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hey weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is [Music] morbid it's morbid this is morbid and
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it's kind of like a uh an update on a case that's coming a little late yeah because we don't know when anything
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comes out yep you know that for one and then two this has a lot of um it has its
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own cases associated with it so this is like a a whole thing um this is a very late discussion again of the lady in the
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dunes case and the update oh I've always been so interested in that case and then
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when the update finally hit I was like oh damn you said oh [ __ ] I said we should cover that and we are
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talk about the suspected crimes of guy malaven let's go sister um it's raining by the way so if you hear any like
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pitter patter that's why it is yeah we have skylights above us and you know so soothing it's so soothing but it's like
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hella windy outside and it knocked over my Christmas plants and it's knocking out the the Wi-Fi every now and then so
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so good luck to us so everybody hang tight but anyway sorry I interrupted you because that's who I am as a person you
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did that's really rude it's who I am as a person so I guess I'm rude you're a rude [ __ ] is what you are
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no you're not uh so we're going to talk about this let's go back to the original
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lady in the dunes case first so when a girl walking on a p Town that's Province Town I'm going to call it P toown though
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because that's what I know it as uh when a girl walking on a Ptown Massachusetts
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Beach discovered the decomposing body of a young woman in the summer of 1974 it began as an investigation into
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what would definitely become one of the most notorious and well-known cold cases
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in Massachusetts history for sure oh yeah but just in general yeah like everybody in anybody who was had an
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interest in True Crime or had looked into any kind of true crimey things you would come up upon this case and the
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enduring mystery that was associated with it and the victim who remained unidentified for nearly five decades
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just crazy that's wild so this victim and her killer were the source of so much speculation too we even talked
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about it in our episode about it yeah this speculation and theorizing ranged from being an extra in the Jaws films um
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to a victim of the local mob yep and Whitey of course the local mob yeah I was like indeed and Whitey mhm who was
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his own thing what was I thought he was anti mob no he's like part of the mob oh
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he's anti-drug anti-drug that's what it is he's anti- like well not I shouldn't say anti-drug but you know look into
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look into Whitey pure if everybody's grandpa has a different opinion of Whitey okay true in my mind I thought he
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was not the mob hi funny um so after decades literal decades like I said of complete mystery
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not being able to tie anyone to this DNA from the remains of who was known as the
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lady of the dunes was subject to extensive genetic matching and was finally identified she was 37-year-old
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California resident Ruth Terry so sad like oh it's awful what happened to her so awful 37 years old yeah and a year
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later authorities in Massachusetts announced their main suspect in the murder was guy mdav who was Terry's
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husband at the time of her death um malavan died in 2002 oh [ __ ] and so he couldn't be prosecuted for the
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crime so the case was finally closed but identifying Ruth's killer brought an end
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to literally one of the most enduring murder mysteries in Massachusetts oh for sure but identifying the lady of the
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dunes and who killed her turned out to be actually the beginning of a brand new series of mysteries in fact
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investigators soon learned this might not have been Mal dav's first murder I mean given how brutal it was that checks
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and in fact it could have it's one of several mysterious disappearances that all link back to him oh yeah I hate that
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he died and like didn't serve any time for I hate that that guy died this oh it pisses me off and go and literally did
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get away with this yeah so let's go back to the lady of the dunes in case you need a little bit of a recap here on the
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afternoon of July 26th 19 74 Leslie metf a local Ptown girl left a friend's Cottage along the National Seashore and
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began chasing after her dog when she reached the dunes about a mile from the race Point Ranger Station Leslie could
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hear the dog barking from somewhere close by so she walked about you know like 50 yards into the brush and she
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ended up seeing something strange but she looked at it and was like I think that's a dead animal so her first
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thought was like I don't want to get too close and she's like and I should grab the dog and get the [ __ ] out of here cuz
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dog's going to try to like eat it yeah so she got a little closer just to grab the dog and get out of there but when
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she did Step Closer she noticed that it wasn't an animal it was clearly a woman and she was very clearly dead in fact
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she had been dead for some time and the cause of death appeared to be a quote fist sized hole in her left temple my
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God Leslie ran to tell her parents what she'd found and a few hours later the beach was absolutely crawling with
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investigators detect Ives crime scene tax press you name it since the 1940s Ptown Massachusetts has been a popular
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vacation destination still is very popular yeah huge tourist so much you know like yeah and because of this you
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know other places that are like this can understand this because of this the local officials do have to deal with
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like a fair share of crime of course be it's small crimes or big crime it's not like it's this crime ridden area it's
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just a bunch of people are coming from all over the place you're going to get some undesirables CA some [ __ ] now and
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it's and honestly this is like a very popular place to um like to go stay or vacation at for several months of the
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year so at least for those several months that's when they really have to worry about crime ticking up the other
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times pretty chill right um but rarely had police dealt with the kind of Cruelty that they saw here B B on the
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advanced decm the medical examiner estimated that this woman had been laying on the beach for at least a week
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um but probably longer the the body was lying face down on a beach blanket her head was nearly decapitated from her
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body wild her skull had been bashed in with a blunt object and both hands and one forearm were missing yep um it
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appeared as though her killer had left her with her head lying on her clothing which had been neatly folded that's the
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part that always yeah and there was no signs of resistance like I was saying so that led investigators to theorize that
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maybe she had known her killer um one park ranger said there was no sign of a struggle even the sand hadn't been
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Disturbed there was very little evidence really at all collected at the scene and
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there was no identification on the body so they knew that was going to be a challenge to tell who she was and
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remember we're in the 70s I was just going to say now during the autopsy the medical examiner found evidence that the
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victim had been sexually assaulted and this is very graphic I apologize she had been sexually assaulted by a piece of
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wood which is absolutely horrific um she had been subjected to strangulation and
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the cause of death was listed as blunt force injury to her skull so she was like tortured absolutely the Hands and
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Teeth of their victim had been removed as well uh at least some of the teeth had been removed they the and they
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theorized that this was probably done to disu and identification of course yeah now the medical examiner also noted that
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the victim from what they they could tell from what she had left that she had had extensive dental work done in recent
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years and they described it as New York style and estimated it to have cost anywhere from $5,000 to $10,000 which is
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now is a lot back then even more even more um as investigators expected you know attempts at identifying the victim
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without hands without some teeth yeah you know like that's really really difficult anyways and in the 70s exactly
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it's difficult to identify someone when you have all those things sometimes right never mind when that's gone so the
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Press dubbed her the lady of the dunes as far as the local police knew no one had been reported missing no one had
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come forward to identify the woman in the police sketches so they weren't really confident that she was a local at
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that point and they they were correct mhm uh and while it was not unusual for young people or those you know that
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didn't have the means to rent a room in the area or any of the cottages for them
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to sleep on the beach like that was not a strange thing especially in the 70s and also like a really nice area it is
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it's beautiful the victim's extensive and expensive dental work suggested that she was probably not from a workingclass
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background right so that probably wouldn't have been what they were doing she would have been able to stay
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somewhere without any leads or any way to identify the body the case went cold within a few months and in October of
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that year the remains were buried in an unmarked plot in a local Cemetery which is so sad it was so sad cuz she just
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went into the ground unknown unknown completely but but brutalized and unknown now over the years as advances
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in you know Science and Technology kind of brought forth new investigative techniques you know things like DNA and
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even fingerprinting became more advanced like all these things Advanced the body
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was exhumed and examined for new Clues but nothing ever really came out of it like no significant leads you know and
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at this point it is just this woman's body they didn't know who she was it also gets harder and harder as
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decomposition you know advances and in the absence of any leads or any suspects members of law enforcement and the
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public started to speculate as to who this person could have been because they were like somebody's got to come up with
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something yeah we got to theorize a little yeah so some believed that she was an extra in Steven Spielberg's film
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Jaws which had been filmed that summer on Martha's Vineyard and maybe they thought she drifted over after
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production ended sounds kooky a little bit cuz you're like she was an extra in jobs but it kind of made sense everybody
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in P toown at the time was an extra in jobs yeah so you were like maybe yeah and others thought she was you know the
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missing attempted murderer Rory kessinger who had escaped from a Plymouth jail the previous year um and
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some thought she might have been a victim of Boston mob boss Whitey buer that's the guy who often spent time in
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Ptown and was known to remove the teeth of his victims yep and the whole hands thing they're really going to extensive
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lengths to stop identification did did come off very mob yeah definitely uh every Theory no matter how kooky or
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unrealistic it sounded was investigated and ruled out the investigators here I remember like when we covered this I was
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so like taken by how personal the investigators took this case yeah like they just did not want to let this go
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like it was not something that they were willing to good Massachusetts folks just
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good Massachusetts guys you know you know these cops are all right yeah but after Decades of Investigation
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detectives never made any progress on the case no matter how hard they tried and but they didn't let it go finally in
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the fall of 2022 after nearly 50 years Massachusetts FBI agents held a press conference to
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announce that they thanks to the beauty of DNA analysis and extensive genealogical research the lady of the
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dunes had finally been identified as Ruth Marie Terry she was quote a Tennessee native wife and mother a
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mother oh investigators spent the better part of a year investigating Terry's husband at the time guy mdav who again
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died in 2002 the da wrote in a press release in 2023 based on the investigation into the
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death of Miss Terry it has been determined that Mr malaven was responsible for Miss Terry's death now
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according to the DA Robert gallaba I love that name uh the couple had married five months before just five months five
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months in Reno Nevada I'm sorry I say it wrong but I'm from Massachusetts that's how we say it
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and drove across the country to Tennessee to visit Terry's family after they got married then traveled up to New
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England that summer so they had just been at her family's house in Tennessee that's unreal when this man did this as
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soon like right when they left yeah and this is even worse when Mel Daven returned in the fall uh still driving
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Ruth's car by the way he told her friends and family that she had just passed away what yep when Ruth's brother
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pressed mdav for answers because what the [ __ ] she 37 years old passed away malav said quote that they had a fight
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during their honeymoon and he had not heard from his wife again that does not check he then made some mention of her
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running off to join a cult and said when she didn't return he sold her belongings
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nice yeah and Ruth's family never believed this explanation and they always suspected that he had done
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something to Ruth but without any evidence to disprove what he was saying their hands were tied of course which I
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feel [ __ ] awful for her family to know and you're that you're right about something as serious and as devastating
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as this and to not be able prove it yeah torture it must have been torturous I oh
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it's awful so in their press conference and press releases the de uh the District Attorney's Office revealed few
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details about the investigation or the circumstances that led to Ruth Terry's death after killing Ruth in Ptown mdav
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returned to California where he had an Antiques business he married two more times and became active in his community
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in selenis before again dying in 2002 after a long illness his obituary in the Californian described him as an artist
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actor and poet not a douche bag no mention of his several previous marriages huh um also every time I hear
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the Californian I think of the SNL skits The Californians oh one of the funniest
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skits I like a running skit that they have called The Californians is that where they're like trying to give
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directions okay California accent I can't I laugh every time I hear the California said I sounded like that
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once you're so mean now descriptions of an elderly G guy Mal Daven really didn't match those
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of a man capable of committing a brutal rape murder and dismemberment yeah um one friend told the independent in 2023
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he was great I really loved him I mean he was terrific and I was very close to him but the more investigators learned
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about M daven's past the more plausible it seemed that uh yeah he would kill his
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wife he wasn't so terrific and also it may not have been the first time he did it I mean that makes a lot of sense to
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me given again how brutal her death was also my goodness that he can have somebody who is actually close to him
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after this be like no he was a great guy like I loved him you also feel so bad for those people my goodness them
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exactly so duped like you think you know someone and then you find this out about
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them yes it's like what the [ __ ] like and and it shows you how he was able to compartmentalize pieces of himself which
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is so common in these kinds of people exactly and you can see it doing like throughout his life this is how he's a
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very big manipulator he's a good charmer he's a good con man he can con anyone he's able to get did you say three wives
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or four wives he had several wives I don't even know how many he had at the end to get that many women to marry you
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you have to be somewhat Charming absolutely you have to be able to turn it on now guy Rockwell malaven was born in
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Santa Fe New Mexico on October 26th 1923 I think that Mak him a Libra oh really I'll check uh oh oh he's a Scorpio there
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you go like he was like I we do not claim him as Libras no um he was given up for adoption at Birth and he was
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quickly adopted by Abe and Sylvia malaven and he was raised on a little cattle ranch in Tiberia New Mexico along
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with his brother Michael who was 6 years older not a lot is known about his life
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but according to a press report he was quote schooled in Switzerland New York and Connecticut and was tutored
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privately so he was uh well [ __ ] off he was doing okay in his younger years it looked like the
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family traveled extensively through Cuba Germany Italy France damn court documents show that um in addition to
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the ranch in New Mexico the family quote bought Landon properties in towns in the
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late 1940s and mid 1950s so they had houses and places to live in water flushed with
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cash in 1942 malav moved to New York and he decided to change his name he changed
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he changed his name to guy Raul Rockwell huh yeah and took a job as a professor at the Academy of dramatic arts which I
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did not see coming I did not see coming either it was there that he met and soon
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married his first wife Joel and loop oh that's a cute name Jo an adorable name Jo and loop former beauty pageant
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contestant and model oh stop it not long after marrying the couple relocated to Fortuna California I had to look that up
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yeah could be Fortuna or fora Fortuna I don't know where guy I found work as an actor singer an occasional DJ at Kem
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radio Frey Frey there you go it is in California where many people believe his criminal career began uhoh um and it
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began in a really scary way it began with the murder of a young couple on a beach in Eureka Oh weird that it was on
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a beach too chill weird now on the evening of June 17th 1950 28-year-old Henry beard a delivery driver for a
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local bakery showed up at the at the Sweet Shop which was a local Fortuna Diner to meet his girlfriend Barbara
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Kelly for a date uh the couple went to a movie and after they went out to table Bluff which is a popular Lovers Lane
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overlooking the water oh I love a lovers lane moment you know everything's seemed
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to have gone you know fine smoothly yeah but the following morning a local fisherman and his son getting ready to
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go out on their boat for the day discovered the body of Henry beard lying on the beach nude except for shoes and
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socks oh he was laying face down and had what appeared to be a bullet hole in the
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back of his head jeez his clothes were in a pile not far from his body and alongside his clothes were several
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pieces of women's clothing but Barbara Kelly was nowhere to be found now police arrived at the scene pretty quickly but
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aside from the clothing there was really nothing to be gathered or any witnesses
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to question this is like a lovers lane situation right the Lighthouse Keeper at the nearby Coast Guard Lighthouse
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station told detectives that Henry's car was the only vehicle he'd seen come down
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the road to the bluff that night but he never saw it leave okay now the car was found a few yards from his body both
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doors a jar and the 22 caliber pistol that he was known to keep in his glove book compartment was missing oh as far
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as investigators could tell there was really no sign of a struggle where he was found and a $20 bill was found in
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be's wallet among the clothes indicating that robbery was probably not the motive
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here right and his body was taken to a mortuary in Fortuna where the deputy coroner Dr Gavin Goble performed an
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autopsy according to Goble he found quote several pieces of a copper jacketed 22 caliber bullet in Henry
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brain and he expected his death was quote instantaneous well at least there's that yeah now according to Goble
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the bullet entered the back of his of Henry's skull and exited the front right side of his head while the bullet was
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clearly the cause of death he also noted that Henry's skull seemed quote to be unusually crushed for so light a bullet
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as a 22 caliber and the coroner suspected that maybe he had also been struck in the head oh okay now the
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murder of Henry beard was the most obvious crime for investigators but it was followed very closely by the
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question on everyone's mind which was where the [ __ ] is Barbara Kelly according to Barbara's parents Henry and
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Barbara had been dating for a little over two months and despite their difference in ages there was nothing
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concerning about their relationship to anyone okay well that's good on the night of the murder Barbara had left a
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quickly scribbled note for her parents telling them she was planning to spend quote Saturday night with a girlfriend
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in Eureka so she was she was a little fibby FIB you don't fib and that was the last they heard from her which is very
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sad after clearing the scene on the beach investigators started talking with the press one Deputy told a reporter of
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the motive it could be anything maybe she ran away maybe she and he made a suicide PCT we're still in the dark I
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feel like the 50s they love to just be like I bet it's a suicide Packa I feel like that was like a thing that like
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like back then I feel like it was like maybe they did you know what I bet they decided to have a suicide pack together
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it was like why did why and also like why would she then run off to do it elsewhere yeah why like I don't I don't
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get it for qua I don't get it at all now within a few days the Sheriff's Office had put together their initial theory
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that the couple had indeed made a suicide pcta and that Barbara had shot Henry in the head then removed her
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clothing and walked into the ocean to drown I don't think most people aside for opilia and Hamlet would choose that
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please sit down investigators in the 1950 case of this and tell me where the [ __ ] you came to that theory that's a
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leap in a jog and a run around the corner that's a triathlon that's a that's a that's a marathon yeah that's
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something operating on that uh Trion jog around the block searches for Barbara were launched from the air on the beach
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and even in the ocean wow um but when they failed to find literally any evidence to support their belief
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investigators were forced to rethink that theory it's like also what if she was kidnapped y'all that's the thing and
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you're thinking she shot him in the head and then tried to walk into the ocean like wow like weird yeah but okay
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Sheriff Charles ra RAB told a reporter we have no idea what happened that you don't say you know I'd rather you say
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that though we have no idea and then he said there is no indication of a third party involved but we are investigating
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that and every other possibility there's no indication of anything that's the thing like you're you're making it seem
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like only the two of them have to be involved in this when you say something like that right just like choose your
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words better when you're explaining this say like we don't know what's going on this could be anything we will update
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you when we know it l it we don't think another person was it's like no there's no indication that anything happened
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here except for people died and someone's missing yeah keep it simple so those possibilities included Barbara
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having been killed at the scene and dumped elsewhere and that the couple could have been attacked by a patient
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who'd recently escap aped from the Napa state hospital and was seen in Eureka which is chilling now within a week of
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the murder the Sheriff's Office had called in detectives from the State Department of Justice to help them in
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the investigation and they had largely changed their Theory now the Sheriff's Office was quote working on the theory
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that the couple were followed to the beach be was slugged and shot to death by an intruder and Miss Kelly was
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kidnapped or perhaps killed I'm like that's what I would have gone with at first versus SU side packed yeah in the
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meantime the residents of fortuna started P pitching in to offer a reward for information leading to an arrest
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okay but leads and information were not a coming they were really scarce while State detectives began expanding the
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search efforts lab results and Analysis of Bar's body and the bullet evidence from the state lab finally came back
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okay initially the coroner's office had stated that be had been struck in the back of the head and shot with his
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likely his own 22 caliber weapon yeah but according to the states authorities the bullet was not a 22 but was quote of
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the explosive type and its caliber would could not be determined exactly what the
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exploding bullet so it's like there's certain bullets that when they enter they just shatter and will cause like
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immense damage is and that's possibly why that they saw more damage than that's what accounted for the severity
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of the entrance wound at the back of the head so probably didn't get hit in the head it was just the bullet oh man by
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the end of the month the case had gone cold and the Press was beginning to speculate that the murder of Henry and
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The Disappearance of Barbara quote may join the other unsolved killings which dot humble County's history after two
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weeks of intense investigation neither the local or state detectives had managed to find literally any evidence
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and they had not found any trace of Barbara or Henry's missing gun oh the only lead they had which officers
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discounted as a quote crackpot theory was a letter to the Sheriff's Office from an Oakland California address the
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writer claimed to be the Killer and said he' committed the murder out of jealousy
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H but investigators had failed to locate the writer and they just wrote it off as
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a prank um they just didn't find him so they were like B we can't find him so he
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must be a jokester yeah even blanch was like [ __ ] that yeah blanch is like yeah
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I was like you good girl in the winter of 1963 more than a decade after the murder of Henry barar in The
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Disappearance of Barbara Kelly Gail Patrick Irish an inmate at the Atascadero I almost couldn't say that
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State Hospital confessed to three murders including the deaths of Henry beard and Barbara Kelly okay now Irish
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who was serving a sentence for quote sex perversion huh claimed he was prowling around the beach when he came across
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them in their car he said he forced them to strip shot and killed beard and took
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Miss Kelly to a logging site about 20 M north of Eureka once there once they reached the remote area he
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claimed he sexually assaulted and murdered Barbara okay which sounds [ __ ] terrible yep to detectives from
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the State Department of Justice he had just enough details of the case to satisfy their belief that he was at
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least possibly responsible yeah you can see why also he claimed to have committed a similar crime around in Yuba
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County in 1957 in that instance against a 13-year-old girl oh as evidence of his
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sincerity Irish offered to lead investigators to the bodies so they received approval to take him from the
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hospital to the sites in Northern California where he said he had left his then 13-year-old victim now
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unfortunately once they arrived at the supposed burial site Irish failed twice to lead them to the body and indicated
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he might not be able to remember oh that's good humbal County Sheriff Edward Hurlbert told the Press though we have a
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very definite feeling Irish is the murderer and is sin in helping us locate the body what makes you feel that way I
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don't know I feel like it would have been when he said he wasn't going to lead you to the body that would have
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probably changed my view on that but you know me I'm not a sheriff so call me crazy who am I to say that's the thing a
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few days later investigators arrived at table Bluff with Irish who claimed he would trace the route from the beach to
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the logging site like guys I think he just doesn't want to be in his cell today exactly he wants some attention
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yeah this is where he claimed to have left Barbara Kelly's Body but after nearly a week of searching Irish had
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still yet to identify the site where he' left Kelly's Body let's bring him back to where he is supposed to be although
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Irish had directed investigators to a logging Camp approximately 20 miles from the beach when they arrived there they
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found that it was totally wildly overgrown which he insisted made it difficult for him to recall accurately
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oh okay sorry about that now facing criticism over the increasing likelihood that they had fallen for a dumb lie the
00:29:28
Sheriff's Office recommended that Irish be subjected to a polygraph examination to prove he was telling the truth also
00:29:35
to prove that they were not falling for something yeah but when he returned to the hospital after failing to find
00:29:40
either body doctors at Atascadero explained to investigators that he was quote too unstable to be a fit subject
00:29:47
for a lie detector test to be valid awesome yeah love to hear it for months the Sheriff's Office remained absolutely
00:29:54
committed to believing irish's story and even insisted they were going to searched the entire area for Barbara
00:30:00
Kelly's remains when the weather improved over time though it became very clear that there was nobody at the
00:30:06
logging site and the case went cold again it's really sad that they had so much hope and I'm sure that gave her
00:30:11
family hope as well course and they wasted all this resources these resources all this time yeah although it
00:30:16
would not be widely known for several decades Gale Patrick Irish wasn't the only suspect in the bared Kelly case in
00:30:23
fact many investigators believe that guy Mal DAV made a far more ly suspect I was
00:30:29
waiting at the time of the murder Bal DAV and his wife were living in Fortuna California the same small town where the
00:30:36
victims lived imagine that more importantly however Mal davan's in-laws owned the sweet shopop the restaurant
00:30:45
where Barbara Kelly worked as a waitress and a restaurant on Beard's Henry Beard's regular delivery route stop guy
00:30:54
mdav huh happened to work there as a short order cook some to make additional money since they hadn't announced their
00:31:01
plans that evening to anyone Barbara and Henry investigators had initially thought assumed basically that they had
00:31:08
been attacked by a stranger yeah but it was equally possible that either Henry or Barbara mentioned their plan to go to
00:31:14
table Bluff to malaven or one of the other co-workers shortly before leaving the diner that afternoon whatever the
00:31:21
case investigators strongly suspected maldan of being involved in the murder and in Barbara's disappearance but
00:31:28
without Kelly's Body or any other evidence to tie him to the crime they had no cause to arrest him and did they
00:31:35
ever find her no oh I know it kills me that's devastating now not long after the
00:31:42
discovery of Henry be's body guy and Jo Ellen strangely relocated to Seattle Washington I wonder why Weir he left
00:31:49
that's like crazy that they decided to move out of like nowhere now where guy this and when they went to Seattle
00:31:55
Washington he found work as a DJ again and that was before he opened a shop which I hate to say this is a this is a
00:32:03
pretty good idea it's a nocturnal antique shop no that actually is like a really good idea [ __ ] you for having a
00:32:09
good idea maybe he stole it from a better person he probably did he didn't come up with that himself no and this
00:32:14
operated from 6:00 p.m. to midnight I love that kind of a cool idea I love that a lot yeah but guy and Jo Ellen's
00:32:20
marriage lasted a few more years they had a daughter together until one day in early 1956 in front of customer in the
00:32:28
store guy announced he no longer wanted to be married to joelan and told her to pack her things and leave sounds abrupt
00:32:35
in fact one witness told police it was the cruestv Joellen good for her filed for
00:32:43
divorce and was awarded sole custody of their daughter and left the [ __ ] out of
00:32:47
Seattle thank goodness I don't think she would have made it out alive otherwise although she didn't know it at the time
00:32:52
guy's demand for a divorce had not exactly come out of nowhere in fact it was something something he'd been
00:32:58
planning for some time at least since starting up an affair with his soon to be second wife Manzanita manzy Ms oh guy
00:33:07
had met Ms several months earlier when she came into the antique store with her husband William while the couple was
00:33:13
visiting from Vancouver H manzy and guy hit it off immediately and their Affair soon started by 1958 they both had
00:33:21
divorced their respective spouses and got married manzy and her teenage daughter Dolores moved into the
00:33:27
apartment guy occupied above the antique store theore theore whatever charms man
00:33:34
had seen in guy before the marriage soon wore off after they got married this is
00:33:38
what he does that's always so scary too like you think you know somebody and then you marry them and like like those
00:33:44
those stories and cases are so sad yeah they are well guy cultivated a certain Persona at the antique store you know he
00:33:51
would chat up the wealthy women in order to sell them expensive antiques manzy worked really hard at a local bank and
00:33:58
would come home and continue having to do more work at the store according to author Anne rule ever heard of her I
00:34:05
know her for guy it was a social time but his wife and stepdaughter would have preferred to have family dinner in some
00:34:11
quiet evenings yeah probably at some point manay began noticing that certain women were coming by the store far more
00:34:17
often than they needed to but they always left without purchasing anything whenever she would Express uh
00:34:24
displeasure with the fact that this was happening uh and you know show some jealousy to him he would insist that he
00:34:31
had no interest in any other woman and any flirting he did was strictly for the purposes of making a sale but manay
00:34:37
didn't really believe him also like you can make a sale without flirting well and after all it wasn't too long ago
00:34:42
that she'd left her husband and two youngest children behind to move in with the man she knew as Raul so she knew how
00:34:49
convincing and Charming he could be and she was like [ __ ] he's probably doing it
00:34:53
to other people oh now whatever stories and exaggerations guy told his wife to alleviate her concerns they were nothing
00:35:00
compared to the outright lies he was telling women who came in the antique store he said he was born in San Trope
00:35:06
in the French Riviera he told he told them that he had been raised in a family of well-known and widely respected
00:35:12
French antique dealers he had come to the United States as a teenager when was so brilliant that he was immediately
00:35:19
accepted at the University of California and then he joined the army and did a six-year Tour of Duty engaged in some of
00:35:25
world war II's most notorious battles none of that was true yes say that's weird I didn't hear you mention that in
00:35:31
the beginning not a one of it not one thing of that was true it's unclear how much of this as customers actually even
00:35:37
believe to be honest especially considering the timeline did not match up at all uhhuh uh but it kept them
00:35:43
coming back and more importantly to him they were paying attention to him and buying his [ __ ] so it didn't seem to
00:35:49
matter by March 1960 it was becoming clear that manzy and guy's marriage was falling apart yeah according to an rule
00:35:56
neighbors could not help but notice a lovely middle-aged blonde who arrived at the antique shop close to midnight
00:36:02
several evenings a week and that's closing time yeah and that was also while manay sat in their apartment
00:36:08
upstairs completely unaware of what was well probably aware of what was happening yeah that's very not to
00:36:13
believe it a month later manzy and Dolores suddenly disappeared both of them yep causing neighbors to speculate
00:36:21
that she'd grown tired of guys cheating and finally decided to leave him yeah those who knew her however man's
00:36:28
disappearance came as a big surprise she'd always been very reliable very very good worker so the manager at the
00:36:34
bank was very stunned that she would suddenly quit like not show up and just quit without notice also Dolores had
00:36:41
seemed very committed to her studies at University so the faculty there was very
00:36:46
surprised that she had just stopped attending classes without saying anything yeah and the couple next door
00:36:52
with whom manzy had become pretty close they were sure that she would have talked to them before she left like
00:36:57
would have said something yeah in fact they were hurt that she didn't say goodbye but then that soon turned to
00:37:03
Serious concern now whenever anyone asked about manay and Dolores guy would tell them that she had gone to Vancouver
00:37:09
to visit relatives when the two of them still hadn't returned though after weeks
00:37:13
guy was forced to explain that his wife had in fact left him and taken her daughter he fed embarrassment and
00:37:20
appeared pretty sheepish whenever it would come up he would say to people she doesn't love me anymore and manzy closed
00:37:25
out our joint bank account she took every penny I've saved for the shop and to buy more antiques she even burned all
00:37:31
my business records before she left wow just sing her name that's nice to those around him he did seem upset about the
00:37:38
whole thing he drank heavily he appeared depressed he would often let days pass without even opening the antique shop oh
00:37:45
wow and after a few months he finally managed to pull himself together though and file for divorce from manzy citing
00:37:50
cruelty and desertion as the reason for filing okay then to everyone's surprised
00:37:55
though in July just a few months after his wife had disappeared in just 72 hours after getting their divorce guy
00:38:03
remarried 72 hours yes girl yeah wow this time to Evelyn Emerson the daughter of two of his wealthiest customers
00:38:13
lifford and Germaine Winkler okay to those who had been close with guy and manzy the speed of at which he moved on
00:38:21
and remarried came as a shock yeah but by then the only opinions guys seemed to give a [ __ ] about were his very wealthy
00:38:27
in-law's opinions he didn't give a [ __ ] what anyone else was saying Evelyn seemed equally taken with guy and told
00:38:33
friends she was eager to start traveling around the world with him purchasing antiques all of which she believed was
00:38:39
going to be funded by a full bright Scout scholarship in fact Evelyn was so enthusiastic and so believing him that
00:38:46
she agreed to sell the antique store that she had operated for a number of years oh no and placed her remaining
00:38:52
inventory with an auction house and planned to give the proceeds to guy oh that's how much this guy was able to
00:38:59
convince people yeah now just days after the wedding guy approached Clifford and
00:39:04
Germaine his in-laws with a business proposition oh goody he had been offered the opportunity to buy a large amount of
00:39:11
first nation's art and artifacts from a dealer in Canada for the price of $88,000 okay but because manzy had taken
00:39:18
all the money he didn't have the funds to make the purchase so he claimed that he'd put down $500 as a deposit on the
00:39:26
items and he had received assurances from two collectors in Seattle who were willing to pay nearly twice the price he
00:39:33
just needed the money to close the sale okay the winklers had known guy for some
00:39:37
time now and as far as they knew they thought he was a smart businessman a Savvy investor so they happily lent him
00:39:43
the money and they even gave him an additional $2,000 to make sure he was fully covered oh such nice people a few
00:39:49
days later on August 3rd guy announced that he would be making the trip to Canada but he was going to do it alone
00:39:55
and he told Evelyn he thought that trip might be dangerous and he didn't want to
00:39:59
put her at any risk okay a week passed and Evelyn still hadn't heard from her new husband fearing something might have
00:40:06
happened to him she called the only one of guys friends she knew which was his lawyer Jeffrey Heyman Jeffrey tried to
00:40:13
reassure her that guy was probably fine but then he learned that guy had been carrying a large sum of money like that
00:40:18
and he was like uhoh actually that is a little concerning that concern only grew
00:40:23
a few days later when Jeffrey was unable to confirm that guy had even gotone onto
00:40:27
flights leaving from Seattle on August 3rd having run out of ideas they called the police and reported him missing the
00:40:34
case was assigned to Sergeant herb swindler what a name herb swindler herb swindler of Seattle's crimes against
00:40:41
persons unit who immediately began investigating The Disappearance swindler confirmed that Evelyn and Heyman had
00:40:47
already learned from from the airlines that he had not gone in any planes but then they called the Pacific National
00:40:54
Bank where guy had an account the bank manager told the detective that guy had been into the bank on August 3rd oh and
00:41:01
he' cashed a $10,000 check from Germaine Winkler as well as withdrawn $3,000 from
00:41:07
his own account that's so crazy but when swindler asked whether the money had been converted to Canadian currency he
00:41:13
said uh-uh it was not it was still in US dollars he said nor nope that was when it occurred to swindler that guy hadn't
00:41:20
gone missing he'd stolen their money and fled the state he was on the yam yeah he
00:41:24
was on the yam swindler became even more suspicious a few days later when Jeffrey
00:41:29
Heyman received a phone call from a woman who said H actually I have flown on a plane to San Francisco with guy on
00:41:36
August 4th and he was supposed to be in Canada on August 4th according to the caller she was positive it was him
00:41:42
because she quote has known him for a long time so swindler flew to San Francisco to interview this woman and
00:41:48
learned that she and guy had been carrying on an affair for about five years five years when the woman found
00:41:55
out guy had married Evelyn she was pissed obviously which is why she chose to call Jeffrey Heyman in the first
00:42:01
place yeah Queen the further the investigation went the more women emerg to report their ongoing relationships
00:42:08
with mdav he's literally like blue women he is like Blue Beard it's actually crazy yeah and we didn't even plan that
00:42:15
no most of them felt they'd been taken advantage of by a con man he's literally because they had yeah he's literally
00:42:21
he's uh what's his name Watson Watson there the discovery of guys Li has prompted Jeffrey Heyman guys lies sorry
00:42:30
guys lies it's like that scene in Never Been Kissed yikes bikes you are a guy quite a
00:42:38
guy it's true guys lies the discovery of guys lies prompted Jeffrey Heyman and swindler to wonder whether what he'd
00:42:46
said about manzy and Dolores leaving was actually true immediately they were like
00:42:52
wait a second this guy's a [ __ ] liar yeah survey says no having checked the bank both men now knew manzy hadn't
00:42:59
taken any money from their bank account like he claimed to everyone and it was just the beginning because everyone had
00:43:04
felt strange that no one had heard from either of these women since he said they
00:43:09
disappeared like no one in their life they just disappeared like they have uh younger siblings and young children and
00:43:16
exactly according to the neighbors the last time anyone had seen manzy and Dolores was on March 31st and both of
00:43:23
them had acted completely normal in fact according to their neighbor Karen y ER Dolores seemed excited about starting
00:43:29
her new classes oh so it just didn't make sense that breaks your heart there was one other thing that Karen yorck
00:43:36
wanted to tell the detectives though she realized it might seem strange but she said not long after manzy and Dolores
00:43:42
disappeared Yar noticed one of the windows in Mal dav's basement was open which she'd never noticed before about a
00:43:49
month later Yar and her husband noticed a quote foul odor coming from the house the odor was bad enough that they asked
00:43:57
asked about guy about it and he told them quote it was only some crab that had spoiled and he threw it into the
00:44:02
garbage can uhhuh no in your basement babes everybody it's never crab that is spoiled no just call someone you'll know
00:44:10
the difference yeah don't worry and even if you don't call someone just call you
00:44:14
might as well just check things became even more ominous when detective searched Mal daven's house and found
00:44:20
that this is so chilling they found that all of manzy and dolores's clothes and belongings were still there oh from
00:44:30
their hairspray and makeup to dolores's school books man's purse oh and things are just like almost preserved like that
00:44:39
it's it really chilling is the per the way it was untouched ALS yeah also investigators were beginning to notice
00:44:46
small inconsistencies in the stories that guars was telling neighbors and friends the main part of the story that
00:44:52
manay had left and stolen their money was always the same but the less important parts how much she'd stolen
00:44:59
what town she'd gone to so on and so forth they seemed to change depending on who he was talking to oh for the
00:45:05
detectives on the case a very clear picture was emerging of a man who had been carrying on tons of Affairs lying
00:45:12
to everyone for years and then he decided to cut all ties and start a new life somewhere else yep but the question
00:45:18
was where the [ __ ] is his ex-wife and his stepdaughter right now in late August swindler received a call from the
00:45:24
Sheriff's Office and Wii was uh a small town about 150 M from Seattle deputies there had discovered and this
00:45:32
is horrific deputies there had discovered a pair of woman's legs floating in the Columbia River a few
00:45:39
months earlier at the same time they also received information from a local rental
00:45:44
car agency letting them know that guy had rented a panel van on April 6th just a few days after mansey and Dolores went
00:45:53
missing oh no the mileage on the odometer showed that guy had driven 316 Mi which was about the distance from
00:46:02
Seattle to this place in Washington yeah lab analysis confirmed that the legs matched man's height and weight and the
00:46:09
blood type was also a match again can we just say the detective work for the time
00:46:13
period goes crazy good it goes crazy but what kills me is in like this is not going to end the way you want it to and
00:46:21
when you look at this you say you have all this you have an odometer that says it you have him renting the car
00:46:27
all of this I'm like how what do you mean you didn't have enough to get him oh yeah and there's more based on all
00:46:33
the evidence they compiled investigators did get a warrant to search the entire entire mald house from top to bottom in
00:46:39
the kitchen technicians discovered small blood stains on the walls and the stairs
00:46:44
leading to the attic were also known to seen to have droplets of blood leading up the stairs on the wall leading up the
00:46:51
stairs to the attic there was a faint smear that they suspected was blood leading from the kitchen all the way up
00:46:57
the stairs to the attic and when they reached the attic investigators discovered what was [ __ ] clearly a
00:47:03
crime scene there were droplets smears even what looked to be dried pools of blood all over the
00:47:12
room and they didn't have enough to arrest him looked and it looked like someone didn't even bother to really
00:47:17
clean it up instead he had just put [ __ ] [ __ ] over the stains like rolled up rugs paint other household items just
00:47:25
over the stain wild cuz continued to live there for a period of time yep detectives also found hair evidence and
00:47:32
what would later be [ __ ] identified as human tissue as well as a broken human tooth that would be identified as
00:47:40
having come from someone roughly 21 years of age oh dude how did they not feel like they had enough they never
00:47:48
even tried well okay so the evidence in the Attic strongly suggested that gual DAV
00:47:55
had murdered his wife and stepdaughter Earth then dismembered their bodies if not just Flatout screamed dad
00:48:00
investigators he did it and swindler also recalled what the Yaro had said about the odor coming from the house and
00:48:06
seeing guy working on the septic tank shortly after Manz and Dolores disappeared so the detectives were like
00:48:13
oh [ __ ] so they obtained the necessary tools to access the septic tank who and
00:48:19
when they opened the lid and started pumping out the contents they discovered what appeared to be human remains in the
00:48:26
septic yes the remains would be removed to the medical examiner's office with Dr
00:48:31
Gail Wilson would confirm that they were human remains among the remains in the tank and are this is horrifying I want
00:48:39
everybody to realize that in the tank there was a uterus oh my god with a small portion of the vaginal Vault
00:48:47
attached the upper portion of the right ear of a human which had been hacked off
00:48:52
like brutally hacked off five pieces of colon one section of lung one partial kidney an aler bone a radial epip
00:49:02
epiphysis and four fangel bones fangel sorry I said that weird that's okay I think all of us I was
00:49:10
going to say I think there was more to that than my mispronunciation but oh my God yeah so he dismembered to the point
00:49:18
where he like took organs out or had they possibly just decayed through the skin it was just orans left
00:49:26
there is a real possibility that he flushed actual organs oh my God yeah and they never got
00:49:36
him for this nope how in 1960 DNA testing was still decades away so they were not able to tell whether
00:49:47
those remains or the remains in the Columbia River were those of mansey and dores no no for sure but like they were
00:49:54
residents of that home and isn't there something called um probable cause and um circumstantial evidence these remains
00:50:01
were human yeah they knew that and it strongly suggested that some criminal and violent thing had happened in the
00:50:08
house so with that the case did turn from you know missing persons in Larsen cases to a double homicide with their
00:50:16
Prime Suspect On The Run they were going after him now they were like okay okay now while swindler continued his pursuit
00:50:22
of guy Mal Daven additional investigators were added to the case to try to locate the rest of man and
00:50:27
dolores's bodies yeah in the meantime police had located guy's brother Michael in he was in San Diego and he tried to
00:50:35
fill in some blanks for them in this story like the fact that his name was not Raul he said guy and I live together
00:50:42
for a good part of our youth but I can't say we were ever close H I wonder why yeah he told the reporter guy cut
00:50:48
himself off from his family he told me very little about himself and I never Pride which like good for you Michael
00:50:54
unfortunately while Michael could provide investigators with some background on his brother he hasn't seen
00:50:58
him in years and he's like I have no idea where he could have gone after leaving Seattle he could be going by any
00:51:04
name at that point in late September the winklers remember his wife Evelyn's parents his in-laws who he stole the
00:51:10
money from yep they got a letter that had been dated back in March and this letter was saying that it was from
00:51:16
someone named Major John Riley I feel like it's probably guy probably the winklers knew no one by that name and
00:51:24
its purpose it seemed was to assure them that DAV was a great man I don't think so in fact the writer spent most of its
00:51:30
two pages just enthusiastically gushing about the achievements of gal DAV it's screaming narcissism it's SC it is
00:51:38
yelling from the rooftops it's a howler actually it is a howler that's exactly it Ronald Wy that's literally what this
00:51:46
was doing a handwriting expert analyzed the letter and concluded that the handwriting of Major John Riley was an
00:51:51
exact match of guy mdav no way but unfortunately the postmark had been smeared but there was no way to tell
00:51:58
where it was mailed from y by the end of the fall swindler and other investigators were beginning to feel as
00:52:03
though Mal DAV had actually gotten beyond their reach at this point it does be feeling that way and just a few days
00:52:09
after Thanksgiving they received a call from detectives in New York City I bet that made them thankful to inform them
00:52:14
that guy right to inform them that guy had been arrested on the leny charge shut up swindler immediately booked a
00:52:21
flight to New York and a few hours later he was sitting across from the [ __ ] man that they had been Pur suing for
00:52:27
months stop it he later said I met him in unfamiliar territory the New York cops were anxious to talk to him but
00:52:33
they gave me the interview room in some time alone with him he came so close to telling me what I needed to hear but
00:52:39
what happened at the time the FBI were holding guy on a charge of unlawful flight to avoid giving testimony and the
00:52:46
charge of Gran leny for the theft of the Winkler's $88,000 Yes actually I think it ends up being it's a lot more than
00:52:53
yeah yeah um but if swindler and the other detectives thought DAV would simply confess to the murders of manzy
00:52:58
and Dolores they were very mistaken in fact rather than appearing guilty or ashamed he seemed to kind of love the
00:53:04
attention he was getting and he welcomed the opportunity to demonstrate what he believed to be his Superior intelligence
00:53:11
oh goody because he liked getting right up to the point of telling them and then
00:53:14
he would pull it back douchebag he said he told swindler I'm morally guilty of Manzanita and dolores's death okay but
00:53:22
he said I was the only living person person living with them and the only person who might have had an opportunity
00:53:27
to commit these crimes but he would just stop right before there so he would say
00:53:32
like yeah I was the only one who probably could have done it and they'd be like did you do
00:53:35
it I hate him he's a [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah he is guy was held on $50,000 bail as preparations were made to extradite
00:53:44
him back to Washington he didn't protest it also the Press couldn't resist a sensational story at the time uh they
00:53:52
were calling him the Hipster Bunko artist and great lover who was arrested after the grizzly discovery of human
00:53:58
remains in his septic tank do better do so much better in newspapers around the country the Press delighted in
00:54:04
describing guy's many Affairs and his ability to charm anyone he met the New York daily news described his antique
00:54:10
shop as a as a gather spot for beak Nicks art lovers celebrities and celebrity Hunters all bound by Mal
00:54:17
davan's magnetism and offbeat philosophy shut up [ __ ] off all of the above he's a
00:54:23
piece of [ __ ] the games and theatrics continued when Sky had gone to Seattle a
00:54:28
few days after his arrest he started a hunger strike publicly declaring that he had willed himself to die and I said
00:54:34
you're not alone a few days later on December 6th he was interviewed Again by swindler this time telling him and this
00:54:41
is awful he said I'll tell you all about the murders as soon as I talk to a Jesuit priest so he was allowed to speak
00:54:48
to a priest and after he did he refused to speak with s swindler or any of the other detectives and would only say they
00:54:54
are dead and I'm alive and that's what what's important oh yeah okay yeah like literally [ __ ] this guy I hope he is
00:55:03
important rotting so hard in hell where he is I think oh something's awaiting him in his next life me tell something
00:55:11
he already met it he's meeting it as we speak he's been he been meeting it he's been there for a while now I hope you're
00:55:17
tired hope it sucks in early 1961 the prosecutor in King County Washington had charged Mal Daven with gr Larsen and he
00:55:25
was bound over for tri okay at the same time the federal authorities were eager to get him for
00:55:30
the murders of manzy and Dolores so they admitted and I don't understand this the
00:55:35
case against him was weak in their eyes I no there's blood like everywhere and there was a kidney a [ __ ] uterus and
00:55:42
somebody's ear in his septic system I wouldn't call that weak I feel like it's like this was the time when it was like
00:55:49
without a body you don't have a case but you got and you have body that's the thing but you can't identify that that's
00:55:56
the problem is you can't they haven't said that this is you know we know everybody knows but it's like it depends
00:56:04
on if somebody's willing if the da is willing to take it and a lot of times they will take that gamble cuz we've
00:56:09
covered cases even earlier than this where they go to trial without a body so it really does come down to the DA but I
00:56:15
don't know if it was like that was the attitude here was like can't definitively say so it's weak in our
00:56:22
eyes which I'm like I don't that's not a weak Cas you also have that like the rental car in the area where the body
00:56:27
was found in the river you have the odometer basically having the same amount of miles to go from Seattle to
00:56:34
where the body was found like the body parts and also like he has shitty character clearly like come on this
00:56:40
could this could work you're going to get him on a larsy charge you could definitely get him on everything else so
00:56:45
after multiple pre-trial hearings and motions for dismissal the leny trial got underway in October the defense opened
00:56:51
by interviewing Evelyn his wife who explained that the money that he had stolen he had not stolen that was a loan
00:57:01
he didn't steal anything well yeah it was aone but he didn't go to where he said he was going when he took it so he
00:57:09
stole the money babes and he Bamboozled you guys like that wasn't him just not you know like that doesn't this was
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honestly the foundation of the defenses argument though guy may have been unfaithful and a shitty person but the
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money had been given to him in good faith and he had not stolen anything nearly failed to return with the items
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he intended to purchase you have to wonder if she was scared cuz I wonder that if Dolores and manay you know faced
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the Fate that they did at his hands I'm sure there was lead up to that I'm sure he was a terrifying man so I give her a
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pass now during the trial guy testified in his own defense telling the jury that
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that checks so hard yeah he said that he was bullied as a child and that led to a
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life of resentment which in turn led him to become a deceitful person okay I would like to point out
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that many people have been bullied and do not turn into deceitful pieces of [ __ ] yeah in fact according to guy all
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the behavior that made him appear suspicious the constant lies his secrecy all that [ __ ] you know the crime scene
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in his house it could all be attributed to his sensitivities around being bullied huh he was just sad you
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know yeah I'm like what you're what I'm not seeing the the linear pathway there the reason I have multiple Affairs and
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treat my wives like [ __ ] and steal money from people and lie and have body parts
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in my septic tank is because I was bullied and it's a sensitive subject and it's like please connect those [ __ ]
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dots for me connect one of those dots make a DOT there's no dots I don't even see a DOT like what are you doing like
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who let him say that he claimed he had gone to Canada and went head with the purchase to which we say babe we have
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proof you didn't right what do you what you never flew there and he said but the
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deal fell through and he was he was cheated out of the money just like remember manay stole all the money from
00:59:07
him we prove that didn't happen too but that's no matter un he was cheated again
00:59:12
that's crazy he gets cheated a lot yeah he said and he said after that he couldn't face his new bride and her
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stepmother so he left left August 4th 1960 I want to be clear with you what he just said he couldn't face his wife and
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his and his stepmother his new stepmother how about or stepmother-in-law yeah we're not going
00:59:30
to talk about the father-in-law we're only going to we're only going to make the villainize the women here which
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seems to be a [ __ ] path in his life sure does now despite the best efforts of the defense the jury found Guy guilty
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of gr Larsen luckily yeah I feel like they would have [ __ ] found him guilty on a murder charge but this is awful
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because when it came to sentencing he was given a 15-year suspended sentence and allowed to leave court a free man
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wait why yep they were they it was a suspended sentence the judge May suspend the sentence in part or in full in the
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defendant serves probation ah yeah so he was given the 15year suspended sentence so he could
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just like serve probation like it's it's totally up to the judge wow I mean I guess like having it I'm sure the jury
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didn't hear about like the no cuz you can't introduce that stuff right like the body parts and everything so they
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just heard this ly and it's I mean $10,000 is a lot of money but like but it's like you yeah but he was able to
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walk out a free man that day [ __ ] and due to lack of evidence in their eyes police were unable to charge mdav with
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the murders of manzy and Dolores and that remains unsolved to this day it actually doesn't it doesn't wow now
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after the trial Evelyn Evelyn and guy actually stayed married for a few years before ultimately getting a divorce
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that's good in February 1974 that's when guy and Ruth Terry were married married
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then they left for their honeymoon on Cape Cod that was on their honeymoon yeah by the way which is just like try
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to conceive of that everybody who's married or like at least has been at some point think about your honey yeah
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like what yeah now what happened after guy left Massachusetts after he murdered Ruth Terry is somewhat of a mystery it
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looks like he eventually returned to California he lived basically there the rest of his life with few people close
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to him actually knowing who he was right like they didn't know his scandalous history any of the things that he was
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accused of he really surrounded by himself by people he could fool yeah um in the 1980s he took a position on a
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local radio station hosting a show called talk to me which covered topics ranging from Cuts in Social Security
01:01:49
Alzheimer's disease homosexuality this is a quote by the way the erosion of culture and his belief that in has
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become a habit oh wow yeah wow I would I want to go back and I want to hear some
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of those because I want to see what he was saying I do too yeah on March 14th 2002 guy mdav died after a long illness
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at his home I hate that he was able to be comfortable I do too he was never charged with any of the murders he was
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suspected of having committed and he appears to have been remembered by friends and family as great and terrific
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no you know what though he died in March and uh Dolores and mansey were last scene in March so that's Karma at work
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in my opinion he sounds like a whatever he was guilty of he sounds like a complete
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[ __ ] also I in my opinion at least there's no way he just stopped with Dolores and mansy and Terry no no way
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and there's no way you he the crime scene literally in his home the body parts in his septic tank like
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come on get it together everybody that is just wow it's horrifying I've never heard of somebody having that found in
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their septic tank and just being like yeah anyways they got to live the rest of their life and untouched oh it makes
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me so angry it does make me it makes me so angry that all of that but it does make me so happy that at least now his
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name is tarnished yeah exactly it's like you did get what was coming to you at the end there's that at least but it's
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so sad that technically Dolores and manay never got the justice that they deserved and that they never found
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Barbara Kelly's Body no we still don't know where she like H it's just awful scary wow GH yeah well we hope you keep
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listening and we hope you keep it weird but it's so weird that any of this don't
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