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those I'm Alina I'm Ash and this is morbid [Music] woohoo it's a morning it's a morning
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morbid morning in the morning it's morning yeah I have like about half left in my coffee this morning in The
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Morbid there you go in The Morbid pod lab that's what it is morning in The Morbid pod lab oh Gorge I did it morbid
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in the morning and you know what this week is fun because Caleb is in Massachusetts we say
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this all the time but Caleb is genuinely just a shot in the arm he truly is a human form of a shot in the arm he is he
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just makes you're just like oh all right like I feel boosted everything's fine I
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feel immune yeah you really don't like he just makes you feel good I feel Lively I feel I'm happy you should all
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have a Caleb it's it's really it's great everyone needs a Caleb he's also 10 out
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of 10 recommends the chillest human to host like I'm like we have to like go record [ __ ] and I'm like I'm really
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sorry like there's snacks in the cabinet and he's like dude I'm just chilling dude I'm like I love you so much I feel
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like both of us at this point just consider Caleb a brother oh 100 he's literally in my wedding party yes yeah
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and we're gonna record an episode of scream while we're here together in the flesh which is always fun I think we're
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also planning on having him um in one of the episodes I think that will be coming
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up next week I think so we're we're still getting used to this whole being scheduled thing yeah and you know what
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like good we're glad it's a very good thing it's just we're uh we're trying to figure it out we're making we want to
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make sure that we are on that schedule like to the T yeah we just want to be on our [ __ ] I just want to be on our
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[ __ ] you know like it's it's time and we hope that you guys uh we hope you guys are liking the extra episode I know
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it hasn't been like it's been like a minute and a half but like it's gonna keep going
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um but we're excited because we've been able to kind of like really mess around with that third episode every week like
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I've been able to kind of like go into things that we didn't know if we had time to put into the week before you
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know like when we two episodes we were like okay well it's either two two crime cases or like maybe we'll throw in a
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listener tail every now and then we were trying to be like really rigid about it
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but now it's like we can kind of be we can reach out into different things with this other one and yeah it's been a lot
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of fun and it's it's a lot of fun to research and a lot of fun to record so like we're excited we're excited and
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we're working on some really cool [ __ ] that I think you guys are gonna like also I just wanted to point out I don't
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know if we've said anything on on air yet but our new website that um oh yeah the merch website yeah sorry
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I don't know why I just stopped talking again she just stopped off she's she's not kicked in but no so our new
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wondering shop is up we have a ton of cool [ __ ] we have like t-shirts there's coasters there's swimming where we got
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you some sweatpants and we're already working on more stuff to come like a lot of I've seen a lot of people asking if
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like this is it is this just the morbid merch it's not no no no no no no not and
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it's like stuff that you have requested yes we have written like Trust me you requesting something we've written it
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down a little document every time we see it it is in a Google doc we have a long
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list of things that we have seen people ask for especially if it's like a lot of
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people we see asking for the same thing like people are asking for like pop sockets and
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um like uh backpacks stuff like that so we've written that down but uh just to point out the URL to the shop if you'd
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like to go that's important that'd be good it's wonderyshop.com collections slash morbid and you can go
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in there man it's really cool and I think something that's really fun about this merch line is that it's really
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expressive is that a word yeah it is cool about both of our tastes like I feel like you can see both of us within
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the collection which I really like we had a huge hand in these ones now and like we got to like wonder he's been so
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amazing like collaborating with us on it and really taking who we are into consideration yeah and we like doing
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tweaks and things that were important to us and they uh you know we've they wanted to know a lot about like our
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listeners and like who are you guys who do you like you know like it was really cool that we were able to like think of
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what of you guys yeah we were just you know what I mean like it was like a big bubbling cauldron and we were like they
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like this and they're like this and we like this and we know that they like this and then it came together and then
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poofed The Morbid wondery shop is up because again you guys are the reason we get to keep doing this you're the reason
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for the season you're I was gonna say that though I knew it yeah but like we want to make you guys happy that's the
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that's the the goal at all times that's literally all we ever want whenever we can check that off at the end of the day
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like we made up you know it's never we made everyone happy like that's no that that's unrealistic because that's not
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life but if we can make you guys Happy the majority like you've been listening to feeling like you know the ones that
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can be made happy I feel like which is 99.9 of everybody yeah um but those you know when we feel like we have like
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checked it off that we've made you happy we made you feel like you're listened to
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that's really important to us and we give you cool [ __ ] that's all we want to do like literally every day I wake up
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and I'm like I just want to make cool [ __ ] yeah like that's all I want to do like my whole life is just make cool
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[ __ ] I mean that's what you are doing you're making like a lot of cool [ __ ] so
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congratulations on achieving your goals that's how I feel though like whenever I
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put my episodes together I'm like I really hope they like this one man yeah you know it's just like you want like
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it's very much like a we just want to make you happy so yeah but hopefully this is this is a really great thing and
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you guys like the Merc shop it seems like you guys are digging it so that that's been like really cool and
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remember there's more to come there's more to come and there's more content coming and we have some things
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guys I'm like we have some things coming up that like oh yeah we can't tell you oh my God we have a really big thing
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coming in particular are we thinking about this it would be hilarious we're definitely thinking of this it's like
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yeah oh yeah I just melded it but you can't see that because this is a podcast yeah you guys are gonna [ __ ] your dicks
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when you hear about this truly truly so I am I'm losing it but but I am I'm losing it but you'll you'll know you'll
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know soon oh yeah there's there's like that one thing we're being so cryptic right now we're being so Cryptid right
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we're gonna be doing a crypted episode guys so you know what that was a little Freudian slip there the Cryptids are
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wild they're wild but we we have that one that we were just talking about that you can't hear about then we have one
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that's floating off into the atmosphere that I'm just like I have no idea what you're [ __ ]
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talking about for that one it's a big one you need a mouth it I don't know what that is oh yeah yeah
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okay reading lips is hard because I was talking really good for you guys with just your ears they're like what the
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[ __ ] can you stop that but I'm telling you there's two very big things that I'm
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just like waiting to really be able to tell you guys about it I think you're gonna lose your friends and we're very
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excited about it but you know what that's that we just figured today we were going to talk to you about all the
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cool [ __ ] that was happening and yeah sometimes be like we just need a minute to like talk to you just to chat with
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you hey not about any like news or anything terrible that's going on in the world because because you have the news
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for that yeah and honestly uh we can't keep up with it because there's terrible [ __ ] happening literally daily at this
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point every second and sometimes we gotta step away from it and just talk about uh Caleb you know okay but I know
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that we're seven minutes in but like you remember who we were as people in the beginning can I just can you quickly
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touch upon that um Tick Tock that you showed me with the mummies oh yeah okay let me bring up her name because you
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guys should follow her she is truly a good fall oh my God we're running up that hill Elena's like the way stranger
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things is [ __ ] rad and so is it Kate Bush it is guys if you oh I I want to talk to you guys about stranger things
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this season is so [ __ ] good I know Elena's made me convert I was like I don't know because I've never seen
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stranger things but I think I'm gonna go home and watch that tonight I showed Ash
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one one scene and she was like okay I'm in I am in it was like the SpongeBob me and I was like I'm a head out I'm gonna
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head out back to my house but either way sorry about that I opened Tick Tock and
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that was playing but don't be sorry that's a great song so there is a Creator on Tick Tock um her name is
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horror goth mommy which is for and her at there is Jamie j a m i e 13 the number 13 [ __ ] okay so follow her
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because she does really good videos on all kinds of spooky [ __ ] um and I believe she has a podcast as
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well and I will link it I was gonna say if you go to her actual page it might be
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in her like a link tree or something yeah it could be or but we'll link it I don't know I'll link it and then we'll
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we'll say it on the podcast like next exact next episode just in case you missed the show notes I'll make sure to
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give her her do because she's I'm gonna pretty rad I'm gonna be honest but she did a video
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um where apparently and this is like just wild a bunch so 250 Egyptian sarcophagi have been dug up
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yeah um hundreds of Bronze Statues were found with them um like relics relics just artifacts
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they found um two statues of the goddesses is Isis and naftus which were like put at the
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head and feet of the sarcophagi and the protection protect them which like oof yeah don't remove those guys there was
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also a roll of Papyrus found that was like 32 feet long um and according to Jamie they're being
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like um it's being like studied in a lab right now but it could have parts of the
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Book of the Dead in it which is like not good and like let's not [ __ ] with things
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like that she was saying how you know in Egypt that is like grave robbing and disturbing the the dead and especially a
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pharaoh she said exactly is one of the worst things you can do and one of the only things that could be punishable by
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death choosing so this is like real bad and like I don't know why we keep doing this I understand that we want to learn
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about [ __ ] like I get it as [ __ ] there's a way of going about it that is not this
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that's the thing I it's just you don't need to disturb grapes yeah it's there's I understand like history
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and I understand we have to learn about history I understand it's fascinating to
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learn about like cultures from like thousands and thousands of you because these are like two thousand three
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thousand years old yeah but it's like eek and it's and it's like especially when this particular culture has made it
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pretty known how they feel about grave robbing and yeah not that we're good I don't know
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grave robbers and it's like either way disturbing the dead you know like some cultures didn't think that that was too
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that big of a deal like when you die you die and that's fine like disturb the grave take a peek like that's something
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that think that but when one is like very clear clear like there's laws about it that's when it gets hairy but yeah
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that was just like a wild thing and I was like oh no this is why everything sucks because like curses are probably
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being just like flooded into the world right like watch The Mummy there's how many is it they're like there's a four
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at least they're like three movies about this all I know is that I saw the mummy
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way too young and I only saw one of them because that movie [ __ ] me right up I
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only saw the first one because the first one was great I never saw the other ones
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it was scary the first one was really really great yeah scary if you're like seven or eight though yeah yeah I could
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buy but like but like cool but like very cool yeah but yeah so we have that to look forward to that's about as as true
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crime news as I'm going to get this week but yeah and I think you know we're 12 minutes in yeah
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so it was great catching up with you guys you know every once in a while we gotta just catch up we gotta do it
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[Music] listen I know there's 24 hours in a day but where do they go I feel like I don't
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have them I never have them they go away in like the blink of an eye and I definitely have trouble finding time to
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work out and just try to eat healthy and stay healthy all that good stuff but you
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know what has helped me you know what is invaluable in this journey my Peloton I
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found Bradley Rose and I never looked back I'm telling you get on there find Bradley Rose he's British he's lovely
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and he'll have you on that bike every single day just just listen to him talk he just tells you stories and stuff he's
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great but I'm telling you I love my Peloton I've told you this a million times this is one thing that I'm like so
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me I'm like new at cycling but I'm getting back into like the whole workout thing because I used to work out like a
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little bit but whatever your Fitness level Peloton instructors don't just teach they motivate and you need it and
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another thing if it's not fun why would you even do it because you're more likely to stick with something like a
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routine if you enjoy it so Peloton makes every single class fun it just feels like you're hanging out with friends
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me and Bradley are friends I'm I'm holding on to that he doesn't know it yet but we are nothing gets you moving
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course you are I love Club bangers you are anybody in the club an EDM run yeah yeah where is what's up a yoga flow
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bike and Peloton tread visit onepeloton.com to learn more [Music] all right so with that we are going to
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be talking about the case of Fatty Arbuckle yeah we are and Virginia rapid I do want to give a little warning about
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this uh episode it is going to be talking about possible rape okay um and it gets pretty intense so if
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that's not something that you're comfortable listening to I completely understand and we'll see you for a
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spooky episode later Day After Tomorrow exactly and also just another note um a lot of times I feel like any case
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that I've listened to or any um episode that I've listened to about this like he's called fatty but he didn't like
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being called fat oh really and he was acquitted for this crime I don't know if he did it either way but I don't want to
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call somebody fatty that didn't want to be called that okay so interchangeably I'm gonna say Roscoe and Arbuckle
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depending on what I wrote in that paragraph I love that just so everybody knows and you're not confused thank you
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for setting it up so Roscoe Arbuckle was born on March 24th 1887 in a small Kansas town his parents were Molly and
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William Goodrich and they were of Scottish descent and by the time they had him they already had uh eight other
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kids okay many many children he was the youngest and when he was born it was like kind of a scandal oh because he was
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born depending on the source weighing between 13 and 16 pounds damn you've given birth so um please
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just imagine that for us no I won 13 to like either with 13 and 16 are essentially like the same to me in a
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baby I mean not actually if it was 16. oh my goodness oh my goodness that's like I don't I don't know what wasted my
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biggest baby was eight pounds you're so cute yeah but the thing was both of his parents had like a slim
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build oh and so did all of the other children up until this point and there was eight of them so they were like oh
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okay so his father William was absolutely convinced that Molly had stepped out on him oh no and not the
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baby was somebody else's in fact that's actually how Roscoe got his name his father was so pissed and angry over the
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possibility that this kid wasn't his and to him it wasn't even a possibility he was like no you're not my kid so he
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instead of like taking it on the chin he decided to take his anger out on this newborn baby and name him after after a
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Republican senator that he absolutely despised called Roscoe conkling are you kidding me yeah so
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um Roscoe Arbuckle his middle name was conkling just like this guy are you what how do you
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how do you kid what is wrong that's the thing like we're weird coping sir yeah ridiculous now Molly had a really hard
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time after Roscoe's birth too because again this is the um 1800s and she just gave birth to a like 13 to 16 pound baby
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yeah that's gonna take a toll on your physical health yeah I would say so so incredibly traumatic birth and for the
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rest of her life she struggled with health complications I believe it pretty much I would say because of this and she
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died 12 years later oh and at that point William the father cut Roscoe off immediately oh my God he's 12 years old
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12 years old and he was like cool make your own way in life oh my God so since he had to support himself now Roscoe got
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a job at a local hotel and he was kind of just doing like maintenance jobs anything they really had for him to do
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he was like well I'm 12. I'll do it yeah so he loved to sing while he was working
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so the patrons of the hotel would always hear him no no maybe they'd give him like a dime or something yeah maybe that
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was too expensive I'm not sure I feel like I don't know what a dime was back then who knows but one day there was
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actually a professional singer staying at the hotel hell and they heard Roscoe singing and they were so impressed with
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his skill like so impressed that they invited him to sing at this local talent show now Roscoe he went along and he did
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a little singing he did a little dancing and that didn't really like do the trick
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for the audience they were they weren't really feeling it so he kind of started to like act out the song a little bit
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kind of like a clown in a clown manner yeah getting goofy with it the audience wasn't impressed with that either and
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now this was like the kind of show where if the audience like booed or heckled or
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just like made no noise the person on stage would be pulled off with like with a cane with a little boat oh my God I
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guess the real name is a Shepherd a shepherd's crook yeah but I wanted to I wanted to paint a picture for you yeah
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since the audience is booing in heckling heckling excuse me Roscoe saw the crook
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coming from the corner of his eye and instead of letting it pull him off stage he was like [ __ ] that
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he I don't know why but decided to do a somersault off the stage lands in the orchestra pit and The Crowd Goes [ __ ]
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wild who doesn't love like physical comedy they do and apparently that was like his thing he was like because he
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was a bigger dude he was like very big stature but he was so Nimble and like graceful like he would do these
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somersaults and land on his feet or like I love it fall down but in a weird graceful way like it was it was weird so
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as he tumbled off stage they lost it they were doubling over with laughter and they actually voted him to win the
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competition oh my God yeah because of his somersault because that's somersault man so that night pretty much started
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his career in Vaudeville now we've talked about Vaudeville before but maybe you're a first time listener welcome we
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love a Vaudeville and if you're unfamiliar with the term Vaudeville originated in France pretty much right
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after the start of the 20th century and it was this type of theater where the actors would sing they dance they do
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kind of comedy acts they were really like light heart attack yeah like very physical comedy acts right yes very much
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so they were always lighthearted they were always comedy centered which makes sense because Vaudeville originates from
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the French word and I'm really trying here but I'm new so I'm new to French I'm new to French not really I've been
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working on it for a while but it's hard you give it a try vodvir I believe and that means satirical song oh there you
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go so the first songs of that kind of nature they were written actually in the 15th century by a man named Olivier
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basilan and he lived in the Valley of Fire so when anybody would refer to the songs they were called songs of the
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Valley of Fire but then eventually shortened to vodveer oh okay just for a little history moment I like that I like
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that a lot the dudes from um Wizard of Oz like all Alma dudes were vaudevillians oh [ __ ] I really played
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like you know all the the lion the Tin Man yeah our Dorchester kids a dog testing are DOT kids a dog kids yes
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um no hot no hot so sad so Ross I Wonder If they met probably not because I don't
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think that timeline matches up probably not but you know what whatever anyways Roscoe's first part in a
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Vaudeville show was with the Webster Brown stock company and from then until about 1913 when he turned 26 he was
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doing all kinds of stage acting he would do acrobatics he docked as a clown of course he would sing for the audience
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but his really first like good paying job came when he was 17 years old and he was hired by a man named Sid grahman to
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sing at the unique theater in San Jose California and for this he would get about 18 bucks a week today that would
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be like 580 bucks a week and I can promise you that I wasn't making that at 17 years ago definitely not so I'd say
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that's a pretty good gig oh yeah now the last time that he appeared on stage though was 1913 in Japan in that part he
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played the role of Mikado or the emperor of Japan okay now after that he goes back to Hollywood he gets a job at Max
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Senate's Keystone film studio and then that was a huge upgrade because now he was made taken about 40 bucks a week
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damn which today would be like making 1200 bucks a week damn pretty nice yeah now strangely enough for like the the
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first like three and a half years there he didn't get any leading roles or features he would just kind of be in the
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background like as an uncredited actor and he would always play the role of a policeman
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no they I think they just were like you make that look about him you make a great cop
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but so the thing was it was like that was kind of like a weird point in his career because he wasn't like the
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leading man but it would kind of allow him to meet some of the biggest names in Hollywood at the time I don't know if
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you've heard of uh Charlie Chaplin no never heard of him no no well Arbuckle did oh well that's good at
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least someone did he met Charlie on Simon Charlie and he also met Mabel Normand and Ford Sterling and I guess
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his films with Mabel always did the best she was God so it's Mabel you know they
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were just some fan faves now Not only was uh Arbuckle a good actor on camera he also was pretty good behind the
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camera and throughout his career he would work with like big name directors a lot and he actually worked with this
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guy named Henry Lerman a lot to the point where he only did two movies where Henry wasn't the director wow he really
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loved him so Henry started teaching Roscoe all about what went into making a movie and over time Roscoe started
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learning more and more about getting involved in the behind the scenes kind of stuff and then the films that he was
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appearing in he was also doing director stuff as well so he was in both parts look at him and in 1914 he started
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directing his own movies get it and like I said in the beginning one thing that he absolutely hated was the the nickname
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that he was given by Hollywood they always called him fatty like constantly and that was the name listed whenever he
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got a film credit it was Fatty Arbuckle oh that must suck which is shitty he'll like that you know right but anywhere
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else like if somebody yelled after him on set and they were like fatty he wouldn't turn around and answer oh like
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it was Roscoe nothing I know it's sad yeah because you just assumed that that was something he like played into or
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liked or right like he played into it but he had to well and the thing is he like he did but he didn't because he
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never wanted his size to be the butt of a joke so all the physical physical comedy that he did like I said in the
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beginning it was more like doing somersaults or falling down in a silly way but it was never something like
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being stuck in a space because he was too big for it or anything like that and like I said a lot of people would
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comment on how agile he was like very graceful guy yeah look at that now once 1917 came around he started working with
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a very big name producer this guy I was Joseph M shank okay and he was the husband of Norma talmauge and they
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decided to create a company together called Comic oh like call me Cal oh I like it but komik now the company not
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only made him uh richer than he'd ever been but also allowed him to be involved in every single one of his roles from
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start to finish the entire film and it was at that point that he started working with I don't know if you've
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heard of this guy either Buster Keaton no none of these names are ringing a bell I know it's the craziest thing no
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everybody if you are like into like this time you totally know that he was huge so since comic was doing really well
00:26:27
even more of the big name producers in Hollywood were starting to hear more about this Arbuckle character and
00:26:33
they're interested in working with him so among some of those big name producers were um Paramount Pictures oh
00:26:40
they approached him and they were like hey would you ever want to do some long movies instead of like the two real
00:26:45
shorts that you're doing right now because those were more just kind of like short films yeah you want to do
00:26:50
some of those long movies for those long reels and he was like I do and the first
00:26:54
feature film that he did with them was the Roundup it premiered in 1920 and audiences were obsessed they were in
00:27:03
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00:27:08
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thousand dollars a day whoa at that time and on top of that he would get 25 of all the royalties from every movie he
00:29:04
did holy [ __ ] that was the starting deal but then they saw how well he was doing
00:29:09
and how well received these movies were now you get some leverage you get some leverage they bumped his salary up to
00:29:16
three million dollars for three years and 18 more movies holy [ __ ] and back I mean that's crazy now but for back then
00:29:23
uh you want to know what that would be like today I love a conversion so three million dollars back then would have
00:29:29
been like making 43 million dollars today wow 43 million buckaroons and when you think of like what like things cost
00:29:38
back then oh yeah like that that's why he was richer than yeah than yeah everybody so and he was one of the most
00:29:46
beloved actors of his time until September of 1921 when it all came crashing down I was waiting for the
00:29:54
downfall here there's always a downfall I don't know like anything about this neither did I this is brand new to me
00:30:00
neither did I but I love an old Hollywood case and this is like the old Hollywood case to be honest yeah it's
00:30:06
wild so and it's really devastatingly sad so it's Labor Day weekend and one of Roscoe or excuse me Roscoe and two of
00:30:14
his friends Fred fischbach and Lowell Sherman who were two very seedy disgusting characters unfortunately and
00:30:21
I think it it might be one of those things where it's like the company you keep reflects really badly on you or who
00:30:27
you hang with or it could be that like you are who you hang out with and you're also a creep I haven't made a complete
00:30:33
decision on what I think here okay but I'm sure listening you will and let me know what you think yeah so these three
00:30:40
guys they decide to go head out to San Fran for a long weekend and they're planning on throwing in absolute Banger
00:30:46
to celebrate the success of Roscoe's new movie Crazy to marry so they check into
00:30:52
the Saint Francis Hotel and they grab three rooms they grab 12 19 12 20 and 12 21. one would be used to party hardy and
00:31:00
the other would kind of be like bedrooms to crash in okay now remember these were
00:31:04
still prohibition times so they had to sneak in a [ __ ] ton of booze because they were going to be planning on having
00:31:10
a wild party and how did they hide those booths Roscoe had this like fancy schmancy car that had a hidden bar
00:31:18
inside oh my God stop like the prohibition of it all you pressed a button and like a [ __ ] bar pop yeah
00:31:25
like I want my card why doesn't my car have a hidden bar that's wild I feel remiss I mean I do think that's like
00:31:31
probably very illegal I was gonna say I can tell you a few reasons why your car doesn't have anything number one but
00:31:37
illegal so what do you think of it back then without like all the speakeasies and prohibitions and I didn't know there
00:31:43
was like a lot of bad [ __ ] back then like Greek Gatsby of it all kind of thing is very fun it's so oh wow that
00:31:48
was so much sunlight yeah you've just got sun right in your eyes did um it wiped my mind clear for a second
00:31:54
it was like the Men in Black like he was just gonna say that no it's funny though
00:31:58
that you said um Great Gatsby because all I could picture especially this part of like them driving up to the party was
00:32:05
them driving to the party in The Great Gatsby where um is it Mabel yeah and it's funny because there's a Mabel in
00:32:10
this hey look at that wild but anyway it's giving me those stuff so party there was going to be some of the
00:32:18
biggest stars and starlets of all time including one Virginia rapid Virginia rapid was a model an actress
00:32:26
and a fashion designer no it's not Mabel it's Myrtle oh murder that's why I was I
00:32:30
was confused because I was like wait no it's not Maple you know what's so funny I was like is there a map because I
00:32:35
heard Mabel when you mentioned her before and I was like oh yeah it's Mabel yeah sorry M names are hard there yeah
00:32:41
so Virginia that's not a them name that's easy to remember she was a model and actress a fashion designer she had
00:32:47
been born in Chicago oh my God and was raised by her mother Mabel whoa until she was about 11. but unfortunately that
00:32:55
was how young she was when her mom passed away and she it's so young but she was sent to live with her grandma
00:33:01
but she wasn't really too keen on staying in Chicago for the rest of her life just like all of these cases that I
00:33:07
cover she knew she was different she knows she has Star Quality she's also [ __ ] gorgeous Google a picture yeah
00:33:13
so when she's just what's her name Virginia Virginia rapid it's r-a-p-p-e and fun fact she actually added the
00:33:20
extra peony onto the end of her name because she thought it was fancier I think when she was born it was just rap
00:33:25
but she wanted rap hey I love that so she's 14 years old now she's like I gotta get out of Chicago I gotta make it
00:33:32
big so she starts posing for fashion designers and any artists who might need a muse now it was good practice for her
00:33:39
eventual plan of heading out to California to be discovered which she would set out to do when she turned 18.
00:33:45
but before making her way out to Hollywood she decided to trans just excuse me try out San Francisco for a
00:33:52
while and when she was there she met up with a designer named Robert Moskowitz he would be her first fiance and he
00:34:00
would teach her a ton about fashion but the engagement was short-lived because he was actually killed in a car accident
00:34:06
oh so sad it was like Whirlwind I was just gonna say that's like I know and it's sad because it's like she makes it
00:34:13
out there she meets this guy she starts getting into fashion they fall in love they're gonna get married and then it's
00:34:19
like it all comes crashing yeah then it's just all over so at that point she's like no like I'm not gonna let
00:34:24
this ruin me she decides to move once again and finally ends up where she planned on settling all along Hollywood
00:34:31
Hollywood Hollywood now you know I said this girl was Gorge so it was she was I just flicked her up
00:34:37
she's the epitome of beauty as far as anybody is concerned but specifically during this time in Hollywood she was
00:34:44
like the poster child of beauty yeah so it was not hard for her to find work she
00:34:48
had like these intense blue eyes this like beautiful dark hair impeccable style because remember she's a [ __ ]
00:34:55
fashion designer of course and she looked young enough to pass for 25 when really she was 30. get it but she would
00:35:01
always tell people those younger rolls she would tell them she was 25. now throughout her career she would end
00:35:06
up being featured in 13 movies and in some of those movies you're gonna love this she starred alongside Rudolph
00:35:13
Valentino I there's a photo of them together love Rudolph Valentino as do I but you yeah
00:35:21
one of my first research papers ever in school I did the most intense research paper on Rudolph Valentino I know
00:35:28
everything there is to know about that man I love that so much he was a beautiful man a beautiful
00:35:33
beautiful man yeah just so great so you're probably really jealous of that I am a little bit she started looking them
00:35:41
up right now and I'm like oh it's a picture of them in a car together all the pictures from like this time are so
00:35:46
cool oh get it girl now uh other than Rudolph Valentino she also actually did a wedding with Arbuckle and this was
00:35:54
called his wedding night now he apparently really took a liking to her According to some people during the
00:36:00
filming of this and I guess while they were filming this movie and this is hearsay so we don't know if this is true
00:36:06
or not but I guess while they were filming he wanted to quote unquote play a prank on her and he asked the security
00:36:14
guard for the key to her room but luckily the security guard like wouldn't give the key to the room he was like no
00:36:19
I cannot do that no but when you find out what happens later I think a lot of people were like did that have
00:36:28
ulterior motives which I can see now before we get there we just we need to know know that Virginia became known as
00:36:35
the best best dressed girl in pictures and she was also known as entrepreneurial idealistic and outspoken
00:36:43
I like for women's rights so she was a bad I was just gonna say so a bad [ __ ] is what you're saying she was the first
00:36:50
person to speak up about any causes close to her heart and they were nine out of 10 times women's right women's
00:36:56
rights causes good for her a bad B truly so she arrives at this party and it's I
00:37:03
just I'm gonna tell you right here this is where things start to get yucky and again if you don't want to listen to
00:37:08
that now is the time that I would really advise you to stop listening to Virginia
00:37:13
so she arrives at the party with her manager Al who's actually a really good friend of Roscoe's too Al semnocker and
00:37:21
her friend Bambina mod Delmont yeah yes sometimes Bambina mod Delmont wanted to be called Bambina mod Delmont but she
00:37:30
also had like other names and [ __ ] she was a shady [ __ ] oh man I mean I would
00:37:35
always want to be called Bambina mod Belmont Delmont oh Delmont excuse me I would she might have been known as
00:37:40
Belmont as well but oh I would be like always refer to me as that yeah never has just Bambina give me the full also I
00:37:49
didn't realize this until now but like three names I'm just saying you know what we say
00:37:54
about the three names she turns out to be quite quite truly something oh no so the trio they get to
00:38:00
the hotel around 10 30 that morning and by all accounts they got to partying real quick which like [ __ ] all the
00:38:07
power to them yeah you're gonna you might get caught you have a vision time you gotta party when you can and it's a
00:38:11
summer party like let's go honestly if they got caught it would have been probably fine because they're all rich
00:38:16
and Powerful it doesn't really matter but whatever whatever so at some point during the party I guess Virginia
00:38:21
started complaining that she couldn't breathe and that she wasn't feeling well oh we'll get her home get her home
00:38:26
exactly thank you my friend says that I'm like all right let's go home girl all right cool let's go or like we'll
00:38:32
get another room here we'll get a fancy suite for you to sleep in a comfy bed let's do it I'd be like you want to go
00:38:36
home let's go home I'll take you home I'll take you home I'll watch some reality TV with you yeah back in 1920. I
00:38:41
wonder what that would have been absolutely I'm just like trying to think of anything let's watch the latest
00:38:46
Valentino film let's sit down let's have a let's have a night of it and Virginia's like I'm in that one it's
00:38:51
weird and I'd be like it's fine let's do it anyway I go to sleep so she things you can't breathe she's pulling out her
00:38:57
clothing and she starts kind of like ripping her clothes like she it's like she wants to rip them off oh geez and
00:39:03
this point forward from this point forward there's like three different versions of events there's actually
00:39:08
really like 305 but for the sake of the story I'll say three this person's story
00:39:13
that person's story and the truth there is Roscoe articles side of things mod delmoyne's point of view and then
00:39:19
somewhere in the middle of those two accounts there's the truth which is still hotly debated we know each other
00:39:25
really God damn we know each other it's becoming so much more real lately Elena and I keep saying things that it's not
00:39:31
only that we're saying things at the same time like that's one thing we say them in the exact same inflection yeah
00:39:37
and I just want to punch you and be like get out of my head it's true and I'm sure you feel the same we're in each
00:39:42
other's Souls at this point you are one of my Souls at this point one of your old souls no you're not old to me it's I
00:39:49
thought you said that's mean and I but you said it no not mean at all are you in there I'm in there okay so one way or
00:39:57
another Virginia ends up in one of the adjoining rooms with Roscoe and potentially a few other people at some
00:40:04
point now thinking that she just had too much to drink I guess they Place her in
00:40:08
a cold tub but at that point it really seemed like she was only like riding around in pain even more yeah guys like
00:40:14
yeah they think she's drunk she's definitely more than drunk she starts vomiting oh and at that point she was
00:40:20
brought into the bed and they prop her up and she's clutching her stomach and she's screaming in pain until somebody
00:40:27
calls the hotel's doctor does she have like appendicitis or something no she's going on I'll tell you but you know
00:40:33
we'll read for her I just want to be like help yeah that's the thing now like I just told you she's screaming in pain
00:40:41
clutching her stomach like moving her whole body around in pain the whole the hotel doctor thought that she was just
00:40:48
drunk and moved her into one of the other rooms after giving her her some morphine to sleep it off oh okay I'm
00:40:53
like wait do some morphine about it you think she's drunk like she like she's like way too drunk in your opinion so
00:41:00
you're gonna give her morphine to top that off so you drug her on top of it like Jesus like yikes guys eek so she
00:41:07
would spend the next three days in that hotel room but each day she only got worse and finally after those three days
00:41:13
somebody calls another doctor it ends up being believed that it was ma Delmont who calls this actual doctor and or not
00:41:22
that the hotel a hotel doctor was not but just a different one yeah and Virginia was rushed to the hospital now
00:41:27
when she first got there those doctors thought that it was possibly a case of alcohol poisoning because from what
00:41:33
they've heard she's been partying she's you know yeah I get that but they start evaluating her more and more and they
00:41:40
find that she's actually suffering from something called peritone peritonitis oh
00:41:46
did I say that correct tinnitus Google says you are correct it's peritonitis it looks way more into intimidating it does
00:41:51
I was going to say there's like an extra tea in there or something there isn't like very weird so peritonitis uh yeah
00:41:58
it's all rough it occurs when there's some kind of infection that's also present and essentially it swells a
00:42:05
protective layer that covers your abdominal wall yeah and that layer protects not only your like whole ass
00:42:12
organ no it puts your organ I was going to say it protects all of your internal organs like everything the layer like
00:42:18
that membrane yes now in Virginia's case her bladder had ruptured and that's what
00:42:25
caused that infection that then led to the intense inflammation oh my goodness so just the thought of that a lot like
00:42:33
that because that membrane is called the peritoneum the peritoneum peritonitis because you said you saw that a lot
00:42:38
right yeah we would see it a lot in autopsies oh man it was like it wasn't like I shouldn't say it's like a very
00:42:44
common thing but I would see it common enough if you've seen it oh I can't even imagine that's gnarly yeah and the fact
00:42:50
that she just like showed up at a party and was like struck by it right and that's the thing like and it's like did
00:42:56
she show up at the party and she was struck by it or did something happen at the party that caused it interesting but
00:43:02
either way unfortunately by the time they realized what was causing her so much pain it was too late oh that kind
00:43:08
of infection like and and especially way back then like they just gave her morphine about it yeah she died in the
00:43:14
hospital on September 9th 1921. man I know Virginia seemed like such a cool lady she did now some sources suggest
00:43:22
that she was 26 when she died but other people said that she did FIB about her age so she was probably more like 30 or
00:43:29
31 but okay either way incredibly young yeah and at the peak of her career that's the thing she was only going up
00:43:37
you know oh and she just seemed rad she did she really did you just want to hang
00:43:42
with her I very much do now immediately the rumor mill went absolutely Bonkers yeah and at the hospital a distraught
00:43:50
friend wanted to talk to the police who were already trying to make sense of how
00:43:54
this whole night had turned into what it did that's very strange now that friend
00:43:57
was Maude Delmont she ends up calling the police and she's telling them that they need to talk to a
00:44:03
man that she named as Fatty Arbuckle oh her words not mine she said that he was the one responsible for Virginia's death
00:44:11
so you see the version of events where Roscoe and Virginia ended up in the same room went a little differently through
00:44:19
Maude's point of view and a few other people's point of view and we'll get to that when we get to some other stuff
00:44:24
mod told the police that she had seen Roscoe in Virginia chatting and they when she watched as they had about three
00:44:31
mixed drinks together now at some point during their chat mod heard Roscoe tell Virginia I've waited for you for five
00:44:38
years and now I've got you and as he said that he was pulling her into one of the nearby rooms and then
00:44:45
shut and locked the door oh and so ma doesn't think much of this until she starts hearing screams coming from the
00:44:53
room and she knows that this is her friend so she starts banging on the door at that point and it's locked and she's
00:44:59
like banging on the door kicking out the door he won't open it according to her there's a one version where somebody had
00:45:06
to come up and open the door and then there's another version where he finally does open the door
00:45:11
but this next part is what's told consistently he opens the door he's wearing pajama bottoms and a robe and
00:45:18
Virginia's hat propped on his head at a quote unquote comical angle like everybody said he was wearing her hat at
00:45:26
a comical angle like off to the side yeah exactly um there's a lot of like artists right now yes now she reported
00:45:32
that he had a quote unquote foolish screen smile smeared across his face and when she looked behind him she claimed
00:45:40
that she saw Virginia partially nude on the bed and clutching at her stomach and
00:45:45
she was calling out jamad I'm dying I'm dying he did it Arbuckle did it what now
00:45:51
when asked what exactly Roscoe Arbuckle had done to Virginia mod claimed that he
00:45:57
had raped her and that the force of his much bigger body on top of Virginia's smaller frame had ruptured her bladder
00:46:04
and eventually killed her oh my God yeah I had no idea that this was the case holy [ __ ] yes oh my God if
00:46:16
that is true what an action like a horrific way to terrific way like and the fact that it was it was not just
00:46:23
immediate like if that's how that happened she was raped and then she suffered and was like screaming either
00:46:29
way she suffered but then to add the potential rape on top of potential trauma of even more trauma on top of it
00:46:36
oh my goodness that is so horrific that's an awful thing to think about no Al semnoker again one of Roscoe's good
00:46:44
friends and Virginia's manager claimed that this was true and he actually took the claim one step further and I just
00:46:52
want to let you guys know this is really rough so I would skip forward about 35 seconds 45 seconds
00:46:57
he claimed that Roscoe had raped Virginia and also then used a piece of ice to rape her and he was joking about
00:47:05
it the next day with some men who had been at the party before and al-semnocker was among them what the
00:47:11
[ __ ] yeah oh my God yeah this is horrific it's really really Bleak so the newspapers
00:47:19
they get this information they get like a tidbit of it and they go [ __ ] Bonkers like it's like the magazines of
00:47:26
today there were all kinds of salacious rumors spread and stories written because most of these newspapers that
00:47:32
were spreading this information they were more like gossip magazines and a man named William Randolph Hearst he
00:47:38
actually owned like a solid chunk of these yeah Publications pretty much all of them know that name and they were
00:47:45
more like gossip columns than any kind of newspaper and he said that this whole Scandal sold more papers than the
00:47:52
sinking of the Lusitania okay yeah that's great wow that's one of the largest ships that was ever built by
00:48:01
the way like during that time and it had sunk back in 1915 really comparing two equally tragic but entirely different
00:48:08
occurrences here my dude like yeah that's con that's comparing apples to zebras it definitely is you're dumb wow
00:48:17
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reported that and of course they go after Virginia immediately they're saying she's a well-known party girl and
00:52:46
this night was really not anything out of the ordinary for her they referred to her they referred to her as an amateur
00:52:52
call girl who quote-unquote would get drunk at parties and tear her clothes off oh my God it's like well she's dead
00:53:00
so yeah like maybe and potentially was essentially murdered so oh my God but other stories started getting darker and
00:53:08
taking those little rumors and blowing them up and again I would skip forward if you don't want to hear this I'm going
00:53:13
to give you like 45 seconds this rumor that he had taken a piece of ice eventually just grew into this wildly
00:53:20
different rumor that claimed a Coca-Cola can or a whiner champagne bottle had been used oh my God absolutely horrific
00:53:28
holy [ __ ] now whatever happened the police knew that they were going to need to pay Rosco Arbuckle a visit and they
00:53:35
did he was arrested on September 10th now some sources claim that he actually turned himself in and others say that he
00:53:41
was just arrested so the second his mug shot was available to the public it was on the cover of every single one of
00:53:48
these Publications whether it was a gossip column or not it was everywhere I actually found a few old ones everybody
00:53:54
started turning on him they were thinking that he was a violent rapist they're thinking he's responsible for
00:53:59
This Woman's death but at the same time he still had supporters like Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton they both gave
00:54:06
interviews and they tried to clear his name they said that Maude Delmont was a known
00:54:11
liar and that she had been involved in her fair share of scandals which were scandals designed to take men down and
00:54:19
take rich men down okay so it did make sense to some people that that may have been the case here but at the end of the
00:54:25
day it was as messy as [ __ ] oh and it only gets Messier oh boy so at the end of the day as we know it's the police
00:54:32
and the jury who are you he's gonna have to convince so he has a very different story to tell the police than the one
00:54:39
that they'd gotten from mod and different party goers he and he the problem here too is that he tells
00:54:45
multiple stories throughout the course of this entire investigation and trial and multiple trials he first told them
00:54:51
that he noticed Virginia at the party and he said that she was acting hysterical and he knew that she had a
00:54:58
few drinks so he chalked it up to just being drunk when he saw her start pulling her clothes and take them off he
00:55:04
said that he'd actually never been alone with her and that he and some of the other party goers carried her into one
00:55:10
of the neighboring rooms they placed her in that chilled tub and then when nothing worked they called the doctor
00:55:15
now he made it a point to emphasize that he had never been alone in a room with her but the police were not convinced
00:55:23
and six days later he was placed under arrest like and that's the September arrest yeah so later on in the in the
00:55:30
legal process the charge was actually the charge of murder was reduced to manslaughter because they didn't think
00:55:36
they were going to have enough physical evidence because they really didn't yeah
00:55:39
to make the legal teams confident that they'd reach the verdict they wanted to in a murder trial and if they want to
00:55:44
get him at all exactly for that lower one just to get them now this sucks because it changes a few key pieces of
00:55:51
his fate and the time he's gonna serve because number one now he could get out on bail yeah whereas before at this time
00:55:58
if you were facing murder charges there was no bail yeah so he did get out on bail once the charges were reduced now
00:56:05
secondly instead of facing an absolute mandatory sentence of death at this time like you would have in a murder case
00:56:11
since it was reduced to manslaughter he would be facing if convicted 10 years maximum wow like for killing or her
00:56:21
brutal death rape and murder wow so the first of three trials ended on December 4th with the jury unable to come up with
00:56:30
any agreement 10 of them believed that he was innocent but two could not decide so a mistrial was declared and the next
00:56:36
jury heard the evidence all over again strangely enough the second trial ended up being completely different than the
00:56:43
first with nine jurors convinced that Roscoe had been responsible for Virginia's death and three this time
00:56:49
convinced of his innocence so it totally flipped now the third trial started in March and it went very differently than
00:56:56
the first two this time he went with a completely different stories a completely different
00:57:02
story excuse me and he also let his lawyers really kind of go into Virginia and you know paint her as not a
00:57:11
responsible party goer to put it lightly that's always the cheapest way to go about a defense it is you know I mean
00:57:17
like when you have to turn the other person who's not there to defend themselves which into something else
00:57:22
it's like it's so complicated because I feel like you like it shouldn't be admissible like she's not here to say it
00:57:28
for herself it's hard but it's so many complexities to this kind of stuff but that always rubs me it's just such a
00:57:34
great area you know it's just when they're again when they're not here to defend themselves it's like a really
00:57:38
hard path to take there and to me it just feels yucky it does and I do feel like a lot of times it does sway the
00:57:44
jury because the person isn't there to say yes or no to that and it's human name we are humans yeah everybody is
00:57:50
fought juries are flawed judges are flawed the whole system is flawed Justice teams are flawed it's like
00:57:56
anything that morbid is has taught us is that the system yeah all the systems are
00:58:00
flawed so there's always human emotion and everything regardless of when you're not supposed to have it it's there
00:58:05
exactly so he lets them lay into her and paint her completely terribly to be honest so in this version events and
00:58:12
again he has that new story he tells the jury this time that he finds Virginia laying on the bathroom floor moaning
00:58:19
vomiting and calling out in pain now he said again that she's clinging at her stomach so he grabs her a glass of water
00:58:26
and then carries her on the bed to make her more comfortable then he said as he was getting her onto
00:58:31
the bed mod just like came into the room like burst in and starts accosting him telling him to get away from Virginia
00:58:38
leave her alone and he testified that he told her to shut up or he would throw her out the window wow okay so he he did
00:58:45
say that he admits that now it's interesting that he would bring that like specific quote up because
00:58:50
originally Maude told the police that he had threatened to throw Virginia out the
00:58:55
window and actually multiple other Witnesses agreed that they heard the same thing where it was at Virginia's
00:59:01
expense oh so much he said she said there is such a confusing case because I don't know I want you guys to let me
00:59:09
know like if you had a hard time deciding yeah what you think here because right now I'm like what the hell
00:59:14
totally I just don't even know is he now claiming he was alone with her for some
00:59:18
period of time yes okay so he changed that completely to me when it changes like that I'm like that's guilt that's
00:59:24
guilt right man or yeah it's hard to get away from that it didn't change your story and he changes it twice yeah so
00:59:31
the Witnesses were brought forward to corroborate this new version of Roscoe's story and multiple said that the ice
00:59:37
mentioned in the story did not have that dark story put behind it that so many of
00:59:41
the newspapers had published and instead they said that mod was just rubbing ice
00:59:46
across Virginia's stomach to see if it would alleviate any pain okay now the medical examiner Dr Shelby strange was
00:59:53
also called to testify also Shelby strange are you kidding me you are a medical examiner no other choice but to
00:59:59
be a medical examiner great name incredible so called to testify about their findings and said that Virginia
01:00:06
most likely had a chronic bladder inflammation Doctor Strange also testified that there were quote no signs
01:00:13
that the girl had been attacked in any way but with that being said they also testified that there was bruising to
01:00:21
Virginia's legs and to her upper arms in fact the bruising to her upper arm looked like it had been made from quote
01:00:29
the Deep impression of fingers yeah I just I looked up stuff and I saw those autopsy photos in my first thought when
01:00:38
I saw those look like finger grips and like I don't know her arms I don't know what else they would be because that's
01:00:43
exactly what they look like unless they are claiming that that could have happened when they were moving her into
01:00:48
the tub out of the tub into the you know what I mean like that would which is what they mean like that it's not a
01:00:54
violent right one and maybe it was just people gripping her to and it could have
01:00:58
been again she's of smaller stature these are like bigger dudes looking her up you don't know but interesting this
01:01:04
doctor needs to pick a lane because it's like you say that she looks like she hasn't been attacked but then you say it
01:01:09
looks like she has deep impressions in her arms which means like somebody probably would have been holding her
01:01:13
down but maybe that's what he's claiming is like it doesn't looks to me like she
01:01:17
was attacked it looks she was carries our carry marks are not like he's probably saying I don't see an attack
01:01:24
right I see when she was being moved right right that's probably what he was meaning at least true that makes sense I
01:01:30
didn't actually think of it that way yeah so thank you you're welcome no doctor strange though because everybody
01:01:35
felt like he had given a conflicting testimony yeah but he was not the only person to give a conflicting testimony
01:01:40
because a forensic expert in the trial Edward Heinrich stated to the jury that he'd seen both Virginia and Roscoe's
01:01:47
fingerprints on the door handle of the hotel that in that specific room and he testified that it looked as though
01:01:55
Roscoe's hand was placed over Virginia's on the knob which then led him to believe it was like she tried to grasp
01:02:02
it during an escape and he had stopped her with his much bigger hand leaving both Prince behind
01:02:09
do you get that picture definitely get that I'm just like how the hell could you tell that yeah like who would that
01:02:15
cause it was in the original trial that he testified that in the first two in the third trial retracted his original
01:02:21
testimony and said um I think those might have been faked those fingerprints and by the way a maid
01:02:28
testified that she had cleaned that door handle anyway so there wouldn't have been fingerprints on all right so that
01:02:33
might have just been like he said she said yeah kind of seems it oh the 1920s oh my now then almost every witness who
01:02:40
had testified against Roscoe in the first or second trial saying that Virginia told them he'd hurt her or
01:02:46
raped her they just disappeared off the grid in the third trial huh nobody could
01:02:52
track them down and the ones who were tracked retracted their original statements so then you wonder if there's
01:02:58
some like many many people thought that they were either intimidated or paid off
01:03:03
exactly that's exactly what I was gonna be like by the third trial I'm sure he's
01:03:07
getting he's rounding up some people to be like he's getting death take care of people here yes absolutely but at the
01:03:13
same time it was then discovered that four of the prosecutions witnesses had some secrets of their own one of them
01:03:21
who was supposed to be testifying about Virginia's character turned out to be a very close friend of Roscoe's so their
01:03:28
testimony about Virginia was voided God what is going on here another woman who testified negatively about Virginia
01:03:35
uh like in her supposed party girl ways has she said that Virginia came to her hotel quite frequently and had a habit
01:03:42
of getting drunk and ripping her clothes off um turns out there was literally no
01:03:47
record of Virginia ever being at that hotel huh whatsoever now on the same token there were Witnesses on the
01:03:54
prosecution and I think I actually flipped I was gonna say so that was defense sorry this is that was defense
01:03:59
on the same token there were witnesses that the prosecution used in the first trial and second trial who came out in
01:04:05
the third trial and said that they had been forced by the prosecution to give false testimony
01:04:11
huh this whole thing is [ __ ] yeah that's like really complex and the uh I like them like what the [ __ ] because
01:04:20
everybody just seems to be lying knowing the defense Witnesses are lying about like her being shitty
01:04:27
that to me is more dire than the prosecutions lying that she's not shitty like it's like you know what I mean like
01:04:35
I feel like if you have to make people lie to like make her bad that's worse to me yeah but it's all bad it's all it's
01:04:44
really bad but yeah like realistically all three of these trials were absolute [ __ ] shows in their own way this is a
01:04:50
circus and they really did nothing other than smear Virginia Rapids name right alongside with a man who was literally
01:04:55
on trial yeah like he's the one on trial why are we like hearing her name yeah exactly or turning her into a villain
01:05:02
here you're right like she's not here right now so let's not now the biggest win for the defense was when they
01:05:09
uncovered what they probably considered a [ __ ] gold mine of information against someone who had originally been
01:05:16
considered their star witness oh the prosecution star witness Maude Delmont I knew it of course her name's Maude
01:05:23
Delmont of course you're gonna find some [ __ ] on her some shady shit's going Bambina mod Del Monte are you kidding me
01:05:28
she apparently had a bit of a secret life that coincided with her Alter Ego Madame black uh-oh Madame black would go
01:05:38
out and find young attractive women to take to parties that were always being thrown by these like annoying ass rich
01:05:45
dudes yeah so they'd go they enjoyed their party but then they would later on make claims that they'd been raped at
01:05:51
the party even if they had not been now the goal of the entire operation was to Blackmail these men into paying huge
01:05:58
sums of money just to make the problem go away holy [ __ ] so it's like a scam damn now on top of that she had also
01:06:04
been reported for um extortion and fraud in the past oh damn and it was also found out that she
01:06:12
was in a bigamist marriage and when I heard that I said a big marriage a big a big marriage marriage what's the problem
01:06:19
with that she's she's got a loving marriage yeah um actually what that means is that she
01:06:24
married one man without divorcing from her last husband so technically she had two husbands and that was a big No-No
01:06:31
back then oh yeah so both of these discoveries absolutely tore her character apart and then another point
01:06:37
was made to really drive the point home of how far she was willing to go to destroy a man's life
01:06:43
it turns out that she had sent notes to two of her friends right before Virginia
01:06:48
died like as she was actively dying apparently they were sent about two days before on September 7th and mod wrote to
01:06:56
these people we have Roscoe Arbuckle in a hole here to make some money out of him oh yep
01:07:04
oh that's bad so like safe to say she actually wasn't asked back to testify after her original testimony and man the
01:07:13
prosecutors then had her name omitted from any witness list involved in these trials in all three of them oh man
01:07:20
yeah because I also was saying I was like you know did because this one's hard it's so hard oh thank you because I
01:07:28
was like am I like this am I I don't even know because I also was wondering I'm like the whole time that she was
01:07:34
like screaming and crying out and like people around her was she she never said again like that someone did this so she
01:07:41
did she said to a couple people people that he hurt her yeah I thought she only said it to mod she said it to mod and
01:07:48
then she said to one nurse that he had hurt her and she also said she's a nurse's name she she did use his name
01:07:55
but she didn't say he had raped her just that he hurt her he hurt her and she also said to the uh to the nurse because
01:08:02
she had a fiance during this time oh and she said to the nurse that it was imperative that her fiance not find out
01:08:08
about any of this oh yeah oh okay which again only like adds a little more adds a little more layers to that it does
01:08:16
this is why it's so complicated but then that nurse like eventually retracted that statement and that's the problem
01:08:24
like I would find somebody's statement and then they'd retract it and then I'd be like okay well I don't know what I
01:08:28
think like Is that real is it not yeah so finally on April 12th 1922 it was time for this third jury to deliver
01:08:35
their verdict in this manslaughter case they only took five minutes to deliberate and when they came back and
01:08:42
read their verdict they had found Roscoe Arbuckle not guilty on charges of manslaughter and actually went as far as
01:08:50
issuing him a public apology what they said acquittal is not enough for Roscoe Arbuckle we feel that a great Injustice
01:08:58
had has been done to him there was not the slightest bit of proof a a deuced a deuced a deuce a deuced to connect him
01:09:07
in any way with the commission of a crime he was manly throughout the case and he told manly like okay and told a
01:09:14
straightforward story no he didn't which we all believe we wish him success and hope that the American people will take
01:09:20
the Judgment of 14 men and women that Roscoe Arbuckle is entirely innocent and free from all blame
01:09:28
okay um the American people did not feel the same way that the jury felt I was gonna
01:09:33
be like all right let's see how that shakeed up for her yeah honestly if he was truly innocent then what happened to
01:09:39
him in his career in the wake of these trials is just another [ __ ] tragedy yeah but if he's not then like cool he
01:09:44
deserved him no idea we don't know there were still people out there like a a good amount of people it seems like the
01:09:51
majority who believed that he was responsible for Virginia's death in some way and that he'd gotten away with
01:09:57
murder yeah I mean so tough for a long long time nobody wanted to work with him and he was actually barred from working
01:10:05
on any set oh damn for eight months after he was acquitted he couldn't find acting work and even when they lifted
01:10:11
that ban after eight months he like nobody would get divorced yeah foreign guys most of you have probably heard me
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01:12:58
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01:13:05
somebody he had mentored again one of these big stars that maybe you've heard of Buster Keaton oh yeah that guy we
01:13:11
mentioned him before the re that's where the name William Goodrich came from Buster Keaton had suggested like while
01:13:17
Roscoe was still recovering from this blow to his career that he used a name will be good
01:13:23
like will the name be period and then good for the last one so he was like I think it's not a time
01:13:31
to joke and instead I'll I'll do William Goodrich just to make it like a real name yeah yeah I was like okay so yeah
01:13:38
that's that's how that evolved now in 1932 11 years after Virginia's death Roscoe finally got an opportunity to be
01:13:45
back on the big screen Samuel sacks who was working with Warner Brothers actually signed Roscoe on to appear in a
01:13:52
short film called hey Pop now it was the first movie that Samuel sacks had done that he used sound in and
01:13:59
it was a huge hit because people are stoked that they can hear these movies now do you know sound
01:14:04
now after that so he's in that after that he actually acted in six more uh shorts excuse me and everybody seemed to
01:14:12
be responding pretty well to them it's like it really is one of those things and it's so horrific that this happens
01:14:17
but I think it's one of those things where the news just like over the years goes away because other things happen
01:14:23
that people become more invested in and then like Virginia rappay is forgotten yeah and this guy just gets to If He Did
01:14:30
kill her yeah that's the hard thing right if he did do this this is [ __ ] [ __ ] foul right like it was just
01:14:38
allowed to be moved on like this isn't like you know he made a mistake this is he took somebody's life in a very
01:14:44
horrific way potentially whether he intention intentionally did it or not it's you got to be held responsible for
01:14:50
it and it's like but if he didn't do it it's like exactly so hard right so he starts
01:14:59
acting in these shots people are happy to see him on camera again and over time it was kind of like nothing had changed
01:15:04
he was still the quote unquote Fatty Arbuckle that people loved and remembered so the success of those films
01:15:10
that he did like when he started coming back actually LED Warner Brothers to write up a contract for a million
01:15:15
dollars which would be 13 million dollars today so he signed that real quick obviously because he was like I
01:15:21
don't need my career to be in Jeopardy Jeopardy again and he goes out to celebrate with his friends I said he
01:15:26
signed it on June 28th uh I don't know if he said he did he goes out and hangs with his friends after that he
01:15:32
apparently told them this is the best night of my life and that night he died in his sleep at
01:15:40
just 46 years old of a heart attack damn this is the bleakest story holy [ __ ] of
01:15:48
ever not of ever but it's really [ __ ] that's really Bleak yeah because what if
01:15:54
he didn't do it holy [ __ ] he went through so much and finally got that contract and then died and if he did do
01:16:01
it you're like whoa that's some Universe [ __ ] right there okay that's what that's
01:16:06
kind of what I was thinking because I don't know if you listen to the show but if you do then you know that I'm really
01:16:10
listen to this if you listen to the show like if you have for a while you know that like I'm really into like karma in
01:16:14
the universe and like when I read that that he signed this contract said who knows if he really said that's the best
01:16:20
night of my life I feel like that was kind of added in over the years I'm sure he said it at some point but then he
01:16:25
dies the next day or like that night that's really Karma to me that screams like oh big Karma Vibes that's right
01:16:35
that's like the that's a Karma like Dad punching you in the face a Karma dad punching you in the face
01:16:42
this is what that is I don't know damn you know what I mean I yeah I do weirdly enough
01:16:49
that's that's some real [ __ ] that's really intense so that is the case of Virginia
01:16:55
rappay and Roscoe Fatty Arbuckle damn I had no idea neither did I I've heard the
01:17:02
name of course but like I've heard Fatty Arbuckle I didn't even know his name was
01:17:06
Orozco yeah but neither did I because I've only heard him I was like I'm sure his name is not fatty but yeah but like
01:17:11
what's and then when you find out like just it's so much tragedy throughout there is this like sadness from
01:17:17
beginning to end yeah and I had no idea it was just so like brutal it's incredibly brutal wow
01:17:24
thanks for that you're welcome uh so I think we're gonna follow this one up with a spooky case most likely we'll
01:17:31
we'll see we'll see maybe not maybe we'll just do a whole lesson just keep going you can wait and see and uh we
01:17:38
hope that you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird but that's the way that you got
01:17:44
with your friends who are a bunch of heathens and then you on your way you're like getting Hardy to party and you have
01:17:48
the drinks and the everything and then you go to the party and then you lie about what you did at the party and
01:17:52
somebody end up dead and like maybe you killed them maybe you didn't don't keep us aware that your mod delmont's gaming
01:17:55
man because you can't be doing that you know oh my God uh bye but watch The Great Gatsby it's a good movie and
01:18:01
stranger things I'm excited to start watching that yeah foreign [Music]