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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and
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this is morbid
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[Music]
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my bed
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[Laughter]
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is it how are you how are you what do
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you want to do I want to record Mama
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today okay that's why we're done
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yesterday that's what we'll do today
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yeah we are on Tick Tock too much that's
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accurate I think I think everybody
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relates to that statement yeah or
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sentiment if you will I think so I think
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Tick Tock is everybody's place do you
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think that it like is like low-key
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taking over our brains or something yeah
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for sure absolutely my brain is [ __ ]
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crazy anyway somebody take that [ __ ]
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over I was gonna take the wheel of my
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brain to like Tick Tock Take the Wheel
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Take the Wheel
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I went into it far too confidently
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that's okay we love blind confidence
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pink squirrely we love it thanks you
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know such a supportive partner
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I try you do a good job I give it a shot
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at least I'll you know good job you know
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it's the beginning of the week we're
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we're wild we're crazy we're kooky I'm
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coming off a vacay Bay Bay a vacay not
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really I'm coming off of like a long
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weekend I am coming off of a weekend of
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many kids birthday parties so yeah that
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sounds [ __ ] that's where I am right
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now I was at Universal this past weekend
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I was living my life it looked like fun
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it was great it was great oh your kids
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birthday parties and you know they were
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kids birthday parties that answer is not
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that was that but the kids had fun and
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that's all that matters hell yeah so
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there's that but I have a case today
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that's just really gross oh
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um this person is a very gross person
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they usually are they usually are this
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one just like it's like it just is a lot
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here and there's and he's a liar he's
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one of those that lies a lot about what
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he does yeah this guy is definitely a
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liar
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um and he also he lies so much that it
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was like an interesting to scrape
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together the facts of his life because
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he is such a [ __ ] liar so that's good
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that gets tough sometimes yeah so Dave
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and I did our best to make sure that you
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always do we did our best here but I
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think this story is really sad it's
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another case of
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um people targeting sex workers and
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people that they can they think will not
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be missed that's nice you know one of
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those terrible things so we are going to
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talk about the case of Joe Matheny I
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don't know if I know this one I've heard
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it pronounced Metheny too but I think
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it's Metheny that's what I've heard more
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so I'm gonna go with that one
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um but he's terrible so
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we're going to start you off on December
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15
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1996. the year that Ash was born yeah
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and also the year scream came out I
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wasn't here yet though you weren't here
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yet uh well no you were it was December
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of 1996.
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yep you're right I was here wow wow guys
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I I didn't want to correct you on that
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but you were like the world will like I
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felt I felt compelled to you know
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because I was in my head I was working
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fast here in my head I was like oh
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December so yeah of that year like I
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wasn't here yet but so that's the very
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tale end so I was like you're smack dab
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in the middle but I was only like six
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months so I was oh you didn't really
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hear what was going on for sure for sure
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it's not about me at all so bye but
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there we go just 1996. um on that day
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December 15th Baltimore Police
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discovered Baltimore Maryland they
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discovered the body of 23 year old
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Kimberly Spicer
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she had been buried under a trailer on
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the property of a pallet Factory in the
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city's Southwest side
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uh later that same day police did arrest
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the suspect Joseph Roy Matheny uh he was
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a man who actually lived and worked at
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the factory at the time he was living on
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the grounds uh where Spicer's body was
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discovered and it didn't take long when
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they arrested him to suddenly start
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connecting the dots to other murders of
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women in the Baltimore Baltimore area as
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well I was worried you were going to say
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that what's Wild is this is only a
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fraction of the things that he confessed
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to oh right here he confessed to a
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myriad of awful awful things and do you
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think all of his confessions are for
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real no okay I don't which no which is
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like a whole other set of gross that
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like he just came up with these things
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and was like I did them claimed them
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even like they're [ __ ] yeah so let's
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talk about who Joe Matheny was so you
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can get an idea of what we're working
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with here okay Joseph Roy Matheny was
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born March 2nd 1955 in Baltimore
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Maryland he was one of six children he
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was born to parents Audra Earl and Gene
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Matheny I love the name Audra that's a
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it is a cool name it's just like a cute
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name yeah Audra I think one of the girls
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in um girls next door was named yeah
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there was an Audra yeah around there for
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sure now after he was arrested Joe did
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claim Joe Matheny claimed that he had
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been raised in a very abusive home he
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had a terrible childhood he was very
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neglected very abused by his parents and
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he said that he was like shuffled around
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to different homes almost like a
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foster-like situation by his parents now
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according to his mother
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uh she said that Joe was a very normal
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boy growing up he was smart he was nice
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he had a good childhood there wasn't
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anything of note if he was neglected she
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said and this was this was her own words
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she said if he was neglected it was his
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own fault
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huh which I was like that's that's
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questionable that that statement that
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was weird way to word that weird way to
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move like if he was neglected as a child
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well that was his own fault I feel like
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that's like that's the exact opposite of
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that but
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she claims none of her children were
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ever abused they were never placed in
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homes I could not find any records and
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neither could Dave to indicate that he
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was placed in any kind of homes growing
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up like also we couldn't find any
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reports that said that there was like
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any phone calls to any social services
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or anything like that this was the 50s
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of course in like the early 60s so keep
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that in mind but from the sounds of it
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he is he is kind of exaggerating uh how
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bad his childhood was that's what that's
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what this seems to be the collective
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thought one if he has like a pattern of
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exaggeration that he lies about
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everything exactly so that he very much
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exaggerates a lot about his life so I
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mean he even claims at one point that he
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has a son he doesn't what yeah so weird
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thing to lie about yeah when he was
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young for a Time the family lived in
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West Virginia
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um and this is where Joe's father worked
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as a laborer and he ended he at first he
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was the only income for the family which
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especially of the time period that is
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very common yeah but unfortunately when
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Joe was only six years old his father
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died in a car accident oh man uh yeah
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and it was in Terra Ulta I believe West
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Virginia now obviously the entire family
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this is six children a lot of kids to
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provide yeah and like obviously the
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emotional toll was outrageous they're
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all reeling after the loss of their
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father who by all accounts he he claimed
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mostly his mom with the abuse stuff like
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he didn't really claim it like he
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claimed it against all of them but like
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it seemed like that he was just like a
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working hard kind of guy like took care
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of his family the father yeah yeah so
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like they all were really devastated by
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it so while also dealing with this
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emotional toll and with grieving their
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father
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um Audrey Matheny the mom had to now
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start working full-time just to support
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all six of these kids out of nowhere you
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know like a very sudden switch and
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everything so see that's kind of to me
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him being shuffled around to different
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homes yeah different people probably
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watched him all provided for the family
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that's what it probably is it was
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probably that kind of thing because she
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worked as a waitress she was a delivery
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driver for like a food service she was a
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bartender she would take any job it
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seemed like she was really like working
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her ass off to keep this family afloat
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yeah and although they you know it's
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they all agree they weren't able to
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afford anything you know that we may
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take for granted most of us like very
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like even the smallest of luxuries yeah
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she kept her family afloat during this
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time they were able to pay their bills
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and she she was able to feed her
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children and that's like the most
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important thing so they weren't
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neglected in that way and she was quoted
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as saying it was very hard on me I had
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to work to support the family and I did
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everything I could to keep my kids
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together yeah and so not only did she
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lose her husband which like
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like I can't imagine right there then
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you have to leave all your kids who
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you're used to being home with yeah and
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work your ass off yeah and now they are
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going to be shuffled around to different
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people babysitting them or them taking
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care of the little ones like right at
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least you know it sounds like she at
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least tried to support this family as
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best she could yeah that's a lot on your
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plate now again by most accounts like
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neighbors friends all that
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he had a very normal childhood they all
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say that they're like this wasn't like a
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crazy family that everybody was like
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what's going on there yeah he was a good
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student in reality like you didn't
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struggle in school he stayed out of
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trouble yeah wasn't his Troublemaker
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didn't get in trouble the police didn't
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get in trouble with teachers that's
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interesting yeah none of that he was a
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relatively average kid just nothing of
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note nothing nothing of note poorly and
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nothing of note like spectacularly yeah
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um in Joe's version of the story though
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he says that he made it only to eighth
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grade and then he dropped out and he
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received his high school equivalency and
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that's not true it's not true he has a
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diploma yeah he did he made it through
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school like what and when he turned 18
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in 1973 he joined the army and his mom
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is like oh yeah he did he joined the
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army and he was stationed in Germany but
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Joe says that he was sent straight to
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Vietnam in the final years of the war
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and then he spent nearly two years
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studying physics and serving in the
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artillery unit and then that it was
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during this time that he claims he this
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is when he began struggling with a
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heroin addiction okay now this is untrue
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like the the service yeah he did not go
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to Vietnam but yeah all accounts nobody
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can can say that but I again I don't
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know why he says this like it's just
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like you served that's impressive like
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why are you trying to make it something
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it's not you know but
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either way this was a lie and Joe's time
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in the military though like no matter
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what it was definitely took a toll on
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him and on his relationship with his
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family yeah
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um and it actually really common yeah
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and if this was actually when he was
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done with the service it was actually
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the beginning of a 10-year
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like period where he didn't speak to his
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mother oh wow yeah like his mother and
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him did not speak so that is interesting
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so that's that that's the thing there's
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things there that we don't know we don't
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know what happened there by all accounts
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it wasn't a wildly outwardly abusive
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home but no one ever knows what's going
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on no behind closed doors you look at
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any of these things and it's like you
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can find out horrible stories and be
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like what that just passed by that house
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it looks like a normal house oh yeah
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like I don't hear anything I don't see
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anything totally so
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who knows either he lies a lot so I'm
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sure it's an amalgamation of lies and
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truths yeah he sounds like pathological
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um but during his trial later when he
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was arrested for his crimes he actually
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told his attorney and the investigators
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that both of his parents were dead
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but then a reporter tracked down his mom
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and she was alive what so yeah
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um and he said after after um he was
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arrested in 1996 his mom actually said
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he just kept drifting further and
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further away from me which could be a
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number of reasons you know now it's
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unclear exactly when he returned to
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Baltimore Maryland from West Virginia
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but he was arrested by Baltimore Police
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in April 1988 for drug possession so he
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did struggle with addiction okay
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um he was found guilty for that he was
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fined a hundred dollars the arrest for
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possession kind of shows the beginning
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of this very consistent struggle with
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addiction and legal troubles that we see
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in his life from here on out he seems to
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be in a constant state of struggling
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with this
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um in 1988 he began working for Joe
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Stein and Sons which was a company that
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makes and sells wooden pallets
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um his employment history was never
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really consistent he was a truck driver
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at one point like there was a lot of
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different things he would kind of
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disappear for long periods of times from
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this job but
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Stein and Sons the owners of this Pallet
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company they liked him they had a soft
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spot and they always were willing to
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hire him back every time he left there's
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always that one and have you ever like
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worked somewhere where that's been the
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case and you're like how does this
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person get away with what they get away
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with and I come in late and I get like
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reamed the [ __ ] out but there's always
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that person that they just have a soft
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spot for yeah that this was Joe and this
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is what's wild about him because when
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you read about him and what he's done
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and things he said and his confessions
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he's a [ __ ] monster a monster to the
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highest order was he able to just like
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turn something on do you think that's
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something I have no idea what his deal
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is and I can't even begin to to
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speculate on it because I have no
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[ __ ] clue because people liked him
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yeah he was a likable guy in his social
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relationships for the most part and in
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his like workplaces people liked him
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like these people hired him back all the
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time right they weren't thinking he was
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some awful guy and being like oh we're
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just because if he was acting out there
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then they would just be like cool like
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it's easy to be rid of him no if he just
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leaves we can be like we can't hire you
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back you just left right but
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it's very strange but he would show back
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up to Stein and Sons looking for work
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and they would just hire him back and
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actually later after he was arrested
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later one of the co-workers there said
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he was a joy just kidding and carrying
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on he made the day pass by wow so he's
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one of those guys that you're literally
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like you made my day pass by like you
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look forward to working with him which
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is like
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on the other side of the planet to what
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he says and does that's so weird on his
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other like side of him but that's the
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thing it's like I always think of that
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that um Ted Bundy thing where he's like
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acting totally like regular in corn and
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it's just like and then see the switch
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and you see the eyes go like animalistic
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these people that do these kind of
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things they can switch it that's and
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that's how they find their victims you
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know so scary because they charm their
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victims into like unsafe situation or a
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yeah a situation where they can get them
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it's true but also because he was
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constantly struggling with addiction in
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his work history was in flux all the
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time so was his housing status he never
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knew where he was going to stay right he
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never could keep something for a long
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period of time he would sleep on Friends
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couches a lot
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stay at a lot of shelters a lot of like
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encampments like anywhere he could and
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he did have a lot of people who would
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take him in because of his personality
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and it was usually and this was around
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the Baltimore area and at the time of
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his arrest he was actually living in
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that small trailer on the Stein and Sons
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property the one where Kimberly Spicer
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was found oh wow so he was living on the
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property of where he was working because
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they were allowing him to and that's
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what he did yeah and apparently it was
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so like it was the situation he was in
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where um he quote ran an extension cord
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from the Stein's main building to power
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his stereo television and air
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conditioner so that's what like Dire
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Straits his situation was in wow now
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well the owners of Stein Stein and Sons
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may have felt comfortable enough to let
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him literally live on the property they
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did start to grow a little more
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apprehensive of this decision as we went
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into the mid-1990s so they were letting
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him live there for a while like on and
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off like whenever he needed to once we
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hit those mid 1990s they were starting
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to be like oh I don't know this is when
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they started noticing a lot of changes
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in his personality because this was
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immediately following his release after
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a year in jail because he was constantly
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in legal trouble for you know drug
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possession stealing like all that stuff
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and he had come back to work because
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they had allowed him to come back to
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work after a year in jail and co-workers
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seemed to think that he he made a very
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hard switch in that year in jail he was
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drinking a lot he was using drugs more
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often he was he was engaging the work of
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sex workers a lot more often like just
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seeming to be on this like like really
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different path than he was before like a
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spiral yeah before I think it seemed
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like he was always trying to get to a
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better place but now it seemed like he
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was just fully diving fully into this
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yeah
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um and there were other like bizarre
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changes like that he would do like he
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made a 15-foot High barricade around his
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trailer made of old pallets that's weird
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yeah and also like that's not your
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property you can't do that what are you
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doing and it wasn't just co-workers that
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were you know initially kind of like
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enamored by his personality and how kind
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he was which is very strange he made a
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lot of friends outside of work like very
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easily socially he was very much able to
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make people like him
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um according to Connie snow who worked
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at the South Side Bar in Baltimore where
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Matheny often picked up women and
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actually picked up at least one victim
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of his she said he was so mannerly
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saying thank you and please all the time
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and he was a regular there and he would
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often just be going there to you know
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have a drink play some pool hang out
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with people yeah and um Connie Snow's
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sister
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actually ended up being murdered by
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Matheny in 1996. whoa just to show you
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how much he can manipulate wow and how
00:18:32
easily she thought he was kind
00:18:35
polite never had any reason to worry
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about him and her sister ended up being
00:18:39
murdered by him oh my God yeah that's
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horrific it's awful so like much of Joe
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metheny's personal history and his
00:18:48
confession that would later come like I
00:18:50
said earlier it's really hard to tell
00:18:52
the facts from his life it sounds like
00:18:54
it um by his own confession his criminal
00:18:57
history began in 1976 where he said
00:19:01
he unintentionally killed a man during a
00:19:04
bar fight in Baltimore
00:19:06
okay this killing was followed by the
00:19:09
murder of he said two sex workers in
00:19:11
1988 and 1989. now
00:19:14
you can find
00:19:17
some stories that connect a little bit
00:19:19
with these dates and the places the
00:19:22
names you can't really connect like it's
00:19:24
he didn't know the names so it didn't
00:19:26
it's hard to connect them to him yeah I
00:19:29
don't know if they were currently if
00:19:31
they were trying to connect them with
00:19:32
actual cases but that's what he claimed
00:19:34
later okay and I know they did go back
00:19:36
once his confession came and tried to
00:19:39
like identify these cases that he was
00:19:42
claiming trying to line them up with
00:19:43
real cases right but the first
00:19:45
documented murder committed by Joe
00:19:48
Metheny happened February 22nd 1994.
00:19:51
okay this is when he killed 28 year old
00:19:54
Tony Lin and Gracia
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so
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he prayed on Tony Lynn because she had
00:20:00
been struggling with drug addiction
00:20:01
herself and she hadn't been seen by her
00:20:04
family since November of the previous
00:20:05
year oh man but according to her Father
00:20:08
John she had been trying to get clean in
00:20:11
the months leading up to her death like
00:20:13
she was really trying hard like she was
00:20:15
doing her better and days after her
00:20:18
death police would days after he came
00:20:21
across her excuse me police would find
00:20:23
Tony Lynn's body dumped by the side of
00:20:25
Interstate 95 in Baltimore when they
00:20:28
examined her unfortunately she had been
00:20:30
sexually assaulted stabbed and strangled
00:20:33
oh my God and then he had just dumped
00:20:34
her along the interstate that's so
00:20:36
[ __ ] up and this is how he saw his
00:20:39
victims it was just like just definitely
00:20:41
where I can yeah it's so sad now
00:20:44
he waited about four months until he
00:20:46
killed again uh this time it was early
00:20:49
July of 1994 and he killed 39 year old
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Catherine magazineer
00:20:56
um like Tony Lynn Kathy had struggled
00:20:58
with drug addiction throughout a lot of
00:21:01
her adult life she had had a couple of
00:21:03
arrests on her record and it was mostly
00:21:05
for sex work this was in South Baltimore
00:21:07
mainly okay and according to Joe Matheny
00:21:11
on the evening of July 2nd or 3rd he met
00:21:14
Catherine or Kathy as people knew her
00:21:16
yeah on Baltimore's south side and
00:21:19
convinced her to come back to his
00:21:21
trailer on the Stein lot they made a
00:21:22
transaction once there he said
00:21:26
that they engaged in sex while she was
00:21:28
partially clothed but during his
00:21:31
confession he said that
00:21:34
um he wouldn't say whether the sex was
00:21:37
consensual or not so that tells me it
00:21:40
was not and he also wouldn't say if it
00:21:42
was transactional nothing about that so
00:21:44
to me that says it wasn't yeah and if
00:21:48
you see his
00:21:49
Behavior later yeah with other victims
00:21:52
he's ins he's wildly aggressive wildly
00:21:56
aggressive he does not like being told
00:21:58
no and I could absolutely see this not
00:22:00
being even a transactional thing yeah
00:22:03
which is awful but he said about an hour
00:22:07
after they got into the uh trailer
00:22:09
together he said that he had attacked
00:22:12
Catherine choking her with his hands
00:22:14
until she passed out oh my God once she
00:22:17
had lost Consciousness he put He wrapped
00:22:19
an extension cord around her neck and
00:22:21
strangled her to death oh my God he then
00:22:23
dragged her body to a wooded area only
00:22:26
about 40 feet away from the trailer and
00:22:28
buried her in a shallow grave that's so
00:22:31
sad and remember this is a trailer on
00:22:33
his work property yeah it's like not
00:22:35
even his and then he just buried a
00:22:38
victim's body 40 feet from this trailer
00:22:40
and then eventually people are coming to
00:22:42
the trailer yeah
00:22:43
now when he came back into the trailer
00:22:46
he went through her purse he took
00:22:48
whatever money he could find out of her
00:22:50
purse and then he gathered up her
00:22:52
clothes and the purse and he took them
00:22:54
to different areas of the woods and
00:22:56
buried them in a small hole like several
00:22:58
small holes and then he covered those
00:23:00
with dirt and just left
00:23:02
now
00:23:03
this is like really gross and rough what
00:23:06
he does next because he returned to her
00:23:10
body several months later and exhumed
00:23:13
her
00:23:14
and he told investigators quote I dug it
00:23:16
up and took the head out I just took the
00:23:19
head and threw it in a box in the trash
00:23:22
what do you notice that he's referring
00:23:25
to it as it yeah that's not her like
00:23:28
disgusting
00:23:29
yeah and that's true like took yeah took
00:23:33
her head off
00:23:34
and through put it in a box and threw it
00:23:36
in the trash months later yeah how
00:23:39
[ __ ] up is that and like why what do
00:23:42
you want possessed you to do that also I
00:23:43
just looked up a picture of him he is
00:23:45
this he's fouliest looking mother yeah
00:23:47
he's foul and there's one like luxury
00:23:49
big guy too he is over six feet tall and
00:23:53
I think he was like 450 pounds at one
00:23:56
point like he's a very like he's an
00:23:58
intimidating guy very intimidating in
00:24:01
one of his pictures in prison is like is
00:24:02
it the one with his tongue out yes it's
00:24:04
so scary it's really foul like I can't
00:24:07
imagine coming across this man when he
00:24:09
was like violent yeah it's these must
00:24:12
have been horrible if you look at him up
00:24:15
it's ugh like he's just really a gross
00:24:18
person especially when you know what
00:24:19
he's done yeah
00:24:21
but yeah that's in Le and you were
00:24:23
asking like was that true when
00:24:25
investigators exhumed her remains two
00:24:27
years later the skull had been taken
00:24:29
away from the body and he had left only
00:24:31
the mandible so he'd remove the head
00:24:33
from the mandible up and the mandible is
00:24:35
like the bottom of your jaw yeah so he
00:24:37
took like the top of her teeth so I mean
00:24:39
it's easy I guess when it's skeletal
00:24:42
that these does it like it's like easy
00:24:45
to take that part off you know but I was
00:24:48
like oh
00:24:49
very bizarre I just hate it so
00:24:52
now at this point he was kind of
00:24:55
developing a victim type yeah obviously
00:24:59
right
00:25:00
um but his next ACT deviated from this
00:25:04
because in the summer of 1995 he was
00:25:07
living in
00:25:09
um kind of like a large informal on
00:25:11
house community and it was under the
00:25:13
Hanover Street bridge this is along the
00:25:15
banks of the Patapsco River okay in
00:25:18
Maryland
00:25:19
um in court documents they they call it
00:25:23
quote a lawless Community where knives
00:25:25
axes and other weapons were kept that's
00:25:27
terrifying um yeah among the men living
00:25:31
in that camp were two 33 year old men
00:25:33
named Randall Randall Brewer and Randy
00:25:36
[ __ ] and apparently there was some kind
00:25:39
of dispute between Joe Metheny and these
00:25:42
two men and on the evening of August 2nd
00:25:45
he bludgeoned them both to death with a
00:25:48
woodcutter's ax oh my God yeah and then
00:25:52
He piled the two bodies on an old
00:25:54
mattress in one of the darker parts of
00:25:56
camp and just covered them with an old
00:25:58
blanket some trash whatever you could
00:26:01
find
00:26:02
he is terrifying he's it seems like his
00:26:06
temper is outrageous and just like I his
00:26:09
conversation to like grow and grow them
00:26:12
the more he does and then it just
00:26:13
explodes wow yeah now
00:26:16
obviously he did not hide these victims
00:26:19
bodies very well because they were
00:26:21
discovered a few days later and he was
00:26:23
arrested and he was tried in a court for
00:26:26
the murders but in July 1996 a jury
00:26:29
acquitted him of the charges wow because
00:26:32
quote the evidence was not only
00:26:34
insufficient it indicated he was not the
00:26:36
actual suspect
00:26:38
and after looking at the evidence I
00:26:40
guess the jury felt the crimes were
00:26:42
actually committed by another man who
00:26:44
lived in that encampment named Cowboy
00:26:46
okay and detectives actually found the
00:26:50
weapon used in the murder in position
00:26:52
and it was in possession of another man
00:26:55
who lived there named Larry Amos
00:26:59
um and they said he had actually stolen
00:27:01
that ax from someone and used it to kill
00:27:04
another man
00:27:06
yeah Larry killed somebody with it and
00:27:09
then had that ax in his possession so
00:27:11
when they said Lawless they meant they
00:27:13
really meant it like damn so that acts
00:27:17
being in possession of cowboy there and
00:27:19
that doesn't really mean anything yeah
00:27:21
because it looks like this ax is just
00:27:23
traveling to other people to do awful
00:27:25
[ __ ] with
00:27:26
so I don't know but they weren't able to
00:27:28
connect him definitively to it which
00:27:30
kind of
00:27:31
doesn't Shock Me considering like no one
00:27:35
saw it and it could be I mean and that
00:27:37
ax is traveling around to everybody and
00:27:39
that clearly like people are willing to
00:27:41
kill in that yeah so it's like wow like
00:27:44
that who knows if he did it or not but
00:27:45
it looks like I think he did because of
00:27:47
what he's done and he claimed to have
00:27:49
later and I not that he's not he's a
00:27:52
liar so who knows but like considering
00:27:54
what else he is proven to have done I'm
00:27:57
not shocked by it wow but
00:28:00
um he claims it's a it's just a weird
00:28:03
case he's a weird guy yeah a gross
00:28:07
monstrous guy and it's just a weird case
00:28:09
this must have been hard to put together
00:28:10
it was because it's like we were trying
00:28:12
to figure out like I want to tell you
00:28:14
what was reported right and but I want
00:28:17
to make sure you know that like some of
00:28:18
this is not real so like some of this
00:28:20
and you're gonna hear a very spectacular
00:28:23
claim that has no actual evidence to
00:28:26
back it up but it's the thing that is
00:28:28
really
00:28:29
um like what everybody looks at for this
00:28:31
case when you hear it you might be like
00:28:32
oh okay like I might know what this is I
00:28:35
think I know where we're headed because
00:28:36
I saw some pictures yeah that were
00:28:38
really untasteful yeah but when he was
00:28:41
arrested for good in late 1996 he
00:28:44
claimed that he had murdered those men
00:28:46
and he said that he did it because he
00:28:48
wanted to steal 300 that one of them was
00:28:51
Roomba to have had at the time now when
00:28:54
he was arrested he also confessed to
00:28:56
Drowning another man from that same area
00:28:59
near the river but investigators were
00:29:02
never able to find a body or connect him
00:29:04
to it
00:29:05
but he waited only four more months
00:29:08
after his acquittal before he killed
00:29:10
again
00:29:11
now on the evening of November 11 1996
00:29:14
23 year old Kimberly Spicer got into an
00:29:17
argument argument with her mother
00:29:20
um and I guess Kimberly had struggled
00:29:24
with drug addiction as well and I think
00:29:26
her brother and this is really sad her
00:29:29
brother had actually passed away of a
00:29:30
heroin overdose only the previous week
00:29:33
oh oh my God and I think that her mother
00:29:36
and her were in an argument or a dispute
00:29:38
of some kind while talking about that
00:29:40
probably like probably talking about her
00:29:43
addiction and her struggles and maybe
00:29:45
that was like a source of contention so
00:29:48
they fought and then but she her mother
00:29:50
said we would argue a lot like it was it
00:29:53
was a little contentious at that time
00:29:55
because of what was happening and she
00:29:57
said but and she would leave the house
00:29:59
like storm out of the house but she
00:30:00
would always come back yeah and so it
00:30:02
wasn't this like wild thing that she
00:30:04
stormed out of the house and she did
00:30:06
she said she would always leave but she
00:30:08
would always come back and her mom Kathy
00:30:10
Price said that and that night she left
00:30:13
the house and went to the South Side Bar
00:30:15
that's where she ran into Joe Matheny
00:30:18
now according to Joe mcdaney's
00:30:20
confession I want to make sure that you
00:30:22
know this he convinced him to go back to
00:30:24
his trailer on the Steins lot for a
00:30:27
transactional sex and when they got
00:30:30
there he stabbed her 26 times in the
00:30:33
face and neck with a black handled knife
00:30:35
oh my God and then he said he wrapped
00:30:37
her body in a red tarp and hit it so he
00:30:40
could figure out what to do and did he
00:30:42
say what like why all of a sudden he
00:30:44
just decided to stab her that many times
00:30:46
I have he doesn't really provide a lot
00:30:49
of information about why he does these
00:30:51
things at one point he says he really he
00:30:53
just likes killing people it sounds like
00:30:55
it yeah does he say whether or not he's
00:30:57
like under the influence at any during
00:30:59
any of these things every once in a
00:31:01
while he will I don't think he really
00:31:03
uses that as a say it was just something
00:31:05
as a reason yeah I think it's just like
00:31:08
incidental if he was wow now two weeks
00:31:11
later methaney lured 37 year old Rita
00:31:14
Kemper back to his trailer on the night
00:31:16
of December 8th
00:31:18
um when they got there he tried to have
00:31:21
sex with her and she refused him she
00:31:23
said absolutely not and she had come
00:31:26
there just to like hang out she was like
00:31:27
you know and they apparently had met
00:31:31
before
00:31:32
Rita Kemper and him like they had moved
00:31:34
in the same kind of Social Circles a
00:31:36
little bit right so they knew of each
00:31:37
other like he knew her and that's really
00:31:39
a random person she felt comfortable
00:31:41
going back to his house yeah exactly so
00:31:43
she just thought okay I kind of know
00:31:44
this guy so like that's fine now but
00:31:47
that night she said and she said like he
00:31:49
was like a normal guy like I've never
00:31:51
seen him lose his temper I saw him the
00:31:53
way that everybody else saw him which is
00:31:55
like this funny guy and like he's just a
00:31:56
jovial guy it's so scary that somebody
00:31:59
can present that way and then be this
00:32:00
and she actually said his nickname in
00:32:03
the group of friends was Tiny because
00:32:05
he's such like a big guy wow and so she
00:32:07
referred to him as Tiny when she talked
00:32:09
to him I talked about him and when she
00:32:11
testified to a jury later which by the
00:32:13
way she gets out of this
00:32:15
um Kemper told the jury that that night
00:32:17
she just saw a totally different guy she
00:32:19
said you could see evil in him whatever
00:32:21
tiny wanted to do that night he was
00:32:23
going to do oh my God now according to
00:32:26
Rita Kemper she genuinely thought she
00:32:28
said I believed he was trying to kill me
00:32:30
I believe that probably was and he's she
00:32:33
said that he was screaming at her scream
00:32:35
all you want I'm going to kill you and
00:32:37
bury you in the woods with the other
00:32:38
girls
00:32:40
that's what he was saying can you
00:32:41
imagine being in that position no
00:32:44
and she said in surviving exactly and
00:32:47
she testified saying that after they got
00:32:50
to the trailer he slapped her in the
00:32:52
face twice and demanded that she take
00:32:55
her pants off was basically going to
00:32:57
rape her and somehow he was distracted
00:33:00
for just even a second by something and
00:33:03
she managed to open the door and run out
00:33:05
the door but he chased her oh my God a
00:33:09
huge guy running after you it reminds me
00:33:11
of like Texas Chainsaw Massacre like how
00:33:14
Leatherface like runs full speed and it
00:33:16
scares the [ __ ] out of me because he's
00:33:18
like this big guy it's the same kind of
00:33:20
thing he chased her caught her and
00:33:23
started choking her and dragged her back
00:33:25
inside the trailer holy [ __ ] then he
00:33:28
ripped her pants off and was about to
00:33:30
sexually assault her but she was able to
00:33:33
get out of his grasp and escaped out an
00:33:35
open window whoa and just ran for help
00:33:38
holy [ __ ] she is incredible
00:33:42
now it's it's pretty unclear whether she
00:33:46
immediately went to police to report
00:33:48
this assault or whether like it was
00:33:51
investigated sometime later like it's a
00:33:53
little unclear about that okay but
00:33:54
methany's clearly escalating violence
00:33:57
against
00:33:58
sex workers and people he considered
00:34:01
vulnerable
00:34:03
um in the Baltimore area was clearly
00:34:05
like at a at the height at this point we
00:34:08
got a teetering point and this is when
00:34:11
it was going to come to an end because
00:34:12
in an anonymous employee at Stein and
00:34:15
Sons called police and said that Joe
00:34:18
Matheny quote approached him and told
00:34:21
him that he killed a girl and needed
00:34:22
help burying the body
00:34:25
dude so they acted on this tip an
00:34:28
investigator searched the area around
00:34:29
Joe metheny's trailer on December 15th
00:34:32
and that is when they discovered the
00:34:34
body of Kimberly Spicer buried under the
00:34:37
trailer because remember Kimberly Spicer
00:34:39
was the one where he had hid her quote
00:34:41
unquote until he could figure out what
00:34:43
to do right and
00:34:45
it's just like it's like Unthinkable
00:34:47
like truly Unthinkable and it was
00:34:50
Catherine who was buried 40 feet away
00:34:53
from the trailer right and now he's gone
00:34:55
and asked another co-worker to help him
00:34:57
bury Kimberly Spicer's body somewhere
00:34:59
but no she was found
00:35:01
and so they were able to go into the
00:35:04
trailer as well at this point because
00:35:05
they do cause they said search warrant
00:35:07
search yeah and so they were able to get
00:35:09
some evidence of a potential crime scene
00:35:11
inside as well so the detective in
00:35:13
charge of the case Homer Pennington said
00:35:15
quote Furniture had been removed from
00:35:17
the suspect's trailer and attempts had
00:35:19
been made to clean up blood stains I bet
00:35:22
and they believed that this was
00:35:23
definitely the murder site
00:35:25
so after they had discovered Kimberly
00:35:27
Spicer's body
00:35:29
um that was obviously grounds for an
00:35:30
arrest warrant and they arrested him out
00:35:33
and they arrested Joe Matheny and also
00:35:36
Joseph Stein the owner of the Stein and
00:35:38
Sons Company on suspicion of murder
00:35:41
because they were seen leaving a company
00:35:43
Christmas party together that evening oh
00:35:47
so well and it's on his property too
00:35:49
exactly [ __ ] so Joe Matheny was
00:35:51
charged with first degree murder and was
00:35:52
held without bail and Stein was charged
00:35:55
with being an accessory after the fact
00:35:56
of homicide and he was suspected of
00:35:59
helping dispose of evidence even
00:36:02
the charges against Stein would
00:36:04
eventually be dropped pretty shortly
00:36:05
after investigators learned that he was
00:36:08
completely unaware of the murders any
00:36:10
illegal activities that had taken place
00:36:12
on that property he didn't know about
00:36:14
and he wasn't just sort of evidence he
00:36:16
did not destroy anything according to
00:36:19
the investigation they found nothing all
00:36:21
right no evidence that he had any idea
00:36:23
well that's good that he was literally
00:36:24
just trying to help this guy out by
00:36:26
letting him live there and he had no
00:36:28
idea yeah
00:36:29
um days later though
00:36:31
after a search of the property they
00:36:34
found a 25 caliber handgun and Stein was
00:36:37
arrested and charged with being a felon
00:36:40
in possession of a handgun Lee uh so
00:36:43
apparently
00:36:44
he's a felon dating back to 1985 because
00:36:48
he was charged and convicted of arson in
00:36:50
1985. so although there's no evidence of
00:36:53
him being like a continuous felon of
00:36:55
like just constantly committing crime
00:36:58
since then he did do some arson ones he
00:37:00
had a 25 caliber handgun on his property
00:37:03
and you're not supposed to be in
00:37:04
possession of a handgun as a felon so
00:37:06
that's a problem
00:37:08
so that was interesting but once Joe
00:37:11
Metheny was charged with murder he was
00:37:13
just ready to confess and he seemed very
00:37:17
eager to tell all his stories all the
00:37:19
violent crimes he'd supposedly committed
00:37:21
over you know two decades at this point
00:37:24
um he provided detectives with details
00:37:26
on the murder of Kimberly Spicer and he
00:37:29
also confessed to the murders of
00:37:30
Catherine magaziner and Tony Lynn and
00:37:33
Gracia and would later lead
00:37:34
investigators to Catherine's body less
00:37:37
than 50 feet from where they had
00:37:39
discovered Kimberly Spicer which must
00:37:42
have been also a little wild for
00:37:43
investigators knowing that they were
00:37:45
within 40 feet of another murder
00:37:48
victim's body when they found the
00:37:50
Kimberly Spicer and had no idea no idea
00:37:52
now and he led them there like eagerly
00:37:55
LED them there's pictures yeah
00:37:58
um by the time the interview had
00:38:00
concluded Joe Matheny had confessed to a
00:38:03
total of between seven and ten murders
00:38:06
he fluctuated including Kim Spicer
00:38:08
Catherine magazina Tony leningracia
00:38:11
Randall Brewer Randy [ __ ] and a third
00:38:14
man he claimed to have drowned at that
00:38:17
encampment that he was staying at and
00:38:20
also the man outside the bar in 1976 and
00:38:23
three sex workers he claimed to have
00:38:25
picked up on Washington Boulevard in
00:38:28
1988 and 1989. okay he would pull some
00:38:31
of those off sometimes put them back on
00:38:34
admit to this many admit to that many
00:38:37
throw these ones on like so it really
00:38:39
fluctuated the amount of people but they
00:38:42
were really only able to find him at
00:38:45
that time that he had definitely
00:38:47
committed uh murder against Kim Kimberly
00:38:49
Spicer Catherine magaziner and Tony
00:38:52
linen Gracia okay
00:38:54
um in addition to those three murder
00:38:56
charges he was also charged with the
00:38:58
kidnapping and assault of Rita Kemper a
00:39:01
few weeks earlier right and during his
00:39:03
interview detectives asked him whether
00:39:04
he had intended to kill Kemper and he
00:39:07
said yeah I don't know I don't really I
00:39:10
don't know really what I was going to do
00:39:11
because she got away
00:39:15
just like yeah I was gonna kill that
00:39:18
human being but I didn't know what I was
00:39:19
gonna do she got away so so I guess okay
00:39:22
okay I guess I couldn't like Jesus again
00:39:25
the announcement came as a shock to
00:39:28
everyone who knew him like no one was
00:39:30
ready to hear that he was this awful
00:39:32
monster it's so scary to think that
00:39:34
people could like can turn it on and off
00:39:36
so easily yeah another bartender named
00:39:39
Lisa Reynolds who works at a bar or
00:39:41
worked at a bar called the borderline
00:39:43
bar and restaurant
00:39:44
um it was a restaurant and bar that
00:39:46
Matheny went too often to also drink
00:39:48
play pool all that stuff yeah she told
00:39:50
reporters everybody liked him he was
00:39:52
very friendly
00:39:53
and even the lawyer who defended him on
00:39:56
the ax murder charge like the one of uh
00:39:58
the two guys in the encampment was like
00:40:01
shocked by his confessions was like I
00:40:03
don't know if I believe them like
00:40:05
they're they don't line up he said I
00:40:08
found him to be very honest and direct
00:40:09
he has a sophisticated sense of humor
00:40:12
and he always was very very respectful
00:40:14
of me he was never rude or violent
00:40:17
so insane yeah now Joseph Stein's
00:40:21
daughter Lisa however had other feelings
00:40:23
about him and said I suspected he was
00:40:25
guilty but I wanted to believe he didn't
00:40:27
do it it's interesting that it seems
00:40:29
like some guys are like he was such a
00:40:33
good guy like there are women that said
00:40:34
it there's so yeah because there's Lisa
00:40:36
and Connie the two bartenders who were
00:40:37
like she was great right but it is
00:40:39
interesting that the daughter was like
00:40:40
yeah I saw another side of it yeah well
00:40:42
she's just like I suspect he probably
00:40:43
did it but she's also like I hope he
00:40:45
didn't yeah because like that sucks
00:40:47
right now after his arrest in the
00:40:49
confessions he agreed to lead police to
00:40:52
um to Catherine magazineers grave like
00:40:55
what I said before yeah and although he
00:40:57
was cooperating with the locations like
00:40:59
he was like yes I will lead you to these
00:41:01
bodies he was no help with identifying
00:41:04
these women in his first confession he
00:41:07
admitted to strangling a sex worker to
00:41:09
death and burying her body near the
00:41:11
trailer that's what he said but when
00:41:12
they asked her name he said haven't got
00:41:14
a clue
00:41:15
and that was Catherine that's so sad
00:41:18
yeah do you think maybe because I mean
00:41:21
because of like his constant drug use
00:41:22
maybe he didn't no I think he just
00:41:24
didn't care you think that's what it was
00:41:25
yes I don't think this can be like I
00:41:28
don't even think it's like cloudy like
00:41:29
whatever I think he literally just
00:41:30
didn't care like didn't even yeah learn
00:41:33
because he's like I haven't got a clue
00:41:34
why would I give a [ __ ] about that like
00:41:36
it was said like that like very like why
00:41:39
would I have her name like just brushed
00:41:40
it like move on and he's just gross yeah
00:41:43
now because this is such a strange case
00:41:46
and was such a strange case at the time
00:41:48
they needed some help with the recovery
00:41:50
and identification process because he's
00:41:52
not giving them anything and
00:41:54
unfortunately he has picked a couple of
00:41:56
victims that didn't have direct ties
00:41:58
with their families at the moment so it
00:41:59
was hard to identify right so Baltimore
00:42:03
investigators called in the assistance
00:42:04
of William Rodriguez who was one of a
00:42:07
very small number of board certified
00:42:09
forensic anthropologists in the county
00:42:10
or in the country excuse such a cool job
00:42:13
it really is and Rodriguez such an
00:42:15
important job yeah Rodriguez had also
00:42:18
worked as a medical examiner for the
00:42:19
Armed Forces Institute of pathology and
00:42:22
had worked on some really high profile
00:42:24
cases where he assisted in identifying
00:42:26
like victims of mass casualty cases one
00:42:30
of these was the 1994 crash of U.S Air
00:42:33
flight 427 that went down near
00:42:35
Pittsburgh those kind of things were
00:42:37
mass casualty events happen like that
00:42:39
and people have to be identified I can't
00:42:41
imagine imagine the daunting task the
00:42:44
pressure of that yeah he also worked on
00:42:46
the case of a crash of Two Black Hawk
00:42:49
helicopters during the Iraq War in 1994.
00:42:52
wow so he was an expert and he was also
00:42:55
an expert on decomposition and the
00:42:57
effects of the natural environment on
00:42:59
decomposing human remains like the Body
00:43:01
Farm this was a perfect case for him to
00:43:04
be put on because Catherine's remains
00:43:06
had been buried and reburied in the
00:43:08
woods for two years because he had
00:43:10
exhumed her yeah
00:43:11
um so this put the investigators at a
00:43:13
disadvantage when it came to determining
00:43:15
what damage was done by methaney and
00:43:18
what damage was done by the environment
00:43:19
and natural causes yeah days after the
00:43:22
remains were exhumed Rodriguez was able
00:43:24
to identify Catherine through dental
00:43:26
records matched to whatever remaining
00:43:29
teeth were in the lower mandible that he
00:43:30
left he's a rock star and thank goodness
00:43:34
that that lower mandible had teeth right
00:43:36
left on him that it was left there
00:43:38
because it helped identify her now
00:43:41
Joe metheny's confessions provided
00:43:43
investigators with very detailed
00:43:46
accounts of the violent sexual assault
00:43:48
and murders that he committed on these
00:43:50
women but as they investigated some more
00:43:53
of the claims they started to wonder how
00:43:56
much of this is truth and how much of
00:43:58
this is exaggerated right they were able
00:44:00
to say he is violent he's a violent
00:44:02
monster clearly he's a violent sexual
00:44:04
offender he's a violent murderer but
00:44:07
then there were other things like this
00:44:09
is where it's going to get kind of wild
00:44:11
at one point he told investigators that
00:44:14
he'd partially cannibalized some of the
00:44:16
victims and had even served some of
00:44:19
these victims
00:44:21
remains to patrons of a food stand that
00:44:25
he had mm-hmm he said quote I cut the
00:44:28
meat up and put it in some Tupperware
00:44:29
bowls then put it in the freezer I
00:44:31
opened up a little open pit beef stand I
00:44:34
had real roast beef and pork sandwiches
00:44:36
they were very good the human body taste
00:44:39
was very similar to Pork if you mix it
00:44:41
together no one can tell the difference
00:44:43
Jesus Christ of course everyone seized
00:44:46
onto this part in the Press because who
00:44:49
wouldn't why wouldn't that shock
00:44:51
literally everyone but it should be
00:44:53
noted here that there is no evidence of
00:44:55
him having a sandwich stand of any kind
00:44:58
yeah
00:44:59
maybe he did yeah because he wouldn't go
00:45:02
it's not like he's awesome you know
00:45:04
everything but I could find nothing that
00:45:06
says nobody who said they went to that
00:45:08
stand nobody who saw that stand no no
00:45:11
business having to do with that stand
00:45:13
nothing
00:45:14
who knows right he absolutely could have
00:45:17
is that any sense capable of it but I
00:45:20
think this is one of those things that
00:45:22
he said to shock people because all of
00:45:24
the victims that were found were intact
00:45:26
aside from
00:45:27
the mandible being left right that's
00:45:30
what it seems like so I don't he could
00:45:32
be trying to say these are the other
00:45:34
victims that you can't find the bodies
00:45:35
of and then you would also think that if
00:45:37
he was living at least in that trailer
00:45:39
at the time they would find evidence of
00:45:41
that yeah that's what I was thinking you
00:45:43
know I think it's him lying right
00:45:45
because the other thing is he didn't
00:45:47
other than that trailer it doesn't sound
00:45:49
like he had a setup home so where was he
00:45:50
really doing exactly where would he have
00:45:52
been able to do that exactly so I think
00:45:54
it's just what a fun thing about [ __ ]
00:45:56
up lie and I think he said he would have
00:46:00
kept going until Rita Kemper got away
00:46:02
like he would have kept going after her
00:46:04
and he said and this is like really
00:46:07
gross he said everything was going
00:46:09
pretty good until I ran out of my
00:46:11
special meat so I lured another [ __ ] up
00:46:14
to my trailer I got her in there and
00:46:16
started to rip her clothes off and
00:46:17
knocking the hell out of her she was
00:46:19
screaming but there was no one around to
00:46:20
hear her except me and I just kept on
00:46:22
laughing at her and he's talking about
00:46:24
Rita Kemper and she said he was
00:46:27
screaming in her face scream all you
00:46:28
want oh my God so that is true that's
00:46:31
like a nightmare now
00:46:34
this is how he described her getting
00:46:36
away by the way he said I turned around
00:46:37
for a split second and that was my
00:46:39
mistake she ran out the door before I
00:46:41
could get to her there was an eight foot
00:46:43
chain chain link fence with barbed wire
00:46:45
on top of it around the front of the
00:46:47
company there was a stack of wooden
00:46:49
pallets next to the fence about 10 feet
00:46:51
high that [ __ ] scaled those pallets
00:46:53
like a monkey and jumped the fence and
00:46:55
ran down to the main road where some guy
00:46:57
in a pickup truck picked her up and took
00:47:00
her to a nearby gas station where they
00:47:01
called the cops holy [ __ ] she killed a
00:47:04
10-foot pallet yeah good for her and he
00:47:07
said well I knew the cops were on the
00:47:09
way but I didn't run I gathered her up
00:47:11
her clothing grabbed the keys to the
00:47:13
gate and went out and opened it soon as
00:47:14
I step out the gate a cop car pulled up
00:47:16
and the cop jumped out and pulled his
00:47:18
gun on me and told me to get on the
00:47:20
ground and that's where it all came to
00:47:21
an end
00:47:22
but that's not how that happened right I
00:47:25
was like wait I think I missed that part
00:47:26
exactly that's not how it happened but
00:47:28
that was part of his confession also
00:47:29
like hey the cops um they can talk to
00:47:31
each other and check each other they
00:47:33
know how it happened and he supposedly
00:47:35
ended his confession with this very
00:47:38
crass ending he said well that's my
00:47:40
story horrible but true so the next time
00:47:42
you're riding down the road and you
00:47:43
happen to see an open pit beef stand
00:47:45
that you've never seen before make sure
00:47:47
you think about this story before you
00:47:49
take a bite of that sandwich sometimes
00:47:50
you never know who you may be eating
00:47:52
haha Jesus
00:47:55
now within days of his arrest his
00:47:58
defense attorney Margaret Mead told
00:48:00
reporters I don't know if what the state
00:48:02
is calling a confession is really a
00:48:04
confession
00:48:05
which makes sense for a defense attorney
00:48:06
to say but also like yeah probably yeah
00:48:10
and she said that Matheny was depressed
00:48:12
confused and under a lot of medication
00:48:15
when he made that confession and as far
00:48:18
as she knew any crimes committed were
00:48:19
done quote under the influence of heroin
00:48:22
cocaine or alcohol doesn't mean he
00:48:24
didn't murder people you still can't
00:48:26
murder people like that doesn't fix that
00:48:28
it's always against the law yeah what's
00:48:30
Wild to me about this is she said that
00:48:33
then in relation so she said that in
00:48:35
relation to the confessions about the
00:48:36
murders of Catherine Tony and Kimberly
00:48:39
she said I have no reason not to believe
00:48:41
him
00:48:42
that's what she told the later reporters
00:48:44
so she said the confession is [ __ ]
00:48:46
but I have no reason to not believe it I
00:48:48
don't know if the state what the state
00:48:50
is calling a confession is really a
00:48:52
confession
00:48:52
and then she said he's depressed
00:48:54
confused under a lot of medication we
00:48:56
can't really believe him don't listen to
00:48:57
what he says but I don't have any reason
00:48:59
but then she says I have no reason not
00:49:00
to believe him and then she said I've
00:49:02
always found him to be forthright and
00:49:03
honest so you just [ __ ] yourself ma'am
00:49:05
like
00:49:07
what like no you literally what I feel
00:49:10
like the defenses that we're talking
00:49:12
about lately like some of them I'm just
00:49:13
like you wrote that down like yeah like
00:49:16
what then I'm like was that meant to
00:49:18
just confuse people maybe it's just like
00:49:21
a tactic to confuse people but I'm like
00:49:23
I don't know if you should confuse
00:49:24
people like that's just gonna have a
00:49:25
mistrial that's not gonna win your case
00:49:27
but she also insisted that methanian
00:49:30
assistant he he adamantly denies that
00:49:32
Joseph Stein had any knowledge or
00:49:34
participated in any of these crimes okay
00:49:37
so he's saying like he had nothing to do
00:49:38
I mean that's also his bro so well and
00:49:40
he he constantly allowed him to work
00:49:43
stay there so of course he's gonna I
00:49:46
don't know if it doesn't sound like
00:49:48
there's any evidence to connect Joseph
00:49:50
Stein to any of these crimes it sounds
00:49:53
like he was legally cleared yeah now
00:49:56
after working to verify all the claims
00:49:58
that he started making in his confession
00:50:00
investigators were pretty confident at
00:50:03
least about his confessions to the
00:50:05
murders of uh Catherine Kimberly and
00:50:07
Tony Lynn so on January 30th Joe Metheny
00:50:11
was indicted for the three killings and
00:50:13
a trial date was set for March of 19 in
00:50:15
for in March of 1997. but by the time
00:50:19
the arrangement came in March the
00:50:21
detectives have been unable to find any
00:50:24
evidence conclusively linking him to the
00:50:26
murder of Tony Lennon Gracia really so
00:50:29
they had forced the district attorney
00:50:31
Patricia jessamy to drop the charges in
00:50:33
the third murder because they didn't
00:50:35
have sufficient evidence even though he
00:50:37
confessed to it and he that was he did
00:50:39
not lead them to that body no he did not
00:50:41
oh okay okay yeah now despite confessing
00:50:44
to the killings he did plead not guilty
00:50:47
to the murders of Catherine and Kimberly
00:50:49
and a trial date for that was set for
00:50:51
July 8 1997. okay so now we're only
00:50:54
going to be able to get him on the two
00:50:55
that's sad so in a press conference
00:50:57
following that arraignment jessamy the
00:50:59
district attorney indicated that she
00:51:02
intended to seek the death penalty
00:51:04
this would be the first time it was
00:51:06
invoked in Maryland since 1993. wow
00:51:09
according to Margaret Mead the uh the
00:51:12
defense attorney she said the District
00:51:14
Attorney's Office had originally offered
00:51:16
a sentence of life imprisonment without
00:51:18
the possibility of Parole in exchange
00:51:20
for a plea of guilty but Margaret Mead
00:51:23
said that was not a reasonable plea
00:51:25
guilty yeah she she was not going to
00:51:28
allow him to plead guilty okay like okay
00:51:31
she's like yeah let's just go up against
00:51:32
the death penalty let's try that okay so
00:51:34
July 8th was not his trial because his
00:51:37
attorney petitioned for a change of
00:51:38
venue they said quote I think with the
00:51:41
facts of this case it would be better
00:51:42
off if this weren't another jurisdiction
00:51:44
but don't worry because while he was
00:51:46
awaiting that trial he went on trial for
00:51:48
the kidnapping and assault of Rita
00:51:50
Kemper in November of 1997. the
00:51:53
prosecution for this case went about it
00:51:55
by showing the jury that Metheny was a
00:51:57
violent unpredictable Predator who lost
00:51:59
it when Rita Kemper refused his very
00:52:02
aggressive advances and they claimed he
00:52:04
was had every intent on killing her and
00:52:06
they were 100 right in my opinion
00:52:08
absofucking lutely but his defense just
00:52:10
said and I quote prosecutors were taking
00:52:13
a simple dispute between Matheny and
00:52:15
Kemper and having it blown up to include
00:52:17
attempted murder kidnapping and
00:52:19
attempted rape I'm sorry but are you
00:52:21
kidding simple [ __ ] dispute
00:52:23
ends in me scaling a 10-foot no palette
00:52:26
and then hopping over a barbed wire
00:52:28
fence also nothing simple about that he
00:52:32
later confesses to it he didn't confess
00:52:34
to it at this point yeah you confess to
00:52:36
it later like like he definitely did
00:52:38
this he definitely it's exactly how Rita
00:52:40
Kemper said it happened it's how she
00:52:42
said it happened and up until the point
00:52:44
where he says the cop showed up yeah
00:52:47
on November 17th after a very short
00:52:49
deliberation the jury returned a verdict
00:52:52
of not guilty in the attempted murder of
00:52:55
Kemper but found him guilty of the
00:52:57
assault kidnapping in sexual assault
00:52:59
charges and he did get 50 years in
00:53:02
prison for this good
00:53:03
this is before he even goes on trial for
00:53:06
murder so he's already in there he's
00:53:07
already in there for 50 years holy [ __ ]
00:53:09
I'm very interested as to why they
00:53:12
didn't find him guilty on the attempted
00:53:14
murder I think maybe they just couldn't
00:53:16
get I attempted murder I feel like is
00:53:18
one it's a hard one to prove yeah
00:53:21
um this may have led to how they found
00:53:23
methaney on Sunday March 22nd in his
00:53:26
jail cell this sentence prison guards
00:53:29
found him unconscious and bleeding
00:53:31
heavily from a wound to his neck he was
00:53:33
transported to the University of
00:53:34
Maryland Medical Center for treatment
00:53:36
and he lived I saw that but after
00:53:40
multiple delays he finally did go on
00:53:42
trial for this uh Kimberly Spicer murder
00:53:45
on April 23 1997 in a bench trial in the
00:53:48
Baltimore Circuit Court also like way to
00:53:50
make yourself look guilty yeah like we
00:53:52
already know you are yeah exactly the
00:53:55
prosecution's case was pretty much the
00:53:57
same kind of thing Matheny was a violent
00:54:00
Predator who when refused by any women
00:54:01
just took what he wanted aggressively
00:54:03
however he could we see that and they
00:54:06
used the confession as some of the most
00:54:07
damning evidence against him and it was
00:54:09
played in full for the court that must
00:54:11
have been horrible yeah on the tape he
00:54:14
he can be heard saying I killed her I'm
00:54:16
a very sick person I need help
00:54:19
okay yeah and after that prosecutors
00:54:21
called detective Homer Pennington to the
00:54:23
stand and he testified that Matheny was
00:54:26
alert and Cooperative at the time of the
00:54:28
interview and gave interviewers every
00:54:30
reason to believe he was being truthful
00:54:31
about the murders of Catherine and
00:54:33
Kimberly yeah now after the kidnapping
00:54:35
and attempted rape and murder trial of
00:54:37
Rita Kemper his defense team probably
00:54:40
knew this wasn't going to go their way
00:54:41
probs so they went about it by just kind
00:54:44
of mitigating any further in previous
00:54:46
damages that they could
00:54:48
um Mead told the court that there were
00:54:50
quote mitigating factors in metheny's
00:54:52
history like his drug addiction and
00:54:54
being raised in a supposedly abusive
00:54:56
households and this led him down a path
00:54:58
you know of addiction and violence and
00:55:01
the hard relationships with women
00:55:03
basically going on that whole train it's
00:55:05
like chica plenty of people grow up in
00:55:07
horrible horrible households plenty of
00:55:09
people struggle with addiction and don't
00:55:11
murder people exactly after three weeks
00:55:14
of the trial judge Clifton Gordy found
00:55:17
methaney guilty of the first degree
00:55:19
murder of Kimberly Spicer because she
00:55:23
for went a jury trial he was sentenced
00:55:26
to life in prison without the
00:55:27
possibility of parole and although the
00:55:30
District Attorney's office did want that
00:55:32
death penalty judge Gordy said that they
00:55:34
quote had failed to establish that
00:55:36
Matheny robbed Spicer or sexually
00:55:38
assaulted her while she was alive
00:55:41
either of these things would have made
00:55:43
him eligible for the death penalty what
00:55:45
a wild world we live in
00:55:46
yeah it's wild to me that like murder
00:55:49
doesn't constitute the death penalty
00:55:52
alone you have to be sexually assaulted
00:55:53
while you were still alive that's why
00:55:55
the death penalty is a wild thing it is
00:55:57
weird it's a while I didn't realize that
00:55:59
was part of it it's it's at least in
00:56:01
Maryland I guess weird scenario yeah now
00:56:03
that the Kimberly Spicer trial was done
00:56:05
and he had been found guilty and got
00:56:07
life the trial for Catherine magazina
00:56:09
was upon them and the death penalty was
00:56:11
again going to be sought for this one so
00:56:13
on September 25th uh Joe Metheny
00:56:16
actually chose to rescind his not guilty
00:56:19
plea and entered a guilty plea to the
00:56:21
murder of Catherine this time he opted
00:56:24
for a jury for the sentencing phase
00:56:25
which is interesting throwing everybody
00:56:27
around yeah during the sentencing
00:56:29
hearing the prosecution said that Joe
00:56:32
Matheny had committed a capital offense
00:56:34
which consummate constituted capital
00:56:36
punishment they said he murdered
00:56:38
Catherine stole her clothing in purse
00:56:40
and had later buried had buried it on
00:56:43
the Stein lot and they provided evidence
00:56:45
they played his initial confession where
00:56:48
he not only admitted to murdering
00:56:49
Catherine but also said he took her
00:56:51
belongings and later desecrated her body
00:56:54
all which was done for quote a sense of
00:56:57
power and because he got a rush out of
00:56:59
it and he did say this himself during
00:57:01
his confession he said his murder
00:57:03
Rampages started as Revenge he said but
00:57:06
ended up as quote a passion for the
00:57:08
taste and overwhelming sense of power
00:57:10
that one gets from taking another's life
00:57:13
wow
00:57:15
yeah after four days of testimony the
00:57:18
jury deliberated for just two hours and
00:57:20
then sentenced Joe Matheny to death
00:57:22
along with a concurrent sentence of 10
00:57:25
years for the robbery which if they were
00:57:28
going by the requirements laid out to
00:57:30
them by judge Gordy they were I guess
00:57:32
right with this sentencing
00:57:34
um standing before the judge at
00:57:36
sentencing he told the jury quote the
00:57:38
words I'm sorry will never come out for
00:57:40
they would be a lie I'm more than
00:57:41
willing to give up my life for what I've
00:57:43
done to have God judge me and send me to
00:57:45
hell for what I've done
00:57:47
so he literally said you will never hear
00:57:49
me say I'm sorry because that would just
00:57:51
be a lie I'm not sorry
00:57:52
wow in a press conference after the
00:57:55
hearing his defense team told reporters
00:57:57
that his statement to the jury quote
00:57:59
belies his feelings of guilt and
00:58:01
self-hatred but he got what he wanted
00:58:05
okay good try good try with that one lie
00:58:08
so in 2000 Joe metheny's death sentence
00:58:11
came under mandatory review by the court
00:58:14
of appeals that Constitution
00:58:16
um and although the justices agreed with
00:58:19
the conviction they said the prosecution
00:58:21
had failed to prevent the present
00:58:23
sufficient evidence to support the claim
00:58:26
of robbery as an aggravating
00:58:28
circumstance deserving a death sentence
00:58:30
that's also happening a lot lately in
00:58:32
our cases yeah it is it's a factor but
00:58:34
it's not an aggravating yeah it's true
00:58:36
that is that's funny now the issue
00:58:39
wasn't whether he had killed and robbed
00:58:41
Catherine like the justices were like
00:58:43
yes we agree with all that it was if he
00:58:45
robbed her but whether he had murdered
00:58:47
the woman in the commission of a robbery
00:58:49
yeah which would make that eligible for
00:58:51
death penalty and they reviewed the case
00:58:53
and the court determined that he had
00:58:55
taken magazineers belongings after
00:58:58
killing her but it was done primarily to
00:59:01
get rid of evidence and to take what
00:59:02
little cash she had as an afterthought
00:59:04
it wasn't the price Mary thing or like
00:59:06
you we were just saying in aggravating
00:59:08
circumstance now in the final report
00:59:10
Justice James Smith said Matheny was
00:59:13
charged with robbery only because the
00:59:15
body and the clothing were found in
00:59:16
different locations another person who
00:59:18
had killed their victim but buried the
00:59:20
victim in her clothes would not qualify
00:59:22
for the death penalty
00:59:24
so as a result all his convictions were
00:59:27
upheld but the death sentence was
00:59:29
vacated and this case was sent back to
00:59:31
the lower court for re-sentencing which
00:59:34
he did end up getting sentenced to life
00:59:36
in prison without the possibility of
00:59:38
parole so he was quickly transported to
00:59:40
Western Correctional Institution in
00:59:42
Cumberland sweet he later during more
00:59:45
confessions would claim he had a
00:59:47
six-year-old son with a girlfriend and
00:59:49
one day while he was at work as a truck
00:59:51
driver she took him
00:59:53
and he never found them and he later
00:59:55
said this girlfriend ran off with
00:59:57
another man took their six-year-old son
00:59:59
with them eventually the six-year-old
01:00:01
son ended up in Social Service custody
01:00:04
because of neglect and abuse and he went
01:00:06
off to find them and kill them like the
01:00:08
man and his girlfriend and anyone who
01:00:11
got in his way okay so this was his way
01:00:14
of being like this is why I did this
01:00:16
revenge and it is confession yeah and in
01:00:19
his confession he said he killed three
01:00:20
men and four women on his way to this
01:00:23
Revenge he said two men I chopped up
01:00:26
with an ax under a bridge in South
01:00:27
Baltimore this is because he said they
01:00:29
were two men who did drugs with his old
01:00:31
lady and they wouldn't give him any
01:00:33
information about her so he killed them
01:00:35
okay he said quote I was found not
01:00:37
guilty for them because they couldn't
01:00:39
prove I did it he then said under that
01:00:41
same bridge I killed two women and one
01:00:43
man who's fishing and just happened to
01:00:45
be in the wrong place at the wrong time
01:00:46
I weighed down their bodies and put them
01:00:48
in the river I showed the police where I
01:00:50
put them about three years later but
01:00:52
they couldn't find them so they couldn't
01:00:53
charge urge me for them he claimed he
01:00:55
was it was a very busy night for him
01:00:57
that night five murders in seven hours
01:01:00
exactly that's just it up face like yeah
01:01:03
I was like I don't think so I found no
01:01:05
record of this man ever having a child
01:01:07
by the way yeah no record he can't find
01:01:10
it it sounds like he's just trying to be
01:01:11
like I am such a doting father and
01:01:13
that's why it did not happen he did not
01:01:14
have a child yeah Joe Matheny does not
01:01:16
have a child not one he knew about
01:01:17
that's for sure
01:01:19
now on the afternoon of Sunday August
01:01:21
5th 2017. guards at the Western
01:01:24
Correctional Institution in Cumberland
01:01:26
discovered Joe Matheny unresponsive in
01:01:28
his cell around 3 pm he was pronounced
01:01:31
dead a short time later and an
01:01:33
investigation was launched to determine
01:01:35
the cause and circumstances of his death
01:01:37
but to this day there appears to be no
01:01:40
cause of death that has been released to
01:01:42
the public
01:01:44
huh no one knows what happened there no
01:01:49
we do not it was interesting so that is
01:01:51
the Wild and horrifying and disgusting
01:01:55
and confusing
01:01:57
story yeah Joe Metheny that was that was
01:02:01
a particularly brutal one yeah it's just
01:02:04
upsetting and it's so sad
01:02:07
um that one of the victim's mothers was
01:02:09
like she always came back that's the
01:02:11
thing like she did leave when we would
01:02:13
have an argument but always that's so
01:02:16
sad yeah because she probably was just
01:02:18
waiting for her daughter to come back
01:02:20
and then she finds out what exactly what
01:02:22
happened to her it's like oh my God yeah
01:02:24
so wow that was a really rough it's just
01:02:28
a case that makes you feel really gross
01:02:31
afterwards yeah it's just bizarre And
01:02:33
the fact I whenever these like people go
01:02:35
after people who they deem to be
01:02:39
Unworthy of being missed yeah you know
01:02:42
that's when it really is like Ugh it's
01:02:44
such an unsettling case too because as
01:02:46
much as he is a liar I do wonder you you
01:02:49
just don't know that's the thing that's
01:02:51
the problem is you don't know the bounds
01:02:53
of his lies and especially like Albert
01:02:55
Fish yeah one especially where he lived
01:02:57
in that community for so long and like
01:02:59
yeah you know like there's truths in
01:03:01
there yeah like it's not all lies but he
01:03:03
definitely is exaggerating a lot of it I
01:03:05
don't believe there's any human meat
01:03:07
Burgers anywhere no I don't think so
01:03:09
either you know I don't think that's a
01:03:11
thing that's so gross and just I think
01:03:13
it was him trying to be like extra gross
01:03:15
well and I think that and him to further
01:03:18
terrify people because like every time
01:03:20
you go to a [ __ ] meat counter like
01:03:21
think of me it's like his little way of
01:03:23
being like I'm the boogeyman you know
01:03:25
like uh no I don't even believe in him
01:03:27
no but I hope he's there I hope you're
01:03:29
somewhere terrible yeah or something
01:03:31
somewhere gross yeah or somewhere really
01:03:34
clean because I think that would stress
01:03:36
you out more yeah you know just in like
01:03:38
a weird like white cubicle yeah just
01:03:41
nothing with nothing in it and just
01:03:42
drive you crazy
01:03:45
wow terrible story that was interesting
01:03:48
um I commend you for being able to put
01:03:50
that together thank you you're welcome
01:03:52
with the help of Dave oh and Dave I
01:03:54
commend Dave always that's my best
01:03:56
friend that's my best friend my best
01:03:58
friend he's a real bad [ __ ] yeah he is
01:04:01
it's true
01:04:03
you hear that Dave well guys you guys
01:04:07
are also the baddest [ __ ] and we love
01:04:09
you we hope you keep listening we hope
01:04:12
you keep it wait weird if I have to tell
01:04:15
you not talking about this weird you
01:04:17
should get your priorities in check baby
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don't Bear duck
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