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hey weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is [Music] morbid hey well there's not a lot going on so
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why don't we get right into it oh yeah nothing going on in these streets nothing going on that I want to talk
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about so no nothing good so nothing good anymore nothing good so bad bad bad so let's talk about something worse you
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know what let's get into something worse cuz I think that's really where we are so loves it we're going to talk about
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the London cannibal tell me everything Peter Brian oh we're in a place of cannibalism because we're not we're we
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personally are not I don't eat Le I am not I'm not I don't want I don't want to speak for you no actually I'm going now
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I'm going to call you out first I'll finish my thought and then I have something to call you out about so first
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my thought is that I my movie pick for scream this week that we're going to record is also based in cannibalism call
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movie fresh so good check it out secondly this morning for breakfast Elena brought into the like brought into
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the Pod lab I'm not joking you a plate full of burnt sausage links just little ones yeah sausage little breakfast but
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there was at least five there was five and they were they were carcinogens I like them very burnt burnt
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to a crisp and that was her breakfast cuz cuz you know it was giving frat boy um it's giving 2024 yes and 2025 and
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2026 and 2027 and 20128 as well little tiny burnt sausages just on a plate running the country you know like that
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got it all right well I just wanted to call you out about that now we talk about cannibalism I appreciate that um
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they were good they're the little Vermont maple ones just oh I like the maple ones I um I do the banquet ones
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the banquet little patties oh yeah cuz I like could put the B of an egg sandwich
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I like to put them in an egg sandwich I don't like to burn them I just burn them
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to a crisp and eat them cuz I don't care you're just Rough Around the Edges here
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living you're Rough Around the Edges people I feel like people at home are just picturing you like foaming at the
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mouth yeah that was what happened yeah keep picturing it all right so let's talk about Peter br this is a wild story
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I don't know if I know this um it's very upsetting right off the bat please know
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that okay um I mean it does involve cannibalism so so there that is there's that and it also involves a lot of
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discussion about like mental health mental illness like the system around it at the time and especially in the area
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yeah um so let's talk about Peter Bryan when he was younger so Peter Brian was born in London England on October 4th
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1969 Scorpio a Scorpio he was the youngest of seven children damn um to parents who had moved to the UK from
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Barbados in the late 1950s many years later after his arrests Brian recalled his early life as you
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know one that was not very smooth it was a lot of disruption a lot of difficulty
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I mean seven kids and like moving to like a completely new place that already sounds very disruptive um yeah they
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lived in New him and but starting when Peter was four or five years old both of his par parents were working full-time
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jobs and the three youngest children which included Peter were often left in the care of just like a rotating group
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of like babysitters um you know anyone they could get to just watch these kid yeah
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childcare is [ __ ] hard uh during this time the children were often left at home alone for like long periods of time
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that can be tough yeah now in 1974 Peter started attending primary school he doesn't have great memories of this time
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of his life according to Peter quote he had a few friends and was unhappy during
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this time primarily on account of his sense of Shame and embarrassment and needing extra reading lessons oh that
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can that can be tough when you're having to be pulled away to do something extra
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I understand that I think that's the thing is that like like pulling kids out is not always the way to do it but I
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also don't know like how you how El to do it but I remember like kids being embarrassed that they needed to get
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pulled out and have like be in like a different reading course or a different math course you it's an automatic like
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why am I from them it like just makes them question it immediately but again there's no real I don't have another
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solution so it's like that if it works it works exactly socially it it sucks that like we haven't evolved past the
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point where people are like you're different because you're in a different shame yeah like we need to get better
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but his feelings of Shame LED Peter to seek out and Bully those that he kind of perceived to be physically weaker than
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himself cuz he was feeling weaker in certain areas so he had to kind of make up for that exactly over compensate so
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he would force them apparently to give him like treats and like candy and also Bridge Troll yeah and he would also make
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them tie his shoelaces what the [ __ ] so he was it was very weirdly like authoritative of him yeah and like
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strange um tie my shoes yeah this is when he's like you know seven eight years old like just forcing kids to tie
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a shoes oh honey the day my kid comes home and is like some bully made me tie their
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shoe shoe right up your butt honey baby believe shoe in your face that would be a problem now by the time he was 10 or
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11 years old The Bullying that he was committing had escalated to physical aggression towards his classmates so
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before it was like just give me a treats give me a sweets tie my shoelaces but then it started turning into like I'm
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actually hurting people give me your treats give me your sweets tie my shoelaces is insane it goes crazy why is
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that like a campaign line give me a treat going be a sweet time my shoelaces why am I picturing a child on a stoop
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why am I picturing the literal stoop kid stoop kid scoop stoop kids got to leave
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sto oh [ __ ] but now that's all like funny to watch from you know the a total outside perspective but then it started
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escalating into actually hurting his classmates I hate that and it got even worse and this is where it starts to get
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dark like we can laugh about like give me a treats give me a sweets it gets dark okay cuz then he started
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harassing female classmates why and he would try to literally like attack them e so he's a [ __ ] predator and he was
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very like weirdly aggressively sexual to them very early on what's going on at home Peta now as he entered his teen
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years cuz he had he was doing that before he was entering his teen years 10 or 11 scary um he was getting into
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trouble at school on a regular basis and because of this he would get a lot of cuz at the times at the time period in
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the place they were y he would get canings oh I didn't think he the head teacher yeah they used to like cane kids
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yeah like with a literal cane they hit them [ __ ] I knew about like the ruler and [ __ ] damn mhm and he would get other
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forms of punishment but this didn't really do a lot to uh you know stop him from lashing out at others because
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violence tends to reinforce violence I crazy how that it's a weird connection that we've seen for Millennia yeah so
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wild in fact by the time he was 15 years old and had transferred to a new school
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in London he was routinely getting into fights with other boys he kept getting into trouble he would get reprimanded
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all the time for and this is horrifying feeling up girls oh my God and on occasion he would be suspended and he
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even got suspended once for slapping a teacher what the [ __ ] yeah he was he needs to go to juvie he needs the Beyond
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Scared Straight program he does now in interviews with mental health workers after he was arrested later in life
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Peter also indicated that his early adolescence was when he started really going into his criminal career we should
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say uh it was like petty theft he also committed muggings which is like pretty aggressive that's scary and according to
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him these activities gave him something to do you could do a whole scho of other
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things maybe volunteer for the community but he also agreed that he liked the feeling of power and excitement that he
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got from menacing other s oh that's so dark which is like you need to go away you need that's now around this time he
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also started experimenting with drugs which is not great when this is all happening initially he was just uh
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smoking pot but his drug use would increase and expand as he Grew Older like crack other Like Cocaine
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other stuff now later he was diagnosed as dyslexic and he described himself as quote very slow and unable to keep up
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with his peers well dyslexia like that's a real CH yeah that's a real learning disability and it caused a lot of
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anxiety around schooling and it resulted in him like not ever wanting to go to school so he had he had a big period of
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treny um by the time he was 15 or 16 he had become so disengaged from school altogether that he just ended up
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dropping out damn that's really sad yeah cuz he just felt like he couldn't keep up it's probably good for everybody else
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because he's like committing felonies he's a [ __ ] Menace at that school like he's yeah if I was anybody else at
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that I'd be like bye happy like bye yeah good luck on your reading Journey have fun um but so he did find a part-time
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job at Omar which was a clothing boutique at Petticoat Lane Market in London I love that name pett Coat Lane
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Market I love it uh it was owned by the sheth family and the job paid in cash and according to Peter he supplemented
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his income by selling drugs and stealing from his employers fantastic so he worked he also stole from the people
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employing him and he sold drugs awesome in 1992 when Peter was in his early 20s his drug and alcohol use had increased
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exponentially mean you start that [ __ ] when you're a teenager it's that's scary
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he was spending nearly every cent he made or had on M on drugs and he reported that some days he would just
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spend all day at a friend's house or acquaintance house getting high so sad this period of his life was very
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unstable um in addition to the drug and alcohol abuse his housing was unstable and his employment status was like
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formal I would say like really not solid he had actually left his parents house because they told him get out get out
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when and he had left at 17 or 18 and had been staying in hosts or staying with friends ever since wow and it was
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through his occasional work at the shops that Peter met the chef's daughter they
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were the people that owned the shop oh no Nisha so the shef's children who were also who also included a son seven years
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younger than Nisha would often help their parents in the shops they were regularly there they were fixtures in
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those family businesses right in interviews with his doctors later Peter claimed hean Nisha had a quote intimate
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relationship okay though he said the two had not had sex okay her parents on the other hand
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said abso [ __ ] lutely not they did not they were not anything past co-workers they weren't even friends wow
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what a weird thing to make up and I would believe her parents sometimes though PE it's crazy how people can
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think that like they're your best friend and you're like I barely know you yeah like she I think he had a delusional
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relationship with her in 1993 Nisha was in her first year at South Bank University where she was studying social
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work she was a very compassionate young woman she was I mean her friends and neighbors described her as the nicest
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sweetest girl you could ever hope to meet oh and she would quote never have a cross word for anyone that's really she
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sounds like a really good person she had always been kind to Peter briyan if you
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tell me that she's his first victim I'm gonna be upset she had always been kind to Peter bran which makes his actions
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even more heinous when we get to them damn it in the early evening of March 18th n nisha's mother Rita had left the
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shop and gone upstairs to the family's apartment Nisha and her 12-year-old brother Bobby were alone in the shop
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remember Mom went right up to the family apartment UPS a little before 700 p.m. Peter Brian ENT entered the shop with a
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hammer a hammer Nisha was on the phone and didn't see Peter enter so he turned his attention towards her brother her
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12-year-old brother oh God he struck him in the head with the hammer and knocked
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him out to the floor this caught nisha's attention obviously so she turned just in time to
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see Peter who pulled her away from the phone and threw her onto the floor and then began repeatedly hitting her with
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the hammer what the this escalated so quickly walked in there and just attacked them both when he came to a
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moment later Bobby 12-year-old Bobby fled from the store to get help and he fled out onto the King's Road district
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and he was chased by Brian oh he chased him for a few blocks until he realized he was being pursued by a passer by who
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saw this whole thing oh my God so turning around Peter I'm talking about Peter Brian he brandished the hammer at
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the guy that was running at him and warned the man to keep back back and then fled in the direction of Chelsea
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Manor Street now this whole thing was like crazy quick he ran in there it was like a violent just Ambush out of
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nowhere yeah and during this whole thing he said nothing to Nisha or Bobby that's
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so chilling like silent and just like what yeah what why did he want to what was the motive here like what what
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motivated this well the attack was so bad and this is very graphic just so you're aware the attack left Nisha with
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head injuries so severe that the brain tissue was exposed from her skull oh my God she was rushed to the hospital by
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ambulance but unfortunately she died on the way to the hospital now in his statement to the Press detective Chief
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superintendent Clive Richie told reporters this was a cowardly and horrific attack I've seldom seen
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injuries this bad the family is well known and well-liked in the area and everyone is terribly shocked and again
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this was unprovoked it was just an unprovoked attack and at the time they didn't know who the [ __ ] did it they
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like what this is a family who's been good to him who employed him yeah so the press and the public thought this was
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just this motiveless crime that they were like what the [ __ ] is going on but investigators were like I think I know
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who did this really yeah about an hour I mean yeah the the brother knows too it's
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just like where is he yeah about an hour after the attack in the store Peter briyan was seen dangling by his hands
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from a third story balcony of an apartment building in the batter sea neighborhood area of London what he fell
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nearly 30 ft and severely broke both lower legs and ankles ouch and later he explained that he had intended to kill
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himself by throwing himself off the building head first but he had second thoughts on the way and clung to the
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building until he couldn't hold any longer and fell when he got to the emergency department of St Thomas
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Hospital he was repeating a n a phone number over and over but wouldn't say what the number number was for and when
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the admitting nurse gave the number to police they found out that it was the number for nisha's parents what and he
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was just saying it over and over what the [ __ ] like why yeah Peter's injuries required him to have several
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surgeries he had to get um bilateral pins put into both of his legs and he was placed in traction o um although a
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police report filed several days claimed that he tested positive for opiates the
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drug screening that was done at the hospital only showed weak traces of THC in a system consistent with someone
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who'd smok marijuana a few days earlier yeah so the following day March 20th he was arrested for the murder of Nisha
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sheth to think that he like it doesn't sound like he was on anything as like what no and the news of the arrests made
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headlines obviously in all the London papers and especially the tabloids which at the time were yeah and they stoked
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the outrage over this quote drugged up suspect having committed an unprovoked attack mean he lit what worse is he
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wasn't I thought you were going to say he was like blitzed out of his mind and reporters stated the attack had been
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motivated by Peter having been fired by the chefs shortly before the murder occurred but that wasn't accurate no
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Peter had been working more or less informally for the shefs like I said very informally and didn't appear to
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have kept any regular schedule so it wasn't like he was fired he didn't really have a schedule he would just
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kind of work when he worked so this really was unprovoked and he been actively engaging with various members
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of the family up to the week before the attack though it looked like the sheth were you know the shefs were saying it
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looked like he was struggling with symptoms of mental illness in the weeks before the murder or they were concerned
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about his behavior at the they were keeping distance a week after the murder Rita sheth gave a statement to police
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and she described Peter's behavior in the weeks leading up to the attack as very concerning according to Rita she
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said Peter's mood would swing from Cal to violent and he changed his appearance regularly sometimes he would grow a
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beard then shave it off and then he shaved the hair from his head his clothing was sometimes dirty and he
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often smelt as though he was not washing himself one day he smelted strongly of disinfectant as though he was washing
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his face with it he would wander around muttering to himself and when he spoke it was often as though he was talking in
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a language she could not understand and he would repeat a word over and over and
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over again one afternoon he came into the shop saying he felt like killing someone
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Jesus and to me I'm wondering if that appearance change up was to get rid of hair evidence yeah he shaved his head
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and shaved his beard up yeah now in addition to Peter's bizarre and sometimes very unsettling Behavior he
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was also getting very aggressive to the shefs and others in the neighborhood in one incident Peter bragged about quote
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how easy it was to take money from pakistanis in East London Jesus yeah implying that he had been stealing from
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them like he was telling people and bragging about it yeah which to me has like a lot of like um knowledge and
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awareness of what he's doing yeah you know what I mean cuz it's like on one hand like I'm very much sitting here
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prepared to tell me for you to tell me that he's insane yeah but it's like then there's a lot of awareness of his bad
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acts yeah exactly and in another incident a few days later he had been hanging around the shop and for no
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discernable reason he started kicking Rita in The Shins The Mother what and then he
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grabbed he grabbed a belt from the rack and hit her several times in the leg with the Buckle and did they report this
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to anybody well Rita reached for the phone to dial the police but Peter grabbed the phone out of her hang hand
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and hung up and then ran out of the store and about an hour later he came back and asked whether she had called
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the police and she said no and he started apologizing and like freaking out wow so she was like genuinely very
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good to assaulting her he physically assaulted her and she was like don't know what going the police damn in the
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week before nisha's murder Peter's Behavior became even more erratic and at times even more frightening he would
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steal items off the shelf regularly and when he was confronted he would get super aggressive with the person then at
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other times he was like strangely overthe toop kind like one time in the week before the murder now this is a
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week before he's going to murder her ruthlessly yeah he gave Nisha an ornate box fall full of small
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flowers that's terrifying and this struck Rita as very strange because she's like I had never seen him be nice
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or gentle before he's always an [ __ ] right and after giving Nisha the gift Peter didn't return to the shop for a
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week and the next time he saw her he attacked and killed her so he gave her this gift and then the next time he saw
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her was to kill her that's very scary now Peter remained hospitalized for a month following his surgeries and after
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that he was discharged to Brixton prison there's there be a lot of things that make you very angry in this too cuz some
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of this stuff is avoidable MHM within a week of arriving at Brixton he had attacked two fellow inmates on separate
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occasions one was occurring while he was still in a wheelchair Jesus he was in a
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wheelchair and attacked another inmate how I have no idea but the unprovoked attacks led to Peter being evaluated by
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the psychiatric team from Hackney hospital they found him to be paranoid and mistrustful of others and noted
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their concern that there was a strong likelihood that he would or could be violent towards others he is showing
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that he is during his interview with the team from Hackney Peter told the psychiatrist that he had known the chefs
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for many years having started working for them when he was a teenager and that he had a quote love feeling for
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Nisha times but anytime he got close to her he said Rita would make him leave the
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store and according to Peter Nisha shared his feelings like also felt love feelings for him doubt it and would
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touch him sexually but you also said that you didn't have a sexual relationship he was very graphic
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about it yeah um but I will not be reiterating his deranged quote it's fake but when he he said when let he said
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that when he would touch her in response she would quote become frigid and timid
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and run away he's a liar yeah makes any sense yeah in Peter's version of the events on that day of the murder
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remember Peter's version of events he said he had gone to the shop and she began kissing him and said make and this
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is awful yeah and said make me rape me in an intimidating tone okay Peter claimed he had only happened to have a
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hammer with him that day you know cuz just sometimes he goes about with a hammer and they said why did you have a
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hammer and he said I just had one as one does you don't need to have a reason like you don't I don't need to tell you
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why I walked into a store with a hammer can't just have a hammer on me and he said he hadn't intended un assaulting
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Nisha with it he just had it but he believed that she wanted to kill him yep and he said that he believes that
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because um and then he said that he also believed that what she was saying to him
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was that he wanted her to kill her or him to kill her excuse me so he's saying she asked for me to kill her he's saying
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she she wanted me to kill her no and we were it was going to be like a thing no like we were just going to kill each
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other nope and she said I and he said I know that she wanted this in fact cuz she didn't cry out or attempt to fight
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back when I started hitting her in the face with a hammer on might have been unable to because um you
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hit her so hard that her brain tissue came out of her face it's also worth noting that Bobby Chef her brother
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strongly refuted this entire [ __ ] statement and he told the police his sister had been quote screaming in a
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terrified manner so he was like that guy can get [ __ ] yeah and that no he did not walk in and she did not start
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kissing him she was like Bobby was the one that was like he was she was on the phone right like he didn't even look at
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her although the evaluating doctors found Peter to be quiet getting calm during this period they also noted his
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very fragmented and very dulu thinking sounds very dulu yeah and according to the report Peter's train of thought
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would like shift really frequently from one subject to another and there was no obvious connections between them just
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like boom boom boom and during one interview for example he was giving a history of his mental health treatment
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and then he changed the topic mids sentence to tell the psychiatrist about his interests and practices of voodoo
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okay and at the time he also told the doctor that quote dead Souls would sometime listen sometimes listen into
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his conversations and that they hurt him when he was alone he sounds like I'm not
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going to armchair diagnose but I guess I am he sounds schizophrenic they they did
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bring that up at one point he was very hard to diagnose yeah they could they had trouble diagn well he sounds like
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he's got bits and pieces of like everything you know what I mean he seems that way for sure from their interviews
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the evaluating team found him to be someone that was suffering from found delusional and psychotic thinking that
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was frequently paranoid in nature and it appears that he frequently misinterpreted social cues and signals
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from others as well or he just like experienced things in a way that was very inconsistent with reality like he
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was kind of living in on his own plane like he thought Nisha was like so in love with him and she very clearly was
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not wasn't the reality at all but he believed it to he kind of delusionally put that together in his mind although
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his explanation for why he'd gone to the shop day of the murder changed depending
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on when and whom he was telling the story to it appears his intention what he's claiming to be his
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inent in his intentions for going in that day was to end his relationship with Nisha that day okay regardless of
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you know what he believed that relationship was it was not real okay um the relationship he said it had to end
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or move on okay and he told the psychiatrist that his motive was that he said I just couldn't I couldn't stand
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going on with this relationship anymore CU it was too hard and then he said my hand went up and that was
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it none of this makes it any sense and after months of evaluations the psychiatric team were at a complete
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[ __ ] loss for how to diagnose him or how to treat him yeah um one psychiatrist wrote I found his mental
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state hard to assess although I am confident that he suffers from a psychotic illness the symptoms are not
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well defined and I found it impossible to come to a diagnosis despite not being able to arrive at a diagnosis he was
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transferred to rampton hospital which is a high security psychiatric facility and
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nding Hampshire um that's in England whose notable inmates have included Charles Bronson who's a notorious
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criminal a spree killer named Mark R Ron tree and a serial killer Beverly ullet jeez so they have some uh high-profile
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scary people on I guess so ultimately Peter would spend almost 10 years at rampton wow during this time he was a
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frequent [ __ ] problem for the staff that's so surprising I'm shocked yeah exactly his they said it was very clear
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that he had this like grandiose thought process yeah that he would go through and he had very psychotic thinking um in
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fact a nurse wrote violence is a recurring theme in Peter's conversation with his peers and he seems to be
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preoccupied with glamorized violence uh throughout his this time his memory of nisha's murder remained
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distorted he would change it all the the time and his motive for the attack would
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also change at various points so he was just making it up yeah uh and it was always depending who he was talking to
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or how he was feeling that day MH while at rampton he would speak openly about his drug and alcohol abuse prior to
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being arrested and was very again grandio theatrical when describing acts of violence in his past staff
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interpreted it as an attempt to impress the other patients that said it does appear that
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he derived some enjoyment from talking about his past acts of violence that makes sense he would often Smile as he
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spoke of the attack on Nisha that's gross like it made him happy on the other hand when he spoke of the future
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he would become depressed um he understood that he was going to be in the hospital for the
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foreseeable future and he found that distressing mhm in fact during one court appearance in 1994 he expressed
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absolutely no remorse for the murder none but he did regard the event as a matter of great regret as the outcome
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was that he was now crippled and facing a bleak future right so he's upset about
00:28:03
where literally said I don't give a [ __ ] that I did that the only reason I'm upset about it is now I have to deal
00:28:11
with pins in my legs because I jumped off a building and because now I don't know what's going to happen in my future
00:28:16
because of it this is so Bleak yeah in March 1994 he pled not guilty to the charge of murder but he pleaded guilty
00:28:24
to one charge of manslaughter and guilty to a charge of assault for the attack on
00:28:28
Bobby in the years after that he continued exhibiting bizarre behavior and psychotic thinking but the
00:28:34
psychiatrist at rampton could not find a diagnosis either right they were just as
00:28:41
at a loss as the other psychiatric team cuz he takes off a lot of boxes like everywhere and the all across the board
00:28:48
so as a result of them not being able to figure out a diagnosis they found it very difficult to assess his degree of
00:28:56
dangerousness I don't from the side I'm like sounds he sounds dangerous I would take off very dangerous on that box
00:29:04
first of all his first crime like his first crime like on another person was incredibly violent secondly he didn't
00:29:12
regret it no thirdly he continues to attack people violently while incarcerated yeah uh I would say he's
00:29:20
dangerous yeah well and as this is all going on social workers continue to interview Brian's friends and family
00:29:28
looking into his background trying to find anything that might help explain his mental state yeah according to his
00:29:34
sister they had been raised in a home where vience was a regular occurrence that makes sense mostly at the hands of
00:29:39
their father I was very interested to see if there was any information about that now despite this those who knew him
00:29:45
best said that they insisted that Peter had been mostly Pleasant and hard and hardworking child which completely who
00:29:52
the [ __ ] said that yeah he was feeling up girls at school and making people tie
00:29:56
shoes exactly now the first sign of mental illness appears to have been noticed by a family
00:30:03
friend in late 1991 or early 1992 no honey it was way before that the first side of violence was when he came into
00:30:10
this world I feel yeah now according to the young woman Peter began a verbally and physically aggressive to the point
00:30:16
where she felt unsafe around him and at the same time he also started becoming increasingly paranoid and isolated and a
00:30:23
short time later Peter's father confirmed the narrative given by the family friend saying that late 1992 was
00:30:29
the point where Peter's behavior and thinking became obviously troubling to those around him it also makes sense
00:30:35
that that would be the time period where people would notice it like very blatantly because that usually manifests
00:30:41
at a certain period of time yeah in your life like a lot of times it will and that was in his early 20s yeah so it's
00:30:48
like late teens early 20s it's usually like when mental illness presents itself is what you I feel like that's when it
00:30:53
becomes more easily identifiable as that yeah um although he proved to be challenge for the staff at the hospital
00:30:59
he did settle into life at rampton pretty quickly and within a year he was telling his doctors that he preferred it
00:31:06
to life quote on the outside okay cool stay yeah bye um despite his inconsistent commitment to treatment in
00:31:13
1995 he began to recognize his capacity for violence at the very least he would tell Hospital staff that he doesn't
00:31:20
think that he should have a job where there are dangerous Tools around because he said quote I could hit someone well
00:31:26
that's that's good realizing that that's awareness and it's also like kind of sounds like he's like
00:31:32
don't let me out of here exactly which is that's good he's telling you he can't be around tools cuz he'll hit someone
00:31:40
yeah so don't let him out into a world full of tools I feel like they do now unfortunately his progress was
00:31:45
shortlived if that was progress by the summer of 1995 his paranoia had increased and he continued exhibiting
00:31:51
criminal and very deviant Behavior I wonder if he was medicated at all I wonder how they he I wonder even how
00:31:58
would though I know what because they don't know how to treat it but he would expose himself to female
00:32:03
doctors and he burned a member of the cleaning staff with a cigarette geez I feel like it's I hate to even go back
00:32:10
but I feel like when like people expose themselves to other people that's like a
00:32:14
whole other layer of no it is just diabolical yeah it really is that's [ __ ] up cuz it's like this weird
00:32:21
control thing you're not you're taking the choice away from someone else yeah yeah in early 2001 he submitted a
00:32:28
petition to the mental health review tribunal requesting a discharge from rampton honey no or at least a move to a
00:32:34
medium security facility and in their assessment of the evidence presented the tribunal concluded that Peter had made
00:32:41
considerable progress where since entering the hospital in quote as a consequence of the medication oh there
00:32:47
it is the illness was no longer of a nature or degree warranting liability to detention guys is the progress in the
00:32:55
room with us now you should know this is a case that frequently gets cited on like this is like the mental health
00:33:03
failure system was a complete another [ __ ] failure here I mean it was like unbelievable wow on July 12th 2001 he
00:33:13
was transferred to the John Howard Center a transitional program for patients re-entering the community [ __ ]
00:33:20
what where he was going to spend 6 months acquiring the skills necessary to live
00:33:25
independently during this time it appears adapted well to a more independent life however his attitudes
00:33:31
about women and behavior with female members of staff was a big source of concern for his treatment team they were
00:33:37
like it didn't get better like he was yeah so maybe don't put him on the streets then so the nursing staff was
00:33:42
like no like he's going to hurt someone like you can't do this despite them he was discharged from the Howard Center in
00:33:49
early 2002 and moved to River Side a halfway house for those re-entering the community but not requiring
00:33:56
institutional care it's like I am all for people being rehabilitated absolutely I do though believe at the
00:34:02
same time that there are certain people who simply cannot be rehabilitated and it sounds like at some point he didn't
00:34:09
think he yeah he was telling them should have been let out into society if the person who is receiving the treatment is
00:34:15
sitting there telling you this isn't working I shouldn't be around tools I shouldn't be let out and then one day
00:34:21
they say like actually could you let me out you don't immediately say yes exactly like we we keep working exactly
00:34:27
exactly now Peter's time at Riverside was mostly unremarkable as long as he remained medicated his symptoms were
00:34:34
minimal and he was manageable but the medication did little to improve his personality or character he still who
00:34:41
was who he was yeah and staff at the residential facilities continued to struggle with his not even trying to
00:34:48
hide his misogyny like he hated women oh great and his immaturity and just his aggressiveness right in January 2004 he
00:34:56
had hoped to be discharged from intensive treatment and move out of Riverside but that month he was accused
00:35:02
of sexually assaulting a teenage girl resulting in his being transferred to a low security Ward at at New Ham General
00:35:09
Hospital so he sexually assaulted a teenage girl and got moved to a lower security pram no so he was in a halfway
00:35:18
facility and then they put him back into he was out of a facility that was like even really like a highly monitored yeah
00:35:25
okay and while as soon as they let him out of that things were going okay and then he immediately sexually assaulted a
00:35:32
teenage girl so they put him in a low security facility where now he was in a facility like guys now he's moving on
00:35:39
he's like a pedophile well like guys you he just showed you what he'll do when he
00:35:43
leaves so maybe keep him in the high security when people show you who they are believe them maybe like he just
00:35:48
showed you my God now this Ward provided seven uh 247 surveillance and management
00:35:55
of care even though it's low security that's wild but that the low security part was that it was relaxed and the
00:36:00
residents were allowed to come and go as long as they returned by curfew that literally sounds like a
00:36:07
halfway house yeah that doesn't even sound like a [ __ ] program well and it really went bad he should have been in a
00:36:13
high security absolutely on the afternoon of February 17th Peter approached one of the nurses on the ward
00:36:19
and said can I go out and she said sure as long as you're back on time well they
00:36:23
were probably stoked to get him out of there well again he had every right they as long as he's back on time the nurses
00:36:29
had to say sure as long as they weren't acting like they were aggressive right when that same nurse was interviewed
00:36:35
later she described Peter as quote quiet and unassuming with no signs of being unwell he was totally
00:36:41
normal that's even scarier yeah that he walked up to her perfectly calm and said
00:36:46
can I leave and she was like sure well that shows that like he knows he has to be calm to get what he wants right at
00:36:52
the time Peter did not tell the hospital staff where he was going but around 4:30
00:36:56
p.m. CCTV cameras in a London hardware store recording Peter uh show him leaving the store after purchasing a
00:37:05
claw hammer a box cutter and a screwdriver from there he got on a bus and went to the apartment of an
00:37:12
acquaintance of his Brian Cherry now it's unclear how Peter and Cherry had known come to know each other
00:37:20
uh but it seems that they had a friend in common that might have been it this per um this girl was a girl that Peter
00:37:26
had met a year or two earlier um you know I think they all kind of were involved in the same drugs kind of thing
00:37:33
okay and um this girl this friend this Mutual acquaintance would frequently use Brian Cherry's apartment as a place
00:37:40
where she and her friends could spend the day like you know drinking hanging out doing whatever using yeah according
00:37:45
to the NHS reports compiled after the murders the young woman had a history of manipulating Brian Cherry into giving
00:37:52
her money among other things okay so I think that was the kind of relationship that was happening just to give a little
00:37:58
context yeah now Peter arrived at Cherry's apartment around 5:00 p.m. and he was met by Brian Sherry at the door
00:38:04
he let him inside about an hour and a half later Peter and Brian's mutual friend that I just spoke about arrived
00:38:10
at the apartment to deliver Cherry some cigarettes and when she rang the doorbell no one answered so she didn't
00:38:16
get a response but she could hear some moving around in the apartment and she knew the door was damaged and actually
00:38:22
didn't lock properly so she just pushed it open and went into the apartment she said the first thing she noticed when
00:38:27
she entered the apartment was a strong smell of disinfectant oh no and she said that was not something she would smell
00:38:34
in Brian Cherry's apartment so she was a little confused by that uhhuh the girl was startled when Peter Brian appeared
00:38:42
from out of the living room and he was shirtless sweaty and holding a large kitchen knife oh no when the girl asked
00:38:49
where Cherry was Peter told her Brian Cherry is dead and then tried to get her to leave the apartment Okay so just as
00:38:57
he said that the girl looked into the other room behind Peter and saw Brian Cherry lying on the floor from what she
00:39:04
could tell Cherry was naked lying on his back and his right arm had been severed
00:39:09
from his body and was lying a few inches away from him oh my God yeah y um terrified she did her best to
00:39:22
which like good on her she did her best to act very casual CU she didn't want to
00:39:26
upset him mhm and she told Peter you know what um I'm gonna go and I'll see you later and she just left that's wild
00:39:34
that he let her leave like thank goodness that he let her leave but whoo and once outside she ran to her friend's
00:39:39
car and they returned to her mother's house and called the police to report what they had seen when the call went
00:39:44
out over the radio two police constables were actually stationed in their car nearby and they went to investigate when
00:39:51
they arrived at the apartment they knocked loudly on the door several times but no one answered so they forced their
00:39:56
way inside they also could immediately smell overwhelming disinfectant quickly on
00:40:02
that I wonder cuz um Rita had said that he smelled like disinfectant he wash his
00:40:07
face with dis disinfectant I wonder if he also smelled heavily of disinfectant because he had done something like this
00:40:13
before and maybe just wasn't caught somehow maybe you know it's a possibility it's like why do you just
00:40:17
start washing your face with disinfectant I mean he does he's obviously mentally ill so there's reason
00:40:23
something with that but that's interesting you know the [ __ ] mm mhm and I'm also like there's Witnesses now so
00:40:30
like how does how is this going to happen again how is this going to escalate to cannibalism yeah well okay
00:40:36
so they had only taken a few steps inside the apartment when they were confronted by Peter who was still
00:40:41
shirtless and now was covered in blood oh god um assuming Peter to be the victim of the assault at first because
00:40:48
he was covered in blood they asked if he was all right and he said he was and it
00:40:52
was only after Peter explained that he didn't live there that one of the officers started searching around the
00:40:57
department and found Brian Cherry's body in the living room by then Peter had removed Cherry's right leg and it
00:41:05
appears as though he had begun to remove the other leg and was interrupted by the
00:41:09
police oh my God the Constable also noted that Cherry's head and face were completely covered in blood and very
00:41:16
damaged presumably by the claw hammer which was on the floor next to his body oh my God completely stunned brutal yeah
00:41:25
the officers asked Peter whether he was the one who dismembered the body and he replied that he had and when they asked
00:41:32
if Brian Cherry had been alive when Peter arrived he said yes he opened the door to me when I knocked just matter of
00:41:39
a fact Peter also confirmed that he had killed Cherry but didn't seem to know why he had done
00:41:45
it and after being placed in handcuffs he watched as the other officer began walking towards the kitchen and just as
00:41:52
she reached the door the officer he called out to her with a big smirk on his face and said I ate his brain with
00:42:00
butter it was very nice oh he's like with a big smile on his face yeah can you imagine being the
00:42:08
police officer as you're walking into the kitchen no he's like by the way this is what you're going to find and did
00:42:13
they actually find his brain outside of his in the kitchen the officer discovered a horrifying scene a plastic
00:42:22
plate sat beside the stove with what appeared to be flesh with human hair coming from it and on the stove was a
00:42:29
frying pan with a white substance with a yellow tinge to it there was an open tub of
00:42:36
butter near the cooker and lab tests confirmed that the contents of the plate and pan were brain matter and a DNA
00:42:44
workup confirmed the remains were those of Brian Cherry oh my God so he literally fried
00:42:52
up pieces of his brain with butter in his own kitchen holy [ __ ] yeah oh that made me a little nauseous
00:43:01
even blanch was just like excuse me yeah now despite having committed a truly shocking act of violence the officers
00:43:09
noted that Peter was calm as a [ __ ] cucumber remarkably calm he answered all their questions honestly and to the best
00:43:18
of his ability though he seemed confused about some aspects of the incident he said I wanted to carry him out bit by
00:43:24
bit and got and get rid of the body I used to Stanley knife to cut them off and some other kitchen knives but I had
00:43:30
to stomp on them to break the bone oh [ __ ] yeah a few days later when the autopsy was conducted the technician
00:43:37
confirmed that Sherry's limbs had been quote partly s saw off and partly fractured by use of force oh
00:43:44
yeah so as they sat waiting for the police fan to arrive and transport Peter to the hospital the Constable tried
00:43:51
again to understand why the [ __ ] he did this cuz he was just like giving the nonsense and this time all he said was I
00:43:58
wanted his soul oh he's so scary like that is so scary just devoid of all Humanity yeah
00:44:07
like truly now obviously the news of Brian Cherry's murder was picked up by most
00:44:13
news outlets around in and around London none of them being able to resist talking about the cannibalism aspect of
00:44:20
it police and a forensic team worked for more than a full day processing the scene and reporters were like all
00:44:26
assembled out side at one point one particularly shocked police officer fled the apartment and told reporters it's
00:44:32
horrible it's terrible in there I mean yeah now after being cleared by the medical examiner to ensure that he
00:44:38
hadn't suffered any physical injuries Peter was taken to the John Howard Center he was evaluated there by
00:44:43
multiple psychiatrists trying to figure out what the [ __ ] is going on and whether he was fit to even be
00:44:50
interviewed by police in his mental state and he was cleared to be interviewed uh he was transferred to the
00:44:57
custody of of the justice system and charged with Cherry's murder but in the weeks that followed his mental health
00:45:02
gradually declined and by midm March it was apparent to the staff at the jail that he was actually getting more
00:45:09
violent and more unwell in that environment and they were like we should get him out of here so after a brief
00:45:14
psychiatric evaluation again the doctors at Pentonville prison agreed and on April 15th 2004 he was transferred to
00:45:22
Broadmore Hospital oh we've heard of Broadmore before just 10 days after ding at Broadmore Peter got into an
00:45:29
altercation with an inmate named Richard loudell he was had been awaiting his own
00:45:34
trial for a charge of murder as well it's unclear exactly what happened here but at some point the argument escalated
00:45:41
and Brian severely beat loudell who died from his injuries later my God when he was questioned about the attack Peter
00:45:49
told investigators his only regret was that he quote was discovered before he had tasted his flesh oh I ha it yeah I
00:45:58
feel like he also is not just saying like I don't think he genuin I think maybe part of him means that but I also
00:46:04
think he's saying things to shock and upset people I think so too it has that vibe to it it does like I I mean
00:46:10
obviously he did he was cannibalistic when it came to one of the murders but so obviously he enjoyed that but I think
00:46:18
the shock Factor fed him too now the murder of Brian Cherry horrified the public yeah not only because of the
00:46:24
whole cannibalism aspect but also because of Brian's criminal history and long history of mental instability why
00:46:31
the [ __ ] was he out about right in a statement to the Press prosecuting attorney afab jaffery said the last two
00:46:38
killings have taken place when the defendant was under the care of the mental health regime which has
00:46:43
manifestly failed to protect the public yeah like what the [ __ ] are you guys doing they [ __ ] up absolutely they did
00:46:49
and in fact the case highlighted the serious deficiencies in the nation's dysfunctional mental health system and a
00:46:56
lot of people were p pissed off that a clearly unstable man was allowed to just be transitioned back into the community
00:47:02
yeah in the NHS evaluation that was conducted years later several of the doctors and nurses on Peter's team
00:47:09
refuted the press and Public's claims that they had let an obviously dangerous person out into the street with no plan
00:47:14
which I'm like huh how do you even refute that yeah one of Brian's psychiatrists said when he is relapsing
00:47:21
he can appear appear relatively free of symptoms much of the time in my view this is a measure of how when psychotic
00:47:27
he can appear relatively normal while remaining capable of extreme and unpredictable violence and it's like
00:47:33
yeah but why didn't you kind of like grab on to that right like you so you know that that's good you've seen that
00:47:40
but it's too late don't allow him to go out and about town may maybe maybe take some more time to figure out what that
00:47:47
pattern is right now in fact it was later noted that his ability to project a sense of stability and appear you know
00:47:53
quote unquote normal is among the things that make him so Danger yeah now fortunately for the victim's
00:47:59
friends and family um Peter did plead guilty to two charges of manslaughter for the murders of Brian cherry and
00:48:05
Richard loudell which had been reduced from the original charges of murder because of his obvious diminished
00:48:11
capacity sure this spared everyone the pain of of a very Sensational trial yeah I mean it would have that the
00:48:19
cannibalism part it would have gotten out of control poor Brian's family did not need to deal with that and it was
00:48:24
just moved right into the penalty phase March 25th 2005 a sentencing hearing was
00:48:29
held at the Old Bailey in London we heard that before um after the hearing afab jaffery emphasized that this was
00:48:37
not only a case of failure on the part of the mental health system but also a situation in which the offender was
00:48:43
thoroughly unpredictable and dangerous he said the circumstances of this offending his mental condition the
00:48:49
inability of experts to detect when he is at its most dangerous and his settle desire to cannibalize his victims all
00:48:57
combined to make him so uniquely dangerous that the life sentence to be to be imposed should be a whole life
00:49:02
sentence yeah agreed like you guys probably should have started with that he literally walked into a store and
00:49:08
attacked two people with hammers one of them being child he was a teenager right
00:49:13
and I like that that he said all of that like he said he has a mental condition he is mentally ill yes there is an
00:49:21
inability among experts around him to even diagnose him or to tell when he is at his most most dangerous cuz he's that
00:49:27
good at masking it that's terrifying and then there's the third aspect he's a cannibal right and he seems to like it
00:49:34
and he has now had a taste uhhuh it's like when like a dog gets a taste of human flesh you know what I mean like
00:49:41
it's not a good thing for an animal to get a taste no of that you know and I'm glad that he put all the like those are
00:49:47
all parts of why he needs to be away for life he can't come out now after hearing
00:49:53
from both sides just Giles for Forester agreed with the prosecution and sentenced Peter Brian to two life
00:49:59
sentences and said that Brian would never be released into the community again good he said you killed on these
00:50:05
last two occasions because it gave you a thrill and a feeling of power when you ate flesh MH the violence on each
00:50:11
occasion was extreme and unpredictable accompanied by bizarre and sexual overtones yep ultimately the inquiry
00:50:18
into the failures of the mental health system concluded that the conditions and poor Staffing at Broad Merit War
00:50:24
hospital and other agencies in London were major contributing factors to the murders of cherry and loudell I would
00:50:31
say so but that quote there was no particular failure by any individual professional that's actually uh wrong
00:50:38
fundamentally WR so we're not going to point fingers also the report noted that Peter Brian presented with an atypical
00:50:44
mental illness and symptoms that made it difficult to determine his capacity for
00:50:48
violence in any given moment right so if somebody's that unpredictable don't let
00:50:53
them on the street well that's what I don't get I'm like I I get that you're saying I get it you couldn't diagnose
00:50:58
him he's he seems undiagnosable I get that I'm not disputing that at all that should I'm not a mental health
00:51:04
professional you further to keeping him incarcerated but that's the thing it's like if you are having trouble figuring
00:51:09
out any of his patterns or any kind of thing that's a sign that you have not learned enough to release him right it's
00:51:16
better to keep him in there and figure it out yes than to release him and have all this happen absolutely it is so uh
00:51:23
what this uh inquiry the report said was he did not display the usual and expected signs of schizophrenia and
00:51:30
appeared to behave normally even when seriously mentally unwell other than a couple of minor incidents during his
00:51:36
early years at rampton hospital Peter Bryan had not displayed any signs of aggressive or violent Behavior since he
00:51:42
killed Nisha cheth that's not true fundamentally untrue that's them trying to save their ass yeah exactly on the
00:51:50
matter of the loudell murder the panel was much more critical the evidence suggested that Peter had planned to kill
00:51:56
CLW yeah he went to the store it actually said for some it was planned for some time before the attack and he
00:52:02
had been waiting for a suitable opportunity to do it absolutely he had waited until they were alone in an area
00:52:07
of the ward that would not be easily seen by any of the nine staff members on duty and when he engaged loudell in an
00:52:14
argument that eventually LED his death to his death no one was around to stop him and he knew that yeah the report
00:52:20
also alleged there were deficiencies in many aspects of the care provided to both Richard loudell and Peter briyan
00:52:26
shortcomings at every level within the trust the evidence tends to suggest that a weakness in the structure and
00:52:32
performance of management at all levels may have contributed to the context which permitted the deficient
00:52:38
performance in Lutton Ward at the time in the end no individual practitioners were held responsible for cherry or loud
00:52:45
Well's deaths as of today Peter Bryan is still in Broadmore and will likely stay
00:52:51
there for the rest of his life let's hope yeah but no one else was held accountable for that up yeah they should
00:52:57
have been 100% they should have been like come on like that was a clear [ __ ] up defect in the system absolutely that
00:53:05
was going on but it's a horrifying case I wonder if they're still working to diagnose him because I'd be very to see
00:53:13
what the [ __ ] is going on in his brain I feel like he's a whole he could be a whole new entry into the DSM yeah honly
00:53:21
there might not be an illness that we have identified quite what he is maybe or he could be a combination of multiple
00:53:28
illnesses yeah which like creates a new one right right you know it's so scary that's
00:53:33
terrifying yikes uh that was a bizarre case and truly horrifying I really dislike talking about cannibalism yeah
00:53:42
um which is weird because we're going to do a lot of that this week but yeah uh everybody go touch grass yeah and we
00:53:49
hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it but not weird that you don't touch grass every now and again do it
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