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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and I'm Alisa and this is a special edition of
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[Music] morbid so special this is so cool we have Alisa Kelly on the show today bestselling author professional
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astrologer and host of PA's new show horoscope weekly with Alisa Kelly welcome welcome thank you so much I'm so
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excited to be here a fellow weirdo I love that a lifelong weirdo weirdo The Vibes are right yes we knew immediately
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we were like oh weirdos unite I mean I can I could sniff out a weirdo from miles away so yeah this is perfect home
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sweet home for me you love it game see game so we're going to be getting into Alena's Roman Empire uh the Salem Witch
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Trials again I know you all said that before Ash did they were like oh we're talking about Sal they like really
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either Jack the Ripper or Salem was one of those two things one of the two but we're putting a fun spin on it this time
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and we're going to talk about like the astrological events that were going on and um just to start us off Alisa how
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did you get into astrology was it something you've always been interested in was it something that just like
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knocked on your door well I mean it's sort of a combination I mean as as I mentioned lifelong weirdo here you know
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so I don't think that anyone was surprised when I started to gravitate more towards astrology but at the same
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time I was really quite surprised by it I was in my early 20s I was living in Los Angeles I was at that time working I
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had graduated with a degree in art history I was working in Galleries and I was finding myself increasingly
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dissatisfied with my life and just feeling that I mean what we all go through in our early
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or many of us do the sense of like confusion who am I what am I doing and I started to try to solve that puzzle and
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I found my birth chart I found out that Not only was I a Leo's son which I related to a little bit but not fully
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but discovering I was a Pisces moon really oh my God at that it's a big breakthrough when you get that placement
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yeah and it unlocked so much for me and then from there I just you know I kept researching
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I kept studying um and then I started to realize that you know this language was
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something that wasn't just applicable to me but other people were also interested
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in my interpretations of what was going on with their charts so gradually it just started to build and there was a
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whole Host this was 10 years ago now so this there was a whole host of things that happened I started an astrology
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dating app in 10 years ago with a friend from college we were sort of ahead of the curve on that such a cool idea yeah
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it was amazing I mean it was also right when Tinder and hinge and all of this were coming out smart so it was sort of
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recognizing like here's an interesting space where people want to be making these connections but it right now it's
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so superficial um so just s starting to realize and starting to sort of create this more modern vocabulary around
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astrology has always been something that was really significant and meaningful to
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me especially because when I started it was still very much reserved for like cookie aunts in Santa Fe you know like
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it was like you were wearing like big turquoise jewelry and like going through beads to talk about astrology and I
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wanted to find a way to make it relevant um because I saw how valuable it was and
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how instrumental it was for helping people connect the dots and figure out who they were holistically and that's
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what I've really been doing in in various ways in various formats ever since um I am really so passionate about it
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because I really think it is a beautiful way of building confidence empowerment compassion understanding who you are
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understanding what the people in your life are about and of course we can use it for cool things like looking back
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into the past like what we're going to do today right and seeing what was going on what were the trends and that is
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really valuable you know it's valuable to see patterns and to recognize where things keep coming up where those pain
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points are so that we can ideally learn from them and not do Salem with trials all over again that's right that's the
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thing because I feel like everybody knows their sun sign and like knows a little bit about astrology but when you
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really start to look into it it can tell you all these different things and like
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looking into the Stars over Salem I feel like it's going to be so interesting yeah and what you said about like being
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more like like knowing more about yourself when you start learning more about your zodiac and like what's your
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chart what's going on that's what cuz Ash like started getting into it and telling me more about things about me
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and it helped me understand you better and it helped me understand myself better and it's like and then helped me
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understand you know like my relationship with you like a Gemini why certain things like work and why certain things
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are like iffy and why certain you know why we do this and it's I I don't think people look into it far enough that way
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and it's like it's really helpful when you it can make you sit there and go like oh that's why I'm that way like
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that checks like validates something always said is that to me you know the question of whether astrology is or
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isn't real is less significant than recognizing that when we have astrological conversations we have
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better conversations we have richer conversations we open up we're vulnerable we really are like allowing
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ourselves to be multi-dimensional which is Tru but it's often you know we whether or not we are even intending to
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we sort of stick to our own stereotypes you we we are a certain way and we show up
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as that way and with astrology we are reminded of the fact that no how you present yourself might not be how you
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feel and how you communicate might not be what motivates you and that each one of these pieces of you has its own
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merits and has its own strengths and also of course its own weaknesses so that we can see holistically how we sort
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of move through the world yeah absolutely I think the more into you into it you the harder it is to deny
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that it's real and I think having this conversation today is going to prove that big time yeah I mean I will never
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argue with the efficacy of astrology I've seen it it changed my life in or you know working with it and
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understanding how these planets move and seeing their patterns is is really wild
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you know it's it was wild to be an astrologer in 20120 and it was wild to be an astrologer in 2018 and 2019
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looking at the astrology of 202 something big is coming God just not knowing what it was yeah and I have you
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all of my receipts from back then in sort of being like you know let's keep focused on 2020 cuz something is really
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interesting going to have in here wow not of course knowing what it was because that was not within my sort of
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purview to understand but then at that time to see okay when Jupiter and Saturn connect these types of things happen as
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has been reported over history when Saturn and Pluto connect these types of things happen and it all really lined up
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so I really you know it's been for this duration of time for a decade of doing astrology I can say that it is there is
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really something to it you know it really does check out and it definitely checks out in these charts too it's
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going to be so interesting to hear some of these things I feel like it's going to be like dingding all of a sudden it's
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just going be like oh okay so that was happening because it's a mass hysteria event that you no one's been able to
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explain I mean people go into like the Urgot poisoning Theory where it's like you know there was a fungus on the wheat
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that they were making the bread with and everybody to it lose it and it's like but maybe there's more to this like that
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mass hysteria just seemed too much for like you know a fungus to be the reason or for just people having group think to
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be the reason it's like maybe there is something that was going on that kind of set everybody off yeah and I guess you
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know what I how I want to sort of preface all of this is that when we talk about astrology we have to remind
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ourselves that we can't and we're not talking about it on a binary of good or bad um astrology is much more complex
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than just there being a positive and negative right like there's lots of manifestations of how these different
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planets in their different zodiac signs can come to fruition so just because if you know if we find ourselves talking
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about Gemini which we're going to gem Gemini listeners are all Salem witch trial are accusers you know yeah
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exactly it doesn't mean that they are the ones who are they're the problem right it's not us guys they're not the
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problem it's it's interesting because we're definitely going to talk about a lot of things that are sort of oddly
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parallel to where we are today and it doesn't mean that we are currently living in the same conditions as
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these Puritans we're living in in colonial America you know obviously life is very different and things are very
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different but what's cool about astrology is that we can start to see well if we take this path instead of
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another path this is how these energies could play out right the and in the case
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of these Tri and in all of these individuals who were involved in it they were definitely
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doing sort of like the less ideal version of their signs and of these def but that doesn't mean that they had
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to you know how it played out here in this context so that's sort of like my disclaimer as we go into this I mean
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I'll also I will say no Capricorn to be found among this whole thing but but that doesn't even mean anything I'm just
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saying I'm just saying I'm sure you have your own you're like the Crusades I going to say I'm sure we
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have we'll find the Capricorn era we will find one Alisa's return to morbid will be the Capricorn era y like I found
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one this is what you did exactly can you explain exactly what a birth chart is just in case people don't
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know what because we're going to be talking about a lot of dates a lot of birthdays just so people understand like
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what this is all encompassing so a birth chart is a snapshot of the sky at the ex
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act moment of a birth or an event so when we look at a birth chart we can see where all of the planets were in at that
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moment and each planet in astrology has a role it has something that it's doing it's signifying something and then the
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way in which it does that thing that it does is in the zodiac sign that it occupies so if we have the planet Uranus
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which is the planet of Revolution and Innovation it's going to express itself differently in in Taurus which is an
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earth sign it's about sort of groundedness and practicality versus in Gemini which is an air sign that has to
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do with Curiosities and Innovation and and new sort of connections and new ways of thinking so when we look at all of
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these different planets we're going to get a sense of what was the atmosphere what was going on in the backdrop of
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this time and especially as we look to see sort of these events unfolding what's cool and what I observed as I was
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pulling them is that there's sort of this Crescendo that happens um throughout this year and again you know
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there were many points where it didn't have to go as far as it went and to me that's also really compelling because
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there were so many points where it was like you could you have this big thing coming up and we're going to talk about
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what that big thing was in the year 1692 and we sort of Applied this storyline to that big thing and that's
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how it manifested unfolded in this case that's so I'm so excited to get into this cuz I feel this is just such an
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interesting way to look at this definitely so I think what we'll start with is we're going to start with where
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it all kicked off so the Salem Witch Trials began in January 1692 um they didn't end until May 1693
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we'll go through a few dates in between there um but I think what we'll start with is can we start with when they all
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began in January yeah and I love this because I think that this chart really sort of
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establishes what was happening right and this chart to me this we have this January 15 1692 date and this sort of
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kicks off um the story right so this is really the birth chart of the Salem with
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which trial to me a good way of looking at it it is yeah and there's some really
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interesting things so well it was Capricorn season oh no boom Oh we found it we found it right off the bat right
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the first thing univers being like sit downa Max Elena sit down she did start during Capricorn
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season damn so but when we look at um something as significant as this we're not going to pay as much attention to
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the personal planets is what they're called which are the Sun the moon Mercury Venus we'll pay a little
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attention to Mars because it's kind of between those but those planets that I just mentioned before they're important
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but they aren't as much of the generational backdrop as the slower moving planets so Mars is sort of a a
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between but definitely Jupiter Saturn Uranus Neptune and Pluto we're really curious about what's going on with those
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because those are defining what that Zeitgeist is that's what the era is um so some interesting things going on at
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this time we had Jupiter and Taurus uh I'll go through it first so sort of run down the list um so we actually it's
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when it starts on January 15th 1692 we have Mars retrograde in Gemini Jupiter is in Taurus Uranus is in Gemini that's
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a really important one so flag that we have um Saturn in Sagittarius also something to flag Neptune is in Pisces
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and Pluto is in the final degrees of being in cancer so all of that um there each one of these planets is doing
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something specific and unique at this time but when I pulled this chart the first thing that stood out to me was
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Jupiter and Taurus that's kind of familiar we actually just had Jupiter in Taurus in the sky right now Jupiter was
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in Taurus all of last year in 2023 oh wow so that terrifying you know but that happens that's not that crazy that
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happens every 12 years so okay there's a cycle around that but then as I kept sort of poking around I also was
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thinking about and anticipating that throughout this year we're going to have Jupiter sinking up with Uranus at some
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point in in 1692 that just just happened and that one isn't that common oh that's just
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happened where Jupiter and Uranus that was April of 2024 that those two synced up again and then as I'm continuing to
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go around here I see Neptune is in Pisces in this chart Neptune is in Pisces right now wow in the sky wow and
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that one is really rare that one is a really that's an 144 year orbit so that one does not happen very often that's
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it's it's very special to have Neptune and Pisces and I would say that Neptune and Pisces is going to be a very plays a
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very significant role in all of this in all of these trials um for us right now Neptune went into Pisces in 2011 and is
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going to be leaving Pisces in 2025 so we're at the final end of Neptune's journey through Pisces I'm going to
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explain what this means in just a bit as well but just sort of to this is my like
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flyby of what's going on here um the last thing that is really curious to me is that we had Pluto which is the planet
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of transformation at the final degrees of cancer why is that so interesting well currently we have Pluto at the
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final degrees of Capricorn Cancer and Capricorn are opposites so it's exactly 180° away from where it was during the
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Salem Witch Trials wow so when I told this chart I was shook yeah I was shooketh because I knew that this chart
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was going to be interesting duh interesting thing but not that interesting not that interesting not
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such a parallel to where things are right now wow which then of course is why I needed to have this little preface
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at the beginning cuz I don't want to scare people into being like oh no it's coming Tri but there is something to be
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said for where we are now we find ourselves you know quite a lot into the future from this time and yet somehow I
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I can imagine that we can relate to this story of mass hysteria and that it is something that we as a society are
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constantly needing to sort of check ourselves was just going to say always have to check ourselves before it tips
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over yes and obviously the conditions of being in colonial America are very different than today but it is
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interesting how with similar sort of transits we find ourselves almost always edging on mass hysteria wow that is wild
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that is interesting we're just somehow better able to pull it back from the brink this time but if it was in a
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different environment a different time a different you know series going it could
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keep tipping over yes and because we have stories like this right stories like this are powerful reminders of what
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could happen if we don't reain it in I don't know if if our friends here you know all of the names that we're going
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to start mentioning the Proctors the cor the Putnams if was there a precedent for
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this at that time that they were citing and referencing and being like careful because in the year 13
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were these scary things like they were so probably swept up in this moment that they weren't aware of the fact that this
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was that there was a sort of a cautionary tale to be said for it and it does feel like there's so many and I'm
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sure we'll get to like there's so many times during these trials where you're like you could have stopped like you
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could have stopped why isn't anyone stopping like why are we taking it further and they just didn't they just
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kept tipping it over and they kept making it worse and worse finally it did explode and everybody's like wait a
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second maybe we've overdone it here maybe this isn't okay yeah that's exactly right so just to sort of
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summarize what these planets are doing here and sort of the the snapshot of the sky when the trials began um there was a
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really interesting we were sort of walking this line and we were at this Edge between story lines which is kind
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of where we find ourselves right now with Pluto being in the final degrees of cancer Pluto is the planet of
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transformation but it also is the underbelly of things it really likes to go deep and expose it's definitely very
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connected to sort of the esoteric and the Arcane and witchy things love that yeah love it I mean witch witch is great
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we love witches yeah people being falsely accused of Witchcraft don't love it right don't
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love that ha that actually it and I feel like that's sort of you know it this chart want wanted
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to understand yeah you know this chart was really deeply trying to get to what is the truth of what is going on here
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and I think that it backfired abely I think you know I it it sort of where that truth was was misdirected but I can
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relate to this chart in it being very curious in it being very sort of um interested in what is going on behind
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the scenes and trying to understand sort of the core narrative and I think the attention was really on sort of like
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what's you know there's all of these weird things happening but what's really at the root of it like what's the Deep
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narrative here and it was this false accusation you know is what is how they manifested that on a good day this chart
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could be a cult chart could be witchy this chart could be interested in journalism you know this chart could be
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sort of spilling the tea but it wouldn't and exposing things but it would do so with more morals attached to it rain it
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in a little makes sense and it's true because this this exposed so much these trials like these they exposed the
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issues with puritanism it exposed the issues with the colony as a whole Expos some you know issues with the trial
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system how they laws that they were coming it's big families in Salem and the surrounding you know towns that were
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doing things out of vengefulness and you know grabbing land whenever they could so it exposed so much right like in a
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horrible way it's horrible that we had to go through all that to expose all these things but it really it was a huge
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exposition of people for sure right and that's really interesting because it's what they thought they were exposing
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turned out to be the the falsity right but what was actually exposed was the Injustice and was the sort of the the
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power dynamics and it was the this really Wackadoo court system it's so true yeah big time which is wild well
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this is so when when it first began it was basically Betty Paris and Abigail Williams who were the first accusers and
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they were um they you know they got our girl Tiba they got Sarah Osborne and they got Sarah good for the you know why
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they were Afflicted and the examinations of the accused began on March 1st of 1692 so I feel like that's a pretty
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pertinent date cuz that's when it all kind of kicked off of them doing the physical examinations starting to bring
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the spectral stuff in that's when things started getting wacky so on this day on
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March for 1692 um it was Pisces season the sun was at 11 degrees of Pisces and it was making a conjunction to Neptune I
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mentioned Neptune a minute ago Neptune is the planet of usion and delusion Neptune Neptune things it's it can be
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very mystical um very spiritual very sort of between Realms if we're using Neptune correctly it's sort of our
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ability to be able I mean it's our imagination it's spectral evidence right it's it's our fantasy world that makes
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sense it also interestingly Neptune has to do with the entertainment industry which I think is another interesting
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sort of modern uh Association SM mirrors the sun represents of how we are navigating a dayto day right it's sort
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of this wherever the sun is this is what was going on at that moment and the backdrop of it was that it was connected
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to this very elusive mysterious planet in the sign of Pisces which is also the last sign of the zodiac also a water
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sign elusive mysterious so Sun Neptune conjunction we would absolutely say that that is
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something that has it's high fantasy High fantasy wow yeah look at that spunkers a square to an exact Square to
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Saturn at 11 degrees of Sagittarius Saturn is the planet of rules restriction responsibilities and it also
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it's your house planet yes it is Capricorn is ruled by Saturn um and Saturn also represents the Le system ah
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so we have this High fantasy making this really tight aspect to Saturn in Sagittarius Sagittarius also has to do
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with philosophy religion the legal system so we're seeing a very religious legal system and then we have this harsh
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aspect of square connecting this like Fantastical realm to the legal system and to yes and to our sort of um
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rigorous religious beliefs wow so that's crazy how spot on that is for everything
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happening right and I have I have Goosebumps because the party doesn't just end there so the sun was at 11°
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Saturn was at 11° and Jupiter was at 11° Jupiter also has to do with the amplification of things making something
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bigger wow so there was just the the overall message of this chart was like things are changing
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guess what it's based on fantasy fantasy fantasy land and we're going to bring it
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into the legal system which is supposed to be based on logic but it's ruled by religion here great that's exactly it
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and throughout these charts we see this sort of um well at this point in the charts we don't this actually we end up
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sort of losing sight of this as this the year goes on but at this point in the charts there's this really interesting
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counterbalance between what is real what can I rely on what is factual and then what is fantasy right and there's this
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sort of battle between these two things and eventually we end up sort of completely surrendering to the fantasy
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world you know but as of right now it's this tension it's this sort of like I want this to be a I want this to be a a
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nice place to live like we want things to be safe here we're doing this for the people right yeah the greater good yeah
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the greater good yes but I I guess I should say that the backdrop of this is that we've we're sort of losing touch
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with reality progressively definitely absolutely and it really is this is when it went from like they're Afflicted what
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could this be and then accusations and this is when it jumped up that Notch to the examination period so it makes sense
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that that's that like kick up to the next level yes that's so scary that's terrifying so the next date we have is
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May 14th 1692 this is when this is significant because it's when Sir William fips arrived to take his role as
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the royal governor and William fips does play a big role in all of this eventually ending them or at least
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effectively ending them but this is when he took his role so this is when he began ruling over so the main thing that
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I'm noticing in this chart when I pulled this up is that we have two really uh strong conjunctions happening again a
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conjunction is when multiple planets are meeting at the same point so we have a Sun and Jupiter conjunction the sun was
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at 24° of Taurus Jupiter was at 27° of Taurus Jupiter is the planet of expansion the sun represents sort of
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what we are doing in that day so this is sort of exposing that the events that took place on this day are going to be
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big right it's sort of being like this is important pay attention to what's happening right now interesting Sun
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Jupiter is also generally considered very lucky so there's a sort of if you were to look at this chart you would say
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this there's a sort of like a a something is fortunate or auspicious in the background of this chart um another
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interesting thing is that Pluto that planet of transformation that wants to get to the underbelly of things and Mars
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which is the planet of action and motivation are connected at this time too so simultaneously there's something
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fortunate and auspicious and that desire to want to uncover gets louder and louder wow so those two stories are both
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very present in this chart wow it almost seems like they're like fighting each other with him being appointed Governor
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maybe that's the fortunate thing because eventually he's going to be the one that
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says like hey this is a little crazy but first he's fighting this whole like is this really happening with the witches
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is it not happening do I bring these people to Justice do I not do I want to cleanse our community like I want to go
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with this yeah and there and it's there is this sort of true deep innate desire to want to figure out what is the root
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of what is going on you know and I think that if we give this the benefit of the
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doubt it's very Earnest you know it's very Earnest of like there's something something's weird here in this Colony
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you know something's off something's rot in the state of s you know so what's going on here and I suppose it was
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pretty fortunate that like you know that William fips was appointed governor and
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not somebody who would have kept this going and maybe taken it even taken it further I'm not saying he did the
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greatest job but like he did you know I feel like somebody else could have been a lot worse and it makes sense that he
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didn't do the greatest job cuz he's got this internal battle in the Stars he might be doing the right thing but then
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realizes he is not yes interesting very interesting one this one feels like it's going to be
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like a pretty big moment it's May 27th 1692 it's when seven judges are appointed to the court of oror and
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terminer oror and terminer I I've mentioned this in the episodes we've covered this it means to hear and
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determine and they made this for this and it's Bartholomew gney Nathaniel Sultan stall John hathorne William
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Sergeant Samuel Seawall weight still winthrip which I still think is a really cool name even though not a great guy
00:30:35
it's a banger Willam Sten it's a b great could star but uh that's when they were all
00:30:43
appointed to this court to oversee the trials which is a big deal so I mean it's this is definitely the Tipping
00:30:51
Point feels like it would be May 27th 1692 let's never forget the date because at this on this day Jupiter goes into
00:31:01
Gemini so Jupiter leaves Taurus right and we talked about Jupiter being sort of whatever is expanded Jupiter expands
00:31:09
whatever it's next to so we have this expansive energy now in Gemini at Z degrees it just went in and astrology
00:31:19
heads will know that when a planet goes first enter as a new zodiac sign that energy is off the charts oh it's like
00:31:26
Amplified yeah it it's really it's here to party it's here to party it enter Gemini very loud and we're here to party
00:31:34
and and guess where Jupiter is in the sky right now friends is it in Gemini in Gemini oh that's why I want a party yes
00:31:41
and it's also like kind of chaos yeah it's I love it a little chaotic it's breath summer in the worst
00:31:51
way so Jupiter is moved into Gemini and then we have Uranus in Gemini and then we have the sun in Gemini and then
00:32:00
Chiron the planet of or the asteroid the comet actually of um wounds of our deepest wounds is in Gemini and Mercury
00:32:10
is in Gemini so we have what is called a stellium this is when multiple planets are meeting at the same point in the sky
00:32:17
in Gemini and at this point all of that sort of tan rationality that Jupiter was
00:32:27
holding on to is gone it's it's we are now in a different realm impulsivity station we're in Gemini and I want to
00:32:37
sort of take a moment here because Gemini always gets a lot of push back our Gemini friends are constantly being
00:32:45
ridiculed tell me about it sister yeah tell me about it and there's Geminis are not evil there's nothing inherently evil
00:32:57
about a g Gemini's rule Gemini's rule I think that you know what we should know about Gemini is that they're the first
00:33:04
air sign they're symbolized by the Twins and people spin that to be like oh Jackal and hide maybe I just have a
00:33:13
duality that you don't understand exactly cuz twins are not two- faced that's not what they are so it's a
00:33:18
totally wrong assertion that's exactly right Gemini and twins are are there's they're separate right there's a and
00:33:27
what the symbol symbolizes astrologically is that Geminis are so curious they're so interested in
00:33:34
multiple things that they had to duplicate themselves in order for them to be able to do all of the things and
00:33:40
accomplish all the things that they're they're passionate about so it's really less about like one side and then the
00:33:46
other side and it's more like if we're all so busy that we can't make time in the day to do everything then I have to
00:33:52
just be two people so I can touch upon all the things I'm interested exactly so I think that often our uh push back of
00:34:00
Gemini is really a push back of our own Duality right and it's more it it exposes the the person who is shading on
00:34:09
Gemini as someone who can't really handle their own complexities so Justice for Geminis thank you so much for that
00:34:17
yes I had to say that cuz we're about to really talk [ __ ] about gemin as I say
00:34:25
that I'm not saying that Ash started the Salem Witch Trials but I'm not not saying well I had to say that because
00:34:32
this is now this this this is when the Turning Point happens right this is when the the trials go from we're trying to
00:34:42
do what's best for our community into full-blown Mass hysteria now it's Witch Hunt yes and it's gossip because that is
00:34:51
one of the you know we we can't deny that Geminis love the tea has a sign has a trait that could be
00:35:00
taken either way yeah yeah it's true so in this case um what's really interesting to me is that and we we
00:35:09
mentioned this at the beginning of the episode this Jupiter Uranus conjunction that is looming in you know is sort of
00:35:16
we it's coming in the year 1692 we're working towards this Jupiter Uranus conjunction the same Jupiter Uranus
00:35:23
conjunction we just had in April of this past year however we had it in the sign
00:35:28
of Taurus now in 1692 it's happening in Gemini Uranus will be in Gemini in 2025 but we will or 2026 but we will cross
00:35:40
that bridge when we get I'm so scared y so Jupiter and Uranus um are coming together or they're they're soon to be
00:35:50
coming together and the energy around this Uranus being the planet of innovation Revolution shocking things is
00:35:57
that we are moving towards a Witch Hunt Revolution with this chart and the judges being appointed to this court is
00:36:06
really marking a new era for what this place is going to be what the the standard what the precedent is so as we
00:36:16
will soon see laws come back right laws that had been overturn come back into the fold and that's because it's a
00:36:24
revolution they're not seeing this as something that's a regression they're seeing this as something that is
00:36:29
actually really Innovative which is new rules new way of doing things and they see themselves as being highly
00:36:36
Progressive for how they're approaching this that makes sense that they saw it that way it really does it does
00:36:42
absolutely and again we see this this stellium in Gemini is now making an opposition to Saturn and Sagittarius
00:36:50
which we talked about before as sort of our anchor of what the legal system was an opposition is uh 180° apart so it's
00:36:59
sort of being pulled in different directions on one hand we have like we want as much information as possible
00:37:07
says this Gemini stellium come in with all of your freaky ass spectral evidence whatever you have bring it we'll listen
00:37:15
to it we listen we'll listen we love it we will hear and determine and like there's no rules to
00:37:23
what it could be because the evidence can come from any place in any way what ever meanwhile Saturn is now outnumbered
00:37:30
with all of this so Saturn and Sagittarius is like okay well I guess if this is going to be the philosophy if
00:37:36
this is going to be the court system so be it so Saturn now has to sort of Bend to all of these Gemini
00:37:44
planets and it's it's changing the structure of the court because of it wow that makes so much sense like it really
00:37:53
does when you lay it out like that and it's so interesting when you said like it entered at 0 degrees and all just
00:37:58
pops off from there like and it gets it gets more intense as we go so absolutely
00:38:03
because you already mentioned on June 8th 1692 my birthday Ash's again I'm not saying
00:38:10
Ash K Justice for but that's when they did bring back an old Massachusetts law that was made
00:38:18
obsolete by another law against hangings they bring that back to allow execution
00:38:24
by hanging now so they were like I know we got r that and it's we miss it though
00:38:29
we're going to pull that back in here because why not yeah and for them they're like no this is actually this is
00:38:34
this is mity yeah look at us going into the future yes and in this futuristic Utopia we recognize that the
00:38:43
witches are among us and to protect our community we got to be executing them left and right we the heroes heres to
00:38:50
this let's go and I think of course you know this is such a cautionary tale of what how at any point in time something
00:38:58
that then you look back and you're like that's barbaric and bananas Y at the moment felt really Innovative and
00:39:06
Progressive like we're doing what we need to do to keep everyone safe yes and I don't think that it was even you know
00:39:13
looking at these charts I don't think that there was even a consideration of the fact that they were doing something
00:39:19
cruel and unusual no wow and you can tell they didn't feel that way and it it's interesting for me because you know
00:39:26
there's a different version of this story with planets in different signs right where we might interpret more of
00:39:34
that sort of like they were getting freaky you know like they wanted to really do some they wanted to be
00:39:41
experimental but like this is really like we think we're doing the right thing we think we're being Progressive
00:39:46
we want to collect all of the data we want all of the information and we're going to be the leaders in the colony
00:39:53
yeah we're going to show everyone else how to do things yes and we're not going to have this issue again it's going to
00:39:57
go perfectly fine don't worry about it everyone cuz it was literally only two days later on June 10th is when they had
00:40:05
their first execution of Bridget Bishop so right away yeah they brought in this law and
00:40:11
then they immediately put it into motion they were like who two days later we can hang
00:40:16
someone y like crazy yeah and at this time we have that same sort of that that motion that movement towards Jupiter
00:40:26
Uranus um and that conjunction is is we're actually at the height of it Jupiter is
00:40:32
at 3° Uranus is at 6° they're only three degre three degrees away from each other
00:40:38
uh within the week they're going to be forming that exact conjunction that's W wild and that and again 3 days after
00:40:46
that so within that same time period yeah that's when the church the Salem Church excommunicated Rebecca nurse who
00:40:53
was this like Pious churchgoing woman who everyone loved well into her cuz I have like a special place in my heart
00:41:00
for Rebecca breaks my Justice for Rebecca but they excommunicated her in the same week so it's like when all that
00:41:06
was going on it was just going up and up and up and again probably thinking they're being doing what they need to do
00:41:13
to keep the church clean setting the new standard setting that new standard that
00:41:17
like you're going to be excommunicated if you are accused of this right which is so scary right and what we see in
00:41:23
that case is that even though this very Pious woman and Community member who was
00:41:29
very beloved was you know it was it was unfathomable to think that this person could be a witch because this data is
00:41:39
being presented new types of evidence new types of material that Gemini like I want to hear it I want to hear it bring
00:41:46
it bring uned un like which again you know and it's It's haunting for me because here I am an astrologer and it's
00:41:54
a once again an election year and all I want to remind people is that with Jupiter and Gemini right now make sure
00:42:01
that you are really looking at the sources do we know know how to tell whether something is propaganda or not
00:42:08
absolutely so important and it's the same thing here the exact same so if they were just letting it all through
00:42:13
yes that's crazy and especially you know we have these similar sort of parallels
00:42:18
happening I I have no problem with AI like I'm not one of those people that thinks that AI is going to maybe I
00:42:25
should think it's going to take over more frankly know you never know but with all of that it's right now being
00:42:31
deemed as very Innovative right it's being deemed as very Progressive feels very much for and we have and we are
00:42:38
collecting all of the data right and it's like this we're giving all of the data to these different technologies
00:42:46
that we don't really understand right now and I'm just you know I just want to put that there I just want to let it sit
00:42:53
think but it doesn't take a look yeah I mean but I don't know I yeah because it really is a very I mean it's a very much
00:43:03
a parallel yes it makes a lot of sense it really does oh it's I'm like I have chills I know and that was like a short
00:43:11
period of time that's like you know in June like Bam Bam Bam they were just they were getting this started and it
00:43:16
clearly a lot happens throughout the rest of the year but we're going to bump it to September of 1692 because I think
00:43:22
that's when things started Shifting the other way that's when we went through all the turmoil that had been clearly
00:43:29
building up to a crescendo at this point but in September of 1692 the court of oor and terminer stopped meeting because
00:43:36
that's when people started going wait a second what are we doing here you're not
00:43:39
hearing and determining anything you're hearing everything and determining nothing only determining one thing every
00:43:46
change this it is interesting now that when you when I hear you say that as we're talking about Gemini and sagge the
00:43:52
hearing and determining I mean I feel like that is the spirit of the Gemini and Sagittarius Act ESS is hearing and
00:43:58
determining yeah my big three like oh my God but less determining more hearing more hearing everything unbedded
00:44:08
unfiltered not enough sag energy taking it all we need more of the sagge Saturn was in Sag but it was being totally
00:44:14
outnumbered by all of the Gemini mhm so now but interestingly um at this time you know that conjunction we are sort of
00:44:22
moving away from it that conjunction between Jupiter and Uranus had happened Jupiter is now at 20° of Gemini um so
00:44:32
that stellium that big you know if you I'll show I'll show you guys the chart but like it's in May on May 27th when
00:44:40
those uh when those judges were appointed it's like a massive amount of planets pooling in one area by the time
00:44:48
we get to mid-september it's dissipated there's no more stellium it's all sort of broken up it's a much more I don't
00:44:56
want to say there's nothing abnormal about a stellium but it's just a much more well balanced chart yeah that makes
00:45:01
sense and interestingly Saturn has more agency and control again now in the chart because it's not being outnumbered
00:45:10
by all of these you know heavy duty um Gemini placements that are sort of pulling at it on the from the other
00:45:18
direction so now the loudest aspect is actually the aspect between Uranus and Saturn Uranus is at 9° it's going
00:45:24
retrograde Saturn is at 6° Sagittarius so we have a Uranus Saturn Opposition Saturn has more power Saturn has more
00:45:32
strength to be like what's going on here a second let's take a re at all this we
00:45:37
need to stop hearing everything yes more determining more determining with facts
00:45:42
also at this on this day the moon was in Sagittarius as well so the moon and Saturn were working together to be like
00:45:50
cut it that was really interesting we love the moon yeah the moon comes through yes I mean we it's definitely things are
00:45:59
very in a short amount of time the sky is really different wow and it makes and it just when you look at the events it
00:46:06
just makes so much sense building building building and then it just kind of like slowly dissipates cuz it does
00:46:12
feel like it's suddenly slowly dis that's exactly what happened I mean if you were to show me these charts with no
00:46:17
sort of events Associated I would be like whoa what were we working up towards and then I would see the drop
00:46:24
off it slowly trickle like everything's fine now okay but what was going on there what's over there that little one
00:46:29
in the middle is everyone all right trials made it out of that and then the next thing and this kind of goes back to
00:46:36
our governor fips our friend Governor fips over there who apparent was there was fortune in the sky when he became
00:46:43
governor on October 29th 1692 that's when he after the court stopped convening um he ordered a stop to any
00:46:52
more arrests in the trial for witchcraft you didn't want anyone else arrested for
00:46:56
it and he later would in in the following year he later pardoned everybody remaining in jail so he did do
00:47:03
his part to make sure everybody was let out yeah just about 6 months after he stopped but it began October 29th 1692
00:47:11
is when he stopped the arrest so no about no more witchcraft arrests were going to happen it's interesting you
00:47:16
know obviously we know that this date is very close to Halloween um for me you know just spiritually I think that
00:47:23
that's really interesting because that marks a it's a threshold you know Halloween October 31st is the halfway
00:47:31
point between the Autumn Equinox and the winter solstice and it's you know known
00:47:36
to be this sort of transitional time so I just think that it's interesting that that timing is sort of like so close to
00:47:43
Halloween that we say like this is enough you know like this isn't this is spooky in the worst way we're not going
00:47:49
to make this spooky anymore yeah um the thing that stands out to me as we get into these you know the the fall of the
00:47:58
year the fall of 1692 is that Pluto the planet of transformation goes into Leo so it's not
00:48:06
in those late degrees of cancer anymore it shifts into a new zodiac sign and again as we talked about with Jupiter
00:48:13
going into Gemini when a planet goes into a new sign it's really notable it's really big it's really
00:48:20
significant now what's Wild is that currently Pluto is in the late degrees of Capricorn and is sort of teetering on
00:48:28
Pluto going into Aquarius these are the exact opposite sister signs of what was going on here so cancer is the opposite
00:48:37
of Capricorn Leo is the opposite of Aquarius Pluto was going through the last degrees of cancer into the early
00:48:43
degrees of Leo during the Salem Witch Trials it's currently in the last degrees of Capricorn going into aquarius
00:48:49
so we have this mirror image of that same Turning Point Energy of that same sort of threshold you know
00:48:57
who knew this was going to be so topical for right now I certainly didn't who could have known CRA wild seriously so
00:49:05
what that says to me and what we've been talking about as it relates to current events in astrology is being at a in a
00:49:11
transitional time well currently as we are in the late degrees of Capricorn for Pluto we're sort of seeing like
00:49:20
wow something needs to give right like we reaching sort of a Breaking Point in our culture
00:49:27
and it's like hard to exactly pinpoint what it is but we know that it's just gotten very loud and very exhausting
00:49:34
really has and we're looking for something new we're looking for Change and that's exactly what was happening at
00:49:41
that time um Pluto was entering Leo it was saying this has to be a new era there has to be something new that we
00:49:49
are exploring societally and culturally so it doesn't surprise me that at the same time that Pluto is moving into this
00:49:57
new zodiac sign which by the way it takes it spends 20 years in a zodiac sign so it's it really you know drives a
00:50:05
point home before leaving and entering something new is that we're saying like actually maybe this isn't the vibe turns
00:50:11
out you know what maybe we were like super duper wrong here our bad and as you'll see a lot of
00:50:18
the people in this are just like oh yeah we mess that was not good yeah so it's it's interesting to see that um you know
00:50:26
and and Pluto also was conjunct the South node of Karma and past life at this moment um the nodes were in Leo and
00:50:35
in aquarius so there is this sort of Reckoning that starts to happen it feels like by the Fall where we start to kind
00:50:42
of have a different perspective on what we want our future to look like and maybe it's like we have the we are
00:50:49
looking at what we had thought was going to be this Utopia where we're getting rid of all the witches and it's and then
00:50:55
we realized like actually half of our community is in jail like and some of the judges you know own
00:51:02
wives and children and sisters and are being accused suddenly and they're going wait a second maybe not I mean they had
00:51:10
a four-year-old in jail at one point they had a four-year-old in jail with their mom and she was accused of
00:51:15
Witchcraft by Anne putam by the way an putnam's the worst we ha her putam but she accused a four-year-old and they had
00:51:21
a four-year-old sitting in jail for like a year and it's like somebody had to look at this and be like wait a second
00:51:27
yeah is this like Community we really want to have a community where we're throwing four-year-olds in the Old Salem
00:51:32
jail this isn't what we were going for I don't know if this is the Utopia we were
00:51:36
thinking it was going to be yeah exactly so it totally makes sense speaking of an
00:51:40
putam speaking of Anne putam this was just an interesting one to me because like I am so focused on how much I hate
00:51:47
Anne putam my hat love that you hate an putam I have such a grudge against an putam uh but in so August 5 1706 so many
00:51:58
years after this or a few years at least M am putam finally says well maybe I made all that [ __ ] up
00:52:06
oops sorry and she did this because she wanted to get into a church and the church was not going to let her unless
00:52:11
she admitted all her sins that was a pretty big sin uh and I thought this was an interesting one I'm curious do you
00:52:19
know if like what did the church at that point say that they recognized that this
00:52:25
was all a disaster I think it was part of the Reckoning of everybody saying that we realized that the intentions
00:52:33
might have been pure at some point dur or what they think are pure exact they I think they also
00:52:41
recognized that maybe they had a bunch of bored little girls on their hands and that these little girls took it too far
00:52:49
and didn't know how to stop it so I think they were giving her the opportunity to say We'll pardon you for
00:52:54
your sins but you need to like come have a come to Jesus moment and tell us that
00:52:59
what you did was wrong and that you knew it was wrong MH and she obliged and she
00:53:04
did she she said she did it she said she she made it up and she was sorry for it
00:53:08
but it was all too late I was like yeah I mean it's interesting so at this time you know a considerable amount of time
00:53:16
later over 10 years later Saturn is now where Jupiter and Uranus were back then so it's you know Saturn has that
00:53:25
perspective it's now gone through half of the zodiac sign and Saturn is you know it has to do with discipline right
00:53:33
and and our responsibilities and maturation so it's almost like at that time we all and you know the chart of
00:53:42
this moment was one where we had a different perspective on that Gemini craziness
00:53:49
chaos the chaos of Gemini yes that makes sense it does yeah cuz it's like she had
00:53:56
I mean I'll I I'll give one little inch here and say like she she she had to have a little bit of a maturation here
00:54:03
to like at least know I still think it was selfish and I think she it was it was matur know that she wasn't going to
00:54:09
get into this church if she didn't do what they asked her to do but it makes sense that it has to do with Saturn yeah
00:54:15
I see that and speaking of my my enemy and plattinum we should get take a look at at least a couple of the main
00:54:24
accusers here what their charts are cuz I'm very curious about that we have am putam is um October 18th 1679 and she
00:54:34
was born in daners Massachusetts and she was really like the ring leader of all of this yeah she really kept it
00:54:40
going yeah so so an um is a Libra you know something that I want to something I want to call out cuz it's you know it it
00:54:54
really is very loud in these charts is 25° there's a lot of planets at 25° which is just you know it's neither here
00:55:01
nor there but it's just an interesting pattern to see an was you know a Libra 25 degrees Libra she was actually born
00:55:10
um on a full moon ah and not just a full moon it was a lunar eclipse oh so that's
00:55:17
really compelling to me because when we have someone born on an eclipse that you
00:55:26
we know eclipses they're really intense they're Looney they're they're they're high energy right we see that even when
00:55:35
we experience you know when an eclipse crosses the United States and suddenly it's like the day stops everyone's
00:55:41
figuring out their Eclipse plans where are you going to be you know they are arresting they capture our attention
00:55:48
energetically astrologically this is also the case when you're born on an eclipse you have a sense of drama baked
00:55:56
into your chart we were just talking about this the other day yeah and and there's a sort of extremism to you um
00:56:05
people might see your life and be like why is everything always so like feast or famine for you like why is it like
00:56:11
why are the stakes always so high when you're born on an eclipse and that's the case of an wow she was born on an
00:56:18
eclipse now she was also 12 years old when this started and she was she was born with Jupiter Taurus so she was
00:56:27
going through her Jupiter return at that time wow which happens to all of us when
00:56:33
we're 12 years old because Jupiter has a 12year orbit so she had this she was born on an
00:56:40
eclipse she was going through her Jupiter return a very lucky time um and believe it or not I mean the way that I
00:56:49
would interpret this is that she was really I mean I guess this isn't doesn't seem that surprising when I when I say
00:56:55
it out loud that but she thought that she was doing something really cool you know sure she thought that she was
00:57:02
really she thought that she was really participating in her community she I mean she was making things happen she
00:57:10
was seeing literally she had an immense amount of power for a 12-year-old girl and I do think there might be I I know
00:57:17
that this is not we we are not an stands here so apolog I mean who would like an
00:57:24
right she's clearly the villain but I do think it's interesting how in this puritanical culture where women
00:57:31
have no power that these young girls had so much power and they took it and ran with it yes and I also wonder if this is
00:57:40
a byproduct of a really oppressive um culture you know absolutely I definitely think that's a
00:57:45
huge part of I will give that for sure because especially kids kids were not in this culture in puritan you know times
00:57:53
and Puritan culture it was you didn't play you didn't read you didn't enjoy things you weren't you were not to be a
00:57:59
kid it act like a kid like the scene and not heard it was like let me not see you
00:58:03
let me not hear you it's like you will you you help out your family you do your studying and that's it and you shut up
00:58:12
like you are not outside playing with things you're not giggling with your friends you are you are seen as not even
00:58:18
a little adult like a little you know cult member you're you're not seen as anything you're one of the many that
00:58:24
needs to be doing this thing to get to the goal of whatever their goal was you know right and so I think seeing that
00:58:31
it's kids who started this was very telling cuz it's like they weren't doing anything else what else were they doing
00:58:38
they had somewhere to apply their imagination and that a Fantastical imagin I mean that's where the spectral
00:58:43
evidence comes in some of the things they come up with I mean it's like like we said you know an was the one who
00:58:49
accused uh you know a little Dorothy also like Dorcas in the in the trial transcripts the four yold she said that
00:58:57
like she came she was like biting her in her sleep like she flew in her window and was biting her and it's like that is
00:59:02
some like Fantastical Fantastical [ __ ] and it's kid [ __ ] and I think they were just
00:59:08
trying to be kids but it they like they say in the craft they took it to a dark place well when you're a kid you don't
00:59:15
realize the serious repercussions that everything you're doing is going to have and I think when they started seeing the
00:59:21
repercussions it was some of the I think it was just either keep going or that you bullshitted everybody and now you're
00:59:28
the one yeah but it's also I mean it's the adults who are calling the shots I mean if these kids are saying are are
00:59:36
recognizing that they have basically unchecked power now and that they have the freedom to be able to participate in
00:59:42
these spaces and they're T being taken seriously Val they're validated they're having the it's like they're one uping
00:59:49
each other and like how like wild these images and these imaginations are and then the adult are like very good us
00:59:58
yeah keep going it's like I saw Rebeca nurse in a rocking chair you know like and it's like how
01:00:06
far can you push it so as much as I recognize that it's not good to accuse an entire community of Witchcraft and
01:00:13
kill them I do think that it's obviously the adults who were responsible and the
01:00:19
kids were just testing boundaries and also I mean pretty iconic for being becoming so famous as little Puritan
01:00:26
kids you know like that's what that's how they were seeing it they like where the queens of the village yeah and when
01:00:32
we were talking about it earlier the adults in the situation are really having the kids do their dirty work
01:00:37
because they're after executing these people so they can take their land so they can get rid of the tax that they
01:00:42
owe somebody you know that's the thing and the Putnams especially are huge you know they they they were the huge
01:00:49
accusers and especially like Anne putam senior especially was she would direct Anne putam junor to do her dirty work
01:00:57
and it was like that family was gaining a lot by making their kid do the dirty work for them so you do have to give her
01:01:03
a Little Bit of Sympathy in that regard of like you were you were brought into this like you were just kind of raised
01:01:10
to do this which is sad yeah doing your parents bidding yeah like is she still an [ __ ] absolutely but she was kind
01:01:18
of and puam sweatshirts yeah yeah but like she was she was made to be an [ __ ] you know like like a lot of the
01:01:25
cases we where it's like yeah I feel you know I feel bad for the kid but this kid
01:01:30
happened to get a lot of people killed you know there is something I think if we think about this karmically too um
01:01:37
being born on a lunar eclipse means that the nodes of Destiny and fate are right
01:01:42
next to your sun and moon which are some of the most sort of prominent placements
01:01:47
in our charts you know we know our sun moon and rising signs um so her Sun and Moon are right directly connected to her
01:01:54
sun is connected to the north node her Moon and Aries is connected to the South node these are karmic Destiny points and
01:02:03
in addition to those placements being there she also has Chiron the wounded healer there I mean one could look at
01:02:09
this and be like yeah it was horrible what happened to her that she then had to live with the guilt of having killed
01:02:16
all of these innocent people but in doing so exposed that you know this was not the Utopia that they were trying to
01:02:24
create and like I mean massive changes in the court system coming out of the Salem witch trial so it obviously is a
01:02:32
tragedy to lose so many people to this but it also perhaps there was an inevitability to it if this was the
01:02:39
system something bad was going to happen right and it was someone like an who sort of brought it to that Tipping Point
01:02:47
to expose the injustices so it was like a a byproduct a byproduct very much so yeah well I
01:02:54
think another one we could talk about so Betty Paris and Abigail Williams are the
01:02:58
other two I think we'll touch upon because they were the initial accusers yeah they were the big I Sal 3 yeah they
01:03:05
were definitely so Betty Paris was November 28th um 1682 and she was born in uh Boston Massachusetts but we don't
01:03:14
claim her we do not understandable well she was born during a new moon um so we have another very
01:03:23
strong lunar energy here in this chart she was also so 9 years old right when really little 9 years old is so young in
01:03:32
life but also astrologically that what was happening in her chart at that time was like not that different what was
01:03:38
happening from when she was born you know like 9 years is you don't have that many transits having taken place however
01:03:46
the transit you do have at exactly nine is you have your nodal opposition so again talking about the nodes of Fate um
01:03:54
she was born with her North Node in Leo her South node in Aquarius at that time it was the opposite so the South node
01:04:01
was in Leo and the North Node was in aquarius so at that moment there was this turning point of like what is my
01:04:07
destiny going to be believe it or not the first time we encounter our destiny is when we're 9 years old according to
01:04:13
the noes that's crazy yeah wow and then I it seems like she was then plucked away from this from the whole she was
01:04:20
like sent to live with family like you don't you don't want to see what's going to
01:04:24
happen to hang out with an anymore yeah yeah so it's interesting that she sort of made her mark this little sagge New
01:04:31
Moon sagge Sun and Moon in Sagittarius going through her nodal opposition did this thing and then was sort of removed
01:04:39
from the scene so she didn't actually have to be involved in the trials beyond that time that makes sense that is
01:04:46
interesting CU her dad was a big player in the town right Sam Samuel Paris I believe it is um he was a reverend so he
01:04:54
was I think they were like you know maybe we shouldn't muddy our this we want him to keep his job so let's just
01:05:01
you did your job let's get out of here thanks Betty and then uh Abigail is someone that we have another stellium
01:05:08
with so Abigail was born with Venus in cancer Saturn in cancer Pluto in cancer the sun in cancer and mercury in cancer
01:05:17
so emotional girly it's an emotional girly yes and as we've talked about when we have a stellium a concentration of
01:05:24
energy it just is intense you know just it's it's sort of everything is pooling in these places so with all of this in
01:05:31
cancer it's like you know cancer is associated with the mother cancer is associated with our home with our family
01:05:38
with our values so it does not surprise me that it was the sort of like I'm doing this for the fam I'm doing this in
01:05:45
our shared value system in our shared value system um and I would not be surprised if this was also coming from
01:05:51
you know if this was being supported by her family oh yeah and encouraged by her
01:05:57
family mhm that makes a lot of sense that definitely does damn it makes me feel kind of bad for
01:06:03
them I I do I would say that we can feel bad I mean it's interesting because there's like a whole other take on this
01:06:11
where it's like these were the witches these little girls who because what is a witch I mean it's it's usually women who
01:06:17
are trying to figure out where their power is and to reclaim their power and these girls certainly figured out how to
01:06:24
have a lot of [ __ ] power in their Community most the most power so I mean I think that having a fresh set of eyes
01:06:33
on these little ladies is not the worst thing but then definitely no no remorse for the for the boys for the
01:06:42
orchestrators who are on the trial I mean fullblown adult they have full frontal lobe they know what they're
01:06:47
doing grown adult men no excuse for you excuses what are you doing and actually that's where we'll go next speaking is
01:06:56
to these idiots the first one I could think of was John hathorne big play this guy's so
01:07:02
bad that like his ancestor Nathaniel Hawthorne added a w to his name to not be associated with him wow know it's
01:07:10
that's the lore so it's that's how bad he is he was one of the most active judges during the trials he was known to
01:07:17
be super aggressive he forced confessions in ways that would be very unseemly even by those standards he was
01:07:25
super super religious and so he took this whole thing even more seriously than a lot of the other ones did um he
01:07:32
was the one to condemn Reverend George Burrows to death which is very interesting that a very religious man
01:07:37
would condemn a reverend to death um he also never showed remorse even after the
01:07:44
trials were done never apologized never said that he was wrong in anything he did um he ended up dying in um at the
01:07:51
age of 76 he's buried in that old burying Point Cemetery on Charter Street in Salem uh so that's an interesting
01:07:58
grave to V to visit just take a moment it's a very chilling grave but yeah he's one of the worst for sure well I I would
01:08:06
it surprise anyone to find out that he is a Leo there it is so John uh was born on August 5th making him a Leo son um he
01:08:18
also has a moon in Leo so he was born on a new moon and again you know we're seeing definitely enough of the charts
01:08:26
that have an interesting lunar signature to know that these individuals were born
01:08:31
during these prominent lunar phases a lot of them were and you know it's not being born on an Eclipse which is the
01:08:38
you know the most magnified version of it but being born on a new moon is also you know has there's a significant sort
01:08:45
of energy associated with that um and in the sign of Leo you know if this is done
01:08:51
poorly we have a very egoic Gentleman on our hand check moon in Leo sun in Leo Mars in Leo
01:09:01
and at the time this would again have been conjunct at the same point as the South node in Leo which is one of those
01:09:09
Destiny points and it's you know it's sort of the the Dark Side of Destiny right it's his it's the destiny to be
01:09:19
remembered as an egoic monster in the case of John well that worked yeah that's John and also to feel this sense
01:09:26
of um Leos can be very stubborn you know very Resolute it's a fixed sign so it believes what it believes and it
01:09:35
believes that it's right that's why you never apologize never apologize and it doesn't surprise me that this you know
01:09:41
there was this sort of um Vengeance for the Reverend you know and this sort of like I'm not afraid to take down a
01:09:48
religious figure because I know best to show my point that I'm right yes and to be bigger and higher than you know
01:09:56
because that is its own sort of egoic expression is to be like see you all thought that this was a Pious individual
01:10:04
but I as a judge am above this alleged Pious individual and I say they're a witch I know better that's fascinating
01:10:13
that is fascinating oh oh don't get wrapped up with the Leo's the worst but but the next one we have is uh a lot
01:10:21
of people know this name too cotton Ma so how could you not know the name I you not remember this and remember dead
01:10:28
remember cotton yeah you got to we remember cotton weary too from stream always but he was a Puritan Minister he
01:10:35
studyed he actually studied another outbreak of Hysteria it was the Goodwin family in um Boston Massachusetts and he
01:10:41
wrote about it he loved to write about this stuff and he blamed it on the devil and he mentioned in these writings that
01:10:47
Salem was the Devil's Playground is what he believed which which is awesome I mean that sounds so metal so metal
01:10:55
so if I was in Salem at that like hell yes like let's an also like leave us alone CU we're the Devil's Playground
01:11:03
don't mess with us but a lot of people think that was part of the seed that was planted to at least start some Rumblings
01:11:10
in Salem with hesteria but in the letter that he wrote to the justices he was one
01:11:15
of those people who said spectral evidence is [ __ ] you shouldn't use it you shouldn't use it in these trials
01:11:21
I don't think it should be used as like real evidence but in that same letter he also urged them to continue trying to
01:11:29
sus out witches in Salem so he was saying don't use spectral evidence but like you're doing you're doing the Lord
01:11:35
keep going let's keep going and he was also the one who said that um bringing back to Reverend George Burrows that
01:11:42
poor guy he was the one who said that no witch would be able to say the Lord's Prayer perfectly they were going to
01:11:49
stumble on it they would forget it they wouldn't be able to say the whole thing that's the tell that's the tell you'll
01:11:53
be if if they can do that they are not a witch and you should not condemn them rever George buroughs recited that
01:12:00
Lord's Prayer perfectly without stumbling without muttering anything on the Gallows Cod ma was there and he said
01:12:08
it's fine I guess in this case it's whatever he's a reverend so you know we're already here so let's just like go
01:12:13
through it and it's like what the [ __ ] like what a contradiction and he actually later claimed that Reverend
01:12:20
George burough was the king of all witches he used that phrase and basically said later you know what
01:12:28
spectral evidence it was actually fine it was fine that they used it the whole thing was justified to some degree we're
01:12:34
all fine he was he was basically a whiny little [ __ ] and he stood for nothing like that man stood for nothing he just
01:12:40
stood for spectral evidence wind blew and he would blow over here with it like he was the worst well a few things that
01:12:46
are really interesting so we have another stellam here in his chart he has an aquarius stum so this is Aquarius is
01:12:55
the opposite sign of Leo um so again we're still on those nodes which we going on at this time in the signs of
01:13:02
Leo and Aquarius so he's being really activated by them he has Chiron in Aquarius Uranus in Aquarius Mars in
01:13:09
Aquarius the sun in Aquarius and mercury and Aquarius so once again we see someone who has a lot of a
01:13:16
lot it's a lot of a lot um and I would say most compelling to me is that he was going through his Saturn return return
01:13:25
during this time interesting so he was pretty young he was young he was and the Saturn return is when we go through it
01:13:33
in our late 20s and early 30s I'm so scared buckle up baby I know careful of that spectral evidence I
01:13:41
know and it's when we become our own person and it's often a very challenging and complicated time and what I you know
01:13:53
I'm I'm probably jumping ahead spoiler alert he was the son mhm of increase matters coolest name
01:14:03
coolest increase but I think that what's really interesting about this is that we
01:14:08
have and we'll talk about increases role within this as well um we have cotton the son trying to figure out what he
01:14:17
stands for and what his place is and what his role in this greater sort of ecosystem is so it doesn't surprise me
01:14:25
that as he's going through his Saturn return he's like well a little bit of this but also that you know like this
01:14:31
makes sense whatever works and my and now I'm going to get into sort of my intuitive read on it for a moment
01:14:38
looking at the chart is that I think that he got over his head in what was happening for sure and because he was he
01:14:47
comes into this kind of as an academic you absolutely and but then he's swept up in this town I mean it would be an
01:14:54
interesting bio pick certainly he's swept up in this town and then it's like it's all happening you know like they're
01:15:00
dying these people on are being hung you know like we have people being tortured
01:15:06
you know it's like what a scene and he's trying to figure out is this what it's about like is this is this what we
01:15:13
should be doing is this why we did this and what are the limits and what are the
01:15:18
boundaries and I think that as people are dying it's like well I have to justify this you know I have to Mak
01:15:25
sense of this tragedy so yeah I mean he's the king of witches that's why he can say the Lord's Prayer so easily is
01:15:33
because the devil is go speaking right through him and the devil is you know a trickster so of course in this case this
01:15:41
is an exception to the rule yep but I think that this is the chart of someone who is really trying to figure out you
01:15:49
know who he is and what his place is in society and how he can be the most useful and how to sort of bring these
01:15:56
pieces together another thing that's interesting is that he was born during the Jupiter Saturn conjunction um that's
01:16:02
an a 20e cycle that happens every 20 years so it's an important it's a meaning it's one of the signatures that
01:16:08
happened during 2020 the Jupiter Saturn conjunction so Jupiter makes things bigger Saturn makes things disciplined
01:16:16
so he's trying to figure out you know how am I going to be the this sort of voice you know how am I going to be the
01:16:23
smartest one in the room I think is cotton story got that for sure yeah he does how can I be this and it's also
01:16:29
very Aquarius you know like you if you've ever met an aquaries you know that they also love to be right they
01:16:35
love to be intelligent so it's it has that sort of like yeah I know what I'm talking about
01:16:43
and he's like oh I can explain this I can explain this I know you're all you all think you know but I can explain
01:16:49
this yeah listen to me listen to Cotton Listen to Cotton 100% cotton but don't 100% it's still
01:16:58
100% that almost went over my head that was so close like what so the next one we have this isn't
01:17:06
like a huge I he's a big player because he's one of the seven judges and I think
01:17:11
what is a note about Bartholomew gney is one his name yeah definitely that and he's got um he's got an interesting
01:17:18
grave in the cemetery as well um and he was he was one of the shitty judges and he was one of the ones who fiercely
01:17:27
advocated to use spectral evidence which I always think means that you are one of
01:17:32
the worst cuz I'm like if you are allowing children to say that somebody flew in and bit their knees in the
01:17:36
middle of the night then like something's wrong with you you're a little cooky and he also condemned his
01:17:41
own friends like he would his back on people like his friends would be like you know me Bart and he like guess
01:17:48
friend and he'd be like I guess I didn't I guess I didn't know you and it's like
01:17:52
whoa he has no loyalty would you be be surprised to find out well let me ask you I hear a lot of hearing which we
01:18:00
know now is the Gemini stellium and B was a Gemini sorry June 14th 1640 see him turning on his friends
01:18:12
doesn't give us a good a good rep no it doesn't will but it doesn't you know I think it
01:18:19
makes sense for as we are sort of creating the archetype for the Gemini stellium energy of this time Peri perod
01:18:25
right it's like give me the most and in his case he was like you're my friend whatever like come on in to the to the
01:18:32
freaky trial world and like let's spill what's the tea like what do you have oh people are flying in and biting
01:18:40
interesting interesting love that yeah I mean honestly it was like the wackier the
01:18:46
better and I think that that's why he was into spectral evidence is because he liked the sort of the entertainment of
01:18:52
it that makes sense makes a lot of sense feel that for Bart I love entertainment
01:18:56
so I get it Bart was just here for the lws like he was just like this is interesting like why not go on yeah he
01:19:04
like please tell me more what happen it would be interesting to read his entries
01:19:08
in this giant Bible cuz it's probably like and then he said that this happen but wait let me tell you more yeah
01:19:15
exactly you'll never believe this one and I think that sort of like you know one of the overarching um lessons around
01:19:22
this was that actually it turns out more morality is a good thing right it's good
01:19:27
to when you know someone's character that actually should be considered when you are bringing them in and to an
01:19:35
accusation right that's why we have character Witnesses right it's important to understand who someone is but in this
01:19:41
trial all of that was out the window because it was really just the hearsay yeah people were accusing their own
01:19:47
spouses right and that was being that was being regarded it was being taken into more regard than someone's
01:19:55
character yeah and someone you've known forever forever right well one of one of
01:20:00
the worst ones I would say um it's definitely the Corwin family they popped off a lot of people know the witch house
01:20:06
in Salem that's you know the Jonathan Corwin house um he actually there was so many quote unquote witches being brought
01:20:15
in to be examined during this time because they were now they're picking everybody we hear about the you know the
01:20:20
ones who died at The Gallows but there's so many who died in jail there's so who
01:20:24
were put in jail and somehow got out of it but there's a lot of victims here so many people were being accused that he
01:20:31
opened up you know he's so friendly and loving and cozy accomodating he opened up his home and said oh I can conduct
01:20:38
examinations in here since I know so busy like I'm here to help and there's some like crazy stories about him in
01:20:45
that house um and he would also undertake the examinations himself which is a whole different vibe very pervy
01:20:53
energy super like I don't like it the energy in that house if is messed up snarly yeah it's dark energy and a lot
01:21:02
of his family was embroiled in the whole accusing process a lot of his children were quote unquote Afflicted at times so
01:21:08
that was a whole thing um and he never apologized for his role in the trials either he was one of the ones that stood
01:21:13
by and said nope it was right what's interesting is that as we're talking about this there's a I what I'm sort of
01:21:22
noting is that as you're mentioning these different judges who never apologized it's a lot of uh fix signs so
01:21:30
we met the Leo yeah we met the Aquarius and here we have the Scorpio ah so we have another stellium here with Jonathan
01:21:40
Corwin this one is in Scorpio so we have Uranus in Scorpio um we have the North Node in Scorpio Mercury in Scorpio the
01:21:48
sun in Scorpio and Neptune in Scorpio so again uh a stellium is a lot now we haven't talked about Scorpio a lot which
01:21:58
I think it would be surprising for a lot of people because Scorpio is the zodiac
01:22:03
sign that is so witchy and so sort of associated with the occult and and sort of Underworld things it's signified
01:22:12
through Pluto which we have talked about but Scorpio has been sort of low-key in
01:22:16
the background throughout most of these charts which is interesting and it does show me that again this whole trial was
01:22:25
more of the Gemini information like I want to collect the the knowledge than it was the Scorpio like ooh like let me
01:22:33
get into the sort of the mysteries of it yeah but in the case of Jonathan Corwin's chart he was about that he
01:22:41
wanted to get up in there and I don't want to I'm not typ casting all Scorpios as being perverts but it is a little
01:22:49
pervy it is associated it is associated with like genitals and like the you know
01:22:57
the private parts and sex and so you put SC so in the context of this yeah this is probably someone who is being a
01:23:05
little gross you know a little sexually deviant around this and using this as an
01:23:11
opportunity to like you know exam easier which I definitely think was a thing absolutely oh gross Jonathan well
01:23:19
moving on from him well and we're staying in the family which think is one of the worst
01:23:25
in the whole thing George Corwin he was he has an interesting birthday too his birthday is February 26
01:23:34
1666 scary he has the triple six in there and he's talking about everybody else being Titanic like check your birth
01:23:40
year my friend check your birth uh he was compensating yeah like so he was only 25 years old which blows my mind at
01:23:50
this point cuz I'm like you're a baby like you're a baby shut up go figure out life not even at the S what you doing
01:23:57
like ruining everyone's life he was the high Sheriff during the witch trials he was also the nephew of Jonathan Corwin
01:24:03
so that that family blood runs deep he was known very much he was very aggressive he confiscated a lot of [ __ ]
01:24:11
from people when he would arrest them like that was his favorite thing to do was just steal all your [ __ ] when he
01:24:16
arrested you it was like a treasure hunt for him yeah it was like there was certain like this was part of the time
01:24:21
period too where like you know they would confiscate things from you when they arrested you to pay for your jail
01:24:27
sentence essentially in your trial um they could confiscate your land all that but he would do it willy-nilly like he
01:24:33
was known to just steal all everybody's stuff um he was there for a lot of the executions um Bridget he was there when
01:24:42
Bridget Bishop the first one the first victim was hanged and she was forced to climb a ladder when she was hanged it
01:24:49
was just like a different thing he was the one who kicked the ladder out from underneath her um he then left her body
01:24:55
in a rock crevice after that just threw her in a rock crevice and just as an examp later just as an example um what's
01:25:03
also interested is he left her body in that rock crevice at the site and then he reported he had to write out a report
01:25:09
for this and he crossed out the words buried in place when he did this which is like snaky yeah that's weird he
01:25:18
literally intentionally was like I'm going to leave out what I actually did I'm just going to cross it out and I was
01:25:23
like that is so shady very shady yeah and he is Infamous for being the one that tortured Giles Cory
01:25:30
with um weight until he was crushed to death at one point we covered this when we talked about the witch trials Giles
01:25:37
Corey was I mean it was like days two days of him being pressed to death so at one point the weight was so severe that
01:25:43
his tongue protruded out of his mouth just on weight alone right and it was George Corwin who grabbed a walking
01:25:50
stick from somebody who was watching this whole thing cuz remember people would just walk
01:25:54
this watch this man be pressed to death for this old man be pressed to death for
01:25:59
two days grabbed someone's walking stick and poked his tongue back in his mouth with it which to me is like ruthless as
01:26:05
[ __ ] like that's like serial killer Vibes yeah totally but Giles Corey as we know did not enter a plea he said [ __ ]
01:26:13
y'all and he didn't do it and instead he cursed George Corwin and all of Salem which worked and he cursed so that we
01:26:23
have seen so George car died of a heart attack at age 30 5 years after this and since 1692 Salem sheriffs have all died
01:26:32
of heart conditions at very early ages or suffered from heart conditions at very early ages and it only stopped
01:26:39
after they moved the sheriff's department from the old jail right cuz before it was overlooking the yeah it
01:26:44
was like overlooking some I believe I'm not positive about that but it was I just know that it was a Cahill is one of
01:26:52
the sources that is a really his book is really good about this he mentioned he was one of the sheriffs he mentioned
01:26:57
that he suffered from heart issues when he was sheriff and he's like it is a curse like it's for real for real and
01:27:04
George Corwin had taken so much stuff from people when he was arresting them that Alene was actually placed on his
01:27:11
body when he died that it was not released back to his family to be buried until he his family paid for his [ __ ]
01:27:18
that he taken back at you so he got his in the end for sure but he's one of the worst
01:27:24
so what's he all about so you know it's interesting because he well is a Pisces and I think that that would really
01:27:32
surprise people because usually Pisces are considered to be you know sort of like harmless Mystic sensitive emotional
01:27:43
intense people but in this case I mean this is why you have sort of you know you can't you really shouldn't be
01:27:50
stereotyping the signs because there's so much dimensionality to them he was born with the sun conjunct Jupiter in
01:27:57
his chart and we've talked about Jupiter making anything bigger and more expansive and sort of like Larger than
01:28:03
Life so the Sun and Jupiter were in Pisces when he was born and as well remember during the Salem Witch Trials
01:28:12
Neptune was in Pisces so it was almost like he was operating in this Fantasy Land himself like he sort of went with
01:28:25
the he went with the this Mass hysteria and like ran with it as part of his identity he was playing a role within
01:28:33
this whole elaborate tragedy as someone as yes exactly as sort of like the the boss as the one who was ruthless as the
01:28:43
one who had no patience for witches you know like he would do he hated witches and would do anything to make sure that
01:28:51
they were never coming back again and it was also you know it's interesting that
01:28:56
he was pre Saturn return to me that also is is very compelling yeah it it really
01:29:02
shows that he was also trying to prove his manhood you know and there was this heavy compensating for being so young
01:29:13
and having so much power and it almost feels like it's a higher Octave of how the girls were behaving at that time you
01:29:21
know it's like when you're that young and you have so much power and it's and you're responsible for such brutality
01:29:29
it's like you have to kind of go all in yeah you know you obviously don't have to and you shouldn't listen likee don't
01:29:35
go commit when they're going he committed to that role that he was playing and it was that you know he was
01:29:42
being sort of egged on by the hysteria so much so that he thought he could get away with it right like he thought he
01:29:49
could get away with that kind of force he thought he could get away with stealing all of these possessions and
01:29:56
obviously so young that didn't realize like actually no when you die young from this heart condition after this curse
01:30:05
because you were so bad that you have a curse on you now that you're not even going to be regarded you know you're
01:30:12
there's going to be a lean on your body because people are going to recognize that you were a [ __ ] yeah you know
01:30:16
they're be like we're not even giving rid of your body to your family because it was actually
01:30:21
completely out of line what you did so it's I mean this is why you know it's when you have such young people who are
01:30:30
responsible for acting out in these ways it's like you're going to see often times the the most fierce and
01:30:40
evil ones are the ones who are the youngest involved you know and also frontal lobe
01:30:47
that's a huge role too definitely that is interesting um another one that I'm I'm said this is like a I'm just
01:30:55
interested in this one cuz he's a little bit of an outlier Samuel Seawall so he was a judge he was one of the ones that
01:31:03
later publicly apologized he even called for a day of fasting and Penance to for
01:31:10
reparation of what happened and he himself observed that day privately for the rest of his life like he was very
01:31:16
much a I thought I was doing what was right I did not do what was right and it was literally like he was like I know
01:31:23
that that wasn't right I thought it was right at the time right yeah and he is an Aries we haven't talked about Aries
01:31:29
yet um he was born conjunct the North Node of Destiny his son so again we're seeing that as an interesting signature
01:31:38
coming up a lot of these nodes of Fate are involved in the individuals who are associated with this which to me just
01:31:45
really exposes like yeah these are all people who have legacies now that are that are sort of surrounding these this
01:31:53
really um historic event and this historic series of events that took place yeah
01:31:58
what I find really interesting in his chart is that his Mercury the planet of communication is in the sign of Pisces
01:32:06
again we were talking about Neptune the planet of Illusion and delusion being in
01:32:10
Pisces so at the time of these trials the way that he was thinking Mercury rules communication it rules our mind
01:32:17
the way that we process information was being really heavily influenced by this neptunian fantasy world
01:32:24
so it's like as this was going on and people were presenting all of this freaky spectral evidence he was like I
01:32:30
guess so I guess I guess it's real I guess everybody's buying this I guess these girls are coming in talking about
01:32:36
people flying in through Windows like woo something it something weird and then after that Transit had lifted after
01:32:46
he was no longer you know as time went on and he had perspective and he had there was distance from what took place
01:32:55
you know as the chart sort of separated and opened up as we saw he then had more
01:33:00
perspective to be like whoa I was under a spell yeah and I think that if I think
01:33:05
that he would have said something quite like that that he himself was hypnotized
01:33:10
by what had happened yeah that like the real the real spell was happening in the
01:33:14
judicial system exactly I mean it's so interesting because with all of these we see the story of you know of of spells
01:33:23
and es and of persecution and it's just all sort of not what they thought it was
01:33:29
but it's all there you know the underbelly was being exposed but it wasn't Rebecca nurse you know yeah it
01:33:36
was them it was themselves it was the whole society he I mean he proved it with the like privately doing that day
01:33:42
of reparations like because he felt so guilty like he had guilt for the rest of his life and he's one of the only ones
01:33:47
who would admit that right and he's the only Aries and he's the only Aries yeah that's interesting is Aries a fixed sign
01:33:54
no it is not it's a cardinal sign so that's interesting that he's the one not a fixed sign and he can actually admit
01:34:00
that he was wrong where the fixed signs could not well what's interesting is you
01:34:04
know my girl not my girl let me let me rephrase that but an who I think we all need a fresh perspective on has her moon
01:34:13
in Aries and is herself a Libra sun which is the opposite of Aries so those Cardinal placements seem to be which you
01:34:21
know Capricorn is a cardinal sign seem to have some you know they are the ones who are coming in with a little bit more
01:34:28
remorse that's interesting that does make sense huh Welles maybe we should round this out by talking about a couple
01:34:35
of the the victims that everybody probably knows like the most yeah definitely Giles Cory Giles Cory got to
01:34:43
go Giles we know that he was pressed to death because he wouldn't enter a plea because if you entered a plea you could
01:34:48
have your land taken away and all your belongings from George Corwin essentially so instead of owing that to
01:34:54
happen and leaving his family without anything he decided not to he had two days of being pressed to death and the
01:35:00
only thing he responded when George Corwin tried to get anything from him was more weight and then he ended up
01:35:06
dying uh his curse was damn you Sheriff I curse you and Salem and that that's the curse that seems to have gone all
01:35:15
the way through I think that worked yeah I think so too but he's one that everybody knows about he he had like he
01:35:21
was a wealthy Farmer in the time so and he he didn't have like he wasn't super well-liked he had a moment I would say
01:35:30
he had a reputation of being a little aggressive a little violent a little angry um he was charged with murdering
01:35:36
his farmand in in 1676 so it's not like he was like coming out of the Scot yeah not Scot free at all he had a little
01:35:42
come up and blood on his he definitely did um but he was he was found guilty he only got a fine for it uh a lot of
01:35:49
people were mad about that and thought he should have gotten more for that and people think that might have play played
01:35:53
into him being accused so uh he was born August 16th 1611 in the UK so we are back with a Leo back with a Leo so you
01:36:04
know we had talked about the Leo as being you know of the ego right we had mentioned that with one of the with one
01:36:11
of the judges is that when we have this this Leo energy of this being sort of like egoic I'm I have more I know more I
01:36:19
could be higher than whoever and I think that that also you know this is the only
01:36:24
person in the Salem Witch Trials who was pressed to death and this is also the only person who was like I'm not going
01:36:31
to play by your [ __ ] rules like if you want to kill me you're going to have to do it in this other way where you're
01:36:36
going to have to creative get creative and also like going to be disgusting you know like it's going to be a really
01:36:42
gross scene for you and all the villagers so that's very Leo you know change it up for me yeah do it special
01:36:50
for me um Mercury and Leo Jupiter in Leo sun in Leo so again that Jupiter Sun conjunction coming up as a signature
01:37:01
here um in a lot of these charts which is just this Larger than Life Energy to me you know it doesn't surprise me that
01:37:08
there is in in his own way he if if he was going to go down he wanted to do it on his terms yeah you know and not
01:37:17
speaking to whether or not he was or you know was a good person or was not a good
01:37:22
person obviously it sounds like he was a complicated aggressive fiery man um it it is interesting that when it came to
01:37:31
his death and his legacy that it is a sort of a standout um a notable death right within this because he wouldn't he
01:37:41
wanted to maintain a sense of his dignity in it and for and that was his way of doing
01:37:47
it makes a lot and cursing right and doing a really iconic curse went on for yeah I's the real witch I know well I
01:37:56
was just going to say do you see anything witchy in his chart whatsoever that would give Credence to the curse
01:38:02
well you know the thing that I would say stands out to me in addition to him of course being a Leo and having that
01:38:09
Jupiter Sun conjunction is that he has his North Node in Gemini and Uranus in Gemini in his chart because he was
01:38:17
significantly older he was in his 80s yeah he was a lot so he was going through his Uranus
01:38:27
return at that time which happens if you live long enough if you get into your 80s you go through your Uranus return
01:38:34
which happens at 84 he was he was just a few years shy of his exact Uranus return
01:38:41
but he was going I your Uranus return is when you because Uranus is the planet of
01:38:46
Revolution and Rebellion so when you go through that you really just say like caution to the yeah I don't give any
01:38:52
[ __ ] at all and that FP on its to be like you're calling me a witch you're killing me for
01:39:02
this I'm going to curse you show you what wit I'll show you like there's something so
01:39:10
sassy something poetic addictive powerful sort of reclaiming one's agency and I personally think that anyone can
01:39:21
put a curse on someone you know I don't think to be a witch to do curses I think
01:39:25
that it's just your intention and where you sort of apply it in this case it sounds like it was a very well warranted
01:39:31
yeah time for a curse it's a very specific curse too he like I well deserved curse yeah truly the next one I
01:39:38
would say is Rebecca nurse just cuz that's my girl yeah we know Rebecca nurse she was
01:39:44
beloved you know they did the petition to try to get her out of it they got they found her not guilty but then our
01:39:51
our girlies there are afflicted girlies threw themselves on the ground in the courtroom and got her uh said to be
01:39:56
guilty again um and actually she was feuding with the putam family over border boundaries which they think had a
01:40:05
lot to do with it and she also disapproved of the appointment of Samuel Paris uh as the new Puritan minister so
01:40:13
there was a lot of people that were not pleased with her that were very powerful
01:40:17
and happen to be accusers I mean what I notied in this chart initially is that this woman was almost 100 years old oh
01:40:24
my God and she was like ailing too she was yeah she was born in 1598 so she was you know she was in her
01:40:32
90s and then getting wrapped up in all of this and the energy from that to me is so cautionary and is so a mirror you
01:40:43
know when you have someone who is that old and ailing and who is so beloved within your community and then you turn
01:40:50
against this individual who is just like the helpless old woman it's like what are you really doing here what what are
01:40:58
we what are we pulling people love her she was Pious she was like a churchgoing woman she was doing everything they they
01:41:04
wanted every said they wanted everybody to do and I think that some of the things that are interesting to me in
01:41:10
this is that she was going through her Jupiter return in fact it was exact Jupiter was in her chart at in Gemini at
01:41:21
6° that's where the conjunction between Jupiter and Uranus happened so to me like I have Goosebumps because this
01:41:28
woman was the symbol of like we have gone too far wow yeah this was it yeah a lot of people saw that too yeah and I
01:41:37
think that you know we have those two sort of events that took place right we have or you know that may 27th date is
01:41:43
really standout to me in terms of when things went haywire and then when Rebecca nurse was accused and everything
01:41:51
that we knew about this old old 92-year-old woman was just like completely you know overlooked for the
01:41:59
sake of hearsay this was and her Jupiter was right at that point of Jupiter Uranus conjunction which defines these
01:42:07
Witch Trials this was like the what have you done you know like what are you actually doing here go from how do we go
01:42:15
on from here how do we go from here cuz you did it you know you executed Rebecca
01:42:19
nurse great like where do we now what now and like and if you did this then what else will you do right right no one
01:42:27
is safe that's my girl Rebecca I love her pour one out for Rebecca KS pour one out for Rebecca I mean I also think that
01:42:33
like it's an interesting you know it's interesting that that breaking point was a 92-year-old woman you know it's
01:42:39
interesting that that was sort of not the four-year-old who was in jail but like this 92-year-old woman was enough
01:42:46
for people to be like wait what at least start thinking like wait a second like something is weird because how could how
01:42:52
could someone live 92 years and be such a you know a loving member of our community and participate so much and be
01:42:59
someone that we all Revere and respect only to be a witch right like this doesn't make sense this doesn't make
01:43:06
sense and the flip-flop of the the trial like finding her not guilty and then being like Oh the the
01:43:12
girl like like what are we doing what's going on we're just giving in to Tantrums right um I think the last
01:43:19
person we should focus on is somebody that probably everybody knows we were talking about this earlier The Crucible
01:43:25
is going to come it's the perfect place to end it's John Proctor I mean why is he always hot and everything it's John
01:43:31
Proctor you know him you love him you want to date him like why do we just know like he was I mean he was a wealthy
01:43:37
farmer right he was a wealthy farmer so he's got that going with he was also a very outspoken critic of the Salem Witch
01:43:43
Trials from the jump um he got a little aggressive with it he said he would but he would whip or beat The Afflicted
01:43:49
girls he didn't do it but he would threaten to do it cuz he was so disgusting by them not great his wife
01:43:54
Elizabeth Proctor was arrested on charges of Witchcraft uh that's when they turned on him he actually knew he
01:44:02
recognized that this is mass hysteria and something's wrong here he wrote a letter to the Boston clergy asking them
01:44:08
to intervene and move the trials to Boston cuz he was like it's not happening here like Salem's losing their
01:44:14
goddamn Minds bring it to Boston bring some law bring it to Boston we got to get a group Boston logic we'll figure it
01:44:21
out and the clergy actually was like yeah that's that seems to be the case but when they answered it was too
01:44:28
late he was already executed so John the hottie John the hot one John the hot one
01:44:36
of the whole trial is a Libra a Libra Redemption exactly so you know an putam a Libra John a Libra but also I
01:44:48
mean I do think it's interesting that when we talk about the cardinal signs having this sort of interesting
01:44:53
awareness of what's going on in this they weren't in the mix they weren't being as influenced by this mutable
01:45:00
Gemini sad pisan energy and or had the sort of stubbornness that we see with the fix signs right throughout it John
01:45:08
Proctor as a Libra was sort of like okay like what is fair here right Libra is the sign of the scales It's associated
01:45:17
with balance It's associated with sort of Harmony and Equity so we have this Libra sun coming in being like wait this
01:45:24
none of this makes sense this is not a fair system this is not a fair trial like we're not doing this we're not
01:45:30
approaching this correctly and I think that even though it's te that he said that he's going to whip the girls like I
01:45:36
get where he's coming from with it he was pissed and he was also showing like the they don't have that much power like
01:45:42
stop treating them like Saints stop treating them like they are not anything more than children right because I'm
01:45:48
sure that in puritan kids were being whipped all the time so they were like do what we always do exactly so treat
01:45:54
them like kids don't treat them like they are the ones who have all of this insight and who can dictate the fate of
01:46:02
our community members so in you know saying something as sort of aggressive as that I think that the message was
01:46:08
like let's get some logic back in here like hello like mugatu or am I taking crazy pills you
01:46:15
know so in the chart you it's a it's it's an interesting chart in that we have um aot lot of sort of planets
01:46:24
there's a lot of clusters going on so we don't have a stellium but for instance we have Pluto and Jupiter that are
01:46:30
connected we have Mars and Saturn that are connected and I think that there is this sort of like this recognition of
01:46:39
yeah this doesn't look like someone who is not strict to me you know this some John Proctor also played by the rules he
01:46:48
was not like a he was not a wild child no not my John proct saw yeah no he's Daddy he plays by the rules but he also
01:46:58
saw someone here who you know he saw a system that was absolutely falling apart he saw the collapse of his community and
01:47:08
that's I think what he was calling out I don't think he was saying I don't think
01:47:11
I'm not I don't think that witches are real are real like I I think that this could be legit but the way that you all
01:47:18
are approaching it is nuts and he sought out to help to fix it looked outside and
01:47:23
was like someone some logic back into this whole thing yes and that's really what he was
01:47:29
sort of seeking was like we have to turn this down rules bring the rules back I want rules but I don't want these
01:47:38
whackadoo rules cuz these aren't rules this is chaos yeah which is what it ended up degrading to exactly wow wow so
01:47:47
no wonder he's hot so no wonder he's always hot in all the things exactly it's just like Canon you have to make
01:47:52
make them hot and everything yeah it's so funny this was fascinating I could do this for like 18 hours like I could just
01:48:01
sit here and be like and what about this person yeah I mean it's it's so interesting and I think that you know to
01:48:06
to bring it back to how we started like all of these planets and all of these different placements didn't necessarily
01:48:14
need to manifest like this but it's interesting to have the story line and to know you know who these individuals
01:48:21
were what these events were what how did this all take shape and then how does what how did the planets support that
01:48:30
you know and like how were they leaning into these different attributes What mechanisms were there the worst versions
01:48:36
of them right it's so true and now with the sky looking so similar what can we do now I was going to say everybody's
01:48:41
got to like everybody hold on tight and make good choices yeah exactly and I think that it's such a cautionary tale
01:48:48
and it continues to be a cautionary tale of mob mentality oh yeah always and what
01:48:53
to do and we we constantly are battling this we're constantly battling like Mass
01:48:57
cancellations of people and just like you know all rumors and the swirling of social media and to me it's like yeah of
01:49:05
course Jupiter is in Gemini you know of course we have to navigate the same types of conditions wow it's just that
01:49:12
we're approaching it you know we have different tools yeah in a different age that makes so much sense instead of just
01:49:17
meeting by like the town water pit you're meeting on social media right talking about someone right but like a
01:49:25
mass cancellation without any evidence to back it up to me feels like watching you know gu's Cory get pressed exactly
01:49:37
ites exactly like that and who sticking the tongue back in the mouth like don't be disgusting yeah don't be that person
01:49:42
sticking the tongue back in the mouth Yes don't be George never be a George Corwin that's
01:49:47
the moral of this story never be a George Corwin maybe be somewhat of a Giles Proctor or I just morph them
01:49:54
together be your own character exactly be the good parts of and the good parts of John to do that I felt it that was on
01:50:03
purpose it was it was make up your own name increase SM how about that I like it no this was so much fun I want to do
01:50:15
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