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Hey weirdos. I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is Morbid. >> It is. >> I'm covered in soy sauce,
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>> you guys. No, I am. Did you not see Mikey Mike? How did like a weird uh like 900 number beginning to like like some
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kind of weird like >> 100% >> cut it like sexy >> that you were like hello I'm covered in
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soy sauce. >> Is there a sexy way to say that? I mean >> hey big boy. >> There's something for everyone.
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>> Covered in soy sauce. >> I'm not here to kink shame. >> Me either. If that's your kink that's
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niche. >> Then get yourself some soy sauce. Yeah, we got Chinese food today and I opened
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my like packet a little bit and I was like, it's fine. Cuz I was nervous. I was like, oh, I don't want to open it
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too much cuz it'll get all over my shirt and now there's just little like sprays
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of soy all over me. >> You just soy sauce. >> I do love soy sauce. But this is a brand
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new Seven Up shirt. It >> is. >> She is wearing a t-shirt. A Seven Up. A cherry Seven Up.
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>> Seven Up. And it's cute on the back, too. It's got like a whole thing going. >> That's a little about me.
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>> But now it's got soy sauce on it. >> I know. Like the rest of my clothes. Yeah. Uh, Debb Debb also got us squishy
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butter like stress things. >> We're very into like what are the are these called like fidget toys? Are these
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considered that? I feel like we're very into these lately. >> They're nice. Especially when we're
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recording. If they don't make sound. >> Yeah, cuz I had a dumpling that did make
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it sound like I was [ __ ] myself. And Alina would look over at me and be like I'd be like, "It's not me, it's the
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dumpling. I'm not [ __ ] myself in the pod lab." God. And she couldn't do it while we were recording cuz you guys
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would have heard it. I think I probably did a couple times. Mikey either edited them out or did me dirty.
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I did a couple times like squeeze my dumpling and it sounded like it farted. That's not a euphemism.
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>> I'm just going to say what the [ __ ] is going on right now? What is happening?
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No, it's a literal dumpling, you guys. God damn. All right, we're going to talk about a haunting today. You have [ __ ] to
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say other than that? Oh, yeah, I do. Um, >> oh yeah, I do. >> So, I there's uh if you Okay. Hi. If you
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got this, I just didn't know how to start that. If you you right there are psyched about The Butcher Legacy, which
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like >> I am. >> You You better be. >> I am. >> Uh, you can read an excerpt of a chapter
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of it >> right now on Crime Reads. You can do it. I'm going to post it on my socials. We
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got it in the show notes. You can read a little excerpt. I believe it's chapter 4. I'm pretty sure. Not the whole
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chapter, but it's an excerpt. >> Say that again. Excerpt. >> Excerpt. >> Um, and yeah, you get to read some of
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the book so you can see if if it tickles your fancy. >> I bet it will. >> So, go go go do that cuz it's fun.
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>> Yeah. [ __ ] yeah. Yay. >> That's really cool. That's like a huge deal. >> And then if you are on the fence somehow
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somehow about pre-ordering The Butcher Legacy after you read it, you're going to be like, "Um, I'll take 10, please."
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You're going to be like, I got to hop off in this fence and onto the other side where the grass is greener and
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Elena's book is a plenty. >> What am I doing on the fence? >> Yeah. >> Let me jump into the the pit of the
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butcher legacy. >> You'll say, "What a loser I was hanging out on that fence." >> You will. And you know what? I'll
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forgive you cuz we listen and we don't judge. >> Yeah. So, period. >> Go read that excerpt. Um, you should
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also buy tickets to our Radio City Music Hall. >> Yeah, do that. Um, I was going to say
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episode >> episode. >> We will. It will be an episode, in fact. Um, we have come up with some really
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good merch ideas that I'm really excited about. So, and you can only get them there.
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>> Yeah. Only there and one night only. >> Better get tickets. Only go to Ticket
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Master. >> Have some fun segments planned. >> Shit's going to get buck. >> It is.
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>> All right. >> Whatever that whatever buck is, it's going to get there. >> You know, remember that song that I
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wanted to play at my wedding, but everybody was like, "You can't play this at your wedding."
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>> Yeah. Which I didn't understand. You can't play that. >> Everybody was being mean.
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>> I supported you. got buck in here trying to drop to the ground like she ain't got
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man. It's too much booty for one man to handle. That's a wedding song. The [ __ ]
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>> I would have got buck at my wedding. I mean I did anyway, but >> I would have loved that.
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>> There was an hour of my wedding that did in fact get so bucked that the children
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needed to be removed. Like kids went home. Parents were like, "We should get them out of here."
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And those parents included John. >> Yes. I WAS LIKE, "BYE, BROTHER." >> HE WAS LIKE, "BYE. I love you." He was
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like, "I got to get them out. Go, go, go. I miss my wedding. I want to do it again."
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>> I miss fine, too. >> Yeah. But I want to do it again, but I wouldn't. >> Yeah. I don't want to like plan.
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>> That's the thing. Like the planning of it all. >> Yeah. I don't want to plan a wedding
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again. >> No. >> But I want to have one again. Period. >> You know what song? I pro I promise
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we're going to get into the case, but it's >> Yeah. Just tell people when it starts.
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It might be 19 minutes. >> Yeah. I was going to say someone's timing. Who gives a [ __ ]
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>> Several people. >> My show, not yours. >> Uh, but I I was listening to, you know, how
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Spotify will give you like this band's radio, you know, like a playlist. I had a something corporate like radio, which
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let me tell you, brought the used was on there. >> Oh my god. >> We had Oh, it was great. It was total
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throwback. And then it had which I was like, I don't know if this one fits, but like all it kind of does. It had fun on
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there, which makes sense because he's the singer from the format. The format was on it as well, and that was very of
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that era. But there's a song called Some Nights. >> Is that the one where it's like some
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nights I stand in my castle? >> You You're going to stand in my >> Yeah, it's not in my castle. But this
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song, we we are young, >> is the last song that played at my wedding when everyone was like clearing
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out. Oh yeah. And I was like, "Oh my god." like it immediately brought me back to the like but I was like oh that
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just like brought me right back. That's a really good ending song. I didn't pick
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mine and I should have. I forget what it ended with but I remember being like I hate this song.
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>> Oh no that's not great. >> It was still fun I danced to it anyway but I was like who the hell played this?
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>> No, we had a good one and everybody sang it. >> Hell yeah. >> Cuz we were young. So
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>> you were in fact I feel like I was so much younger and mine was only 2 years ago.
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>> Yeah. >> Anyways, we should get to the story. >> Yeah, we'll get to the story. Mark down
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the number. >> I was just going to say, what's the time? Uh, >> leave it in. >> We're being so shady.
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Um, I should also mention that I have a cold, so if my energy feels weird, I don't know what to tell you.
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>> And you know what? Mikey will do his best to make this not >> I hope he leaves the shade in leaves in.
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>> Yeah, he'll get fired. >> He'll leave some of it. All right. So, we are gonna be talking about the Parin
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Family Haunting today, which apparently apparently >> was the inspiration for the Conjuring
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movies. Like the first one at least. >> Dang. >> Yeah. Now, weirdly enough, from
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Conjuring to this, the story of the Parin haunting begins with a simple Catholic wedding.
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>> Oh, [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> All right, let's start there. >> Let's start at the wedding. Roger and
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Carolyn Parin got married in 1957. Like a lot of people in New England, Roger grew up in a devoutly Catholic
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household. We all know what that's like around here. >> And they're done that. >> And mine wasn't devout, but mine was not
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devout. >> I knew I knew a lot of Cath Catholic bitties. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We got We got lots of Catholic
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bitties around here. They're always running around. >> I don't know what they say. But anyway,
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I was like, they're always running around saying like >> they're just always running around.
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>> You know what they're always running around saying? They're always running around saying and also with you.
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>> Yes, it's true. They're they're always saying Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. >> And all my sainted sisters.
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>> That's what my dad says, >> my grandpa. Now, Caroline grew up somewhat Christian, but she and her
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family really weren't like deeply steeped in religion by any means. And as she got older, she was really less
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interested in organized religion. But at the same time, she knew it was important
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to her husband and even more important to his mother. So, she embraced Catholicism to keep the peace between
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herself and her new mother-in-law. She said, "Sure, I'll have a Catholic wedding."
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>> O. Now, they wasted no time starting a family. And within a year, Caroline was
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pregnant with their first child, Andrea. Not long after Andrea was born, Carolyn
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was pregnant again. And it was obvious that if their family was going to continue to grow like this, they were
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going to need a bigger house. >> So, they moved to Willamantic, Connecticut, which is a small city in
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the southeastern part of the state. Over the next few years, they continued to grow and grow as a family, starting with
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Nancy, who was followed by Christine, and then Cynthia, and then finally April. >> Whoa.
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>> So, five gals. >> Five gals. >> Oh, the dream. I hope I have five girls. >> I have three gals.
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>> I know. >> And five sounds like a lot. >> You have five girls because you have the
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pups. >> That's true. >> Now, in her Yeah, exactly. In her memoirs, their oldest daughter, Andrea,
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describes her mother as approaching each of her daughters with quote, "a usual, thoughtful and kind consideration of
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each child." >> I love that. >> Yeah. What a parenting win, >> right? That's the thing. They were all
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very close in age, and they, you know, obviously had a lot in common, but Carolyn did her best to try to recognize
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their individuality, and she praised their effort. She minimally criticized them. Like, she was a good mama. Now,
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their dad on the other hand, he was less encouraging and he wasn't that emotionally available. He also worked as
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a long haul trucker. So, there were just periods where he wasn't home. >> So, I think that was
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>> kind of just like by design, you know, not like he designed it to not be home,
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but just like he wasn't always available because he was literally across >> literally in a truck across the state.
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>> Yes. Thank you. Author Joe Nickel, we will link his book in the show notes, wrote, "It was a fact that harmed his
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marriage and kept him largely a stranger to his children." A which is very sad. >> That is sad.
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>> I know. Now, Andrea is a lot less negative though in framing her father, but her description of him, at least in
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their younger years, was a lot less warm than her memories of her mother. She wrote, "His acknowledgements were always
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more subdued and understated, always a critical mention of room for improvement, though meaningful
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nonetheless." Hm. So, obviously their mom was home more, so they were a bit closer with her.
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>> Yeah, of course. >> With their father out of the house more often than not and their mom responsible
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for five young kids, the girls kind of turned to each other obviously first as playmates, but then as they grew up,
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they kind of became caregivers for one another. Like the older girls helped with the younger girls and so on and so
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forth. >> This dynamic seemed to suit Carolyn more than the typical parent child
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relationship. Andrea said that she was less a caretaker and more a playmate. She took great pleasure in their
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company. So, just like six besties living in a house. >> Hell yeah. >> Now, with a big family and the need for
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some extra help, Roger and Carolyn ended up moving back to Rhode Island in 1964.
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And they settled in a small Cape style house in Cumberland where the schools were good and they both had family
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nearby if they needed a sitter, yada yada. The parents remember their early life there fondly. They said it was an
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idealic experience. But by 1970, their idealic life started to feel like it was falling apart all around them. Uh-oh.
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So, by 1970, their idealic life started to kind of feel like it was falling apart all around them. The first signal
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that things were changing for the family came in the form of a tragedy just days
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after summer vacation started in 1970. A few months earlier, Roger and Caroline had bought a puppy that Caroline
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inexplicably named Bath Sheba. >> I love that a lot. >> Yeah. She said that she just pulled that
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name from the ether, I guess. Okay. Like no reason. But yeah, >> you just look at the dog and you're like
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>> Bath Sheba. It's interesting because Bath Sheba I looked a little bit into like uh her origins and she had five
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kids. >> Oh, and so did Caroline. So I was like weird >> vibes. >> There's also another part that you're
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like >> really like interesting >> when when things align >> so one afternoon Andrea begged her mom
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to let her take Bath Sheba for a walk and Caroline was like go for it. With her sisters by her side, Andrea held on
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tight to the leash and Bath Sheba walked obediently beside her for a while. Um, trigger warning. We're going to talk
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about animal death. The girls had been walking for a bit when a car full of teenagers came racing up over a hill
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with no warning. And Andrea remembered they must have been cheerleaders because they were quote shouting out something
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in unison while shaking brightly colored tassels from their open windows. >> Get it together.
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>> Stop speeding and get your [ __ ] head in the window. >> Just get it together.
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>> Period. >> Truly >> to to surmise. >> Get it together. >> Thank you. Bath Sheba ended up running
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into the street after the car, like probably trying to protect the girls. >> Yeah. Or seeing like the brightly
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colored. >> Yeah. Like thinking it was like a toy or like a treat or something. Now, luckily,
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she made it to the other side of the street safely. But in a panic, Andrea called out for her to come back
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immediately and didn't check to see if there was any cars coming >> and Bath Sheba did as she was told and
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was tragically struck by an elderly couple who never saw her walking into the street.
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>> Oh, that makes my heart hurt. Four elderly people too >> and all five girls just watching their
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puppy. >> Oh [ __ ] you up. >> Yeah, big time. >> That's rough. >> That's the thing. Well, and the thing
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the other thing was Caroline and Roger brought the dog home and they were like obviously this is a pet for the whole
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family, but there was a bond between Andrea and Bath Sheba like immediately. Like they really vibe together.
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>> So sad. >> And now her constant companion was ripped away in what felt like impossible
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circumstances. I just want to rewind to come back across the street. She felt she probably wouldn't have been struck
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by the car. >> So, obviously, this is a devastating incident. All five of the girls were at
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the scene when she was hit. So, they ran home immediately and they explained to their mom what had happened and Caroline
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was just as devastated. Also, it wasn't just the loss of a pet for her, but she was heartbroken for her children and
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worried that they had seen something so traumatizing. >> Oh, yeah. >> And there was also this weird underlying
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feeling that Bath Sheba's death signaled something about the subtle changes in their community. Things were shifting
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that summer. >> If that carload of teenagers had actually been following the law and not
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yelling and hanging out of their [ __ ] windows, maybe that entire scene wouldn't have happened.
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>> Yeah. >> So, in the weeks that followed, everyone in the family dealt with their grief in
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their own ways. But Andrea seemed to struggle more than the other kids. She was racked with an intense sense of
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guilt and she was usually like a very chatty, outgoing girl, but this just made her kind of like pull into herself.
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>> The shift in her personality was really concerning for Caroline. But at the same
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time, there were other things going on that were kind of occupying most of her attention.
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>> She couldn't pinpoint exactly when things started to change. But that summer, Cumberland, Rhode Island, was
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actually experiencing kind of a juvenile crime wave. >> Wow. >> Which is wild. >> The hell?
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>> Yeah. Boys around the neighborhood who were like once friendly, awkward little
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kids had started to feel kind of menacing and dangerous. >> Ew. And according to Andrea, a list of
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minor and major infractions included a number of petty thefts, gangland assaults on the schoolyard playground,
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from vicious pranks to more threatening encounters with rumors of weapons involved.
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>> Damn. And things took a very serious turn when, again, according to Andrea, there was a quote, "Attempted sexual
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assault on a young girl who had been gagged and bound to playground equipment at their elementary school."
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>> What the [ __ ] >> Yeah. So, [ __ ] was getting [ __ ] gnarly. >> I say it again. Get it together.
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>> Get it together. >> What the [ __ ] >> Between 1970 and 1974, violent crime in
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Rhode Island, in Cumberland, Rhode Island increased more than 60%. >> Wo. So, like this wasn't just a feeling
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that something weird was happening. >> It was back [ __ ] was going on and the city was becoming more dangerous.
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>> Damn. >> So, by the time the summer had come to an end, the traumatic events of the
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season, which were capped off by the death of the family's cat and a break-in at their house.
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>> Oh my god. >> It had all been way more than Caroline could tolerate. >> Yeah, that's a lot. When they had moved
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back to Rhode Island 6 years earlier, it was to put down roots to raise their family in this safe, quiet community
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with family nearby. But now this community did not feel safe and the home and town had multiple tragic memories
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that Caroline wanted to shield her kids from. >> Yeah. >> To make matters worse, with Roger out on
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the road more often than not, the growing stress and anxiety of all of this fell solely on Caroline to manage.
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So, she was just really going through it. >> So, finally, when Roger got back from a
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job that fall, she sat him down at the kitchen table and she basically said in no uncertain terms, she was straight up
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not having a good time in Cumberland, Rhode Island. I am not having a good time. straight up not having a good
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time, >> not killing it. >> She said, "It's not for us out here in these streets and I would like to sell
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this house and move into the country." >> This place is harshing my mellow. >> It harshing the vibes
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>> and I need to get out. >> So, the vibes are rancid. >> So harsh. >> There's this new thing that the kids are
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saying. >> Oh no. >> It's like aura mogging or something like that. >> Just what?
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>> Yeah, I don't know. >> How do you mo someone's aura? >> I don't even know if it's aura mogging.
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It's aura something. I got to look this up really quick. What are the Gen Z's saying about auras?
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>> What do the Gen Z's have to say about auras? >> Aura farming. That's what it is.
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>> Aura farming. >> Araura fararmming is the act of consciously and sometimes desperately
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trying to boost one's cool image. It is frequently used in a derogatory way to describe somebody as trying too hard.
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Often seen as cringe. You know what's trying too hard? Saying or coming up with a term called orura farming. Wait,
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you know what? I am kind of obsessed with obsessed with >> Stop caring. >> Whatever. You know what I'm obsessed
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with though? What? >> Or a maxing. >> Or I need all the maxing to stop. I've heard too much max. You guys are all
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talking about fiber maxing. We are fiber. >> I'm hearing idiots on the internet talking about looks maxing. I'm hearing
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whatever the [ __ ] is it or maxing. Looks maxing is like apparently all these like
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>> is that like a glow up? >> I But it's like extreme I think. Like crazy. >> Wow.
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>> I like maxing. I think everyone just needs to chill the [ __ ] out. >> What about chill out, Max and relax and
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all cool? >> Shooting some Bball outside of the school. >> Is that good? >> Yeah, that is cool. That's what I mean.
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>> Yeah, I was just going to say that Cumberland, Rhode Island was not oraxing at this time.
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>> It was not oraxing. >> In case there's any Gen Z's listening, let me translate that for you. Yeah,
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there it was. >> Yeah, it was not Ouraxing. >> So, when Carolyn first made her case to
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Roger, he was like, "Uh, I don't really know if we're in the financial position to do that. This feels very impulsive."
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And he was like, I also don't think a few bad experiences are sufficient enough reason to leave. Like here crime
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rate though. >> And I was like, the home invasion is the crime. Is that >> is the crime of it all upsetting to you,
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Roger? >> Yeah, that would bum me out. >> So by the time they reached uh by the time they got to bed that night, they
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reached an impass. There was no immediate solution. And as far as Roger was concerned, he said there was no
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point undwelling what they couldn't change. >> It's like, well, you could you can
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change your surroundings. >> You can change whatever you want to change. You can change your hair and you
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can change your clothes and you can change your mind and that's the way it goes.
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>> Exactly. >> And after that >> ask Hillary. >> No, that's is that that's not Hillary.
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That's Hannah. >> No, that's Hillary. >> That's Hillary. >> Yeah. You can change your mind.
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>> No. I was saying you can change your hair and you can change your clothes. You can change your mind and that's the
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way. >> So what is Hillary? >> She says you can change your mind if you want to. You can act real tough.
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It was something else. >> I'll trust you on this one cuz >> I know I'm right here.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. I I know you're right here. >> And the Hannah Montana resurgence. Like
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put that into my head. >> See, and I think I'm I'm for the Hillary Duff resurgence. So I had that on the
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brain. >> She's not resurging at this very moment. Hannah Montana is resurging at this very
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moment. >> I think Hillary's on [ __ ] tour. >> Is she? I would go to that. >> She's resurging.
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>> I would go to that. >> Yeah, she's resurging. >> We can't bring John though because one
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time they made eye contact. >> Yeah, he he claimed that one time at a concert when he was younger. Yes, he
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went to a Hillary Duff concert. He >> He took his niece, right? >> No, he dated a girl.
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>> Oh, he dated a girl. >> That had him going to Hillary Duff concerts. Uh, you know who you are. Just
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kidding. >> No, you should be. >> I'm just kidding. We have three children and have been married for like,000
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years, >> but we still hate her. >> Um, real girl [ __ ] >> Uh, but I'm totally kidding.
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>> It's a joke. >> But he went to We're like, "This is a joke. Please know that." Uh, yeah. She
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made him go to a Hillary Duff concert and he said he claims to this day they made eye. So Hillary, if you're
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listening >> back cuz >> I understand him because I made eye contact with Harry Styles at a Harry
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Styles concert and he definitely sang to me for a solid second. >> I know I'm the only one who has not had
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this experience. >> Here's the thing too. I have photographic evidence of Harry Styles
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looking at me. He's looking right at me. That's actually true. And his >> See, when John went it was a time before
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the camera. So >> yeah. So, but you know what I believe as somebody who's made made eye contact
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with a handsome fella/ beautiful lady. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> you know, >> you know, I haven't had that experience.
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I need to add that to my repertoire. >> I bet Tobias has made eye contact with you, but you just can't see cuz
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I'm going to hold on to that. >> I got you. >> I'll hold on to that. >> I love these episodes cuz they get so
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loosey goosey. >> They do. I love these. >> It's my faith. So, Roger said, "Hell no,
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Caroline. We can't afford that." And who cares? >> Yeah. But Carol, so Caroline started
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keeping her anxieties to herself and she didn't bring up moving again. And a few
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days later, Roger was back on the road. >> Oh no. >> According to Andrea, her father's latest
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trip quote kept him away just long enough for the universe to intervene on their behalf. Oh boy.
00:21:33
>> Which I [ __ ] love. >> So while waiting for one of her daughter's music lessons to end,
00:21:37
Caroline was just flicking through a copy of the Windocket Call and, you know, just mulling along.
00:21:43
>> Just mulling along. >> Flipping through the real estate section. She came across a listing for a
00:21:47
9 room colonial farmhouse in Harrisville on 200 acres of land for $75,000. >> Oh, give it to me.
00:21:58
>> Which also >> give it to me. >> That would be $600,000. >> Damn. >> Or is it 600? Hold on. Is that I'll be
00:22:06
back. So, yeah, it was like $600,000, like give or take, which honestly for 200 acres of land, I'd do that if I could,
00:22:21
you know? >> That's sick. >> So, for the rest of the afternoon, Caroline just couldn't help but think
00:22:25
that that was the perfect opportunity. And the fact that she had come across it in the paper was a sign that it was the
00:22:31
house for them. >> Hell yeah. Despite Roger having emphatically told her that they
00:22:35
literally did not have the money to move that night, Caroline said 1800 listing agent and she scheduled a showing for
00:22:41
the following day. >> I love that. >> I love it. I'm team Caroline. >> Go get it.
00:22:46
>> Period. >> Yeah. I would buy it. I want to see it. >> It's the Conjuring House.
00:22:50
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Oh, I thought you were saying to me, I want to see the house. I was like,
00:22:53
it's the Conjuring. Thank you. Thank you for that. You said you want to see. You
00:22:57
can. It's the Conjuring House. No, I would just be like, I I want to see it. >> Yeah. Show Show it to me.
00:23:02
>> Yeah, show me to me, Rachel. >> There it is. I was waiting for it. >> I know you were. So, Carolyn met the
00:23:07
realtor the following morning and they drove out to Harrisville together. Along the way, she gazed longingly out the
00:23:12
window at what was to her a quaint, idyllic, beautiful town, perfect to raise her daughters in.
00:23:16
>> Oh, it's going to be amazing. >> Yeah, it was exactly what she wanted for her family.
00:23:20
>> Yeah, I don't think anything bad is going to happen. >> No, it's not. >> This is just a nice story.
00:23:24
>> It's gorgeous. She's just like gazing out the window like she's in a music video. Yeah.
00:23:27
>> Do you remember when it would rain and you were sitting in the back seat and you'd just be like, "I'm in a music
00:23:31
video right now." >> Oh, yeah. Anybody who isn't the main character in their own music videos,
00:23:36
movies, TV shows all the time. >> Lies. >> Do it. You're either lying or you need
00:23:40
to do it. >> Yeah. Whimsify your life. >> Yeah. >> So, things only got better when they got
00:23:45
to the house. There were apple trees in the yard, a lush green lawn. The house itself was this picturesque colonial
00:23:52
home. According to the groundskeeper, the house was actually built by a master shipwright in uh 1736.
00:23:59
>> That's sick. >> And it was made of solid oak. >> Oh, hell yeah. >> And it was thanks to that masterful
00:24:04
construction and solid materials that the house managed to survive during so many devastating hurricane seasons that
00:24:10
destroyed a lot of the other colonials in town. >> It had legs. >> It had legs. By the time they finished
00:24:16
storing the house, Caroline was pretty much sold that it was hers, but the groundskeeper is the one who really
00:24:22
convinced her. After giving her a tour of the property, he walked uh both women back to the car and he shook Caroline's
00:24:28
hand and he gave her a genuine look of kindness and said, "This is a wonderful place to raise a family."
00:24:33
>> Oh, that would have sold me. >> Me, too. You know, >> they hadn't even closed their doors and
00:24:38
Caroline was reaching into that purse for her checkbook and she said to the realtor, "My husband is out of town. How
00:24:43
much does it take to hold this place? >> Good. Honestly, good for her. >> I'm obsessed.
00:24:49
>> Yeah, I'm obsessed because at least you got to make sure nobody else gets it.
00:24:52
>> Yeah. So, Andrea's account of how they came to live in the house has this like
00:24:55
mystical quality that strongly suggests some unseen force had intervened to ensure that Caroline found the listing,
00:25:02
saw the house, and made the down payment. As a science girly myself, I love that Caroline thought this was the
00:25:07
universe. >> Oh, hell yeah. And maybe it was. You know, the universe wants to teach you
00:25:11
things. Maybe this was like her Saturn return or something. Probably not. But maybe. I don't know.
00:25:16
>> But maybe >> she had five kids at this point, but it was a different time. >> Anyways, unfortunately for Carolyn,
00:25:21
Roger was upset. He was like, "Hey, it's the '7s. You can't spend money without me." I mean, here's the thing. Like,
00:25:27
yeah, you should probably talk together if you're, you know, that's >> But she tried to talk to him and he
00:25:32
wasn't listening. >> Well, that's what the What's a woman to do? >> Were steps taken that that maybe should
00:25:38
have waited? Yeah. But like, who? >> He's in a truck. What was she meant to do? >> We listen and we don't judge.
00:25:43
>> Period. >> You know, >> so more than mad, he also just wasn't interested in hearing about the house or
00:25:48
the beautiful grounds or how perfectly suited it was for their family. He was interested in one thing only. How the
00:25:53
[ __ ] they were going to get that check back from the realtor. >> Oh, no. >> But Caroline persisted. She was like,
00:25:57
"No, this is the right decision for us, Roger. Listen to me. >> Listen, Roger." >> And eventually he yielded and he agreed
00:26:04
to tour the house with her. >> Okay. >> He said, "I'm not saying we're moving, but I'll go look at it."
00:26:08
>> Yeah. So the ne the next day the entire family piled into the car and they headed back to Harrisville to see the
00:26:14
house. Once again they were met by the groundskeeper, Mr. Kenyon, who Roger was immediately charmed by and very endeared
00:26:20
to. The girls ran off to play in the yard and Mr. Kenyon showed the parents the house. And although he was still
00:26:26
pretty pissed at his wife for being so impulsive and completely disregarding his wishes on the matter, Roger did have
00:26:32
to admit it's a pretty great house. >> It is. >> Yeah. The interior was just as beautiful
00:26:36
and stately as the exterior. It was much It was more than adequate for their family. And a few hundred yards away, a
00:26:43
stream ran through the woods with water clear enough for Roger to legit see little fishies swimming beneath the
00:26:49
surface. >> Little fishies. >> It was perfect. It was picturesque. >> So, back at home that night, they put
00:26:55
the girls to bed and they sat down to discuss everything. For every glowing word that Carolyn had for the house,
00:27:01
Roger offered a critique, though he was not quite sold yet. She brought up the crystal clearar stream and the natural
00:27:06
spring on the property. And he pointed out the ancient plumbing and the fact that there was only one bathroom in the
00:27:11
entire [ __ ] house. But >> that would be rough. That would be rough. But no matter how pragmatic he
00:27:17
was or how many reasonable concerns he had, in the end, there was no getting around the fact that he was just as
00:27:23
impressed with the house as Caroline was. And he agreed that night, okay, we'll figure it out. Let's do it.
00:27:29
>> Let's go. So, after lots of planning, lots of preparation, moving day finally
00:27:34
arrived the second week of January 1971. You couldn't pay me money to move in New
00:27:38
England in January. >> No. >> Why? Yeah. >> Wait till at least March. >> That's That's the real horror.
00:27:45
>> Yeah. Here, >> it really is moving in January. >> What? >> So, having spent everything on the down
00:27:50
payment for the house, there was no money to hire movers, but luckily, friends and family pitched in to help
00:27:55
the parents get settled into their new house. As the last pieces of furniture were being carried inside, Mr. Kenyon,
00:28:02
the groundskeeper, appeared at the door to say hello and welcome everybody. And he was charming as ever. And Roger
00:28:07
appreciated having somebody nearby who was familiar with the property. But before he left that afternoon, Mr.
00:28:13
Kenyon said something that would haunt Roger in the days and weeks to come. >> Uhoh.
00:28:17
>> He said, "Leave the lights on at night. Better to light a candle than to curse
00:28:21
the darkness." >> Okay, that that might send me >> That would [ __ ] me up. That would send
00:28:27
me >> I don't know where it would send me, but it would send me. >> It would send me away.
00:28:31
>> Yeah. >> It would send me on my way. >> On my way. >> On my way. >> Be out of there.
00:28:37
>> Out of there. No thank you. >> Yeah. I'd be like I'd like to leave now. >> Also, I'm pretty sure the Conjuring
00:28:44
House is like closed. >> Really? >> Yeah. I think it like they >> Is it in between owners? Is that why?
00:28:50
>> Yeah. I think they don't have their their business license was like revoked. >> Oh. And then I think it was going up for
00:28:56
auction. >> It definitely was because um >> wasn't some tool trying to buy it. I
00:29:02
don't remember who. >> I do. >> And uh I do too. >> But I don't remember like >> Matt R. We're looking at you.
00:29:13
>> But I don't see who I don't see like what happened. I just looked online. I don't know what the results of all that
00:29:19
was. >> Interesting. >> I'm just interested now. I'm like what's going on? You going to buy it?
00:29:24
>> Give me the condr, huh? You're like, "Hey, can I see a haunted location? Can I see some paperwork?"
00:29:28
>> What? Didn't Sam and Colby buy a haunted location? They bought a school. >> They bought a school.
00:29:33
>> I want to. >> So, yeah. The comment, I guess, didn't really necessarily come off as menacing
00:29:39
to Roger anyway. But something about it put Roger off and he was very uncomfortable.
00:29:43
>> Something about it. >> Probably just the comment. >> Probably just the cont. The whole
00:29:47
comment. >> Leave the lights on at night. I'd be like, first of all, that's expensive,
00:29:50
Mr. Kenyon. That's when he goes to walk and you go, "Hh, yeah. >> What does that mean?" And you do the
00:29:56
little finger wag like, "Wait a minute." >> Wait a minute. >> Hold up, brother. >> Brother,
00:30:02
what's that? >> So, from the moment that they the moment, >> this is an unhinged episode.
00:30:11
>> I know. From the moment, >> this is the conjuring in here. >> They moved into the old farmhouse.
00:30:17
Caroline was very surprised by how much noise that it made like when everything was quiet.
00:30:21
>> The house. >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> it wasn't that surprising. They moved in during the coldest part of the year and
00:30:26
every New Englander obviously knows like your house is going to be creaking and cracking.
00:30:30
>> The clinging, the clanging, the the creaking, the cracking, >> plumbing, old floors, what have you.
00:30:36
>> Oh yeah. I used to love when our family from like out of town, like John's family from out of town would come stay
00:30:40
over and they were like, "What the [ __ ] is that?" I was like, "Just house. >> Just the pipes.
00:30:43
>> It's just house. >> The house is settling. >> Don't worry about it." There's like a
00:30:45
random crack in our wall. I was like, "What the [ __ ] is that?" And Drew goes, "I don't know. The house settled."
00:30:50
>> I was like, "Oh, okay. That's good." >> Like, I don't know. It's New England.
00:30:52
>> But even by those standards, New England standards, the Greeks and groans from
00:30:56
the old house were definitely eerie and like they happened much more frequently than the usual ones.
00:31:01
>> The house was like sort of. And they were like, "That's new." >> They were like, "Huh." Now, it was all
00:31:07
the more noticeable since they never got any keys to the house when they moved in.
00:31:12
>> Yeah. Mr. Kenyon just was like, "I never locked the doors. No need. Nobody will
00:31:16
bother you here." >> Okay, I love that. But like I hate that. >> I love that nobody will bother you, but
00:31:22
I'd like no keys. >> But why? >> And also question. >> They had they had gone through a
00:31:28
breakin. >> Yeah. >> Like I'm going to lock everything. If you're buying somewhere
00:31:34
>> um like >> to get away from crime. >> Yeah. Get keys. or even if you're not moving there to get away from crime, if
00:31:40
you're if you're moving into a place, get keys >> and then change the locks. >> Yeah, definitely get those keys.
00:31:46
>> Now, a few weeks after they moved in, Caroline was surprised to learn that it
00:31:50
wasn't just her who had been hearing strange sounds in the house. One day, while she was home alone with April, who
00:31:55
was the youngest daughter, April was like, "Yeah, I hear [ __ ] upstairs all the time."
00:31:59
>> She was like, "Yeah, shit's going crazy." >> Yeah. And she was like, I think she was
00:32:01
like four or five, and she literally said like, "Shit's going crazy." She was like, "Mom, [ __ ] is popping the [ __ ] off
00:32:06
upstairs." The comment caught Caroline off guard and she didn't really know how to
00:32:12
respond cuz she doesn't want to scare her daughter, but she's like, "Oh, cool. You're hearing it, too."
00:32:15
>> Yeah. And she's like, "Where'd you learn those words?" >> She's like, "Damn, I better get the Dawn
00:32:20
dish soap out." >> So, by the time she got around to asking what kind of things April had heard in
00:32:24
her room, April was like distracted with something else cuz she's a kid. >> She's got to go learn new swear words.
00:32:29
>> She's got [ __ ] to do. >> So, she said that, too. She's like, "I have [ __ ] to do, Mom." So, one February
00:32:35
day when the older girls were were all at school and Caroline was home with April, she had just put April down for a
00:32:41
nap and she got this eerie feeling. She got used to all the noise that the house
00:32:46
made, the creaking, the popping, the sush, the dropping. They'd also heard hush talking from rooms.
00:32:53
>> My parents also hear that. >> We hear that too. I can't even like say that that's just them. I used to hear
00:32:59
that when I did, >> so they were used to that. But this time something was different. It felt like
00:33:04
there was somebody else in the house with her, but like it was a presence that she couldn't see, but she could for
00:33:10
sure feel. >> She said the air felt heavy, thick and dark. So she closed her eyes and she
00:33:15
tried to push the heavy feeling away and within a few minutes it passed. Later that afternoon, after the girls got home
00:33:21
from school, Caroline gave them some milk and cookies and she was like, "Go play like over here so you don't wake
00:33:26
April up cuz she's still sleeping." So doing as they were told, they went to the living room to play a game and eat
00:33:30
their snack. But they were interrupted a few minutes later by an unhappy and obviously still sleepy April. And she
00:33:36
wanted to know who the [ __ ] shook me in my goddamn sleep like that. >> Thinking that their sister was over
00:33:42
tired or just being silly, the other girls laughed, but they were immediately admonished by Carolyn, who was like not
00:33:47
very happy that April was up from her nap that early. >> So, she had been in the kitchen next to
00:33:52
the living room. She could see and hear the girls very clearly. Like, she knew all four of them were down there
00:33:56
playing. So, she also knew that none of them had gone upstairs to wake up April.
00:34:01
So, she pulled April onto her lap and she's trying to soo her. She's like, "Nobody touched you while you were
00:34:06
asleep. Like, they didn't none of the girls went into your room. It was probably just a bad dream." That
00:34:10
technique was usually successful. But on that afternoon, April could not be soothed. She was very upset. She
00:34:16
insisted that one of her sisters had slapped her and pushed her while she was sleeping and then ran out of the room.
00:34:23
>> And she said she could even hear their footsteps as they fled into the hallway.
00:34:27
That's terrifying. >> Yeah. So, seeing that April was genuinely upset and like inconsolable at
00:34:32
this point with what she'd experienced, the rest of the girls got more serious and they joined in trying to help calm
00:34:38
her down. >> Oh [ __ ] >> They all told her, "None of us went into your room. Like, you probably were
00:34:42
dreaming." >> But after a while, even Carolyn wasn't so sure that April was dreaming. Her
00:34:47
mind flashed back to the feeling that she had earlier that day putting April down for her nap, that she wasn't alone
00:34:53
in the room. And she was sure that if there was somebody else in the house, she would have noticed them by now.
00:34:58
After all, the house was not that big. >> And it also seemed like every floorboard
00:35:01
had its own noise. >> Yeah. >> But she still couldn't help but wonder. Was there something in the house with
00:35:07
them? >> Ooh. Yeah. >> You don't want to have to wonder that. >> You don't. It's probably on on the like
00:35:14
my top 10 list of things to not want to have to worry about. >> Yeah. I want to go my whole life
00:35:18
wondering. Not that. >> Yeah. So since moving in that second week of January, Roger had only been
00:35:24
able to enjoy the new house for a few days before he was back out on the road. So when he finally got home in
00:35:29
midFebruary, he was just eager to relax and enjoy the house. But from the moment
00:35:33
he got home, he could tell that something was off with Caroline. She seemed very troubled. That night, after
00:35:38
the girls went to bed, he was like, "What's going on? Like you seem super off." And it took a little work, but
00:35:43
eventually Caroline did start to tell him about the noises that she'd been hearing and the more recent unshakable
00:35:48
feeling that there was somebody in the house with them. He told her that the light in the house was definitely
00:35:53
strange and it even played tricks with his eyes, but it was probably just that. >> But the more he talked, the more
00:35:59
Caroline realized that she he didn't really understand what she was saying. No, >> it wasn't just that she had an
00:36:04
uncomfortable feeling like everybody gets from time to time. It was a genuine like feeling that there was actually
00:36:10
somebody else there with her >> watching her. So, it was obvious to Roger that Caroline was upset and
00:36:16
something had for sure frightened her. But whether it was his Catholic upbringing or just that he hadn't had
00:36:22
any experiences like that himself, he just couldn't bring himself to accept that anything was going on in the house.
00:36:27
It had to have been reasonable. He insisted that she just was spending too much time alone or maybe she was alone
00:36:33
with the kids and their imag imaginations too much. So throughout most of their ordeal in the house, this
00:36:38
was kind of Roger's like way of handling things. Yeah. According to Nickel, Roger
00:36:43
eventually seemed to acquies, possibly to promote domestic harmony, but he never appears to have truly believed the
00:36:49
claims from his wife and daughters. >> Interesting. >> Which is rude. >> It seems like he was accusing her of
00:36:54
aura farming. >> Yeah. >> This haunting. >> He He was saying, "Your aura points have
00:36:58
gone down a lot." Yeah. So, as winter turned to spring and then to summer, the noises continued and that feeling of
00:37:04
being watched would come over Caroline and the girls now every so often. >> In time, the area of the hallway that
00:37:10
connected the kitchen and the dining room became the least comfortable place in the house. The temperature
00:37:15
inexplicably fluctuated wildly between hot and cold. Like super super hot or absolutely freezing. See your breath
00:37:22
cold. And it didn't matter what the temperature was in the rest of the house. According to Andrea, the girls
00:37:28
always quote moved quickly through that corridor, unconsciously sensing the presence, always feeling watched within
00:37:34
the dark spaces. >> Ooh. >> As time passed, they started to share their own experiences with each other
00:37:40
and were kind of relieved to find that they weren't alone in what was going on. >> Yeah.
00:37:43
>> Andrea said nobody ever lingered too long near the cellar door. And that was because on the day they moved in, two of
00:37:49
the girls had seen what they thought was a man standing in the dark corner just beyond the door. And at the time they
00:37:55
dismissed it as like a shadow or like their dad said, a trick of the light. But over time, the heavy feeling that
00:38:00
they got around the cellar door and the sounds that came from the cellar convinced them that it wasn't an
00:38:05
illusion. >> Now, it was Cynthia who first encountered the full-blown apparition of
00:38:11
a man. >> I don't want to see an apparition of a man. >> Neither did Cynthia. >> Yeah. The school year had just started.
00:38:17
She was rushing to get her things together one morning so she wouldn't miss the bus. The bus driver was
00:38:21
literally out front like blaring the horn and she's trying to scoop everything up and make the make it in
00:38:26
time. But before she could get there, a quote silky smoky figure emerged from the cellar. So she had no time to even
00:38:35
react to what was going on and she just rushed headlong into it, which caused the mask to disappear in an invisible
00:38:41
and foul smelling cloud. >> Ew. A fart cloud. >> A fart cloud. Oh, >> gross. >> A paranormal fart cloud. E. Now, as soon
00:38:50
as the odor entered Cynthia's nostrils, the smell was apparently so overpowering
00:38:55
that it sent her into a coughing fit. Oh my god, go to the doctor. >> Yeah, well, she kind of did. She made it
00:39:01
out to the bus and she got to school on time. But within an hour of getting to school, she was exhausted. She couldn't
00:39:07
concentrate. She was falling asleep at her desk. So, the teacher sent her to the nurse cuz they were like, "What the
00:39:12
[ __ ] is going on?" >> They said, "I think you I think you inhaled a fart cloud. I think you
00:39:16
inested a paranormal fart cloud >> that we don't really have treatment for that. So I guess go home and sleep it
00:39:22
off. >> See that often? >> Yeah. >> But a short time later, Caroline picked her up and brought her home.
00:39:27
>> Oh [ __ ] >> So Cynthia's encounter didn't really result in much more than the symptoms of
00:39:31
a cold. But like the fact that that gave her a cold insane, >> she's got pink eye from a ghost.
00:39:38
>> But it was an indication that whatever they shared their home with could and would interact with them when it wanted
00:39:43
to. And those interactions might have physical consequences. >> Damn. >> A few days later, speaking of physical
00:39:49
consequences, Caroline was out in the barn clearing out some of the old objects that had been left behind. And
00:39:54
she had an encounter of her own. As she was working, she started to hear a kind of whoosh sound come from the hay loft
00:40:01
above her. Like a whooshing kind of like that. Yeah. Caroline wondered if it was
00:40:07
like a bird or an animal that was trapped up there. And she started to climb the ladder to try to help if it
00:40:12
was. Then out of nowhere, a hands scythe came flying in her direction from above.
00:40:18
What? So she tried to move or jump out of the way, but she felt like she was paralyzed. Like she literally couldn't
00:40:24
move. Now to her relief, the scythe struck the ground just inches from her foot.
00:40:29
>> Holy [ __ ] >> Which spared her any harm. But the question remained, who or what had
00:40:33
thrown a [ __ ] scythe in her direction. >> Yeah, that's [ __ ] >> She didn't know wow wow or high.
00:40:39
>> Wow or high. >> Or how or why. But the thing Caroline did know was that the implement had not
00:40:44
just fallen. It had clearly been thrown like with force. >> That's crazy. >> Now, from that point on is when the
00:40:49
activity in the house really escalated. The worst of it always coming when Roger
00:40:53
was away. One afternoon, a few weeks after the attack in the barn, there was a knock on the door. And when Carolyn
00:40:59
opened it, she was met by her neighbor, Mrs. Pedigrew, who knew that Roger was away and was just kind of stopping in to
00:41:04
be like, "How you doing?" So Caroline invited her in. She went upstairs to change and into more presentable
00:41:10
clothes. And Mrs. Pedigrew and the children sat in the kitchen eating the cake that she brought. And suddenly they
00:41:15
were startled by the sound of Carolyn screaming from the bedroom down the hall. >> Oh no.
00:41:19
>> Now rushing to her aid, they all burst in the room just in time to they all saw
00:41:24
this see her being whacked across the face head and neck with a wire coat hanger held in the air just like by some
00:41:33
unseen force. It was not Joan Crawford. >> No, it was not. >> No, >> she doesn't like wire hangers.
00:41:40
>> No, she doesn't. No wire hangers. >> No wire hangers. >> What the [ __ ] >> Yeah. So, seconds after they entered the
00:41:46
room, the coat hanger just dropped to the floor. Whatever had held it previously was gone. And Caroline was
00:41:52
just sitting there in tears, >> just having been hit with a wire hanger. >> But she's also saw this.
00:41:57
>> What's that? >> How many people saw this? >> Six people. Her five daughters and her
00:42:01
neighbor. [ __ ] >> Yeah. So frightened and kind of embarrassed. Caroline ushered everybody
00:42:06
out of the room and back down to the kitchen where they all just kind of sat awkwardly like nobody knew what to say.
00:42:11
And Mrs. Pedigrew was like, "I'm head." >> So she was like, "Thanks so much for the
00:42:16
coffee. Enjoy the cake. Peace out." Carolyn walked her out and but before Mrs. Pedigrew left, she turned and took
00:42:23
Caroline's hand and told her, "The Kenyons always kept the lights on overnight. All the lights every night."
00:42:32
>> That would [ __ ] me up. That would [ __ ] me up. >> For that to be the second comment about
00:42:37
like, you should keep your lights on at night. >> And just for like her to like take your
00:42:39
hand and just be like, you know, that wire hanger that just beat the [ __ ] out of you.
00:42:43
>> Yeah. >> The previous owners kept their lights on. Maybe think about that. >> Maybe you should do that.
00:42:47
>> Like, no. >> Maybe the wire hangers wouldn't come for you, babe. >> Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows?
00:42:51
>> I don't know. Who's to say? >> So then she just let go of Caroline's hand, walked in the direction of her
00:42:57
house, and quite literally never came back for another visit. >> Honestly, I don't blame her. She was
00:43:01
like, "That house is not for me, dog." >> Rancid, >> she said, "It's oral points are low."
00:43:06
>> Yeah. >> So, in the months that followed, the parent family kind of just fell into a
00:43:10
regular routine, living alongside whatever the [ __ ] was in their house and doing their best to carry on while still
00:43:15
enduring strange events and strange encounters. With Roger away most of the time, Carolyn and the girls were left to
00:43:21
fend for themselves. And when he would return, there was always the inevitable disappointment when he refused to
00:43:26
believe their stories of the haunting. Yeah, the experiences themselves were incredibly stressful, but Roger's
00:43:32
skepticism seemed to make everything worse. According to Joe Nickel, Caroline came to feel as though she was being
00:43:38
overtly challenged by Roger's disbelief. As though her opinion was entirely irrelevant, her recounting of events
00:43:44
fraudulent. Well, it would piss me off if John just straight up didn't believe me. I'd be like, "Okay, that sucks."
00:43:50
Like, that would piss me off. >> I would be very upset. >> Yeah. So, the tension that grew between
00:43:54
Roger and Carolyn acted as kind of a wedge between them and only pushed them farther apart from each other. And that
00:44:00
was when Carolyn really needed a lot of support. >> Yeah. Things took a turn for the worse
00:44:04
when in the absence of her husband's emotional support, Carolyn turned to a neighbor, Sam, as a kind of confidant.
00:44:10
There's no indication that their relationship was anything but platonic. >> Thank you for that.
00:44:14
>> You betcha. No, Caroline's a queen. >> My my like my reality television show head just went. And with that being
00:44:22
said, team Sierra. >> Oh yeah, I don't even watch it in team Sierra, >> period. You're on the right side of
00:44:26
history. >> So they were like platonic. But just the fact that his wife had started sharing
00:44:31
her ghost stories with people outside of the house and a man, another man at that.
00:44:35
>> Yeah. >> Felt kind of like a betrayal to Roger. But it's also like I don't know, maybe
00:44:39
believe your wife. >> Believe her. Make her feel heard. >> And all your kids are saying this, too.
00:44:44
Like >> Exactly. >> But through sharing her story, Caroline finally started to feel some sense of
00:44:49
support. and she also started moving towards finding some answers. Now, despite their growing inability to
00:44:54
communicate with each other, Roger and Caroline just kind of carried on their lives like there was nothing wrong in
00:44:59
their relationship. It was the '7s. You know, >> when he was home, Roger was present, not
00:45:03
necessarily warm, but there. And his being home helped Caroline feel a little bit safer. One night, a few years into
00:45:10
their time at the house, Roger said, "You know what? Why don't we get a babysitter? We'll go out for a date.
00:45:14
Like, we need a little action here." >> So, they went out. They had a nice night
00:45:18
together. They got home a little after midnight. Roger thanked the babysitter, paid them. Caroline went upstairs,
00:45:24
checked in on the girls. Everything seemed normal, and then they went to bed. A few hours later, Caroline was
00:45:30
awoken by the sounds of footsteps near their door in her bedroom. She obviously assumed it was one of her five children.
00:45:35
So, she called out without opening her eyes, like, "Who is it? What can I do for you? What you need? What's up,
00:45:40
girl?" And she got no response. So she groggly opened her eyes and saw the grotesque figure of a woman standing
00:45:47
before her staring directly into her eyes from across the room. >> That's so much worse than a kid.
00:45:54
>> Yeah. >> She was also completely paralyzed. >> Oh. >> And her eyes just rapidly scanned the
00:46:00
entity in front of her looking for any indication of what the [ __ ] it might want.
00:46:04
>> A grotesque woman. >> Yeah. She said the age of the woman was difficult to discern, but based on her
00:46:10
outfit, she knew that she was not of a modern era. >> Her dress was a quote rusty green jersey
00:46:15
handmade handdyed fabric cinched at the waist with a belt. And her hairstyle was
00:46:20
slightly more modern. It kind of looked like a beehive, but it wasn't as well quafted because she's grotesque
00:46:26
>> and presumably dead. >> Yeah. Now, worst of all was the way that her body was contorted and twisted. Her
00:46:33
neck seemed to have been snapped, causing her head to tilt at an unnatural angle.
00:46:37
>> Oh, I remember hearing this one. >> And she stared greyeyed and unblinking at Caroline.
00:46:42
>> Ooh. >> Isn't there I seem to remember that there's like a drawing on like a wall or
00:46:48
something that one of the kids did of that lady. >> Yeah, it is. It's literally It's [ __ ]
00:46:52
It's like silly, but it's scary because you know like what it results from. >> That's [ __ ] up.
00:46:58
>> Yeah. And it was found on furniture like by new owners of the house later. >> And it's just the lady with like her
00:47:04
crazy bent neck. >> Yeah, we'll take a we'll put a picture in there. >> Yeah, that's [ __ ] scary.
00:47:09
>> In the in the carousel on Instagram. At first to Caroline, cuz remember she just
00:47:14
woke up out of nowhere to this. At first, it seemed like this woman was like floating in the darkness. But once
00:47:19
her eyes finally adjusted to the darkness, she could see that the woman wasn't floating. She was crouched inside
00:47:25
of the bureau across the room. The doors flung open on both sides to reveal the full extent of Miss Girl's hideousness
00:47:33
>> of our girly. >> Yeah. >> Like what the [ __ ] >> Yeah. In her mind, Caroline imagined
00:47:40
herself shrieking, but no matter how loud she was yelling in her mind, nothing would come out of her mouth.
00:47:45
>> That's the worst. >> So, she watched in frozen terror as the woman thing at the other end of the room
00:47:50
climbed out of the bureau and started slowly moving toward her in the dark. Oh, finally feeling like the paralysis
00:47:57
was slipping, she started kicking Roger. But the blows must have been too soft to
00:48:01
register because stupid Roger didn't wake up. It was only when the thing was directly in front of her. One of its
00:48:08
arms literally laying across her pillow that she finally regained the functionality to move away from the
00:48:14
thing and it started leaning its gray face towards hers. So, she shot back against her headboard
00:48:22
with such force that the metal of the headboard slammed into the wall. And she said it was so loud that it should have
00:48:27
woken up everybody, but nobody came running and Roger stayed asleep. >> Holy [ __ ]
00:48:32
>> To her surprise, the only person that did seem to respond to the noise of the
00:48:36
clanging bed frame was the figure of the woman. Pressed as far back against the wall as she could be, she just watched
00:48:43
in shock as the figure started to dissolve before her eyes, leaving behind a cloudy residue and a terrible odor.
00:48:52
>> Oh, everyone's so stinky. >> Stank ass. >> Why is everyone so stinky? >> Girl, you stank. Take a bath. You stank.
00:48:58
Take a >> I don't know. >> So terrified and wanting to get out of that room ASAP, she just scooped up her
00:49:05
pillow and went to the living room to sleep on the couch. She was like, "You know what?" She was like, "I don't want
00:49:09
to deal with this." >> Yeah. She's like, "You know what? Roger's probably not going to believe me
00:49:12
if I tell him what just happened inches away from him." But there's no doubt in her mind their house was haunted. And
00:49:18
whatever it was, it was not friendly. >> So, in the days after the attack, >> stanky. What's that?
00:49:23
>> And stanky. >> And stanky. Not friendly and stanky. Horrible combination. >> Yeah.
00:49:27
>> So, in the days after the attack in the bedroom, the dam broke and Caroline started learning what her daughters were
00:49:32
experiencing in the house. Andrea told her, "I see shadows in my bedroom, even when the moon is small in the dark."
00:49:39
Ooh. The other girls had experiences, too. Their bed shook in the middle of the night. Toys moved across the room.
00:49:45
Shapeless figures stared at them from the dark corners. The worst was the way that the thing had approached Cindy. Not
00:49:52
as a menacing figure, but with tenderness. Cindy told her mom, "She loves me, Mom. She wants me to be
00:49:58
friends with her." >> Oh my god, this sounds that's very amityville. >> It really is. So Caroline said, "Fuck
00:50:04
that. I got to do something to protect myself and my babies. Roger's not going to believe us, and he's not going to
00:50:10
like sell our house and move even if he does." >> So I need to figure out how to make this
00:50:14
happen. >> Exactly. So that's a mama. >> That's a mama. So she reached out to her
00:50:18
good buddy Platonic Sam and told him >> love Platonic Sam. >> We do, too. Uh she told him about the
00:50:23
thing, and as they were talking, April looked up from the TV, pointed at the door to the cellar, and just said,
00:50:30
"Something real [ __ ] bad happened in there. And then she turned back to the TV like
00:50:35
she hadn't just dropped that lore. >> What the? >> Now, in case you weren't catching on,
00:50:39
I'm just like making her swear because we started that bit and it's funny. >> But she literally was like, "Something
00:50:43
real bad happened." >> She said something bad happened in there >> and then just like went back to the TV.
00:50:49
>> I'm not sure how I would recover from that as a honest like there's a lot of things I
00:50:55
can handle. >> That might be the moment I say, "Well, I guess I guess we're camping out." Like I
00:51:00
don't >> No. No. I was literally just going to say I might camp in nearby woods before
00:51:04
I spent another night there. >> Something real bad happened in there >> would [ __ ] me up on a level I can't
00:51:10
describe. It makes me think of the [ __ ] six sense. >> Yep. >> That [ __ ] cabinet.
00:51:15
>> Yep. >> And like and they lock them. I can't even think of that scene cuz that scene that scene scared
00:51:24
the the voice in that [ __ ] cabinet. The growl. Oh my god. >> No, I hate it. >> That just makes me think of it.
00:51:30
>> I hate it. Guys, do you know that Mikey's never seen The Six Sense? >> He doesn't know.
00:51:34
>> He doesn't know. We should show you that. It's such a good movie, but it's so [ __ ] up.
00:51:38
>> We got to show you. >> So, shocked by the statement, Carolyn and Sam were like, "Okay, given
00:51:43
everything we know, the seller seems like the most obvious source of the haunting." So, Sam headed out cuz he was
00:51:48
like, "Wow, this place is freaky as fuck." But I burped. He agreed that he would do some research and get back to
00:51:54
her. >> Okay. Finally, a few weeks later, he returned and among other things, he had
00:51:59
looked into whether there was like a legal loophole that might get them out of the mortgage. I realized I said
00:52:05
loophole weird. >> Okay. >> I was like, are we let that just fly by or we >> No, I didn't want to reset it, but I
00:52:12
realized I said it weird. Loophole. >> Loophole. >> Loo. >> There might be a legal loophole.
00:52:16
>> My nose is like popping. I don't know. So, in some states, if the seller had withheld any pertinent information from
00:52:22
the buyer at the time of the sale, that could nullify the contract. Unfortunately, that's not the case in
00:52:27
Rhode Island, or at least it wasn't back then. Caroline shared the information with Roger when he got back from another
00:52:33
work trip, but he was just not interested in hearing it. Andrea said he wasn't having the same experience as we
00:52:38
were having. And when he did come home exhausted, the last thing he wanted to hear was my mother saying, "Roger, I
00:52:43
think we have ghosts." >> I mean, yeah, but like, >> come on. Come on, man. >> Come on, Raj.
00:52:49
>> Come on, Raj. >> Now, years passed and the women in the parent house continued to be attacked
00:52:53
and terrified by all manner of scary [ __ ] while Roger just remained free of any harassment. I don't know if they
00:52:58
were just like, he's not worth it. He's not here. >> They were like, he doesn't care. So,
00:53:02
that's not fun. >> I feel like that would be fun. I'd [ __ ] him up if I was a girl.
00:53:05
>> I know. I'd be like, I'm going to make you believe. >> Oh, yeah. So, in time, Caroline
00:53:09
continued looking for an explanation. In that time, she continued looking for an
00:53:13
explanation for the experiences. And one day she found it in an old story once shared by the locals but mostly
00:53:20
forgotten by the time that they had moved into the town. She'd been visiting a local general store and she was
00:53:26
chitchatting with the owner, a lifelong local named Fran. Cuz that's what a lifeline a lifelong lifelong local is
00:53:33
named. >> Oh, hell yeah. I mean in I'm pretty sure in Gilmore Girls there's a lifelong
00:53:38
local named Fran. >> Yeah, there is a lifelong local name. Say lifelong local five times.
00:53:42
>> Lifelong local. That's hard. >> Five times. That's I don't think I can do it.
00:53:46
>> Yeah, I don't blame you. >> So, she's chitchatting with Fran and she finds herself telling Fran about, you
00:53:51
know, you tell Fran whatever you need to. >> Oh, you tell Fran everything. >> Exactly. So, she's like, "Hey, I was
00:53:55
attacked by a ghost woman in my house recently." >> Oh, yeah. Fran's going to take that.
00:53:58
She's going to >> No, she literally >> She'll know what to do. >> To Caroline's surprise, Fran knew
00:54:02
something about the house that nobody had ever told the family. >> It had once been the home of a woman
00:54:07
named Bath Sheba Sherman, and her neighbors believed that she was a witch. >> Oh, hell yeah.
00:54:13
>> I'm obsessed. Let's go. >> According to local legend, Bath Sheba had been a member of the Arnold family
00:54:18
who lived in the house all those years ago. And she was said to be in league with the devil and had sacrificed
00:54:24
sacrificed a child to Satan in exchange for power. >> Oh, she's a yucky one. >> No. No. When she was arrested, Bath
00:54:30
Sheba claimed that the child died in an in the case was dismissed. >> Oh, >> but still the rumors persisted around
00:54:38
town and she became an outcast, left alone in her house to her black magic. >> Oh, no. It was this Fran suggested that
00:54:45
was likely the source of the haunting. If the stories were true and Bath Sheba had in fact sacrificed a child, surely
00:54:51
an act so evil would leave a permanent stain on the land and the house. >> Oh, hell yeah it would.
00:54:56
>> And while there was literally no evidence to support that belief, Caroline said, "Yeah, I bet that
00:55:00
happened at my house." >> I mean, here's the thing. There's a lot of [ __ ] going on in that house.
00:55:06
>> Mhm. >> And then the kids saying something bad happened in there in the >> She wants to be my friend. all the
00:55:11
stinky fart smells, all the, you know, the scythes getting thrown at you. >> I might s I might, that might be my
00:55:18
first thought, too. It's like, you know what? I bet somebody did do some [ __ ] up [ __ ] like that in my head.
00:55:22
>> Oh, I would absolutely think so. >> I'd be like, that that's enough evidence for me.
00:55:26
>> I'd take it. So, knowing the potential origin of the haunting was one thing, but that still didn't help Caroline
00:55:30
solve the problem. They still had to live there. >> Then, one day in early fall of 1973,
00:55:36
help came from an unexpected place. By then, Caroline had been pretty open with a lot of people at that point about what
00:55:42
was happening in the house, including a friend who recently attended a lecture by paranormal investigator. Say it with
00:55:48
me now, Ed and Lorraine Warren. >> Oh, I've never heard of them. What? No. >> Are they Are they wellknown?
00:55:55
>> Yeah, they're like people know about them, >> are they good at what they do? >> They are. Nobody can argue that they're
00:56:01
good at what they do. >> Are they charlatans, perhaps? >> Oh my god, that word literally gets used
00:56:05
later. >> Holy [ __ ] listen to you. So yeah, maybe >> maybe Yeah. So at the time the Warren
00:56:12
actually hadn't really reached the level of notoriety that they have now that they really came to notoriety after
00:56:18
Amityville, I think. >> Oh yeah. Then they became the Warren. >> Exactly. They were not the Warren at
00:56:22
that point. They were just Ed and Loren Warren. Adorable couple. >> Yeah. >> So they were also easily accessible at
00:56:28
this point and they lived close by cuz they lived I think they lived in Rhode Island.
00:56:31
>> Oh [ __ ] They got in on the ground floor with Ed and Lorraine. >> Carolyn did. So, she placed a call to
00:56:36
the couple and they agreed. They said, "Hell yeah, I'll come down to your house." So, they tooured the house. They
00:56:41
reviewed the notes and the research that Caroline had pulled together and after doing so, Lorraine Warren agreed that
00:56:46
there was definitely an evil presence living amongst them. >> I mean, I'm with her on that.
00:56:51
>> Same. >> You know, >> after hearing the story about Bath Sheba, Lorraine informed the parents
00:56:55
that it was she who was the quote lone demonic presence in the house and all the other paranormal activity was drawn
00:57:01
to her or commanded by her. >> Oh [ __ ] so grateful that somebody was finally taking her plight seriously. A
00:57:08
wave of relief washed over Caroline when Lorine not only believed her but also said, "Hey, I think we can help you
00:57:14
here." Oh, hell yeah. Unfortunately, what Caroline thought was a story shared in confidence soon turned out to be
00:57:20
anything but. Ed and Lorraine definitely would do their best to help the family,
00:57:25
but they also would create a public spectacle that would benefit them more than the parents.
00:57:29
>> Yeah. And at that point, there was no knowledge of their uh wy ways with the media.
00:57:35
>> Uhhuh. >> Yeah. >> So before Caroline even knew what was happening, there were strangers showing
00:57:39
up outside of her house all the time to get a look at the haunted house. Every few days, ghost hunters were arriving at
00:57:45
the door offering their services. Um, one ghost hunter included a man who insisted that he could solve the problem
00:57:51
with quote, "Only one tool of the trade in his hand, his holy Bible." I don't think you can do that.
00:57:57
>> He didn't. It was only later that Carolyn and Roger found out that in between their first meeting and their
00:58:03
last one, Ed and Lorraine shared their story at an unknown number of lectures given around New England.
00:58:09
>> Oh, Ed and Lorraine. >> So, they were just like, "Hey, this address in Harris Harrisburg or
00:58:13
Harrisburg address." >> Yeah. This place in [ __ ] Rhode Island, go see it. Check it out. In
00:58:18
October, Ed and Lorraine came back to the house for what uh Carolyn was told would be a seance, but what turned out
00:58:24
to be what Joe Nickel described as part of a ghost hunting session with lots of cumbersome equipment and part intended
00:58:31
exorcism, including in addition to a medium, shaman, holy woman, and a parasychologist and also a priest. Whoa.
00:58:39
So, she was like, I thought we were just having a seance. Who are all these people?
00:58:42
>> Yeah, I thought we were just sitting around with some candles. >> Yeah. So she was scared about Roger's
00:58:46
reaction initially, so she didn't tell him about the seance. >> Oh, no. >> Until the Warren got there to perform
00:58:52
said seance. >> Oh, babe. >> And Roger was livid. >> Yeah. I mean, here's the thing.
00:58:59
>> You got to inform everybody of your >> seance. I too would be pissed if a seance was occurring without my
00:59:03
knowledge. >> Yeah. But he would have stopped the seance. So, I get both sides. >> He would. That's the thing. I understand
00:59:07
that she didn't want to say anything because he would have been like, "We're not doing a [ __ ] seance."
00:59:10
>> And she needed to do a [ __ ] seance >> and you need to do a [ __ ] seance. But
00:59:13
I can understand. I would also be aggravated if it's complicated >> if people if Ed and Lorraine Warren
00:59:19
showed up at my house with seance accut and like a whole entourage >> of seance people
00:59:24
>> of like seance people and like holy men and women. >> Yeah. >> Just unannounced and John was like I
00:59:31
might have set this up. >> I don't like unexpected. >> I'd be like >> sick idea.
00:59:35
>> Yeah. >> But you have to tell me ahead of time. >> I don't even like when solar panel
00:59:39
people show up at my house unexpectedly. So I get it. >> I don't like any of that,
00:59:42
>> you know. So he was pissed, but he was like, "Okay, do your seance." >> At least he was like, "Do your science."
00:59:47
You know, >> but he was he was pretty pissed about it. I mean, so over the course of the
00:59:51
evening, Ed and Lorraine, with the help of all of their entourage, guided Carolyn through a ritual cleansing
00:59:56
intended to drive Bath Sheba out of the house. Huh. >> During the cleansing, Caroline started
01:00:02
mumbling incoherently, and a quote low-pitched guttural utterance emerged from deep within her being as her
01:00:08
quaking body trembled in place. Holy [ __ ] Yeah, lots was going on. >> Wow. >> After lots of shouting, prayer, and
01:00:17
exorcism of what they were told was the demon that had entered Caroline's body, Roger had had enough. And he tried to
01:00:23
intervene in what he thought was a hoax. But when he stepped forward, Ed tried to
01:00:28
pull away from the exorcism, tried to pull him away, and that caused Roger to whip around and punch Ed directly in the
01:00:35
face, dropping him down to the ground. Bam! Ed went down. I was just going to >> Roger super [ __ ]
01:00:43
>> I'll send you a copy. >> Yeah. So, seeing her husband bleeding from the face.
01:00:48
>> Oh no. >> Lorraine ran to his side and started wiping the blood and Roger used the
01:00:53
break and the chaos to demand that everybody get the [ __ ] out of his house. >> Yeah. He said, "This is getting crazy."
01:00:58
>> And with that, the seance came to an end. >> Oh no. >> Now, in her memoirs, Andrea Parn
01:01:03
recalled her father's demeanor after the Warren and the others left that night. She said he bitterly resented the
01:01:08
intrusion, the theatrical farce of pseudo intellectual endeavor. Ooh. He also called the entire scene ritual
01:01:15
ritualistic nonsense and shouted at his wife, "Do you realize you're being played by a pair of two bit charlatans?"
01:01:22
>> Charlatans. >> I told you. >> I mean, >> that's You shouldn't yell at your wife.
01:01:27
>> You shouldn't yell at your wife. What he said was a little bit valid. >> Was he correct? Maybe. But I like
01:01:32
>> that's not nice. But like whatever, Roger, >> cuz obviously something is going on in
01:01:36
this house. >> If she's that desperate to get rid of it. Exactly. >> And these kids are feeling it. The kids
01:01:41
are saying [ __ ] Things going down. She's a mama trying to help her children. >> I'm team Carolyn.
01:01:48
>> Me, too. Thank you. >> You know, >> now at the time, his behavior and his perspective seemed unwarranted, but at
01:01:54
as an adult now, Andrea kind of gets where he was coming from giving given the circumstances. According to her,
01:02:00
later in life, Roger quote admitted that he didn't want to believe his wife because he didn't want to think that he
01:02:05
had put his family in a perilous situation with the purchase of the house. >> I wondered if there was some like guilt.
01:02:11
>> I think so >> going on there and and also that he's not home a lot to protect them. So,
01:02:15
>> I definitely think >> he doesn't want to believe that there's any kind of danger that's happening that
01:02:19
he can't be around to help, >> right? He probably like put it out of his head and and just not reacting in a
01:02:25
way that is >> telling us that. >> Yeah, it's the ' 70s. He's a man. What's he to do?
01:02:30
>> What's he to do? So, after the seance, things did seem to calm down in the house, but the activity never did
01:02:35
completely. They kept living in the house until 1980 when they finally decided it was time to move. Andrea
01:02:41
said, "My mother told my father she would not survive another winter in that house. She'd been under attack in that
01:02:46
house for 10 years." >> Damn, you must be tired after that. >> Yeah. In the decades since they moved
01:02:51
out, other people have lived in the house, and nobody's reported supernatural activity that's lived
01:02:56
there. Non-supnatural harassment, on the other hand, has been occurring regularly
01:03:00
since the parents story was made public. Uh, reaching a peak with The Conjuring in 2013, that movie that was released. I
01:03:06
don't know if you've heard of it. >> According to former homeowner Norma Sutcliffe, she and her husband were
01:03:12
quote plagued by a Conjuring instigated siege of their property. >> That's included countless uh harassing
01:03:18
phone calls and people just randomly showing up at their house. Damn. >> Which is shitty.
01:03:22
>> Yeah. As for Andrea, who has now had decades to consider her own experiences and her family's experiences, she kind
01:03:29
of lands somewhere in between skeptic Joe Nickel and true believers Ed and Lorraine Warren.
01:03:34
>> Okay. >> She definitely believes that the house was haunted, but when it comes to the
01:03:38
cause, she's not sure. >> Yeah, I could see that. >> The release of the film based loosely on
01:03:42
her family's experiences uh prompted a significant interest, too, in the legend of Bath Sheba Sherman, who Andrea and
01:03:49
local historians now believe was unfairly maligned. Oh, Bath Sheba. >> Yeah, not only by history, but also by
01:03:54
the Warren. In a recent interview, Andrea said, "Essentially, Bath Sheba cpped the blame for everything evil."
01:04:00
And it simply wasn't the case. >> A not long after moving out of the house, Carolyn and Roger divorced, and
01:04:06
they went their separate ways, but they both did their best to maintain positive
01:04:09
relationships with their kids. >> That's good. >> And they occasionally appear in uh media
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relating to the to the haunting, but they lived their lives mostly out of the spotlight.
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>> Oh, good for them. >> Yeah, >> I'm glad they live. They kind of just separated from it.
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>> Yeah, me too. I think it was for the best. And I really do believe that this was like I do I think Roger reacted
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great in all those circumstanc It was a little poor. >> But I do think Andrea, like the
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daughter, is correct. That probably was a lot >> of guilt. >> Oh yeah, an underlying guilt thing for
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sure. I want to go to the Conjuring House so badly. >> I want to too. And they said, I know. I forgot about that.
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>> John got me tickets to go there and have a medium there. >> That would have been sick.
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>> For our anniversary >> and then he had to go and get vertigo. >> And then he got a horrible case of
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vertigo. >> Yeah. >> And we couldn't go. You and I should have gone. >> I know. On our on my anniversary. He
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honestly wanted us to. >> So yeah, that's my story of the Conjuring House. But yeah, Karin and
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Sabrina spent the night there. >> Yeah. I forget what they said. I remember they said it was definitely
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like [ __ ] >> They felt some [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I want to go, but I think I don't
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I can you go now? >> Yeah. It leads you to like a weird empty page. So I don't think you can go. If
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you look on the Google page, like the homepage way, when you search it, it says closed temporarily.
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>> Well, temporarily. >> Yeah, >> at least there's that. >> I would like to go. >> I want to go. Maybe we'll go.
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>> But yeah, that's crazy. >> It is. I am by it. >> But I love haunted episodes. They're so
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much fun. >> I love hauntings. I know they're horrifying for the people who live
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through them, but I >> I love hearing them. >> I really love hearing the stories of
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hauntings. So guys, we hope that you love us and we hope that you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird,
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but not so much that you also don't love hauntings. >> Yeah, love hauntings. >> Love them cuz it's almost spooky season.
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>> Oh my god, we're so close. >> We're so close. We're out of winter. That means it's spooky season.
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>> Only like 5 and 1/2 months. >> Oh, that's [ __ ] nothing. Zero. >> Less than half a year.
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>> All right, party. We're here. It's Halloween.