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Hey, weirdos. I'm Alaina. >> I'm Ash. >> And this is Morbid. Morbidito. And guess what? What's up,
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girl? You better keep your eyes peeled on Friday the 13th for so for various reasons. Because it's a spooky
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>> day, one, and two, cuz if you're on our Instagram, which like where are you? If
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you're not on Actually, to be honest, I I understand if you're not on Instagram at all. Well,
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yeah, that is >> not on Instagram, maybe you don't need to go back on >> That is understandable. Um good for you
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for getting off of it. But if you're on our Instagram or want to, we're going to
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be announcing something on Friday the 13th, which is tomorrow when this comes out. Yep. So,
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it's going to be pretty cool, everybody. And if you're not on Instagram, don't worry. We'll be announcing it on the
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pod. >> Too, just not on Friday the 13th because we don't have an episode out that day.
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>> It'll be Monday. Whatever day that is. Jinx. What is it? 13? 16th? Yep. Yep. Monday the 16th, we will
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announce it on the pod. So, you know, you're going to hear it. >> oddy. You're going to hear it, you're
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going to see it, you're going to feel it. You're going to sense it, all the things.
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>> Yeah. So, it's going to be awesome. >> It's going to be [ __ ] awesome. I'm excited for this announcement.
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>> I'm very excited for it as well. Can we put trumpets when we announce it on the
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poddy oddy? Pa pa ra Announcement. Who just put that? >> That's what we'll do. Uh like you said, I won't be doing that.
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Like he's just staring at us like, are you two all right? Has something gone awry?
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>> know. We're kind of silly today. I'm not sure why. Is it What's Is it Friday?
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Oh, we have a It's cuz we have a new a new setup in this room. Well, almost. >> Well, it it's definitely new. We're
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working on it. Everything is everywhere right now, and maybe that's why our energy is so cray-cray. Yeah, we're
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we're moving everything around in the room. >> over there. There's just a stack of bins
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with a bag on top of it and half a couch. I'm like, "Damn, that's precarious as fuck." We're
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just, you know >> have workers insurance? I think we do. >> I don't know. Who knows? Don't let that
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fall on your head. It's going to be It's going to be great. >> All right, are we back to talk about
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shark attacks? We are, and this second one Is it going to be like >> somehow gets even more wild.
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>> Okay. Like There's already been two shark attacks. I'm not sure how you how you outdo that.
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I can definitely outdo it. >> I can outdo it. So >> I believe in you. I'm not saying I
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don't. So, we I said last time that we were going to be moving on to um a creek. Oh, yeah, a creek. A shark is in
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a creek. Isn't a creek a pretty Yeah. shallow body of >> Yeah. Wait, is it the same shark? Yeah.
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No. Yeah. No. I think it is. What even is a creek at the end of the day? >> a shallow body of water.
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>> But does it connect to the ocean? Well, obviously. >> No, it doesn't. It doesn't.
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No, the shark is The shark Ubered real quick into the nearest creek. I worked that out on my own, okay? Get out of
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here. This [ __ ] has been making fun of me today. Um I think you have been making
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fun of me. >> fun of you, too. I have been making fun of you, too. Look at the Look at her trying to round up the
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listeners right now against >> I am not. I am absolutely not. I'm absolutely not. She's been making fun of
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me. She's hurting my feelings. I made fun of you for a tiny minute today. It wasn't that It wasn't that
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much. What was I going to Google? What is a creek? What is a creek? Leave me alone. What is a creek?
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Can I say something? When people say, "Leave me alone," I [ __ ] hate that. Yeah, I mean
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>> like that. >> It's never like a good thing when someone says that. It just has that that energy. Leave me
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alone. No. Um Anyways, I don't really come across people saying that that often. I was going to say, do
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you hear that in your everyday life? >> Yeah, it just says a stream brook or minor tributary of water. Yeah.
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So, which like a minor tributary, that tells you how little it is. Yeah. Like a stream or a brook. An inlet.
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Yeah, this is little. Another a similar word is fjord. A fjord, I love. I love a
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fjord. >> the word fjord. >> I love the Conan song that he sings about fjords. Well, this one is called
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the Matawan Creek Attacks. >> Okay. Uh so, now you know, remember they had totally
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they had kind of like gone into high gear after all those last attacks. They had, you know, all people
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were patrolling. >> Yes. Trying to stay out of the water. Now, with the shark problem seemingly
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under control for a minute, >> at least, visitors to the Jersey Jersey I just said Jersey.
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Jersey Shore flocked to the beaches in record numbers, all eager to get in the water and enjoy the summer. And for
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those who were still not entirely comfortable getting back into the ocean, there were plenty of local rivers and
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creeks. Creeks. >> Where the chances of an encounter with a shark were like non-existent,
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right? Right. Right? Mhm. Yeah. You're fine in a creek, right? >> I thought so. should be.
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>> I've never been in a creek. Now, in Matawan, New Jersey, a small village about 30 miles from Spring Lake, the
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tourism industry was much smaller, and so was their capacity to serve like a lot of people. But, the village was
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happy for the business, and the visitors were happy for the opportunity to finally get into a body of water without
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a fear of a shark attack. >> Right. >> In fact, there are only a handful of sharks that can travel between salt
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water and fresh water, and only one of them, the bull shark, Yes. is large enough and suitably aggressive enough to
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attack and kill a human. >> They're like some of the most aggressive. >> I remember learning about them. On Shark
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Week. >> On Shark Week. Shark. That being said, other sharks, including the great white
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shark, can pass between fresh water and salt water temporarily. Oh. >> But they can't linger very long without
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being significantly harmed. It's not good for them. >> even know that they could temporarily do
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that. >> Yeah, they can do that. But because of this, the bathers and residents in
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Matawan had every reason to believe that they were safe that summer where they were. Mhm. Even now, so many years
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later, it's really not well understood how this shark came to find itself in the waters of Matawan Creek that year.
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>> Because this is literally a great white. Like, what the [ __ ] The most How did it
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even fit in the creek? That's the thing. The most likely theory is that it had been exploring the coast and followed an
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inlet into the creek, like accidentally. >> just said inlet. >> Yeah. But once it got into the 8-ft body
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of water, 8 ft, guys. That's just like a pool. Yeah. It became confused and couldn't
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find its way back out. That's actually really sad. >> It is sad. That's the thing that This is
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sad. That of course people are dying here. It's horrific. >> There's sadness on both sides, but this
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is an animal. It's It doesn't have like like this animal is not killing people because it's like
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"Fuck you. I'm going to eat you because I'm mad." It's desperate, hungry, scared, and like flipping out. Like just
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doesn't know where it is, where it's supposed to go, doesn't have its family, doesn't have anything.
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>> It's crashing I have to say this great white is crashing out. One could say that this great white
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had the most massive crash out. And it's valid. This shark did have a crash out.
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To be clear, it's funny that the [ __ ] to say the shark is having a crash out. It's
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obviously not funny what happened. >> No, I'm not laughing at what happened. >> I think if there's there's neurons
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firing, you guys We have to explain everything we say sometimes. The girlies who get it get it. That's it. The
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girlies who have crashed out I get it. It We I crash out on the weekly. >> We've all been where the shark is
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at one point in our lives. >> That was me earlier this week. Mikey was legit afraid of me. We all were.
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You were Here's something you didn't know. Mikey just ripped off his headphones.
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Can confirm. I don't even know what was wrong with me. I think it was the lunar eclipse.
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She was scary. >> I just I I I think at one point I was like, "I'm going to kill you all."
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>> No, you literally said that at one point. And then we're all just like, "No." You said, "I'm going to I You
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said, "I'm going to kill everybody." And we were like, "Not us though, right?" And you literally go, "I said
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everybody." And we were all like, I can't feel safe here. We've not marked safe.
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>> know. I was I was pissed. So see? Anyways, but I get it. Yeah, I was probably hungry. We've all been there.
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Yeah. That's the thing. Yeah, it's probably Exactly. I've crashed out. I need to be clear that like this [ __ ]
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It's It is when you look at this like obviously the sensational part of it and the horrifying part of it is that like
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people, kids, >> Yeah. like the like human beings were terrorized, traumatized, murder like
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murdered not murdered, killed, eaten, or like harmed in irreparable ways. But also you have to look at it on the
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other side that like this animal, it's really sad what happened. >> Yeah. That like they it was like
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>> It was so turned around. >> Yeah, it just it made me really sad. It does make me really sad.
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>> Because of what I don't think there's malicious intent on this animal's part.
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I think it was literal desperation. And just evolution. That's just what it is. Um so again, he got confused. He
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couldn't find his way And under those circumstances, that shark wouldn't have just been hungry, it
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would have also been really frightened, like really scared, extremely agitated, and all those things together
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makes for a dangerous situation. >> It does. And again, it's not eating. It doesn't have food. Animals have to eat,
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we all do, and it's like that to them, this is just meals arriving. Like that's Right. That's all it is. It's not being
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like, "Wow, a human, I'm going to hurt it." >> Yeah. So, on the morning of July 11th, while
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bathers clogged the beaches of resorts in Asbury Park and Spring Lake, 14-year-old Renny Cartain, a Matawan
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local, opted for, you know, the muddier waters of Matawan Creek. As they had done so many summers before
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that, Renny and two friends ran down to the old swimming hole. They stripped off
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all their clothes, they reached the dock, and they dove into the cloudy waters. They were splashing, stirring up
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the water, doing all the things that you do when you're 14 jumping in a muddy creek. 14?
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Yeah. Uh Oh my [ __ ] I would do that right now. >> Yeah. Renny had barely poked his head up from
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below the water when all of a sudden, the ordinarily cool waters of the creek felt warmer. Huh. There was considerable
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temperature difference. The sensation was not like anything that he had really experienced before, and he couldn't put
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his finger on it, but something was wrong. Yeah. Then the cloudy water suddenly looked crimson
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around him. And suddenly, Renny's nervous system went into overdrive, sending waves of
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burning pain through his torso. Oh my god. >> So, he didn't even feel the initial
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bite. That's what happened. >> crazy. >> And that's what they talk about, that like painless torture, that it's like
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you don't feel that initial bite the way that you think you probably would feel.
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>> the thing that's so fascinating here, like with this these specific episodes,
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is like I said it when I came into work this morning. I couldn't stop thinking about that heartbeat thing from part
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one. How they hear your heartbeat and they're just designed to feel that way. It's also insane that our human bodies
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take such good care of us that when a shark rips through your [ __ ] torso, you are designed not to feel it
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initially. >> shock. Right. Like it's nuts. Even when you break a bone sometimes. Like when I
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broke my pelvis, I don't remember what that felt like. >> Yeah. And like your body was like, "Nah,
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you don't need to feel this." I knew it was bad and like I literally couldn't move.
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>> Mhm. But I didn't It didn't hurt. Yeah. Like it was It's a very weird sensation.
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>> Yeah. It's so That's why like when I when I did autopsies, I remember like every single day when we would do one, I
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was like, "Damn, our bodies are crazy." Like when you see how complex and wild and delicate but also crazy strong these
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systems are, it's you'll never stop thinking about it. Like you really won't. >> Like when I had the when I had my twins,
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I lost like a ton of blood. >> Yep. And I went in like my body was basically just shutting down.
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So my kidneys just shut off. Like they were just like, "Bye." And the doctor was explaining to us that like, "Oh,
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your brain thinks that you're dying." And so it's being like, "Hey, let's conserve energy so that you die slower.
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Like let's let's not So like maybe we can get you help before you die." Like that's
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>> It's just like those kind of things you're just like, "Why does it know that?" Like a perfectly run system. It's
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science, man. >> Truly. Science is so cool. [ __ ] love science. So it was only when he saw
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something large and dark moving in the water beneath him that Renny started putting the pieces together and he swam
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as fast as he could to shore cuz he wasn't being held on to right now. He scrambled out of the water in a panic.
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And once he's out of the water, of course he's like, "What the fuck?" Like he's looking around like, "Are there
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pieces of me missing? Like what's going on?" And that's when he could Renny and the other boys could see the large
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scrapes and cuts across his chest. And blood was streaming down his chest and stomach, but it they were huge like
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lacerations. And despite his panicked state, Rennie explained that something in the water
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had hit him and cut him. But his friends who hadn't seen anything below the surface, they were not sure.
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They were like, "What do you mean something just went by and cut you? Like what?"
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>> To them it looked like he may have brushed up against something that was jagged like a jagged branch or
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something. And his friends were like, "Are you just exaggerating? Did you get a Did you get a cut? Now
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you're like smearing it all over yourself." >> And given what happened the next day,
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it's more than likely that what Rennie experienced was an exploratory bump by a shark. So it just like bumped its teeth
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into him? >> Basically it's something that a shark does to assess the size and threat level
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of potential prey. Uh it it do they don't do it with their mouth. That's an exploratory bite, but a
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bump is just with their skin. But their skin is so rough and abrasive, it can cut or tear human skin.
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>> Wow. >> Which is why he was bleeding so much. I like bumped across him cuz he saw the
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big shape. Like he saw the shark. >> Right. Uh once they determined their friend was
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no longer in danger, the rest of the boys jumped back into the creek. Oh [ __ ] >> And Rennie is being like, "No." Like
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protesting being like, "You got to get back out of the water." In the end, the other boys won out and they stayed in
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the water while Rennie went the [ __ ] home. Yeah. He's like, "Nope." Fortunately, everyone did make it out of
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the creek that day with all of their limbs intact. >> just like lingering in the creek though?
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>> Yes, but in others were not going to be so fortunate in that creek. So the next morning, retired sea captain
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Thomas Cottrell set out for his usual walk along the creek. He had done this every morning for
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years. >> Yeah. And he had heard the story about Rennie's brush with some unknown sea
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creature the day before. And that morning he stopped and he kind of just like lingered on the edge of the creek.
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He's looking at the water and he's like, "I you know, I just wanted to see if anything unusual was in there."
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There was a storm that we had talked about in part one the previous days that had kind of stirred
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up the the sea in the water a little bit. And it was still hazy in there, but then
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he could see what appeared to be a large gray shape moving under the surface. And having been out to sea more times
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than he could count, he was a retired sea captain. He immediately recognized that shape as a shark.
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And he said, "A big one." And he said, "How the [ __ ] is it in the creek?" >> Exactly. By his estimation, he said it
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looked to be about 9 or 10 ft long. Damn. And it was just swimming casually in the creek
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like it belonged in the creek. That's so sad cuz you know it was like, "What the
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[ __ ] am I doing here?" How do I get out of here? Yeah. Now, once the surprise had passed, uh Thomas turned and head
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back towards town walking as fast as he could cuz he wanted to beat the shark into town cuz it was traveling in the
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same direction. Oh damn, they're just like walking and They're just having a walk together. A walk-off. It's a
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walk-off. It's a walk-off. David Bowie showed up and said, "It's a walk-off." Now, unfortunately, when he reached the
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town constable who also served as the town's barber cuz it's 1916, Iconic. the normally very respected Thomas Cottrell
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was quickly dismissed by people and his story about a shark in the creek, which is a crazy story, Yeah, but maybe go
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check. >> was laughed off by all the men who had gathered around town that day. Right.
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After all, everyone knew sharks swim in the open ocean and no one could think of
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any having ever gone into a fresh water of a creek, >> Yeah. much less one that was barely 8 ft
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deep. Despite their dismissal, Cottrell persisted and moved all around the town telling everyone he could warning them
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away from the creek. He was like, "I don't give a [ __ ] if you don't believe me. I'm letting you all know because I
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can't have this on my head. So that afternoon, Bill Stillwell and his sons, 16-year-old Russell and
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11-year-old Lester, were hard at work at the local basket factory, which was one
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of Madawaska's biggest employers. When the factory boss rang the bell signaling that it was the end of the
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shift for the afternoon, Russell and Lester, the two boys, both made a break to the door and they wanted to run right
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to the creek cuz it was an intense summer. It was really hot that time. >> Neither the Now, the boys or their
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father, neither of them had heard, you know, any of the warnings from Thomas that day cuz they were at work.
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>> Mhm. And even if they had, it they might have dismissed him too as like, what the
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[ __ ] >> Right. Now, at the center of town, Lester joined up with a group of other boys and
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they all walked together down Doc Road towards the creek. They all did the same thing. They all
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like, you know, ripped off all their factory uniforms and just jumped into the creek.
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And by the time they had jumped in the creek, Captain Cottrell had already made his way through town and was now heading
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further down the waterway to warn others, which like, Thomas Cottrell Just the fact that like everyone's lolling at
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him, he's like, I'm going to keep spreading my word. >> going. He's like, I don't want people in
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this water. So, with no idea of the danger that was lurking near literal feet from them, the
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boys were wrestling, they're playing in the water, jumping, diving, you know, jumping off that dock at the end of the
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water and the water is murky, remember? >> And they're getting out and keep and repeatedly jumping in, which is churning
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the water up, creating a huge commotion. >> Yeah. And they'd only been in the water
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for like 15 or 20 minutes when one of them, Charlie Van Brunt, saw what he described as, quote, "The biggest,
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blackest fish I had ever seen." I saw a fish, baby. >> And it was swimming swiftly below the
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surface in Lester's direction. >> Oh. Just seconds later, they all heard Lester shriek as the shark grabbed him
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as it burst from beneath the surface. Its teeth and underside, you could see They said they could see its belly
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because it rolled after it got him because sharks will do that. They'll literally like a crocodile almost will
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roll to like trap you almost and to like drown you essentially. Yeah. Now and so he's pulling Lester under.
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Lester resurfaces a second or two later, but the shark still had him by the arm and was whipping its head back and forth
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jerking this like 11-year-old back and forth. The shark went under a second time taking Lester with it and this time
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it's its huge tail. They said it was huge. It whacked one of the other boys in the face.
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And it knocked him several feet back into a like some pylons. Like literally sent him flying.
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Then just as suddenly as it all started, it was over. But Lester was gone. Nowhere to be seen.
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A large bloom of blood on the surface of the water was the only thing left. And they freak the [ __ ] out and all five
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of them scrambled out of the water and they just ran screaming into town for help. None of them even got dressed.
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That's how scared they were. They are literally naked running into town like covered in their friend's blood
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screaming. Can you imagine this? So they're smeared with mud, grass, streaks of blood. They're running into
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town screaming shark to anyone who will listen. And when Rodney Cartan had told his story about being cut by something
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big in the water, most people didn't really believe him. Just like Thomas and when you know, when
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Thomas raved about the shark in the creek, everyone was like, yeah, I don't know about that. But
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this time it was different. This was clearly not a prank. These boys were genuinely terrified, genuinely
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traumatized and screaming about how a shark had not just bit their friend, but had eaten Lester Stillwell. my god. the
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constable gathered up a group of, you know, able-bodied men of the day and they all hurried down to the creek
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hoping they would reach him, maybe find him and help him. But at this point, they figured that the boy had just
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drowned. >> Yeah. Now back in town, all the boys continued telling their story. Though at
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this time, it's weird because so like some of the town was believing of them and obviously ran down to the creek. But
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some people are still like, "Are you sure that's what you saw? Like are you sure he didn't just drown? Like, you
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know, like did something bad happen?" But finally when they reached the business of Stanley Fisher, who is a
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[ __ ] real one. Oh, thank goodness. >> They found an adult who was willing to listen to them.
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>> The fact that it took them a minute is crazy. >> Fisher had grown up the son of a sea
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captain and he had spent more than a little time on the water and >> is brought to you by sea captains.
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>> Sea captains, you know? Uh men of the sea, which my father is, so and my grandfather, so men of the sea. Yeah,
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let's go. >> Hell a lot of time in the water. He knew what sharks were capable of. And operating
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under the assumption that the boys were telling the truth, he followed them. And he he ended up closing his shop for
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the day and changed into a bathing suit to rush down to the creek cuz he was like, "I'm getting I'm getting this
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kid." >> I'm like, "Don't get in that water, brother." So as the most experienced on
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the water, Stanley Fisher took command immediately when he got to the creek. Uh he started assigning each of the men
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tasks to do. Like he was just like, "Let's go, girls." For his part, he climbed into a rowboat with another man
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and after crafting a net out of chicken wire and stones, they started dragging the water for Lester's body.
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>> Oh, wow. By then, many other locals had gathered at the shore and they were all
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calling for Lester. It was like a whole scene. Um after an hour of searching the
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shoreline and dragging the water, the men still didn't find anything. And Fisher suggested the boy's body may have
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sunk to the bottom where the next nets weren't reaching. >> Right. The only way they would know for sure
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was to dive down and look. And like who the Why would you get in the water and do that?
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>> And, you know, obviously it's super muddy, it's super silty in there. So, it's like you're not going to see
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anything. But, having accepted that there was no other way, Stanley Fisher and a few other men left the boats and
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started diving to the bottom of the creek. Just trying to find Lester's body. >> Oh my god.
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>> Which like wow. Just of their own volition, too. >> And they just wanted to bring this boy's
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body out of the water. They didn't want to leave him. Now, for the next half hour or so,
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Stanley Fisher repeatedly dove and resurfaced determined to find Lester's body. As one by one other men gave up
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the search and begged him to abandon it, too. >> Yeah. Finally, in the late afternoon, he
00:23:47
resurfaced and shouted, "I've got it." Wow. >> whole shore like applauded and cheered.
00:23:55
So, intending to help, two men rowed out to where he was while another man, George Berlew, dove into the water and
00:24:02
began swimming towards Stanley. Now, George hadn't made it more than 10 or so feet when he suddenly stopped
00:24:07
swimming. Oh god. >> The water around him started churning and swirling and he was like something
00:24:13
big was moving under the surface. >> Yeah. And it just like stunned him. He just stopped where he was. George then
00:24:20
looked up towards Stanley Fisher just in time to hear him cry out, "He's got me."
00:24:25
He got Oh my god. He's literally >> middle of search and rescue. Yep. And he's got Lester's body.
00:24:33
Yeah. >> Like he's got Lester's body and now he's being >> Which you wonder if the shark was going
00:24:37
to go back to and that's why he ended up going after Fisher. Ding ding ding. Now, though it's hard to see from their
00:24:43
position on the shore, it looked like the shark had grabbed Stanley by the leg and was dragging him back and forth in
00:24:49
the water as he was trying to pull himself out of its mouth. George later said, "I never saw the the
00:24:55
fish, but from the tremendous upheaval of the huge tail that thrashed above the water, it had to be a big one. Yeah.
00:25:02
From the shore, everyone watched in horror as Stanley Fisher fought this large shark, beating it in the head,
00:25:09
kicking it as hard as he could as this great white shark dragged him under at least four more times.
00:25:14
>> Holy [ __ ] >> four times. Just beating the shark. The men in the rowboat made it out to
00:25:19
Stanley just in time to see him get dragged under a fourth time. And the sharks They said this is when they could
00:25:25
also see the shark's white belly again cuz it was rolling trying to pull him deeper.
00:25:31
But remember, it can't even go that deep. Right, cuz it yeah. Yeah. Meanwhile, George was paralyzed with
00:25:36
fear. I mean, this was his friend. Like Stanley's his friend, and he's just standing there staring at him being
00:25:42
mangled by a wild animal. He said later, "I don't know how I ever even got to the shore, but I remember
00:25:48
the awful fear that the shark was right behind me and had slated me for his next
00:25:52
victim." >> Oh. When the men in the boat saw Fisher go down for the fourth time, they assumed
00:25:57
that was it. Yeah. But to everyone's incredible surprise, Stanley managed to free himself from the
00:26:04
shark's jaws, resurfaced a few seconds later, and he was still carrying the remains of
00:26:11
Lester Stillwell under his arm. >> Stanley swam while holding Lester's body towards the shore,
00:26:19
but it was clear to everyone he was clearly like exhausted and mortally wounded. On the shore, several men
00:26:26
grabbed oars and started slapping the water to make as much noise as possible to try to distract the shark.
00:26:32
>> at least they're doing it from like different places. >> They're trying to like pull the shark
00:26:35
towards them >> Right. uh to get him to the shore. He had managed to get within about 10 ft of
00:26:40
the shore when his body was violently yanked back, causing him to cry out. This time,
00:26:47
the shark had grabbed Lester's body, not Stanley's, and had pulled it from Stanley's grasp. And then he just
00:26:56
disappeared with it. Cuz he the shark fully thought like >> Yeah, he was like, "You're coming after
00:27:01
my thing, and that's why I'm fighting you." >> And in an incredible display of courage,
00:27:09
Stanley Fisher did not hesitate to dive back at the shark to try to get Lester's
00:27:16
body out of it out of its mouth. Stanley. Unfortunately, when he resurfaced a few
00:27:21
moments later, Lester's remains were nowhere to be seen. And Stanley had to get back I mean, thankfully, Stanley's
00:27:28
getting onto the shore, but he didn't have Lester's body, which must have been so infuriating. And what happened to
00:27:34
him? So, so much emphasis had been placed on the retrieval of Lester's body, obviously, that no one was
00:27:40
thinking like you. They kind of and they were watching his like incredible battle with the shark.
00:27:45
>> Right. That like initially, no one really thought like, "Oh, wait. We should look at how Stanley is."
00:27:52
>> So, he's fully out of the creek, and the Matawan Journal reported um that there
00:27:56
was a crowd of 200 or 300 people present at the time. And the sight of Mr. Fisher
00:28:01
being brought ashore was sickening, to state it mildly. In fact, it was only when Fisher
00:28:07
attempted to climb up the embankment that he and everyone else saw that half of his thigh was missing.
00:28:13
And when he lifted his leg to inspect it, he quietly said, "Oh my god," before falling back into the water. Oh.
00:28:20
Now, a group of men managed to carry him from the creek to the home of Dr. George
00:28:25
Reynolds. They had tied a rope tightly above the wound to try to slow the bleeding.
00:28:29
>> Smart. Unfortunately, like the doctors on the beaches in Spring Lake and Asbury
00:28:33
Park, though, Reynolds hadn't seen any wound like this before. And it's He said it stretched 18 in from just below his
00:28:41
hip to just above his knee. Oh. The flesh around the edge of the The was ragged. It was shredded. So they had to
00:28:48
stitch that back up. And the femur had been scratched by the teeth of the shark. Like there was a deep gouge in
00:28:55
the femur bone. >> Holy [ __ ] dude. >> Dr. Reynolds did his best to dress it while Fisher still fully conscious
00:29:03
still fully conscious >> sink in. told the man about how he'd seen the shark feeding on Lester's body.
00:29:11
And he had tried to retrieve retrieve the remains and it dropped the boy and grabbed his leg when he tried to do
00:29:16
that. >> Oh, wow. Now as a small town doctor, Reynolds didn't have even a fraction of
00:29:21
the supplies that they would have needed to treat Stanley's wound surgery at this
00:29:25
point. >> the best he could with what he had. And while he worked, he instructed the men
00:29:29
to fashion a stretcher from whatever they could find in the house. If Stanley Fisher was going to make it,
00:29:34
he needed to get to a hospital now. And the closest one was about 10 miles away.
00:29:38
>> Oh, [ __ ] With Fisher's wound packed and wrapped, they carefully put him on a
00:29:42
stretcher and brought him down to the train station where all they could do was sit and wait for the train. Oh my
00:29:49
god. >> Which was scheduled to arrive at 5:06. >> Oh my god. >> If everything went according to plan,
00:29:55
they would make it to the hospital by 7:45. >> you have to think of this. This was
00:29:59
literally before ambulances. >> Uh-huh. When was the first ambulance? >> Yeah, when was the first ambulance?
00:30:06
That's inconceivable. >> had to get on a train. They had to wait for the train. The first civilian ambulance service
00:30:13
started in 1865 in Cincinnati, Ohio. It's essentially what this is. >> But modern equipped ambulances weren't
00:30:21
until the 1960s. >> Damn. >> That's actually crazy to think about. >> Wow. >> here, it's like a seaside town, a little
00:30:31
resort town. It's like And also when I'm saying the first civilian ambulance, that was horse
00:30:37
drawn. >> Yeah. And then they moved to in 1899. So like Not too long. >> Not that far off from where we are. From
00:30:43
where we are. That was the motor uh first motorized ambulance. >> Holy [ __ ] >> 1960s finally like modern ambulance.
00:30:49
That's wild. >> waiting for the train to get Stanley to the hospital. We're not done with this
00:30:55
afternoon. Just so you know. Okay. >> We're not done. Like that craziness that just happened, take a quick little
00:31:02
breath in. We're not done. Okay. While several of the towns people waited with Stanley Fisher at the train station,
00:31:09
word started spreading about these attacks, but not fast enough. Less than a mile down the creek from the
00:31:16
Wyckoff dock where the attacks on Stillwell and Fisher occurred, 12-year-old Joseph Dunn and his
00:31:21
14-year-old brother Michael were swimming in the creek by the brick yards with a friend, Jerry
00:31:27
Hourigan. During the year, they lived in New York City, but that summer they were staying
00:31:32
at the Jersey Shore with their mother in Cliffwood just outside of Matawan. Now, that afternoon was so hot like I'd
00:31:39
said. And they were all eager to get into the creek. None had heard about Renny Cartons encounter with the shark
00:31:46
the day before and they hadn't heard about the attacks that had happened a [ __ ] mile down the creek a half hour
00:31:53
earlier yet. >> Oh my god. >> Because it just hadn't got to them yet. So they were just looking for a place to
00:31:57
cool off. Right. >> Hadn't heard about anything. Now, they raced through town down to the
00:32:03
brick docks where again they jump right into the creek. Uh had they looked up the creek aways, they might have seen a
00:32:10
large dark shape moving slowly in that direction or maybe they would have caught sight of a fin break the surface
00:32:16
of the water maybe giving them some kind of warning. >> Yeah. But you're not looking for it.
00:32:21
They're not going out to the creek expecting a great white shark. >> But again, their minds are just I it's
00:32:27
summer, I'm having fun, I'm cooling off. Later, it would seem strange to everyone
00:32:32
that the boys would have willingly jumped in the water right after a vicious attack less than a mile away,
00:32:37
but Captain Cottrell and the group of small boats still hadn't made it that far down the creek, so there was just no
00:32:42
way for them to know. Yeah. Now, they'd been in the water about a half hour splashing, wrestling, when a man comes
00:32:49
racing towards the shore shouting a warning about sharks and urging them get out of the water.
00:32:55
Now, Jerry and Michael were the first to hear the warning, and they were like, "Fuck that." They swam right to the
00:33:00
ladder, pulled themselves out of the creek. Joseph had gone swimming to the middle of the creek and couldn't hear
00:33:06
what they were shouting. >> Oh. Still, he could tell that something was wrong, so he started swimming
00:33:10
towards the dock. He later recalled So, okay. He later recalled, "I was about 10 ft from shore
00:33:18
and looked down and saw something dark. I did not see him the first time he hit me. Then he turned around and got my
00:33:23
leg." Oh. Now, as Joseph This is a half hour This is about an hour out of what happened down the creek, by
00:33:31
the way. We're already on another one. >> Like, so listen, sharky, you're not hungry anymore. As Joseph desperately
00:33:37
tried to pull himself in the direction of the shore, the shark pulled in the opposite direction determined to drag
00:33:42
him under. Had it not been for the shallowness of the water, it's pretty likely that he would have met the same
00:33:48
fate as Lester. But because of the shallowness, the shark was not able to move quickly and swiftly,
00:33:53
>> Uh and it struggled to turn around. That's how shallow this was. Wow. He said later, "Suddenly, I felt a tug,
00:34:00
like a big pair of scissors pulling at my leg and bringing me under." At that point, Joseph began screaming in terror.
00:34:06
He said, "Not from pain, just terror." But the And he said that honestly, the biggest thing on my mind was I'm going
00:34:12
to be dragged underwater and drown. Yeah. He said, "It seemed the fish was trying
00:34:17
to get my whole leg inside its mouth. I thought he would kill me. I thought he was going to swallow me."
00:34:22
Now, as luck would have it, just as Joseph was struggling with the shark, a local man named Jacob Leferts was
00:34:28
motoring slowly towards them in his boat. Without hesitation, this man dove into
00:34:34
the water fully clothed and started swimming towards the shark and Joseph. >> What? I'm like, who are all these
00:34:40
people? >> Yeah, heroes. >> is wild. From the other direction, Michael Dunn had dove back into the
00:34:45
creek and was swimming towards his brother to help as well. Wow. >> That's a sibling right there.
00:34:50
>> Yeah, it is. >> Like damn. They both reached him around the same time and together began pulling
00:34:55
Joseph and kicking the shark's head. Unfortunately, the shark was determined to hold onto its prey though and its
00:35:01
jaws remained clamped around Joseph's leg. Finally, after a long tug-of-war, the
00:35:07
shark let go enough for Michael and Jacob to get Joseph out of his mouth and to shore, but not before the shark
00:35:14
grabbed a hold of his leg one last time. By then, they were able to stand up in the water.
00:35:20
And the shark was putting itself, honestly, at great risk of drowning at this point. He was literally coming onto
00:35:25
the shore with them. That's how scary this is. Like he's like terrifying. >> By the time By that time, Captain
00:35:30
Cottrell had arrived in his own motorboat and after doing their best to slow the bleeding from Joseph's mangled
00:35:36
leg, they lowered him into the boat and quickly made their way back up the creek
00:35:40
in the direction of the hospital. Now, in the end, luck was on Joseph Dunn's side.
00:35:46
The men managed to get the boy to Saint Peter's University Hospital in New Brunswick and he was rushed into surgery
00:35:51
and the surgeons did manage to save his life, but he had considerable mangling and scarring on his leg and he had a
00:35:58
permanent disability because of it. >> Oh. Now, unfortunately, that same luck was
00:36:04
not on the side of Stanley Fisher. >> No. >> Which breaks my [ __ ] that man. He's a
00:36:08
hero. >> Although the men in Matawan managed to get him onto the train, he bled to death
00:36:13
a short time later on the train. >> a lot of blood loss. >> Long before he was able to get proper
00:36:18
medical care. >> Now, in the span of an afternoon, the shark in Matawan Creek had killed
00:36:25
two people and attacked another. >> gravely injured another all in full view of like hundreds of people.
00:36:32
>> And within like a couple hours. >> Yeah. In the wake of the attacks, two things
00:36:36
happened. First, there were several people around town likely seeking attention and their time in the
00:36:41
spotlight who claimed to have had interactions with the shark. 13-year-old Ernest Dunham, for example,
00:36:47
claimed that he had also jumped into the creek to search for Lester's body when the shark, quote unquote, nipped him.
00:36:52
Yeah, where's your bite, bud? >> Considering that brushing up against the shark had caused severe abrasions on
00:36:58
Riley Cartain's chest, a nip or exploratory bite would have been devastating. You would have seen it.
00:37:05
100%. >> Now, the second and more important outcome was that the entire town and
00:37:09
surrounding areas became consumed in a panic over the, quote unquote, man-eating shark that had invaded the
00:37:16
Jersey Shore and was picking off residents at an alarming rate at this point. In an effort to find the animal and kill
00:37:22
it, hundreds of people descended on Matawan Creek, dragging the water with large nets and using dynamite to kill
00:37:29
whatever was in the creek. That's terrible cuz there's other things there, too. >> It's like
00:37:35
most of the story, you're like, "Wow, the humanity here. People are diving into the water, saving each other, doing
00:37:41
what they can, going all out." And then they do things like throw dynamite in a creek. And I said,
00:37:46
"Wow, we can't we really can't we can't always get the the bat a thousand, you know? We can't."
00:37:51
>> "Damn, don't go swimming in that creek again." >> "Damn." And throughout the night, armed
00:37:56
men patrolled the creek in boats, periodically tossing in sticks of dynamite. Okay.
00:38:02
Like, we could we could just get him out of the creek. >> You don't have to dynamite about it.
00:38:06
Now, at the same time, New Jersey Governor James Fielder put out a statement urging the towns along the
00:38:11
coast to adopt the same safety measures taken in Asbury Park. >> That's the other thing I'm like, "How
00:38:16
about safety measures?" >> Yeah, like maybe do that. >> Like, you go to like the Cape now and
00:38:19
there's a a of signage like, "Don't go in the water. It's shark time. >> Now, the state could not afford to mount
00:38:25
a serious effort to keep the sharks away from the coast, so that would have made
00:38:28
more sense. Fielder's statement also makes the natural assumption that the attacks were
00:38:34
not the actions of a single shark, but simply the behavior of sharks in general.
00:38:38
The governor said, "It is very evident from the widely scattered points at which attacks are being made that the
00:38:44
entire coastline is being frequented by schools of sharks." >> Yeah. In simple terms, as far as the governor
00:38:50
and the public were concerned, it was inconceivable that so much carnage could have been caused by one single shark.
00:38:56
But he was right. >> They were not right. Now, by the following day, the search efforts
00:38:59
started paying off. On the morning of July 14th, two local men were patrolling the banks of the
00:39:05
creek when they saw the remains of Lester Stillwell rise to the surface. >> Oh, it makes me happy that at least he
00:39:10
was found, you know? >> According to the press, {quote} great jagged wounds in the abdomen and breast
00:39:16
showed where the shark's teeth had closed over the 12-year-old boy's body. The recovery of his remains renewed the
00:39:22
efforts of locals to catch the shark, which was by then being described as somewhere between 12 and 15 ft.
00:39:28
Within a few hours, the creek was once again packed with men and men in boats carrying rifles, harpoons, and dynamite.
00:39:36
Despite how unlikely it was for a shark to have made its way into the creek in the first place, the panic in Matawan
00:39:41
was so much that people were starting to see see sharks everywhere. According to the article an article in
00:39:48
the New York Times, there was well-corroborated testimony indicating that there was at least four in the
00:39:53
stream within 2 mi of where it enters Raritan Bay. And to that point, it was generally
00:39:59
understood that sharks couldn't live in fresh water, but the experts had also informed the public that sharks didn't
00:40:04
attack people, so the growing consensus was that the experts were wrong about sharks.
00:40:09
>> Yeah, basically. There's more to learn about sharks. >> Yeah, in fact, in Manhattan, several
00:40:13
people reported seeing two large sharks in the Hudson River. Evidence that the panic had clearly
00:40:18
reached beyond the borders of New Jersey and was stretching out into other places.
00:40:22
>> In reality, the dramatic increase in sightings could be explained. It was a combination
00:40:28
of hysteria, mistaken identity, and fabrication. But at least some of the sightings were
00:40:33
definitely genuine. >> Yeah. And simply the result, and I don't think we think of it like this, the
00:40:38
result of people having gone looking for something that had always been there. >> Yeah.
00:40:43
But they But they just didn't notice it before. >> Nope. The northeastern coast of the
00:40:46
United States, we know this now, has a large and diverse population of sharks that if you were to go looking for it,
00:40:53
it really wouldn't be that difficult to find. You can find sharks around. Especially now.
00:40:58
>> So the fact that people were seeing them in that moment only came as a surprise
00:41:02
because most people had no idea they were there in the first place. >> Mhm. More importantly than their mere
00:41:07
presence were the assumed implications of their discovery, mainly that the sharks possessed an immediate and
00:41:13
extreme danger to humans. Only if you get in the water, though. Right. Like it's one of those things
00:41:19
that I'm like, yeah, sure. Don't go in the water. Right. Like as Jaws says. I mean. Stay out of the
00:41:25
water. Now, the story of the man-eating shark finally came to an end on the evening of July 14th after countless
00:41:32
sharks had been pulled from the waters around the shores of New York and New Jersey.
00:41:36
>> But they were just like Yeah. >> keeping them out? >> Yeah. Oh. Among them was a seven and a
00:41:41
half and a half foot great white caught near Raritan Bay about 5 miles from Matawan by New York taxidermist Michael
00:41:47
Schleisser. According to Schleisser, which is a hard name to say, Michael, he had been dragging his net behind the
00:41:54
boat when he turned and saw, quote, a big bifurcated tail flash out of the water.
00:41:59
Michael attempted to haul the shark on board, but the weight of it and its constant thrashing caused the stern of
00:42:05
the boat to sink and raise the bow into the air. >> Well, maybe you're not supposed to catch
00:42:09
that shark. Yeah, you're not supposed to put this giant shark on your boat, I don't think. Now, by the time he made it
00:42:14
to the rear of the boat, he saw quote the shark rising out of the net and onto the stern snapping its great jaws. With
00:42:21
all the weight on the back of the boat, gravity went to work pulling everything towards the shark, not only putting
00:42:26
Michael in danger of being bitten, but also threatening to sink the entire ship.
00:42:31
In fact, it seemed that Michael to Michael that the shark was actually doing everything it could to reach him
00:42:37
and his sailing partner at the time. I mean, I think it's probably just protecting itself.
00:42:41
>> Yeah, I think so. Thinking quickly, he grabbed one of the now broken oars of the boat and began beating the shark in
00:42:47
the head, striking it on its snout, its gills, and anywhere else he thought could damage it. All while the shark is
00:42:52
continuing to snap its teeth. >> All while the shark is continuing to snap its teeth. Finally, the shark took
00:42:58
one last leap onto the boat trying to grab them both, but missed giving both the opportunity to strike the final
00:43:04
blows and ultimately killing him. The [ __ ] are you doing killing a shark that's in the water?
00:43:09
>> Yeah, just leave it You're not supposed to be in there if they're there. That's
00:43:12
where they live. >> And we don't even know >> somebody walking into your house and
00:43:16
beating you over the head with something. >> just don't go there. >> You live there. You're allowed to be
00:43:20
there. >> Exactly. That's how I feel, man. I really do feel it's not my that the the
00:43:24
water is not my home. >> obviously tragic and like the the shark shouldn't have been in the creek and
00:43:29
like that's awful that that happened, but sometimes those things happen in nature.
00:43:34
>> Well, and it's like when like a bear will attack or something when somebody's
00:43:37
like out in the woods and they're like euthanizing the bear. >> It's not the bear's fault. Yeah, you can
00:43:42
see that like yeah, this [ __ ] happens. Somebody died. Like that's >> tragic. It's tragic, but it's it's hard
00:43:48
to swallow that we're just going to kill a wild thing for acting like a wild thing.
00:43:53
>> like a a wild thing. >> In their own habitat. Habitat. That's the thing. >> me off.
00:43:57
>> In water especially is the thing that I'm like that is theirs, man. That's theirs. I can't I can't sit here by no
00:44:06
means did anyone deserve to lose their life do something that they should have lost
00:44:12
their life. Like you should obvious like honestly, I want everybody to be able to
00:44:16
go swimming in the water, but it's not ours. Right. It's just >> can't like it's
00:44:21
it's a double-edged sword. It really is because obviously you want to keep people safe.
00:44:25
And this was horrific and tragic. But to yank a yank a like go looking for it and yank it onto the boat and beat
00:44:32
the [ __ ] out of it that just doesn't feel right to me. It's supposed to be where it is.
00:44:36
>> But again, we're also in 1916. >> Yeah, we didn't have all that knowledge. We were much less educated. We don't
00:44:41
know how enough about sharks at this time. But really sad. >> But from this point of view, I'm like
00:44:47
you guys are really being [ __ ] >> Yeah, and it's like uh it's just it's all sad. It's the whole thing is sad.
00:44:52
Now after resting and regaining their composure, they managed to push the shark and the net back into the water
00:44:58
righting the boat and allowing them to haul it back to the docks. When asked about this experience, he said it was
00:45:03
quote the hardest fight for life I've ever had. Now by the time and again I should say too, if I'm on a boat and a
00:45:11
shark is trying to get on the boat and eat me, yeah, I'm probably going to beat it with an oar to get it out of my boat.
00:45:17
>> But he was trying to catch the shark so you wouldn't be in that position. >> thing. It's not like it just jumped on
00:45:22
your boat out of nowhere. Sharks don't just jump on boats. >> you're going to defend yourself
00:45:26
obviously. You're not supposed like I'm not telling anyone well accept your fate
00:45:29
and go into >> No, of course not. >> But like the likelihood of the shark just jumping on the boat being like I'm
00:45:34
going to eat you. Like you pulled him onto the boat. >> of food in the in where you are for the
00:45:38
for the shark to eat. >> Now that by the time Michael and his partner had made it back to shore, many
00:45:42
others had returned with various kinds of sharks. >> me so sad. >> All convinced they'd caught the
00:45:47
so-called man-eater. As a result, everyone seemed pretty skeptical that this New York taxidermist
00:45:52
and amateur hunter had caught the shark that was responsible for the deaths of Van Zant, Bruder, Stillwell, and Fisher.
00:45:59
But when they cut the shark open and revealed the contents of its stomach. They discovered, quote, two bones, one
00:46:05
11 inches long and the other a small fragment. >> Really? When they were examined by the
00:46:10
medical examiner, it was determined that, quote, the long bone appears to be the shin bone of a boy. Aw.
00:46:17
By the time they finished the examination, they also discovered roughly 15 pounds of suspicious fleshy
00:46:23
material that was later determined to be human remains. So, this was the shark that had done it.
00:46:29
>> Yeah. After the remains were removed from the shark's stomach and sent to a pathologist, Michael Schleisser, took
00:46:35
the shark's body back to his shop in Harlem, New York, where it was stuffed and mounted.
00:46:40
Now, although they could never say for sure whether his shark was the one shark that was responsible for all the
00:46:47
attacks. >> Right. Uh, there was evidence to support that it was. And, aside from the human remains found
00:46:53
in its stomach, it had been caught roughly in the same area where the attacks had occurred, and it matched the
00:46:58
descriptions of the shark in the attacks. >> And more importantly, after he had caught the shark off of Raritan Bay, the
00:47:05
attacks stopped. Yeah, so. >> And there was no other additional sightings in Matawan Creek.
00:47:10
Now, prior to the 1916 attacks, it was widely believed that, with a few notable exceptions, sharks were pretty shy
00:47:17
creatures that didn't attack humans. Maybe that's why in the wake of the attacks, so many people still refused to
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believe it was a shark at all and insisted, still, >> That it was like sea turtles or orca
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whales, which like Valid. These stories aside, the 1916 attacks prompted experts to reconsider what they
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thought they knew, and they emerged with a new theory about sharks that suggested, while they do generally stay
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not interested in humans as a source of food, like they're not out here trying to eat us.
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>> They're not hunting us. >> They still pose a danger, and even their curiosity can result in harm. Like with
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Rodney. Like even just bumping against you to see what you are, that can still hurt you.
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In the case of the Jersey Shore attacks, John Nichols, a curator of the Museum of
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Natural History, offered what was the most plausible explanation. He said, "It is very certain that they do not
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ordinarily attack bathers, but if one of them got lost his way and got out of the
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Gulf Stream, where he could no longer find the green turtles to which he was accustomed, he would forget about or he
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would forage about and might seek to make man his staple diet." Yeah. Although he may have been wrong about
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some of the specifics, his theory is more or less accurate, at least by standards now. And having been thrown
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off course, this animal would have gone looking for food and not found what it's
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used to eating, so it's turning to mammals, of course. If something's moving in the water, by the time it had
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found itself trapped in Matawan Creek, it was not only hungry, but it was terrified. That's so sad.
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>> would have really explained the extremely aggressive and territorial behavior.
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Add to all of that the facts we now know about shark behavior, including its feeding patterns and the distress
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behaviors it associates with food, and all the attacks in New Jersey suddenly have a very rational
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still terrifying explanation. >> But at least a rational explanation of he was hungry and lost. It make I mean,
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it makes perfect >> a food source. >> Right. Like eating tiny fish is not going to do it for a giant great white
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shark. >> He's hearing the heartbeat, so he knows that it's something that he's >> Yeah. He knows it's a mammal.
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>> He knows like he's experienced at least something similar to. So he's like, "Well, this will work." Oh, but that's a
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really, really terrible case through which it happened. >> of blood. Wow. >> is indeed.
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Yeah, that's that's a Yeah, horrific summer. A horrific summer and a fascinating and very tragic case on all
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ends. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. All right, well, let me find a uh oh A fun fact. >> Oh. Here's a good animal fact for you.
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A group of bunnies is called a fluffle. Yeah. It's called a fluffle. >> Yeah, it is.
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>> A lot of people call them a herd, but parts of northern Canada Canada Parts of
00:50:05
northern Canada call them a fluffle. >> No, they are a fluffle. >> And that's from good housekeeping.
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>> Yeah, they're a fluffy Fluffle forever. >> A fluffle. One thing about Delores is
00:50:14
she bullies bunnies. >> Yeah, I think that's like dogs, right? It is. They're right. We have bunnies
00:50:20
>> live under our porch Yeah, we have bunnies that live under our porch and she will not leave them alone. They just
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love a bunny moment, you know? >> That's a fluffle. They love it. All right, guys. Well, we hope you keep
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listening. And we hope you keep it weird. But not so weird that you like kill a shark. Yeah.
00:50:40
I understand that this was a tragic story, but you don't have to go and kill a shark.
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>> Don't go killing sharks. >> sad. Come on. Keep it so weird that you have a fluffle. Yeah.
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>> Mhm.