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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid this is morbid how are you I'm
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good I'm looking at snack in cheeses snacking cheeses yes I recommend I think they're like oh [ __ ] are they they're
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like the Bella Romano or something like that yeah yeah and they have Mero ones Bel gioso yes not B gioso something like
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that I apologize I am only 1.4% Italian I'm not any% Italian so no apologies for
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me um they have a Mero one that's really good an espresso one which sounds odd but is good to they have a champagne one
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that I tried recently and these are all cheeses by the way really good 10 out of
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10 recommend sponsor us send us cheese sponsor us cheese oh I love cheese yeah I get the little uh little snacking ones
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for the gals and there's an aago one that's just chef's kiss chef's kiss yeah if I'm going to do a a snacking cheese
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at like a baby Bell or I forget what the brand is it starts with an S it's called
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like maybe it's like Supreme bites or like super bites but it's little mini Brie cheeses ooh I could take Brie or
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leave Brie that's upsetting I would never leave Brie in a million years I might leave it if it hurt my feelings it
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could hurt my feelings and I would still stay I would still stay this has been cheese with as I love it I like that we
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both put each other first I was just G to say I like that was sweet of us that was nice of us good job I like that all
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right well I have a case today know how to segue I don't know how to segue cuz this is a really really sad one and it's
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a really confusing one I'm going to go ahead and tell you at the top of this that nobody's really ever convicted for
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one of the deaths that we're going to talk about oh and it's very unclear whether it's simply a death or uh more
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complicatedly a murder wow yes so we're going to be talking about Joan Robinson Hill and John Hill okay but we're going
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to start with Joan So Joan Olive Robinson she was said to be born on February 6th 1931 I say said to be
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because her birth certificate was like lost at some point actually and there's no record of her birth that exists as
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far as anybody knows wow but as far as people do know she was born to Anonymous parents in rural Eagle Lake Texas and a
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month after she was born she was given up for adoption to Edna GLE uh to the Edna gley home in for for Worth Texas
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where she was actually quickly adopted which like yay and she was adopted by Davis Ash Robinson hey he was known as
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Ash and his and his wife rehea a now Ash Robinson he was a classic Texas oilman I
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feel like oil men are like a running theme in my cases lately I'm loving an oil tycoon days you love an oil tycoon
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or like maybe not but maybe not but you are interested prec their stories it's because rich and I love oil story you
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love a Dallas kind of story oh yes yes very like wo very wo very FL very very shocking very that objectives those are
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them so Ash Robinson he was a classic Texas oilman he wore a wide brimmed cowboy hat all the time he drove a
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Lincoln Continental and he was uh deeply suspicious of liberals we'll say okay yep as a child of the Old South he had
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viewed that were increasingly out of step with the world around him that were interesting yeah but despite his heart
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exterior he absolutely adored his wife and his new daughter well that's good yeah that's all we can ask he loved his
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family I don't know if I really want to know anything else about his personal views but he loved his family and
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honestly the most important part you love your family you're taking care of them that's good yeah treat them nice
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exactly and this was kind of during a time where most dads were you know pretty hands off and left baby's needs
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mostly to the mother or the woman in their life but Ash was not about that life he insisted on tending to the new
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baby's needs repairing her formula changing diapers when she was old enough to take on trips he would bring little
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Joan around with him to check on his oil wells at the time oh man which was like
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a very rare site that's really cute yeah and as she grew there was nothing Ash would not do or give to his daughter do
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for or give to his daughter author Thomas Thompson wrote should a minor scratch patrier on her arm Ash would
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summon a specialist and if necessary a medical staff like he he loved his daughter she's the precious cargo very
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much so when Joan was four years old her father hired a chauffeur a chauffeur quote chiefly because he enjoyed going
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on rides with his daughter and did not want to Divi divide his attention between her and the road wow that's
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really precious that's some dad [ __ ] right there that's some oil tycoon [ __ ]
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right there I was going to say that's not just like typical dad [ __ ] that's oil tycoon really rich dad [ __ ] but like
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very adorable yeah it's kind of like hot girl [ __ ] adjacent yeah there you go now
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it was on one of those drives that Joan got her first glimpse of the animal that
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would play a very very important role in her future Ash would later recall I remember well exactly what happened as
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the car passed a field full of horses Joanie commenced a hollering that she wanted to ride those ponies that was the
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beginning everything dates from that afternoon oh wow she fell in love with horses and
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horse at Just 4 years old where you know that's an age where like a lot of kids would be pretty intimidated by a giant
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[ __ ] horse for sure and you know just like straight up scared not Jan she became completely obsessed within a few
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weeks Ash had purchased her an older horse that she learned to ride on and of course learned the responsibilities of
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owning an animal in general yeah within a year so when she was 5 years old she was ratting in competitions and winning
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ribbons alongside riters riders that were twice her age or older good for her she was an incredible incredible horse
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backer LED it as she entered high school that love of horses was continually rivaled only by the love of her father
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and when she graduated and enrolled at Stevens College in Boon County Ash and rehea Robinson actually leased a suite
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of rooms at a hotel across the street from the campus so that they wouldn't have to be apart from their daughter wow
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which you know I think that it's lovely that they loved their daughter so much well it was out of love obviously it was
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out of love but I definitely think it was a little overboard yeah you I mean you do need to I mean I can't imagine
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cuz my kids are so young that I'm like I can't fathom being apart from them for any length of time like you got to let
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them spread their wings but I know at some point you got to let them like be a little independent but that's tough yeah
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and at least you know it was out of love and I think it's so different to like I
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think there's the added level that she was adopted and like they wanted to have a baby so badly and like did whatever
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they could to have just like yeah it was just out of an abundance of love and protective nature definitely you know
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now at College Joan was instantly popular with her peers and her instructors and she also maintained her
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passion for riding and she spent most of her free time when she wasn't at classes
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or anything at the Stables but at the same time she also was keeping up with her grade she was doing really well in
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school trying to satisfy her parents and while she may have loved her mother and
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father she definitely did their constant presence eventually did become stifling
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and of course you can imagine she's at College like she wants to Branch out a little bit one of her friends later said
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most of us felt sorry for her she was completely under her parents' thumb she couldn't even accept a date without
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checking with them first with all that attention she was hungry for Love from somebody other than ma andpa oh I know
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that's the thing it can backfire that's exactly but it's never intentional you know what I mean like it's always you
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can understand it no and I really I really don't think it came from anywhere other than a place of just love really
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loving that child real yeah sad now when she was younger you know in her childhood years the love and
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attention that she got from her parents specifically her father helped Joan grow
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into like a confident empowered young woman but as an adult that same adoration had become a little more
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oppressive and smothering at this point yeah while she was still in college she appeared in a drama Department
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production which sparked an interest in acting that actually led her all the way
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to Hollywood to take a screen test Hollywood Hollywood and but that's kind of what
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her father said he said Holly H but a little different cuz when he found out about her intentions to make a name for
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herself and acting he was not pleased oh he immediately refused to allow this and
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he told her I quote too many good girls had been destroyed by show business I mean show business is not a
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is a scary place so you can you can see the you could see the hesitance that you
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would have to allow your child your only child 100% to enter that I get that but
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like and especially during this time like that's and that's the other thing this is a very different time I I mean
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anytime really sucks anytime entering show business is like intense but this was like a it was like frowned upon at
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this point in time you know and and it looked it's looked at very different at that time so it's like yeah and but it
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sucks for her cuz it's like that's what she wants to do no matter what you want your parents to like support your dreams
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you know of course absolutely but it's a tough it's a tough little double-edged sword there it is I I do get to a degree
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where where ash was coming from but I also his worry yes and I also understand why Joan would be disappointed yeah you
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can see both sides there for sure and I think as much of him as much of him that
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wanted her to not become an actress it also had a lot to do with the distance that would have been between them the
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thing that was also a big part of it that's this is why this is one of those things that it's like you're not seeing
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these like you know shitty parents who are just hard asses to for the sake of being hard asses you know what I mean
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that just like put all these crazy unnecessary expectations on this child and have like driven her to it just
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seems like it's like you can kind of understand both sides of this coin here which makes it so sad it's a lot yeah
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because you're like I get it I get both of you I get I get all of it yeah you seem like you just all love each other
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and want to make each other happy and it's difficult for that to happen yeah but over time it would become clear that
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Ash Robinson's influence over his daughter's life extended well beyond professional and Financial
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while she was still in college Joan met and fell in love with a man named Spike shut up Spike Benton I immediately
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thought of you shout out to the rewatchers is this William the bloody it's not no it's just Spike Benton it's
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just Spike it's just uh he was a young man from a pretty prominent New Orleans family so like
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both of your your interest goodness uh he yeah he's from a pretty prominent New Orleans family and he had recently
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graduated from the United States military Academy oh wow this guy they met they fell in love eventually the
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relationship you know turned serious cuz love cuz love cuz love and Spike approached Ash for his permission to
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marry Joan he's like I love your daughter I really I really want to marry her that's adorable uh Ash was like no
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oh and no not happening that's not adorable he was like you guys are too young I really don't want Joan to marry
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you while you're an active member of the military and I also think it's going to
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be way too expensive for you guys to keep up with the horses so no I mean just taxs that on he's like horses are
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expensive as well so he's like sorry she's a really good Rider uh you're in the military so you're going to move
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around a lot which uh I'm not going to let that happen that must be so hard it must be so hard I dread this kind of
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stuff because it's like you have to let go yeah you have to relinquish a little bit of control you don't know how cuz
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you've never done it but you've spent their whole life doing nothing but trying to keep them safe and steer them
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the right directions and teach them things and like make sure they're okay and it's like and then you just have to
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release all of it and hope that whatever you did it all right right so it's like
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I I can't imagine how much but it's like the more you fight for control as they get over older I just like from what
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I've witnessed it feels like it just backfires there and it must be such a hard like balance to strike you know cuz
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that's the thing you hope that like you just said you hope that you gave them enough that they're going to make good
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decisions and you also hope that you know like you loved them enough and created like a bond with them where if
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they're not doing okay they'll come to you and you have to have faith in that ex and I think that but it's tough is
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where Letting Go could become a little easier if you have that Bond where you know that they'll still come to you
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exactly and and I don't know if Ash even really thought about that I think he was
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just blinded by like I can't let this happen it was just blind fear of like this she's GNA leave exactly and for
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that reason literally any reason he could possibly think of for them not to get married he named and used in his
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argument against this idea but despite his refusal joh uh Joan insisted that she wanted to marry Spike and eventually
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her father did relent and he gave his Blessing but it took it took some time took a little bit yes now after the
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wedding Joan and Spike moved down to Florida where Spike had been stationed actually and just as they had done when
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she left for college Ash and rehea Robinson also found a reason to relocate to Florida huh and they rented an
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apartment just a few miles away from the Newly Weds guys I love you but you got to give them a little space this is
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bringing helicopter parent to another level it's like I I get I I see that you have pure intentions here you you could
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like you got to give her a little space because the thing was rather than being a source of support for the young couple
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Ash became a constant presence in their lives he started every single morning by
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going to have coffee at his daughter's house which is and so lovely but like there's got to
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be a little division here yeah like if my you know my grandpa came to my house every single day for coffee like right
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now when I had just gotten married I'd be like I love you so much and you can you can totally do this but this is a
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lot but like we need a little separate and that's the thing if it was just coffee every morning would that was
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their thing and they decided that was their thing and that was it and otherwise they had very like regular
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average time together you know like that's one thing but it's like because there's so much other I'm sure it became
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a little stifling yeah a little like domineering unintentionally now it wasn't long before the you know the
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stifling constancy of Ash Robinson became a point of contention for Spike and Joan in the marriage and
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unfortunately within 6 months the marriage completely fell apart oh boy and Joan it sent her back uh to Texas
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with her parents all three of them relocated back to Texas uh luckily for Joan it wasn't long before she fell in
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love again this time with a New Orleans lawyer named Cecil Burgess she's loving New Orleans here she does and she's also
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just like gorgeous so you can see why yeah she um she's not having any trouble now Cecil and Joan there they both
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really shared a love of horses and riding the horses and they really bonded over that and before long the prospect
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of marriage was raised yet again but this time Ash just flout out refused to allow his daughter to quote run from the
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ruins of one marriage and into another yeah that's that was a read right there we're starting to overstep a little a
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little bit a little bit in fact he not only refused to give his Blessing to this specific marriage but he quote
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unquote forbid it oh which like okay okay and he's he's pushing Joan at this point yeah I forbidding your child to do
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something especially when they are um like older is really just a recipe for them doing it immediately ding ding ding
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because regardless of her father's feelings Joan and Cecil ended up eloping in 1949 and they just got married by a
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justice of the peace without like anybody there Bo yeah of course but unfortunately this marriage didn't
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really last long either and within six months Joan actually just ended up leaving Cecil and filed for divorce
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shortly after at the time the Robinsons told friends and family that Cecil had been a good man but that he had a
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gambling problem that had ultimately ruined the marriage but the truth was actually that Jan's parents had lied to
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her about Ash having a heart attack in order to lure her back to Texas and once she was there Ash had successfully
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convinced Joan to leave her husband by offering to buy her a new car main coats new horses and telling her that um he
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needed her more than Cecil did Big yikes to that um so he didn't see I don't know if
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Cecil had a gambling problem and maybe that was just like a a fragment of the truth or if he really didn't at all and
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it was just that you know no matter what they lured her back there by saying that
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Ash had a heart attack that's [ __ ] up and he did not I'm just going to be honest with you that's [ __ ] up yeah
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see the thing is we've crossed a very large boundary the boundary is so big this is dysfunctional at this point this
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so this is toxic this is not okay nothing I've been trying I've been trying to be like you
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know parents love their kids it's hard you know [ __ ] wow okay you just love being near her coffee's nice every
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morning but no we crossed over that I gave a big wide wide boundary and they just just galloped right over it like a
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horse like a horse like a horse yeah now by 1951 when she was just 20 years old Joan had graduated from college and was
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twice married and twice divorced so she was still living at home with her parents at this point she was really
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completely free of responsibility but she was ambitious and eager to leave some kind of Mark on the world so she
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started competing in horse riding tournaments again around Texas and the southern part of the country and over
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the next 20 years she would actually go on to win quote over 500 trophies and two of her horses won several top Awards
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in the 50s and 60s damn so she she was really she was really talented really good yeah and she really wanted to have
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she wanted to make some kind of name for herself like in some professional Endeavor and she she set that goal for
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herself and succeeded she very much succeeded and she couldn't have picked a better time to be unattach and un uh
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unattached and unencumbered because by the late 1950s and early 60s the oil boom in and around Texas made countless
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men into millionaires oh just millionaires millionair coming out of the woodwork Dallas Dallas Millionaires
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and this whole movement really transformed the city into kind of like a playground for The Elite and the newly
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wealthy it's Dallas it's telling you and as a member of the Old Guard Joan Robinson was at the center of Houston's
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High Society she was old money she was old money she was beautiful she could have had whoever the hell she wanted she
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was W look atan dining at the finest restaurant she was being photographed everywhere because she's pretty much a
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socialite I would say she was getting photographed at the Opera nightclubs freaking cafes even and according to
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Thompson quote uh the author there were weeks when Jones's name and photo photograph appeared six or eight times
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in the papers always she seemed to be flying off to a horse show or winging in from Hollywood where people Aug her at
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the mo U I think it's the the Mambo M it's a nightclub I looked up how to pronounce it and it's like a place but
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then it's also like a nightclub I think it's the mo Mambo yeah I like it I don't
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know I've never been there I haven't either it's uh it doesn't exist anymore her life sounds pretty fun yeah Fant
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free like the [ __ ] you read about in like good books yeah just like you know what sounds great for her love it now
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despite all the trouble her father's overbearing presence had caused Joan always made a point to share her life
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with her parents no matter what turmoil and tension there had been she did love her parents and she loved her dad years
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later after her Joan's death her mother rehea would tell a reporter I often felt
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the only real love in my life was Joan every time I went out with my daughter I had a wonderful time she made me feel
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loved she made me feel wanted which that breaks heart really breaks my heart that like
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like ash wasn't like a real love for her you know yeah and it's like damn and I I
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wonder if because they didn't necessarily have that with each other in their marriage that they they loved Joan
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to kind of make up for they so much extra love to shower her with not in like a marital way or anything like that
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but just it was like a different kind of love that they yeah that they really devoted their lives to it's like as I
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mean as Twisted as that love God at the end with like the line about a heart attack and all that like that's [ __ ]
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up but like but you know even that was done out of I think desperation and like because of a love that is a little
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different than we can comprehend yeah but yeah it's like that's this just feels like I don't know they needed
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family therapy they did but this was like the 50s they would have benefited from it yeah it wasn't going to happen
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then but not going to happen but now I'd be like just you know sit down with some
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people yeah back then they were like do cocaine about it yeah just you know that's fine it'll it'll intensify
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everything yeah everything will be great no they they were not doing cocaine I'm
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not saying that I'm just like Ling it was just in the 50s but meanwhile Ash continued to be a dominant presence in
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Joan's life he was Finding ways to drive off any potential suitors before any real relationship could begin one former
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boyfriend Travers fell recalled meeting Ash for the first time and he said I could see the hate in his eyes that old
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bastard leaned on me every way he could I got the impression that Joan wanted to
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get away from her father but she loved but she both loved him and feared him EK yeah now as exciting as Houston night
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life was by 1957 Joan had grown really tired of the Casual dates that were not really going anywhere and a future of
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jet setting and horse shows just wasn't as exciting as it once had been it was great but it wasn't everything she
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wanted yeah now one afternoon in the spring while attending a horse show she ran into a man named Dr Riley Foster he
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was a family friend and actually one of the city's most well-respected surgeons and he was in the company of a the young
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man that he introduced as Dr John Hill Joan was immediately drawn to this drawn to this Dr John Hill Dr John he was a
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very good-looking guy in in Joan's eyes he had an Earnest personality so later that afternoon Joan called Riley
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Foster's wife Maggie and insisted that they set her up with John Hill as soon as they could she was really into it
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look at her going after what she wants she is she's that's that Joan is a go-getter she is is now let's talk a
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little bit about John Hill let's go let's do it he was born 1931 and he'd been raised in uh the Rio Grande Valley
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which is a section of Texas wedged between Mexico and the gulf his parents Raymond and Myra Hill had what one
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person described as a quote business-like marriage huh yeah based more on sustainability and practicality
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than on love or romance not what I'm personally looking for yeah John was right in the middle of the three kids
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and he uh he was said to be the most most dominant and energetic of the Hill children he was known mostly for his
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curiosity and pensent for taking things apart to see how they worked how everything functioned okay growing up he
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and his brother Julian were they had a really really close Bond they were almost Inseparable and that actually
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surprised some people because of their polar opposite personalities which immediately reminded me of us yes
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absolutely cuz all the time people are like you guys are really close but like you completely different people it's
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like it works and it just works and they developed a deep love for music that they bonded over between the two of them
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and that would really kind of they would maintain that love for the rest of their
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lives and it was a huge part of their relationship I love that now that passion that they shared came handy uh
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came in handy at church where Myra was a strict follower of the doctrine and raised her children to do likewise she
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was a very devoutly religious woman okay now it was actually her idea for John to
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become a doctor she constantly reminded him quote there are 10 doctors in my family and I'd be so proud if my two
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sons became the 11th and 12th whoa lots of pressure I was just going to say no pressure though yeah even despite a
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pronounced defiant streak in his personality though John did make his mother's dream come true when he came
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home uh for Christmas break during his sophomore year in college and he announced that he did want to attend
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medical school look at John I know he was like hey Mom good news I'm about to be number 10 number 10 number 10 by the
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time he moved to Houston for his medical residency John had decided that there were too many hearts surgeons in the
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area a common problem yeah [ __ ] that and he was like let me pursue plastic surgery because there's a lack of
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plastic surgeons in this region and I could also become hella rich I was just going to say and it definitely doesn't
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hurt the paycheck he like let's do it now while some of Jon's friends and family remember him as a quiet
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unassuming young doctor there was also definitely a streak of arrogance and recklessness about him that people
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remember that occasionally caused problems yeah in one incident early on in his medical career he prefered
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surgery on an older person who was suffering alcoholism and um this surgery was basically he was performing it in
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order to drain excess fluid from the man's stomach MH I guess the procedure is a relatively common simple one but
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there is a risk of puncturing the bowel which can cause a obviously massive infection you don't want to do that and
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that is precisely what happened whether he realized that he had hit the poop pipe for of a term he realized he did
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that or not is unnown but when he finished the surgery simped up the patient and walked away oh and days
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later the man developed uh par parenesis yeah peritonitis sorry peritonitis and ended up dying now when John was called
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before the senior surgeon at the hospital he flatly denied having perforated the bowel but said if it did
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happen it was so minor that it didn't need a repair when it did happen honey you can't perforate the bowel you just
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can't like even minorly like you can't do that yeah the surgeon that he had to talk to later said that guy had a
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million defenses but he was so charming and so eager that I didn't want to wreck
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his career over one mistake one mistake it caused somebody's life yeah I don't know if I would call that like a mistake
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EK yeah but anyway all right to friends Joan and JN when they did get together because they did they made a bit of an
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unlikely pair to Maggie ER the woman who had set them up at Jan's request the relationship actually seemed doomed to
00:27:32
fail in her opinion okay she was like I didn't really want to set them up but insisted set them up to knock them down
00:27:39
she was like I was I didn't have any plans to do that until Joan called me and asked me to Maggie said she knows
00:27:44
horses and nightclubs and where PA keeps his checkbook John Hill knows how to play the trombone and make sutures he's
00:27:50
a mama's boy who winces every time joanes says godamn which is a Maggie which is a serving the tea
00:27:59
she's like like Jon says godamn a lot she's like Joon says goddamn a lot John doesn't like it he's a mama's boy [ __ ]
00:28:06
them both like she's like a daddy's girl he's a mama's boy it's like yeah it's not great but Joan and John they did hit
00:28:14
it off like I said she was taken by his charm and welcomed the opportunity to share her luxurious world with somebody
00:28:21
who still found Houston Society exciting which I think in turn made it exciting for her again yeah cuz she's been here
00:28:27
the whole time time she's just been living this life yeah and it was kind of getting dull because I think she was
00:28:31
lonely but now through someone else's eyes it's like oh this is pretty luxurious right exactly now more
00:28:37
importantly though for one reason or another Ash Robinson didn't lose his mind at the idea of Joan and John dating
00:28:43
huh this was the first time this had happened in fact when Joan brought Jon to meet her father and ask for his
00:28:50
permission to get married Ash was more than hospitable and even took an interest in Jon and his career maybe he
00:28:56
saw his daughter with a doctor maybe he just looked at this as a respectable career the most respectable so I
00:29:03
definitely think so and he's going to make a lot of money and he is setting himself up for a life in Texas not some
00:29:09
else EXA yeah so they're staying here he's got a lot of money they're part of they're going to be part of the Social
00:29:14
Circle part of high society he's a doctor yeah I get it and years later Thompson speculated it must have
00:29:21
occurred to Ash Robinson that the alliance was on balance one that he could live with Joan was 26 years old
00:29:27
and if she had to marry somebody then John Hill was not the worst of choices that's the thing it doesn't seem like
00:29:32
you know he's like a bad guy so no I I don't know anything about this case so I am just spew spew I don't know that he
00:29:39
is a bad gu maybe maybe I'll regret saying that but right now I get why ash was like you know this looks fine I will
00:29:47
tell you early on that I think you're going to go on the same roller coaster that I did I hate roller coasters so
00:29:54
let's go I don't I still don't know how I feel about John one way or the other and this sounds so weird because we're
00:30:01
talking about JN and I'm like I think John's great they like take your earrings out let's fight like yeah we're
00:30:07
not getting on a roller coaster John will'll get vertigo okay so that be back John Hill I should say yeah now so Ash
00:30:13
didn't say no soine with John and Joan married in September of 1957 and they had a ceremony held in her parents huge
00:30:21
backyard it was gorgeous sure it was gorgeous gorgeous the next day the society pages and all the local paper
00:30:27
described to the wedding in storybook terms like one outlet that reported the bridge of glow and an elegant white l or
00:30:34
the bridge the bride it was bride I think that's his bride the bride a glow in an elegant white lace gown o after
00:30:41
the honeymoon the couple accepted Ash's invitation to live with them at his estate damn noting that it would help
00:30:47
them financially while neglecting to mention that it would also give Ash the opportunity to keep a close eye on his
00:30:53
daughter in new I was going to say I mean that was definitely the reason he was like wow you could just live in my
00:30:57
house it'll save you so much money for John though who had just begun his residency living with Ash and Rhea
00:31:03
Robinson was a godsend yeah at the time surgical residents were only paid $165 a month damn crazy while like
00:31:12
breaking their backs to go through a res exactly it was barely anything considering the work week that could
00:31:18
range anywhere from 60 to 80 hours damn and so the arrangement made it so that the couple not only saved on rent but
00:31:25
also benefited from meals and food and you know electricity and all the things that you have to pay for coming to the
00:31:32
rescue exactly and in addition to all of that as members of Houston Society most
00:31:37
social events and other entertainment were paid for by Jones parents yeah so they got to live this lifestyle and not
00:31:45
have to pay for it rub two pennies together right without the crushing Financial stress that most medical
00:31:51
students experience Jon and Joan were able to enjoy the early days of their marriage but J's frequent appearances in
00:31:57
the society Pages was a constant irritant to the ethics Comm uh committee at the hospital oh and they believed
00:32:04
having a surgical resident among all that nightlife was ethically questionable and they actually insisted
00:32:09
that he cease his celebrity nightlife appearances if he was going to continue his residency I I can see that yeah I
00:32:17
couldn't know that my doctor's out all night at a nightclub I don't want to know anything about my doctor yeah just
00:32:22
that like he's nice to me when I'm there I like my doctor say I love my doctor he
00:32:26
does a good job yeah that's all I want to know about him I don't want to open up a tabloid and see him like you know
00:32:31
hanging out with whoever at some night club Downing Crystal I want to see that like do it all by all means go I don't
00:32:39
give a [ __ ] what you're doing doctor but like Dodge the photos yeah like Dr Jeffrey it's fine like just do your
00:32:47
thing yeah exctly don't tell me about it so I get it they're like we don't need you showing everybody what you're doing
00:32:52
all the time exactly and the Ethics Committee they weren't the only thing that put distance between J and Joan
00:32:58
hill because they did since J had to ease up on these appearances Joan's schedule was usually really really busy
00:33:05
and required her to travel most days out of the week and John really hardly ever
00:33:09
went with her even when he could he didn't really oh uh the making an effort no the result of these circumstances was
00:33:17
that they pretty much began living separate social lives JN focused on his career and his music cuz remember he's
00:33:23
really passionate about music and Joan on her horses and comp itions but neither at this point seemed resentful
00:33:30
or jealous of the other all right so they just have their own things and and it work for a bit Yeah in June of 1960
00:33:37
Joan actually ended up giving birth to a boy that the couple named Robert Ashton
00:33:41
Hill and they nicknamed him or uh excuse me I should say Ash his grandfather nicknamed him boot boot yeah that's
00:33:48
hilarious I'm not sure what that was about Bo little boot that's adorable little boot hey little boot little boot
00:33:55
boot I think it's adorable I love it don't it makes me laugh cuz it's so cute I don't know if it was like a Texas
00:34:02
thing like he wore boots like little boot look at this little boot a little cowboy boot but the pregnancy and the
00:34:09
birth had been actually difficult for Joan and for John the baby was the first sign of major changes in his life that
00:34:16
he had been enjoying Oh you mean she created a whole human in her body and now things have to be a little different
00:34:22
yeah okay and you know like she is dealing with the after effects of uh creating and delivering human life it's
00:34:28
a little tough it's a big thing uh for one thing as we all know children are expensive time consuming very much so
00:34:35
and John being in his final year of residency meant that they would need to continue relying heavily on Ash and
00:34:41
rehea Jan's parents for financial and practicable practical support practicable support practicable support
00:34:48
for ash Robinson though the birth of his grandson could not have been a more celebratory event he [ __ ] loved that
00:34:56
boy that just like I'm like he just wants to like I I don't know Hees his feelings
00:35:04
here but I'm like he really does love his family kind of sweet he do he said well he loves most of his family he said
00:35:10
of his son-in-law's apprehension about you know becoming a father I don't care if he's ready or not we're very
00:35:17
happy he's like I don't give a [ __ ] about him [ __ ] about that guy I'm happy yeah he's like I'm psyched I'm a grandpa
00:35:23
I got a little boot now I'm Grandpa [ __ ] Ash this is my little boot like shut up that's so cute that's
00:35:30
hilarious but of course just as he had done with his own daughter Ash adored Boot and wasted no time lavishing him
00:35:35
with gifts and attention and that's really sweet they were really close for a long time and Jon and Joan they
00:35:41
managed to survive the distance between them caused by their different interest and their social lives they kept up
00:35:47
appearances for their neighbors and the society pages but I think becoming parents and you know for for John
00:35:56
specifically the baby and more specifically Ash's Adoration of the baby brought about new opportunities for
00:36:02
criticism in the Robinson Hill household that was going to test the strength of their marriage Yeah by 1963 Ash had
00:36:11
become more vocally dismissive of Jon telling friends that Jon contributed nothing to the household seemed to have
00:36:17
no trouble spending his own money on a piano or other musical interests but like not providing at all for his kid
00:36:25
once at a party Ash was over heard telling another guest here comes the famous plastic surgeon John Hill who
00:36:31
never even bought his son a jar of baby food ooh o can you imagine being a party goer
00:36:40
like having that conversation and you're just like d and like John is like right
00:36:44
over John Hill is right over there and you're in between that like the tension within that moment i' be like like
00:36:51
that's like a a Mike drop boom that's like he's not even buying his kid baby food and it's like yikes that's that's
00:36:57
not a good look my friend that is not a good look yeah and the thing was in the world of Houston's Elite John was
00:37:04
checking all the right boxes as he was climbing up the social ladder but as long as he lived in his father-in-law's
00:37:09
house he was never going to be considered to be truly successful in fact when his colleague Dr Nathan Roth
00:37:15
offered him a position at his private practice it came with the stipulation that Jon move himself and his family out
00:37:22
of the Robinson's house and into his own home uh John was obvously very happy to
00:37:27
accept this offer because tensions had gone past a point of being manageable being any kind of manageable yeah and
00:37:35
the $5,000 personal loan Roth was giving him uh was a nice a nice asset yeah that
00:37:41
helps so while the opportunity to establish himself in private practice was incredibly exciting there was still
00:37:47
the matter of Ash Robinson or more specifically how John was going to tell Ash Robinson that not only would he no
00:37:53
longer need his financial support but that he would be moving away with the two most important people in the man's
00:37:59
life oh boy yeah uh not surprisingly Ash responded poorly to the news not shocked
00:38:06
Joan insisted that it was for the best and that the house that they found for their little family was only a few miles
00:38:11
away so it wasn't like they wouldn't be able to still see each other every day regardless John had made up his mind and
00:38:18
in 1963 the family moved to their own home about 10 minutes away from the Robinson so not bad yeah at the same
00:38:24
time John eagerly joined Roth's uh surgical practice as a junior partner anticipating a really bright future
00:38:31
unfortunately though the hills would have or would not have much time to celebrate the positive developments in
00:38:37
their lives because just a few weeks after the move this is really sad Jon's brother Julian was found dead in the
00:38:43
Attic of a family friend's home he uh there was an empty bottle of barbituates beside him oh jeez now nobody really
00:38:52
knew why he had ended his life but there was a predominant theory that Julian had
00:38:58
struggled with anxiety and depression for a long time and that he may have been living his life as a closeted gay
00:39:04
man oh that's so sad so he had like a lot on him yeah and The Bleak future that he envisioned for himself because
00:39:11
he lives in Texas and the in the 60s 60s at this point very early 60s that had just become too much for him to Bear but
00:39:19
because this happened right as they were starting to kind of you know get out on
00:39:24
their own it set them back big time because they were best friends John and Julian that's sad yeah and it was the
00:39:31
first tragedy that they really went through as a couple yeah but unfortunately it was just the beginning
00:39:37
of a downward spiral test you yeah and they would experience a lot more tragedy in the years that followed Julian's
00:39:45
death and the start of Jon's professional career Joan and Jon continued to drift slowly but steadily
00:39:50
apart after joining the practice John he really threw himself fully into building
00:39:54
a name for himself at the practice and among the Social Circles he acquired or achieved pretty much all the Hallmarks
00:40:01
of a successful surgeon and when he wasn't occupied with work Jon enthusiastically pursued his musical
00:40:07
interest which left little time for his wife or his son JN uh Joan often was pretty upset and lamented that JN hardly
00:40:15
knew their son and never really made any attempt to engage in the typical fatherson activities like camping or
00:40:21
sports or literally anything anything at all that's shitty it is and to to not make an effort and that's the thing her
00:40:29
her complaints about this lack of a relationship were not baseless cuz it's like I get that you're trying to like
00:40:35
move up in the like you're trying to you know make a better life at work and whatnot to not make to not make any time
00:40:41
for your child that's on you man and it's like it would be one thing if you were pouring everything into work that
00:40:46
would still be something that I would want to talk about yeah but it was like you're pouring a lot into work and your
00:40:53
social status and your social status and your personal Hobbies yeah and leaving for our not impressed by that because
00:41:00
since moving into their home had spent thousands and thousands of dollars renovating the place to accommodate his
00:41:08
interests and his tastes and despite a substantial increase in his salary actually within just one year of Private
00:41:15
Practice he was making $168,000 annually which would be like making $1.5 million today oh [ __ ] but
00:41:24
the family was struggling with with finances even at that level because he was going so hard because he was going
00:41:31
so hard on his own [ __ ] not even like pouring it into a little boot there but the most important thing to Jon in his
00:41:39
own eyes was to build a music room in the house where he could Retreat it's like what are you [ __ ] retreating
00:41:44
from retreating from what man you don't see your kid you don't see your kid ever
00:41:47
he just wanted to retreat to play or listen to music and after Contracting with Houston based engineer Lewis or
00:41:55
Louie Earth John told the man since I was a little boy it has been my dream to build such a room money is No Object the
00:42:02
only goal is perfection okay it's like money is an object you have a [ __ ] family to provide for and you're
00:42:08
spending all of this money man now years later uh Louie recalled his initial conversation with John noting that the
00:42:15
man was not just insistent but he said he actually seemed possessed whoa like he was like he was really so obsessed
00:42:21
about this room really intense about this not only did the music dig the hills deeper into debt but it
00:42:29
also gave JN one more place where he could Escape his family which he did not need yeah by the summer of 1968 after
00:42:36
years of frustration Joan demanded that he take a few days off and drive with her to pick up boot from summer camp
00:42:43
where he'd been uh for four weeks he went to like a little little program yeah John agreed to take the trip but
00:42:48
neither of them knew that it would be a trip that only further complicated things in their marriage so she here
00:42:55
Joan is being like can can you actually show up for once yeah and then the one time this [ __ ] does show up it
00:43:01
changes everything what Happ in a bad way it was at Camp Rio Vista that John first met a woman named an Kurt don't
00:43:11
she was a woman who would tra change his life dramatically don't even like JN and
00:43:16
Joan an had visited the camp that weekend to pick up her children one afternoon as John was sitting with the
00:43:21
other families in the mess hall for lunch he just leaned over and introduced himself to an there and her son who were
00:43:27
seated right by him and over the course of the weekend John and Anne just kept bumping into one another at the camp
00:43:34
while Joan was off somewhere uh you know taking care of their [ __ ] child oh come on and when they returned to
00:43:40
Houston a few days later John called Dan he was like hey oh he just had her number yeah he got her number over the
00:43:47
course of that uh bonding time where he was supposed to be uh showing up for his
00:43:51
son oh I tell you he called in and he said oh I had uh my film developed like took a bunch of pictures while we were
00:43:58
away this weekend do you want to see some of the pictures huh I would love to meet up and
00:44:03
show you some of the pictures and that's it just look at pictures together totally this is fine everything's
00:44:08
totally fine yeah Ann knew that John was married to a societ woman no less but she figured she would entertain the
00:44:17
little fantasy for a little while longer before ultimately shutting it down for the sake of uh decency and decorum come
00:44:23
on yeah what the [ __ ] both of you what the [ __ ] but the problem was she liked
00:44:29
the attention oh [ __ ] off and more than that she really liked John Hill well he's married so uhhuh the afternoon
00:44:39
photo sharing was soon followed by a lunch then another lunch and before long Anne and John were engaged in exactly
00:44:47
the kind of relationship that Anne said she had planned to avoid from the start please an yeah [ __ ] please after a few
00:44:54
weeks of clandes in meetings I love the word clandestine yeah it makes it sound so much nicer than it actually is I know
00:45:00
secret [ __ ] meetings [ __ ] betrayal gross meetings but clandestine too we go you have time for that uhhuh
00:45:10
now you're a [ __ ] kid though so after a few weeks of those secret meetings JN was upfront with Ann about his
00:45:16
intentions she later recalled he informed me that from this moment on I was to consider my time fully taken up
00:45:22
by Dr John Hill I'm sorry what what he was like you're mine I want you marked territory this is really gross agreed
00:45:33
this is really gross yeah well and N was like okay what about your wife John said
00:45:38
oh oh now you're asking about his wife yeah I love that did you hear about your from over here oh what huh like oh I
00:45:46
about her [ __ ] yeah let's let's ask about her now that it's not sounding so great to you exactly yeah so when she
00:45:51
asked about Joan Jon said you know their relationship had been over for quite some time and he was quote trapped in a
00:45:57
marriage he had to get out of oh shut up it's like then get out of it and give me
00:46:01
a call once that's done exactly over the years he said they drifted apart they were living two separate lives they had
00:46:07
very different interests different goals you know she wanted to raise their kid he didn't and by the end of summer
00:46:14
though JN and an had become lovers and now he had to figure out how he was going to get out of his marriage the
00:46:20
fact that this man met this woman and this woman met this man at a summer camp picking up children yeah they should be
00:46:27
ashamed of themselves 150 million per. now one fall day Joan returned home from a horse show to find a
00:46:35
note I repeat a note they'd been married like I I want to say like probably 10 years at this point he did not Burger
00:46:44
from sex to the city this girl you I wrote that in my notes did I literally I will show it to you my God I literally
00:46:50
wrote that in my notes the note that he wrote her said things had not been uh things have not been good between us
00:46:56
I've gone away for a few days to find myself I'm sorry I can't don't hate me this is what I wrote obviously
00:47:03
infuriated at the equivalent of burgers I'm sorry I can't not yes I can't I'm sorry I can't don't hate me I do hate
00:47:11
you a post it oh my God I can't same level that's [ __ ] up same level that is so obviously [ __ ] enraged Joan
00:47:18
called the surgical practice over and over and over and over again but her husband never returned the father of her
00:47:26
child correct never returned her calls so that night she went to her parents which I would be like
00:47:32
Daddy right you're like let Ash know honey d stand for this that night she went to her parents
00:47:43
she told them what happened and Ash's Instinct this man's this this man's is a f his Instinct was to hire a private
00:47:51
detective to find all the information he possibly could to destroy his son-in-law
00:47:56
and you know what let's go I mean just parent things you know I'm sorry if you leave you Hur my kid it's gloves off you
00:48:06
my kid and you leave your [ __ ] my grandson your son boot I'm sorry gloves off Bo you Joan and boot Ash isn't
00:48:14
letting this go I would never no and neither would Ash Robin he's going to get the Coast Guard on it like he's he's
00:48:20
just on this legit so Joan managed to you know deescalate her dad but the next it's fun to talk about it's fun to talk
00:48:27
about oh so she she deescalate him in the moment but the next day when she had gotten over the initial shock of a
00:48:33
abandonment yeah she also felt pretty vindictive and in the two weeks that followed she told everybody about what
00:48:40
her husband had done how he simply walked out on her and Boot and she was like I hope I [ __ ] tarnish his entire
00:48:46
reputation yeah I mean I'd be I'm Tom Petty too like that would be [ __ ] I have Tom Petty tattooed on my body yeah
00:48:53
like [ __ ] that you're gone literally done you walk out on your wife and your child and do you expect the worst part
00:49:00
of this and I feel like you'll agree the worst part of this to me is finally after the word had spread all around
00:49:07
Houston Jon called Joan finally and asked if they could meet oh wouldn't answer any calls before that but now
00:49:14
that he's getting it now that people are talking then you want to talk to me oh okay I'd be like I'm busy I'm have a
00:49:20
manicure now with this is just haot girl [ __ ] with her best friend just around the corner and met at a
00:49:29
downtown restaurant she had had B right there and they met to discuss their marriage in the future it did not take
00:49:36
more than a few minutes for this conversation uh to turn into a shouting match and John just got up and left
00:49:43
can't take the heat can't so when Joan returned to where her friend was waiting the two women jumped in their car and
00:49:49
followed John and the woman that they could now see was in his vehicle with him this is so gross he brought his
00:49:57
mistress to a meeting to discuss his marriage and was like wait in the car while I figure this out this is so icky
00:50:05
I know it's giving if you're watching Real Housewives of Miami right now that's what it's giving my baby Lisa
00:50:10
this is just really gross it's horrible like I feel for Joan so hard here like this is just really gross you will feel
00:50:16
for Joan for the rest of ever like I really do so after a slow motion car chase back to Jon's office Joan
00:50:24
confronted John and Anne the woman who was in the car demanding to know whether they were
00:50:29
having an affair now this is where sheit gets Wild As [ __ ] to her absolute astonishment John lied and told his wife
00:50:38
quote he was having an affair with This Woman's husband and that he was being blackmailed what wait what he said he
00:50:48
was having an affair with her husband yeah which is was not true why didn't he just say I'm having
00:50:55
an affair with this woman I couldn't tell you that is the strangest lie I have ever heard I don't know if it was
00:51:02
because an was right there like no there's literally like you can try to find a little string of logic there
00:51:10
there's no string of logic either way you're having an affair why are you lying about the person you're having an
00:51:17
affair with I don't know I the only I'm just like what I think because back then
00:51:24
like being gay was so frowned upon that people thought it was something you could be cured of so maybe he thought he
00:51:31
was being like Oh like there's something wrong with me and like she'll forgive me
00:51:35
for this I don't know about that logic that logic is ridiculous but I that's the only thing that I can see as
00:51:46
to why he would have done that that's I'd be like what yeah exactly what so Joan was
00:51:53
uh stunned by this news yeah and also found it very hard to believe and then she became even more suspicious when
00:52:01
just a few weeks later Anonymous notes started arriving in the mail telling her her husband was having an affair but
00:52:08
with an yeah and that Anne was only one of several women that he'd been cheating
00:52:13
withd this this guy seems to have all the time yeah suddenly all his time is just open yeah he's got lots of time my
00:52:21
God and he's a plastic surgeon this really is Real Housewives of Miami this is just I love the he like yeah I don't
00:52:25
have time to hang out with my child or know my child at all but I do have several Mistresses but I have like a
00:52:31
handful of Mistresses a straight up roster wow okay yeah so by then he was more or less living in Anne's house and
00:52:38
had cut off all communication with Joan I take back my original John I know I was leading you I was leading you a bit
00:52:46
oftr I didn't know any of this how dare you John yeah and when I say my opinion of John is like I'm not sure about him
00:52:53
I'm sure about the fact that he's an [ __ ] I'm sure about this I'm just not sure about a later part and we'll get
00:52:58
there uh but so by then he he's living in ant's house he cuts off all communication with Joan and in response
00:53:05
Joan was like I'm going to do my dad's idea I'm gonna hire a private investigator so she hired a private
00:53:11
detective to follow her husband which is how she learned for real like 100% solid
00:53:16
proof that he and an an were having an affair and that he was living with an she didn't even know where he was living
00:53:23
cuz he just left damn and she finds out that he's living there are so shameful how shameful for both of them and if I
00:53:30
was an I'd be like why the [ __ ] did you say that you were sleeping with my husband bye qua now throughout the fall
00:53:37
of uh 1968 the hills marriage had uh devolved into a strange dance of jealous stalking Jon's attempts to get or excuse
00:53:46
me Jan's attempts to get incriminating information on her husband and he just divorce just a whole bunch of nasty just
00:53:52
divorce pretend you don't know each other I'm I'm pretty sure this guy doesn't want to know his child anyways
00:53:57
so just let them go off together and you know it's fine this guy sucks it's something but instead of just you know
00:54:05
getting divorced they drove or uh Joan drove around an Curt's neighborhood started shopping where an shopped
00:54:12
followed John regularly in the hopes that she would catch him in the midst of The Affair D by the end of the year
00:54:17
private detectives had confirmed that Jon had taken his own bachelor apartment which signaled to Joan that their
00:54:24
separation was perent at just 37 years old she was about to become a divorce for the third
00:54:30
time and that shame to her I was going to say I personally don't think there's any shame in it but I can't imagine
00:54:38
having to go through that at this period this place and dur and like in High Society all three of those things Ling
00:54:47
on her I didn't take that into account when I first was like just get divorced what the [ __ ] I totally forgot that
00:54:53
she's been divorced two other times right and that in that place and in that time and in that whole society that that
00:54:59
would be looked at one divorce alone would be looked at but three I can I can understand why she was a little scared
00:55:06
exactly and so she was just going through it at this point I think this is when she she hit like breakdown time
00:55:12
yeah that sounds awful yeah so she could I think before she was feeling like vindictive and she wanted to get some
00:55:18
kind of proof of this and she didn't know what she was going to get when she got there but then all of this just came
00:55:23
to his screeching h and hit her all at once well that's the thing when you get you can get so many little bits and
00:55:30
pieces of like quote unquote proof right but when you get that one that that hit
00:55:36
and really shows you that it's happening it's a different feeling it's a different hit it's a different hit cuz
00:55:41
you can know it without knowing it and then when you know it it's like oh the way that hits differently is like eek
00:55:48
and like you can't for lack of a better way to say it you can't lie to yourself anymore no you can't cuz once you see it
00:55:54
right in front of your face it's like over cuz you you I should say you can't convince yourself that it's not true
00:55:58
anymore not lie to yourself cuz that's exactly when my my ex from like a million years ago the same that [ __ ]
00:56:04
that it was the you remember I everybody remembers there were little bits and pieces I would find that I was like very
00:56:10
clearly he's cheating on me like very clearly but when I got the one when I when I was able to to call that number
00:56:17
and and got that voice on the other end answered who was not a not a man yeah that he was under man's name uh I think
00:56:27
it was it was Jim yeah uh she this person was labeled Jim in his phone and and I just thought Jim spoke a little
00:56:33
strange through text message to him yeah and so when I called that number and it
00:56:38
was not Jim it was not Jim the call her on the other line said my name is not Jim my name is not Jim and she said who
00:56:45
are you and I said oh girl and then me and her became friends so I know I kind of
00:56:51
love that you did that you did the other woman that movie thing I love it now Joan wasn't quite there yet no no
00:56:58
this is a very different situation we did not have children together yeah that's a whole other things and and you
00:57:03
weren't divorced ever at that point no I was not or and you still aren't that's great no it's great it's awesome I love
00:57:09
it same me me too but Joan unfortunately had gone through it she had gone through
00:57:15
it so she called John and she pleaded for him to return saying that she wanted to work through their differences like
00:57:22
she she wanted to give this a Fighting Chance you know yeah but he explained that he was too wrapped up with an and
00:57:29
he couldn't see how he could just walk away that is from an devastating and to be told but you can walk away from the
00:57:36
mother of your child and your child like to be told wow I can't just walk away from this woman after this man has
00:57:43
walked out on you and your baby that's really disgusting that's [ __ ] that's honestly despicable it is now Joan's
00:57:52
doorbell rang one day in November and she answered it to find a lawyer standing before her with a divorce
00:57:58
citation she was being served papers the document alleged that despite Jon's attempts at civility his wife's Behavior
00:58:05
had led to irreconcilable differences and that he was seeking to end the marriage Joan was stunned and enraged
00:58:13
and she showed the citation to her father who swore he would take care of everything now this is wild so Ash was
00:58:21
like no I'm going to take care of this like this is not happening and a few days later Joan gets a letter from JN
00:58:27
asking that quote she become reconciled with him and forgive his trans transgressions the [ __ ] the letter also
00:58:35
noted specific details about his intention to pay back all the money that he had borrowed from Joan's parents and
00:58:41
explicitly stated it is distinctly understood that this is not my idea or intention to influence any judicial
00:58:47
Action Now pending did Ash have something to do with this I cannot confirm nor deny
00:58:56
correct I can I can neither confirm nor deny many people believe that Ash did have something to do with it I but no
00:59:05
one knows nobody can prove it but people thought so uh which is leads me to my next paragraph despite being on Jon's
00:59:12
letterhead and bearing his signature the tone heavily suggested that Ash had used
00:59:16
whatever influence he had to force Jon to reconsider ending his relationship with Joan he was like allegedly you're
00:59:22
not going to leave my da allegedly yeah either way though Joan was happy to have
00:59:27
avoided this great embarrassment that she thought a third divorce would be yeah and what everybody would have
00:59:32
shamed her for and everything that happened notwithstanding she was pleased that Jon was going to end his
00:59:38
relationship with an and finally come home I regret to inform you that her happiness would not last long she's
00:59:46
breaking my heart yeah this is It's a tragic case no one knows what 100% did lead John Hill to sign this letter so
00:59:54
obvious viously allegedly prepared by his father-in-law allegedly but in doing so he put himself in an unexpectedly
01:00:01
difficult position he had agreed to return home to Joan but he had yet to end his relationship with an oh my God
01:00:09
John get it [ __ ] together please like get it together and now an is starting to get the feel or was starting to get
01:00:16
the feeling that he was pulling away and you get it together too like Jesus Christ everybody everybody get it
01:00:21
together the writing is on the wall okay no response and pushed hard on JN and those working in his surgical practice
01:00:29
for information about his finances and his whereabouts so now he's just doing the same thing to an that he did to Joan
01:00:34
exactly Jes exactly and because she's like you know trying to track him down all the time the implication was either
01:00:41
that she intended to sue him or she was hoping to get him out of his marriage yeah and to make matters worse Ash
01:00:47
Robinson intended to make sure that his son-in-law lived up to his end of whatever bargain the two men had
01:00:53
allegedly struck allegedly and allegedly and while Jon attempted to manage uh manage I say quote unquote two perilous
01:01:01
relationships he was constantly followed intimidated and threatened by Anonymous
01:01:07
men who were allegedly hired by Ash allegedly allegedly so there's nothing to confirm nor deny that those men were
01:01:14
hired by Ash not at this point somebody saying they think that might be what happened it's Texas High Society R feels
01:01:24
high societ it's also like from the 60s yeah now whether the S whe whether for the sake of everybody's safety or some
01:01:30
other reason John made the decision to move back home with Joan at the end of the year I hate this it's a lot so in
01:01:37
the first months of 1969 Joan tried to make several changes and what she saw as self-improvements aimed at keeping Jon
01:01:44
happy like she was just trying to do anything she possibly could to save her marriage yeah there's nothing like
01:01:49
getting cheated on yeah he meanwhile ran himself ragged splitting his time between life at home work and of course
01:01:56
more clandestine Alena doesn't like that word secret gross me after everything that had happened
01:02:02
Ann was growing tiresome of the affair and started demanding that Jon decide between his wife or her Jesus Christ
01:02:10
it's like Christ on a cracker you know what John godamn and is what I say to add insult to injury at the same time
01:02:17
John's music room was finally completed with a final price tag of just over $100,000
01:02:25
this music room cost more than their entire house this one room inside of their home
01:02:34
was more expensive than their entire home and it's like what and it's just for him so he he's just getting a a fun
01:02:42
present it's a fun reward after everything yes okay and the room was uh exactly as he as he envisioned it and it
01:02:51
gave him reason to a reason to stay home with Joan but uh didn't solve the problem because now he's just shutting
01:02:58
himself in that room yeah he's home but is he but is he really there now despite
01:03:03
the letter he presented to his wife and whatever attempts at self-improvement Joan was making there was just too much
01:03:09
resentment andony between the two of them for that marriage to ever survive within the first three months of the
01:03:16
year Jon and Janes spent most of the time shouting at each other or harboring suspicions like harboring suspicions on
01:03:22
Jones end yeah it's likely that they would have ended up divorced had Joan not come down with what appeared to be a
01:03:30
serious case of the flu in early March huh around the 15th of March her friends became rather concerned about her health
01:03:37
she'd been sleeping a lot more than usual she didn't really seem to have any energy for even the most basic social
01:03:44
functions according to Joan she and Jon got in a fight over dinner the previous evening and after struggling to fall
01:03:50
asleep he gave her a tranquilizer which made her exceedingly tired Joan's two friends became more alarmed
01:03:57
the next day when they stopped by to check on her and learned that she had spent all day vomiting and they became
01:04:03
even more alarmed in the in the days that followed as her illness had progressed
01:04:09
considerably Now by March 17th 2 Days Later Joan was constantly exhausted exper and experiencing regular bouts of
01:04:18
vomiting and unfortunately diarrhea as well that afternoon when the maid went to check on her after John had left for
01:04:25
work he's like leaving while his wife is in this condition and they're trying to
01:04:28
figure out their marriage Jesus the maid found Joan lying on the bedroom floor covered in vomit and feces and that's
01:04:36
putting it lightly oh my gosh there were signs around the room that she had tried
01:04:40
to make it to the bathroom but was too weak to even get there oh my God that breaks my heart it's horrific oh the
01:04:46
next day rehea Robinson Joan's mother stopped by to visit her daughter and that's when she learned the condition
01:04:53
that Joan was and she had no idea that also breaks my heart because like when you're like you're married mhm and like
01:05:00
that's you're that sick you're supposed to be married to someone who will take care of you 100 you're married to a
01:05:06
[ __ ] doctor count yeah and it's like she can't even count on him for that like that's really sad like the
01:05:12
loneliness she must have felt in that moment cuz I can't imagine I think that all the time when I get sick oh like how
01:05:19
about like single parents yeah and like what do you do I'm like my gosh like it just like tears my soul apart to think
01:05:27
about it all alone in that state yeah but to actually have a partner a quote unquote partner and to still be left
01:05:32
alone you can't even count on them to take care of you [ __ ] like that's such a bummer absolutely [ __ ] so rehea was
01:05:39
horrified absolutely horrified at the state that she found her daughter in and demanded to know why JN hadn't called an
01:05:45
ambulance cuz like you said he's a doctor he should know this isn't okay yeah like plastic surgeon or like not
01:05:51
like you went through all your residency you're a doctor and she was told by John that he was
01:05:56
quote making arrangements for Joan to go to Sharpstown hospital where she would have intensive care and be treated like
01:06:03
a queen I mean I don't think it's that hard to make arrangements here call an ambulance now at the time because
01:06:09
obviously she was so distracted by the state that her daughter was in it didn't occur to rehea that Sharpstown hospital
01:06:16
was twice as far away as the Texas Texas Medical Center like she should have just
01:06:20
been brought there and at the time it also didn't strike her as strange that under the obviously dire circumstances J
01:06:28
was prioritizing Joan being treated like a queen but not treating her like one himself yeah it doesn't make any sense
01:06:35
and it's like no she doesn't need to be treated like a queen she needs to be treated medically like she just needs to
01:06:40
be treated yeah so after some brief argument between Ash and John the three rehea John and uh Ash managed to get
01:06:49
Joan into the car and andn drove to Sharpsville while Ray attended to Joan in the back seat why this is wild and it
01:06:57
was a much further away Hospital than the one that they could have gone to Joan was admitted to Sharpstown Hospital
01:07:02
on March 18th 1969 for what doctors immediately assumed was a severe case of the flu but
01:07:09
that would be debated upon for years to come at first Jon's tone and that of the
01:07:15
doctor he had asked to provide care for his wife was casual and it hardly fit the situation at hand it was only when
01:07:22
one of the nurses checked Jan's blood pressure that they realized the grave danger she was in in addition to the
01:07:28
vomiting and diarrhea Jan's blood pressure was perilously low indicating that again she was in real danger yeah
01:07:35
Dr Walter uh bonut I believe it is recalled I dropped everything and went over I canceled out my whole schedule
01:07:42
holy [ __ ] uh her blood pressure I don't know a lot about it I know you will was
01:07:46
6 60 over 40 damn yeah like she was she was he should have seen that oh 100 as a
01:07:55
doctor he should have seen that something was Dire a miss here yeah blood blood pressure 60 over 40 she
01:08:02
actually should have been in shock and basically on the verge of death holy [ __ ] but the doctor found her sitting up
01:08:07
in bed what the [ __ ] based on the symptoms she and John had reported the doctor assumed that she had contracted
01:08:12
some kind of food poisoning or maybe a bacterial infection which could possibly explain the wide range of symptoms she
01:08:19
had described the attending doctors attempted to get Jan's blood pressure up while they we on lab results from blood
01:08:25
and feal samples but within just 6 hours after being admitted Jan's kidneys started to fail oh no now by 8:00 p.m.
01:08:34
that night doctors diagnosed her with kidney failure and actually considered moving her to a nearby hospital where
01:08:39
she could be put on a dialysis machine holy [ __ ] cuz he's saying that he made all these arrangements for her to be
01:08:45
treated there but they don't even have a dialysis I just going to say it doesn't
01:08:48
look like everybody's ready for her and at that point Joan was far too fragile to be moved
01:08:54
so instead they wanted to attempt um a a per perianal di dialysis inserting a tube into the stomach and forcing a
01:09:04
blood purifying solution through her until she could be stabilized but the problem was that the Physicians wanted
01:09:11
Jon's approval before beginning the procedure and he was nowhere to be found what John Hill didn't resurface
01:09:20
until nearly 1100 p.m. and by that point the surgeons had gone home hoping that they could still perform the life-saving
01:09:27
procedure in the morning so he sat by his wife's bedside throughout the night as Janes slipped in and out of
01:09:33
Consciousness oh this is awful sometime in the middle of the night she yelled out her husband's name and he woke up
01:09:38
just in time to see and this is very uh graphic a torrent of blood race up from her innards and splash out of her mouth
01:09:46
oh the hemorr had been very very severe and despite their best efforts to stabilize her Joan Robins and Hill died
01:09:54
in the early morning hours of March 19th 1969 holy [ __ ] like and they were just
01:10:00
about to do a life saving procedure what a horrifying death Beyond oh I feel so awful
01:10:08
Beyond immediately following her death Jon's reaction seemed quote unquote normal we talk about this a lot but it
01:10:14
seemed quote unquote normal for a man who had just lost his wife he wailed he sobbed loudly screaming no over and over
01:10:20
and over but his hospital staff tried to comfort him several did find it odd that
01:10:26
rather than call Joan's parents Jon's first reaction was to call his own mother and a friend of his Dr Jim oats
01:10:33
who lived just a few miles away when Dr Jim and Dy oats arrived at the hospital they were both shocked to find that
01:10:40
nobody had even washed the body yet and that Joan was still covered in blood so doy began washing Joan as carefully as
01:10:48
she could while Jon walked in and out of the room frequently interrupting her the
01:10:53
[ __ ] now now according to Texas law anybody who dies in a hospital must be autopsied by the coroner within 24 hours
01:11:00
of their death to determine the cause of death before the body is released wow I
01:11:05
know I thought that was great yeah when Dr bonut informed John that the coroner must be called he acknowledged what the
01:11:11
man was saying but immediately instructed Dr oats to call a funeral home and have them come claim Joan's
01:11:18
body to prepare for her burial as soon as possible um no yeah I would be like you better find out what happened to my
01:11:28
wife like that would wouldn't that be your front you'd be like what the hell happened you would think he thought it
01:11:33
was the flu I'm sorry that's not that you think that's the flu I'd be like even if it started as the flu what the
01:11:40
[ __ ] happened or a bacterial infection and it's like well but why wouldn't you
01:11:43
want to be absolutely sure why wouldn't you exactly and if it's law then let it happen and you're doct why would you
01:11:50
ever step in between that and you're a doctor you know that that's the thing you know the law and it's like why step
01:11:55
in between it if it's only going to give you more information I don't know huh so
01:12:01
the doctor managed to reach the corner sometime between 4: and 6:00 a.m. but by then the body had already been illegally
01:12:07
removed from the hospital and taken to the funeral home to be prepared what later sometime after 7:00 a.m. the
01:12:15
coroner would make his way to the funeral home intending to do the autopsy there yeah but by the time he arrived
01:12:21
the embalming process had already been complet Ed are you [ __ ] me and the technician at that point was moving on
01:12:26
to the Cosmetic procedures what now despite the embalming process already having begun the coroner stopped
01:12:36
the procedure and began his autopsy what he took requisite tissue samples and other biological samples I
01:12:44
guess he's just trying at that point to get well I think at that point he's like
01:12:48
I don't need my [ __ ] license stripped away from me for not doing an autopsy like you're doing what you can do at
01:12:54
this point and I think that's what it was he's trying to follow the law exactly so he took requisite uh
01:12:59
requisite excuse me tissue samples and other biological samples that could possibly help identify the cause of
01:13:04
death but as far as he could tell from his examination there was nothing to indicate what caused Joan to decline so
01:13:10
quickly that's the thing it felt like it was so fast it was a matter of days yeah
01:13:15
he thought it could have been a cause of a cute pancreatitis which could have accounted for a lot of her symptoms but
01:13:21
there were still other symptoms that didn't quite fit now nevertheless pancreatitis was listed
01:13:27
as Jan's cause of death and the funeral was scheduled for March 2st 1969 but in the days that followed
01:13:36
questions and rumors began circulating among Joan and John's Social Circles the top two questions on everybody's lips
01:13:42
were how could Jon a doctor not have recognized the signs of pancreatitis that's what's [ __ ] me up and two why
01:13:50
hadn't he taken her to the hospital soon exactly as Robinson had his own questions and suspicions I positive of
01:13:57
that rather than direct them at JN he instead went to the district attorney's office the day of his daughter's funeral
01:14:03
news of Joan's death had been in all the papers and all of the papers were citing
01:14:08
pancreatitis as the case but Ash explained to the assistant district attorney ID McMaster that he had reason
01:14:15
to believe John was responsible for his daughter's death oh [ __ ] and he cited the following as evidence he so said
01:14:22
number one Joan had been perfectly healthy up to that point yeah number two she only became ill after eating food
01:14:29
and taking taking medication that was given to her by John number three she was obviously very very sick in the days
01:14:36
leading up to her death and Jon didn't take her to a hospital or allow anyone in the house to come see her that's
01:14:44
weird according to him number four he promised to take her to Sharpstown hospital because she was going to
01:14:51
receive the best care possible there but when they arrived the hospital had no ICU available for her like no no bed
01:14:58
available in the ICU and again like I just noted earlier they lacked several of the machines and services that Joan
01:15:05
needed that's the thing it's like he's saying like I made arrangements you didn't make any Arrangements no they
01:15:09
didn't even have a dialysis machine I mean that's insane and now number five he said despite having died within the
01:15:16
window of time necessitating an autopsy her body was whisk whisked away from the
01:15:21
hospital to the funeral home before the coroner even arrived I don't even know how they managed to get away with that I
01:15:28
know and finally he said he consulted with several area Physicians who claimed many of Jan's symptoms did not sound
01:15:34
like symptoms of pancreatitis I mean I don't blame Ash for questioning this I would also question this yeah you I'm
01:15:42
just going to take this as like okay well I guess that's how she died moving on like anyways no and it's like in the
01:15:48
midst of this crazy divorce like I'm not saying John did this one where way or the other but if that was my child and
01:15:55
there was all of the circumstances surrounding this strange sudden death absolutely there it is Texas law here
01:16:03
that she was supposed to have an autopsy and you broke that and it's like and you
01:16:06
went out of your way to make sure she didn't strange that's weird that would be weird to me cuz I'd be like no my
01:16:12
first thing as her like parent would be I want to know exactly what happened here yeah tell me everything I want all
01:16:18
the details I want to know what happened here and as her husband why would you not and your hus that's the thing as
01:16:23
your as her husband you should also feel the exact same way and why don't you you
01:16:27
don't because you're estranged and question mark question mark question to me right yeah so McMaster the district
01:16:34
attorney there listened patiently while Ash spoke and while he was speaking he assumed that the man was still lost in
01:16:41
his grief and just needed to get these accusations out of his symptoms but system you mean system all of his
01:16:47
systems of but with each point Ash's Theory got maybe not stronger but certainly more plausible to the man it's
01:16:54
interesting at the very least yeah and the assistant DA there knew sorry I said the da he's the assistant DA he knew
01:17:00
that when someone as wealthy and Powerful as Ash Robinson spoke he was at the very least to be afforded the
01:17:06
courtesy of being taken seriously so he did yeah but by the end of the conversation McMaster said you know what
01:17:12
I'm going to look into this but that was not enough for ash Robinson he insisted
01:17:17
that they needed to get somebody to the funeral home that day to stop his daughter's body from being put into the
01:17:22
ground Beyond reach he was like you I don't know we're not looking into this we're doing something about this knowing
01:17:29
this would likely be impossible mcmas nonetheless said he would do his best so he reached out to Dr Joseph yahimi I'm
01:17:39
doing my best with that pronunciation I did look it up uh he was the well-respected coroner of Harris County
01:17:45
and McMaster explained everything about the situation to him at first Yim couldn't believe what he was hearing how
01:17:52
was he supposed to stop a funeral right as it was beginning and demand to reexamine the body that's big ask but he
01:17:59
knew that McMaster wasn't going to ask this if he didn't think it was important so he made his way down to the funeral
01:18:04
home where he started reviewing the evidence and preparing to examine the body as mourners began arriving in The
01:18:10
Parlor upstairs this is the honestly one of the most wild things I've ever Wild As far as he could tell the entire
01:18:17
process from the death to the embalming had been complete and utter chaos this is just a lot and although many of
01:18:25
the tissue samples taken by the coroner were still available the fluid samples had already been discarded not that it
01:18:32
would have mattered much because the samples were taken after theing process had begun which is likely why they were
01:18:38
discarded probably So after talking with the coroner and reviewing the documentation he decided there was no
01:18:44
need to remove the body from the casket or disrupt the funeral and he said I think I can make a determination from
01:18:49
the notes and the samples that are still available and like you got to go on with
01:18:54
this funeral people are upstairs like like he's just trying to talk about pressure yeah now while the Harris
01:19:00
County coron reviewed the case Ash started Gathering evidence he believed would prove Jon guilty of murder most
01:19:06
significant he believed were the reports from the maid and the butler Effie and Archie green a married couple oh Effie
01:19:14
and eie and Archie eie and Archie cuties Effy green explained how she had found Joan on the morning that she was taken
01:19:20
to the hospital oh that awful way found her right and how she had seen Jon give Joan pills and she too suspected he was
01:19:29
responsible for her death for Joan's death and she also gave Ash a bottle of pills that she claimed Jon had given her
01:19:37
for her own headaches and told the man that just after Jon had given her the bottle boot told her Effie don't take
01:19:44
those pills you'll go to sleep like my mother did and never wake up oh my God and boot was little at that point oh
01:19:51
boot I don't know if he really said that but that's what what claims but heartbreaking that's true or not that's
01:19:59
a heartbreaking sentence yes the evidence was curious to say the least but McMaster couldn't get around the
01:20:05
fact that and this is just kind of like his opinion he was like if if you guys are so frightened by John Hill and you
01:20:11
think he's a murderer why are you still employed by him um because he's paying them he's Rich doctor that's I'm like
01:20:19
what they can't just quit I don't that's that's kind of that's a silly question it's like their situation you don't what
01:20:26
that's about yeah cuz it's like okay like come on and it's also like cuz I'm [ __ ] terrified of him well that's the
01:20:31
other thing it's like I don't and okay so I care about Joan and boot so I'm just going to leave this house and be
01:20:37
like well they're pretty scary so bye bye see you good luck kid right exactly and it's also Texas they weren't going
01:20:44
to get get a job anywhere else if they left John's yeah exactly he's like High Society [ __ ] exactly he had you got to
01:20:52
take that into consideration with which he didn't but a week or so later Dr yimi
01:20:57
presented his report to the district attorney's office much to the disappointment of Ash Robinson I know
01:21:04
after conducting his own tests on the tissue samples the doctor concluded that Joan had not died from pancreatitis but
01:21:11
he said she died from acute focal hepatitis according to the coroner the blood test conducted upon Joan's arrival
01:21:18
at the hospital ruled out any bacterial infection and the tox psychology report showed no evidence of poison but it had
01:21:26
been taken after inbombing so it was possible that it could have been corrupted but to his best you know
01:21:34
estimation determination she died from acute focal hepatitis okay this will change the results of the second autopsy
01:21:41
were just as crushing for ash Robinson who still believed that Jon was responsible for his daughter's death so
01:21:48
he was not done yet he a dad he's a dad he assembled a panel of doctors to review the findings including Grady hman
01:21:56
one of John Hill's closest friends which I was like interesting that you would put him on the panel yeah the panel
01:22:02
maybe that's like maybe it's to show like that that this is somebody who could be biased but we'll see if he can
01:22:09
just look at the information you know from an unbiased lens as a doctor maybe it was pointed yeah maybe it was so the
01:22:15
panel was immediately skeptical of the findings with one of the Physicians saying I will stake my reputation that
01:22:21
she did not have hepatitis who in addition to the fact that Joan had none of the tell telltale signs of hepatitis
01:22:27
like jaundice they all noted that hepatitis is almost never fatal within the first few days of symptoms yeah so
01:22:33
they were like I don't think so they were like this is pretty wild now encouraged by the opinion of his
01:22:37
assembled panel Ash was hellbent on seeing that Jon was brought to Justice one way or another and to Aid in this
01:22:44
Pursuit he hired former district attorney Frank briso a man known for meticulous research and an impressive
01:22:51
number of winds under his belt that spring briso went to Dr yimi to pose some hypothetical questions he wondered
01:22:59
was it possible for somebody to inject another person with hepatitis or could someone inject another person with a
01:23:06
bacteria that could cause hepatitis whoa now yimi acknowledged that when it came
01:23:11
to such things pretty much anything was possible but those scenarios were highly
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improbable yeah and instead yimi believed that Joan likely contracted the hepatitis from eating shellfish on a
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recent trip to Mexico City O which is possible yeah but then a whole panel of doctors disagreed with like no so it's
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just honestly at this point it's just a bunch of doctors disagreeing yeah whatever information briso was after y
01:23:38
Himi clearly wasn't going to change his opinion on the cause of death he said she died of hepatitis yeah like I
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believe it yeah I'm not saying I believe it he's saying he that in late May another surprising piece of news came
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the Robinson's way though just under 3 months after his wife's death John married Anne John Hill and an Kurth were
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married you've got to be [ __ ] me now it gets worse are you [ __ ] kidding me the news reached Ash by way of a gossip
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columnist that's how he found out and he went straight to Brisco who assured Ash
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that this turn of events actually could be valuable should the case make its way
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to a grand jury that doesn't look good do look good so briso was like honestly I'm so sorry that like you're going
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through this this is terrible but like this could be good for our case cuz it's like even if you didn't do anything dude
01:24:32
three what the [ __ ] do you think that's going to look like months like come on
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you two Jesus doing now in fact less than a year earlier Jon had provided Joan with a document swearing he would
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give up his mistress and commit to working on the marriage so the news of this marriage this new one not only
01:24:50
meant that Jon had you know uh not given up his relationship with Anne but it also implied that he never had any
01:24:57
intention of reconciling with Joan and potentially could have been seeking another way out of the marriage which
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like I said is helpful to a potential case of course so with brisco's help Ash took the new information to ID McMaster
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hoping that the assistant district attorney would reconsider taking the case to a grand jury and as luck would
01:25:16
have it something about the story had been nagging at McMaster since he was first approached by Ash few months
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earlier and actually McMaster was suspicious of Dr yim's conclusion so he consulted an expert on hepatitis from
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the Veterans Administration Hospital who informed him that while it would have been possible to inject somebody with
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hepatitis it still wouldn't have killed Joan so quick that's what's so wild and this person said that if Joan had died
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from hepatitis someone would have noticed the signs of the illness far sooner and treatment would have been
01:25:51
possible yeah and this expert who had said all of this was clear that not having examined the body himself he
01:25:57
couldn't make any determination about the cause of death but based on what McMaster had told him it did not sound
01:26:04
like Joan died from hepatitis damn so for McMaster who had big political Ambitions and sensed a big opportunity
01:26:11
in the case the news of Jon's marriage to an and this conversation that he had with this expert strengthened the case
01:26:18
against Hill the assistant district attorney started building his case against John Hill for the murder of his
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wife holy [ __ ] and that is where we are going to break for part one because I feel like I just threw so much
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information at you oh poor Joan this is like Joan just breaks my heart like cuz it's
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like [ __ ] yeah and it's like that what a horrible horrible death and to have it
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turn into such chaos afterwards when she was already going through chaos in her life and like poor boot
01:26:52
like poor Ash poor all of these so many people involved a tragic case and in part two
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it only gets crazier part two I think is actually longer than part one so you know uh I'm not going to tell you what
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to expect at all from part two because this story is about to take a [ __ ] turn Okay so with that being said we
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hope that you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird but also weird that you
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do mean things to your wife yeah don't cheat on people don't cheat on people don't let them be sick and not do
01:27:29
anything about got it just be a good [Music] person