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hey weirdos I'm Ash I'm Elena and this is [Music] morbid she just burped Elena just did all big recording
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old burp we should put it in we should keep it in that would be horrifying for people to hear first as soon as they
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turn on their thing I would love it if I turned on my radio when I heard a burp my Roo my
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Roo we are all kinds of [ __ ] goofy today we're feeling Wily today what's your case my case has to do with the
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UFO fantastic I was like we're feeling goofy what's your case yeah that's the right energy to take into this I think
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um I'm going to talk about the Betty and Barney Hill um abduction story what um Betty and Barney Hill I would like to
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start this off by saying they are uh such a precious couple and I love them both I love them both so much you will
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also love them by the end of this they they just seem delightful I love them right now and you know you take what you
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will from this but I think it happened I think UFOs are real in fact I wanted to
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shout out a new show that well it's actually not new but it's new to me um that I've been watching on Showtime I
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was telling you about it the other day oh yeah it's JJ Abrams UFO show and it is so good it's either three or four
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parts I watched the first two and it is like chilling it's a it's an interesting
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subject everyone I know sometimes it gets the the old the old look over people are like UFOs I'm not really
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interested and it's like I don't know maybe it should be you sure about that you sure about that that's kind of like
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what the show goes over like how it's been like like oh like so TD when you really look into it but and when you
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look into we'll cover some more of these because they're very fascinating I love
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them when you get like a mass sighting where it's like 200 people see one or like the one in the birk shears in
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Massachusetts where over 200 people saw it something's ay there like you know we
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can't we can't discount it I love it so let's get into this because it's a quite
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a tail get into it yeah so we're going to start with talking about who Betty and Barney Hill are so you can get an
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idea of them how they came together all that fun stuff oh they're the cutest couple in the nation they're real cute
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so Unice Elizabeth Betty Barrett was born June 28th 1919 in Newton New Hampshire a Cana yeah and grew up on a
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farm in Kingston New Hampshire which is a small town near the Massachusetts border Massachusetts what what um you
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know farming was definitely a difficult and somewhat unprofitable life at the time but the bear were a super
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close-knit very cute very supportive family seemed like everything was you know pretty top-notch on there that end
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but you know she was a very curious very creative very highly intelligent child and she spent a lot of her early life
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just dreaming about Escaping The Farm life and going onto other opportunities according to her college
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friend Maryann Franklin who we'll mention later too uh Betty's first attempt at becoming independent and
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breaking out on her own was when she tried to join a traveling circus as an acrobat in training that's incredible
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but her parents wouldn't let her go lame they wouldn't let her join the circus why not so after graduating from high
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school in 1937 she enrolled at the University of New Hampshire UNH I've been there many times um she met and
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befriended her her college friend that we just mentioned Marian Franklin there Marian Franklin was the only black
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student on that campus oh at the time God imagine being in that position no I cannot on any level in any Galaxy and
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what time period was this um this was in 1937 oh God uh so it was through maryan
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Franklin that Betty learned this is like really the first she learned about the extent of the inequality and
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marginalization experienced by black Americans around the country but particularly in the South um and this is
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when Betty began really taking part in advocating for Liberal causes hell yeah um later Franklin said she was very
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active she may have had a problem as a result of that because so many people at the time were not accepting of racial
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Racial equality so she stepped out because she met Mary and Franklin became her friend and was like [ __ ] this I'm
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going to stand up for you hell yeah I love [ __ ] yeah Betty Betty forever Betty
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forever now in the summer following her sophomore year she um contracted a difficult and very longlasting abdominal
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infection and it actually stopped her from going back to UNH for her junior year she was
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like really sick um so instead while she was kind of healing up and you know while she was feeling better but not
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able to return to school she took a job waiting tables at Rudy's Farm Kitchen in
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Hampton New Hampshire Rudy Hampton is like a Seaside Town not far away from where she grew up I know Hampton and uh
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working there is when she met Bob Stewart who was the cook at Rudy uh she was immediately drawn to Bob this is not
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Bernie by the way I was like I don't care about Bob she was immediately drawn to Bob she said like he had a very warm
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personality he was very Charming got now what she said about Bob was Bob Stewart
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seemed like the best thing on the horizon so I grabbed him oh that's cute no so they dated for a little bit and
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got married in June 1941 and according to Betty um Bob had an ex-wife at the time and it was then that his ex-wife
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heard about him getting remarried was not pleased about it so Betty said she picked up the three kids and dumped them
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at Bob's mother's house oh and at this time Bob's mother was not able to care for three young children that were her
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grandchildren that's a lot so Bob and Betty took sole custody of the children and three years after this Betty
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officially adopted them oh wow yeah became a full-time mother full-time Homemaker um and Bob ended up getting a
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much better paying job at the Portsmith Naval Naval Shipyard the shipyard at the
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time was super super active because World War II was coming to a close lots of stuff going on literally everything
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going on in the story already yeah and at this point you look like okay this seems positive you know like they they
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took the kids Betty stepped up and was like you know you're mine now I'm going to take care of you but then you know
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once he gets the job at the shipyard all of a sudden she found out that Bob had been cheating on her with multiple women
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oh [ __ ] bob see I knew he was no Berry yeah and she said at first I thought he
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was a pretty good guy and it took me years to find out different oh that's really sad so after 14 years of marriage
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and raising his three children they ended up divorcing in 1955 kidding me she raised his kids and he was cheating
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on her all the while yeah what a douche luckily she did get some money from the divorce settlement good and so she
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bought her own house in Portsmith New Hampshire and found a job at a local department store she was like I'm I'm
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going to start start over so not long after she moved into the house she suddenly was approached by a
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representative from the Gulf oil company and they wanted to buy the house on behalf of the company what she's like I
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literally just bought this well and then she was like I just bought it this is like my first independent fora into the
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world like I'm feeling a little like weird territorial about this but she was like you know what I'm going to be a
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boss [ __ ] and I'm going to negotiate the [ __ ] out of this and she ended up getting more than twice what the company
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had initially offered and happily sold them the house Betty is a boss ass [ __ ]
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so not long after though she was like well it was nice she was like I'm a little worried I'm going to miss that
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house cuz it was like my first independent thing you know like all a sudden she was like wait I kind of feel
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like I kind of gave that up a little too quick so she went back to the gulf representative just out of curiosity she
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was like I'm just going to shoot my shot and she said what do you plan to do with
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that you know I I never really asked you what are the plans here and they said oh
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we're just going to tear it down why like okay how about I offer you $1 and I take the house and have it
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relocated to another lot and you can keep the lot are you serious and they agreed for a dollar so she made twice
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the money they offered her on that house and then got to keep it she bought the house back for $1 got to keep the entire
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thing and just gave them the property what a story yeah already and she moved the house to a nearby lot and she lived
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there for the rest of her life incredible I love that I'm so glad that she didn't have to give it up I know it
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really worked out your first house is so special yeah like that you get on your own you know and after what she went
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through it's like hell yeah Betty so in the summer of 1956 the house is being relocated from one lot to another and
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during that time Betty had to stay at a boarding house that was owned by a couple who recently moved to New
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Hampshire from Philadelphia now while at this boarding house she met Barney Hill
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let's go now at the time Barney was in the area on vacation with his wife Ruby and their young children oh and stayed
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at the like just for a time at the boarding house while they were passing through initially the hills and Betty
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they all got along very well she liked all of them they were all friends they they kept in touch they decided that you
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know everything was cool okay and later Barney and his wife ended up separating in
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1957 and they were not to like this was all long distance and stuff it's not like they were like meeting up or
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anything like that like they were genuinely friends it just happened they end up
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separating immediately he was like he ended up talking to Betty and was like she's such a good friend and blah for
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you and soon their friendship developed into romance and you know there was no funny business beforehand it doesn't
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sound like that it was just friendship that developed into something else that's beautiful now let's talk about
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Barney Let's so Barne calling him Barry earlier I'm sorry that's okay kept saying he's no Barry I mean he's no that
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guy was no Barry either so you were right he was not that so Barney Hill was born July 29th 1922 what
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does that make him July 29th hold on hold on my brain is farting [ __ ] okay my sister's birthday is
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July 25th and she is a Leo so I think that's Leo okay I'll take it so a Leo and a cancer I don't know how those two
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things line up yeah that's fine uh he was born in Newport News Virginia but little as was known about his early life
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um he ended up dropping out of high school and he worked a bit as a store clerk and then he ended up joining the
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Army he served there for three years as a truck driver in World War II uh he ended up being honorably discharged in
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1943 after a grenade incident oh wow and it was during his time in the military that he met and married his first wife
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Ruby and they had two sons in the decade that followed okay now after um after his discharge he found work as a mail
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carrier with the post office in Philadelphia and this is when he became very active in what was at the time the
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very burining civil rights movement and other community causes um he served as a
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committee man for his son's Boy Scout Troop oh yeah now at first Betty and Barney's relationship like I said was
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long distance they ended up really just talking through letters and phone calls how romantic I know but then it changed
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in the summer of 1957 because she re-enrolled that UNH and took an inter internship position with the Leighton
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Farm school which was a home for delinquent girls in Philadelphia oh wow now the internship in Philadelphia made
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it possible for Betty and Barney to be together in person love it they were romance romance romance and when the
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internship ended a few months later they were now facing being long distance again so Barney made the decision to
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relocate with Betty I love that so for Barney he had spent most of his life in and around Philadelphia so this was a
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big decision a big mood he was move he was up you know uprooting his whole life yeah and he had children too that he was
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like I'm going to have to really make this work and he was also going to be relocating to New Hampshire which was a
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place where he would be one of very few black people in the entire State yeah even today the population is only 10%
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people of color most of whom live in the larger cities not like the smaller areas
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right so this was like at the time especially a big source of stress yeah nerve-wracking I cannot claim to know
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what this feels like no way so for Barney the shift was very stressful but he did acclimate very quickly to life in
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Port Portsmith so he ended up making a lot of friends very easily hell yeah um with the tenants and Betty's building
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and some of the people in her Social Circle so he really just fell right into it he had a good Community yeah and as a
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US postal worker he was able to transfer from his job in Philadelphia to one in Boston like pretty easily nice so that
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wasn't an issue but the transfer meant that he would be working one of the shittiest shifts because he was
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transferred in uh which happened to be opposite Betty's schedule so they hardly saw each other at first oh that sucks
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and it's like they're just getting out of this long distance thing now when Betty and Barney married in May 1960
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their work schedules were so intense that they couldn't even take a honeymoon at first they had to go right back to
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work after getting married uh it would end up being uh 16 months before Barney was able to take time off from his
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postal route to actually go on a beded honeymoon oh my God that sucks so on September 15th 1961 he finally got
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approval to take a few days off from his job and he decided he was going to surprise Betty with a trip to Niagara
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Falls in Montreal oh my gosh awesome and he got the news on a Friday evening so he planned to wait until Monday he was
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like he told her what was going to happen but he was like we're going to go Monday cuz that's when the banks open
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and we can begin our trip right but Betty was like I don't even care what we do I just want to be together and like
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go so she was like I don't even care about the banks I don't care about getting more money like so they just
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pulled the cash they had on hand which was $70 in total oh my God and Betty was like that's enough it's fine with me and
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she was like if we stick to a tight budget we bring food with us we just don't eat at a ton of restaurants we'll
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be good we just want to like spend time together that's it like let's just go so
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I love them now early Sunday morning September 17th they packed up some food their stuff and they brought their daxon
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delie in the backseat and they began making their way to Canada I love this now they very strictly adhered to their
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budget on the first few days so Betty and Barney decided you know what we're going to make our way downtown to
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downtown Montreal on Tuesday Morning September 19th we'll book a motel for the night we'll take in a show in the
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city it'll be great it's so romantic I know but they got directions from somebody
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and unfortunately that person uh only spoke French so oh they misunderstood and it caused them to get
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lost on their way from Niagara to Montreal so they were driving east and they realized they had gotten very lost
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from the downtown area where the hell are we they' kind of wasted a lot of their day so they decided you know what
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let's just find a hotel for the night we'll try again tomorrow but then they realized oh wait it's difficult to find
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a hotel that's going to let a dog in oh true so to make matters worse there was also a tropical storm making its way up
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the East Coast from the southern states it was going to make driving conditions difficult it kind of felt like it was
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like all converging at once yeah so they were like you know what why don't we just start the 5H hour drive back to New
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Hampshire like you know what we're still together we're still making the trip together so even though they had heard
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that storm warning they said that the skies were very clear and they were by all weather accounts by the time that
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Betty and Barney passed over the border into the mountains of Northern New Hampshire so they were driving South
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along i93 and Ashland when Betty saw what she thought was a shooting star and she pointed it out to Barney but as they
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got closer it occurred to both Betty and Barney that whatever it was in the sky it had stopped moving oh it was just
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hovering in the air the thing which was large and they both said was cigar shaped okay seeming at the time it began
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to move forward slowly and then it began going upwards like ascending again and this is when Betty was like Barney pull
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over on the side of the road we need to get a better look at this like what the [ __ ] is that so outside of the car they
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looked up at this Wild Thing above them yeah they were super confused not really
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understanding what the hell was up there and they were also wondering how is this
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thing just hovering Motionless in the air like that yeah like gravity doesn't necessarily work like that and they
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couldn't hear anything like propeller is like a like helicopter that's creepy so
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Betty gave um gave Barney the binoculars they had brought with them on the trip and Betty later recalled and as he
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looked up he could see a row of men standing in the windows looking down at them I'm looking at the pictures right
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now like that they drew and I'm like oh what uh what so one by one apparently the figures watching through the window
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walked away and then the ship began to sending in their Direction so they had no idea what to do so they both jumped
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back in the car and headed south on Route three and the object is following them now oh and they said it was moving
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in a very erratic pattern above them yeah and I so Barney really didn't want to freak Betty out so he was trying to
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act like everything was fine and he was he said he was trying to be as calm as possible and just drive home yeah and
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his only reason was he didn't want to upset Betty oh so at one point Barney entertained the idea of stopping at a
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cabin or a Motor Lodge maybe just to be near other people cuz he was like we were just freaked out but he was like
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honestly I think we should just keep going so they drove for about a half hour and then they rounded a curve near
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Indian head which is a natural rock form formation and and actually a landmark in
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francon Franconia not um and they came to this like large open area and as soon as they came into this area they saw the
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flying object hovering about 100 ft up in the area right in front of their car oh and so Barney was startled by this
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and he said he slammed his foot on the brake cuz he wasn't ready for it and it was in the middle of the road that they
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came to a stop and he said he grabbed Betty's revolver and binoculars and got out of the car and moved closer to just
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see what the [ __ ] this thing was oh this is terrifying and he said he approached
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and the thing tilted forward slightly and two red lights began to Glow as fins on the side of the object began to part
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and the object started moving slowly forward the [ __ ] he was [ __ ] terrified and he rushed back into the
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car and told B uh Betty we got to get the [ __ ] out of here yeah like goodbye now they raced down the highway the
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object is literally above them still pursuing them essentially right and after a few minutes Betty and Barney
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could hear a buzzing sound and then they felt a strong vibration and a few minutes later they heard the buzzing
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again louder now followed by a much stronger vibration and this is when they said there was haziness like this part
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is kind of missed time because they later said that they would uh they they recalled encountering some kind of
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Roadblock and seeing a large Red Orb on the ground but they couldn't like the details were really fuzzy they were like
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I can't I don't I can't put these pieces together so the next thing they really remember was feeling this desperate need
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to be around other people they just didn't want to be alone oh and so Barney drove for a while searching for a
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restaurant that would be open something that other people would be around but they couldn't find anything open at that
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time oh God so they were like let's just get home so based on when they left Montreal and how long they'd been
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driving they expected to reach Portsmouth around 3:00 a.m. but when they did reach home they were surprised
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because the sun was coming up what and Betty wrote in her diary we entered our home turned on the lights and went over
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to the window and looked Skyward we felt very calm peaceful relaxed we sat at at
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the kitchen table looked at each other shook our heads in puzzlement and asked each other do you believe what happened
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we agreed it was unbelievable but it had really happened so they're exhausted yeah
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confused they what happened this chunk of time and Benny and bar decided you know let's get some sleep let's have a
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little nap like sleep it off see how we feel in the morning when we wake up in a
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few hours sure and when they woke up a few hours later Barney said you know what this is still bothering both of us
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so he said why don't you go into another room I'll sit here and we're going to draw what we saw okay so they did that
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and they drew what they saw and when they reconvened a few minutes later they saw that it was remarkably similar with
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they drawn so they they took that as okay we both saw this like this wasn't a hallucination we saw it now as far as
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Barney was concerned though even through this he was like this story even though
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I believe we saw it is beyond belief and he was like for our jobs and for our reputation in the community we should
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just keep this to ourselves I get that and just have this experience with each other especially that time period you
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don't want to like go stiring with [ __ ] and of course Betty who was never one to
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give in any public pressure very much disagreed with this but she was like this was incredible like we we can't
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just keep this to ourselves but she was like you know what I respect and understand your concern and so she was
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like you know what I'm not going to run wild but can I tell my sister and he was
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like of course you can thing is technically he's like a government employee so he's probably like I'm not
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about to talk about this [ __ ] and he was they were both very active in the um civil rights community and like the in
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activism and they didn't want this to overshadow or take away from any of the work they were doing so they were
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worried about that which is really sad though it is really sad so she called her sister Janet and who she called the
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only person who she could tell her story to without prejudice Janet listened and
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she was like wow this is wild but I believe you and then she was like okay I'll call you back so after hearing her
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sister's story Janet Miller phoned her neighbor who's a physicist and asked for advice about like anything he could tell
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him you know a physicist that seems like a a right person to talk to he's like she's like I don't know you're really
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smart yeah and coincidentally the neighbor had guests over that night and one of them was the former Chief of
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Police from the nearby town of Newton okay he said no this isn't crazy like don't worry and he said all UFO sighting
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should be reported to the peace Air Force Base like that's what we do so like tell her to report it okay so Janet
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thanked him hung up told Betty you know this is what you need to do and also gave her a basic experiment that the
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physicist had suggested that she try okay now according to the physicist Betty was to take a compass out to the
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car and walk slowly around the vehicle and just make note of any unusual changes in the compass as she walked now
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Barney was like I'm not doing that he was like I'm done with this he was like I want this behind us I don't even want
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to do this so he ref refused to go outside so Betty did it by herself uh and she said nothing unusual happened as
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she walked around the car and then she said and then she reached the trunk and she said she noticed a bunch of unusual
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shiny spots on the surface and she said about a size of a half dollar or silver dollar pretty big and she said she'd
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never seen them before so she placed the compass on the spots and it would spin wildly
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and she said as I was watching this I was filled with an unexplained feeling of absolute Terror I was standing there
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in the rain under the street light and telling myself don't scream keep calm and don't be afraid everything is all
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right I would be scared too so a few days later Betty did as her sister suggested as well and called the peace
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Air Force Base to report the whole experience Barney's probably like you better stop Bar's like Jesus so they
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gave a basic description of what they'd seen you know but they but he insisted they leave the part about seeing the
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humanoid figures looking at them out the window cuz he was like I I'm bad he was
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like very ashamed of this and it was very sad so a few hours later they got a call back okay from major Paul Henderson
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who had several follow-up questions and later Betty and Barney would learn that Henderson had taken detailed notes and
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submitted their description to Project Blue Book yes which is a study of unidentified flying objects conducted by
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the US Air Force between 1952 and 19 69 mhm so major Henderson's report to Project Blue Book is basically what we
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described it's almost exactly that just it includes but it also included a comment that provides um a little more
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insight into after their trip in the report he notes during a later conversation with Mr Hill he volunteered
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the observation that he did not originally intend to report the incident he says that on looking back he feels
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that the whole thing is incredible and he feels somewhat foolish he just kept cannot believe that such a thing could
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or did happen so in 1961 Barney Hill was the local chairman of the uh NAACP okay and a strong proud civil
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rights activist who was working tirelessly to advance the cause of equality in the community and in a
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community that wasn't very receptive to begin with so he was he was working [ __ ] hard like overtime and so he was
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also the founding board member of the Rockingham Community Action Program which is an organization that provides
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social and financial support to those in need wow and one that is still a vital part of the social service network on
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the Sea Coast today [ __ ] and he's also a black man from the south who was married
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to a white woman in a state where many residen were not going to accept or you know we're actively speaking out against
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interracial marriage right so because of all that to Barne the UFO incident was it was distracting from all his work he
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was doing and he said it was embarrassing and he was worried that any tabloid kind of publicity that came
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along with it would tarnish the battle that both of them were fighting for equality and dignity so as far as he was
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concerned they done their Duty they reported the sighting to the proper authorities and now he was like we're
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moving on right now Betty on the other hand was she wasn't like forced doing anything but she just was having trouble
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letting the experience go which I can understand that side of it too like how could you not have trouble with that
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exactly so just days after reporting the incident she went to the library and started checking out books about aliens
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and UFOs and she just wanted to hear other similar experiences just to I think she was also just trying to
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convince herself I didn't like have a la hallucination so her motivation was definitely just like you know Betty was
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a was a stubborn gal yeah she was strong W but also strange things have been had been happening
00:28:04
since this whole situation that she didn't know what to do about even aside from those like half dollar things yeah
00:28:10
so about 10 days after coming home uh Betty started having nightmares about the experience and she would also have
00:28:16
these really scary early morning flashbacks oo um and these flashbacks were really scary experiences from that
00:28:26
evening but ones she didn't initially remember so they were like they she wasn't certain if they were real if they
00:28:32
were a dream what was happening but they were very Vivid flashbacks yeah and she
00:28:37
said at first I didn't tell anyone about them they were so weird oh so from her reading all the library books Betty
00:28:46
eventually came across a report written by Donald Kio which was um he was a former major with the US Marines and was
00:28:53
the director of the national investigations committee on air on aerial phenomena which is naikap uh this
00:29:00
is a civilian group dedicated to investigating reports of UFOs okay in October 1961 Betty wrote a letter to
00:29:07
naikap told them about the experience and was just like I just want to let you guys know about this if you can just
00:29:13
take a look into things see if it's similar to something else yeah so she got a response a few weeks later and um
00:29:19
they let her know that they would be con that she was going to be contacted by Boston base NCAP member Walter web they
00:29:26
were very interested now a few weeks later web did come in contact with the hills and
00:29:32
recorded their story for naikap in a report titled a dramatic UFO encounter in the White Mountains of New Hampshire
00:29:40
now the description of the experience and web's report is again the same one that was given to Project Blue Book but
00:29:47
this time Barney allowed them to include the part about seeing the humanoid creatures in the window but they it was
00:29:56
like it was really the the the missing time that was the thing that was really bothering the hills like that time per
00:30:03
it was like this is all weird yes but like we're more concerned what the [ __ ] happened in this time period that
00:30:07
neither one of us can remember right and it was web's report that brought Betty and Barney story to the attention of
00:30:14
Robert homman who was a former interrogator for the US Army who was now working for IBM in the
00:30:20
1960s Homan was really interested as well in that missing time element of their story and as a former interrogator
00:30:28
he knew there were plenty of ways of recovering memories or forgotten details that could be useful they've had to do
00:30:35
it but contrary to apparently popular belief about this it wasn't homman who eventually suggested hypnosis as a w of
00:30:43
figuring this out it was actually his friend and fellow nightcap member Jim McDonald's who suggested that Jim
00:30:50
McDonald's was a former member of the US military in the CIA [ __ ] uh he met the
00:30:55
hills through homman and in the later half of 1961 he became very interested and very involved in filling in those
00:31:03
gaps of missing time for them he would go back to the scene of the encounter like they really went for this so these
00:31:10
efforts eventually LED them to a hypnosis session and this is when the details were uncovered so throughout
00:31:17
1962 and 63 Betty and to a much lesser extent Barney Dove Way deeper into the investigation into their experience
00:31:27
um they were very encouraged by the members of naikap and former military members who had taken intense interest
00:31:34
in this so they were still you know Barney was still very conscious about how this could make them look if the
00:31:41
story really got out so he was a little reluctant to spend time diving into the investigation but he tried to help
00:31:48
whenever he could yeah um and unfortunately about a year after the initial experience Barney's Health took
00:31:53
a turn oh no and he started experiencing debilitating head headaches and nausea and what's worse is his primary care
00:32:01
doctors couldn't figure out why radiation so believing the cause of Barney's symptoms was probably largely
00:32:08
psychological his doctor referred him to Dr Benjamin Simon who was a very well-known renowned and celebrated
00:32:16
neuros psychiatrist and had a practice in Boston Boston's Back Bay neighborhood okay so according to Betty's niece niece
00:32:24
Katherine Martin Dr Simon quote was skeptical about the existence of UFOs as extraterrestrial aircraft but he agreed
00:32:31
to work with Barney because he was worried and he truly believed that this problem was psychological in nature oh
00:32:37
no so when Barney and Betty actually went to Boston for his initial consult with Dr Simon uh in December 1963 they
00:32:45
both told the story together and it was so elaborate and they were so insistent on it that Dr Simon was like I'm going
00:32:53
to insist that you also receive treatment with me to Betty okay and she was like you know what I
00:32:59
want to help Barney get better so I'll do it so sure like I'll absolutely go through this okay so he was one of the
00:33:06
country's leading neuros psychiatrists at the time so he made a name for himself with a lot of things but um one
00:33:13
of the things he made a name for himself with was incorporating hypnosis into his
00:33:17
treatment plans oh that's cool um but he was quick to let the hills know you may
00:33:22
have seen stage hypnosis or like on late night shows or on you know these little
00:33:26
things but this is very different and he said he had actually pioneered the use of hypnosis to treat PTSD and soldiers
00:33:34
return returning from World War II oh [ __ ] so to Simon he said Barney symptoms
00:33:39
Beed a striking resemblance to the trauma related symptoms of soldiers which led him to believe that this could
00:33:45
be beneficial for both of them now beginning in late February 1964 they began a 3-we period of very
00:33:53
intense hypnosis sessions uh to try to uncover the these memories so for the first session Dr Simon was very pleased
00:34:00
he said because it seemed like Betty and Barney were excellent subjects for this
00:34:05
he said they had a great ability to fall into a deep trans-like State pretty quickly and easily and he put them in
00:34:10
different soundproof rooms so that they couldn't influence each other of course and in the earliest sessions both Betty
00:34:17
and Barney described the drive from niag or to Niagara of looking for a motel of
00:34:22
Barney's apprehension because he was very uncertain of the Civil Rights situation Canada so he was a little
00:34:28
nervous okay and in the second session Simon moved forward in time and started asking about their experiences while in
00:34:34
Niagara Falls and it was during the second session that Betty and Barney's descriptions of events kind of differed
00:34:40
a little bit um with Betty stated they got lost after asking for directions and Barney stated that he misread the map
00:34:48
okay insignificant difference in the grand scheme of things yeah I don't think that's like a big thing so through
00:34:53
the first few sessions with Dr Simon it was clear that Betty and Barney's accounts of the
00:34:59
trip differed in a lot of very insignificant ways um this is kind of hinting at the UN reliability of
00:35:08
hypnosis because emotions factor into our perception and memories of yeah everybody perceives things differently
00:35:16
and this is what's interesting because they definitely had different priorities and different different um focuses on
00:35:23
this trip and I think it it really colored their experience because in the transcripts of Barney's
00:35:30
hypnosis sessions it's clear that the trip to Canada or anywhere at that time was really stressful for him and
00:35:37
dominated by anxiety and concerns over how them as an interracial couple would be received in unfamiliar parts of the
00:35:45
USA and Canada I hate that he had to even go through that while he was on his honeymoon yeah that like that was his
00:35:49
main concern or that anybody has to go through that and in Betty's accounts hers are focus on the logistics of
00:35:56
travel and the anxieties about reaching their destination right so this is I don't believe their in you know their
00:36:04
inconsistencies and discrepancies are like deceit on any cu they're very insignificant not that like the deceit
00:36:11
wouldn't make sense it's not the details of like the the abduction or whatever I
00:36:16
think it's just that there's obvious differences in their priorities and fears and
00:36:21
worries and it comes out during hypnosis right which is interesting yeah Now by late March Dr Simon had done a ton of
00:36:30
sessions to establish a baseline okay and he was finally ready to go into the experience so Betty and Barney um at
00:36:37
first both described the scenario the exact same way that they did to the authorities at peace Air Force Base and
00:36:43
IAP and still under hypnosis under hynosis and like interesting and Barney said while the craft was following down
00:36:49
the highway following them down the highway he said I began to feel very alarmed and hope for some traffic so
00:36:55
again I wanted a other people to be around right now when he came to the part of the story where they had rounded
00:37:01
Indian Head uh Barney became visibly distressed and he actually asked to be woken up oh and Dr Simon assured him
00:37:09
you're safe you're in my office nothing's going to happen to you like please continue right and so Barney said
00:37:15
in a very anxious tone it's right over my head God what is it and I try to maintain control so Betty cannot tell
00:37:21
I'm scared God I'm scared oh that's like heartbreaking now clearly upset at this
00:37:27
point he became screaming uncontrollably oh my God and then became hysterical and
00:37:33
needed several minutes to compose himself before they went on holy [ __ ] did he have to get woken up or and well
00:37:38
like I think he I think they composed him while asleep but then he continued and he said this this is the transcript
00:37:45
this is ridiculous oh it's huge oh my God I can see it it's there and there are lights oh gez I don't believe this I
00:37:52
don't believe this I don't believe this it's huge and there are people there and
00:37:56
they're looking back at me oh my God help me if there is a God help me coming closer I'm coming closer there's a man
00:38:03
up there and he's not going to let me go away oh oh it's big 80 feet look at it oh look at it two red lights they're on
00:38:10
the side of it it's like it's like a pancake it looks I'm not going to say it I don't believe flying saucers are I'm
00:38:17
not going to say it I don't ever want to say that word again oh like so stressed
00:38:22
even under hypnosis I know I'm like oh my goodness and he struggled to continue but eventually composed himself enough
00:38:28
to describe the feeling of panic he felt when he said the humanoid creatures when
00:38:32
he saw those humanoid creatures um he said he saw one man who he believed to be the leader he was round-faced and
00:38:40
reminded him of a redheaded Irishman he said was he was a not too big man dressed in a military SC style cap and
00:38:47
black shiny jacket with a scarf D dangling over his left shoulder Barney also said he noticed the man had almond
00:38:54
shaped eyes which he'd never seen before for and that he conve the eyes conveyed
00:38:59
a terrifying Menace the likes of which he had experienced but he said only with some of the worst people he had ever
00:39:06
encountered jez and later he he remarked the man in Black in the black shiny jacket reminded me of a Nazi oh wow
00:39:14
that's really scary now in the session that followed he pre Dr Simon pressed Barney on what happened next and he said
00:39:21
that they tried to get away but encountered a roadblock that he' previously described as a fiery red ball
00:39:27
so the transcript says I made a turn and I never knew this I don't know why I had
00:39:31
to make that turn and I was lost I saw I was on a strange area of the highway that I had never been before and I was
00:39:38
being stopped I was very uncomfortable but somehow the eyes of the men in the craft were telling me that I should be
00:39:44
calm and I would not be harmed and to relax and I saw those men coming towards me oh in her sessions Betty's
00:39:51
recollection was very similar okay and to the dreams that she was having after they got home so in her session she
00:39:59
described watching as the men emerged from the craft took hold of Barney and led almost carrying him into the craft
00:40:07
and then came back to get her and she said they had him under some kind of control and he couldn't get away and she
00:40:15
said when they returned for her she remembered walking voluntarily to the ship with the men she's like my man is
00:40:21
in there yeah she was like I'll go get him right so she said I was more or less walking under my own power and then she
00:40:27
said as we neared the door um that she began fighting the men until they got a hold of her and marched her inside okay
00:40:34
she said they bruised me a little bit I had torn my dress in the struggle it had
00:40:38
a built-in lining and I was struggling so badly that the stitching on the inside of the dress had been torn out so
00:40:43
in places it was hanging down oh wow now inside the ship Betty described being taken to an examination room with Barney
00:40:50
which he described as being like a Hospital operating room and in Betty's recollection she said her clothing were
00:40:57
removed and they began examining her body she said and this is going to get like kind of graphic just to let
00:41:02
everybody know okay I could feel them turning me over and putting something in my rectum oh God she said I felt it Go
00:41:09
in very easily and then it was withdrawn as they examined her body and collected
00:41:14
specimen she said nothing hurt she said she could hear them humming in a low tone and she said she
00:41:20
believed they were communicating to each other that way it sounded like a conversation but hums okay and Barney
00:41:27
also described here seeing the men communicate with hums okay and he said but he saw them open their mouth to make
00:41:34
the noise she hadn't seen them when they were communicating like that sure so like Betty Barney also recalled being
00:41:40
pred and ped prodded by the captors and he said I have the most peculiar feeling
00:41:45
that something was placed against my genital parts and he said it was more as if my parts were in a solution of
00:41:52
something that was there that had sub substance to it that had body to it so he claimed that the men took many
00:41:59
samples from every orifice of his body wow leaving him with the feeling of having been touched mhm so in the final
00:42:07
exam Betty says the men performed what she understood to be kind of a pregnancy test by inserting a large needle into
00:42:14
her navl and she said I would say the needle was 4 in Long 6 in maybe and she said there was a tube attached to it and
00:42:21
they didn't leave it in very long just a second what now once it was removed she
00:42:26
was left alone in the room with the man they believe to be the leader okay and she started she said we had a
00:42:33
conversation so according to Betty the leader gave her a book to read and she said the text went up and down it was
00:42:41
different it had short lines and some were very thin and some were medium and some were heavy they had some dots and
00:42:47
they had some straight lines and curved lines and she asked the leader where they had come from and the man asked how
00:42:54
much she knew about the universe and then got up and directed her attention to a large map on the wall and she said
00:43:01
the map looked like what she assumed were stars or like the Galaxy of some sort but she said very different from
00:43:07
any star map I've ever seen it doesn't look like what you are picturing but she said something about it felt like that's
00:43:14
what it was yeah context clues and the leader asked Betty um where Betty thought she was on the map what and she
00:43:22
laughed and said I have no idea and he said if you don't know where you are there wouldn't be any point in telling
00:43:29
you where I am what which is like chilling that's so I don't even understand he's like I
00:43:35
could point to you where I'm from but if you don't know where you are right now then what's the point so creepy and I
00:43:43
was like okay okay Mr depth like for real like that was like philosophical you little hipster I was like I liked
00:43:51
that but according to Betty she spoke with him for a little more a little more time about various aspects of human life
00:43:59
on Earth until finally the conversation ended and Betty and Barney were allowed to dress and were escorted back to their
00:44:05
car by two men and they regained what I guess could be described as Consciousness at that point and we're
00:44:12
just driving along Route three towards Portsmith weird so the whole thing took like a couple hours I guess I guess like
00:44:19
the time just like jumped yeah so from the moment he began working with the hills Dr Simon was very clear that he
00:44:26
had little if any interest in UFOs wow and was entirely motivated by his desire to just help Barney Hill relieve his
00:44:34
stress symptoms yeah um so when he was asked questions later like years later about this whole experience he was very
00:44:41
reluctant to engage in anything that could treat UFOs as a serious subject he was like uh like in the introduction to
00:44:49
a book about the Hill's experience called the interrupted Journey um he wrote the Charisma of hypnosis has
00:44:56
tended to Foster the belief that hypnosis is the magical and loyal road to the truth in one sense this is so but
00:45:03
it must be understood that hypnosis is the pathway to the truth as it is felt and understood by the patient the truth
00:45:10
is what he believes to be the truth and this may or not be consistent with the ultimate non-personal truth okay so when
00:45:17
the hypnosis session was done Betty and Barney continued their relationship with
00:45:21
Dr Simon through more traditional therapy as well um a year actually and they ended up being in correspondence
00:45:28
for many years after like they kept in touch they were they kept the relationship nice and I think Dr Simon
00:45:35
is like listen this is what was told the transcripts are true they both had genuine reactions their emotions about
00:45:42
it were genuine they were in different rooms when they told these stories and they line up almost perfectly and he
00:45:48
said and he's saying they are not deceiving us this could very well be the truth like the absolute non-personal
00:45:57
truth reality yeah or it could be that both of them truly believe that this happened and that this is what they
00:46:04
experienced in some way shape or form whether it be whatever you know what I mean like
00:46:10
this could be just their truth but we will not know like that's all we know is that they both came out with these
00:46:17
things under hypnosis in separate rooms with very real emotions attached to them
00:46:22
and no sign of Deceit that's crazy which is like that really all you can take out
00:46:27
of that and be like that's pretty incredible it is that's I think that's the perfect word for it incredible and
00:46:33
honestly this probably would have been the end of their experience with like the world of UFOs and alien abductions
00:46:39
like them going through this hypnosis session um but an unexpected newspaper item in the Boston traveler in the fall
00:46:47
of 1965 took them out of the ordinary citizens who just went through this and dealt with it on their own kind of thing
00:46:54
to like the biggest names in the UFO commit yeah so in November 1963 the way it happened is really shitty too I feel
00:47:02
bad for them they didn't seek this out I hate that so Betty and Barney were invited by the two-state UFO study group
00:47:08
to present their story to the group's um members at a private event in quinsey Massachusetts the group had found out
00:47:16
about the hills through naikap and had reached out to Betty um at the time when she was very desperate for answers so
00:47:22
she was like I'll participate to this like private event oh no investigators like you're all just like it's the same
00:47:28
kind of thing as naikap like this is it's private it's private they're just trying to understand this they're not
00:47:34
here for publicity um and what sucks is that she didn't know and a lot of other people didn't know that a reporter for
00:47:41
the Boston traveler John Latrell was in the audience that night and recorded the
00:47:45
entire presentation isn't that illegal it's a real [ __ ] move and it gets shittier cuz you can't record people
00:47:52
without their consent I don't know what the situation is there huh but 2 years later in the fall of 65 Latrell was
00:48:00
writing an article about another reported UFO incident uh in exitor New Hampshire which is known as the exitor
00:48:07
incident yep uh and he reached out to the hills for comment on this like talking about this other incident and he
00:48:14
said he wanted to include their story in the article to kind of beef it up and they still wanted to remain anonymous a
00:48:22
little bit they were like we dealt with this on our own we shared our story with
00:48:25
the you know with the private group so they could do their investigation to help them but we're not looking to be in
00:48:31
newspapers and [ __ ] so they declined to speak with him they were like no we would like and they said the only thing
00:48:37
we will ask is do not include us in the article at all fair we don't want our incident in there we don't want any of
00:48:42
it so um so yeah it's so and Betty said I do not know this is what she had said I
00:48:49
do not know what effect publicity would have on Barney's position in so many of the things he is doing that's what she
00:48:55
said to him I don't want publicity because it's going to ruin what he's done for the community and that's been
00:49:00
his number one thing throughout this whole process ordeal um being a slimy [ __ ] and ignoring the Hill's request to
00:49:06
remain nomus which was very black and white like literally told him do not include us in that he still did Latrell
00:49:13
published the article on the Boston traveler on October 25th 1965 and he frequently referenced the hills
00:49:20
experience and quoted heavily from Betty's presentation at the uh conference in quiny how did he get away
00:49:28
with that not only that it also very much trivialized and sensationalized their story for like his own game yeah
00:49:38
um and it also caused them to seriously question who the [ __ ] they could trust
00:49:42
anymore they were like what the [ __ ] we told you not to include us so cuz aside
00:49:47
from that presentation in 1963 to the private group and talking to the government agents they talked about with
00:49:55
it Betty had only told her sister and maybe like one or two close friends about the incident private so the fact
00:50:02
that he was doing this felt like a Betrayal on like a massive front what an [ __ ] so the article in the Boston
00:50:08
traveler prompted a ton of calls from reporters all around New England all wanting comments and interviews and
00:50:16
Betty recalled I took the newspaper and locked myself in the bathroom I was stunned unbelieving I noted it was going
00:50:22
to be a series to run for 5 days oh oh no now the next day when she went to work Betty to work at the New Hampshire
00:50:30
Division of Welfare she was met at the door by flurry of reporters all trying to get a comment and later when Betty
00:50:38
and Barney arrived home after work the phone was ringing off the hook and they just wanted to like go on with their
00:50:44
lives yeah they did their due diligence they did everything they were asked to do right they didn't seek this in the
00:50:50
days after that they were approached by strangers everywhere they went asking questions some some people wanted
00:50:56
autographs oh that's so weird and it sucks it's so sad and it's like all of this they had no way of knowing that
00:51:03
doing that private speech just to people who they were trying to help and not gain any publicity that it was going to
00:51:11
have the potential to compromise their jobs and undermine all the Civil Rights work that Barney and and Betty had done
00:51:18
up until this point so seeing no other option at this moment Betty and Barney were like all right we got to try to get
00:51:25
in front of this now it's out like so we now we got to take control of it so they
00:51:30
said not latrell's article included their story but also quoted them without their permission so that was a serious
00:51:38
misrepresentation right they had no way of controlling that um and it misrepresented their experience and it
00:51:44
misrepresented them as people so they were like you know what we'll go out and we tell the story and we'll be like we
00:51:52
have we have to now so on the evening of November 30th 1965 they held their own event at the Garrison Inn in do New
00:52:02
Hampshire which was only a few miles from their home in Portsmith and they talked to a crowd of more than 600
00:52:08
people who attended oh my God they were probably so nervous yeah and Betty opened up the program by giving a brief
00:52:15
overview of the history of UFO sightings I love her she said up until the 19th century there have been over 300
00:52:21
scientific recordings of us UFOs and this rate has continued up until the present time and as evidence Betty
00:52:29
shared stories of sailors and other respectable citizens who reported the sightings including the recent sighting
00:52:35
in exiter that had started this whole thing so with the introduction uh after the introduction Betty and Barney began
00:52:43
the presentation part and they told their entire version of the events Barney said I thought it was probably a
00:52:49
helicopter but I heard no familiar worrying of the propellers I then became quite apprehensive got back into the car
00:52:55
and continued driving Southward he finished telling the story and then the audience just went nuts asking questions
00:53:03
uh wanting to know whether they appeared threatening hostile like very normal questions sure and they and you know
00:53:09
they answered they did not feel like at first they were scared but they didn't come off as hostile or threatening and
00:53:15
they didn't hurt them um and the audience was like were like did you suffer any ill effects from this like
00:53:21
were you hurt did you you know and Barney said no we we feel pretty F and we both felt like we had just been in
00:53:27
contact with something and they said alien it's a very very hard feeling to describe so for Betty and Barney so that
00:53:35
worked out well because people were asking genuine questions L to them story so for Betty and Barney who were very
00:53:43
anxious telling their story publicly the overwhelmingly positive response from the audience was definitely validation
00:53:51
for their experience they deserved that and this did begin a lifelong um in involvement in the pursuit of evidence
00:53:57
of UFOs and extraterrestrial terrestrial to Earth it's really hard to say um in the years that followed their experience
00:54:05
became you know a popular book The interrupted Journey which was adapted into a television film the UFO incident
00:54:12
y um starring James Earl Jones and Estelle Parson Parsons as Betty and Barney love uh there were books movies
00:54:19
lots of media that followed all that craziness now unfortunately on February 2th
00:54:26
1969 Barney Hill died unexpectedly from a cerebral hemorrhage oh my God he was only 46 years old oh my God they only
00:54:34
got that much time together that's awful and what's even worse is despite everything he had done in his life for
00:54:42
the Civil Rights Movement his community his obituary in the Portsmouth Herald focused almost entirely on the UFO
00:54:50
incident that's really shitty the opening paragraph say describes his as a Portsmith Postman who maintained he and
00:54:58
his wife were taken captive aboard a UFO in the White Mountains it's like okay he
00:55:02
did like a gazillion other wonderful things for his community that's so shitty um now he died only a year after
00:55:09
Betty's father died oh God po Betty and a few months after their beloved Dash and delie died no so she was devastated
00:55:18
and it took months before she could even you know function yeah but her lifelong
00:55:23
friend Maryann Franklin from college um said she always suspected that Betty never stopped grieving for her
00:55:31
soulmate like just RI my heart out ruined me they were soulmates they absolutely were no
00:55:39
in the years after Barney died Betty threw herself into the world of UFO stuff um you know speaking at
00:55:46
conferences she gave interviews she would she investigated she was like I'm going to find answers yeah well you
00:55:53
probably spend the rest of your life wondering what the [ __ ] happened to me but she also maintained her full-time
00:55:58
job as a social worker for the New Hampshire Department of Welfare wow and by the late 1990s at that point she was
00:56:04
like you know what I'll just fade into the background in the UFO stuff like I'm going to gracefully bow out and just let
00:56:10
someone else take that over yeah and she was just kind of done with the attention
00:56:14
at that point um and so she said and you know what she said I I'm no longer really questions consumed with questions
00:56:20
about the universe so I feel like very content peaceful and so she was like decided to transfer into a new hobby
00:56:27
which is family genealogy very cool and she said she was just really interested that some of her ancestors met the
00:56:34
pilgrims now on October 17th 2004 Betty Hill died from lung cancer in her the Portsmith home she lived in since the
00:56:43
1950s the one that she bought for a dollar back after back for a dollar she was 85 years old hell yeah Betty and
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although Betty and Barney Hill will definitely be remembered by most for this fantastic tale that occurred in
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September 1961 it is very important to remember them as also hugely important in their in civil rights movements in
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their Community inequality of course like they committed their entire lives both them to that like that should be
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also right up there with this wild incident that happened perhaps above it one might think exactly so that is the
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story of Betty and Barney Hill what a wild story believe something happened man I believe them yeah I believe
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something happened that [ __ ] is so scary it'll be interesting to see what you guys believe and just be nice about it
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especially now so much more [ __ ] is coming out about yeah aliens and if you don't believe it that's fine just don't
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yeah just don't be mean don't be mean to people who do or people who are interested in it yeah exactly there's
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plenty of things that people are interested in that you're not and vice versa sometimes the internet can make it
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like if you believe certain things then you're a piece of dog [ __ ] and I'm going
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to [ __ ] all over you for it don't do that don't be that person on the internet don't be that guy have
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important discussions about it cuz this is interesting it is interesting I agree
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and Betty and Barney Hill for life I love their love yeah wow so yeah well with that we hope you keep listening and
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we hope you keep it we but it's weird that you get abducted by aliens yeah don't keep it that way keep it that
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weird bye [Music]