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hey you weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is morbid [Music] can I call you out for a second uh yeah
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in like a good way it's like a silly thing anytime you do the hey weirdos you outstretch your arms I do every single
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time when you hit record and you go hey weirdos and it's like you're like lifting them all you're cut you're kind
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of like a a cult leader oh on theme today you are we're talking about a cult today but that is I didn't
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know that I just watched you do it and I've like thought about it before but not said anything and I just had to say
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it I kind of love that I do that and I didn't even realize yeah you're you're a cult leader I'm a cult leader and I had
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no idea look at that that's what that is funny um so what's everybody watching on TV
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anybody watching good TV out there oh anybody are you yes okay actually I was watching um The Real Housewives of
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Beverly Hills and okay I love the housewives and I know I know the recipe you get a super [ __ ] hyped for an
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episode and then all the goddamn all the GD drama happens in the last five minutes and they're like wait for next
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week I hate that so they've been really hyping up this um [ __ ] Aspen episode and I was so excited I'm watching it
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last night all the end all at the end and now I'm dying to know what happens and I just
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want to say team Sutton oh I just want to say that I'm I'm a Beverly Hills like I've gone in and out yeah you haven't I
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haven't been in but I know Sutton yeah and I'm I'm interested to see why your team's I feel like Sutton is one of my
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Souls honestly Sutton is getting like bullied this season to the point where it's actually hard to watch that happens
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a lot on these shows and it's funny because when you watch it like at a certain point I think we've
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all kind of maybe it's like the internet or something we've all kind of reached a
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point where we're like oh yeah that's not cool well you know all of a sudden you're just like oh [ __ ] like what I
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thought was fun drama before you like um yeah it's really mean actually there's still like fun drama like of course the
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fun drama but so there's an element yeah and sometimes it just gets tea I love that this is a Housewives podcast yeah
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you know I would [ __ ] love that um but sometimes it just gets taken to a point where you're like too far yeah
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like I don't too far I don't need to watch that like I don't want to watch Sutton crying because somebody's calling
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her a [ __ ] like yes I don't want to watch that sometimes there's parts of reality shows where you're like I feel
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weird that I'm being allowed to watch this yeah like I don't think I should be allowed to watch this moment and I'm
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maybe it's like it comes with age or something that you're just like gaining the same kind of entertainment that I
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gained from watching somebody be upset about something it's just not what I've been doing because a lot of people are
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talking about like I don't want to like say names but there's like some like honestly there's so much drama going on
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on Tick Tock and I know one person is like breaking down on Tick Tock everyone's talking about it and I'm like
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we're not supposed to watch people break down on the internet yeah you're not supposed to watch that for like
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entertainment value yeah it just really is one of those things that like there's no way and I I saw somebody talk
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about it that there's no way the human brain was made yeah it was a guy that was taking a break from Tick Tock yeah
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to just like scroll through and watch somebody like going through cancer treatments and like losing their you
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know their loved one to this horrible disease and like you watch their story and you get so upset and you cry and
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then you scroll five seconds later and you're watching someone do a dance that makes you laugh and then you scroll
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again and it's somebody's dog on their last day of life eating delicious food and you scroll again and it's like yeah
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there's no way our brains are and I know we're like [ __ ] the internet right now
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but like it's getting to a point where it's just like like I love Tick Tock I [ __ ] love my Tick Tock is a very it's
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my for you page is a fun place honestly mine is really all happy it's just making me laugh and like making and
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giving me like thought-provoking things and a lot I don't have a lot of sad oh a
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lot of stranger things I have a lot of Eddie months and on my for you page which is fine with me
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but it's a lot of like I don't get any of the sad stuff I think because I'm like I'm not interested
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button but like it's true that there's just like a lot of uh there's a lot of like I've seen a lot of creators that
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are having like a really hard time right now and I hope everybody's doing okay like one of my favorite creators and I
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know you really love her too Michaela I mean you just have to say Michaela oh yeah on Tick Tock like people are being
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awful to hurt I'm like ha she just seems like that like I don't know her personally but she is a Gemini so like
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but and she's a Boston and she's a Boston girl with like a full-blown accent she's the best but how are you
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being mean to her all she wants to do is bring joy show you how to do your [ __ ] makeup like a boss yeah she's
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just bringing joy and it's just like I don't know it's easy from another position to be like anybody talking [ __ ]
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at somebody like that is clearly a very unhappy person and that's where they get
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their positive little jollies out is by taking someone else into their Darkness with them and then even that makes me
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sad too exactly see that doesn't make me sad because I'm like get the [ __ ] off
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the internet about what you're doing but I'm like it's easy for someone else you
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can say it to someone else it's easy to look in on some other Creator and be like I promise you this is what these
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people are right but when it when it's happening to you it's like that's you can't see that right you can't see
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through it and it's just all-encompassing and when I watched her videos like guys follow her because
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she's [ __ ] amazing and because she does amazing makeup and she's just a God she's a joy she's a life Joy she really
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is that's the thing like I feel like I've been meditating so much lately and I know and I'm [ __ ] crazy and we're
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also gonna get like into meditation in this episode there you go we're just we're teeing up for this episode is what
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we're doing but I feel like I'm just thinking a lot more about like light and like the light inside of people and like
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what people project out into the world and I'm not like I'm not just like saying light I'm just saying like who
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you are and like Karma and all that stuff and I just don't understand why when people see somebody shining so
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[ __ ] brightly you have to take it upon yourself to try to tear that down that and that's the I I think we've all
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like the internet is a scary place and it brings out the worst in people it also brings out the best in people like
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the cone kid that's it so it's like there's some really great things and it's like I wish everybody would just
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lean more that way of like lifting people up yeah and we've all like you know everybody's had moments where
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you've been a dick and of course and it's like but just it's so it's fine just grow right just grow as a person
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when she's because I think you and I are we've been saying it a lot we've been saying it for the last like couple years
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I think on this podcast that we're just like you know what I just decided it's just like not I don't I don't find joy
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in watching you know public breakdowns and [ __ ] it's just not something I like
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to it's like I remember when like Amanda Bynes when that whole thing was happening everybody was watching it and
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we all were nothing included I was gonna say I was gonna say and I look back now
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and I'm like that wasn't funny no like that wasn't funny it's just like I know it was like we it's so but it's weird to
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see the difference when you start growing even if you have that stuff like how different you can feel about a
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situation it's gross and it's like when you I just I want everybody just to like
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that's why I just want to like you know shout out podcasts and like shout like tell you to go listen to these things
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and go read these books because like let's just [ __ ] lift cool people up right and that's all like the thing is
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it feels if you're putting hate out into the world you're getting it back yeah that's why you're miserable that's why
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you're unhappy you got to start speaking good [ __ ] into existence it's true you
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got like you don't compliment somebody because you want something out of it no but like do it because it feels good and
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it does it really does it does it feels a lot everybody talks [ __ ] with their friends we still talk [ __ ] like a Gemini
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of course I'm out here talking [ __ ] we're not sitting there being like don't say anything mean about it no of course
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talk [ __ ] with your friends whatever you want I think it's when it goes public
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and when like it just becomes this bullying thing like when I saw Michaela so upset it just I was like dude yeah
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and I've seen so many creators like that lately like some of them are leaving Tick Tock and stuff and I'm like man and
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that's the other thing I'm like you were gonna sit here all these haters and like
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comment mean [ __ ] on this video but then you're gonna be the first person pissed
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off when that person is like I'm not creating yeah exactly so it's like just remember that there's humans behind
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there like and we're not talking about it like they're not even talking we're not even talking about ourselves I'm
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talking you guys are [ __ ] awesome you guys are honestly we have a great Community like I I talked about like the
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book unboxing the other day and you guys like literally made me have like almost
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Tears like if I was a human I would have had tears in my eyes um I just have to like say this because
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like one one positive positive to another positive positive this bitch's waist was snatched in that video I like
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you look beautiful your face is gorgeous but like that goes without saying and I'm so happy you wrote a book but you're
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way so smashed I was like oh my God look at this girl thank you you're welcome it
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was the jeans it really was it's you I appreciate it it's you wearing the jeans the jeans weren't wearing you you know
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what you look [ __ ] phenomenal and your lashes aren't to die oh my God go to slaylee Taylor the fact that I I
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Kaylie's like you've been shouting me out on the podcast so much lately I'm like I know you're like I love you I
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know it's it's it's do it's women supporting women that's right that's been supporting women that [ __ ] put
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glitter eyelashes in my eyelashes see for a concert that I'm going to everybody's great I love life but you
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guys are seriously [ __ ] awesome and we just like we gotta like give you pats on the back because you make us happy
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yeah and you make us excited to make you content and you guys rule we really that's why I want to see like other
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creators having like so many issues I'm like oh no can I give you some of my my amazing Community like that and that's
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why I wanted to because I'm like you guys are so [ __ ] amazing yeah and you lift us up all the time so I'm like can
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you here you go over that love to like other people too yeah because you guys are just [ __ ] awesome like you were
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so sweet on that unboxing video and like I just want to hug you all like just and
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I don't even like hugs I [ __ ] hate hugs so we're both not Huggers even like I I didn't know what to caption my
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picture the other day and I'd just been thinking lately that I want more tattoos
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so I just made it I need some more tattoos and so many of you guys were like I'm a tattoo artist here like I
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would love to tattoo yeah like that's cool like that's spreading awesome yeah you just you guys are great and I just
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we just say we want to let you know whenever we can how [ __ ] great you are and that we appreciate you right now
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we're love bombing you because we want you to join a cult no I'm just kidding but we are gonna talk about a call and
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we should probably get into it now because that was kind of like my attempt at a Segway so there you go so and you
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know this we just brought it old school for a second with like a 10 minute tangent in the beginning yeah but I
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thought it was important it's just talking about like everybody be everybody be psyched yeah exactly so
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I'll just high five each other and tell each other good job great job you're doing great today you look great you
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look great you're gonna have a great day today and if anybody feels like [ __ ] right now and you're having like a bad
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day you're gonna have a [ __ ] great day you look great you know what I can tell from over here that you smell great
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you do smell very good you are projecting wonderful Vibes you're having a wicked good hair day you're having an
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amazing hair day your face is radiant and you know what you're you're a wonderful human inside and your coffee
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or tea or beverage of choice today is gonna be so good um what was I gonna say I was gonna tell
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you something else about yourself wow wow that just flew right out of me maybe it'll pop in your head randomly in the
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middle of the episode oh wait it's back there it is our principal from high school oh yeah make it a great day or
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not the choice is yours there you go all right so let's get into the story now that we've no revived all over you it's
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all it's a whole bunch of woo so it's really on brand it's really on brand foreign
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[Music] so if I I realized it lately because I've been a little more stressed but if
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I'm really really stressed out I'm filling my face at a rate that is just I can't even talk to you about but ever
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since I've used Noom I kind of started realizing that I was doing that and you know realizing something just gets you
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one step closer to kind of like rectifying that situation and the new weight app has some of the nicest
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coaches on the planet and once I realized this was something I was doing I talked to my coach about it and she
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was like all right so what you're going to do is you're going to sit there and try to figure out am I eating because
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I'm stressed or am I eating because I'm hungry and kind of differentiating between the hunger cues and that's why I
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love the new weight app because there's no judgment involved like they're just people and they're just trying to help
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those habits are going to be so much easier to change the behaviors are going to be so much easier to change and the
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thing is every journey is different so your daily lessons are maybe not going to be the same as mine because they're
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therapy CBT which is literally the therapy that I actively do and then I'm actively doing it on noon because it
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health goals are because again everybody's are going to be different but the flexible non-restrictive program
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that that Noom uses focuses on progress instead of perfection and that's something that I think is so much
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up for your trial today all right well today's story honestly it has like a little bit of everything
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we've got we've got True Crime we've got murder acquittal also we've got yoga of
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course and astrology oh wow and most importantly there's Cults of course um I do have to give a little shout out to my
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friend not Kaylee but Kayla uh we were talking a couple weeks ago about how we would have absolutely mistakenly joined
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a cult back in the 70s definitely would and Kayla was like ash like you always say you would have gotten on the bus
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with Charlie Manson unknowingly of course of course and she was like I don't know if that's the cult we would
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have ended up in I think we might have ended up in the source family wow so that's what I'm going to be talking
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about okay so I start looking into this like she's like oh there's this documentary it's literally called The
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Source family I think it's on Amazon for free there's commercials though but um it's okay though I know how you guys
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feel about it it's all right it's okay I'm just kidding but I was like I started looking into this I'm like I
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have to cover this on morbid because I think the last cult that I did personally was the Blackburn cult wow
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and that was one of my favorite episodes you've done oh thank you that was also a
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long time when we discovered [ __ ] Johnny and Tyler from that spooky oh my God yes because they had covered it and
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I listened to their episode after to like I was like oh like maybe did I get everything you know oh and then I
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listened to their episode and I said these boys are great I love them I love them and then she told me she said
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that's spooky you gotta listen to it and I said oh they're on a [ __ ] Network and they're the best am I they love them
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I think we're gonna go do like a collab with them in the next couple of months so check um your eyes out don't check
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your eyes out but yes um and I also then I saw some of you suggest this case Okay so we're with
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all that being said all of the [ __ ] [ __ ] we gotta get into the source family
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cult and it all begins with a man named James Jim Edward Baker yes okay so there
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is really limited information on his early life there's limited information on this case all around but I did some
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newspapers.com action and we love newspapers.com it just helps you like piece the puzzle together it's not an ad
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we just genuinely like this is organically we just [ __ ] love newspapers.com I truly do so I was able
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to find out that Jim was born in Cincinnati Ohio on July 4th 1922. oh with the Roaring 20s all right that's
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what I was literally gonna say so his father left when he was really young and he was raised primarily by his mom Cora
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which really pretty name now from a young age he was super fascinated with health and wellness and he ended up
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growing up in the same neighborhood as Paul Bragg do you know who Paul Brad is that sounds very familiar you're gonna
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realize it because I realized it and I was like I literally have his [ __ ] in my
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cabinets oh you probably don't but it's a little woo oh okay oh that only put like growing up in the same uh
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neighborhood as Paul Bragg only put more of an emphasis on Jim's Fascination because Paul Bragg actually became very
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well known over the years as kind of like an alternative Health Food Advocate okay and he believed he had like these
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wild beliefs for back then that in order to lead a healthy lifestyle which it's gonna sound funny now because these are
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things that I think a lot of people kind of implement into their lives now fasting like I know a lot of people are
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into intermittent fasting he was all about that he was about no meat like avoiding meat and having a regular
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exercise routine yeah which we're not saying any of these things are things you should do or not or not do no I
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literally don't have a regular exercise routine um and I never fast yeah did so do do
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what you want to do and talk to a doctor first so this is also one of the first people to make juicing popular and
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eventually he would go on to have his own brand and it all started with apple cider vinegar for example cider vinegar
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oh okay um he thought that it had like really revitalizing ingredients that would
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promote a healthy gut and had all the these other like health benefits people love an apple cider vinegar moment they
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do I don't know a lot about apple cider vinegar but I do know that it helps with
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my heartburn and then I realized that the soy sauce alternative that I use is actually Bragg's brand oh that's funny
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just sitting in my cabinet this whole it's wild it's called Liquid Aminos but he was also one of the first people to
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open a health food store I think it was opened in 1912. and it primary it was kind of like a like a Whole Foods Trader
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Joe's kind of place but anyway Paul became a really big part of Jim's life and he really became like a father
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figure because remember his father just up and left so they would go hiking together all the
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time and they'd you know Paul was talking to Jim about this like Alternative Health lifestyle and Jim was
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already interested so I think that kind of planted the seed early on yeah and I think it's where a lot of Jim Baker's
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Foundation came from and he would later take his conversations with Paul Bragg and other people and different things he
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learned through his own studies of Health and Wellness to open his own health food stores and restaurants
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but he had a few things to do before he got there so when he was 12 years old he was
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apparently named America's strongest boy oh just casual that's a thing I don't know what the wall is anymore I don't
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know if you can like sign your boy up for that but massage your boy out sign your boys up for the America's strongest
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boy contest so it's the age range there great question yes I didn't look too much into it because I was just totally
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fine wow cool yeah I'm good knowing just that amount of information I'm glad uh he he took that though he took that
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title and ran with it hell yeah because as he was growing up he was like really active he took archery lessons he played
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different kinds of sports but the main thing that really spoke to Jim was Judo yeah you know yeah of course
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um it's unclear where exactly his mother worked I really tried to figure out where she was working and I couldn't but
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she was said to have worked with an inmate so I'm assuming like some kind of like prison system
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um and this inmate was a judo Master before he became incarcerated and this Trudeau master was the one to teach Jim
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all about it okay and then Jim basically became a judo Master like wow through the teachings of this man it's very
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Karate Kid Larry wax on wax off oh my God I wanted to write that and then I was like is that too silly no never so
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once he became somewhat of his own Judo Master Jim he either enlisted or he was drafted into the Marines just in time
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for the start of World War II and he was in the front lines like he he saw hand-to-hand combat they said and he was
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said to bring home a silver star for his courageous Behavior after a ship that he
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was on was attacked um I will point out that his name doesn't appear on the list of men who
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did bring home silver stars of the year so the thing about Jim is like he becomes a cult leader spoiler alert
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so he's a tall tale teller he's a tall tale teller and then all over the years like his followers have heard these
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stories and it's like a game of telephones of course so you don't really know what's true and what's not all the
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time that's a requirement for being a cult leader absolutely sorry if you just heard my chair squeak I had to readjust
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but so yeah I didn't see his name on that list but if you do watch the documentary The Source family
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documentary they um flash this newspaper headline and I paused and unpaused a million times so I could read it and
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basically it said that Jim was aboard the ship called the Chicago and it was attacked and he seemed to like fight off
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the enemy and then hit the ship that he was on sunk and he floated in the water for hours I guess waiting to be picked
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up and that was all while he was still in training wow allegedly so he has a time in the war he does some wild crazy
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stuff yeah and then he comes home then he gets married to this woman named Margaret and they have a daughter named
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Peggy and Jim is trying to adjust to family life and he opens up a fitness center
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that he named after himself it was called Baker's gym but that really only lasted a short
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while because a main theme in this story is that Jim was always looking for his purpose like he he never felt like he
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was fulfilling his purpose yeah so he was like I don't know I feel like there's out there there's more out there
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for me so he kind of like um William Desmond tailors it and abandons his wife and child to go find what's out there
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for him so he's a [ __ ] yeah exactly I also love that he did Baker's gym because his name is Jim Baker yeah yeah
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that is fun it's also like would you go to Baker's gym no do they have cookies there probably not I hope so it's like
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when Planet Fitness you stick about the free pizza and I'd be like isn't this kind of counter-intuitive but it's like
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nah fuel up I love people fuel up for your workout I would go for the free pizza all the time and then I feel like
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oh I I'm gonna hop on this machine for four minutes bye yeah there you go you did a workout yeah four minutes is great
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it's more than zero it's more than I'm doing right now so you moved your shoulders that's exercise
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there you go so he ends up so he leaves he abandoned this family his young baby child it's
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fun and he ends up where everybody goes when they're trying to find themselves say it with me yeah
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it worked out we were on the same page we were there as soon as the cow's like whoops she
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saved the whole state I forgot okay that really worked out so he tried acting for a bit obviously of course
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that's what you do when you abandon your family always gotta go for the acting he's screen tested for the role as
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Tarzan but um he didn't make the cut I think this was before he grew out or it was before he grew all of his hair so I
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guess I get it he didn't have a long flowing Mane and have the Mane that's not Tarzan brand no way so he was like
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all right that didn't work out so then he was like you know what I'll do I think I want to become a stunt man yeah
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should we try to stand at that unclear really how that turned out it doesn't seem like too much came of it though and
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um there was still more that Jim felt like he should be doing yeah he didn't know what it was but he was like like
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none of this is right it doesn't feel right so while he's trying to figure out his
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life's purpose he opens up a sandal shop okay that's the obvious next step in your life's journey he was like uh good
00:25:13
with leather like he was like a leather worker so I think it was okay like how he made the sandals sweet and he starts
00:25:18
making sandals for this group called The Nature voice I had never heard of the nature boys had you no they're
00:25:24
apparently faint like like famous like well known oh so uh Jim would like make shoes for them
00:25:30
they also would like hang out on the beach because they lived off the land so the nature boys they wore like white
00:25:35
robes and sandals they only ate fruits and vegetables and they lived off of like very little money okay they lived
00:25:42
like I just said strictly outdoors and all about living off the land so one of the nature boys one of the very first
00:25:48
his name was even abez and he wrote the song Nature Boy that Nat King Cole later
00:25:54
oh okay it's actually like a really beautiful song I love it um just like a little aside about him I
00:26:01
started reading more about him as soon as I got into this one of his main main beliefs was to give love and receive
00:26:07
love is the greatest gift that one could ever get or give in life yeah just ask you and McGregor and Moulin Rouge oh my
00:26:15
god when they play Nature Boy and they and he says that exact thing I haven't seen that movie in so long and now I
00:26:23
want to watch it he says to love and be loved is the greatest thing of all it is
00:26:27
and that's what eban said oh and said it too he did also believe that no human should capitalize the first letter in
00:26:34
their name or the like their last name like no capital letters in your name because God and infinity were the only
00:26:40
two things that were worthy of that much honor I'm glad you explained that because my next question was going to be
00:26:45
like why though yeah it's not worthy of that I mean I'm doing it sorry I'm gonna continue to you should yeah I like
00:26:56
it so all that to say that Jim would really start to think a bit more about his conversations with the nature boys
00:27:02
and then think back to his conversations with Paul and I think the holistic natural way of life really really
00:27:09
started speaking to him because he's getting older now he's like nearing his 30s yeah so by the time he's decided to
00:27:15
act on those beliefs by opening his very own natural food restaurant he had met and married another woman this one by
00:27:21
the way that you said he's getting older now nearing his 30s like any 20 year old
00:27:27
is old like that was wild I'm really sorry you're like he was like 27. I know I don't feel like I feel very old
00:27:39
I'm not but I feel it um I just mean to interrupt you I just that was wild how dare you well I did
00:27:47
insult you a little bit so like I do apologize I do apologize Elder Millennials it's
00:27:53
okay I feel fine about it sir I can't wait to turn 30. turning 30 is great I think you figure a lot out in your 30s I
00:28:00
think that I'm like approaching it a little sooner than like I would because I got you yeah your 30s is definitely
00:28:05
when you're like oh that's how things work okay yeah I'm starting to feel that way yeah but yeah so he he he's old and
00:28:12
he's an old 20 year old he meets another woman he marries her her name is Elaine
00:28:16
beautiful name and um so he does all that and also by the time he opened his restaurant he had um killed a man oh no
00:28:23
you heard that right we went from like a lot of Peace Love Health hippie ideals and then we just went
00:28:30
just straight up murder that came out of nowhere was it murder though Elena or was it self-defense you decide I don't
00:28:37
know I wasn't there well you weren't there but also I'm gonna tell you about it so like maybe you can make an
00:28:42
inference cool all right cool I love the word inference that's a great word so the year was 1955 and uh he's 33. yeah
00:28:49
so 33 year old Jim Baker was living in Topanga Canyon yeah thank you uh he had a neighbor that he was friendly enough
00:28:57
with this guy's name was Edward a Bollinger I believe uh Edward was a mechanic and Edward had a dog named
00:29:04
candy but he I love that I was like yep he did correct but he had run into a bit
00:29:09
of trouble with the law I it seems like he was driving with a suspended license I don't know he was I don't know if
00:29:15
there were like previous charges that basically he had to go to jail he was going to be spending some time in the
00:29:20
big house oh no and because of that he was like I'm gonna be gone but like I can't bring candy with me obviously they
00:29:25
do not let you bring your puppy to jail no so he said hey Jim would you mind watching candy while I'm gone like would
00:29:30
you take her in and Jim's like yeah no problem he takes the dog in Edward heads off to
00:29:35
jail I think it was a short stint because he you know hadn't killed anybody yeah but when he gets back he's
00:29:41
[ __ ] pissed at Jim oh no because he finds out that Jim wasn't letting candy stay inside at night oh no he's like
00:29:48
keeping her tied up outside which I know some people do um you know no judgment known
00:29:53
um but but Edward had judgment yeah it was his dog exactly he was pissed he was like what
00:29:59
the [ __ ] so this big fight ensues and Edwards and ends up dead oh no and the way that Jim later explained it he said
00:30:09
he explained to the San Bernardino County Sun that newspaper what happened he said Edward was quote incensed and
00:30:16
kept screaming at me suddenly he spun around and I caught a glimpse of metal without even thinking I grabbed his arm
00:30:22
in a judo hold and hurled him over a 20-foot embankment what he survived he still had his knife in his hand when he
00:30:30
started to get up again I leaped out him and he and used another Judo hold I meant to disarm him not to kill him
00:30:39
so oh that's what he says happened and when the police arrived on scene they did find Edward's body right next to an
00:30:46
eight-inch hunting knife okay Jim's wife Elaine was there she corroborated the story Jim's story so he ends up getting
00:30:53
off of murder charges and the attack was attributed to self-defense oh my so he has killed one man oh man
00:31:02
um yeah now I found a couple of interesting tidbits in that San Bernardino County Sun article too one of
00:31:09
which was Jim explaining to the interviewer that his father was a Chicago detective who was killed by
00:31:15
gangsters literally any other source I could find about his father said that he just left
00:31:21
when Jim was still a baby so I think I think that was a little FIB it was a little cult leader moment yeah I think
00:31:26
he was just embellishing and then the other tidbit is almost like a little bit of foreshadowing for something later in
00:31:33
the story so I'm just gonna have I'm gonna tell you right now and you can hold on to it you can uh put it in your
00:31:38
back pocket the article mentions that Jim won a World Judo championship in 1948 against opponent wild billzim of
00:31:48
Argentina wow like how could I not tell you that yeah you gotta tell us that he wins the
00:31:53
championship again Wild Bill you win anything against a wild bill or a wild anything for that matter a Wild
00:32:01
Thornberry you burned it yeah but he so he wins that and he says quote however that was my last match I collapsed with
00:32:09
a broken back right after the match oh I was hospitalized for more than six months from the injury it's a very
00:32:15
deadly weapon referring to Judo but now I wish I had never heard of it oh you heard it here first that was certainly
00:32:23
not Jim's last Judo match and it's very interesting that he broke his back at one point in his life that
00:32:29
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00:35:05
behind Jim he decided that he was going to focus on making improvements to his life yeah of course he and his wife
00:35:11
decided together that they were going to open a restaurant and that it was going
00:35:15
to be one of the first of its kind in the California area so their plan was to serve like super organic Whole Foods
00:35:21
very health conscious and they decided that they were going to name the place the aware in cool were they was he going
00:35:28
to invite his old family to come yeah I don't think so no no I think chicken I think Peggy and Margaret
00:35:36
um said decline that invitation yeah I think they were like I'm good we're gonna go eat cheeseburgers together
00:35:40
because you left us and that's comfort food so the original we're in uh opened up in 1957 at 8 8 28 Sunset Boulevard
00:35:50
and there were like quotes painted on the wall walls that said things like food should be selected with confidence
00:35:57
eaten with pleasure and digested with ease yeah like so motivational and from the start actually the awaren was a huge
00:36:05
success a lot of celebrities were going there to order carrot juice hoping that it would restore their youth or
00:36:10
something for sure and there's a misconception that the awaren only served vegetarian food they didn't they
00:36:16
served meat um there were dishes like burgers beef stroganoff things like that so they had
00:36:21
a little bit of everything but it was a health-conscious way of doing it okay in
00:36:24
their opinion uh so with the aware end becoming so popular so quickly and with the business bringing in a really good
00:36:30
amount of money the baker said you know what let's open a similar restaurant down the street a little bit and they
00:36:36
open up this restaurant and it was called the old world I like their names I do like yeah there ended up being
00:36:42
another one called The Discovery in like they're just like fun they're pretty good at like those like adventury yeah
00:36:48
yeah exactly so this restaurant the old world had pretty much all the same values that that the aware in had just
00:36:54
with like a slightly different menu and it was a little farther down Sunset Boulevard all was well and fine business
00:37:00
was booming The Bakers even had a couple kids by now I think they had two but Jim
00:37:05
still wasn't satisfied yeah he can't get no satisfied no he can't now it appears
00:37:13
during this time he had at least two Affairs on his wife the first that we're going to talk about uh actually ended up
00:37:20
with Jim killing another man yeah so one of the actresses that frequented his restaurants and hung out
00:37:27
with the beat on the beach with him from time to time was Jean Ingram okay uh she's best known for movies throughout
00:37:33
the early 60s I don't know if any of these sound familiar to you or anybody listening uh she was in three came to
00:37:39
kill in 1960 Burke's law in 1963 and Sergeant deadhead in 1965. oh that sounds familiar the last one sounded
00:37:48
familiar to me as well but back to 1963 for a second because that is when Jim actually killed jeans estranged husband
00:37:56
over his restaurant the awaren wow yeah wonderful huh okay so from the sounds of
00:38:03
the setup there was an apartment above the restaurant and on January 29 1963 Jean's husband Robert showed up while
00:38:11
Jim was at his apartment and Robert demands that Jim shows him where Gene is hiding he's like I know she's in here I
00:38:18
know what's going on between the two of you you have fought like let me know let
00:38:22
me not tell you the whole thing right away Gene honestly very well could have been coming and going to that apartment
00:38:27
and I don't doubt that Robert probably did see her Venture into there at some point but on that particular day she was
00:38:33
not there oh so they had actually been together Jim and Jean the day before and Robert ran into them and allegedly
00:38:42
the day before he had threatened to kill Jim when he saw him next he said the next time I see you shit's going down
00:38:48
yeah he said I know Gene's messing around on me I know you're the the guy and I'm literally gonna kill you he said
00:38:55
one of these days when you least expect it I'm gonna put a bullet through you oh
00:38:59
boy According to Jim this is messy it's so messy so the next day when Jim told Robert that Gene was not hiding anywhere
00:39:06
in his apartment Robert did not believe him so Robert pulls out a gun and he says you have five seconds to produce
00:39:12
her or I'm gonna make good on my promise from yesterday and According to Jim that is when he
00:39:18
personally lost it he would later tell reporters and the police that he had a horrible temper and that as soon as
00:39:25
Robert pulled out the gun he quote knew he was going to kill him one way or the other
00:39:31
okay well that's pretty damning that's called malice the fourth one yeah it certainly is so he later elaborated on
00:39:38
the on the temper thing saying I have a horrible temper and it doesn't come up very often but when it does I just go
00:39:44
berserk oh no like that's not good you just talk to someone about maybe we should look at that self-defense thing a
00:39:50
little harder yeah yeah probably am like you literally hurled a man over a 20-foot embankment was that the berserk
00:39:56
you were referencing yeah I would say so yeah self-defense huh so when he later recalled the events uh he said that
00:40:02
Robert flashed the gun got him after Robert Flash the gun excuse me Jim got him in some kind of Judah hold of course
00:40:08
the Judo holds he loves a good Judah hold and the two of them ended up on the ground at one point and started
00:40:15
wrestling now when Jim had the upper hand like when Robert was below him Jim said that he used two Judo chops to
00:40:22
Robert's neck as a way to disarm him um I guess that I've never Wrestled a gun out of anybody's hands before but
00:40:29
like why wouldn't you Judo chop his arm versus anything else yeah like if you Judo chop his arm my thought is like his
00:40:35
hand will kind of raise and like the gun will feel the least like hurt and he might loosen his grip right like I don't
00:40:40
know why you need to Judo chop his throat but you know I wasn't there and I don't know how to Judo chop anything me
00:40:45
neither so yeah once Jim got the gun he got the gun after he Judo chopped him in
00:40:50
the throat and he shot Robert in the head geez he would first say that he shot from about three feet away he said he
00:40:59
was like further across the room um the coroner said no no I disagree sir it was more like three inches away oh
00:41:08
close range that is a big difference no so that's what the coroner said and then
00:41:12
the coroner also said he couldn't determine what had actually killed Robert it could have been the gunshot
00:41:18
wound to the head but it also could have been the fact that when Jim Judo chopped
00:41:23
Robert to the throat he crushed his windpipe oh my God oh I have to take a deep breath just
00:41:30
saying I would go out on a limb and say that was probably going to be the cause of death if the gunshot won't didn't
00:41:36
happen that's the thing exactly damn crushed his wind and it's like that's not disarming someone no that's killing
00:41:45
murdering someone yeah and here's the thing Jim tries to say that this is self-defense no which maybe it started
00:41:54
off though but then you literally just told us as soon as things started you knew you were gonna kill him one way or
00:42:01
yeah right it's not I knew I was gonna incapacitate him or I knew I was going to disarm him right no you said you
00:42:09
wanted to kill him exactly come on it doesn't make any sense to me come on Jim so his trial begins pretty quickly
00:42:14
um interestingly enough I don't know how often this happens I thought that juries
00:42:18
had to be like closer to even between men and women his uh jury was made up of 11 11 women and one man oh wow and it's
00:42:25
crazy yeah isn't that kind of crazy just like an interesting fun fact um so he explains to this jury that his
00:42:32
relationship with Gene was simply platonic and not the murder of Robert Ingram was in fact you guessed it
00:42:38
self-defense of course he did admit he said Yup Gene and I actually did kiss on one occasion
00:42:45
um which just so happened to be the one time where Robert caught us oh yeah that's so coincidental crazy and he said
00:42:52
that's when Robert's jealous Obsession began I would argue that like many people
00:42:57
might become jealous and obsessed with you if you kiss their wives yeah I don't think you should do that yeah I don't
00:43:02
think you should do that no no um but he did tell the jury that Gene was not the
00:43:07
type of girl to enter a love affair so callously oh he said she's not that kind of gal no and Jean was actually called
00:43:14
to testify for the defense and she told them that she and Robert had actually been separated for the last two years
00:43:20
and that at the beginning of that separation or shortly into it they had made the agreement to function as though
00:43:27
they were divorced oh but I'm like well that's you saying that yeah I don't know
00:43:32
he's not here to say whether or not that's the case exactly and he's she according to her Rob Robert didn't take
00:43:39
that separation lightly which doesn't sound like it how could you you know you're that's sad that's a bummer so she
00:43:45
said though that he not only threatened to kill Jim but also he had threatened to kill her on many occasions and any
00:43:52
man that she ever went on to date oh she echoed just that's very possessive she echoed Jim's
00:43:59
same explanation of their relationship she said they were not romantically involved and that their relationship
00:44:04
Elena was more of a spiritual attraction she said there are conversations consisted of philosophy religion nature
00:44:14
yeah we just love to talk about the world man oh for sure that's what I saw honestly I feel like that's like my
00:44:21
Essence but I was gonna say you you love this I do yeah so moving on though Jim's
00:44:26
wife actually stuck by him throughout the trial and also believed that there was like nothing going on between him
00:44:32
and Gene okay and mind you they still have children at this point so this poor woman had to go through a trial that was
00:44:38
basically like is this guy having an affair is that why he murdered this actress's [ __ ] wife and oh they did
00:44:43
smooch once and he's going to admit it in court and you have to sit there and hear it this is bad like that's Bad News
00:44:49
Bears that really sucks so like I give her a lot of credit for sticking by him for sure so on July 3rd 1960 three just
00:44:56
one day before Jim's 41st birthday he was sentenced to uh I don't know why I just thought that I said sentenced wrong
00:45:04
but you did not he was sentenced to spend one to ten years in prison after he was found guilty of voluntary
00:45:11
manslaughter damn it's only one to ten oh just wait and you know I really don't think his comment about making up his
00:45:19
mind that he was going to kill Robert one way or the other didn't you know I don't think it helped the stuff I don't
00:45:24
think that helped at all now even still his lawyer Maurice Harwick immediately filed an appeal saying that Jim hadn't
00:45:31
received a fair trial I don't know on what grounds he was trying to say that he didn't because I just saw this in
00:45:37
newspapers.com that he was like I'm filing an appeal yeah they always try but the honorable Kurtz Kaufman what a
00:45:43
[ __ ] name Kurtz Kaufman Kurtz Kaufman and it's Kurtz with a Z episode oh yeah that's how I saw it in my head better be
00:45:50
he disagreed he was like I don't think so and like your appeal can go [ __ ] itself bye so Jim gets LED away to go to
00:45:59
prison and his wife is standing there crying and she's able to give him a kiss before they take him away and she yells
00:46:05
after him like if you need me to do anything you just call me which is so sad I felt really bad for her I do too
00:46:11
now ultimately Jim did not end up spending that much time in jail because he did appeal his sentence again and
00:46:19
this time he won I don't know on what grounds he appealed in I couldn't figure it out
00:46:24
um but he ended up only spending its sources vary on how long he spend in jail from or how long he spent in jail
00:46:29
excuse me from one to five months oh okay but a matter of literally nothing it's a sneeze it's essentially a matter
00:46:37
of days really when you look at it so Jim stayed quiet for a bit after he got out of prison but then right around 1965
00:46:43
so about three uh two yep three no I don't know a couple years after he got out of jail is kind of right when like
00:46:51
the hippie movement was starting to become a thing like it was really starting to become more mainstream yeah
00:46:57
and he meets this young hippie chick named Dora he's 43 when they meet and she's 19.
00:47:04
um it's legal but Jim you're supposed to be staying out of trouble I don't know if hooking up with a 19 year old is the
00:47:09
best bet for you yeah I'm just gonna stay over here you have a wife and children yep there's that you probably
00:47:15
shouldn't be hanging out with 19 year olds can you imagine if your 43 year old old husband came home one day I was like
00:47:20
I'm not that's not 19 year old hippie I I didn't even say John like I'm just like imagine another alternate yeah
00:47:26
another alternate man I could not she's also from France so she's like cool I'd be like who's this young French girl
00:47:33
that you're hanging out with and I'm gonna stay quiet over here about what I do oh I know
00:47:38
castration I'm just I'm totally kidding so Dora was from France like I said she was fully immersed in the hippie
00:47:45
lifestyle she was doing loads of acid smoking tons of pot experimenting with other drugs that I don't really think
00:47:51
people realize back then would lead to some serious [ __ ] issues yeah and looking back on the time that he met
00:47:58
Dora Jim said he had plenty of money because the restaurants were still doing well but even though he had all that
00:48:04
success and Fortune he was still absolutely miserable he started drinking really heavily and he said by the time
00:48:10
he met her he was an alcoholic who was bored of everything damn but that all changed when he met her he was like oh
00:48:17
this is exciting like I want to hang out with you now it's unclear whether or not he was
00:48:23
separated from his wife at this point in time I don't think they were separated and I
00:48:28
think this might have been a big Tipping Point in their relationship he's so annoying he's the most annoying because
00:48:34
listen I'm all about finding yourself like I'm I feel like I'm kind of finding myself a little bit right now I'm 26 and
00:48:42
I don't have children that's the thing you stop producing children and getting married if you're not sure of yourself
00:48:47
yeah you're like you already abandoned one family and now you're on your way to abandon another and there's children
00:48:53
like you just said involved in any scenarios like I feel like you're always finding yourself in some way right but
00:48:59
like he's doing in such destructive ways and hurting everybody around him and like pulling his family that he's
00:49:06
creating right into these situations and it's like dude [ __ ] off into the desert
00:49:12
and do it by yourself but stop having kids and stop getting married like this guy's so [ __ ] annoying I just want to
00:49:18
like oh he gets increasingly more annoying as The Story Goes On Your scowl is going to turn into a scalp yeah I'm
00:49:25
just like oh like every time you bring it he just brings this 19 year old and is like yeah you're just you're just so
00:49:30
much fun like right [ __ ] off in your fort like you're happy sir you're having a midlife crisis yeah like please leave
00:49:37
you've also literally just got let out of jail for killing the second man that you've killed in your lifetime I think
00:49:42
we should focus on the business yeah you need to like he's consistently having a
00:49:46
midlife crisis and it's really since he was like in his 20s yeah and I'm over it
00:49:50
now same I'm over it and you know who else is over at his damn wife good so Dora and Jim they start spending a lot
00:49:55
of time together and he said he wanted to know more about these flower children and what they were all about shut up and
00:50:02
he certainly starts finding out rather quickly so he starts remember he's an alcoholic at this point and then he
00:50:08
starts smoking pot with Dora and her friends and then he makes his way to acid and then eventually he tries and
00:50:15
gets really really hooked on the speed and back then this is like even a different kind of speed because back
00:50:23
then I'm sure you've heard of it there was a different form of speed speed excuse me that was known on the street
00:50:28
as black beauties yep instead of just the powder that people would inhale nasally most of the time black beauties
00:50:35
were a pill taken orally that would give you the same effects or even deeper effects because the two main ingredients
00:50:42
in a Black Beauty pill are amphetamine and dextroamphetamine both of which are scheduled to Controlled Substances
00:50:49
meaning they are both extremely extremely addictive and habit forming so I guess their effect essentially
00:50:56
creates kind of like a buzz hence the name speed but when they're taken long term they can lead to some serious
00:51:03
psychological side effects like depression anxiety aggressive or violent Behavior which Jim already is displaying
00:51:08
yeah and then I bolded these next couple of them unrealistic ideas of power confidence and strength and in some
00:51:20
cases the psychological effects could also be hallucinations and complete psychosis
00:51:26
so this is just like a recipe for a cult leader it's the recipe for a cult leader
00:51:31
unrealistic ideas of power confidence hallucination hallucinations and eventually complete psychosis
00:51:39
like bake for 20 minutes and let cool on the counter like you know that I don't know if you know it but like you people
00:51:45
you know like the opening scene of The Powerpuff Girls where he's like sprinkling in Sugar and Spice and all
00:51:49
that [ __ ] no but that makes sense they were that's what they do when they make
00:51:53
a cauldron of Colts there you go they sprinkle in unrealistic ideas yeah they're [ __ ] hallucinations
00:51:59
of confidence yeah all of it I literally can't so yeah Jim he was really into black beauties and sadly
00:52:07
like I said he became very addicted and then he starts dipping into the restaurant profits to be able to afford
00:52:13
more and more of this and to make up for the lost money this is wild that there's
00:52:19
not any [ __ ] information on this I don't know if it's true I don't know if it's not true he would later say that to
00:52:25
make up for the money he was dipping into from the restaurants that he robbed between two and 11 Banks
00:52:33
between 2 and 11 it was about two it was kind of like 11. like could have been three could have been eight between like
00:52:44
those are 68 and 412 vastly different numbers my dude what what I mean he was on speed so like I I guess I understand
00:52:53
why you can't record the timeline that's wild I'm also like were there a lot of banks being robbed at this yeah because
00:53:00
there was this reported no no but nothing that I could find okay yeah um he was never caught so I don't know if
00:53:07
it's true or not but he sure talked about it a lot and it's one of the first things in that documentary that you'll
00:53:13
hear either way though the investors in the restaurants were like yeah you need to [ __ ] stop doing this because
00:53:19
um we're not making any money because we can't just keep robbing banks about it if that's even what you're doing so
00:53:24
they're like yeah we're gonna cut you out of all of this like you're done good you're done you're done you're done
00:53:29
and they basically pushed him out of the restaurants to save them good they told
00:53:33
they told him to [ __ ] off into the desert they certainly did so Elaine would uh go on to run the awaren for the
00:53:40
next some odd years she and Jim officially divorced in 1969. good for her she said I'm going into the
00:53:47
70s and you're not invited yeah I'm not bringing you into the 70s with me no no no no no way so yeah he's literally
00:53:54
completely like moved on now just abandons that entire family cool you're the worst yeah like even William Desmond
00:54:00
Taylor only abandoned one family that's a joke so that is a joke in case it was not clear hey Drew you've pressed an
00:54:07
incorrect so in the time between meeting Dora and getting divorced Jim dove headfirst into a life that like I've
00:54:15
said he seemed to be curious about since he was younger Dora introduced him into
00:54:19
the world of yoga and it seems like at some point he kind of got off the hard [ __ ] I'm not sure he definitely still
00:54:25
smoked weed I'm sure he did some acid about it so like I don't know he was doing a little bit better but again he
00:54:31
abandoned another family so how good is he really doing but again he's really getting into the study of different
00:54:37
religions uh-oh you see where we're headed it's like normal people when you want to study that stuff like sure yeah
00:54:45
this guy we're on a path we are on a freaking path and he's getting more and more into
00:54:51
like mysticism like did I say that right yeah good good and he gets the itch he's
00:54:57
like you know what I've been cut out of all of these restaurants so he gets the itch to open another restaurant and this
00:55:02
is the wildest story and this is reported the same in many different sources so I think this happened oh man
00:55:07
for one day he meets this guy on a hike and he's talking to this guy he's like I
00:55:13
got all these great ideas for this new restaurant I want to open I have a ton of experience as a restaurant owner you
00:55:19
might have heard of me like from my other restaurants and he like left out the part where he got cut out of those
00:55:23
deals yeah um and he said I learned a lot over the years about cooking and about the body
00:55:28
and how it breaks down food and I really want to take that wisdom and open up a new restaurant that's going to
00:55:34
incorporate the values of healthy eating wellness and also the secret teachings of Jesus Christ as revealed through the
00:55:41
essence gospel or the scene gospels of peace okay um it's it's a restaurant yeah like I
00:55:51
love a Cool vibe in a restaurant yeah I love lighting um I love when the walls are a cool
00:55:56
color I don't know if you need to think this deeply into it yeah I mean you're you're gonna have a certain clientele
00:56:03
like you're gonna limit your clientele a little bit by like really only focusing on that but yeah but you
00:56:12
know like that's on you man but go off Jim you have not been killing it so far so this does not Shock me that you are
00:56:17
already narrowing down that customer base through right from the jump [Music] I think a lot of times when you're stuck
00:56:32
in this kind of like Loop of frustration you really start to focus on problems and like everything that's going wrong
00:56:37
instead of what you can do to fix it AKA a solution I've been there before I've been like I really hate this person I
00:56:44
don't want to be around them I'm just I hate it oh my God but like what was I going to do about it I went to therapy
00:56:49
that's what I did it can be tough to train your brain to stay in problem-solving mode when you're faced
00:56:54
with a challenge or multiple challenges in life but when you learn how to find your own Solutions there's really no
00:56:59
better feeling and a therapist can help you become a better Problem Solver making it way easier to accomplish your
00:57:05
goals no matter how big or small those goals are I am a big proponent as you all know I
00:57:10
say this every time I do this ad I'm a big proponent for therapy I think all of us should be in therapy what inspired me
00:57:17
to do therapy is uh quite frankly some childhood trauma and I put it off for a long time I was like I don't need to go
00:57:22
I'm just fine oh my God looking back on who I was back then and who I am now I feel like I'm a much more understanding
00:57:30
person I'm way less stressed than I used to be and honestly I think I approach situations with a little more confidence
00:57:36
and you know tools just tools to cope I have so many of those they're just laying around my house all over the
00:57:42
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better help.com morbid the thing is I'm confused about the whole like secret teachings of Jesus
00:58:15
Christ part of it it because that really I don't think that became a huge part of
00:58:19
the restaurant at all well it was a secret yeah yeah you're right so maybe you didn't hear about it maybe it was
00:58:24
like just secret ingredient yeah it's like the secret teachings you don't know about it I don't I don't need to so so
00:58:30
this guy that he's on the hike with just [ __ ] shooting the [ __ ] his name's Ray
00:58:33
Feldman excuse me he's like I think you're the bee's knees I think you're even the cat's pajamas and you know what
00:58:39
I want to invest in your restaurant sounds like a great opportunity he's like I also want to mix chicken
00:58:43
Bolognese with the secret teachings of Jesus Christ don't we all yes my favorite part of the entire exchange
00:58:52
is that this restaurant literally didn't even exist yet and he's like I want to invest in that he's like take my money
00:58:59
like Wow Let's talk about a startup wow so on I don't know if it happened on the
00:59:03
trailer like when they made their way back down but he just hands this man a 35 000 loan oh he this is a cult leader
00:59:11
right this is he's a cult leader already he just got somebody to hand them 35 000 with just the idea of a restaurant
00:59:20
that that mixes food and religion yeah and like might be ideals yeah like what and
00:59:27
just you know I did the conversion 35 000 back then this is like 1969. today that would be like handing somebody 300
00:59:37
000 wow sure that's a lot that's cult leadership that's the thing he was said to be super super charismatic yeah like
00:59:47
to be obviously Charisma I know I said Bob super weird so with that the source was born all right the worst restaurant
00:59:56
so the source had a very I'm sure you're shocked to hear it hippie feel to it what um unlike the restaurants that he'd
01:00:03
opened with his ex-wife The Source was 100 vegetarian apparently the salads were really to die for I did look at the
01:00:10
menu and some of it looks absolutely [ __ ] delicious get out of here they had like a secret sauce too yeah I'm
01:00:15
sure they did I wonder a lot of Secrets up in here like it's so big it's full of
01:00:20
seeds yeah anytime there's too many secrets in a restaurant I don't want to be a part of it like [ __ ] get this
01:00:25
dude this restaurant like he's really good at opening a restaurant I don't know what it like he knows he knows what
01:00:31
makes people tick and it started getting a very notable clientele John Lennon and
01:00:37
Yoko Ono were like obsessed with this place they were frequent flyers makes I'm not shocked at all Goldie Hawn loved
01:00:44
it there Joni Mitchell Marlon Brando Greta gabbo wow all these people are frequenting all right it also was
01:00:52
actually featured in the movie Annie Hall I've never seen that one oh um but Alvey orders at the restaurant
01:00:57
alfalfa sprouts and mashed yeast oh that's weird so the thing is though the celebrities
01:01:04
were not the only people stopping by The Source really ended up being kind of like this hot spot in town for a lot of
01:01:11
like lost younger kids and they're pre and early teens to just hang out okay and Jim was given jobs to the youth the
01:01:19
youths excuse me there's just something about him again like with alcohol eat or
01:01:23
something about him that just felt really comforting to them and by this time he had started dressing
01:01:29
exclusively in like white robes from head to toe you know yeah of course of course he's a
01:01:35
cult leader he's been a co-leader his whole life he very much I've been waiting he was born with a robot and I
01:01:41
was just waiting for it to come out that's the thing a lot of times too he'd wear like kind of like a really long
01:01:46
tunic style top and like loose white pants just you know very cult leader Chic you have to dress the part no but I
01:01:54
the weird thing is like he like you you look like a cult leader sir but I don't think the younger people hanging around
01:01:59
the source really got the impression that this is what he was going to become the what many people say is that he
01:02:06
became like more of a father figure to these kids because they are young and impressionable well and it's good that
01:02:12
he was fathering somebody yeah not his own kid yeah I thought we'll get to that but a lot of these kids I think were
01:02:19
lacking this at home because you have to think this is like the late 60s early 70s I think during that period most dads
01:02:26
weren't super mushy gushy with their kids there was a lot of untreated PTSD going on from the war years lot of
01:02:33
stress because of the general shape of the world at this point and I think it wasn't considered manly to be home and
01:02:38
hanging out with your kids at that time shitty but that's how it kind of was and
01:02:42
this is exactly what you need to start a cult it is people in a vulnerable they're gonna listen they're gonna be
01:02:49
gullible they're going to be looking for love they're going to be looking for attention they're going to be looking
01:02:53
for some kind of comfort it's the perfect Source it is and of course I just want to note that
01:03:00
like I'm generalizing there I'm sure you're a dad from the 70s was [ __ ] awesome I'm sure your dad [ __ ] ruled
01:03:05
in the 70s I mean my grandpa ruled in the 70s it's true so there's that my dad was just like born in the 70s I think so
01:03:11
he was ruling he was ruling but all these pre-teens and teens they start hanging out at the source and Jim is
01:03:17
teaching them all about spiritualism and wellness and he starts teaching yoga classes and the kids are just kind of
01:03:23
not leaving they're getting jobs there and then they're kind of like like moving in sleeping in the apartments
01:03:29
above the restaurant setting up camp outside living in in working at The Source 24 7 with Jim serving as Azadi
01:03:37
wow so around this time again still 1969 Jim meets another young woman and her name is Robin and oh my God she is
01:03:45
absolutely [ __ ] stunning if you see a picture of her like retroactively I want
01:03:50
to be like what the [ __ ] are you doing yeah you have the world at your fingertips get out of here Robin I also
01:03:57
was just thinking when you said the source and you started talking about like pre-teens and everything I was like
01:04:01
what am I thinking of the Boy Meets World episode when John joins the center this sounds exactly like that I think
01:04:07
it's probably basically I was gonna say this it feels like this might be based on it God I need somebody to go through
01:04:14
our episodes and listen how many times we have referenced that one specific episode oh yeah it's an it's iconic I
01:04:21
love that episode I also um off topic I also recently watched the Thanksgiving episode that'll change that's a great
01:04:27
one like the one with like where Sean's family joins Corey's family of course but love the one with the center when Mr
01:04:33
hunter or excuse me well Mr Matthews yes pushes him against the wall in the best
01:04:40
wow and then when I know I was he became a zaddy when Mr Feeney says you can't have Sean and I was like oh
01:04:48
yeah it's it's a lot that's a great episode it is it's a great episode Boys Meets World boys
01:04:55
[Laughter] only Corey singular Boy Meets World honestly it should have been boys though
01:05:03
because it was Corey Shawn and Eric yeah but it's really just it's following Corey yes yes but uh I lost my train it
01:05:09
was just a great show but anyways you're right very very similar to the center so
01:05:13
he meets gorgeous gorgeous Robin and I it's honestly unclear what happens to Dora I don't know if she just kind of
01:05:19
faded off in an acid trip or like what happened but she was gone she got out of here and Jim really sets his eyes on
01:05:25
Robin and he keeps telling her like you gotta come by you gotta take one of my yoga classes because by now again he's
01:05:31
teaching regular night yoga classes at the source once the restaurant's like closed for the day yeah of course so
01:05:37
Robin didn't really seem interested at first and she kept brushing off the invitations and to be fair um Jim really
01:05:44
loves 19 year olds Robin's also 19. Jim needs to go away he needs to go far far away uh she's 19 years old at this point
01:05:52
and she's like why is this like old man trying so hard to take for me to take his yoga class like this is kind of
01:05:57
weird ew get out of there but finally one night she's like you know what let me just go see what this is all about
01:06:03
like I do like the source restaurant I'll like sure I'll take a yoga class like she's into the hippie ideals and
01:06:09
this night was Friday August 8th 1969. a date that might sound familiar to some regarding another cult so Robin blows
01:06:17
off plans with her friend Sharon and heads to the source to see what Jim's yoga classes are all about now she loved
01:06:25
the class she thought it was awesome and the two of them start talking after class and they actually it was like this
01:06:33
sudden like switch like they really start to hit it off again there's just something about Jim people couldn't put
01:06:40
their finger on it but he's got this charm he's got this Charisma he knows how to talk and as she was leaving that
01:06:46
night Robin was like I kind of like I feel like there was like a reason I was supposed to meet Jim and the next
01:06:51
morning that feeling would overwhelm her entire being because the next morning Robin's friend Sharon
01:06:59
that she had canceled plans with that previous night was found murdered in her home wow Sharon Tate
01:07:08
whoa had she gone to Sharon's home that night whoa he would have been killed okay when you said that date that popped
01:07:17
into my head but I wasn't thinking it was going to connect in any way I thought it was going to be like a oh
01:07:22
that happened and it made them like form more into a cult kind of thing like I hadn't wow I I tried to be like she
01:07:30
Bluff plans with her friend Sharon and I could tell I wasn't oh no it was not connecting was not wow so she blew off
01:07:37
plans that night and I didn't realize this in the original I I want to actually redo the Manson episodes I
01:07:43
think I could do them a lot better now yeah that's what we've been doing that with a couple of them just like getting
01:07:47
further into stuff I didn't realize the day that Saturday so you just murdered on a Friday technically a Saturday
01:07:52
because it was like in the early morning hours the next day was supposed to be her baby shower oh I had no idea I
01:07:58
didn't know that either oh that's awful I found out um like when I was researching this part oh that's like
01:08:03
terrible awful but oh so then like she's already thinking I was supposed to meet
01:08:09
Jim and then this happens of course you're gonna line those two events up and be like no I'm I was supposed to
01:08:14
meet him William what a traumatic event that's gonna push you further into looking for meaning somewhere exactly
01:08:20
here's the meeting I was supposed to meet him exactly yeah so everything shifted for Robin in that moment like
01:08:26
you like you you just said losing a friend and coming to terms with the fact that she could have been killed it only
01:08:31
made her lean closer into gym yeah and pretty quickly the two of them started falling in love now Robin later recalled
01:08:37
that she she said I'd never been loved the way that Jim loved me she called him her knight in shining armor she recalled
01:08:44
that he really opened up her mind she said he opened me up to a world that was filled with light and love and
01:08:50
protection and Consciousness okay and from that day forward the two of them became Inseparable and by 1970 they were
01:08:57
married that's what I say about John I was like he just opened me up to a what was it a life I always forget what
01:09:02
detection and Consciousness there it is that's what I said I always forget I always forget what I said I would say
01:09:07
that Drew opened me up to light love protection and Consciousness too actually it sounds great it's beautiful
01:09:11
when it's wonderful yeah and another thing that you should watch the documentary I
01:09:17
don't want to like tell you everything about it but one thing I will mention is um Robin had been really sick in her
01:09:22
childhood she was like a very sickly child and I guess she almost died oh wow and Jim obviously gets her on this like
01:09:28
holistic kind of venture and you know that can sometimes turn things around so she was in like the best health of her
01:09:34
life she felt in that moment so I think that was like another thing that made her lean into him of course no so they
01:09:39
got married and then you know Jim loves religion and Theology and all this stuff
01:09:44
so they start talking about that and meditation and yoga and all of it and around this time Jim really starts
01:09:50
falling in love with the teachings of uh Yogi Bhajan so Yogi had his own following and he taught Kundalini Yoga
01:09:58
okay which was something that Jim would later use in his own teachings Kundalini
01:10:03
I think is just like all about like energy it's like some energy that sits at the base of your spine and the yoga
01:10:09
practice brings it throughout your body I don't know a lot about it that's why you too during Yoga sitting at the base
01:10:14
of your spine It's gotta leave you're not wrong um never mind um but yeah so he he kind of takes that
01:10:23
and brings it into his own teachings later on and actually Robin and Jim went out to meet Yogi as well as many other
01:10:29
prominent spiritual leaders and they finally said to each other after meeting with all these different people
01:10:34
potential cult leaders that they want to start their own religion but they're not
01:10:39
looking at this as like we want to start a cult they're like we want to start our
01:10:43
own beautiful religion yeah I don't know I feel like 100 of the time when you say
01:10:48
that you look at vertical yeah that's just me I I'm gonna say that Jim probably was thinking of it more from a
01:10:57
cult-like perspective I think to Robin she was like a young hippie oh yeah these are like young people that are
01:11:02
being I'm blaming him completely she he was she was abused by him yeah he 100 was looking too formicle absolutely 100
01:11:10
I believe he was the only reason I said that was because I don't think Robin was
01:11:13
no I can definitely get behind that she was just kind of brought in especially in like a traumatic part of her life and
01:11:18
19 years old you're [ __ ] I was a baby wreck you don't know it but you are like
01:11:25
at 19 years old I was making the worst decisions of my life oh like so I was doing things that now I look back on and
01:11:33
I'm like what the [ __ ] were yeah do it like I can see why she followed him into
01:11:37
the dark because like I was following someone into the dark at 19 so I can totally understand that I was a
01:11:43
miserable human at 19. same not not good but him definitely was looking to start
01:11:48
a call when he's like for like Nicole so Robin explained that studying each Religion she and Jim she
01:11:59
said they cherry-picked the best parts of separate religions and they worked them into their own philosophies like
01:12:04
many many equal leaders do exactly to the kids who never left the source Jim became their Earthly spiritual father of
01:12:13
course he did and Robin became known as mother aom I love that yeah Jim uh who later also
01:12:20
became known as father yod or yahuwah said of starting his own religion I realized I had to do it on my own I had
01:12:28
to get my own children because I believed that he was prevailing through me and that's what he wanted me to do I
01:12:35
left never went back Jim you have several children you have I believe three children at least three
01:12:42
that we know of yeah there's probably more what the [ __ ] I had to get my own children yeah you have to get your own
01:12:48
children oh my God [ __ ] off into the sun this guy can get [ __ ] yeah he does ew
01:12:54
you're gonna be so happy no I shouldn't say you're gonna be so happy at the end but like you're gonna be like you're
01:13:00
gonna be like yeah I'll make that sound I'll make sure to do it you should So eventually
01:13:06
140 members of The Source family they become known as the source family yeah move into Jim's home in the Hollywood
01:13:13
Hills I'm not shocked by this this is 140 of them it was a rented home from the Chandler family who were very famous
01:13:20
for owning a ton of newspaper companies and like kind of building and developing
01:13:24
a lot of different areas like the San Fernando Valley and the Hollywood Hills now Harry was the patriarch of that
01:13:31
family but he had died in 1944 and his wife still ran his estate and in 1972 she rented set out to Jim Baker or as we
01:13:39
will now call him father father and he paid a thousand dollars a month which does not sound like a lot if you're
01:13:46
renting a one bedroom somewhere now that is like way more than that but today that thousand dollars would be like
01:13:52
paying seven thousand eighty seven dollars for rent so pretty penny yeah now the home was
01:13:59
massive it was a mansion it had been built in 1914 there were 24 rooms inside there was a guest house outside eight
01:14:07
bedrooms four bathrooms a library a Solarium a huge aquarium so Solarium sounds cool I think all a Solarium is as
01:14:16
a sun room yeah it is yeah it just sounds really cool oh yeah I thought it was somewhere where you looked at the
01:14:21
stars yeah I mean you can because yeah just don't look at the sun yeah don't do that no it also had a huge pool it had a
01:14:28
four-car garage that father used to store beautiful cars uh the main one that he really loved is his baby car was
01:14:36
a white Rolls-Royce wow [ __ ] I'm just putting it out there if your natural holistic only fill my body with
01:14:45
greens and carrot juice and give yourself unto me your Earthly spiritual father who is whipping around a
01:14:51
Rolls-Royce you're in a [ __ ] cult you're in a [ __ ] cult also if you're co-living with 140 members of a
01:15:03
quote-unquote family that you're literally not actually related to in a giant house and all of you co-own all of
01:15:09
your Earthly possessions because you're not supposed to have any of your own but
01:15:11
father can he doesn't subscribe to the co-owning of possessions you are so totally officially occult like I
01:15:18
remember in there was a UFO episode we did where it was like you've been probed you've been culted you are in a cold
01:15:24
you're in a cold that's like it's just the way it is he is making you give up all your possessions but he's whipping
01:15:32
you around in a Rolls Royce yeah and like maybe you think that like you co oh not Rolls-Royce with you whose name's on
01:15:39
the title yeah that's it whose name's on the title that's his roles so the new source family they they didn't yet feel
01:15:45
like this was a cult and they said it was just like a family of like-minded people they had a goal of spreading good
01:15:50
throughout the world and while they were in this first house occult yes well they
01:15:56
were in this first house they started referring to it as the mother house yeah they started talking amongst themselves
01:16:02
while they were spending more and more time at the mother house and this is when they decided that they really
01:16:06
wanted to unite their ties together and they said what better way to become a real family than have the same last name
01:16:14
yeah so they settled on the surname Aquarian because it was the age of Aquarius I was
01:16:20
just gonna say it's the age of Aquarius yes exactly I don't know I tried to look
01:16:26
into like what the age of Aquarius is and um I felt like I was joining her culture I was gonna say it's it's
01:16:32
basically when you know the Manson family happens it's very deep it's very hard to explain it's interesting to look
01:16:39
into but just don't go too far be careful they decided yeah they were going to change their name to Aquarian
01:16:44
and many of them made their their name changes official with the Social Security office like they they made this
01:16:50
official wow and all pretty much all of them changed their own first names to things like orbit electricity Heaven
01:16:59
Harvest Moon and sunflower etc etc I like Harvest Moon I love harvesting that's pretty metal I also love that
01:17:07
song Harvest Moon Aquarian yeah whoa yeah Harvest Moon went through some [ __ ] yeah so father yod set up a list of
01:17:16
Ten Commandments to follow and I got them right here for you also if anybody sets up a list and says these are the
01:17:22
Commandments that you are to follow you're in a cult one obey and live by the teachings of
01:17:28
your Earthly spiritual father because you're an occult number two love your Earthly spiritual father more than
01:17:34
yourself because um this is a cult culty number three harm not one of your body parts either by neglect food drink or
01:17:41
knife that's just that's pretty good A lot for allow each vibration to complete its own cycle without interference
01:17:48
you're an occult I don't even know what that means it's culti number five possess nothing you do not need and
01:17:55
share all you have c-u-l-t colts also I'd be like so who like do I get to deem if I need it or
01:18:03
not because I do be needing my Botox and I do be needing my car and I do be needing a lot of things no you don't
01:18:10
because you're in a culture all you have yeah number six the man and his woman are one let nothing separate them I want
01:18:19
you to listen to that one again number six the man and his woman are one let nothing separate them okay wonderful a
01:18:28
union I love it maybe Jim should subscribe to his own rules I was I was like but well not there but Jim number
01:18:35
seven squander not by creative force and lust but come together only when three vibrations of the physical the mental
01:18:42
and emotional are in harmony with spiritual love you're an occult number eight each morning join your vibration
01:18:48
with the ascending currents of the Universal Life Energy using the keys that your Earthly spiritual father has
01:18:53
taught you because um I don't know if you realize this yeah but like you're you're an occult number nine do Every
01:18:58
Act energetically intelligently truthfully and lovingly that's not humanly possible no number 10 when these
01:19:05
Commandments are mastered leave the house leave the house of your Earthly spiritual father get the [ __ ] out after
01:19:11
this and do the work of your heavenly father oh no okay you're an occult so father also set up a morning routine
01:19:20
that was called spiritual boot camp okay yeah everything seemed like conflicting Notions but not spiritual
01:19:29
let's go I mean I've never done a book well I've done like an exercise boot camp and nothing about it was spiritual
01:19:34
well I I was like actually it's really I haven't done boot camp now everybody in
01:19:41
the family for the spiritual boot camp would wake up at four in the morning and upon waking they were to take a deep
01:19:46
breath ready and then they were to Exhale the word yahuwah father told them that this was
01:19:54
God's name yahuwah and he was the son of God who went by the same name because he
01:19:59
was like equally as good as God oh to do that oh okay and then they were to either say aloud or in their head just
01:20:06
like whatever feels good to you that day you still have like one or two choices left be still and know I am God
01:20:14
but I but I thought the other guy was gone and I thought that you were the son so like why do I have to wake up and say
01:20:20
that I'm God what I just like like be still I like to wake up and say where's the [ __ ] coffee yeah I like to wake
01:20:29
up and text Elena coffee question mark yep so I just wake up to my youngest being like can I go downstairs no she
01:20:36
says now watch stinky and dirty and then not yet and she's like I want to watch take it dirty yeah and you're like oh
01:20:42
good morning sinking dirty is a great show it is now once they were finished with you know their personal moments of
01:20:48
I am God and yahuwah they were ready for the boot camp of it all so they would all file out into the backyard and they
01:20:55
would get into the pool no matter what the temperature was you were to get into the pool because you know you have to
01:21:02
rid your body of all sleep and negativity no I'm out already got bye guys bye once that was finished they had
01:21:10
to do an exercise routine that included pull-ups dips a little Jog and um push-ups on their fingertips
01:21:19
why though like can anybody even do like I was just gonna say is that possible apparently wow the routine was referred
01:21:27
to as star exercise and the whole point was to quote tune yourself into the universal energy currents of the morning
01:21:35
meanwhile the morning universe is like what the [ __ ] are you all doing like the
01:21:39
morning universe is like I'm not doing that and your neighbors are annoyed yeah for me like I love a good coffee I love
01:21:45
a breakfast sandwich and if I'm really feeling one with myself in the universe some morning affirmations there you go
01:21:52
but that's really it so once the star exercises were completed they were to take one six second inhale of uh
01:22:02
marijuana and this practice seconds don't you feel like that's long I I know everyone always yells at me because I
01:22:09
like know nothing about drugs like I'm the worst drug person ever but yeah like I don't that feels like a lot right I
01:22:18
smoke a lot of weed and can you count yeah no yeah I haven't even gone to six yet that's a long inhale as far as I'm
01:22:28
concerned whenever I've talked about like smoking weed on the podcast before people are like you don't even know
01:22:33
anything that has to do with anything so maybe this is a very normal inhale but it feels real long it feels long to me I
01:22:41
also had childhood asthma and I'm a little overweight so like leave me alone but this practice and that the stoner
01:22:47
people will love this I thought this was really funny this practice was referred
01:22:50
to as the sacred breath which like agreed for the last part everybody actually seemed really happy at the mother house
01:22:59
like they were happy to do star exercise they were real stoked about the sacred breath yeah sure I mean people said
01:23:05
though like you wake up and you do that crazy routine and then you take this wild in my opinion inhale of weed there
01:23:12
was one guy in the documentary that was like you don't understand like when you're in that frame of mind and then
01:23:16
you get like high like right after that you feel like you're tripping balls oh I'm sure he was like I felt like I was
01:23:23
on LSD I didn't feel like I was high from like weed because it's like a mixture of just like adrenaline and like
01:23:29
all the dopamine and the all the things yeah and then you're like your body's trying to like chill out from yeah but
01:23:35
it's it can't it's all different things so you just start tripping and then you go right into like morning meditation
01:23:40
and like some crazy [ __ ] and like chanting and like all the wild stuff so it's a lot but everybody seemed happy at
01:23:47
the mother house for the most part but there were some run-ins with the police from time to time because a lot
01:23:53
of underage girls were on that property and a lot of them had fathers and mothers that were like hey I think
01:23:59
they're with the source family and like we're not too cool with them yeah so the police were like yeah you're
01:24:04
gonna be in some serious hot water if this keeps happening Like You Gotta Get You Gotta send these girls home yeah
01:24:09
they you can't you can do what you want but you can't do what you want unless they're 18 with underage children
01:24:14
precisely totally fine guys father has a solution it's not to tell them all that they need
01:24:21
to go home however he just married off all the underage girls to older boys in the community so it's legal because
01:24:28
they're married he is so gross he's [ __ ] [ __ ] fast he's disgusting crisis averted though am I right yeah
01:24:37
totally so when this thing happened a couple of or I don't know how many in general but like some of the family
01:24:42
members were concerned that this might be a catalyst to more power moves in the future this might be a cult so guys I
01:24:49
think that's when people started like kind of realizing but it wasn't a big Awakening I think it was just like some
01:24:55
people left but it was like not a very big amount so those people they were on to something because sure
01:25:01
enough there were more power moves to be made uh what is it what is it why is it
01:25:07
one of the first things that a cult leader does when he starts to realize all the power he has especially over the
01:25:13
women connected to him what does he do he says plural marriage rules of course always plural marriage it's just the
01:25:20
first thing always always get a new playbook honestly honestly try something new father goes to Robin or mother one
01:25:30
day and he says to her you know I'm thinking of taking more wives and she's like hey what about commandment number
01:25:37
six where like the woman in his uh the woman and her husband are one and you should do nothing to come in between
01:25:43
that and he was like yeah yeah I don't care I don't count I'm seriously spiritual of course of course so she
01:25:52
said he's sitting there talking to her about this and her blood is boiling because she's like I didn't sign up for
01:25:58
this like well that's the problem it's like if you guys went into this relationship and you were like we are
01:26:03
going to have multiple whatever it is that you want to do like that's fine you just have to be as long
01:26:10
as you are both consenting to it and are having our adults and yeah everything is
01:26:14
on the up and up on that situation whatever do what you want to do nobody gives [ __ ] I mean I don't and but it's
01:26:21
like when you enter into a marriage and then like years into it you're like oh I
01:26:26
think I'm gonna marry a few more gals it's like no I didn't enter into this and if I if she's not cool with it and
01:26:32
she's not that's not cool man then bye because she's her whole thing she was like those were not the vows we took no
01:26:38
we took those to for each other yeah and so she said he's like sitting there explaining that she's getting pissed and
01:26:45
he's like what do you think and she tells him I think you're a dirty old man on a lust trip that's what I think Robin
01:26:51
she literally said that but she's absolutely crushed and she feels cheated and lied to and she goes through this
01:26:58
like really terrible period where she's just in front of everybody like crumbling you know like it's awful and
01:27:05
she's trying to figure out if she should leave but she's also like I don't know where I'm gonna go how am I going to
01:27:10
explain this to my family can I even divorce him like yeah I love him I love the people here it's awful
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01:29:27
happening there was like another shift and some more people left the family because they were like what about
01:29:32
Commandments yeah like what the [ __ ] dude so and it's like that is the Hallmark of occult the Hallmark the
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Hallmark is like suddenly no no we haven't got to the full homework yet that's like that's like the hall and
01:29:44
then the Mark is because this this is the thing I'm so I'm like so hyped that I'm stuttering it would have been one
01:29:50
thing if he was pairing up with women of age oh God and deciding to make them his
01:29:54
second third fourth and 13th wife he's taking on underage girls yeah and one of them in the documentary she
01:30:02
said when she was asked to become his wife she was only just about to turn 17. oh my God you're a 16 year old and this
01:30:09
man's like 50 at this point or like in his late 40s that's not okay no that's not okay nope so people were like yeah
01:30:18
like you're bringing underage girls and marrying them like we're out ew but there were still people that stuck
01:30:23
around of course so and then father he starts taking his wives out he parades them around town they're dressed in any
01:30:30
picture you see of them they're all dressed like very glamorous hippies like it was very Hollywood yeah and they're
01:30:36
just out spreading the good word you know but really things were not going so well at the mother house as we couldn't
01:30:42
very much tell now and also because this was the time that all the Manson family trials were going
01:30:48
on and obviously we know how public that was and how [ __ ] crazy it got yeah so
01:30:53
the public gets very very nervous about cult activity in general and most of the
01:30:58
neighbors close by to the source family mother house were like yeah I don't really want 140 cult members living So
01:31:04
Close by because like I do feel like I might get murdered about that yeah so they start calling the landlord of the
01:31:09
home and urging her to get them out of there so when the lease is up at the mother house father was told that the
01:31:15
property was actually being sold and they were not going to be able to renew the lease like you gotta get out of here
01:31:20
yeah I also wonder if she said anything to him like I also don't remember you adding 139 other people's names
01:31:27
talked about but now instead of finding another Mansion to live in because remember the
01:31:33
source Family Restaurant still exists and is doing very well by all accounts like he has money that's so what he's
01:31:38
driving around with [ __ ] Rolls-Royce I'm looking at pictures of this while you're talking isn't it crazy it's wild
01:31:43
so the sword the source family had to move into a much smaller home at this point this home had three bedrooms and
01:31:50
three bathrooms which would have been great for like a small family but not very ideal for the large Source family
01:31:56
they moved into this house in 1973 only three years were spent in the original mother house and that's how much had
01:32:03
changed oh wow so this house was named the father house and I just feel like I don't know if I'm just in a place of
01:32:12
deep and like reflection but isn't it so interesting how it started off with the
01:32:17
mother house and we had some people had this pure idea going into it of how beautiful this was going to be and then
01:32:24
slowly it starts to fade out and they get they can't stay at the mother house and the next place is the father their
01:32:29
house the father house so when you that's the thing and like you think about the first house being named the
01:32:35
mother house you think of who Robin is yeah and it makes sense that things started off beautifully and then we move
01:32:40
on to the father house and let me tell you it was a steady [ __ ] decline once they got into the father house
01:32:47
in the father house the family started doing jam band sessions and father would sing you could call it that
01:32:55
um and the boy the band would I played some of it yeah you did it's a lot you are correct the band would play this
01:33:00
like really far out psychedelic music personally I love the music of it the the singing not so much
01:33:07
um today their records they're recording excuse me actually are like really heavily sought after by like collectors
01:33:13
and they're really hard to come by I guess yeah I like really want one like I just want to have that I just want it I
01:33:19
want it so the the band would started like traveling together and of course father is the front man and they're
01:33:27
going to different high schools and colleges to play their music which is a very pointed exercise I was gonna say of
01:33:33
course you're trying to spread the message to young people to join the family and father he would do these
01:33:37
performances and you know he's singing on stage and then like you know like the singer talks to you in the middle of it
01:33:43
yeah he'd go into these spiels and he'd be like come join us saw the morning meditation find out what the source
01:33:52
family is all about Youth Of America no thank you it was wild no thank you so he's like bringing all these people in
01:34:00
and all in all they actually ended up recording over 65 albums and I don't know if it was the music or perhaps some
01:34:07
drug use that led to what happened next I'm sure it maybe was a combination of the two but around this time father got
01:34:15
really into sex Magic you did hear that correctly Sex Magic blood sugar Sex Magic that's a Red Hot
01:34:23
Chili Peppers album correct there you go uh you had to participate though in the
01:34:27
sex magic ceremonies that were being held no thank you it was not uh what's the thing of all it was not a voluntary
01:34:34
yeah it was mandatory you had to go and the goal like you had like you had to go
01:34:38
because the goal was to bring everybody's Consciousness to a higher level and to quote unquote bond together
01:34:45
on a molecular level no thank you like there's some people that I just don't want to be bonded to molecularly the
01:34:52
whole there's a list of people that I don't want to be bonded to in any way oh yeah of people and I don't want to be
01:34:58
added to molecularly they believed that after these Sex Magic sessions the energy that you created
01:35:05
during the ceremony would lead you to possessing some kind of magic afterward that you could then use in the world to
01:35:11
probably like cultify things even more we could just do spin class together and create a lot of energy it started
01:35:17
morning meditation yeah was it wild morning meditation for sure sure but like just leave it there yeah just gather
01:35:24
yeah Vibe don't make people do Sex Magic if they don't want to yeah if you want to do sex
01:35:30
magic that's great by all means but like don't make underage girls participate no
01:35:34
don't make anyone participate in any kind of sexual magic called abuse yeah and actually it's sexual abuse so people
01:35:40
oh excuse me I skipped a line at this point people really started to believe that father was God he was not the Son
01:35:49
of God anymore he was God himself okay so people had left in the past right like I said this was when there was a
01:35:56
big exit of members from the family because they were like I don't want to do this I don't want to do this
01:36:02
alongside children I'm good like this was not what I signed up for not at all so they left but again still plenty of
01:36:10
people that stuck around those who did stick around did not realize that they were nearing the end
01:36:16
of this journey with Father the end of this Earthly spiritual journey oh boy so he's going out into town like I said
01:36:22
more often in his Rolls-Royce and with a whole slew on both arms of women all around him this just like he's he's
01:36:29
going out into public being like hi I'm a [ __ ] cult leader yeah he's like I have this gaggle of women yeah and the
01:36:34
whispers about the family become louder and the gossip about them is spreading pretty much all around California and
01:36:39
probably Arizona too and there were also still parents looking for their children
01:36:43
who had joined the source family and there were so many other illegal things going on that the city was worried about
01:36:50
yeah it wasn't long before the police came knocking again they were investigating kind of on the low they
01:36:56
were I think they were trying to build a case to prove that this was not okay yeah and they were trying to prove that
01:37:02
the family was harboring runaway juveniles they were violating labor laws they were keeping a place where miners
01:37:08
were sheltered without a license like that's all illegal and eventually Child Services got involved and started their
01:37:15
own investigation because they're having children with his family now and they don't believe in modern medicine
01:37:21
yeah they were also building inspectors that started coming out and ensuring not
01:37:27
like the living conditions were up to code so father sees what's going on here oh yeah
01:37:32
it's it's closing in yeah and for obvious reasons he's not a fan of the sudden interest in his family no and he
01:37:39
starts talking about what all cult leaders talk about when they get desperate say it with me
01:37:44
Armageddon I was gonna say the end of the world so we're close that's the next word the end of times nuclear Wars
01:37:51
between nations it's all coming oh it's all coming it's just all the things that
01:37:55
nightmares are made of and he decides abruptly we're selling the restaurant we gotta get out of here oh no so the
01:38:02
restaurant like I said it was doing incredibly well just to tell you how well it was doing it was bringing in a
01:38:06
reported three hundred thousand dollars a year back then wow I think I forgot to
01:38:11
do the conversion that's okay it's a lot yeah math but he decides to sell the restaurant and he says we're moving to
01:38:17
Hawaii oh yes my birthday I was gonna say I really was born there so they used the money that they got to sell the
01:38:24
source to fund their trip to also buy a large boat essentially it was like a really big
01:38:30
but it was big and they also got um an airplane because the plan was to live off the land in
01:38:38
Kauai and make their living as Fisher people and the airplane was so that they could spot the fish oh yeah I don't know
01:38:46
if like every beginning Fisher people I don't think that's how that's done but okay also they wanted to open a spa okay
01:38:54
yeah obviously yep yep so the only problem is that once they got there uh everyone on the island was like get the
01:39:02
[ __ ] out of here we don't want that they were like do not disrupt our our existence up here at this point there
01:39:09
were already other kind of like cult-like things than people settling on the island that they didn't want there
01:39:15
like um Taylor camp Oh had moved in on that island before and they were like yeah we're done with this like We're Not
01:39:21
Gonna Keep we've had our fill of Cults we don't need anymore yeah we're set they were just not into it and nobody
01:39:27
would hire anybody on the source family at all they weren't able to get jobs and
01:39:33
the locals were especially worried that this manson-like family had just settled
01:39:37
on their eyelids yeah so members of the family they said later on that people started shooting toward the home that
01:39:42
they had set up and police were intimidating them like tailing them wherever they went basically they were
01:39:48
trying to chase them off yeah of course but it's like there's kids in there exactly yeah you gotta think of that so
01:39:54
father was incredibly stressed about this whole thing and he tried to defend the family by stationing men at
01:39:59
different points throughout the camp but there were men that had never shot guns
01:40:03
yeah they're like I don't know how to do this like what are you talking about it
01:40:06
all becomes way too much so one day during morning meditation there was a bowl passed around of
01:40:13
beautiful magic mushrooms and everybody is on shrooms and they decide to go for a nature walk oh no and on this walk
01:40:20
father says to them I gotta tell you something I'm not God I don't have any power
01:40:29
and I don't know what the [ __ ] we're gonna do he told them that their entire belief system that he
01:40:36
has sold them for years is complete [ __ ] while they were all tripping balls on mushrooms but they were like no
01:40:44
you are the Earthly father and he's like nah you gotta listen to me I'm not I don't know what's happening I'll show
01:40:51
you my social security card it does not say God I am not God I'm literally a man
01:40:56
named Jim Jim Baker I'm Jim just gym like not even Jim from the office just gym I'm not Jim Halpert I am Jim just
01:41:06
Jim if your name is Jim sorry that we just like did that no it was a wonderful name the name James I mean come on yeah
01:41:12
so he they're like no yahuwah father you are God absolutely and shortly after that day there was
01:41:22
another regularly scheduled morning meditation this day was August 25th 1975 it had only been about six years of this
01:41:29
cult and father said to the family I feel like going flying today and they said what what he really was
01:41:38
that he wanted to try hang gliding but that was something that he had never done before and all of his wives were
01:41:45
like uh I would prefer if you didn't try to learn how to fly in the state that you're currently in maybe we could take
01:41:50
a couple lessons first yeah and one of the main wives at this point I think she was kind of like the head wife was
01:41:55
makushla and she was wearing black that morning and she said she never wore black she usually always wore white and
01:42:03
when she came down for morning meditation father told her that she was dressed appropriately and she and
01:42:09
there's a recording of this morning meditation it's actually so haunting the documentary hyping up docs hyping it up
01:42:15
hyping it up um and she so after she so he says to her like oh you're dressed so
01:42:19
appropriately and she screams in response and you can hear her scream and she said I don't know why I did that it
01:42:26
was just there's this certain energy in the air and it was like off and my old that was like a release
01:42:32
okay so she was like I don't know something didn't feel right but we had we wanted to do as father said we still
01:42:38
thought he was let the Earthly spiritual father and if he wants to climb up a mountain and hang glide off of it then
01:42:44
so be it yeah now looking back everybody agreed that it was incredibly windy that
01:42:49
day the weather just seemed to be perfect for hang gliding I think you need wind for that but there was still
01:42:54
like this weird energy in the air and as they climbed the mountain they passed this woman who's like on a hike
01:43:00
she's just living her life and father speaks in Latin to her and in English the translation was we who are about to
01:43:07
die today salute you oh so they make it to the top of the mountain and there's this huge gust of
01:43:15
wind just as father gets launched off the side of the cliff but as soon as that wind came it [ __ ]
01:43:22
went oh and he just ended up falling like I don't even know how many like many many many many many many feet
01:43:30
crashed on the ground below oof so everybody makes their way down to him he's still alive he did not die on
01:43:37
impact oh and they're like what can we like what do we do and he just keeps telling them and like there is
01:43:43
recordings of this because I forget her name if you watch the documentary you'll
01:43:47
know it but there was this one woman who was like the journalist of the or not like she she took all the pictures and
01:43:53
like all the videos of everything like there's like a home birth even but just be warned you will see the entire thing
01:43:59
so if you don't want to see that the sexual word but he keeps telling them transmute the
01:44:04
pain transmute the pain transmute the pain like make it like move the shift the energy bring my Kundalini back to
01:44:11
normal yeah so at one point someone says like I think we don't really have another option like we should go to the
01:44:17
hospital yeah because we don't know how to actually transmute plane like no you just fell from the sky sir you also
01:44:24
literally told us that you're not God so like I don't know what I'm supposed to do if you're not God because I'm simply
01:44:30
makushla like yeah I do not know but then so somebody was like I think we should go to the hospital but like I
01:44:36
said hospitals in modern medicine were against their belief system in fact I think one of the reason one of the main
01:44:42
reasons why CPS had shown up was because a member had left in the past because his young son like he was like a toddler
01:44:48
almost died of an ear infection because they were trying to like shine all these
01:44:53
little different colored lights on him and stuff but you need antibiotics yeah an infection will kill you it certainly
01:45:00
just like the way it is they wouldn't get medicine so that his dad was like we're out so they were like no we can't
01:45:06
go to the hospital they decide against the hospital visit and they all carry fell out of the sky straight up fell out
01:45:12
of the sky and they're like no so they all carry father back to the house and he it's unclear Some some sources say he
01:45:20
like survived for like a couple more days others say only hours I saw five days and then I saw nine hours
01:45:27
he ends up dying and some sources say that he had no broken bones no fractures no nothing he just died others say that
01:45:36
he broke his back that day which I'm gonna go ahead and believe those ones yeah his body simply couldn't handle the
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amount of pain he was in and he died and I'm sure and at least in my opinion and
01:45:46
I think you would probably share the same belief he probably had some internal bleeding after falling back far
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and that hard and if he did have something that an infection can happen yeah you don't get it treated yeah
01:45:57
exactly so he he passes away and shortly after father passes there was this really strange phenomenon which this
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happened and it is kind of crazy a new star like a Nova appeared in the sky over Hawaii it's like literally reported
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on I found a newspaper article about it and the members of the family took this as a sign that father in his energy had
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simply shifted into that star you can believe what you want I can tell you what I believe
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a star a star was born in that uh he's an [ __ ] who he's a murderer he's like yeah he's gross he and he did not turn
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into that wonderful star over Hawaii that did not happen yeah I don't really want to believe that uh Jim Baker is
01:46:41
shining over my plan so you don't have to worry about it yeah because he's not no I can tell you it was 100 certainty
01:46:48
I'm here to break the news breaking news nope it was just a star not him a star was not born no or it was
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it wasn't Jim so that happened and that that just like solid like you imagine that happening in your insult and you
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think all this is real so his body was later cremated his body was later cremated and his
01:47:09
ashes were spread along a beach in Hawaii it literally says a beach I'm more hoping the water yeah I hope it's
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not actually do not just like throw that in the sand but like okay but cool now the family went on to stay together for
01:47:22
for about two more years and makushla was like the head of the family for a while but it slowly started to fade
01:47:29
apart yeah and some people actually went on to keep their Aquarian names and lived off the grid like there was people
01:47:34
at the end of the documentary that were like I still fully believe in his teachings I practiced them to this day
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and you know all the power to them as long as you're not involving underage children
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um other people just moved on completely there was one guy that ended up like founding some corporation that made him
01:47:50
a millionaire all right wild but you know that's the source family wow and at the end of it one thing is for sure Jim
01:47:59
Baker was one wild [ __ ] cult lead yeah like call it like you see it that's a cult he was a cult oh yes
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[ __ ] crazy that was a wild ride a wild ride indeed that ended with a star being born isn't that crazy and I think
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I had said it before to put it in your back pocket he had broken his back previously yeah so isn't that kind of
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crazy that that's how he died yeah he was like I was done with Judo and like after that match but then he ends up
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going on and killing a man and he's like with Judo wow maybe that I don't know maybe I don't know you know you believed
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in karma Jim I know that's is that kind of weird is that kind of weird what am I
01:48:41
supposed what sound was I supposed to make ah or something like that people are yelling at you yeah they are and I'm
01:48:48
sorry about it I think it was like I think it was like oh yeah cuckoo nuts bananas wow yeah we hadn't
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done a cult in a while so I figured I'd bring you a gnarly one you know what your friend was 100
01:49:02
um right when she said that you probably would have joined this film yeah it's true I would have left when things got
01:49:10
weird in the beginning like I would have left like probably really early on but you would have been there I do love a
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yummy salad and I do love oh like natural holistic ideals and meditation and stuff like that so you love a hippie
01:49:23
moment I just I do but I also don't want to share my possessions no like that would be 100 I think that would be when
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you dip yeah I'd be like you can get fun yeah this is mine don't touch it it's mine I'm an only child kind of so people
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are like what I know that just threw everybody is she your sister you're an only child
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how sure that's fine we hope you keep listening and we help you keep it don't Cult Don't cult
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