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hey weirdos I'm Ash and my microphone is
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traveling away from me and I'm Elena and
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my microphone is staying right in front
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of me my microphone oh and this is
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[Music]
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morbid um my microphone loves to just
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like drift off away for me it's like it
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does it's like don't speak she says no
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she says I know just what you're
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thinking it's true she does you know
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what I mean um Ash sings now she's a
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singer did it sound like that did it
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sound like I was like a real
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professional it did it's gorgeous wow I
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have a sore throat so that's interesting
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oh no it's still sore it's a little
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scratchy yeah please stay away from me
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well I'm leaving the country soon
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kidding just kidding no but don't get
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sick for your vacation I would be so
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[ __ ] pissed let me tell you you dare
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do that no I think I'm going to be fine
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I'm going to take some uh this is not
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professional advice but I am going to
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take some Zam it always gets me some
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zinc or Zam
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Zam it's the one that has zinc in it
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zinc yeah you know again not
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professional medical advice no never
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it's like I said the other night I'm
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just a podcast girl I'm just a podcast
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girl okay when I was making that um
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sleepy girl mocktail you add magnesium
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to it but like obviously you should talk
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to your doctor so I was like I'm not
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telling you to do this I'm just a
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podcast girl yeah that's all I know I'm
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not a doctor and I barely know that so
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so really
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honestly honestly
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honestly um but yeah it's been a it's
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been a wild day today we had a meeting
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with like a very cool person today yeah
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we did I thought you were about to just
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go for it I was like wow I'm just edging
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everyone um go watch the rewatcher
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you'll get that joke but uh I forgot we
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were there I was like hey you might want
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to explain that if you watch the
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rewatcher it's a running joke okay I
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didn't just pull that out of my butt but
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yeah it was a cool meeting and hopefully
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it will lead to something cool that you
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guys will know about and we'll let you
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know when that happens that's the goal
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until then that was annoying of me to do
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but I was excited about it I'm excited
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about it too yeah anyway but you know
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what I think I'm really you know just
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stalling the beginning because this case
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is a very sad case very very very sad
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and we are on part two of the byou
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Strangler Ronald Dominique a sad case
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but definitely one wortht telling and I
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think you're doing a really great job so
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far oh thank you very much I hope so
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you're welcome uh yeah this is just one
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of those cases we're in part two now so
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I believe I mean I believe at this point
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we're at close to 10 murders wild he's
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like pretty prolific and just awful and
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the again we're going to see more and
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more the way that this was portrayed in
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the media was pretty shameful a bunch of
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[ __ ] painful um and you know in the
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end the Justice gets served legally but
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it's really unfortunate that the entire
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time it wasn't it was just a [ __ ]
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mess it's just really upsetting but
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let's continue now we are on to 2002 at
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this point wow um so it's pretty rare
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we've talked about this before for a
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serial killer to deescalate yeah much
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harder for them to deescalate right uh
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to stop killing for you know long
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periods of time but it does happened
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remember old [ __ ] flower Dennis Raider
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BTK over in Kansas there he killed 10
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people over a 15year period and then he
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just settled into life as whatever the
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hell he was and ended his reign of
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terror for a long time to be honest so
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it's like there was that happens um also
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Gary Ridgeway who the green R River
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Killer we haven't covered him yet I know
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a lot of people want us to trust me it's
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coming that's an Elena case for sure
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yeah and it's coming up so stay tuned
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for that but he also kind of
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dramatically slowed his activities after
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marrying his third wife in 1988 so it
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does happen oh yeah you i' I've read
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like a little bit about that case and
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you're right yeah can confirm like yes
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you are correct uh it's unclear what
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caused Ronald Dominique to stop killing
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between 2000 and 2002 but he did uh at
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the time he'd been working two jobs and
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had become involved with the Lions Club
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and other community activities so maybe
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he found some kind of degree of social
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acceptance that he was looking for
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didn't like quite feel the same urges he
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felt who knows maybe he was just like
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his mind was elsewhere or maybe he just
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didn't get caught for those specific on
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that's that's a very plausible thing too
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so it's like who knows but from what we
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know there's nothing between those two
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years connected to him uh whatever the
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case may have been though Dominique's
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Hiatus came to an end on October 5th
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2002 when he met 20 yold Kenneth Randol
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a neighbor in hom um remember he had
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moved to H who fit the Killer's victim
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type pretty perfectly on October 6th
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Kenneth Randolph's body was discovered
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face down in a remote cane field in
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rural lefou Parish I've looked all these
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up so I'm trying to see them as well as
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I can sounds good to me he was
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completely nude except for a pair of
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white athletic socks oh God unlike the
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previous victims this body appeared to
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have been posed by the killer as well
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um this is a little gra a little graphic
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just a little upsetting just so you know
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um he was posed so that his like buttock
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stuck out so it was It was obviously
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done to appear very crass like that was
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in and it was supposed to be like a
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humiliating way to Poe someone I [ __ ]
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hate this guy so much he's [ __ ] gross
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he's disgusting just to I I don't
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understand the depra the depravity to do
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that to another person to do any
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anything like this to another person and
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then to to someone like that like the
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the humiliation that he's trying to
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inflict it's like I feel like he is
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humiliated by who he is as a human being
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and who his soul is so he just puts it
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on other people yeah but detectives also
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noticed that um he had the victim had
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marks on his wrists which indicated that
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he had been bound for at least some
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period of time and there were also marks
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around his neck which has become kind of
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a Hallmark here yeah uh the autopsy was
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conducted a few days later by Dr Britney
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Summers who collected the usual hair and
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fiber evidence and also conducted a rape
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kit that they hope could maybe be used
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for a DNA comparison if they ever got a
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suspect yeah Dr Summers concluded that
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Kenneth Randolph had only been dead five
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or six hours when his body had been
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discovered in the field uh so very fresh
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and he had superficial abrasions on his
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arms and legs and a large horizontal
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abrasions stretching from his forehead
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to his
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chest wow there were abrasions on his
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wrists from where he'd been bound and
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one of his wrists had bled indicating
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that the leg ligature was tied really
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tightly and had cut into the skin and he
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was alive for it obviously finally Dr
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Summers concluded that the cause of
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death was strangulation evident by a
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quote hemorrhaging on the underlying
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soft tissue surrounding the hyoid bone
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oh okay uh despite the obvious ligature
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mark on randol's neck Dr Summers was
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unable to determine whether he died from
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a ligature or manual strangulation hm
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which there's a pretty decent ligature
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mark on his neck so I don't know if it
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was just she couldn't tell whether he
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died from that or whether he put his own
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manual pressure onto it I don't know
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it's it that's like strange to me maybe
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they're like signs of both so she
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couldn't say which one he had died from
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yeah cuz I suppose like the hyoid bone
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thing like maybe that could bring it
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into place it's just interesting that
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they weren't able to pin it uh but less
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than 2 weeks after the the discovery of
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Randolph's body in the cane field
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another young black man had gone missing
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from hom uh on the evening of October
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12th 2002 so not long after all not at
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all uh Shelly Weston wasn't too worried
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when her boyfriend 26-year-old Anoka
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Jones hadn't returned after he I guess
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he had just come home a few minutes
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earlier than that and he had brought his
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bicycle in the apartment and then he was
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like oh I'm just gonna go outside for a
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smoke oh so At first she wasn't super
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worried because
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apparently like he would say he would go
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he was going to go out for a smoke and
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that didn't always just entail going out
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for a smoke so like if he didn't come
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back right away it wasn't too alarming
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but then several hours had passed and
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she was like maybe he went somewhere I
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don't know like he does this sometimes
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like she was like uh I guess it's a
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little weird but she wasn't super
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worried at first okay so she kind of
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just went to bed and she was like he'll
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come back in but when she woke up the
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following day he still wasn't home home
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and she hadn't heard from him so she
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became very alarmed and reported him
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missing right away but by then it was
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already too late oh no um Jones's body
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was discovered under the interstate 310
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overpass the following morning he was
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discovered by Officer John Smith um he
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was a patrol officer who just happened
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to be driving in the area wow uh uh
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officer Smith immediately noticed drag
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marks leading from the body to the edge
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of the road which indicated that he was
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obviously dumped there uh otherwise
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looking around the scene there was
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really nothing else to indicate what had
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happened or the cause of death right
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away now at the time of the discovery uh
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Jones was clothed uh but his shirt had
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been pulled halfway up his torso and his
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pants had been pulled down to mid thigh
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uh there was a small amount of dried
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blood around his mouth and surface
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abrasions on his torso and hands okay
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which also could be partially from
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dragging right I was just going to ask
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you that now like the other victims NOA
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Jones's cause of death was aixia by
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strangulation and the manner of death is
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considered to be homicide so right away
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it's fitting right in now through
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interviews with Jones's friends and
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family investigators learned that
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several hours before he'd gone missing
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from his girlfriend's apartment uh an
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NOA Jones and a friend had been
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confronted on the street by two men who
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had pulled up alongside them in a gray
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truck H now according to Jones's friend
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Ron Gibbons Jones Su ran as soon as the
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men got out of the truck so ran away um
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because apparently in the truck there
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was a very known drug dealer that was
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riding in the back seat and I guess this
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I'm not going to name him because you
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know this drug dealer denied any
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knowledge of or having any participation
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in Anoka Jones's murder after this
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because he was obviously brought in
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after that right um but he rattled off a
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list of other associates anyone he knew
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who could have been responsible for the
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murder and he offered up hair and saliva
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samples and he said anything else
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detectives needed to get him off this
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list of suspects wow so he was like I
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did not do this that's very surprising
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them all that being a well-known drug
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dealer yeah and they were able to cross
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him off the list like he didn't do it I
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mean that's nice that he helped I'm glad
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he at least helped a little bit now
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despite being pointed in the direction
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of other of drug dealers detectives in
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lefo Parish had a feeling that Jones's
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murder had nothing to do with drugs
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meanwhile investigators in other
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parishes around New Orleans had began
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reading through reports of unsolved
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murders in surrounding jurisdictions and
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they started noticing the connections
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between their unsolved cases and those
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as far out as H now remember one of the
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things about Ronald Dominique that we
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are going to talk about a lot and
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mention a lot is that he made sure he
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killed in different jurisdictions he not
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only killed people in marginalized
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communities and people he knew were
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going to be vulnerable he also moved it
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around a lot to really make it a mess to
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investigate he really made this as
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[ __ ] horrific as he could for
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everyone inol makes sense for example
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detectives working the Kenneth Randolph
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case and Jefferson Parish arranged to
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speak with the friends and families of
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Anoka Jones hoping they might discover
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any common Associates any enemies that
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they both might have had that maybe led
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to their murders unfortunately other
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than some shared habits and Lifestyles
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that the two men maybe had in common
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they really didn't have a whole lot in
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common other than that uh in most cases
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the murder of a dozen people under very
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similar circumstances would likely cause
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public outrage you would think an
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intense pressure on the police to get
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the person responsible of course I mean
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we've seen it a million times when it's
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a different kind of victim every but
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sometimes the pressure is bad when it's
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a different kind of Victim Because they
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get so pressured that they make mistakes
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or they rush to grab someone who might
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not have done it right here in the case
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of Ronald Dominique the victims were all
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marginalized men of color from
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impoverished communities and they were
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and and the way the media was portraying
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it was they laid quote unquote high-risk
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Lifestyles which is not a [ __ ] thing
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so there was no internal or external
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pressure on the on investigators to
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catch this person it's like why wouldn't
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you just want to anyways and again like
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I said before this was all made even
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more complex and garbled by the fact
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that Dominique committed these crimes in
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multiple
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jurisdictions sometimes as much as 60 or
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70 miles apart wow so he just drove
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around getting close departments to even
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work together can be hard right never
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mind getting that kind of thing like you
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you're contending with a lot a complex
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system and also contending with egos
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pride pride with you know people not
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keeping accurate records or not keep
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keeping you know a good chain of custody
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on evidence or not interviewing the
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right people not having the record they
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need eror human error and you're doing
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it with miles apart trying to put these
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together just like Statewide yeah now
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Anoka Jones was the 12th man killed by
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Ronald Dominique and eight months would
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pass before he killed again it's like he
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should have been stopped at this point
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the fact that so many more people had to
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die because this just wasn't top
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priority is so [ __ ] disgusting that's
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what kills me and it's like this [ __ ]
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this monster took moments of
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deescalation right that's your time use
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that time really hone in stop the next
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room from happening and it feels almost
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like they they didn't I mean I will I
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will say they didn't have a lot of
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evidence to go on either he didn't leave
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a lot of these scenes so I'll say that
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for them like it's not like they had all
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this evidence and they were just
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ignoring it but it's like you got to put
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the nose to the grindstone and you you
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got to try to stop that next where's the
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task force being put together the
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connect that's a good thing that you say
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that cuz we will talk about that ah I'm
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glad you mentioned it because I said the
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same thing I was like Task Force at this
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point 12 murders in like time to set up
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task force time right and also it's like
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you're not warning the correct
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communities of people to be vigilant
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you're leaving pieces out of the puzzle
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because you want people to feel like
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they want to help more which is even
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sadder but you're not warning the right
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people so the right people don't have
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their guards up and it's so interesting
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to me because obviously we're talking
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about quote unquote high-risk Lifestyles
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which we don't even think is a thing but
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that's what they were claiming and it's
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how it was labeled but it's like you
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know sex work is considered quote
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unquote highrisk and even police forces
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will warn sex workers and then they'll
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band together and look out for each
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other once like we've told those kinds
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of stories so it's like Why didn't it
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happen here these people could have
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looked out for one another this is the
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gay community it's the black community
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like yeah they could have looked out for
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one another and would have exactly
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that's the thing it's like you didn't
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even give them a fighting chance and
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it's why [ __ ] up and it's and there's
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points when the next murder happens and
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you say that could have you could have
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at least tried to stop that from
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absolutely and it's and we're going to
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hear some comments about these things
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that are really distressing the way that
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they were looked at and it's just like
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oh no but it's you need to you need to
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hear it because you need to hear how
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awful this was and why a lot of people
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don't know about it right that's wild to
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me that a lot of people I didn't I
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didn't until you brought it up I had
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never heard of of Ronald shameful may
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maybe like heard his name like on a TV
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show or something like that but not as
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much as I should and maybe right like
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cuz I they they don't do any like this
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is not told now on the afternoon of
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Saturday May 24th 2003 18-year-old
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detrell Woods left his mother's house in
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h telling his cousin he was going to
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stay with his girl girlfriend for the
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night now from the moment his friend
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Gary bird Wright had arrived to pick him
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up trell's mother Margaret Woods said
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she had a feeling something bad was
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going to happen to her son oh wow and
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she actually tried to convince him not
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to go out that night oh that's so
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haunting that's a Mama and I oh heart po
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woman and to not be able to convince him
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and then no wor like what what are you
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talking about mom you know I mean like
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yeah of course we all like whatever like
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Mom I'm fine and again detrell was just
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like Mom it's fine like don't worry
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about it and then he reminded her I left
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my bike at Gar so if nothing else I need
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to go get it back and he's like I
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promise you I'm going to be back
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tomorrow oh God and he told her that I
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promise you I'll be back tomorrow the
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next day two men riding dirt bikes in a
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cane field off Highway 56 in Bayou Blue
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discovered detrell Wood's Body laying
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next to his bicycle laying next to his
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bicycle oh my God so he had gone to get
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his bicycle yeah and he was probably
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coming home yep
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now when they'd finally managed to find
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a telephone the two dirt bike riders
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told police they had quote found a black
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man with who was dead and puffy that's
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what they said oh now unfortunately when
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detectives arrived at the scene what
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they were describing was that
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decomposition was well underway uh it
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appeared as if the man had been in the
00:18:20
had been in the field for much longer
00:18:21
than he actually had been is that
00:18:23
because we're dealing with the elements
00:18:24
I think it was mostly the elements but
00:18:26
it it was very interesting to cuz they
00:18:29
were like it really looks like he's been
00:18:30
here longer but he hadn't now among the
00:18:33
first things that hom City detective and
00:18:36
let me just preface this his name Rhymes
00:18:39
it's a little it's it's sometimes you
00:18:41
give you a little giggle little a little
00:18:43
I don't want anyone to think I'm
00:18:44
laughing at anything like inappropriate
00:18:46
it's just this this name Rhymes uh his
00:18:48
name is detective Simon Fryman so all
00:18:51
righty it's pretty awesome
00:18:53
name go detective Fryman so there's your
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quick little like take a breath for a
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minute because this is very heavy so
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take a breath thank you detective Simon
00:19:02
franman for having that name uh but
00:19:04
coming right back into it the one of the
00:19:06
first things that he noticed was that um
00:19:09
Woods wasn't wearing any shoes yet he
00:19:12
had no dirt on the bottom of his feet so
00:19:15
that indicated that he was already dead
00:19:16
when his body was left in the cane field
00:19:18
he obviously didn't walk out there uh
00:19:21
and also the tires on his bike appeared
00:19:23
clean and there weren't any tire tracks
00:19:25
in the dirt which also suggested that
00:19:27
whoever ever had dumped his body had
00:19:30
also carried the bike to the scene
00:19:31
instead of rolling it there which was
00:19:35
that's interesting and that does give
00:19:36
you insight into the kind of possible
00:19:39
builds or strength that this person has
00:19:43
absolutely um they're not only bringing
00:19:46
his body out there with the bike too but
00:19:49
holding the bike not rolling the bike
00:19:52
and it's like that's an inter to me
00:19:54
that's like huh like that should get
00:19:57
when you when you look at Ronald
00:19:59
Dominique when they finally catch him
00:20:01
he's a big guy very intimidating so it's
00:20:03
like that was very telling it's
00:20:06
something small but it's something it's
00:20:08
anything you don't have anything else
00:20:10
you know that's like a little bit
00:20:11
Insight I think I I would I'm assuming
00:20:13
they caught that I would hope but like
00:20:15
that would be first on my mind is like I
00:20:16
think we're looking for someone that's
00:20:18
like big and strong right now the
00:20:20
preliminary autopsy found no signs of
00:20:23
trauma or injury to derrell's body and
00:20:26
there were no signs of defensive wounds
00:20:28
like the preliminary autopsy okay also
00:20:31
it didn't appear as though he'd been
00:20:32
bound at either the wrists or the ankles
00:20:35
the only evidence pointing to murder was
00:20:37
that detrell Woods had been manually
00:20:39
strangled which was the cause of death
00:20:42
okay that's why the preliminary autopsy
00:20:44
like taking a taking one look at the
00:20:46
body the outside that's what a
00:20:47
preliminary one usually is uh they
00:20:50
didn't see anything that would stick out
00:20:52
to them because one he was already in a
00:20:54
a strangely um accelerated state of
00:20:57
decomposition that's kind of throw it
00:20:58
off a little but also that's why you
00:21:00
didn't see any like outside injuries is
00:21:02
cuz he was manually strangled that makes
00:21:04
sense um and which again is strange as
00:21:06
well cuz he wasn't bound yeah we're
00:21:08
going back and forth so it's like how
00:21:10
did that happen but then again this is
00:21:12
an
00:21:13
18-year-old young going up against
00:21:15
Ronald going against this very large man
00:21:18
so I guess I can see that he could
00:21:20
probably do it pretty quickly um now
00:21:23
according to the few friends that he
00:21:26
that they were able to speak to TR was
00:21:29
described by them as slow in his
00:21:32
learning capabilities okay which just
00:21:35
goes to show you he was vulnerable yeah
00:21:37
he was part of that whole Ronald
00:21:40
Dominique is a is a little monstrous
00:21:44
[ __ ] and he goes after marginalized and
00:21:47
vulnerable people who and it's like it's
00:21:50
just like [ __ ] up when you hear that
00:21:51
you're like that's so [ __ ] up it is
00:21:54
like that's uh it just makes me so
00:21:56
angry but it's another level of [ __ ]
00:21:59
up upon every other level that he's
00:22:00
already checked off it really is and it
00:22:02
just like it makes you know it makes drr
00:22:05
so much more vulnerable to like [ __ ]
00:22:07
Predators like this and it's really
00:22:09
upsetting to think about but like nearly
00:22:12
all of Dominique's victims uh detrell
00:22:14
Woods had been somewhat known to police
00:22:16
for like some minor offenses and
00:22:18
according to detective and this is the
00:22:20
part that's really going to get your
00:22:21
blood boiling everybody so get ready
00:22:23
according to detective Dennis thoron
00:22:26
when it came to investigating murders of
00:22:28
people they considered on the fringes of
00:22:30
proper Society I will say they described
00:22:33
it as quote the attitude was don't break
00:22:36
your neck they were like like don't
00:22:39
don't put yourself out investigating
00:22:41
these kind of murders don't put yourself
00:22:43
up any like don't break your neck trying
00:22:46
to investigate these kind of person that
00:22:48
gets killed in your jurisdiction you
00:22:51
should break your neck like what you
00:22:53
should do your [ __ ] damnedest because
00:22:55
that's the job you took well and think
00:22:57
about like and they didn't say you know
00:22:59
try your hardest for like these certain
00:23:02
kind of people don't break your neck
00:23:03
over it like don't don't don't put
00:23:05
yourself up wow and it's like they're
00:23:07
not even being subtle about that he said
00:23:10
that with his whole
00:23:12
chest like he said the quiet part out
00:23:15
loud that man just said Yep this is the
00:23:19
attitude everybody had and he said hello
00:23:21
I'm a racist like what the [ __ ] like how
00:23:26
like you got to start thinking about it
00:23:29
you're like cuz we look at these serial
00:23:30
killers and we're like how do how does a
00:23:32
human being get to that point where they
00:23:34
just have no Humanity left in them like
00:23:36
how how is that part of the human
00:23:39
species that person but then you see
00:23:41
that people outside of that who are
00:23:45
supposed to be fighting against this and
00:23:47
are supposed to be and it's like how the
00:23:49
[ __ ] are you like you're just like oh my
00:23:51
God like it it's upsetting to think that
00:23:53
people in power like that and people in
00:23:56
Authority can have those kind of like
00:23:58
biases and thoughts like some people are
00:24:01
worth it and some people aren't like
00:24:03
that should never cross your mind who
00:24:06
the [ __ ] are you to decide that's the
00:24:08
thing who the [ __ ] are you that's the
00:24:10
thing like like who what makes you I
00:24:12
don't what makes you any better than
00:24:14
anybody else don't get it and I'm like I
00:24:16
know none of us are perfect none of us
00:24:19
have a squeaky clean from day one
00:24:22
[ __ ] reput it's like everybody has
00:24:24
made mistakes everybody has stepped out
00:24:26
of the line a little bit everybody has
00:24:28
done something regretful in their life
00:24:30
if you say you haven't you are lying and
00:24:32
enjoy your ignorance but you all
00:24:35
everybody so it's like for you to be
00:24:37
able to judge someone else so harshly
00:24:40
while sitting there with dirt on you too
00:24:43
is so wild to me cuz I'm like we're all
00:24:46
we're all unclean everybody we're all
00:24:49
just doing our best most of us are out
00:24:50
here trying to do our best but it
00:24:52
doesn't look like you are when you're
00:24:54
acting that way to your fellow human no
00:24:57
who
00:24:58
and you talk to like these you read
00:25:01
about these family members and Friends
00:25:03
of these young men right most of them
00:25:06
that I have read all of the ones that
00:25:07
I've read that have spoken about it have
00:25:09
said that these men were trying to like
00:25:12
get themselves back on track they had
00:25:15
families they had kids in most cases
00:25:18
they were working they were just trying
00:25:20
to like get themselves above water and
00:25:22
it's like everyone's been there well and
00:25:24
also everybody is somebody somebody it
00:25:27
EXA I think that's the attitude that you
00:25:30
should have if you're an investigator
00:25:33
everybody is somebody somebody and as
00:25:35
because you're somebody somebody and you
00:25:37
have somebody yeah how do you not look
00:25:39
at it like that how do you not see that
00:25:41
cuz when working in the morg that's how
00:25:43
we looked at every single person who
00:25:45
came in there is this is somebody's
00:25:47
somebody so you treat it like it's your
00:25:49
somebody exactly because I would want
00:25:51
somebody to my somebody as their
00:25:53
somebody in that situation right so it's
00:25:56
just and it's also just like I don't
00:25:58
understand why we're going off but I
00:26:00
don't understand why you go into this
00:26:01
line of work if that's not how you think
00:26:03
I know like I don't you he sometimes
00:26:07
it's a power thing it isely it's not
00:26:10
some people are there to help and to be
00:26:14
the person that like takes care of
00:26:16
people and is there to you know stop
00:26:19
danger and keep people safe and then
00:26:22
some of them get into it because they
00:26:24
like the power yeah it's an ego thing
00:26:26
like we've all been around those kind we
00:26:28
sure have so we we've all said that with
00:26:31
a heavy hand so we all know those kinds
00:26:34
oh that's just really sad and I can't
00:26:36
imagine having to read that later as
00:26:38
somebody's family M and just knowing
00:26:39
that they were like we're not going to
00:26:40
break your neck to figure out break our
00:26:42
necks to figure out what happened to
00:26:43
your child and it's like wow okay I'm
00:26:45
glad he got like called out for saying
00:26:47
that yeah now a year and a half passed
00:26:50
before Ronald Dominy killed again so see
00:26:53
another deescalation and he went he goes
00:26:55
like boom boom boom boom boom one
00:26:57
there's like six days in between them
00:26:59
and then it's like drops off goes hard
00:27:02
and then he stops for a while and
00:27:03
they're not making Headway and it's like
00:27:05
take these opportunities to make the
00:27:07
Headway right but he had been laid off
00:27:10
from his job at Caro produce in January
00:27:12
of 2004 but he quickly found another job
00:27:15
with a maintenance company and he worked
00:27:17
there for six months and then he left
00:27:19
there for another job not not keeping a
00:27:22
job the classic serial killer a
00:27:23
maintenance guy can you imagine that guy
00:27:25
going into your [ __ ] house and then
00:27:28
he got a job as a meter reader for an
00:27:29
electric company which was a job that
00:27:31
required him to spend considerable time
00:27:34
driving the back roads of Bayou Blue in
00:27:36
the surrounding area now one of those
00:27:39
areas was de alamans which I think I
00:27:42
said that right I looked it up a million
00:27:44
times de alamans an unincorporated
00:27:46
region that fell in both St Charles and
00:27:49
lefou parishes we're in Louisiana yeah
00:27:52
yeah um in late October Hurricane
00:27:55
Matthew hit the greater New Orleans area
00:27:58
There Was 80 mph winds I mean it caused
00:28:00
havoc and especially in the landscape uh
00:28:03
in De alans this unincorporated area so
00:28:06
when the storm had finally passed
00:28:08
through Jeff Murrow had gone out to
00:28:10
survey the damage around town okay you
00:28:12
know just one of the residents just
00:28:13
going around right that's when he
00:28:15
noticed the body of a young man lying
00:28:17
beside a pool or excuse me a pond about
00:28:20
20 minutes from his home so Jeff Murrow
00:28:23
headed back to his house to get his
00:28:25
neighbor his neighbor was Don Jerome who
00:28:27
was a criminalist with the St Charles
00:28:29
sheriff's department so he was like
00:28:31
you're a good push to have yeah uh they
00:28:33
both returned to the pond and he helped
00:28:36
survey the scene now during this like
00:28:38
initial examination of the body at the
00:28:40
scene Jerome was unable to find any
00:28:42
identification on the victim uh this
00:28:45
man's body was extremely wet quote
00:28:47
unquote which indicated that the killer
00:28:50
had dumped the this uh man's body during
00:28:53
the hurricane oh this suggested that he
00:28:56
was desperate to get rid of this man's
00:28:59
body yeah once detectives arrived on the
00:29:02
scene Jerome took photographs and
00:29:04
searched for any evidence on or around
00:29:06
this man's body but found nothing now
00:29:08
the autopsy was conducted the following
00:29:10
day and during this uh Dr Frank Johnson
00:29:13
determined quote whoever had killed the
00:29:15
victim had used a lot of force oh wow
00:29:19
also Johnson um discovered the victim
00:29:21
had suffered blunt force trauma to his
00:29:23
shoulder lower back and buttocks and
00:29:26
clotted blood was in the muscles of the
00:29:28
neck which um was indicative of very
00:29:32
strong strangulation wow very
00:29:34
aggressive despite all this evidence of
00:29:38
violence the cause of death was listed
00:29:40
as accidental cocaine
00:29:45
overdose what yep why I want you to hear
00:29:50
that again Dr Frank Johnson said that
00:29:52
the victim was killed using a lot of
00:29:56
force that's a quote
00:29:58
and then said that there was blunt force
00:30:00
trauma to his shoulder lower back and
00:30:03
buttocks and clotted blood in the
00:30:05
muscles of the neck indicative of
00:30:08
strangulation but the cause of death is
00:30:10
accidental cocaine overdose
00:30:14
how what yeah I don't like how did they
00:30:17
get away with that how did they get away
00:30:19
with a lot of this was there even any
00:30:20
cocaine in this person's system like
00:30:22
what no idea blunt force trauma to
00:30:26
cocaine overdose
00:30:27
yeah yeah in the middle of a
00:30:31
hurricane what like it's
00:30:35
like is there even any damage to the
00:30:37
heart whatsoever doesn't make any sense
00:30:40
what now and again we don't we still
00:30:42
don't know who this person is so
00:30:44
fingerprints taken by the coroner turned
00:30:46
out to be a match for 46-year-old Larry
00:30:49
Matthews um police reports described him
00:30:52
as quote somewhat homeless which I was
00:30:54
like the [ __ ] does that me i to describe
00:30:56
someone and Matthews apparently had few
00:30:59
Connections in the area and according to
00:31:01
his brother though there was no one who
00:31:04
would have wanted to hurt him no and a
00:31:06
day later however detectives in Tibido
00:31:08
got a call from Homa police saying that
00:31:12
they had a man in custody by the name of
00:31:14
Jim Jim jarmin and this man named Jim
00:31:16
jarmin had information about the murder
00:31:19
of Larry Matthews huh now according to
00:31:21
jarmin he had been visiting a friend in
00:31:23
Tibido a few nights earlier when Larry
00:31:26
Matthews showed up at the house and the
00:31:28
two men got talking about drugs this is
00:31:30
According to Jim jarmin by the way who's
00:31:33
currently being held held now According
00:31:36
to Jim jarmin Matthews told him he knew
00:31:38
where he could get some drugs and some
00:31:40
sex workers but in order to do so he'd
00:31:43
need to borrow Jim jarman's car so jarm
00:31:47
agreed and gave Matthews the keys but
00:31:50
Matthews never returned which is why
00:31:53
jarmin contacted police and actually
00:31:55
filed a police report for his missing
00:31:58
car okay it's a very strange story don't
00:32:01
know if that whole thing at that is all
00:32:03
from Jim jarmin we do know that
00:32:05
apparently he filed a police report
00:32:07
because his car was missing because he
00:32:08
thought Larry Matthews had run off with
00:32:10
it okay so using the information
00:32:13
provided by jarmin detectives were able
00:32:15
to trace Larry Matthews movements back
00:32:17
to a party where he'd left from but
00:32:20
beyond that they really had nothing to
00:32:21
work with a day later the car Matthews
00:32:24
had left in was found to be in the
00:32:25
possession of four young men who fled
00:32:28
after being pulled over and the car was
00:32:30
impounded and then returned to Jim
00:32:32
jarmin this is strange so they claimed
00:32:35
that there appeared to be no signs of
00:32:37
violence or foul play at the scene or in
00:32:40
the car and so detectives stuck with the
00:32:42
cause of death provided by the coroner
00:32:45
and the case was officially closed
00:32:46
that's the wildest thing I've ever heard
00:32:48
in my entire life wild trauma nope
00:32:51
cocaine nope cocaine and indicative of
00:32:54
strangulation nope cocaine so so Ronald
00:32:57
Dominique waited less than 2 weeks to
00:33:00
kill again like we said he goes through
00:33:01
these bursts in late October 2004 the
00:33:04
owners of Gator storage which was a self
00:33:06
storage business in Bayou Blue they got
00:33:09
a complaint from a customer who was
00:33:11
saying there was a bad smell coming from
00:33:13
one of the units so they went out to
00:33:15
check the offending unit and they found
00:33:17
out that it it wasn't held by padlocks
00:33:20
and chains which was typical of a
00:33:22
storage unit yeah it was held shut with
00:33:24
only a twist tie what so the woman
00:33:28
noticed the smell right away and she
00:33:30
also noticed a dark fluid resembling
00:33:32
blood seeping out from under the storage
00:33:35
unit door that's absolutely terrifying
00:33:36
she opened the door to the unit and she
00:33:38
was confronted with the dead body of a
00:33:40
man she believed to be middle-aged maybe
00:33:42
in his 50s oh God so hom police were
00:33:45
dispatched to Gator storage and they
00:33:47
were accompanied by the tabone I believe
00:33:50
that's how you say it I hope I said it
00:33:51
right terbo Parish sheriff's deputies
00:33:54
they immediately learned that the
00:33:55
business had very little if any security
00:33:57
measures in place especially for you
00:34:00
know a storage business yeah there were
00:34:02
no cameras no alarms come on no other
00:34:06
technology that they could rely on for
00:34:07
any help or leads which is probably why
00:34:10
this one was chosen in fact the only
00:34:12
thing detectives had to work with was
00:34:14
the list of 50 or so names of renters
00:34:16
that were provided to them by the owners
00:34:18
of Gator storage wow and they ran
00:34:20
through every name on it and they still
00:34:22
had no idea who the man in the storage
00:34:24
shed was or how he got in there in the
00:34:26
first place okay so the body was
00:34:28
initially labeled a John do mhm and was
00:34:31
transported to the coroner's office due
00:34:33
to the heat and humidity in the storage
00:34:35
unit the state of deom was very far
00:34:38
along much too far along to determine
00:34:42
really much of anything other than that
00:34:44
this victim was a white male and in his
00:34:46
early 20s wow so they thought he was in
00:34:48
his 50s that's how decomposed his body
00:34:51
was um and that there was no signs
00:34:54
obvious signs of trauma to the body but
00:34:57
again that's tough yeah autopsy
00:34:59
technicians move the body to
00:35:00
Refrigeration hoping an identification
00:35:02
would come and provide some more details
00:35:05
now a couple days later Homa police
00:35:07
receive a call from a local business
00:35:09
owner named Francis Barber she was
00:35:12
concerned that she hadn't seen or heard
00:35:14
from her friend Michael Barnett the last
00:35:16
time she'd seen him was on Friday
00:35:18
October 24th when he left her apartment
00:35:20
on his bicycle telling her he had plans
00:35:22
to meet a girl at a nearby fire station
00:35:25
detective showed Barber a sketch of a
00:35:28
dragon tattoo that they had actually
00:35:29
taken from the body they found in the
00:35:32
freezer or excuse me in the storage unit
00:35:34
y uh and Barbara confirmed that it was
00:35:36
indeed Michael Barnett's tattoo saying
00:35:39
quote I'm positively sure Michael has
00:35:41
that tattoo I remember seeing it many
00:35:43
times now while detectives finished up
00:35:45
their interview with Francis Barber
00:35:47
detective Simon our friend detective
00:35:49
Simon there yeah went to the fire
00:35:51
station to talk to anyone who was on
00:35:53
duty that night that the man was said to
00:35:55
be on his way there but no one
00:35:57
remembered having seen him and no one
00:35:59
saw anything out of the ordinary that
00:36:01
night so it didn't appear that he had
00:36:02
made it there right now they only had a
00:36:04
kind of tentative identification at this
00:36:06
point a tattoo is a pretty good identif
00:36:08
but you can't you can't use it as like
00:36:11
word you know but investigators
00:36:13
interviewed Michael Barnett's friends
00:36:15
and family hoping it would lead them to
00:36:17
physical evidence they could use to
00:36:19
confirm the identification in the
00:36:21
process they learned that Barnett had
00:36:23
come to Louisiana from Mississippi
00:36:25
several years earlier and had on and off
00:36:27
again relationships with his friends and
00:36:29
family but they too had grown concerned
00:36:32
about him when several weeks had passed
00:36:34
and they hadn't heard from him they were
00:36:35
like yeah it's like you know it's it's
00:36:36
on and off like how everything's going
00:36:38
tumultuous [ __ ] like you know every
00:36:40
family whatever but they were like we
00:36:42
were worried when we hadn't heard from
00:36:43
him and like it wasn't that wasn't
00:36:45
normal yeah now according to two of
00:36:48
Barnett's friends he' recently moved in
00:36:50
with a new roommate named Dorian Bates
00:36:53
and they felt certain that Dorian was
00:36:55
involved in whatever ever happened to
00:36:57
their friend okay which is
00:36:59
interesting meanwhile another detective
00:37:02
Don berson had received a warrant for
00:37:05
Barnett's apartment and she was hoping
00:37:08
that there they would be able to find
00:37:09
fingerprints or other physical evidence
00:37:11
to confirm this identification finally
00:37:14
but it seemed Barnett had very few
00:37:16
belongings at the time of his death but
00:37:18
buron did discover that Barnett lived in
00:37:21
a group home in his Youth and I this
00:37:24
girl like this detective I'm like girl
00:37:27
yes she went for it she did cuz she
00:37:29
found out when he was younger he lived
00:37:31
in a group home and she was like hm I
00:37:34
bet he saw a dentist there a so by the
00:37:37
time she tracked the dentist down he had
00:37:39
retired and had sold his practice [ __ ]
00:37:42
but she was like who you sell I'm going
00:37:44
to talk to the new owner so she talked
00:37:45
to the new owner the new owner kept all
00:37:48
the old records and faxed bar Barnett's
00:37:50
dental records to the homah police
00:37:53
department and they were used to
00:37:55
successfully identify by the body
00:37:57
discovered in the gator storage unit as
00:37:59
being that of Michael Barnett which but
00:38:02
also you're happy that he wasad to be
00:38:04
identified yeah and I'm glad that that
00:38:07
detective took all those step like she
00:38:09
went the distance to find those records
00:38:12
she put her [ __ ] neck out for it she
00:38:13
did now the local papers picked up on
00:38:15
the story before detectives even knew
00:38:17
the victim's name and the Press didn't
00:38:19
hesitate to connect this latest uh
00:38:21
victim to the serial killer stalking
00:38:23
Suburban New Orleans this time however
00:38:26
there was a break in the pattern it
00:38:28
seemed Not only was Michael Barnett a
00:38:30
white man yeah but the killer had also
00:38:33
gone out of his way to hide his body he
00:38:36
hadn't left him out in the open which he
00:38:37
usually does he's usually pretty
00:38:39
conspicuous uh unfortunately while
00:38:41
detectives also agreed that this was
00:38:43
most likely the work of this serial
00:38:45
killer that they didn't know who it was
00:38:46
at this point they found themselves at
00:38:49
another dead end oh you know like
00:38:51
they're not giving they're not getting
00:38:52
anything new here they had managed to
00:38:54
get as far as identifying this victim
00:38:56
but there was really no other evidence
00:38:57
at the scene the list of storage unit
00:39:00
renters went nowhere they looked into
00:39:02
all of them right so there was little
00:39:04
else that they could do but wait until
00:39:05
the killer found another victim
00:39:07
basically which is what they would end
00:39:09
up doing a lot now as it turned out Homa
00:39:13
detectives didn't have to wait long to
00:39:16
see another victim on the morning of
00:39:18
February 20th 2005 a father and son were
00:39:21
out riding their dirt bikes with a
00:39:23
friend in a grassy Fields behind the hom
00:39:26
shrin Center when one of them noticed
00:39:28
some clothing laying on the ground they
00:39:30
went up to it to inspect further and
00:39:32
realized it was in fact a person lying
00:39:34
on the ground but they couldn't tell
00:39:36
whether he was alive they thought maybe
00:39:38
he was maybe just drunk and passed out
00:39:40
sleeping it off on a field yeah they've
00:39:42
seen that before apparently or they were
00:39:44
like I didn't know if he was dead or
00:39:45
unconscious yeah yeah so they called the
00:39:47
homea police who were immediately
00:39:49
dispatched to the scene detective Simon
00:39:52
was among the first to arrive at what
00:39:54
was you know now a familiar scen
00:39:57
unfortunately the man was lying on his
00:39:59
side wearing only blue jeans and socks
00:40:01
and he had clear ligature marks on his
00:40:03
neck and wrists um as he was bagging one
00:40:06
of the victim's hands for processing
00:40:08
detective Fryman got a look at the young
00:40:09
man's face and was shocked to realize
00:40:13
that he knew who this person was oh wow
00:40:15
this was 22-year-old Leon ler Rett one
00:40:18
of the suspects in the murder of Anoka
00:40:21
Jones oh wow the last person and it was
00:40:25
one of the asked people to see Jones
00:40:27
alive what the [ __ ] and that's just by
00:40:30
happen stance it's wild so like so many
00:40:34
other of Dominique's victims Leon had
00:40:36
struggled to maintain stable housing and
00:40:38
had been arrested a few times for petty
00:40:41
crimes um he would associate with some
00:40:43
drug dealers in the area like that's how
00:40:45
police knew him yeah detective Fryman
00:40:48
immediately tracked down all those known
00:40:50
associates but none of them had seen
00:40:52
Leon for several days and his family
00:40:54
hadn't heard from him that time either
00:40:56
yeah now eventually Fryman tracked
00:40:58
Leon's movements to the sugar bow Motel
00:41:01
which was a local location that's pretty
00:41:03
popular with sex workers and those
00:41:05
looking to procure their services um
00:41:08
according to two witnesses at the motel
00:41:10
Leon had been seen a couple of days
00:41:12
before his death with another white guy
00:41:14
driving an older looking Chevrolet
00:41:16
Suburban okay now while Fryman work the
00:41:20
streets trying to tack down anyone who
00:41:22
could help them find the killer an
00:41:24
autopsy technician began doing a primary
00:41:27
analysis of Leon's body as far as they
00:41:30
could tell Leon had been dead for about
00:41:32
24 to 36 hours before he was found
00:41:35
hemorrhaging in both eyes indicated that
00:41:38
the cause of death was likely Strang
00:41:39
strangulation and there was evidence to
00:41:41
suggest that he had been sexually
00:41:42
assaulted oh no now according to the
00:41:45
autopsy technician quote the victim was
00:41:47
extremely drunk at the time of his death
00:41:49
and it would not have taken much force
00:41:51
to strangle him he Tak advantage of in a
00:41:53
big way also the autopsy confirmed
00:41:56
confirmed that Leon had been killed in
00:41:57
almost exactly the same way as the other
00:42:00
suspected serial killer murder victims
00:42:03
this was there was very little doubt at
00:42:04
this point that he was part of this body
00:42:07
count right now we're going to go into
00:42:10
the last phase of murders between 2005
00:42:13
and 2006 now once again Ronald
00:42:17
Dominique's choice of victims which are
00:42:19
marginalized transient you know uh what
00:42:22
the media was La calling high risk
00:42:26
uh vulnerable people um and his
00:42:29
propensity to move between jurisdictions
00:42:31
as he killed had worked to his Advantage
00:42:33
unfortunately right he left almost no
00:42:36
evidence at the scene of any of these
00:42:39
men's bodies and lon's transient
00:42:42
lifestyle made it incredibly difficult
00:42:44
for detectives to just Trace his
00:42:45
movements they were trying to figure out
00:42:47
where he'd been and it was hard um while
00:42:49
this had allowed him to be you know
00:42:51
successfully evade capture since the
00:42:53
late 1990s by 2005 it it also made him
00:42:56
more Brazen as well he was becoming way
00:42:59
more Brazen I was waiting for that which
00:43:01
is usually when they [ __ ] up and they
00:43:03
get caught you would hope so now also
00:43:05
Dominique's body count was rising and
00:43:08
everyone in and around New Orleans was
00:43:09
beginning to take note every time any
00:43:12
body was found anywhere finally now by
00:43:15
the time the body of 31-year-old August
00:43:17
Watkins was discovered in a field behind
00:43:19
the Lache Work Release Center
00:43:22
investigators knew there was no longer
00:43:24
POS it wasn't going to be possible to
00:43:26
conduct this investigation quietly and
00:43:28
out of the public eye you know they were
00:43:30
trying to keep a lot of things quiet I'm
00:43:31
surprised they were able to for as long
00:43:33
as they did me too but it was honestly
00:43:35
becoming detrimental because so much
00:43:37
speculation was happening now Watkins
00:43:40
was a black man known to police for some
00:43:42
petty crimes but and you know he had a
00:43:44
history of like unstable housing and
00:43:46
employment yeah now at the time of his
00:43:48
death Watkins had just been evicted from
00:43:50
his apartment and he'd been sleeping in
00:43:52
the stairway underneath the Homa tunnel
00:43:54
oh that's the saddest thing ever I know
00:43:56
like now an autopsy confirmed that
00:43:58
Watkins cause of death was strangulation
00:44:01
yeah the discovery of August Watkins was
00:44:04
meant that he was the 17th victim wow
00:44:07
this
00:44:08
killer this prompted the hom police
00:44:11
chief Pat budro to call a press
00:44:14
conference and he said I think there is
00:44:16
enough evidence to be concerned there is
00:44:18
a serial killer in our area 17 bodies I
00:44:20
would f w yeah thank you for finally
00:44:22
coming to that he pointed to the
00:44:24
unsolved murders of all these men in
00:44:26
parishes around New Orleans and told the
00:44:28
press that law enforcement officials
00:44:30
from various agencies had been working
00:44:32
together to determine whether the
00:44:34
murders of Anoka Jones detrell Woods
00:44:37
Michael Barnett Leon Lett and August
00:44:40
Watkins were related um Chief
00:44:42
investigator for St Charles Parish uh
00:44:45
Sam Zena told reporters we think without
00:44:48
question Jones fits into the group with
00:44:50
hom and laforsch as far as Lifestyles
00:44:53
and being found along the same Corridor
00:44:55
area so they're at least coming forward
00:44:58
with something something finally now in
00:45:02
all the counties where Dominique's
00:45:03
victims had been discovered
00:45:05
investigators did their best to
00:45:06
coordinate with one another like we were
00:45:08
saying right but what they really needed
00:45:11
was an official state sanctioned task
00:45:14
force like brought up and it should have
00:45:17
been happening so much earlier than this
00:45:19
way earlier and when you finally get
00:45:22
that official state sanctioned task
00:45:25
force you get all the resources that
00:45:27
come with that exactly and they needed
00:45:29
it badly and they needed it so much
00:45:32
earlier than this I mean when they were
00:45:34
hitting those long stretches of like
00:45:36
eight months a year between murders that
00:45:39
task force should have been put in into
00:45:41
position so that they could use all that
00:45:44
[ __ ] to move it forward they were just
00:45:45
sitting there with this stale case and
00:45:47
letting another body appear at a nowhere
00:45:50
didn't care enough and it's like what
00:45:51
the [ __ ] again we've seen task force
00:45:55
work so well before we've seen way
00:45:57
sooner now unfortunately the federal
00:46:01
authorities found the links between the
00:46:03
cases their high-risk Lifestyles quote
00:46:05
unquote too tenuous to justify the cost
00:46:08
of a Statewide task force they were all
00:46:10
killed in exactly the same manner and a
00:46:13
lot of them were disposed of in the same
00:46:15
manner it's a it's a polite uh a polite
00:46:19
way of saying that the victims gay black
00:46:23
men who some were involved in sex work
00:46:27
yeah had a transient lifestyle saying
00:46:29
that they weren't exactly sympathetic
00:46:31
enough to Warrant the expense of similar
00:46:34
task Forces ones that at the time had
00:46:38
been recently assembled to catch Baton
00:46:41
Rouge serial killer Derek toddle whose
00:46:44
victims were white college
00:46:46
co-eds that's so [ __ ] up so they that
00:46:50
one they're saying they're saying
00:46:52
quietly they're making sure that one
00:46:54
stays a little more subtle but that's
00:46:57
what they were saying that's it's just
00:46:59
so sad how 17 young men not justify a
00:47:04
task force I don't get that and how do
00:47:07
you think that and I don't give a [ __ ]
00:47:09
what the reasoning is the fact that so
00:47:11
many people had to get together and
00:47:13
decide upon this and they all
00:47:14
collectively came to the same decision
00:47:16
no one was like what the [ __ ] guys like
00:47:19
you have to hope that somebody sitting
00:47:20
in one of those rooms was like are you
00:47:22
[ __ ] kidding me but they didn't have
00:47:23
P yeah now it's awful that's so
00:47:27
disheartening it is now the increased
00:47:30
press coverage of the case and the
00:47:31
speculation from various Outlets that
00:47:33
the cases might be linked was precisely
00:47:36
the kind of attention that they did need
00:47:39
to move that needle in the right
00:47:40
direction because people were starting
00:47:42
to put these together so following the
00:47:44
discovery of August Watkins a small
00:47:47
amount of resources was allocated to
00:47:49
finally assemble a task force to catch
00:47:52
this killer so it was as soon as they
00:47:54
came out and said you know what I don't
00:47:56
think it's fine it's tenuous we're not
00:47:58
really worried about it that's when
00:47:59
finally the pressure came in where they
00:48:01
were like whoo whoa whoo there's 17 dead
00:48:04
bodies here let's let's get it together
00:48:07
and finally the right communities are
00:48:09
hearing about it too and they're able to
00:48:10
put pressure on finally because they're
00:48:12
finally hearing that they together so
00:48:15
this included law enforcement from each
00:48:17
of the parishes with in in which each of
00:48:20
the victims were discovered so this is a
00:48:21
lot of parishes coming together for this
00:48:23
task force too that's great and they
00:48:25
started with Oliver Le Banks remember
00:48:27
Oliver yes like for some reason Oliver
00:48:30
like just like when you look up that you
00:48:32
look up at pictures of these men and I'm
00:48:33
telling you it's going to rip your heart
00:48:35
out Oliver has a very familiar face he
00:48:37
does he reminds me of someone but look
00:48:40
up pictures of these men cuz I'm telling
00:48:43
you it's going to it's going to tear
00:48:44
your and and I don't mean crime scene
00:48:46
photos I mean like photos of who they
00:48:48
are who they were in their lives and
00:48:50
it's like they that'll make you realize
00:48:52
how if you haven't already realized how
00:48:54
horrific it is that they were completely
00:48:56
ignored and just treated as trash and
00:48:58
yeah completely dehumanized yeah so they
00:49:01
started with Oliver Le Banks and they
00:49:02
went through the most recent victim
00:49:04
August Watkins with this task force and
00:49:07
finally we're going to see a little
00:49:09
movement forward in this case that's
00:49:11
where she's going to that is where I'm
00:49:12
going to leave off on part two oh my
00:49:14
gosh you know what though that was a
00:49:16
very heavy episode so I think you're
00:49:18
you're leaving you're leaving us with
00:49:19
some hope which I have to thank you for
00:49:21
and have hope because because my God in
00:49:24
part three we're gonna have we have some
00:49:26
more heavy stuff coming up but it's just
00:49:29
it's a lot to take in out at once yeah
00:49:31
but we are going to get a little bit
00:49:34
we're going to get something at the end
00:49:35
we're moving in the right direction I
00:49:36
promise you we will finally see but
00:49:39
just understand how ofly this case was
00:49:43
represented in the Press when it was
00:49:45
represented at all I don't know how you
00:49:47
couldn't at this point it's wild to me
00:49:51
wow but stay poor families that had to
00:49:54
sit around years and years and years and
00:49:56
just think like well is is the day ever
00:49:59
going to come that I'm going to find out
00:50:00
what happened to my kid these families
00:50:02
had to push just to get their family
00:50:05
members treated like human beings and
00:50:06
then they also had to sit there like we
00:50:08
have in part three we'll talk about it
00:50:10
these these families would have to talk
00:50:12
to reporters just to try to get it
00:50:13
moveed forward and they would have to be
00:50:15
like yeah my son you know my mes he like
00:50:19
he had some tough struggles in life but
00:50:21
like he was doing this it's like you
00:50:22
should have to validate why your child
00:50:26
or why this person that you love is a
00:50:28
human being that deserves to be treated
00:50:30
like a human being like that's so sad
00:50:31
that you have to validate that like yeah
00:50:34
he made mistakes but he was doing better
00:50:35
and it's like that's okay that he made
00:50:37
mistakes he's still a person so gross
00:50:39
that people are put in that position
00:50:41
it's just upset but no I'm glad that
00:50:42
we're going to get some kind of Justice
00:50:44
in part three so so stay tuned for part
00:50:47
three yeah and with that being said we
00:50:50
hope you keep listening and we hope you
00:50:52
keep weird I don't have to tell you
00:50:55
that's weird it's really sad God
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