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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid [Music] it's already because you said that last
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time we had to end up re-recording the intro for a second because our [ __ ] computer like pooped its butt but I
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don't know and I and I made sure I stayed right on right on cue by being distracted when we said hello you did
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um in the original opening of this we were talking about Tick Tock because I said right now oh yeah Ash is wearing a
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sweatshirt with various pickle jars on it and it's Majestic and I think it's great I also got you one as well so
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that's very exciting I appreciate that um and I was talking about how wonderful but also how dangerous The Tick Tock
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shop is because I've gotten a pickle sweatshirt I got a Lizzie McGuire shirt told me you liked until now yeah you
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know what I need to tell you things about this tell me so I saw that Elizabeth McGuire shirt the second you
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walked in I said holy [ __ ] that's Lizzie McGuire's inner Lizzie McGuire yeah like
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her like her brain her like cartoon version right her brain Lizzy I was so excited to walk in here with that too I
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was like oh she's gonna love this shirt and I feel terrible that I disappointed you because in my head when you walked
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in I go oh [ __ ] that's an awesome shirt and I didn't vocalize that and I don't
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know why sometimes I do that okay I do that a lot like I don't express things like that enough and sometimes I have to
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like remind myself to like don't just say it in here say it out there I do it with text messages too I'll read a text
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message and I'll go [ __ ] that's funny and then I don't express it in text message form to that person that's
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because you and I don't answer text messages yeah and I'm trying to be better at all that so but the entire day
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every once in a while I'd look over at Ash and I'd see that shirt and I'd be like [ __ ] that's a cool shirt and I
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would never say it that's okay I knew that you felt that because I know you I see you
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yeah I wore that shirt to the Savannah banana and then I posted about it and everybody was wild and out about that
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shirt and I was like oh Tick Tock shop so the Lizzie McGuire shirt which is [ __ ] awesome is from The Tick Tock
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shop Elaine Sage Boutique it's e-l-a-i-n-e-s-a-i-g-e Boutique hell yeah and then the pickle sweatshirt that I
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got is from bad addiction Boutique ooh a boutique if you're nasty and then I also got an electric spin
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scrubber I mean might as well just shout her out because yeah my shower floor has
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never looked so lovely and I got that where the [ __ ] did I get that hold on where the [ __ ] did you get that well
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there's like 55 of them apparently [ __ ] did you get that wait are these all from
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the same store like live updates with me okay so you're gonna have to just decide
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where you want to get that from because it's not telling me where I got mine from that's okay um and you can get it
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from many outlets on Tick Tock shop but yeah I [ __ ] love The Tick Tock shop I mean The Tick Tock shop is pretty
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[ __ ] great and it's like supporting small business it is but I still love Etsy in my heart too because I went over
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to Etsy and bought so much um Halloween stuff the other day and so much Disney stuff the other day
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look at you yeah we're talking about a haunted mansion today and then like while I was talk while I was like doing
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this case I was like oh I want to watch The Haunted Mansion and I want to go to Disney and ride the Haunted Mansion she
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said I want to go to there I want to go to there and I also want to go to this place to this haunted Mass the shoe sits
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Mansion I didn't even mean to say Massachusetts I was gonna say Mansion but then my
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brain was like tell them where it is it's in Massachusetts so yeah today we're going to talk about the SK Pierce
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Haunted Mansion I'm very excited about this because we wanted to go to this mansion and we still want to and we will
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at some point and now this is gonna scur me even more oh it is me thinks that it's haunted as [ __ ] I'm pretty sure you
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can stay the night there if you want to and uh I want to I want to do that we stayed at Lizzy Lizzie Borden's house so
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yeah I feel honestly weirdly I feel like this one would be less scary I mean Lizzie Borden had a vibe to it that I
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just think is unmatched never felt that way in a haunted location before I got almost like
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physically ill in one of the rooms it was heavy as [ __ ] and I'm oh and actually tonight this is a
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very good oh [ __ ] yeah tonight you know who knows when this comes out but and at
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this moment I get to go to The Conjuring house with John because John bought it for me like a visit and tour of The
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Conjuring house for our anniversary that is the cutest thing ever he I he like I
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always pester him into telling me like what he's gonna get you for like Christmas and like anniversaries and
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birthdays and stuff yep and he was like nervous about this he was like do you think she'll like it and I was like I
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think she'll [ __ ] love that like I think you're so smart music is that like a good anniversary gift I was like that
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is the anniversary gift for your wife truly the anniversary gift we get to go there we get to have a tour and then
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there's a medium coming there's this 5 000 page waiver that tells you all the terrible [ __ ] that can happen to you in
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this house which I'm pretty excited to sign so I don't like that see let's go see I'm not down to sign a waiver I'm
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down to sign because I also think that it's like pretty brilliant like it gets you real real school real I almost said
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scared and spookied at the same time but I'm very excited about it I'm excited to be spooky it's kicking off
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spooky season yes [ __ ] and this episode just feels right yeah I also love the differences in our nights you're going
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to The Conjuring house and I have a dress fitting hell yeah I got my wedding dress while you're getting like haunted
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it's true all right but yeah we're going haunted [ __ ] I'm bringing us to a haunted location in Massachusetts like I
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said and we're going to start in the spring of 2009 and then we're gonna travel back
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let's start there let's start there kid so oh also sorry if my voice annoys you I'm sick but you'll live I love you it's
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sultry oh um wow that was a great response literally she put her eyeballs up to the
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sky and she said ah yeah I don't know so I don't know what that was but it was great it was like haunted sexy like I
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said do Sultry and you went uh it was great well in the spring of 2009 Edwin Gonzalez and his girlfriend
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Lillian Otero which like also they should be in a Disney movie it was because I was like damn those names
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Edwin and Lillian gorgeous names but they fled their house in Gardner Massachusetts after less than a year of
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living there now when they originally moved into this place the SK Pierce Mansion they thought that it was their
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dream house but once they were safely away from this old Victorian Mansion they told their friends and family what
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really happened and it was far from a dream house experience what happened in Gardner they had been driven out by
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angry ghosts who had done everything including possessing Lillian oops in order to torment them and it left them
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with no other option than to just Abandon Ship they were like the [ __ ] out of here
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now obviously they didn't know it when they moved in but their home the skps Mansion had long been considered by
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locals to be haunted and and it's more than 100 Year history the home had seen its Fair probably more
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than its fair share of tragedies several people died there somebody actually died
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as recently as the 1960s and aside from the deaths there were countless other unsavory myths and legends about the
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house now in 2015 Lillian and Edwin sold the Pierce Mansion to a man from New Jersey
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who runs it now as a haunted attraction but and the fact that they sold it to a guy that like runs it as a haunted
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attraction raised some questions about their claims and raised some questions about the extent to which the rumors of
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the haunts were true so is the SK Pierce Mansion truly one of the nation's most haunted houses or is it nothing more
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than Legends and a very clever marketing scheme to figure it out we're going back to the
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beginning I think it's haunted it's haunted as [ __ ] I agree so over the last 50 years or so we're going over to
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Western Massachusetts so I'm going to give you a little rundown on Weston Mass let's go yeah so over the last 50 years
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or so western Mass has gone through some pretty big changes now the economy there
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is mostly fueled by you know tourism education the Arts I love western Mass it's beautiful it is but back in the day
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it was mostly fueled by manufacturing and western Mass was one of the biggest manufacturing hubs in the Northeast it
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was famous for its production of hats shoes and furniture all things I love who doesn't love
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furniture all things that are good yeah all things that are good who doesn't love hats and shoes especially if you
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can drink Bailey's out of them oh my God look at her pick it up where I left but
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among the cities and towns that make up the area the small community of Gardner became known in the mid 19th century as
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chair City got that chair not their problem I say that literally daily daily it's not my
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chin on my problems not my chin on my problem but it was always God in this chair because they're chased always at
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one point Gardner was home to 12 Furniture companies which was a pretty high number back then given the fact
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that the town only had a population of a few thousand people at the time damn so
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Fierce competition if you were in the furniture I would say so now Gardner was settled in the late 18th century and it
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quickly became one of massachusetts's main sources of lumber and because of that a pretty robust manufacturing
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industry was built and that provided jobs for thousands of young men across the area including one of Gardner's most
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famous residents Sylvester K Pierce oh he sounds important I was just gonna say I feel like he was born to be important
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Sylvester cape and he's from Massachusetts so I don't know why I keep putting like a weird uh why not Accent
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on it but it's like a little bit of a Transatlantic accent that we're thrown in there the way that I was just
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thinking that exact thing in my brain crazy so yeah he's a pretty important guy I hope you can see where we're going
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here because Sylvester K Pierce s k LOL yeah LOL so Sylvester was the seventh child of
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Jonas Pierce and I believe it's oxoff Fairbanks born in Westminster Massachusetts on April 11 1820. so quite
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some time ago we love an 1800s moment we do and this moment was Sylvester so his life was marked by tragedy very
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sadly at an early age his father actually died when he was only three years old and his mom did her best to keep the
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family together and she was successful at that for a lot of years but probably because there were so many children some
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eventually did have to be sent off to live with different relatives so when Sylvester was 11 he moved to live with
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um relatives I'm not quite sure who he went to live with at first but then three years after he originally moved he
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moved again this time to live with his uncle Abraham now when he turned 15 Sylvester went to
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work for one of Gardner's earliest furniture makers Elijah Putnam Elijah Putnam you say I feel like that man had
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to make furniture yeah I mean when you when your last name is Putnam in Massachusetts it's like hmm
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I know he probably sounds like some kind of descendant or like ancestor of the Putnams yeah one of
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those maybe not though so maybe not maybe common we won't slander his name I guess no he's a good Furniture maker so
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great again great you know what one might say legendary [ __ ] awesome truly one of the earliest so but as
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putnam's assistant Sylvester learned the basics of furniture making and the specifics on the budding industry and
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then he moved on to work under a man named Joel Fairbanks another furniture manufacturer and nearby Ashburnham I've
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never heard of that so I don't even know if I'm saying it right but I'm from Massachusetts so [ __ ] off so [ __ ] off
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no he stayed there for a few more years and then eventually found a new job working with Stephen Taylor a uh you
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guessed it Furniture maker hey the South Gardener now after five years with Taylor and now 10 years experience in
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the furnace furniture and the furniture industry Sylvester ended up buying the company from Stephen Taylor and with his
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own bro or with his own brother Jonas he opened what would eventually come SK Pearson's son one of the area's largest
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and most profitable Furniture manufacturers so in 1845 this was the year that Sylvester and Jonas opened
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their furniture company and Gardener Sylvester also happened to meet and quickly married 25 year old Susan
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Jackson and five years later in 1951 the company had grown quite considerably it was
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making a nice profit a nice profit you say I said it a nice graphic and that allowed Sylvester to build a new home
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for himself and his new bride and he built this home across from the factory in Gardner a few years later in June of
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1856 Susan gave birth to their only child a boy that they named Frank Frank or Frank if you're nasty now by a fan of
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Father of the Bride yes part two literally so by 1875 SK Pearson son had become actually one of the biggest Employers in
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the region damn they were making that big money so Sylvester wanted a home that was more befitting for a man of his
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wealth and status of that big money and not big big money so he already had his original house across from the factory
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but he was like nah it needs to be better SK Pierce I'm [ __ ] SK yeah I'd like your name your name's initials like
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that's you gotta make a palace you do it's just the rules so he contracted um a Worcester based architectural firm
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to my friend Marissa what's popping Worcester she will only get that so he contacted e Boden
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e Boyden and Sons to design a mansion in the Victorian style that they had become
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known for throughout New England which I wrote a little note here that said our personal fave oh I love a Victorian
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style house as do I it's like literally I love it my favorite do I have one no do I want one yes oh now the three-story
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Mansion located at 4 West Broadway was actually constructed on the site of Pierce's previous home what happened to
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the earlier house is actually unknown according to SK Pierce historian Kenneth Watson the original house was either
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destroyed or moved further down the street but I guess that there is evidence of the old Holmes Foundation
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that can actually still be seen in the basement of the Pierce mansion oh so that's interesting I know that
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would be really cool to see I know and I'm pretty sure you can go in the basement so yeah that would be pretty
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fun I feel like if you can go in the basement of the Lizzie Borden house you should go in the basement anywhere
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I agree wasn't there like some rule where we like weren't supposed to go back in the basement after people left
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but I think we did anyway we definitely went in there uh in the middle of the night yeah I think we could they told us
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we could they were just like at your own Peril yeah I think against it but we were like we're gonna do because they
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were like here's a [ __ ] lantern from the 1800s so if you want to go down there by all means yeah we were also
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there in like a giant storm which was [ __ ] a monster terrifying yeah yeah honestly that was like truly something
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truly but anyway back to our guy SK let's go SK the home took a year to complete which not honestly that's like
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not that long I feel to make a whole last home I don't think so but like a mansion a man Sean you know in the
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Victorian style yeah I feel like you see like a new place going up lately and it's like three years later it's
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finished it's true but anyways it took a year to complete and once it was done it
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was a gorgeous Monument of luxury and wealth everything I aspire to be myself you aspire to be a gorgeous Monument of
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luxury luxury and wealth yes I do that I love that like when I'm old I want to be
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a monument of luxury and wealth and gorgeousness I'm gonna make sure that's on your Tombstone please do except I'm
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not gonna be married she was a gorgeous Monument of luxury are you gonna do that
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from Beyond to the green hell yeah no I'm gonna live forever oh okay cool that's something I'd rather not do that
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as the undead oh there you go okay I'll do that yeah right no at more than 6 500
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square feet which like whoa that has contained 26 rooms four bathrooms 70 doors and at least as many windows damn
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it also featured many modern luxuries that you would not find in most Homes at the time including gas lighting oh [ __ ]
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in every room every [ __ ] room running water get out of here and a Winthrop furnace to heat the house oh [ __ ] no
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well unfortunately just weeks after the couple moved into their new home Susan contracted
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um aerosyphilis I believe is how you say it it is a bacterial infection of the skin that causes inflammation and if
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left and untreated it can be fatal oh nowadays they can treat it with antibiotics but um those medications
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didn't exist in 1876. damn so Susan sadly died in the home four weeks later on January 6
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1876. oh that's terrible like so sad sorry I was taking a sip of water now two years later Pierce SK
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Argyle married Ellen West a woman fit he is younger than him oh [ __ ] is okay escandalo was just like I would say
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when he does something taboo you go my goodness they had two boys together Stuart
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were Stuart Little born in 1879 and Edward born in 1882. according to Legends the new Mr and Mrs Pierce held
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these super Gorge wonderful lavish parties oh hell yeah they did with guest lists that included the likes of Norman
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Rockwell oh Betty Davis oh PT Burnham and even President Calvin Coolidge oh [ __ ] now that being said Ken Walton the
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caretaker of the Mansion points out there's no documentation to say for certain whether those rumors are true
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but you know who does say that for certain you me and me and I wasn't there nope but I know I say it I say it it
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reminds me of Allison's party in Hocus Pocus I bet they were all dressed like that and I bet someone liked someone
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else's yabos a hundred percent there was great yavos there in fact they loved him
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I love Halloween so life in the Pierce Mansion continued on being all kinds of fabulous until
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Sylvester died in the home from natural causes on January 28 1888. risk ripsk his funeral was held in
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the home a few days later on February 2nd which that always scares me but it happened you know oh it would happen oh
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yeah that's for sure hey hey that's what was happening it certainly is so in the
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months after Sylvester's death a heated debate of course erupted between his wife Ellen and Frank pierce his son from
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his first marriage that was gonna get ugly it always does as Sylvester's first born son Frank believed that he should
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have inherited the entire estate and according to Eric stanway was appalled when Ellen took all of the property
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including the factory Ellen come on that's a that's a Meredith Blake thing to do it really is it's
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getting Meredith and not in a good way no no Ellen claimed that Frank was charging her unreasonable service fees
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as the executor of the estate and argued that she was quote entirely capable of doing all the work herself for much less
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a sum okay so they're just arguing yeah I mean that's what happens somebody dies
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and everyone turns into a raging [ __ ] yeah it's pretty awful it's fun so the legal battles between Frank and Ellen
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continued until Ellen actually died in 1902 so they went on the rest of her life and at that point the remains of
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the estate were actually divided up between the three peer sons who would also spend years arguing both in court
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and amongst themselves Stuart Edward and Fran Frank Frank yep I almost said Francis
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but they would constantly argue over who had the most rights to the mansion but in the meantime Frank had taken over the
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furniture business Stewart himself had taken an interest in automobiles and he would actually go on to open his own
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dealership someday in 1908 to be exact and eventually Ellen and Scott youngest son Edward took control of the Pierce
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Mansion oh wow however what should have been a happy occasion or at least a relief of you know ending all these
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years of arguing quickly turned into tragedy when Edward's youngest or excuse me Edward's daughter Rachel died in the
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house from a bacterial infection oh no no some sources say that she was two years old and others say she was five so
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either way she was like a baby oh either way that's horrific it is and her death
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marked the beginning of a string of tragedies for the Pierce family now as the U.S entered World War One a
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lot of non-war related Industries went through significant decreases in Revenue obviously and that was only exacerbated
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then by the Great Depression so the financial collapse hit the Pierce family really really hard especially Edward and
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his wife their Fortune was almost completely depleted by back-to-back crises and this economy that they were
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making through there were rumors actually that in order to make ends meet they used the house as a brothel for a
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short time oh damn in the early Decades of the 20th century and to add to those rumors some people even claim that a
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young sex worker was murdered in one of the upstairs room rooms excuse me and that her body was hidden in a closet oh
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[ __ ] the brothel claims are among the more popular legends that surround the house but again according to Ken Walton
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there's no evidence to suggest that it's even remotely true all right Ken I know
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Ken's like no it's not I know you're being real right now you're telling truth that you're pushing you're just
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spitting facts but like you're saying there's a chance you're saying they're not we can't be sure we could never be
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sure we can't be sure that it wasn't either that's the thing that's that's what I'm hanging on to but instead he
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says Ken he's letting us know what truly happened quote the address had served as a bed
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and breakfast until 1951 when it was converted into a boarding house called The Victorian which remained in business
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until 1969. that's fun yeah but you know what I've seen peaky blinders I am currently finishing it after taking a
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break because it was really intense I don't know where this leads and it's the same kind of time period going on and
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even when they say something's about a breakfast never [ __ ] was going down back
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then there's beds everybody was doing shady [ __ ] back there and even if these blenders taught me anything and even if
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it wasn't like a legit brothel like yeah it's a bed and breakfast you don't know
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what's going on behind clothes yeah I mean hopefully nobody was murdered and stuck in a closet I'm not but exactly
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but I also I you know can kenz is doing this job yeah he's he's you know he's doing this he's telling us what he knows
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exactly and he can't say what he doesn't know and I understand that we get it so
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you know what we're with you Ken we love you we stand with you we do we love him
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but tragedy would strike again in 1963 when the fifth and final documented death to occur in the Pierce Mansion
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took place damn according to the legend a 49 year old World War II veteran inosari had been in bed on the evening
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of April 9th when his mattress quote mysteriously caught fire causing him to burn to death in The Blaze oh now many
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residents of Gardner still to this day actually blame his death on spontaneous combustion or some kind of Paranormal
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Activity but I will say I'm pulling a Ken here the coroner's reports uh recorders
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report notes non-threatening non-life-threatening Burns excuse me which could likely have come from him
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falling asleep while smoking and the coroner did attribute his cause of death to smoke inhalation okay but regardless
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of the cause multiple visitors to the house in the months and years after sari's death have reported catching
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quote a fleeting sense of something burning in his former bedroom oh and some people also report a feeling of
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being in the presence of an unknown entity in the room so that room is like a hot spot for some paranormal activity
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no matter what I want to go to this place so [ __ ] bad we're going I want to go during like October well I'm going
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to be a little busy but why what are you talking about you don't have time for school let's go to school let's go so
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according to Legend two years after sari's death Edward who was now financially desperate actually put them
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a mansion up as a wager in a poker game oh no that he ultimately lost oh no and he was forced to sign over the deed to
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the winner is he and he's the youngest he's the youngest yeah was Frank out here in these streets being like
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how did you just have that kid is he out there doing this boy and then he spits were you just waiting for that
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how long have you had that queued up yes yes I was she just the answer is yeah I queued it up long ago
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also succession forever is what Frank was doing here I think Frank might have been dead at this point
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from Beyond but from Beyond he was saying because you know when Kendall goes to his grave he's going to be
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spitting that [ __ ] well and you know that you know Frank was saying that before he died that like why is this
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even a question I'm the eldest boy he had spits and he spit and I mean like that was a big [ __ ] thing back then
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like the fact that Kendall pulled that out of his [ __ ] is pretty ridiculous that is one of the funniest scenes it
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made me squirm it's great the horrible way such a good thing I was like you are so yucky but but honestly back then it
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was like the eldest boy way yeah that was some that was some big [ __ ] yeah but
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okay here's the truth it's actually much less exciting and also less scandalous the fire in enosari's room caused more
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damage to the already crumbling Manner and it was gonna cost a lot of money that neither Edward or the family
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members could afford so with no other options Edward actually transferred ownership of the Mansion to a friend
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traveling musician uh Jay stemmerman okay who paid 35 000 for the house and property which was
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actually more than it was worth at the time damn today that would be around three hundred and forty thousand dollars
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for a [ __ ] Victorian Mansion damn like that's a steal yeah also [ __ ] highway robbery it is but
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apparently it was more than it was worth because of all the damage done to the property and the sale actually marked
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the first time in history that the home would be owned by somebody outside of the Pierce family since its construction
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almost a century earlier wow that's why Frank was 100 dead that's why Frank was also being like I'm the oldest boy what
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is happening and then she was just like laughing in the corner yeah but stemmerman had actually only he's a
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[ __ ] good friend he only purchased the home in order to help Edward out of a desperate situation and Edward
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actually kept living in the mansion with his wife until he died in 1967. damn that's a friend that's a friend because
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on paper somebody outside of the family owned the home but always like for the over essential control it was in family
00:29:28
control all right but after Edward died that was the end of it really because in
00:29:33
the years that followed the Pierce Mansion sat empty and slipped further and further into a state of disrepair no
00:29:40
until it was finally slated to be demolished in 1996. they were going to tear this place down what what
00:29:48
luckily the old Victorian was spared in 2000 oh wow when it was purchased by Suzanne and Mark I believe it's Beau
00:29:56
it's v-e-a-u but when I looked it up it said Bo um they bought it for 155 000 which was
00:30:02
about 30 000 less than the average home price at the time damn and they got no Mansion but also they're getting like a
00:30:09
decrepit Mansion so you can see why it's a fixer-upper yeah so the couple had purchased the home with the intention of
00:30:15
actually restoring it to its former glory but they quickly learned that getting into that and kind of like
00:30:21
refurbishing it was going to be way more difficult than they had originally anticipated because in addition to the
00:30:28
damage sustained by the fire and just straight up neglect over the previous 40 years
00:30:33
and on top of that most of the home's luxurious decorations and Furnishings had been stripped
00:30:39
like like I don't know if people just like went in there I was just gonna say I'm sure people went in there and just
00:30:45
kind of took what they wanted a little bit this included a goddess stairway lamp a crystal chandelier with over a
00:30:52
hundred crystals in it damn a built-in Walnut staircase which how the [ __ ] are
00:30:57
you taking a whole sorry staircase out of there somebody took a built-in staircase I guess or it just like
00:31:03
collapsed I don't really knows like the [ __ ] what me thinks is that because it's like a walnut staircase
00:31:18
they probably like like uh demolished it and took the Walnut I guess no I think they took these wires I'm just like let
00:31:27
me take this [ __ ] but they also took a pool table wow okay even That's Heavy correct but so yeah all of that was not
00:31:37
great and just as much of a problem at least for the bows was the sense that something in human was residing in the
00:31:43
house with them that's a problem which like you bought an old Victorian Mansion that is decrepit and been neglected for
00:31:48
the last 40 years so and that many people have died in I think you probably like should have known that but yeah I'm
00:31:54
not gonna judge you you know now as luck would have it though during a 2003 promotional event for the radio station
00:32:00
that Mark worked for um wxlo he met a psychic medium who simply went by the name Sid Sid Sid Sid
00:32:11
Vicious said the kid now Sid was intrigued by what she heard about the old Victorian Mansion and
00:32:17
after being invited over for a tour she made her way through all the rooms when she got to the third floor She
00:32:23
encountered what she said was the spirit of a teenage girl and according to Sid the girl had quote come to the city from
00:32:29
a great distance away fallen in love with the house and didn't want to leave oh it was me I'm the girl I was just
00:32:36
gonna say I'm just kidding now then there was another Spirit on the lower floors Sid said it was the spirit of a
00:32:42
young woman who used to work in the mansion and had loved a man who lived in the house presumably Pierce but could
00:32:48
never do anything because of the class difference between the two and also because Pierce was married classic but
00:32:55
classy I like that she didn't do anything about it yeah she was like do I think you're hot yeah are you married
00:33:01
bummer yeah are you above my station she was like yeah I guess I'll just haunt you later I guess I'll just stick
00:33:09
around and yeah I'll just live in your house I wonder what SK looked like I forgot to
00:33:14
look it up check him out check him out see if he's hot cfsk is his daddy Sid met a couple more Spirits during her
00:33:23
trip feel free to interrupt me once you find out I will so you met a few more Spirits during her trip that included a
00:33:28
man in his late 40s or early 50s who had died in a fire of the home oh he thinks
00:33:33
this is eno and that of a young boy around five years old who had just come to the house to visit and decided to
00:33:38
stick around oh looking for that kid so the experience had reported not only confirmed what the Vose had suspected
00:33:44
but also oh is he not the zadiest of zadius it's hard to tell because of the style of the
00:33:52
day as well like that beer the beard really throws me for a loop so I feel like without the beard he's a handful he
00:33:59
has pretty good bone structure that's the thing I think the beard is kind of throwing it off and I love a big schnage
00:34:04
so I do too yeah so so I'm into I'm in you know he has a nice haircut money you know so you know you know so the
00:34:23
experience had reported not only confirmed what the Vose had suspected but also what they had been told by
00:34:29
other psychics who had come to the home before according to Suzanne every one of
00:34:33
the mediums who had visited the home had felt the presence of the younger woman that uh Sid had talked about and they
00:34:40
believed this to be the spirit of Maddie Cornwell a 19 year old Nova scotian woman who had worked for the Pierce
00:34:46
family shortly after their mansion was built in the late 19th century I believe she was a nanny according to Sid though
00:34:54
it was Maddie's Spirit who had protected the house when it caught fire in 1963 and she was still watching over it oh my
00:35:02
gosh like that is a [ __ ] employee I love that right three years later the Vos welcomed a second set of paranormal
00:35:10
investigators into the home this time the Atlantic Paranormal Society which you might also know as tap hell yeah and
00:35:18
you might also know them from the show Ghost Hunters I [ __ ] so hard with Ghost Adventures ah so heavy for Ghost
00:35:25
Hunters Ghost Hunters and Ghost Adventures Ghost Adventures but Taps Taps Taps was my [ __ ] yeah JP also loves
00:35:32
talking oh my God we used to watch that all the time truly um I love to watch it during spooky
00:35:36
season yeah but while previous investigators welcome to the house they had all been psychic mediums the members
00:35:43
of TAPS they claim to approach each case from a more scientific perspective and using technology they try to rule out
00:35:49
alternative explanations explanations goodbye for the disturbances that's why I like them exactly they're yeah they're
00:35:57
doing the scientific method exactly now ultimately the results of the Taps investigation were inconclusive but the
00:36:03
team was still pretty impressed with the vo's attitude toward their very potentially haunted home yeah Taps
00:36:09
founder Grant Wilson said oh yeah grant grant yeah we love Grant yeah awesome a lot of people are terrified in their
00:36:17
homes so it's nice to meet somebody who's embracing it yeah there you go you know I feel you grant yeah yeah Grant
00:36:24
Wilson for the win Grant I never know when to stop now the bows were definitely enthusiastic about
00:36:39
growing the haunted reputation of the home so they started giving guided tours and they eventually even opened a gift
00:36:44
shop in the house wow now whether or not the votes had bigger Ambitions for the Pierce Mansion like you know making it a
00:36:51
legit haunted attraction is unclear but if they did have plans for something more formal those plans were abandoned
00:36:58
in the summer of 2007 when I don't know why but they decided to move out of the house and put it on the market at 375
00:37:06
000. wow in 2007 yeah I am which I feel like what do you think that's a [ __ ] huge
00:37:15
house that's the thing 375 and it's like how historical it feels like so it's like absolutely it's super I mean you
00:37:22
worked for one of the biggest Furniture companies and then made one of the biggest Furniture companies so it's
00:37:27
super historical I wonder if the Historical Society didn't recognize it yet at that point or something well and
00:37:33
you yeah and then also they bought it for like nothing yeah and then they like so it's like they that's a big markup
00:37:41
that's true but it but they had like um done a lot of course yeah so that makes sense why the markup was
00:37:48
so high yeah now Suzanne and Mark vo had really leaned into the haunted aspect of
00:37:52
their home and that built quite the reputation around the Pierce Mansion even though they had done a lot of
00:37:57
beautiful renovations to the property word had gotten around about the hauntings and so no one was really
00:38:04
willing to pay that much for a super haunted house so it seems like the Vos may have done themselves a little bit of
00:38:10
a disservice by being so open about their discoveries so the house sat on the market with
00:38:16
minimal interest from buyers for over a year wow and the asking price reduced dramatically not once but three times
00:38:23
before any buyers expressed serious interest so funny to see like that house is gorgeous oh it's looking beautiful
00:38:32
[ __ ] huge and it's a historical Victorian Mansion I love it for 375 000 and if you're in the market for a
00:38:41
home at that price point that would be a [ __ ] dream literally but that people we still like that's why when people are
00:38:50
like I don't believe in ghosts I'm like I don't know I think we all do because none of you were buying that house but
00:38:56
no one to bite at that just because it might be haunted you know what's funny that's why I was gonna be like well
00:39:02
would you buy it but I know the answer you definitely yeah hell yeah would you go with kids
00:39:06
probably not that's a good point that's the thing I put myself through it I wouldn't put my kids through I don't
00:39:12
just in case they were scary I don't want scary yeah or like yeah I'd like a dangerous or anything like that like I'm
00:39:17
willing to put myself through whatever but this home is beautiful and if I had the money to pay for it I would like to
00:39:22
think that I would buy it but I actually don't know if I would buy a haunted house like if I knew it was haunted yeah
00:39:28
I know yeah I mean I guess I'm I'm out because I have kids yeah exactly so if it was just
00:39:35
me and John but but it's it's like if we were going into it being like we want to
00:39:38
start a family I wouldn't start a family in a haunted house but I knew was potentially haunted yeah exactly I guess
00:39:44
yeah I don't know that's a that's a tough thing because you like you're like oh my God 375 000 for a [ __ ] 20
00:39:51
however many bedroom house or room house well and it tells you how uh how deep your belief in ghosts really is totally
00:40:00
and I mean a Massachusetts come on if you don't believe in ghosts what's wrong with you it's true what the [ __ ] is
00:40:05
wrong with you you listen and what's wrong with you I'm just kidding I love you I said that's so like so
00:40:11
interestingly I was like I love you I love you gotta go you made me cough don't copy me so when
00:40:19
Edwin Gonzalez I'm just kidding you are copying me that's because you got me you
00:40:23
stole my cold okay I did that intentionally so when Edwin Gonzalez and his girlfriend Lillian saw the Pierce
00:40:30
Mansion online it seemed like the perfect opportunity to fulfill their dream Edwin said Lillian has always
00:40:36
wanted to own a Victorian house me too we were coming in from Boston at the time I had the opportunity to work from
00:40:43
home for the first time so we had the luxury of living wherever we wanted in Massachusetts yeah which like what a
00:40:49
[ __ ] luxury yeah that's awesome Massachusetts has so many beautiful oh my God yeah quaint and historical towns
00:40:56
love Massachusetts I'm never leaving I [ __ ] love messages I [ __ ] so heavy with Massachusetts hell yeah I'm out of
00:41:03
Massachusetts hell yeah so by the time they found the listing for the mansion in 2008 the price had dropped even more
00:41:09
considerably first from 375k to 225k then from second time from 225k to 180k what which seems like a [ __ ]
00:41:23
steal for a grandiose Suburban Mansion yeah Edwin later recalled well we were shocked at the price which was
00:41:30
significantly lower than what we would have paid in Boston uh yeah you should be able to buy like a billion different
00:41:35
things in Boston for that but you would literally be able to buy like a closet legit in Boston you'd be able to I think
00:41:42
you would literally be able to buy a closet like you'd be able to rent a studio apartment maybe
00:41:47
you could have like the corner exactly but he said I immediately called the realtor and told her I was interested in
00:41:54
the property at number four West Broadway there was some hesitation on the other end of the line so I repeated
00:41:59
the address I thought that's somewhat odd and assumed there must be some structural structural issues with the
00:42:05
place but there was more than that so a few days later Edwin and Lillian drove out to Gardner and they
00:42:12
immediately fell in love with the SK Pierce Mansion me too same but as much as they loved the house Edwin couldn't
00:42:18
help but feel like there was something strange about it he later said as I toured the house I remember that in
00:42:24
certain rooms I had different emotions certain rooms I felt very comfortable in in other rooms I had a bad feeling I was
00:42:31
very nauseous and I thought maybe it was something I'd eaten so he brushed the feeling off knowing how much Lillian had
00:42:37
already fallen love fallen in love with the house which like great man that is a
00:42:41
nice man and so they decided to put in an offer which was quickly accepted yeah I bet it was because it also had been on
00:42:47
the market for help yeah at that point and it was 2008 so like not the best time to buy a house now by January 2009
00:42:54
Edwin and Lillian had closed on their property completely moved into their new home and the strange occurrences began
00:43:01
pretty much immediately just a few weeks later well this this one [ __ ] me up just a few weeks later they were meeting
00:43:08
with a neighbor and the man asked Edwin if the couple had any children and when Edwin was like no we don't have kids the
00:43:14
man was like wait what like you don't have any kids like who was the kid I saw earlier in your house today oh and Edwin
00:43:20
was like what do you mean and the man said he'd seen a young boy about five or six years old looking out one of the
00:43:26
windows on the on the third floor and then just a few seconds later saw him at another window on the opposite end of
00:43:33
the house so he was like I saw this [ __ ] twice like you have kids I know you do oh that's a no from me and Edwin
00:43:38
was like um you are definitely mistaken because not only do we not have children but um
00:43:44
it would be impossible for anyone to move that quickly from that window to the other one on the third floor because
00:43:50
quote he said he would literally have to go through two walls and a staircase so you're saying it's possible you've
00:43:59
got yourself a ghost boy yeah that's a ghost child my friend scary so the signing of the boy was just the first in
00:44:06
what would be a long line of unusual and unexplicable experiences that Lillian and Edwin would have in their new home
00:44:13
just a few nights later Edwin and Lillian were woken up in the Night by The Sound of one of the large doors on
00:44:19
the lower floor slamming shut oh no and it [ __ ] me up I hate the sound of slamming nurse Edwin said these are big
00:44:27
doors that don't slam on their own they usually take a lot of force to just swing them open now noises continued on
00:44:34
early into the next morning when the couple was woken up by the sound of the doorbell and a series of loud banging
00:44:40
knocks at the front door but when Edwin ran down to see who the [ __ ] was pounding on their door that early in the
00:44:46
morning no one was there no I don't like that that I'd be like I gotta go that seems like [ __ ] with
00:44:52
you I don't like it yeah it's definitely [ __ ] with you which also is like kind
00:44:55
of funny when you think about it but also pretty terrible but scary if you're in the position exactly funny for me
00:45:00
because I'm not in it but not funny for you now in the first few months at the Pierce Mansion the strange occurrences
00:45:07
seemed limited to these kind of strange disruptions and misplaced objects some weird [ __ ] noises and also the
00:45:14
occasional feeling of being watched but in April things took a rather dramatic turn Edwin said I was sitting in my
00:45:22
office which had originally been the nursery it was about five in the afternoon and I was sitting at my desk
00:45:26
when I had the image of a man appear right in front of my face oh and then he said without any kind of warning the
00:45:34
figure rushed toward him so he threw his hands up to protect himself and probably
00:45:38
turned his face on imagining but a few seconds later everything was back to normal and when he looked around the
00:45:45
room there was nobody there and no evidence that anybody had them that would scare me [ __ ] out of me I would
00:45:50
[ __ ] myself and that's unusual like that feels like an unusual because like because you know people are gonna want
00:45:58
to debunk oh of course and it's like when people tell these kind of stories usually they're like either over the top
00:46:04
or they're like nothing and this is like right and this is just like a strange one like they just showed up in front of
00:46:10
your face and then we're gone and you've heard you know like yeah it feels realer
00:46:14
yeah it definitely does it really freaks me out now when Edwin and Lillian had purchased the house
00:46:20
several months earlier they dealt almost entirely with their real estate agent not the previous owners and so they
00:46:27
hadn't been given any information about the home supposed Supernatural past but now Edwin wanted to look into the
00:46:33
history of the homework kind of find out what he'd gotten himself into yeah so he
00:46:37
looked up the names of the owners and he called them and they summarized the Paranormal claims about the home and
00:46:43
they also suggested that he look up the history of the house in a book titled haunted Massachusetts hey I think I have
00:46:49
that book I do have that book and it's hilarious that they bought this home and didn't realize that it was listed in a
00:46:56
book haunted publication so after reading all about the home and all of its paranormal history Edward believed
00:47:03
that the man he saw in his office that day was the spirit of inosari oh [ __ ] creepy so he decided to call a local
00:47:12
husband and wife team of paranormal investigators and they I decided to take a break from them for
00:47:24
a minute but he they agreed to come to the house and investigate all these different disturbances so the
00:47:29
investigators they set up cameras throughout the house to start trying to record anything but they said they
00:47:34
weren't able to document anything because the spirits in the home kept knocking the cameras over I feel like
00:47:40
that's documenting something so do I personally I also that was actually my first he's like it's so weird we weren't
00:47:46
able to catch anything crazy because ghosts kept kicking the cameras over and it's like I don't know I feel like
00:47:51
that's it he's like it's weird one ghost just punted the camera across the room yeah like I didn't get anything I think
00:47:57
that's the tweet my phone that's actually the X so before leaving they cleansed the
00:48:05
house with sage and they recommend which I was like y'all just cleanse the house
00:48:09
with sage you thought that was gonna do the trick at this point they're like this will be fun they were a little past
00:48:13
that but they recommended that Edwin and Lillian Prof form a cleansing ritual nightly for several nights in a row so
00:48:19
that they could assert their ownership of the house which their dominance I don't think you should assert your
00:48:25
dominance over a haunted house so after the cleansing ritual all was quiet in the house for a few nights
00:48:31
because the ghosts got together and they said let them think they have the upper
00:48:34
hand exactly and then strike when no one's looking they were like that was cute they got you then they slapped each
00:48:39
other's butts and they went on with the halt they all said you sure about them I love that guy
00:48:48
so I buy it for a few nights and Edwin and Lillian became hopeful that their ordeal
00:48:53
might finally be over but uh they quickly learned that their Hope was misplaced when about a week or so later
00:48:58
they heard the sound of smashing glass coming from the kitchen they said it sounded like somebody was down there
00:49:05
just breaking all of their dishes which I would have been pissed yeah I wouldn't
00:49:09
have been happy so they ran downstairs to the kitchen but when they got there there was no evidence of anything being
00:49:16
broken okay this is very reminiscent of at my house growing up because one day me and my brother were the only ones
00:49:24
home we this I went upstairs no you do this is the one when we heard like shattering glass and we heard like a
00:49:32
slam upstairs and we're like oh my God so we ran upstairs into his room which was the original main bedroom in the
00:49:39
house and he had all these like framed post like pictures like cigar or put photos inside I don't know he was weird
00:49:48
kidding but one of his big framed heavy cigar pictures almost like Shadow Boxing
00:49:55
yeah like big it wasn't Shadow boxy it was just like a very thick frame like very heavy okay okay and it was leaned
00:50:02
up it was it was on one wall what before and it was leaned over on the opposite wall on the floor like it had been
00:50:10
leaned against the wall on the opposite wall and it wasn't broken at all but we heard shattering glass
00:50:18
that's so weird I do know that story it was shocking and hadn't that it had fallen down multiple times and he kept
00:50:24
putting it back I remember him saying it was like someone didn't want that picture yeah so he was like I'm not
00:50:28
gonna hang that again that's so creepy yeah that room active room I've had [ __ ] happen to me
00:50:36
in there you've had [ __ ] happening oh yeah I [ __ ] hate that room yeah that room has some like
00:50:43
I think it comes from the closet yeah it's because there's two closets in that room and I get a bad feeling from one of
00:50:49
them yep but this isn't about our house we should [ __ ] talk about it like just making an episode of our house
00:50:58
so yeah they they heard that but then again there was no evidence that anything was broken and then a few days
00:51:03
later they got a weird unexpected visit from a stranger at their door a man named Bill Wallace had knocked on the
00:51:10
door and claimed that he had some experience with this house just out of the blue that's unsettling
00:51:17
yeah I don't like it but he was fine okay cool he saw the couples it's just built by guys so he told the
00:51:25
couple that he was actually a spiritual empath and a friend of the former owners
00:51:29
Mark and Suzanne and he said they invited him to investigate the home multiple times and while he did his
00:51:35
different investigations he'd learned a lot about the house and wants to tell you all about it yeah my New York would
00:51:40
like to tell you about it ready you got nothing to say Sid that's so sad that is so sad that's so sad that's so
00:51:53
Sydney it's the future she can see I don't know sure so in 2013 Bill told the Discovery Channel I knew there was
00:52:01
something nasty in the cellar I knew there was something nasty on the second floor and Bill also knew nasty nice that
00:52:07
really worked out yeah Bill also knew about the young boy that the neighbors had seen in the window a
00:52:15
few months earlier he said I knew there was a child who would this is sad who had been abused terribly in life and was
00:52:21
still being abused by somebody in the house as a spirit oh let's [ __ ] that Spirit up
00:52:28
[ __ ] that Spirit [ __ ] that Spirit like show them oh that poor little boy you
00:52:33
can't even Escape it in the afterlife [ __ ] that person who did that I know it makes me so sad oh I want to kick their
00:52:38
ass kick your ass I'm gonna kick your ass do you remember that video little girl that
00:52:44
was like I'm going to kick his ass yes that's me right now that's me right now I'm like I'm gonna
00:52:55
kick his ass I don't want him to kick my ass but I'm gonna kick his ass oh man so
00:53:00
after 10 months in the home the once minor disturbances at this point had escalated exponentially and now they
00:53:08
seem to contain an element of Menace that hadn't been there previously uh-oh according to Bill Wallace the spirit of
00:53:14
the Pierce's former Nanny Maggie he called her Maggie but her name was Maddie but Bill said that Maddie had been
00:53:21
trying to uh protect Edwin and Lillian from the others he referred to as them to them as the others in the house but
00:53:30
there was only so much that she could do to prevent a more serious situation damn
00:53:35
but out of options and now very concerned for their own safety Edward and Lillian decided to hold kind of a
00:53:42
paranormal open house thinking that this would solve their problems all right okay these are choices they're choices I
00:53:52
don't know what I would do in this situation I think what they were thinking was that this group of people
00:53:57
that they invited was going to help them but I think they did more hurt than hell
00:54:01
yeah a paranormal open house sounds [ __ ] awesome like I'd go I would go I don't know if I would hold one in my
00:54:09
home I wouldn't I know for a fact that I would not hold one of them to each their
00:54:13
own yeah live your life so they invited a bunch of paranormal investigators to the home in hopes that one might have a
00:54:19
solution to the the huge problems that they were going through so the open house was organized by local paranormal
00:54:25
investigator John breitman and it attracted psychic mediums and other kinds of paranormal investigators who
00:54:31
eventually broke off into separate teams this is awesome it's [ __ ] cool this is awesome each team separated and took
00:54:38
up a quadrant of the floor now John's only stipulation to this whole thing was that nobody bring in a Ouija board or
00:54:45
any other item into the home that could invite negative entities in the House John is actually Ash John and me are one
00:54:53
in the same but he would later learn and he was probably so pissed because I know
00:54:57
I would be that not everybody had taken his request seriously so while John and other teams explored the upper floors of
00:55:04
the house a Duo of supposed paranormal investigators in the basement began performing what John believes was a
00:55:11
Satanic ritual using a hand-drawn spirit board okay yeah so upstairs I don't know if he
00:55:21
just thinks like using a spirit board is like satanic in and of itself I don't I
00:55:26
don't know I wasn't there me either oh my but I would be pissed if I was John I mean yeah that's not when he when you
00:55:33
said don't when when you you know what I'll give it to John if you if you make it very clear no Satanic rituals and
00:55:40
they come in and do a Satanic ritual that's [ __ ] up yeah and you really shouldn't have to make it clear like not
00:55:46
to do Satanic rituals I feel like that should just be like that should be one of those things that you you should at
00:55:50
least ask before you do a Satanic ritual you know like just Chuck may I use your
00:55:55
bathroom may I do a satanic do you mind if I do a Satanic ritual in the basement
00:56:00
just like what do you think just is that all right and it's like also you guys were supposed to be helping not
00:56:06
performing rituals of the satanic nature but upstairs on the second floor John and his group were investigating the
00:56:12
former bedroom of inosari one of the most active locations for paranormal occurrences now they weren't able to
00:56:18
make contact with contact with Eno's Spirit through asking questions out loud so John decided to take a more
00:56:24
aggressive approach and he sat down on the bed which he figured would agitate the spirit and prompt some kind of
00:56:30
response now after a minute or two of an antagonistic questioning John felt a burning sensation on his side and he
00:56:39
pulled up his shirt to reveal three large scratches across his stomach damn and at the same time other investigators
00:56:47
in the room Heard a Voice say squeeze every throat in this house like that escalated so quickly
00:57:00
shoot in this house damn how far look at that I need to take a deep breath that was that's chilling that is chilling
00:57:09
squeeze every throat in this house that was definitely the person abusing somebody in this oh yeah oh [ __ ] so this
00:57:17
experience sent John fleeing the room into the hallway where he claims he was assaulted again this time by an unseen
00:57:24
fist damn yeah he later recalled in 10 years the most I've had happened to me is maybe the tug of a shirt or a door
00:57:31
slam on me hear a voice that's normal normal occurrences but to be physically attacked like this and then have
00:57:37
something touch you the way it did it's scary yeah which like I speak from experience because I got poked on the
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USS Salem when we went with our our boys Sam and Colby and that was scary yeah like that poke I felt on my body for the
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rest of the night yeah so to be scratched by his spirit and like punched it sounds like a ghosty blue in my ear
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yeah but I didn't like that either that wasn't awesome and then they chased us out of a room that was also scary that
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also was not awesome yeah you can go watch the video on Sam and Colby's Channel or the explore page Kim you can
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do that so the attack in enosari's former bedroom shook John breitman to the point where he actually concluded
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the Paranormal open house he was like y'all need to get out he rounded everybody up and ushered them personally
00:58:24
out of that wow and left uh Edwin and Lillian alone to deal with whatever the event had just stirred up at that point
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I love how he's like everyone else sorry guys sorry about that bye it's like a frat party and then your parents get
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home yeah Edwin said they came in they got some evidence and then they left us with no answers that's when I realized
00:58:41
the groups weren't trying to help us out they were just trying to conjure up as much action as they can
00:58:46
it's like that shitty yeah that sucks so in the days that followed the paranormal
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investigation things shockingly seemed to get worse in the house I don't know why wow I wonder why and things
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especially seem to get worse surrounding Lillian Edwin told reporters one night Lillian went down into the basement
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apparently sleepwalking and began digging in the cellar a lot of people pick up something negative very negative
00:59:08
in the cellar there are shadows and the sound of children laughing down in the cistern ooh now during one of her
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sleepwalking events Edwin claimed that Lillian was digging through the ashes in the remnants of an old Kiln in the
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basement the [ __ ] and she discovered a scrap of an early 20th century newspaper
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article about several children who had drowned on the property shut up now eventually he and Lillian came to
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believe that the drowning was the reason for the presence of the spirit of the young boy on the second and third floors
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and actually this wasn't the first time that Edwin had heard about drownings on the property others had informed him of
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the supposed death of a young girl who drowned in the pot in a pond behind the mansion in the early 1900s
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now while these deaths may have occurred at one point or another it should be said that there is no pond on the Pierce
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Mansion property well that puts a wrench in things that doesn't mean that there never was there's not currently that
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makes me think twice that makes you think twice but maybe there was and then maybe around there and they filled it up
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we don't know maybe and actually unfortunately there are multiple bodies of water in Gardner but none are close
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enough to the mansion that the drowning deaths would be even remotely related to
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activity in the house I have to give you both sides so I was literally I don't know if Mikey
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just saw I immediately started Googling I was like drownings like going for it and then you were like there's no body
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of water on the property and I was like where where yeah someone can drive somebody can drown in
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a bathtub dry drowning is kind of like a but somebody can drown in a bathtub okay
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that is for sure that's definite or they could drown in a man-made pond yeah you know maybe there was a little
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frog pond maybe a property that was filled in we don't know I don't know I wasn't there you don't know you don't
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know nobody knows but either way Edwin was growing more and more concerned about Lillian because she was
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sleepwalking a lot and being kind of strange I do however sorry to interrupt you I do however Wonder
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because Edwin said she found scraps of a newspaper that listed these frownings yeah
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like does that does that one have that newspaper yeah I don't know we maybe he'll listen
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to this and say yeah [ __ ] I do because I would love to see it I mean I hope he says it nicer but I know I would
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also love him I do have to go on it quickly and I'll keep talking okay cool oh I should have done that myself but I
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didn't but I'll do it because I love newspapers.com let's go but I I didn't do it because I
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was like oh my God I have to keep learning about Lily in here because Lillian started to get worse and worse
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Edwin told the Discovery Channel I was starting to lose her she was slipping away I didn't have any answers and I had
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no one to turn to she was becoming more and more exhausted sitting on the couch all day long I thought this is really
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the house that's affecting her damn so with nowhere else to turn Edwin contacted a man who claimed to be an
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exorcist and the man came to the house and did perform an exorcism which he said would end the haunting
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but a few nights later Edwin woke up in the middle of the night to find that Lillian had again wandered down into the
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basement and was again digging in the ashes of the old Kiln and when he tried to bring her back upstairs she began
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shouting at him until he agreed to leave her alone down there she did like she was like get the [ __ ] away from me I
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want to dig damn no the night after that like weird altercation interaction Bill Wallace
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showed up at the couple's front door again and this time he said he had a feeling that Lillian was in danger and
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he believed that Edwin and Lillian were no longer safe in the home he said he couldn't explain it but everything
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became much clearer when Edwin told him about the exorcism Bill said from what he thought that the
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the ritual performed by The Exorcist had actually only succeeded in driving out the spirit of Maddie and she was the
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only thing standing between them and the malevolent spirits in the house who wished them harm damn now Bill recalled
01:03:31
that moment and said for the very first time ever I was afraid to be alone in that house whoa yeah this is chilling it
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truly is anything on newspapers over there I'm looking okay keep looking now Bill's genuine concern for Edwin and
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Lillian and his insistence that they stay and fight for the house was all the proof that Edwin needed that they might
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be in real danger and so they decided that they get the [ __ ] out of the Pierce
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Mansion Edwin said it's one thing when you try to fight it but when it's affecting the person you love more I
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don't want to see anything like that happen to her we had so many hopes and dreams we envisioned the house being
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brought back to the way it used to be but unfortunately we kind of lost our dreams oh that's sad it is sad now not
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too too long after Bill's visit Edwin and Lillian did move out of the mansion and they actually didn't have anywhere
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to go quite yet so they stayed with Lillian's sister temporarily so that kind of tells you like how scared they
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were yeah that they didn't have anywhere to even go they didn't have anywhere to
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go other than to her sister's house and in the meantime they were just trying to
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figure out what to do about the house yeah and almost immediately after leaving the house it was said that
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Lillian returned to normal like nothing had ever happened wow so while moving out of the house may have dramatically
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improved Edwin and Lillian's mental health they still had invested almost everything they had into the home and
01:04:52
some of the renovations that they made after moving in like they had invested a lot of money into this place yeah and
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because of that there was no way that they could sell the home and break even never mind even make a profit oh damn
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and just like the Vos before them Edwin and Lillian's time in the Pierce Mansion
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had only increased the home's haunted reputation which made it even harder to sell for I don't know so rather than
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struggle to sell a haunted house Edwin decided to use the mansion's reputation to his advantage and he started hosting
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paranormal investigators television programs and ghost stores doing what he could to make the most of a bad
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situation and it turned out while most people weren't interested in buying a haunted house many people people were
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willing to pay a small price or a norm like a regular price to visit one so the proceeds from the tours and the
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events not only helped Edwin and Lillian stay afloat after moving out but they also were able to fund some restoration
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projects and covered the cost of badly needed repairs to the roof and some other various parts of the home
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so for years Edwin returned to the house regularly to host new tour groups or production companies filming paranormal
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shows about the house and in some cases he would even participate in the investigations but there was one
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incident where he claims that he communicated directly with a disembodied voice of a spirit in the house and he
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decided at that point that he didn't want to be a part of the events anymore this like really freaked him out oh damn
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he said about the voice it was coming from all around the room like it was in Stereo from that point on I never wanted
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to participate in investigations again the right [ __ ] so in the years after Edwin and Lillian's departure from the
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house the Pierce Mansion became a pretty popular destination for paranormal enthusiasts and groups like East Coast
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paranormal research team they became frequent visitors to the estate and they were actually even able
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to lead ghost tours of their own after a certain point so for Edwin and Lillian who initially
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felt like pretty heartbroken and sad after having to leave the house the unexpected turn of events really
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couldn't have been more beneficial Edwin told a reporter in 2013 I'm still amazed
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by what I encountered in that house we just can't move back in damn yeah so they lived in a house for a little under
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a year but they continued renting out the property until April 2015 and that's when they put it back on the marking
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Price Market with an asking price of nearly twice what they paid for it in 2008. [ __ ] but again I remember 2008 was
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a really shitty time to buy a house and they had done a lot of restoration projects so while their attempt to sell
01:07:32
what was then a notoriously haunted house was pretty risky given what we know from even this story alone they got
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lucky and within three months they had found a buyer who was willing to pay almost full asking price for the house
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wow no I didn't see that coming nor did I but unlike all the previous owners of the house The Pierces Pierce mansion's
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newest owner Robert Conte had no intention of moving in which is why he bought it instead he wanted to turn the
01:07:59
estate into a full-time haunted attraction Robert Conti is actually a periodontist by trade oh my God I'm
01:08:08
obsessed with that but also owns a traveling haunted circus what yup a traveling haunted circus you
01:08:17
heard I need to know more about the same so when he came across the listing online
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he had been looking for opportunities to expand his haunted Empire and he was like perfect let's buy this oh yeah so
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he learned about the history of the home and learned uh even more about the recent stories of Paranormal Activity
01:08:34
took a tour of the property and he was convinced that the Pierce Mansion was exactly what he and his wife had been
01:08:40
looking for damn he told ABC News I didn't really come into this believing in ghosts but the minute I walked into
01:08:47
this house I was overwhelmed and had to excuse myself and get a piece of candy because I thought I was gonna pass out
01:08:52
oh my gosh so he went into this not even believing in ghosts and was like oh this
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place is [ __ ] no I'm doing this no once the sale was finalized the Conte's got to work restoring the house to its
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former glory they were able to finish all the restoration projects that had been started by previous owners and
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actually these projects were overseen by local historian and caretaker Kenneth Watson oh [ __ ] it's our Ken Ken he's
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just Ken oh my God I haven't even seen that movie and he's great at doing stuff I [ __ ] loved the Barbie movie you
01:09:25
should see it but um yeah so Watson had become very friendly with Edwin and Lillian and they recommended him to
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Conti after the sale in 2015 so we got to stick around oh [ __ ] and since the restoration is completed completion in
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2020 Kenneth Watson has remained as kind of a caretaker and manager of the estate
01:09:45
Kenneth I'm you know Ken I've come around to I I wasn't trying to be mean to Ken in the beginning when I was like
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you ruined my fun Ken but now team can Team can he's just like Ken listen I know about this house I trust him I do
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too and you should too and we might meet him because hell yeah I'm about to meet
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Ken because he leads tours and sees to the overnight guests who book a stay at the Mansion see Ken we've been through a
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journey here today and I'm excited to meet you can't wait to see you and within a year there were more than 3 000
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people on the waiting list to stay at the house overnight well sure so we should get on that I was like okay maybe
01:10:24
I won't see you soon excuse me I wonder if there still is a waiting list yeah I would assume there
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could be rambling it's pretty pretty popular location now kovid an interrupted business for a bit but
01:10:37
they are back in business and business has been strong at the newly renovated and fully operational SK Pierce Mansion
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hell yeah and when the call went out for applications actually for like a number
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of different positions at the house conti and his team got hundreds of applications and actually had to turn
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most of them away holy [ __ ] quote when all available job interview slots were filled within hours holy [ __ ] look at
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Massachusetts being spooky as [ __ ] hell yeah they were like we are not gonna buy
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this house but we will work but I will work there [ __ ] yeah now these days customers can book everything from tours
01:11:14
and events to overnight or Extended Stays at the fully restored mansion but the owners are quick to remind any
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interesting interested parties of one crucial fact quote this attraction is not for the faint of heart
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[Laughter] holy [ __ ] what a tail it's a fun tale and um thank you to Dave for looking
01:11:40
into it for me regardless of what actually happened there some people died in that house and some [ __ ] [ __ ] went
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down there [ __ ] [ __ ] went down I mean for all those paranormal investigators
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to be like yeah [ __ ] that yeah like like I trust my Massachusetts paranormal investigators okay so if they're saying
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[ __ ] that [ __ ] then [ __ ] that [ __ ] [ __ ] that [ __ ] but I'm gonna go there I can't
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wait we should see if they're still awake we absolutely should and I actually go look into that now so we
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hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it but it's worthy you don't get your ass on the waitlist to the Escape
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here's Mansion because what the [ __ ] are you doing if you're not going to the ski
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Pierce Mansion I'll see you there love you bye get with it [Music] laughs [Music]