:28:28
he'd stumbled and drunk and climbed into
00:28:30
bed with us what if he discovered he'd
00:28:32
hit the jackpot and found four innocent
00:28:34
Terror uh innocent teenage girls to
00:28:37
terrorize what if wow thank God the what
00:28:40
ifs didn't happen but you can bet that
00:28:42
every time I stay somewhere on vacation
00:28:44
I check that the law hell yeah you do
00:28:46
and now we will too
00:28:47
keep it weird ladies but not to worry
00:28:49
that you got intoxicated so intoxicated
00:28:50
that you accidentally fall asleep in
00:28:52
somebody else's vacation rental and
00:28:53
scare the living crap out of teenage
00:28:54
girls holy [ __ ] that is crazy bananas
00:28:57
I'm so glad that you survived and that
00:29:01
you're here you're here you're here I'm
00:29:05
just I'm amazed right now that you just
00:29:07
woke up to snoring yeah like woke up to
00:29:11
snoring and there was a giant man in
00:29:14
your room like no thank you and the fact
00:29:15
that you said you looked like he was
00:29:17
like eight feet tall when he woke up so
00:29:19
scared I'm amazed right now seriously my
00:29:23
next one is going to be the story of a
00:29:26
creepy lab partner in missing chloroform
00:29:28
because it speaks to me I love that it
00:29:30
says hi weirdos my name is Taylor and
00:29:34
yes you can use my name if you read this
00:29:35
on the podcast even if you just read it
00:29:38
to yourselves oh my God
00:29:41
yeah
00:29:42
back in August I was looking for a new
00:29:44
podcast to listen to and found morbid I
00:29:46
love all these new listeners I know by
00:29:48
the second episode I was hooked and
00:29:50
found my new favorite podcast
00:29:52
research and time you guys put into the
00:29:54
stories and now you focus on the victims
00:29:56
and their families and these terrible
00:29:57
crimes but you still spit the facts
00:29:59
about the case thank you thanks I sadly
00:30:02
have already caught up with all the old
00:30:03
episodes yes I work a very boring job at
00:30:06
the moment but at least I get to binge
00:30:07
listen to your podcast all day long I
00:30:10
love hearing your lives change and
00:30:11
everything exciting going on ash
00:30:13
congrats on your engagement and good
00:30:15
luck with the wedding planning I hope it
00:30:16
is the happiest day of your life thank
00:30:18
you so much I'm so kind Elena congrats
00:30:21
on the book I can't imagine writing a
00:30:23
book I will read it one day I promise
00:30:24
but I'm not a big book reader at the
00:30:26
moment since I just spent four years
00:30:27
reading chemistry textbooks that's fair
00:30:29
you know what I forgive you that's fine
00:30:32
I recently graduated with a degree in
00:30:34
forensic chemistry holy holy [ __ ] with
00:30:37
minors in biology criminal justice and
00:30:39
forensic science you're a badass I'm
00:30:41
about to join the police academy and
00:30:43
hopefully work my way to become a crime
00:30:45
scene investigator my dream job you're
00:30:47
the best you also kind of sound like you
00:30:49
went down a similar path I know I'm like
00:30:51
damn you're awesome
00:30:53
um I'm like yeah you're awesome
00:30:56
much I got it I got it as it came out of
00:31:00
my own mouth so if you can't tell I
00:31:03
really like True Crime I have always
00:31:04
thought of sending in a listener tail
00:31:06
but thought nothing in my life is as
00:31:07
interesting as the other Tales you have
00:31:09
read but I thought why the hell not YOLO
00:31:11
am I right I have attached my listener
00:31:13
tail in a double space potipha and it
00:31:15
takes about six minutes to read oh look
00:31:17
at you I am sorry for all the typos and
00:31:19
grammatical errors please don't get mad
00:31:21
at me I have never been good at writing
00:31:23
I'm gonna get pissed at you I'm already
00:31:25
pissed off but enjoy imagine if you're
00:31:29
serious imagine if we were like [ __ ] you
00:31:30
you know what on to the next fun get it
00:31:33
this story starts four years ago when I
00:31:36
was a very anxious sophomore in college
00:31:38
sitting in one of my chemistry labs when
00:31:40
some guy ends up sitting next to me and
00:31:42
asking to be my lab partner nope a tale
00:31:45
as old as time we exchanged numbers to
00:31:48
ask questions about lab in class and I
00:31:50
did not think of any anything of it
00:31:51
further into the semester he ended up
00:31:53
sitting next to me in our lecture
00:31:55
lecture portion of the class and would
00:31:57
start to say things very casually that
00:31:59
would make me feel uncomfortable uh-oh
00:32:02
one day we were talking about organic
00:32:04
chemistry and realized we had the same
00:32:06
female Professor but our classes were at
00:32:09
the diff at different times a few weeks
00:32:11
later we were talking about a test that
00:32:12
I did not do so hot on and he said don't
00:32:15
worry I will just force our professor to
00:32:17
sleep with me and blackmail her so
00:32:19
she'll give me and give you an a
00:32:21
what uh immediately after lab was over I
00:32:25
texted my then boyfriend about what
00:32:27
happened during lab and he felt that I
00:32:29
should try I should be nice to this guy
00:32:31
because he seemed like he could be
00:32:32
potentially dangerous based on the
00:32:34
things he would say and was worried
00:32:36
about my safety since we were a long
00:32:37
distance and I would walk to and from
00:32:39
campus by myself because I was not
00:32:40
paying 130 on to park on campus
00:32:43
um
00:32:44
you're not with that boyfriend right I
00:32:47
hope not because if his boyfriend says
00:32:52
then boyfriend dooming because like be
00:32:55
nice to this guy who makes you
00:32:57
uncomfortable [ __ ] that what that's dumb
00:33:01
advice yeah not really bad advice yeah I
00:33:04
don't know about that after this comment
00:33:06
I was nice to him during lab and avoided
00:33:08
him everywhere else but I would
00:33:10
eventually end up getting multiple texts
00:33:12
a day for me because you were nice you
00:33:14
were nice that's the thing you don't
00:33:15
have to be nice from a nice girly don't
00:33:18
be nice help everybody you know what
00:33:20
it's you don't need to do it it's just
00:33:22
not necessary be nice to people who are
00:33:23
nice to you and make you feel good
00:33:25
I hardly even answered any texts but he
00:33:27
was not seeming to get the hint and was
00:33:29
trying to get me to invite him over to
00:33:31
my apartment to study no obviously I
00:33:33
never told him where I lived and always
00:33:35
made up excuses since I didn't want to
00:33:37
reject him and make him mad I feel so
00:33:39
bad that you were in this situation I
00:33:41
know during the semester he would find
00:33:43
me when I was doing homework no matter
00:33:44
where I was on campus and would come sit
00:33:46
next to me in silence because no one
00:33:49
because no way am I trying to have a
00:33:50
conversation with this guy
00:33:52
the semester eventually came to an end
00:33:54
and I thought I would never have to see
00:33:56
or hear from him again boy was I wrong
00:33:59
oh no the next year was my junior year
00:34:01
and I decided to become a chemistry
00:34:03
laboratory teaching assistant look at
00:34:05
you damn before school started me and my
00:34:07
then boyfriend decided to break up this
00:34:09
is important later I promise I'm
00:34:11
actually pretty happy about that so fun
00:34:13
the week before school started they had
00:34:15
all all the chemistry student workers
00:34:17
come to a safety meeting because
00:34:19
chemistry Labs equal dangerous chemicals
00:34:21
I've heard that while I was sitting on a
00:34:23
lab bench waiting for the meeting to get
00:34:24
started guess who walked in through the
00:34:26
door no creepy ass lab partner turns out
00:34:29
he got a job working in the stock room
00:34:31
where he would be with all the lab
00:34:33
equipment and lab chemicals we made eye
00:34:35
contact and he immediately came and sat
00:34:37
next to me please move he was trying to
00:34:39
make conversation with me and asked
00:34:40
about my boyfriend and my dumbass told
00:34:43
him that we broke up a couple of weeks
00:34:45
prior Mama but you're like I shouldn't
00:34:48
have to lie no this then started but
00:34:50
like lie this then started the spam of
00:34:53
text messages every day telling me my
00:34:55
ex-boyfriend was stupid for breaking up
00:34:57
with me and blah blah blah once again I
00:35:00
never answered any of the messages
00:35:01
eventually he would start showing up to
00:35:03
the labs what that I was teaching and
00:35:05
would just sit there by my desk to try
00:35:08
to start conversation with while I was
00:35:10
helping a student understand the lab he
00:35:12
finally stopped showing up to my labs
00:35:14
but quickly started showing up to my
00:35:16
mandatory tutoring hours luckily a lot
00:35:19
of my students would also showed up to
00:35:20
my tutoring hours so I could help them
00:35:22
with the pre-lab for the next week so I
00:35:25
would never have to talk to him also
00:35:27
hearing all of these things is giving me
00:35:28
like like just like back to to chemistry
00:35:33
class me too like like getting the doing
00:35:36
the like pre-lab [ __ ] pre-labs man I
00:35:39
hated pre-labs
00:35:40
um it's just making me think of your
00:35:42
book yeah there you go this year on my
00:35:44
birthday when I got out of class he was
00:35:46
standing outside the door with a
00:35:48
birthday present what that I did not ask
00:35:50
for no I didn't know what to do so I
00:35:52
said Thank you and quickly walk to my
00:35:54
next class my senior year he ended up
00:35:56
being in one of my classes and sat in
00:35:58
front of me and would still text me
00:36:00
every single day like broey I'm not
00:36:02
answering no this semester he kept
00:36:05
texting me asking to meet him after
00:36:07
class which I would not do and would
00:36:10
awkwardly Sprint out of the class after
00:36:12
a few weeks of this happening he sent me
00:36:14
a very long text professing his love for
00:36:17
me I am very quickly texted back saying
00:36:19
I'm sorry but I am not interested and
00:36:22
don't see you that way good for you this
00:36:24
started the spamming of my phone where
00:36:26
he would be apologizing and that he
00:36:28
still wanted to be friends at this point
00:36:30
I was fed up with this so I responded
00:36:32
telling him that he was making me feel
00:36:33
very uncomfortable and to stop texting
00:36:36
me which of course he did not do and I
00:36:39
ended up blocking his number he would
00:36:41
then follow me from our class to my next
00:36:43
class apologizing but I did not care
00:36:45
anymore so I would walk with headphones
00:36:47
in and ignore every word he said he then
00:36:50
brought my birthday present to class to
00:36:52
give to me since I was no longer talking
00:36:54
to him this was in November and my
00:36:56
birthday is in February talk about
00:36:58
planning ahead since I blocked his
00:37:00
number he had started messaging me on
00:37:02
Instagram Facebook and found my Snapchat
00:37:04
after a while he eventually stopped
00:37:06
messaging me and I thought this whole
00:37:08
thing was behind me
00:37:10
I ended up meeting my now boyfriend yay
00:37:13
one day we were walking to his car
00:37:15
because he paid for a parking pass and I
00:37:17
was still too stubborn to pay for one
00:37:18
and we ran straight into creepy lab
00:37:21
partner I quickly put my head down and
00:37:23
played on my phone until we passed each
00:37:25
other and did not think anything of it
00:37:27
that night I got a very angry email from
00:37:30
him through our student emails saying
00:37:31
that I lied to him and to go [ __ ] myself
00:37:33
and many other mean comments about how I
00:37:36
how terrible I was for telling him I
00:37:38
didn't want did not want to date him in
00:37:40
cell Behavior yep his tone went from
00:37:43
being sorry to being pissed at this
00:37:45
point I had no idea what to do so I did
00:37:47
the only thing I could think of I called
00:37:49
my parents and told them about the email
00:37:51
since they knew everything else was
00:37:52
going on they both got very worried and
00:37:54
told me I needed to go tell someone on
00:37:56
campus that I trusted and explain the
00:37:58
whole situation in case something did
00:38:00
happen the next day I went and talked to
00:38:02
my amazing boss who encouraged me to go
00:38:04
straight to the head of security of the
00:38:06
chemistry chemistry Department after
00:38:08
here excuse me head of the chemistry
00:38:10
environment after hearing the whole
00:38:12
story and sat with me while I talked to
00:38:14
the head of the chem department they
00:38:16
then told me that I should go to campus
00:38:17
police and make a formal report
00:38:19
so the next day my loving boyfriend
00:38:21
drove me to the police station I then
00:38:24
gave my statement to some police officer
00:38:25
that made me feel like I was
00:38:27
overreacting and making this a bigger
00:38:28
deal than it really was a douchebag is
00:38:31
what you mean so I ended up feeling like
00:38:32
I made a mistake and felt stupid for
00:38:35
this whole situation the officer told me
00:38:37
since he never threatened me they really
00:38:39
couldn't do anything it's wild like the
00:38:42
[ __ ] like you have to get hurt for
00:38:45
them to do so yeah literally but like
00:38:46
has he like tried to stab you though yet
00:38:48
no and if he does that let us know for
00:38:51
sure seriously I decided to move on with
00:38:53
my life and never been thought that
00:38:55
everything was behind me but nope I was
00:38:57
wrong again oh no the next week one of
00:38:59
my ta friends told me that creepy lab
00:39:01
partner was in the library with her and
00:39:03
a friend and he in a friend and he made
00:39:06
a comment about how easy it would be to
00:39:07
steal chloroform from the stockrooms he
00:39:11
did not think anything of it until the
00:39:13
next day when she remembered everything
00:39:15
that I had told her she quickly went to
00:39:17
report to the department head and I went
00:39:19
to class that night me and my roommates
00:39:21
were playing board games when I got a
00:39:23
call from a random number on my phone
00:39:24
turns out it was the department head and
00:39:27
he wanted to let me know that he heard
00:39:28
the com about the comment and went to
00:39:30
check the chloroform and some of it was
00:39:32
missing oh my God I immediately broke
00:39:35
down in tears on our porch because holy
00:39:37
[ __ ] he then went on to tell me that he
00:39:39
already contacted campus police and made
00:39:41
them aware of this the part that really
00:39:44
sucked was I had a chemistry test the
00:39:46
next day that I did not get at that I
00:39:48
did not get out of obviously I failed
00:39:51
the [ __ ] out of that time
00:39:52
the next day the department had walked
00:39:55
into my lab and told me that the
00:39:57
stockroom assistant counted wrong and
00:39:59
there was no missing chloroform are you
00:40:01
[ __ ] kidding me I would have been
00:40:02
like so I'm retaking the test [ __ ]
00:40:04
I'd be pissed after talking with my
00:40:06
friend that reported the comment it
00:40:08
turns out she was good friends with the
00:40:10
stockroom assistant who checked and
00:40:12
there were still some missing but no one
00:40:14
knew where it was
00:40:16
wow so the stockroom assistant is trying
00:40:18
to like save his butt by being like I
00:40:20
didn't lose any chlorophy exactly after
00:40:23
talking to some of the other chemistry
00:40:25
student workers creepy lab partner was
00:40:27
making multiple other girls very
00:40:29
uncomfortable that is not shocking so
00:40:31
after all of that we have no idea if he
00:40:34
took the missing chloroform and I
00:40:36
finally graduated and got to move out of
00:40:38
that small town and away from creepy lab
00:40:40
partner so that is the story of creepy
00:40:42
lab partner I still feel like I
00:40:44
overreact you did not but it happened
00:40:46
and I can't change it so oh well I guess
00:40:48
keep it weird weirdos but not so weird
00:40:50
Ash take it away I'm not good with words
00:40:52
girly me either but don't keep it so
00:40:55
weird that you [ __ ] steal some
00:40:57
chloroform out of a [ __ ] place where
00:40:59
they keep chloroform
00:41:02
that chloroform place I just feel like
00:41:05
students should not be in charge of
00:41:07
chloroform that's my take away from this
00:41:09
that is my hot take with Ash I'll take
00:41:12
with Ash maybe we put like the teachers
00:41:16
in charge of the chloroform I just I
00:41:18
don't I don't know about this guys
00:41:20
I feel like we should have some more
00:41:22
protocol in place
00:41:24
Kim
00:41:25
are wild things I mean sounds like it
00:41:29
it's wild west chem students are Wilding
00:41:36
um yeah oh man you did but can we just
00:41:38
point out you did not overreact yeah no
00:41:41
you did not overreact at all and I hate
00:41:43
that somebody made you feel better and
00:41:44
there is no such thing I personally
00:41:46
believe there's no such thing as
00:41:48
overreacting when it comes to your
00:41:50
feelings about your personal safety yeah
00:41:52
absolutely I don't give a [ __ ] if
00:41:54
somebody makes you think that you're
00:41:56
overreacting because [ __ ] that person
00:41:58
exactly it's like if oh I'm sorry am I
00:42:01
stressing you out with my feelings yeah
00:42:03
about somebody being a dick to me that's
00:42:06
your job campus police officer seriously
00:42:11
[Music]
00:42:21
thank you
00:42:23
oy Bay well I think we've got time to
00:42:26
read one more listen which one are we
00:42:28
gonna do I picked my roommate was slowly
00:42:31
being replaced by her doppelganger and
00:42:32
her haunted chair Factory yeah you did
00:42:35
pick that because I wanted to know a lot
00:42:36
about the haunted chairs and I wanted to
00:42:39
know if the doppelganger was a
00:42:42
um live person or if they had once been
00:42:44
a live person and they are now a ghost I
00:42:47
also want to know that well let's find
00:42:48
out [ __ ] hello Deb dab and maybe
00:42:51
Ash and Elena if I charm and Dazzle dub
00:42:53
dub enough you did you did it let me
00:42:56
address a couple pieces of business
00:42:57
before we get into the fun you can call
00:42:59
me Nick Nick all names have been changed
00:43:02
attached is a double space puttifa it's
00:43:04
short but it hopefully packs a
00:43:06
[ __ ] punch the [ __ ]
00:43:08
and now for the affection you ladies
00:43:10
have saved my life in more ways than you
00:43:12
know thank you keep doing what you're
00:43:14
doing you're working uh maintains some
00:43:16
karmic order in the universe I'm
00:43:18
convinced with all my luck Nick that was
00:43:20
so sweet
00:43:21
all right it says until now I didn't
00:43:24
think I had any Tales to send in but
00:43:26
alas there was the doppelganger Affair
00:43:28
the doppelganger Affair oh just that I'm
00:43:30
a medical student another family who was
00:43:33
getting ready to match in my reg [ __ ] I
00:43:37
am a medical student who is getting
00:43:38
ready to match into my residency program
00:43:40
there you go thanks I'm trying to match
00:43:42
into plastic and reconstructive surgery
00:43:44
which is hard to do because it's very
00:43:46
competitive you're about to be on that
00:43:48
show Nip Tuck there you go I would love
00:43:50
to just nail people back together after
00:43:51
reference
00:43:54
um put a topical reference I think I was
00:43:56
thinking of it from the SNL oh yeah
00:44:03
I would love to just nail people back
00:44:05
together after an accident or cancer or
00:44:07
animal attack Etc yeah just nail people
00:44:09
back together and snip and tuck them
00:44:11
back together returning someone to some
00:44:13
idea of normalcy after disfiguring
00:44:15
tragedy would be the greatest honor of
00:44:16
my life wow I really like you you are so
00:44:19
kind you're a really cool person Nick I
00:44:21
know but anyway I currently live with my
00:44:24
lovely black Kitty who I adore who I
00:44:26
love more than my own life I just really
00:44:28
yeah I was like you love them no you
00:44:31
know you adore them we are bound to each
00:44:34
other and we'll continue to meet
00:44:35
lifetime after a lifetime into eternity
00:44:37
that's how I feel about Bobo that's how
00:44:39
I feel about Drew
00:44:41
um and my partner he's for like animals
00:44:43
yeah well and my cats obviously and my
00:44:46
partner he's here too but before living
00:44:48
with them I lived with two other
00:44:50
students in a converted chair Factory in
00:44:52
the industrial area of our city both
00:44:55
women were working on their doctorates
00:44:57
in physiology holy [ __ ]
00:44:59
uh we all met while working in the
00:45:01
research lab I got into when I was
00:45:03
finishing my Master's in physiology I'm
00:45:06
a professional student as you can see oh
00:45:08
yeah the ladies will call them Amy and
00:45:10
Sarah spent a lot of time in class in
00:45:12
the lab working on Research or in the
00:45:14
library writing up their findings Sarah
00:45:16
was a little hummingbird of a person oh
00:45:18
I love that always talking to whoever
00:45:19
and having a whole last conversation
00:45:21
extroverted freak what's that like I
00:45:24
didn't say that they did Amy was me
00:45:26
Ultra introverted but also but able to
00:45:29
mingle and drain the social battery when
00:45:31
absolutely necessary that tidbit of
00:45:34
information will be important later the
00:45:37
chair Factory turned apartment building
00:45:38
was an impeding six-story structure that
00:45:41
stood gazing South to the heart of
00:45:43
downtown Detroit oh I see that what a
00:45:47
beautiful sentence I see that if I was
00:45:49
an English teacher a plus a plus a plus
00:45:52
plus
00:45:53
the apartment was Aloft with high
00:45:55
ceilings and massive picture windows I
00:45:57
[ __ ] love a picture window that
00:45:59
brought me to my knees when the heating
00:46:00
building every month yeah except for
00:46:02
that from some quick research the
00:46:04
factory opened around 1910 on the
00:46:06
outskirts of an area known as the black
00:46:08
bottom which is northeast of downtown
00:46:11
Detroit it was named for the rich dark
00:46:13
soil in the area that was framed or nope
00:46:16
that was farmed by frame settlers that
00:46:19
soil didn't do it it was framed by those
00:46:22
French settlers it was fun by the French
00:46:25
settlers in the prior centuries the area
00:46:28
then became a prominent place for black
00:46:30
detroiters around the turn of the 20th
00:46:32
century
00:46:33
they built up the area into a rich
00:46:35
successful neighborhood by the 1960s it
00:46:38
had appeared with Urban noted
00:46:40
disappeared sorry my contacts are
00:46:42
getting so dry
00:46:44
and then I get um Blind by the 1960s and
00:46:47
then I get um blind I wish you could see
00:46:50
my hand motion it just like threw my
00:46:53
hands out by the 1960s it had
00:46:56
disappeared with the urban renewal that
00:46:58
was happening in Detroit like a lot of
00:47:00
buildings in Detroit leading up to the
00:47:02
city firing bankruptcy in 2015. the
00:47:05
factories had abandoned until good old
00:47:07
gentrification swooped in and the
00:47:09
factory was converted into needlessly
00:47:11
expensive apartments that people living
00:47:13
in the area for Generations could never
00:47:15
afford
00:47:16
that does suck all of that to say this
00:47:19
building was old and creepy as [ __ ] hell
00:47:21
yeah thanks for that little history
00:47:22
lesson I like it I was mostly alone for
00:47:25
the duration of the day while Amy and
00:47:26
Sarah were at school curing cancer or
00:47:28
whatever it is they were hearing cancer
00:47:30
you know I would stream my lectures
00:47:32
online because your girl has raging ADHD
00:47:34
and bipolar disorder so I have a hard
00:47:36
time sitting still and patiently waiting
00:47:38
for class to be over respectively
00:47:40
because people with mental health issues
00:47:43
can be doctors as well hell yeah hell
00:47:45
yeah let this be a lesson to the
00:47:47
doubters a mentally ill black girl who
00:47:49
was covered in tattoos who grew up well
00:47:51
below the poverty line her entire life
00:47:53
is going to be a doctor [ __ ] yeah where
00:47:56
there's a will there's a mother [ __ ]
00:47:59
way and I added the [ __ ] Nick
00:48:01
Nick Nick Nick Nick Dr Nick doctor
00:48:04
doctor
00:48:07
but like I was saying I spent my days
00:48:09
alone until my roommate Sarah started
00:48:12
coming home oh I know where we're headed
00:48:13
oh
00:48:14
not Sarah
00:48:16
uh she started coming home mid-afternoon
00:48:19
a few days a week I didn't think much of
00:48:21
this because she was in her fifth year
00:48:22
working on her dissertation so I figured
00:48:25
writing at home was better for her Zen
00:48:26
or for her writing Zen or whatever I
00:48:29
would say hi in other pleasantries she
00:48:31
would always simply nod and disappear
00:48:32
into her room there were instances a few
00:48:35
days later when Sarah came home early
00:48:37
while I studied at the dining room table
00:48:39
I smiled slightly and asked her a
00:48:42
question about a professor whose lab she
00:48:44
worked in hey how's Mr Miller doing
00:48:46
nothing
00:48:47
she just stared at me with a small
00:48:49
Pleasant smile on her face thinking she
00:48:52
just didn't hear me I repeated the
00:48:53
question how's Dr Miller
00:48:55
again nothing just that stare after what
00:48:59
felt like six hours she broke our mutual
00:49:01
stare and casually walked into her room
00:49:03
she's a tall gray yeah she's a tall gray
00:49:07
that's what she is not a tall drink of
00:49:10
water tall tall gray much different
00:49:12
thoroughly freaked out I tried to shake
00:49:14
it off and focus on my little doctor
00:49:16
notes about two hours later I heard a
00:49:19
set of keys jingle outside the front
00:49:21
door I looked up to greet Amy coming
00:49:23
through the door but the sum of my
00:49:24
internal organs fell through the floor
00:49:26
when I saw Sarah walk through the door
00:49:29
again what the [ __ ] I wish I could say I
00:49:32
did something smart like tell Sarah what
00:49:34
happened or launch an investigation like
00:49:36
the true scientists we are but I'm a
00:49:38
freeze kind of girl I stared I stared a
00:49:42
hole through my laptop while Sarah
00:49:43
chatted eagerly about her day and filled
00:49:46
to fitted flitted around the apartment
00:49:48
never breaking the stream of
00:49:49
Consciousness flowing from her lips to
00:49:51
take a breath shortly Amy was also doing
00:49:54
the Jingle at the door and stepping over
00:49:55
the threshold now that there was power
00:49:58
in numbers I worked up the courage to
00:50:00
ask Sarah another question hey Sarah did
00:50:03
you come home for lunch today
00:50:05
oh my God I thought you said Hey Siri oh
00:50:08
my god oh was that your computer that
00:50:10
was my computer being like yeah oh my
00:50:12
gosh I heard that weird noise and then
00:50:14
there was like a drop in the room next
00:50:16
to me like slightly because it's like
00:50:17
creaking or something and I just [ __ ]
00:50:19
myself they're cool not actively
00:50:22
um sorry I'm sorry I'm I'm sorry that
00:50:26
just scared the [ __ ] out of me okay uh
00:50:29
so Sarah did you come home for lunch
00:50:30
today that was an invitation to detail
00:50:33
her entire afternoon oh no I went to
00:50:36
blah blah blah blah blah no blah blah
00:50:38
blah blah blah did not include our
00:50:39
apartment to stare at me like a tiny
00:50:41
smiling psycho oh [ __ ] I tried to
00:50:43
downplay the question because I was
00:50:45
questioning my sanity at this point I
00:50:47
said Oh I thought I came home a couple
00:50:49
hours ago must have been another day I
00:50:51
was thinking of she continued I haven't
00:50:54
come home for lunch in a while weird
00:50:56
what the [ __ ] nope nope I hate that I
00:51:00
hate that all those times I saw her come
00:51:02
home early wasn't her what this peak
00:51:05
Jamie attention like at all I've seen
00:51:08
you here recently I've seen you here
00:51:10
early too recently what I loved and
00:51:13
hated that validation I wasn't on the
00:51:16
verge of psychosis but I was still
00:51:18
seeing something that I should not be
00:51:20
seeing but what do you do about that we
00:51:23
basically went on living Our Lives
00:51:24
knowing that there was a creepy silent
00:51:26
version of Sarah wandering around our
00:51:28
apartment
00:51:29
doppelgamer gangers are a sign that bad
00:51:31
things are coming are they not that's
00:51:33
what I've heard so
00:51:35
and I wasn't particularly interesting in
00:51:37
finding out what Final Destination [ __ ]
00:51:40
was a [ __ ] yeah me neither but I want to
00:51:42
know that I want to know now because I'm
00:51:44
not in there I was in that [ __ ]
00:51:46
apartment I'd be like well you know we
00:51:48
don't know things so if I was in that
00:51:49
apartment I would literally break the
00:51:51
[ __ ] out of my lease and live anywhere
00:51:53
else that's just like if I was in that
00:51:55
apartment I would not be in that
00:51:57
apartment that's exactly where I would
00:51:58
be not there another few weeks passed
00:52:01
without a sight of Silence era oh until
00:52:04
one night oh to preface I have the
00:52:06
bladder of a small puppy
00:52:15
I got up two or three times every night
00:52:18
to go potty so per my usual schedule I
00:52:21
awoke with my bladder screaming for
00:52:23
Relief I crawled out of bed and I
00:52:25
stepped toward the door of my bedroom oh
00:52:27
no oh [ __ ] no no no [ __ ]
00:52:31
no oh my God upon opening my bedroom
00:52:34
door the form of Sarah stood outside my
00:52:37
door softly lit by Christmas lights
00:52:40
strung Around My Room no [ __ ] that
00:52:42
smiling softly she turned and nearly
00:52:44
drifted to the bathroom leaving me
00:52:46
stunned so I thought [ __ ] I need to go
00:52:49
in there
00:52:50
in that moment my bladder needed me to
00:52:53
assert my dominance it needed me to be
00:52:56
the head [ __ ] in charge in that moment
00:52:58
and kick silent Sarah out of the potty
00:53:01
fully expecting to be dragged to Hell
00:53:03
through the drain of the shower I
00:53:05
approached the bathroom and flicked on
00:53:07
the light
00:53:08
nothing just an empty bathroom boy fully
00:53:12
expecting to be dragged to Hell through
00:53:14
the dream and that's everything we
00:53:16
didn't see silence Sarah after that we
00:53:19
all moved out and went on with our
00:53:20
respective careers hate to end it like
00:53:22
that the life doesn't always deliver a
00:53:24
perfect Story start to finish regardless
00:53:26
I wish you ladies the best of luck with
00:53:28
life family and business and any
00:53:29
Endeavors you have before you and all
00:53:33
you you too Nick all my love Dr Nick
00:53:37
hell yeah Nick how [ __ ] yeah
00:53:39
that one was the scariest thing I've
00:53:42
ever heard in my [ __ ] life that was
00:53:44
so creepy I I I just don't buy it
00:53:48
genuinely this is so foul but I think I
00:53:50
genuinely would have found a bottle to
00:53:53
pee in that night yeah I'm not jokes
00:53:56
potentially yes the one the Hondo P yes
00:54:00
yeah I don't think I'd be going in that
00:54:02
I got that from somebody and I can't
00:54:04
think of who I got that from what Hondo
00:54:08
P hundo P I've been saying it a lot
00:54:10
lately like you know 100 but like hundo
00:54:13
P I must have got it from somebody on
00:54:15
Bravo
00:54:16
probably just gotta give credit where
00:54:18
credit's due that gives lots of Bravo
00:54:21
Vibes yeah well anyways this has been
00:54:23
listener Tales wow I'm really happy to
00:54:25
be back I don't remember if I was on the
00:54:26
last one or not
00:54:28
um I think I don't think I was oh you
00:54:30
think I was okay maybe I'm not really
00:54:32
sure where we are in the rotation we had
00:54:34
special guest Sheena melwani and trid on
00:54:36
it when we did they're beautiful souls I
00:54:38
[ __ ] love them with my whole entire
00:54:40
being she's my beautiful luna moth yeah
00:54:43
she's just my shishi yeah and if anybody
00:54:45
else calls her that I'll kill you I'll
00:54:47
kill you
00:54:49
so love you guys and we hope you keep
00:54:52
listening we hope you keep
00:54:55
but also weird that you call my best
00:54:57
friend shishi because I'll kill you not
00:55:00
as weird as we've been keeping it
00:55:01
tonight
00:55:02
it's late it's late I was here
00:55:06
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