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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is [Music] morbid it sure is I just read something
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on Instagram it says this Lavita is getting a little too Loca if you ask me and that's how I feel today that's how I
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feel today I feel like this levita is hella [ __ ] Loca this is it is hella [ __ ] Loca Bella where you been Loca
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there you go I love it one of the best lines in cinematic history as far as I'm spot the LIE spot the [ __ ] lie
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spot it Taylor lner came out I don't know if it was recently I saw it recently and said how much he [ __ ]
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hated that wig that they made him wear that wig was nuts iconic ion Bonkers I mean the Twilight Twilight
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is such I like hello welcome to morbid Twilight is such a Vibe this is the skin of a killer Bella this is the skin of a
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that's sparkly that line is one of the best lines in cinematic history it's one of those things where it's like we can
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people can hate on it as much as they want have cuz you have to but damn what a moment that [ __ ] is and what a vibe
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that [ __ ] like I'll watch that again the vibe is just for the vibe and the weather's about to be like
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that too that came out at such an important crucial time in my life I was in Middle School when those books came
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out wow so oh you bet your bottom [ __ ] dollar I was trying to do the Bella aesthetic oh yeah like I was
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like oh new personality unlocked that's me I'm so different I'm so different I'm
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go live with my dad and Works see it was my like looking at it I was like oh this
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is everything I ever wanted as I was growing up was to meet a vampire yeah it to fall in love with like that's
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literally all I wanted I I never pale I never he is and he's from Norway Empire definitely vampires there I bet Drew's
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polish I don't know if that's giving vampire polish vampires you never know I don't know it's giving perogi so that's
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good giving parois giving perogies and I do love those so I think yeah I found I
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found a somewhat a vampire s command and I found perogi so let's [ __ ] go girls
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I was just thinking about um that we so we found that The Hollywood Reporter did
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like a podcasting thing yeah it was cool and we were part of it and it was really
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fun thank you for featuring usw sick and in it we were all these other amazing podcasters that I was like I'm sorry
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what are we doing in there but like I know right but like Bill Simmons is one of those podcasters he's like been
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around for literally ever he's hilarious and John loves him like has loved him forever and one of the things he said
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was a podcasting no no one of his things was um like [ __ ] banter oh no do you think he hates us and I was like I get
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it cuz he does like serious interviews and like sports [ __ ] so like I understand yeah but I was like this is
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all I could think of as we started this was like Bill I'm sorry but sometime I I
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know some of you do not come from the [ __ ] Banner that's not banter that's not for you totally get it but I think a
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vast majority of our audience actually loves [ __ ] you know you're here with us cuz they're us we try to we try to be
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a little more mindful of how how much sprinkle it in at this point cuz you know like we've grown we've evolved and
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also that was like not a knock at Bill Simmons cuz I love Bill Simmons I just thought it was hilarious no that is
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funny and I loved how honest he was in his answer it was hilarious you guys actually should go read that article cuz
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his answers were [ __ ] hilarious his are really funny theovon are really funny Georgia and Karen were in in there
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they're really everyone had real everyone had differing opinions on 1.5 speed listening to podcasts which was
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funny I think we forgot to answer that question I think we did too I think I also was just like uh no never yeah and
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I felt weird saying no never I just get very stressed out with it it's too fast for me I I get over stimulated very
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easily and that was it I talk fast enough for my own self putting me on 1.5 can you [ __ ] imagine no people
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probably do do that woo can you even hear did that create a Time Warp did what's new in your personal World um so
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really quick just before we get into this which is a it's going to be a two-parter cuz it's a very long but very
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interesting case very interesting um I just wanted to mention that I'm going on like a mini book tour with me with Ash I
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get to go I'm going on a mini book tour and uh there's a few dates I think there's really only two that are not
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sold out which like is really wild um there's one on September 18th at 600 p.m. in New York at the Union Square
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Barnes & Noble you can get if you go on the Barnes & Noble site and type in events and like go to that date in that
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location you can get tickets I think there's a bunch of tickets left I'm not positive but that's the last update I
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got I just have to say it's really [ __ ] cool I had a real moment last night where I was like [ __ ] that's my
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sister B because Sarah Jessica Parker was just at that Noble and I saw that and I said and my sister got invited to
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PR cool so I just wanted to say that thank you for that you beta and I I I did an event for Butcher and the ren
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there and they were amazing and I loved doing that event and everybody who went was amazing it was just like a really
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fun experience yeah it was cool so um go check and see if there's tickets left for that one and then I think there's
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like only a few tickets left in great barington Massachusetts in the book in the birar at the book um at the book
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Loft uh which is a really cool book store it's cool um and yeah so that's going to be fun and you know I'll keep
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updating you on any future book events um oh and there is a sweep Stakes that we're doing that is a really fun
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one this is cool um we're so we're doing a sweep Stakes where you can enter and you can you enter by just uploading your
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pre-order receipt for uh the butcher game and you can uh it's right in my uh Instagram bio or in you know uh you can
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go to the butcher game.com upload your pre-order receipt for the butcher game and you can be
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entered to win like an O A stay at the Red Lion Inn in Stockbridge Massachusetts one of the coolest [ __ ]
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ins ever it's iconic and it's beautiful it's like so historic my bravo fans that's where darinda used to work there
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yes exactly and it's so much fun and then a grand prize winner is going to get so the grand prize winner is going
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to get the two nights stay at the Red Lion in and that's um September 27th and 28th and they're going to get like all
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this other fun stuff to it and this person is going to get tickets to a murder mystery dinner on September 28th
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and that's going to be with me with Ash being there I can't [ __ ] wait Mikey's going to be there I literally can't wait
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and it's GNA and it's going to be a murder mystery dinner so it's going to be [ __ ] fun and we're all going to
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hang out and we're going to have a viby time yes so enter with your [ __ ] pre-order receipt at the butcher
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game.com pre-order the butcher game put your receipt in there it's going to be like that episode when they're in the
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berserk shears and they do the the murder mystery party at uh blue stone Manor yes I I've never been to a murder
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mystery dinner it's it's a blast John and I went last year to one and it was so much fun and it's so the grand prize
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winner gets the stay at the Red Lion in and a ticket to the dinner and 10 winners are going to get tickets to the
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murder mystery dinner oh my God you guys you guys have like enter to win and even
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if you don't win I'm going to be so sad for you but go to the [ __ ] Red Lion in it's the best and they have a really
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cute little shop there yeah they do a really C shop and it's just a cool in like you're really going to love it um I
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think they're going to be contacting the winners by September 6th so yeah this is
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close so make sure you get in there get in there get if you want to enter to win
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it'll be a fun time um and pre-order the butcher game if you haven't already yet
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go to the butcher game you can pre-order it anywhere it really helps it's really awesome I'll be really
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grateful and I promise you you're going to love it I really love it um I really love it I read it already yeah I'm very
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excited about I got an arc LOL I got an arc that made me feel cool but yeah it's
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coming out on September 17th so pre-order now and you might get it a day before you never know so amazing go do
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it um and now that we have annoyed you or made you happy or made you feel neutral about what we have just talked
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about uh let's get into the kidnapping of Barbara Jane Mackle oh now Barbara Jane Mackle is not a child uh just so
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you know what you're getting into here which doesn't make it better I'm just saying it's a different kind of
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kidnapping a little bit of a young adult napping so let's just get right into it
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because this is a windy twisty wild tale and it takes place in the 60s ooh I love the 60s so in the
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weeks leading up to Christmas break in 1967 emry University student Barbara Jane Mackle so she she's a young college
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student uh she was looking really forward to the Christmas break she was just psyched to be getting the last of
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her exams for the semester done and then she was going to head home to Miami to visit her family now unfortunately when
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her father Robert Mackle talked to his daughter on December 14th he was pretty disappointed because he found out that
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she had a cold that had evolved into the flu and she was sounding and feeling awful she felt like [ __ ] that's the
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worst yeah so Jane Mackle who is Barbara's mother later recalled Robert had talked to Barbara that Thursday and
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he was about ready to make her come home she couldn't get into the infirmary at Emory because it was full but Barbara
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wanted to stick it out and so she wanted to stick it out because if she was going
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to leave early she would have to reschedule one or more of her exams and she was just determined to finish them
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all before the Hol holiday break and not have to worry yeah you don't want that looming over your head your whole
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holiday break that would suck no cuz then sometimes you overstudy and then you kind of like lose it you know what I
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mean you go too far literally could never be me but I've heard that does happen yeah if you overstudy like you
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get obsessive about it no I'm kiding I so she couldn't even get into the infirmary at school though because it
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was flu season everybody's got the flu everyone's got a cold you're probably better off not going into the infirmary
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true So eventually Robert and Jane Mackle reached a compromise with Barbara uh and this compromise that was that
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sure you can stay to finish your exams cuz she was very determined but her mother Jane said I'm coming to Atlanta
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and I'm going to take care of you oh really sweet so the next morning Jane boarded the first available non-stop
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flight from Miami and was in Atlanta within a couple hours wow she checked into the roadway in with her daughter a
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little before noon and she said you're going to stay with me here and I'm going to take care of you and then you can go
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take your exams yeah and Jane said I took her temperature right away and she still had 101 degree fever oh damn but
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despite her really rough flu symptoms she was determined as ever to be studying through the weekend and doing
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well on those exams oh my God she must have been exhausted yeah now later that afternoon Barbara drove to the rich
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building at emy's School of Business and sat down to start you know going for it
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but the instructor was like you look like [ __ ] like you look so sick yeah and like could tell that she was feeling
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awful and he was like you got to go to the infirmary you can't sit in this class yeah you're going to like get
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everybody else sick and you're probably not going to do that great on your exams
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anyway you're it so she went to the infirmary she had to wait for over an hour only to be sent home and told to
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rest oh my God I'd be so pissed now Barbara woke the next day feeling a little bit better but she was determined
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to take her History exam and this time she said she was going to go in there and just act totally fine she wasn't
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going to say anything to her history instructor about her temperature how she was feeling she put a little concealer
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on the under eye she a little blush on the cheeks and went for it now meanwhile back at the motel the phone in Jane's
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room rang and she answered it and she heard an unfamiliar man's voice and this man said I have a registered letter for
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Barbara Mackle and earlier in the week Barbara had complained to her mother that she let a guy borrow her class
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notes and he never returned them oh [ __ ] that guy so Jane assumed that the boy
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had maybe mailed the B notes back like just to the motel yeah but apparently it didn't occur to her that like very few
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people knew that they were staying at the motel was going to ask that especially like casual acquaintances
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wouldn't have known right but regardless when Jane told Barbara someone had returned the notes she told her mother
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it was too late to get them that night and that the letter should just be brought to the dorm tomorrow okay so
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Jane told the caller that thank the man hung up nothing else happened the next day December 16th Barbara's best friend
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Stuart Woodward spent most of the afternoon with her at the motel helping her study for the one remaining exam she
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had and after leaving the motel for a bit Stuart went by barbar dorm room to see if the class notes were there cuz
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he's like a best friend he was going to go pick them up for her that's really sweet because she needed that those
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notes and when she he got there she he saw that yes the note the red notebook was sitting on her desk so he was like
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oh good but there was no sign that they had ever gone through the mail so he was
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like that's a little weird but Stuart returned to the roadway with the notes and spent the rest of the evening
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studying again with Barbara and didn't leave until like 10: p.m. and as he walked out the door he jokingly said
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well don't talk to any strange men and then Clos the door behind him oh I hate that because I think they had brought up
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like that this guy had called and he was like well don't talk to any more strange
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men on the phone yeah just joking now after a long day of studying Barbara was exhausted cuz she's still sick yeah
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still not feeling well by the time Stuart left so she just was like I'm going to sleep and Jane Mackle was also
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exhausted so she was like you know what let's go to sleep but Jane was awoken a few hours later cuz she heard Barbara
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her breathing was sounding very ingested like she was that sick breathing and so
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she asked Barbara are you awake and Barbara said yes I can't sleep my head is so stopped up oh and Jane got up and
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walked to the motel window to look out over the parking lot and it was just dark and then she looked down to her
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watch and saw it was only 3:00 a.m. so she was like way too early to get up for the day so she went back to bed and she
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said she could hear Barbara's like congested breathing but there was really nothing she could think to do MH so they
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did fall back to sleep Jane had just started to drift in and out of sleep when she was startled by a knock at the
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motel room door in the middle of the night so she calls out and is like who the [ __ ] is there but it was difficult
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to hear but there was a man on the other side and Jane said I thought he said a he was a detective maybe a policeman I'm
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not sure and the man at the door explained there's a young boy in a white Ford and he's been in an accident he's
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in the hospital and he's asking for you what and it was late and she had just been in and out of sleep so it didn't to
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her that the policemen didn't seem to know the accident victim's name just a young boy or just didn't relay it to her
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so she said I immediately thought of Stuart Woodward oh he had a white car so she was like so she said is his name
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Stewart through the door and the man said yes it is oh now Jane parted the curtain by the door a little and looked
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out and she said she saw a man and could see that he was white clean shaven and he was wearing a police officer's hat
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with a badge on it uh-huh so she was like all right well this seems legit so she started unhooking the chain that had
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been holding the door closed but as she lifted up the chain the man bashed his way with his shoulder into the room what
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the fu literally ripping the stripping away from the frame did it so hard knocked Jane to the
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floor and another figure appeared from behind him who was small and described a small and slender Jane said the second
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Intruder looked like they were maybe like a 12 over 13-year-old they were so small what and their face was covered by
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a black ski mask oh God I hate that yeah and they thought and Jane thought it was
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like a young boy essentially and the smaller Intruder started tying Jane's hands and ankles and so Jane looked over
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at the policeman who was still wearing the cap the policeman quot unot and she said he was chunky and he had a round
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face a moon face she later said and she said that's a read yeah and she said he spoke well and spoke softly he didn't
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look like a hoodlum or anything like that from the 6s of it all now at first Jane thought the two Intruders came in
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to Rob them and so she immediately started saying take anything you want in this room but please do not hurt my
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daughter or me yeah and seconds later she said as she's saying that she feels a damp rag being pressed over her face
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and she started getting blurred and like it was covering her eyes # chloroform so
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she said it was either chloroform or ether but I couldn't and she said I could hear him saying give her more give
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her more oh my God so assuming that they were going to keep pouring this substance whatever it was onto the rag
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and keep pressing it to her face until she passed out she just pretended to fall unconscious [ __ ] smart yeah she
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really is like that was some like Queen [ __ ] cuz they could have killed her yeah
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absolutely so she's she never lost Consciousness cuz she just faked it um but she said that the rag on her face
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did prevent her from seeing much of what was happening and she was like a little
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woo from it sure she had to close her eyes anyway to pretend she's passed out so she said I looked up and I saw just a
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flickering of Barbara's night gown going out the door between them and after that
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her daughter and The Intruders were just gone and the room was just deathly quiet
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and they just she tied up yep so terrified and unable to do anything she rolled over and started making her way
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towards the phone which was knocked on the floor she couldn't dial cuz her hands were behind her back oh I didn't
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even think started yelling into the receiver but she's like I didn't dial so it didn't even go to the overnight clerk
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I was like she was hoping it would just connect maybe somehow but it didn't so she struggled to get to her feet and
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hopped towards the little kitchenette with a pair of scissors on the counter and with her hair hands still being
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bound she got the scissors into her hands but then dropped them and couldn't hold on to them or get them to work in
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anyway so she hopped towards the door and made her way out into the parking lot and began screaming for help wow and
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she said I got absolutely no response I couldn't believe that no one heard I know they heard oh and if anyone did
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hear her cries for help no one moved to help her and none of the lights went on nothing it's so shitty because that's
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such a catch 22 like when you're in that position you're like why is nobody helping but then hearing that you're
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like I'm not going out there but you should call the police call the police come that your first thought should not
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be go out there because you know what you're going out by no means go out there call the front desks call someone
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call anybody literally like just call someone and say I did it I did what I needed to do but don't just ignore it
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like that's crazy silly so unsure what to do or where to go she still tied up here my God Jane spotted her car in the
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parking lot and started going towards it she fell twice cutting and bruising herself as she hit the ground with her
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hands tied behind her back she did manage to get into the front seat of her car and she placed her chin on the
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steering wheel and used her head to press the horn as hard as she could wow and just held it down genius it took
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about a full minute before anyone responded but soon a young woman in the room next to Jane and Barbara which must
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have heard something you didn't hear anything when he slammed he literally broke down the door he didn't call
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anyone yeah what the [ __ ] that's crazy and also this lady called the front desk
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and said another crackpot is on the loose nice like okay you heard all that real nice you think maybe something's ay
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yeah probably the night clerk Walter Perkins who shame upon him uhoh he stepped out into the lot looked over and
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finally spotted what was happening and he just said hey lady shut up you'll wake up the guests so Jane finally lifts
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her head off the steering wheel and is like hey [ __ ] help me I'm tied up right and the man walks closer and could
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see a piece of adhesive tape like hanging from her mouth and he was just like what the [ __ ] and J Jane said they
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robbed me and took my daughter and he just stared at her and he said I thought it was some sort of motherdaughter
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disturbance what do you do you see that a l robbed me and took my daughter like do you see that looking like this a lot
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so he was like so Jane was like call the police that's what I need you to do Perkins was completely on move moved by
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this scene and she said later Jane said later he just stood there and fussed at me he didn't do a thing are you [ __ ]
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kidding me Walter Perkins get it [ __ ] together like what get it together he didn't call the police at all didn't
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call it he he was literally like I staring at her this is annoying like and you said he's the the night Watchman now
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later yeah he was like the night the person at the front desk oh good and later Walter Perkins Walter Perkins
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would claim that he didn't want to alarm any of the other guests so he was trying
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to be discreet but Jane ma said he was incredibly infuriating and he didn't give a [ __ ] I'm also like I think the
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other guest should already be alarmed because um one of these doors has broken off the hinges a woman's been beeping
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her horn and screaming for help and she was tied up yeah well we should probably
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involve the police here so she's saying hey call the police and he's like what and she stands up and it's like hey see
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how my hands are are tied behind my back and my ankles by the way her ankles are
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still tied God she hopped across the parking lot right she stands up with her ankles tied and her hands tied behind
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her back she's covered in cuts and bruises has tape AC on her mouth a mother daughter hey can you call the
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police and then she also goes hey also can you get some [ __ ] scissors and uncut like un [ __ ] timing do I need
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to spell everything out right now so he did but he ended up cutting her hands only
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and she was like my ankles are also cut and he was like can't help you there what he was like this is weird I don't
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want to do it why he was so ineffective that Jane had to hop back to her own room where she was able to cut the
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bindings around her own ankles what is happening here Walter Perkins together so then she called the
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County police on her own because Walter Perkins did not call the police I hope less people stayed at that Motel after
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this you know what Walter Perkins did he just walked back to the counter in the front desk and sat behind
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it where he started huh he just sat back at the front desk didn't call anyone just like that was weird I can't
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understand on your name I just can't understand why the what I don't understand him so when she saw when Jane
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saw The Intruders leaving with her daughter Barbara she immediately imagined that they had robbed her before
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they had left and now they were probably planning to sexually assault or kill Barbara that's all she could think of of
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course but when she entered the room after getting you know herself free she realized her purse was still on the
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table and hadn't been touched and in fact everything was exactly as it had been before they were attacked the only
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thing missing was Barbara Bar and she said when I realized they hadn't robbed us I knew they were after
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Barbara which must have been horrifying horrific now doal County officers Walter
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Bayer and SL bomb grass were the first one to were first to arrive at the roadway in they found Jane Mackle
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waiting outside the door of her room and when the call came in on the radio for a
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signal 77 both of them recognized that as a kidnapping code and it was uncommon in De County so they rushed to the motel
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they were very worried within minutes of placing the call they were already there
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like it was quick officer Bayer recalled she was terribly upset and terribly Disturbed and he said it was difficult
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to understand what J was actually trying to tell them but they just knew that she
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had reported a kidnapping and beay said I thought it was some sort of sexual abduction after all in the moment
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neither officer knew Jane or Barbara Mackle and their instincts told them why would a man in a teenage boy kidnap a
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young woman right there's really only one reason and it's horrible that they could think of Y so like Walter Perkins
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though the roadway you know at the roadway night clerk Jane was immediately frustrated with these these responding
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officers as well another shitty Walter they weren't really taking her seriously she said I tried to tell them Barbara
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was a co-ed at Emery and a very nice girl and one of the policemen said very sarcastically a co-ed at Emy and a nice
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girl as if those two things could not exist together that's good yeah that's fantastic just you know somebody trying
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to further their education all of these men in this so far are [ __ ] pigs what the [ __ ] like this woman is literally
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like I was just tied up in chloroformed and my daughter wasi was ripped out of her bed in front of me and I don't know
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where she is by a man and a young boy it seems and they're like and she's like and she goes to Emory and she's a nice
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girl and their response is like you're daughter is probably a [ __ ] Emory like like what what the actual [ __ ] you're a
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pig like so far the men in this are pigs except for Stuart yeah very much so Jane's dad like that's yeah but by that
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point Jane had called Stuart Woodward the best friend and he had arrived at the motel he came running in the middle
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of the night since the maal were from Miami Jane didn't know anyone in the area who she could call for help in that
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moment she so she called Stuart and asked him to sit with her while she waited for her husband to arrive because
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uh Jane's Father Robert was coming right away yeah but he's coming from Miami now
00:26:55
Stuart wasn't there when all this happened but he tried to help answer the officer's questions for Jane to like
00:27:01
help through like get out yeah you know who knows if they trusted his answers any more than hers but the officers were
00:27:08
eyeing Stuart a little bit pretty suspiciously and Jane kept saying he's just a friend but they listed him as
00:27:16
Barbara's boyfriend why and she was like he's just and he was like I'm just her like really
00:27:20
good friend they said girls and guys can't just be friends be friends steuart explained that the previous day he had
00:27:27
actually noticed a white male driving a late model blue car hanging around the emery campus and staring at him oh and
00:27:34
he said just a it was just a few hours before Barbara was taken that's spooky but he said when he approached the man
00:27:40
to find out what the [ __ ] he wanted they sped away other than that piece of information they really didn't have
00:27:45
anything else H that's weird yeah so the two responding officers took Jane's statement and wrote it up more or less
00:27:52
as she described it to them but again very little evidence at the scene in a short time later plain clothed
00:27:59
detectives arrived at the motel but it didn't really help at all either there was nothing there to detective Matt do
00:28:05
macked over Jane appeared what he he said appeared mentally ill and could have passed for drunk well her daughter
00:28:13
was just ripped out of her [ __ ] bed at 3:00 a.m. so this detective described her as when I first saw her she appeared
00:28:20
looped looped like loopy she yeah like looped like loopy she had just been chloroformed is anyone taking that into
00:28:28
consideration she appears drunk uh she might have just huffed ether so what is wrong there's a very real possibility
00:28:35
that she is [ __ ] up not of her own valtion like are you is everyone all right it feels like they're like judging
00:28:41
her because she's at a motel yeah and it's like oh I'm sorry that she came here to take care of her sick child yeah
00:28:48
like what the [ __ ] but it's like they're not taking her seriously at all no now
00:28:52
before long however though he realized Jane was panicked and appeared to be in pain from the assault and also under the
00:28:59
influence of whatever the [ __ ] they had just suffocated her with with a rag still both Jane and Stuart felt that the
00:29:06
newly arrived detectives were just as suspicious of their story as the initial officers were and it's like they all
00:29:12
were treating them like they did something wrong and that was Remain the case until Robert Mackle arrived from
00:29:19
Miami a few years hours later that's good we as soon as the man appears yeah we're good it's very 60s now since the
00:29:26
kidnapping of the Lindberg baby in 19 32 kidnapping had been a federal crime in the United States which would make it
00:29:32
the jurisdiction of the FBI okay also in add need them instead probably do probably do in addition to being an
00:29:40
incredibly wealthy real estate developer in Florida Robert Mackle also moved in some pretty powerful political circles
00:29:48
oh yeah and had made because I I know you were probably wondering like what the [ __ ] is going on here this is a very
00:29:55
well-known like the a powerful family okay okay um he had also made a number of valuable contacts and close
00:30:01
relationships through this including a friendship with FBI director J Edgar Hoover shut the [ __ ] up holy [ __ ] Robert
00:30:10
Mackle was not [ __ ] around I'm surprised I haven't heard of this so when he learned of what had happened
00:30:15
here that night Robert the father immediately placed a call to Hoover's office directly and the case was given
00:30:22
the highest priority taking it completely out of the hands of the local police right away can you imagine in
00:30:28
those [ __ ] wads when he stepped on the scene and was like yeah get the [ __ ] out
00:30:32
I'm going to call J Edgar Hoover bye you pieces of [ __ ] who are just ignoring this also I would have oh the if I had
00:30:40
connections the way that I would get them ripped off the [ __ ] FL imediately like what the [ __ ] are you
00:30:46
doing so he got immediately ripped right out of the hands of those local [ __ ] police officers out Po and was just
00:30:54
placed delicately into the hands of the nation's most powerful law enforcement agency just like excuse me I'll take
00:31:01
that now as he drove north north towards Atlanta Robert said he just was fixated
00:31:09
on his daughter and what she was going through what could be happening at this moment he said I kept thinking I'll wake
00:31:15
up this has to be a nightmare oh and he said he just couldn't stop thinking about it and he said this was before the
00:31:23
idea that this could be a kidnap for ransom he just was thinking she kid to awful [ __ ] to her and kill her and
00:31:30
although it had become far less common the whole kidnapping for ransom thing than it had been in the past they still
00:31:36
did happen especially for like Ransom other material or political gains they happened and given his wealth and social
00:31:43
status and like how he was in political socials and um C circles I don't know why I said socials circles he was a far
00:31:51
more likely candidate for that so sounds like it yeah while Robert made his way to be with his wife in George several
00:31:58
family members and Friends waited for any word at the mle house they all came to help um in back in Miami and that
00:32:06
included Robert's business partner William odow Jr um odow had been posted by the phone just consistantly he would
00:32:14
not leave which I was like what a good business that's a really good friend um as soon as Robert left he just took his
00:32:20
place um and he was intent on keeping the line clear in case any calls came in regarding Barbara and a little after
00:32:26
9:00 a.m. the phone rang and odow answered and he said he heard a man's voice asking for Robert Mackle mhm and
00:32:34
he said he's on his way to Atlanta and there was a long pause and then the man on the other end said well
00:32:41
tell him to look under a palm tree in the northeast corner of the house under a rock about 6 in
00:32:47
down okay so to odow this was very confusing and strange because he didn't know any of the
00:32:55
details of what what was happening he just knew something bad happened they didn't know where Barbara was and he had
00:33:01
to leave so he just like came with very little information it was just like I'm here I'll just be here for whatever and
00:33:08
they're telling him to go look under this palm tree they said tell Robert to do that so he it's like like I said uh
00:33:15
he's going to Atlanta he's not there so he tried to ask follow-up questions cuz he was like what the [ __ ] and the man on
00:33:21
the other end just said that's all like Miranda Priestley that's all and then hung up so to William Dow the caller on
00:33:28
the other end of the line he said sounded Latino he said not Spanish necessarily but possibly from a country
00:33:35
or maybe just a home that spoke native Spanish okay but he said he also thought that it could have been a Canadian
00:33:41
caller trying to disguise their voice with an accent okay I wonder think that he said it was a very like muddled and
00:33:48
it kept falling in and out of like an accent so he didn't know if it was real not real kind of had a Canadian vibe to
00:33:55
it like it was giving DQ kempley yeah it was couldn't figure out what was happening there okay but whatever it was
00:34:00
he said he didn't recognize it and he and it didn't give any other identifying information so he was like that's really
00:34:06
all I got yeah although the prospect of digging for clues in the yard seemed kind of crazy to him a little
00:34:13
Preposterous might as well odow cared about this family he cared about Barbara he cared about his business partner
00:34:19
Robert he cared about Jane so his Instinct was to just rush outside and start digging where that person said cuz
00:34:25
he's like I just want to help I feel like that's what I would do but Robert's brother Elliott said we should wait for
00:34:31
the FBI they're on their way to the house let's not touch anything like they're almost here like let's just wait
00:34:36
you [ __ ] with evidence so when he arrived at the house agent Joseph St Pierre listened to odow story about the
00:34:44
mysterious collar with the uh maybe Spanish accent in the clu supposedly buried in the yard St Pierre called his
00:34:52
partner agent Cass who was with Robert and Jane in Atlanta and Cass confirmed for the couple that this did appear to
00:34:59
be a genuine kidnapping and then asked whether they had any palm trees in their yard at home so Robert was like well
00:35:06
yeah we have a cluster of Phoenix Palms in the northeast corner of the house yeah like we live in Miami exactly where
00:35:12
they said uhhuh uh so they relayed that back to agent St Pierre in Miami with some help from The maal Gardener Walter
00:35:19
Powell agent St Pierre located what he believed to be a large piece of coral about the size of a man's fist beneath
00:35:26
the Phoenix pum okay and he instructed Walter to begin digging very carefully he was like I
00:35:32
think we're coming upon something so we didn't he didn't want to destroy anything but in the second shovel of
00:35:37
dirt St Pierre spotted what appeared to be a rolled up piece of paper protruding
00:35:42
from a black rubber stopper okay and when he carefully removed this from the dirt it appeared to be a broken
00:35:48
laboratory Beaker huh and it would smashed when the shovel went into the dirt so they were like [ __ ] uh and it
00:35:55
appeared that whoever had placed this note in the bottle had trimmed the rubber stopper to like get the note in
00:36:01
the bottle mhm and it was rolled very tightly so they they're finding laboratory equipment buried in the yard
00:36:09
in a in the yard of a Miami real estate developer weird but St Pierre was far more concerned that there was a note
00:36:17
here and he was like this is a little scary so the agent carefully carried the whole thing back to the house and asked
00:36:23
the housekeeper to get him some tweezers cuz he didn't want to touch the um so she did that and once they pulled
00:36:31
it out of the bottle and unfurled it they realized that this was very real and very [ __ ] scary and very dark a
00:36:39
ransom note so the note said Robert Mackle sir your daughter has been kidnapped by us and we now hold her for
00:36:46
ransom she's quite safe if somewhat uncomfortable we offer no proof of our possession of her at this time it will
00:36:53
arrive by mail in a few days uh Barbara is presently alive inside a small capsule buried in a remote piece of soil
00:37:03
what the [ __ ] she has enough food and water and air to last 7 days at the end of the seven days the life supporting
00:37:10
batteries will be discharged and her Air Supply will be cut off the box is waterproof and very strong fiberglass
00:37:17
reinforced plywood she has little chance of escaping the box is in an unusual and
00:37:22
lonely place she has no chance of being accidentally stumbled upon what yes in the actual [ __ ] this young woman is in a
00:37:33
fiberglass and plywood coffin in the middle of the forest somewhere buried in the ground what the
00:37:42
[ __ ] the three-page note which is a very long note uhhuh was very detailed and it
00:37:50
went on to demand $500,000 which in 2024 is 4.5 million oh my God and they they demanded it in recently
00:38:00
issued $20 bills and no more than 10 notes may have consecutive serial numbers the kidnappers also claimed each
00:38:08
bill would undergo quote a minimum of 8 hours of intense examination before they
00:38:13
revealed where Barbara was they also noted that the money should occupy quote no more than 4,000 cubic in and
00:38:21
therefore should be delivered in a standard suitcase that is 31 1/2 in Long by 18.75 in High by 6.25 in deep oh that's
00:38:33
scary cuz these people know what the [ __ ] they're doing like down to every last centimeter that's horrifying once
00:38:39
the mael were ready to make the exchange they were instructed to place an ad in the personal section of all the Miami
00:38:45
newspapers that read quote loved one please come home we will pay all expenses and meet you anywhere at any
00:38:52
time your family once the ad appeared in all the papers the kidnapp ERS would call to
00:38:58
tell them further instructions I'm I have chills I'm I'm absolutely shook of [ __ ] that they have
00:39:06
to do right now under such duress per absolutely perfectly or their daughter is going to die in a box in the middle
00:39:12
of the to die of Suffocation being buried alive yeah so this whole thing clearly confirmed that Barbara had been
00:39:21
kidnapped for ransom um it also showed them that like you said these kidnappers are [ __ ] [ __ ] brilliant well
00:39:29
organized and very serious doesn't sound like this is the first time they've done
00:39:33
something like this and the details contained in the note implied that they had thought through several aspects of
00:39:40
this crime it was not quickly done down to the dimensions necessary for a suitcase to hold
00:39:47
$500,000 and finally the presence of the note at the mle house suggested that this was not impulsive at all in order
00:39:54
you know the note had to be found the note was going to be found right after Barbara was kidnapped so they either had
00:39:59
to have somebody stationed there who then snuck onto the property once the deed had been done and buried it or they
00:40:06
had buried it in advance like days before that's what I was wondering and the news of the kidnapped Millionaire's
00:40:12
daughter clearly broke the following day and made headlines across the country but despite their best efforts rep
00:40:19
reporters got very little information from investigators because remember they're tight with the family and they
00:40:25
had like no access to the family well that's good cuz they could have [ __ ] everything up an FBI agent said in
00:40:30
response to reporter's requests for a statement from the family they just need a little peace and quiet we're getting
00:40:35
them away from the motel good now Barbara's F friends and classmates were also protective of the family in the
00:40:41
situation that's great when they couldn't get any information from the FBI or the family a lot of reporters did
00:40:47
you know what reporters do and they all went to Emory University campus and they
00:40:51
searched for leads mostly they came up empty good uh one student told her a rep from the Atlantic Constitution I'm not
00:40:59
going to tell you anything just [ __ ] off Vibes and Barbara's roommate Ramsey Owens was also like no I'm not telling
00:41:08
Ramsey Owens love that uh they said I've talked to the FBI and I feel like anything that can be that can help has
00:41:13
been said and done I haven't been at emry since Saturday and I don't know anything up to the minute good so they
00:41:18
were just like leave us alone Z the FBI's got it nobody's yapping those who were willing to talk to the Press
00:41:24
avoided specific questions about the case and said just talked about what a great person Barbara was that she was
00:41:30
very warm very friendly and they would see her again that's it they would not talk about the case they wouldn't talk
00:41:36
about that Family other than to say we love that family good so it sounds like this family also had a lot of people who
00:41:43
really cared for them yeah um while FBI agents and government officials around the country were scrambling to find
00:41:50
Barbara Mackle she lay very still inside a coffin-shaped box buried somewhere in
00:41:56
the remote forests of Georgia so she really was in a [ __ ] box now to give you all a little bit of ease Barbara
00:42:03
lives okay I needed to know that I needed you to tell me that and the reason I'm telling you this ahead of
00:42:07
time is one to give you that but also to give you her thoughts while she was here
00:42:11
in this box because she was open about what she was going through so I think it's important she said she iMed she
00:42:18
thought to herself I'm being left here to die and she said this is it this is the end and what the vessels had put her
00:42:25
in the one that was reference in the ransom letter was little more than a reinforced plywood box with two pipes
00:42:32
leading out of the lid presumably to the surface above she had no idea where she
00:42:37
was she didn't know how deeply she had been buried in fact she only knew what her kidnappers had told her she had food
00:42:44
and water and air for seven days and if her father prayed The Ransom she would be set free oh my God and she said the
00:42:51
kidnappers had left a small amount of food within her reach which I was like you're laying down though and you have
00:42:55
to eat yeah and she was able to access the water bottle at the bottom of the box through
00:43:01
a long straw wow and later after she had been rescued uh Barbara would learn her
00:43:07
captors had drugged her water to make her sluggish and docile uh-huh which is really [ __ ] up and the only other
00:43:14
things in the Box were an exhaust fan supplying her Air at a single light in the electrical supply to both
00:43:22
the light and the fan were connected so when one was on the other one would go off this is like unfathomable who the
00:43:28
[ __ ] comes up with it literally feels like and she's laying there [ __ ] panicking and she said at first like
00:43:36
after pretty much right away she said I had really dark thoughts and I was just like I can't do this I mean yeah and she
00:43:42
said instead of waiting a week for this to happen why should I why not just turn
00:43:46
off the fan like she's like should I just turn off the fan and let it happen why should
00:43:51
I go through this for a week cuz also you're probably sitting there wondering are they actually telling me the truth
00:43:55
is like are they going after my dad for ransom or are they just [ __ ] with him and are they going to get the ransom
00:44:00
then just leave me here like are they just going to do it for the hell of it and but she wasn't a defe and she was
00:44:05
like I she's a strong strong lady so she was like I just could not allow myself to give up in that moment even though
00:44:13
like I'm sure all she wanted to do I can't fathom that no she said as I lay there I began to think about the
00:44:20
kidnappers I kept thinking of him not her look I said if he was going to let me die he wouldn't have gone to all this
00:44:26
trouble if he wanted me to die he would have just killed me right yeah and remember she just said I kept thinking
00:44:33
of him not her so is the little one a girl maybe so what she's thinking is true too like if her kidnappers had gone
00:44:41
to such incredible lengths to arrange this super elaborate crime it did stand a reason that they like maybe had
00:44:49
intentions of returning her once they got the money mhm like there's always that chance obviously that they're just
00:44:56
going to run away into to the wild blue yonder after they get their money yeah of course but like they did go through
00:45:03
cuz cuz my like I think her thought finally went to like they would have just buried me with no air and nothing
00:45:10
and just been like yep she's under there with no air like they didn't give any evidence to the family that she was
00:45:15
alive so they didn't have to give her all this if they didn't plan on releasing her after a week yeah you know
00:45:21
they at least had intentions of trying that's I mean the long straw the food the light like seems like that's a lot
00:45:28
and it's like but then you have then I'm sure she's going dark and sitting there
00:45:31
thinking but are they just torturing me for a week yeah and letting me think that and making me go through this for a
00:45:36
week before I die right like this is torture my God I can't imagine so Barbara later told a reporter I can't
00:45:43
remember the exact sequence of things I can't remember what I was thinking at exact times I know I started singing
00:45:48
after counting I knew I had turned off the light I didn't want to waste the battery and she said she did everything
00:45:54
she could to take her mind off these [ __ ] off circumstances and any of the awful
00:45:59
potential outcomes that she couldn't stop running through her head you know anything could go wrong at this point
00:46:06
uhuh so she said she's saying Christmas carols she counted cuz remember it's Christmas break coming up I forgot that
00:46:12
she's saying Christmas carols she counted she talked to herself endlessly and she thought about her family and
00:46:17
friends she said and she said and then it happened and she said you know how a light bulb flickers just before it burns
00:46:24
out that's what it did I had the light out and I reached up to turn it on it flickered and it just went out oh so now
00:46:31
she's just in total darkness she plunged into complete and utter darkness and she
00:46:39
said that's when she panicked she went hysterical and she said I was absolutely convinced I was going to die in a
00:46:46
makeshift coffin in the middle of the woods alone oh my God and oh the PTSD that she must have endured
00:46:55
afterwards now it took about a day for Robert Mackle to get this money together cuz remember in this today's money is
00:47:00
$4.5 million [ __ ] money so specific specific the serial numers numbers the it has to be in new 20s but by the night
00:47:11
of December 18th he had collected all the $500,000 in cash as requested and he loaded the Stacked bills into the
00:47:18
suitcase now because there was such a tight timeline here they had a lot of difficulty finding a specific suitcase
00:47:25
that matched those mentions mhm but eventually it was Robert's employee Billy vessels who found one that fit the
00:47:33
entire amount wow he must have gotten [ __ ] promoted after that his his like business people are all like coming
00:47:39
together to help this makes you really think that these are good [ __ ] people yeah so um Billy vessel said to me it
00:47:46
was a Fant it was fantastic the way the money fit I don't think they could have put in one other bill it was so damn
00:47:52
heavy I couldn't believe wow so they had measured it down to the last bill wow and with the money ready to go an ad was
00:47:59
placed in the personal sections exactly how they told them and the mael could just wait and with each hour that passed
00:48:07
without word they started wondering whether they would ever hear from anybody again or whether they'd ever see
00:48:12
their daughter again yeah vessels the employee said it was High Noon waiting for the damn telephone we were rendered
00:48:18
completely helpless and the process was made all more painful and frustrating when the phone finally did ring a few
00:48:25
hours later and he someone pranking the family telling them they knew where Barbara was because people are always
00:48:31
when I tell you people have always and will always be peopling get it [ __ ] together yeah the fact that people exist
00:48:37
out there that take these situations and do that you're you got to be a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] well you're just TST I
00:48:45
wish we could get all these people that make prank phone calls to families that are going through this kind of [ __ ] and
00:48:51
put them on a list and it should be like a high offense if you put them on an island together you
00:48:57
all you go all live together [ __ ] like that's like god wow so finally in the early hours of the morning when everyone
00:49:05
was about to give up the phone rang a little before 400 a.m. my God it was a man's voice and they said the man's
00:49:12
voice was cold and very formal they said nothing like the Prank Caller tone MH and Robert said he just instinctively
00:49:19
knew this was the real kidnapper and the caller gave Robert directions to a remote location on Fair Isle Street in
00:49:26
rural Atlanta and it passes over a Causeway and he said if you look down the causeway you'll see a blinking white
00:49:32
light you'll put the money in the box which will have a light on it and he said do it gently and then gently close
00:49:38
the lid and you'll turn around and leave is that clear Robert said yes he understood and the kidnapper also
00:49:45
provided a few other instructions he said you are to come alone you are to drive your link to the location you are
00:49:51
to wear a white suit and that's it these all indicated that the Nappers were going to be monitoring the entire drop
00:49:59
site and what was happening to make sure that he listened this is reminding me of
00:50:03
one of the cases that you just did and everything got theer one the mar yes now given his you know power in you know
00:50:12
social standing Robert Mackle had a lot of control over how this case was handled luckily um particularly when it
00:50:18
came to law enforcement so he told everyone he wanted to cooperate with the kidnappers and follow the instructions
00:50:25
exactly I would want to of the agents are going to argue with him and attt to interfere he was like this is it I'm
00:50:31
doing thank goodness that he held the power that he did cuz this could go so differently but they did tell him we are
00:50:37
going to follow you in an unmarked car at a considerable distance um that we're going to have agents around so nervous
00:50:43
and you know an agent in the passenger seat would be calling out each cross street they passed over the radio so
00:50:49
everyone at headquarters could follow along on the map okay now when Robert finally reached the general area of the
00:50:55
causeway he became became confused about where he was and he got turned around and lost his sense of direction this is
00:51:01
before GPS remember and he was panicking he was going to miss the deadline and so
00:51:08
he's frantically looking for any houses or businesses that he can ask for directions to and he spotted a fisherman
00:51:16
and this confusion had rippled back to the agents trailing him so the cars and all the family members waiting back at
00:51:23
headquarters are like what the [ __ ] is going where is he where is he going what's going on they're all worried that
00:51:27
the kidnappers are going to leave Barbara to die if anything goes wrong everyone's panicking and Robert was
00:51:33
luckily able to talk to this fisherman who gave him good directions hell yeah thank you fisherman and Robert was able
00:51:40
to backtrack and make his way to the drop site oh my God and he found the box under the causeway so it was still there
00:51:47
the sun was starting to come up as Robert placed the suitcase in the Bal box did what he was told and went back
00:51:53
to his car and drove away why did he have to wear a white suit so they could tell that he was listening to what they
00:51:59
said that's [ __ ] terrifying they just want to know that you'll follow all their directions basically and they want
00:52:05
to make sure it's you they want to make sure all of that and he but at this point he's so scared that the chaos and
00:52:12
confusion like [ __ ] all this up and he's like I did everything perfect but like what if I didn't did they see
00:52:19
anybody else did I mess something up yeah like what happened less than 30 minutes after Robert drove away from
00:52:26
this whole thing thing two police officers Paul self and William Sweeney were just out patrolling and they
00:52:31
spotted a parked car out by the causeway o and this area where the causeway is is
00:52:36
super Rural and even in you know a place where there's a lot of rural Landscapes
00:52:41
a car being here was strange so self the police officer said automatically I knew
00:52:47
it didn't belong there I didn't recognize it so he's thinking it's something nefarious he's like what's
00:52:52
going on here so the officers kind of like talk to each other like should we check it out should we just leave it
00:52:56
alone uh and they finally were like let's go take a look let's at least go talk to this person so as the officer's
00:53:02
car approached the causeway their headlights hit on two figures emerging from the brush shut the [ __ ] up they
00:53:09
appeared to be two men one larger than the other and one carrying a suitcase uh-huh now both officers jumped from
00:53:16
their car and immediately called for them to stop which sent them both scrambling in different directions
00:53:22
officer Paul self gave Chase on foot and Sweeney pursued the man in his car trying to cut him off as he ducked into
00:53:27
a backyard and while the smaller of the two men disappeared into the woods the officers focused on pursuing the man
00:53:34
with the suitcase yeah by the time they caught up to him he was scrambling over um a tall chain link fence and he
00:53:41
dropped the suitcase behind him I'm so nervous right now now realizing they probably didn't they're not going to
00:53:46
catch up to him at this point they ended the Chase and just grabbed the suitcase
00:53:50
and went back to the local Precinct so as the FBI agents back at headquarters listened to the police channels on the
00:53:57
radio while they waited for Robert to come back they caught a brief mention of two officers who' spotted some
00:54:03
suspicious activity out by the Fair Isle Causeway and pursued two unknown suspects into the woods I'm so nervous
00:54:10
that this is like going to [ __ ] everything up it didn't take long before they realized um that oops the local
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police didn't have any knowledge of the ransom exchange happening oh my God so the local police had no idea what they
00:54:25
had just stumbled into and so they had inadvertently botched The Ransom drop why did I know that this
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why do Ransom drops just never go to plan yeah in a statement later that day um police chief Charles price said there
00:54:38
has been no coordination between us and the family or others so that meant that FBI never informed them of the ransom
00:54:47
drop the local authorities had no idea and they said if we had known we wouldn't have interfered that was an
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over since they had not been aware of of the situation the two officers had no idea what they were walking into and
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just thought they were stopping a Prowler doing their job and when he learned of what it occurred Robert
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Mackle was absolutely devastated of course he was and he was absolutely certain he wasn't getting his daughter
00:55:10
back he was like we [ __ ] it up while the FBI refused to make any statement on the botched Ransom drop they did release
00:55:17
a statement on Robert's behalf indicating to the kidnappers that what had happened was in no way the fault of
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the mle family um Robert was quoted as saying it was my desire and wish that everybody leave it alone I want to do
00:55:30
business with them please do not harm her now the press release was broadcast all day and night on local television
00:55:37
and radio stations hoping the kidnappers would hear it and contact the mackles later that evening they did Robert
00:55:44
Mackle received another call from the kidnapper who agreed to give him one final chance to save their daughter damn
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well cuz they want their money they want the money so he's told to take back them
00:55:55
take the money to the remote location again another he's got to take a whole another set of that money well now they
00:56:00
have the suitcase ohce they dropped it so he was told to take the money to another remote location on the outskirts
00:56:08
of where they were and this time he was supposed to come alone mhm uh so not wanting to botch The Exchange a second
00:56:16
time the FBI informed the local authorities of the upcoming exchange this time they were like this is
00:56:22
happening and all parties agreed we will not interfere and this time everything went as planned thank goodness now while
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the local police interference had foiled the plans for one smooth exchange it wasn't all bad that that had happened
00:56:37
because in their pursuit of the suspicious individuals on the causeway officer self and Sweeney discovered a
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Volvo station wagon with Massachusetts plates huh that they believed belong to the two men that pursued into the woods
00:56:50
I hate that it's Massachusetts in this case I know I'm like damn inside the car they found rope tape a ski mask believed
00:56:57
to have been worn by the smaller person during the abduction and more importantly a key to Jane and barbar's
00:57:04
room at the roadway in how did they get a key I don't oh was it on Barbara possibly they must have taken it okay
00:57:12
they also found other less incriminating evidence including a woman's blonde wig
00:57:17
several road maps miscellaneous camera equipment and roles of film what at the scene they also discovered a boat
00:57:24
registered to Dr Robert Hurley which they believe the kidnappers used to reach the pickup location okay now when
00:57:32
the agents ran the plates on the Volvo they learned that the car belonged to a man named George Gary Deacon a resident
00:57:39
of Massachusetts with no known criminal record and barely any evidence of any public existence whatsoever that's weird
00:57:47
suspicious inside the Volvo they also found a stack of Polaroid photos depicting who they believed to be the
00:57:54
kidnapper George deacon it was um they were very uh provocative photos with an unknown young woman wait they were just
00:58:01
like piics of the kidnapper yeah in one photo Deacon was described as quote nude
00:58:07
heavily bearded this is the description by the way it's you got to do what you got to do I don't necessarily want you
00:58:14
to but here we are nude heavily bearded I'm so what are you going to say [ __ ] and beefy and
00:58:23
fat lying on his back on the bed not beefy it's the beefy Barbera gets out of this guys
00:58:33
don't worry beefy just describing rude like that's that's out of pocket a pocket my that is not a pocket you
00:58:46
didn't just say that I'm crying oh my God guys that's the relief we needed in this tension
00:58:53
filled episode it's the beefy it's the beefy uh it's the beefy for me uh sometimes I'm
00:59:01
feeling beefy you know what I mean beefy I wish they wrote I Reckless with this instead they could have said thick with
00:59:09
two C's but they said beefy um I mean this guy seems like an [ __ ] so yeah and also um just to be clear this other
00:59:17
person in the photo is not Barbara so don't worry this is not yeah that situation and they're describing George
00:59:24
describing adjectives Deon quote unquote adjectives yeah and in another photo Deacon is nude except for a police cap
00:59:32
on his head remember the kidnapper had the police cap yeah and he's holding a telephone as though he's about to make a
00:59:38
call and the other photos are of the young woman in various states of address Pro undress posing provocatively what
00:59:45
the [ __ ] are they up to here who knows just having a a good time now when the agents get to the fifth photo in the set
00:59:53
oh no there's suddenly evidence that this is definitely their kidnapper cuz it's Barbara the fifth photo is of
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Barbara Mackle laying on her back on the ground she is dressed um and she has a sign reading
01:00:07
kidnapped place under her chin oh my God in the photo Barbara's Eyes Are Open her
01:00:12
mouth is like a little open like and she looks she doesn't look like it's a it's
01:00:18
a strange look on her face can you look up you can look it up okay I'm going to look um and remember she is alive in
01:00:24
this photo but when they saw photo and I understand why they thought this think they thought she might be dead in the
01:00:29
photo oh God just because of the look on her face um the photo set contains seven
01:00:35
photos in total but the agents knew the and this is very interesting and like smart of them uhhuh the agents knew that
01:00:42
the Polaroid cartridge that they used in uh produced eight photos in total huh so
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based on that they presumed that there was one missing photo and that photo was likely of Barbara and that was probably
01:00:54
the proof of existence that the ransom letter had referred to that they said they would send to the maal later okay
01:01:01
but the mael had not received it yet oh wow I can see why they thought right she
01:01:06
does have a look on her face that could be yeah looked at as she's not with us cuz she's not smiling but but she's not
01:01:14
she's not not smiling yeah like she's definitely not happy that's not what I'm saying but she it's a strange look and I
01:01:22
think that's why they were like is she alive yeah now oh my God this is [ __ ] chilling
01:01:29
so they assume that this final photo is the one that was being sent to the mael but they hadn't uh received it yet so
01:01:36
they found all these photos they now have a name George Deacon they have dropped off don't you dare they're
01:01:43
Ransom don't you do it everything has been put in place and now they just have to
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wait and when we come back for part two you're going to hear some mindblowing [ __ ] about George deacon I'm so scared
01:01:57
so get ready um it gets crazier how even it gets crazier Elena this case is cucko
01:02:03
nuts bananas this might be and especially because she survives one of my favorite cases we've covered Dave
01:02:09
also was saying this as he was going through it like this was he was he was like this is [ __ ] mind-blowing crazy
01:02:16
you just need a case where somebody survives yes where six years in and there's a fun little um like there's
01:02:23
also a fun little tidbit at the end that even adds to like the like oh wow cool so like it'll all come in the end we'll
01:02:31
all get to go ha okay all right see sometimes you need they'll be that but it's going to get wild till then okay so
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Okie do so strap in well keep listening we hope you do we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird
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but not so wor that you forget your outro and just Babble it all out I was like I'll figure out I was like
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