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Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. >> And I'm Elena. >> And this is Morbid. This is morbid. And we're going back to
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the 18 [ __ ] hundreds today. >> Oh, it's old timey. >> We haven't done it in a little bit. In a
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minute. >> [ __ ] go. >> Haven't been in the 1800s for a minute. Let's go. >> And this one's crazy.
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>> Tell me, sister. >> Um, first of all, it really upset me today because Ice used a 5-year-old kid
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as bait. >> There is actually people don't know if he's five or if he's four. >> Okay. A tiny little
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>> beautiful boy in his little backpack with a bunny >> hat on. >> A little hat. And if those images don't
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[ __ ] your entire world up, then I don't understand your life. >> No. >> Um, so just wanted to start with that.
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>> The thing is, I think a good ass majority of people are upset. I think people who are not upset are luckily in
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the minority, but it's wild that they exist. >> Yeah. Cuz I can't imagine looking at the
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photos of that little boy standing there with his little backpack knocking on his front door while an ICE
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agent is literally crouched next to him. >> Yeah. Waiting to ruin his entire family.
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>> I don't understand be looking at that and not feeling anything. So that's I just had to get that out cuz that image
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has really a lot of things has bothered me, but that one just really got me today.
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>> Yeah, that's definitely something that would get you. >> So yeah, [ __ ] that [ __ ] And um I really
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hope everything gets better, man. And if you're in Maine right now, hang tight. I
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hope I hope you guys are all right there. >> And um and if you're in the south, good
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luck with this storm. >> Yeah, that's the other thing. There's a [ __ ] huge winter storm happening. And
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I know we're going to be getting like up here in Massachusetts, we're going to get mostly just a lot of snow.
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>> Um but I think in the south, it's going to be like a ton of ice storms. Yeah.
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Um, and so like I think there's going to be a ton of power outages just so just be careful.
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>> Yeah, it's going to be gnarly. So >> hopefully everybody that I keep seeing people being like and like
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meteorologists and [ __ ] saying it's like a once in a generation type of storm and
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I'm like what? >> That's insane. >> What the [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> Uh, so stock up if you can.
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>> Get the bread and the milk. Get the bread and the milk. It's not a joke. Really do it. Get the bread and the
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milk. >> Um, and get some water and all that good stuff. Stock up if you can. Yeah, I got
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a few gallons. >> And yeah, I hope everybody I hope we come back next week and we're like,
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>> wasn't that was a fun little winter storm right now, right? >> And maybe ice will be abolished once
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that's over. >> Once ice will melt. >> So that's all of the ice willl away. >> That's what we hope. Uh but yeah, so I
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just had to had to mention that adorable little boy and >> um we wanted to tell you to be safe in
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the winter storm that's a coming. >> Yeah. >> Uh and also uh Ghost is >> is touring again right now.
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>> We're supposed to go to a show and I really hope they are I hope they're being safe when they travel because
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they're kind of traveling like with the storm. They're in the eye of the storm. So, be careful, Ghost.
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>> Yeah, >> if you're listening, Ghost, as a whole, be careful. >> I know. >> Um, but yeah, I think that's really all
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the >> all the updates, unless you got anything. >> Harry Styles is releasing new music
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tomorrow. >> Well, there you go. >> Hello. >> There you go. What's the name of the
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album? >> Um, Kiss All the Time, Disco Occasionally. >> That's a great name. >> Great name. Great advice. Words to live
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by. >> There you go. >> Kiss all the time. >> Discoally. You you didn't get to see this, but Ash
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did a disco move while she said that. >> Yeah, you better disco occasionally. And
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I don't know I I don't know if they said the song name that's being um released tomorrow, but I have a doctor's
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appointment in the morning and I'm going to that's going to sing me there. Get you ready. Let's go.
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>> I like it. See, that's a good thing. >> Yeah. >> That's positive. >> Harry. >> Harry.
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>> I'm so excited. >> Well, you know who we're going to talk about right now that's completely the
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opposite of Harry Styles? >> A woman named Lizzy. >> Lizzy Halliday. >> That's all I knew. also known as the
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worst woman on earth. >> The worst woman on earth. Literally deemed the worst woman on earth.
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>> I feel like so many women probably including ourselves have been deemed the worst woman on earth. It's true. But she
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might be Liz. Lizzy uh she's a good contender. >> Okay. All right. >> She's up there.
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>> You don't feel like we're good contenders? >> But I feel like honestly we're all good
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contenders, you know. >> Uh but you know what? She was known as the worst woman on earth and ended up
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being the first woman ever to be sentenced to die in the electric chair. >> Oh [ __ ]
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>> Yeah. Sentenced. >> I saw I heard that heard that little emphasis. >> So, let's get into this, shall we?
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>> We shall, [ __ ] >> Um, so Lizzy Holidayiday, who was she? >> I don't know. >> Who was Who who was Lizzy?
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>> I only know the two things you just told me so far. >> Well, she was born Eliza McN.
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>> Make that three. So, she was born Elijah McNal in County Atram, Ireland in 1864.
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>> Oh, an Irish. >> We got an Irish. >> I don't know why I rolled it. I liked it. Uh, Lizzie was one of nine children.
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Her parents were John and Pam McN. >> The McN decided to leave Ireland for the US after dealing with more than a decade
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of the potato famine and the oppressive British occupation in Ireland. So they buy
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>> they arrived in Philadelphia in 1867 and they left part of their family in Ireland which was very common.
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>> Yeah. >> Um and they were hoping to make enough money that they could send for the rest
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of their family. >> Yeah. I feel like that happens so freaking now. Once they got there, John
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McN found a job as a laborer and Pam got a job as a barmaid in a pub owned by family friends, the McQuillins.
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>> They'll come back. Remember them. >> Okay. McQuillins. They were actually doing pretty well financially, but they
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were working their butts off. And with this influx of income, they were able to send for the rest of their children to
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come live with them pretty quickly, which is great. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. Within a few years, John and Pam
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had not only saved enough money to bring all their family over from Ireland, but
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also to relocate them to a less densely populated region of the Northeast, eventually settling in Newberg, New York
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in 1872. >> All right. Yeah. They had a home that was not far from the McQuillins who also relocated
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to that area. >> I remembered them. >> Remember them. Continue to remember them.
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>> I will. >> Now, newly arrived in the United States, Lizzy, who was then known as Maggie.
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>> Okay. >> So, her name is Eliza called Lizzy, also known as Maggie. >> Makes sense.
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>> Yeah. Uh she focused hard on her schooling and, you know, she really helped her parents out around the house.
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She was just she was great that way. And by the time she was 14, she started dating Nathaniel McQuillin.
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>> Okay. >> But they broke up sometime in 1879 when the McN relocated again. >> Damn, they do be moving.
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>> They do. They ended up moving further up the river into the Hudson Valley in Greenwich, which was a small village
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along the border with Vermont. At this point, Lizzie had finished her schooling and was now pretty much expected to find
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work to help support the family or go find a husband and settle down and start her own family. Lizzie decided she
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wanted to go out and find work for herself. So, she started a series of jobs, mainly as a domestic worker for
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some of the wealthier families in the area. >> Now, this is when some behaviors began
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to emerge that now would likely be recognized as symptoms of a severe mental illness.
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>> Okay. She's like late teens, early 20s. >> Yeah. >> Checks. According to author Kevin Owen,
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some relatives and employers reported at times she would make poor choices and destructive decisions which would
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alienate her employers, her family, and everyone she came into contact with. >> So everyone
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>> Yeah. >> So literally all the people. >> Okay. >> In a report given to the press after
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Lizz's arrest, one of her former employers told the press that Lizz's employment started well and she
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performed like pretty satisfactorily. But at the end of the third week, quote, "Something went wrong with the baking."
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The employer called Maggie's attention to it mildly, whereupon she flew into a violent passion, using violent vile
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language to her mistress, whom she threatened to have arrested at once. Whoa. >> Yeah. She said, "I made it nice."
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>> She did. Now, according to a lawyer familiar with her behavior at the time, he said, quote, "She seemed to know the
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difference between right and wrong, but was quite indifferent as to which turned
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up first." That's scary. >> And that's the thing. She is very mentally ill. >> Like that is clear through this.
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>> But you can tell she makes moves that are very cunning and are and are very much used to keep herself from being
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caught. >> Right. >> So there is that idea that she is sane, but she's got a severe mental illness
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for sure. >> She would often get fired for things like stealing or violent or verbally
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abusive behavior. She even threatened a child with a knife. Oh my god. Lizzy Maggie.
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>> For unknown reasons, Lizzy Maggie. >> And at the time, Lizz's relationship with her family also, as you can
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probably guess, started to deteriorate. Okay. >> Yeah, I know. It's crazy. >> She was It was thriving.
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>> According to her brother, John, quote, "She was inclined so much to quarreling
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that the family all disowned her. She could not stay in a place anytime when working out on account of her violent
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temper." So later down the line after she was arrested and put on trial, which we'll get to, more information about
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Lizz's behavior during this period started to come to light, >> okay? >> Painting a very scary but very sad
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picture of a woman who was clearly losing her grip on reality and losing her ability to control her increasingly
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aggressive behavior. >> Okay. >> On top of this, her work was tied to her place to live cuz she was a domestic
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worker. >> So if she was fired, she was kicked out of the home and needed to find somewhere
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to stay. She got fired a lot. So, a lot of instability here. And that doesn't help mental health either.
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>> No, of course not. >> When she was evicted in 1879, her sister Martha said Maggie from this time on
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became so reckless in her conduct, especially in her dealings with men, that her employer had to deny her the
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house, leaving her both unemployed and homeless. >> Damn, that's that's sad. So, she
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couldn't hold a job for very long. I mean, the thing is like she she was clearly mentally ill, but like I said,
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she was also being very destructive and very aggressive and very violent. >> Yeah. She's going after children with
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knives. So, like that's not great. >> You're getting kicked out for a reason, >> right? It's not like they just don't
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like her. >> Exactly. Now, she couldn't hold a job for very long. So, she sought out the
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only viable path for women in the late 19th century. And in 1879, she married Charles Hopkins, a carpenter who was
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very much older than her. >> Oh. She was 20 years old at the time. Um, there's not a lot that's known about
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the marriage or really Hopkins himself because again, this is a long time ago, but it is believed from some digging
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that he was a deserter from the British Army who was living under the name Keatspool Brown when he and Lizzie
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married. >> All righty. >> Although he did officially make his living as a carpenter, Kevin Owens, who
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we uh we will link in the show notes, he said he also had a history of shady and
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criminal behavior. her. And in one instance, he romanced a local married woman and convinced her to steal money
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from her employer for him. >> Damn. >> He ended up receiving $200 from the woman in the 1800s.
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>> That's a lot of money. >> And then just skipped out on the relationship. >> Oh, so he was only romancing her for for
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himself. >> Oh, yeah. >> For his own [ __ ] >> So after her arrest and incarceration
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later, Lizzy explained that Hopkins quote always had some woman coming about and visiting with whom he had once been
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acquainted. Oh, that's shitty. >> Hopkins was making it seem like he was just manipulating these women for money,
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but he was also trying to make Lizzie feel like it wasn't a mistress situation, which it was pretty much
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both. >> Yeah. >> But either way, Lizzy was clearly understandably very jealous of this.
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>> Curiously >> and a little suspiciously, >> Hopkins acquaintance there, the woman
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was found dead in her bed not long after this began. >> Hello, 911. Yeah, >> I'd like to report a tip. She was found
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with a bottle of poison on the nightstand beside her. And under the circumstances, the death was ruled a
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suicide, but no note was ever found. >> Weird. >> And aside from the position by the bed,
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there was no other evidence to indicate she had taken her own life. >> Ooh, I don't like that.
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>> And when you look at what Lizzie does later, it's a little interesting. >> Oh, so it could have been Lizzy.
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>> It could have been either one, I think. >> So, like it could have been Charles or
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it could have been Lizzy. >> Damn. Now, in interviews, Lizzie frequently referred to Hopkins as quote
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a bad man. And following the death of his mistress, he quote was never happy afterwards. And I heard him say often he
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was tired of living. >> Oh. >> So, it was like he was just manipulating her for money. Huh.
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>> Yeah. >> Which that makes me think >> it was Lizzy perhaps. >> Now, whatever. Allegedly.
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>> Don't come after us, Lizzy. >> Yeah. Lizzy from the 1800s. Whatever the case, Hopkins and Lizzie were married
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and Lizzie became pregnant pretty soon after. >> Oh, I don't love that. Just because of
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the situation that we have at hand. >> Yeah. And she eventually gave birth to a boy, Charles Jr. And she appears to have
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possibly suffered from either postpartum depression or maybe just a worsening of
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her like symptoms that she already had. Yeah. >> According to her sister Martha, she
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never, and this is a quote, she never acted right after her boy was born. She acted so strangely that sometimes I
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would be frightened. I didn't know what ailed her because obviously they didn't know anything of this.
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>> Scary. >> During this period, Lizzie claimed to experience, among other things, quote,
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singing in her ears. >> Oh. >> And seeing lights around the house that no one else could see.
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>> That feels like more than just postpartum. >> Yeah. Seems like psychosis. >> Yeah.
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>> Now, Lizzie claimed that throughout their marriage, Hopkins was physically and verbally abusive, frequently
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threatening her life. And in 1881, Hopkins died from what Lizzie claimed was typhoid fever, but there was no
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evidence to support that claim. >> Oh no. >> Following her arrest, Liz later Lizzie
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was emphatic in her insistence that she had nothing to do with his death. But the doctor that examined his body stated
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that while he did have a fever at the time of his death, quote, "His demise was caused by extensive throat and lung
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irritation from inhaling small particles of bristle." And he did work in a brush
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factory. Okay. >> Um, so it seemed a little plausible and it was widely accepted at the time, but
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years later, suspicion did fall on Lizzy for his death when his physician reported that Charles had confessed
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having some fear of his wife and believed she might one day kill him. >> Oh, [ __ ]
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>> Yeah. >> So, it's like, did she or did life just catch up with her? >> Exactly. It could have been either one.
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Now a widow, Lizzie and her son Charlie moved back to Greenwich and found a room
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above the shop of a local blacksmith. Not long after moving back to the village, she met her second husband,
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Artemis Brewer. >> Artemis. >> Artemis, a disabled Civil War veteran who required two crutches to walk and
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suffered from several other ailments. According to Owen, Brewer was quote, "An unusually short man with an enormous,
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disproportionate head and had long, scraggly, unckempt whisper whiskers and very large feet." That's a read and a
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half. >> What a description. >> The library is open. >> What a description. Damn, [ __ ]
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You really got me at an unusually large head >> and just like real big feet. >> Oh,
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>> and unckempt whiskers. >> Really short. >> Yeah. >> So, the marriage lasted less than a year
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and came to an end when Brewer died unexpectedly in the night. >> Years later, Brewer's doctor would tell
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others that he suspected that he had been poisoned with the opiumbased medicine he took for his pain.
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>> Oh, >> but Lizzie maintained it was edema that killed him. >> Sure. When anyone asked, she would say
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it can be proved how he died. It was dropsy. Dropsy of the heart. The doctor will tell you.
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>> Everything was dropsy back then. >> Yeah. Dropsy is basically edema. >> So in her version of events, Lizzie
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claimed her second husband was quote a bad old man who was inclined to let me support him.
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>> Okay. Have a lot of means of supporting her. So, >> and as she told it, she was a victim of
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Brewer's abuse and unreasonable demands and expectations. But everyone else in Greenwich were like, "No, we don't
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remember it that way." >> Oh, >> and this is actually really sad. Owen writes, quote, "It was not uncommon to
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see Lizzy in public pulling Brewer's hair or beard, yelling viciously at her husband and even beating him with his
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own cane. >> I'll get her ass." >> Right. >> Not our short king. >> Not our Not Artemis.
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>> No. You know, also she would hide, this is so sad, she would hide or withhold
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his pain medication and seem to delight in causing him distress or unc discomfort.
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>> She's [ __ ] up. >> That's the thing. Reports from Artemis' brother, Albert, seem to confirm this,
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with Albert telling authorities that on a number of occasions, he'd heard Lizzie
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threaten his brother's life. Oh, the timing and manner of death was definitely suspicious, particularly
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since he'd seen his doctor one day earlier and was found to be in reasonably good health.
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>> Yeah, I feel like if he had edema, the doctor would probably notice that. >> Yeah. Now, very little time had passed
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after Artemis' death when Lizzie took up with a new man. >> Damn, she is young and getting it.
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>> And she can get him to marry her real fast. >> We all know a lady like that. >> Yep. Now, a widowerower name, this was a
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widowerower named Hyram Parkinson. The two met through Lizz's cleaning lady, and the relationship moved quickly, like
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they all are, with Parkinson moving into the room above the blacksmith shop and proposing marriage within the span of
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like a couple of months. >> Jesus Christ. >> Um, but unbeknownst to Lizzy, Hyram
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wasn't so much a widowerower as he was estranged, but very much still married to his first wife, Ada Gun.
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>> A flander. >> A philander. So, unaware of this fact, Lizzie accepted the proposal and they
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married. And shortly after that, they moved to Arlington, Vermont. According to Owen, the marriage ran into trouble
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in like 5 months basically when Hyram told Lizzie he was going on a short trip to visit his children back in Greenwich
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for Christmas. >> Mhm. >> Lizzy said, "Fuck no, you're not. That's too expensive, and I don't want you
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leaving." And a physical altercation ensued. >> She said, "You're not going to go see
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your ho ass kids on Christmas." >> That's exactly what she said. >> It was during the argument when Hyram
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went to collect his money for the trip. Oh, >> that he realized Lizzie had stolen the
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$180 he had saved. >> What a [ __ ] >> So, he immediately went to his lawyer and was like, "What the [ __ ] can I do
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about this?" >> Yeah. >> Days later, Lizzie was confronted by the authorities and admitted to stealing the
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money, saying she'd given it to another lawyer for safekeeping. >> But it's not yours, babe.
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>> No. Parkinson called off the relationship immediately and told Lizzie he was going to see his family and they
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would be getting divorced as soon as he got back. >> I'm like, does your marriage even count?
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Well, before he could return, Lizzie packed up everything and sold the entire house and everything in it.
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>> The 1800s go crazy. >> Like furniture, fixtures, sold all of it. >> What the And
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>> she said, "Buy it as is, baby." >> Yeah. And then she left town. >> What? >> Yeah. Since Parkinson was already
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married though, when Lizzie married him, like you just asked, the marriage was never legal. And so she it was
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immediately dissolved and they just never spoke again. >> All righty. Well, he made it out alive.
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>> Like damn. So after her marriage to Parkinson fell apart in 1886, Lizzie returned to Greenwich and found work as
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a wash woman. >> And then she found another man. >> One day, not long after returning, she
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was visited by George Smith. >> Another one. >> Another one. A former friend of her
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first husband, Charles Hopkins. >> Really? >> He'd served in the army with him and was
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at his bedside when Hopkins died. According to Lizzie, quote, "George Smith brought me his laundry, and in a
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few weeks, he wanted me to marry him." >> Wow. >> He was an old soldier and drew a
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pension, so I married him. >> That [ __ ] was rich. >> He had money, so I married him. Little
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is known about this marriage, but there is documentation from this period that indicates that her bizarre and violent
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behavior maybe got a little worse. >> That's nuts. I didn't expect that. >> Yeah. In July 1886, Lizzie was arrested
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and charged with assault and battery after she forcibly entered the home of Mary Behinger, a local woman. And this
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woman, I guess, uh, Smith had her husband now, had been staying with her for a period of time and had left a
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large feather bed in her home. >> Okay. >> And Lizzy wanted to get that feather bed
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back. According to the complaint, Lizzie showed up at Behringer's door on July 24th and after telling the woman, quote,
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"By God, I'm going to have that feather bed." She pushed her way into the Can't say I wouldn't say this.
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>> Mary to the floor, dragged the bed onto the street, and tore it in the process,
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and feathers went everywhere. >> She said, "I got to have it." >> She said, "That's my feather bed." I
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don't know why. It just reminded me of that Big Edge video where she's like, "You got to have it."
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>> Feather ass bed. >> It's true. >> What the [ __ ] Like just by God. >> By God, I must have it. And then she
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just knocked Mary onto the ground and heave hoed that bed right outside >> and feathers went everywhere.
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>> So she got that feather ass bed, but she was that feather ass bed. That feather
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ass bed doesn't seem like the best. >> You got to sew that feather ass bed. You did a lot to get it.
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>> Yeah, >> but she got charged for assault and battery for that. >> You can't be pushing people.
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>> Now, within days of their wedding, Lizz's relationship had turned predictably violent and abusive. No way.
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>> And she had once again started seeing Hyram Parkinson. >> Who's that again? There's so many of
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them. >> Whose [ __ ] she sold? >> Wait, like whose whole >> What? With the ho ass kids. He forgave
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her for selling his whole home. What does this woman have? And that man is forgiving her.
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>> Yeah. On nights when Lizzie would So Lizzie would sneak out to see Hyram while being married to George.
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>> Okay. >> Who has the feather ass bed. >> Does he really? Cuz I think it exploded.
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>> On nights when Lizzie would sneak out, George would send the police out to look
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for her. >> But other >> No. No. No. No. What are you going to say? What are you
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>> But other than reporting back that she was with Hyram, there was nothing they
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could do. So they would just go back to him and be like, "She a hoe. She's with Hyram, but like we can't go get her.
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Like she's a grown ass adult. Like that's it." So before long, Lizzie had tired of George and seemed more
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interested in reconciling with Hyram, >> but now she's got to get divorced. >> But of course, she was still married to
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George Smith and she had to end that relationship. So one morning, George sat down to eat breakfast and Lizzy had
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prepared the breakfast. >> No, thank And he became a little suspicious cuz she was like, "Hey, drink
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your tea." And he was like, "I will." And she was like, "Drink your [ __ ] tea."
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>> We say it all the time. You had to be so careful of this [ __ ] back then. You got
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to be on your toes about poisoning. >> Yeah. And what's wild is George was like, "You put milk and sugar in it.
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That's not really how I take my tea, so I'm good." Like, he was like, "I don't really want that." And she was like,
00:23:31
"Eat your food and drink your tea or I will throw that feather ass bed outside." Like she was pissed.
00:23:38
>> She said, "I'll explode that [ __ ] all over again." >> So in order to appease his wife and he
00:23:42
was like, "She wouldn't do anything. I just want to, you know, I'm suspicious, but that's just me being kooky."
00:23:47
>> Like, "Baby girl, she you literally just had those feelings two seconds ago."
00:23:52
>> She He took a large drink of the tea and almost immediately started getting ill.
00:23:57
After thinking over the entire scenario, he was like, "You you poisoned me. >> Yeah, go make yourself.
00:24:04
>> You poisoned me." And you know what her reply was? >> She said, "If I did it,
00:24:08
>> ready for it?" She said, "And then ran from the room." >> That's what happened.
00:24:17
>> She lulled and left. >> She said, and then just ran. That's so sc That's And he's sitting there like,
00:24:25
"Am I about to die? just dry heaving tea. >> Oh, you got to throw up, babe. >> And she's she's ling. She's ling and
00:24:33
leaving. >> Lols out the door. Just gone. >> What? >> So, George Smith was able to get a
00:24:39
neighbor for help. Was like, "Hi, help. >> What do you even do when you've been poisoned?"
00:24:43
>> And they went to the doctor and George was given a solution to puke out whatever had caused the sick hippoc.
00:24:49
>> Uh both the doctor and the authorities searched for the tea to try to find what
00:24:54
he had consumed. But both the tea and Lizzy disappeared. >> Oh, she took it while she lled.
00:24:58
>> Yeah, she said, "You can't have that tea." >> She lled and left and took the tea.
00:25:01
>> She lled and then she took the tea. She returned home a few days later and offered no explanation for anything.
00:25:08
>> What? >> Would not tell him about poisoning him and would not say where she had been.
00:25:14
>> Okay. You could just leave and stay gone. >> George forgave her. >> That's a That's a nice man.
00:25:23
>> He forgive you, George. Okay. And then a few days later, >> she poisons him again.
00:25:28
>> He returns home in the evening and found the house was locked and no one was inside. So he had to make his way
00:25:35
through a window in his own house to get inside. And he was shocked to find that
00:25:39
Lizzy was not there. She had disappeared. And this time she'd stolen everything that he owned. Even his
00:25:46
feather ass bed. Even his feather ass bed. No. >> And he never saw her again. And that's
00:25:53
why you don't forgive people. Do not forgive people for tale. No, not even for just don't forget.
00:25:59
>> Just a blanket statement. Don't forgive people. >> Don't forget. And don't forget forgive
00:26:05
cuz you'll lose your feather ass bed and you'll lose your feather ass head. >> It's right. It's right.
00:26:09
>> You might get poisoned. >> It's true. Now, it turned out that after abandoning George Smith and absconding
00:26:15
with his belongings and money, >> I love that word. I looked that up the other day. In fact,
00:26:20
>> you did. I thought of it. That's funny. >> Lizzy fled to Bellow's Fall, Vermont,
00:26:24
which is a small town along the New Hampshire border. Before long, she took up with a local painter by the name of
00:26:30
Charles Playell, and the couple were soon married. She said, "Paint me on this feather.
00:26:35
>> I got a feather ass bed. >> You want to paint me on it?" >> Almost nothing is known about this
00:26:40
relationship, but just two weeks after the marriage, she packed up her son and left. They just left.
00:26:45
>> Oh my god. I forgot she has a whole ass child. >> Has a whole ass child. >> Didn't say a word to anyone. and just
00:26:50
said leaving 2 weeks after. >> Oh no doll. >> Now years later after her arrest and
00:26:55
trial, authorities tried to locate Play Stell who she had married. >> Yeah. The painter.
00:27:01
>> They couldn't find anyone in Vermont living under that name and he was never remembered by anyone in Bellow's Falls.
00:27:08
>> I'm deeply obsessed with that. >> Right. That lore. >> Deeply deeply obsessed with that.
00:27:13
>> I feel like that's like a separate lore that needs to be looked into. Or do you
00:27:17
think that any of that ever happened? >> Yeah. >> Could that could that just be in Lizz's
00:27:23
memory? >> I don't think I feel like she really did. I feel like he exists and we just
00:27:28
got to find him, you know? >> Maybe. >> Now, previously when Lizz's relationships or jobs had fallen apart,
00:27:34
she would just kind of return to the familiarity of Greenwich. >> But by the time she abandoned Charles
00:27:39
play style, she caused so much havoc and had broken so many laws in Greenwich that she really couldn't go back.
00:27:44
>> All right. Uh instead she packed up her son. Remember she does have a son and
00:27:49
they headed south eventually settling in Philadelphia. And that's the city where
00:27:54
her parents had first arrived decades earlier. Remember >> I remember. >> So without any job resources or social
00:28:00
connections, Lizzy, who was then going by the name Maggie Hopkins, >> of course,
00:28:05
>> turned up at the door of the McQuillins family pub. >> Whomstar remember? >> Yeah. She arrived in what has been
00:28:11
described as quote a rather expensive horserawn handsome cab. >> Oh. >> Now, apparently the McQuillins thought
00:28:20
that she was someone else, but then they figured out at some point that she was like an old like she was their family
00:28:25
friend's awkward child. >> Uh so they had actually let them stay in the guest room and even when they
00:28:32
realized that she wasn't who they thought they that she was, they were like, "Oh yeah, like we remember your
00:28:36
parents and like it's fine." It was like a weird thing. I think they thought she
00:28:39
was like a sister they hadn't seen since they were little >> and she went along with it
00:28:44
>> and she just went along with it. >> She was like oh yes it is me your sister.
00:28:47
>> Meanwhile, I'm like you were family friend like you have that connection. You could just say that
00:28:52
>> but they let her stay anyways. They were like whatever. >> They're like oh you're not our sister
00:28:55
but you're this little girl we used to know. >> Yeah. They were like oh [ __ ] >> Now as always it didn't take long before
00:29:01
Lizzy got into a altercation this time with McQuillin's wife. And within a short time of arriving, she was asked to
00:29:08
leave. >> Yeah. >> So she is now without a place to stay again. And she found a small home for
00:29:14
rent on Kensington Avenue. And in January 1888, she paid 2 months rent in advance, telling the landlord her mother
00:29:21
and her son would be joining her in the coming weeks. After filling the house with furniture she bought on credit from
00:29:26
a local store and ensuring everything was around $600, Lizzie began setting up the first floor of the house as a kind
00:29:34
of general store. And she set out barrels of onions and potatoes, loaves of bread, other sundries. She was like,
00:29:41
"You know what? I'm going to I'm turning over a new leaf. I'm going to run a general store." All right, why not?
00:29:46
Unfortunately, the store did struggle within the first few weeks and nothing really improved in the months after
00:29:51
that. So, it didn't end up being a good thing. Her business finally came to an end when on the morning of March 14th,
00:29:57
1888, the fire department was dispatched to Kensington Avenue where they found the entire building that contained the
00:30:04
store and Lizz's home was up in flames. >> Oh. >> Fortunately, the families living on
00:30:09
either side of her managed to escape with their lives, but they had a lot of property loss. Oh. Now, after the
00:30:15
firemen had managed to get everything under control, they made their way into the first floor where the store had been
00:30:21
and were surprised to find that it had been emptied of all of its furnishings. That's crazy. But the only thing that
00:30:28
was there was, quote, "Several pots and kettles set in the middle rooms containing burning rags which had been
00:30:34
dowsed in coal oil." >> That little [ __ ] investigative techniques of the day may have been
00:30:39
pretty unsophisticated, but uh not so much that it wasn't immediately apparent that this is arson.
00:30:43
>> It's a literally a smoking pot. >> Yeah. Also, given that the fire had clearly started in Lizz's home, she was
00:30:50
immediately identified as the prime suspect for the arson. >> Awesome. >> It took investigators some time to track
00:30:55
her down after the fire. And when they finally did, she had a weird story to tell.
00:31:00
>> I'm sure she did. >> According to Lizzy, it was not her who had started the fire. No,
00:31:05
>> it was two unknown attackers who swore they would kill her if she went to the
00:31:10
police. >> Oh, >> obviously. >> She said oil was poured out of a lamp over the floor and a match set to it. I
00:31:16
saw it all, but I didn't do it. I didn't speak because I was afraid I would be killed, but I lay in bed with my eyes
00:31:21
open watching the whole thing. >> Okay. Investigators were like, "No." And then they got more convinced of her
00:31:29
guilt when they learned the insurance policy she had taken out on the furniture which was in the name of Mrs.
00:31:34
Miller, an acquaintance of Lizz's who lived in New Jersey. >> Oh, good. >> It was Miller who directed detectives to
00:31:41
Lizzy after the fire. And they found her hiding in a hospital in New Jersey where
00:31:46
she claimed she was being treated for peritonitis as a result of medical malpractice.
00:31:51
>> Wow. There's a lot to understand. >> So much that is layered. They were further convinced of her guilt when they
00:31:59
learned her son had told one of the nurses in the hospital that his mother had set fire to the house before they
00:32:04
fled for New Jersey. >> One thing about kids is they will rat you out. >> Kids are going to rat you out.
00:32:08
>> They're usually honest. >> Yeah. Now, although they had hoped to question her further about the fire,
00:32:13
hospital staff in Camden refused to let them continue to speak with her, saying that she was medically fine, but they
00:32:19
believed her to be feeble-minded, quote unquote. That's not my quote. >> Yeah. um less than average intelligence and
00:32:26
possibly even insane. >> Okay. >> Uh after everything they'd learned in their investigation, detectives didn't
00:32:31
doubt what they'd been told by the hospital staff, but they did bring Lizzie back to Philadelphia to stand
00:32:36
trial for arson because you do >> because you do have to stand trial for arson if you arson. So, if you do arson,
00:32:41
you know, yeah, Lizz's trial was held in late March 1888, and there was a lot of
00:32:46
compelling evidence against her. Uh, and she really didn't have anything to say in her defense, and instead she rambled
00:32:52
incoherently and periodically cried out for her son, Charles. >> That's sad. >> Who had been placed in the custody of
00:32:57
the society to protect children from cruelty. >> Wow. >> With no coherent defense, she was
00:33:03
quickly found guilty and sentenced to two years in the Eastern State Penitentiary.
00:33:07
>> Oh [ __ ] we covered that, I'm pretty sure. Having been estranged from her family or anyone else who might come to
00:33:12
her defense, she had alienated everyone in her life. Damn. >> No one spoke on her behalf in the trial
00:33:17
or sentencing phase. >> And on May 4th, she began serving her 2-year sentence. >> That just reminded me of, you know, Ever
00:33:24
After when they're like, >> "Will no one here speak for her?" And then Drew Barrymore comes around the
00:33:28
corner and she goes, "I will speak for her." >> That's except no one did that. >> Yeah, that didn't happen.
00:33:34
>> That Drew Barrymore was nowhere to be found. >> Drew. >> Drew. Where were you? Come on.
00:33:40
>> So, this is just like, oh, cuz Charles Jr. there and Lizzy, they didn't know it
00:33:46
at the time, but they would never see each other again. >> That's sad, but probably good for
00:33:51
Charles. >> But I also hope that like the society of protecting the children against did
00:33:57
actually protect the children from cruelty. >> Yeah, you hope. Now, little is documented or really known of Lizz's
00:34:04
time at Eastern State Penitentiary, but her prison record does say that she was a model prisoner, which is wild when you
00:34:10
find out how she was later. >> Yeah. Well, and how she just was. >> Yeah. And there was no infractions of
00:34:15
prison rules. And two months before her release, she was transferred to the quote department for the insane at
00:34:21
Blockley. That's what it was called. >> And they should workshop that name. She >> They absolutely should. Where she was
00:34:26
diagnosed as being mentally ill. >> Okay. She finished her sentence at Blockley and was discharged in 1891
00:34:32
after which she was transferred to like a kind of halfway house in Philadelphia.
00:34:37
Now although the halfway house would have provided lodging and essentials like food, she fled almost immediately.
00:34:43
I know. I don't know why I said food like that. Food. >> Food. I don't know why I said it like
00:34:48
that. Did you hear that? >> Like essential's like food >> food. She got some food.
00:34:55
>> I'm sorry. But she immediately fled after her discharge. >> She even from the food.
00:35:00
>> Even from the food. And she started making her way back to New York, presumably with the intention of
00:35:06
probably landing in Greenwich again. >> She loves Greenwich. >> She lives. >> She does. Now, whatever her plan, she
00:35:12
arrived in Newberg in January 1891. And through an employment agency, she got work as a living-in domestic worker like
00:35:20
she started out as. >> Wow. >> In the home of the Vaughn family. >> Oh, the Vans. The Vons. You know, I love
00:35:25
a Von. Now, within a week of her starting, the Vans complained to the agency about Lizzie several times.
00:35:31
>> They said this [ __ ] >> They said on two occasions she stayed out all night at what Mrs. Vaughn
00:35:36
believed was a quote, and this is a quote, gypsy camp. That's what they believe that she was doing. And again,
00:35:42
quote, uh, at this time it was common for Romani and other traveling groups to make their way through the Catskills and
00:35:50
Hudson Valley area. And in the wake of her arrest, a lot was made of her supposed association with these
00:35:57
travelers. Okay, I don't know why it was just like a thing because I think people
00:36:01
were so shitty about them that they were like, "And she's part of this whole thing." Like, you know,
00:36:06
>> it's unclear how well she was acquainted with any of these groups. But author
00:36:09
Kevin Owens says after Lizz's arrest and while awaiting trial in 1893, she confessed to knowledge of specific
00:36:16
events that led to the death of a peddler believed to have been murdered by one of the travelers.
00:36:22
>> All right, >> so there's no conclusive evidence linking her to the murder, but Owen
00:36:27
believes Lizzie not only witnessed the murder, but probably participated in it as well.
00:36:32
>> Okay. >> Either way, a lot was made of her association with this group after she
00:36:37
was arrested. After being dismissed from the Bond house for repeatedly violating
00:36:42
their rules, Lizzie returned to the employment agency and was sent to the work in the home of Paul Holidayiday
00:36:48
where the relationship quickly escalated. I don't know if you know that this is named Lizzie Holidayiday.
00:36:54
>> Bells did start to ring in my mind. >> Quickly escalates from employment to romance.
00:36:58
>> Romance. >> Like several of the men who'd played an important role in her life, Holiday was
00:37:03
widowed. He was a Civil War veteran and he was more than 40 years older than her. Wow, that's an age difference.
00:37:10
>> And if she was more she was attracted to anything, it was likely his pension.
00:37:13
Yeah. And the large farm that he owned on the outskirts of Newberg. >> Who doesn't love a farm?
00:37:17
>> Who doesn't love that? What she was likely disappointed to find out was that Paul suffered from rheumatism and was a
00:37:23
heavy drinker with a bad reputation around town. >> Okay. >> So, also Holiday still lived with his
00:37:28
two adult sons and one of them was a person with cognitive disabilities, which apparently annoyed Lizzy. That
00:37:35
checks that she would be >> which like doesn't shock me that she would be annoyed by that.
00:37:39
>> But shock it should be shocking. >> It should be. Now despite the fact that nearly everyone in Paul's life was like
00:37:46
don't get close to this lady. >> He was like I think I'm going to get close to this lady.
00:37:50
>> Especially his children who hated her. >> Oh like Paul >> Paul proposed to Lizzy for not long
00:37:57
after having met her and on March 26th 1891 they married. >> Why here? You know what? From first
00:38:05
person experience, don't marry somebody your kids don't like. >> Don't do it. Just don't do it.
00:38:09
>> That's shitty. >> Yeah. Not surprisingly, it didn't take long before Lizzie fell into the usual
00:38:14
pattern of domestic abuse. >> And it's domestic abuse like she's abusing them. >> Yeah.
00:38:18
>> Um this time, her wrath wasn't limited to just her husband, though. On many occasions, she would fly into a rage
00:38:25
over anything or nothing and become verbally abusive. And several of times, she assaulted Paul's son, James, choking
00:38:32
and hitting him. But it was Paul's son with cognitive disabilities, Johnny, who was most often the target of her
00:38:39
violence and cruelty. >> That's disgusting. >> Yeah, that's a piece of [ __ ] When um
00:38:43
when she got deemed the worst woman in the world, it she's she's up there. >> Signing off on that. What a [ __ ]
00:38:49
>> On the morning of May 4th, 1891, Paul departed the farm with a team of horses
00:38:54
and a load of coal. At that time, Lizzy was apparently sick and she was in bed. >> Okay.
00:38:59
>> And the only other person in the house was Johnny. Oh, you're going to ruin my
00:39:03
[ __ ] life. >> Not long after Paul left, Lizzie claimed that Johnny came running into the
00:39:07
bedroom, shouting that the house was on fire, and he helped her to her feet and safely out of the house.
00:39:12
>> Okay. >> Once Lizzie was safe, she claimed Johnny ran back in the house in order to save
00:39:17
some belongings. But after two or three trips in and out, he didn't return. And after hearing Lizz's story, the coroner
00:39:24
ruled the death accidental suffocation. >> Oh no. Paul was also convinced by Lizz's
00:39:29
story because why would you think anything else? >> Because she's terrible and hits your
00:39:34
child. >> And apparently they all concluded that the fire had been Johnny's fault.
00:39:37
>> That's nice. >> And apparently what was said was he was careless with the lantern while
00:39:41
wittling. >> Okay. >> In addition to Johnny's death, the fire also destroyed the house, the barn, and
00:39:46
killed several of the horses. >> Yeah. >> Now, as had happened many other times,
00:39:52
Lizzie just grew tired of married life. Um, and it only worsened after the fire and eventually she left Halliday, Paul
00:40:00
Holidayiday, and she took up with a neighbor, John Glenn. >> Oh my god. So, she >> probably murdered his child and then got
00:40:08
with the neighbor. >> Yeah. >> Damn. >> Like Lizzy, John Glenn had a reputation as an unsavory character. And in June
00:40:15
1891, they both stole a team of horses and took them to Newberg where they were trying to sell them.
00:40:20
>> I always wonder how people steal horses like stealthfully. Unfortunately, they
00:40:24
were quickly arrested and tried for seconddegree grand lararseny. >> That's good. Larseny of horse.
00:40:29
>> Yeah. It's unclear what happened to Glenn, but uh Lizzie was brought before a judge in Newberg and she acted out
00:40:35
violently and made a number of bizarre statements before pleading insanity. >> Okay.
00:40:39
>> Based on her behavior in the courtroom and the conclusions of the psychiatrist,
00:40:43
Lizzie was sentenced to treatment at the asylum, the state asylum at the time, quote unquote.
00:40:48
>> Sure. >> Until doctors believed she was no longer a danger to society. They were
00:40:52
incorrect. >> Yeah, I had a feeling >> they were incorrect. It was during this time that Glenn reported to
00:40:57
investigators that Lizzy had informed him that the fire that had killed Johnny Holidayiday was in fact no accident.
00:41:03
>> Yeah. >> It also wasn't the right cause of death. According to Lizzie, she cut Johnny's
00:41:08
throat with a bread knife. >> And they didn't cut >> and then she burned the house down in
00:41:13
order to cover her crimes. >> Oh, >> yeah. >> A bread knife. >> Yeah. >> I cut my finger with a bread knife
00:41:20
recently. Lizzie served a little over one year in the asylum and was released in the
00:41:26
spring of 1893 due almost entirely to Paul Holidayiday's constant efforts to secure her release.
00:41:34
>> What does she do to these men >> to get them to forgive her? >> She digmatizes them
00:41:40
>> like just and it's wild. Paul had forgiven Lizzie after she left him and set his house on fire and murdered his
00:41:48
child >> and she returned home with her husband and after leaving him for John Glenn for
00:41:53
a crime spree >> lararseny. >> He's like it's fine and he gets her out, lives with her again. They rebuilt the
00:41:59
farm. Little did he know though that Lizzy was harboring a lot of resentment towards him and had begun plotting
00:42:06
revenge against him for some perceived wrongdoing. I >> was going to say for what? In fact,
00:42:11
while Paul seemed convinced that Lizzie had been cured, other family members recalled that her behavior became even
00:42:17
more erratic than before. The >> help Lizz to try to fix people. >> Oh, yeah. After Lizz's arrest, Paul's
00:42:23
daughter Mary told reporters, "In one moment, she would be talking about pieces of fabric in a sewing project,
00:42:29
and quite suddenly she would she should be angry and full of rage, muttering about someone who had wronged her
00:42:34
terribly." >> Sounds like the president of the United States. >> It literally does. Like, that was her.
00:42:39
It very much does. >> And Paul became increasingly estranged from his family in the months that
00:42:44
followed, seemingly content to retreat further and further into this life that he was creating in his head with Lizzie
00:42:50
on the farm. And one day in September, Paul's son, Paul Jr., became concerned about his father's well-being and paid a
00:42:57
visit to the farm. He was met by Lizzy at the front door. >> No thanks. >> Lizzie claimed that Paul had purchased
00:43:03
some property in Bloomingberg and had gone there to inspect the land and she didn't know when he was going to be
00:43:07
back. doubt it. Certain his father would have mentioned this to him. Paul Jr. went right to the police because he was
00:43:14
like, "This [ __ ] did it." >> Yeah. >> And asked if they could check on on his father and confirm that he was alive and
00:43:19
well. The constable agreed to go to the farm and check. But when they went there
00:43:23
with another officer, they were met by Lizzy and she said, "You're not coming in."
00:43:28
So, they didn't want to escalate the situation at that moment. So, they went back to the station to come up with what
00:43:33
they could. After conferring with some other officers at the station, they determined that they were able to get a
00:43:40
search warrant. >> Okay. >> And on the morning of September 4th, 1893, they went back to the farm with
00:43:45
the warrant. And despite having a warrant in hand, Lizzie said, "No, you're not coming in." And then she hit
00:43:51
one of the officers with a stick. >> So, I feel like at that point, they probably could have arrested her.
00:43:57
>> Yeah, they now apparently they didn't want to keep escalating. So, but they did come up with a good plan. One
00:44:04
constable asked if Lizzie would accompany them to Bloomingberg so they might speak with Paul together.
00:44:10
>> Okay. >> And weirdly, she agreed. >> Okay. >> So, they were like, "Okay, let's go."
00:44:15
And while Lizz's gone away with the constable, a large team of officers descended on the farm to search the
00:44:22
place. >> Yeah. >> At first glance, Paul Holidayiday did not appear to be home, and nothing
00:44:26
really was unusual. But then, >> but the further they searched, investigators were finding very ominous
00:44:32
and very alarming evidence of a lot of foul play having occurred in that house. On the first floor, they discovered a
00:44:38
bucket that appeared to contain a bloodstained rug that Lizzie had been scrubbing with a stiff brush. In another
00:44:44
room, they discovered a bloody axe handle, >> a crowbar, a bloody board, and two
00:44:50
shovels that have been recently used. >> What the [ __ ] And in another room, investigators found the floor covered
00:44:56
with a large amount of dirt and hay, which when they brushed it aside, revealed a giant blood stain on the
00:45:02
floor. She just covered it with dirt and hay. Also, when they searched the bedroom and removed the piles of
00:45:08
clothing from the bed, they discovered the sheets were covered in blood stains and it looked like someone had tried to
00:45:14
clean it. So all of this evidence of literal carnage in that house and the discovery
00:45:19
of the shovels, investigators are like, "Fuck, Paul Holidayiday is probably buried on this property."
00:45:26
>> Yeah. So they finish searching the house. They move on to the barn and in the crawl space underneath the building,
00:45:31
they discovered what they believe to find a body buried under a shallow pile of dirt and manure.
00:45:37
>> Uhhuh. After carefully removing the debris, they discovered that there was something buried under the barn. But it
00:45:43
wasn't the body of Paul Holidayiday. >> Another one. >> Two bodies. >> What? >> Of two young women.
00:45:49
>> What? >> Both bound tightly with cloth. >> Uh, what? >> So, they don't want to destroy evidence
00:45:56
here. >> Wow. Smart. >> So, the EV the >> early 1900s people not wanting to destroy evidence. That's cuckoo. The
00:46:02
investigators called the coroner and under his direction, both women were removed from the quell space. As far as
00:46:08
the coroner could tell, coroner Ro, one of the bodies had been under the barn slightly longer than the other. Both
00:46:14
were bound at the ankles, wrists, and knees, and both had been shot to death. >> Oh my god.
00:46:19
>> One of the women was estimated to be in her 40s, while the other was in her mid20s. Although no one in Newberg
00:46:25
recognized them, and their identities would remain a mystery for some time. According to Ro, the younger woman who
00:46:31
had had been dead for roughly two days, and the cause of death was determined to
00:46:35
be any one of the seven gunshot wounds to the left side of her chest. >> Wow. >> The older of the two was believed to
00:46:41
have been under the barn for roughly 5 days, and her cause of death was attributed to one of the eight gunshot
00:46:47
wounds to the left side of her chest. >> Jesus. A cable was sent to the constable
00:46:51
in Bloomingberg to let him know what they found at the farm and instructing him, "You should probably arrest Lizzy
00:46:56
right now." >> Yeah. In the meantime, now dealing with a double homicide, the search team
00:47:02
returned to the house and started combing for evidence. Inside, detectives found what they believed to be the two
00:47:07
women's clothing in the bedroom, and one spent 32 caliber shell was discovered near the bed.
00:47:13
>> Just one, >> which led investigators to believe at least one of the women had been shot
00:47:16
while she was lying in the bed. That's why the blood stains were there. >> Yep. Yep. Yep.
00:47:20
>> Now, Lizzie was taken into custody and transferred back to Newberg in the company of the constable. She was
00:47:26
physically abusive. She was verbally abusive the whole way, refused to answer any questions. Elsewhere in town,
00:47:32
investigators kept searching for Paul Holidayiday, who many people remembered seeing in the days before the discovery
00:47:38
at the farm, but no one had seen him since the bodies had been found. >> Okay. >> Now, although she refused to cooperate
00:47:44
with the police following her arrest, she was definitely not quiet. After being locked up in a jail cell in
00:47:50
Montichello, New York, I saw that you can say it. Monteello or Montichello. I'm going with the Hamilton way of
00:47:56
saying it. >> I like it. >> Uh Lizzie continued to act out aggressively and at one point ripped a
00:48:01
large piece of her dress off and tried to choke herself with it. >> Oh, [ __ ] >> Under the circumstances, the constable
00:48:07
was like, she might be a suicide risk and started keeping a closer eye on her. >> Yeah.
00:48:11
>> A day or two after arriving at the jail, she accompanied she was accompanied to
00:48:15
the outhouse and standing outside the door, the guard heard a thud as though something had fallen to the floor. and
00:48:21
concerned she might be trying to harm herself again, he opened the door of the outhouse and found Lizzy preparing to
00:48:27
drop a 32 caliber pistol and a large quantity of shells into the toilet and was able to prevent her from destroying
00:48:35
evidence. They were just on her person this whole time. It's unknown how she still had that. And you know
00:48:44
what? I don't want to know. Yeah. And after taking her back to her cell, a further search of the outhouse was
00:48:51
conducted. Investigators found additional 32 caliber shells, as well as several women's rings and a gold pocket
00:48:58
watch inscribed with the initials SJM on the back. What the actual f Sorry, how long had she been held at this point?
00:49:07
Was this just like a few hours or was this days gone by? >> It was a day or two.
00:49:10
>> What the [ __ ] >> Yeah. Now, >> was that before you guys searched people? They I I think they forgot. But
00:49:18
during a further search of the Holiday property, because they were like, "We still can't find him."
00:49:23
>> Yeah. >> Uh and this is in the days that followed, investigators finally learned
00:49:27
what happened to Paul Holidayiday. During a search of the kitchen, one of the men noticed one or two of the
00:49:32
floorboards was loose. When the boards were removed, they discovered what looked like recently disturbed soil. And
00:49:38
driving the crowbar into the earth about 18 in, they felt it hit something. >> Oh. After removing the dirt,
00:49:45
investigators found the body of Paul Holidayiday. His arms were crossed over his chest, his wrists were tied
00:49:50
together, and a burlap bag was over his head. >> And he's just buried beneath his kitchen
00:49:55
floor. >> He was just in the kitchen. >> This is haunting. >> As far as corner Ro could tell, Paul had
00:50:03
been dead about 2 weeks. >> Oh, that's a longass time. >> Killed by any one of the three 32
00:50:08
caliber bullets that pierced his chest. >> Oh. Ro theorized that Paul had been killed while laying down and was shot at
00:50:15
close range. Also, a large contusion was found near his left temple, and that indicated he'd been struck in the head
00:50:22
with a heavy blunt object. >> I believe it. >> So hard, in fact, it fractured his
00:50:29
orbital socket and knocked loose his left eye, which was now hanging loosely on his cheek.
00:50:37
>> Thank you for that. I need everyone to understand what I just said about Lizzy
00:50:41
[ __ ] holiday. >> I do. >> She hit him with something so hard on the side of his head that she fractured
00:50:48
his orbital socket and knocked his [ __ ] eye out of his head and then she shot him several times in the chest.
00:50:56
>> I really hate eye [ __ ] I really hate eye [ __ ] >> She knocked this man's going to tell me
00:51:02
again >> out of his head. Do you know how hard you have to hit somebody? >> I can't even begin to imagine.
00:51:10
>> And then she shot him in the [ __ ] chest and then buried him under her kitchen.
00:51:16
>> Oh my god, brother. >> Yeah. >> Wow. Wow. Wow. >> So Lizzy Maggie Holidayiday. While Ro
00:51:26
was conducting his autopsy of Paul Holidayiday, detectives had managed to identify the two women discovered on the
00:51:32
farm as Margaret and Sarah McQuillin. You told me to remember >> the wife and daughter of Thomas
00:51:41
McQuillin. >> What did she go kidnap them or something? >> She literally So that I was like when I
00:51:47
read that I was like what? Like how'd she what? Yeah, cuz she the whole reason she got kicked out was because or asked
00:51:53
to leave was because she had a fight with the the wife >> with the wife. >> Now, days we'll get to it, don't worry.
00:51:58
So, days later, a coroner's inquest was held. After which it was determined that
00:52:02
Lizzie was responsible for the deaths of both women. In their conclusion, the jury wrote, "We do say upon our oath
00:52:09
that Margaret J. McQuillin and Sarah J. McQuillin come to their deaths by bullets fired from a pistol in the hands
00:52:15
of Lizzy Halliday. The balls entering the heart were the immediate cause of death." that said Margaret was killed on
00:52:21
or about August 30th and Sarah McQuillin on or about September 2nd. When investigators visited Lizzy in her cell
00:52:28
and told her the identification of the two bodies on her farm, she responded, "Mrs. McQuillin. Mrs. McQuillin." Oh,
00:52:35
yes. I remember Mrs. McQuillin and her daughter. Who murdered them? >> Curly. >> According to Lizzy,
00:52:42
>> why they on your farm, girl? >> She says they both showed up at her farm several weeks earlier with some men and
00:52:47
they brought whiskey with them. So she allowed them to stay but refused to drink with them and she just went to
00:52:52
bed. She doesn't know what happened. >> That's nuts. She just went to bed and then they ended up
00:52:56
face shot. >> Yeah. >> And wrapped up. >> Now from this point forward, Lizzie became increasingly difficult to deal
00:53:04
with at the jail. Under the best of circumstances, when she had visitors or anyone tried to talk to her, she quote
00:53:10
talked in a rambling, incoherent way and avoided looking at anyone in the face. >> I need to know who the [ __ ] was visiting
00:53:16
Lizzie in jail. >> I'm saying >> give me names. During this time, she frequently reported seeing quote a large
00:53:22
woman with a big mouth who was trying to harm her. It me just kidding. It me said that was me. You said girl
00:53:41
>> strand ar put some respect on my name. >> Oh lord that's >> that's I'm picturing in all seriousness
00:53:53
that's sad >> and also I'm picturing that hallucination. >> Yeah that's [ __ ] sad horrifying a
00:54:00
large woman with a big mouth. >> So under the worst circumstances she was completely unruly and a danger to
00:54:06
herself. And in the days leading up to her court appearance, she refused to eat, tried to strangle the sheriff's
00:54:11
wife who delivered her food. >> Why the [ __ ] is the sheriff's wife out here in these?
00:54:16
>> She's given apparently delivered food yourself, sheriff. >> She tried to set her bedclo and
00:54:22
repeatedly fire. >> Fire. She repeatedly tried to cut her arms and face anytime she was given an
00:54:28
implement that was remotely sharp. >> Stop giving her sharp implements. >> And the sheriff said it was has been
00:54:33
been necessary to keep her chained to the floor. I believe it. What are you gonna do at a certain point? Like that's
00:54:38
awful. But >> yeah, now as the trial neared the summer of 1894, Lizz's case had become very
00:54:45
sensational and very closely watched. >> The press was saying, quote, "It will almost in interest be as famous as that
00:54:52
of Lizzie Bordon. >> I'm here to tell you in 2026 it's not." >> No. >> Um but I get it. Her name is also Lizzy.
00:54:58
Yeah. >> Um the trial of Lizzie Halliday, not Bordon. Um, you know, she was called the
00:55:03
Burlingham murderous. The trial for her the murder of Sarah McQuillin began June
00:55:08
18th, 1894 in New York with Judge Samuel Edwards presiding. Assigned to Lizz's defense was a prominent local attorney
00:55:16
named George Carpenter who the New York Times referred to as quote a lawyer of more than ordinary talent and has been
00:55:23
frequently identified with intricate litigation. >> Imagine being described as they have
00:55:30
more than ordinary talent. That's nice. >> Not extraordinary, but but more than ordinary.
00:55:34
>> More than ordinary. >> Uh given all that had happened in the months leading to the trial, this press
00:55:39
speculated, quote, "It seems scarcely probable that Mrs. Halliday will receive from the jury a verdict by which she
00:55:45
will regain her fe freedom." >> Yeah. >> Um in fact, the case against her seemed
00:55:49
very strong, and given her behavior and frequent violent outbursts, everyone pretty much assumed she was going to get
00:55:55
that insanity defense. >> Yeah. Given the considerable press coverage and the anticipation of a very
00:56:00
wild hearing, people at the that came to the first day of the trial were probably
00:56:05
a little surprised and probably because we're human beings and we're kind of the
00:56:08
worst. They were probably disappointed to find the so-called quote worst woman in the world to have quote lost much of
00:56:15
her former strength and vivacity during her imprisonment. During the first day of trial, she sat quietly beside Hut
00:56:22
Carpenter and never said a word. >> That's nuts that she was quiet. >> Yeah. I wonder how they accomplished
00:56:27
that. >> Uh the trial came to an end just three days later and the jury deliberated for
00:56:32
four hours before returning and handing down a guilty verdict. Yeah. >> After the verdict was read aloud for the
00:56:38
court, many wondered whether Lizzie fully understood what it meant because she said nothing on her own behalf and
00:56:43
quote only jerked her head up and down and stamped on with her heel. >> Oh. After the case was adjourned and she
00:56:50
had been returned to her cell, Lizzie quote threw herself on the little bed in the corner of the cell and slept the
00:56:56
sleep of the just and innocent. >> So, she slept real good that night. >> Apparently,
00:57:01
>> I want to sleep the sleep of a just innocent. Yeah, >> that's my I'm manifesting.
00:57:05
>> I feel like I did last night. I had a good night sleep. >> You know what? Retweet. Now, having been
00:57:09
found guilty of first-degree murder, she was returned to the courtroom the next day for sentencing and again had no
00:57:15
response when asked if she had anything to say in her defense. >> Okay. >> When the judge asked her to stand so he
00:57:20
could pass sentence, Lizzie again failed to respond and it took four men to lift
00:57:25
her to her feet where she quote swayed in the grasp of the officers, but there was no expression on her face.
00:57:31
>> That's I'm like, was she drugged? >> I was going to say >> it kind of feels that way. But the judge
00:57:36
then returned turned to Carpenter and asked whether he had any additional comments. In his he replied, quote, "I
00:57:42
have nothing further to say." So with all that out of the way, he returned to Lizzie and sentenced her to death by
00:57:48
electricity in the place designated by the state in the week beginning Monday, August 6th, 1894.
00:57:54
>> [ __ ] >> She was led out of the courtroom quietly. So I think she was >> she was for sure drugged. Uh although
00:58:00
everyone who had followed the case was certain of Lizz's guilt and and her wrongdoings, when the verdict and
00:58:05
sentence was passed down, there was still like a wave of shock, probably due to the fact that she was sentenced to
00:58:10
die in the electric chair, which was a first for a woman in New York. Uh but that wasn't really like they didn't
00:58:17
think that she shouldn't be held accountable for the murders. >> Yeah. >> But given her history and behavior, a
00:58:22
lot of people assumed she would just be deemed insane and locked away in an institution
00:58:28
>> for the rest of her life. >> Right. >> After all was said and done, it seemed
00:58:31
that despite her obvious guilt, the idea of putting such a disturbed woman to death was something that a lot of people
00:58:37
were like, I don't know about that. >> I get feeling that way, but as I'm sitting here, I'm like, what's worse? I
00:58:43
I mean her exactly, >> but it's like >> But I understand that thought for sure. >> It's the morality of the whole thing.
00:58:50
It's like >> there's a lot. It's one of those >> that it's like something's wrong clearly
00:58:55
and like something's off and she did >> a lot of wrong and there are times where
00:59:00
she knew what she was that she was doing was wrong. >> So she should be punished.
00:59:06
>> But I think an institution is where she really needed to She probably would have
00:59:10
been in an institution at that time. >> Yeah. And um one reporter wrote, "No one
00:59:14
expected conviction in the first degree, and now that it has been given in the clamor of those who thought she was
00:59:19
shamming has been satisfied, there's a general expression that confinement for the remainder of her life should have
00:59:25
been the penalty." >> Yeah. >> Now, it appeared as though the gravity of the verdict and sentencing had also
00:59:30
started setting in for Lizzy as well. >> Yeah. In her cell in Montichello, she continued to refuse to eat. And visitors
00:59:37
and jailers noted, quote, "She's very much depressed and seems constantly wrapped up in the most profound thought.
00:59:42
When she wasn't silent and lost in thought, she would become wildly unmanageable and quote continued the
00:59:48
very filthiest habits of which she is capable. Also, she continued exhibiting bizarre behavior like insisting upon
00:59:56
wearing her shoes on the wrong feet and throwing a basin of water at a visiting doctor. I mean, if she wants to wear her
01:00:02
shoes on the wrong feet, >> I mean, let her let her do it, you know. >> But on June 28th, 1894, she was
01:00:08
transferred from Montichello to Danamora prison in upstate New York. >> I feel like we end up talking about that
01:00:12
so much. >> And she was held there. She was going to be held there until her execution. Um,
01:00:18
only a few weeks into her sentence, Governor Roswell Flower, influenced by the prison reform movement. And
01:00:24
>> I'm sorry, what a gorgeous name. >> Roswell Flower. >> That's a gorgeous name. He was
01:00:28
influenced by the prison reform movement and public opinion about Lizz's case. He
01:00:32
assembled a commission to review her medical records and make a definitive determination as to her present mental
01:00:38
state. >> Yeah. >> This was not to determine whether she was sane at the time of the murders.
01:00:43
Like I was saying before, it was to determine whether she should continue to be held in prison or have her sentence
01:00:49
commuted and be transferred to a psychiatric hospital. They knew she did it. They knew she knew she did it. She
01:00:54
knew it was wrong. Obviously, there's something off here. >> The commission began their investigation
01:00:59
on July 12th and started they started with a thorough review of her long legal and mental health history.
01:01:06
>> Other studies included physical examinations, interviews, and making a plaster cast of her head.
01:01:13
>> Huh. Phronology was very popular at the time. And many people believe the size
01:01:20
and shape of a person's head could reveal something about their intellect and psyche.
01:01:23
>> Interesting. very popular thing. >> I got a big old head. >> In Lizzy's case, doctors were
01:01:28
particularly interested in the fact that her quote unusual head was asymmetrical
01:01:32
and her forehead high and tapered. >> Oh [ __ ] >> Finally. >> That's a wreath. >> That is a wreath.
01:01:39
>> But honestly, a high and tapered forehead. >> Yeah, that's modelesque. >> Exactly. That's I mean, yeah.
01:01:46
Asymmetrical, not so much. Now, finally, interviews with prison guards and staff
01:01:50
were conducted, which confirmed that since arriving at Danamura, Lizzie was quote noisy, destructive, dirty in her
01:01:57
habits, and frequently profane and obscene in her speech. The staff also noted that she was often disruptive in
01:02:03
the evenings and engaged in self-mutilation and lashed out at others. >> Oh, that's sad.
01:02:08
>> Before and during her trial, many believed her symptoms of mental illness were an act. They thought she was, which
01:02:14
I get that because they probably thought that she was just trying to get out of trouble. just lasting so long.
01:02:19
>> Well, that's and the things she did are so horrific and so like brutal. >> Yeah.
01:02:23
>> That like I think it's hard for anyone to understand that like she you know like how her brain works.
01:02:29
>> Yeah. Exactly. But after carefully reviewing her case, the commission assembled by Governor Flowers dismissed
01:02:35
any belief that Lizzie was acting and concluded that she was deeply mentally ill.
01:02:40
>> Yeah. >> Uh based on their findings, Flowers issued a pardon on July 16th, 1894.
01:02:46
>> Wow. muting her death sentence to one of life imprisonment. >> Okay. >> He wrote, "The defense for it was
01:02:51
insanity and the evidence to establish it very strong. Doctors at Madawan State Hospital testified that at different
01:02:57
times come years before the homicide, she had been under their charge as an insane patient. At times which she was
01:03:04
unquestionably insane. >> A short time later, she was transferred to the newly completed Madawan Insane
01:03:10
Asylum. That's what it was called. >> Y >> in Fishkill, which was a small town in
01:03:14
the Hudson Valley. >> Not fish. On August 30th, 1895, Kate Ward, an attendant on Lizz's floor at Madawan,
01:03:23
was in the women's bathroom washing her hands when she was attacked by Lizzy. >> And another patient named Jane Shannon.
01:03:30
>> Oh, they teamed up. >> According to Ward, Lizzie had approached her at the sink with a towel in her
01:03:34
hands, appearing as though to offer it. When Ward attempted to take the towel, Lizzie knocked her to the floor and
01:03:41
Shannon held her down while Lizzy tried to stuff the towel into Ward's mouth. >> Oh, [ __ ] The two women then began
01:03:48
kicking, punching, and scratching Ward. With Lizzy tearing out handfuls of the woman's hair.
01:03:53
>> Oh god. >> Fortunately, her cries for help drew another attendant. And with the help of
01:03:58
two more people, Lizzie and Shannon were subdued. Initially, doctors believed Ward would die from her injuries. That's
01:04:05
how brutal they beat her. >> But she was stabilized and recovered. Lizzy never said why she attacked her,
01:04:12
but most assumed it was because Lizzie held a grudge against her because Ward had found Lizzie trying to pick her
01:04:17
pockets a few weeks earlier. >> Oh, now Lizz's bizarre and violent behavior continued after that. She would
01:04:24
exhibit ongoing symptoms of psychosis a lot of the times. At this point, it was definitely more profound.
01:04:30
>> Well, when things go untreated for so long, >> yeah, they just get worse. And I mean,
01:04:33
who knows what they were treating like these symptoms with by then. >> This came to a very tragic head in 1906
01:04:39
when Lizzie attacked and killed Nelly Wix, the head of the head ward at Madawan.
01:04:44
>> Oh my god, >> this is so [ __ ] up. Unlike most of the other staff at Madawan, Wix treated the
01:04:51
patients with respect and kindness. She believed they were deserving of compassion rather than scorn and abuse.
01:04:58
As a result, Lizzie developed an extreme fondness for her and Wix was one of the
01:05:04
only, if not the only staff member that she would listen to. >> By that time, Lizzy was in seclusion,
01:05:10
very isolated from the other patients. So, her contact with other people was very limited,
01:05:15
>> which is probably not great for somebody with her. >> So, yeah. So, Wix would likely have been
01:05:20
one of the only few people she saw or spoke to on a regular basis and was probably the only one who treated her
01:05:25
with any respect. This attachment became a problem in 1906 when Wix announced to
01:05:31
her supervisors that she was engaged to be married and would be leaving her job.
01:05:35
>> Okay. >> While the staff at Madawan was happy for Wix, they did warn her Lizzy is not
01:05:40
going to take this well. So, she felt she knew Lizzy better than they did. She was like, "No, it's fine." But she was
01:05:46
like, "I'll wait until my final week here to let her know." So, when the final week came, Wix went to Lizz's room
01:05:52
and told her she would be leaving the hospital at the end of the week. And Lizzie stared directly in her eyes and
01:05:58
said, "You won't leave me." So Wix was like, "I will be leaving by the end of the week." And Lizzie said,
01:06:05
"I wouldn't try it." Yeah. Oh. So Wix was like, "Okay." And she just went about her day. She was
01:06:12
like, "She's clearly pissed, but like it happened, so like whatever." On the morning of September 27th, Lizzie
01:06:19
followed Wix into the woman's bathroom. And once inside, she knocked Wix to the floor. This part right here is where I
01:06:26
say she knows what she's doing. She knocks Wix to the floor, grabs her set of keys in the process, and as Wix lays
01:06:34
stunned on the floor, Lizzy locked the bathroom door and left the keys in the locks so they couldn't be unlocked from
01:06:40
the other side. >> She made sure no one could get in that room. >> Yeah, that's cunning.
01:06:44
>> Returning to where Wix was laying on the floor, Lizzie grabbed the scissors that
01:06:48
Wix kept on her belt and started stabbing her furiously. >> Oh my god. Nelly Wix is screaming and
01:06:54
trying to block the more than 200 stabs that she inflicted on her. >> Holy [ __ ]
01:07:03
>> 200 stabs with scissors. >> And this woman was the only woman who was kind to her and was engaged to be
01:07:09
married and leaving. >> Yeah. So, the screams are drawing the attention of the other wards who ran to
01:07:14
the bathroom. >> They can't do anything. >> They're trying to get in there, but they
01:07:17
can't unlock the door. The keys are blocking them. So they're having to like break through the bathroom door and by
01:07:23
the time they did they found Nelly unconscious and just brutally bleeding heavily. Lizzy was subdued and removed
01:07:31
to a cell while doctors tried to save Nellie's life. Unfortunately, she died from her injuries 2 hours later. She was
01:07:38
going to be married. She was about to be married. That's why she was leaving the
01:07:41
job. >> And she was the only one who literally like actually was nice to Lizzy. Later,
01:07:47
when the superintendent at Madawan asked Lizzie why she had done it, she smiled and said, "She won't leave me now."
01:07:56
>> What? >> Isn't that [ __ ] up? >> What is that logic? >> Nelly Wixs was the first female
01:08:02
corrections officer killed in the line of duty. >> Wow. >> But the horror of the staff at Madawan
01:08:10
was remaining throughout this. I mean, they this changed everything. But no charges were brought against Lizzie for
01:08:17
the murder of Nelly Wix. >> That's completely unjustified. >> But the Duchess County Coroner made a
01:08:22
special appeal to the New York State, it's called, it was called the New York State Lunacy Commission.
01:08:28
>> Oh man. >> Asking them to authorize extended solitary confinement for Lizzie, which
01:08:33
they did grant. And she would ultimately spend most of her remaining years isolated from everyone. Her physical and
01:08:39
mental health continued to decline after the murder of Nelly Wixs. And it's pretty reasonable to assume she was
01:08:45
probably not treated great after that. >> Yeah, this really is one of those cases
01:08:53
where you just think like maybe it would have been better to put her to death. >> I have no idea. It's the
01:09:02
>> that's why you think of where are >> now. Eventually, she was diagnosed with Brites disease, which is a kidney
01:09:09
disease that causes painful swelling and can be fatal. Oh, >> okay. >> In the fall of 1911, after an
01:09:14
investigation into the safety and security of the hospital, new policies were implemented, including an e easing
01:09:21
of harsh punishment and isolation practices, which meant that Lizz's extended solitary confinement finally
01:09:28
came to an end after 5 years. >> Wow. >> She's in solitary confinement for 5 years. So now she's sick with chronic
01:09:35
illness. And >> that's the thing though that you like sit there and you think is like, isn't
01:09:39
that more cruel than just ending somebody's life? >> Probably. So she's sick with chronic illness.
01:09:45
She's weak from years of self abuse at this point. She no longer posed a threat to really anybody there. Um and she
01:09:52
wasn't but she wasn't eligible for any special privileges either. She was allowed to return to living among the
01:09:58
regular hospital population. That was about it. In 1915, she made the newspapers again, this time when she was
01:10:04
discovered trying to hang herself in her room in Madawan. On March 17th, hospital
01:10:09
staff went into her room and found she had ripped a long strip from her bed sheet. Uh they found her very near
01:10:15
death, but they were able to resuscitate her. Lizzie Hall made the news one final
01:10:21
time on June 28th, 1918 when press around the country reported her death from Bright's disease at the age of 58.
01:10:28
She was described as the worst woman in the world. And the New York Times noted the four deaths she had known to be to
01:10:35
have committed, but reminded readers, quote, there was a strong suspicion that she had murdered several others,
01:10:41
including a former husband and an in a peddler, which was what they had talked about with the travelers.
01:10:46
>> Yes. Yes. >> So, there was strong suspicion that she was involved in several other murders
01:10:50
than the four that they were able to know that she had done. >> What a wild [ __ ] case,
01:10:56
>> isn't that? Bonkers. >> Yeah. Holy [ __ ] >> Like I had no idea. The >> like obviously all of the people that
01:11:06
lost their lives is like it breaks your heart. That was it. Sorry. Was it Nelly Wix?
01:11:11
>> Nelly. That >> is so tragic. >> Oh, it destroy. I was like, "Holy [ __ ] >> Wow.
01:11:18
>> So brutal." like so brutal and so sad because she was about to be married about to leave the job
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>> and and like everyone said like >> yeah and she believed in Lizzy enough to be like I can talk to her about this and
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she'll handle it. >> You just wait you almost wish and this was just her being a good person. You
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wish he just didn't tell her and just never >> I know >> came back. >> Wow. That is
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>> Mhm. That's a case where I feel they should have just put her to death when she had
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gotten that sentence because the rest of her life was spent in [ __ ] misery >> and another person lost their life
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>> and more like more people were assaulted and then ultimately another person was
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killed. >> Yeah, it's a rough one. It's tough stuff. >> Wow. >> But you know what? Let me give you a fun
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fact that >> please do. >> During the run of the Golden Girls >> Yeah. >> they dug into more than a hundred
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cheesecakes. That is a fun fact. >> Yeah, >> I love the Golden Girls. >> Yeah, >> I love it.
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>> Beautiful. >> When Dorothy says, "Do you know how many problems we solved over a cheesecake at
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this kitchen table?" >> Over a hundred. >> And she says 147 rows. >> She was pretty close.
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>> That's a lot. That's a lot of problems solved over cheesecake. >> Yeah. >> Me myself, not a cheesecake fan.
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>> I love cheesecake personally, but not a cheesecake girly. >> I also love Dorothy.
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>> I love Dorothy. You are Dorothy. >> I love that. I'm like a mixture of Rose. >> I'm like a mixture of Rose and Blanch.
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And you're kind of a mixture of Dorothy and Sophia. >> Yeah, I think so, too. >> Yeah, we we make up the Golden Girls.
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>> Well, people, with that fun fact, we leave you, but we do hope you keep listening.
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>> And we hope you keep it weird, but definitely not as weird as Lizzy Holidayiday, because holy [ __ ] that's a
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level of weirdness I hope to never achieve. >> Don't do it. It wouldn't be an achievement even. It's true. Bye.