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Hey weirdos. I'm Molina. I'm Ash. And this is Morbid. [music] >> And again. It's in the morning.
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[singing] >> I want to add like a little like clink cheers effect to that. >> I know. We need to add a cheers uh sound
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effect of some sort. >> Yeah. like >> cuz it's it's a it's a different vibe in the morning.
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>> It is. >> It's a good vibe in the morning. >> I love the morning vibe. I you know,
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[clears throat] >> for the past few years, I probably would have been pretty feeling rank ass about
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waking up this early and recording. >> This morning I woke up early. I said, I'm so excited to go record with my
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sister today. >> Yeah, I'm so I'm I'm I love it in here. >> It's the vibes [laughter] are [ __ ]
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impeccable. So happy. So happy to talk to you. So happy to talk to these fine folks out there.
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>> Happy that you guys are ready for a [ __ ] Twilight guys. >> Killing us with those comments.
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>> I'm crying. I have eye patches on right now. Like little uh [laughter] >> I feel like when you say eye patch,
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people picture like that lady from >> under eye patch. >> Under eye patch. Thank you. What's the
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the um Twin Peaks? That lady. >> Oh, there you go. Yeah. >> But uh but yeah, I'm so [ __ ] excited.
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We will be doing Twilight for November bonus episode. >> So excited about it. Please, if you ha
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if you haven't ever watched it, now's the time. >> Give it a watch so we can we can discuss
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it together. I'm serious. You guys had us like rolling on the floor laughing with your comments.
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>> Um, I love that you appreciated that episode, the Cryptids of the Midwest. >> It was so fun. That was a fun [ __ ]
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episode to record. >> I saw so many people say like, "This felt like 2018." Which made me so happy.
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>> Cryptids. It was mini morbid. We were goofy. like cuz it's just >> this is just natural
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>> how happy we feel right now. And it feels good that it's coming out and that you guys are feeling it.
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>> Uh cuz that's all we want this to be is just, you know, some fun and some some
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serious moments, but some fun along the way. >> I see what you did there. >> Some some serious moments. Some serious
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XM moments. Uh [laughter] many of them some serious XM media moments. >> Yeah. you know. Uh but but yeah, we've
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we've had a lot of fun. So, I'm excited to do Twilight. >> I'm so excited for Twilight. And who
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knows, maybe we'll like spread a couple like we'll do some bonus episodes in between them that are different themed
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and then maybe we'll pop up with a new moon one and we'll go through all of them.
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>> We'll just throw one of the series in there. >> It's also weirdly kismmet timing because
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I didn't mean this. >> No, we didn't mean this at all. I just heard that um all five movies are going
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back into theaters like in a couple weeks. It might even be next week. >> Yeah. And it feels, we were just saying
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it feels like November is Twilight cuz it's [singing] >> Wait, that was really beautiful. That
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really was. >> I think we just harmonized. You started a little bit after me, which is
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harmonizing. >> It took a moment. Yeah. >> No, but it was it worked out. >> Oh, yeah. It was on purpose. Totally.
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>> Yeah. We wrote it out. >> Speaking of that, also I um I changed my alarm sound to that. M. Um, so it starts
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in the morning with >> and then it goes into the >> I got to try that. >> It's a good So far I've only been trying
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it this week >> cuz I was doing the Yeah, cuz um I gave John my >> my other alarm that I was using.
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>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Cuz it's a great alarm. >> The sunlight one. I have that one.
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>> I gave him that one. And then because I just really wanted to hatch because one
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I have one for one of the kids for like a sound machine thing >> and so you can connect your account like
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you can connect them all together >> and there's so many options for once I saw that you could get the great Gatsby
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read to you at night on the hatch. I said well I need to get that one. >> You said say less fam.
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>> Yeah. They said you want to have West Egg like lull you into sleep and I said
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yep. >> And um I do you can wake up to like the LA from Gilmore. >> Yeah I did do that. That was nice, I
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will say. But I could say I see that getting old. Yeah. Like if you did it every morning. It was a nice for It was
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a nice one for like a week and then I moved away from it. I think it's these alarms. I feel like you need to rotate
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them. >> Yeah. Cuz you'll ruin too many times and you're going to be like, I hate this
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sound. In high school, I used to set um I feel like I forget how I did it, but you could like set like certain songs to
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be your alarm, like legitimate songs. And I learned quickly that you just shouldn't do that. Yeah. Like
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>> you ruined that >> necessarily, you know, like your favorite songs. >> Yeah. >> Something like a ha haha is
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>> honestly it's just cuz it's the hatch is also like a sunlight alarm. So it does
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that like sunlight too >> and you get that that and honestly that like beginning riff of
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like that guitar riff is sexy. >> That's a sexy way to wake up. >> It gets you up that I was like you know
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maybe I'll become a vampire today. I don't know. Maybe I'll be that girl TM. >> Yeah, maybe I will. Okay,
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>> I think you already are that girl TM, but yeah, you bet. >> Appreciate. >> Totally, girl.
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>> Also, someone in the comments and we'll talk about it on the bonus episode note
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like way more. Somebody in the comments said uh that they are no team except for
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Bella's dad. [laughter] >> And honestly, that's what watching as an adult will do.
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>> I said that's that's immaturing is becoming a Charlie Swan. Team Charlie Swan. Yeah, cuz I was like I think I
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read the Twilight like and again we'll get way more into it, but I think I read all the Twilight books in like middle
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school and then the movies came out when I was in like seventh or eighth grade. So I was like fully like in with Jacob
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and Edward. I was fully team Edward. >> Yeah. >> But watching now you're like Charlie
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Swan is a zatty. >> Yeah, I kind of realized that right off the bat to be honest.
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>> Well, you were a little bit older. I was a little older but I but I was not team
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Charlie. I was I was still a team Edward. I don't really think there was team Charlie back then. It was simply
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>> Jacob or or Edward, >> but so much to talk about in the bonus episode. I am >> so excited.
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>> So soon because Elena goes, we can record that like I'm ready. Like let's [laughter]
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talk about it. >> But today we're going to be talking about one a wild haunting.
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>> Uh one that I have wanted to cover actually. I think I think that when we um talked to Sam and Colby about a
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couple of places they'd been, they mentioned this house. >> Oh, I think you're right.
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>> And some crazy [ __ ] happened to them in this house. >> I think you're exactly um Exactly right.
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>> You know, check out Yeah. You know, Karen and George. >> I know. As I said that, I [laughter] was
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like, I am literally shouting out queens. Our queens. Uh but yeah, I think so. I'm fairly certain, unless I'm
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completely insane, which is a very >> thing that could happen, that they probably have a video about this house.
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So, >> I'll look it up just to make sure you're not a liar, but I think you're right.
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>> If they do, you should go look at the video after this because they're, you know, adorable. Uh, so this is the Sally
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House or um what Dave has entitled this episode, which made me um laugh was Sally the Manhater.
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>> Sally the Manhater. >> Sally the Manhater. >> Yeah. Um they have a video Sam and Colby
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just to go back really quick. Our demonic encounter at Haunted Sally House. >> See? Yeah. So So go watch that after.
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All right. So let's talk about Sally House. Huh. So, by the time Deb met Tony, which like Deb and Tony love,
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>> could you get a better couple? >> No. >> Uh, in the early 1990s, she had already
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lived more of her life in 29 years than most people do in a lifetime. >> She had one of those lives, so which you
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understand. >> Yeah. >> Um to to a degree, maybe like to a deb degree. Um, you know, we'll see perhaps.
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I think I think it's all relative. All right. Um, so she left home at age 16. Um, and she'd spent years moving around
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the Midwest from one state to another. Um, she'd married and divorced three times before finally landing in Kansas
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in early 1992 just after leaving her third husband. >> Damn. 29. >> Yeah, >> that's She's been three.
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>> That sucks. >> Yeah. >> Tony Pikman is, you know, he was in a similar situation when when they met.
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Uh, he had just gone through a difficult breakup, a bad marriage, and they hit it
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off immediately. >> Yeah. I mean, that that'll bond you. >> Yeah. According to Deb, from the moment
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they met, quote, "Not a day passed that we did not call or see each other." >> Cute.
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>> They dated for a brief period before Tony asked Deb to move in with him a few
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months later. And not long after, he proposed and they set a date for a February wedding.
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>> Beautiful. >> Adorable. Not long after the proposal, the couple learned that Deb was
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pregnant. >> Oh, they're in love. They moved up the date of the wedding to November 1992 and
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made everything official at the courthouse. >> I love a November wedding. >> A November wedding. Look at that.
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November. >> I know. >> At the time, Tony and Deb were sharing a small one-bedroom apartment in um Aches,
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Kansas, which is a small city in the northeast part of the state. >> Uh it's along the uh Missouri River,
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>> Missouri. >> But now Missouri. So, with a baby on the way though, the couple knew they were
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going to need more space. They needed a bigger place to live. So, they started looking for homes to rent. Uh Deb said,
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"We knew that finding our ideal house was not going to be easy. In a small town, you all you all but have to know
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someone to get a decent place to rent. >> Makes sense. >> So Deb and Tony looked at a few places
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that she described as dumps before a tip, which I feel like everybody thinks that like before you get your actual
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like >> the place you love, you're like everything else was a [ __ ] dump. >> Yes.
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>> Just [ __ ] pile. >> I think about my first apartment. Honey, that place was a dump.
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>> And and at the And it's like a nice place at the time. >> Oh, it was at at the time I was like,
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>> this is living but dumb. And then I look back and I'm like, it was weird to walk
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past like a bunch of natty ice on the [ __ ] lawn every morning. So many college kids lived in that place. Uh,
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but then they got a tip from Tony's brother, George, that led them to a small rental home a few blocks from the
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banks of the river. >> And it was conveniently located next door to George and his wife, his
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brother. >> Nice. >> Um, the house was so cute. >> Yeah. Like he's like, you know, you can
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just live next to me. >> Yeah. >> So, the house was built in the late 19th century. It was the oldest on the block
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and it was a little rundown, but it seemed to have everything that Tony and Deb were looking for. She later said,
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"When we found this house, it seemed perfect for us. It was spacious. It had several bedrooms. It was just the
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perfect house." >> Nice. >> According to the landlord, who just pro purchased the property a month before
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that, he planned to work on the outside of the house over time, but he'd done a fairly decent makeover on the inside.
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>> Cool. After all the formalities were taken care of, they moved into the house
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in December with Deb finally feeling like everything was falling into place. >> Oh no.
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>> That feeling of peace and contentment did not last long because this is a story on morbid. We're [laughter] not
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telling you like this tale that just went well. >> And then they had their baby and life
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was beautiful. Keep it weird. >> The end. See you for Twilight. [laughter] Um so yeah, it didn't last long. On the
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evening of Valentine's Day 1993, Deb came home to find that Tony had made a large dinner for them to celebrate the
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holiday and the fact that they were finally settled in the house. After dinner, they were sitting on the couch
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probably just being like in love. >> I love you. I love you. >> I love you. >> And that's when the overhead light began
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the cycle of, you know, through dimming and turning on several times. >> Okay, that would freak me out, but also
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at the same time, I'd be like, old house. >> Here's the thing. My lights do that a
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lot. Yeah, it's just one of the like they just they dim, they turn to full brightness, then they kind of like
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settle. >> We grew up in a haunted house. >> Haunted house. >> Yeah. And the way they described it was
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it seemed like someone was adjusting the dimmer switch. >> Okay. >> Like putting it down and then full
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brightness, then down again. >> Okay. >> The problem was though, the home didn't
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have dimmer switches. >> Yeah, that's a problem. >> The fact that it was dimming and getting
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to full brightness was a little weird. Uh and they just couldn't account for what was happening. So they were like,
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"That was weird." >> Yeah. >> The lighting problems continued off and on for a period of a few weeks and was
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eventually accompanied by the television turning on and off by itself. >> Oo, it's giving poltergeist.
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>> Yeah. So, but they looked at it very logically. They said, "Okay, we have some kind of electrical problem."
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Obviously, think I would look at it that way. Well, I would just Now, >> you just said Poltergeist, right?
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>> Me, I'd be like, "Oh, [ __ ] poltergeist." Poltergeist. >> Before I did this show, I'd be like,
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"Oh, I should call Papa. That's an electricity problem. >> Let me call my dad." >> Yeah. So Tony said he would call the
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landlord, not my dad, uh to get everything worked out. But he also joked, "We must have a ghost."
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>> Oh, no. Fortunately, >> now you've acknowledged [laughter] it. >> Strangely, Deb calls the night Tony made
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the joke as the last time they had any trouble with the lights. >> Huh. Which is interesting. In
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retrospect, she wonders whether the electrical problems were quote a way to get our attention or be noticed. And
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once they got it, they're like, "We gotcha." >> Oh, >> yeah. In the weeks that followed, neither Deb
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nor Tony noticed any unusual activity in the house at all. >> Okay. >> But the animals, they had three cats and
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a dog. >> Same. >> Oh my god. You I didn't even think about >> parallel lives. >> They all seemed very uncomfortable and
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restless a lot of the times. >> For instance, before the baby furniture had been delivered and installed in the
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nursery, their dog Sasha would often sit outside the empty room snarling or emitting a low growl.
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>> Oh, [ __ ] though, as far as Tony and Deb could tell, the room was completely
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empty. There was no like mice or anything else in there. >> That room was full of something. That
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room was chalk full of chalk full of bad [ __ ] >> This behavior continued for several
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weeks before just inexplicably ending one afternoon. >> And after that, Sasha seemed to have no
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problem entering the soontobe nursery. >> That's weird. So, it's like there was something in there for a while and then
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it left. Well, I wonder if it was because it was empty. Whatever it was felt like comfortable in there or like
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>> But then when they started moving stuff in it moved. >> Yeah, maybe. >> For whatever reason.
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>> Very interesting. >> Maybe they were nice and they were like, "Fuck, a baby's going to live here. I
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got to >> Yeah, I got to get out of here." Uh, well, I've never heard of a haunting
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quite like this one where it's like things happened almost to get their attention and then they stop.
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>> That is interesting. >> Or they start, they piss off the dog, then they stop. Yeah. You know, like
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usually things don't stop and start, they like keep going. >> Yeah. And ramp up over time. I don't
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I've never actually sat down and listened to like the full gamut of this uh story. So, I'm excited.
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>> It's gnarly in there. Like the if you watch the Sam and Colby episode, they get like scratched and [ __ ] Like it's
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gnarly. Like it >> it's intense in there. >> Yeah. I don't like places where you get
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scratched. That's not my thing. >> Now, the first major event happened in late March 1993. Deb was in her third
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trimester at the time and due to the pregnancy, she found the couple's water bed a little uncomfortable to sleep in,
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which I cannot [ __ ] imagine sleeping on a water bed when I was in my third trimester.
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>> I would have popped a hole in it >> 100%. >> So instead, she was sleeping downstairs
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on the couch in the living room just to get any kind of relief. [laughter] Um >> when it's hard to like even lay properly
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when you're that pregnant, I'm sure >> cuz you really can't. >> Yeah. Now, one evening, Deb was woken
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from sleep around 3:30 a.m. by what she described as a blood curdling scream, then several loud, quick thumps coming
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down the stairs. >> Oh, just that. >> Yeah. Like somebody screamed and then like fell down the stairs.
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>> The [ __ ] And it's only her and her husband. >> In her semic-conscious state, she
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immediately feared someone had broken into the house and attacked Tony. but before she could even sit up because my
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girl Deb was like, "Someone's attacking Tony. I may be in my third trimester, but I'm gonna go help that man." Like,
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that's that's queen [ __ ] >> Yeah, that's wife [ __ ] >> Yeah, that's wife. >> That's a wifey for lifey.
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>> So, she she was terrified, but before she could even sit up, she felt something heavy strike her in the face
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and chest as though someone had slammed into her with their full weight. >> Oh, you better back off my my pregnant
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girl. >> Yeah. terrified. She screamed at the top of her lungs, which brought Tony running
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from the second floor to check on her >> for several minutes. They just they just
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continued screaming, both of them. Like they was like, "Ah, like what's going on?" [laughter]
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>> That's kind of iconic. >> And then he said and then it occurred to Tony that they had no idea what they
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were screaming. [laughter] >> I love these people. They're so real for that. >> They're so real for that. [laughter]
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Like that's the realest [ __ ] it is. >> Because to be quite honest, >> same. If I thought someone was attacking
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John and then an unseen entity slammed into me downstairs, >> scream for a while.
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>> I would scream and then I know he would come screaming down the stairs and then
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we would all just scream and we too would be like, >> "What exactly are we screaming?"
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[laughter] >> The screams we would scrumpt before realizing, "What are we scrumping
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about?" >> realizing we're doing nothing but screaming. >> Yeah. Now, once she had calmed down, Deb
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tried to explain to her husband what had happened, but she found it a little difficult to describe. She's like, "I
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don't know. Like, someone hit me. >> I'm going to sound cuckoo." >> Ultimately, they decided she must have
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been dreaming. And the scream and thumping sound she heard probably came maybe from like the cats like running
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really. >> Oh, honey. >> Cuz you know, cats can go, you know, they can go crazy.
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>> They get the zoo and they get the zooies at 3:00 a.m. So, it's not >> three of them. So like if three of them
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are pounding down the stairs, you know, like it can sound a little in your tired
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state, it can probably sound very loud. >> Yeah. And I mean a lot of times they'll
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like meow at each other like loudly. >> Yeah. Like so so it could sound like screaming.
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>> Exactly. >> And they said the heavy blow she felt around her chest and body could have
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also been one of the cats jumping onto her from the top edge of the couch. >> 100%. In fact, the cats did seem
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particularly agitated at that moment. So the whole thing made sense to them. They
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were like, "Look at these two myth busting." >> Yeah. >> Over here, they're just mythb like
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debunked. >> Now, it was only later that Deb wondered what had caused the animals to be so
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agitated in the first place. >> Yeah. >> Cuz this wasn't regular zooies. Like, they were
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>> You can distinguish, right? >> After being woken in terror that night, things in the house went back to normal
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and remained that way until that summer when Deb gave birth to their son Taylor in mid June. However, in the weeks after
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he was born, Deb began to notice strange and like little subtle things that she couldn't really explain. And it occurred
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most often while Tony was away at work. >> Oh, I hate that. Which must have been
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really annoying cuz she's like, "Everybody probably thinks I'm crazy and making >> Now, at first, the inexplicable
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incidents Deb noticed were pretty small. uh like you know on multiple occasions after putting Taylor in his crib for a
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nap or something Deb would go to the kitchen to bake or prepare dinner and she tended to be a little forgetful. So
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she would often set a timer for herself to know when to check the oven. >> Okay.
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>> But on several occasions she would return to the kitchen a few minutes after setting the timer to find that it
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either either had been reset to have far more or less time than she'd initially set it for. That is such a dick move.
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>> That's the thing. Such a dick move. >> What an [ __ ] move. >> I would also be so scared that there was
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somebody lurking in my walls. >> Honestly, I like I think my first thought would not even be ghost in this
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moment. I'd be like, "Oh, there's somebody in here." >> And it's like, not only are you trying
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to like burn my house down essentially, but also >> you're ruining my baking. I'm going to
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[ __ ] burn whatever I'm making. You [ __ ] >> Yeah. Or undercook it and then have to
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like set this [ __ ] all over again. Exactly. [ __ ] off. Now on at other times she would be sitting in the living room
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reading or watching TV when the timer on the oven would go off on its own without
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having been set and without anything in the oven >> and she's like don't wake up my [ __ ]
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Yeah. Now initially Deb kept these instances to herself and she was just like you know what maybe I'm being
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careless. I'm tired. I just had a baby. Yeah. >> Maybe I'm just Yeah. Maybe I'm just like
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setting things by accident. But about a month after the baby was born, something
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happened in this house that could not be ignored or explained away as easy. So far, they've been able to explain away.
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Just mythbust, but >> I'm so scared right now. >> In August, a little over a month after
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Taylor was born, Deb's sister Karen came to stay with them for a few weeks just to visit and help out with the baby.
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Being a good sister. One afternoon, while Tony was hanging photos in the upstairs hallway, he heard a strange
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shuffling noise coming from the nursery, which was just a few feet away from him.
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So, he stuck his head in the room to check on the baby. And he was surprised to find that several of the stuffed toys
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that were previously placed around the room had been moved and were now arranged in a circle at the center of
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the room, all facing outward. [screaming] >> I hate that a lot. Ew. Oh my god, the
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chill. that is courarssing throughout my [ __ ] >> body. He's in a crib. Like it's not
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>> I'm wearing a shacket and I'm freezing. >> Yeah. >> All facing outward, too. >> No, that's the part that I really It's
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the circle in the outward. Please, do you see my goosebumps across the room? Let me roll up my shacket.
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>> Yeah, my shacket. >> Ew. >> Yeah. >> No, I You move out that very day. I don't care where you live next door with
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your sister. I would literally show up at your front door with all of my belongings and say, "Hi, I live here
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now." >> Yep. Here I Here I am. >> Ew. Yeah. And Tony had put the baby like down himself for the nap.
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[laughter] He was like, "I didn't do it." He said he'd been in the hallway ever since hanging hanging things. He
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had nobody in there. He said he would have seen if Deborah, her sister, had gone in and somehow arranged toys on the
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floor. >> Why does that literally make me want to throw >> It's so weird. And it's it's just like
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why why did you do that? >> Yeah. So he calls out for them like Deb and Karen who were sitting in the living
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room downstairs and they were horrified and surprised by this whole thing. And Deb later said, "We sort of played it
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off as if someone had gotten into the house and played a little prank." >> Okay.
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>> Which I was like, >> "Okay, [gasps] Deb." >> But here's the thing. Since they were
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young, Tony and his brother George had been engaged in a very light-hearted and longunning prank war with each other.
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Cuz remember, they live right next door. >> Yep. >> So they couldn't figure out how that he
00:22:08
had done it. They're like, "Damn, good." >> They were like, "Wow, George, that was
00:22:12
crazy." Not even going to ask how you did it. Like they were just like, "Totally George."
00:22:17
>> That also was probably like subconsciously them being like mechanism. >> George, it was George. It's just
00:22:24
[laughter] so funny. >> They were like, "Yeah, I don't know how George did that, but like [ __ ] George."
00:22:28
>> That was crazy. >> Not even going to confirm it was him. >> George is like, "What?" George is like,
00:22:32
"That's a weird [ __ ] I did not crawl in your baby's room and rearrange his toys." George said that's simply
00:22:38
demonic. Yeah. He was like, "Pranks be damned." Like I I'm not going that far. >> No.
00:22:44
>> So Deb laughed it off, you know. She's like, "Oh, George." You know, just George being George.
00:22:48
>> Yeah. She just gathered up the toys from the floor, put them back where they belonged, and she was like, "Bye."
00:22:52
[laughter] >> No. >> Oh, no. >> Just a few minutes later, they all heard the shuffling sound again, and when they
00:22:57
returned to the nursery, >> the toys were all back in the circle. >> No. Shut the [ __ ] up and stop telling me
00:23:03
that. >> Yeah. Deb later said, "The three of us stood there for the longest time just
00:23:08
shifting our eyes around the room and eyeing each other. They looked around the room and they were like, "Okay, we
00:23:14
need to figure out how I love it. They're like, "We need to figure out how George pulled off this elaborate [ __ ]
00:23:20
prank >> again." >> But they found nothing. Nothing that suggested that anyone else had been in
00:23:25
that room. That the windows were closed and locked. No one in the closet. There was no other way to get in there. They
00:23:30
could not figure it out. Ew. [music] >> [bell] [music] >> So although the circle of toys was I at
00:23:48
its root harmless, I mean like no one got hurt. Yeah. You know, and they were convincing themselves that George did
00:23:55
somehow. >> The experience was still unnerving because they all knew that it wasn't
00:23:59
George. They were just convincing themselves >> like I was saying earlier. Exactly.
00:24:02
>> So, they all slept in the living room downstairs that night, >> including the baby. [laughter]
00:24:06
>> I'm I'm so glad to hear that. I'm like, "Stop putting that baby in there." >> And Tony said, "That night really put a
00:24:12
chill down our spines." >> Yeah. >> To actually have something physically move in a matter of minutes, it scared
00:24:17
us. >> And like twice. >> Yeah. The next day, Deb called her sister-in-law, Jeanie, who she knew had
00:24:23
been at the house the previous afternoon. And not wanting to sound like she was losing her mind, Deb just kind
00:24:28
of asked a few gentle questions of Where where was George? >> asking whether she had noticed anything
00:24:33
strange when she was at the house the previous day until she eventually just outright asked whether she'd moved
00:24:39
anything around the nursery. And sensing that Deb was very anxious, Jeanie was like, "No, I have not touched anything
00:24:46
in your house. Like, no way." >> And she was fairly certain that George had not either. She was like, "I don't
00:24:51
think he's gone over your house." >> I didn't see him crawling in the windows at any point yesterday.
00:24:55
>> Like very quickly. I don't see him like using fishing line to like move all [laughter] of them back. That's exactly
00:25:00
what I was picturing. But Deb explained why she was asking and Jeanie paused before telling her the day before that
00:25:06
when she was at the house, she didn't see anything strange, but she said, "I did get a very weird feeling while I was
00:25:12
there." >> Ooh. >> She couldn't quite put her finger on it, but Jeanie said she felt this like
00:25:16
strange cold sensation, and when she went into the nursery, she got this distinct feeling of unease.
00:25:22
>> She said as though she wasn't wanted in there. >> And she said, "I it was it was really
00:25:28
strange. I can't explain it. >> Oh, that's really >> So, like just her being like, "You know
00:25:31
what? I didn't see anything, but like I felt some [ __ ] in there." >> Yeah. >> Now, the days after this, Deb, Tony, and
00:25:37
Karen began noticing other weird things around the house. They'd turn the lights
00:25:42
off before leaving a room only to reach the bottom of the stairs and look up to see the lights were back on.
00:25:46
>> And that would be [ __ ] annoying because electricity is not >> electricity. Yeah. And in the nursery,
00:25:51
they could hear unusual sounds coming through the baby monitor, but when they checked the room, nothing was there. I
00:25:57
got to tell you, when I have kids, that's my biggest fear. Baby monitor, like even babysitting back in the day, I
00:26:03
babysat at like the height of paranormal activity. And I used to get so [ __ ] nervous checking the baby monitors.
00:26:09
>> See or hear something horrifying. I was always terrified I was going to see something horrifying on it
00:26:14
>> and have to go in there and rescue the baby, too. When you're like 17 and you're solely responsible for a baby and
00:26:19
you're afraid it might get demonically possessed, that's a lot. >> Yeah. >> That still lives in my nervous system. I
00:26:24
think I think we we can all we can all, you know, relate to that feeling. >> I think so.
00:26:30
>> Cuz I don't want to be in charge. I don't want to be in charge of someone I love who is being demonically possessed.
00:26:37
>> Yeah. >> Never mind a random person that I'm just in charge of for a job. >> I Yeah. Most of the babies that I
00:26:43
babysat weren't super random. Like I cared about them. So true. >> It was. >> So you were really might be why I have
00:26:49
IBS. >> Maybe. >> You never know. >> You know what? That is why you have IBS. Could be.
00:26:54
>> I'm declaring it right now. >> The fear of paranormal activity whilst babysitting. [snorts]
00:26:59
>> Fear of a child becoming demonically possessed while in your care is the reason you have IBS today.
00:27:05
>> Can you write me a script for that? >> Clock it in. [laughter] Let's go. So since they moved in, Deb
00:27:11
had managed to write off a lot of these strange incidents as you know a product of her imagination just misperceptions
00:27:20
being tired sleep deprived you know postpartum all that stuff. Now, when she considered everything together though,
00:27:28
it occurred to her that >> they might be dealing some with something paranormal 100%.
00:27:32
>> Because again, every like everything like by itself independently she could write off a little bit, but put it all
00:27:38
together and it's like >> even more terrifying was the idea that while it was entirely unlikely, it was
00:27:44
possible that someone had been breaking into the house or worse had been hiding in the house like I said
00:27:50
>> and coming out at night while everyone was asleep. >> Yeah, [ __ ] that. not wanting to linger
00:27:55
too long on those thoughts of like an intruder, she went back to her thoughts of like I bet it's a ghost. [laughter]
00:28:01
>> So, and she said later she said since it's playing with the toys, maybe it's a
00:28:05
child ghost. >> Okay. >> And um I think Jeanie had said that to uh to Deb cuz she knew that she seemed
00:28:12
worried. She was like, "You know what? It's playing with his to maybe this is a kid."
00:28:14
>> A little kid like running around your house >> and it's it's got like prank energy. So,
00:28:20
I get I get that. And then she said also maybe it's a nurturing woman who's trying to entertain the baby,
00:28:26
>> which is also a very nice thing to like that's some si like sister-in-law energy
00:28:31
right there. Like she could tell Deb was very nervous and anxious and like really
00:28:36
upset by it and she's like I bet it's just a little kid having some fun. Or even better, I bet it's a mom who's just
00:28:42
trying to make your kid baby happy. >> Yeah. Like you know, jumping on your chest in the middle of the night. And
00:28:46
you know, unfortunately neither of these options seemed pretty calming to Deb. She was like, "That's also terrifying."
00:28:52
So, like, as a new mom or really any any kind of mom, I don't think you want another mom in your house covering. I
00:28:58
don't want another mom. No. >> Now, a few days later, Tony's other brother, Larry, Tony, Larry, and George
00:29:04
obsessed. >> He visited and the couple told him about having found those toys in a circle in
00:29:09
the nursery. And Larry had always been more skeptical and analytical, you know, especially of among the brothers. And
00:29:17
Tony had that he, you know, he kind of hoped his brother's like sensible perspective might help make them feel
00:29:23
better. >> Yeah. >> Uh, at first when they explained everything that had happened in the
00:29:26
house, Larry assumed they were joking. >> He was like, "No, like that didn't happen." He later told Deb and Tony,
00:29:32
"The only thing that stopped me from thinking that you were all crazy was the fact that I know all of you too well."
00:29:37
>> Oh. [laughter] >> He's like, "Listen, I really thought you were [ __ ] tapped." He was like,
00:29:41
"Anyone else will think you're crazy, but I just know you guys, so I know you're not." And like you wouldn't make
00:29:45
that up. >> Larry suggested that they conduct a test and they and he said, "Why don't you
00:29:50
place one of the stuffed bears on the rocking chair in the nursery and periodically check to see if any point
00:29:56
it gets moved to a different location?" Yeah, I like that. He says scientific method.
00:30:00
>> Exactly. He said hypothesis. Let's go. So since they knew they were the only ones in the house, the only other
00:30:06
explanation would be of a paranormal nature. So let's try on out. >> Let's go. For the rest of the evening,
00:30:12
Tony, Deb, Karen, and Larry sat together talking in the living room, periodically
00:30:16
getting up to check the bear status. Uh, but after several hours passed and nothing changed, Larry suggested they
00:30:22
maybe alter their plan. And he said, "Why don't we put the toys in a circle on the floor as they had been a few days
00:30:28
earlier to see if it could prompt a reaction?" >> Okay, >> so he's Look at him. Look at him
00:30:33
switching it up and being like, "Okay, that didn't work. Let's try another thing."
00:30:36
>> Different hypothesis, Larry. 20 minutes later, they returned to the room and found the toys arranged in the circle
00:30:43
just as they had left him. But them like, you know, nothing changed. >> Nothing had moved.
00:30:47
>> So, they're feeling defeated at this point. They're like, "Okay, we really tried to get a reaction out of this
00:30:51
thing and nothing's happening." >> And at this point, they were like, "Larry thinks we're lying, right?"
00:30:57
>> Like, like a lot goes like, "Damn it." So Deb started to escort everyone out of
00:31:01
the nursery when Tony stopped them and pointed out one of the toys that was still sitting on the shelf. The stuffed
00:31:07
bean bag teddy bear, which weighed about a pound and a half, was sitting on the shelf where Tony had placed it several
00:31:13
days earlier, but now it was turned to face the wall. >> No, not Blair Witch style. No.
00:31:21
>> Yeah. >> Oh, you're going to find some eyeballs and a cloth. >> It seems super innocuous.
00:31:26
>> No, it doesn't >> cuz it's so small. No, it doesn't seem innocuous at all. >> Well, and it seems like a thing like
00:31:30
that he could have mistakenly put it that way when he put it on the shelf. Except Karen
00:31:36
>> remembers. So like the the sister remembered seeing it a few hours earlier and she said, "No, it was facing out
00:31:43
towards the room a few hours earlier when we came in here." So she's like, "No, I remember that."
00:31:47
>> No, that upsets me like actually really deep into my soul. Cuz like why are you
00:31:51
turning the bear? Why can't he see what's happening? >> E, >> why can't he see what's happening? Why
00:31:56
isn't he part of this? >> No, the end of the Blair which [ __ ] me up to this day.
00:32:00
>> I think that's it's a perfect ending. >> I think it's a perfect ending. >> And I have chills all over my body right
00:32:05
now and I'm scared. >> Yeah. >> 911. I'd like to report a scare. >> Yeah. >> Like
00:32:10
>> what are you doing that that bear can't see it? >> No. >> Is what I want to know.
00:32:13
>> I hate it. >> And what did he do to be on the outs? >> Why is he in the corner?
00:32:16
>> I want to know what his Why is he on the outs? >> I'm going to cry. >> Yeah, I might cry right now.
00:32:20
>> I'm going to cry. After getting everyone's assurance that they had not moved the stuff bear, Larry told his
00:32:26
brother he knew someone who might be able to help. >> Okay. >> His boss's wife Barbara was a fairly
00:32:30
well-known psychic in spiritual circles, >> but she and her husband had just moved
00:32:35
to California. So, he was like, I'll reach out to her, find when they're going to be back in the area.
00:32:39
>> He's like, I'll set a Zoom. >> Yeah. Like, we're going to get this going in 1990 something. In the
00:32:44
meantime, Tony called his mother and told her the short version of what had been happening and how the incidents had
00:32:49
like unnerved them a lot. And she suggested, "Why don't you pack a small bag and stay with me for a few nights?"
00:32:55
>> That's a mama. >> This is a good families. >> It is. This is great family. >> I said, "This is a good family."
00:33:00
>> Well, I knew what you meant. It's a good families on both sides. >> This is a good families. You know,
00:33:05
>> since Karen was still staying with them for one more day, they assured Tony's
00:33:09
mother that they would be fine. They were like, "We don't want to like all come to your house." But that night,
00:33:14
they all stayed in the master bedroom together behind a locked door. So, they all packed in there.
00:33:19
>> Oh, man. >> The next morning, Tony drove Karen to the airport and stopped by his parents
00:33:23
house on the other side of town before going home that afternoon. So, um she contacted a friend of hers whose
00:33:28
daughter had lived in the Pikmin's house a little over a decade earlier. So, she
00:33:32
had lived >> Oh, she lived in the haunted house. Okay. >> Um the Sally [clears throat] house, I
00:33:37
got it. According to the previous tenant, there were several occasions when she would smell a bad odor in the
00:33:43
house. She could never find a source for it, and she frequently heard strange sounds and experience other small
00:33:49
disturbances over the years. >> But more importantly, the woman recalled many instances where she would have to
00:33:56
reprimand her son for leaving his toys all over the floor of the bedroom. And each time the boy would reply, "But
00:34:02
mama, I didn't play with those toys." >> Oh. which like that that's really sad and she was probably like you did cuz
00:34:08
they're everywhere cuz they're everywhere. Like you got it. You know, >> throughout their time in the house,
00:34:13
those previous tenants didn't recall anything particularly frightening or anything that made them like exceedingly
00:34:19
uncomfortable. >> She never acknowledged it. >> Yeah. She did, however, remember that
00:34:22
her daughter, whose bedroom was in the room the Pikmans used as a nursery, quote, had not only grown attached to an
00:34:28
imaginary playmate named Sally, but would entertain herself for hours playing with her in the closet. the womb
00:34:35
that I just walmed >> playing >> along with her imaginary friend named Sally in the closet.
00:34:41
>> Sometimes scary things actually give me the sensation of I'm about to cry and I
00:34:45
might cry. >> Oh my god. >> No, not actually. But like [ __ ] that's I hate that.
00:34:50
>> I'm wobbling in the car so hard right now. Get out of the car. >> I'm so hard.
00:34:55
>> Ew. to Deb, whose mind had been conjuring up all manner of terrifying explanations. The stories from Tony's
00:35:02
mom were actually kind of a comfort because it's like, okay, I'm not crazy. One, two, there's no intruder in my
00:35:09
house. I think that was honestly scarier to them than anything. They were genuinely worried someone was hiding in
00:35:14
their walls or attic and coming out at night. >> I get that. I was >> So, I think that was like at least cuz
00:35:19
they were proof. They were proof also that someone had lived peacefully >> with the with these occurrences still
00:35:24
happening >> with their child playing in the [ __ ] closet. >> Yeah. But they brought to mind her
00:35:29
previous thought that they might be sharing their home with the ghost of a child now named Sally.
00:35:33
>> Uhhuh. >> While the ghosts of adults seem like they could be wildly unpredictable. It
00:35:38
didn't seem possible that a child could have lived long enough to develop the kind of anger that would result in a lot
00:35:43
of harm. >> I've heard about some [ __ ] up kids. is a pretty like solid way to comfort
00:35:49
yourself, I think. Like that's a pretty solid defense mechanism is to be like, well, adults can be real angry and they
00:35:56
have a lot of years under their belt to be pissed off and bitter. >> Yeah. >> Uh kids not so much. So like, let's you
00:36:01
know, Sally's probably fine. >> I get it. >> So a few days later, >> like you haven't heard the stories I've
00:36:05
heard. >> No, they were just they were this was total defense mechanism. Now a few days
00:36:09
later, Larry called with news about his boss's wife, Barbara, the psychic medium. Honey the land. Honey the land.
00:36:16
[laughter] So, we got Sylvia coming. >> Oh god. >> Uh to ruin it. So Larry had explained
00:36:21
the situation and Barbara attempted to get a read on the house from where she was in California, which is wild. Uh
00:36:28
according to Barbara, there was the spirit of a girl in the house between 5 and 13 years old. Barbara claimed that
00:36:34
the spirit not only likes the house and feels comfortable there, but was protecting a baby.
00:36:40
>> Okay. >> Meaning Taylor. >> Yeah. Barbara also believed the movement of the toys was caused by the spirit who
00:36:46
was playing with them as though they were her own. >> All right. >> The psychic's recommendation was to make
00:36:51
it clear to the ghost that she was welcome to remain in the house, but she would have to behave and follow their
00:36:55
rules >> and not turn bears to face the wall. >> Don't do like a creep. >> Before ending the call, Larry had one
00:37:00
more bit of information that Barbara had shared with him. Throughout her read of
00:37:04
the house, she continuously got a name that flashed in her head. >> Sally. Now remember, this is Tony's side
00:37:12
of the family that got this information. Her side of the family also gave the name Sally.
00:37:18
>> Yeah. >> Completely independent from each other. >> Yeah. >> And it wasn't even her side of the
00:37:21
family. It was her side of the family's friend's daughter lived in the house was
00:37:26
like, "Oh yeah, my kid played with a ghost named Sally." >> Well, and also Barbara's in California
00:37:30
picking up on this information across the country. And it's like there's like obviously the internet was like just
00:37:35
starting to be a thing around this time, but like it wasn't like she could just like look up
00:37:39
>> No. Like look this up on the internet. >> No. >> Like that's crazy. >> Like that's nuts.
00:37:47
>> Wow. >> So that would be a wild moment to experience. >> Yeah. >> I would probably cry.
00:37:53
>> I I wouldn't even know how to handle this. And honestly, Deb was kind of relieved by this information because she
00:37:59
was like you said, at least it's not an intruder. It's a kid. Seems like they just want to play.
00:38:04
>> Yeah. >> So, I'll just I'll just lay down the law and that's it. >> All right.
00:38:07
>> Tony was less convinced. He said, "I wasn't a big believer in psychics." Which, like, fair.
00:38:13
>> Oh, yeah. >> So, I He said, "So, I kind of blew her off a little bit." >> I mean, it would be crazy though to get
00:38:19
the same information from two different sides of the family. It would or two different families.
00:38:24
>> Now, Tony had been raised though in a fairly religious family, so he never also he also never believed in ghosts.
00:38:30
>> Okay. He did though believe in evil and in demons. So if there was which like I
00:38:36
have trouble reconciling that way of thinking, but like that's not for me to decide cuz one, how is there not the
00:38:42
other? >> Yeah, I'm not really sure. Um but he said so if there was anything to what
00:38:47
Barbara had said, it did little to convince him the entity in their house was harmless cuz he was like, if
00:38:51
something's in here, it's probably bad. I kind of get that. I get that. So, in the days after this, Deb and Tony's
00:38:58
brother George tried their best to get Sally to reveal herself to them. They took photographs of your rooms. They
00:39:05
said, "Come on, Sally." >> Um, they just blared Mustang Sally. As soon as you said, [laughter] "Come on,
00:39:11
Sally. >> Come on, Sally." >> They took pictures of empty rooms. They spoke loudly as though Sally could hear
00:39:17
them. And one afternoon while they were in the nursery, George saw one of the stuffed bears move and started snapping
00:39:23
photos of every corner of the room. >> Oh [ __ ] >> Finally, when Tony called out to them,
00:39:28
they left the room. But when they reached the top of the stairs, George stopped in his tracks and he called out
00:39:33
to his brother and said, "Man, I can't move." Tony watched as George appeared to be frozen in place, his face turning
00:39:41
pale. >> What? Later, he explained that when he reached the top of the stairs, he felt a
00:39:45
rush of cold surround him and it felt as though someone was holding him in place.
00:39:51
>> What? >> He was literally like, "I can't move." >> What the f? I've never heard that
00:39:55
before. >> The incident completely caught George entirely off guard and terrified all of
00:40:02
them. So, Deb thought it would be a good idea for the three of them to get out of
00:40:05
the house for a bit and visit their parents. They were like, "We need to get out of here." cuz they've been kind of
00:40:09
like >> Yeah. >> Not intentionally, but like irritating. >> Yeah. Like they've been doing stuff to
00:40:14
get a reaction, >> agitating. So, as they were packing up what they would need for the baby, Tony
00:40:18
suddenly jumped up from his seat on the couch and yelled out in pain. And when Deb asked what was wrong, Tony said it
00:40:24
felt like something had bit or stung him. >> Oh. >> He said, "I kind of blew it off because
00:40:29
we were just in a hurry to get out of there." >> Yeah. >> But when they reached Tony's parents
00:40:33
house, the bite he'd gotten on his back was still bothering him. So Deb lifted his shirt to see what it was and she was
00:40:39
shocked because on Tony's back were quote three bleeding scratch marks each about five or six inches long.
00:40:46
>> Damn. >> Running down the center of his back. >> That's a long scratch. >> Remember Sam and Kobe got scratched.
00:40:51
Like who they went with got scratched >> cuz they men. >> They men. Deb took photos of the
00:40:57
scratches for just to document the whole incident. But otherwise they didn't know
00:41:00
what to think. What the [ __ ] happened here? Now, after a year in the house, they had experienced a strange variety
00:41:07
of phenomenon at this point. >> Violent. >> Yeah. And they were convinced at up till
00:41:12
this point that the house was haunted by the ghost of a little girl. But until that point, again, everything seemed
00:41:17
pretty harmless. A little unnerving, but harmless. But the attack on Tony completely flipped everything on his
00:41:24
[ __ ] ear. >> Uh Debs later said, "So many things were going through my mind. Is this a mean
00:41:30
spirit that we've got in our house? Do we go back in the house? Do we never go back again? We were totally clueless
00:41:35
about what to do next. >> Yeah. >> Now, later that afternoon, Tony and Deb considered their options and even talked
00:41:41
about moving out. They were going to leave. Unfortunately, though, being a young family on a single modest income,
00:41:47
the cost of moving to a new house was pretty much out of the question. It's not that easy.
00:41:51
>> No, it's not. >> So, instead, they decided to call Barbara and ask for her advice.
00:41:56
>> Smart. >> The psychic. >> Smart. Barbara reiterated what she told Tony's brother and said the latest, more
00:42:01
aggressive activity was probably Sally's way of letting the couple know she's there. He She said, "If she just floated
00:42:07
through the door, you wouldn't know she was there. But if she opens the door, you know she's in the room. She wants
00:42:12
your attention. She wants to be noticed. >> She straight up left a mark on you. >> Yeah, she's there."
00:42:17
>> She reminded Deb of what she told Larry before. It's their house and they need
00:42:21
to be firm with Sally. She said, "You have to let her know there are rules and she has to obey them. And if she
00:42:26
doesn't, she will be punished. >> I hate that. >> Even to Deb, a firm believer in the
00:42:31
supernatural, the idea of punishing a ghost seemed a little far-fetched, but she was like, "You know what?
00:42:36
>> What are you going to do?" >> She's like, "Like maybe banish her from the house."
00:42:39
>> Okay. >> But she figured Barbara knew better than she did, so she was like, "I'll just
00:42:43
keep listening to her." >> Finally, when Deb got around to telling Barbara about the scratches on Tony's
00:42:47
back, the psychic's tone did seem to change a little. She said she probably thought Tony was going to hurt the baby
00:42:53
and she was just trying to protect him. Now, before hanging up, Barbara repeated
00:42:58
the advice she'd been previously given. Be stern and firm with Sally. Let her know she can stay, but only if she
00:43:05
follows the rules. >> Okay. But very interesting that she said that she thought Tony was going to hurt
00:43:11
the baby. >> Oh, >> she does not like men. >> Is this going to be like the saddest
00:43:16
backstory of all time? >> Now, that night you said I won't be telling you right now. Deb, Tony, and
00:43:22
Tony's parents went over everything Barbara had told them, considering what their options were. Tony insisted when
00:43:29
it came to talking to Sally that responsibility would have to fall on Deb. He was like, "I don't believe."
00:43:34
>> He was like, "She will scratch the [ __ ] out of me." >> And he told her, "A ghost is something
00:43:37
that is supposed to be dead." And the idea of having a conversation with a dead thing was just something he
00:43:42
couldn't bring himself to do. He was like, "I just don't believe in this." >> Well, also, he's religious, so he's
00:43:47
really not to do that. >> Yeah. That night after they got home, Deb did as Barbara suggested, standing
00:43:53
in the nursery, she reprimanded Sally for what she had done to Tony and reminded the spirit that she was
00:43:58
welcome, but only if she followed the rules. Just as Deb was finishing her lecture, the phone rang. And it was
00:44:04
Barbara. I thought you were going to say, "And no one was there." >> And it was Sally being like,
00:44:08
>> "Okay, >> [ __ ] you, bitch." [laughter] >> Imagine, "You're ruining my life. You're
00:44:13
ruining my life." >> No, it was Barbara. and she said she would be coming to Kansas City the
00:44:19
following day for an interview and wondered if she could come by the house. She assured Je Deb there wasn't anything
00:44:25
to be ass concerned about, but she wanted to make sure she was right in what she had told them. All right, cool.
00:44:29
I'd be like, "Thanks, girl. Thanks for that." So Deb told her it would be fine for her to come to house. And then
00:44:34
before ending the call, Barbara told her it might be a good idea to tell Sally about Barbara's upcoming visit to the
00:44:39
house so she wasn't caught off guard. >> Oh god. >> I was like, I would hate this. I'd be
00:44:43
like, I don't want to live this life. >> No. Now, the next morning with Barbara set to arrive later that evening, Deb
00:44:50
thought it might be their best in their best interest to learn a little bit about the house. Yeah, just be prepared.
00:44:55
>> Oh, go get the microf fish. Yeah, maybe it'll clarify some things. So, at the
00:44:59
library, she sat down, Deb sat down with that microfich and some records uh to learn who owned the place in the past.
00:45:06
You know, go through the whole thing. She learned that the land was initially purchased by a woman named Kate Finny,
00:45:11
whose family owned a large amount of land around town. Honey, the land. Honey, the land. How old do you think
00:45:17
the land is? [laughter] That's what she was saying. >> It's quite old, Kate. It's quite old. Uh
00:45:23
Kate had maybe it's And this is a Pikman's, too. And she remember she was like Pinkering.
00:45:28
>> Oh, yeah. P I C K. Oh, no. She [laughter] doesn't even spell it right. >> She literally
00:45:33
>> Pinkering. I C K. >> Sylvia Brown pronounces pinking like the color pink. P I C K E R I N G. I was
00:45:42
like, that is two different [laughter] words. But here we are. So Kate had the house
00:45:47
built on the property and lived there until the early 1900s when it pass was passed down to a relative, Dr. Charles
00:45:54
Finny. The house remained in the Finny family until the 1940s when it was sold and from there it went to a few
00:46:01
different owners before it was purchased by the current owner, the Pikmin's landlord. Armed with a list of names and
00:46:07
owners and occupants, Deb moved over to the cemetery records and started looking
00:46:11
up each name she'd come across. She was like, "I got to find our ghost among these people."
00:46:16
>> Sally. >> But when she continued tracing the lineage to the owners, she found a
00:46:21
surprising number number of male children, but very few girls and no Sally. >> Okay.
00:46:27
>> So, Deb was about to pack up and head home when she finally came across what she was looking for. According to the
00:46:33
census records, at the same time that Charles Finny took ownership of the house, a family named uh with by the
00:46:39
name Hall moved in a few houses down. The records indicated that the head of the household was a single woman and she
00:46:46
lived there with her daughter Sally El Isabelle Hall. >> Shut the [ __ ] up. >> Who died in 1905?
00:46:52
>> The information was hardly proof that they had >> a you know like exactly what was going
00:46:59
on. But Deb is like this is related cuz they live down and we got a Sally. That's
00:47:04
>> it's on the street so we'll take it. >> So she noted it. And Barbara arrived that evening a little after 8:00 p.m.
00:47:10
And from the moment she arrived, she seemed to be like preoccupied. Deb said it was as if she wasn't actually looking
00:47:16
at anything in the room. In fact, as her eyes roved, they never seemed to stop or
00:47:21
focus on anything in particular or anything we could see. >> Okay. >> Eventually, Barbara did settle down and
00:47:27
started communicating with Sally. She said, >> "Calm down, Barb. >> Settle the [ __ ] down, Bob."
00:47:31
[clears throat] [snorts] She said, "You do a lot of things that bug her. >> You're too bossy." She says, "You're too
00:47:37
bossy." And it's like, "Bitch, you told me to be bossy." Not only did you tell me to be bossy, this is my [ __ ]
00:47:42
house. >> This is my [ __ ] house. You're a kid. You got to listen to me. >> Right.
00:47:46
>> Deb was slightly takenback by this cuz she was like, "Barb, you told me to be b
00:47:50
you instructed me to be bossy." >> And she said that. She said, "Barbara, you told me. Barbara,
00:47:56
>> you said Babs, I only did what you suggested. I laid out the rules. I told her she couldn't stay if she didn't if
00:48:03
she didn't comply with the rules, but otherwise she was welcome. >> Fair is fair.
00:48:06
>> And Barbara said she doesn't like it. But then again, what child likes to be disciplined?
00:48:11
>> Okay. >> And it's like, Barbara, you're not helping me. >> Well, I can't. And what am I supposed to
00:48:15
do? Let her run a muck? >> Honey the land. Honey the land. Now, in order to help soothe Sally's hurt
00:48:20
feelings, Barbara suggested they get her some of her own toys, which at this point, I'd be like, I'm
00:48:26
not buying her ghost toys. >> No, this is going too far. She was like, "Maybe that way she won't be so
00:48:31
preoccupied with the baby and his things." And the suggestion seemed unusual to Tony and Deb. But Deb was
00:48:38
like, "You know what? If it gets me peace, I'll do it." >> Yeah. >> So, she was like, "Cool. Maybe this will
00:48:43
help smooth things over, keep peace in the house, which appeared to be the only option since Barbara didn't get the
00:48:48
feeling that Sally would ever leave." >> I feel like the more you feed into this
00:48:52
though, the worse off you are. >> When she told them she feels safe and secure here,
00:48:57
>> so she's not leaving. But like, why are we rewarding bad behavior? You scratched
00:49:01
my mans and drew blood. You don't get a tip on me, Elmo. I know it's the hottest
00:49:05
of the 90s, but you're not. >> You cannot have it. >> Absolutely not. >> You got to start acting right.
00:49:12
[music] >> Now, before leaving, Barbara mentioned one more thing. >> Oh, no. Not one more thing.
00:49:28
>> Although she managed to get through to Sally without much trouble, she did get
00:49:31
the feeling that there was another far stronger spirit in the house. >> The second spirit refused to communicate
00:49:38
or reveal themselves to Barbara. But she got the impression that the ghost was older and much stronger than Sally. It
00:49:45
was that ghost, Barbara theorized, that was responsible for attacking Tony. It was not Sally.
00:49:51
>> Oh, okay. So, she can have a tickle. >> That's how she felt. Now, in the days
00:49:55
after Barbara's visit to the house, the activity did seem to calm down, especially once Deb bought some new
00:50:00
stuffed bears and dolls specifically for Sally. >> That's really sweet, Deb. >> Deb's a good mom.
00:50:04
>> She is, you know, >> to her physical children and her spiritual children. >> She really is.
00:50:10
>> While the relative piece was welcome, Tony couldn't help but feel a little concerned about how enthusiastic Deb
00:50:15
seemed about having a ghost in the house. And you know, >> this would if I was this enthusiastic
00:50:20
about having a ghost in the house, Drew would not be pleased. >> Yeah. He was like, "The more she got
00:50:25
into it, the more resentful he was getting of their ghost pals." >> I get that. >> Now, one morning, a couple weeks after
00:50:31
Barbara's visit, Tony returned home from working the late shift. Before going to
00:50:35
the bedroom to get some sleep, he went to the kitchen to get just like a glass to drink, something.
00:50:40
>> Uh, as he was closing the refrigerator door, Tony caught a glimpse of the apparition of a young girl out of the
00:50:45
corner of his eye. >> Shut. She said, "You don't want to see me. Here the [ __ ] I am." He literally
00:50:51
dropped his glass on the floor. Of course, he did. [snorts] >> Shattered the glass on the floor.
00:50:55
>> Uh, and he said when he when it fell, it it like sh like he didn't even realize
00:51:00
he had dropped the glass. So, it shattered on the floor and it like shocked him for a second. And he said,
00:51:04
"As as I looked at it, when I looked back, she was gone." Yeah. And he said he later said, "I was so panicky. I
00:51:11
couldn't get words out." I mean, yeah. Now, while the appearance of Sally in the kitchen did nothing but frighten
00:51:16
Tony, Deb was ecstatic that she had finally made an appearance. >> I kind of get that.
00:51:21
>> But she was kind of jealous that >> Oh, babe. I'd be so jealous >> that it was Tony that she'd appeared to
00:51:26
and not her. >> Yeah. She just went out and purchased all these nice [ __ ] >> Now, in the weeks after that, Deb
00:51:32
continued to speak loudly and regularly with Sally. >> Like, show yourself, girl.
00:51:36
>> Hoping that she would get a look at her, but the theatrics of speaking to a ghost
00:51:39
did nothing other than kind of piss off Tony. Oh no. [laughter] Tony was like, "I don't want to see her again. Cut the
00:51:45
shit." >> After the sighting in the kitchen, a few months passed without any activity. Then
00:51:49
one night while the couple was sleeping, Tony was awoken by the feeling that someone was pulling on his arm.
00:51:55
>> Ew. He had just come out of unconsciousness when the tugging sensation gave way to a hard pull and he
00:52:01
was physically yanked up and forward. He said, "I was literally pulled out of bed."
00:52:06
>> Ew. He said, "It just grabbed my arm and yanked me. It scared me. I remember how
00:52:10
tight it had my wrist. This is my biggest fear. >> Yeah. And he said like the scratches, it
00:52:15
left deep red finger marks on his wrist. >> Stop. >> Yeah. As the days passed, Deb continued
00:52:21
to try to communicate with Sally, convinced that the assault on Tony was Sally's way of trying to communicate
00:52:26
something to them. >> I don't think >> Tony, on the other hand, was growing more resentful, not only of Sally now,
00:52:31
but also of Deb, who seemed more interested in ghost hunting than she than he felt for anybody's safety or
00:52:38
well-being. That's how he saw it. >> Yeah. Just a few days after he was pulled out of bed, Tony returned home
00:52:43
from another overnight shift and laid down to get some rest. He had just started to drift off when he began
00:52:48
hearing whispering. No, >> he said to me, "It didn't sound like a child. It sounded almost like three
00:52:55
grownup people talking at once, like they were right in your ear talking to you." Oh, that's [ __ ] horrifying. The
00:53:01
whispering was accompanied by a distinct sensation that there was someone in the
00:53:05
room with him and the entire experience effectively ruled out the possibility of
00:53:10
going to sleep for the night. He was like, "Nope, not doing that." >> Also, this poor guy, he's angry. He's
00:53:15
sleepdeprived and he's working overnight and he's a new father. >> Yeah. Wait, I just need to interrupt. We
00:53:21
had to pause for a second to like go get children off to school. I said to Elena,
00:53:25
"Was it getting progressively colder in here while you were telling this story?"
00:53:29
>> It was. All of a sudden, my legs started getting so cold, >> and that feels paranormal. It is cold
00:53:35
out, but it it was getting increasingly colder. >> Yeah, it does. Because the rest of the
00:53:40
house was nice and warm. >> Yeah. So, that was weird. >> And even now, I feel like a cold chill.
00:53:45
>> Yeah. >> And we just turned the heat on in here. So, >> so hopefully it will get warm.
00:53:49
>> Elena goes, Sally, I go, I hope she didn't travel this way. >> I hope not. >> All right. What's going on?
00:53:55
>> All right. So, as the days passed, that feeling of resentment in Tony started,
00:54:02
you know, growing a little bit. I wonder if that's paranormal. >> Well, cuz it was soon accompanied by
00:54:07
dark thoughts. >> That's probably paranormal. >> He said, "I was getting a strong feeling
00:54:12
of hate, like I wanted to reach out and hurt her." >> Oh, >> like Sally. >> And Deb and Tony had, you know, had a
00:54:18
very normal relationship where every once in a while they argued like normal couples do. But these feelings were new,
00:54:24
he said, and they were entirely foreign to Tony. He had always been super easygoing, very kind. He was not a
00:54:30
violent guy, not an aggressive guy. Um, and in time, it became harder for him to
00:54:35
hide his feelings. And eventually, I forgot about that. I thought we turned Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh [laughter] my
00:54:43
god. >> [laughter] >> Are you okay? >> Yes, I'm fine. You're both [ __ ] [laughter]
00:55:01
>> As soon as I waited for you to start. [laughter] >> I waited. >> If Sally isn't here, I am a man. Sally's
00:55:15
here. I >> No, girl. You're just a klutz. Your foot got looped in your [laughter] back.
00:55:22
>> I waited until you were okay to fully laugh. >> I waited for you to sit up and then it
00:55:28
just >> It was with the table. [laughter] >> It was like you went down and then you
00:55:35
went like DOUBLE DOWN KIND OF [laughter] and then the table just really stealed your face.
00:55:42
>> Did you see how I chose to fall though? Oh, very very [laughter] >> That's months and months of
00:55:50
>> you chose to fall very demir very mindful >> or roller derby. Oh my god. >> Very cutesy cutesy. [laughter]
00:55:55
>> I thought I turned that off. >> Oh my god. >> It's It's not our fault. Genetically
00:56:02
that's instilled in us. My nanny used to love when [laughter] people would fall.
00:56:06
>> I would love to hear how that sounds. >> You might need to leave that in. Guys,
00:56:10
Mikey's okay, but he just ate [ __ ] [laughter] And we I need you to know that we
00:56:15
waited. We waited to see if [laughter] he was okay, but he fell and then my costume fell onto him, which is a table.
00:56:25
[laughter] And then his chair fell too, and everything just fell. [laughter] It felt like that scene is not another
00:56:33
teen movie when she falls through [laughter] the stairs and everything goes and then she like falls into the
00:56:40
basement. >> It keeps going. I'm literally sobbing. >> Oh my god. So I waited. >> Oh my god. I said I just I literally was
00:56:49
holding it until you stood up and like I wanted to make sure you didn't like hurt
00:56:52
your knees >> and you just go. [laughter] >> You just kept saying oh my god. [laughter]
00:57:00
>> I did every every part that happened you would go, "Oh my god." [laughter] >> As you fell, she went, "Oh my god." And
00:57:13
then the table went, "Oh my god. [laughter] We need to hear it. >> Oh my Oh my god. [laughter] Oh my god.
00:57:22
>> Brought to you by God. >> Oh my god. >> Oh [ __ ] >> Okay. [laughter] >> Oh, sweet Mikey.
00:57:29
>> Oh my god. >> Well, anyway. All right. Okay. Get it together, me. So So like I
00:57:40
said, Tony Tony was super chill. He was a chill guy. Uh, but it honestly became hard for him to hide his feelings.
00:57:47
Eventually, Deb noticed that something was going on here. She said, "There was a noticeable change in Tony's demeanor.
00:57:53
We fought a lot more. He was almost argumentative and starting issues." A >> in retrospect, Tony believes that the
00:58:01
spirit, whether Sally or something else, was affecting his emotions and it was all exacerbated by the fact that he was
00:58:07
typically operating, like we were talking about before, on pretty little sleep. Yeah. like he
00:58:11
>> one he's working overnight and again he's a new father. >> So they started fearing what was going
00:58:15
to happen if they didn't take action. So Deb called Barbara and explained what was happening and Barbara believed Tony
00:58:21
was being influenced by the second spirit. But at that point she had to admit that she was a little out of her
00:58:26
depth here. Rather than have her try to communicate Kate with Sally for a third time. Barbara recommended that they get
00:58:32
in contact with Peter James who's a well-known psychic and paranormal investigator in Kansas who she thought
00:58:39
could help them. Now, despite everything that had happened, Tony was still reluctant to contact James, he was
00:58:45
feeling that other people in the community were going to find out, like it was going to get weird. But he knew
00:58:50
they couldn't continue on this way. So, he agreed and Deb reached out to James, who agreed to come to the house. A few
00:58:56
days later, Peter, James, and his team of paranormal investigators came to the house, and before they even entered the
00:59:02
house, James sensed the spirit of a little girl who he said he spotted in the upstairs window.
00:59:07
>> Yeah. As he moved through the house from room to room, he sensed the present of a
00:59:11
second spirit. He said it was a woman who he recognized as far more powerful than the little girl. It was in the
00:59:18
nursery that the psychic sensed the presence of the woman the strongest. He said he felt as though she was trying to
00:59:23
push the group from the room as James was fighting to stay. >> Which is interesting because Deb's
00:59:28
sister had said that or her sister-in-law >> she felt like a weird like she like she
00:59:32
was unwanted. She said >> exactly. So, as James continued to try to make contact, Tony suddenly felt the
00:59:39
burning pain on his back. And when he lifted his shirt, Deb saw the same bloody claw marks that she'd seen on him
00:59:45
several months before. >> Stop clawing my mans. >> James said, the psychic, he said he or
00:59:50
paranormal investigator. He said he was really petrified. He just couldn't move.
00:59:54
I tried to put him at ease, but he was very shaken by this. >> Are you going to put me at ease when a
00:59:58
ghost is scratching my back? >> You're not putting me not in like a soothing way.
01:00:01
>> Yeah. Now, after sending everyone else out of the room, Peter James was finally
01:00:06
able to get an impression of the second spirit in the house. Sorry. Why does Peter James sound like such an official
01:00:12
name? It sounds very like delightful. >> It does. It also sounds like a Hollywood
01:00:17
star. >> Hi, my name's Peter James. I'm here to fix things. I'd be like, "Yeah, you are.
01:00:21
>> Cool. I trust you." And it trust Peter James. >> I know nothing about you, but I do know
01:00:24
that your name is Peter James and you will help us. >> Yeah. To be clear, I know nothing about
01:00:29
Peter James. >> Yeah. No, I don't either. But I trust him based off his name. >> I don't need to know anything.
01:00:34
>> Like that's it. >> He's so strong. >> He's so strong. So, and Peter James was
01:00:40
able to get an impression of the second spirit in the house. And later he told them what he'd learned. Now, according
01:00:44
to him, the second spirit was that of a former domestic worker, [snorts] a black
01:00:49
woman who worked for the doctor who'd occupied the house in the early 1900s. >> Okay.
01:00:54
>> James believed the woman was also the doctor's mistress, and the girl, Sally,
01:00:59
was their daughter. Oh [ __ ] >> So, we're getting tangly. The plot is plotting. Okay. But
01:01:07
because an interracial relationship would have been socially unacceptable in that era, they had to keep their
01:01:12
relationship and Sally's parentage a secret. So, it gets thicker and more dark. >> Now, tragically, Peter James was also
01:01:21
able to see how the story ended. He said, "I became empathic and I was able to sense how she died." According to
01:01:28
James, Sally contracted pneumonia when she was around seven years old. And despite the doctor's best efforts, he
01:01:34
was unable to save the girl. At that time, pneumonia was like >> I mean, it's a problem.
01:01:40
>> She died of pneumonia. >> Sally's death was an insurmountable event and their relationship soon came
01:01:46
to an end. They just couldn't survive that. >> How do you? >> But it resulted in a lot of bitterness
01:01:51
in the part of the mistress, of course. >> Yeah. And the mother. >> Exactly. Now, after completing their his
01:01:56
investigation, Peter, James told Tony, and Deb he didn't believe they were in any real danger, and if they wanted to
01:02:01
remain in the home, they would need only to be strong and not allow themselves to
01:02:05
be bullied. The news was a comfort. >> They're like, "Well, I'm trying not to." >> And also, I'm like, she's pretty pissed.
01:02:10
Like, she's got a lot to be pissed about. Yeah. >> This woman, like, she's a mother of a
01:02:14
child who died. And also the mistress of this white doctor who won't even claim her as his own
01:02:21
>> or her child or the child. and then just probably moved on with the rest of his
01:02:25
life when his daughter died >> and she's just left to pick up the pieces all alone, you know.
01:02:30
>> Um, >> yeah, >> I'd be scratching [ __ ] left and right. >> Scratching the [ __ ] out of people,
01:02:34
especially men. Oh, you better believe. >> Nothing like a woman's scold. >> Nope. Now, the news was a comfort to Deb
01:02:40
cuz again, she's getting more insight. >> She's like, I'm not [laughter] a man. >> Well, and she said, "You know what? I
01:02:44
feel like the more we find out about them, the better off we're going to be." >> Yeah.
01:02:48
>> Um, and she said, "I was so enamored with the activity. Like I just it was so
01:02:52
fascinating to her and she was like and the fact that this is all kind of adding
01:02:55
up. >> But to Tony, the results of the investigation only made him more fearful of what would happen if they stayed,
01:03:01
>> which I get. >> Not only had he been assaulted several times, but he was also worried that if
01:03:06
they continued living in the house, his mental health would continue to deteriorate to the point where something
01:03:11
bad would happen. >> Well, not only that, they have a son. >> That's the thing. And not a daughter.
01:03:16
Yeah. And he said, "All I could think about was evil thoughts. All I could think was, I just want to hurt her.
01:03:22
>> Oh, wow. >> Yeah. And he's like admitting that. He's like, I don't know. I didn't want to
01:03:26
think those thoughts. >> Yeah, of course not. >> Now, given how serious Tony's fears had
01:03:30
become, Deb finally agreed to put aside her interest in the paranormal and agreed that they should start looking
01:03:34
for somewhere else to live. >> In the year and a half that they'd lived in the house, they'd managed to save a
01:03:39
small amount of money and were finally able to actually move. Um, but rather than continue to live in the house, Tony
01:03:46
and Deb actually picked up some of their things and went to live with Tony's parents until they were able to find a
01:03:51
new home. They got the [ __ ] out of how serious this was. >> And they didn't have the money like
01:03:56
right readily available to just get out of there. Yeah. Like this. >> Well, you have to think your house may
01:04:01
be infested with with ghosts and demons and the like, but still got to pay rent.
01:04:05
>> Exactly. Now, in his assessment of the situation, Peter James believed that the
01:04:10
paranormal activity in the house had become more aggressive and targeted Tony because of his disin interest in the
01:04:16
whole situation. >> Yeah, I could see that. >> He said the activity escalated because
01:04:20
Tony wanted less and less to do with the ghost. >> Yeah. >> So, they're going to try harder and
01:04:25
harder to get his attention. And that was probably so triggering to the the woman, the mother, because that's
01:04:31
exactly what happened in life. >> Yep. Now, this is what he said. This is why she pounced on him literally
01:04:37
violently. Uh he said as a result of Tony's experiences, the ghost would go on to become known Sally the manhater.
01:04:44
>> Dang. >> Now, which is funny cuz it's like Sally's not the manhater, >> which they I mean they're they're fairly
01:04:50
certain. They don't know >> that it's Sally or that it's >> he was say Yeah. They don't know who's
01:04:55
actually doing the >> the pouncing. >> Yeah. They think it's probably the mom protecting, but like we also don't know
01:05:01
a lot about the father. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And we don't know what that situation was.
01:05:05
>> Well, and that makes you wonder too like more about the father because he Tonyy's
01:05:11
being inflicted with like these dark >> What was that? >> A glass. I feel attacked.
01:05:25
>> Yeah, >> that was really [ __ ] spooky. >> Did that come off of the shelf? >> Yes.
01:05:34
And I went I got a glass from the shelf this morning. Those are firmly >> Oh, yeah. They were totally on there.
01:05:39
Like >> it's been like >> that's even harder to fall off cuz it's like got a lip to it.
01:05:44
>> And there's also a towel underneath it. So it's like >> Huh. >> It's always when we do paranormal
01:05:50
episodes. People probably think we make this [ __ ] up, but >> you that you probably heard that one.
01:05:56
>> You had to You had to have heard that one. That was loud. >> That's the other thing. It fell with a
01:06:00
lot of force. That was that's a pretty light glass. >> Yeah, >> that was weird. Um, but I was saying
01:06:07
Jesus. I was saying it is interesting that like we don't know that much about the man because like the man who had
01:06:13
lived there previously because Tony's being inflicted by these dark thoughts and it's like is that the man's energy
01:06:19
because he like back then he was probably feeling angry and agitated toward the mistress for getting pregnant
01:06:25
and then having to cover things up. he had to fix the situation potentially or had thoughts of fixing quote unquote the
01:06:33
situation and taking care of everything. So, it's like this you're that absolutely could have been that.
01:06:38
>> I think there's more at play there than it sounds to me at least like more than
01:06:42
just two spirits. >> I think so, too. >> Now, as soon as they moved out of the house, Tony's mental health improved
01:06:47
dramatically. >> I bet he no longer had intrusive, negative, or violent thoughts. Um, the
01:06:52
couple went on to tell their story publicly, first on television and then in a book authored by Deb, but they've
01:06:58
remained pretty private and prefer to stay out of the spotlight now. >> So, they told the story and then they
01:07:03
were like, >> I mean, how do you do what you will with it? >> How do you not tell that story?
01:07:07
>> Now, the house and, you know, it's new spectral inhabitants on the other hand
01:07:11
have become one of the most popular places in both the state and country for paranormal investigators. M
01:07:18
>> Sally's house has been included on a popular Aches ghost tour. Um, you know, there's some slight slight twists to the
01:07:24
story that they'll tell sometimes, but in the latest version of events, Sally quote died while in surgery to remove
01:07:30
her appendix and hates men who walk in the house. >> Okay. Um, I say latest version of
01:07:37
events, but it's I mean, I guess there's no real way to verify exactly what happened to her.
01:07:42
>> So, that probably just get different feelings. >> That could be a version of the events.
01:07:46
Um, the house and its, you know, spooky stories have definitely helped build the
01:07:50
town's reput because it's small town, small town's reputation as one of the most haunted towns in America. So fun.
01:07:56
>> Um, and a lot of people in Achen welcome it. Uh, it's brought a lot of money from
01:08:00
tourism. It's like a good thing as long as people are respectful. >> Yeah. >> In more recent years, the owner of
01:08:05
Sally's House have opened the place up to the public. >> I saw that. >> Um, they allow for self-guided tours in
01:08:10
the fall months as well as events hosted by local paranormal groups, which is pretty fun. That's good.
01:08:15
>> By 2020, visitors to Aches were paying as much as $400 per night to stay in that house.
01:08:21
>> Wow. >> Uh all the excitement and interest led to Sally's house being valued at over $1
01:08:26
million. >> Damn. >> Uh but within a just a few months of it being listed in late 2020, the asking
01:08:31
price had dropped to just under $500,000. >> It's a smaller house. >> That's the thing.
01:08:35
>> And it doesn't look like it has like a ton of land or anything. Exactly. So >> now, as of today, the Sally House
01:08:41
remains one of the biggest tourist draws to Aches. And again, you can still book
01:08:45
it for tours, overnight stays, and I think you should go watch the Sam and Colby video. Now, I want to um we didn't
01:08:51
do this in like, you know, collaboration with them in any way. I'm just trying to
01:08:55
>> help help really trying to get them views. >> I really I really want to get their
01:08:59
little channel going, you [laughter] know? I'll I'll never live that down that I was like, "Guys,
01:09:04
>> have you listen?" >> Yeah. Like such such fun videos. You guys should give it a YouTubers.
01:09:09
[laughter] Uh, but no, their their video on it is like wildly compelling. Very interesting. Lots of scratching happens
01:09:18
happening. So >> definitely go check it out. But um, yeah, that's the Sally House. Sally the
01:09:23
man hater. >> That was a really fascinating one. And I don't and also am desperate to want uh
01:09:30
I'm desperate to go there and I don't want to go there all at the same time. >> That's how I feel.
01:09:34
>> But we will probably be going. >> Yeah. >> Doable. Drivable. >> Yeah. >> All right. I would say so. Cool. Well,
01:09:42
maybe we'll go. >> Maybe we'll do it. >> It's so spooky. >> It's so spooky. Suka
01:09:47
>> Suk, today we're recording the first episode of the next season of the Rewatcher, True Blood. So, if you are a
01:09:53
rewatcher listener or you're not, go [ __ ] check that [ __ ] out. >> You should go check it out. We finished
01:09:57
Buffy. >> Yeah. And and fun little tidbit, uh Andrew McMahon wrote our theme song for
01:10:03
it. >> Yeah. Hello. >> So, that's pretty [ __ ] cool. >> A lot of you are fans. So,
01:10:07
>> yeah. A lot of you love Andrew just like we do. And the song slaps. >> It is a banger. I feel like maybe we
01:10:14
should we posted it on the uh rewatcher and morbids uh socials yesterday. Go check it out. You got to listen to the
01:10:22
song. It's so good. >> It's so good. >> It's so outside of what Andrew usually does. So, it's fun.
01:10:27
>> A completely different vibe. >> He also did a little video before it that you can see if you go to our social
01:10:32
>> where he refers to us as a friend. >> Yeah. As friends. In fact, um I played it for Aiden last night and Dolores was
01:10:38
very interested. She came over to my laptop as it was playing and was wagging her tail.
01:10:42
>> I love that. >> So, my dog, big fan. >> Big fan. >> Big fan. And you should be, too. Go
01:10:47
listen to it. >> Yeah. We're really excited to start True Blood and to get that going. So,
01:10:51
>> it's going to be fun. >> Yeah. Go listen. And uh with that being said, we hope you keep listening
01:10:55
>> and we hope you >> keep it weird, but not so that you're a ghost in the afterlife who lines up toys
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in a circle and, you know, scares everybody and makes bears face the wall while you do nefarious [ __ ]
01:11:06
>> Yeah. Okay. Don't make Tony feel weird about [ __ ] >> No, never make Tony feel angry. Don't
01:11:12
make Tony angry. >> Tony Brown. Don't make Tony angry. >> I never met a Tony I didn't like. I love
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that for you. Oh, that's not true, actually. I take it back. Bye. [laughter] I take it. Bye.
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