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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid [Music] we're back we're back and we're better
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than ever that's right and I'm not snarfing and coughing as much as I was we love that so this is new and Ash is
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back she was only gone for one but that's fine yeah did you miss me did you miss her oh no I was asking you oh I did
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you miss me yes good but I had Caleb to talk about Cryptids with I know that's why I asked if you missed me because
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it's like hard when you when you yeah like replaced me with somebody so wonderful you know he is pretty
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wonderful I love that man but you know what you're both wonderful in your own ways thank you you know thank you so
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much I know me and Drew were talking about Caleb last night and he was like I miss Caleb I was like you could probably
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tell him that and he would just get on a plane or like start driving truthfully yeah truthfully I believe that
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wholeheartedly that Caleb would just jump in some form of transportation and be here with them be like I'm on my way
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the correct amount of hours that it would take honestly yeah um I wouldn't be able to host him right
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now because my spare bedroom is literally filled to the brim with laundry and then this this weekend where
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we're like oh we're gonna do that laundry like let's start it oh no we did we started too and then my wash machine
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made this noise it said [Music] and we figured I think it might be yeah also don't make
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me laugh too hard because I have gunkas oh you got the same thing I got I'm still in that this is gonna be pretty
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funny actually because if we make each other laugh we're gonna sound like we are actively dying so I sound like I
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have a disease yeah like me too if I laugh I sound like I have like just destroyed my lungs for years yeah
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absolutely you know yeah well it kind of goes along with this story I feel like you need to have like a hard way about
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you oh I'm like gunk in the throat crazy chain smoker laugh all right cool it just like fits for the story you gotta
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be like Paulie from peaky blinders okay so it's funny that you just said PE blinders I have never watched peaky
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blinders but although you should I've seen I know I should it's hard because Drew doesn't like a period piece but
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it's so good like I think succession was a period because it was like a couple years ago literally yeah no peaky
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blinders is so good though and he's got Killian Murphy in it like I know my BFF Kaylee and her boyfriend are obsessed
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with Thomas Shelby I know her life and he is really no matter what he does he can do the worst [ __ ] ever and I'm like
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I forgive him it's okay he's a good man well I'm worried about how you're gonna react to this story then because there's
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actually a Tommy in this oh and he's like one of the main culprits um today we're going to talk about the Glasgow
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ice cream Morse which is Bonkers like you hear ice cream and you're like oh like ice cream yum yeah love that he
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doesn't love ice cream you scream we all scream for ice cream everybody does but
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we're really all screaming over like this case because it's [ __ ] Bonkers and it's like I said the ice cream worse
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but not like Food Network holiday or like Cake Wars I was gonna say because this sounds delightful it does it sounds
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like a holiday special on the Food Network um it's anything but that essentially
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we're talking arson we're talking drugs we're talking guns we're talking murder and straight up War
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so not food networky not not completely no no not really it's a few little errant differences there yeah you know
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what you're right but it all started with Andrew quote unquote fat boy Doyle and that was like a term of endearment
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so yeah I'm not I'm not calling him that that's what his family called him and it
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was like a loving term so I'm gonna stick with it it was it was a nickname it was a nickname so this is Andrew
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Fatboy Doyle he took over the lucrative ice cream van Roo in glasgow's Ru Casey I believe I'm saying that right I looked
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it up um and it sounded like that when I heard it to my ear but then I just realized I think I'm saying glass gal
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yeah Glasgow Glasgow Glasgow yeah God so much stress I know it's hard and there's
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a lot of names in this that I looked up and I like wrote my own phonetic spelling so I hope I'm doing it right I
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you are just yell at me if not you will anyway I'll yell you not the internet will you no the internet will yell at me
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it's fine yeah exactly well anyway so he took over the lucrative ice cream van route um and the
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rookie housing estate in the early 1980s he knew that he was kind of encroaching
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on the territory of established van drivers who were not going to let their roots go without a fight like many ice
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cream van drivers in the late 70s and 80s Glasgow in Glasgow go [ __ ] it's throwing me off go to Glasgow there you
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go but like many of those drivers he knew that there was more money to be made selling illegal Goods on ban routes
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than there was in more respectable trades and he kind of hoped to get in on the action yeah from what I've read it
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doesn't necessarily seem like he he didn't want to sell like drugs or anything like that because that's what
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was happening on these band routes they were selling toilet paper cigarettes beer wine and drugs Contraband yeah it
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was illegal to sell like you know the toilet paper and stuff like that you weren't supposed to do that yeah
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um very illegal to sell drugs very he wasn't into like the whole drug thing of it he didn't want to do that but he
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wanted a root of his own to sell what he wanted to say yeah so his Rivals though
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We're not gonna let their territory go without a fight they were very intent on holding down their businesses they
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didn't want to let newcomers in and they would stop at absolutely [ __ ] nothing
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to make that clear they started attacking van drivers they started attacking customers at certain
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points ooh now this war quote-unquote war would conclude in April of 1984 but it didn't end with like somebody waving
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a white flag and being like you know this is true silly why don't you have this route I'll take this route yeah
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Kumbaya baby no no no it literally ended with a fiery Blaze and with six members
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of the doyle family being brutally brutally murdered damn all over an ice cream van holy [ __ ] yeah the Glasgow I
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did that right okay yeah you got it the Glasgow ice cream Wars and the murder of
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the doyle family really obviously outraged the Scottish public and they demanded that the authorities do
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whatever was necessary to bring an end to this whole gang war that kind of started and at this point it was just
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overrunning the streets but the police obviously wanting all this activity to end they quickly
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arrested six men for the murders and as we know it's like never really good when
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there's a quick arrest no like sometimes it you know you're like sometimes it work so but like but you never I never
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really want to hear the word like quickly arrested yeah which sounds crazy no because I know what you mean though
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because it's like whenever you hear that the public was in this outrage and everybody's freaking out and it's like
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there was all this pressure [Music] chunk of suspects that they know didn't it's like I understand what might be
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happening here yeah because I don't know I don't know anything about this case actually neither says brand new to me
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neither did I well two of those six men were sent to prison for life for the mass murders of the doyle family and
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after nearly two decades though information came to light that seriously casted doubt on the guilt of those men
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and the extent to which the scrap strathclyde police and potentially even the entire Scottish legal system were
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willing to go in order to make that problem go away I am so it's kind of one of those things where they were feeling
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the pressure it seems like anyway they were feeling the pressure and they needed to put some amount of people in
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prison but let's head back to the 70s for the sake of the story let's do it so throughout the 1970s the Scottish
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government started clearing out what were known it's not a nice thing to say but what we're known back then is the
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slums of Glasgow and they were relocating the residents to newly constructed high-rise uh housing Estates
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like the rukasi housing estate now a lot of times the rents were kind of subsidized for low-income families that
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whole deal and for the most part the housing Estates were built and managed by local
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government agencies trying to solve a problem but at the same time they were sort of just adding
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to it you know make sense that's usually what happens when you like dislocate and
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then relocate people there's going to be some problems that go along with that because many of the poorer residents
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were like I just said completely dislocated which added to the desperation and then led to an increase
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of crime the new low-income homes were usually located on the outskirts of the city which meant that there wasn't easy
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access to resources and even just like essential items like grocery stores and Social Services stuff like that
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especially for those that didn't have a car and back then not everybody was tooting along in a brand new West no you
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know now the government at the time couldn't really get together a sustainable solution I know that's like so crazy to
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think about yeah that's wild yeah so people took it upon themselves because they really had no other option and this
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is when informal businesses and services like the ice cream vans in Glasgow were
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Casey's estate came into play so the ice cream Vans were said to have sold everything quote from fish to cigarettes
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and they were really like quote unquote General stores on Wheels I love that it's really cool to think about it is
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kind of cool because there weren't local markets or even bus lines in these areas
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yeah so this is just rolling General Stores exactly the ice cream bands became lifelines to the residents in
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these Estates if they needed to get stuff now at first the ice cream bands were pretty much how they are here in
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America like today they were just Vans filled with all kinds of treats rolling around the little areas in town playing
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music selling said treats but the summer season in the UK is one pretty short and two pretty
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unpredictable so when it wasn't chilly and rainy people weren't necessarily looking for ice cream but they were
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looking for snacks and daily use items and from time to time some drugs yeah just time to you know think Uber Eats or
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doordash before it's time but uh with less big business ties there you go the people driving these Vans weren't going
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through background checks they weren't having to like provide a license not really you could pretty much just get a
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van get into it and start your own business it was like a startup yeah after you got your van you'd have to set
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up some kind of um like buying some kind of stock from a local distributor or a dealer if that was part of your business
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model and you were ready to go but for those that couldn't afford to buy a van outright they could actually lease a van
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either weekly or monthly oh okay there was like organizations where you could go to this was far less excuse me far
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more common because as I've made it clear these areas were not like flushed with cash sorry John ralphia don't want
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to take your flow sorry but in this model the leasing firm was responsible for the maintenance of the van getting
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it insured and any other fees that were associated with operating it and the driver had to cover the cost of gas and
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the stock of his or her products because uh back then like women were driving these Vans too yeah now the trade-off
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with this way of doing it was that the driver was paid about 50 or 60 pounds a week and the rest of the profits went to
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the leasing company so that's how they made their yeah it didn't bring in as much money for the drivers as it did for
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drivers who could buy their own van but it was more affordable and there was still a profit to be made for drivers
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that could find and keep a good route but that was kind of the Crux of the issue finding the route was one thing
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that was like Lucky in and of itself but then keeping the route was even more and
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this is when the territory stuff probably comes into play yeah exactly now because unemployment rates were
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really really high right after the end of World War II and there wasn't as much opportunity for formal employment the
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competition for Van Roots Began instantly according to Douglas Skelton who co-authored the book Frighteners
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with a fellow journalist Lisa brownleigh I believe is how you say it back in those days quote the dirty tricks had
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been limited to school boyish acts like squirting windscreens with the raspberry
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liquid used to flavor the vanilla ice cream and double stopping now double stopping was when one driver
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followed a rival driver to their route and like cut ahead of them to steal their business
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wow yeah so it was pretty this is like that's like little kid [ __ ] it was pretty innocent when it first started
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like just squirting raspberry [ __ ] on the windshield that's like funny yeah exactly annoying but funny yeah you know
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turn your windshield wipers on yeah yeah it was when it got like later into things that uh it wasn't really just
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like raspberry coming out your windshield it was like sledgehammers oh okay literally that's different a little
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bit that hits a little that literally hits a little different quite literally like quite literally raspberry liquid
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versus to the face one is just turning on your windshield wiper maybe getting some new windshield wiper fluid because
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you used a little bit too much yeah the other one is getting an entirely new windshield so and face and face you're
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right you know that yep yeah and maybe like a leg surgery appointment yeah that would hurt yeah damn they were like a
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bunch of shade queens that escalated so quickly it did so by the late 1970s when
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unemployment in glasgow's Northeast Estates like rukasi was between 40 and 50 percent a legit ice cream van
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operator could make upwards of 200 Euros I think it's euros yeah per week selling
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ice cream wow and as much as 800 a week wow all right so this is like a desirable oh yeah if you can make it you
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could make it right and the people that were making closer to like 800 a week that was quote if the operator was
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willing to sell stolen cigarettes sweets and soft drinks and this is unquote but
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drugs and uh and uh drugs and the drugs and like I said people were willing to go to bat for these roots because they
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desperately needed that kind of money yeah but now the quote unquote School boyish pranks and silly tactics had
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escalated that's no fun I really like to just spraying with the raspberry raspberry [ __ ] like no it's that was
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just good wholesome fun yeah it's like a clown you know like with a little flower
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but you know what desperation now drivers in this new period of time like I said would vandalize other Vans
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sabotage them threaten the other drivers pretty much every time it became physical and this was all so that a
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driver could keep the best route what a toxic work environment the most toxic work imagine coming in every day to work
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no and you have to deal with like you're like I don't know what's gonna happen today like you know you mean and not in
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a good way like oh no they had to make like literal alliances and like hire people to watch out for them and hire
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people and we'll get into all that that's so much work but the increase in violence was particularly alarming in
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the poor and working-class neighborhoods but it also wasn't just confined to those neighborhoods it was alarming
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there because it was scary but it wasn't just those neighborhoods in the early 1980s London drivers were also engaging
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in a myriad of tactics to protect those more lucrative routes and also resorting
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to violence in December of 1981 three men from the Piccadilly whip ice cream company were put in jail for an
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intimidation campaign on another driver that escalated to a really violent Point
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these men had attempted to scare this driver his name was Anthony Sherburne from his site outside of a herod's
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department store but their tactics weren't working like they were kind of just threatening him verbally
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so when they realized that wasn't working they drove a truck into his van and then beat him to the point that he
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quote lost his two front teeth and had two broken ribs oh my God yeah so that's where it all started holy [ __ ] now at
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the start of the 1980s there were three leasing firms behind the ice cream van industry they were the Viking ice cream
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company Capaldi and the mark Mar I'm gonna look this up hold on I didn't know if it was
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marchetti or marchetti but according to pronouncednames.com it's Marquette market so yeah we had all those
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companies just you know leasing out there and the Vans for the ice cream people now until the uh early 1980s all
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three of these companies were regularly profiting from leasing out their Vans and selling products to the
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self-employed drivers but by 1982 all three companies were reporting annual losses and they attributed these losses
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to quote loss of sales repairs to Vans yeah I was gonna say and all the difficulties of starting new drivers
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because who the [ __ ] wants to join this business now that it's become this yeah
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exactly like you gotta there's a very specific person that will weigh the the risk the cost can cost and reward here
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yeah the little Pro Yeah well yeah like somebody just got beaten so badly that their front two their two front teeth
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are gone and they broke two ribs and broke two ribs and you're like is it worth it and they also drove a [ __ ]
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uh yeah of his van what if he had been in the van it's a liability man it is so by the final quarter of 1983 Vans were
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constantly being turned to the Marquette Brothers Garage with smashed Windows broken headlights just any kind of
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vandalism you could think about it these Vans were suffering and yeah and it was
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so now we really get into the beginning of the ice cream Wars because this was bringing in so much money and because
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there really wasn't a lot of law enforcement around the Estates where the van schemes were were they were kind of
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now attracting a more criminal element these dudes who wanted an easy way to quickly and easily offload stolen
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cigarettes and other Goods that could be sold on the ice cream Vans they had their perfect ticket oh yeah this is
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like the ideal thing now yeah now while there had been clearly a lot of conflict
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among drivers from the very beginning the treble reached New Heights actually now we're going to go back a second to
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1978 between drivers from the marchetti brothers and 50 ices this is kind of like where the main tensions Lie from
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the late 70s all the way to like the mid 1980s and these are all names of like ice cream things yeah spices yeah it's
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um like the the leasing companies who own the game so like the Marquette Brothers have their own vans that run
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around 50 Isis has theirs exactly okay it's like how there's um different taxi services yeah that makes sense yeah
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and 50 ices was a little bit of a smaller leasing firm but that's where a lot of the tensions were between these
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two this was primarily taking place and glasgow's barlin Arc neighborhood for the most part flare-ups between the
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groups were minimal quote as long as they stuck to their respective sides of the scheme so it was like marchetti
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brothers could have this route 50 Isis drivers had this route you do not Crossroad yes remember the two shall
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meet exactly but every now and then a member of One group would infringe upon the territory of another causing yet
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another outbreak of violence and vandalism and what also complicated things was that there were a lot of the
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working-class people in this area they had ties and or like some kind of connection to the Ulster defense
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Association which is the UDA oh they were a Protestant paramilitary group that terrorized Northern Ireland and
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also parts of Scotland and this meant that sometimes the religious affiliations between drivers led to even
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more violence oh my God the layers it's crazy it really doesn't it from what I know of people blinders it sounds like
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this is very this is very peaky blinders yeah yeah and just wait I feel like it only got like I said never seen it The
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Vibes are here but the Vibes feel yeah and it only it only five years oh yeah now this was the case in October of
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1978. tensions were already super high between drivers working for marchetti brothers and 50 Aces and things
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escalated when one of the drivers attacked the van of a driver from the Rival company so we have two rival
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drivers fighting with each other okay now some members within that rival company also had ties to the UDA and the
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police were starting to hear word that there was going to be some kind of retaliation for this fight between them
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oh [ __ ] and they were hearing that the UDA Affiliated members were getting ready and starting to arm themselves for
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some kind of big retaliation oh my God this is so peaky blind it's crazy now the police knew some of the more
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notorious uh key players if you will and they were able to get involved before anything escalated to the point of like
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what they thought was going to be a very bloody battle Yeah in the East end but it only kind of put like a temporary
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Band-Aid on the overall problem throughout the rest of the year there were regular small fights between the
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rivals but those were kind of just hints at what was to come when two van drivers from glasgow's
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suburbs Dennis down and Easter house started encroaching on roots in The barlon Arc in early October four
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Marquette drivers began a campaign of intimidation threats and vandalism and by the end of that month it resulted in
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a serious assault on one of the Suburban drivers geez the Marquette drivers ended
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up being arrested and charged but the charges were dismissed for all but one of them only one of them got the charges
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and that man ended up being sentenced to serve five years in prison to him now despite the one prison sentence the
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campaign of intimidation and violence successfully did drive the Suburban drivers out of the area
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which like along with the lack of consequences showed that the violence was the answer when it came to
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protecting your route I'd say that was a pretty bad move if you get dismissed on
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all these charges and only one person gets in trouble you're like okay so what are my odds of getting I was just gonna
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say I'll play those odds why not exactly now because the criminal activity among
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the East End drivers had gotten so [ __ ] crazy there were another group of people who saw this as an opportunity
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those people formed a protection racket whoa yeah this meant that drivers who wanted extra protection had to pay a fee
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to these Hooligans willing to provide it for them and for those that didn't they
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were on they were on their own yeah like that's all you buddy damn now this was the case for a female driver Sadie
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Campbell she had started driving back in 1982 and in the beginning she was actually paying a protection fee because
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she was like you know what I'm not [ __ ] with all this but then she found out that the people
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were requiring this fee were doing so by means of extortion and at the time she was losing her profit because she's
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paying for this fee and it's really like ridiculous you know yeah of course they're extorting her and at this point
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she was finding it difficult to pay her bills so she stops paying it she's in a no-win situation now almost immediately
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her van is vandalized the windows were smashed in and somebody also slashed her tires now when her brother Tommy found
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out what was going on Tommy he went into he's like the main kind of guy in this he went into a full-blown protective
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brother mode he Tracked Down the driver responsible and quote kicked his ass up and down the street this does sound like
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Tommy uh so this is Tommy Campbell otherwise known as TC all right but he was kicking
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people's asses hell yeah he was and he like kicking ass all while two police officers who decided not to intervene
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just watched from their car nearby that is funny [ __ ] the fight was incredibly
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intense if you read about it just know that there's like some animal cruelty involved
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um whoever he was fighting like stuck dogs on him like sent them to hurt him and one of them ended up being killed oh
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really sad it's sad but so he thinks he's taking care of this he's like you know what I took care of this I thought
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the guy responsible a few weeks later Sadie's van explodes holy [ __ ] luckily she's not in it
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literal oh my God she's not in it but that fully ended her career as an ice cream van driver wow she's like I'm done
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yeah I'd be good with that now even though he had just seen how [ __ ] insane life could be in the ice cream
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trade Tommy TC Campbell was like you know what I think I got the street smarts for this let me join and he
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started in the fall of 1983. no isn't that [ __ ] crazy why would you do that so instead of leasing a van from one of
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the firms he actually bought his own he described it as a clapped out Banger that's right yeah that's how I would
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describe it as well a clapped out Banger that's how I describe all my cars clapped out Banger don't make me laugh
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I'll start snowing sorry now when uh TC there got his clapped out bang out hell yeah all set his wife Liz also got a
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licensed operator on that same time and she was going to be operating as a street vendor so she started her route
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in a neighborhood known as haggle and at the time she was the only van on that particular route that you would
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think wow that's great I'm gonna have so much success here and she did and she made a lot of money for the time being
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I'm worried for her and that's the thing you wanted to get a successful route that nobody else had but it was also
00:27:31
dangerous to get a successful route that nobody else did because ah someone would
00:27:36
come along and start [ __ ] with you and your van and try to take that over yeah that's not good and that was
00:27:43
exactly the case with Liz oh Liz once people heard that she had a successful route she became a Target and she
00:27:49
started getting threatened now apparently Tommy was also able to track down the guys who were messing with Liz
00:27:53
he just of course he was he's a bloodhound yeah I think you don't mess with the women in his life you sure
00:27:59
don't apparently no and this time he didn't even have to throw hands because he had a reputation oh I mean look what
00:28:05
he had done with uh his little sister yeah he pretty much cemented that right there yeah so he just kind of took care
00:28:10
of it and what was that he just gives them he gives a Stern face oh yeah he just like
00:28:18
oh you can like smell him coming you like close your doors hide your wife hide your kids oh yeah yeah I'm one of
00:28:23
those I keep picturing him as as Thomas Shelby and that would mean that he would
00:28:27
just always smell like you would always smell cigarettes coming because Thomas Shelby is like chain smoker they all are
00:28:34
like literally that entire show is just cigarettes like all all the show I wonder what they smoke like they know
00:28:41
something different right yeah they have to I'm like you would all be yeah Dire Straits if you were smoking that much
00:28:48
you know that's funny that you said that I was thinking that uh yesterday because
00:28:51
I was watching girls next door obviously obviously and um it was the shoot where
00:28:55
Kendra dresses as May West so she has like a cigarette holder and she's smoking like a what looks like a real
00:29:01
cigarette yeah I was like [ __ ] like like what is that really just but they must
00:29:05
do something different for like a peaky I would think where they're literally I mean they are that's
00:29:11
99.7 nine percent of the show is them lighting up cigarettes I thought you were about to say 99.7 and I was like
00:29:18
99.76 of the show smoking ciggies is them lighting and smoking cigarettes the smell of cigarette I like used to smoke
00:29:24
cigarettes which is a really embarrassing fact about me the smell of them now yeah I really don't like the
00:29:30
smell of things I would give it for Thomas Shelby but but not ashkel but not ashkel I don't
00:29:37
know Elena got so mad at me I did yeah but it all worked out I'm I'm uh not a smoker it was for if it was for the best
00:29:43
yeah I'm 100 okay I wasn't bullying her Elena's always bullying me I am it's you
00:29:51
know that's why she's my maid of honor and everything absolutely but you know anyways back to TC Tommy Campbell back
00:29:56
to it so he just had to look at them this time he was like [ __ ] you guys [ __ ]
00:30:00
you guys except like Scottish yeah I can't do that it's a hard the broke is hard it's difficult now he didn't only
00:30:06
have street cred with the van drivers and as the leader of the Gaucho razor gang of course but he also was very well
00:30:15
well known to police I'm sure you're shocked to hear with them he had a reputation of being a
00:30:20
quote-unquote vicious cruel man who was usually and frequently involved in Mindless violence this is a quote
00:30:27
fighting for territory mindless violence yes just violence for violence sake literally TC's life in the early 80s he
00:30:35
was running multiple small-time Petty schemes he was selling uh stolen goods he was extorting money from various
00:30:41
groups of people he was essentially Born to Be an ice cream van driver yeah I 100
00:30:45
This Is The Life made for him yeah exactly like he didn't choose the ice cream van life it shows him yeah it like
00:30:53
sought him out truly truly now by the end of 1983 there were rumors circulating in glasgow's East End about
00:31:00
Marquette drivers being run out of neighborhoods or followed on their runs by suspicious cars and hag Hill Reed
00:31:07
Robertson who was actually the man that sold Tommy Campbell his first van started getting threats that if he
00:31:13
didn't abandon his lucrative haggle root then his van would be blown up oh yes that yeah okay according to skeleton the
00:31:22
worst that happened quote was a brick being thrown through his rear window oh that's the worst and isn't that crazy
00:31:28
when you're like all the worst things yeah like that oh it was nothing all they did was throw a brick through his
00:31:32
window he was all worried and then he just got a brick launch through his back window that was no big deal they're all
00:31:37
potatoes Small Potatoes but it didn't matter every skeleton skeleton yeah because it just makes me think of
00:31:43
skeletal yeah as soon as you said I was like oh I'm a skeletal I do too I haven't seen him in a while yeah goes to
00:31:49
his family yeah he wouldn't see he wouldn't saw his family family yeah he'll be back though so he must he must
00:31:54
have had a good time with his family yeah if you don't know that we've definitely told that story that's what
00:32:02
your youngest her like a little imaginary yeah that was her perhaps real that was her guy her man you just sit
00:32:08
there posing on the bookshelf just living just living yeah you know then he would just go visit his family family
00:32:15
yeah well the skeleton just said like it's just a just a brick in your window Scout tone is different all right
00:32:22
different I was just about to laugh and then I was gonna die we gave Elena some time to die I had to
00:32:27
have a second yeah but she okay now I'm okay she's okay I'm back um that's really funny I just got a
00:32:33
notification from ubereats and that just feels like fitting for this wow what do they want from me what do you
00:32:40
want from me Uber Eats they want me to order um they want you to lease a van no never
00:32:45
clapped out Bangor Ben I mean the twist my arms they go out right okay now so Reed he has this whole thing thrown
00:32:52
through his windshield yeah he does skeleton's like yeah no big deal Reed's like big deal uh I'm not gonna sit
00:32:58
around and wait for things to get worse uh everybody take my route read for the win that's what I would do I'd be like
00:33:04
yeah no that's as bad as that gets yeah he gave up his root and it also wasn't just the Marquette drivers being
00:33:09
targeted at the end of September of 50s uh ice try Isis driver was just wrapping
00:33:15
up the end of his run in rukasi and he was gonna be calling it a night as he was finishing up he saw a dark-colored
00:33:22
Ford Escort pull up behind his van and then two men wearing masks came out from the car no both holding shotguns nope
00:33:31
the driver John Brady immediately threw his van into gear put the pedal to the [ __ ] metal and sped away and as he
00:33:38
sped away these masked men banged on the sides of the van smashed one of the windows in and just the whole time were
00:33:45
like screaming threats to Brady this is a lot this is terrifying one might say this is the most also the fact that this
00:33:53
happened and I have never ever ever heard of it me neither [ __ ] bonkas this is really wild it is now when he
00:33:59
made it to safety Brady told the van's owner who was Samuel McBride about his ordeal and McBride took the information
00:34:05
to the police and Easter house to make a formal complaint it's unclear if the police actually followed up on this
00:34:11
complaint uh it doesn't seem like they followed up on a lot of these complaints it seemed like it they're like yeah
00:34:16
that's that's like this is annoying so yeah actually but either way McBride made the decision pretty quickly after
00:34:23
all of this to sell that van to Tommy Campbell oh and leave the ice cream business for good and that's why that
00:34:30
van was a clapped up Banger yup that there you go I was like sorry again so like we've been in 1983 for a while
00:34:39
we have 1983 the year of John the year of John what a year and of escalation in the ice cream world you know same thing
00:34:46
and now it wasn't just I see no difference I don't really see any difference at all this is what I said
00:34:52
right quit making yourself laugh no it wasn't only the van drivers who were receiving threats of violence and actual
00:34:59
harassment it was anyone even associated with the business at all this was the case in late October for marchetti
00:35:06
brothers supervisor James Mitchell he just finished his shift and he left the Marquette garage a little bit after
00:35:12
midnight now as he's driving home a dark-colored sedan drives up behind him real fast with the high beams on so he
00:35:21
slows down he assumes the car behind him wants to pass but the other driver came
00:35:25
up next to him and ends up keeping Pace with him oh very um what's that [ __ ] movie with Jared Leto that we just we
00:35:32
watched it recently again oh um the little thing the little things when he does that oh so creepy yeah so he keeps
00:35:39
Pace he's just driving along right next to him for a few hundred feet and then Mitchell notices somebody in the back
00:35:45
seat rolled down the window and point what he believed was a gun in his Direction no so he banged a hard turn
00:35:51
down the next street available and the other car ended up speeding away but had he not had a street available he very
00:35:57
well could have been shot uh yeah I'd say so from haggs Hill to car time to her Casey someone had their sights on
00:36:04
taking over the ice cream van runs in glasgow's east end and they were doing it one neighborhood at a time also if
00:36:11
you see a dark-colored sedan in these neighborhoods run get the [ __ ] out of there run there was dark colored sedans
00:36:16
everywhere yeah I'm like you know not a lot of people had access to cars all of a sudden they just find access all of a
00:36:21
sudden there's just dark colored sedans like coming out of their ears yeah seriously they lurk in they have so many
00:36:27
it's [ __ ] crazy in late October drivers in this is gonna be an attempt it's called gartham lock I believe oh I
00:36:34
love that it was a Suburban neighborhood in northeastern and a northeastern part
00:36:38
of Glasgow Gotham lock but drivers there had become so terrorized that finally the police intervened finally they took
00:36:46
this long I just can't get over the name of that that's awesome I just keep thinking of like Wayne and gartham walk
00:36:51
right it's Wild Rock off I'm trying party on Wayne and gartham walk now remember this is 1983. at this point
00:36:59
this had been going on since 1978 and the police are just getting involved now yeah I mean like now at this point
00:37:05
they're like maybe we should do something about this like you know what this doesn't seem to be going away on
00:37:09
its own so like I guess it's like an infection they're like you know it's weird it seems like it's getting worse
00:37:14
when we're not remedying it it's insane so the police added increased patrols and they actually even put plain
00:37:20
includes officers and decoy vans in an effort to catch the main perpetrators of this whole thing now the increased
00:37:27
police presence it definitely helped keep the violence and the intimidation to a minimum but it also just chased the
00:37:33
crime out of that specific neighborhood and into others that were less patrolled
00:37:38
on October 27 1983 three vans and cartine were attacked in a span of just two hours geez One driver what'd you say
00:37:48
efficient I know and that's the thing like it really was kind of organized crime yes very much you know one driver
00:37:55
told police he was working with his usual run at about 8 15 one quote four hooded men jumped out of a red Triumph
00:38:02
and smashed the van using pickaxe handles and other weapons oh [ __ ] crazy okay now the next morning
00:38:10
Marchetti's company secretary who at the time was Archibald McDougall yeah it was
00:38:15
[ __ ] rad at the time and forever in our hearts he received an anonymous call from a queen quote-unquote Gruff
00:38:21
individual yup I would like to be described henceforth as a Gruff individual individual who told him quote
00:38:29
I wish I could have a brogue for this but I'll try to be Gruff Scottish brogues are just so hard they are and I
00:38:35
love them they're so they're so like pure in and close to my heart that I don't want to [ __ ] with one no I know
00:38:40
yeah I know I'm just gonna be Gruff if we can't attack your vans in the north gartham lock area because of the heavy
00:38:47
police activity then we will attack your Vans everywhere else and that's what we
00:38:51
done last night I love it there you go if you don't get your Vans out of the Gotham lock area
00:38:57
then we'll do it again I love it that's pretty graphic it was that was rough as [ __ ] thank you I did get a little
00:39:02
English I would describe you as a Gruff individual if I heard you say that thank
00:39:07
you like that's what we've done last night I know oh there it is that's all I can do though okay okay that's what
00:39:13
we've done last night you gotta say that's what we've done last night it's very Boondock Saints yeah I like except
00:39:18
they're Irish ah [ __ ] but yeah I think we sounded a little more Irish we probably did yeah well anyway all I can
00:39:26
think of is donkey that's all I can think of too we've done last night we don't last night don't get it there you
00:39:31
go now the van runs runs as we I'm like in a room the bedroom as we know at this
00:39:36
point definitely provided a profitable income for those willing to drive the roots but the increasingly criminal
00:39:43
nature of the business started offering even more financial opportunities for drivers who didn't want to get directly
00:39:49
involved in vandalism or intimidation there are plenty of teenagers in and around the council Estates willing to do
00:39:55
it for them just a small price I loved like the the like entry level positions it's like for those who don't want to
00:40:02
get directly involved in the violence and intimidation yeah it's like you can you can have your
00:40:09
own run yeah you can be one of the people who sells the illegal Goods yep you can be one of the people who extorts
00:40:15
the drivers for protection just for their lives or you can be a teenager who's going to vandalize some some who
00:40:23
will do the interview for the drivers yeah it's kind of a pyramid scheme yeah there's a lot of different like little
00:40:28
tendrils to this business and I I appreciate that yeah so so the teenagers they were getting in on this now it's
00:40:34
[ __ ] crazy and it's sad too like we're lulling but it's really sad that it came to this well that's in and the
00:40:40
thing is when you really because you can like laugh about just like how outrageous it got well it becomes
00:40:45
fictional that's the thing because you think of it as like peaky blinders but like then when you really lay it down
00:40:50
and you kind of like peel away all of this it's out of pure desperation exactly all of this so it's like when
00:40:56
you really look at the origin of it you're like oh well that sucks yeah like that sucks that desperation causes this
00:41:03
you know it really is like a like a case study on society yeah it's really sad it
00:41:07
is so the teenagers the teens in April 1984 17 year old William Hamilton and a group of his friends in the Cowden beef
00:41:17
Estates were paid 70 pounds by a man named Thomas Lafferty which I just like Lafferty Lafferty yeah
00:41:24
um Thomas Lafferty told this William and his friends to smash up the van of a female driver whose root ran through the
00:41:31
neighborhood now Lafferty worked for Tommy Campbell at the time and they were also brother-in-laws
00:41:37
and while later William Hamilton refused to say what Lafferty had given him the money for he did admit to taking the
00:41:44
money and a little over an hour after he took that money he and his friends were
00:41:48
arrested for donating Celtic tammys which I think those are like the um the hats like the golf hats kinda with the
00:41:55
turtles on them yeah and like the fluffy ball on top wearing those and uh attacking a van with pickaxe sandals and
00:42:02
a sledgehammer this is like very violent it's the most violent very aggressive and it's just like a group of 17 year
00:42:09
olds with sledgehammers and pickaxe and this is like a woman's a woman's van yeah hopefully she wasn't in it at the
00:42:15
time I know but they were arrested good now at this point the ice cream van trade had evolved into a small time gang
00:42:22
war for dominance yeah glasgow's east end but thanks to the occasional police intervention incidents of violence had
00:42:29
been relatively minor but all of that would change in about four short months and everything would come to a head in a
00:42:36
shocking Act of Destruction and it would forever rank glasgow's ice cream Wars as
00:42:41
among the worst acts of mass murder that the country had ever seen holy [ __ ] this
00:42:46
is like it gets to a point like of just Insanity like you think that this is insanity and it very much is
00:42:54
when we re-ratched it up what actually happens you're like what the [ __ ] did you think was gonna happen oh
00:43:02
thank you [Music] foreign Fatboy Doyle our guy our guy the efforts to run Marquette Vans out of the gartham
00:43:25
lock area had been largely successful and by November there were only two Marquette Vans operating in the
00:43:31
neighborhood one of those was driven by James Mitchell Senior who was the father
00:43:36
of the Marquette supervisor who was run off the road okay and um I lost my place
00:43:41
a little bit and the other driver was Mitchell's 16 year old daughter Irene oh wow yeah and that's the thing like I
00:43:49
said women were obviously driving too but the young people were driving like 16 year olds yeah if you had a license
00:43:54
you had an opportunity holy [ __ ] now the obviously limited competition appealed
00:43:59
to Tommy Campbell's sister Agnes Lafferty who was driving a van for 50 ices at the time according to her the
00:44:06
two marchetti bands quote had a monopoly in the scheme and were charging the Earth for their stuff
00:44:12
and she wanted to take advantage of the opportunity to bring some competition to
00:44:16
the neighborhood so she sees an opportunity here okay Agnes now in the Marquette okay okay Agnes I'm I'm here
00:44:24
with you I guess yeah worried for you yeah when the marquette's company secretary our boy Archibald McDougall
00:44:30
our boy of forever forever and all over when he heard about Lafferty's decision to begin operating in gartham lock he
00:44:37
knew he would need to add additional drivers in order to lock Lafferty and 50 ices out of the neighborhood damn so
00:44:44
they're all coming up with like schemes to get the other one out skinny scheme schemes now other Marquette drivers had
00:44:49
expressed interest in this run but the recent flurry of threats and vandalism were still fresh in Archibald's mind
00:44:55
yeah and he knew whoever he put on the route was gonna have to be somebody who wasn't going to be easily intimidated
00:45:01
yeah and that is where Andrew Doyle comes in Android fat boy is the one that's not is not easily intimidated 18
00:45:10
years old imagine that's your that's your rep like they grow they're like we need someone who will not be intimidated
00:45:16
we pick you and be like I'd be like oh my God okay I would pick you you would pick me you're not easily intimidated at
00:45:23
all that is true yeah you know that that feels good yeah no problem that feels right I'd pick you fat boy yeah I
00:45:29
wouldn't do this though no this would intimidate I mean I would not pick you for this
00:45:34
if it was like a different thing yeah I didn't want you to be intimidated thanks
00:45:38
but I appreciate it I would never send you into these streets yeah I wouldn't do this I would be intimidated as [ __ ]
00:45:42
but Archibald did pick Andrew Doyle it was like him he's a good choice he called him and he offered him a van to
00:45:47
operate rent free whoa which was huge yeah like that's a massive opportunity in order to quote freeze out any
00:45:53
competition from rival firms now like we just said this is a big deal it wasn't like people were just throwing free Vans
00:46:00
at people who needed money left and right no and at the time Andrew Doyle likely thought this was a great
00:46:05
opportunity his family lived in like the newer housing Estates there was a lot of
00:46:10
them living in one little apartment like this was a huge opportunity absolutely he had grown up in a large well-known
00:46:17
family and they were really liked family they grew up in rukasi he was over six feet tall with a quote bulky excuse me
00:46:24
big bulky builds and that's why his friends and family had taken to calling him fat boy it was a term of endearment
00:46:30
yeah when McDougall approached him with an offer to drive for marchetti Andrew at the time was actually working as a
00:46:36
part-time bouncer at a local bar and sharing an apartment with his family in that rukasi estate
00:46:42
he obviously being a bouncer was no stranger to violence and he also wasn't really somebody to shy away from a fight
00:46:48
if one came his way but at the same time most accounts say that he was very nice
00:46:52
very reliable she's a good dude yeah you just didn't [ __ ] with him yeah exactly even Tommy
00:46:58
Campbell Doyle's competition for van runs described him as a quote nice big boy he wasn't a troublemaker and he
00:47:04
wasn't any sort of threat to anyone wow yeah now McDougall instructed Doyle to run the same route as Tommy's sister
00:47:11
Agnes staying either in front of or behind her the entire time wow so they're trying to intimidate her off
00:47:17
this week yeah Andrew starts driving in November and it didn't take long for the intimidation
00:47:22
and threats to begin One Night in November he was actually at home I'm sorry not by himself but at home like
00:47:28
you think you're safe there yeah what you would think you would think watching television with his brother Stephen and
00:47:33
they hear a car outside so Andrew looks out the window and he recognizes the driver so he leaves the
00:47:39
apartment and he goes out to talk to the man but he doesn't get any further than
00:47:42
the stairs and he's attacked from behind whoa yeah the man knocked Andrew to the
00:47:49
ground and then he and four other men proceeded to kick and punch him for several minutes oh my God the attack was
00:47:56
the first of a string of what they called back then Frighteners which were intimidation tactics used to deter the
00:48:02
Marquette driver from continuing his gartham lock run damn yeah now a neighbor testified in court later that
00:48:10
she had seen the fight outside the apartment and actually identified Tommy Campbell uh-oh Thomas Gray Gary Moore
00:48:18
and Joe Steele as the attackers Andrew actually didn't report the attack to the police but when he informed his
00:48:24
supervisor about it McDougall he called the Easter house police and did report the attack the Easter house police like
00:48:31
went to look for Andrew to kind of like take a statement from him yeah and they ended up up having a hard time finding
00:48:36
him along his route and when they did eventually track him down he was like no I'm not talking
00:48:40
about that now I'm good he's like nope and he basically just told them it had nothing to do with them and to mind
00:48:45
their own business wow so he knows what he's doing that's the thing he's not easily intimidated he just got the [ __ ]
00:48:50
kicked out of him and he's like I'm not going to police yeah like he's definitely very deeply entrenched
00:48:55
exactly so the attacks continued through the rest of the year with marchetti and 50
00:49:00
Isis fans taking heavy damage from rocks bricks hammers you name it just before Christmas Tony capano a driver for Agnes
00:49:11
Lafferty was on his way home after finishing his shift when four men in a quote we read Fiesta oh we read Fiesta
00:49:19
pulled at it and you would think that's not that scary no but they pull out in front of him and they throw a mallet
00:49:24
through his windshield imagine a Wii red Fiesta causing that kind of [ __ ] damn
00:49:32
like no that's like sending a little like a little toddler in with like a machine gun like that's the same kind of
00:49:39
vibe there that's that's the exact Vibe through a [ __ ] Mallet through his windshield damn nearly hitting Tommy
00:49:46
Campbell's sister other sister Liz who was sitting in the passenger seat so you don't want to [ __ ] with Tommy
00:49:52
Campbell's family no you do not so capuano tried to get away but the men in the fiesta pursued them quote unquote
00:49:58
aggressively until they reached Agnes Lafferty's house and when they reached that house obviously nobody's gonna [ __ ]
00:50:04
with Tommy's like family so the car disappeared down a side street now a month later near the end of
00:50:10
January Irene Mitchell's van was parked in the gartham lock when she spotted William Hamilton that guy from earlier
00:50:18
and a small group of boys headed her way the Mitchells had run-ins with Hamilton
00:50:22
a few times before I was talking about one earlier and usually this was at the urging of Thomas Lafferty so she started
00:50:28
the engine and started to pull away and a hammer came flying through her back window what is with like hammers
00:50:35
sledgehammers mallets like that's that's like very it's that's like brutality like you know what I mean like
00:50:42
this is so different the way this is being handled yeah you're just throwing hammers like throwing like Hammers and
00:50:48
mallets and [ __ ] at people like that's just so down and dirty this kind of thing is so you know it's so down and
00:50:55
dirty it really is and that causes so much damage like you are throwing something to cause like maximum damage
00:51:02
and like potentially death exactly hit in the back of the head with a crack of skull easy easy and with like the force
00:51:09
that it takes yeah continue like creeping through the air like that's insane it is so as the attacks increased
00:51:16
in both frequency and intensity so did the violence and threats from both sides rumors started circulating about one
00:51:23
driver threatening to kill the other but up until this point everybody just kind
00:51:27
of thought that was drunk [ __ ] talking yeah like everybody's like oh I'm gonna
00:51:30
kill him I'm gonna kill her yeah but that all changed one night in February when somebody fired a shotgun at Andrew
00:51:37
Doyle's van while he was parked on a street in gartham law holy [ __ ] he later did tell the police I was parked outside
00:51:44
of Balvenie Street I went to pick up some bottles which had fallen over I heard a bang and then saw a hole the
00:51:50
size of a football in the windscreen Jesus so how do you even in that van he absolutely would have been 100 and
00:51:57
Wilson a teenager who had actually been helping Andrew on his run told the police that she saw men wearing uh
00:52:03
balaclavas and she didn't see their faces but she did see that they were driving a dark colored Volvo oh and they
00:52:10
were wearing like those masks yeah like oh I was like I had to look up the pronunciation of that and like that
00:52:15
picture came up math kind of thing literally like you just see the eyes oh that's so creepy [ __ ] terrifying and
00:52:21
that's it's like all over roots for ice cream ice cream technically no this all the all roads lead back to
00:52:29
ice cream I know you're never gonna eat ice cream the same after this yeah even they're gonna eat it though they were
00:52:34
barely even selling ice cream I was gonna say honestly at the end of this like ice cream is a very loose term when
00:52:40
it comes to what this is yeah precisely so the day after the shooting Andrew flagged down a patrol officer to report
00:52:45
that four men in a Ford Transit fan had been following him that day around gartham lock all afternoon now a few
00:52:53
weeks later on March 18th two men in a Ford Transit van oh through a brick through the back of his
00:53:01
van the background now despite the escalation of the attacks and the stress that these
00:53:07
attacks were probably causing Andrew he refused to give up his route and he rarely reported the attacks to anybody
00:53:13
he just kind of wanted to handle things his own way wow now a few months later his brother Stephen told the jury
00:53:19
um of an incident in late February in which quote Andy was in the house and Anthony asked him about the business of
00:53:25
being shot at yeah Andy told him not to say anything and just leave it he obviously did not want to talk about it
00:53:31
my mother asked him what it was about as well but he wouldn't say Andy was just like that
00:53:37
so he's like literally just he's like he's don't worry yeah I've got it under control yeah
00:53:43
now Andrew was only slightly more Cooperative when it came to the local police telling him he didn't telling
00:53:49
them he didn't really know of any reason why somebody would want to shoot him yeah in fact he told them all of the
00:53:56
trouble that started only recently when quote the 50s ice Isis van came into the
00:54:00
area the one with wait for Agnes on the side now it seemed to the police that Andrew
00:54:07
interpreted the escalating gang war as kind of just Little fights between businesses and even though he had
00:54:13
already been physically assaulted himself he never thought that he was personally in any real danger yeah
00:54:19
whether this was really how he felt or just an act tensions were running particularly High by February of 1984
00:54:25
and it seemed that the violence was only going to escalate from here on February 1st a supervisor with the
00:54:32
marchetti brothers he arrived at the garage in the morning to find that at some point in the night somebody had
00:54:37
broken into the building and tried to start a fire with a crude gas bomb damn so at this point we are we are uh
00:54:45
what is the word intensifying or whatever yeah this is fire escalating I couldn't think of the word either it
00:54:52
just I was like I'm gonna talk until it comes to me and it just went I was trying that too yeah but sometimes it
00:54:57
works sometimes it doesn't yeah but escalating to arson yes straight up Flames crazy so the uh Petrol in a
00:55:05
bottle approach wasn't effective at setting the garage on fire but the arsonists did succeed in destroying one
00:55:11
of the Vans one of the Vans did catch fire damn now when the attempted arson was discovered to have failed leader
00:55:16
that day the arsonist actually returned the next um early in the early morning hours of
00:55:22
the next day and tried to burn the building again this time they dumped gasoline through a hole in the ceiling
00:55:28
but the Flames were immediately spotted by Patrol officers in the area and it was able to be extinguished by the
00:55:34
police department wow but now we're trying to literally blow up businesses yeah like not just I mean trying to blow
00:55:41
up a van in and of itself is pretty [ __ ] terrifying but now you're trying to entire building a whole building yeah
00:55:47
crazy this is one of those things where it's like does everyone see where this is going oh yeah
00:55:53
and be like this is gonna get so much worse that's the thing like the writing was very much on the wall with this
00:55:59
first of all the fact that when the fire wasn't successful they came back yeah it's like come on like these people are
00:56:05
intent on destroying what they want to destroy and it's only gonna get worse and it only did oh the night of April
00:56:11
16th 1984 there was a full house at the Doyle's apartment in rukasi Andrew Doyle's parents James and Lillian Doyle
00:56:18
were home as well as himself and his siblings Daniel Stephen and Anthony they also had three guests staying with them
00:56:25
their other son James Jr their daughter Christine Halloran and Christine's 18 month old son Mark I don't know now a
00:56:32
little before midnight Lillian Doyle said good night to her husband and her sons James Jr and Anthony and then she
00:56:38
went to bed for the evening at some point in the area in the hour that followed the rest of the doyle
00:56:43
family members also went to bed and the house was dark now at some point between 1 and 2 A.M
00:56:49
somebody climbed the stairs to the doyle apartment and poured gasoline on the door next to their front door this door
00:56:57
was used to access an old coal cellar and then they tossed a match at the door and the old dry wood immediately ignited
00:57:05
oh my God these are like housing like like little apartments like they are going to catch there's a 15 month old in
00:57:12
there yeah oh so Lillian Doyle Andrew's mom woke up to the sound of her daughter
00:57:18
Screaming in the Night and she woke up to see what she was screaming about now Christine's baby actually had been sick
00:57:23
with a cold in the last couple of days so she kind of thought oh she just needs help with the baby so she opens the
00:57:29
bedroom into the hallway and she's overwhelmed by the thick black smoke and scorching heat that immediately forced
00:57:37
her to close the door and stay back in the bedroom she's [ __ ] terrified so she goes to the window and she threw
00:57:43
it open uh maybe for like fresh air because she had just basically walked into a fire actually or for a
00:57:52
potential Escape Escape by then the neighbors had already begun to gather outside 40 feet below my God
00:57:58
and they were shouting telling her that the fire brigade was on its way now a short distance away another crowd
00:58:04
had gathered and this one had gathered around 22 year old Stephen Doyle like his mom he had been woken up by the
00:58:11
commotion and he got up to investigate and when he opened his bedroom door he was also pushed back in spot inside by
00:58:17
the smoke and the Searing heat of the fire so in a panic he ran to the window didn't think too much just punched
00:58:25
through the glass cut his hand and arm in the process he breathed a deep lung full of fresh air went back to the door
00:58:32
and tried to make his way into the hallway to help any family members that he could but he only made it a few steps
00:58:37
before he had to go back into the bedroom but he was able to grab Dixie the family dog before once again closing
00:58:44
the door he literally had no other option at this point so he went to the window sat on the ledge for a minute and
00:58:50
jumped three stories to the ground below holy [ __ ] badly badly injuring himself
00:58:56
in the process but he saved him in Dixie's life oh the lives so local firefighters received the call
00:59:03
about the fire at the doyle residence a little before 2 30 in the morning and they responded immediately their
00:59:09
first priority was to get anybody inside to safety but the Flames were still burning like way too hot for them to
00:59:15
even get to the door they couldn't even get to the door so they had to work to extinguish the fire from outside
00:59:21
now once they were able to access the apartment firefighter Gerald Lafferty so many lafferties I know he entered the
00:59:28
apartment wearing a breathing apparatus and he was carrying a small extinguisher
00:59:32
to kind of clear his way the first member of the family found was Lillian she was hanging half in and half
00:59:38
out of the window and as he moved toward her she screamed at him to help the children first oh she was like don't
00:59:44
bother with me you go get them first oh my God so in the next bedroom he found Andrew and Daniel kneeling in front of
00:59:50
the windows and the uh James Jr lying on the bed beside them whether out of confusion or just a desire not to
00:59:58
abandon their brother they both refused to leave and they actually had to be dragged from the apartment by
01:00:02
firefighters oh my God if you Google it there's a picture of Andrew Doyle being taken out of the apartment by the
01:00:08
firefighters and he just looks like in a daze obviously God so when Lafferty reached the third bedroom he discovered
01:00:16
James senior lying on the floor next to his daughter's bed this is really really
01:00:20
really sad Christine was still in bed and she seemed to be using her body to Shield
01:00:26
the baby from harm like she laid on top of the baby she was severely burned she there were no signs that she was
01:00:33
conscious but baby Mark appeared to be breathing holy [ __ ] so the firefighters
01:00:38
removed mother and child from the apartment and they attempted to perform CPR on Christine but she was gone oh my
01:00:45
God that's so sad 25 years old holy [ __ ] 14 year old Anthony was the last one of
01:00:51
the doyle family to be found he had actually been sleeping on the couch in the living room so he was the most
01:00:56
vulnerable one to the flames he was badly burned across most of his body and like his father and brother James he was
01:01:03
laid outside while the emergency responders used a resuscitator to keep him alive oh my God now the extent of
01:01:10
the damage to the Doyle's lives and property was massive and shocking Christine died at the scene Anthony died
01:01:18
on the way to the hospital baby Mark unfortunately died the following afternoon he was transferred to the ICU
01:01:25
at the sick Children's Hospital in York Hill but oh it was just too much for his
01:01:29
body oh my God James senior and James Jr were both both placed in the infirmary Burns unit for extensive injuries
01:01:36
enlisted in critical condition oh my God Daniel and Andrew were also placed in the burns unit and their situations were
01:01:43
considered serious Stephen had suffered serious back injuries and shattered his left leg when
01:01:49
he jumped from that window he had to get multiple pins in his leg among various other treatments Lillian was treated for
01:01:56
smoke inhalation and shock actually but was actually discharged later that day so she survived
01:02:03
several of the Doyle's neighbors including those who'd attempted to rescue the family were also treated for
01:02:08
smoke inhalation and these are all innocent people yeah you know like these are innocent people I mean Andrew Doyle
01:02:13
was just running a [ __ ] van root yeah he was hired to do this and everybody was intimidating him and he was just
01:02:19
going about his business and the saddest thing I think is that he was sought out
01:02:23
to do this he didn't even apply for this job like he was Sato and it's like this
01:02:27
is his family they didn't have anything an 18 month old doesn't have anything to
01:02:30
do with this [ __ ] ice cream war and they weren't even supposed to be there yeah that way they just happened to be
01:02:35
there yeah so his father Andrew's Father James or excuse me his brother James Jr
01:02:40
died the following day from his Burns and smoke inhalation and within a week his father James
01:02:46
senior and Andrew Doyle also died the former of Bronco pneumonia and severe burns and the latter Andrew of
01:02:54
Bronco pneumonia and lung damage from inhaling toxic gases during the fire so literally almost this entire family yeah
01:03:01
gone that's awful [Music] so as fire officials sifted through the wreckage of the apartment they couldn't
01:03:23
identify the origin point of the fire because I mean it had been just like yeah just demolished the best they could
01:03:30
tell was that the fire had started around the door going into the old coal Cellar however it appeared as though an
01:03:37
accelerant had accidentally or intentionally been poured under the front door which provided the Flames a direct path
01:03:44
into the main apartment wow so it's likely that whoever set the fire didn't know that the Doyles had been using the
01:03:50
old coal Cellar as storage and behind that door were a ton of Highly flammable items like tires dry wood stuff like
01:03:59
that which when held under pressure created a way larger and way deadlier explosion than hopefully it wasn't maybe
01:04:07
it was intended yeah right now given Andrew's conflict with the drivers from 50 Isis and the recent escalation and
01:04:13
violence investigators were immediately sus and assumed that the fire was arson and murder yeah with no time to waste
01:04:21
they set up an incident room at the nearby Easter house station and they were ready to go holy [ __ ] so this case
01:04:27
was assigned to detective superintendent Norman Walker he was a veteran of the police force he'd been on the job more
01:04:32
than 30 years well now despite having been told about the feud between the ice cream van drivers he didn't really have
01:04:39
any concrete leads he didn't really have any evidence because everything was burned in the fire so he was just didn't
01:04:45
really have much to go he's just going off of what people are saying yeah so he's going door to door in rukasi and a
01:04:50
few neighbors in rukasi reported seeing three or four boys in the area shortly before the fire and another had seen
01:04:56
three teenagers buying a can of gasoline a little after midnight on the night of
01:05:01
the fire so Walker finally got his first concrete lead when he interviewed a neighbor by the name of Reginald Rankin
01:05:08
now the fact that he didn't just like run with this is insane because this man tells him everything he needs but the
01:05:15
detective is like okay sounds good and why would she listen to a man named Reginald Rankin it's your it's you have
01:05:22
to I'd be like tell me everything it's an Unwritten rule that if your name is Reginald Rankin everyone has to do what
01:05:28
you say and you're gonna tell the truth tell me might prophesies to me tell me my future please I'll believe you Mr
01:05:33
Rankin 100 let's go so that lead like I just said would be ignored for years that's good this lead that I'm about to
01:05:40
tell you according to Rankin he and a friend had been driving and I literally can't believe this has been ignored wait
01:05:45
you're gonna get so mad he and a friend had been driving back to his apartment in Ru Casey and the early
01:05:50
morning hours of April 16th and he said as he turned the corner into the apartment complex he was hit on the
01:05:57
front corner of his car by a red Ford Escort seemingly racing away from the estate
01:06:03
so that's pretty pretty damning only gets worse he described the other driver as a man in his late 20s early 30s with
01:06:10
quote Fair Street shoulder shoulder length hair of a slim build and wearing blue denims a denim jacket and a
01:06:17
yellowish t-shirt Rankin also told the interviewing officers that the man was short about five six and had a scar on
01:06:24
his cheek him just to the right of his nose like literally he's from everything this is like a really detailed
01:06:29
description now when Rankin got out of the car to confront the driver who had just all hit him two other men got out
01:06:35
of the car and all three of them ran off and just left the car okay guys so he checks inside the car
01:06:43
he's like what the [ __ ] is going on here and notices a gas can in the back seat
01:06:47
along with a strong smell of gas we're real we're just ignoring this no he didn't report the incident initially or
01:06:54
the accident because he didn't have a license or insurance and he was like you know what I think we're just gonna let
01:06:59
this go I'm going to re-up that and then I'll let them know he didn't know about
01:07:03
the fire yet either yeah but he came forward once he knew of the fire and the deaths of the doyle family so after
01:07:09
telling the story to the officers who were literally going door to door for leads he expected to hear from them
01:07:14
sooner or later yeah no one ever contacted him to follow this up guys like y'all how does this [ __ ]
01:07:24
happen that's what I want to know like shitty detective work yeah you've been on the force 30 years and this tip was
01:07:30
just literally like neatly wrapped in a bowl and tossed or in a bow and tossed onto your lap in a fancy under a fancy
01:07:37
cloche and they were just like voila here it is here you go sir and they're like no I don't want that I'm gonna make
01:07:43
my own why would I do that why so searching for any lead in the case or maybe not uh or maybe not maybe not
01:07:49
perhaps not detective superintendent Walker started interviewing the men being held at uh barley prison sea Hall
01:07:56
which was a holding area for prisoners awaiting trial now it was in this sea Hall that they encountered a man named
01:08:03
Billy Love he was a thief and he was awaiting trial for armed robbery yeah he was yeah Billy Love was absolutely and
01:08:10
he was there along with his accomplices Ronald Carlton and John Campbell so love
01:08:15
told Walker that he had information about the doyle family murders but if he was going to give that
01:08:22
information he wanted to be let out of prison of course he has something to gain he's going to give you of course I
01:08:27
don't think he's going to give it up for free uh in my personal opinion nothing of that he told them is real yeah I mean
01:08:34
he's he's got every reason to lie about it exactly and you know who doesn't [ __ ] Reginald Reginald was just going
01:08:40
about his business Reginald has every reason to lie and exactly he's like he's like I know I was gonna get in trouble
01:08:46
here but like people died so like I found that out and I was like I gotta say something I gotta say something they
01:08:51
were like no not interested believe Reginald Rankin okay Justice for Reginald Rankin no none of it so Walker
01:08:58
Returns on May 8th with a promise of Baal for love and love gives a short version of this story that he says here
01:09:06
we're just we're going with the criminal instead of the random witness yeah yeah
01:09:10
so according to Billy Love he had been the driver of the red Volvo spotted on the night of Andrew Doyle's van uh the
01:09:16
night that it had been shot up he claimed that it was his accomplice Thomas tamby Gray who pulled the trigger
01:09:23
now love claimed that the two had been paid by Tommy Campbell's brother-in-law Thomas Lafferty to destroy Doyle's van
01:09:29
that very well could have been the truth because Thomas Lafferty was always giving people money to do better of
01:09:34
course and Billy Love was like you know Billy Love yeah he was all about that I believe maybe Billy love was there that
01:09:40
night and like shot at the van yeah I don't know about the rest yeah so he adds that a few weeks later he was in
01:09:46
the netherfield bar and he overheard Tommy Campbell Thomas Gray Joseph Steele and a few other men that he didn't know
01:09:52
talking about setting fire to the Doyle's front door quote just to give the hymn a fright okay I don't know if
01:10:00
you're like um really big on organized crime that you're going to be talking about it
01:10:06
where people can hear you talk about yeah where people can go warn the person that you're talking about just sliding
01:10:12
their door on fire in a random bar yeah I don't know maybe who knows his story seemed a little too easy too good to be
01:10:18
true yeah but it fit a narrative that had begun to take shape in the local press oh yeah it's always good when you
01:10:25
come up with the story before you have any evidence that's that's fine work fine investigatory work just wait so the
01:10:33
Press they were chasing down and Publishing any and all information they could on the doyle family murders
01:10:37
regardless of fact or accuracy they didn't give a [ __ ] according to Douglas Skelton it's skeleton I don't know why
01:10:44
I'm saying it weird the tabloids quote we're talking about the infiltration of the ice cream trade by gangsters often
01:10:51
citing unnamed sources so not only did Billy Love's story fit the narrative quite nicely it also
01:11:01
implicated a number of local Petty thugs quote unquote like Tommy Campbell and Thomas Lafferty who were well known to
01:11:08
be involved in the feud between the Marquette and 50s ice drivers and the police wanted them off the street of
01:11:14
course it fits for everyone yeah now the information from Love Led Walker to 23 year old criminal Joseph Granger who was
01:11:22
an occasional associate of Tommy Campbell now on April 23rd so this is before uh detective Walker gets the information
01:11:30
from love okay before he gets this whole story Granger gave police a detailed nine page statement in which he confirms
01:11:40
his association with Tommy Campbell and acknowledges Campbell's role in the ice cream van Feud but explicitly denied
01:11:46
having been in the netherfield bar having participated in any conversations about setting fire to the Doyle's front
01:11:52
door or knowing anything about the murder of the doyle family now his statement was critically
01:11:58
important because among other things he denied having participated in the conversation at the netherfield bar more
01:12:05
than a week before Walker supposedly got that tip from Billy Love huh which raises the question why would the
01:12:13
police ask Joseph Granger about his presence in a bar and participation in a conversation that they didn't even know
01:12:19
about yet yeah that's strange how did that work how did that work or was the paperwork just dated incorrectly because
01:12:25
uh you're lying I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know so based on the information provided by Billy
01:12:32
Love and their suspicions of Joseph Granger the police arrested Tommy Campbell Joseph Steele Thomas Gray and
01:12:39
Gary Moore on May 12th for the arson murders of the doyle family damn and nearly two weeks
01:12:45
later detectives re-interviewed Granger during which they claimed he broke down and started to sing like a canary I bet
01:12:52
I'm sure now according to detectives he admitted to his involvement in the fire at the marchetti Brothers Garage which
01:12:59
he was driven to by Campbell and gray he said okay now Granger's statement claims
01:13:05
that they cut a hole through the roof and poured gasoline from a small from small bottles into the garage and then
01:13:10
dropped lit matches and pieces of paper in to catch the gas but interestingly his statement made no
01:13:17
mention of the gas can that was found by investigators outside of the building which at the time was identified as the
01:13:24
can from which the gas was poured huh they're like oh they're like oh you forgot something yeah can you go back in
01:13:31
that story real quick and add that in exactly it's like the Jesse muskelly thing took the words right out of my
01:13:36
mouth whenever exactly what I was about whenever he would like slip up on a detail that they had already created
01:13:41
they'd be like oh did you mean that this entirely opposite thing of what you just
01:13:45
said did you forget that you also did that oh yeah yeah okay okay just go back and say what we said now you said that
01:13:52
this person tied the Rope did you mean that that you actually tied that yeah you did right that's it what you meant
01:13:57
was that like you said you poured it from small bottles but what you meant is like the one that we found outside the
01:14:02
big one and he's like yeah yeah yeah yeah that one they're like yeah absolutely it was that one yeah but the
01:14:07
best part is they didn't even go they didn't even like fix it they were just admitting it yeah whatever okay there
01:14:12
was a can out there who gives you we'll just throw that yeah so fine finally Granger's supposed statement got around
01:14:17
to the night that he and the other men plan to burn Doyle's front door and a week later he recalled the men dropping
01:14:23
him off at home before they left to set the fire so the statements from Granger in love
01:14:28
appeared to be tying up a number of loose ends of unsolved crimes in the East End huh who knew well what luck and
01:14:36
it also helped the police deal with a few Troublesome characters from the neighborhood oh my goodness and their
01:14:41
case was only strengthened by statements made from a number of local teenagers including William Hamilton who I would
01:14:46
literally bet zero dollars I was just gonna say wow what a worthy source of information yeah he confirmed the
01:14:53
accused men's participation in the ice cream van Feud and the attacks on bands and drivers he may be left out the part
01:14:58
where he was completely involved I was gonna say hello Mr Hamilton you have something else to say always so the
01:15:05
detectives also managed to get Joseph Reynolds whose sister was dating Gary Moore at the time of the fire to
01:15:12
identify Campbell and more as having shown up outside his sister's window shortly after the fire had been set so
01:15:18
they're putting them all in like the right places of course so the ice cream Wars in glasgow's East End they were
01:15:23
violent disruptive destructive but for the most part they were confined to a certain area and within a certain social
01:15:31
group and they rarely affected those outside of the marketing 50s firms the murder of the doyle family on the other
01:15:37
hand really represented vaguely defined epidemic of crime that outraged the public and the public demanded that
01:15:45
something be done yeah so pressure is being put on the police yeah and then the tabloids and press only complicate
01:15:52
things further because they're just sensationalizing all these stories of course it's leading to an increase in
01:15:57
Social Anxiety Panic the residents want something to be done but in reality this was a feud between
01:16:04
Petty criminals that played out in a poor area of the city and people outside of the East End rarely ever thought of
01:16:10
this area or visited it that's so wild yeah let's think about it such an isolated area but it sounds like this is
01:16:16
just so massive and so everywhere and leeching into every part of everything yeah but when you really think about it
01:16:24
I'm sure there were most people around that were like what yeah I know nothing it didn't affect them that's confined
01:16:29
there and like we don't yeah like we don't talk about that yeah that's not for us wow it's a class thing yeah and
01:16:34
it's [ __ ] that other people didn't want to get involved you know like and and stop it not gonna imagine continue
01:16:40
it let's get involved so in the wake of the fire though the feud between Petty criminals was born
01:16:47
way out of proportion and dramaticized I don't even think this is yeah I like it
01:16:53
dramatized dramatized dramaticized I think it's true dramatized as though it were a
01:17:00
complicated Mafia conspiracy but under these circumstances the arrest of Campbell and his supposed accomplishment
01:17:06
accomplices served not only to neatly close this high profile case but also as a
01:17:12
demonstration of supposed action from law enforcement to address the growing crime waves yeah now between the
01:17:18
negative public sentiment and basically like hysteria tabloid reporting there was little chance of anybody getting a
01:17:25
fair trial yeah when the case finally made its way to court and that was on September 3rd 1984. Tommy Campbell
01:17:31
Joseph Steele Thomas Gray and Gary Moore all of them had maintained their innocence since their arrests but in a
01:17:38
case involving the murder of a family which also included a baby it's really unlikely that anybody gave a [ __ ] about
01:17:44
what they were saying no no also charged at the same time were George Reed uh because Tommy Campbell had purchased his
01:17:51
first fan from him oh yeah and John Campbell those charges actually would be dismissed not long after the trial
01:17:57
started but it's worth mentioning that they were uh players in the beginning of this now in total there were 16 charges
01:18:04
ranging from intent to intimidate and disorderly conduct product to arson and murder
01:18:09
the trial was six weeks long and the Crown's lead prosecutor Michael Bruce painted a picture of basically a mafia
01:18:17
style campaign of intimidation against Andrew Doyle and all the other marchetti drivers which was led by Tommy Campbell
01:18:23
he's the frontman now through the testimony from literally hundreds of witnesses Bruce presented a
01:18:30
condensed timeline that started with Agnes Lafferty and Andrew Doyle's beginning the uh
01:18:37
[ __ ] autocorrect told them gartham Locker the Gotham lock in the fall of 1983. it set off a pattern escalating
01:18:44
violence against Marquette drivers but Doyle in particular which then led to the murder of those six members of his
01:18:52
family on April 16 1984. so on paper the case against all these men definitely seemed like a slam dog yeah thanks to
01:19:00
the press the public had already formed opinions of all these guys and their guilt or their innocence guilt guilt so
01:19:07
all Bruce really had to do was reinforce what they thought they already knew support the narrative with evidence and
01:19:12
statements to the police but the problem was that a lot of the prosecution's case was built on
01:19:18
criminals and other unsavory characters making accusations and claims against other criminals and unsavory characters
01:19:25
that's the thing and somebody said she said yeah for instance during an interview with detectives Agnes
01:19:31
Lafferty's daughter Carol told us Carol Harold Carol her name was Carol she told
01:19:37
the police that she had seen Joe Steele quote carrying a big gun about two feet long in the days before Andrew Doyle's
01:19:44
van was shot up now she said that like before the trial started she said as much on the stand when she was called by
01:19:51
Bruce to testify but then she was cross-examined by Steele's lawyer Donald Findlay and she admitted quote she did
01:19:59
not know very much at all because she was always full of drugs oh all right like she literally said that yeah I'm
01:20:04
just always full of drugs she was like I don't actually know if I saw that because uh I'm always full of drugs so I
01:20:10
probably didn't see that just just the wording of that yes pretty iconic now similarly other witness another witness
01:20:16
for the crown Gordon Ness testified that he steal and John Campbell were paid to
01:20:21
harass the Marquette vans in the fall of 1983 and that the three of them frequently traveled together in rukazi
01:20:27
looking for their targets now like Carol Lafferty Ness also struggled with addiction and he later said that he'd
01:20:35
been using heavily at the time and actually had trouble remembering the specifics of his previous statement ah
01:20:40
so not great Witnesses not great now a few days under the trial the prosecution's case took several more
01:20:47
hits when key Witnesses changed their stories flat out rejected their previous statements to the police all of the
01:20:54
above Tony capuano who the police claimed had admitted to being present during the first attack on Irene
01:21:00
Mitchell's van he testified that he had actually never admitted to such things so the police were lying they're just
01:21:06
straight up lying he said he was never present for the attacks he was set up by the investigating officers oh the same
01:21:12
thing same thing in the case of Joseph Granger who like was singing like a canary about everything and had a story
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that made no sense because things hadn't even happened yet that he was talking about
01:21:24
his statement was the one that all of these arrests were really largely based on but he denied ever admitting anything
01:21:31
to the police he told the jury I swear by my mother's life that I had [ __ ] all
01:21:36
to do with that fire wow yeah all right what a statement I swear in my mother's life that I had [ __ ] all to do with that
01:21:44
mother wow or that fire excuse me damn now like Hamilton had done on the stand before him Granger testified that he'd
01:21:51
never given the incriminating statements to the police all he did was sign them after having been threatened and bullied
01:21:57
and in addition to those threats he claimed that the officers quote pulled his hair jostled him kicked him in The
01:22:04
Shins and assaulted him even more prior prior to him agreeing to sign statements
01:22:08
M which like I believe I believe I definitely believe that so the prosecution really wasn't like living
01:22:15
their best life no definitely not and then they were dealt another blow on the seventh day of trial when another key
01:22:21
witness Billy Love now detective superintendent Walker's case had been built pretty largely also
01:22:32
on statements from love who told a similar story when he was when he was questioned by Bruce Underoath but then
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he was questioned by Lafferty's Attorney John Smith and his story started to change
01:22:44
he had testified that there had been no inducements or promises made by the prosecution or investigators in exchange
01:22:51
for his testimony but when Smith pushed back love replied I was told I probably would not be charged
01:22:58
wow Hello whoa so he literally told them everything they wanted to hear just so he could get out of jail and then he was
01:23:06
like no that's not what happened and then he gets a little pushback and he's like yeah that's exactly what happened
01:23:11
yeah that's actually exactly it so the more and more they pushed him the more his story unraveled and his truthfulness
01:23:17
ended up being called into question but since all and since all these men were being tried together love was subjected
01:23:23
to cross-examination from every defense attorney damn yeah one was poking additional holes in his story the other
01:23:31
was poking more holes oh man kept going until Tommy Campbell's attorney Donald McCauley finally suggested that Billy
01:23:39
Love had been lying all along and had simply gone along with the information that he was being fed by the detectives
01:23:45
in order to get himself out of jail boom so in their closing arguments the defense attorneys for the accused men
01:23:52
rested their cases reminded the jury that the case against their clients was basically all on speculation and
01:23:59
supposed statements from people who Underoath fully denied giving those questions like come on it was a
01:24:05
compelling argument and it was backed up by the seriously limited physical evidence and testimony given on stand
01:24:12
during the trial but it was also an argument that was easily undermined by the by the
01:24:17
prosecution who told the jury quote it is only if you accept the evidence of the accused that you could agree with
01:24:24
the defense's submission so the judge in the case Lord Ken Craig oh I just love I'm loving all of this
01:24:30
Lord King Craig all these names he had similar closing remarks for the jury he said of the defense's argument that the
01:24:36
jury would have to accept quote not one or two or four but a large number of detectives had deliberately come here to
01:24:43
perjure themselves to build up a false case against an accused person whoa yeah wild Lord so what do you what do you
01:24:50
think will happen here do you think they're going to get off or do you think they're gonna get convicted I'm not
01:24:54
looking um I'm covering anything she's covering the screen I don't think I still think they're
01:25:00
gonna get convicted you do yeah okay because I think there's like a greater plan
01:25:05
at work here correct oh I am on October 9th 1984 the jury retired to begin with their deliberations and that spilled
01:25:12
over into the following day and then the following day they finally come back with their verdict
01:25:17
Thomas Campbell found guilty of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment yeah with the possibility excuse me with the
01:25:24
recommendation that he served 20 years wow he was also found guilty of the shotgun attacked on on Andrew Doyle
01:25:30
prior to the fire and sentenced to years in prison to be served concurrently with
01:25:35
his previous sentence holy [ __ ] uh Joseph Steele was found guilty of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment also
01:25:42
found guilty of conspiracy to assault a van driver and a vandalizing the Marquette Vans and he was sentenced to
01:25:48
six years and one year respectively to be served concurrently I feel like they should all be charged with conspiracy to
01:25:56
like commit an act of violence against a van driver 100 like shouldn't they all just get slapped with that immediately
01:26:01
like all of them across the board you would think yeah but not all of them were Thomas Gray was found guilty of the
01:26:07
attempted murder of Andrew Doyle in the shotgun attack and he was sentenced to 14 years in prison Thomas Lafferty was
01:26:13
convicted of conspiracy to commit murder for the shotgun attack on Andrew Doyle sentence sentenced to three years
01:26:20
imprisonment George Reed was convicted on a lot of lesser charges including a knife assault on a driver vandalism
01:26:27
stuff like that he was sentenced to three years and John Campbell was convicted of vandalism conspiracy to
01:26:34
commit murder for the shotgun attack and he received a sentence of one in three years respectively to be served
01:26:40
concurrently damn yeah so all in all Thomas Campbell and Joseph Steele and really Thomas Gray got like the heaviest
01:26:48
sentences but definitely Thomas Campbell and Joseph Steele wow got like really intense sentences so in the end the
01:26:56
verdicts really had little to do with evidence and testimony presented at trial and really everything to do with
01:27:02
the reputations of the accused and what they represented to society each of the six accused in the case all
01:27:08
of them were Violent Men they had extensive criminal histories and they were young too so it was like really
01:27:14
yeah it spoke to other characters for Joseph Steele criminality was just a way of life it was actually handed down
01:27:22
to him by his older brothers and their father it was kind of just like the family's way of life you know
01:27:27
yeah now Reggie McKay who wrote a book with Tommy Campbell acknowledged the past he actually referred to Joseph
01:27:33
Steele as quote a low-life crook who would Rob your granny's meter damn but he said he's always believed that
01:27:39
the men were innocent victims of a police conspiracy to close a high-profile case wow I kind of believe
01:27:45
that too yeah I think possibly some of them were involved in this but I'm like I don't know if I
01:27:51
don't think it all adds up to what they said not all of it yeah so in simple terms these were Bad Dudes who committed
01:27:58
countless acts of violence and brutality but a lot of people doubted whether or not they were were responsible for the
01:28:04
doyle Family Matters over the years Thomas Campbell and Joseph Steele did their best to keep attention on the case
01:28:10
and tried to get the ruling overturned uh Steele actually escaped from barely prison multiple times damn one time he
01:28:18
escaped he made it to Buckingham Palace and super glued himself to the gates I'm
01:28:24
literally obsessed with that fact same that is the most unhinged [ __ ] I have ever heard
01:28:31
certainly is super glued himself to the gates of Buckingham Palace but was ultimately returned to prison oh oh he
01:28:39
was yeah that didn't work for him it was like he's not still there super glued to
01:28:43
Buckingham Palace no sorry wow super glue I'm like where'd you get super glue and what did you do just like smear it
01:28:51
all over and then just stick yourself on there I know I wonder if he put it like
01:28:54
on his clothes first did he put it on the bars first what came first let's ask him the bar or the clothes I don't know
01:29:00
wow now the two of them also filed numerous appeals and they were actually allowed out on bail in December of 1996.
01:29:07
wow while the appeals court reconsidered their case following Bill loves 1992 confession that uh he had lied to the
01:29:14
detectives in 1984. shocked yeah he said he quote invented a conversation between
01:29:19
Campbell and Steele and allowed them to take the blame for his own action and shooting at a van windscreen there you
01:29:26
go so he was is the one who shot he was actually the one and he's like I just want somebody else yeah exactly nice
01:29:31
Philly love so the Court of Criminal Appeals in Edinburgh and they reviewed the case and they actually upheld the
01:29:37
initial ruling saying there had been quote no reasonable explanation as to why a key witness who now claims he lied
01:29:43
during the original trial has changed his mind um guilt yeah I was gonna say but then
01:29:49
the case was appealed again in 2004 after having been selected for review by Scotland's criminal cases review
01:29:56
commission which is quote a body set up to examine alleged miscarriages of Justice which I believe this was the
01:30:03
case was chosen when Brian Clifford who's a professional professor of psychology at the University of East
01:30:08
London he was chosen to review the evidence and he discovered quote a statement said to have been made by Mr
01:30:15
Campbell to police after his arrest was written in the notebook of all notebooks
01:30:20
of all four officers with a high degree of similarity wow so that meant four officers sat there and wrote a fake ass
01:30:29
statement in their notebooks and they were like we'll just say that this is Tommy Campbell's statement my God why
01:30:34
would you all write down his statement together so [ __ ] up no so Clifford concluded that it would have been highly
01:30:39
unlikely that all four of them would have been able to recall that statement with the same level of detail yeah which
01:30:45
led him to believe that at least in this one instance a statement had been fabric
01:30:49
yeah which if one statement has been fabricated there's more exactly pull the string the whole sweater will unravel so
01:30:57
he reviews the entire case and the commission determined that officers never had probable cause to arrest or
01:31:02
sufficient evidence to convict Campbell or Steele damn and the conviction was overruled which allowed both of them to
01:31:09
go first oh [ __ ] in 2004. in 2004 was overturned Tommy Campbell actually died from natural causes in June of 2019
01:31:16
though oh damn yeah and as of now the murder of the doyle family remains unsolved but it is considered an open
01:31:23
matter wow and that is the case of glasgow's ice cream war ice cream van Wars just
01:31:32
wow I did not see I did not foresee all of that no one did I did not no one did I didn't know what
01:31:41
I foresaw but I did not foresee that and how sad is it that like an entire family
01:31:46
family was brutally brutally killed for an ice cream root yeah like an ice cream
01:31:53
Roots it's just so somebody else could make better money that's horrific it's so sad and I think whoever went there
01:31:59
that day and did do that I don't think they intended to kill that family it does sound like that is like and that
01:32:06
must be like a thing like you light the door on fire right kind of thing and it just seems like it was just bad and it
01:32:12
was the door next to their front door so I think it was supposed to be like a scare tactic yeah like I let your door
01:32:17
on fire exactly [ __ ] with me but like maybe don't light things like doors on fire yeah I was gonna say no that's bad
01:32:23
like don't intimidate people because that's also against the law and it's like of course it's a [ __ ] house if
01:32:29
you light the door on fire the whole thing might go up you idiots but it's like I do from the sounds of all of it
01:32:35
and I would hope this would be the case that that was all that was intended was intimidation and lighting that door on
01:32:41
fire right but wow what a terrible tragedy that followed seriously and it's like who did it I know who the [ __ ] did
01:32:48
it I don't know and maybe they did do it yeah and all of them did do it but it was just that the police didn't go about
01:32:54
the investigation yeah they didn't correctly you know who's to say the evidence to prove it Beyond A Reasonable
01:33:00
Doubt who's to say wow but that's the case of the Glasgow ice cream Wars what a tail not food networking at all not at
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