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Hey weirdos. Right now I'm recording because Mikey won't let me watch weapons. And I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. Are
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we gonna use that? >> Yeah. >> All right. And this is morbid. >> This is hor. >> Here's the thing. I'm super excited to
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record and tell you a story, but I also am apparently very late to the game, but
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I want to see weapons. Um, I also want to see it. So >> Oh, you're late to the game, too.
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>> Um, I'm late as well. So, but you know what? We do I do have a very interesting
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story for you today. >> Do you? >> Um, and we'll get into it in a minute. It's spooky season and we usually, you
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know, we say this all the time. We usually do spooky stuff. We do hauntings. We do all that kind of stuff.
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But we wanted to make sure we gave you some true crime as well. True crime because it's important. You know, it's
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part of our it's part of our shtick. >> It's part of our lore. Um, and this this
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actually >> this actually >> actually this story is it's true crime very much. Um, but it is
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fascinating. >> I watched a movie. >> I don't know how to describe it. >> I need to look up the movie cuz I saw
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this I want to say I saw this on like Christmas day. >> Yeah, cuz we're I'm going to be talking
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about the kidnapping of J. Paul Getty III. >> J Paul Jean Paul Getty. Uh, it is wild. Like it's just a wild story when
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you halfway through it you're like really like this is how it goes. It's crazy. >> It is a crazy story. I saw all the money
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in the world. >> Yeah, cuz that's basically like his grandfather is like the richest man in
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the world. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> it was a really good movie. I wonder I didn't really know a lot about the
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actual case like before watching the movie. So I do wonder how much of it >> is uh pretty true. It's probably mostly
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true because the story itself sounds fake. >> I remember it was a really good movie,
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but I was also like, damn, this is really sad. >> Did this happen? It's really >> Christmas on Christmas.
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>> What the [ __ ] >> I might have I used to love Me and my friend Me and one of my old friends used
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to love going to the movies like on Christmas night. >> Oh yeah, >> after we celebrated. Yeah.
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>> Um >> it was right around Christmas. It was December 8th. >> Oh, look at that. Didn't we see the
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purge on like Christmas? Oh, we saw the the Purge on my birthday once. >> It was on your birthday. Okay. I didn't
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know if it was my birthday or >> That was awesome. >> Yeah, that was great. >> I think we saw the original Purge, too.
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>> We did. Yeah. >> I remember we both had a lot of anxiety in the theater. >> Yes,
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>> cuz we were like, "What if they purged the theater? What if what if the purge
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happens while we're here?" >> Um, no, I loved the original Purge. That's like a underrated banger. I think
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it actually is. >> I mean, I don't know how underrated it is, but I feel like now it is.
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>> No, I I agree with you. We should cover that. We haven't covered that on screen.
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No, The Purge is a little too real for me these days. >> Yeah, I feel like they >> I think we're only like We could We
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could do No, we could totally do. It'll give me so much anxiety. >> Yeah, I mean, it's supposed to.
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>> But it's a great movie. I want that thing where he presses the button and the thing comes down over his house.
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>> Yeah, that's pretty sick. >> Where do Who do you call for that? >> You call Ethan Hawk.
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>> Does anybody have his number? >> Uh Joe Hill does. >> Okay, we're a few degrees away. Joe.
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>> Joe. >> Steven. Joe, you're obviously listening. >> Joe, Steve, >> I really want to see. I know. We're
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We're just doing our banter first. >> No, people I have to tell you, people have been loving the banter.
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>> Oh, good. I'm glad you guys are loving it cuz I I have like an an initial reaction is always like I'm sorry I'm
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getting to it. >> Don't vlog me. >> No. Uh I've seen so many I know it's not like for everybody, but also it's what
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it's what we originated with. It's our roots. >> It's in our DNA. >> Banter is our roots. Yeah, we got
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>> So, what were you going to say? >> Uh, I want to see I So, the Black Phone >> I want to see that so badly.
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>> Yeah, I want to see I haven't seen the original one. And the only reason I haven't seen the original one cuz I
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really like Joe Hill. He's Stephen King's son. Uh, and he's in his own right. He's a really great writer in my
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opinion. >> Oh, did he write the the Black Phone? Yeah. >> Oh, I didn't realize that.
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>> That's his original work. >> Oh, sure. >> Um, and he I think he's so good at what
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he does and he came up with this really The Grabber, Ethan Hawk. Yeah, >> scary [ __ ] dude and really scary
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concept and really really cool character >> and the costumeuming so well executed.
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>> I just heard I knew it revolved around kids obviously cuz it's like a kidnapper
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>> and then there there's one scene in the first uh movie that I've been warned about several times
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>> uh with like child abuse. >> Yeah. >> So, I just like stayed away from it just
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because I was like I know I won't be able to sit through that. But now I'm like maybe I can find the minute mark
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and just skip that part >> cuz the black phone 2 looks really [ __ ] cool. >> It all looks good.
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>> And I think they're all like older in it. It's like high school at that point.
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So it's a little easier to like just go along with. >> Yeah. >> And >> I think I'm going to try it. I just got
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to find the minute mark for that one's like child abuse scene, but I >> I'm I'm hoping I can get through it.
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>> Yeah. I think we can't >> I think I can't watch that either. Um I think we should do a movie night and
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watch that. We should just watch like a whole bunch of scary movies all at the same time because I want to watch those
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both of those. And then I really want to watch Weapons >> and Mikey said we can't. I'm just
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kidding. >> Mikey said we have to record first before we watch Weapons, >> which I guess.
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>> And then we have a meeting after that. So I can't watch Weapons today. >> Oh yeah, that's true.
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>> God damn it. >> I forgot we Here's the thing. I love my job. So I'm not going to complain about
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that. >> Can't complain about that. >> But yeah, I do want to see those movies. So I think I'm going to get I'm going to
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try because I've just heard really great things. Let's do it, girl. >> Yeah, let's let's go, girls. Also, we're
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going to a haunted house tomorrow. >> Oh, that's tomorrow night. >> Yeah, girl. >> Yay.
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>> I'm so excited. >> I can't wait. Our first haunted house of the season. It's so late.
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>> Hell yeah. >> So late. We've been so busy with like so many awesome things. >> October has just flown.
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>> Oh my god, it's been crazy. >> I saw somebody say that like it's really shitty that like 2025 has been 45 years
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long, but October has been 17 minutes. Yeah, it really it's been like it's been like 12 minutes of like
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>> it's just it's just not right. >> Maybe the last couple weeks will really like drone on in a good way though.
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>> I hope so. >> I'd like to get through one thing and then I'll be happy >> and then you can just
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>> and then I'll be happy. >> I mean, there's lots of things to be happy about. Lagouna Beach is filming a
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reunion right now. >> Oh my god. >> And really, that's all I need. >> That is going to heal so much of me.
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That's going to heal so many people. Yeah. >> Do you understand the amount of elder
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millennials that are just waiting on this right now? >> Oh my god. And the younger millennials
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who watched it with their elder millennial siblings, >> it transcends. >> Like I watched that I was their age
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while it was happening. So it was like >> I remember it being like this real crazy
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experience to watch. >> Kind of thing. >> Yeah. Me and Debb were talking about it
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cuz we used to be obsessed with that show. >> It was just such a simpler time when you
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could be just team Kristen or team LC, you know. >> I know. That's That's where I want us
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all to be. >> Wouldn't that be so beautiful? >> I want that to be the biggest >> debate of our time, you know?
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>> It's not. >> I would really love for it to be back to that. >> Team Kristen for the
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>> Let's go back back to the beginning. >> Yeah. You know, >> back >> I've been watching old episodes of that
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cuz since the reunion has been, you know, um announced. I couldn't think of the word.
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>> It was announced. Uh I've wanted to go back and to the beginning. >> So good. And I started to watch the
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third season cuz I was like, I really >> want so underrated. >> It's pretty underrated, but I'm like,
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it's not strange. Yeah, it's it's a strange uh choices, I would say, >> or for like
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>> I feel like they went younger with the third season and that didn't really make
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a lot of sense. I think they went back to like following juniors essentially. >> Yeah, I think the follow I think
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following seniors was the way to go. Yeah, I think >> senior year is so rich in >> it's hard to capture
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lightning in a bottle like they did with the original Laguna Beach cast. Like those two um those two classes, the
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juniors and seniors, >> I think you just weren't going to get that again. Like it just it really was
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just lightning in a bottle. So, I don't think anybody was really going to kill it. But it really does
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>> when you watch it does hold its own. >> It's pretty good though. >> I think it was underrated a little bit.
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>> I think so. Uh, >> I watched it once when I was like super sick and I was like, "This is
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everything." >> This is everything. >> Yeah. I highly recommend doing that though. Go back and watch Laguna Beach.
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>> Rocky was such a sweetheart. >> She was. And everybody season. >> Yeah. >> She's an underrated
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>> badass. A hero. She's a literal hero. >> She's a hero. >> That random 16-year-old on the beach.
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>> She's so sweet, you No, she was she was um and the mean girls were so mean to
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her. >> Oh, they were so like jealous. Kendra so mean. Kendra and Cammy I'm calling you
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out. I'm sure you're lovely adults now. We all get over that [ __ ] But like you
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guys were so mean to Rocky. >> Actually, I think Kendra and Cammy have a podcast.
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>> Do they? >> I'm almost sure. Cammy was on Was Cammy the one who um she was on Super Sweet
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16? >> I think she was. I didn't even know that cuz again they were 16. So >> I am so I watched that show and I am so
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[ __ ] I think my lucky stars that a camera crew wasn't following us around. >> I was not on reality television at 16.
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That's the thing. It's like I would really That must suck. >> Oh no. It was also Is her name Kendra or
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Kendra? >> It's Kendra. >> Kendra. >> Like Kendra. They called her >> Kendra. Not Not Kendra. It's spelled
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with a Y. >> They called her Kendra. >> Kendra. Uh, it was her and Taylor that had the podcast together.
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>> Oh, okay. Taylor who? >> Hold on. Who is Taylor now? I don't remember who Taylor is.
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>> Is it Taylor from like the second season? It also must suck. Like I'm thinking of like Kendra right now and
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probably Cammy, too. To have to like answer for your 16-year-old self as an adult. You know what I mean? Like I like
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I joke and be like, "You were so mean to Rocky. You were." But like to have to answer for your 16-year-old self when
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you're an adult cuz I'm sure they have to answer for it all the time. >> And it's like that must suck. So
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hopefully hopefully they're uh they're killing it and being nice people. >> Is this Taylor?
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>> Oh, it's Cammy. I'm so >> I don't know what Taylor now. I don't know. Cammy [ __ ] not Cammy. Cammy was
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on on my super sixe teen. Hello on my super sweet 16. >> My super sick sweet teen.
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>> What did I just say? >> You stopped. You went sweet teen. >> Oh god. >> She was on that show.
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>> I didn't know that actually. >> Yeah, I did. >> That's why I just >> We're nearing the end of the week. Okay.
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But but they have a podcast together. NO. NO. GOD DAMN IT. >> I don't know. We have to move on.
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>> Stop spreading rumors. >> I'm tired of Ruben. I'm tired of starting rumors so many rumors right now.
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>> There's a there's a podcast with people who are on Lagouna Beach. >> There's several
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>> a few of them in fact. Now tell me about John Paul Giddy espresso. >> You know what? Can I make a quick thing?
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Can we just maybe >> I think I need a coffee. >> All right, I'm back and I have caffeine
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in my hand, so I'll stop talking to you about podcasts that I don't know exist and teen sweet 16 shows.
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>> Teen Sweet 16, you know. >> Um, so yeah, >> Nespresso. >> Nespresso. >> I just wanted to say
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>> thank you. She's like, "It might not get better, but I'll stop talking about vodka.
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>> I might just now say espresso." >> You're just holding yours like you're like, "Are you Do you want to cheers?"
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>> Cheers. Nespresso. >> You're so stupid. You were just holding it like so uncomfortably.
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>> I was trying to take a sip, but I didn't want to make a gross sound, so I was
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like, "All right, it's time for us to talk about the actual story." Uh this is the kidnapping of J. Paul Getty III.
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Um and this begins a couple of generations back from the actual kidnapping victim himself.
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>> Okay. >> Um because you need to see where this this whole indifference towards your
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child or grandchild being kidnapped comes from. >> I would love to try to understand if at
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all possible. >> Yeah. You need to at least see like where it all begins. I guess
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indifference to your grandchild. Imagine just being indifferent to your grandchild's kidnapping.
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>> And there is a straight up I know indifference. >> I remember I remember that Christmas
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season. >> Yeah. This is wild. Uh so let's talk about Jean Paul Getty >> the first.
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>> The first he was born December 15th, 1892 in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Uh he is
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not a Capricorn. >> Close. >> So just pointing that out. He's he is not a Capricorn.
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>> Even a little bit worse though, >> he's a Sagittarius, right? Sagittarius can be especially like I love you guys
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but like Sagittarius men are [ __ ] intense. >> Oh boy. >> That's a fiery ass energy.
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>> Damn. >> I need to know his other placements. Of course, we can't just judge based on one
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placement. >> No. And he and he was born to George and Sarah Getty. He ended up obviously he
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ended up being pretty famous for his fortune and the tabloid journalists that obsessed over andounded his family. Um,
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but he was actually a second generation millionaire because George Getty was an attorney for the insurance industry when
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his son was born. But when his investments in the Oklahoma oil industry started paying off during the oil boom
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of 1903, George shifted his attention from law to oil. Obviously, he was like oil,
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>> oil tycoon in the making, >> a tycoon. And within a few years, he'd purchased stakes in several more oil
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wells across Oklahoma. So, he was like, I see where the money is now. Despite their enormous wealth, the Gettys had
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always been very religious and very strict as a family and very frugal because of their religion.
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>> George and Sarah had been raised Methodist, and George's early success in law and in the oil industry only
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strengthened their beliefs because it made them more more devout. Basically, he saw his success in wealth as proof of
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God's favor. >> They probably just had strong Jupiter placements. >> Yeah, you know, there you go. I don't
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know what that means. But >> so in return, he pledged that he would continue to work hard and avoid the
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sinful and immoral ways that many other wealthy people tended to fall into. He was like, I'm going to do this right.
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>> All right. >> Now, the Gettys religious convictions would probably have been strong no
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matter what. But more than the wealth and success, it was definitely the death of their young daughter, Gertrude, from
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typhoid in 1890 that drove them to become even more connected to their faith. >> I mean, that makes sense. I totally get
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it because it's like I'm sure you have to gra grasp on to anything >> some kind of comfort.
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>> Yeah. And especially after they became Christian scientists around the turn of
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the century. You're really going for it. In their newly adopted faith, the Gettys
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viewed the birth of their son, who arrived when Sarah was 40 years old, as yet another sign of God's favor and
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treated him as the heir and for future leader of the industry that he would become. Now since he was looked at by
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the fam as the second coming basically uh you would assume that Paul the son as he'd become known would have been like
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lavished with attention get a lot of excess he would be spoiled >> but not in this family. Yeah, the Gettys
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religion forbade this. I mean, they had restricted themselves as well. They were
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very frugal. They did not believe in excess for themselves and they also didn't believe it for their kids.
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>> Uh he was also generally discouraged from playing with other children because
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they were worried about him contracting illnesses because Gertrude had died of typhoid.
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>> That's the thing. You can understand that, but at the same time, that's that becomes a detriment.
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>> Yeah. And they so he spent a lot of his time alone. In fact, instead of causing
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them to become stifling and overly attentive, Sarah and George's um fears of losing their second child had led
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them to actually become more emotionally distant cuz they wanted to avoid potentially reliving the trauma they
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experienced. >> Oh man. >> So, they didn't connect with him. >> It's like even if you don't connect,
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it's going to be a huge bummer if another child of yours dies. Guys, >> it is better to have loved and lost.
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>> Yeah. Like there is nothing to gain from disconnecting from your child. Like there's just nothing to gain from that.
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>> Uh the very different time though. >> Yeah. Oh, absolutely. It's in the 1800s.
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So the isolation and loneliness or early 1900s, but the isolation and loneliness
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that Paul felt in his early life would definitely have a big influence on him until the day he died.
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>> How could it not, you know? >> Yeah. It very much instilled in him a really strong sense of self-reliance and
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what was described as a near pathological independence like he did not want connection.
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>> I mean he didn't learn how to connect. Connection human connection is a learned
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>> and a huge developmental thing that needs to be shown. >> Yeah. Uh, according to author John
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Pearson, later in his life, Getty would tell his wife that quote, "As a child, he was never cuddled, nor did he have a
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birthday party or a Christmas tree." Oh, that brings >> his one great interest was his postage
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stamp collection, and his closest friend was a mongrel dog called Chip. >> Oh, >> yeah. Like sad. Like that's a sad
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childhood. >> That's awful. So yeah, that's really sad that like >> to have no cuddles.
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>> Yeah. No cuddles. And just to know that as a as like an adult, too, to be able
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to be like, I was never cuddled. Like that that void is so tangible when you're older.
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>> Yeah. My mom used to say, "Don't hang on me." >> Oh my god. I can't >> I'm like, "Yeah, I get it.
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>> I cannot imagine." >> Mhm. >> All I want is my kids to cuddle. >> My mom was not a hugger.
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>> Oh my god. >> Not Not a snuggly butt. >> And it's like, you don't need to be a
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hugger of other people. Like I'm not generally a hugger or I'm not a touchy person.
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>> You're so smooshy with your kids. >> Like I am not I don't like to be touched.
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>> Me and Elena hug like twice a year. >> Literally I'm not a toucher. I'm not a
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hugger. When my kids are in the room I'm like cuddle me like I just want to smush
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them all the time. Like they're probably like get away from me. >> Well, and the I mean I got it from other
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sources. Like ma is the most cuddly butt ever. She's >> cancer is a is a cuddle butt. But uh for
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him to have nobody in his life, like birthday parties, no Christmas tree, just like no like
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>> just no like childhood things, it's like really sad. >> It is. >> And then no friends
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>> and no celebrations at like not even nobody cuddling him directly or celebrating him, but like no celebration
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of anything else. >> Yeah, that's the thing. Like just nothing to be happy about his postage
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collection. >> Yeah, that's sweet. I love that. >> I know. Now, when the oil wells began
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paying off in Oklahoma, George Getty, now officially a millionaire, moved the family to Los Angeles, where Paul was
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enrolled in the prestigious Harvard Military Academy in 1906. Now, the school had a sterling reputation for
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academics and producing very academically strong young men like that, clearly probably at a cost. But George
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didn't want intend for this to be like, you know, preparation for anything. uh he was kind of trying to punish his son
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here. By the time he had reached his teens, Paul had become kind of defiant and willful because I mean childhood uh
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he was explicitly defying his father whenever George tried to you know impose any kind of will on him.
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>> Well, maybe you should have hugged him. >> But no matter what it was intended to
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be, Paul met the challenge headon and proved himself to be very smart and a very excellent student, especially in
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literature and languages. He was very uh proficient in that. Whether at home or at school, he could be found with his
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face in a book. Like he was a book guy. He was Rory Gilmore essentially. >> I love that.
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>> And by the time he finished high school, he had become fluent in French, German,
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and Italian. >> That's insane. >> And he was conversational in several other languages,
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>> which is a whole different ball game. >> Oh, yeah. His proficiency with languages, in addition to his strong
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grades, gained him admittance to the University of Southern California, Los Angeles. And then he did a short stint
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at the University of California, Berkeley, where he briefly studied law. >> Wow. Now, after just one year at two
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different universities, it became pretty apparent that no matter how smart he was, he just wasn't interested in
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pursuing a degree. Yeah. He got in. He didn't really want to do anything. Instead, he returned home to his parents
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house where his mother somehow succeeded in convincing George, his dad, to allow
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their son to have a private entrance to his quarters equipped with a lock. >> That's cool. Uh, this was a compromise
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on Sarah's part because honestly, she would rather give him privacy and independence instead of see him move out
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on his own. So, she was like, "We got to get >> at least he's near us." >> Yeah. Like, at least we can try to see
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what's happening. If it was intended to make him want to be more responsible, it
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very much backfired. Within a few months, he was throwing parties regularly, returning home in the middle
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of the night with several girls, >> regularly quote unquote borrowing his father's car without asking.
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>> And to his very deeply religious parents, his behavior wasn't just irritating or disrespectful. It was
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downright sinful. >> Oh, no. He's a s >> not good. Now, despite the tensions between them, Paul did agree to
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accompany his parents to Europe in 1910, which like, wow, of course he did. >> And eventually, he did enroll at Oxford
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University. And he graduated with a degree in uh economics in 1913. >> That's impressive.
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>> After graduating, he spent several months traveling around Europe and then came home in 1914 where he was given
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$10,000 by his father to invest in the family's oil holdings in Oklahoma. >> Oh, all right. The next year, the
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investment paid off and at just 23 years old, J. Paul Getty was a millionaire. >> Damn.
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>> Investing is crazy. >> It's It goes crazy. >> Investing doesn't make any [ __ ] sense
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to me, but it works out, man. >> I guess it works out. >> Now, if the world ever knew anything
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about Jay Paul Getty, it was that he had a knack for making money, and he held on
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to that wealth tighter than any man alive. But just behind that very obvious fact, Getty was also widely known to be
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a womanizer. He ended up marrying five times. Damn. >> And he carried on extrammarital affairs
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with countless women. >> Uh that feels like it was rooted in a in a loveless childhood.
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>> Yeah. He doesn't connect anyone. >> Yeah. >> And it seems like he maybe is trying to,
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but doesn't quite get how to. >> I don't even think he's trying to. I think he has no interest in it.
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>> Yeah. That's >> I think he was taught to have no interest in it. Yeah. In 1923, when he
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was 31 years old, he married 17-year-old Janette Dumont. >> That's no good. >> In a secret ceremony in Mexico. I bet I
00:23:27
wonder why it was secret. >> I bet it was secret in Mexico. >> Yeah. The next year, she gave birth to a
00:23:31
child, George. But less than two years later, the marriage fell apart and they divorced in 1926. Dang.
00:23:37
>> Two years later, Paul married again. This time to um a German woman named Aduline Helm uh Helmley. That's a pretty
00:23:45
>> in another secret ceremony. >> Was she also a minor? >> I don't know how she was. The next year
00:23:49
she gave birth to a child a child Jean. >> Unfortunately, like the first marriage, after the birth
00:23:55
of their child, Paul's interest in his wife and family waned very quickly and by 1932 they divorced and Adelfine
00:24:02
returned to Germany taking Jean with her. I mean, it feels like it was an inevitable result of his isolated
00:24:09
upbringing, like we were talking about. But his relationships with his first two
00:24:12
wives definitely became a pattern throughout his life. Uh, by all accounts, he had an interest in younger
00:24:18
women and whether they were wives or girlfriends, he pretty much lost interest in them after like a couple
00:24:24
years at most >> because they got older. >> Even more unfortunately though, he lost
00:24:28
interest in his kids very quickly. >> That's [ __ ] up. Uh John Peterson wrote, we um cited him in in our uh our
00:24:35
show notes there. He said, "Far from approaching parenthood with joy, Paul bucked away and like the spoiled only
00:24:41
child he was made angry efforts to escape. >> More than anything else, he valued his
00:24:46
freedom and to him wives and children complicated that freedom, which I have such a good solution for that. Don't get
00:24:53
marriedre. >> Yep. >> Perfect. >> So >> just walk. There you go. >> There you go. Uh but when he did
00:25:00
inevitably lose interest in his wives and children, he also made no efforts to hide those feelings. According to those
00:25:06
who knew him intimately, he was often physically and verbally abusive to the women in his life.
00:25:11
>> In the courtroom during one of his divorce proceedings, uh from his first wife, Janette, he screamed at her, "I'm
00:25:18
sick and tired of you and sick and tired of being married." Yelled at her across
00:25:22
the court. If there's a single incident in the family life of J Paul Getty that showed
00:25:41
his attitude towards his family, especially how indifferent he is to them, it's found in his final marriage.
00:25:48
In 1939, he married Louise Teddy Lynch, uh, the woman that he would actually stay married to for nearly 20 years.
00:25:55
>> Wow. I wonder what was different. >> The final wife. >> In 1946, she gave birth to Getty's fifth
00:26:01
child, Timothy. And Timothy suffered from multiple illnesses almost since birth. In his diaries, Paul referred to
00:26:08
the boy as quote, "Poor poor Timmy and sad little Timmy." Yet, he was like completely incapable of forming like a
00:26:15
bond with him. >> Yeah. and he didn't even spend any quality time with him. When he was 6
00:26:20
years old, Timothy developed a brain tumor and it blinded him soon after and required immediate treatment. Paul
00:26:27
arranged for treatment with the best specialists at New in New York and covered the cost to fly the mother and
00:26:32
son across the country, >> which he should have. >> He did not go with them. He promised to
00:26:36
come visit. He never did. >> His six-year-old son is getting brain surgery. >> He's not there. Worse were the letters
00:26:43
he sent to her during this time chastising her for the money she was spending on their son's medical care.
00:26:50
What he literally wrote in one, I'm glad that you realized the expenses are enormous. You should always, if there is
00:26:56
time, and there was in this case, have an agreement in advance. Some doctors like to charge a rich person 20 times
00:27:02
more than their regular fee. >> It's like, yeah, um, he has a brain tumor, so I don't think she's got time
00:27:08
to send you a [ __ ] letter for clearance for every treatment. And you're a multi-millionaire.
00:27:12
>> Yeah. Like this. >> I would spend anything to take to like if my child needed treatment, medical
00:27:17
treatment. Yeah. >> Why are you questioning it? >> That's absurd and disgusting.
00:27:22
>> And what's even worse, Timothy died in 1958 at age 12. >> Oh. >> While Paul was away in Europe, he sent
00:27:29
his condolences but did not attend attend his child's funeral. >> I'm sorry. You said he sent his
00:27:35
condolences. >> Yes. Sorry to hear about it. >> Sorry to hear about the death of my
00:27:39
child. Shouldn't shock you that uh Teddy, his wife, divorced him a short time after.
00:27:43
>> I would think so. >> Like completely indifferent. >> Sent his condolences is crazy.
00:27:50
>> Now, although the example of Timothy's tragic death is the most obvious example
00:27:55
of Getty's cruelty and abuse, even to those closest to him, it's far from the only one.
00:28:00
>> Um, in fact, his life is full of examples of like shockingly selfish behavior, violent relationships,
00:28:07
indifference to the pain of others. He was just not a nice person. >> Sounds like he has a personality
00:28:12
disorder. >> Each marriage ended badly and was always immediately followed by a new wife,
00:28:17
usually the one he had been seeing before the previous marriage ended, >> of course.
00:28:20
>> And he would typically agree to pay child support, but he only did so begrudgingly, and he had to have a court
00:28:26
order. >> He wouldn't do it unless there was that. Now, if Getty had affinity for any of
00:28:31
his children, it might have been for John Jr., the first of two children born to his fourth wife, Anne Ror. That's
00:28:39
random that it took him that many kids to to find one he liked. >> Paul and Anne's relationship lasted just
00:28:44
four years and she would go on to remarry and move with her children to San Francisco.
00:28:48
>> And despite the distance and not having seen either of the children in more than
00:28:52
a decade, Paul invited John to Italy in the late 1950s where he offered his son a job as the president of the Italian
00:28:59
subsidiary of Getty Oil. I wonder what he did to >> I don't want to say like earn his love,
00:29:05
but >> I think so. John was married to his wife Gail. >> Okay. >> Um and they had four children. And so
00:29:12
like to Paul, they seemed like a pretty idealic family. They seemed like they had it together. And he seemed like,
00:29:17
"Okay, this is one I can trust to do this." >> Um but that opinion definitely changed
00:29:22
in 1964 when John and Gail divorced. Uh within two years, John had remarried, this time to a Dutch actress to Letha
00:29:31
Pole. She was a socialite and a notorious party girl. >> Oh no. John just left his children with
00:29:37
their mother in Italy. And John >> father like son. >> Exactly. And John and Titha embraced the
00:29:42
counterculture lifestyle and traveled the world together. During this period, they also developed um kind of a
00:29:48
fondness for drugs and drug culture that very much spiraled out of control and resulted in a very intense heroin
00:29:55
addiction. >> Oh, that's sad. >> Now, Paul Getty had his own excesses and didn't judge his son for leaving one
00:30:01
woman for another. Of course. I mean, how good. he had done the same thing at least four or five other times. What he
00:30:07
did object to was the drug use and the hippie lifestyle. >> Um although he may not have participated
00:30:13
a lot in his own parents' religious practices, he maintained their rigid ideals and absences abstinence when it
00:30:21
came to things like drugs. >> I mean they were instilled in him from a very young age
00:30:25
>> and he would not he would not stand by according to him and let his son sully
00:30:29
the family name with public exploits essentially. In the late 1960s, at the height of John and Chalitha's drug
00:30:36
addiction, Paul gave his son an ultimatum. He said, "Check into rehab and get sober or give up your position
00:30:41
at Getty Oil." >> That's fair. >> Which is a pretty valid thing. >> John chose the latter. He gave up his
00:30:47
position. >> And Paul wasted no time removing him from the company and from his life
00:30:52
completely. >> Wow. Gone. >> So, in the years that followed this, John Getty's life unfortunately
00:30:59
continued to spiral out of control. By 1971, he and Titha had separated due largely in part because she wanted to
00:31:07
get sober. Oh, that's great. And he desired to continue living the way he had been for years. Not great.
00:31:12
>> In the summer of 1971, Titha paid a visit to John in Rome, probably to just hash out the details of the divorce. And
00:31:19
on the morning of July 11th, she was found dead in his apartment. >> Oh. From an overdose of alcohol and
00:31:26
barbituates. >> I was not expecting that. There were rumors she'd relapsed and began using
00:31:32
heroin due to his influence. >> Oh, >> she was trying to get sober. >> That's really dark.
00:31:37
>> After her death, John returned to England and slowly started getting sober and pulling his life back together. Uh
00:31:43
but his relationship with his father, Paul, and his children would remain completely irreparably damaged for the
00:31:49
rest of his life. >> I mean, yeah. Uh, so from the outside, anyone looking at the Getty family would
00:31:55
have been understandably pretty envious. Like despite several money, yeah, they had lots of money. Despite the several
00:32:02
failed marriages and remarages, they had that unimaginable amount of money. >> Well, people never pay attention to the
00:32:08
little stuff. They're just like, they have money. They must be so [ __ ] happy. >> Well, they didn't know most of this
00:32:12
stuff. So, it's like, so, and it was really due almost entirely to Paul's single-minded work ethic and notorious
00:32:18
frugality. And at the time, the art collection that would eventually serve as the foundation of the Getty Museum
00:32:24
was one of the largest and most impressive collections in the world. >> But if anyone assumed that because of
00:32:29
all this or you know despite all this they were happy, stable or a bonded family, they were very wrong. It was the
00:32:37
exact opposite. >> By the early 1970s, Paul had written off most of his family either through
00:32:43
divorce, arangement. He was living a totally isolated life in his British manor house um called Sutton Place. Uh
00:32:50
also he'd become very bitter and increasingly paranoid in his later years and even he hired a private security
00:32:56
team to protect him and his property. He was very paranoid. >> Um by then he had completely written off
00:33:02
his son John as what he referred to as a drug addict and a waste of time. Oh, and
00:33:07
according to journalist Julie Miller, he quote, "Had tenuous relationships with his other sons, rotating them in and out
00:33:13
of his will at whim." >> It's very succession. >> Yeah. As for his grandchildren, Paul had
00:33:18
really little to say about them since he rarely interacted with them at all. Uh,
00:33:22
but he still managed to form an opinion. >> One thing about him, I feel like he's
00:33:27
always going to have an opinion. According to John Pearson, Paul held a disapproving view of at least one of his
00:33:32
grandsons, Paul III, uh because he'd quote heard enough about him to believe he was like his father and he wanted
00:33:40
nothing to do with either until they changed their ways. >> So the Paul III that we are speaking
00:33:46
about is the one that gets kidnapped. >> Yes. >> Uh he is the son of John. >> Okay.
00:33:51
>> Just so just to keep that all together, >> which it's like Yeah, of course he's
00:33:54
struggling. His dad abandoned him and moved in Italy. >> Yeah. Like hello. So whether or not Paul
00:33:59
III was like his father was debatable, but it was true that as he entered his mid- teens, he started getting in a lot
00:34:04
of trouble a lot. In 1972, he was expelled from school after painting offensive graffiti in the school's
00:34:10
hallway. >> [ __ ] happens. >> After that, he did seem to be headed in a direction a little similar to his
00:34:15
father, spending a lot of his times doing drugs, partying at trendy Italian nightclubs every single night. um like
00:34:22
so many of the Getty family, it seemed that Paul III was headed for not a great life. Like he was it's not like he was
00:34:29
living off like the millions right now, he was cut off a little bit, right? >> Um and he he was kind of going to a life
00:34:35
like a lot of them did of kind of misery and isolation. And if his grandfather had anything to say about it, he was
00:34:40
going to live a life of poverty as well. He was not going to let him have that money. Of course, if the elder Paul
00:34:46
Getty's money was good for anything, it was controlling the family's image in the minds of the public. Despite all the
00:34:53
turmoil and tabloidesque antics that were happening in Italy, no one seemed to really notice or care, and it really
00:34:59
didn't negatively affect Getty Oil or the development of the museum in Los Angeles. And maybe it's for that reason
00:35:05
that members of Indrangetta, a notorious Italian crime syndicate, identified the
00:35:11
Getty family as pretty good targets for extortion >> because again, they don't know the inner
00:35:16
workings of this family. They see it from the outside. Everyone must have some cash,
00:35:20
>> right? >> No, maybe he cares about his grand [ __ ] hate each other. So, no, they
00:35:25
don't have that. The roots of Indrangetta can be traced loosely back to late 19th century and I'll try to say
00:35:32
this correctly, Calabria um a region of southern Italy where they were mostly kind of like an informal association. It
00:35:40
was like of small criminal circles like they weren't the big crime syndicate they were then. They were committing
00:35:45
petty crimes like little little bit of little a little tad of racketeering every now and a dabble a little dabble
00:35:52
of racketeering. Uh but by the 1960s they had formalized like pretty considerably and they expanded beyond
00:35:59
the borders of Calabria and across the country and started frequently working with Sicilian syndicates on smuggling
00:36:06
and arm stealing. >> Scary among other things. Uh like many of the other mid-century criminal
00:36:12
organizations that were plaguing Italy in the mid, you know, 20th century, Indrangetta's activities ranged from
00:36:18
small-time racketeering, just a dabble, dooya, and drug smuggling to extortion and murder.
00:36:24
>> So got pretty intense during Sopranos. >> Yeah. During the late 1960s, the syndicate success successfully managed
00:36:31
to make a lot of money by kidnapping wealthy foreigners off the streets of Italy and ransoming them back to their
00:36:38
families for large sums of money. >> That's so [ __ ] >> That's real [ __ ] >> Like, yeah, let's just pluck a little
00:36:43
tourist off the street. >> Yeah, this was in the 1960s. Now, by the summer of 1973, Paul III had already
00:36:49
been kicked out of boarding school and was living rentree in a squat with several other artists. Uh, though just a
00:36:56
teenager at the time. He was like 16. >> Yeah. >> He'd already gained a a certain amount
00:37:00
of fame. He was the grandson of the wealthiest man in the world for one. And then he was also gained a lot of fame as
00:37:07
a participant in Rome's artist and political communities. So, he was like pretty active in that. Night after
00:37:12
night, he could definitely be found wandering the street to and from bars and clubs where he was living in the
00:37:18
squat. So when it came time for the members of Indrangetta to find a lucrative new target, their next victim
00:37:24
was pretty easy to find. >> He was always on the street. >> He was just big hanging.
00:37:28
>> Yeah, big hanging. In the early morning hours of July 10th, 1973, 16-year-old
00:37:34
Paul III was wandering home to the apartment. Um he was sharing the apartment with two other artists in the
00:37:40
um Trade Deavir neighborhood, I believe it is. And that's when an old white Fiat
00:37:46
pulled up beside him. >> Riding in a Fiat. Really got to see it. >> There it is.
00:37:51
>> I had to. >> The driver called out, "Excuse me, are you Paul Getty?" >> No. Always saying no.
00:37:58
>> No, I'm not the richest man in the world, grandson. I'm just >> looked over at the driver and said,
00:38:02
"Yeah, he's Paul Getty." Should have said, "I'm just Ken. I'm just Ken." At which point two men jumped out of the
00:38:08
back of the car, grabbed him and forced him into the back seat and sped away just right off the street. Plucked him
00:38:13
right off the street. >> At the time of the kidnapping, Paul's mother, Gail, you remember Gail?
00:38:18
>> I do. >> Was still holding the family together. >> Oh. >> Her second marriage had ended a few
00:38:23
months earlier, but she maintained an amazing relationship with all of her children. And although he'd moved out,
00:38:28
she still saw Paul almost daily, >> usually to bring him food or little sums of money. Her biggest problems were
00:38:36
almost all financial. Her ex-husband Paul Jr. was required to send child support on a monthly basis, but since he
00:38:44
was cut off by his own father, there was little money to be had. He was not living or anything.
00:38:49
>> Yeah, he was bother to bother you. You do have a whole child. >> A few actually.
00:38:54
>> Yeah, a few of them. Now, the next morning, Gail was starting to feel a little anxious. Um, her son Mark and her
00:39:01
daughter Eileen were both away on trips and that left her alone at home with her
00:39:04
daughter Ariadna and she hadn't heard from Paul in nearly two days at this point which was unusual. Gail called the
00:39:11
apartment where he was staying and his roommate said he hadn't returned home the night before.
00:39:16
>> This definitely unsettled Gail because obviously, you know, he was a teenager.
00:39:21
Occasionally he would act his age 16 and Paul but Paul was pretty responsible when it came to keeping in touch with
00:39:28
his mother. Like she was like, "Yeah, he did a lot of shit." And he was like genuinely irresponsible and he called
00:39:33
me. He always called me. >> So the absence here was alarming like immediately. It wasn't until the next
00:39:39
day, a full 2 days since he'd last been seen, that Gail received the first call from the people who abducted her son.
00:39:46
>> The voice on the other end of the line was a man with a southern Italian accent
00:39:49
that she didn't recognize. and he asked politely if she was Senor Senora Getty. When she replied that she was, he
00:39:56
continued in his polite tone, "We have your son, Paul Getty." >> Oh my god. >> So she paused for a moment and she
00:40:02
corrected the man telling him that Paul was there in Rome. And he said, "No, Senora." And he said, "He's with us. We
00:40:08
are kidnappers and have him captive. He is safe, but we will require much money to release him."
00:40:13
>> Oh, as a mom, can you imagine? >> Poor Gail. and >> or through this entire thing
00:40:20
>> because that's the thing knowing that you need to like knowing who you need to
00:40:23
go to for the money. >> Oh yeah. And knowing that you might not be able to get it like there's a chance
00:40:29
you're estranged from your husband. That's your ex-husband. You're estranged from his father who has the large cash.
00:40:36
Like >> there's so many layers to this that I would I probably just fall to the [ __ ] floor.
00:40:42
>> That's the thing. So she tried to explain it to them. She said, "I don't have any money. like I don't have
00:40:47
anything to give you. But there was no point in arguing because everyone knew who her father-in-law had been and it
00:40:53
was generally assumed that she would have access to to large sums of money. So he said, "Please prepare to ask for
00:40:59
it from your father-in-law. He has all the money in the world." It was then that Gail understood, "This is not a
00:41:04
prank." And she angrily demanded to know where Paul was and who had taken him. And the kidnapper said very calmly
00:41:10
again, "I tell you, he is with us. He's in good health and he'll stay that way as long as you do as you're told and
00:41:16
arrange about the money, but don't go to the police. Just wait to hear from us. And then they disconnected.
00:41:21
>> Oh god. >> So she just panicked. The man, he hadn't given any information at all. He hadn't
00:41:27
told he hadn't even said how much money they wanted. >> Yeah. >> And even if he had, it's not like she
00:41:32
had any money to give. And she didn't think her husband ex-husband would have it either. She later said, "I felt
00:41:37
utterly alone and I had to figure out what in God's name I should do." So she had no idea who to reach out to. So she
00:41:43
called her parents in the United States. They tried to calm her down. They reassured her and they said, "I know he
00:41:48
said not to call the police, but you got to call the police." >> Yeah, of course you do.
00:41:51
>> And then they said, "And you need to contact your ex-husband. You got to contact Paul."
00:41:55
>> So >> Oh, God. Can you imagine? >> Right. So when Gail broke the news to him, he was as shocked and frightened as
00:42:01
she had been when she first received the call. Obviously, Paul Jr. had just started to get his life back on track
00:42:07
and their relationship had started to feel like before the drugs took over, like they were actually trying to start
00:42:13
having a relationship. So he was like, "Holy shit." So she he also was worried it was going to cause a relapse. Yeah.
00:42:20
Like just kind of So after giving him what little information she had, Gail suggested he call his father to ask for
00:42:26
the money. >> Yeah. >> But Paul's reaction was immediate and firm. He said, "I can't. We never speak
00:42:31
to one another." That's not an appropriate reaction. >> Now's the time to speak.
00:42:36
>> Yeah. Hey, Dad. My whole last child's been kidnapped by >> the crime syndicate.
00:42:41
>> Yeah. Like, hello. >> Italian crime syndicate. >> Hey, Dad. I'll I'm sober now. I've been
00:42:45
working on it. >> We can talk about it later. Like, >> oh, I can't. We don't talk. Go [ __ ]
00:42:50
yourself. >> So, Gail ends the call and she was preparing to call her former father-in-law herself cuz she was like,
00:42:55
"Fine, I'll [ __ ] do it." >> When the car binara arrived. So, they are more than just local police
00:43:00
officers. and the carabinara. They're called the Arma Decara. >> That's really fun to say.
00:43:05
>> They were an elite squad of law enforcement officers created to deal with the more notorious criminal
00:43:10
organizations. During a period in Italy that is frequently referred to as the years of lead, 1968 to 1988, the
00:43:18
officers in this elite squad developed a reputation for cynicism and ruthlessness
00:43:24
that occasionally led to their operating outside the law to solve criminal problems.
00:43:28
>> Yikes. According to John Pearson, they were quote, "Rarely overs sympathetic to
00:43:32
what they saw as rich, indulgent foreigners living in their midst." Okay, so this was not great for Gail. No.
00:43:38
>> For hours, the detectives grilled Gail about the lives of her son, her husband,
00:43:42
and her other children. They told her, "We know your son, Senora. He is probably with a girl or with his hippie
00:43:48
friends. He will almost certainly turn up." >> She's like, "Yeah, um, one of the
00:43:51
largest syndicates has called me and said that they have him. Like, you you got to listen.
00:43:56
>> Can we just listen to this?" when she's insisting he didn't run away and she quoted the man on the phone verbatim and
00:44:01
they just kept being skeptical of it. U they were well aware too. It's funny that they were not funny but like funny.
00:44:07
Yeah. That they that they were skeptical about this because this was like a wellknown thing that was happening right
00:44:14
now that they were kidnapping for ransom and especially the Indrangetta and other
00:44:18
syndicates. They were known for this at the time on brand for them. Now, it's unclear
00:44:25
whether she was genuinely convinced or simply tired of arguing with them, but the next day the press quoted Gail as
00:44:31
saying, "I think the phone call was some sort of joke." Well, that was probably her trying to convince herself.
00:44:36
>> Yeah, she definitely understood how the situation looked at the time, too. Like,
00:44:41
it's not as though her family was unknown to the police and the press. Um, not only had her ex-husband been sought
00:44:47
for questioning after the overdose death of his estranged wife, >> I'm sure, >> but Paul himself had been arrested a few
00:44:52
months earlier for participating in a political demonstration. >> Ah, >> so she was just she didn't know what to
00:44:59
do. Um, and she later told the reporter, "In any case, I'm waiting for more contacts that can clarify the situation.
00:45:05
I'm alone. I don't know what to do. I can only hope that my son returns home." >> That's heartbreaking. That poor woman.
00:45:11
So, the attempts to frame the kidnapping as a hoax or a runaway situation kept the press happy for a few days, which I
00:45:17
wonder if that's what she was doing, just trying to keep them away from her. >> But because of the family's name,
00:45:22
investigators had no choice but to take the case seriously. The next day, officers fanned out across the city to
00:45:28
look for Paul, even as they maintain their doubt that this was even real. When police combed the city looking for
00:45:34
him, Paul was being held by the gang in the Italian country. After dragging him into the car, they chloroformed him
00:45:41
until he lost consciousness. >> Jesus. >> And then when he woke up, he was chained
00:45:45
at the ankle to the wall of an animal pen at a nondescript farmhouse that was completely unfamiliar to him.
00:45:52
>> Nightmare. Nightmare. Nightmare. >> In the early days of his captivity, the kidnappers, he said, were like pretty
00:45:58
indifferent to him. Uh they gave him a radio, they fed him tinned food, but otherwise they just kind of had little
00:46:04
contact with him. They left him alone in the animal hut. They didn't really they
00:46:07
didn't hurt him or anything. According to John Pearson, at this stage, his captors seemed highly confident and were
00:46:13
clearly counting on a speedy deal to make their fortune. They thought they would just chain this kid up and they
00:46:18
get their money and they'd off he'd go. >> Yeah, you would think. >> Yeah. Because they had no idea about the
00:46:22
dysfunction and and incredibly poor interpersonal dynamics of the Getty family, they just naturally assumed the
00:46:29
family would be eager to get him back and would pay the sum to get him back. That confidence would start to wne in
00:46:35
the weeks that followed. And as it did, so would their patience and their indifference.
00:46:39
>> That's not great. >> Yeah. Not great. Gail had tried to reach her father-in-law in London multiple
00:46:45
times in the week that followed. Her father-in-law, the grandfather. >> Yeah. >> With all the money, he just wouldn't
00:46:51
return her calls. >> That's nice. >> He knows, by the way. >> Yeah. Just not return. I'm busy.
00:46:56
>> Sorry. Can't get to you. >> During this time, she finally received a letter from the kidnappers. It was like
00:47:02
a cutout straight up. Straight up. And the note was simple and straightforward. They wanted $17 million.
00:47:09
>> Oh, that's it. >> In 2025, that's $124 million for Paul's safe return. >> God.
00:47:15
>> A few days later, a second letter came to Gail's apartment. This time from Paul
00:47:18
himself. >> Oh. >> The letter was short and just gave basic details about the situation. He'd been
00:47:23
kidnapped. He didn't know who or where they were keeping him. He also restated the kidnapper's previous warning about
00:47:29
not going to the police. The note meant that at the very least, he was alive. So, that was good. in the final line of
00:47:35
the letter made it clear that things could change at any moment. He wrote, and I quote, "Pay up. I beg you, pay up
00:47:42
as soon as possible if you wish me well. If you delay, it is very dangerous for me. I love you, Paul."
00:47:49
>> This is a 16-year-old kid. >> That must have just been Oh, I >> That's like an indescribable feeling.
00:47:55
I'm sure that's something I could never dive into the deep recesses of thinking of how that feels
00:48:01
>> because every part of you as a parent usually wants to protect your child and
00:48:07
you have no idea where he even is and you have no control over the situation whatsoever.
00:48:12
>> And I'm just thinking about Gail. She every night >> has to put her head on the pillow.
00:48:18
>> Yeah. And also take care of three other children. >> Be a mother to other children like
00:48:23
>> like and just live her life. Like I don't know how people do it >> and not kill this old man who won't give
00:48:27
her the [ __ ] money. >> Exactly. Oh my god. >> Now the ransom demand in Paul's note
00:48:32
that followed put to rest the hoax idea. But it increased the seriousness of the
00:48:38
situation and they thought that was going to maybe get Paul Getty senior to like give a [ __ ]
00:48:44
>> He didn't even want to pray pay for like uh treatments for his child's brain cancer. So
00:48:49
>> didn't do it. Didn't do it. Um, he refused still to speak with his daughter-in-law or his son. Just
00:48:55
wouldn't talk to them. >> What a piece of [ __ ] >> He did talk to a reporter though,
00:48:59
refusing to answer their calls. >> Nice. >> And he told the reporter he loved his
00:49:04
grandson, but he would not be paying the ransom because, quote, "It only encourages kidnappers." And then he went
00:49:10
on to justify it by saying, "I have 14 grandchildren, and if I pay a penny of ransom, I'll have 14 kidnapped
00:49:16
grandchildren." Oh my god. What kind of rationale is that? >> If you're looking purely on logic, it
00:49:24
does make a certain amount of sense. >> He said, "I will not be rewarding bad behavior
00:49:28
>> as far as like warding off further kidnapping attempts." But holy [ __ ] does it show the ambivalence,
00:49:36
selfishness, and complete indifference he has to anyone that he's supposed to care about.
00:49:43
>> Yeah. >> Because it just doesn't matter. You wouldn't be thinking of that. You'd be
00:49:46
like, I have one grandchild who is kidnapped currently. I need to save that child. It's actually fascinating. That's
00:49:54
and and not in like a good way, but that somebody can care so little. >> It's scary. Like that's that's really
00:50:01
scary. >> That's a wall I don't think I've ever seen in person. >> No, he must have been a very scary and
00:50:09
draining person to be around. I feel like being in his presence would suck the [ __ ] life out of you cuz he's
00:50:17
just that that's a dark [ __ ] presence. >> Yeah. >> I feel like coming out of there you
00:50:21
would feel like you just got >> got be like, "Holy shit." >> Honestly, >> it would like drain you.
00:50:28
>> I can't believe he was like, "Yeah, I got 14 total." So like >> like, "Sorry, I can't if I do it." It's
00:50:34
literally the idea of he's like, "If I do it for one, I got to do them for all of it." You know?
00:50:38
>> That's crazy. Can't save one grandchild. out to save them all. It's like what?
00:50:44
>> Yeah. >> $17 million is an astronomical amount of money. >> But he was one of the richest men in the
00:50:51
world. >> It was literally nothing to him. >> Yeah. >> It was nothing to him. >> Have you ever seen the money where they
00:50:56
convert it like to like, you know, like Taylor Swift like >> getting a coffee buying a car?
00:51:01
>> Literally an SUV for her is like a coffee for us. >> Yeah. Like that's like literally and his
00:51:06
ransom was like a a trip to the mall for us. have done this. He didn't have to prove a point. He didn't need to use it
00:51:14
as like a bargaining thing. >> He also probably could have done it 14 times >> easily
00:51:19
>> and and not really see want to. You don't want your grandkids getting kidnapped all over the place. But it's
00:51:23
like come on, pay it once and then put some precautions into place going forward.
00:51:28
>> Like what the [ __ ] And like further complicating matters with a sensational
00:51:33
press reports coming from Italy and being reprinted in the American and British press. According to one theory
00:51:38
put forth by the press, Paul quote may have concocted an abduction to solve personal financial problems, saying that
00:51:45
his father had like set this whole thing up. >> I don't think he needs $17 million to
00:51:50
settle his personal problems >> and given what he already thought of his son and his grandson, this rumor
00:51:57
wouldn't have seemed >> it would have seemed pretty plausible to the grandfather. So, he was probably
00:52:01
like, I don't know what's going on here. >> He said it's Paul Junior's fault. >> Yeah. Meanwhile, he's just like, what
00:52:05
the [ __ ] Like I'm just laughing because this is insane. >> It's absurd. Yeah. >> And it's like you're thinking Paul Jr.
00:52:12
is working with a [ __ ] Italian crime syndicate. Like I doubt it. >> I doubt it.
00:52:17
>> I doubt it. >> Like that's that's not a par. That's not a dice roll I would have taken.
00:52:23
>> You know those hippies. >> Yeah, they're crazy. >> Those hippies in syndicates out here.
00:52:27
>> Like crazy. Now back in Rome, Gail was frantic at this point trying to figure
00:52:32
out how to come up with any amount of money. Um, a lawyer for the family said the grandfather doesn't want to pay a
00:52:38
penny and she must depend only on her money and that of her ex-husband, which is limited. In the end, she managed to
00:52:44
raise on her own $430,000, which she immediately offered the kidnappers on August 2nd.
00:52:50
>> That's a lot of money. I wonder how she even did that. >> I know, but it's unclear how they
00:52:54
managed to get in touch with the kidnappers to do this. But the press reported that they were unimpressed with
00:52:58
the office offer and called it poultry. I mean, $430,000 is a lot of [ __ ] money.
00:53:04
>> Like, she did it by herself. She's trying. >> I know. >> Now, years later, Gail would describe
00:53:08
her interactions with the members of Indrangetta. And initially, she said they were polite and respectful,
00:53:13
weirdly, referring to her as Senora, never raising their voices to her. But then, when she told them they she
00:53:19
couldn't raise the money for the ransom, their tone changed and it became explosive anger.
00:53:24
>> Um, the man shouted at Gail, "Who is this so-called grandfather? How can he leave his flesh and blood in the plight
00:53:30
that your poor son is in? >> She's like, "Yeah, I also wonder." She's like, "Bitch, Senor,
00:53:35
>> let's sit down and talk about it." >> Yeah. She's like, "You want to get coffee?"
00:53:38
>> And she tried to explain the situation and she was like, "I have virtually no
00:53:42
relationship with Getty Senior." Like, I have a relationship, but the gang accused her of lying and trying to get
00:53:48
out of paying the ransom. And she was like, "Why would I do that?" Like, I would tell I want my kid back.
00:53:53
>> Now, weeks passed without word from the kidnappers. And in the meantime, the press started focusing their attention
00:53:59
on the Getty family and Gail in particular. No matter where she went, she was hounded by journalists taking
00:54:05
photos, shouting questions at her. Um, and Gail later said they felt that someone must be blamed for what had
00:54:11
happened. And since there was no one else around, they picked on me. >> Oh, that's
00:54:14
>> this poor grieving mother like doesn't know where her son is. By early September, Getty was still refusing to
00:54:20
pay their new ransom. But he did send his personal lawyer, Fletcher Chase. That man had no choice. That man had no
00:54:27
other choice in life but to become a lawyer. >> If your name is Fletcher, you literally
00:54:32
have to become a lawyer. >> Yeah. >> Um and it was, you know, he had to defend his position, you know, and
00:54:39
support the family in some way. I guess that's what he was doing. >> She was starting to look bad.
00:54:43
>> Yeah. He's like, I guess I have to look like I I'm not a complete monster. Um
00:54:47
but he was really more there to help negotiate with the kidnappers. and Chase would ultimately prolong the ordeal and
00:54:53
complicate things a lot. >> Good. So, Fletch wasn't even a good lawyer, >> especially after he advised Gail and
00:54:59
other members of the family to end communication with the kidnappers. >> That's a terrible idea.
00:55:03
>> What? So frustrated with the silence and that months had passed without any money
00:55:23
offered, the members of Indrangetta decided they needed to take a new approach and convey to the Gettys that
00:55:28
they were done playing games. >> In the countryside where Paul was being held, they took they started taking
00:55:34
their anger out on him. They removed the radio that they gave him from his animals. This is really sad, too. Just
00:55:39
like trigger warning >> uh for like animal something. Uh they tightened his chains and then they
00:55:45
killed a bird that he had been keeping as a pet. >> Yeah. >> Which like really breaks my heart.
00:55:50
>> It's horrible. >> He literally kept a bird in this animal stall that he's being held in as a pet
00:55:55
and they killed it. >> Oh, that makes my stomach hurt. >> On one particularly bad afternoon, they
00:56:00
held a 45 caliber revolver to his head and played Russian roulette. >> Oh god. >> So he this 16-year-old kid just sat
00:56:07
there while they played Russian roulette with his head. That is psychological abuse like none other.
00:56:12
>> During this period, several of the original kidnappers had actually sold their stakes in the ransom to other
00:56:18
members of Indrangetta further up the chain of of command. >> What >> um yeah, that's what they
00:56:24
>> sold off their stakes. >> They just like gave it to and to higher up people. They were like, "Yeah, you
00:56:29
guys deal with it." >> That's terrifying. These men were not only harder and more abusive than the
00:56:34
previous captors, but they were also eager to end this stalemate and bring money in to invest in other activities.
00:56:40
They were like, "We don't play. We have other [ __ ] to do." >> One morning in mid-occtober, one of the
00:56:45
new kidnappers came to Paul's stall and offered him a glass of brandy. Paul said
00:56:50
it was too early to start drinking, and the man was like, "You should drink." And he said, "It would do you good."
00:56:56
>> That's chilling. >> Yeah. Before leaving, the man told Paul his hair was too long and needed
00:57:01
cutting. >> Oh, this is literally making my stomach hurt. I'm not kidding. >> And Paul was like, "No, I like my hair
00:57:06
this way." But a few minutes later, another man appeared and started cutting Paul's hair with blunt scissors. Once he
00:57:13
finished, the man rub some alcohol behind Paul's ear. And then he said he felt the man grab his right ear hard.
00:57:20
And a second later, he felt a searing pain on the side of his head as his ear was sliced cleanly off with a straight
00:57:28
razor. >> Oh my god. Oh my [ __ ] god. >> And then he just passed out from pain.
00:57:34
>> Oh my [ __ ] god. >> They sliced his right ear off. >> Stop saying that >> cleanly with a straight razor.
00:57:44
>> Stop saying that. >> I hate it. That is >> I'm literally like >> I'm holding my ears. Also, they gave him
00:57:51
one [ __ ] cup of brandy. I'm like, you should have given that poor kid a bottle.
00:57:56
>> Oh my god. >> And then he just passed out from the pain. >> Oh, that I'm actually like a little bit
00:58:00
nauseated. >> Yeah, that's that's honestly nauseating. >> A few days later, >> this poor This is a child, everybody.
00:58:07
>> 16-year-old kid. >> So, a few days later, Gail's at home in Rome when she and that was not meant to
00:58:13
rhyme, but it did. and she received a call and it was one of the kidnappers and this was a man she'd come to know at
00:58:19
this point named Sinquenta. >> Mhm. >> He told her what had happened. Told her about the ear.
00:58:25
>> He said like, "Oh, we were giving him a haircut and then accidentally cut his
00:58:27
ear off." >> No, he said, "We intentionally cut his ear off because we want you to know
00:58:31
we're not [ __ ] around." >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. And she was like, "Fuck you. No, I
00:58:36
don't believe you." And then he was like, "I'll send you photos." And she was like, "Wow." And she said whether
00:58:42
she believed it or not, I don't know if she was trying to like front with him, but she said she couldn't get the idea
00:58:47
obviously out of her head of him being literally butchered her child. >> Um, as promised, polaroids of Paul were
00:58:54
discovered in a particular trash can in Rome after Sinquenta directed investigators to their location.
00:59:00
>> So, they were like, "Here you go." >> In them, Paul could be seen standing outside like a cave in a nondescript
00:59:06
location. He was filthy. He was emaciated. And on the right side of his head, there was a terrible open wound
00:59:13
where his ear had once been. >> Oh, >> the kidnappers also sent Paul's ear via the mail.
00:59:20
>> I was wondering if they were going to. >> But apparently there was a postal strike
00:59:23
in Rome at the time, so mail wasn't being delivered. So the package sat on a shelf undiscovered for like weeks.
00:59:29
>> Oh no. >> Yeah, that must have smelled great. >> Yeah. In the package when it was
00:59:33
discovered, it was addressed to a newspaper. There was his hair. They' cut his hair and put it in there. a demand
00:59:39
for the money and his ear. >> And the letter said, "This is Paul's first ear." >> Not his first ear.
00:59:45
>> Yeah. If within 10 days the family still believes that this is a joke mounted by
00:59:49
him, then the other ear will arrive. In other words, he will arrive in little bits.
00:59:55
>> Oh, that no. >> They wrote, "In other words, he will arrive in little bits >> until you [ __ ] pay us."
01:00:05
Like, that is [ __ ] chilling. Yeah, we're just going to send little pieces of your child back to you until you send
01:00:13
that that Oh, I can't even talk. Holy [ __ ] >> I can't even. My brain like exploded.
01:00:19
>> And also like this is his first ear. This is his first ear. >> Expect the second if you don't pay us. I
01:00:26
>> How do you wrap your brain around that? >> I literally don't know. >> How do you not just [ __ ] pay them?
01:00:33
You have the money. >> That's killing me. It's not like this is a family who's sitting there being like
01:00:38
we don't have this money. We don't know how to get it. There is a man that is part of this family that has all the
01:00:43
money in the world. >> Like literally. And it's also like how do you just not empathize with your
01:00:48
grandson thinking of this child, a 16-year-old getting his ear sliced off? >> And it's like you move you.
01:00:55
>> Well, that's the thing. Like you were moved by your own sadness. Like you told
01:00:58
one of your wives nobody cuddled you. This 16-year-old is getting his [ __ ] ear chopped off. you don't want to
01:01:03
change the the direction of his life a little bit like god damn >> that is cold >> yeah by the middle of November things
01:01:12
had fallen apart completely Paul had been in captivity nearly 4 months at this point and his health if not his
01:01:20
life were in danger at this point they'd been plying him with brandy to numb the
01:01:25
pain and some people actually believe this is partially what led to his alcoholism later in life
01:01:30
>> sure >> uh they also gave him a ton of penicellin to try to keep the infection
01:01:34
from killing him because he would be useless to them if he died. >> That's the thing. I was wondering what
01:01:38
they were doing to like keep that wound clean. >> They didn't. They just applied him with
01:01:42
penicellin to try to keep they were like uh they were basically just trying to keep him alive. Not really comfortable.
01:01:48
Um and it led to an allergy to the drug later. So much of it. Wow. >> Yeah. Like he be like he couldn't take
01:01:54
it later. >> Uh the carabinara that elite squad had proven completely useless in tracking down the kidnappers.
01:02:01
like great job. >> Yeah, thanks a lot. >> And Paul Senior continued to refuse the
01:02:05
ransom. >> This man >> continued. >> I don't know if like there's like >> that's I
01:02:14
like hello. >> I feel like you're capable of murder at that point. Like >> at this at the same time, the members of
01:02:20
Indrangetta had grown tired of the whole thing and they were aware they might end
01:02:25
up losing their investment at this point. So they reduced the ransom to 2.3 million
01:02:29
>> which is crazy. >> 17 and they said that's their final offer. >> That's a crazy reduction.
01:02:35
>> And out of options and completely on her own, Gail was just like we'll pay it.
01:02:40
I'll figure it out. Like just hold him. Please don't kill him. Like I will figure it out. Like don't cut off
01:02:44
another part of his body. Like I will get this to you. >> In the end Paul Senior finally agreed
01:02:51
not to pay the ransom to loan half the money. Not even all of it to not even all of it at 4% interest.
01:03:00
>> What a [ __ ] What a [ __ ] is right. Somebody should in the [ __ ] face. Like he's a piece of apple.
01:03:08
>> This man is a lone shark. >> He's a dirt bag. Like talk a bag of dirt. That's what this man is.
01:03:14
>> No. Like that's a bag of [ __ ] dirt. That is just not I don't understand being that way. own half. Now, to be
01:03:25
clear, $2.3 million. He's loaning barely over a million dollars, which to anyone
01:03:32
else is an inconceivable amount of money to this man. That is literally change he
01:03:38
would pull out of his butthole. Like, that is that is literally >> that's butthole change. Y'all know about
01:03:46
butthole change. Y'all got butthole change. Elena's just out here tooting tooting
01:04:00
fives. This man absolutely has some butthole change. I don't care what's going on here.
01:04:10
>> I've heard of like I don't know. >> I've heard of like couch change. >> Couch changes
01:04:16
going with that. But it sounded more intense to say butthole. >> To say he shits out millions.
01:04:23
>> He does. >> He probably wipes his butt with millions out millions. Dan is [ __ ] out
01:04:27
millions of dollars. He could pull this out of his butthole at any time >> and he just wouldn't.
01:04:34
>> Maybe that's why he's so uptight. There's so much money up there. >> Up his butt.
01:04:38
>> In his ass. >> What's up your butt? Millions. >> You got a hair across your ass. No,
01:04:42
that's that's a 500. >> That's a 500. I'm crying. >> This guy's such a dick. >> That's a couple of Benny Franks.
01:04:51
>> It truly is. And that's what I'm I'm saying. Like >> $17 million to him was [ __ ] nothing.
01:04:57
>> Well, then it got reduced to >> $1 million. Not even two. He only gave one. >> Well, that No, but it got reduced to
01:05:03
two. He could have given two. >> He would only give one. And he didn't give it. He loaned it at 4% interest.
01:05:09
And then he told his son and his daughter-in-law about their own grandchild. Figure out the other
01:05:16
million. and change yourself. That's not a little amount of money to figure out.
01:05:21
>> Like, god damn. >> Also, wait, we haven't even said this yet. And that's actually insane that I
01:05:24
haven't thought this. I've thought it. I just haven't said it in a second. >> I'm crying. Paul III is sitting there in
01:05:30
that like where like you know being transported to all these different places and getting his ears chopped off
01:05:35
and getting amaz like being starved getting his bird killed >> and he's it's four [ __ ] months of
01:05:41
this and he's probably sitting there like hey does anyone give a [ __ ] rat's ass about me cuz you know those
01:05:48
people are sitting there being like yeah no one's paying us like no one gives a [ __ ] about you. It's crazy when even
01:05:53
like the cartel feels bad. Like the cartel. They're probably sitting there being like this sucks, dude.
01:05:58
>> Like we would like our money, but also like rough break with your family. >> Like they don't give a [ __ ] Except your
01:06:04
mom. >> That's so sad. >> And his dad was trying at that point. Like he at least was like
01:06:10
some kind of like no not. >> Gail was the real hero here. She was trying everything she [ __ ] could.
01:06:17
>> Yeah, that's a mama. >> Along with the money that the grandfather uh loan % interest. Paul Jr.
01:06:23
was able to pull together with Gail and figure out how to get the rest of the money. I don't know how they had 2.2
01:06:30
million when it and they wanted 2.3. They were able to get 2.2. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Chase um the Fletcher Chase lawyer
01:06:38
guy told reporters the amount is the maximum the father is able to raise for the return of the boy.
01:06:43
>> No. >> His lawyer is literally like sorry. I'm also like, [ __ ] your salary could probably can only give you this
01:06:50
much. That's the maximum amount that he's able to raise. That's the other thing. He raised that money. Again, I
01:06:57
tell you, he pulled it out of his ass. >> The other thing is it's like when you're
01:06:59
that rich, that money is just sitting there making more money. >> Just sitting there,
01:07:04
>> like sitting in investment accounts making more money >> and he and he wants 4% interest for half
01:07:09
of that that amount. >> Like we talked about it in the Patty Hurst case. Obviously, it's not easy to
01:07:14
like take that money out right away because it's tied up in investments and that kind of thing. But when you are one
01:07:18
of the richest men in the world, like it was it was a bummer in the Patty Hurst thing because it was like they wanted it
01:07:23
so quickly >> and they wanted such an they wanted an immense amount of money that he couldn't
01:07:27
just pull out of somewhere. This is nothing. >> Well, it was like a a timed demand. This
01:07:32
whole thing they they waited around 4 months for this [ __ ] >> Four months. >> Which like they're terrible people.
01:07:37
>> Absolutely. But they're they've had all the time in the world to do it. I mean,
01:07:41
this is this is absolutely bonkers. >> It's wild. >> My coffee is hitting and I am upset.
01:07:47
>> Bonkers. On December 12th, 1973, Fletcher Chase collected the 2.2 million into three duffel bags and drove 250
01:07:55
miles to the location. >> That's literally Grandpa's birthday. >> Oh my god. That's John Paul Senior's
01:08:01
birthday. >> That's crazy. Yeah. >> I didn't even think of that. >> Yeah. He said HBD
01:08:05
>> HBD [ __ ] Here you go. That's wild, >> isn't it? And so he he had instructions
01:08:11
to a meeting point in the middle of nowhere. When he reached the destination, he was met by a man wearing
01:08:15
a ball of clava and holding a pistol. >> That's [ __ ] terrible. Scared the [ __ ]
01:08:18
out of me. >> I'd poop my pants. >> He handed those bags over. >> I'd poop out millions.
01:08:22
>> I'd poop out millions. And he returned to Rome where he was told to wait for word.
01:08:26
>> 3 days later, Gail received a call from Sinquenta, the guy that she had talked
01:08:31
to a lot, who provided her with directions to a gas station in the town of Lauria, where they were to pick up
01:08:36
their son. And then he hung up. As promised, local police found Paul at that gas station.
01:08:42
>> At what? >> In what [ __ ] state? >> He had developed a severe infection from
01:08:46
the wound on his head. He was very malnourished. Um, but they said he was not he didn't seem like he was like
01:08:52
beaten in any way. >> He was malnourished and he had the >> He wasn't he was just missing a [ __ ]
01:08:58
ear like but weirdly he wasn't like >> I love that they were like cool that they they didn't really slap him around.
01:09:04
They just cut his ear off. I think they were more like this is weird. Like it's weird that like
01:09:08
>> that was the first time they physically hurt him weird >> was to cut his ear off and then like
01:09:14
just not feed him. Like it's very strange behavior. Um so there was that. Uh at first the local police were
01:09:21
reluctant apparently to release the boy. >> What were they going to do with him?
01:09:25
>> I don't know. They were just going to hold him but Gail was literally was like
01:09:28
go [ __ ] yourself. >> Hold him for what? Continuously like hold him captive. She and Chase had to
01:09:33
drag him out to their car, like away from the police. >> What the [ __ ] >> Yeah. She recalled, "Paul and I were
01:09:39
both like zombies and so tense with emotion that we could barely speak to one another."
01:09:44
>> The following afternoon, Gail instructed her son to call his grandfather and thank him for loaning his parents the
01:09:50
money to secure his >> Here's the thing. I wouldn't be doing that. I'd be like, "Hey, Grandpa, you're
01:09:54
a piece of ancient dog shit." >> Oh, don't worry. Because when he rang Sut in place, the British man, a woman
01:10:00
answered the phone >> and she said, "It's your grandson Paul. Do you wish to speak to him?" He heard
01:10:06
her say that and then heard Paul Senior say he had no desire to come to the phone.
01:10:11
He said, "No, that man is rank. He is rank ass." The literal next day after he was brought home one ear,
01:10:22
>> held captive for 4 months and having his ear chopped off, >> he calls him to by no who knows why to
01:10:33
say thank you for letting me sit there for 4 months and get my ear chopped out. >> Thank you for giving my parents for
01:10:38
giving my parents a loan for half the money at 4% interest. You [ __ ] dirt bag piece of [ __ ] Oh,
01:10:44
>> he's saying and he says, "No, I don't I don't want to get on the phone." >> I mean, I hate the phone. This is next
01:10:50
level. That's next level. >> Honestly, next time our family says that you don't answer the phone, call this
01:10:56
Call upon this. >> I'm going to be like, "Well, at least I'm not this guy." >> Call upon it, girl.
01:11:00
>> If you want to thank me for giving you a 4% interest loan on your ransom money,
01:11:04
I'll answer the phone. >> Maybe not. >> But not maybe Ash will answer the phone and ask me if I want to talk to you and
01:11:10
I'll say, "I'm not as bad as this guy." >> That's crazy. Like what the [ __ ] And
01:11:16
Paul III is just sitting there on the phone. What? On, excuse me, on his left ear. Yeah. Because he doesn't have a
01:11:22
right ear, remember? And he's just hearing his grandfather be like, "Nah, I'm good."
01:11:27
>> I'm not one to armchair diagnose, but this man is a sociopath. >> That's sociopathic behavior. At the very
01:11:33
least, >> I'm happy to sit here and tell you this man is a [ __ ] sociopath. At at the
01:11:38
very least that is that it is looks looks to me like sociopathic baby. >> This man is deranged
01:11:43
>> like damn. Now while Paul recovered at his mother's apartment in Rome, the Carabinari began hunting down the
01:11:51
members of Indrangetta who were responsible for the kidnapping. And in mid January they made the first started.
01:11:57
>> Yeah. They were like we should do that. They made the first four of what would
01:12:00
eventually be nine arrests. and all four were charged with kidnapping, criminal association, and having caused serious
01:12:07
personal injury. By the end of the month, the others had been apprehended and charged with the same crimes. Uh,
01:12:12
but ultimately only two members of Indrangetta, Jeppi Lammana and Antonio Manuso, would be convicted of the
01:12:19
kidnapping and sentenced to 16 years in prison. >> That's it. >> The others were acquitted for lack of
01:12:24
evidence. >> Lack of evidence. Just bring [ __ ] Paul in. Uh less than a year later, Paul
01:12:30
III met and soon married Jacella Schmidt, who um was 5 months pregnant by the time they got married. A few months
01:12:37
later in 1975, she gave birth to their son, Baltazar. >> Iconic name, >> great name. The couple re um remained
01:12:43
married until 1993 when they uh divorced. Paul had plastic surgery to repair the right side of his head, but
01:12:51
he was badly scarred for the rest of his life. >> Of course, emotionally and physically. I
01:12:55
was just going to say, but he had physical scars, but those emotional ones, he did his best. But
01:13:01
>> how do you recover? >> Struggled with drugs and alcohol. >> Of course, he did.
01:13:04
>> Um, throughout the rest of the 1970s, Paul struggled with serious drug addiction, especially after he returned
01:13:10
to the United States and started associating with New York's party culture, like Studio 54, all that kind
01:13:16
of stuff. His substance abuse issues finally came to a head in 1981 when after drinking a mixture of Valium,
01:13:22
methadone, and alcohol. He had a massive stroke and liver liver failure, he survived.
01:13:29
>> Wow. >> But the stroke left him as a quadripollegic and he had a lifetime of associated health problems with it. For
01:13:36
decades after, Gail cared for her son. >> Oh. >> Um with help from his wife. >> Yeah.
01:13:42
>> But on February 5th, 2011, J. Paul Getty III died after a long illness. >> That's so sad. That's a tragic story.
01:13:52
>> Yes. And after the kidnapping, the relationship between the members of the Getty family just continued to
01:13:57
deteriorate. >> I'm sure it did. >> How do you get past that? >> How do you not beat your grandpa's ass
01:14:02
at that point? I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry. Leave it in. I'm sorry. How can you not beat your grandpa's ass?
01:14:12
Goes crazy. I'm serious. I'd be so [ __ ] pissed at Papa. I would never beat Papa's ass unless my
01:14:22
ear got cut off and I spent 4 months imprisoned. That goes absolutely crazy. >> I'm sorry, but like come on.
01:14:32
>> I mean, this how do you not beat your grandma's ass? >> I would be honest. >> I would be livid. This sentiment is
01:14:42
something I think a lot of people can agree with. >> I think so, too. >> Your grandpa's changed parts.
01:14:51
>> Honestly, though, come on. At least you'll get some [ __ ] butthole change out of the ordeal.
01:14:58
>> You don't even have to do it. You should hire someone. But you can't cuz you're
01:15:01
paying you're paying off a 4% interest loan. So, you go there and you beat your grandpa's ass.
01:15:07
>> That's that's ass beating behavior. what his grandpa did. >> Obviously, that's a joke.
01:15:13
>> It's a joke. Don't shut up. Okay. We're not promoting violence. >> No. Don't beat your grandpa's ass.
01:15:18
>> We're eight years into this. >> You've never He's never experienced this. Don't beat your grandpa's ass.
01:15:22
>> Don't beat your grandpa's ass. But like that guy sucks. >> Yeah, >> that guy sucks. He does
01:15:27
>> so hard. He does. >> And obviously his family was like that you suck like very hard. Uh in 1976,
01:15:34
John Paul Getty Senior died at the age of 83. >> Wamp wamp. Let's play the world's
01:15:39
smallest violin. >> In his will, Getty left his son John $500. >> I thought you honestly I genuinely
01:15:46
thought you were going to say five $5. >> He left his grandson Paul nothing. >> Yeah, I'm sure.
01:15:52
>> Grandson Paul nothing. >> Cuz in his mind, >> after letting him get his ear chopped
01:15:57
off, let me tell you, he left his son $500. >> Yeah. Let me tell you, in his mind, he
01:16:03
paid that he already paid his grandson for his whole life. That was him recouping his loan.
01:16:09
>> Yeah, exactly. >> That's what that was. He was like, I'm not giving you anything. I gave you a
01:16:12
loan. >> Terrible man. >> He is a terrible man. That's like terrible. >> He's a terrible no good man.
01:16:18
>> I mean, Getty Getty behavior is is bad behavior. >> Yeah, it is. >> Poor I just feel terrible for Paul II.
01:16:26
>> I do too. >> Like that is wild. It's so it's genuinely a heartbreaking tale what he
01:16:33
went through his life too. >> And how could it not be? I mean that that kind of trauma.
01:16:40
>> Yeah. How do you get through that? >> 90% of us in the world will not know that trauma.
01:16:45
>> No, it's awful. Isn't that story just >> it jaw is on the ground the whole time?
01:16:52
I was literally like what? >> I've known of this but I did not know the details.
01:16:56
>> The movie is genuinely such a good movie. It's It's called All the Money in the World and it's so good. After you
01:17:02
listen to this, if you want like to dive even a little deeper and you know get like a dramatic effect,
01:17:06
>> watch the movie. It's so good. >> But as you see, they really don't have to dramatize much.
01:17:11
>> No, they real situation is absurd enough. >> Yeah. >> Gail forever. >> Gail. >> Gail forever. Truly like Gail really
01:17:22
that that lady is a good mom. She was a good wife. She's a good person. >> Yeah. And then to continue carrying I
01:17:30
mean obviously you're a mom. Once a mom always a mom. Like >> well Gail forever.
01:17:34
>> Gail like I really like Gail Gail didn't have to go through that. She shouldn't
01:17:38
have had to go through that. >> I'm not even that big of a hugger but I would give that lady a hug. And I would
01:17:41
want to give that that son a hug too. >> Yeah. Cuz it's like he was like getting
01:17:45
into trouble and [ __ ] and like doing I was getting so much trouble. Super young
01:17:49
and he wasn't having any guidance by like like by like father you know what I mean? Like he was abandoned. So it's
01:17:55
like, you know, you're going to do some reckless [ __ ] when you get abandoned. >> He had plenty of time to turn it around.
01:18:01
>> Yeah, >> that's the thing. He was only 16 years old. There was plenty of time to turn
01:18:05
that ship around. >> Andy obviously was like he was getting into trouble and stuff, but he was
01:18:08
obviously involved in like politics and that kind of thing and the arts. So he's
01:18:12
not by any means. >> No. If he had been led in that direction, I think he could have
01:18:18
>> actually succeeded and had a much better life than his family members did. >> Yeah. and not gone down this like
01:18:24
generational trauma nose dive. >> And it's it's like we were just saying in the beginning of the episode how we
01:18:30
were saying how like Kendra and Cammy on Lagouna Beach season 3, we were like, damn, that would suck to have to like
01:18:35
apologize for your 16-year-old self. >> That's actually really weird that we started like that weird and that it
01:18:42
>> I didn't even mean to do that. Like it's like cuz 16-year-old you is like a literal different human being.
01:18:47
>> Oh, I was a goblin. >> That's not even a real That's not It's connected to you in no way, shape, or
01:18:51
form. It's like watching an old movie of somebody else. >> Honestly, it's like it's the same thing
01:18:55
here. He was 16. That was could have been a very different person. >> You changed so much throughout your
01:19:00
life. I hear like people will say things that I said earlier in this podcast when
01:19:04
I was like 22 and I'm like, "Oh god, don't tell me that." >> Yeah. You're like, "What?"
01:19:07
>> You changed so much throughout your life. >> Absolutely. >> And especially from 16 to, you know,
01:19:12
>> however old. It's like, damn. >> Damn. >> Yeah. It's crazy. >> That's a story.
01:19:16
>> That is a story. >> Go touch grass, everyone. >> Yeah. >> Go, if you have a good grandpa, go hug
01:19:21
him. And don't beat your >> Don't Don't beat his ass. I'm going to I got to call my grandpa and explain that.
01:19:26
>> He's going to be like, "Did you say you'd beat my ass on a national podcast?"
01:19:29
>> Did you say that? >> I was like, "No, papa. >> No, papa." >> Oh, man. I actually do have to call him.
01:19:35
So, we should go. >> Yeah, we should. >> All right. Well, we hope you keep listening.
01:19:38
>> We hope you >> keep it weird. >> Don't keep it so weird that you beat your girlfriend.
01:19:42
>> Don't do that. >> Keep it so weird you find but hole change.