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the Sims one was resurrected and the Beautiful Salad Fingers was resurrected exactly like that everything is
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connected yeah go listen to fog bodies because it's a good episode I think it's a great episode I loved that one I
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immediately got imposter syndrome D did you see that happen in real time I was like it's a good episode I think I don't
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know maybe not actually it sucks don't listen to this shut it off right now actually no it's a great episode it is
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it's one of those like really fascinating spooky weird history ones that we just love to dive into dare I
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say she's a morbid classic oh oh oh enjoy it my friends we love you Happy Thanksgiving what the [ __ ] is that
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the way to lead into a rerun okay so enjoy enjoy hey weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is morbid
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[Music] whoop there it is we are here and you didn't forget your name this time I
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didn't I don't know what happened last time it was late at night yeah that's what it was it was a late night
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recording I zoned out a bit I had a moment feeling Zony I was just on a space level I know
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usually I feel like that's like a very me thing to do but you you were not here with us I was on an ash
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level that's scary I I was not I was on a space level I was going to say I don't
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think you've ever been on an ash level truly truly don't think I ever have most people haven't that's okay only Ash but
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you know what my level here we are and we're going to do something that is um it definitely is true crime but it's
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like ancient True Crime oo leave it to you because I've always been really interested in bog bodies and you said
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that to me the other day and I said I don't know what that means she said huh I was like are you talking about
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cranberry juice um no not really no although uh who likes cranberry juice I think doesn't Drew yeah Drew really
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likes cranberry juice I just thought of that although who likes I thought you were like doing a poll really fast hey
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guys who likes cranberry juice I also kind of was I was going to be like show of hands do you like cranberry juice he
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that boy loves cranberry juice and like not even cranberry juice cocktail like Regina George like cranberry juice
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that's a lot for me yeah cranberry juice is is very aggressive to me it's tart very tart yeah I this is so yucka but I
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used to drink it when I was constipated when I was little I got constipated a lot when I
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was little and my mom would just give me some cranberry juice so now I hate it and it would work apparently yeah oh
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that [ __ ] that [ __ ] makes you [ __ ] that shit'll work yeah I can't do a cranberry
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juice but you know what uh this isn't about cranberry juice nah this is about bog bodies which are very far off from
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cranberry juice although I guess they're a little like um like sour you should their way of their way
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of being is very sour look at the face the face they can't I wish you could see the face it's literally Ash is just
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making a tart face like my nose is all wrinkled so let's talk I'm sure some of you have probably heard of bog bodies
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because they've been around like PE there's been a ton of discoveries in the last like several years of these
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especially in northern Europe well [ __ ] uh but they're not like don't feel bad
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if you don't know what they are because like it's weird but and like they're not making as big a
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deal out of these as I think they should cuz they make a big deal out of like the
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randomst [ __ ] but like not the I mean this is pretty random [ __ ] but it's very
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random [ __ ] make a big deal of this it's interesting from what you've you've told
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me like a little tidbit yeah these are whole ass people yeah that in fact oh sorry I interrupted go ahead oh no I was
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going to say that have been preserved for like thousands of years okay I'm glad I let you go because Alena was
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looking at like some pictures the other day going through this and there was basically like the remains of somebody
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and I thought that they had put a wig on this person I was like did they put a [ __ ] wig on them and Elena said nor
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nor yeah that's exactly what I said she said that's his hair and I was like what
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and I was like that's a 2000-year-old hair right there so crazy yeah it's wild so let's talk about what bog B what bog
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bares what bog bodes are I was in a place of like nor clear and you were like let's go get to some bar bodies I
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don't know what's going on okay tomater tomator so we're going to talk about bog
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bodies I'm going to tell you what they are how they form what is in a bog that makes these bog bodies stay the way they
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are that's my biggest question because my first thought is the bog of Eternal stench from Labyrinth that checks that's
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literally when I hear bog of Eternal stench is my next thought I love that you think of that because as we know I
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think of cranberry juice but like the two Ocean Spray guys oh yeah whatever happened to them what happened to them I
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don't watch cable anymore so maybe they're still there maybe they're still around yeah just standing in the
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cranberry bog I bet they are they are cuz bog bodies B bodies preservatives they're B Brothers ancient these are
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basically ancient and I mean ancient like from the Iron Age Old like BCE so these are ancient bodies found buried in
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Pete marshes and bogs and again like I said in northern Europe mostly okay we're talking people from as long ago as
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8,000 BC my brain just like can't even wrap itself around that outrageous and by the way BCE is before
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Common Era yes and is a newer convention to date things and one that I like so that's why I'm using it I'm happy for
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you thank you a lot of them seem to come from around like I said said the early Iron Age which like wo and I think
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that's somewhere around 500 BC to 400 CE which is Common Era okay like this is wildly old we're in the Common Era right
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we're in the Common Era right is that well it's it's outrageously old like this is literally like before Common Era
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and then basically like after Common Era so we're in the after we're we're currently in the after I would say oh
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[ __ ] okay so this but this is 400 so this is way long ago like three steps ago outrageously old is the moral of
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this story like these are people who we would only be able to study from things that we find and if we find things it's
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like whoa we found this ancient thing from 2,000 years ago like it's always this amazing Discovery but now we've
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discovered whole ass people right with their things still on them are there any cool things that like we don't know
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about that we do now well the things aren't even what we're looking at here it's more what happened to these people
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because a lot of these people died by straight up murder B body bodies I don't know why I keep saying baries bog baries
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bog baries I don't know why it feels rat okay but whatever it's not bog bodies it's hard to say yeah these people were
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often violently killed huh like they're not just people who died by natural causes old age you know sickness
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whatever and then they were buried in these bogs right no they were like ritualistically sacrificed or straight
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up just murdered for no ritual it's like some smiley face killer type [ __ ] it's
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intense and due to the biological magic of their very unique and specific environments these bogs they're found
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completely preserved sometimes with all their hair skin and clothing still intact like I
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thought you were done when it was the lady in the lake like I was like oh wow I can't get crazier than that never done
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here we go we are always ratcheting it up that huge Notch you are for sure always trying to at least I read a book
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called bog bodies uncovered solving Europe's ancient Mystery by Miranda alhouse green I bet you did and it's
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real good I'm going to I'm going to tag it in the uh show not show notes if I had seen that on a library shelf I would
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have been Elena that is for you that's for my girl I really like she had a very good way of describing everything she
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went into like the violence associated with it she covered so many of these bodies cuz there's so many I'm only
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going to cover a little handful today are we're going to do like a couple parts I might do a part two Our Lives
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yeah talking about more of these bodies because there's just so many interesting
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ones but the way that she described and referred to bogs is something I really liked which sounds weird I know but she
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described them like this she said bogs were and are special places my asmic and fearsome they hover in the tween space
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between land and water they are both and they are neither oh that's an author right like a really beautiful sentence
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to me also can we just like take a moment to study the author shouting out the author like check that out author
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supporting authors tiny url.com slthe Butcher and the ren the amount of people that now say that to me I'm like yes we
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should put that on a shirt I love it you should tattoo that on yourself there you
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go just tattoo that word I'll just tattoo it on my hand the link will forever be active uh but yeah that's
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just like a really beautiful way of describing a bog yeah it absolutely is is something that is you think of as
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like probably stinky and like gross like a bog yeah when I think bog I other than
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like my guys in the in the men I also think of swamps yeah just like green bubbly stinky water you know
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what I mean like just yuckiness it's so funny though cuz Cranberry Bogs are beautiful that's true but bog of Eternal
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stench so that's where we're at Pete is what we're talking about here so Pete bogs now Pete is a mat what what I just
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thought you met a man named Pete just Pete bog you were like Pete is what we're talking about here and I was like
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well I was not up to speed Then Pete p e a t I'm going to take a seat Pete is a material created by the slow
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decomposition of organic matter and is often formed in these bogs the bogs are what I described above and a lot of
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things can't really thrive in or around them unless they're very specific to bogs so they're formed when shallow
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bodies of water have plants and such that will fall into the bodies of water and because there's a massive lack of
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oxygen in these places it will just lay there and decompos very slowly like very
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like hundreds and thousands of years basically hanging in a preserved state for quite some time but making the body
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of water a bog and making the layers of organic material building up over time and decomposing very slowly become
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Pete now sphagnum it's sphagnum it's hard to say sphagnum no you did agree there it is sphagnum moss is actually
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one of the big reasons why Pete is is able to preserve and it sounds like I'm saying a man named Pete it does is it's
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why Pete is able to preserve bodies and other organic material so well sphagnum lives in bog moss and when the Moss dies
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it releases the sphagnum into the surrounding area in the Bog Water it actually turns if there's or an organic
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like a person in there or even like an animal body it will turn the skin leathery and kind of brown looking like
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it will tan it essentially and any hair will seemingly be dyed a coppery red color Oh I thought that man's just had
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like some [ __ ] flow that's cuz it's it does it turns in a beautiful Auburn like coppery auburn color I feel
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like it's the red that you look for that I go for like that is my like o I want that red every time I see it I'm like
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that's the color R my hair stylist girlies it's like a 734 or like a 743 there you go next time
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I go to the hair stylist I'm bringing a picture of a bog and like that's the color I want go offen can you do a
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sphagnum color do it but either way it's very interesting so as you'll see any bog body that you will see is a dark
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color because they've been tanned and their hair is that fiery coppery auburn color which makes it a little difficult
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to tell what their hair color was before that yeah but usually it ends up the more coppery it is the more it was like
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light it was in real life like a gray or or a blonde that makes and then is it like a darker copper if they had darker
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hair exactly so bog Oaks are the only trees that grow around bogs and the oak that falls into the bog actually also
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helps with that preservation and Tanning process as well so it's like a mixture of things that need to come together but
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when it does it is like perfect preservation that's crazy isn't it wild just like the [ __ ] that we that happens
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that we don't understand science is wild it really is I've always enjoyed science
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it's it's so so interesting like I was this was blowing my mind while I was reading it you're blowing my mind I'm
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blowing your mind so only when these bodies are discovered and then taken out and exposed to oxygen because while
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they're under there they're not getting any oxygen only when they're taken out and the oxygen comes in contact with
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them do they really begin to decompose naturally but so many are still preserved today they're able to keep
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them in Like Oxygen sealed tanks you know what I mean like they but they have to do it quick like the the transfer
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process for these things it's super delicate super fast you don't want to like [ __ ] with this a lot because
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they'll start to just fall apart right and they do eventually they will fall apart but we can keep them for as long
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as we can now some people believe that a lot of these bodies were placed in the bogs as like a warning almost or some
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kind of a punishment a warning to others because some of them would be staked down in the Bog inste like held down in
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the Bog and sometimes through their limbs and sometimes while they were alive they would be put in these bogs
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and then like Stakes would be run through their arms while they were alive and then they would be left there and
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usually they were facing upward so if somebody came to the bog they would just see this pale face of a human dead and
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lying Stak down in the Bog [ __ ] a whole bunch of that yeah and they were being
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punished because by doing this they were remaining in the in in between place where their body couldn't even decompose
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okay so this was a punishment like we're not even going to allow your body to decompose in your soul to leave oh and
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if you're stuck in this bog nothing's going to be able to remove your soul for the afterlife you're going to be stuck
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here it's like they were creating like man-made Purgatory exactly because bogs have always kind of been looked at as a
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place where evil spirits live and dwell and they remain so this would be somewhere this would be somewhere to
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place someone you wanted to punish putting them in that dark evil and Frozen in Time place to never fully
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freely cross over to the other side sometimes I feel like I'm in a bog yeah don't we all man do you ever feel like
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you're in a b there you go forever sometimes and sometimes they would even remove a lot of times actually they
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would remove the person's head and they place the head in one part of the BG and
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the body in another so they couldn't even come together come together together as one oh I was in a place of
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Beatles I was in a place of ghosts as always usually um so yeah so they would do that so sometimes people will find
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these heads of bog bodies and sometimes they don't ever find the bodies what it's real spooky okay are you going to
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tell me how like the first bog body was found like who was just like swimming in
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a bog one day so these I'm going to tell you about a few interesting bog bodies what we can say is that every single bog
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body has been found by accident never been I figured yeah nobody's ever gone in search of a bog body that I can find
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there's no fish in bog right I don't believe like many things can live in a bog but I'm honestly not positive okay
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but either way it's almost always when people are doing Peete cutting which is like removing layers of Pete because we
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do use Pete moths for like you know landscaping and [ __ ] yeah I've heard of that you've heard Pete moth I sure have
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yeah like people use it for things so people will go and dredge it up like these big bales of Pete essentially and
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that's when they find these Pete bodies or bog bodies because they'll find them in between the layers of Pete do they
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still use the Pete sometimes sometimes it happens you know gross you know that's why um I actually this is a total
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Sidetrack but it's like somewhat in there you are in a place of Ash I am I am uh I was watching a talk the other
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night and somebody was talking about it's the who's the guy who does the it was the 90s oh Kevin Kevin he was
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talking about how he had out of a bone graft in his mouth and they put a cadav bone in there and then he was worried he
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wanted to know who it was from and then he was talking about having a haunted a haunted face yeah I also have a cadaver
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bone in my mouth so I have a haunted face too and I never thought about it that's cool so I just wanted to put that
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out I have extra bones in my mouth there you go go but yours are just natural not
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haunted yeah those are mine yeah they're just hers I'm haunted but by myself my face is haunted so that's fun what if
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it's like a really [ __ ] bag human well I'm grateful for their bone okay is all
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I can say but either way this Pete M your Peete Moss could be haunted yeah oh absolutely by a b body I don't want any
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Pete Moss anymore I want all the Pete Moss that checks like that's awesome I'm going to call my landscaper after this
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and be like hi remove the Pete Moss my [ __ ] imaginary landscape there you go hello remove the Pete Moss at
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once I want to call someone and say that just call a landscaper just any landscaper we don't have your phone
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number on our Client List ma'am this is a Wendy's I don't care remove the Pete M
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get it out of here post taste all right so we're going to talk about the Elling woman Okie do she's uh all of these bog
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bodies none of them have names they don't you know we can't really tell who they were so they're always named after
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the air area in which they were found okay I was going to say that that that makes
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sense I was going to say that sounds pretty it does the Elling woman she was found in Denmark in 1938 I want to go
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there she's believed to be from 280 BCE during the Iron Age shut up shut up okay
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just for like my folks out there what's the Iron Age the Iron Age yeah well according to Google self uh it is a
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prehistoric period that followed the the Bronze Age when weapons and tools came to be made of iron which makes sense or
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in mythology just for like my interested mythology folks out there the last and worst age of the world a time of
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wickedness and oppression W wa so like two very drastic differences there very much sometimes there was iron and
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sometimes there was wickedness you know what and there was a lot of wickedness in these bog body situations boom segue
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we're talking about the Elling woman and her Discovery was made in I'm going to give this my best shot but H boy some of
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these pronunciations was jailed scov doll I believe it bed scub doll by a man named
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yenz zacharis who was a farmer um she so he was cutting and digging Pete like everybody was like
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everybody's all about the Pete digging luckily this was like kind of it was a good removal process because a lot of
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these bog B tend to get either like kind of like cut apart by the Pete digging process
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accidentally or when they are removed from the Pete especially like in the 30s in the 50s when this [ __ ] was happening
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they didn't know what they were doing they didn't know what the hell this thing was so most of them thought they
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were recent murder victims so they would pull them out not knowing that these are
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very fragile and very old right but luckily this one had a little bit of a like ease in transfer process so this
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farmer he saw this clear body and was like oh [ __ ] this is a human and instead
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of fleeing um or as we're going to find out in another case this happens allowing villagers to take pieces of the
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human being with them no that happens in another one luckily in this time it didn't happen this guy Zacharias he
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immediately called the national museum of Denmark and they were able to remove her properly so so good job yens now it
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was later determined that this girl was about 25 years old at the time of her murder oh she was wearing a sheep skin
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cloak and a cowhide blanket wrapped around her and had more fabric made from cowhide wrapped around her lower body a
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lot of these were wrapped in a lot of layers um there was also a Woolen belt wrapped around her and there was a
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leather rope tied around her neck with a slip knot oh [ __ ] yeah do you think that
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being um like uh having many layers helped with the preservation too um honestly maybe but to be honest a lot
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it's it's kind of 5050 a lot of them are found with a lot of layers but a lot of
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them are found just naked with nothing on them and they and actually one of the most preserved bog bodies that we're
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going to talk about the tullen man he was completely naked okay so it doesn't so I don't really think it matters but
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I'm sure it doesn't hurt um so there was the leather rope tied around her neck with a slip knot and her back was almost
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perfectly preserved and it was immediately apparent that she had long hair that had been intricately braided
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before she was killed which this would happen sometimes in ritualistic killings they would braid the hair huh yeah
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pictures of this you can find and they're amazing this braiding is perfectly preserved it was pleaing back
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then exactly and uh it it's preserved like you can see every little bit of that braid like a wig wow it really does
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and it's copper her hair is a little darker so I believe her hair must have been darker in life oh okay but it's
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wild it's very amazing it looks like it was done yesterday when you look at it I'm going to goo but her front of her
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body was a little more deade so it was a little tougher now further testing done
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in the 70s in the 1970s told scientists that she definitely had been hanged and that was how she was killed there was a
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deep laceration around her neck from the hanging she's believed to have possibly
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been used as a sacrifice to the gods by her Village perhaps like a fertility sacrifice could be any number of
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sacrificial reasons honestly I'm looking at her hair right now wild amazing insane yeah now the next one I'm going
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to talk about is the tullen man and I just mentioned him you did one of the most incredibly preserved of the bog
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bodies he was found by two peac cutting Farmers uh May 11th 1950 he was also found in b b jailed scov doll bog in
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Denmark you did it uh he was found 12 years after Ellen woming Elling woman in the same bog oh [ __ ] isn't that
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interesting that is interesting according because these bodies are in like layers of Pete right so like you
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can sometimes miss them or you get pieces of them now according to the book I already mentioned um she said quote as
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they worked they suddenly saw in the Pete layer a face so fresh that they could only suppose they had stumbled
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upon a recent murder o he is over 2,000 years old what which makes his preservation even more incredibly
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impressive scientists believe he was somewhere around 30 to 40 years old when he was killed which 40 years old would
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have made him kind of elderly back then yeah like to be honest yeah and it was likely a ritualistic sacrifice he was
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found with a braided leather noose wrapped around his neck and he looks like he is sleeping oh literally in a
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fetal position and has a very peaceful look on his face where you can see every line and wrinkle like he would just
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start breathing in front of you oh he's naked but he's still wearing a little pointed cap and you can see chin hairs
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what legitimately they were able to determine his last meal no 2,000 years ago what he ate so um they he ate
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porridge a bunch of grains and some bony fish and they said it was about 12 to 24 hours
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before he was hanged and then thrown in the Bog bony fish they also think someone may have positioned him maybe it
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was like a family member or something like kind of cuz a lot of these bodies are tossed in there a lot of them have
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looks of Anguish on their faces still because they were like ritualistically killed most of them I I haven't even
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gotten into yet some of the worst ones some of the ones that were tortured and abused before being killed they are bad
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and but this guy the Tallen man he is so peaceful looking he is so I'm looking at
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him right now and he was found on his side like just sleeping he looks like he was like literally taking a little cat
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now yeah it's wild oh wow I'm looking at the whole body Now isn't it incredible oh my God now the next one I'm going to
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talk about is the I think it's pronounced the Ed girl I looked at several pron iations for this I believe
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it's Edie the girl from Edie is a um is a bog body from the Netherlands she was found May 12th
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1897 stop it by two Pete Cutters who were cutting through the Pete in a bog that was just near the village of Edy
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when they dredged up the layers of Pete they found her just lying there between the layers of course they freaked the
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[ __ ] out and ran away because honestly a lot of people probably would and in the
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1800s they were like this is a Damon the devil and they also literally thought it
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was the devil because she had a a big lock of FY red hair yeah I actually just saw that so they thought it was the
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devil like they thought they had Unleashed it my God but they're like he lives in the ball they're like he's in
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the Bog guys but they creeped back and then they just hid her under the Pete again probably because they figured if
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they left her there then the demon would stay in the Bog or something I don't know yeah yeah leave the devil in the
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Bog but apparently she was dug up again over a week later I think the mayor actually dug her back up he was like
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let's see this let's see this Damon in the Bog but she wasn't pulled out of the bog very carefully unfortunately oh no
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yes when what they could determine was that she was a 16 maybe 14 to 16-year-old girl and was killed over
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2,000 years before she was taken out of the bog in 1897 they used her remaining bones and
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also the fact that her wisdom teeth had not erupted or formed roots in her mouth
00:29:28
to determine her approximate age damn isn't it crazy that even back then people had wisdom to yeah wisdom fun
00:29:34
fact I don't have them look at that evolved they estimate she was only about 4 and 1/2 ft tall she was very tiny
00:29:40
stature when she was found like I said she had tons of fiery red hair again it's important to note that the swagnum
00:29:48
gases turn the skin brown hair red but they believe she might have had light auburn hair okay um so maybe like closer
00:29:56
to a strawberry blonde kind like using overtone there you go she had a ton of hair though yeah she looks like Merida
00:30:03
yeah and honestly though the um interestingly the right side of her very long hair had been shorn off oh and they
00:30:09
believe it was shaved off as like a weird punishment maybe yeah like this is a common thing in a lot of the bog
00:30:15
bodies that the hair was shorn before their interment basically yeah it's very weird now also the villagers had come to
00:30:24
the place where she was being taken out of the bog they took several of her teeth locks of her hair and even some of
00:30:32
her bones why yeah they just took him with him what I'm like you guys think this is
00:30:38
a demon and you're like hey let me let me get a piece of that also I hope they all got haunted as [ __ ] to be honest so
00:30:45
weird like you deserve to have an Annabelle situation you dicks hey red hair there you go Annabelle Annabelle
00:30:54
baby now she was also wearing a heavy wool cloak which she still had on her when they found her I want a cloak and
00:31:00
also it appears that she was indeed murdered because there was still a cord made of wool that was wrapped three
00:31:07
times around her neck isn't it wild that like even BCE we were just out here killing people oh so much like why from
00:31:15
the dawn of time has everybody been like kill murder kill always we've always been the worst yeah like what is up with
00:31:22
this speech and this was so it was tied in a slip knot and was likely some kind of belt that they used she also had a
00:31:30
stab wound to her chest and it was near her collar bone or at the base of her throat damn and the wound had been made
00:31:37
by a knife that's like a shitty area too basically going for the heart I would think now her face was actually
00:31:43
reconstructed in 1992 saw that and it was using the body it's incredible to look at Richard Neeve who was the artist
00:31:51
who did it and like he I can't believe that he was able to do that when you look at the bog body or like how the
00:31:58
[ __ ] did you do that yeah that was my instant thought amazing you can see Ed girl and her reconstruction at the dren
00:32:05
Museum in Asen Netherlands we should go we should go now the next one I'm going to talk about is the cloney caveen man
00:32:15
and the old Krogan man okay so two different people two different men got it but discovered in the same vog Okie
00:32:22
do so in in the same year too in 2003 what two bodies were dis CED within a 3 Monon span of time in bogs in CL cloney
00:32:31
Caven County meath and Krogan Hill they were found by Peak Cutters of course which is you know starting to sound like
00:32:39
a pretty high-risk job if risk includes finding ritualistically murdered corpses
00:32:44
on the regular that's a risk in my book pretty risky yeah um the first which again was called the cloney cave and man
00:32:51
for obvious reasons that's where he was found was actually accidentally cut in half by the machine used to dig the Pete
00:32:58
oh no yeah but his upper body showed that he had been brutally murdered his skull was literally smashed open and his
00:33:06
nose the bridge of his nose was like destroyed MH um they believed that somebody used a stone axe to hit him in
00:33:13
the head and in the nose that like gives me a headache it was three blows to the
00:33:18
head and one across the body as well with the axe he was also disemboweled [ __ ] and this is where it
00:33:25
gets crazy his nipples were noticeably cut off and this is important I swear I'll come back to it I'll come back oh
00:33:33
it is he was from all the way back to between 392 and 201 BC yeah where [ __ ] popped off apparently definitely popped
00:33:42
off with these guys when he was examined after being taken out of the bog cloney
00:33:47
Caven man's hair actually looked like it was styled is that the one that I saw um
00:33:54
I no that was a different one okay this one is actually styled using plant oil they found so it was intentionally
00:34:01
styled that's what they used like literally like gel how cool is that isn't that crazy yeah and cool that like
00:34:08
the bog didn't mess that up it didn't mess it up and it was in what looked like a mohawk almost oh [ __ ] yeah he was
00:34:15
[ __ ] cool he was and the makeshift gel was import had to have been imported from either France or Spain cuz that's
00:34:22
where that specific plant grows yo isn't that wild that is really [ __ ] so cool
00:34:29
I was like this is really cool I really into this this is a this is I don't just
00:34:34
a weird thing yeah so the national museum of Ireland actually used samples of cloney Cav's hair to determine that
00:34:41
he ate a lot of they were able to use hair to determine that he ate a a lot of fresh vegetables good for him and
00:34:47
because they were recently ingested by him they were able to say he was murdered in the late summer or early
00:34:54
fall cuz that's when they would have been fresh which like whoa summer squash that's just so wild they used his crazy
00:35:01
hair to say what he ate and then they were able to determine when he died because it had to have been fresh and in
00:35:10
season that's why Pros asks you what you eat there you go what your eating habits
00:35:14
are like look at that always able to take it back heyo now that was the um the cloney caveen man in the Krogan Hill
00:35:23
area they discovered another body this was the old Krogan man in the in bog he was also brutally butchered and dumped
00:35:31
there he had defensive wounds on his upper arms where he had apparently tried to stop whatever was stabbing him but he
00:35:38
was stabbed in the arms instead and apparently part of his torture was that he had Hazel branches literally threaded
00:35:46
through holes that had been cut out of his arms girl like whoa are those like spiky I don't know branes branches like
00:35:56
bendable branches so they had cut holes in his arms and then threaded branches through them while he was alive that is
00:36:05
so [ __ ] up and they did this they they put like threaded these branches through
00:36:09
him to hold him down in the Bog while he was being stabbed in the chest and neck oh then then his head had been
00:36:19
completely cut off his body and he had been bisected chopped in half uh his nipples were also cut off stop and
00:36:31
he was from somewhere between 362 and 175 BC are we going to get any explanation about the nip nips we are
00:36:38
okay but what also they found a braided I think he was actually naked like completely except for a braided armband
00:36:46
around his bicep and it was made of leather and had a bronze amulet in it which is interesting he was somewhere
00:36:53
between 6'6 holy he was a tall all drink of water oh honey we love a tall man calm
00:37:01
down over there and he was well-nourished apparently and he taking samples from his hair actually proved
00:37:08
that he was wealthy enough to eat meat as part of his regular diet which was rare yeah and meant he must have been in
00:37:15
the upper echelon out there eating those turkey legs so they agree scientists agree that both of these men were
00:37:21
clearly of the upper echelon of social class they were in their 20s they were not laborers they were were
00:37:27
well-nourished and showed that they had eaten well in their lives they also had well manicured nails oh which could be
00:37:34
noticed immediately and this meant that they definitely hadn't worked for a living they weren't doing manual labor
00:37:40
right this could also mean apparently I found somewhere else that they could determine that maybe these people were
00:37:47
thieves and that they didn't work for their living they stole for their living and that's why their hands were well
00:37:52
manicured okay but they don't believe that with these two because along with how they ate in their hair and they were
00:37:59
able to use styling gel essentially imported from [ __ ] France exactly that these were clearly not just like
00:38:05
thieves these were upper social class wouldn't it be so cool if like eventually we got I mean I don't want to
00:38:12
get like too many of these bodies of course but we have so many of them if we got like so many in the same place where
00:38:18
we could kind of like Trace lineage and everything you know like that'd be so cool I feel like it it could actually
00:38:24
happen like we have so much that we're getting from and it's like year by year as technology
00:38:30
and science like goes forward and just like gets better and better they're getting more and more from these bodies
00:38:37
cuz some of the things that when they would first get them either in the 80s and the 50s and they you know even the
00:38:43
90s they would think one thing but then we get into the 2000s and everything progressed and then all of a sudden they
00:38:50
go oh wait a second that wasn't the case cuz now we know like some of them there
00:38:54
was a couple that they were like we don't know if this cracked skull is from the layers of Pete MOS Crush Pete Moss
00:39:02
crushing their skull or if it was a Perry morom injury right right and sometimes they would say they think it's
00:39:09
from the Pete Moss and then later they would discover no that was actually done perimortem because we can see evidence
00:39:16
of swelling around the wounds that's crazy which shows that there was bruising which shows that there was
00:39:21
blood flow while it was happening that is just like wild which is just waa whoa wow whoa uh now the nipple thing please
00:39:30
so please no but also please yes please no please yes uh it was important because apparently this led a lot of
00:39:36
researchers to believe that these men could have actually been failed Kings or people in line of sucession who failed
00:39:44
to become Kings so if you fail to become a king they oh I'm going to explain they rip
00:39:50
your nips so are you ready to hear something uh a little shocking I mean I'm going to usually for you yeah I'm
00:39:58
going to say a sentence Oh God that I didn't know I would ever say she's she's looking nervous apparently in Ireland
00:40:06
back in the day our family our family sucking on a king's nipples was once suggested as a form of
00:40:15
submission wait what like like to submit to a King that is what you did that's hot I read something I read something
00:40:26
that said isn't it easier just to kneel and kiss a ring like isn't that just like like Kiss
00:40:32
the Ring kind of like isn't that easier like you got to get undressed you got to
00:40:37
expose your bosom so kings are just whipping their kings are Kings are just horny is What's happen Wy Wy coyote very
00:40:46
Wy Wy nipply coyote so with that in mind which I'm sorry you have that in mind now I apologize but now we're all here
00:40:54
together that's just funny if you sliced off a King's nipples then you have officially deemed him ineligible for
00:41:01
kingship so cutting them off this way maybe was a way to remove or even signify the failed kingship Kings or
00:41:10
those in line would be ritualistically sacrificed at time at times like way back in ancient times because if crops
00:41:18
failed or cattle got sick or something happened in the village King's fault it was the king's responsibility to
00:41:24
sacrifice himself through a ritual to bring back the prosperity to his village did he have to cut off his own nipples
00:41:31
he didn't have to cut them off himself but he had to have them cut off oh it's like a lot oh gosh I gotta like I gotta
00:41:39
go according to IR the Irish examiner Ned Kelly who is the keeper of Antiquities at the national museum of
00:41:45
Ireland says quote cutting them would have made him incapable of kingship in this world and the next well [ __ ] that
00:41:53
doesn't seem fair yeah so you cut it all from here to the Nether world they're like you won't even have nipples when
00:41:59
you're a ghost [ __ ] I'm saying but he said there is also the possibility that the nipple cutting was
00:42:05
just a degradation thing or a humiliation thing associated with torture and murder I could see both
00:42:11
either way really bad and they do believe that with these two because of everything else that these definitely
00:42:18
could have been Nobles and in line of succession or failed Kings [ __ ] yeah now
00:42:23
let's talk about a bog body mix up that ultimately led to a very or more very when in relative to these ones recent
00:42:36
murder conviction what yes so this is a bog body mixup not to be confused with old Greg's downstairs
00:42:45
mixup uh May 13th 1983 Steven douly and Andy molds were doing the old Pete Moss cut and dig
00:42:54
thing everybody out here Pete Moss just all the time and they were in Cheshire county England in the London Moss bog
00:43:01
they ended up finding during this process a big ball of Pete that was like stuck together and they initially joked
00:43:09
that it looked like a dinosaur egg or they were like oh it's like a burst football or something spoiler alert it
00:43:14
wasn't it was not but then they cleaned it off it was actually a human skull that was later determined to be a female
00:43:21
who was between the ages of 30 and 50 years old it was so well preserved that everyone was like holy [ __ ] this is a
00:43:29
recent murder victim like this is not a bog body from like ancient times of course authorities started looking into
00:43:36
recent missing women in the area this is the 80s remember and one in particular started to look like it could
00:43:42
potentially fit this skull a woman named Malika Maria de Fernandez who had gone missing in the 60s and her case had gone
00:43:50
cold she had never been found when she had originally turned up missing back in the 60s her husband Peter rainart was
00:43:58
was interviewed and due to knowledge of their sour marriage and the fact that he
00:44:03
lived feet away from this bog authorities honestly thought he was possibly the one who caused her
00:44:09
disappearance but they just couldn't gather enough evidence to prove it or really to bring him in for much and keep
00:44:15
him now they had done a fullscale investigation and learned that Fernandez was gone traveling the the person who's
00:44:24
missing was had gone traveling a lot like they didn't really have a close marriage it like things were going wrong
00:44:31
and during the time she went missing she had threatened to tell British authorities that her husband was gay now
00:44:38
in the 60s that was considered a criminal offense in the UK [ __ ] wild so he would have been arrested she had
00:44:45
gone missing after this particular fight whether he was gay or not is not what's
00:44:50
at stake here that is nobody really knows the fact that it was also the fact that she was going to to go to the
00:44:57
authorities e whether he was or wasn't and say he was right right so it had been decades and no one had found a
00:45:04
trace of Fernandez but rainbar had been arrested in the interim and he had been released he wasn't arrested for that he
00:45:12
was arrested on sexual abuse against several children oh [ __ ] this guy so he's an actual piece of [ __ ] just keep
00:45:18
that in mind for a second I was like oh I feel kind of bad for I was wow bye that's why I was like we don't know
00:45:24
anything about this guy except that he's a piece of [ __ ] correct and his cellmates had actually come forward and
00:45:29
said that he bragged about killing his wife chopping her up to pieces and burying her all over his yard now they
00:45:37
dug up parts of his garden and yard and they found nothing of real importance so
00:45:42
they bring him in for questioning once they found this skull because it's in the Bog next to his house it's a woman
00:45:48
and it's in the right age range as soon as they begin to explain what they have found to him he confessed everything he
00:45:56
completely admitted into murdering his wife 20 something years prior yep he told authorities that he had gone into a
00:46:04
rage when she threatened to go to the authorities and he had grabbed her and what he said he did was he had shaken
00:46:10
her until she died doubt it like okay like she's not a baby sir he said he had immediately gone into problem solving
00:46:18
mode and he decided he just had to dismember her entire body with an axe including decapitating her and he tried
00:46:25
to burn parts of her but it wasn't working so he threw them in the Bog oh that's why they only found her head so
00:46:32
far mhm he just figured it was a matter of time before they found the rest of her body parts and that's why he
00:46:38
admitted it either way he confessed and they' found her skull it was a solid case of murder wow where's the mixup so
00:46:47
off they went to search and gather the rest of Fernandez's remains that were supposed to be in this bug but searching
00:46:53
for hours and days they turned up nothing not one of body part was found so authorities were like [ __ ] we we
00:47:00
really have to sh up this head we have to make sure you know we really have to like confirm this is her because if we
00:47:05
can't get the rest of her body parts we got to have this for our slam dunk so detective inspector George Abbott had
00:47:12
the had the heads sent to Oxford University research laboratory for archaeology and the history of art to be
00:47:19
thoroughly examined thoroughly dated thoroughly ided when they returned their findings they said yes this is is a
00:47:27
woman between the ages of 30 and 50 years old but it is also a woman who died about
00:47:34
1,700 years ago Dude whoops so when rainbar was informed of this he of course was like oh my God yes
00:47:48
I didn't kill her just kidding phw glad we cleared that up bring out Ashton Kutcher because I just punked you whoa I
00:47:55
was totally kidding I was playing the long game but they were like no you definitely did it you piece of [ __ ] and
00:48:01
you conf you can admit it to it [ __ ] off and his murder charge stood and he was
00:48:07
sentenced to life in prison good they were never able to find Fern Fernandez as real body oh I hope they do but he
00:48:14
did go to prison for life he definitely did it he admitted it to several people including the authorities and he was he
00:48:21
admitted it based on a 1,700 yearold head that he thought was is his wife's that that's some wit [ __ ] that is some
00:48:30
bog body Justice right there that's exactly what that is that is some good vibes coming out and being like we're
00:48:37
going to get some justice for this missing woman while also finding a bog body I'm obsessed I thought that like
00:48:44
blew my mind in that case when I came across that I was like well [ __ ] do you think that he really buried her where
00:48:50
like nobody would find her or do you really think he put her in the Bog I think he might have put her in the Bog
00:48:54
but it's so big and it's like well layers and layers of Pete MTH so she might be found some who knows where she
00:49:00
he put her who knows if he put all of the pieces in the Bog and some of them are buried other places like who really
00:49:07
knows he said he tried to burn some he also sounds like a liar too though because they said that I I I think he
00:49:12
killed her obviously but he said he put her in the garden and they didn't find anything yeah I think he's a lying sack
00:49:17
[ __ ] yeah he's a bullshitter either way he's in prison for life goodbye [ __ ]
00:49:21
that guy let's get on to more bog bodies shall we so let's talk about the lindow
00:49:26
Moss bog bodies so in the same bog that they found this body in they found the remains of a very well-preserved
00:49:36
20-year-old man who later in 1984 the Press apparently named Pete Marsh where did they get the PE from okay press yeah
00:49:47
like this is an actual person like maybe don't okay press let's just keep like the naming convention with where they
00:49:56
are found we don't need to add silly little like Pete Mar no rude now the this body was
00:50:03
another one with manicured nails and a neatly done beard and a neatly done hairstyle nippies or no nippies I
00:50:11
honestly this one I don't know if he I think he did have nipples actually but um he was well-nourished and he was
00:50:17
obviously of a higher class he had been placed into the bog naked with only a leather armlet around his left bicep hm
00:50:24
amulet it I didn't see an amulet but there was definitely a braided leather like something around interesting I
00:50:30
wonder if that was like a symbol of something back then I don't know they could this is what we get to find out
00:50:34
like this is what's so cool about these things is we're seeing all these patterns and different things that are
00:50:40
connecting people into like well this must be ritualistic because of this or right this is what they did back then
00:50:46
it's just so cool but according to BBC he was killed with repeated blows to his head he was then gred he had his throat
00:50:55
sliced open and he was forced to swallow mistletoe [ __ ] then still alive he was
00:51:03
pushed with a very SE like severely violent knee to the back while he was kneeling and he fell into the bog and
00:51:11
drowned in the Bog Water oh my God yeah so the blows showed signs of swelling around two of them which means he was
00:51:20
very much alive when they were inflicted the last blow was to the top of his head
00:51:24
and it forced skull matter into into his brain o they believe too this is wild they believe that the Noose was
00:51:32
tightened as they cut his throat so that it would force the blood out quicker and
00:51:38
create more of a show Almost spraying it like basically spraying it out so brutally that they would bathe everyone
00:51:46
around him and him in his blood hygienic and what's Wild is in the book that I was telling you guys about that I'll
00:51:54
definitely tag in the show notes um she talks about how this also is really scary and like very interesting
00:52:02
because it shows that they had a very good grasp on Anatomy yeah and how the body worked and they were able to like
00:52:09
bring these people to the brink of death and then pull them back and then bring them again and pull them back like it
00:52:16
was very brutal scary very thought out very intricate torture and like to be able to know that if you squeeze on that
00:52:26
certain vessel as you cut that it's going to create that wild spray of blood and make it like a show like theatrical
00:52:34
that's so wild that they were able to think like that back then it's insane and like have that weird control over a
00:52:40
human body it's just like really creepy and I hadn't thought of it until uh Miranda the author of that book like
00:52:47
brought it up in one of the chapters and I was like oh you're right right there was also evidence that he had inhaled
00:52:53
sphagnum so he was very much alive when he was pushed into the bog he inhaled the Bog Water oh a lot of Overkill with
00:53:00
this one definitely so after that one we're going to talk about the grale man I believe that's how you say it this is
00:53:08
a wild injury preserved in time forever April 26 1952 Pete Cutters shocking were
00:53:16
doing their thing in a bog near be nebble guard Fern in the village of groel Denmark when they discovered what
00:53:24
appeared to be a very recent corpse in Tang in the Bog it was not very recent they actually thought that this was like
00:53:31
within the last like 10 year they were like this is a very recent body and they informed The Village doctor and rri
00:53:38
balev an archaeologist of this discovery they when they came to see it they were
00:53:43
like whoa this is wild and they in turn turned this over to the researchers at the orus Museum of
00:53:50
prehistory this man was over 2,300 years old oh my God and he was probably about 30 years old when he was
00:53:57
brutally murdered he was naked he had a ton of hair that looks very fiery Auburn
00:54:03
this is the guy that you saw that you thought had a wig on okay he reminded me of the professor from Harry Potter yes
00:54:09
right the hair you're thinking of lockart right yes yep yeah lock heart's like crazy hair you're right it's very
00:54:15
much like that actually um wow that's wild and uh obviously we've learned that this probably wasn't his natural hair
00:54:22
color maybe he had Lockhart's hair color actually perhaps you know bog gas and [ __ ] he had well manicured nails and his
00:54:29
face had preserved and this is the craziest part of him his face was preserved in a horrifically pained
00:54:36
expression I bet he looks like he was grimacing and his mouth is wide open yeah cuz what were they doing to him
00:54:43
before let's go yeah so what's most upsetting is the gaping wound in his throat it's brutal this wound it's not a
00:54:52
slice it's a gaping wound what someone did it with such force and Savage savagery that they almost cut the head
00:54:59
off completely it was literally Hanging On by skin what did they do you think well according to bog bodies uncovered
00:55:06
that book there was a huge very intense slice across the throat and then quote some small other Cuts with a smooth
00:55:14
sharp bladed instrument that struck the cervical vertebrae severed the fairings and made a large hole in the mouth
00:55:23
that's how deep it was my oh my it stretched virtually from ear to ear both cored arteries and the jugular vein were
00:55:31
severed o he was also stabbed from behind and they believe that a sword or some kind of very big blade like a
00:55:37
machete type of thing was used they also found an open wound and a break of his left tibia oh they were sure this one
00:55:45
occurred while he was being tortured and was caused by some blunt instrument being slammed into his tibia repeatedly
00:55:53
until not only did it break the bone but it opened skin on top of it oh Mama's getting nauseous over here Mama's
00:56:00
literally getting nauseous they were also able to find that in his stomach he had last ate porridge with lots of herbs
00:56:07
in it and there were signs of him having ingested Urgot which we talked about Urgot in the
00:56:13
Salem Witch Trials episode it is a poisonous fungi often found in grains it can cause like hallucinogenic like
00:56:21
hysteria essentially damn and sometimes they think they might have used that in ritualistic sacrifices they would give
00:56:28
this person this like hallucinogenic [ __ ] as part of the ritual oh I'm sorry my tiia still hurts yeah you know when
00:56:36
you get that like if you hear like oh it hurts I know it hurts you're you like want to rub your leg I'm too much of an
00:56:41
empath so let's talk about the last bog body we're going to talk about in this one oh is this like a crescendo type of
00:56:47
deal um not really I mean it's it's bad it's definitely bad but it's like they're all pretty bad I mean yeah so
00:56:53
we'll talk about the hamos woman she was discovered in 1879 near holdo's dead Mark I hope I'm saying that correctly
00:57:00
she was found by Neil's Hansen who was a teacher and he was digging Pete when he
00:57:05
saw her she was thought to have died when she was around 40 years old which again would make her pretty elderly and
00:57:11
she looks elderly like she looks like an older woman and was killed around 160 BC
00:57:17
she was wearing two what they called Skin cloaks but they were like animal skin okay and a Woolen cloak and her
00:57:24
hair was chopped off almost to the SK help o uh her right arm had been viciously hacked off and was found lying
00:57:32
next to her what are you doing she also had a long leather like leather type strap that was wrapped around her hair
00:57:39
and then twice around her neck oh wow her left arm had been bound to her body with another strap and her left leg had
00:57:47
been hacked at as well why and it's believed that she was drowned after being abused and mutilated my God now
00:57:54
that is the holder Mo woman bog bodies are insanely fascinating the fact that we can tell what they ate and
00:58:01
how they lived thousands of years later is is insane wild like my brain we're like like my brain will not wrap around
00:58:10
it properly when you look at them and I'm going to cover more of these in another episode just because I can't not
00:58:18
revisit this it's like very interesting when you look at them you just can't come to terms with the fact that that is
00:58:25
a 2,000 plus year old human being not at all like you can't do it not at all cuz
00:58:30
they're not like mummified in the classic sense of mummification like we've heard about you
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know like um like you know Under Ice that some people are preserved for like thousands of years which is also wild
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yeah and like mummies are very well preserved but like this is just and this is water well and this is like natural
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this is just when water yeah like it's so crazy and just like the weird like chemicals and like and just the violence
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associated with the bog bodies is a very interesting thing my favorite part of the whole entire thing was learning that
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even back then people were using hair gel yeah like obviously you know that cuz like as as early as like the
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beginning of time people use like berries and [ __ ] for makeup you don't think about it but you don't especially
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hair gel like I would never think about that to style into like a fauxhawk kind of thing so cool wild so that is the
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beginning at least of bog bodies that was really cool I've literally never heard of those before interesting
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subject so I hope that you guys enjoyed it too yeah I hope you did and we also hope that you keep listening and we hope
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you keep it Weir but not so weird that you make somebody suck your nipples to make you feel Noble bye k
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