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hey weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is morbid [Music] whoa you might hear some faint you
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probably won't actually but if you do you hear if you might hear some faint like rain tip tapping on the window you
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guys like that Ambiance yeah you guys do like that we've got a lot of people who
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are like I love that sound it sounds very calming but I don't know how you don't like the sound of rain it's very
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calming um you might not even be able to hear it because we have sound proofing but like
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you never know I don't know you know I don't know your life I don't know your ears I don't know what you're doing I
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don't know what you're doing okay what are you so I'm just kidding you're a weirdo I love you uh so yeah welcome
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back to part two of the H.H Holmes Saga yay so excited to be here we're gonna we're
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gonna get into it today so the first uh part was kind of setting it up where he came from his first marriage how he was
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a philanderer how he was a schemer how he was a shitty student how he smelled of a smegma
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he was a liar and a cheater and a frauder and just he's just an all-around [ __ ] person yeah well now we're gonna
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add murder to his repertoire oh what a what a repertoire yeah he's awful and he's gonna get awful lure so and then
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he'll get off a list yep he's gonna become one of the most awfuls ever so when we last left you guys he had just
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moved to Chicago after he was going to try that whole scheme selling the bodies of the wife and the child of his friend
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for the insurance all that stuff and then he just abandoned that and then he's like oh that's why there's bones
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buried in my basement you idiots of course I didn't murder anybody except I murdered a lot of people and now I'm
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gonna brag about it so figure it out so figure it out but yeah so we left you there so he's in Chicago now
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and as if you know the story of H.H Holmes you know that it really does revolve around Chicago Chicago is kind
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of like the room where it happened very much the room where it happened Devil in
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the White City there he is so once he'd arrived in Chicago he somehow passed the
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exam to become a pharmacist wow I would think that that's a pretty difficult exam yeah and he was only one of like a
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like a handful yeah people like I guess he had something in there maybe chemistry was his thing and that's he
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did a lot of extra stuff with chemistry so maybe he really did give himself a leg up in that department maybe but
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maybe it just wasn't great in other things or he just wasn't a good student you know yeah exactly that pretty much
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makes sense but he ended up finding work at Holton drugs which was a Pharmacy on the corner
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of 63rd and Wallace and it was owned by an elderly woman named Mrs Holton ah imagine drugs isn't it funny to think of
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like stores just being named like something drugs yeah just like Fulton drugs right
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but she explained to homes that the pharmacy actually belonged to her husband Dr e s Holton but he was very
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sick very very elderly you know ailing at the moment so uh HH wants to kick him right down the stairs and take over the
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[ __ ] pharmacy yeah the [ __ ] pharmacy kid and she was finding it a little hard a little difficult to manage
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this entire Pharmacy by herself she was elderly herself so of course like we said his ears perked up he was sensing
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opportunity here and Holmes told her I too am a doctor I thought you were gonna say he said I too am sick and elderly no
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he wouldn't lie why don't you believe you believe me he was like you know what I'm a doctor I
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have a lot of experience in the pharmacy he did not uh but he's he did pass the pharmacy exam so I think him cheated
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something happened there but he was like you know what I'm absolutely certain that I can transform this into just a
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thriving business again if you just give it to me without it so not long after he
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began work at the pharmacy because she believed him of course yeah she's a sweet woman Dr Holton did die rip um and
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he left the store and everything in it to Mrs Holton so he was fresh so the whole home sees
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this happening and he's like you know I he's he's angling tone this store so he frames it like he's doing her favor
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because he's like you you're old and ailing your husband just died you don't want to run this whole thing so he's
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like I'll buy this from you and I'll allow you to live on the second floor and she was like kind my God you are so
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nice so she agreed and he did pay her so she did she used the money that she got
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by mortgaging the stores fixtures fixtures fixtures why couldn't I say fixtures it's hard it's a I said like fixture
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because you have to do like a yeah that's hard you know words are hard uh in the stock and actually
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um Holmes bought the pharmacy and he rebranded the entire things as H.H Holmes Pharmacy so he took out the drugs
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and he replaced it with Pharmacy well there you go he made it more upstanding he was like you know what I think we do
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a little more here than just drugs you know what I'm pretty upstanding so let's change this
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um in the early days of him owning this new Pharmacy a lot of the customers would come in and they'd ask about Mrs
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Holton because people loved her she was a sweet old lady totally and every time he would say that she went on a trip to
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California oh now this wasn't strange because this is something she had said she wanted to do but she never had the
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money to do it oh sweetie she's not upstairs anymore and she hadn't returned for several weeks no and people are
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still asking where she is and when they would ask Holmes would just be like well
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you know she just loved California so much that she just stayed there she's just there you can't call her on the
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phone because like we don't have those the 1800s here so like you do this you know deal with it I guess she stayed
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with that so there was no actual physical evidence of him having killed Mrs Holton but there's no evidence that
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he didn't either and there's probably some circumstantial evidence that points to her probably being killed yeah I
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think her disappearance was not so much that she moved away or she went on a vacation to California I think he just
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got rid of that whole situation so that the entire building could be his it does
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sound like that and it's very on brand with what he would do anyways so it makes sense there you go these are
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things that he would do later so it's like it why would we not think that it would
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be this time I believe she might be his first victim but what about the boy I thought you thought the boy was that one
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I'm like I go back and forth with that one for sure could be his first victim but the you like full-heartedly Mrs
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Holton I have very little doubt that he killed Mrs Holton so she's either his first or a second yeah uh but it should
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be noted too that there are variations in this story if you're researching this case yourself too like one of the
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stories is that the woman Mrs Holton is not super elderly in that he got ownership of the store in exchange for
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promising to marry her oh [ __ ] um and either her or her daughter like the story never really makes it clear
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because again he confessed to so many different things that some of these stories got intertwined sure but this
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seems the one I told seems to be the most correct one okay um but the other story is that like they
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both go missing or one of them goes missing and in another version the woman's name is Elizabeth Sarah Holton
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who is the doctor and the pharmacy is owned by her and her husband but she's the doctor they said let's go with the
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feminist yeah exactly um and that they are a young couple and she decided to sell the pharmacy when
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she became pregnant so like that's another story in this version the couple doesn't
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disappear and they were actually still living in the neighborhood afterwards so like it doesn't show yeah either way
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though he wanted the pharmacy he got the pharmacy and then the two people previously owned the pharmacy were never
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seen again so like I think the puzzle piece of Moira is put together I don't think so to quote Spencer Department uh
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yeah to me it just you know Mrs Sultan was older people came in looking for her she wasn't he said she went to
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California she didn't go to California yeah no matter what he took ownership of that Pharmacy in late 1886. so now the
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pharmacy is open and it seems to be running pretty smoothly with them at the helm at the very least uh he he's like
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everything seems to be going good so like you know what I'm gonna look for some romance I'd like to point out that he is
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still married to Clara yeah uh but yeah there's that so he's turning his attention to the ladies now
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when he was in Minneapolis he met a woman named Miss Mirada bellnap murder I think it's murder
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um they've sparked up a flirtation and she seemed pretty smitten with him at the time and he made his life sound very
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exciting which like at the time it kind of was he was traveling all over the place
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um and because at the end of 1886 mirada's life was small it was kind of unexciting she was in a small town you
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know like I've never really seen the world yeah she lived with her parents in Minneapolis and worked in a music store
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it was like a cute little existence but like to her that wasn't enough she didn't feel like she was getting out
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there I got that so Holmes seemed very enticing to her and he was very Charming so and he also represented himself as a
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very intelligent man he's a doctor like that's like whoa hey I mean that's like you're young and you're getting it and
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he's also a business owner in Chicago um so Holmes knew all of this and so he wrote to Murda and courted her very
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aggressively first through letters and then he did it in person like he was really playing the long game here and
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after only a few months of talking back and forth he took a bold move and he proposed to murder and the two ended up
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being married January 28 1887. oh okay um he's still married to Clara I was like how does they just didn't realize
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in this District because it was like another district oh I think it was just in the 1800s and they like there's no
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electronic records happening there is the 1800s I keep forgetting that I'm like why didn't they know why didn't
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they just look it up on the computer why didn't they just like write that down somewhere so Murdo was very excited
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about this marriage but I think that excitement would have been slightly tempered if um he did let her know that
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he was still married to a woman named Clara that'll usually do it yeah strangely two weeks after he married
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Murda Holmes filed a divorce petition in Cook County Supreme Court against Clara
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stating that quote on the 28th day of June 1883 in the city of Ann Arbor in the state of Michigan the said Clara a
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mudget wholly disregarding and in violation of her marriage vows covenants and obligations committed adultery and
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had carnal knowledge with one JM Downer what so he's claiming they should divorce him Clara and he yeah after he's
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already married a second Woman by the way he's now filing for divorce against Clara saying Clara committed adultery
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like sir you were number one you did that super duper backwards you [ __ ] hypocrite like you are
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in the throes of adulterous behavior and you were saying she was she adultered years ago what it's a lot he he's doing
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he got married to another woman like are we clear Molina that's his right that's
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his right he's a man so and he's a doctor it gets even weirder in this divorce decree he also had put
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in there this he had put in there he further represents to your honor that he has ever since the time of said marriage
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conducted himself as a true kind and affectionate husband you dirty little liar during that time has Faithfully
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discharged all of his duties now do you remember when he abandoned her several times with their child lived off her
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money alone and beat her to the point of black eyes do you remember I remember a
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call does any of that ring as true kind or affectionate nor no nor oh well he also added into the decree that their
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six-year-old son Robert quote is now living and is under the care custody and control of your orator Hermann Webster
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mudget that simply wasn't true and never was wait so he was saying like I take care of the child like he literally had
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put in the divorce decree that that child is now living and is under the care custody control of him and that's
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not at all he had been with Clara the entire time also that's so easy to prove at one point he tried to go get Robert
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and take custody and she was like no [ __ ] and then and it didn't happen right but he's now having it put in the
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decree that Robert is in his custody I don't know if he thought he would get more money or something like that or
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something but like you're an idiot and again so easy to prove like you go to his house
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does he have a child's bedroom yeah the like the end the end and then also you don't want that child so you're just
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doing that to be an [ __ ] oh for sure but how many parents do that oh my God they don't actually want custody of the
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child they just want to do it to hurt the other people what and it's like [ __ ]
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you yeah so they looked and no one could ever find a JM Downer either that Clara
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supposedly had carnal knowledge with what is it by the way they [ __ ] oh God no knowledge is [ __ ] that's [ __ ]
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uh he likely didn't existence like he he likely did not exist no Holmes was a lying sack of [ __ ] but it doesn't really
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matter anyways because he also failed to show up on and follow up on any of the administrative requirements and the
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petition yeah and the petition like I hear that but like and the petition just lapsed it was eventually dismissed by
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the court for quote default of appearance of complaintant it's unclear whether Clara ever even
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received notice of his intention to divorce her I don't even think she knew he ever wanted to divorce her so he
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didn't get divorced you know this is giving a little bit Sheena and Raquel he makes this fake tro except it's not a
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tro and it doesn't even show up for the [ __ ] hearing he doesn't that's where my head's at except he except he
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actually like should have just divorced Clara like why are you not getting divorced yeah why are you married like
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several women at a time that well he's the sand of all in it all though so like he said obviously that's
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exactly what you think of with HH Holmes but like his marriage to Clara Holmes's
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relationship with murder started off like that of like any couple in love she helped him run the pharmacy and she
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became very just like impressed and enamored with his work ethic because he was really running this [ __ ] like she
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thought wow what a cute family we are like I'm helping you run your Pharmacy in Chicago and we're so successful and
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she later said quote ambition has been the curse of my husband's life he wanted to attain a position where he would be
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honored and respected he wanted wealth and again we see the Hallmark of his behavior is always based on money he's
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gotta be there's gotta be Capricorn in this chart I'm pretty I think his birthday he's a cancer like uh son but
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I'm like there's Captain Money Motivated Money Motivated and to a false but in the spring of that year Murda actually
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became pregnant and the bulk of the work she did was shifting you know off of her
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and her husband had to kind of like take a bigger role back in the pharmacy see I
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want to be excited for her but I feel like it's gonna end bad no you definitely don't want to be excited for
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this whole thing but um she was separated from homes a lot like she was kind of she had to be in
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the back right like she could do office work so she was just kind of relegated away from the public too and she was
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wondering yeah yeah she got lonely so her parents moved from Minneapolis to Wilmette a small village about 15 miles
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outside of Chicago I love that they were like we'll be with you I will come and hang with you and after they had like
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settled in there Murda moved in with her parents and gave birth to their daughter
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Lucy cute at first merta's parents were very suspicious of H.H homes well because this all came about very very
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quickly married baby business and I feel like parents they know it's like he went
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after young women yeah at the time and he and he went after young men for like schemes and stuff so he he was always
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going for people who he knew he could con like young and unexpected older people I feel like like elderly people
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fell for it but and somewhere in between like the parents of the whole generation
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were like something is sus about you and I don't know is and he didn't exactly endear himself to them despite his wife
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and child living in the house he was barely there like he never came to visit so they were like do you want to see
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your infant child no no okay well literally never came to see them that's good um immediately they began to
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question the kind of man that their daughter had married and had a child with and soon though he was able to
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charm his way into their good graces I'm not sure how but it took a lot of jewishing on his part it was mainly when
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they saw the ways that he like he wasn't around all the time but he showered Murda and the baby with gifts an
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adoration every time he would be there so he would love bomb a lot of the time he was there when he was there he was
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there he was just never there and he also that was beautiful you know poetry he also always had an excuse for
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his long absences it was never just like oh whatever [ __ ] it like you're working
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it's always like oh my God I know it's just like running a farm running a business you know I'm just such a such a
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businessman business money look at this briefcase like I'm very important meanwhile there's nothing in it and
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she's opens and it's just like a moth flies out but he would say that things were busy at the store and there was so
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much to do in Chicago and making it seem you know like that he was just up to his
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neck and work and he was just trying to support his little family and according to Eric Larson
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um who I will um Source his work in our show notes Holmes is Manner of dress and
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how he would frequently give a lot of gifts and like he was always about the material things that really gave off and
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especially back in those days like that he was a man of importance like he gave off that air to everybody dress for the
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job you want that's the job you have that's the thing he was very concerned with that like he always wanted to
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present himself as being a man of importance a man of means a man of power and it honestly went a long way to
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making her parents at least be eased a little bit thinking well he's going to take care of them yeah I guess so as
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this is happening he is now thinking about that Infamous Murder Castle that everybody knows about
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because now he's in Chicago he's settled there he's in an apartment near like above the pharmacy
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but he wants more and he's got grand grand plans and during the later Decades of the 19th century Chicago was going
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like there was a huge population boom a lot of people were moving West for work and opportunity and like a bigger
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brighter life kind of like how everybody's like oh my god let's go to California and become stars like it's
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the same kind of thing California New York Chicago same Vibes yeah exactly as a result new buildings were popping up
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all over the city because like people were coming in the economy was starting to Boom people were trying to make way
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for a ton of residents to be living their big apartment buildings and since arriving in Chicago and starting work
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Holmes had been eyeing this empty lot that happened to be across the street from the pharmacy and finally in the
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summer of 1888 he managed to buy it and at the time he registered the deed under
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the false name h.s Campbell this is the beginning of him using many many aliases
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to get many many things also can I just know it wasn't 1888 Jack the Ripper uh yeah so they were operating at the
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same time that's so cool like two of the world's most [ __ ] notorious serial killers operating at the same time and
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it's opposite ends of the world it's like so really wild crazy that's why a lot of people think there was some like
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layover between the two really like a lot of people thinks H.H Holmes is Jack the Ripper and I think okay Vice Versa
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oh um I think we talked about it in the episodes yeah it's a I don't know Theory
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it's a theory I was like I was like we mentioned it but but we didn't go super into it because I don't I one I haven't
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looked too I haven't looked hard enough into that theory to be convinced by it yeah and I don't want to give a full
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opinion on something that I haven't given the full court press to well and it kind of seems like at least from what
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I know HH uh Holmes is like operation of murder is very different than Jack the Rippers right it is and he is he's
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mainly money vote motivated with his Engineers but right liked killing as well like hhomes like killing and he
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liked killing women yeah he did enjoy that and it did it wasn't to me H.H Holmes isn't just a I kill for financial
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gain sometimes it's I killed because I wanted to kill right or I killed because this [ __ ] was in my way essentially
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yikes like not that's essentially no I would say yeah and it's like that's how he kind of presented himself as like she
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was a problem yeah so ouch she had to go damn and the way he would talk about it
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was very cold like that like well she became an issue so down the Chute she went crazy and he was very like
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intricate about the ways he would do it to me it doesn't really line up so far with what I've seen between the two
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cases because of mainly because of the two I think environments with which they were killing in are so vastly different
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that their methods of murder don't add up together but I don't know if that has to do with the environments yeah the
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person tailored himself to those environments right um but who knows I mean when we talked
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about it in um when we talked actually when we talked about uh it with Tobias he made a
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valid point of like it which we always thought but like I'm like oh in White Chapel if it was like somebody like H.H
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Holmes who dressed like a man of importance all the time and was very like showy he would stick out like a
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sore thumb and it's like so I don't know but then the reports of Jack the Ripper
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that he did look a little fancy so it's like but you don't know you know like we've come through a lot of different
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theories with that and it's like it could be mistaken it could be I don't know I just hate the unknown
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it's an interesting Theory and I will look further I'm you know what I'll probably look further into it by the end
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of this series because I would like to touch upon it more by the end but I definitely want to look further into it
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and look at some dates and look at you know because I know there was some possibilities that HH was out of the
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country at certain times and that maybe Jack had left at certain times and it would be how [ __ ] crazy would it be
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if he was it was because 1888 is when Jack ended right 1888 Jack was still going oh he was still going okay
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um but but he did like I think this is when he was coming to an end so which is interesting because this is really when
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when started beginning going right here so that is interesting it definitely is I'll be I'm excited to hear what you
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have to say once you are yeah we're into it I definitely want to look further into it for sure the Divergence there
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and we'll talk about it don't worry uh it's really not a Divergence though because it's all the same cool uh but so
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we were saying that by the summer of 1888 he had registered this lot across the street from the pharmacy under the
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false name h.s Campbell so this is when Holmes committed the first murder that he would wholly admit to okay he claimed
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he killed a friend and former schoolmate named Dr lecock now he did this because uh this man had
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a large life insurance policy and he said he lured his friend to Chicago under some kind of [ __ ] pretense
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gave him quote an overwhelming dose of laudanum and killed him that way after his murder Holmes took the body of
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leecoch to Grand Rapids Michigan he did this because it would look like Lee Cox had died accidentally in his home and
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then he collected the Forty thousand dollars from the life insurance policy kind now this is one of the murders
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people waver about because he loved to talk about murder in Mayhem when he was caught and he really wanted to make
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everybody like you gotta know I'm a [ __ ] monster like he wanted you to know he was like let me tell you how bad
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I am he doesn't need to make us believe he is a [ __ ] monster that's the thing like
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he had he has no need to exaggerate and yet he does all the time it's very strange but either way there is mention
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a lot in his youth like in his early days in any research you see of a classmate at college named Robert
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leacock now he was actually the one that Holmes claimed helped him originally come up
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with the idea of Faking a death and using a medical dead body to claim Insurance fraudulently so it would be a
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little poetic of homes to then use that plan on his friend who he came up with it with but take it to another level and
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just murder him for it like it would be something he would do that's a lot and when he confessed he said quote like the
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man-eating tiger of the tropical jungle I roamed about the world seeking whom I could destroy
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dramatic that's him yeah that's him that's him and his mustache uh now for the Des so this all began
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this is what began the Murder Castle idea was what he said okay he said after this whole scheme after he went through
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with it he got the money he was ready to go he said I had this Grand idea for a Murder Castle and according to Holmes
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the design and the purpose of it really came to him all at once after this this was like the igniting thing he had like
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an epiphany yeah he said he originally envisioned a massive three-floor building three stories up the first
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floor would have retail shops pharmacies jewelry shops clothing stores in his words he said it would be quote to
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generate income and allow him to employ as many women as possible that he could then that he could then murder okay the
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second and third floors were going to be apartments for rent and he was going to
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have his own very fancy apartment in the giant corner you unit of the second floor like essentially kind of like a
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penthouse exactly and he would have a large window that he could gaze over 63rd and Wallace I just got distracted
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by the palace like I kind of want that I know you don't want this one no now this
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was all the normal Logistics of a building it seems yeah like that seems like a very normal building it's great
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except all the women and it seems innocuous to a certain extent sure pretty normal seems like some kind of he
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seems like a piggy guy who just wants to like hire women he's like Doug Dimmadome
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there you go well this part was important to him like that it was important to him to have a
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very front-facing business model a very front-facing looking building that yeah no one could question but what was more
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important to him was these Macabre little details that were going to be hidden inside the bones of the building
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they were much more important and much more exciting to him in particular to us they're [ __ ] horrifying to give you
00:28:17
an idea some of the features he wanted was a giant shoot that was what would extend from one of the apartments on the
00:28:23
second floor all the way down to a secret chamber in the basement that would seal off
00:28:28
then he also wanted a large room in his own personal apartment that you would have to walk into and then there was a
00:28:35
walk-in vault in that that was airtight with iron walls oh why would you want that also how do you talk to the
00:28:41
contractors don't worry about it he also wanted gas jets throughout the entire building that would be controlled only
00:28:49
in his personal office so he could turn on gas and just gas you anywhere he wanted to no one's going to notice that
00:28:56
in the blueprint nope he also don't worry we're gonna get to that he also wanted a large basement with secret
00:29:01
storage chambers inside that would seal off okay and like you said your first thought is
00:29:07
how you gonna get this built my guy right how are you gonna do this well he wanted this all to be very practical
00:29:13
from the sense of his murderous intentions obviously he needed easy ways of disposing of and hiding dead bodies
00:29:19
he was not willing to bend on any of this this was his vision but he also wanted this psychological aspect to it
00:29:26
like he knew this was all there but no one else was going to know this was there he knew the gas jets would be
00:29:32
there but the guests wouldn't and he loved the idea of this like whole like I know but they don't kind of thing and it
00:29:38
all just fed into his desire to like just [ __ ] with people yeah and also kill people but he knew like we do that even
00:29:46
though he wasn't willing to bend on any of this he was making this happen he knew that um these curious design
00:29:53
aspects draw a little suspicion from any architect like you said perhaps so without any kind of skill set in
00:30:01
designer building he actually began drawing up plans for the building himself that's really crazy yeah that's
00:30:06
the thing that kills me with him he's one of those people that you're like you could have done something great if you
00:30:12
would just put your mind to it like you weren't a brilliant guy but you had a working you had hard work ethic when you
00:30:18
put your [ __ ] mind to it but nothing terrible causes exactly and it's like like this like you're learning a skill
00:30:25
set yourself to do it would ask you something but you're accomplishing a skill set to build a Murder Castle
00:30:30
because you're scared someone will figure it out what a wild [ __ ] like like this too like this is just real
00:30:37
like what this is real and what's so there was a population boom in Chicago like I said at the time people were
00:30:44
moving over there and it meant that there was going to be no shortage of Labor like people were going to be
00:30:49
wanting to work on these kind of things but there was again still that problem that these workers were going to ask too
00:30:54
many questions friends so even though he had put together the blueprints and he was gonna have
00:30:59
somebody help him he devised a strategy that would allow him to get the building constructed
00:31:04
without any suspicions the plan was he was going to constantly change the Architects buildings laborers none of
00:31:12
them were going to be able to get a clear or complete picture of what was being built they wouldn't be able to ask
00:31:18
any questions because they were only going to get bits and pieces of it I feel like that's like that's such a
00:31:23
gamble to take his whole life was a [ __ ] gamble everything he did was a gamble I'm just thinking of like work
00:31:28
we've had to do on the house and I'm like wow I can't imagine being like okay you finished that now I'm gonna call
00:31:32
someone out like you just and what he would do was he would just not pay the person and be like [ __ ] you you're
00:31:37
you're fired like just bring someone else in and be like okay start working on this you're creating so many issues
00:31:43
for yourself and they would just be more confused really like they'd just be like
00:31:46
what and not realize how weird all of this was together and also due to the lacks inspection processes in Chicago at
00:31:55
the time and the limited protections for Laborers he was going to be able to get
00:31:59
away with not really paying right buddy like it really wasn't going to be an issue like you were saying two people
00:32:04
are so desperate for work that they're probably not asking that many questions exactly that's the other thing he's
00:32:09
banking on that but it is a really like cunningly smart thing to do to one start
00:32:15
the blueprint process yourself to make sure you get all those weird things in there right then hire Architects have
00:32:22
them work a little more on it than fire them before they're done hire another one to build off that other thing hire
00:32:27
fire that one bring in laborers to start building this little extension fire them
00:32:32
when they're done with it hire another one to do that one like that way you're getting it piece milled together and
00:32:37
nobody can fully get a full picture of what's Happening Here maybe they know a shoot is in there but they're like
00:32:42
what's that shoe for and you're like a little garbage bye like it's just no one can really get into the like
00:32:47
nitty-gritty of what's happening it's like you're giving everybody a little piece of the puzzle but like but nothing
00:32:52
that they can jump off of exactly the construction of the quote-unquote Murder Castle which he was calling the Holmes
00:32:59
Castle yeah began in the summer of 1889. again partially working from Holmes's own design Blueprints and also working
00:33:07
from plans partially developed by local Architects um two of which were Charles Berger and
00:33:14
Edward gallner the labor and materials were going to be from Aetna Iron and Steel
00:33:19
Holmes was ready to begin using this Murder Castle before it was even started though like he was like let's go before
00:33:26
the foundation had even been completed he was already making plans to get this thing going
00:33:32
early in the construction he actually approached a bricklayer named George Bowman and he approached him with a very
00:33:39
strange proposition I'm not just a bricklayer just doing his job yeah I know about HH Holmes and Bricks yeah now
00:33:46
Bowman later said he asked me if I wouldn't like to make money easier than what I was doing and of course I told
00:33:53
him yes yeah who wouldn't and according to Bowman he said a few days later he came over to me and pointing down into
00:33:59
the basement said you see that man down there well that's my brother-in-law and he's got no love for me neither have I
00:34:05
for him now it would be the easiest matter for you to drop a stone on that fellow's head while you're working and
00:34:11
I'll give you fifty dollars if you do it what fifty dollars well at the time oh we're
00:34:16
talking about yeah I know I gotta keep remembering girls that's a loss I'm like fifty dollars that's it
00:34:22
for the murder of a man it's honestly unknown what the purpose of this kill proposition was to be quite honest he
00:34:30
probably just wanted to see that he could do it he that's because he wanted to either make money oh that's from some
00:34:35
Avenue by doing this or he was just honestly asking to see if Bowman was a guy he could trust I think he was
00:34:41
looking for a guy he could trust but either way Bowman quit and never returned to the job smart man he was
00:34:46
like bye no thank you trust me though not everyone working the job site was so kind and willing to run away from this
00:34:53
man in April of 1889 Holmes met um excuse me and um it was in it's later than April
00:35:01
in 1889 I had the wrong month Holmes met a carpenter by the name of Benjamin Pizza I think it's Pizza I think you're
00:35:09
right at first pyzel's job was to take care of the horses that were going to be used on the construction site because
00:35:15
again we're in the 1800s uh but oh my God we are we are but over time he actually gained Holmes's trust a lot and
00:35:24
he became like an assistant to homes like a personal assistant pythal was a little like homes he had a history of
00:35:31
petty crimes misdemeanors he's kind of an air dwell and eventually it all caught up to him and he was arrested for
00:35:38
passing bad checks in Indiana while he was out where while he was still working for homes those stand-up months so
00:35:45
Holmes actually bailed paitzell out of jail yeah that's his right hand he paid the amount in bad checks by the way he
00:35:51
bailed him out with bad checks failed the man sitting in jail for bad checks out of jail with bad checks is nothing
00:35:57
but a poet uh piedcell failed to return to Indiana for the trial so now they were just like now babe nothing could
00:36:04
happen they're like we're out Jay-Z and Beyonce On The Run together they're as thick as thieves together because now
00:36:10
they're the boss and the assistant it's like the assistant to the regional manager from the office there you go now
00:36:16
after a year or two the unpaid bills and the schemes and the lying and the fraud
00:36:21
it started to catch up with Holmes that'll happen unfortunately for the most part though individual laborers
00:36:27
many of them were immigrants they had no way of getting the money owed to them that's so funny yeah and that sucks he
00:36:33
just got away with that but remember he's using Aetna Iron and Steel for the supplies that's a major company who
00:36:42
doesn't give a [ __ ] about your feelings so they sued his ass and when he didn't
00:36:46
pay his debts they were like we're [ __ ] taking all this back dude but when they sued him in the fall of uh in
00:36:52
the fall of 1889 he tried to use like usual [ __ ] tactics and excuses that he did to get out of paying them
00:37:00
and one thing he did was he changed the deed on the property to make it look like it was owned by his mother-in-law
00:37:08
yeah so he said he wasn't responsible for the debt because it was in her name how do you just do that he just did that
00:37:17
like what for the most part like so literally he had first registered that deed under a false Alias right but
00:37:25
that's and then when he started getting in trouble he just shifted it all into his mother-in-law's name and was like
00:37:30
these are her deaths I don't know what you're talking about but I love that and like nobody was like yeah dude like
00:37:36
clearly you just did that yeah that's the thing back then you could do that easily you can shift it out like Who's
00:37:41
Gonna Catch You you know you just like write her name in there and you're like there it is you just like check up it on
00:37:46
the previous writing rub it off exactly so for the most part all his like legal [ __ ] was handled by his lawyer Edward
00:37:54
Marr who actually did manage to successfully like push off creditors for a while but he was and he was honestly
00:38:02
his lawyer till he was like executed essentially damn um and he did manage to help him out in
00:38:07
this scenario I think they just like kind of backed off a little bit because it was under her name that was going to
00:38:14
be an issue but you wouldn't think this Murder Castle would be like you would think that this would be a very long
00:38:20
process of building this thing it's huge and with all this complicated it's an annoying long project there's all the
00:38:27
constant turnover of workers and Architects there's legal troubles now associated with it but the actual
00:38:34
construction of the building happened really quickly really it was literally like pretty much done by the end of
00:38:40
1889. Why wow yeah like a year or excuse me it was done by 1890. okay so like um
00:38:47
two-ish years yeah and I think they were putting like finishing touches on it until 91 but it was essentially like
00:38:52
livable at that point um Holmes had already moved Murda Lucy and her mother the one he had thrown the
00:39:00
deeds into into the large Corner apartment on the second floor I think that's how he was able to get away with
00:39:06
doing these kind of things was he would then don't worry about it don't worry about it I'm handling it here's your
00:39:11
beautiful Penthouse yeah like here you go it's like a Jada Essence Hall look over there exactly so yeah they all got
00:39:17
to live on there and a short time later he sold the drugstore across the street the original one that he got from Mrs
00:39:23
Holton um and the new owner who bought it he was like oh like you're gonna love it
00:39:28
here you have no competition there's no other drugstore like you're the only Pharmacy like I'm telling you this place
00:39:33
is gonna be a booming it's great like don't worry about it and he was like oh great business see you later bye he
00:39:39
turns around and opens a new drugstore on the first floor what an actual douchebag yeah but that's a perfect
00:39:46
example of why you don't just have a an agreement By Word of Mouth he's such a dick yeah like he's just such a dick
00:39:52
yeah he does things just to be a dick because he's such a [ __ ] voice he loves it now among the first few because
00:40:02
again you don't know which one is his first murder victim that's so crazy but among the first among them
00:40:09
um in Chicago was John dubry and it was actually one of his investors in the Murder Castle
00:40:16
it was a man that homes owed money to dubry have had actually arrived in Chicago to see the ad the complete
00:40:26
completed construction of the castle and to get his money that he owed uh this was on April 18th 1891 because like I
00:40:33
said in 91 it was like dunsky sure and he hadn't even entered the building when he actually dropped to the ground
00:40:40
outside the pharmacy and began convulsing oh according to Benjamin Nixon who was like uh I think he was in
00:40:47
the jewelry store on the first floor he might have even um owned it I think he saw Holmes rush
00:40:54
outside to debris side and quote port a dark liquid down debris throat and he died immediately
00:41:02
one on the street I wonder so did wood homes have anything to do with his convulsions beforehand or no idea or if
00:41:10
it was just a happy accident that he was able to pour something down his throat that would kill him instantly holy [ __ ]
00:41:16
I don't know but debris death may not like he didn't get any money from it but he didn't lose any money
00:41:23
either well yeah because he's gonna have to pay him yeah get money out of it and he would have
00:41:29
had to pay a small fortune to him I mean he was an investor in the thing that was
00:41:34
a lot he was essentially alone on the castle right he didn't have to pay anymore right so he didn't get money out
00:41:39
of it now during the construction of the castle and into its first year he was engaged in a lot of schemes like little
00:41:47
schemes you know like the the snake oil salesman kind of schemes like he would sell mineral water to people and say it
00:41:54
would like cure all this [ __ ] but it was just vanilla infused tap water sounds
00:41:58
kind of good um he would con widows out of their pensions you know he was very into that
00:42:04
he's such a yeah like low down [ __ ] ass he is a low down just dirt bag yeah he really is I mean he's capable of
00:42:13
murder so obviously but like so low down then every way though the little like like
00:42:25
but he was still very committed but while doing these schemes he was committed to his murder-for-profit idea
00:42:31
that was his main thing right and in 1891 shortly after everything was done Holmes approached a woman who did his
00:42:38
laundry and he had he had a proposition or oh God and she was the laundress um for like the actual castle
00:42:46
um and he I know he would pay the one he said I'll pay you six thousand dollars that's a lot back then I'll give you six
00:42:55
thousand dollars to take out a life insurance policy in the amount of ten thousand dollars which is even more and
00:43:01
she was like why the [ __ ] would you pay me to do that like I don't understand why would I do that and he said well
00:43:06
then after you die I would make four thousand dollars Prof profit on the investment and in the meantime you can
00:43:12
spend the six thousand dollars however you want you just get six thousand dollars free and clear
00:43:18
and this woman was really young and her job as a laundress really didn't make her any money so she was going to
00:43:24
absolutely agree to this she was like of course I want six thousand dollars right
00:43:28
now nothing is ever that good like he had her but then he apparently leaned in close to her and softly said
00:43:35
don't be afraid of me and if that was Thomas Shelby sign me up like I will buy that life insurance does
00:43:44
he say that to people like no but I just thought that's something that Thomas Shelby would absolutely do like he has
00:43:49
that Vibe okay like I'm not afraid but this is Herman Webster mudget who smells like scrotum exactly so she immediately
00:43:56
said something about him just I that was off it scared me and she was like I immediately declined the offer anybody
00:44:04
that says don't be afraid of me for out of the blue no reason I'm afraid and I think he was trying to
00:44:12
do the like don't be afraid of me like you know what I mean like aren't I charming and like being so on the nose
00:44:18
that like but you're like you actually are scary like that's what I meant when I said like if Killian Murphy is leaning
00:44:24
into you and saying don't be afraid of me I'm like I'm not you know what though I would still be afraid
00:44:30
Harry mother s could walk up to me and say don't be afraid of me and I'd be like you know
00:44:34
what Harold it's been a good run it's been a good [ __ ] run but Herman Webster mudget says that to me and I'm
00:44:40
like I would run so far away so that this lady was like absolutely not he just like what is wrong with you yeah
00:44:46
he's trying some [ __ ] so it's like when people say like I don't bite I'm like yeah I figured because we're all humans
00:44:51
here yeah exactly so in 1890 like the year before yep after a long bidding and like crazy process it was announced that
00:45:01
the next World's Colombian Exposition would be held in Chicago and it was going to be held between May and October
00:45:07
of 1893. so this timing was supposed to coincide with the celebration of Christopher Columbus's arrival in North
00:45:13
America holy [ __ ] uh the world's Exposition was a huge fair with all the fair accoutrements
00:45:21
um and it was held in and around Jackson Park it was going to be celebrating the
00:45:25
scientific and technological advancements of the modern world it was so funny to think about very mustache
00:45:32
twisty and bowler hat wary and old sport kind of Vibes you know like everyone's got a cane loves it yeah it just feels
00:45:38
right Parasol's in the air yeah okay exactly the fair was going to be a massive spectacle it was going to very
00:45:45
much draw in hundreds of thousands of visitors to Chicago visitors it was going to be a huge huge Boom for the
00:45:53
local economy it was a huge win for them to get it here and a huge win for Mr yeah for Chicago in Holmes he was
00:46:02
probably pretty psyched about tourist dollars coming in like regular ones like you know there was going to be a lot of
00:46:08
Boom in the account economy that's good for everybody but he was not one to waste opportunities that were just going
00:46:14
to stroll into his life especially if it involved bringing unsuspecting women into his orbit exactly so he was like
00:46:21
well this is even better like this works for me so so that's when Ned and Julia Connor arrived in Chicago no they were
00:46:29
in need of work a place to stay and somebody they knew was like you should check with this guy H.H Holmes he's got
00:46:36
a new building I'm sure there's employment opportunities in it there's also places to live like he's a perfect
00:46:41
guy to go to and apparently they were right because he had a jewelry store on the first floor and he happened to need
00:46:49
somebody to work there it was crazy oh wow so Ned was hired like on the spot to work in that jewelry store and they
00:46:56
ended up moving into an apartment in the Holmes Castle better still Holmes was like Julia can
00:47:03
work in the pharmacy with me oh God and I can train her to keep the books like you guys just got two jobs and one
00:47:08
that's wild and then Julia's sister Gertrude moved into the city a few months later and he was like I'll employ
00:47:14
her as well wow what a great guy such a nice guy oh and that's so sad too that they probably were like wow like how
00:47:21
lucky are we yeah and like what a kind guy like he's just like ready to help people who come into the city now to Ned
00:47:29
things felt like wow we've been really struggling and this is finally falling all into place but he said that but
00:47:36
there was always something about H.H Holmes that he said made him uncomfortable was it Justin like it it
00:47:41
was probably the smegma uh he seemed overly interested and attentive to Julian Gertrude yeah I grossed him out
00:47:50
made him feel weird that feeling he continued to feel some type of way about homes as they started become better
00:47:55
acquainted and he said he kept noticing stranger and stranger Behavior he was just an odd guy and he said on one
00:48:02
occasion Holmes was like I got something to show you Ned and he was like okay and
00:48:07
he showed him that large Vault that he'd installed in his uh his apartment and he
00:48:13
showed him another one in the basement and he showed him one in the basement and said Ned step inside no and Ned
00:48:19
stepped inside and he closed the door and before he closed the door he said I just want to show you how well this is
00:48:25
soundproofed oh my God and so he shut the door and he said I shut the door and put my ear to the crack but could only
00:48:31
hear a faint sound and he was immediately worried and put off by the fact that Holmes had made a point of
00:48:38
showing him this weird secret vault and then demonstrating to him how it locks and how by the way Ned no one will hear
00:48:46
you in here he let him out of it so terrible but this was definitely a just so you know this is where I can put you
00:48:53
we're moving out in two and a half minutes goodbye bye now over time during this whole thing because remember Holmes
00:49:02
is paying a lot of attention to Julia like it's getting weird so things between Ned and Julia are becoming
00:49:09
strained right because she's kind of fallen for it again AJ Holmes is very Charming he's got it all he's he's these
00:49:17
women are being told the world they are seeing the world they are seeing him as this very important guy this very
00:49:25
wealthy and connected guy and at the same time they're making money exactly now they're arguing a lot Ned and Julia
00:49:31
and you know he was really having trouble with how much attention was being paid to her and how she was
00:49:37
seeming to like it and he later told reporters I finally told her we could not go on that way I told her that I
00:49:43
told her on a certain day we would quit that she could go her way and I would go
00:49:47
mine and when that day came I did not go upstairs to our room but stayed downstairs and slept in the barbershop
00:49:53
oh that's so sad so when the months let followed this Ned tried to get his relationship back on track he was like
00:49:59
we were fine before right this is ruining everything this guy literally came in and just like took complete
00:50:05
control of it and Gertrude her sister left the city a while later so like she wasn't around anymore so that was just
00:50:11
Julia and he was trying to fix it but during this time Holmes suddenly offered out of nowhere to sell Ned the pharmacy
00:50:19
what on the first floor he does not even have like Pharmacy experience well and he was like I want you to own the store
00:50:25
like not be a pharmacist but I want you to own the business and of course Ned is like hell yeah are
00:50:31
you kidding me and he's like this is going to be the thing that's going to improve me and Julia's relationship I'm
00:50:35
going to be a business owner like I'm going to take her attention but unfortunately the business made things
00:50:41
worse because Holmes had sold it to him knowing he hadn't paid a [ __ ] dime to any of his creditors and now those debts
00:50:48
sorry Ned those are your debts you haven't heard at all so now not only is he struggling to keep this thing afloat
00:50:54
but he's now having creditors coming after him for money but he did that he didn't do no now the issues between Ned
00:51:02
and Julia were made way worse by the fact that Julia had actually given birth to a daughter named Pearl Pearl um so
00:51:09
any divorce would include a pretty unpleasant custody agreement between the two of them so it was getting the
00:51:16
Discord it's just getting worse very contentious but things were not improving between them the pharmacy was
00:51:21
being a huge money pit and a big struggle on both of their lives so Ned told Holmes I took a job with a jewelry
00:51:28
company in downtown in Chicago I don't want the pharmacy I want out and a short time after he'd left the castle Ned made
00:51:36
one final attempt to try things to make things work with Julia but by then she was engaged in a full affair with Holmes
00:51:44
very uninterested in Ned Julia refused to get back together and Ned packed up his things and moved to Gilman Illinois
00:51:53
and he filed for divorce and he signaled his intent to gain custody of pearl I hope he did
00:52:00
keep hoping that so by the Fall why you say that to me so by the Fall Holmes had
00:52:06
moved murta and Lucy yeah his wife and child you might remember yeah were they living Sorry were they in his apartment
00:52:13
or were they in the oh they were in here in his apartment uh remember he's also married to Clara still yep and murder
00:52:19
and he's also having an affair with Julia yeah so how does he even keep all the names straight yep so uh well don't
00:52:25
worry he moved Murda and Lucy his wife and child um into a house several miles away okay in downtown Chicago and he was
00:52:32
just spending most of his time at the castle where murder didn't know it but he was having a full-blown affair with
00:52:37
Julia Connor so this affair was super intense like very passionate very intense and Holmes kept telling her I'm
00:52:45
going to marry you I'm going to marry you and it's like my guy you're married to two other women you're not even
00:52:51
supposed to be married to the woman you're married to and Julian knows that he's married and it's like if he's
00:52:56
telling you he's gonna marry you do you really think that means that much to him
00:52:59
no no so he's constantly promising he's going to marry her but once Ned left Chicago
00:53:06
suddenly it all yeah because it's not as exciting yeah all of a sudden he'd lost interest the
00:53:13
risk of getting caught was gone there was really no there's no confirmation fruit anymore right and he's
00:53:18
uninterested by it that's so [ __ ] so by November of 19 of 1891 Julia told Holmes that she was pregnant
00:53:26
again yeah oh remember Pearl is Ned's child yes yes no I know but she's pregnant again oh no uh so said now you
00:53:35
have to marry me he doesn't think so Holmes was like okay and then he was like yeah I guess I do
00:53:42
have to marry you so he was like yep I'll marry you but on one condition and she was like what is that and he said
00:53:48
you're gonna get an abortion oh my God and he said and I'm gonna perform it oh god oh no Julia reluctantly agreed
00:53:57
and several weeks later she was on an operating table that he had put together in one of the empty apartments on the
00:54:05
second floor of the House of the castle that's dirty she's on the table he poured chloroform onto a rag and held it
00:54:12
to her mouth and nose to sedate her but he should have only had to do that for like a second instead he just held it on
00:54:20
there held it into place and continuously dripped more and more chloroform onto the rag while it was on
00:54:26
her face she struggled to get off and tried to fight him off but after several minutes of this horrific torture he felt
00:54:33
for a pulse and she was gone as well as The Unborn Child wow wild that he could do that to a woman carrying his child
00:54:41
too it gets worse oh he then walked into Pearl's bedroom oh no and did the exact
00:54:47
same thing to Pearl oh a child who was likely about five or six oh my god oh I hate him so much or maybe not
00:54:57
even she might have been like four oh my God now once everybody was dead Holmes contacted a man named Charles Chapel who
00:55:06
homes uh knew was a trained articulator what is that a person trained in stripping the flesh from human bodies in
00:55:12
preparation for medical instruction which I never asked yeah uh he'd make them into an articulated skeleton
00:55:18
essentially great Charles Chapel asked absolutely no questions when he was led to An Empty Apartment in the castle
00:55:24
where a dead body was he knew Holmes was a doctor and he just kind of accepted the claim that he had been doing some
00:55:31
kind of dissection and he wanted this body cleaned so we offered him 36 dollars to clean the body make a fully
00:55:38
articulated skeleton and skull and he was like sure so Chapel returned the body afterwards and he homes sold her
00:55:47
skeleton to the heinemann Medical College Chicago no one knows what happened to Pearl
00:55:55
but when investigators excavated the basement of the castle they did find the bones of a child between the what they
00:56:01
think is the ages of four to ten years old oh so it could have been her sweet Pearl now in the days after this Julia's
00:56:09
neighbors Mr and Mrs John Crow who worked who lived in the in the castle asked about her and pearl where did she
00:56:18
go where did they suddenly disappear and no one else in the building had seen them for days and finally they caught up
00:56:23
with homes and they were like what happened and he was like oh Julian pearl left early for a planned trip to
00:56:29
Davenport Iowa um obviously like you didn't she tell you and they were like I don't know
00:56:37
about that but they were like okay I guess we have to just accept this explanation right and it was only after
00:56:41
his arrest that they learned that Julia had never gone to Davenport oh they didn't learn until after he was arrested
00:56:46
and then imagine like obviously they have no reason to yeah so in January 1892 a new family moved
00:56:55
into the Connor's old apartment the Julia Ned Connors apartment and Pearl and when they arrived in to move in
00:57:04
they found it completely the way it was the dishes were still out on the table Pearl's clothes were laid out on a chair
00:57:12
oh my God it was like they had just walked out one afternoon and never returned which is because what happened
00:57:18
what happened great Holmes explained to them that Julia the person who had lived
00:57:22
here before her sister had become ill a few weeks earlier and she and pearl had had to leave right away to tend to her
00:57:29
and according to Holmes there was no need to pack up their belongings as Julian Pearl were well provided for and
00:57:35
would not be coming back I'd be like yeah that's great but like you're the landlord you should have worse
00:57:41
yeah like what the [ __ ] like I have to just like take all this [ __ ] out of here
00:57:45
now and move mine in yep now he gave a different version of this story to others when they asked because of course
00:57:51
he's giving three different things about what happened to Julia and pearl it's also like maybe you should stick with
00:57:56
the same story brother yeah I mean glad you didn't but yeah when others asked he
00:58:01
claimed that Julia had briefly come back in early January to settle up rent she told him and at that time quote
00:58:07
announced not only to me but to her neighbors and friends that she was going away yeah she didn't say that to anybody
00:58:14
though but apparently he knew ahead of time that Julia had mentioned to others that she had plans to visit her sister
00:58:20
in Iowa at some point so the story would seem legit he had planned this all out [ __ ] he also vehemently denied any
00:58:28
claims or rumors that he had any kind of inappropriate sexual relationship with Julia they were just friends what are
00:58:34
you talking about yeah for sure even though like it was very clear like very very clear like Ned knew everybody knew
00:58:42
but he later said quote that she is a woman of quick temper and perhaps not always a good disposition may be true
00:58:49
but that any of her friends and relatives will believe her to be an amoral woman or one who would be a party
00:58:55
to a criminal act I do not think okay Jan um so that happened in the spring of 1892
00:59:03
Benjamin pyzell his assistant there not this [ __ ] he traveled to Dwight Illinois
00:59:08
which is a small village about 25 miles from Chicago I found this interesting because immediately for some reason I
00:59:15
thought of him like I made the little quip about him being like assistant to the regional manager yeah and then wife
00:59:20
traveled to Dwight Illinois that is funny um but he went there because he was getting treatment for alcoholism but uh
00:59:28
Ben was uh Benjamin yeah he was doing that at the Keely Institute and while he was there receiving treatment he met a
00:59:35
young woman named Emmeline segrand and at that time she was working as a stenographer for The Institute what's
00:59:41
this sonographer yeah the like typer right person um takes a transcription and pyth cell
00:59:47
was just taken by her beauty like he saw her away just like oh my God so when he
00:59:52
returned home from to Chicago after the treatment he told Holmes All About This Magnificent beautiful young woman girl
01:00:00
shut your mouth oh he did this on purpose he knew that Holmes would be seriously interested in this he was
01:00:05
doing his job as his assistant I found you a pretty young thing but he's oh I I'm here I am thinking
01:00:11
that like he's in love with this oh no he said she's just she's just beautiful you should kill her hey she's this
01:00:16
beautiful young woman you would probably like her oh my God so he knew that he would be very interested in this and he
01:00:22
was right he loved the idea of a beautiful woman almost as much as she loved the idea of killing a beautiful
01:00:27
woman so Holmes wrote to Emmeline and based only on pietzel's description he wrote to her like wow heard pietzel's
01:00:36
description he was like gotta write to this girl very King Henry VIII very much and he offered her a job at twice the
01:00:42
salary she was making now as a stenographer at the Keely Institute so of course she was like uh yeah like
01:00:49
twice the salary or anything he would sign up for that so she arrives in Chicago she finds a room at a boarding
01:00:54
house and she begins work as Holmes's assistant with the ABC copying company which is one of his sham businesses that
01:01:02
was operating on the first floor he had a [ __ ] ton of those he had like a closing company yeah right and he had he
01:01:07
had like a glass bending business down there that was a sham too but the landlady of the boarding house she was
01:01:13
staying at called segrand a very pretty girl and was a favorite among the borders so she seldom went out with any
01:01:20
of the young men so she's known very much so as a beautiful woman but apparently she immediately liked
01:01:27
Holmes he was all over her praising her constantly spoiling her with attention and gifts and the landlady later said
01:01:34
she was greatly infatuated with Holmes and never ceased talking about him I did not like him he could not look one in
01:01:41
the face to me this signals a little bit of a difference to the he didn't look you in the eyes thing he wouldn't even
01:01:48
look you in the face yeah like this guy there is a little there's something there there like that's different than
01:01:53
the strabismus kind of situation where he can't like focus on your eyes exactly he wasn't even looking you in the face
01:01:58
it's also like all these women are taken with him the women that are taken with him work beneath him exactly so it's
01:02:05
that whole like power oh like man and power kind of yeah but the women who are like I don't know I always thought he
01:02:09
was going to murder someone yeah we're just the ones that are doing their own thing right and it wasn't long until he
01:02:16
shammed his way into a romantic relationship with poor Emeline now other employees noticed like at the castle in
01:02:22
the different businesses they noticed and everyone around them knew something was going on one of Holmes's Castle
01:02:28
tenants Dr Maurice Lawrence told the inter-ocean we felt that she was be she was to be more pitied than blamed he was
01:02:36
apparently very kind to her always buying flowers and presents for her and taking her to the theater and places of
01:02:42
entertainment they always they nearly always ate their meals together in his office having them sent up from the
01:02:48
restaurant on the first floor so they're living this like beautiful life of eating like lunches together and
01:02:54
buying or things taking her out very much like just showering her I'd like to realize he is married to Clara he is
01:03:03
also married to murder he has a child Lucy he was carrying on affair with a woman named Julia who had a child named
01:03:10
Pearl who was also pregnant with his child he murdered Julia and that child in Pearl and is still married to Murda
01:03:17
and Clara and Clara has a son with him George Robert Robert why did I say George I was like we were like actually
01:03:24
yeah absolutely now which is just like what the [ __ ] so at this point he would
01:03:29
have had three children at this point he would have had three children okay okay
01:03:34
um or no he would have had two children because Pearl was not his but she was pregnant Julia yeah but he just says
01:03:40
Robert and Lucy oh and Lucy yes you're right you're correct yeah um so he's Robert
01:03:46
Lucy and he would have had Julia's child so yeah he would have had he would have
01:03:49
had a child technically absolutely what a [ __ ] [ __ ] actual piece of [ __ ] uh and murders just across town yeah
01:03:57
like a few miles away and he's carrying on this like very public Affair and she has no idea and according to the
01:04:04
everything she doesn't know okay and if she did she was like [ __ ] you now in the
01:04:09
winter of 1892 Emmeline told several people she would be returning to Lafayette Indiana to visit her parents
01:04:17
for a few weeks before Christmas now according to her cousin Dr B.J segrand who'd visited with her very
01:04:24
shortly before she was scheduled to leave he said Miss Mr Grand was changing her feelings towards homes
01:04:30
like something happened that turned her off don't know what maybe he leaned in and said don't be afraid don't be afraid
01:04:36
of me because then several days passed and no one in Inglewood had seen or heard from Emily Instagram no when the
01:04:45
wife of Dr Maurice Lawrence the tenant in the castle who had that other quote asked like about her two homes he simply
01:04:53
said quote oh she's gone away to get married oh what this obviously was a little
01:05:00
weird because uh she'd never dated anyone but him it was pretty clear that they were in a relationship and Emily
01:05:06
never mentioned leaving early and no one ever heard of Emeline being engaged to someone else
01:05:11
also she said that she was very put off about how he spoke about it he was very anxious appearing
01:05:17
he couldn't look at her when he said it he was very monotone he didn't want to talk too much about it and now this is
01:05:23
the second woman who's just up and left him uh out of suspiciously yeah and it's
01:05:28
to her it felt like he was hiding something and scared it was going to come out if he said too much yeah like
01:05:33
he was really hiding something here and so the next day she notices that she sees homes and two
01:05:41
of his assistants carrying a heavy trunk out of the castle and loading it into a
01:05:45
wagon one day after that Holmes left Chicago for the house in Wilmette where Merta
01:05:51
and Lucy lived and murdered his parents because remember he's married with a child two times over I just want to keep
01:05:58
reminding you of that he went to his wife's house when he returned a few days later he
01:06:03
made a point of showing Mrs Lawrence in particular who had asked about Emmeline he showed her an envelope that
01:06:10
he'd got containing cards announcing Emily's supposed wedding to Robert Phelps on December 7th 1892. as if she would
01:06:19
send him a wedding invitation or announcement well a few weeks later emmeline's trunk arrived at her parents
01:06:26
house in Indiana it had all her clothes all her belongings that she had taken with her when she left for that job
01:06:33
and according to Eric Larson's book her parents hoped that she'd sent the trunk trunk because she must now be marrying a
01:06:41
wealthy man and she doesn't need all this old stuff didn't say that but her cousin BJ pointed out that Emmeline was
01:06:48
in the habit of writing her parents two or three times a week right if that was the case she definitely would have
01:06:53
written and she had not written so you think the big trunk was all her things that they moved out oh no I think she
01:06:59
was in that big trouble and they disposed of her along the way I think she so whatever the case the
01:07:05
trunk arrived that was the last time that her family got anything from her now according to Holmes's confession
01:07:11
leader Emmeline quote had become almost indispensable in my office work and the idea of losing her to an unknown fiance
01:07:19
and Dwight was unacceptable so he stuck with that so he said I endeavored upon several occasions to take the life of
01:07:27
the young man and failing in this I finally resolved that I would kill her instead
01:07:32
um I don't think so so he claimed he lured Emeline into the large vault in his office and closed the door causing
01:07:41
her quote to suffer the tortures of a slow and lingering death Jesus Christ what is worse about this is it's very
01:07:49
likely true yeah I believe it was he tested it out with uh Ned the name Phelps which is supposedly her fiance's
01:07:56
name was a known Alias of Benjamin beitzel which he was using around the time he
01:08:02
would have met emelina at the Keeley Institute oh [ __ ] never existed and then people would have been like oh yeah like
01:08:08
she did talk to a guy named Phelps now two on January 2nd after she disappeared the fall in uh 93 Holmes asked Charles
01:08:16
Chappelle for help now do you remember Charles Chappelle is the articulator uh-huh and he said
01:08:22
Holmes sent him a trunk containing a young woman's body to be stripped of Flesh and articulated now a few weeks
01:08:30
later the LaSalle Medical College of Chicago received a delivery of a nicely articulated skeleton
01:08:37
oh no when police searched the castle after he was arrested inside that large Vault that they said he said he put her
01:08:44
in they found a woman's footprint in the enamel on the wall and it was made with
01:08:49
so much force that it was unable to be wiped off oh my God she was trying to escape and like kick her way out of
01:08:55
there was true so brutal and he was selling their articulated skeletons to medical
01:09:03
colleges those medical colleges must have been haunted as like what the [ __ ] and that is where we are going to end
01:09:13
for part two I didn't see that coming you [ __ ] because we're gonna get some more trust we have a lot more
01:09:19
coming and it's a lot so we're gonna and I want to look into the the Jack the Ripper thing a little more for part
01:09:26
three I want to like to see if I can get into that a little more yeah so uh hang
01:09:31
tight okay but he's he's just gotten started and he's already this bad so awesome Yep
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so that is part two of HH Holmes we have the Murder Castle being built we have it
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being in full operation so far we haven't seen the um the little Macabre element all the Macabre elements being
01:09:54
used we've seen that Vault being used quite a bit yeah we have we have seen that a lot yeah but I'm scared there's
01:10:00
yeah there's a lot that's about to happen and I'd like you guys to hang tight and I'm scared about the bricks of
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it all yeah just just hold on to your butts you know okey dokey smoking well we love you and we hope you keep
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listening and we hope you keep it weird you already know the drill you don't don't do don't ever
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