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hey weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is morbid [Music] [Music] it's morbid and we're waiting on some
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cheeseburgers because health and wellness honestly shout out to Bridget it's Marquette right yeah Marquette
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Marquardt I always say it wrong you know what Bridget from Girls Next Level podcast go listen to it it's [ __ ]
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awesome yeah if you're not listening like what are you even doing with yourself Bridget has a name like my last
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name that like it looks crazy a little bit and it looks like whoa how do I say that and then you hear it and you're
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like oh I know and I'm like a really big fan of hers as we all know and and Holly
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Madison too so I really didn't want to [ __ ] up her name but I did yeah I think
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it's more cool but anyway I saw Bridget post a picture with a cheeseburger so then I ordered a cheeseburger so thank
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you for that Brigette Brigette and again go listen to their podcast because they
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are two delightful human beings yeah their podcast is awesome it's just like you know what I was gonna say it's light
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but it's really not it's not it's actually pretty heavy the things those girls went through but the way they
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presented is so light like you're just I I feel like I'm just choking um yeah we get this a lot that people
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feel like it's like you're just hanging out with friends yeah that's how I feel about their podcast I definitely feel
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that way it's like a slumber party and they're one of the only podcasts that I'm like week to week minute to minute
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waiting caught up and just waiting for the next one so but you know what they're great I have three podcasts like
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that you know what let me just shout them out because like love is Love Love Is Love love you know what let's end
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this year with some love because is everyone all right no the answer is no everyone's angry everyone's like there's
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just a lot of [ __ ] so let's send it on a good note and 2023 is my wedding year so
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so yeah let's get it together let's say goodbye to 2022 but no my favorite three
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podcasts right now that I'm listening to like week to [ __ ] week I'm like I need it give me it it's oxygen watch
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what crappens yes as always yes Girls Next Level yep as always these days and giggly Squad there you go so [ __ ]
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good and it's nice it'll get you through your day I think when this comes out I'm
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looking at the calendar right now I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be 2023. yeah oh my God happy time happy
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New Year they're like new year was like 80 days ago but yes we are also nowhere near
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January right now as we record this so you know what in the future Happy New Year
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you know what Elena happy New Year happy [ __ ] New Year I hope yourself I hope all of your holidays were beautiful and
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I hope you're ready to start this year and have a great one and feel good and be good and do good oh my God while
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you're listening to this it's officially my [ __ ] wedding year there you go let's [ __ ] go baby oh and you know
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what before we get into this episode I need to tell you guys a crazy story my dream oh yeah this is gonna [ __ ] your
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[ __ ] up okay so I've heard this thing where if you lose a dream I don't know if you I know some of you lucid dream
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because you've sent us like listener tales about it so yeah to our to our chat with Andrew from
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let's not me yeah lucid dreaming I've heard this thing where you're supposed to or you're probably not supposed to
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ask people in your dream like once you figure out that you're lucid dreaming ask the next person you see and anyone
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else you see what's the date and time and I always thought these things are kind of [ __ ] and I thought they were
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maybe just like everyone's personal experience and like you're like it's a Tick-Tock Trend yeah I was kind of just
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like I don't know but then I was like I want to try that though if I can like remember to do it but I figure I can
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never remember anything in my lucid dream like I can't remember to do something in my lucid dream but usually
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did but this time this past weekend I was lucid dreaming and I had this dream that somebody was chasing me with a
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knife and I like barricaded myself in a bathroom and then I realized I was lucid
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dreaming so I was like oh he's not there anymore and I opened the door and he wasn't because I was like it's a [ __ ]
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dream I can I can control this dream Ken and he wasn't but two women were and all
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of a sudden in my head I was like oh ask them the date and time so I was like excuse me ladies can you tell me what
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the date and time is and they both turned around and looked at me and was like why would you ask us that and I was
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like I don't know I just really want to know the date and time and they were like why why do you want to know it and
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they started yelling at me getting in my face could not believe I was at it's like I
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asked them like I don't even know like it's ask them something really personal about themselves they got that angry so
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I like scooted through them because I was like oh get away from me you're terrible and I was like damn and I came
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across John and I was in like someone else's living room and I saw John and I said John what what's the date and time
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and he grabbed me by the arms which was terrifying in my dream because that's not a joke because that is not a John
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move and he got right in my face was like what don't ask that don't ask me that and he started like yelling at
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myself this story three times now and I'm still as terrified as the first time and I like to [ __ ] around and find out
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so I saw a couple of people in the kitchen behind him and I yelled hey guys what's the time and date and they got
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angry and started coming over with him and all of them were surrounding me yelling at me and I woke up as that
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happened Elena gets into my car and she goes dreams aren't what we think no they're not and I was like something is
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up down girly what there's a simulation happening and they get pissed when you start poking holes in it something's
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happening but guys I couldn't believe that that actually happens like I thought that was [ __ ] I fully
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thought that was [ __ ] I'm not trying it but it they get mad at you ask your dream people what the date and time is I
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want to see if anybody gets the date and time all right Dave was saying though to
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be careful lucid dreaming because night terrors yeah like walk yourself in a night that's only that's when you uh you
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put yourself in a lucid dream right if you're just accidentally lucid dreaming then you're fine go [ __ ] ask people
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what the date but like be prepared to be scared yeah because that's a that's a disheartening experience now I'm gonna
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start looking it up though looking more into it because I was like that was a wild experience the government's coming
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the Ripper I don't I don't I don't mean to it's literally just happening so I feel like
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that's telling me something like I'm gonna solve the case or something perhaps but Tobias already did that's
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true so maybe me and Tobias together are going to solve the case maybe I think so
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uh 2020 let's manifest it so this doesn't technically have like a connection to the Jack the Ripper case
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but they it was during the same time period kind of and people were using that case with this case so it kind of
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connects okay so this is the case of Theodore Durant the demon of The Belfry that's disappointing because Theodore is
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one of my favorite names well technically his full name is William Henry Theodore Durant but I know that
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you also love the name Henry so yeah that's like my two future children's names so that sucks so there's that but
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this is a wild case um there's a book called Sympathy for the Devil the Emmanuel Baptist murders
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of Old San Francisco and it's by Virginia McConnell I highly recommend you go read it because it's got a lot of
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good insights into this case and her particular insights into it and I thought they were very interesting so I
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recommend you go find it also I'm pretty sure and I will look for it hopefully I
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can find it I think there's like um you can read it for free online I think I'll
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have to see if I can find it also you should name your band that if you're a musician Sympathy for the Devil we are
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Sympathy for the Devil thank you Cleveland hello Wisconsin I think that's great uh but yeah do that uh this is
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another case like I said that has some kind of weird connection to Jack the Ripper in the sense that the fear from
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it was rooted in Jack's murder for pleasure way of living because that was new right you know this like this whole
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murder for murder sake was not something people were used to at this point usually it was for game you know so this
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is the story of Theodore Durant he was a Canadian immigrant to San Francisco California in the late 1800s he was a
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medical student known as a very kind very giving man and also was the assistant superintendent of the 21st
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Street Emmanuel Baptist Church Sunday school sure yeah lastly he was a vicious murderer who was able to blend into
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society and blend into the world of decency without issue weird so he had a lot of layers yeah but of course with
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any case like this there were people who thought he was there was people who actually kind of couldn't and still now
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can't determine whether he did it or not he 100 did it okay like this isn't one of those cases where it's like I don't
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know maybe it was someone else like 100 he committed these crimes awesome he was
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convicted of committing these crimes but like people find any way to just go against what reality is at this point so
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there's that but it's still a wild story it went across the nation it went overseas like it was a big story at the
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time so let's talk about this [ __ ] here first like I said his name was actually
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William Henry Theodore Durant he was born on April 24th 1871 although later I think in part two of this case I'm gonna
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talk about the trial and he'll tell you he doesn't even know if that's his real birthday except he does so okay we'll
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get into it was he like trying to to clean insanity or something no no just being a dude no he was just being a dick
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I was just saying that like you know he was trying to be very specific when they
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asked him what his birthday was and he was like well by reports it's this date but you know I was there as an infant so
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I don't know well like he was literally it's one of those his parents were William and Isabella Durant and they had
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him in Hamilton Ontario after their marriage they had Theodore and two years after Durant's birth or Theodore's birth
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his sister Ula mod was born oh that's a dope ass name it's a cool name she went by mod and eventually became a famed
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dancer of course she did with the name yeah which made her brother's later crimes even more shocking that she was
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like this famous dancer the family had another boy in 1877 but he unfortunately passed away only weeks after birth from
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infantile convulsions oh that's terrible is that basically like a seizure I think
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so and I think his name was Edward his name was going to be Edward now apparently the Durants were not like
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a match made in heaven they were not turbulent really but people just found their Union very odd she was apparently
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very ambitious and very excitable she was always on the go and sounds kind of like an extrovert his father on the
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other hand was allegedly very quote unquote drab and boring um of course opposites can attract I was
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gonna say but his father also like had an unpredictable personality not like an exciting sense but in like a scary Moody
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sense so people just were kind of like I don't know about you guys but they had both
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met when they were working at the Charles and Hamilton Shoe Factory in Toronto she left to be a homemaker once
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they had Theodore and he stayed working there so according to Virginia McConnell it
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seems who wrote that book that I mentioned it seems for the devil Sympathy for the Devil it seems like
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William May William the father may have suffered from bipolar disorder okay that's what Virginia is surmising from
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her research he had some unstable moods he like I said his behavior was a little
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unpredictable at times and this may have been exhaust exacerbated by their son Edwards tragic and untimely death yeah
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definitely again that is not like a blanket diagnosis overall bipolar disorders no this is just what she is
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surmising from what she read okay that's all now William traveled to England a few times for unspecified treatment for
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his like what was going what he was had going on mentally and was not present in
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the home a lot as the kids were growing up Isabella however was there 24 7 and she formed a very strong bond with her
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children which means Theodore was there with his sister and his mom 24 7. okay also it
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seemed kind of like Isabella was like sure sure you go we're fine here like she it was kind of one of those things
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where the dad was just not really around yeah he was doing points you know probably like I mean there wasn't a lot
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understood back then about mental health so it was probably annoying to her that
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he was going through mood swings exactly was so she was probably like yeah just get out I got this right so it became
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kind of she was the main caretaker now in 1878 William returned from one of his treatments in England which we don't get
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any specifics for what these treatments were or what they are for it's just kind
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of like his treatment quote unquote so he comes home from a treatment in England and told his family he was going
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to move to San Francisco where he believed he could get a better job and make more money San Francisco
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California is he taking them with him well he said he was going to but not right away he said once he got himself
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stable there he would bring out the family okay I can kind of understand that kind of set everything up get a job
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get a place to live yeah get it all set for you guys but again Isabella was left
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alone with the kids so in 1879 he eventually did bring them to San Francisco so the next year he brought
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them to San Francisco it took a while to get set up sure did but he was not able
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to hold down a job because of these what he was going through okay like because of his erratic moods because of his
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erratic Behavior he just wasn't able to hold down a job he had a lot of outbursts and you know it was kind of it
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was left unchecked at this point so employers at this point and at this time were definitely not willing to deal with
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that or understand it but that we didn't know they just weren't willing to know but things got so bad that the whole
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Durant family had to move in with William's parents for a time because otherwise they would have just been
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without a place to live oh man Theo however was doing all right okay he was popular with his peers and his teacher
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said he was a good student never gotten any trouble he especially excelled at things that let him get his hands busy
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and Tinker with things he liked mechanical stuff technical stuff electrical things he reminds me a little
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bit of Peter cliff in that way yeah in that manner sure but he eventually went to Cogswell polytechnical College and
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took more classes involving engineering and electrical things and he registered for the 1891 semester at Stanford
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University sure unfortunately likely due to his family's Financial woes he was unable to attend that semester and it
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did bother him so instead of letting it just stop him in his tracks though he did end up enrolling at San Francisco
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Cooper Medical College in 1893 and decided his love of tinkering and opening things up to explore would serve
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him well for a medical degree which is not a bad idea his mother really steered him in this Direction
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with the hopes that he would be able to make money and raise his social standing
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yeah which was huge back then 1890s like social standing is everything classes were very distinct back then and he did
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he did well in school he received very high grades as a result he was also known to take extremely meticulous
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lecture notes and he would share them with anybody if they asked oh so he was a very nice guy yeah as we will see
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through this entire thing this is not one of those like yeah like he wasn't they didn't really show any signs of of
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what was to come it's not one of those it's like oh no he literally went out of his way to help people
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weird and like people knew him as a very kind genuine not at all weird human huh yeah
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this is a very strange case in that sense it's very weird it's like he just he must have been hiding some deep dark
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[ __ ] but I think something may have helped unleash it but it's weird this one's a weird one I'm interested yeah so
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Theo had learned to work with what he had basically both financially and fashionably he was not a Bridge Troll
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but he was slightly different looking when it comes to like the beauty standards of that time okay I don't
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think he was like ugly by any stretch I'll let you know but I'm just kidding by the the standards of the time he was
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shorter than most but men he was five foot five which does not translate into unattractive but it gave him a little
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bit of a complex in his own mind he had very wide set eyes which were very noticeable okay and apparently he had a
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notably misshapen head which I'm like how do you even tell that with her yeah like I don't know about that one
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I'm looking for a pic right now and then they said he had like bigger lips which
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I was like that's like an attractive quality but today what is happening here like and then you look up pictures and
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you're like yeah I wouldn't it's a pretty normal looking dude I just wouldn't even notice like I'd just be
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like hello sir yeah like it wouldn't excite me it wouldn't repel me I wouldn't I don't really see anything
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misshapen about his head right it's a very stiff but it was very much like stated that he had a misshapen weird but
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instead of focusing on those things that may have brought his confidence down he
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really decided to focus on the sartorial part of his life he was going to be a fashionista
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he was impeccably dressed at all times and he would actually put away clothing that was out of fashion or season same
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and this was not easy to do on his budget at the time yeah he didn't have all this extra income but he made sure
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he always had what was in fashion it was always in season he always was put together Stacy and Clinton would be so
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proud they would he didn't put all of this on his parents either he didn't because you're thinking like okay so his
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parents are having to pay for this [ __ ] wardrobe of his but apparently he didn't want to do that because again
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he was a weirdly nice guy for some period of time he got himself a job at the morning call which was a daily
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newspaper in the area he became a delivery boy and he did other things around it and he saved all of his money
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he gave some of it to his parents wow and then sock the rest away to buy himself things like a bicycle and other
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things he would eventually move on to work at a lot of department stores across the city he also did clerical
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work at the Manheim insurance company and he was known to be very handy which again is very disconcerting when you
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hear what he eventually was convicted of doing oh great he would use his skills to help out like his electrical
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tinkering technological skills he would use them to help out friends and family and neighbors and he became known as the
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handyman who would help you out in a pinch for anything you had electrical issues Theo will come over for no charge
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and I'll help you out that's just crazy eventually he actually became the volunteer handyman at the 21st Street
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Emmanuel Baptist Church he would paint repair anything around the church he would build things for
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Gatherings he would build stages for the events he was giving he was kind he was
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helpful what the [ __ ] happened I don't know well I can tell you what I think at
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least contributed to something snapping that was already there there had to have
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been something already there yeah you don't do what he did and we'll obviously get into it without some kind of
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Darkness being inside of you so in the spring of 1894 Theodore contracted a quote near fatal case of
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viral meningitis which is the inflammation of the lining of the brain caused by a virus or bacteria it can be
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life-threatening yeah it has severe consequences especially back then nowadays we have antibiotics and medical
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intervention that makes this just not what it was once but this was a mixture of no medical advances in this area and
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horrific sanitary conditions because of the 1800s of it all yeah there's always that of it yeah and it would make this
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illness pretty fatal most of the time he contracted it a very severe case of it and his mother Isabella was the one to
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actually nurse him back to health but he lost 40 pounds during the illness holy [ __ ] and according to the previously
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mentioned Source um the quote there was undoubtedly some neurological damage yeah so boom so that's what I think
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kick-started some of these thoughts he was having and some of these things he was doing because we talked about how by
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the standards of the day I guess like he was shorter he was like the wide set eyes or something like that I don't know
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I don't think he's even that way I don't think he's unattractive I don't I'm not
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like but it's like no I'm just like you're a guy yeah you're just like you're a man that's fine but apparently
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he had some kind of complex I don't know if somebody had said something to him or
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what but he had to pretend and I I do believe it has to do a lot with stature I think stature had a lot to do with it
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back then like by five not that tall and he wasn't like a big guy either so I think then it was like important to be
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tall and really like statuesque I didn't even know that I mean Napoleon did like
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things didn't he he did things well he had Napoleon complex yeah that's what I'm saying but you know he did stuff
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well that's the thing it's not right but it's you know it's not right before okay
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but it's okay but I think he tried to make up for it but with a lot of bravado and a lot of like I'm like a God I'm
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this like sexual like a sexual prowess a very much a Napoleon complex and so I think that that inflammation there that
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uh meningitis definitely popped something off that made him feel more obsessed with that like it almost
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like kick-started a lot of obsessive thoughts okay I can see that yeah it's the only thing I can point to to be
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onepeloton.com home Dash trial there does obviously you can point to as well there is some kind of mental
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illness that is running through the family as well but again mental illness doesn't equal murder people so it's like
00:29:52
you can't point to just like well his father had something going on that's like I think there had to have been
00:29:57
something yeah so the next year on Wednesday April 3rd 1895 this was the next year after he had like recovered
00:30:05
from this illness um the family of 21 year old Blanche Lamont and this is 21 year old by the
00:30:13
way barely out of teenagers I know what's going to happen now that you've specified that they were beginning to
00:30:19
panic a bit on this night because she had not returned home after um after that afternoon she had a violin lesson
00:30:26
and it wasn't like Blanche to disappear without notice Blanche had moved to California recently from Montana and she
00:30:33
had been a school teacher in Montana but she was in California taking courses is
00:30:37
to further her education all right she was staying with relatives in California so she had last been known to be with
00:30:44
her friend Minnie Edwards who was questioned and many told investigators that she indeed was with Blanche that
00:30:51
day that she went missing and together they had left classes and were waiting together for a streetcar to come all
00:30:57
right and if you look up like what us we can post some pictures because I have this really old ass book that I found
00:31:04
that is called report of the trial of William Henry Theodore Durant she is holding it right now it's like leather
00:31:11
bound it's this cool old ass book but in it they have a lot of pictures of like the streetcar and all that stuff I'm
00:31:18
interested so we'll try to post I'll I'll make sure that those pictures get posted with this
00:31:23
um but it's interesting so they were waiting for the streetcar together and as they waited Minnie said she was
00:31:30
talking they were talking together just chit-chatting about what they were gonna
00:31:32
do I think they were making plans together and she said a man came up behind them and clearly knew Blanche and
00:31:39
she said he tipped his hat towards her all right and then offered to carry her books for her so this is the 1800s
00:31:46
version of flirting yeah basically and they all got on the streetcar together but Minnie said she went on the inside
00:31:53
of the streetcar and these she let them sit on the outside which again when we post the picture I think it'll make a
00:31:59
little more sense okay part of a street car is like outside seats where you're just like sitting almost like a trolley
00:32:06
or like even like a hayride or like you can sit in the middle or you can sit on the edge yeah and like the outside of it
00:32:11
was literally like you're facing out into the street and it's open yeah okay you're just sitting there I could then
00:32:16
there was like a fully covered inside so Minnie said she sat on the inside because she wanted to let them just she
00:32:22
was like clearly they know each other she's she's being a good gal pal yeah she was like they seem to like each
00:32:28
other like I'm just gonna give them space to catch up find her own like good for Minnie she was just trying to be a
00:32:33
good gal friend now several other Witnesses corroborated mini story and remembered seeing this man because
00:32:39
apparently at this time it was not allowed for women to be in the company of men at the school oh so this many
00:32:48
Cairns were out there taking notes this day scandalous and weirdly not one of them could give a physical description
00:32:54
of this man so they weren't taking like proper notes yeah so I'm like I don't know you weren't doing your job too busy
00:33:01
gossiping a woman named Elizabeth Crozet told investigators that she got onto the
00:33:06
streetcar and saw one Theodore Durant sitting on the seat next to a young lady and they seemed to be enjoying each
00:33:13
other's company Elizabeth recognized Theodore because he was friends with her grandson Jim and
00:33:19
she liked Theo she had thought he was very kind very helpful very generous young man in fact she knew him to be
00:33:25
such a gentleman and so helpful that she was she was older and so she was just about to approach him on the streetcar
00:33:32
and ask him to be her hero and help her get off the streetcar at her stop oh because she knew he would yeah she was
00:33:40
like absolutely he would do it but she said before she could get to Theo Theo and this young lady she didn't know got
00:33:47
off together at the 21st Street in Valencia and started walking together in the direction of the Emmanuel Baptist
00:33:54
Church okay she was able to say all that okay so the woman there was another woman who lived across the street from
00:34:02
the Emmanuel Baptist Church her name was Caroline leak she told investigators that she also knew Theo very well
00:34:09
because he was the church's handyman and also was the assistant superintendent of
00:34:13
the church's Sunday school he passed out the hymn books at the services was an officer in the young people's Christian
00:34:20
Endeavor society and served as Usher on most Sundays damn Theo is doing it the most she also said she saw Theo out her
00:34:30
window that day when when um what was her the Elizabeth Crow set what Elizabeth crossette said that they had
00:34:37
got off the streetcar Caroline leak said I saw her hit Theo out my window and that he was with a
00:34:44
woman that she didn't recognize and they were walking towards the church I'm trying to keep this all noted but now I
00:34:50
just have Melissa Etheridge stuck in my head there you go come to my window you know but she was certain of this because
00:34:56
she also had a Karen moment and thought it was very imprudent for this young hussy of a lady to be walking into
00:35:03
church with a man alone they're going into church yeah like calm down she was so bothered by this that
00:35:10
she sat by her window to watch and see if that when they came out together wow she said she sat for a long time but
00:35:17
they didn't come out what a creep yeah so what we have is we have made just to give you a quick little rundown we have
00:35:25
many Edwards who is blanche's friend one they were standing at the bus stop the streetcar stop
00:35:31
Theo walks up and says hey girl hey and they start flirting direct quote they get on that street car Minnie kind of
00:35:37
sits away but she sees them get on the outside of the streetcar we got Elizabeth crossette who knows Theo very
00:35:44
well saw Theo in the presence of Blanche she didn't know his Blanche at the time
00:35:48
but later said yes that was blinch didn't know her said they seem to really like each other it was really cute she
00:35:54
was gonna ask Theo to let her off the helper off the streetcar but he had left on the stop for the church then we got
00:36:01
Caroline leak who throws Theo knows him very well seems to take a liking in him as well because knows every [ __ ]
00:36:07
thing that he's ever done Caroline and she's looking out her window she sees Theo in the presence of a young lady who
00:36:14
she later said yes that was Blanche uh Blanche Lamont they were entering the church together and they did not come
00:36:20
out I'm nervous about this church because every time you keep saying the church's name your eyes do this weird
00:36:26
thing that says to me ashkel remember that church remember that church this was the last anyone saw of
00:36:33
blanchola yeah I had that feeling she entered the Emmanuel Baptist Church with Theodore Durant and she never came back
00:36:39
out okay so immediately the following day she was reported missing since this story included and remember the 1800s of
00:36:47
it all since this story included the salacious bit that she was last seen alone with a man no they assumed she ran
00:36:55
off and eloped with him where are my pearls now this this sounds crazy because you're like this random man that
00:37:02
like yeah she knew him but like she's just running off in a loping with him right this wasn't completely out of left
00:37:08
field because Theo and Blanche did know each other Minnie was a new friend of blanches so
00:37:16
what many didn't know was that Theo and Blanche had dated pretty seriously oh so when Minnie was saying like this
00:37:23
guy came up I didn't know who he was but they seemed to kind of know each other they did Minnie was a new friend she
00:37:27
just didn't know that they had dated that history they've dated pretty seriously pretty seriously in the sense
00:37:34
that it was like three months of dating but back then it was like we might as well propose now I was gonna say that's
00:37:39
a whole courtship exactly and the before this event happened it was like months earlier he had proposed oh [ __ ] and she
00:37:48
had told him it's not a no but it's not a yes I would like to slow things down okay fair so she said I'd like to slow
00:37:56
things down I'd actually like to call this off for right now just let me have some time okay but like maybe just let's
00:38:04
see what what else is good like I just want to slow it down that's all I want to take a step back from this
00:38:09
relationship I'm not sure if this is what I want so she had basically called it off she had technically rejected his
00:38:17
proposal but people took this like I just want to slow down we'll see what happens later as like well maybe she
00:38:24
changed her mind and just decided to elope with him okay I could say that for sure it's just people reaching us like
00:38:30
hopefully nothing bad happened yeah yeah so that Friday there was still no sign of Blanche and that happened on a
00:38:36
Wednesday is she and no one had heard from her either and now it was starting to get to be a scary situation they were
00:38:43
trying to keep this from turning into tabloid gossip and getting more salacious so the family kept a lot of
00:38:48
the details quiet and weren't telling a lot of people besides investigators they
00:38:53
just didn't want to ruffle any feathers here and the investigators were just quietly
00:38:58
working to find her this led to Theo Duran actually stopping by the relative's house where Blanche lived he
00:39:08
stopped there on that Friday and dropped a book off to her sister Maud um and dropped the book off and said I
00:39:15
promised Blanche I would let her borrow this book can you give it to her huh and
00:39:20
her sister was like um she's not home and he was like and at that time she was missing but he didn't
00:39:26
she didn't want to let him know that of course they were supposed to keep it quiet and he was like oh where is she
00:39:32
like asked questions and was like but seemingly a court like mod was like now looking back on it it almost seemed like
00:39:39
oh really like she's not home weird like almost like he's enjoying the fact that
00:39:45
her sister had to play so it's like and to me this is a perfect way for him to just use this as like I didn't know she
00:39:54
was I didn't I even brought her a book right I loaned her a book on Friday that's how much I didn't know that she
00:40:00
was missing so the next week was when everything came public because the family couldn't keep any the secrets any
00:40:06
longer now they just wanted everybody to know because they just wanted to find Blanche so they opened up everything and
00:40:12
now police actively were speaking to anyone Blanche may have been with or dated at any point I'm confused because
00:40:19
they interviewed a lot of former suitors but not the one man who she was seen with that day it didn't interview him
00:40:27
they really focused more on this man named Tom Vogel who was a doctor that she had dated okay
00:40:33
now Vogel pointed this out and said Theo was with her that day like several people are saying he was with her that
00:40:41
day but even her family was like no that's not possible like wow Theodore had nothing to do with this and they
00:40:48
literally said no not possible how sad is that because I'm getting the sense that off Theo did this
00:40:54
um that's and you know what that's how much of a front he was able to put on and have people buy at this time
00:41:00
um to hit her sister blanche's sister Maude Lamont actually posted ads in the classified sections of the newspapers in
00:41:08
the area that said Blanche no matter what has happened come back to me oh and she never got a response My Heart by
00:41:16
this time news was flooded with the details of this case so far they'd printed the details now they were
00:41:22
finally printing details of Theo being the last one to see be with her here we go and now about their relationship that
00:41:28
they had so gossip started formaling but it formally forming but it was mostly just kind of like harmless gossip at
00:41:35
that time no one actually believed Theo had anything to do with blanche's disappearance okay it was more now
00:41:41
people were like teasing Theo about it because they were like this is [ __ ] like that's so crazy so they'd be like
00:41:47
oh feel like did you really do that and he's like oh well no like and they were like of course not ah yeah I hate that
00:41:54
nine days after Blanche went missing another woman connected to Theodore Durant was supposed to be showing up at
00:42:01
a party who's that in this party well the party that she was supposed to go to was Tom vogel's party oh [ __ ] there was
00:42:09
a lot of like inner inner hanging out here world class exactly um and she didn't show up to this party
00:42:16
this woman was Marion Minnie Williams I know there's a lot of the same names too
00:42:20
makes sense you know 1800s uh and again this is not to be confused with Minnie Edwards who is blanche's new friend no
00:42:26
this is Minnie Williams Minnie Williams had met Theo through the church where she was working as a quote domestic
00:42:33
worker so she was a maid yeah she was vivacious and brought a lot of life into anywhere she went in fact she too like
00:42:40
Theo had come from Canada and when she first moved to California she settled in Almeda and she got work as a maid for
00:42:47
Clark Morgan who was the former head of the California casket company [ __ ] she
00:42:53
was Cobb she was apparently not a great maid but they kept her because the family adored her so much and came to
00:43:00
think of her as such a happy presence in their home that they were like I don't even care that she's not that great of a
00:43:05
mate I like to think that's why the pub that I worked at kept me for so long but I'm fun but you're great yeah but
00:43:13
she was that kind of person she was just like a really awesome person foreign [Music]
00:43:33
on a job at the church in San Fran that's where she met Theo he had just gotten out of a relationship
00:43:40
with a woman named Flora who was in a much higher social class and was actually engaged to her for a small
00:43:47
period of time but they had broken things off too oh and he showed a great interest in Minnie when she showed up so
00:43:55
he was very interested in her but then quickly showed her that he was very interested in having a sexual
00:44:02
relationship but the times they were a different and unmarried it was forbidden yeah
00:44:09
forbidden and honestly Minnie was of a lower social class than he was so there was several things going against this
00:44:17
whole thing in many was a respectable woman of the time and wasn't going to give in to his
00:44:24
crazy desires so after they dated a bit he got bored and that's when he moved on
00:44:29
to Blanche I see okay okay so many what what people think is that Minnie was a maid he had just dated someone named
00:44:37
Flora who was way higher class than he was yes so the reports came out that he had very much tried to have a sexual
00:44:44
relationship with Flora as well and she was like no no no I'm not married to you
00:44:48
right and so he looked at that as like okay well she's not because she's a respectable higher class lady but Minnie
00:44:56
is just a maid like what is she like what the and it's like that's literally what he was thinking like she's lower
00:45:02
class than me so men are trashed and when Minnie didn't he got annoyed it's true this this man's is trash that's for
00:45:11
sure and when Minnie wouldn't do it he was shocked and probably a little shamed because he was thinking this was going
00:45:18
to be easy yep and then he decided to move on to Blanche who was pretty much in the same class as he was okay a lot
00:45:24
of class [ __ ] Happening Here so he moved on to Blanche and so at the time of Minnie's disappearance she was
00:45:31
actually many was interested in pursuing Tom Vogel oh wow this is wild I know this is a love rectangle it's very much
00:45:39
like Peyton's place so what's that it's wow it's like an old show I probably should have uh Melrose please I know
00:45:47
what that is that I didn't watch it but okay but you know it's like a scandalous
00:45:50
[ __ ] sure uh it's like Vanderpump Rules okay it's like that yeah there it is I
00:45:56
was like wait I know I know something relevant that's literally it so this is why that
00:46:04
evening that Minnie did not show up at this party she had put on her fanciest dress and got her hair done because she
00:46:12
was meeting Tom Vogel at his party then oh and do you think he was interested in
00:46:16
her I think he would I do too I'd like to think he was she had to take a train and then a fair a ferry to San Fran she
00:46:23
was committed she was committed Witnesses later came forward to say that they actually saw theodorant at the San
00:46:30
Fran Ferry Terminal imagine that and he was clearly waiting for someone Charles Dodge who was a fellow student
00:46:37
with uh with Theo and a friend from the Cooper Medical School actually talked to
00:46:43
Theo at the ferry entrance in fact he reported that he made a joke because of the recent headlines and said Durant
00:46:51
what have you done with that girl you made a way with I and he was obviously talking about Blanche and another man
00:46:57
named Frank sademan actually stopped and talked to Theo at the ferry entrance he
00:47:02
was the janitor for the church or one of the janitors for the church and knew Theo very well
00:47:07
sademan told police that part of their conversation including included Theo telling him that he was at the ferry
00:47:14
because he was looking for Blanche what he told him he had quote received a clue
00:47:20
that she will be leaving the city and going over to East Bay okay like what are you doing like sir do you
00:47:26
have her body that's everybody so he was basically being like I heard something that said that she was going to be
00:47:32
leaving on the ferry so I'm here to try to intercept her so I can bring her to her family I'm a hero yeah even after
00:47:39
this interaction with a witness yet another man who was he was friends with a Sofio and his name was Adolf home
00:47:47
which sorry about that name bro who was another friend from school and he saw him with walking with a very short young
00:47:55
woman and this woman was wearing what he referred to as a turban around her hair
00:48:00
and a cape okay Minnie Williams had left her home for that part for the part of the for the party for the party that
00:48:08
evening wearing those two things because she had gotten her hair done exactly she
00:48:13
didn't want to mess it up perhaps the most damning witness report was from Alexander Zenger he lived down the
00:48:20
street with an eyesight of the church so he was kind of like Caroline leak there
00:48:25
uh who's across the church he was just like won over from her busy body and he was a regular parishioner there he had
00:48:31
recently heard gossip and that maybe this is why Caroline was like they're going in there unattended because he had
00:48:38
heard gossip that young people were sneaking into the church late as night to like [ __ ] [ __ ] in the church so yeah
00:48:46
I know that's awesome I know that's a sin before the the land of Jesus like what are you doing up here that is not
00:48:55
good and he was not about to let this happen under his watch I don't even think I'd let that happen under my wall
00:49:01
he was peeking out that window and he saw Theo and Minnie enter that church around 8 PM Theo is with many in the
00:49:09
church many too in the church he had taken her from that Ferry Terminal they had walked to that church and he was
00:49:16
entering with her and remember to get out that church she has had relationships with both Blanche and
00:49:21
Minnie now he was on again like I said he was on his own don't care and [ __ ] watching like a hawk so he said
00:49:28
he watched the whole time and an hour later at 9 00 pm he saw Theo exit the side door of the church and many didn't
00:49:37
leave so did anyone go to that church and say so let me check that out no so at 9 30 only a half hour later Theo
00:49:47
showed up at Tom vogel's door where the party was because he was invited to the party oh I know these are all friends
00:49:53
party Tom said Tom Vogel said that Theo looked a little disheveled and frazzled and that Theo told him he was sorry he
00:50:02
was late but he quote had trouble catching his horse at the Armory I bet Vogel noted that he was a little weirded
00:50:10
out and he also said he noted that Minnie Williams never showed up to the party and she'd attempt she had planned
00:50:17
to attend and he wanted her to be there he did I think I know and her family said she never made it home either
00:50:23
now we have another missing young woman and nothing had moved in blanche's disappearance at this point then the
00:50:30
following day after many went missing April 13th blanche's Aunt her aunt um trifena Noble I believe that is a fast
00:50:40
ass [ __ ] yeah there's some cool names in here she received a package in the mail
00:50:46
now again this is the day after many went missing April 13th when she opened this package there was one page of
00:50:53
newsprint from the examiner newspaper and it had the names George R king and Professor schustein on it okay now I I
00:51:03
don't know why but she opened the newspaper page and inside was another sheet of paper that was folded like an
00:51:09
envelope kind of and when it was opened inside were three rings all having belonged to Blanche ooh I don't like
00:51:18
that yes so detective Edward Gibson was called to check this evidence out obviously and he had seen this as a very
00:51:26
bad sign for blinch's Recovery alive he wouldn't have time to mull this over though for very long because the exact
00:51:34
same day mini would be found oh a woman named Lila Berry was waiting for some women to arrive at the Emmanuel Baptist
00:51:43
Church they were going to be doing some kind of function and while she was waiting she and some of the other women
00:51:48
decided to pass the time reading okay so Lila went into the closet of the church
00:51:53
library to show a woman named Mrs Nolte where the books were kept and when they opened the door they were met with a
00:52:00
gruesome scene oh no there in front of them Minnie Williams was on a table spread completely eagle
00:52:07
clearly deceased there was blood all over the floors the walls the books they panicked yeah and sent for Reverend
00:52:16
George Gibson which seems like his name should have officer in front of it yup but nope they got the pastor they called
00:52:24
the pastor I he's not legal guys like we gotta we gotta call the legal people you
00:52:29
gotta call the legal people in here so Reverend Gibson did the sensible thing and when he saw the body he called the
00:52:35
Golden nope he didn't he called the Golden Gate undertaking company and asked them to please remove the body
00:52:42
secretly from the church and not let anyone know about it why because he didn't want to scare
00:52:48
parishioners uh I think it might come out that she was found there because here we are
00:52:53
today yeah so then the other The Undertaker came and was like no this is a literal murder scene you actual idiots
00:53:03
and he called the police like the Undertaker was the one that was like nah I'm not just gonna remove this body
00:53:10
that's illegal this is like the worst game of Television you're [ __ ] kidding me so he called the police he
00:53:15
was like what the [ __ ] he also called Tom Vogel because he was the closest doctor which oh [ __ ] would act as a
00:53:22
temporary corner here even though they actually have a corner holy isn't this like very scandalous it was yeah Vogel
00:53:30
was obviously shocked to see this woman was Manny Williams just so terrible for Minnie too that like he he was the one
00:53:37
who had to do it they reported initially that she was lying spread eagle with her
00:53:41
party dress pushed up above her knees and a knife handle was broken and lying on her chest okay when the coroner
00:53:49
actually came and made his report he said after a more thorough examination this was a brutal
00:53:56
slaying they had found strips of cloth shoved down Minnie's throat what the strips had been torn from her own
00:54:05
undergarments and they found a sharpened stick that had been used to forcibly shove the fabric down her throat oh my
00:54:12
God they actually found that the stick had been pulled from a table that she was lying on and the killer had had to
00:54:20
sharpen the stick with a knife before using it to push the fabric down Minnie's throat oh my god there was a
00:54:26
deep laceration on her forehead that went down to her nose and was bleeding extensively there was lacerations on
00:54:34
multiple parts of her body but her wrists were cut and her hands were almost completely it said so deeply
00:54:41
they'd almost been severed from the arms holy [ __ ] both of them yeah she had also
00:54:46
been stabbed several times in the chest with such force and rage that the knife had broken and the blade was still in
00:54:53
her chest oh my God the handle was left flying on her chest also it was a butter knife
00:55:02
what she had been stabbed with a butter knife that hard that the handle broke off and hard enough to penetrate her
00:55:11
heart with a butter with a butter knife do you know the force you have to use so he was
00:55:17
little but he was strong and it's like the force you have to use to get a butter knife through someone even a dull
00:55:25
scalpel won't cut through like flesh unless you give it a good like pop Force yeah like that's but a butter knife wow
00:55:34
it was also discovered unfortunately that Minnie had been violently raped before and after death oh my God
00:55:43
her cause of death though was thought to be asphyxiation from those pieces of fabric being shoved down her so she was
00:55:49
alive when that happened yep it was probably to keep her quiet initially he placed her time of death at
00:55:57
around midnight the previous evening but this was this was um what the initial examination but after an analysis of her
00:56:04
stomach contents he actually revised that time of death and said actually I'd say about 8 30 PM the previous evening I
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don't know if we want to go back really quick I do but um our little pal who was
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watching out to see if people were [ __ ] in the church he saw the mentor around 8 30 8 o'clock
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basically and then he saw Theo leave at nine yeah 8 30 p.m is a perfect time for
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that to have happened and then he must have he like cleaned up in the church somewhere yeah
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himself up I mean yeah he must have now when they searched the area they quickly
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knew this person had to know their way around the church that room was not known to everyone and the piece of the
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table used and sharpened was not something that people would know was there to pull off huh also the knife he
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used was one of the church's kitchen knives so he knew so he had to go into the kitchen find that and be able to use
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it so news spread quickly that there was a murder in the church so the path calling
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the pastor didn't didn't really work out for them um and it put they put together that
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there was probably a connection to the missing The Disappearance of Blanche Lamont definitely some papers were very
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typically 1800s and said in headlines that the body had been quote hacked to pieces with a dull table knife nice well
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that is pretty true yeah to be honest like that's a pretty salacious headline yeah I don't think we need to put that
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out there they also said that the assailant had evidently possessed all the ferocity of Jack the Ripper okay now
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Blanche and Minnie again they both had dated uh Theo and they knew each other they were acquaintances oh wow they ran
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in the same circles yeah the media also pointed to the connection obviously with
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Theo to be like haha I think we have our guy and everybody's spotting him with these women all the witnesses and
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Minnie's own friends pointed fingers at Theodore and were like I don't want to believe he did it but that's the only
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[ __ ] thing I can think of well and then was Tom Vogel like yeah he showed up disheveled as [ __ ] and looked frantic
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to my party he gave value to investigators and according to one article Theodore quote had written to
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many yesterday asking her to meet him in San Francisco I'll bet you put that in writing yep and she did and it says um
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that it was the Sunday Oregonian or Oregonian or probably Oregonian Oregonian right yeah that makes sense I
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think so um in 1895 it said but she did not look upon his advances with favor because she was like you're a [ __ ] yeah
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and he probably got mad at her well and who broke off she broke off their engagement I think it was one of those
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like I think it was like a mutual thing where she was like I'm not gonna sleep with you and he was like well I'm bored
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now and she's like then you can get so she was probably like [ __ ] you you're like you're a [ __ ] boy and then he's
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like meet me in San Francisco she's probably because then he immediately went to Blanche so she was probably like
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okay [ __ ] like no I wonder oh my gosh she must have been scared too because she knew that he moved on to Blanche and
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it's like and she's like what the heck and that blitch is missing so detective Gibson was certain that
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they had a connection that Minnie and Blanche did for sure and a killer that was common for both cases and even
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though they had not found blanche's body at this point he was convinced that they
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would find her soon and he was 100 sure they would find her on the church grounds oh and that is where I'm going
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to end part one [ __ ] but don't worry part two is only like what like 12 hours away 24 hours away goodness girlfriend
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you're killing us but I'm telling you there's more the trial is pretty wild we still have the discovery of Blanche yeah
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it's a it's a wild one this is this one really interested me I'm I'm I'm here I'm ready I'm ready for part two I think
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we should record it right now sorry everybody else I think we're going to so my guard so stay tuned and we hope we
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keep listening and we hope you keep it we here but not to worry that when somebody doesn't want to date you
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anymore you don't murder them because like wow you could date so many other people instead that's like a healthy
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coping mechanism bye yeah don't do that yeah yeah [Music] foreign