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[Music] thank you [Music] uh I thought we were I thought we were doing a thing there I'm sorry it's okay
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it's okay I'm so I'm so friend I'm sorry mate I hope you're happy because I told mum I hope
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you're happy Rachel I'm telling you if you haven't seen that video just type in like Rachel stole my
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iPad Ash loves it a lot I do okay it's old I've loved it for a long time uh my friend Marissa just like randomly was
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like watch this video I hope you're happy I hope you're happy so I hope you're happy I hope you're happy I hope
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you're happy because I've made you an episode I have made you in it and you know what I feel like it's it's been
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feeling good lately I feel like I just said well everything I feel like we've just entered into we've come out of that
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we were in like kind of a little like yeah it's like just a murky Merck a little bit it's like we came out like on
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top of it we came out on top like we you know like like winners it's like that song where it's like coming in
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you know that's exactly like that I don't actually I don't think I've ever gone I'm not doing a good I don't think I've
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gotten that one that's shocking it's always funny when I see like like I think my Tick Tock is like the only Tick
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Tock so when I when things trickle in from other people's that I'm like I don't know what that is I'm like what
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there's a whole world of tick tock I don't know about oh absolutely there's there's there's galaxies of tick tock
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that yeah galaxy galaxies oh and I have another Tick Tock recommendation because uh girl
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girl you're just like blowing up tick-tockers left right center I hope that becomes my legacy I hope that is
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what you can I think it already is I I hope it is because it's really fun and these people deserve it and they're
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wonderful creators hold on I'm gonna bring this up because you're gonna see me hanging in the Hall
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of Fame thanks for walking me into that one all right so this one that I want you to follow guys is called spooky New
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England oh that's so go find it she is awesome her name's Amanda and she is like really into the Lizzie Borden case
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um she's definitely a Lizzy is innocent and she will make you believe it look into that case and the older I get
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makes you question I I don't stand firmly on one side or the other but I do think I might be teetering it she gives
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you a lot to think about and she also does a ton of paranormal investigations and all these cool really spooky places
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love that she's really like she's just cool like when you watch her you're just like I want to hang out with you you're
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just uh cool in fact I think I've written on some of her things like can we just like hang out and do spooky
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things together and she said yes and I said yes and then I didn't make it happen but I want to make it happen you
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do know how I feel about you making friends so so don't do that all right I'll stop I
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don't like it I don't like it when my friends make friends with other people that aren't me it's a very healthy treat
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healthy and it's normal and it's not anything that you should well you need to come too we'll all be together spooky
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New England and that's her like at spooky New England thinking afterthought she's a really good Fallout she's a good
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follower because I think you guys I just saw that my girl horror Chronicles she got like she heard her shout out and was
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really excited it made me feel happy and I think she got some follows from it so
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it made me like feel like hell yeah you get like the creepy side of tick tock I yeah like tarot card readers and
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Whimsical [ __ ] I love that and just pure debauchery just pure debauchery over here is oh I
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really did think it was debauchery a comment the other day by accident but it made me laugh it was a mean comment but
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it made me laugh I don't know I was like why can't Ash pronounce anything right and you know what I don't know
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I wish I could tell you friend you know what what I don't know that's the best response to that ever I just I don't
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know what my guy I don't [ __ ] know I'm like can you pronounce everything I don't [ __ ] know I don't know no but
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you know what I hope you're happy I hope you're happy I hope you're happy because
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I've I've told Mom I've told mum anyways all right so let's get into this debauchery let's get into this debacery
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over here so we're gonna be talking about a case today that is going to be split into two parts because it is a
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pretty big case a lot happening a lot of moving Parts you guys will most likely know or at least have heard of this case
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it is the Burger Chef murders in Indiana oh yep I have her it is really sad really sad I mean it's still unsolved
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right yeah oh yeah see I know like the the basics of this case but I actually don't think I've ever
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um like watched a show or a documentary or listened to a podcast that explored the whole thing in depth and to like see
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some of the updates or or anything like that yeah yeah so I'm excited well excited it's not the right word but
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you're excited to hear more about it yeah I feel you yeah this is this is a really sad one it's a really senseless
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one and it's still I think the thing that bothers everyone the most is like no one can understand why
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like they're of course they're as we'll see there's like robbery involved and all that but
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why did it end the way it ended because it's like there's robbery but then there's like money left behind right
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well it's it's that's not even the issue it's more just four people lost their lives here and
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it's like why like why usually when you go like when you know a store gets stood up or
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something like that they take the money and run yeah they run in with a ski mask
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over their face and they just demand the money and then they're out of there yeah
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it's pretty rare that like these people are taken out of the store too and then taken somewhere else for something to
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happen it's just a very rare and really like tragic and gruesome case yeah so buckle up unbuckled all right so
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this is going back to November 18th 1978. oh I didn't realize that this was in the 70s yeah I know it feels closer
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yeah it does I I think I thought it was like the 80s yeah see I even when I first went into this I thought it was
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the 90s wow yeah look at us just being wrong I know and actually just to give you like a quick little like um make you
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feel old moment if you're like an older Millennial especially a geriatric see I can't even talk anymore that's how old I
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am but senile the I guess American girl is doing like a historical collection um of 90s dolls historical collection of
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90s dolls and did you see the twins no oh you didn't even see the best part no there's twins that are very clearly
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supposed to be like Mary Kate and Ashley and I think they're named like Nikki and
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something else wow and they're dressed like how Mary Kate and Ashley did yeah a lot of them are dressed like the
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clueless style kind of thing vintage but oh no not vintage his historical yeah like I just like Mikey's face just said
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it all he just looked over and was like he was like historical so I just like here
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I hope you're happy I hope you're happy because you made me cry all right so back to the story November 18th 1978
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which again wild Brian cring stopped by the Burger Chef in Speedway Indiana he was an employee there
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and he was stopping by after closing time to visit his co-workers because of course this is after closing time you're
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doing those like you know when the store is locked oh and you get to turn on music or something do your clothes down
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routine you're dancing around with the broom you know anyone who's worked retail or anything like that knows this
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like it's a great time because that's usually when your friends can stop by and just watch you clean
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no he was surprised though when he went around back and he found the back door unlocked and then he went further in and
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he found the restaurant was empty again all lights are on his co-workers purses their coats were there it was like they
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had left in a hurry and they finally found the coats in person like the back room but no people in sight so he looks
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further and he sees that the cash register had been emptied of that day's earnings yikes now at first
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local police didn't take this situation seriously at all oh good they just assumed it was petty theft why do we
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give a [ __ ] like but why though yeah like why and at first they actually thought that this was just the kids had
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stolen the cash and ran out of there and then they just left their person and then they just left of it and that's the
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other thing it's like so you didn't look at those purses and think maybe we should look a little further into this
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right and also if you looked at all into who these kids were you would know that
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is not that's just not an ocean you should have had oh 70s but that notion shortly thereafter
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crime turned from disappearance and theft to kidnapping in Multiple homicide now unfortunately by the time they
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actually got to this conclusion which anybody else probably would have come to pretty quickly considering all the
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things that were left at the [ __ ] scene the entire scene had been cleaned by Burger Chef employees the next morning
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no and when I tell you what like how detrimental this was oof it's gonna it's gonna grind your gears I'm already
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grinding yeah my gears are round to dust so the failure of the authorities to take this disappearance The
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Disappearance of the Burger Chef employees seriously from the very beginning from the outset it was only
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the first of many mistakes they are going to take in this case and it ended up being Indiana's most high profile
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unsolved crime wow foreign [Music] a few days before Christmas Janelle Matthews disappeared from her home
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with me officer Edgerton I've buried more people than you'll know he's providing information that hadn't even
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been released to the news yet he's just a good liar that he can convince the juror that he wasn't involved follow
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suspect wherever you get your podcasts hey Prime members you can binge the entire series ad free on Amazon music
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download the Amazon music app today now while investigators are now pretty certain fairly certain that they
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know who is responsible for this for the four murders the evidence they need to actually prove
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that now it was wiped clean now I am never one and I think it's Sarah Turney always says this like
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there's always hope like never say that something is hopeless because we've seen
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time and time again that it is not hopeless there's always a way and you know who says that also Heidi you know
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our girl Heidi Jones Heidi Jones and we listen to Heidi Jones I love Heidi I love her so much you just made me think
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of her and I was like oh she's just like the nicest person on the planet she truly is I just love her I hope she's
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very happy every day I think she is I think she is too legitimately die mad Tom but die mad Tom so unfortunately the
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loss of this evidence and the fact that they that although I believe that it can
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be conclusively linked to these people it's gonna it made it a lot harder yeah it's a lot harder now to link these two
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things because of investigatory negligence to be quite honest and that's the thing that sucks it's like you just
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like you can't you can't blame anyone else it's an investigators this was your job right you used to secure the crime
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scene and you're supposed to walk into a crime scene we've said this before and let it speak to you you don't go in
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there and speak for that crime scene bias that's not how it works you don't go in there and go well I think it's
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this way so I'm just going to investigate it like that it's like no you don't you go in there wiped clean
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and you go in there and say talk to me I was just watching um oh my God so good have you watched um the Playboy murders
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yet no I haven't but I keep seeing Holly post about it and I really want to watch
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I watched the entire series I'm gonna sit down and watch it so good but one of the cases that they covered the Jasmine
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Fior case oh yes they had their suspect and they were like yeah this is definitely play the guy but then another
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suspect pops up and I as I was watching it I was like okay I'm impressed because
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they actually went down that Avenue too instead of just like blindly chasing one
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suspect and that's good police work yeah that's good investigatory work because like you have to let it take you where
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it wants to go right this not so much oh yeah but let's go back to that night let's go to the night in question
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November 18th 1978 that's when 17 year old Brian Kring was on his way home a little after midnight he passed by the
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Burger Chef Restaurant on Crawfordsville Road he worked part-time there because again he's 17. yeah the restaurant
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closed at 11 p.m this is a little after midnight but the lights were still on so
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he was like oh they're still closing down I'm just gonna drop in and say hi yeah like cute small town [ __ ] that's
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adorable uh these the workers that were there were the 20 year old assistant manager Jane freit 16 year old Mark
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flemons 16 year old Daniel Davis and 17 year old Ruth Shelton now Kring Brian Kring when I went around the back
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because he figured the front was going to be locked yeah they had obviously locked up
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um he was confused though because when he went back there he saw that the door was not only unlocked but slightly open
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huh and he was like why would they do that so he just goes in and again he's closed before he knows this is not like
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why would you leave the back door open yeah he knows protocol yeah and when he went in he called out to them just said
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like who's here silence and that must have been the heaviest silence because you're like what the
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[ __ ] is going on that would be so terrifying because it's like they're not just leaving the lights on and the doors
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unlocked and piecing out for the night like you know something's wrong here if they're not bustling around cleaning
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so he goes in there he's not seeing anyone not hearing anything and then he sees that the cash registers drawers had
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been pulled out and thrown on the floor and they are all empty oh no obviously a
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robbery seemed likely so he ran into the manager's office hoping to find all of them in there because he figured you
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know if this was a robin robbery maybe they cuddled everybody into the back room maybe lock the door yeah like maybe
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there's a place somewhere got out they left him in there just thinking somebody won't find them till morning right and
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he's like okay I'm gonna go back there they're all gonna be okay we're gonna figure this out so he goes in there
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empty oh my God but it had been ransacked he must have been so scared because then in my mind I'd be like is
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this person gone yeah you did this that's the thing like he was probably like holy hell right there's someone
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watching the store right now like like terrifying and then he notices in the manager's office a jacket that was Ruth
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Shelton's on the floor this is the middle of November he she was not leaving without that
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jacket willingly and then like to find that and still know that the cops were like no they just ran away without her
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jacket she ran away and it's like you really couldn't entertain any other possibility it happened to be what you
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were thinking finding this the way they did like it doesn't make any sense well Brian called 9-1-1 and told them what he
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discovered when the police arrived at the Burger Chef Brian told them the story and he told the same story he had
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told the 911 dispatcher and the officers just kind of did like just a quick little search of the restaurant in the
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manager's office they found two empty money bags that had been emptied out and an empty roll of adhesive tape behind
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the beside the safe okay but otherwise there was really no clues to be found right now you would look at the empty
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roll of adhesive tape and go okay where are they bound with that yeah and was this left behind but they did nothing
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about it they didn't collect it they didn't photograph it left it there did nothing to it yeah
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now the store manager Robert Gilead he arrived shortly after the police had come and he reviewed the register tape
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from the night's sales and he said by his estimation there was about 600 missing okay uh to the officers on the
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scene they were like you know what this is robbery you know what probably an inside job probably these kids or
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someone else and it was assumed that they just kind of went on their closing shift stole the money and all four of
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them just divvied it up to each other and walked out into the night without their purse without their
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jackets leaving the whole place that's a lot to to just take from looking around
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for a minute yeah but Robert you know he the store manager he was like um no I know my employees yeah he was
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like I know these four and there's you know they we trust them to close the store down like we wouldn't put them on
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this if we didn't and he said nope they are very responsible very trustworthy kids it's the assistant manager they
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would not Rob us they wouldn't even leave without turning off a light like that like I'm shocked that I would be
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shocked if they left without turning all the lights off right like it doesn't make any sense this doesn't add up at
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all and unfortunately this didn't get a lot of priority from the investigators but it also didn't get priority for the
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in the media at the time because a little over two months earlier Speedway which was a very small community was
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terrorized by bombings around town oh man and police thought that these bombings were actually intended to
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distract from the investigation of a local woman's murder and there does end up being a connection later to that whoa
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but the bombings were really eating up all the attention and it was really eating up all the resources that this
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tiny little Town's police force had uh oh because they were not ready for any of that and this is why all police
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forces need to be ready for anything because how many times have we heard they were in this police force just
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wasn't ready for this you got to be ready for anything now interestingly on September 6 of that year so the month
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earlier um or two months early excuse me Ruth Shelton one of the victims had actually
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called police to report a car speeding through the Burger Chef parking lot after one of the bombings oh no one
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interviewed her about it what the [ __ ] they just took the call they said they didn't think it was pertinent
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and then it ended up being pertinent but they never interviewed her maybe they should stop making Hasty judgments yeah
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it looks like that seems to be a uh a running theme now meanwhile on November 18th the day that the Burger Chef
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employees disappeared reports began coming in from a place called Guyana this was the day where Congressman Leo
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Ryan was shot by members of The People's Temple at Jonestown holy [ __ ] there's a
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lot yeah during this time so by the end of the day the news media was fully dominated by that which I guess we can
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understand but like there are four missing kids can we also think about this like these they're four local
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missing kids yeah like so we have the capacity to like maybe compartmentalize here that's the thing and it's like but
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it was you know obviously that was a huge story it's like but guys like so there was just very little room for for
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local teenagers disappearing Into Thin Air that's so [ __ ] up now the next morning the four Burger Chef employees
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still had not returned and Speedway police Lieutenant William Crafton was beginning to think that the
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store manager Robert Gilead was possibly right yeah that this wasn't a teenage prank it wasn't this thing where they
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decided to just Rob the store one night randomly and just walk off into the night after like months or years of
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working there yeah and they had talked to the the kids parents they all said they hadn't seen or heard from their
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children since the night before and so craftin issued a Statewide alert and Reserve input reserve and active police
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from Speedway in to start a search okay so they were actually assisted by the Indiana State Police and the local
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office of the FBI as well so now too late we are taking this seriously now in the beginning it looked as if they were
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going to be searching for missing people that's what they were going with because
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again there is no evidence of a of homicide at this point right it's not a recovery Mission this is supposed to be
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a you know a search and rescue yeah but things started to look a little different and a little more dire because
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soon officers found Jane Fritz 1974 Chevrolet Vega a few blocks away from the police station and it was abandoned
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and it's like how many of you guys drove past that on your way to work exactly like and it was yeah and it was only and
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it was partially locked which is interesting because according to Jane's mother she said Jane kept the driver's
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side door locked at all times even when she was driving which investigators took
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to mean that she was behind the wheel when it was abandoned but for some reason she had been forced to exit out
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of the passenger side okay not great so law enforcement were combing the town they're searching everywhere employees
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at the Burger Chef are now arriving for their morning shift yeah and remember they have not done anything to cordon
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off the scene it is a restaurant to be opened and to serve people now well they started their process of opening the
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restaurant which included cleaning it from top to bottom also I want to remind you and also
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inform you that no crime scene technicians were ever brought to that restaurant they were never called to
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that scene no crime scene technicians that means it was never photographed it was never dusted for Prince it was never
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combed for any little thing nothing holy nothing was done they didn't even take a
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[ __ ] they didn't even take a photo of it oh my God there's no photo of that night
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oh my God and no fingerprint dusting nothing wow they can't even tell if someone was hurt there because they
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didn't do any kind of testing for it like nothing nothing at all didn't even the fact that they didn't take pictures
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to reference later is mind-boggling was there did they face like any kind of trouble from this at all at any point
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well we'll definitely get to that in part two okay but it's yeah this it's just really wild now later when they
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realized what they had done the investigators returned to the scene but there was nothing to collect no nothing
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now and now it was the lunch rush when they got there so it was just a bustling restaurant and at that point it's like
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totally hard for even here at this point now by the morning of the 19th which was
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the next morning the local press had begun reporting on what Speedway police were calling a quote serious subduction
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uh-huh but nothing made sense like why would they come in to rob the place and take four teens with them yeah so
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everybody's like what the hell and Jane's mother Carolyn said to reporters quote it just doesn't make any sense
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they got their money and they made their escape now why the devil don't they give
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us our back our children yeah which like heartbreaking seriously like give me back my child like you can keep whatever
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you want to keep just give me her back yeah but by this point the police had really given the families very little
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information because they didn't really have that much information and they actually told the families not to share
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photographs of their children with the Press which was strange that's really weird
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so now they're dedicating resources to finding these these four victims and other officers are being sent to canvas
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for anyone who might have seen anything in or around the Burger Chef Restaurant that night so now they're talking to
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people finally okay now a couple who had been sitting behind the Burger Chef at around 11 15 p.m when they came forward
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and said at around 11 15 PM they were sitting back there who knows what they were doing but they were poached they
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were parked they were necking they were approached by quote two shabbily attired
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white men in their 30s oh and then we love that and we love to be a tired white man in his 30s yeah and they came
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up and they asked the couple for identification and then told them they should leave the area
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and they were like what and they told them that quote a lot of vandalism has been going had been going around this
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area okay and in their description of these men they said that one had a full beard and a mustache and the other the
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one who really did most of the talking he was kind of covering his face with a handkerchief I bet he was and they said
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as if to wipe his nose huh so it's like he was holding it up like he was wiping his nose but it was likely to cover his
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face he had some kind of like distinguishing Mark or something exactly or he was just
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doing it because he was the one without a beard so he figured he needed a little
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extra covering right but as they as the couple left the parking lot they said they did see Jane's white Chevy Vega was
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still parked in the lot so at 11 15 it was still in that lot okay now this is great but like there's still very little
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evidence here and they're re the police were really not able to come up with a lead at this point really like what are
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they gonna do here I'm like can we call in some big guns and well not only can they not come up with a lead they're
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having trouble even theorizing what could be happening here because they got nothing yeah it's just now all we know
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is Two Guys in their 30s said there's a lot of vandalism back here you should leave and that's it and
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that's it and that her then that Jane's car was abandoned on the side of the road near the police station
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but it was still there at 11 15. like like where do you go from there that's the thing it's not like they can sit
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there and go okay well this this piece tells me this it's like right all you had was robbery I mean you gotta add a
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lot more pieces into this maybe if you dusted for some goddamn prints or took a [ __ ] picture or something that's what
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I'm saying foreign [Music] the friend who had come in that night he told them that he found trash barrels
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next to the back door like hole propping the door open and so the investigator thought someone had unlocked the back
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door to take the trash out a little after 11 pm which makes sense and as whoever did said this one or more people
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caught them by surprise forced them back into the restaurant once they'd taken the money from the safe they then forced
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all four into Jane's car with probably one of the robbers while one or more accomplices just followed behind in a
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separate vehicle because you're not going to stuff everybody into one car right they said they probably drove for
00:29:03
three blocks before they were forced out of the car they abandoned the car where
00:29:07
it was found near the police station and then whatever happened after that no idea okay so it does make sense like
00:29:14
that theory it's not like a huge Theory but it's just like here's what I think happen it does make sense that somebody
00:29:21
was probably taking out the trash and they opened that back door because that back door would have been locked yeah if
00:29:28
you're closing up everywhere I've ever worked while you're closing up the doors are locked oh 100 yeah so somebody can't
00:29:35
come in and Rob you and that's the whole point so it's like that was definitely a
00:29:38
locked door I'm sure one of them opened the door to take the trash out and was surprised by these people they forced
00:29:45
them inside it does make sense that makes sense but what we're not getting is like who the [ __ ] are these people
00:29:50
and what the [ __ ] did they want besides money and then what happened to them once they were dropped off past that
00:29:55
point exactly now interestingly June 16 1978 there was a similarly tragic case to this at another fast food restaurant
00:30:04
it was called the Sirloin Stockade and it was in Oklahoma City and I didn't know about this I hadn't heard of this
00:30:11
I'm gonna look further into this maybe I'll have it for part two but I happen to come across it when I was rereading
00:30:16
and I was like mention that six people were killed in a robbery there holy [ __ ]
00:30:21
um and later we will see that one of the suspects in that case could be placed in
00:30:25
Speedway Indiana at the time of the Burger Chef so it is an interesting little connection
00:30:32
so Sunday November 19th like I said day after the the disappearances the search came to a screeching halt and not
00:30:41
because they gave up but because the bodies of Ruth Shelton Daniel Davis Mark flemons and Jane freit were all found in
00:30:48
a remote area of Johnson County a man named Fred Hager had found them while walking his property with his wife
00:30:55
so they were on his property Jesus Christ now and this is just really sad because they're so young they are like
00:31:02
and this is so [ __ ] senseless and they were just like out there like after school jobs that's the thing and when
00:31:06
you find out there was a couple of like incidences where like one of them wasn't
00:31:10
supposed to be working that night yeah I remember hearing that now Ruth and Daniel were found lying face down in the
00:31:16
dirt all of them were still dressed in their burger chef uniforms which somehow makes it even more chilling it does Jane
00:31:23
and Mark were found a few yards away they all four were taken for autopsies at Johnson County Memorial Hospital
00:31:29
now unfortunately exactly like the scene at the Burger Chef the scene at the hager's property really didn't give a
00:31:36
lot of evidence to work with technicians were called to this well that's good because there is an actual Multiple
00:31:41
homicide here technicians did make a cast of a tire track that was found like in the gravel driveway leading away from
00:31:50
the property but otherwise there was really nothing about the scene that they were like oh this is going to be very
00:31:55
useful to us now because the victims had been transported across county lines the
00:32:03
case was also taken over by India in a state police which that's good I feel it's good but this is also very much to
00:32:11
the Chagrin of the speedway police in Johnson County Sheriff's Department who and we all know ego egos always come
00:32:18
into play here and the speedway police and the Johnson County Sheriff's Department were actually kept away from
00:32:25
the scene while it was secured by state troopers and Sheriff Thomas Pritchard heard told reporters quote I'm very very
00:32:31
upset about this I don't know why this the state police can't cooperate which it's true everyone should be cooperating
00:32:38
in situations like this the more the [ __ ] merrier everybody get on the same page right make sure you're sharing
00:32:44
information and make sure everybody is being a good little boy and a good little girl and everyone talk to each
00:32:50
other and work together yeah I don't understand why it's like this is ours now it's like no no like you can all
00:32:56
help each other because everybody wants to be the star of the show and you're all going to get the same thing at the
00:33:01
end the satisfaction of solving a [ __ ] case like you're not gonna get a trophy well it's more than that
00:33:06
though I feel like they do think they get a trophy and it's like you don't none of you are getting a trophy so like
00:33:11
why don't you all just work together if anything you're just getting you're all working together to get a family answers
00:33:15
that's the thing like that should that's your trophy right and you can all share
00:33:19
it if you all work together but the interdepartmental bitterness did nothing but further hamper this investigation
00:33:26
which was already so bad from the beginning I was gonna say this uh investigation that's like
00:33:34
when I said from the outset flaw flaw flaw flaw flaw flaw flaw negligent negligent negligent yeah I that is all
00:33:42
this is this is like if a flaw had flaws it truly and to think that like they started off so badly and they started
00:33:51
off so negligent with investing like investigating this at all and then it went further to have the state police
00:33:57
which I understand they were probably looking over and being like well you guys did not do a good job but they're
00:34:01
not killing them but on the same token it's like guys this is already [ __ ] up like just work together just work
00:34:08
together sit down in a room and figure out what your different tasks are and work together
00:34:13
but it's like we can't even do that as adults it's so wild for me it's it's so simple a concept that it's almost too
00:34:19
simple yeah because you we've all seen it in our own lives on like very smaller scales is like getting a bunch of people
00:34:25
to work together is a very difficult task and it's like I don't know why we are all so [ __ ] that's why there's
00:34:31
always it's so weird but either way um the sheriff sheriff Pritchard had requested had done what I'm basically
00:34:41
saying he's saying let's combine forces let's do this together they rejected it of course they did they were like [ __ ]
00:34:48
because they wanted the they wanted to be like we did it and this and then they didn't even do it that's the thing and
00:34:53
immediately this makes more bitterness just seep in yep and Sheriff Pritchard was quoted as saying quote other than
00:35:01
lab equipment I felt our department is just as capable if they're going to treat us this way we're not going to
00:35:07
bend over backwards to help them which guys you are just compounding and compounding and compounding issues here
00:35:15
oh we're not gonna it's like okay let's work together no I don't want to work with you okay then we're not gonna share
00:35:22
information okay then we're not gonna tell and it's like um these four kids that were murdered
00:35:27
are over there being like hello excuse me hi can you um maybe get Justice for us that would
00:35:35
that would be sick if you guys would go ahead and just get some [ __ ] Justice For Us instead of like swinging your
00:35:41
dicks around at each other honestly it's so frustrating to see this [ __ ] I hate
00:35:46
when this enters a case no I do too where it's like because we've seen certain ones where like departments work
00:35:52
together and it goes well and it always turns out right it's when and sometimes they work together and they don't work
00:36:00
together well and it goes wrong yup but like you gotta try you gotta try because
00:36:05
it's not about you yeah it's not so the turf wars and the ego stuff became a problem for years to come in
00:36:13
this case and it caused major breakdowns in communication on any number of occasions for this
00:36:20
and at this point motive was still very cloudy as well because the missing six hundred dollars from this restaurant
00:36:26
safe made them think robbery was probably part of the motive at least but investigators also found cash in Jane
00:36:34
freit's front pocket right and one of the others was wearing an expensive watch yeah and why abandoned Jane's car
00:36:42
a few blocks later I guess the car I can understand because that's so easily traceable but like I abandon it where
00:36:48
you right where you left them but the money in her front pocket just leaving that there if robbery was the motive and
00:36:54
then the expensive watch it's like that doesn't check no in the car you should why would you not drive that far away
00:37:02
you drove it right where they could find them like that doesn't make any sense and then how did they get to the wooded
00:37:08
area where the bodies were found they must have had another car right it's so I have no idea so Dr Harley
00:37:15
Palmer was the one who did the autopsies a few days after they were found and the results didn't really clear a
00:37:21
whole lot more up it really just gave us more questions and also just made it even sadder
00:37:28
so both Ruth Shelton and Daniel Davis had been shot in the head neck and shoulders multiple times wow yeah which
00:37:37
Palmer Dr Palmer thought occurred while they were lying on the ground next to each other so it was like execution
00:37:43
style Jesus but like so Overkill well and this is the theory so because that was happening and they believed there
00:37:50
was probably at least two killers each one is doing that and the theory is that once that began Jane and Mark ran they
00:38:01
were probably all four lying on the ground and they were just gonna do it in a row yeah but Jane and Mark jumped up
00:38:06
and tried to escape and were caught and killed Jane freed had been stabbed at least twice in the chest with a
00:38:14
five-inch hunting knife holy [ __ ] and it was so violent that the blade broke off
00:38:19
and was still stuck in her chest when she was discovered oh my God the handle was taken with the killers oh my God so
00:38:26
I don't even know if the killer one knew that it broke off but two you can't get
00:38:30
that out of there no once it's broken off so they just ran off with the handle but left the blade wow and that's
00:38:36
violence that's brutal Mark Fleming's death was even more confusing because his cause of death was blunt force
00:38:43
trauma to the head but Dr Palmer couldn't be certain what was used to inflict the blow or how it happened the
00:38:52
autopsy showed that Mark had actually sustained an internal injury before he died and that he had actually choked on
00:38:59
his blood prior to his death that was actually it was blunt force trauma but like I think the choking on the blood
00:39:05
asphyxiation was technically the other cause of death now several weeks later based on this autopsy report
00:39:13
investigators floated a theory that Mark flemons had panicked run away like Jane
00:39:19
and that it was dark in the woods so he ran head-on into a tree oh and then they
00:39:26
think and I looked at this website uncovered who goes into like the backstories of these people it's like a
00:39:31
really good website to look at they think that he was likely knocked out or incapacitated by this and could have
00:39:37
been beaten to death in the head or face with a chain-like object afterwards oh my God yeah much more brutal than I knew
00:39:46
it was now Dr Palmer confirmed that none of the bodies showed any signs of having
00:39:50
been bound or restrained and he placed the time of death somewhere between two and three in the
00:39:57
morning on the 18th or technically the 19th the area in which the bodies were discovered was a 40-minute drive from
00:40:04
the Burger Chef at Speedway so Palmer's estimated time of death suggests that all four were killed not long after
00:40:12
arriving on that property so it wasn't like they held them there for a while but also there was at least two possibly
00:40:19
three weapons used in these killings what I was just like kind of confused about even which makes it very clear
00:40:25
that there's more than one killer do you think there's more than two I think there could there at least has to be two
00:40:31
yeah I would say at least two to subdue four people and to be able to chase them each down
00:40:37
in the woods there had to have been at least two but I think there maybe could have been more yeah and again the motive
00:40:43
still elusive at this point because what the hell that's brutal yeah and for six
00:40:47
hundred dollars like what so now that we've gone over this whole crime let's talk about these four
00:40:53
victims yeah so 20 year old Jane free was born May 5th 1958. she began working at the Burger Chef company three years
00:41:02
before her death she was still a student at Avon High School and she quickly established herself as a very reliable
00:41:09
very responsible good and well-liked employee she had transferred to the Crawfordsville Road location in the
00:41:17
spring of 1978 so she had just transferred that year and was promoted to assistant manager only three months
00:41:25
in oh and she was probably so like proud and excited about that oh yeah you want
00:41:29
to know what her nickname was by her like fellow co-workers Sweet Jane sweet change that's what they call their sweet
00:41:35
Jane oh and while she was in school Jane was involved in tons of clubs and activities yearbook you know concert
00:41:43
band choir she she eventually became a teacher's aide I think she was like a library assistant at one point I am and
00:41:51
a friend from high school told reporters quote she had a any smile that always reminded me of Lily Tomlin because when
00:41:58
she smiled her eyes would crinkle up into Crescent Moon shapes oh and when you look at her it's true and Jane was
00:42:05
actually this this destroys me Jane was actually in line for a promotion that was going to be happening at the
00:42:11
beginning of the New Year everyone was confident she was going to be running the store wow like I'm in no time like
00:42:18
they were like and what's worse she had no idea that this promotion was coming her way at the time of her murder so
00:42:25
there was this big exciting secret that she never knew that she was in line to like really take it to the next level
00:42:31
that's so messed up now 17 year old Ruth Ellen Shelton was born December 19 1960.
00:42:37
like Jane she was super popular at work and at school she had begun working at the Burger Chef on Crawfordsville Road a
00:42:45
few months before the murders and was described by her manager Robert Gilead as one of the quote model employees
00:42:53
she was an honor student at the time of her death she was in her junior year at Northwest High School she really pushed
00:43:00
herself academically and she was very interested in math and science which at the time it was kind of discouraged for
00:43:08
young women to be into that and she had her parents and family said she was brilliant and Incredibly inspirational
00:43:14
like her drive was like nothing you've ever seen they were like we were constantly in awe of her hell yeah and
00:43:20
she had dreams of becoming a computer scientist holy [ __ ] and her parents encouraged her and everything her mom
00:43:27
actually later joked quote I told her she couldn't be the best at everything but she was the kind of person who would
00:43:32
always try and she was taking classes at the time of her death at University of Indianapolis for early credits good for
00:43:40
her like insane like that's so cool right just like to like really determined women
00:43:47
yeah like really cool women that were like doing the dancing and she had recently joined the school choir in her
00:43:53
classmates said that she was quote shy but very nice and a very good worker now outside of school she also loved art she
00:44:00
was very active in activities outside of school like she was um in the youth Fellowship group at Westside Church of
00:44:07
the Nazarene so she they were both doing a [ __ ] ton yeah with their lives and would continue to give him the
00:44:13
opportunity now Daniel Davis was born on September 6th he was only 16 years old I know um
00:44:20
he had also recently begun working at the Burger Chef as a cook a few months earlier and had not even had his first
00:44:27
paycheck yet wow yeah wow he was very well liked but he was quiet and shy and if you look at him he's just like the
00:44:35
most adorable thing oh my God I know his cheeks just these cheeks that you just want to squeeze and he was in his junior
00:44:41
year at a Deca towards Central High School I hope I'm saying that right and had been planning to actually enter the
00:44:47
Air Force when he graduated he had a very big interest in aviation so he just wanted to pursue that so like the most
00:44:55
determined kids yeah they all had dreams yeah like actual dreams that they were really going after yeah they were not
00:45:00
even just like talking about he also loved photography and he had made his own DIY dark room in this in his house
00:45:07
at home how cool is that he would develop his photographs there damn his best friend Bruce described him as quote
00:45:14
a happy guy AI laughing and telling jokes most of the time oh that like hurts my heart now sixteen-year-old Mark
00:45:20
Sylvester flemons was born on December 31st 1961 and he was also one of the newer employees at the Burger Chef he
00:45:28
actually wasn't even supposed to be working that night but had agreed to switch with another employee a few days
00:45:34
earlier knew there was one of them that had switched now even crazier the person
00:45:38
he switched with was a girl who was also an employee that Brian Kring was taking
00:45:44
out on a date lap that night oh my God so he had swish they had switched shifts so that Mark Mark would work while this
00:45:51
girl went on the date with Brian so Brian must have like dropped that girl off and then was on his way home from
00:45:56
that that's exactly what happened in fact the two of them drove by and since they both worked there they noticed the
00:46:03
lights on and she was like I gotta get back for curfew so he just drove her home and then on his way back he was
00:46:08
like oh I'm gonna stop in there oh my God yeah now yeah it drives me crazy so and I I
00:46:15
might have said Mark I meant Brian I don't know if Brian is who I'm talking about with the date but Mark was
00:46:22
um Mark was a sophomore at Speedway high school he really loved being in the school band and was really good at it he
00:46:29
was one of seven children wow um he was raised and um as a Jehovah's Witness and
00:46:34
he was known to be very friendly and cheerful if like you were in a bad mood Mark was the one that was going to make
00:46:41
you laugh and make you feel better and in the 1978 Speedway High School year book classmates remembered quote his
00:46:49
smiling face and laughing eyes oh and they said that he they always remember the jokes that he told because he would
00:46:56
cheer everyone up this is so sad yeah it breaks my heart now with no record of the initial crime
00:47:03
scene ever being photographed or anything that is gonna blow my mind for years to come I never knew that all the
00:47:11
evidence washed away investigators hoped that the hager's property was going to be the one that gave them something
00:47:18
please something but unfortunately nothing and the autopsies only gave them more questions like I said it's like
00:47:26
you're not getting a ton out of this you're just like what the [ __ ] foreign [Music]
00:47:44
was also hitting walls because of the lack of information that was being communicated to both the media the
00:47:51
public and within law enforcement agencies right like this miscommunication was everywhere and they
00:47:57
were holding all this [ __ ] way too close like sometimes it makes sense yeah but
00:48:02
they weren't giving anything well even just like I thought it was so weird that they told the family not to share
00:48:08
pictures of their kids and they didn't share a lot of information with the families that's not cool yeah in the
00:48:14
days after the bodies were discovered investigators literally gave the victims families as little information as they
00:48:19
could and according to Ruth Shelton's mother Rachel once detectives got information they wanted from the family
00:48:26
she said quote they've no longer called or bothered to update us on the investigation how [ __ ] up is that like
00:48:34
what the [ __ ] is going on yeah like who are these officers like how do you put
00:48:37
your head on the pillow at night not telling a family what is going on in the investigation of their kids exactly but
00:48:43
it was also also happening within the Departments too officers were complaining about Lieutenant craft in
00:48:49
silence saying it was going to make them impossible to investigate this case we're not getting any infer information
00:48:55
we're not getting any infer we're not getting any infer over here so this lack of information became a serious point of
00:49:03
contention with the Press almost immediately of course they're like please tell us what's happening the
00:49:09
Hoosier State press Association HSPA they were arguing that investigators were asking help from the public but
00:49:16
then were unwilling to share any information and they were like this is a very unfair situation it's very
00:49:21
one-sided and it's really limiting cooperation yeah you're not going to get a lot from people if you're not willing
00:49:27
to give because they're not going to trust you no in Johnson County District Attorney D Charles Gantz agreed with
00:49:33
that sentiment and he told law enforcement that they had to be more forthcoming but nope they were not going
00:49:39
to and also Wild games yes some of the information about the auto autopsies were made public but the the only thing
00:49:48
that the investigators really gave the public was that they had developed quote incomplete composite drawings of the two
00:49:54
men in the parking lot that had come up to the couple girl bye but yeah but then
00:50:00
even though even that though they said the investigators said that they were quote not certain the men were involved
00:50:05
in the abduction but they may have some information about the robbery what are you certain about it's like what that's
00:50:11
not helpful it might be easier if you tell us what you are certainly yeah now one thing they shared was that on the
00:50:17
day of the disappearances officers had discovered a 38 caliber pistol quote along the Route believed driven by The
00:50:25
Intruders the gun showed real it really didn't have like rust on it or age and it had been exposed to the elements at
00:50:33
this point so they were like okay well it obviously wasn't out there for too long so that could be the gun that was
00:50:39
used in the killings because it could have been only out here for a couple of days right but then they retrieved the
00:50:44
Slugs used in the murders of Ruth Shelton and Daniel Davis and it was no match for this pistol that's what I was
00:50:49
going to ask you if there was like any anything left behind like bullet casings or something yeah like they were able to
00:50:54
get the Slugs but without anything to compare it to you're [ __ ] yeah now even though the police were pretty
00:51:00
unwilling to share even the slightest bit of information the press in public did what they could to help the
00:51:05
investigation on November 20th the Burger Chef Corporation announced a 25 000 reward for any information leading
00:51:14
to the arrest and conviction of The Killers wow and another local restaurant Steak and Shake which I like Steak and
00:51:21
Shake I've had that oh yeah from Florida yeah oh [ __ ] they have I think it must
00:51:24
be like in the South I thought you were just saying like I like that name yeah I
00:51:28
like that no I actually had Steak and Shake it's good oh um they added another thousand dollars
00:51:33
to that sum which is really cool of them to do like yeah another restaurant Stand
00:51:38
Together Stand Together be more than apparently the police department literally and Burger Chef also set up
00:51:44
Memorial funds for the victims families that sounds like a great company I was like Wow Burger Chef
00:51:50
um and then a bunch of other local organizations stepped up the Indiana Restaurant Association actually
00:51:56
established a reward fund quote to be used in violent crimes committed at any members restaurant wow so they were like
00:52:03
banding together and forming a little like you know Collective of people good for them and they were also urging their
00:52:10
own members to donate to the victims memorial fund that the Burger Chef Corporation had set up nice so like like
00:52:16
come together right now yeah yeah you know beetles news of a reward is great but it can have its drawbacks because
00:52:27
immediately you're going to get people calling in trying to get that reward with no [ __ ] information yeah like
00:52:32
the or like just fake information exactly so of course a flood of phone calls a bunch of tips came in from the
00:52:38
public that more than 100 calls were received on the first day of course none produced a credible lead thanks guys
00:52:44
were clearly false thanks for calling us now the papers were really feeling the full force of law enforcement
00:52:51
enforcements like I'm gonna tell you this but I'm not going to tell you this you're not going to hear about this but
00:52:56
I want you to tell me this kind of thing on the Tuesday after the murders the um
00:53:02
Indianapolis news had a headline that said quote four held 24 hours before slangs
00:53:09
so they're saying that they the four people were held 24 hours before they were killed which is not the truth on
00:53:16
the same day the Indianapolis Star reported police suspect the four young persons were
00:53:22
slain shortly after they were abducted yikes not great so two different newspapers on
00:53:29
the same day are saying totally held 24 hours police think they were killed right away yikes yeah not great
00:53:36
meanwhile general counsel for the HSPA Richard Cardwell said in an interview with the um Indianapolis Star when
00:53:45
investigators do not cooperate with the news media there is a suspicion that they are trying to cover up their own
00:53:50
incompetence the silence also really made the public apprehensive about trusting the
00:53:57
investigation and law enforcement right because remember that series of bombings
00:54:01
had just ended as well so there and it's and at this point they are unsolved as well so they're like yeah we don't know
00:54:09
what you guys are doing but it's not solving cases that's for sure we don't want to live here yeah so actually a
00:54:14
neighbor of the hagars which is where the bodies were found she they said were very scared to come all the way from
00:54:20
Speedway to here they would have had to known something about the area yeah which is not not around wrong and one
00:54:27
Burger Chef regular actually said to reporters I was shocked it was like a personal loss like part of myself had
00:54:33
been taken away oh but she was like oh my God yeah now by the end of the week investigators had seemingly exhausted
00:54:39
what very I I can't even say few leads what no leads they had yeah anything they tried to chase down was just
00:54:47
nothing and State Police said publicly quote in this case we've got to hope that the killer or Killers may have told
00:54:53
someone who has a conscience who will come forward they're like yeah we're thrown in the towel basically and that
00:54:59
is not what you want to hear you don't want to hear them go at this point we just hope they're stupid enough to tell
00:55:04
someone and that person has a [ __ ] conscience and wants to tell on them like hopefully they told someone that's
00:55:10
what you want me to pin My Hope on hopefully they told someone because we sure don't know it's like no My Hope was
00:55:16
pinned on the fact that we have an entire department of people that are supposed to be investigating this we
00:55:22
have multiple times how are you sitting here as is the soul entity that's supposed to be fixing this I don't know
00:55:30
I don't know I hope some people are stupid and that they just come forward and just spill the beans clearly they
00:55:35
didn't yeah we all hope that every [ __ ] criminal will come forward and be like well [ __ ] I grew a conscience
00:55:40
here's what it did but nine times out of ten that doesn't happen my friend yeah like nine and a half and at this point
00:55:46
everyone's terrified all over Speedway parents were like waiting at their kids jobs and picking them up and like
00:55:52
walking them out walking them in they were terrified I don't blame them and also at the Burger Chef on crawfords
00:55:59
Crawfordsville Road the lights of the restaurant um there's this like happy face in the
00:56:05
whites they actually turned it off as like a morning the last thing and I think that's real I'm like Burger Chef
00:56:13
doing it for real like the most here and I appreciate it and at this point the investigation is a is at a complete
00:56:22
standstill we heard that they have partial composite images that they haven't even released yet like a whole
00:56:29
bunch of [ __ ] truly at this point the public and the media are about to give up hope that they are going to be
00:56:36
able to get any answers here and then and then we go to part two what what God damn
00:56:48
part two case is infuriating and it's so tragic I mean these kids were babies and they
00:56:58
were just at their part-time job literally just like they went to school and then they went to their job
00:57:06
they had and not once I'm sure did they ever in a billion years think that would
00:57:12
be their last shift that's awful and it's like they're all in their uniforms it just kills me I'm like who are these
00:57:19
[ __ ] Monsters the fact that theaters didn't check the restaurant at all didn't do anything didn't take pictures
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none like what did you think was gonna happen here you really thought you were gonna solve this and it's like this we
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say it all the time just overdo it man yeah do too much No One's Gonna fault you for
00:57:39
doing too much cool you spent an entire you know all your resources of your [ __ ] photographer that night whatever
00:57:46
where else was your photographer whatever where else was your crime scene technicians like get them on a bed get
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them in here make them snap some photos if you never use them again you never use them again but at least you got them
00:57:58
dust a little bit of fingerprints on some things that's the thing how they dust it I guarantee you this case would
00:58:04
be solved right yeah because in photographs like you can see the minutia you can see little inconsistencies you
00:58:11
can start to piece things together I've been hearing the word minutia a lot lately and I don't know what it means I
00:58:17
mean like the little things like the little details the minute the minutia I like it thank you like when somebody
00:58:24
like when somebody's getting too far into like the detail like don't get into the minutia that just I like it yeah
00:58:30
thanks you're welcome um yeah that's just and the other thing too is like I was just saying I feel
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like they would have if they had dusted and gotten a fingerprint this would be solved because I feel like this doesn't
00:58:39
feel like a first time crime no it doesn't like at all this feels very like especially the fact that you know they
00:58:46
made them all lie face down in a row and they were just gonna execute them that's
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you've done that before that's what I would think but but then again on the same token two of them we think ran away
00:58:58
right that's pretty unheard of but to to think you're gonna Corral for humans with no mishaps is like that's pretty
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bold so that to me says confidence and it says I've done this before that's what that's how I feel but but I guess
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we'll Explore More in part two we sure will dude but in the meantime we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep
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it weird but not so weird that you're when an investigator when you're the little when you're investigating a crime
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scene you don't even take pictures of anything yeah don't do that yay bye foreign
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