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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is [Music] morbid it's morbid it's leopard print
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morbid I we've been on a journey yeah we had the the little mini book tour yes went so well it went so well but man we
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were slap Happy for a lot of it oh my God and just to explain the leopard print comment quickly up at the top we
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were listening to Alaska Thunder Fox dis discography as one does and I showed Elena the song leopard print and if you
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haven't heard it throw that [ __ ] on cuz it's a banger when I tell you it's one
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of the funniest things I've ever I don't know why it's great it hit my funny bones and it hit again so it wasn't just
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the slap Happy exhausted yeah cuz it hit during the day yeah it hit during the day too the same way he's laughing so
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hard it's me it's brilliant it's who I am everything must be leopard print and if it's not leopard print it's irel and
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I too Alaska Thunder [ __ ] would buy a leopard print elephant see so there you go there you go yeah the book tour was a
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lot of fun it was it was great you guys were great so cool to see everybody I'm still not quite understanding how it was
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real it was real I saw came like that was crazy crowds big crowds and you were lovely you were great and so engaged and
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you asked great questions and you gave me good you gave me good face while I was up there like you serving face you
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gave me good like I'm intrigued by what you're saying face which makes me feel good and I mugs were appreciated that
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yeah it was fun it was a lot of fun I would do I would do it sometime in the future I would do it sometime
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I would do it sometime again in the future it's it made me tired though that's the I'm yawning literally just
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yawning I'm a very big uh introvert yeah so uh I get like super depleted by any kind of outside of my house activity so
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it was a it was a an exercise in stamina for me I know anyone who met me at the birkar event I'm sorry if I was very low
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energy I kept thinking on the way home I was like I hope I was like kind and like
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we just really tired cuz I was like when I'm tired I can't make conversation like
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I can't no I'm the I'm terrible at it and I just keep saying oh I love that I love that and I genuinely do love that
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but I it's all my brain knows how to say after a certain point it's true but it was so cool meeting some of you guys and
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it was awesome it was so much fun you guys rule so hard I can't even begin to tell you you rule you rule so hard that
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[ __ ] want to find you and I it sounds like you know you guys are digging the second book which is blowing
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in my mind and making me so happy because I really love the second book it's pretty all right yeah you guys are
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have been awesome I appreciate that I love the second book but yeah the butcher game you know hang on tight cuz
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you know don't go anywhere after yeah cuz maybe maybe there's more I don't know Alena's got more more to say at all
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times I don't know I don't know but don't be mad at the end okay that's all I'm saying I'm mad I'm big
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mad you're big manad but technically I'm not cuz I've seen some other stuff CU you know there's I've seen the secret
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whiteboard you have it's true ha all right well it's spooky season and we have a haunting specifically A Haunting
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in Connecticut which is right over there it's right over there looking at it this
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is the sneaker family haunting I looked up how to say that multiple times so if it's wrong Google's
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wrong okay so let's talk about it let's talk about it Alan Carmen sneer met in planville Connecticut oh in
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1977 uh she was working as a server at a local bowling alley and he stopped in for a beer and they immediately thought
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the other one was a cutie PTI they said who's that hottie they said who's that them but
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then what what happened I I don't know why I said but then but then nothing nothing big happen oh they there was an
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undeniable attraction is what happened but then an undeniable attraction came in the room told you guys I was
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tired you really LED that one in you like but and I was like what there was undeniable attraction he like no they
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just really liked each other yeah but there is a butt Carmen was a single mother with two small boys at home she
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was very hesitant to dive back into a relationship again and Al had also just come out of a bitter divorce after a
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pretty short-lived marriage so they both had similar hesitations about moving too
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quickly into something that makes sense yeah and it's responsible that is so they took things slow they dated
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casually but eventually things did become more serious over like two years and they decided to get married oh look
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at them so after the wedding the family moved to Hurleyville New York where Al found work at a local stone quarry and
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Carmen was babysitting for local families while raising her own children which included her son's Philip and
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Michael from her first marriage and eventually two more children that she and Al had together their life in
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Hurleyville was small it was simple but they liked it that way they had a good Community Carmen was involved in church
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activities that kept her busy when she wasn't taking care of all the neighborhood children but in 1986 Alan
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Carmen received very unexpected and very awful news that would upend their lives
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in April of 1986 14-year-old philli developed a dry hacking cough that he just couldn't seem to shake and Al
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mentioned it to Carmen he was like what's that about and he was kind of concerned that it could be serious but
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she was like oh I think it's probably just like a seasonal cold you know everybody gets them but a week later
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Philip called his mom's attention to this small lump he found on the left side of his neck and that was when she
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got really concerned so they made an appointment with the pediatrician out of an abundance of caution that doctor
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recommended that Philip be admitted to the hospital for tests and a few days later Allan car learned that their son
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had Hodgkins lymphoma cancer of the lymphatic system oh damn at 14 years old I was just going to say so young really
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sad now as one of the many small towns uh and Villages that make up the cat skills Hurleyville New York didn't have
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a hospital of its own and the local medical providers didn't have any of the resources or expertise really needed to
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provide ongoing cancer treatment yeah so Alan Carmen really didn't have any choice but to travel back and forth
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between Hurleyville and Farmington Connecticut wow so that Philip could receive treatment out there so they were
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making daily trips to John Dempsey hospital and these trips were 2 and 1 half hours each way so Carmen and Philip
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were both usually completely exhausted by the time they got home and he's exhausted anyway course yeah fortunately
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Al did have some family in the area so Carmen and philli could stay with them on occasion instead of doing the drive
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back and forth but it became clear pretty quickly that staying with family and and driving 5 hours a day was just
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not sustainable yeah it's and it's not helping the situation you're all stressed yeah you know adding lack of
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sleep and all of that is like probably not great too much so in the interest of time money and most importantly Philip's
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Health Allan Karma decided it was probably an everybody's best interest that the family moved to Connecticut to
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be closer to the hospital so when Philip wasn't going through treatment at John Dempsey Hospital Carmen spent her days
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looking for an apartment that could accommodate their now large family yeah I was going to say it's a lot of people
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yeah a lot of kids the two of them but the problem was that what was available at the time was either too small or like
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Way Beyond their budget one afternoon she was driving to see an apartment in nearby Southington uh and she drove by a
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beautiful three-story home on a quiet street and it had a four rent sign in the front yard so she was like oh she
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was like [ __ ] now the apartment that she was supposed to be um going to see ended up being too small it was not
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going to work out [ __ ] that apartment [ __ ] that apartment honest [ __ ] that
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noise yeah but she had some time to kill before heading back to the hospital so she decided to stop at the house that
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she saw earlier that day with the big fent sign out in front and inquire about the
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availability so inside she said when she got there the house was full of contractors workmen of all types all
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renovating one part or or another of the first floor she wasn't really sure who she should speak to about renting so she
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just went from one Workman to the other until she found the foreman and the foreman told her that the owners weren't
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there at the time but he did let her into the second floor apartment to give her an idea of what the first floor
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apartment was going to look like once it was all done okay now the second floor apartment it was beautiful it was
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spacious it could definitely accommodate Carmen Al and the four kids it was perfect she loved it she didn't want to
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get too excited though because she figured an apartment so large and nice was probably out of their price range
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but she still took the landlord's number and she called him as soon as she got home cuz you never know you never know
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she said shoot your shot yeah what did you what do you say you miss you miss 100% of the shots you don't take it's
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not my quote it's the office right Gretzky Michael Scott yes of course you know so the landlord Daryl Kern he was
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polite on the phone but when Carmen mentioned that they had four children she said she noticed a change in his
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tone but he didn't say that kids weren't allowed and to her surprise the rent was
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actually well within their budget so when he offered the downstairs apartment she didn't hesitate she took it she said
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hell yeah she said that was a little weird but it's a gorgeous apartment whatever yeah so finding an affordable
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apartment near the hospital was obviously a relief it meant that they could start saving money again Carmen
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and Philip could stop spending half their day driving between New York and Connecticut but still Carmen was left
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with this weird feeling in her chest like it was anxiety she couldn't shake it got to listen to that and she said
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she figured it was because she hadn't seen the first floor and she was like what if it's not as nice what if it's
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not as spacious and what if in her rush to make to find an apartment she made things worse for her family like
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inadvertently you know know she didn't know it at the time but her decision to take the apartment in Southington would
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definitely have serious consequences for their entire family and space and affordability would be the least of
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their concerns soon oh boy yeah so obviously for most people moving from one state to another is uh pretty
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[ __ ] difficult and daunting regardless of their circumstances but for Carmen and Al this was pretty shitty
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timing like their son is very sick yeah very shitty and also Al put in a transfer request with his company but it
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was going to take a while for them to fulfill it so he was going to have to stay back in New York while everybody
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else moved to Connecticut oh that's sucks and Philip was too ill to be of much help in the moving process and
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Carmen's second oldest son Michael was spending the summer with his grandmother in Alabama so pretty much all of the
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responsibility was on her to get things packed and moved over obviously Al could
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help but like he was also working and the process was made doubly challenging by the fact that you know of
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course they needed to pack and move as soon as they could but at the same time Philip still was going back and forth
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for treatments so they were hardly Out of the Woods yeah now one night a couple weeks before the move they're still in
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their their place Carmen had this dream where she was walking through a this is so [ __ ] creepy she's walking through
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a hallway lined with caskets and she said Each one contained a pale nude body of some unknown deceased person o and
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she wasn't alone in Her Dream there was another man walking through the Halls she said he was quote zigzagging in and
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out between the caskets carrying one of those old ominous tools that Undertakers
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once used in the embalming process oh when she woke up she turned to Al and she just blurted out the apartment that
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house it's a funeral home what the [ __ ] like just she knew what the [ __ ] immediately now no one had said anything
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to Carmen about the home having ever been a funeral home she said but she said somehow she just knew that it was
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or at least that it had been one at one point in time so Al was like okay do you
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want to back out of it like we haven't signed anything yet but the thought of continuing to drive back and forth every
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day was just too much to bear and she had already looked at a ton of apartments in the towns around the
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hospital and they had either been too small or too expensive so she just felt like she couldn't give up this
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opportunity yeah so on June 30th 1986 she started unloading the moving truck in the new at the new apartment now the
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day they arrived with the truck was the first time that Al and Carmen actually saw the new apartment cuz remember they
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saw the second they were working on it they were working on it so before they unloaded the truck they went inside just
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to look around and contractors were actually still working on the first floor there was like sawdust wood just
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construction mess everywhere but the basement was empty so they went downstairs to see what kind of space
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they had to work with there like most basements in Old New England homes it was kind of musty the air was thick it
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was cold down there oh we all know that basement I can smell yeah but the space was quite a bit more than either of them
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was expecting at theot of the stairs there was a pretty large room that opened on to the right and then on the
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left there was a set of French doors that led to an even larger room and there were three other smaller rooms
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adjacent to the larger ones but Alan Carmen were like what would those be used for like why why is there so much
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room for activities down here so they like poked her on the basement and they started to get a sense of what had once
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gone down in these rooms oh Carmen found what she described as a quote gruesome Blood Stained wall and a quote chain
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powerered body lift that looked more medieval than contemporary what the more they explored
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the basement the more evidence they found confirming that the residence had definitely been a funeral home at one
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point in time and it had a blood spattered wall according to going down there blood it's Wy everywhere you're
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supposed to clean I kind of thought that too important it's important part of that job I would think yeah I was like I
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was the morg I'll say that I feel like bloodborne pathogens are a thing yeah you never want blood spatter on anything
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no I definitely don't you're so right in that statement yeah you just really don't I really don't you really don't it
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happens in that industry for sure yeah I mean that makes sense it's going to be there while you're doing your thing you
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clean it up after well isn't there usually like a sheet or something up like is there anything up speak for a
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funeral home cuz I don't know how the um you know in the in bomb process I would
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assume there would be precautions to make sure that blood isn't just spattering against a wall also I'm like
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why did that happen like once it gets to the funeral home it's like that shouldn't be happening all the blood
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usually happens in the morg that's kind of what I thought too and we clean that [ __ ] but we we'll get there we'll get to
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the questions at the end what kind of shenanigans was going on I don't know but apparently at the end of the hall
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there were shelves on the wall that held boxes of Olden balming tools that's kind
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of cool I thought the same thing they didn't have the same reaction there was also a box in the corner that contained
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blank uh plaques for the coffins that had already been removed from the house chilling that I didn't love I I didn't
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like the the plaques but the embalming tools might be be very fascinating yeah I don't know if I'd want to keep them in
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my house though yeah I don't know it's giving you it's giving you I don't know I don't know what that I would want I'm
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fascinated by inbombing tools yeah and I can that definitely but Al and Carmen uh
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were not they were shaken as they made their way back upstairs but Carmen reiterated that she couldn't bear to
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look for another apartment while also taking care of Philip and the other three kids so they agreed to keep the
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houses passed to themselves they weren't going to tell the kids they said you know we'll remove all the funeral items
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before the kids can see them and I'll paint the walls and you know cover all those disturbing stains yeah yeah it's
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fine it'll be fine seems fine the landlord special I feel like this is not going to end badly at all no NOP now by
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the time they were Rock outside the landlord Mr Kar uh was said to have arrived to greet them Carmen was
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surprised that he seemed amused when she asked whether the house used to be a funeral home and she said he told her oh
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don't worry Miss uh sneaker the place hasn't been in use fulltime for uh two years or so oh it'd be like two years
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that's two years pretty [ __ ] recent cool that's like fresh blood as far as I'm concerned that's pretty fresh he
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also informed them that he would prefer that the old funeral tools remain in the
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basement and he said they make great conversation pieces don't you think I mean while I agree with him I would be
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on your side landlord uh no you can't maybe you should take them then well that's the thing you can't tell me what
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to keep yeah you can't do that if somebody and understand you may find them fascinating other people might not
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and that's okay right people can be put off by them and that's fine now it is important to state of course that this
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is the neer's version of EV it's not it's not you know somebody following them with a camera and watching we don't
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know that the landlord never said this but according to them that's what he said he did then you say Hey you know
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yeah maybe that's not for you to say now it took a few days before the renovations were finished so Carmen and
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the kids stayed in a motel room while Al uh went back to New York to finish out the last few weeks of work after all the
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expenses that they had incurred the motel was an additional hardship cuz they didn't have a ton of money they
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were this family was like very hard on on cash at this point cuz I mean they're the the illness the move that's a lot
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that's a big family to take care of yeah exact so Carmen was relieved when a few
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days later they were finally able to move into the house she and Al managed to move those objects in the basement
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out over to the garage uh while the larger items like the body lift they tried to tuck into a corner to kind of
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obscure it but it's a pretty big thing yeah body lift like a chain powerered body lift is not not going to be easy to
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just like make into a a sculpture in the corner yeah probably not and I've never
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had experience with one so I can't say but yeah it's not not going to be easy to hide yeah but try as she might Carmen
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realized pretty quickly that the children were bound to find out sooner or later cuz like we just said it's not
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uh easy to hide so after a few days moving in Carmen was in the kitchen washing dishes when behind her she heard
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Philip enter the room and she said that he said to her quietly Mom we have to leave this house there's something evil
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here oh surprised she turned around to find that Philip actually looked very serious and she was like leave we just
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got here but he insisted that they needed to go back to New York and get the [ __ ] away from this house he said if
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we don't leave here something bad is going to happen to us something really bad that's scary like I would be like
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all right pack your [ __ ] up let's go like you know what let's go but they don't really have anywhere to go back to
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which is a predicament if you will but so she explained she was like houses aren't e evil nothing here can hurt us
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but Philip was not persuaded years later Carmen would say I didn't believe in ghosts I thought they were just a thing
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of imagination but above all Philip's biggest concern was sleeping in his new room in the basement which I was like I
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don't blame them on that one I don't know if we should put the kid fighting cancer in the musty Dusty basement with
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EMB bombing tools with them bombing tools and just like it's colder down there and like musty like
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it's a New England basement that's the thing it's a New England basement of a former funeral home I don't really think
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this doesn't seem like a great idea yeah he didn't want to be there um he him and
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Michael were going to be sharing the room but remember Michael's away so oh yes he he was in with his grandmother
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Alabama with his grandmother which meant that Philip was going to have to sleep downstairs alone and he was like uh I'm
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not going to do that he told Carmen he would sleep on the living room floor before he slept in that basement alone
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oh same which retweet yeah no so Carmen knew that neither She nor Al had said anything to the kids about the home's
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past as a funeral home and Philip hadn't said anything about it either but he just seemed to have the sense that
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something was off about this place but she also was like okay it's fairly common for kids to be unhappy after a
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move and Philip also has a lot on his plate right now like physical emotional stress which is true he's going through
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daily treatments and the Cobalt treatments that he was getting daily had a range of side effects from faue and
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hair loss to nausea and even cognitive impairments okay so they're thinking of it like yeah this potentially could be
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that exactly she talked up his apprehension and anxiety just to his circumstances and she said you know what
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I I just thought he would settle in eventually but a few days later when Al arrived for the weekend he reassured her
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that she was probably right it was just anxiety Philip would forget about it and
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and due time once he got more comfortable but Philip did not forget about it and he stayed true to his word
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and he spent the first week uh sleeping on the couch in the living room he would
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not set foot down there his fears of the basement were just the beginning of what
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would eventually become what the family claimed was 2 years of psychological trauma and paranormal attacks who just
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days after telling his mom that he felt the house was evil Philip started hearing disembodied voices saying his
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name but he couldn't figure out where they were like he would hear them but couldn't pinpoint the origin oh at the
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same time he felt this growing sense that he was never alone in the house or even in his bedroom it was like he was
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just being watched all the time I don't like that but whenever he would experience something he couldn't explain
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he fought the urge to run to his parents to tell them what would H what had happened cuz I mean they didn't believe
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him so yeah so why you going to keep saying it and also he knew that they had moved to Connecticut to be closer to the
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hospital so he kind of felt like he was the reason why everybody's lives got upended so he didn't want to he didn't
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want to cause further problems what he saw is problem s in his mind exactly even though they were everybody was
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happy to move but they were like it's okay like but he's thinking he's like a burden kind of exactly so one morning a
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few weeks after moving in Philip was walking from the kitchen to the living room when he said he heard a man's voice
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strong and clear say his name in a questioning tone like Phillip O so he turned slowly looking around for whoever
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had called out to him but there was nobody there no in the bathroom down the hall he could hear the shower running
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and he knew his mom was like in there and he was like okay maybe she's talking to herself but but that definitely
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sounded like a man's voice and then he heard it again and they said Phillip he said the voice wasn't loud or Gruff but
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it was clear and whoever it was they sounded irritated and continued come here Phillip O now the voice sounded
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impatient like whoever it was was like expecting a response so he took a few steps toward the bathroom desperately
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wanting to call out for Carmen but instead he took he so he like moved to the bathroom and he's like wanting to
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call out for his mom but then he walks back to the basement to be like is it coming from down there yeah and he walks
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toward the basement stairs and the door standing open and he said the voice called out again saying Phillip come
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down here oh so he was like okay it's coming from the basement no thank you so he took a few more steps toward the
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basement stairs and the voice called it again Phillip come down here you got to see this no can you describe it to
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me I don't I don't want to see it I have a lot of plans today sorry thank you so
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much and he said the tone like when it was like you got to see this was almost like joking like it was like a light
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tone like a friend would be like oh my God you got to see this yeah and then the voice said again come here Phillip I
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want to show you something just [ __ ] terrifying I don't like that at all I don't like it he backed away from the
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basement he said slowly with the and the voice got quieter and quieter with each
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step until he was in the living room where he just turned on the TV and hoped that it would drown out the man in the
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basement calling for him I'm sorry if I heard somebody say my name from the basement and tell me to come down and
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look at this that many times that many times there's no way I'm pulling this age this ageold Chestnut of well I
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figured it would just stop and I went to sleep I never understand that cuz I'm sorry if I'm hear like there's certain
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things you see something out of the corner of your eye you just move on you think you're seeing a sleep paralysis
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demon and nothing's there I can get that like you just go to sleep cuz you're like that was my wacky mind right sorry
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if I'm getting full-blown auditory hallucinations where I'm hearing somebody saying my name and telling me
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to come downstairs and then I move closer and they continue to yeah I'm out of here I'm telling everyone I'm getting
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the whole family and then I'm lighting the place of Blaze we out we out we out we out there's no way I'm turning on the
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TV and hoping that that man in the basement doesn't come up to show me the thing he wanted to show me yeah that's
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not my cup of tea personally that's wild I don't know so this time he did tell he
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decided he was like I'm going to tell my mom about that that's a great idea that
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was [ __ ] weird but she didn't take him seriously no come on your kids saying there's a person in the basement
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you got to do something I think she thought that it was like a side effect of the treatments 100% probably but I'm
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just looking at this from a totally third party 100% in 2024 the 2024 near the situation and so he was like no like
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you got to listen it was it was and he said it was a man's voice but not a person oh no like she would somehow
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understand what he was saying but she was like there's no no one downstairs Phil she she didn't even say what does
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that mean she was just like there's no one downstairs like stop again like kids say wacky [ __ ] too it's like that's it's
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so hard to like you don't want to feed into every single right thing like that because then you are going to cause
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issues well and she also didn't want him scaring the the younger kids like she was like all right cut it out yeah like
00:26:20
don't make them suddenly think they're hearing and also she's got this anxiety that she's kind of shoving to the side
00:26:26
cuz she didn't love the idea that this place used to be a funeral home so she's like [ __ ] like please stop confirming
00:26:31
and she knows what's in that basement what they saw in that basement so she's probably like [ __ ] like no thanks but
00:26:37
all the more reason to be like [ __ ] well so she decided that she didn't want to
00:26:40
be wholly dismissive but wanted to soothe his anxiety so she confided in him I don't know why she thought this
00:26:46
I'm sorry Carmen I don't know why she thought this was gonna uh sooth his qu his Fe yeah thank
00:26:52
you I don't know why she thought this was going to make him feel better but she told him about the house The house's
00:26:57
history as a funeral home home and she said that she didn't say anything before cuz she didn't want to scare the
00:27:02
children and also she she was like please don't say anything to them but she was like maybe you're just picking
00:27:08
up on our anxieties about the history of the house and that's why you're feeling
00:27:12
so uneasy I don't know about that yeah I think she I mean I you don't know what to do in that situation I understand but
00:27:19
it's a route it's a route you can take it is it's one of those paths that you can choose iure don't know if that would
00:27:25
have been the one I would have chosen but yeah I don't know but you know for times I haven't been in this situation
00:27:30
she's also probably sleep deprived cuz she's like been doing the most so very true it's just like I don't know I think
00:27:35
you just confirmed his fears more than anything she said that she hoped her honesty would reassure him there was
00:27:41
nothing wrong with the house but um all it really did do was confirm his suspicions that this place was haunted
00:27:46
as [ __ ] he's like of course it is now in the weeks that followed the other kids
00:27:50
started reporting strange experiences in the house oh no Carmen's youngest daughter Stephanie told her mom that she
00:27:55
had seen a woman standing in her bedroom with quote her arms open as if she was beckoning her to come no like no thanks
00:28:03
no and that would also make me really angry cuz [ __ ] get out of my kids room Carmen actually figured that despite his
00:28:11
promise Philip had told the other kids about the funeral home past and that's what caused Stephanie to think that she
00:28:17
was seeing ghost but when she confronted him about it like when Carmen went to Philip and was like what the [ __ ] you're
00:28:22
upsetting all the younger kids now he was like I didn't say anything to them told I wasn't going to yeah so she gave
00:28:28
a lecture about scaring the little kids but she was like I also couldn't help but feel that he was telling the truth
00:28:33
like I believed him when he said he didn't say anything so they're just going through it and Alan Carmen hoped
00:28:40
that Philip's fears and anxiety would subside once everything got settled in the house like once the move was kind of
00:28:45
officially like everything unpacked you know in but things really only seemed to
00:28:50
get worse Philip continued hearing voices in the basement calling out to him trying to lure him down the stairs
00:28:56
and a few times he thought that had seen something moving in the dark at the bottom of the basement stairs but every
00:29:02
time he brought it up to his parents they dismissed his claims now fortunately he found an ally
00:29:07
and his sister Stephanie who quite a bit younger than him even though she had seen things in the house and she
00:29:13
believed what her brother was saying she was like I think that basement is also haunted as [ __ ] like I'm with you dude
00:29:18
now within just a few weeks after moving in the tension in the house was felt by
00:29:23
everybody Al was finishing out the last days of his job and Carmen just couldn't
00:29:27
wait to have him home whole time to help with the kids cuz she was losing her [ __ ] mind especially when everyone's
00:29:31
thinking they're hearing ghosts yeah that's a lot that's tough like they're this family is dealing with the most
00:29:36
philli meanwhile was now several months into cancer treatments and it was starting to take a toll on him
00:29:41
physically and of course emotionally so the stress was just affecting the entire
00:29:45
house and Carmen just didn't know what to do one afternoon while the kids were playing outside she was kind of lost in
00:29:51
her thoughts just mindlessly mopping the floors and she said she caught the scent
00:29:55
of something metallic and unpleasant and when she looked down she saw that the water in the mop bucket had become a
00:30:03
bright red color and had started to strain to to stain the strands of the mop so she snapped out of her thoughts
00:30:10
and realized that whatever was in the bucket she had smeared it all over the floor cuz she wasn't paying attention
00:30:15
before and then the smell made her pay attention and when she looked down everything was like Crimson colored oh
00:30:22
yeah so not wanting the children to see the mesh she grabbed a roll of paper towels and cleaned up everything the
00:30:27
best she could and she was like you know something must have been under the lenium it got into the water I don't
00:30:33
know yeah she was like maybe it's a chemical reaction to something but in the back of her mind she couldn't help
00:30:39
but think of what Philip had said about when they moved in now by Summer's end she was starting to feel more optimistic
00:30:46
about the move luckily her son Michael had come home from Alabama and he was he brought like very positive energy to the
00:30:52
house oh he brought Good Vibes he brought Good Vibes yeah and also Philip's treatments were almost done so
00:30:58
they had like a waiting period where things would settle a bit more and now that his brother was home Philip had
00:31:03
agreed to start sleeping downstairs as long as he and Michael could share a room and Michael was like yeah no
00:31:08
problem I bring Good Vibes I bring Good Vibes let's hang so a few nights after they settled into their shared basement
00:31:14
bedroom Philip told his brother about the history of the house and of the basement in particular and he expected
00:31:20
his brother to react with horror but he had a sibling like Elena so Michael thought this entire thing was hella
00:31:25
exciting see Michael with the good vibe Micha with the Good Vibes he was like this is interesting now his enthusiasm
00:31:32
waned slightly when Philip told him about the other things I would imagine the voices calling out from the dark
00:31:38
yeah that would [ __ ] me up the glimpses of things moving seeing things out of the corner of his eye like he didn't
00:31:43
love that now that night as they were getting uh you know ready for bed in their room Michael went upstairs to
00:31:49
brush his teeth and Philip was left alone in the room so he's trying not to panic he gets into bed and he says he
00:31:54
puts his headphones on hoping that the music would distract him until got back but out of the corner of his eye he
00:32:00
thought he saw something move so he froze in bed not wanting to look up but at the same time he couldn't not look so
00:32:08
he raised his head slowly and he looked toward the French drawers that led into the other room and he said then he saw a
00:32:14
man's face pale and young peering back at him through the crack in the doors which if you picture that that's [ __ ]
00:32:21
horrifying no that yeah that's true horror one thing about me is that I [ __ ] love French doors yep and that
00:32:28
could even ruin French doors for me French doors get out you're out of here yeah throw them out but he said the face
00:32:34
was one he had never seen before it was gaunt sickly and had dark black eyes and
00:32:39
he said the man's lips were moving like he was saying something but Philip couldn't hear anything he just saw that
00:32:45
the man was like talking but not saying anything oh why do I hate that more I do
00:32:49
too right okay thank you like why like I hate the idea of a man's face just looking through my French doors at me in
00:32:56
the middle hate the idea of a man and even just if they're sitting there just looking at you
00:33:03
that's the mouth moving would be the end cuz then it almost makes you feel like they're like Whispering something yeah I
00:33:09
don't want to hear what you have to say sir that's the thing I don't want to hear what you have to say I don't like
00:33:14
it it's probably some dumbass like anecdote that you're going to say that's going to [ __ ] me up for the rest of my
00:33:19
life and I don't need it it's it's also almost worse like not knowing what he's saying cuz then like your mind fills in
00:33:25
the blanks oh it's probably just like a bad opinion op a bad opinion you think I
00:33:29
don't need your opinion that's my opinion you gross face in the door oh gross so Philip watched in horror as he
00:33:37
saw the Man start to slowly reach one hand out like he was going to open the door don't do that and at that moment
00:33:44
Philip had finally gathered the courage to kick those sheets off the bed and he took two stairs at a time up the
00:33:50
basement steps my God I felt that in my legs you know that crazy ass feeling in your legs when you're running up from
00:33:58
the basement yes you have to shut the light off and you're running six stairs at a time but you feel that that bur go
00:34:04
got burning like and your back whenever I like run away from something freaky I feel like my back like locks kind of you
00:34:11
know what I mean oh and you just feel like there's electricity in your legs that are like tingling up your oh I can
00:34:17
feel it right now even my ears are prickly that made my legs hurt so he burst into the living room
00:34:24
and he crashed to his knees when he was finally in the safety of the living room
00:34:28
but the commotion Drew everybody to the living room it of course and everybody gathered around philli as he was just
00:34:35
breathlessly trying to explain what he had seen in the basement oh my God now Al rushed down the stairs unsure of what
00:34:41
he would find there he's probably like is there a person in the basement like yeah so he rushes down into the basement
00:34:47
to check everything out but finds nothing there and when he came back up to the living room he was [ __ ] pissed
00:34:53
oh I don't like that so he hey yeah he yelled at Philip demanding that he stop telling childish ghost stories and start
00:35:00
acting his age oh don't do that which like that's really [ __ ] the kid is clearly upset yeah and then from the
00:35:06
sounds of it at least then they just sent everyone to bed oh come on parenting in the 80s yeah I was just
00:35:11
going to say that's some ' 80s parenting right there I WR my notes Here not a parenting win no definitely not you got
00:35:16
to talk through that [ __ ] yeah that's can't dismiss fears like that you got to
00:35:19
Gentle parent your way through that [ __ ] oh parents in the 80s were so far away
00:35:24
from gentle parenting it's not even that's where that I'll give you something to cry about originated that
00:35:29
line that's the yeah I'll give you something a fear ghost about yep they definitely wasn't going to have like a
00:35:34
talk through feelings at that moment no definitely not so the weeks passed the voices and the apparitions became a
00:35:40
common part of the boy lives years later Michael said the first time I seen a ghost it appeared with cat-like eyes
00:35:46
glowing up on the ceiling looking down on my bed oh so even he's experiencing it you know my um my uncle used to tell
00:35:54
me that I had cat eyes really yeah they turn orange sometimes I could see that yeah so maybe that was me you're
00:36:04
weird you're so weird don't do that you're weird you're weird that was such a like [ __ ]
00:36:11
response you're weird you're weird I didn't know what to say to that yeah I honestly I probably wouldn't either so
00:36:19
but the ghosts moved about the rooms in the basement sometimes Michael said they
00:36:22
would like study him and philli from the corners of the room just kind of like looking at them
00:36:28
and other times they would whisper to each other in hush tones that sound [ __ ] rude yeah they would whisper and
00:36:33
he said it sounded to them like the hiss of a lizard or a snake like e no I don't know that was my best that
00:36:39
was my best shot like when you touch the end like a candle that's gone out if you touch it
00:36:46
with your finger that just sounds like boom roasted it does you know but Philip hoped having Michael home would make
00:36:54
things better but now his parents were just accusing him of filling Michael's head with these scary stories cool yeah
00:37:00
everybody's kind of being a dick to philli yeah but yeah oh so despite oh I see that you
00:37:08
know it's just okay I'll hang tight over here yeah hang T but despite her near certainty that it was nothing more than
00:37:14
just silly ghost stories Carmen still couldn't shake the feeling that something about the stories that her
00:37:19
boys were telling about these pale menacing figures dressed in [ __ ] suits was genuine she said they seemed
00:37:27
the stories just seemed too outrageous to be true but also too detailed to have been made up on the spot so she was like
00:37:33
I [ __ ] hate this and you could tell when your kids are really scared yeah like you really can you can tell that's
00:37:38
the thing and I think she saw that in them especially as like a mama yeah like she saw that in them it's real fear she
00:37:44
was like I don't want to believe any of this you might not believe that it's like this ghosts down there scaring your
00:37:50
kids but something is upsetting your child yeah she's worried about genuinely yeah so the end of summer brought some
00:37:56
welcome distractions as three of the four kids returned to school that gave Carmen some alone time Al finally moved
00:38:02
into the house for good like he got transferred but whatever relief the distractions brought was soon
00:38:07
overshadowed by a series of undeniable experiences that would forever change the family oh Al had only been home
00:38:15
about a week or so when his first experience happened he got woken up in the middle of the night from The Sound
00:38:21
of like movement and hushed voices he said to him it sounded like somebody was in the house but didn't want to be
00:38:27
detected so immediately he's like what the [ __ ] yeah I don't like that so he listened closely for a moment or two and
00:38:33
then he heard the faint sound of music playing in the distance and he said it sounded like 30s music from an old
00:38:40
victrola along with the music I could hear three or four older men okay that's like kind of awesome
00:38:47
okay so glad you had that reaction so did I yeah you hear like an old victrola three old guys just chatting it up let's
00:38:55
[ __ ] go girls I'm like what are you guys talking about let's let's do this you want a beer yeah let's go throw that
00:39:00
VC troll on so he got out of bed he followed the sounds assuming that he would find one of the kids in the living
00:39:04
room like watching TV or something listening to a victrola listening to a VCT trola yeah talking like an old man
00:39:09
yeah exactly but when he got to the hallway he discovered that the sounds seemed to be coming from the basement oh
00:39:15
at first he thought that you know maybe it was Michael and Phillip but also it didn't sound like just two boys it was
00:39:21
loud like it sounded like a party he was like did they sneak friends into the basement did they find a vict troll yeah
00:39:28
you know kids in their victrola parties are they're a problem like parents of the world Dave wrote in the notes here
00:39:35
he goes if they had why would they be listening to such mournful Antiquated music that's what I don't go like why so
00:39:41
they snuck a bunch of kids in just to listen to a vrola just to listen to quote unquote mournful Antiquated music
00:39:47
Dave's Dave's comments are my absolute favorite Dave for for the win so he started down the stairs expecting to
00:39:54
find this group of kids listening to Antiquated music but when got but when he got about halfway down he stopped
00:40:00
because he realized that the basement was completely dark and he could still hear hush tones of multiple voices
00:40:06
talking but he could also hear the slow steady breathing of his kids like they were asleep oh now when he noticed that
00:40:14
like when he heard them sleeping that was when the music stopped and the people stopped talking like very
00:40:19
abruptly oh I don't like that yeah he slowly pushed open the French doors and stepped inside and he said it was
00:40:25
unnaturally and inex ably fing in that room like but for he was like I don't know why it was so cold in
00:40:34
there cuz it was like a 100 ghosts in there having a vrola party having a bigle party a vrola party but so he just
00:40:41
went back to bed didn't say anything to kman about what he experienced communication is not key here I guess
00:40:46
wow this is so 80s but a few hours later he woke up again and this time the bed was like vibrating underneath him like
00:40:54
shaking so he just lay there stay he said staring at at the ceiling and trying to ignore the fact that his
00:40:59
[ __ ] bed is vibrating let's stop ignoring this stuff guys let's definitely at some point he said it got
00:41:06
to be too much to ignore so he got up and went into the living room to watch TV and just tried to like put the nights
00:41:12
events out of his head valid it's like I'm going to go watch the T yeah I'm just you know what hey my my bed is
00:41:17
vibrating so if you need me I'll be in the living or watching the television go what the what do you turn on that's what
00:41:23
I was just wonder I was going to say like oh I'll just go turn and I was like what do you do would you turn on my
00:41:27
immediate thought was the simple life Gilmore Girls boom comfort that would be it our different forms of comfort so
00:41:34
later once they were out of the house and living elsewhere Alan Carmen would talk of their experiences like they kind
00:41:40
of started like suddenly out of nowhere but the truth was each of them was having their own experiences but they
00:41:46
just never shared them with each other oh damn so like she had experienced the same thing too both of them also saw
00:41:53
things move out of the corner of their eye they heard sounds they heard voices and Carmen said more than once she had
00:41:59
woken up to the bed vibrating underneath her but she just never told her husband
00:42:04
and then there was also Philip's Behavior he had always been a really well- behaved respectful kid but after
00:42:10
moving into the new apartment they said his personality really started to change
00:42:14
he was more defiant he was challenging he was like Sullen which you could chalk up to the fact that he's a young kid
00:42:21
going through cancer like he's probably pretty [ __ ] pissed off at life I would be but more disturbing was the
00:42:27
fact that he actually had come to enjoy spending time in the basement oh which like he was he was so scared remember of
00:42:34
the basement that he was sleeping in the living room and then all of a sudden they couldn't get him out of the
00:42:38
basement like he loved being down there no I don't like that so Carmen she said she tried to ignore everything by
00:42:44
focusing on volunteer work with the church and Al turned to alcohol to quiet his mind but soon the horror in the
00:42:51
house was unavoidably present One Night in the winter Al woke up and in the middle of the night by the shaking and
00:42:59
at first he thought it was just the vibrating of the bed but soon he realized it was Carmen shaking him out
00:43:04
of his sleep like waking him up and she yelled to him that their bed was vibrating but for the first time since
00:43:10
this happened both of them could feel it at the same time o and in the weeks that
00:43:15
followed Carmen said that she would often hear a mocking laughter coming from behind her when she was at the sink
00:43:20
doing dishes oh I don't like that and Al could hear sound the sounds of things moving around the house and that they
00:43:27
said that there was always the faint Sound of Music coming from the basement like even when like Philip wasn't
00:43:32
playing music down there like it was like old weird [ __ ] music Trolla party music exactly holy [ __ ] now in
00:43:39
June of 1987 just about a year after the family moved into the house Carmen got a
00:43:44
call from her sister Megan in Alabama and Megan explained that her she was going through like a really bad time
00:43:50
with her health and on top of that she and her husband were going through a really messy divorce and she was hoping
00:43:56
that Alan kmen would be willing to take her two daughters 12-year-old Mary and 17-year-old Kelly just until she was
00:44:02
able to get back on her feet yeah so Carmen talked it over with Al that afternoon and they agreed that if Megan
00:44:07
needed help they wanted to lend a hand that's nice of them yeah now Carmen knew that you know helping her sister was the
00:44:15
right thing to do but she also felt very apprehensive about bringing more people
00:44:19
into an already like super chaotic house at this point the experience that the experiences that she and Al had been
00:44:26
having never talking about ever had continued and Philip's behavior and general demeanor was just getting worse
00:44:34
over the year like he was spending a lot of his time in his bedroom alone and even more disturbing was the way that he
00:44:40
talked about the ghosts he had once been like we just said terrified to be alone
00:44:45
in the basement and now they said he preferred the spirits of the Dead to the company of his own family and had even
00:44:52
started calling the spirits his friends okay which is like I would hate that yeah we're going into a a dark
00:44:59
place now yeah mm so by that fall Carmen's nieces settled into the house they didn't really like once they got
00:45:06
settled they felt like they were like part of the family they weren't just guests I just want to give a trigger
00:45:10
warning here um for like sexual assault oh yes it gets very rough here uh it's quick but it's not awesome so one night
00:45:21
in the early fall Mary and Kelly were asleep in their beds when Philip's quote unquote friends told him that it was
00:45:27
quote time to go visiting with his cousins so he went up the stairs from the basement to the main floor as
00:45:33
quietly as he could trying not to wake anybody up and he crept into the girls room where they were deep in sleep and
00:45:39
he stood over Kelly he put a hand on her shoulder to see if it would wake her and
00:45:43
when she didn't wake up he moved his hand down to her chest so he like groped her in her sleep what the [ __ ] later he
00:45:50
would claim that the men in the basement forced him to do what he did according to him the voices pointed out that Kelly
00:45:56
was is quote too big and could defend herself cuz she's the older girl this is so [ __ ] up it's this is very dark and
00:46:04
like actually very hard to even talk about but on the other side of the room he said that the the ghosts were telling
00:46:10
him that there was someone much smaller who probably wouldn't resist him so Philip turned away from Kelly and walked
00:46:17
toward Mary's bed and did the same thing to her oh my God now 2 Days Later Kelly
00:46:22
told Carmen that she had actually walked in on Phillip attempting to do the same
00:46:26
thing to Mary again and that she stopped him before he could get very far so Kelly did put a stop to this now Carmen
00:46:33
was stunned like Philip had changed his personality had darkened quite a bit but
00:46:38
she never thought he was capable of something like this these are his [ __ ] cousins and this is disgusting
00:46:44
and I don't want to hear about [ __ ] ghosts telling you to go molest your cousins like get out of here so I will
00:46:50
say it sounds like Carmen did the right thing she went and confronted him like and was like what the [ __ ] but he denied
00:46:57
everything with a smirk on his face oh I hate that so she was super frustrated and she didn't know what to do with him
00:47:03
so she called the police and reported the assault like on her own child that I mean that must have been the hardest
00:47:11
thing for her to ever have to do obviously the correct thing to do but cuz it's also her nieces you know like
00:47:17
that's a horrible position for her to be in those poor nieces I know especially going through everything that they're
00:47:23
already going through yeah so that afternoon Philip was taken to uh taken by police to the local Precinct and
00:47:29
questioned about the accusation of assault and he confessed after some questioning that he had been sneaking
00:47:35
into their room at night and touching them regularly while they slept God he also trigger warning this is really
00:47:41
horrible he said he quote attempted unsuccess unsuccessfully to have sex with his 12-year-old cousin what the
00:47:48
[ __ ] yeah so he was taken from the police station immediately to a juvenile detention center pH bye he was
00:47:56
interviewed at at length by a prison psychiatrist who told Alan Carmen that in his opinion Philip was experiencing
00:48:02
symptoms of early onset schizophrenia oh God yeah the diagnosis obviously was devastating for his parents but it also
00:48:11
kind of explained his behavior over the previous year the ghosts the voices the depression and now these assaults yeah
00:48:18
it's making more sense it is so the doctor recommended that Philip be placed in a psychiatric unit for 60 days of
00:48:24
observation and then from there they would develop a treatment plan but until they could find a bed for him
00:48:29
at the hospital uh the psychiatrist recommended that he remain in the juvenile detention center because he
00:48:35
didn't think it would be safe for the family to have Philip return home makesense obviously yeah so Philip's
00:48:40
diagnosis the assaults on their nieces they were devastating for Carmen Allan the kids but at the very least Carmen
00:48:47
hoped that with Philip out of the house for a while things would finally go back
00:48:50
to normal mhm she was wrong in the days and weeks that followed strange occurrences in house continued there was
00:48:57
inexplicable noises flashes of movement from the corners of the room there was always that strange music playing in the
00:49:04
middle of the night oh I hate that and having been traumatized by the assaults Mary no longer wanted to stay in the
00:49:10
house so Carmen had to make arrangements for her to stay with her other sister in
00:49:14
Connecticut that poor girl and a few days after her sister moved out of the house Kelly started having her own
00:49:20
horrific experiences in the middle of the night she had heard like everybody else in the house talk about the ghost
00:49:27
but she she was like maybe I heard a few like weird noises but I never knew what
00:49:31
to make of anything I never saw anything but then one night as she was trying to
00:49:36
fall asleep she felt something touching her leg she said later I couldn't see it
00:49:40
but it was freezing cold so she said she threw back the sheets and she kicked out
00:49:44
whatever was touching her but it only crept closer and moved up her calf oh so she didn't know what to do so she
00:49:50
grabbed her Rosary that she kept next to her bed and she started saying the Lord's Prayer over and over but the
00:49:56
cross in her hand suddenly bent she said like somebody was trying to rip it from
00:50:00
her hands violently what the [ __ ] so she screamed for her aunt and uncle and from
00:50:06
their bed Carmen heard her niece screaming for help in a way that by then was familiar from all the times that
00:50:12
Philip and Michael had claimed to see ghosts Carmen said I grabbed my Bible from the nightstand and I'm just saying
00:50:17
to myself I've got to find something to put all these ghost stories to rest I've
00:50:20
had it up to here with the ghost stories but when she so she entered Kelly's room
00:50:25
and she doesn't see anything but she listen she listened as Kelly explained what she felt and later Carmen said I
00:50:31
didn't believe her I thought the older boys had gotten her excited about the stories in the funeral home but the
00:50:37
scene repeated itself the next night and Carmen approached it with the same skepticism as she had the night before
00:50:43
but on the third night she just could not deny what was happening to Kelly and Trigger warning for sexual assault here
00:50:49
this was really awful that evening when Kelly yelled for help Carmen went into the room expecting to find nothing but
00:50:55
she said she found her struggling on the bed and when she went closer she saw a hand or she felt a hand sorry push her
00:51:02
back violently and she caught a glimpse of what was attacking her niece she said
00:51:07
I saw an arm the knuckles and Joints go up under her night shirt up over her breast and back through the wall at that
00:51:13
point I realized something was going on what the [ __ ] is going on here it only gets worse what so much worse oh my
00:51:25
after that night the attack on the entire family escalated to the point that one or more of the family members
00:51:30
were being attacked or harassed like daily holy [ __ ] at first Kelly seemed to be the main target and she was assaulted
00:51:37
several more times God by this unseen entity she said this [ __ ] of a ghosta she said the covers would be pulling off
00:51:44
the bed there would be voices and lots of scratches and she said it seemed as though with Philip out of the house the
00:51:50
ghost had shifted the attention to the other me members of the family and nobody was spared wow one evening after
00:51:57
Carmen had fallen asleep in the bed next to her husband The Entity turned its attention toward Al the uh he he I have
00:52:05
like a quote here of his experience and it's uh triggering I would say oh boy so
00:52:10
he told Sally Jesse Raphael I felt a strange sensation coming over my body it started at my feet and was climbing up
00:52:16
through my body before I had a chance to reach over to tell kmen to tell her something was wrong I was frozen and
00:52:21
couldn't move then I felt a stinging penetration in my anal area and I was trying to scream to cry out for Carmen
00:52:28
to help me somehow but I couldn't move after a while I don't know how long it got it had gone away and there was no
00:52:34
more sensation I woke Carmen up and I said Carmen I think I was just sodomized by this
00:52:43
demon yikes I I have no words I have so many feelings do carry on Okay so he said
00:52:56
when he tried to explain to Carmen what happened uh he struggled to find the right words he said and this is sad he
00:53:02
said it wasn't like a normal rape not like a personto person type like he felt like this was like an entity this is
00:53:08
horrific no it really is it reminds me of the um we covered it the SML family yes yes I thought of them too so a few
00:53:16
nights later Carmen had her own experience with the entity in the middle of the night she said when it would take
00:53:21
me sexually assault me it would laugh with such pleasure it enjoyed what it was doing to me and I just couldn't move
00:53:27
it was the most terrifying thing I've ever experienced so this started with like voices seeing things out of the
00:53:33
corner of their eyes and then it turned to fullblown like sexual assault demon style this is uh this is so much this is
00:53:47
not just a regular haunting this isn't a run-of-the-mill uh haunt it's not this isn't uh one of those fun ones yeah it's
00:53:56
definitely not nope so after more than 2 years at this point the family knew that
00:54:00
they couldn't just you know continue living like this being attacked nightly but they didn't really know what to do
00:54:06
or how they should even proceed their first instinct was to call the police but uh you can't what are you going to
00:54:13
say what are you going to say and they didn't think any anybody would believe them so instead Carmen turned to their
00:54:19
church for comfort and hoped that their priest father Wheatley would have some idea about what to do he did not I'm
00:54:26
shocked he had like one idea but it didn't really work out he had one idea he had like one idea he had a crumb of
00:54:31
an idea didn't really pan out though a few days later father Wheatley came over he was sitting in the living room and he
00:54:37
listened as Carmen told him about what had been happening and you know he was patient he was supportive but as Carmen
00:54:44
suspected he was he was skeptical to say the least he said your entire family has
00:54:49
been through a great deal but then he rattled off a list of the traumas that they had experienced since Philip had
00:54:54
been diagnosed with cancer and then you know everything else they had gone through yeah so he was essentially being
00:54:59
like you've gone through a lot and I think it's manifesting uh this way yeah but he
00:55:05
still offered to bless the house and he assured Carmen that he and the congregation would continue to be a
00:55:09
source of support for them but whatever relief Carmen felt after father wheatle blessed the house was very short-lived
00:55:16
because apparently hours after the priest left the house she was violently assaulted in her bedroom and that
00:55:22
experience only ended when Kelly burst into the bedroom and like saved her wow so after all that had happened in the
00:55:29
house nobody felt comfortable living there anymore but Alan Carmen didn't have any money to move like they were
00:55:34
stuck there that's usually the worst thing in these scenarios you're like I wouldn't stay there and then you're like
00:55:39
but where are you going to go exactly they hoped that the blessing would get rid of whatever was attacking them but
00:55:44
it actually only seemed to make whatever this was this entity angrier and more aggressive so as she sat thinking about
00:55:50
what they should do she remembered a magazine that her friend had given her a week or so earlier and in there was an
00:55:57
article about this Connecticut husband and wife team they were like Paranormal experts who specialized in Demon cases
00:56:04
I've never really heard of anybody like that no me either no yeah Carmen went into the living room she found the
00:56:09
magazine and she flipped the pages until she came to this article about Ed and Lorraine Warren you said Ed and Lorraine
00:56:18
yeah it doesn't really I'm I'm interested to hear about these folks these newcomers on the scene good old Ed
00:56:23
and lorine the article said that the Warren lived in Monroe which was just uh less than an hour away so Carmen called
00:56:30
information and was able to get their number oh boy she called and Lorraine picked up on the first ring she said
00:56:36
yellow she said hello it's line it's me Lorraine Warren demon demon exorcist At Your Service that's literally how she
00:56:42
answered the phone I know it me too so then Carmen immediately launched into her story so fast and with so much
00:56:49
intensity that lorine had to ask her to slow down several times and she was like
00:56:53
you need to take a breath you got to start over when Carmen finally got through the story lorine told her to
00:56:58
keep her Rosary handy and to use it that evening if there were any attacks but that she and her husband would be there
00:57:04
at that house the very next morning hell yeah they are and just as they promised
00:57:08
Ed and lorine Warren showed up at the house a little after 9:00 a.m. that very next morning Ed and line and they
00:57:14
interviewed Alan Carmen in the living room Carmen had worried about how she sounded on the phone the previous
00:57:19
afternoon and couldn't help that the Warren probably wouldn't believe her but before she could say anything more Ed
00:57:25
said we'd like to know that if we sound as if we doubt what you're saying that's
00:57:29
not the case at all we just have to be sure in every way we possibly can be that the things you tell us about have
00:57:35
been brought on by Supernatural forces okay so his words were a relief to Alan Carmen they felt like somebody was
00:57:42
finally going to help them somebody was finally listening and in Late July of 1988 Ed and Lorraine Warren started
00:57:49
their investigation into this family's haunting here we go it would ultimately last several months and it actually
00:57:55
involved the Warren living in the house with the family for 9 weeks that is so Ed and line coded I
00:58:03
can't even wee and F din for nine weeks straight they said roomies company roomies I like the little finger gun you
00:58:12
they did both of them did finger guns and said roomies and Ed said I'm literally So Random so Random you're
00:58:20
watching a haunting your house moving in your house God we were watching a haunting the other night with Mikey and
00:58:25
Dave and was there was like another casee likee he snorting it was like another case and this like person got uh
00:58:33
possessed at a table with Ed and like shoved him back in his chair but he's like making this like the actor that
00:58:39
plays him is making this face like and Mikey goes I'm literally So Random we were crying so now whenever
00:58:50
picture it's all I think about yep he's literally So Random literally he's so random but according to random Ed Warren
00:59:00
whatever was in the house was demonic in nature of course he said it's very old very cunning and absolutely without a
00:59:06
doubt very very evil mean you know yeah not nice just overall bad time Lorraine explained that demonic infestations like
00:59:16
the one that the family was experiencing quote always occur in a five-step progression encroachment infestation
00:59:23
oppression possession and finally death oh and she said that somebody probably Phillip had either knowingly or
00:59:31
unknowingly let the demon into the house and ever since then it had been working
00:59:35
to drive the family apart and Destroy them damn real nice whoever let the demon in I know but Lorraine was quick
00:59:41
to add that things weren't as dire as they seemed she told Alan Carmen we can fight it but only with the help of God
00:59:47
will we win okay I would think that God's like really busy yeah he I mean he's got a lot to worry about so that's
00:59:56
a little nerve-racking yeah but for more than two years Carmen and Al had struggled to understand what was
01:00:00
happening in their house and now they were finally getting some answers so they were happy yeah in a 1988 interview
01:00:06
Carmen said you always think am I going crazy did I imagine all this but the Warren gave them both perspective and
01:00:12
reminded them that they weren't alone and Carmen said the big problem is is whether or not so many people could be
01:00:18
crazy this isn't happening to one person that's true so she was like this happens
01:00:23
all the time and there you go you know I mean there's a little thing called hysteria but there is that but we'll put
01:00:30
that to the side I I I'm just here to say that I believe in hauntings I do too I very much believe in ghosts not sure
01:00:37
about this one but uh just you know just laying it all out just you know this is
01:00:41
the story we look at it from all angles it's a crazy story no matter what it's a
01:00:45
nut bag story this is a nut bag story a bag of nuts but in the in the months SL weeks of their investigation the Warr
01:00:52
ends along with their assistance they always have assistance oh yeah who is who is edin L Lorraine Warren's
01:00:59
assistant not now obviously but like who is that person there's multiple yeah that's what I'm like who who is the
01:01:06
person that help are you in your life like who who goes for that job I don't know I'm not saying it's a bad person
01:01:12
I'm just saying like who are you yeah if you were one of edin Lorraine Warren's assistants I just want to know hit us up
01:01:19
what was it like be like what yeah tell me I don't know anything I'm just I'm here yeah well they had like all
01:01:24
different kinds of people work for them like that even the episode we were watching the other night the one the
01:01:28
girl that got possessed was their assistant and she was Clair voyant oh yeah you're right so they always had
01:01:35
people with like different gifts were sensitive to the yeah like empaths yeah the sad this time their assistants were
01:01:41
John zafus and Chris mckennell um and they claimed to have experienced a variety of unpleasant and assaultive
01:01:48
experiences in the house that's scary on the first night in the house Z zapis excuse me and mckinnel claimed to quote
01:01:55
have suffered Burning Sensations when they tried to Corner this their Supernatural foe oh I love that and yeah
01:02:02
I love Supernatural foe we are Supernatural foe that that's a great one that [ __ ] slaps that's a banger of a
01:02:11
band Nam Supernatural oh yeah listen to their Supernatural flow oh boom just being like hey have you
01:02:20
heard the new Supernatural foe album what would it I love I love so much oh it would the first the first album would
01:02:29
be called ectoplasm whoa you should be a tour manager yeah I like this a lot but that
01:02:36
night every when they were you know facing off their Supernatural foe not the band the actual foe the actual
01:02:41
everybody in the house heard heavy footsteps banging noises there were flickering lights a ton of [ __ ] in one
01:02:48
instance Al had just fallen asleep and he was awoken by a noise and a bright flashing light and he said from within
01:02:54
the light emerged the dead decaying face of Jesus Christ that mocked him and tell
01:03:00
and told him there was nothing he could do to help this is when we really need to
01:03:10
start filming these because I just took the most judgmental sip of water I I'm just going to say had you seen the sip
01:03:17
of water that I said I said clingy clang clang raise eyebrows sip cuz like what a
01:03:26
what a [ __ ] move like it just be like nothing you can do about a loser it was like the demon it was the demon that was
01:03:34
not Jesus no it's not Christlike I just picture this like a decaying face of Christ just being like nobody likes you
01:03:43
boo you [ __ ] you're dumb I wish the decaying face of Jesus looked at Alan and said boo you [ __ ] boo you [ __ ]
01:03:50
that's funny I don't actually wish that but feel like I don't moving forward that's just there's some Wy sentences
01:03:58
being spoke during this I think that's that's where I am there are some Wy sentences the sentences spoken during
01:04:06
this are off the chart imagine having to speak them in a storytelling voice I love it well as the Warren and their
01:04:13
assistants continued their investigation the Demonic forces in the house were just growing stronger Bolder at one
01:04:19
point they even tried to possess Carmen oh F and it was at that point that Ed concluded the only way to confidently
01:04:25
get rid of the entities in this house was to have a Catholic priest perform an exorcism brought to you by Catholic
01:04:34
priest performing exorcisms let's go after the attack on Carmen Ed made a few calls allegedly in order to get uh
01:04:42
allegedly yeah very allegedly man in order to get permission from the Catholic arch dicese of Hartford oh [ __ ]
01:04:49
got real according to Ed and Lorraine Warren on September 6th 1988 two Roman Catholic priests and a deacon arrived at
01:04:56
the house and performed the exorcism which successfully drove the demons out of the home The Vibes so anti-climactic
01:05:06
oh that was just it they just came and they were like well we did it yes oh all right thanks priest yeah and Deacon it's
01:05:14
uh unclear how it happened but within a week or two word of the exorcism reached
01:05:17
the press as it always does exorcisms are always going to reach the Press you can't ever sweep an exorcism under the
01:05:23
rug yeah what are the things you can count on in life death death taxes taxes and word of the exorcism reaching the
01:05:31
press three things you can count on in life Tru so this family and the Warrens were flooded with calls from reporters
01:05:37
seeking a comment on the story Ed told a reporter an exorcism has been performed
01:05:42
in the house and it's been very successful but someone going into that house and performing a seance or some
01:05:47
type of ritual could bring it back there's something in that house that is intangible it's invisible it has the
01:05:53
power to inflict physical pain it is something something that is very evil oh yeah sounds like a movie it sure does in
01:06:02
his initial statement to the Press Ed Warren insisted quote the ritual was sanctioned by the arch dases of Hartford
01:06:08
but I smelled a butt I smell the butt coming when they were contacted for comment a spokesperson for the dicese
01:06:16
refuted those claims Reverend John gatsik I believe it is said from what I can gather there was an exorcism
01:06:23
performed and supposedly it was with the arch Bishop's permission but according to gatsik the dases never received any
01:06:29
formal request for an exorcism and as far as he knew none had been performed by any of his people I'm pretty sure
01:06:36
that Ed and Lorraine have a couple of those under their belt where they say they contact the arch dases of goopo
01:06:43
yeah and then they don't and then something happens and then the church is like we we didn't do that yeah that's
01:06:49
happened in at least one of our other stories I feel like that's kind of like that's like their thing yeah like you
01:06:53
know like we all have our thing did we contact the arch dicese or no like you know like like ash loves leopard print
01:07:00
yeah um I love I love ghost and Eden Lorraine Warren love to not contact the arch dicese of blah blah blah to get
01:07:09
permission precisely and this guy this uh Reverend said no permission has been given nor is there any intention in the
01:07:16
near future to have an exorcism performed because I'm pretty sure the church is like I mean at least like the
01:07:22
Catholic church I don't know about like all churches but I'm pretty sure they're
01:07:25
like not interested in exorcisms anymore yeah I'm pretty sure that's yeah I think got
01:07:30
them a bad rep at but I definitely I I think it's bad press for them I don't think they they love an exorcism I don't
01:07:37
think so either but in late I was going to say in late exorcism in the late exorcisms in late September rather just
01:07:44
a week after The Exorcism of the home the the family moved out of the house although the house was supposedly clear
01:07:50
of any de demonic activity after the exorcism the trauma that they claimed to have endured while living there made it
01:07:56
very difficult to stay Carmen told a reporter the memories and things that have happened we'll never feel
01:08:01
comfortable in that house again my children are frightened to the point where they don't want to go to the
01:08:05
bathroom alone that's so sad which is sad that's really sad so they they moved back to New York and their experiences
01:08:12
with the Paranormal seemed to come to an end but interest in their story only grew in the years that followed the move
01:08:18
between 1988 and 1992 several members of the family gave interviews to the press
01:08:24
and they came on uh they appeared on popular National talk shows there was Sally Jesse Raphael Larry King live my
01:08:31
personal favorite the Mory Povich Show oh my do you remember when you would stay home from school and watch the Mory
01:08:37
poage show and like change the channel when your mom would come in the best absolutely and Sally Jessie Raphael is
01:08:42
like a blast from the past she's the one with the glasses right red glasses I never watched her show cuz I think it
01:08:47
was like before my time yeah but I think so Mory Povich honey Mory poic wasn't Mor like the governor of somewhere at
01:08:53
one point was he I'm pretty sure was the governor of somewhere I'm going he just
01:08:57
looked at be like I don't know I mean you could absolutely be right but I don't remember that
01:09:03
Governor there's like Mory and then there's another guy there's one guy that was like the governor or something or
01:09:10
like the mayor was he like another talk show host yes think about like Jerry Springer was he somewhere yeah Jerry
01:09:17
Springer it is Jerry Springer oh he served as one year for mayor for Jerry Springer did Cincinnati Jerry Springer
01:09:24
wow I didn't know that yeah fun fact I wasn't allowed to watch Jerry Springer oh honey I wasn't allowed to watch any
01:09:29
of this but I was watching it I was M wasn't super crazy about like myy but she wasn't like forbidden but Jerry
01:09:36
Springer was forbidden in our house um my friend shout out to Taran once skipped school and I think it was Jerry
01:09:42
Springer she went to go see the Jerry Springer Show but her mom saw her in the audience and knew that she skipped
01:09:49
school to go to the Jerry Springer Show what an experience love you T but uh so yeah they were doing like all these talk
01:09:57
show appearances and according to Carmen their appearances in the press and on telev on telev we're getting to the end
01:10:04
on the television television she said they were motivated by a quote desire to help others with similar problems and
01:10:10
discourage people from dabbling in the Supernatural That's entirely possible but critics and Skeptics of this story
01:10:17
couldn't help but notice that the media attention culminated in a book about the
01:10:21
haunting that was written by Ed Warren in horror author uh Ray garden with the help of the family ah and those critics
01:10:30
may have had a good point because in a dark place the true story of a haunting was released in 1992 and all the media
01:10:37
attention that the story had received up to that point only help to promote the book look at that in a statement to the
01:10:44
reporters the owner of the house darl Kern our guy dismissed the family's claims and he said he had never received
01:10:51
any complaints about the house not even from that particular family wow he said they're just trying to make a buck on a
01:10:57
book as far as I'm concerned it's a Dead Issue oh among the more vocal of the sneaker's critics were the tenants on
01:11:03
the second floor because remember this was an apartment yeah Ivonne and Jim Safford and ivonne's brother Richard
01:11:10
were their neighbors on the second floor and Avon told a reporter I've been here
01:11:14
for 2 years and I haven't seen or heard anything wow that's that'll tell you that's a
01:11:20
little you know yeah in October of 1992 the safford's actually appeared alongside the sticers on Sally Jesse
01:11:28
Raphael for an episode titled I was raped by a ghost early '90s talk shows went crazy they went absolutely crazy
01:11:37
they went off they went Bonk you could never get away with the [ __ ] they used to get away with now never in the
01:11:45
episode the sneakers talked about their experiences focusing mostly on the sexual assaults that they said happened
01:11:52
uh after which the Safford were brought on stage to refute their claims Jim Safford said the most obvious thing for
01:11:58
me is the inconsistencies in their story I researched it with my wife and a close
01:12:03
relative of the sers told me there was nothing to it that they were making it up just for the money wow and in fact
01:12:09
Ivon claimed that the entire story was made up after the sneers started having really bad financial troubles I wondered
01:12:15
if which is sad Ivon told Sally Jesse Raphael they never had a problem till they got behind on the rent o which like
01:12:22
that's mean you don't need to like air their dirty laundry damn other neighbors soon joined the chorus of those who
01:12:27
believed that the sneakers were lying a friend of Phillips uh Jeff poer told Sally Jesse rapael that Philip had a
01:12:34
history of using hallucinogenic drugs oh and that went a long way to explaining the change in his behavior yes
01:12:41
absolutely he said I personally don't think there was anything going on there he was a Storyteller he always had to be
01:12:46
center of attention similarly the saker's neighbor across the street Catherine uh altimus
01:12:53
kept a journal of all the disruptive events and claimed that many of the loud noises and other claims that the sticers
01:12:59
made could just be explained by traffic sounds and cars with loud mufflers oh it
01:13:05
was her opinion that they had planned this from the moment that they moved in ah and even those who had been once
01:13:11
supportive of the sneers like nextdoor neighbor Joan Mirabel started to get suspicious after the story started to
01:13:17
spread she said I don't believe they made the whole thing up but every time I've seen kmen on TV the story became
01:13:22
more and more involved and it just got bigger yeah and that's when you know yeah among the more suspicious claims of
01:13:29
the story at least as far as locals were concerned was that they had no idea the
01:13:33
house had been the former location of a funeral home like they thought that was Mar Malarkey yeah according to Daryl
01:13:39
Kern who was the landlord uh the sneakers were told of the houses history before they rented the funeral home had
01:13:45
only shut down 2 years before they moved in and at the time that Carmen went to look at the apartment the old sign for
01:13:52
the business was still standing in the front yard come on and could easily be seen from the road okay there you go
01:13:59
yeah now while the criticism from skeptical neighbors was a prominent feature of the books publicity there
01:14:04
were perhaps none more skeptical of the sneakers than members of committee for the scientific investigation of claims
01:14:11
of the Paranormal or CSI cup you know that's kind of their job that's actually their entire job for job for those who
01:14:21
don't know they're a national group of scientists and Industry expert and it's their mission to promote critical
01:14:26
thinking in America I mean I love that yeah beginning in the mid 1970s CSI cop I I don't know if that's actually what
01:14:33
they're called but it's very fun to call sounds hilarious though they were very vocal critics of Ed and Lorraine Warren
01:14:38
as they should be and they saw this particular case the sneaker case as part of a pattern where the Warren were just
01:14:44
kind of promoting their own agenda yeah the Warren had some had done something very similarly a decade earlier with the
01:14:50
story of George and Kathy Lutz the family who inspired the idville horror and we all know how that one went which
01:14:57
we will be covering this spooky season we will because that is attached to a very real and very tragic story very
01:15:04
tragic uh CSI cop member Joe nickel wrote already having helped promote the Amityville Horror and similar West
01:15:12
pitson Pennsylvania nightmare the Warren continued their modus operandi of arriving at a quote unquote haunted
01:15:17
house and transforming the case into a quote unquote demonic one and you know claiming that they contact the arch
01:15:23
dases of a place not doing it also their thing that's a pattern of behavior Jo nickel don't [ __ ] forget that yeah
01:15:28
don't forget it that's their thing yeah Joe was one of the many Skeptics who spoke out publicly against the family
01:15:34
including appearing alongside them on Sally Jesse Raphael and the Mory Povich Show that's that's awesome I love that
01:15:41
everybody was like just beefing on television just beefing on daytime television like let's go just beefing
01:15:46
while everybody's at work yeah but like several other critics he pointed out the
01:15:50
many inconsistencies in the family story including the fact that contrary to how
01:15:55
it had been presented in the press the family did not actually move from the house
01:16:00
voluntarily uh nickel wrote long before the Sally show the saker's landl had served them with an eviction notice for
01:16:06
failing to pay their rent which is very sad he also pointed to several other facts about the family that were not
01:16:12
mentioned in the book or in their many television and media appearan appearances including the sexual assault
01:16:19
allegations Al's history of alcoholism and a very long history of just dysfunction in general yeah it sounds
01:16:26
like it and he noted that perhaps most telling was that many years after its publication Ed Warren's co-author on in
01:16:34
a dark place Ray Garden he repudiated the book and the Warren which is not great yeah I'm like
01:16:42
Jo join the long the long line of people yeah not a great thing for the story no
01:16:48
definitely not he quoted the garden as uh not the garden he quoted Garten as saying the family involved which was
01:16:53
going through some serious problems like alcoholism and drug addiction could not
01:16:57
keep their story straight and I became very frustrated it's hard writing a non-fiction book when all the people
01:17:02
involved are telling you different stories oh very sad that is sad it's kind of sad all the way through and then
01:17:08
it gets like realistically sad in the end oh no yeah in 1993 after the release of in a dark place had made them uh very
01:17:17
controversial Stars yeah Alan Carmen moved to moved their family to Tennessee to kind of like quiet down a little bit
01:17:23
Carmen's family lived out there but despite the controversy surrounding the story and the large number of Skeptics
01:17:30
and critics uh the book actually sold really well for the first couple years and in the mid 2000s members of the
01:17:36
family appeared in a featurelength docu drama for the Discovery Channel entitled
01:17:41
A Haunting in Connecticut that's oh I remember that y the family they told their story it was dramaticized with
01:17:48
interviews and paid actors and then in 2009 the story would surface again this time as the source material for The
01:17:55
Haunting in Connecticut which is a mostly fictionalized version of what they say actually happened artistic
01:18:02
license yes yes uh since the release of The Haunting in Connecticut members of the sneer family have tried to stay out
01:18:08
of the spotlight and in the decades that followed um Philip's cancer remained in
01:18:13
remission but in late 2011 his cancer returned and he passed away on January 9th 2012 at the age of 38 oh damn
01:18:22
yeah and that is the end of the sneaker family haunting AKA The Haunting in Connecticut wow it's a Wy story that's a
01:18:33
truly Wy story and anytime it involves that in Lorraine I say sign me up cuz it's you know it's going to be cucko
01:18:41
nuts bananas it's going to take you into another realm yeah and aren't we all just looking for that we're always
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looking for that Ed and Loren are such like fascinating creatures like they're such a fascinating case study they are
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on you know scammers that I think also believe some of the stuff that they pedal that's the thing because I don't
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believe I I definitely believe that they were like scamming people yeah but I don't believe
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that I I think they I think they believed some of their [ __ ] I think they believed some of their [ __ ] like I don't
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believe they were 100% scammers I I really do believe that they they at least believed some of it yeah and I
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think I think it got bigger than them and they were just like all right I think they just
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it and they saw what Wasing for them and they saw the dollar signs and they they
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turned it into what it shouldn't have been yeah but that's what I think they're Fascinating People I agree
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fascinating creatures that in l l and also so Random literally So Random with such a serious pattern of behavior truly
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the arch dicese of it all you know just the arch dases of it all is just a great
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way to wrap up there it really is it is it's great a like two truths and a lie for them yes like that one of their
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truths or lies can be like call say I call the arch dices but I never do or I always call the arch dicese and maybe
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that's the truth or maybe it's the LIE who knows who tell it's Lorraine Ed Warren you know Wy [ __ ] they're crazy
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well we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it we but not so weird that you don't actually call the arch
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dases if you say you're going to call the arch dases because if you call the arch dicese and
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you lie about it they'll get mad yeah just do it if you say you're going to do it you know I just kind of like to say
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Arch dases call hello it's us the arch dases [Music] [Music]