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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid [Music] it's morbid in the morning
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morbid in the morning and this is a um a redo a remix a remaster we decided to revisit the JonBenet
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Ramsay case because one there's been a little talk Of it in the news lately with the possibility of DNA testing
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happening and I just thought we could do a better job yeah with this case I think
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it um the original JonBenet episodes were recorded when we were recording separately too so the audio was like
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really terrible and we just know that we could do it better yeah it just I I thought there's you know more stuff has
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come out there's been there was stuff that I just didn't talk about or I felt like I rushed through so I figured I
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would take the time to do what is going to be only a two-part it's not gonna go further than that we'll see two parts
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I'm capping it at that because um we're going to talk about the crime we're going to talk about some of like the
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crazy stuff involved in the crime and the crime scene the autopsy in part one and then part two we're gonna really
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discuss the Intruder Theory um and we're gonna discuss some of the um suspects that have come out all right
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so just putting it out there right now I do not know who killed JonBenet Ramsey yeah I'm not gonna say what my thoughts
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are on that because I don't know yeah I wasn't there you guys so you know you you have yours I have mine we all will
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thank them in our heads and then someday DNA will confirm one of them yeah that's
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all but right now I just want to say that um John Ramsey jonbenet's father did launch a change.org petition where
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he asked the Colorado government to allow an independent agency to test DNA found at Japanese crime scene okay and
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it's pushing very hard to have that happen wow so there's that um they're still petitioning as we speak
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police to allow parabon Nano Labs which we've heard before that's like a pretty uh big lab that will test like
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especially old DNA um they're petitioning to have them test the DNA jonbenée's half-brother John Andrew is
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also helping his father try to get this push forward nice um and in August they did
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Joe Biden did put forward a law that they were like really the Ramses were really really like strong supporters of
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that allows victims families to help reopen cold cases that's awesome so that was a big deal
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um John Ramsey told Kiro 7 News quote we want to do whatever can be done technically and resource wise to find
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the killer of our daughter and if we do that and we can't then we will have to live with it but we do know but to not
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do it is Criminal and negligent and lazy the Boulder Police have said they are actively reviewing genetic DNA testing
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processes to try to make this happen but it has not happened yet all right and I
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think there was a lot of like Sensational news coming out about it recently that everyone's like we're
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gonna know within hours what they were saying was if they give the DNA to parabon Nano labs they could
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potentially have an answer in hours okay that's what they were saying because when they have not been able to at this
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point it looks like they have not been allowed to do that yet given the green light or whatever we will all update if
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and when that happens but yeah all right so I just wanted to start that and now let's talk about JonBenet Ramsey
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JonBenet Patricia Ramsey was born August 6 1990 in Boulder Colorado she was born
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to John Bennett Ramsey and Patricia Patsy Ramsey together they had JonBenet who was six at the time of this crime
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and her brother Burke who was nine years old at the time of this crime John was the president of access Graphics which
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is a computer company they were you know a very like well-off family they lived in like this beautiful like tutor style
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home that home is beautiful yeah it's a really beautiful house but apparently it's like a very mace-like house a lot
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of their their former housekeeper actually said that we'll talk about her in the second part for sure
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um but she said it's like very Labyrinthian so it can be like very confusing to get around okay but not
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ideal yeah but Patricia was his second wife he had three children from his first marriage a son and two daughters
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one daughter Elizabeth actually passed away in a 1992 car crash oh I remember that yeah so that's like really sad a
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lot of tragedy definitely Patricia Patsy was a former beauty queen from West Virginia she had held the title of Miss
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West Virginia so that's like a big deal she was beautiful for sure oh yeah um this was a big point of Pride for her
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she carried it down to her daughter JonBenet who also had entered pageants from a very young age like baby
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had won America's Royal miss little miss uh what is it little Miss Charleroi Little Miss Colorado
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National tiny Miss Beauty Colorado State all-star kids Cover Girl I think she's won more but that's like a good lineup
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that I found there you go um I'm not going to share my thoughts on pageants pageants are definitely not uh
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easy for a kid this age they're they're not just them walking out and being like
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yay and then it's like that's it's like a lot of hard work you've seen toddlers in Tiaras I know it yeah I have not but
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not you yeah but I know like I know you have she was wearing a lot of makeup uh were
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very interesting in adult costumes at times I had a flip did she have a flipper yeah I was just gonna talk about
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that actually she also had her hair lightened yeah it was like bleached um and I was just gonna say kids that
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age usually wear flippers to cover missing teeth which I never understood because
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it's normal and adorable for kids that are sick to have missing teeth that's like one of the hilarious and adorable
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parts of six-year-olds it's not like you're like Old Miss California like showing up on stage with no teeth well
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that's the thing so if these pageants are looking to like Truly find an adorable child who is age appropriate
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and not a baby who has been turned into an adult then why would missing teeth matter in
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the judging process I would not happen to know wouldn't it only help like to me that would only help because they're
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children and they should be looked at as children and you should be like oh my God look at that cute little baby with
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her missing front teeth like that's a baby that's cute we're supposed to be judging them based off of them being a
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child but that to me just proves that they're being judged to look like an adult yeah 100 percent
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which again I'm not going to share my thoughts on yeah that's that's why I just said yeah you know that I was
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almost a pageant baby I don't I wouldn't allow that time no I know you know what's Wild my mom actually wouldn't
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allow it to happen my grandma on my dad's side like really wanted me to do pageants and my mom was like I don't
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think so you know what that checks out it does it checks out I think I'm not positive if my grandma on that side did
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pageants but but she wanted you to she sure did because you were beautiful I don't either I don't either
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so there was definitely some pageant mom behavior that was really focused on later when this case broke
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it is unfortunate that that became the focus of this case I think yeah because that shouldn't be the focus the focus
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should be just the fact that JonBenet yeah it's tough would you we all we all did it we all looked at this and we're
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like what the [ __ ] is going on there like that was my first thought was like what is happening here I know that
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people get really upset now like when you say it was a different time but it's literally just a fact it truly was Paul
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is this Collective Society maybe not all of us but as a collective Society we all
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were growing back then and growing to where we are now and I think we've got to a place where we can look at it a
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little more like a little differently exactly and we can look at it like I think we've all seen that the media
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doesn't give you the full story and I think back then we were looking at it and going holy [ __ ] this is it yeah
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that's all like they're giving us all very very sensationalized yeah and it's like I think now we are better equipped
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as a society at least slightly some of us yes to look at it and go okay that is part of
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the story sure but there's more to this and I shouldn't really just take this at
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face value of what's splashed on a tabloid exactly like let's dig a Little Deeper because I've seen and I know
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you've seen in your research like particular sources you double check it and it's not even correct and it's not
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correct that's the thing so I think that's the reason too why we want to redo some of these that we did even in
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the beginning of the podcast absolutely because we even look at things differently absolutely by doing this
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podcast I feel like I look at things differently so that's why some of these are being redone because it's just like
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I can look at this differently and more complete now yeah and I feel like I can give a better like I can give you guys
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something better to look at and make your own decision on yeah I mean three to four years ago like yeah you do you
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do change a lot especially when you're doing this day in and day out yeah and I think it's I like to go into things now
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like less with like this is what I think happened even if it's you know I mean I'm more like here are the facts make
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your own yeah it's like I'm I just want to try to give you what happened and be like you guys have you know until we
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have definitive answers this is all we can go off of theory but no matter what it's really hard to argue against the
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fact that there was 100 some pageant mom Behavior here yeah like a six-year-old's
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hair in my opinion and I would hope a lot more people's opinion should not be lightened no I don't agree with that at
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all like I agree with you yeah um and I a lot of the pictures are very disturbing to look at in my opinion
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that's just me I think I think a lot of them are very disturbing but that doesn't mean that anybody you know
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that that doesn't make anybody a killer no it's just absolutely not you know a questionable Choice that's all but a
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story that did stick with me that I read in a couple of sources was that um her friend actually came over once
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and she noticed jonbenet's numerous trophies and crowns and all that and they were in this very like big case all
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displayed and the friend was like wow those are so pretty like wow yeah and she so she said this to JonBenet and
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JonBenet said they're not really mine they're more my mom's trophies that broke my heart into pieces and that was
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like yeah that's bad wanted to have that realization at like five six years yeah
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like this isn't for me this is for my mom and it's like I do know that that happens a lot that people will try to
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live vicariously through their kids yeah don't do it yeah I think a lot of times
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it happens and parents don't realize well that's the thing sometimes I think it's completely like I think they I I
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believe that Patsy probably convinced herself that jonbodie loved doing this absolutely because she loved doing this
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so it's and it's a thing they can do together a lot of la la but you know there's that now people who knew the
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family uh very well say that she wasn't forced to perform she wasn't forced to do this she just loved being on stage
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she could be shying quiet outside of that but she really loved the stage she like flourished on there try theater
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yeah um according to the Denver Post family members said about JonBenet one of her
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uncles actually said the beauty pageant thing that was a very very small part of
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her life 99 of her life was spent as a typical six-year-old what we see on TV and in pictures that's not who JonBenet
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was and that's sad and I think that's another thing that the media does is I'm sure there are photos of JonBenet where
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she looked like champagne exactly she wasn't all done hop in a big glitzy crown and dress and everything like
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exactly let's show a picture of her and her friends you know I know that's the that's cool picture yeah and it's like
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that's the thing and they do that with a lot of these cases where they'll only show certain photos that kind of go to a
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certain image and it's like you know she's a brutally murdered six-year-old yeah can we show photos of her that are
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like like you said like her just being a six-year-old right like do we have to Splash all those to further perpetuate
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like pedophiles and like people who will take those in a way that they shouldn't
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like we really don't need to do that like just show her as a six-year-old so everybody can be like wow that like
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start like actually grieve for her right but you know whatever now in the same article she's described
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as being a very loving spunky and very kind child she loved Fruit Roll-Ups and anything with sparkles she also would
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give presents to Santa to thank him for gifts that he had gotten her that's like
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she was that sweet her teachers and friends at school all described her as positive very intelligent neighbor said
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she was helpful and just adorable like a sweet little light to have around yeah and I'll get into like the there's like
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Santa theories and stuff in this that's gonna happen in part two oh I don't even
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remember those yeah there's one man Bill McReynolds who got like put on the suspects list by theorists basically and
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he was like this he would play Santa at the parties and actually she gave him uh
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and I'll get into this more in part two but I'll just mention it um she'd given him a vial of uh gold
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glitter oh and he took it into his heart surgery with him yeah because he said it
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was like he said like he was like she just like her kindness really touched me she was just and he was like old and she
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he was and he talked about it later and was like she was just like she really like touched me she was just like a
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sweet little girl and like gave me that because she thought I was Santa people love to read into things and I'll again
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we'll get more into that whole Theory again but it does it's kind of a bummer that like
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everything gets twisted in this case no matter what uh so December 25th 1996 Patricia John
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JonBenet and Burke went to a Christmas party at a very close family friends home this home was at the White's home
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that was a fleet in Priscilla white they were very close family friends JonBenet you know she partied she had
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some food she hung out she opened presents then she fell asleep on the way home in the car so her parents you know
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did what every parent has done before John carried his sleeping daughter to her bedroom yeah uh she went to sleep
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wearing white Long John type leggings and a white long-sleeve T-shirt with a silver sequined star on the front of it
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cute now December 26 1996 this was very early according to Patricia she woke up in the five o'clock
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hour in the morning and she found a two and a half page handwritten Ransom note on a staircase
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at the bottom of the staircase when she went down there like woke up brushed her
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teeth walked down there this is what she finds uh the note claimed to be from a kidnapper who claimed that they had
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JonBenet they wanted money for her safe return but it was a very strange long threatening weird Ransom note yeah
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it was then that she said that she said she ran upstairs found that JonBenet was
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not in her bed and then woke up John now this is what the ransom note said Mr Ramsey listen carefully we are a
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group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction we respect your business but not the country that it
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serves at this time we have your daughter in our possession She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see
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1997 you must follow our instructions to the letter you will withdraw 118 thousand dollars from your account
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remember that number 100 100 000 will be in a hundred dollar bills and the remaining eighteen thousand and twenty
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dollar bills make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank when you get home you will put the money
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in a brown paper bag I will call you between 8 and 10 a.m tomorrow to instruct you on delivery the delivery
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will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested if you want if we monitor you getting
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the money early we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier pickup
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delivery of delivery and that was like kind of exed out pickup of your daughter um
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any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter you will be denied her
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remains for proper burial the two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise
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you do not provoke them speaking to anyone about your situation such as police FBI Etc will result in your
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daughter being beheaded if we catch you talking to a stray dog she dies if you alert Bank Authorities she dies if the
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money is in any way marked or tampered with she dies you will be scanned for electronic devices if and if any are
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found she dies you can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar with
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law enforcement countermeasures and tactics you stand a 99 chance of killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us
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follow our instructions and you stand a hundred percent chance of getting her back you and your family are under
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constant scrutiny as well as the authorities don't try to grow a brain John you are not the only fat cat around
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so don't think that kid that killing will be difficult don't underestimate us John use that good good Southern common
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sense of yours it's up to you now John Jesus and then it says Victory exclamation point s b t c s b t c
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there's a lot of so I saw a lot of people talking about how this seems like something that they
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got out of like a movie like a detective magazine it's outrageously long a lot of people mentioned why did they
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say like bring an adequate size attache to the bank like why does that matter why would you
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even write that what even is an attached egg a bag of some like something to put
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the money in and I'm like you're sitting here kidnapping a child and you have time to write out attache that's the
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thing and it's like and then um what was the other like uh I saw in a couple of sources they were talking
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about like be well rested like how is he going to be well rested you've kidnapped his
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child and also like why do you care yeah like why does that matter that's a weird
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thing to write the 118 000 is the strangest amount and very low for a ransom of an actual human child
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um there's also the like um when they say uh hold on let me see the when they say you stand a 99 chance of
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killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us why are you only putting it at 99 right like you've you've said if
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he tries to outsmart you this is gonna happen this is gonna happen this is gonna but now you're being like there's
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a one percent chance you could [ __ ] outsmart us it's like who's gonna give that up like these guys are being like
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we'll [ __ ] kill your daughter don't [ __ ] try to [ __ ] with us and then they're like but you have a one percent
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chance of [ __ ] outsmarting us I have never ever ever thought that this letter was real no I don't at all and then
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um people have pointed out that it begins with Mr Ramsey but then at the end it says don't try to grow a brain
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John right so suddenly we're on a first name business you started this out with Mr Ramsey one what about Mr why wouldn't
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you write Mr and Mrs Ramsay oh don't worry they wrote that in the practice note yeah they wrote Mr and Mrs Ramsey
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but this one's only to Mrs Mr Ramsey uh they also it's weird I saw people pointing out that it's weird that they
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said we respect your business because you don't you said we don't like your business and we don't like who you work
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with and also like again if you're you kidnapped his daughter for ransom and you're claiming you're gonna
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behead her right like and you're saying like we respect your business like why would you even let that out if you did
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like it's just a very strange none of it makes sense at all no [Music] according to crime data the average home
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found in the home written on Patsy's notepad weird this note came from a notepad Patsy's notepad that
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was in the home it was written by a pen that was on the counter so they didn't come in with paper in a pen they found
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one in the house which again if you're going in to kidnap a child like you would think quickly you would come
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prepared with a ransom note that's the thing you're not going to write the ransom note in the house
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during all the Mayhem no you would bring the ransom note with you right and you would not leave the pen behind that you
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used to write the ransom note yeah these are the these are the pieces of the puzzle that people
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Peter Piper picked a peck well I said a lot of Peace you did uh these are this is the piece of the puzzle that people
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do not understand yeah how you explain this part and I don't and the practice that's the thing and I would love to
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know if it was ever asked like where do you keep this pen or not this pen excuse
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me this pad of paper they did ask they it was sitting on the counter in like a little like the pen was in a little cup
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and it was like out there okay okay um but on another piece of paper in the pad detective Jeff kethart who was the
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handwriting expert for the Boulder Police later found a started and abandoned Ransom note that said and it
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said one of them said Mr and Mrs and then a line and it appeared that they'd started to
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write an R but had stopped it was like a line to begin an R sure so the first one
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says Mr and Mrs like not only did you come into this house without a ransom note and took the time to write this
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Ransom note there but you didn't even know who you were writing it to right like you actually at First were like I'm
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gonna write this to both of them then you're like um no I'm gonna write it to him why wouldn't you write it to both of
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them well that's the thing no because I think because it wouldn't fit the narrative that this was business yeah
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now John received a bonus of exactly a hundred and eighteen thousand dollars for that Christmas yeah which people
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have pointed to and I originally pointed to as there you go that's how would anybody know that but I will say the
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bank statement was out on the counter okay so someone could have seen the amount deposited and they could have
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used that as like and here's my thought process on that because I'm just trying to give all angles here just with facts
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they could these whatever Happened Here whoever did this there was no Ransom ever being this was never a kidnapping
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no in my opinion this was never this wasn't up kidnapping that went bad this was never a kidnapping they would
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have come into the house with a ransom note the end right so this was all supposed to be staged so
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they might have just looked at that 118 and were like all right use that number right like it's just like they didn't
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want that money they didn't think they were getting that money no they never called to get that money no there just
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was never that happening so if if this is an intruder then they could have looked known they had to do this quick
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and looked at that and said okay 118 000 just went into his bank account I'm gonna write that like that they could
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have just done that exactly or it can be someone closer that knew that that money was
00:28:36
there and that could have been like a business you know yeah but there's that wouldn't you also think though I I don't
00:28:44
know about the like it was the banks up on the table but wouldn't you think that
00:28:48
you would ask for more because you're like oh if he just deposited that much into his account then you must have more
00:28:52
probably has money and like you're looking around this beautiful home that's the thing the 118 is a very
00:28:57
strange even if you didn't see that on the table right but exactly but then it's like if this is like somebody who
00:29:05
hates this business and is like a business arrival maybe that's like a that's like a a pinpoint to be like like
00:29:11
I was supposed to we know what your Christmas bonus is okay that's what we want for your daughter but it's again
00:29:18
very strange because it's like for a human that is a very low Ransom it is and and for somebody who is wealthy
00:29:25
well and that's the thing like if you know him and you know him well you know that he's wealthy and why wouldn't you
00:29:30
shoot your shot to get more yeah that's the thing in my opinion no it's true it doesn't I it doesn't make a lot of sense
00:29:38
the other thing is this is a [ __ ] long note yeah religion notes are not long did you say
00:29:45
it took like 21 minutes to write it took 21 minutes to write this in the house that is crazy and it was two and a half
00:29:51
pages long yeah no like usually a ransom note is like a piece of paper the FBI literally said that this is an
00:29:57
unprecedented yeah Ransom they've never seen something like that before because yeah nothing and in 2015 former Boulder
00:30:07
Colorado police chief Mark Beckner said quote the FBI told us they'd never seen a 2.5 page Ransom note no note has ever
00:30:15
been written at the scene and then left at the scene with the dead victim at the
00:30:19
scene other than this case and wouldn't you also think that you would take the practice note with you
00:30:25
that's throw it in the trash even do something right and also if you are now trying to make this
00:30:33
like get the money like if you're really trying to like stage this you would take
00:30:38
her out of the house of course you would so that you could still pretend that she
00:30:43
was alive you wouldn't leave her in the house so that they find her and then the
00:30:49
ransom thing is over right unless your thought process is we don't actually want the money we just want to
00:30:56
hurt him and we want him to find his daughter yeah there's sides but to me it's strange but why would you go
00:31:02
through the whole entire business exactly like no and why would you even write the answer I just think it would
00:31:08
be like a completely if you were gonna sit down and write a letter and we all know that she was in the basement you I
00:31:14
think you would write a very different cruel letter like right like here are the steps to go is that yeah that's the
00:31:21
thing terrible you know and again like that's a long time to sit in someone's home in the middle
00:31:29
of the night right after killing their six-year-old daughter yeah and just taking 21 minutes to write a note and
00:31:36
presumably like holy [ __ ] into this presumably also stopping for a snack yeah or just like it's it's very strange
00:31:45
it's very strange and again 21 minutes like 20 what what Intruder does that no that's a lot of people have a lot of
00:31:54
that's the part that people are having trouble wrapping their brain around of course and I continue to have trouble
00:31:59
wrapping my brain around it some of the stuff you can sit there and go okay I can go to an intruder fairy with this
00:32:05
like I can go somewhere else with this but this I don't understand this no but like I mean strange things happen but
00:32:13
this is real strange so experts think the note writer intended to disguise their natural
00:32:19
handwriting they don't think that this was their their organic handwriting they were trying to disguise it a 1997 Vanity
00:32:27
Fair article spoke to quote an investigator closely involved with the testing of the ransom note and they said
00:32:34
that they analyzed 74 handwriting samples and Patricia Ramsey's handwriting was the only sample that
00:32:40
quote set off alarm bells oh so there's that in 2001 handwriting analysis um or excuse me analysts Larry Ziegler
00:32:50
and Gideon Epstein thought Patricia could be the writer of the note okay handwriting um and excuse me Colorado
00:32:57
Bureau of Investigation report said quote and this is the Colorado Bureau of Investigations or report said quote
00:33:04
there are indications that the author of The Ransom note is Patricia Ramsey so there's a lot of people looking at it
00:33:11
and saying that they believed that she might have written it but on the other hand handwriting analysis
00:33:18
can be a little funky iffy yeah and even in their reports like it's not definitive none of them are saying she
00:33:25
is absolutely 100 exactly but weird it if you look at her handwriting next to this handwriting it is pretty
00:33:34
it's pretty close and there's a lot of little little things quirks handwriting quirks that they look at that are the
00:33:43
same throughout I remember watching I think it was a few years ago I actually think it was right around the time that
00:33:48
you uncovered this case um I remember seeing the handwriting myself yeah and the comparison it's very
00:33:55
similar it is but then you have to it's that these are the things that you can look at both sides yes absolutely
00:34:01
because they're not definitive but they are slightly damning in some ways so it's like one of those things and again
00:34:07
like what that person wrote could set off alarm Bells yeah exactly so there's that that that is the thing and that is
00:34:14
the remained a thing that her handwriting is very similar it's the only one that made them really go hmm
00:34:19
did she ever say anything about that that you know of she'd always denied any of that and like you know would say the
00:34:25
same thing we're saying that like people's handwriting can look and if they were disguising their handwriting
00:34:31
then that's not my handwriting right so there's that and people do have similar handwriting oh for sure absolutely now
00:34:38
Patsy called 9-1-1 at 5 52 am after she got in we're going to get into the 911 call but after she called she
00:34:46
immediately called friends and family right after the note said specifically not to do any of that or your daughter
00:34:53
dies right and that we are watching you like monitoring I get that this may just
00:34:58
be Instinct that you need to call people because you're panicking yeah but if a note says your daughter is
00:35:04
going to be beheaded and we're watching you don't call anyone except 9-1-1 yeah like
00:35:11
get a police officer there I like you know what I mean like I understand that and that's that's the other thing about
00:35:17
this case is it's easy to look on the outside and say why did you do this but we don't know when
00:35:24
you're in the actual Panic of like your child being missing so you can go okay some of these things
00:35:31
can be a hysterical parent absolutely that just makes that decision other things questionable uh-huh for sure
00:35:37
now Kimberly Archuleta was the 911 operator that took the Ramsay phone call that morning she told Kimberly Archuleta
00:35:46
that she wasn't sure how long her daughter had been missing and was literally begging police to get there
00:35:51
it's a very harrowing 9-1-1 call you can listen to it she sounds absolutely terrified in the 911 call
00:35:58
um before you before she hangs up the phone you can hear her kind of like Mumble to herself like help me Jesus
00:36:04
help me yeah and she she never says jonbenet's name she never says her name is JonBenet Ramsey
00:36:11
um she also hung up the phone very abruptly didn't wait for instructions didn't wait
00:36:19
for them to say hang on the phone with me until the police get there she just down goes the phone which is
00:36:26
again definitely weird but yeah you're panicking you're trying to run around I don't know I don't even know if she woke
00:36:33
up at this point no this is one that I people can definitely look at different ways I don't understand that
00:36:40
yeah and you're you have kids obviously I can say your Lifeline would be 911 absolutely
00:36:46
and you would be like I would be on there until the police got there just to be like I don't want to lose you I don't
00:36:52
want them to get lost on the way here please keep telling me they're coming tell me that they're outside tell me
00:36:57
that they're here like that would be my thought I would think because I that would be like just your safe like
00:37:05
somebody needs to get here and help us yeah and if you hang up you've you've ended that lifeline and you just have to
00:37:11
wait to see when they show up and it's like I would want somebody being like they're around the corner they're on
00:37:16
your street they're pulling in your driveway they're coming up your walkway they're in your house like you know like
00:37:20
I want to hear everything they'll do that they will and usually they tell you stay on the line with me until they're
00:37:25
in your house exactly so Archuleta the operator actually told Dateline that she immediately thought
00:37:32
something wasn't right about the call she said that the end of the call was strange because again she ended the call
00:37:38
abruptly and she didn't say anything that indicated an end to the call and the phone didn't actually disconnect she
00:37:46
said like it just kind of went back on the Cradle but didn't actually disconnect
00:37:51
and because remember this is a landline this is back in the 90s oh I'm picturing
00:37:54
like my old kitchen yeah so she so Archuleta claims she heard not only John and Patricia speaking muffled right
00:38:02
after that she put down that phone but she heard a third voice that was a little more faint now this is strange
00:38:08
because they claim later that Burke who was the only other person in the house the nine-year-old was asleep during this
00:38:15
call he was not near them or awake at this time so people have listened to the audio of
00:38:21
this call lots of different experts and they hear various things in these muffled voices a little bit but it's all
00:38:27
pretty much the same there's not a lot of variation with what they hear they hear a couple of different things it's a
00:38:33
little when you listen to it with an untrained ear I think it's a little like EVPs where you can probably
00:38:40
hear what you want to hear if you try hard enough but mainly what they hear is a male voice who is thought to be John
00:38:47
Ramsey saying angrily we're not speaking to you and then they hear a female voice
00:38:54
thought to be Patsy say help me Jesus help me Jesus then they hear a young male child say well what did you find
00:39:02
yeah now also according to an article by Bella Brennan uh Kim the 911 Opera operator was quoted
00:39:13
as saying about Patsy quote if you hear the Frantic in her voice as she's speaking to me where she couldn't even
00:39:19
answer my questions it immediately stopped it sounded like she said okay we've called the police now what and
00:39:26
that Disturbed me yeah of course because she said basically that panic panic panic that foam went down she thought
00:39:32
she hung it up and then she turned and said we called the police now what yep so and she's so
00:39:38
um Kim said so I remained on the phone trying to listen to what was being said it sounded like there were two voices in
00:39:44
the room maybe three different ones I had a bad feeling about this to me it sounded rehearsed she said one of the
00:39:51
reasons why I even stayed on until they disconnected was because there were things being said that people needed to
00:39:56
know it was never addressed I think it really would have turned the case around probably now apparently later when
00:40:03
Archuleta got the news Kim that um JonBenet was found in her home brutally murdered because she went she left that
00:40:09
shift obviously not knowing how that ended and you said that I think we were talking about this before that was her
00:40:14
last call of her shift she said she was inconsolable when she found out she was murdered yeah and she kept telling her
00:40:21
boss and her family that something bothered her about that call and she told them they had to tell authorities
00:40:26
to listen to the end of the call because she was like now it was weighing on me like they found that child dead in her
00:40:31
home like I knew something was weird with that call they ended up sending the tape to
00:40:36
Aerospace technicians and they declared that there were three different voices at the end of that call those Aerospace
00:40:43
technicians and after Patsy had meant to hang up that's when they heard it apparently a ton of the technicians at
00:40:49
Aerospace all listen to The Call by themselves like independently all of them said they heard the exact same
00:40:56
conversation wow so and they had like they'd like take away background noise there and they like really clean the
00:41:03
audio a little bit so they called in the Boulder Police who sent detective Melissa Hickman to listen at Aerospace
00:41:10
she listened independently as well they put her they did not tell her what they heard they sent her into a room and said
00:41:15
listen to this tell us what you hear they had all heard the same conversation including detective Hickman I remember
00:41:23
listening to the 9-1-1 call again when that documentary came out and I heard the exact same thing yeah and now
00:41:29
when now that we have that conversation it's hard to hear anything else which can be a little
00:41:36
confirmation biasy but it sounds like it and the three distinct voices do sound is for sure because you
00:41:45
do hear the uh of a man you hear the Patsy literally like just like upsets and you hear a little child voice and
00:41:54
definitely like a male child and they all said the same thing we're not speaking to you help me Jesus help me
00:42:00
Jesus well what did you find in that what did you find just like I it just creeps me out and we'll get we're gonna
00:42:07
mention it again but when everybody shows up Burke is asleep and sleeps through all of it and people go into the
00:42:17
room and look and they see that he's just in his bed asleep he never woke up through the chaos in the house and so a
00:42:24
lot of people are like was he just told to lay there and pretend to be asleep through this whole thing yeah and was
00:42:30
that him on the tape and he was awake because they claimed he was he never woke up right they had to wake him up
00:42:36
yeah again that's a theory yeah but whatever so another interesting note is that
00:42:44
Patsy told Archuleta during the 9-1-1 call and you can hear it when you listen to the call that the note said she goes
00:42:51
it says sbtc Victory that's all she tells her about the note is that it says that but
00:42:58
she told police later I only read the first line of the note before I ran up to look for JonBenet and call John I
00:43:05
dropped the note back where it was and John said he moved the note away so how did she know that at the end of
00:43:13
the note it said sptc Victory right unless unless she happened to see that right or unless John said that in
00:43:21
passing and was like what the [ __ ] would that mean that could have been it they
00:43:24
could have had a conversation before the 911 call that she just didn't recall she
00:43:28
could have quickly seen the sbtc at the end that would be a little strange because
00:43:34
it's a two and a half page note and she said she only saw the first line so she would have had to flick through to the
00:43:39
end of the note just giving all angles here yeah but interestingly a 9-1-1 call came in three
00:43:46
days before this from the Ramsey household did you say this last time I don't I don't know if I did to be honest
00:43:52
I don't know if I remember this it was at 6 48 pm on December 23rd and the operator answered and no one said
00:44:00
anything then hung up the phone oh police were ditch batched to the home but no report was made okay a report
00:44:07
should always be made yeah I was like that was weird and that's just a strange little I know
00:44:13
that like I have friends I have a friend who literally snapchatted me the other day like oh it's 8 35 and like my kids
00:44:19
already called 9-1-1 oh yeah yep because I had friends who did that before and the police showed up yeah yeah kids do
00:44:26
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00:48:27
scene that morning like of the actual 9-1-1 call within three minutes of that call one was Officer Rick French
00:48:35
now according to foreign faction by James colar which is a really great book about this case
00:48:41
so the police officers on scene noted that and again this is three minutes after the 911 call so this is like
00:48:49
barely six o'clock yeah yeah according to the book the police officer said that John Ramsey was
00:48:55
wearing a pinstripe button up in khakis and Patsy was wearing black slacks a red
00:49:01
sweater and her hair and makeup were done oh I know everyone handles things differently but I could not get dressed
00:49:09
or do makeup when my six-year-old was supposedly kidnapped from her bedroom no the makeup is that's
00:49:14
and and she's did she say previously that like when she had woken up she put makeup on she didn't say that I heard
00:49:21
that she woke up she brushed her teeth maybe she just didn't say that she did her full routine before walking down the
00:49:29
street okay and that is a possibility some people are early risers and they get everything done before they even
00:49:35
walk down the stairs yeah and like we don't know how much makeup she was wearing yeah
00:49:40
just to you know yeah the whole point of this is to give both sides and let you guys decide for yourselves so wait what
00:49:48
your theory is because again we don't know we don't have a definitive answer here
00:49:53
um but it's strange definitely definitely a strange strange look for everybody to be
00:49:59
fully done up but you know like I just have to say it rich people are weird rich people are weird
00:50:06
like Appearances first so maybe that it was like a respect thing and then she's a pageant gal and they're Southern too
00:50:13
so it may have very much been a respect thing like these people are coming into our home we need to be dressed well and
00:50:18
maybe that it wasn't even for the police maybe this is just she's a pageant gal she gets up early she gets she gets her
00:50:26
full [ __ ] done and she doesn't walk down the stairs before she looks a plus and
00:50:29
we don't know John may have been getting dressed as passy ran in and told him what was happening yeah and you've just
00:50:35
maybe finished getting dressed maybe he was in the middle of getting dressed we have no idea we don't know
00:50:40
and both sides are are valid arguments but if if if not if we did know and like they did get dressed up that's weird I
00:50:49
agree that's [ __ ] yeah that's weird so there's that uh but and so and they noted that that was that was strange
00:50:56
absolutely that was strange to the police officers yeah now Patsy told Rick French that she had gone to jonbenet's
00:51:04
bedroom and saw that she was not in it as soon as she woke up which is not what she had already and then she said she
00:51:10
had gone downstairs and found the ransom note that's not what she said and we're going to get back to that in a
00:51:16
second now Sergeant Paul Reichenbach showed up and or um ordered that no one used the police frequency just in case
00:51:23
the kidnappers were listening on scanners okay so they were like we don't want to alert them that we are here
00:51:29
because that is part of the whole thing so no one use frequencies to talk about this uh they just didn't want to risk
00:51:35
John Benny's safety because at this point this is a kidnapping so they searched around the home but they didn't
00:51:40
find anything suspicious or any signs of forced entry anywhere officer and everybody claimed
00:51:47
we locked all the doors everything was locked and Jean Ramsey said that we locked everything it was all locked last
00:51:54
night yeah nothing was unlocked when they came in so Officer Rick French went into the basement and he went through he
00:52:03
came across the second door down there that ended up leading into a little wine cellar and it had a wooden latch that
00:52:09
locked it and he said he stopped in front of the door but never opened it uh-huh instead he went back upstairs
00:52:16
was behind that door the entire time why didn't he go into that door the worlds may never [ __ ] know yeah I don't
00:52:23
understand that well you are searching the whole entire home there's a missing child but then he came out later and
00:52:30
said well this was a kidnapping we were we didn't think she was in the home and it's like but
00:52:36
the problem is you're going in with preconceived ideas like you're supposed to let the scene speak to you not you
00:52:43
speak for the scene right in a in a forensic team arrived and we're starting to like do the sweep and at this time
00:52:50
again everyone was assuming she was abducted and removed from the home so they only cordoned off her bedroom right
00:52:57
which would have been where she would have been stolen from obviously I understand again the initial logic of
00:53:03
this thinking that she was obviously taken from her bedroom right but stop assuming [ __ ] at the crime scene let it
00:53:09
tell you what's happening and sure she's taken from her bedroom but we don't know
00:53:12
that that's where the note was written and my assumption I would assume it was written either like at the kitchen table
00:53:18
or in the living room at the coffee table like you know this is what doesn't make sense to me exactly that so you're
00:53:24
assuming she was taking from her bedroom sure absolutely the person had to walk through the house
00:53:30
which means there's tons of evidence that can be taken exactly had to stand in that kitchen and write that note had
00:53:35
to walk over to the staircase and put them there and then walk somewhere else to get out and you don't know how they
00:53:42
got out because there's no signs of forced entry or exit so you should be treating this entire house as a crime
00:53:48
scene because you have no [ __ ] clue how they got in or how they got that kid out right why the [ __ ] would you only be
00:53:55
looking at that bedroom right you should be getting these people out of that [ __ ] house and you should be
00:54:00
cordoning off this entire Place wake that nine-year-old up get him out of his [ __ ] bedroom get out of the house it
00:54:08
doesn't make any sense to me this thought and they're like well you know it no that doesn't make any sense that's
00:54:13
botched as [ __ ] now this was the only murder in Boulder during this year oh wow so they were
00:54:22
very unequipped it's not like they were very used to handling this but at the same time that is crazy use all your
00:54:29
skills that this was the only murder in Boulder yes wild in this like area at that time so they were yeah they were
00:54:36
very unequipped yeah but in a 2015 um they in 2015 they spoke with um the same uh cop that they talked to before
00:54:46
in 2015 Beckner he said quote as for the police department in general I wish we would have done a better job of securing
00:54:53
and controlling the crime scene on on day one we also should have separated John and Patsy and gotten full
00:54:58
statements from them that day that's like protocol that's what's always done it would be five months before they
00:55:07
interviewed the Ramses after that day that's crazy like they didn't separate them I've had experiences where like the
00:55:14
police have had to come to my home when I was younger and every single experience that I ever had with police
00:55:19
everybody in my home was separated and it wasn't even about a kidnapping no like that's just what you do every
00:55:27
single time that's ever happened every person in the home is spoken to separately why would you not just pull
00:55:31
the parents apart there's two officers there Lisa at this point right pull them apart and say what happened right what
00:55:37
happened this morning and just take their quick statements of course but no they sat in front of both of them and
00:55:43
were like okay what happened yeah like no and they've had very different experiences exactly that's the thing now
00:55:50
the rest of the house was just Open Season no evidence protection no nothing for the rest of the house people just
00:55:57
freely walking in and around bringing things in and out in fact the Ramses best friends the whites and the fernies
00:56:03
showed up because they called them their Minister and other family members showed up in
00:56:10
fact Priscilla white was started cleaning the [ __ ] kitchen which is beyond my [ __ ] comprehension
00:56:17
of course if I walked into my friend's home whose daughter had been kidnapped that morning I wouldn't be touching [ __ ]
00:56:26
in that house I'd be like holy [ __ ] I would just be focusing on her and also I'd be too scared that I'd be [ __ ]
00:56:33
something up this is an act of crime scene no matter what there's police around here why the [ __ ] are you
00:56:39
cleaning the kitchen yeah that's weird that's crazy to me like that's crazy behavior what are you
00:56:46
doing yeah what the hell I'm trying to come up with something in my head just to like
00:56:51
oh the other side that's just me that's just beyond my comprehension that is just not a move I would make coming into
00:56:56
a friend's house that's a crime scene right now but like that's just me and what is wild to me even more wild to me
00:57:03
is that when Patsy called the whites and the fernies right after the 911 call she
00:57:08
didn't tell them JonBenet had been kidnapped she just said I have an emergency you need to come here
00:57:13
what so they showed up and she was like jonbenet's missing and they were like what the [ __ ] like they were like that's
00:57:20
the emergency like you just need us to look like why didn't you tell them that why would you just have them walk into
00:57:26
that that's in the wild no yeah I don't there's no reason all I was gonna say was like did she think the phone was
00:57:33
tapped but she called 9-1-1 so now she already called that's bizarre so wild now bar um so Barb uh Barb
00:57:40
Fernie one of the family friends called to the home talked to Patsy and she asked her what happened when she found
00:57:46
the ransom note yeah and Patsy told her that she quote just handed the note to John first
00:57:52
okay but later Patsy would tell police that she had screamed for Jon when she found the note John was asleep on the
00:57:59
third floor he claimed so he wasn't getting dressed when the note was found um when she would have screamed and he
00:58:06
claimed he heard her but somehow Burke who was down the hall from her when she screamed slept through all of this
00:58:13
didn't hear any of it like and we've said before like oh kids will sleep through anything because like you know
00:58:17
it's not their problem yeah if your mom is screaming you're gonna wake up you're
00:58:21
probably gonna hear it and it's in the morning it's not like this is the middle of the night this is the morning Barb
00:58:26
Fernie was like why the [ __ ] is this kid still asleep like what's going on it's
00:58:32
Mayhem in here no one's checking on him I also and this is just me and this is an opinion but I would want my child
00:58:40
right next to me exactly right [ __ ] next to me if my other child was missing that I would be clinging on to that boy
00:58:47
for dear life thank you that is part of something I don't understand is that's exactly how I would feel I
00:58:56
would be you don't know what happened there could be somebody in the home still that's the thing someone came into
00:59:02
your home unbeknownst to you while you slept and stole one of your children out of their bedrooms right there is no
00:59:10
[ __ ] way my kid would be in their bedroom by themselves no how the [ __ ] do you know that that window isn't how
00:59:17
they're gonna get in how do you know they're not hiding in his closet right now that was under his bed that my exact
00:59:22
thought was could be hiding in his closet I would be literally clinging like headlocking my child to me like
00:59:29
they would be nobody would be taking that kid away from you know so the fact that everything's going on and they
00:59:35
don't even know what the [ __ ] is happening with Burke in his bedroom no that's bizarre it's just a bizarre thing
00:59:42
it really like no one seemed concerned that the kidnapper was still in the house or how they got into the house and
00:59:49
could they get back in right like how do you know that kid's safe like that's just so weird
00:59:55
I don't understand that but again remember they were supposed to make arrangements to get the money to
01:00:01
pay the ransom the kidnapper was going to call between eight and ten yes it was a window
01:00:07
so 8 A.M detective Linda arnt arrived at the scene Patsy told detective aren't that she had gone downstairs found the
01:00:13
ransom note and then ran upstairs and found JonBenet missing this is again not the order that she has given it has
01:00:20
flip-flopped many many times so they were ready to and again that is something that can be I'm hysterical I
01:00:27
don't remember what happened yep but not the same so they were ready to do the ransom exchange at the time given
01:00:34
by the note so they're sitting there they have the the phones are ready they're tapped they have like the whole
01:00:39
thing set up in like a Solarium like a little sunroom yeah they're ready for this call eight to ten they gotta sit
01:00:45
there they want to make sure that it's tapped so they can trace it all that eight eight o'clock comes around nothing
01:00:52
happening by 10 the deadline had passed for the money to be transferred the random The Ransom note writer never
01:01:00
called and detective aren't said that literally no one in the family noticed that the deadline came and went no one
01:01:07
asked about it oh that would be my first question I would be panicking that they hadn't called yet
01:01:13
and I would also think have they not called because I called the police and now my child has been beheaded but no
01:01:20
one even noticed that it was 10 am like they were not even that is your I don't even know what the word is like
01:01:28
that is like that is the biggest thing on the docket right now oh that's priority number one is that time frame
01:01:33
and if that passes then it should be like Defcon one full-blown holy [ __ ] what the [ __ ] is going like what do we
01:01:40
do now I would be hysterical yeah because what do you do now to be hysterical because what you would assume
01:01:44
that they didn't you would 100 assume had you read that note if they didn't call they know all these people are at
01:01:51
the house I'm clear and they killed my daughter mostly watch and they killed my daughter that's what I would think now
01:01:56
James Ram or James John Ramsey also left the room that had the tapped phone in it
01:02:02
three different times and when it rang for something unrelated during the time frame like someone else called he had to
01:02:10
run back in the room to answer it and the police the detectives there were like why would he leave the room because
01:02:15
if they called why would you have to want to run from another room and possibly miss the call
01:02:20
like wouldn't you just be locked to that being just waiting for it so you could grab it immediately I would yes the only
01:02:27
thing I could potentially look at differently is maybe he could not handle the pressure of sitting there looking at
01:02:32
that telephone waiting and knew that he'd run back in and get the call and that is something I can understand too
01:02:37
like that it's too much and they did say that he was like totally just panic-stricken like he was
01:02:46
pacing around he couldn't sit still he was like yeah very he wasn't just sitting there like so I think that is
01:02:51
probably so that could absolutely be part of it um now officer officer French made a
01:02:58
sweep through the house Fleet White made his first like he made a sweep through the house he didn't find anything Fleet
01:03:04
white went down to the basement for the first time they're just allowing people to walk into this house I just want to
01:03:12
point that out they're just like yeah sure go down to the basement and he said later Fleet white said he quote observed
01:03:18
the window to be closed but unlatched and left it in that condition so there was an unlatched window down in
01:03:25
the basement and it was the middle window like it was a there was like these three Windows
01:03:30
like a basement window you know what I mean that has like a great and everything that is from the floor now
01:03:36
according to foreign faction Fleet white is the only one who while walking around
01:03:41
searching because people were searching for her including John Ramsey yeah he's the only one who called out
01:03:48
jonbenet's name while searching for her no one else did yeah and he was and he was like that because
01:03:58
I guess his daughter Fleet white he had a daughter around jonbenetian age yeah and he said like a couple of years
01:04:05
before that or some months or something like that they actually had to call 9-1-1 because they couldn't find their
01:04:10
daughter and it was she had him she was hidden and she was like hiding she was like playing hide and seek so he said
01:04:16
that was on his mind right so he was calling for her being like hopefully she'll just come out yeah because he was
01:04:22
like JonBenet you're scaring everybody please come out like right you know we're here like we just want to see you
01:04:27
but no one else was calling her name and that's bizarre because we've had that experience before where like one of your
01:04:32
kids will run in the house yeah and play hide and seek [ __ ] and we're screaming
01:04:36
their name like fully panicked yeah and he said when he went down to the basement and he saw that like unlatched
01:04:41
window and he said he didn't touch it but he said he saw The Wine Cellar Door with the wooden latch on it and he said
01:04:48
he opened that and he said he looked in but he was Pitch Black and so he said he was
01:04:53
looking for a light and he said he actually stepped into the wine cellar and was like feeling around and he said
01:05:00
I looked through the darkness and I didn't see anything I couldn't see a form I couldn't see anything and I was
01:05:07
like squinting trying to find a light and he's like but I didn't want to go too far in there I didn't know where a
01:05:12
light was yeah so he's like so I just I just left because I didn't see anything that's so haunting when you know that
01:05:18
she's right there oh that's no John Ramsey gave uh at this point the police had John and Patsy give handwriting
01:05:27
samples right away because they wanted to pass them off and uh detective Jeff kisshart who was the handwriting in
01:05:35
fraud expert he was the one who said later like this is a little strange alarm Bells
01:05:40
um he's he was the one that found the practice at this point he found the practice Ransom note and he said whoever
01:05:47
had written The Ransom note clearly had started it a few times in that notebook which is very strange now 10 AM came
01:05:54
again the call didn't come so John went down to the basement again why is this happening why are we
01:06:02
allowing people to just keep searching like civilians why are we allowing this without a police officer with him he's
01:06:08
now the third person to go in the basement why is everybody continuously going to the basement yeah and while he
01:06:14
was down there he found he's he mentioned that there was a broken window and it was open and just under it was a
01:06:21
suitcase that had been set up but he later said that he actually broke that window accidentally because he got
01:06:27
locked out oh okay like a few weeks prior and they just hadn't gotten it fixed always get those fixed yeah
01:06:32
because that's like a big deal it's a big security issue now he closed the window when he went down there and just
01:06:39
went back upstairs you would go upstairs and say by the way that window was open
01:06:45
I just realized that is potentially how this person got into my home but then later in a crime scene video you can see
01:06:51
that the middle window down there is open again and this is after John Ramsey said he latched it closed
01:06:57
it's just it's so strange inconsistency that's weird with all of it now at some point during the day Fleet white drove
01:07:05
Burke to his home they woke Burke up drove back to um fleet's home to stay with his family during the chaos they
01:07:12
wanted to get him out of the scene because they were like who knows what's going to happen here you need to get out
01:07:17
of here yeah so around 1pm detective aren't asked John Ramsey and Fleet white who had come back at this point
01:07:24
um to search the house for anything that seemed to miss okay at first I was like what why are you
01:07:31
asking two civilian men to search the house like why are you asking them to you're a detective yeah what is going on
01:07:38
I did read that they said it was just an attempt to try to give John Ramsey something to do because he seemed like
01:07:44
he was losing it okay like he was frantically pacing around and she was like I needed him to have something to
01:07:49
focus on okay because he was losing it I don't think that's a great I I think that was probably a
01:07:59
regrettable decision on their part um also she told him in white to search the house from quote top to bottom and
01:08:06
he went straight for the basement okay could be preference could be that he was like I'm going to start at the bottom
01:08:13
and end at the top yeah you're already on the top you're already in the middle floor so you might as well just go to
01:08:18
the top and end at the bottom I would think but that's me yeah you know so they started in the basement to work
01:08:24
their way up and this was both of their second trips down to the basement at this point
01:08:30
now again the first trips where they went solo yep when they went down together fleets saw the broken part of
01:08:37
the window and he was like oh I didn't notice that the first time like there's a broken window and Ramsay was like oh I
01:08:44
was locked out I broke it and he was like yeah you should tell people like that's how somebody could have gotten
01:08:49
pretty like what the [ __ ] and he was like oh yeah it's fine and he said now this is weird too because later I guess
01:08:57
police said it was not clear from either of the men's later interviews with the authorities whether they had opened the
01:09:03
middle window so it's weird that it was let in the crime scene photo it's open yeah neither one of them would say that
01:09:09
they opened it and why would you open it it's just really weird John opened that
01:09:14
wooden latch door to The Wine Cellar John Ramsey this is when he found his daughter Jean Benet was lying on the
01:09:21
ground with a white blanket over her torso her hands her arms were over her head this is really rough by the way
01:09:27
guys yeah um there was a nylon cord around them her wrists and her neck there was duct
01:09:33
tape over her mouth she was wearing the long white T-shirt with a silver sequin star on it and a long white Long John
01:09:39
style leggings the cord around her neck was pulled incredibly tight to the point
01:09:44
that Jon couldn't even initially see it around her neck oh wow it was so like indented it was pulled with a garat made
01:09:51
from a broken paintbrush handle later found to be taken from Patsy's paint kit which was outside of The Wine Cellar
01:09:57
doorway the other part of the broken brush was found in the room as well on the floor
01:10:02
now Fleet white because John had turned on the light so Fleet now saw what was in front of him he took off running
01:10:10
upstairs yelling for someone to call an ambulance yeah John Ramsey immediately pulled the tape
01:10:16
off of jonbenet's mouth and untied some of the cords on her wrist I get this I absolutely 100 no one should fall them
01:10:24
for that no that's not no question in my mind I would pull the two you wouldn't be thinking of forensics in that moment
01:10:31
no you would think oh my god get this off my I need to get this [ __ ] off my baby like these cords around her wrists
01:10:37
and this thing like yeah I get it now Fleet white later said he searched that room before this he mentioned to them
01:10:44
he's like I actually looked there and he said that he swore that John yelled oh my God before turning on the light
01:10:54
now John Ramsey told police later that you could clearly see the blanket the white blanket even without a light he
01:11:00
saw the form of the blanket and that's why he yelled oh my God and he knows his home a little bit better I will say look
01:11:07
at that I get that a little bit now Fleet white his best friend said no he said I stepped into that room a bit
01:11:18
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01:13:04
room to see if they could see none of them could see the blanket in the dark okay so there's that yeah
01:13:12
John Ramsey picked JonBenet up and ran with her screaming up the stairs now Priscilla white was with Patsy in the
01:13:19
sun room when this occurred she heard John and left the room to see what happened but Patsy didn't follow her
01:13:25
oh so Fleet White has run up the stairs yelling we need an ambulance wouldn't that startle you yup because
01:13:37
you're wondering have they found JonBenet or did something happen to John did he have a heart attack down there
01:13:42
you needed an ambulance because he's having a heart attack like I would be like she didn't move
01:13:48
yeah so once John had come upstairs he placed JonBenet down on the ground in the hallway and kept saying according to
01:13:55
everybody around them he kept saying over and over my angel which like breaks my heart of course and then strangely
01:14:02
detective aren't picked JonBenet up and moved her again placing her at the bottom of the Christmas tree
01:14:09
the detective that's very bizarre why why did any of this happen I do not know once she was moved there a blanket was
01:14:17
placed on top of her and also a Colorado Avalanche sweatshirt was placed over where her feet were to cover them like
01:14:25
like family members were doing that this is so bad for a crime scene like this has been so [ __ ] contaminated
01:14:32
you should have just left her where John had put her right I know it's hard I know you're
01:14:37
you gotta leave what's happening here so that they can collect what they can Patsy was brought in to the room unable
01:14:45
to walk herself they were holding her up and she threw herself on top of JonBenet and just
01:14:51
sobbed okay and she was screaming like um Lazarus erased whatever and like please raise my baby
01:15:00
from the dead like screaming and her like the minister was there obviously and they're very religious so it makes
01:15:06
sense but she was like inconsolable now according to the foreign faction book father hulver stack the the pastor
01:15:15
um sorry is there a difference between the pastor and the minister I I'm sorry I'm probably using those things
01:15:20
interchangeably and I apologize he's called a pastor in some things and a minister and others okay I'm not sure
01:15:27
what the difference is and again I apologize I didn't know if they were like two
01:15:31
separate but it is one person okay I'll just tell you that it's one person father holverstock
01:15:37
um he remembered John Ramsey saying something like quote I don't think he meant to kill her because she wrapped
01:15:44
she's wrapped in a blanket or that quote she was warm she was wrapped in a blanket uh-huh
01:15:51
so I don't know if like he mentioned he just mentioned that to police that he heard that why would you say I don't
01:15:57
think he meant to kill her when you were left that Ransom note he she has duct tape over her mouth and cord on her
01:16:04
wrists that you pulled off right why are you giving them anything any kind of Humanity at all I would never be like
01:16:13
these people didn't mean to kill her I believe these people are [ __ ] monsters and I'm gonna hunt them down
01:16:17
myself well in the note said that they had every intention of killing it exactly not follow their rules
01:16:23
so Fleet white then went back downstairs to The Wine Cellar again that's a crime scene he was she was just
01:16:31
found the crimiest of all crimes that's the place that we are looking at right now
01:16:37
right he went back down by himself where she was found he collected the duct tape
01:16:44
cord and blanket there is a crime scene photo after this point that shows the middle window
01:16:49
downstairs wide open at this point he took all those things back upstairs and brought it to the police right why
01:16:57
is he collecting crime scene evidence everybody what's happening well and I wouldn't want to like I think fleet was
01:17:04
just trying to be helpful but me personally I wouldn't want to touch that [ __ ] me I would never tell you that
01:17:09
should be on that I I would never touch that [ __ ] that would definitely not be again we have
01:17:15
knowledge that like tells us not to yeah and it's like but I don't know and I'm more fault the the detectives are
01:17:23
allowing this to happen you know it's very strange now the window is also a strange thing there's no sign of
01:17:30
disturbance on the window pane there was dust dirt and even cobwebs like spider webs that have remained undisturbed yeah
01:17:38
like if someone had slid into that window from the outside they didn't even touch anything on the windowsill with
01:17:44
any part of their body or clothing impossible and even outside the window there was no evidence someone had stood
01:17:49
there or walked up to it no it appeared like it had been open from the inside and no one had actually gone through it
01:17:56
oh so that's strange they searched the basement they found the paintbrush brush garage they also found the broken window
01:18:03
in the suitcase on the ground there were some markings around the window like scuff marks but again no disturbances on
01:18:10
the windowsill itself and is that where John just had that in and that's what they assumed that those were just from
01:18:16
him and the reason there was no disturbance on the windowsill was it was weeks earlier that he had done that so
01:18:21
dust had collected right and that cobweb had formed now at um around 1 30 p.m detective
01:18:29
um aren't or no excuse me one of the detectives I believe it was um detective French actually her John Ramsey on the
01:18:36
phone this is after JonBenet has been brought upstairs everything has been found
01:18:41
he's on the phone heard by detectives booking a plane trip to Atlanta for him Patsy and Burke
01:18:48
the detective then informed him you cannot leave you can't leave anything and he said I have a meeting that I
01:18:56
can't miss and they were like you're You're Gonna Be Your six-year-old was murdered in your [ __ ] house you
01:19:06
can't leave and it's weird that I have to tell you that yeah it's weird that you think you
01:19:11
would even be capable of taking that meaning that is the excuse of all excuses to call out of work like yup
01:19:19
that's beyond like that I understand that like some people go into like just I gotta uh I got a truck yeah like
01:19:27
autopilot that that's not you're booking a private plane out of here as soon as your kid was found
01:19:35
the [ __ ] like what are you doing that's weird like that's weird no matter how you how you slice it that's weird so
01:19:43
Patsy and John provided hair and blood samples at right away um and they along with Burke were spoken
01:19:50
to briefly by police after this um but the medical examiner John Meyer didn't get there until 8 pm
01:19:59
wow I don't know okay his report states that he found her in the living room with a blanket and that sweatshirt on
01:20:06
top of her the autopsy was performed the next morning the time of death was stated between to be between 10 and 10
01:20:13
p.m the night before and 6 a.m that morning now it's believed this is probably closer to the 10 pm hour because
01:20:21
decomposition had begun oh wow um several injuries could have caused death strangulation in the skull
01:20:27
fracture killed JonBenet the official cause of death was listed as asphyxia by strangulation associated with cranos
01:20:34
cerebral trauma now there wasn't conclusive evidence of a rape but there was questions related
01:20:42
to whether she had been sexually assaulted in some way that's horrific blood was found in her underwear that
01:20:47
she was wearing like just tiny little like pinpoints of it but still weird closer inspection revealed that JonBenet
01:20:57
had marks on her back and neck that looked like they could have possibly been made with the prongs of a stun gun
01:21:02
what yeah now it was noted several times that the cords around her wrist were very Loosely tied
01:21:10
um in fact they didn't even make marks on her skin that's how loose they were the cord around her neck though was so
01:21:16
deep that it had made a very brutal indent in her skin there was notable particular hemorrhages in her eyes
01:21:22
showing that she was in fact alive when she was crowded that's horrible but the hope is that she was unconscious from
01:21:28
the Blow To The Head yeah now a bruise on the front of her throat was also really strange it's slightly
01:21:35
triangular and the size is about a quarter and there's all these sources that say
01:21:42
that they believe it's um that like analysts have said that they believe it was like her shirt was caught up in the
01:21:47
garage and it pressed into it had like nodded okay and pressed into her skin and just caused that okay sure I could
01:21:55
see that like we'll say but it wasn't caught in it when they found it so that was interesting
01:22:00
now they also found according to the official report and this really broke my heart a red ink draw line drawing in the
01:22:07
form of a heart located on the palm of her left hand like a little kid just drawing yeah
01:22:13
what they discovered through this autopsy was that she had been and this is rough just trigger warning sexual
01:22:19
assault she had likely been sexually assaulted with a paintbrush handle at the time or
01:22:25
after death they also found evidence that she could have possibly been sexually assaulted
01:22:32
more times before that night I remember the doctor had made like weeks or months
01:22:37
before there were several experts and Physicians who all conclusively agreed on this fact that's so sad her
01:22:43
pediatrician says she they never found anything amiss and that she had visited like 30 something times in the past like
01:22:52
three years or something like that and that they never questioned or were worried about that but who knows well
01:23:00
yeah yeah no the chords were very interesting for other reasons too the chord that was wrapped around the
01:23:07
homemade garat and then around her neck was from a new roll of cord it was White
01:23:13
Court they knew this because you know how new cord or rope will have like a melted end yeah almost like there's like
01:23:19
glue on the end or something like an anglet like it's a very like Smooth end yeah
01:23:24
that's what was on the garage but the rest of the chords on her wrist were frayed and clearly cut like roughly
01:23:33
cut so this led them to believe that the garage was made first and then the cords
01:23:38
were tied around her wrist which would make it staged because what it would also explain why those were so
01:23:45
loose because there was no reason for them to be tight right and we believe she's unconscious anyway exactly so so
01:23:51
it doesn't really that that's all staged now there was mucus that had come from jonbenet's nose that will happen during
01:24:00
strangulation and down her face and lips like it had gone down this happens during death especially strangulation in
01:24:07
a blunt force trauma to the Head they noted that the outlines of the duct tape were on top of the music mucus Trail
01:24:15
meaning the duct tape was placed on her mouth when she was at the very least unconscious but more likely when she was
01:24:22
dead okay because the mucus was under the tape right so that had already happened
01:24:26
right like she'd already been strangled there was also an imprint according to foreign faction that was very clear on
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the sticky side of the tape and the imprint was jonbenet's lips but they were perfect it wasn't smeared it wasn't she
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wasn't yelling nope dead lips that's what that was this is like really which which says staged
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there's no reason for that to be on there but there was DNA evidence found in her underwear
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and on her waistband and it did not match any of the Ramses okay so there's that
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we're going to talk about that more in part two but at this time after the autopsy the Ramses went to Georgia and
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refused to speak to the police they did go to Georgia it was after all the autopsy was done and everything and
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they were allowed to they went to Georgia just to get away from I think the house which again
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parts of that you can understand I want to get the hell out of here but then they hired a huge team of lawyers again
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we all say like when anybody's get a lawyer because that's the first thing you should do but then they hired a PR
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firm okay um again Boulder police chief Tom Coby told the public at this point that there was no threat to them no
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threat to the public and that this was an isolated incident what so there's no kidnapper how do you
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know what you're telling me how what says that what are you talking about a kid was
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just murdered in her house and we don't know who did it and everybody in the neighborhood was like we're [ __ ]
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terrified of course like we were terrified like somebody had broken into their house and killed their kid in the
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middle of the night and then you were telling us there's no threat what does that mean you got to
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explain that man now we are going to end part one here I'm sure people are like what about the
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pineapple don't worry we're going to talk about the pineapple in part two okay we're going to talk about the
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pineapple which I'm sure some of you might know about some of you are probably like what the [ __ ] are you
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talking about the pineapple it's a big deal it's huge um we're gonna talk about the flashlight we're going to talk about
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the suspects and we're going to talk about the theories all right in part two but that is part one of JonBenet Ramsey
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hopefully this time around it's a more I I wanted to make it a more cohesive and
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easy to follow narrative than before I thought I jumped around too much last time
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and um we're also not underwater this time so yay you can probably hear it better no that was great uh well it was
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it was horrific but it was um you could follow it I think you yeah I don't want to say I think you did a much better job
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because I thought you did great last time thank you I think it was definitely I think you've growth thank you I think
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you've growth I think you've groweth um but yeah this is a rough one part two we're really gonna get into the
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nitty-gritty of all the theories and suspects that had that pineapple thing is a real interesting bone of contention
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for a lot of people as is the flashlight so yep but what we're not gonna do is get sued nope by smerp schmanzy so I'm
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not gonna say anything nope and with that being said we hope to keep listening and we hope you keep it
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weird just don't keep it that weird [Music] foreign [Music]