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hey weirdos I'm Elena and I'm Ash and this is morbid oh my God it is [Music] I'm back do you have a brand new wrap no
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I just have scars that will forever be with me from Storyland in New Hampshire yeah I
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actually do not blame you whatsoever yeah it was a real experience the kids loved it well part of the kids loved it
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so that's really all that matters and we got through it and um we did it so now we did it I think I
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went to Storyland once when I was little if I remember correctly and then I just
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blocked it all out of my brain because uh I don't remember anything about it that's the thing kids love it so yeah
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it's one of those and you know what we had we got to like you know hang out with Deb Deb Deb and Pat her husband
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pat pat so that was nice but it was it was a real it was a real experience at Storyland anybody in the New England
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area can probably relate to this like just feeling of like wow oh okay that's what that is one of your kids before you
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were gone you like wanted me to come they were like TT why aren't you going and I go I told them that you can't go
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to Storyland unless you have children which is I mean probably true I mean I was like sorry I can't go I don't have
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kids I don't think you lied too much I was like what I was like yeah it's just the way it is yeah whatever I can't uh
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so we're we're not gonna do a whole bunch of chit chatting before we get into the case today because this is
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going to be a very long episode yeah I'm back and I was gonna split it into two but there's really no good way
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to split this into two and I didn't want to just split it into two because it was
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long for the sake of doing it so buckle up it's just gonna be a long one because
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I think continuity makes more sense here uh this is a wild case from the 70s oh so I brought it a little a little more I
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love how the 70s I'm like they're modern you know I mean I don't they're not like
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that long ago quite a long time ago at this point but it always feels like it was only like 20 years ago yeah what do
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you know no like who maths here notes like a lot how many no it is 40. is it 40. yeah
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it's 40 and it's going on 43. there you go so 43 years that's a lot that's a whole that's a whole person so yeah it's
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like that's a that's a person who's lived it's not me yet soon but you know John almost John uh but yeah so this is
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from the 70s what's crazy about this case we're going to be talking about Gerard John Schaefer who is known as the
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killer cop or the hangman I had maybe heard his name or come across it maybe in like the annals of some true
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crime book that I had read like a million years ago yeah but I did not know anything about this I haven't heard
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of it I saw like a blurb about a tree and I was like oh that's interesting I'm just gonna look at it holy [ __ ] he is
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worse than most we have talked about oh good it's wild to me and I don't know how we don't know his name which I guess
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is probably good that like yeah because we don't want to become infamous that's the thing we don't want them like
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becoming these famous things but like the fact that I didn't know about this is like wild because it's a really
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really scary story well and what's sad is that we should know about it because he was so horrible then we should know
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what happened to the people that's the thing in these they were these victims really a lot of them in their families
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didn't even get the closure that they really not that you really get closure but they didn't get and a lot of the
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information they needed yeah Justice right yeah and there's a lot of missing girls and women attributed to him and it
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was never really solidly clothed like a few of them definitely got like he was convicted of a couple but like a lot of
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them just hung out there and it's kind of sad because at the time the police were just kind of like well we
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got him for these ones so and it's like yeah but like he needs to pay for the other ones too like yeah we can't just
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be like well yeah like you know we got him for those so it's fine and it should be on record so that the families can
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fail yeah this is what happens exactly he's in prison and we know who did it he should be punished for all of them uh
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this is a really really gnarly one I just want to say it right out front there's going to be some really rough
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stuff we're going to talk about he is a full-on monster so I buckle up because this is really
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really really bad I'm gonna move my therapy appointment up this week yeah you probably should now he was only
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convicted of two murders in the end but he has definitely committed several more
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you said two he was only convicted of two all right so yeah but he can he committed several more uh all of them
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are more horrific than any fiction could ever conjure like it is horrific stuff and I say that he we definitely know he
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committed several others because there's literally physical evidence that was found
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in his home in his mother's home like he had physical evidence connected to these
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victims and his own thinly veiled confessions that he actually said were just fiction stories but somehow they
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line up almost perfectly with crime scenes he uses actual victim names and some of them and he just said no it's
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just fictions I just write I'm just a brilliant writer and it just so happens that as I'm writing these terrible
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things happen yeah it's just crazy it's just a weird coincidence and somehow I'm
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being convicted because I'm an amazing writer what a dope yeah he's a real dope isn't that a fun one I haven't used that
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in a while it is a fun one and it's perfectly perfect to describe him as a dope um another crazy thing about him is at
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one point he was a police officer yeah because so yeah and this takes place in Florida uh and he was a police officer
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not for too long there but he definitely used his position for some really heinous things now we're just going to
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talk about him briefly as a younger person because it's kind of interesting to see where he came from he was born
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March 25th 1946 in Wisconsin he was born to Doris in Gerard John Schaefer senior now he was the oldest of
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three children he was the only boy his father was a traveling salesman he was gone a lot and it was really just like
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him and his mom and his sisters his dad was also a big drinker wasn't a super happy family but his he also is a
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compulsive liar and he's also just like an [ __ ] of the highest order so it's hard to tell so it's hard to tell he
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tries to make his life look a lot different than it is he will all at once confess to what he's done and then go
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what are you talking about I've never killed anybody he's just like he's a dick he's just a dick
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and he likes to say that he was like an illegitimate child quote unquote like he'll say my mom got pregnant with me
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and they had they were forced to get married so that's why they were a horribly horrible relationship because
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it was started that way okay but that's one not even corroborated into shut the [ __ ] up yeah like that that doesn't make
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you that doesn't turn you into like a bad person no he liked to spout a lot about how his family and his family was
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very religious they were very Catholic Family um but he spouted a lot about how they
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really hammered into him that Madonna [ __ ] dichotomy thing uh with women which is a very unhealthy thing no
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matter what that is not a good thing to teach your children that like women are either Madonna or [ __ ] yeah like those
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are not that's not good Madonna's like Mary Magdalene it's like the I you were asking the wrong all I know is Madonna
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is a good thing [ __ ] is taught to be like you are either this or you are this that is it when you said Madonna at
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first I was like what it was on the 70s you were thinking Madonna I really loved
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it yeah like you know Material Girl and then I was like oh yeah no uh I honestly
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can't tell you exactly like the Madonna I think that's like I think she's married
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I don't know I think that's Mary yeah because if Madame Magdalene and Mary Mary I think are two guys I'm not
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religious Mary um and I'm not saying like I just don't know so I don't want to say it but I
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know that the Madonna is like the good thing and you know the other is the bad thing and that's and when that's taught
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it's a very unhealthy way to teach your child to look at women yeah basically now that was happening in that house
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that obviously doesn't create a serial killer but he likes to point to it and he likes to be like well you know that's
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why and then he's like but I didn't kill anybody so it's whatever okay but I didn't kill anybody stop telling me I
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did uh very healthy so the family moved a lot because of his dad's work and they
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moved to Nashville Tennessee for a while and then they ended up living in Atlanta
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for a few years so they were like rolling around the country Now by 1960 his family had settled down
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in Fort Lauderdale Florida now his father may not have been home often and you know he has a lot of
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shitty things to say about his dad but when he was home he said that they liked he would take him fishing and hunting
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they'd like to be outside together a lot so there was like good times here now I
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want to point out that a book that I found on this case that I devoured and it but it's a it's it's got a lot of
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stuff in it just so you know it's harrowing it's a very harrowing Journey but it is worth it in my opinion if you
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were looking to just unders know this case uh it's called American Ripper by Patrick Kendrick which I thought was
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interesting because I just went off with Jack the Ripper and I didn't even mean to do this you're in a place I'm in a
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place apparently so Patrick Kendrick did a phenomenal job researching this case he did it for decades I mean he like
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spoke to people in the like that book has interviews on interviews on interviews it has his writings and it
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has everything and so much that I'm not even going to touch upon and I telling you go get that book go get that book
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it's outrageous and I think Patrick Kendrick has been on a few different like podcasts and stuff too so if you
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type his name in go listen to some of those I think one of them is called like notorious the podcast oh I've heard of
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that and um they did a really great job like talking to him and it's just really
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interesting so go check those out after this because I'm telling you his book is
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outrageously horrifying but outrageously fascinating I'm right so American Ripper
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by Patrick Hendrick I will link it in the show notes now according to that book kids who knew Gerard in middle
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school and high school said he was pretty unremarkable like he just they weren't like oh that guy you know but
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they were just kind of like oh that guy okay yeah not a not a complete loner although some people would describe him
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as a loner but he wasn't a popular kid he wasn't a jock he wasn't right in the theater area
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he was just there and it was noted also though that he liked to date a lot of different girls though people then said
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he only dated two girls from high school so I don't know if he was just showing a
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different side to different people or if people are just like I don't remember him so I'm just gonna make something up
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about him yeah but one thing that many of them said was that he definitely was creepy and he liked to look under girls
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skirts all right so there you have it yep one classmate is quoted as saying in an article that I read
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um quote the only thing I really remember is that I always had to tuck my skirt under my legs because John they
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called him John John would practically stand on his head to look up a girl's skirt Jesus Christ he's a pig everybody
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and you probably could like only wear skirts back then too at school I'm sure everyone was wearing skirts back then
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and he was just a disgusting hog about it now in an article from the Palm Beach Post in 1973 a lot of his classmates
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mates were interviewed from high school one of them named Eloise said quote he was kind of weird that's all I can say
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about him he was kind of out of it never part of a group he was the last boy I would have dated I didn't like him I
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don't know why he was just weird that's all no you probably heard some rumors Eloise and then Donna another classmate
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said quote he was a loner not part of any Clique he would do strange things like he would be sitting in class and
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like all of a sudden he would start talking to himself so it's a very interesting like
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hearing the cross-section of people talking about him because a lot of people had a lot of different views yeah
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very very things here yeah like no one said he was this popular kid or this outgoing kid but there's all these
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varying degrees of like he was strange as [ __ ] he was a creep he was a loner he
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wasn't really a loner I didn't really know who he was it seems like it just depended like what face he wanted to
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show exactly which I think was a nice theme he took through life now during this time in Fort Lauderdale he was
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neighbors to a girl named Lee hayneline he had said that he they were like friendly they used to like play sports
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together a little bit but he also would tell people that he was pissed because she would tease him by undressing in
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front of her Windows like it was for him like her undressing in her room was like taunting him no I think she's
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just on her own property doing her own things pretty sure now this name Lee Hayne is going to come back later no so
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I want you to remember it I don't want it to um according to that uh Patrick Kendrick book her mother later said of
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Gerard or John um I never cared for the boy he did foolish things one time he and Gary
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which was Lee's brother went fishing Out on the Ocean and Schaefer threw away the
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oars the boys finally drifted in with the tide you never knew where he was he was sneaky he sort of dropped by all the
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time yeah he would also kill animals that you can't eat like he would just do it for fun and it was noted by a
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classmate that he would kill things like a songbird just for the hell of it no I love I'm in
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a place now where I [ __ ] love birds and birds are pretty rad I've probably sat on this podcast before that I don't
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like birds all of a sudden I do like birds she's gross and yeah she's ever now quick large trigger warning for what
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I'm about to say because it involves animal cruelty eek um he was also known to many to kill
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cows oh often times decapitating them and then he would derive pleasure from their Corpses
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I don't think I want to be here anymore yep um I think I thought I have you don't want to be here place to go it's
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it's not great bye now around this time he told his I'm sorry I'm using like now
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to start all my sentences that's one of those crutch things that happens but you
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know what when you catch it you catch it you do I was doing that the other week I
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wonder if I gave it to you you know what though it's better than so it is you know it it watch I'll start saying so
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now well around this time look at me I'm well no around oh there it is well well
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around this time he told his high school girlfriend Sandra London who some of you
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might know that name she's like a true crime kind of like people know that name he got involved with a lot of serial
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killers uh this was his high school girlfriend though Sandra London oh maybe that's what inspired it all he told her
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that he out of the blue he was like you know what sometimes I just like really want to hurt people and she was like wow
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okay and he was like I want to hurt women and she's like okay as a woman that's a
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little a little frightening I think we should break up yeah so he also later um told his college teacher who was a
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woman this as well like confided that in her now to me and they both were like it's weird that he just like told us
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this yeah but to me that's purely to scare them and exert power like that's him exerting power him being you know he
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liked that he basically put women in line by revealing this secret to them because that way they knew that he was
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capable of hurting them and he was willing to hurt them right if they should fall out of his favor or Graces
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yeah so that was him being like wow I I really want to hurt women just so you so
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don't [ __ ] with me yeah I could see that and his whole life is just this struggle
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1964 and he used this he apparently used his entire summer acting as a quote nature guide in the Everglades I I would
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not want him to be my age yeah I guess like he wasn't an actual certified nature guide he was just doing it he
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also started classes at Broward Junior College uh he was a Social Studies major but he eventually changed Majors like
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several times and he had landed on education because he decided he wanted to be a teacher no you should not be a
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teacher he had a weird college career like he took a ton of classes every semester and Patrick Kendra gets into
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this in the book a lot that he did this like very distinct pattern where he would overload his course list like way
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overload it and then he would just start struggling and drop a [ __ ] ton of them
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but he did it like over and over and over like he never learned why that that wasn't gonna work it was like
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competitive with himself it was more yeah it was competitive which he becomes competitive against other serial killers
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later in his life by the way because he's an Aries oh no let's not do that John's and Aries John's competitive he
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is competitive but in like a not in Achilles though thankfully uh but yeah he would do this and he is competitive
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and he likes to feel powerful so I think and like like he has something over everybody so I think he's like yeah I
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can take all these classes like [ __ ] you I can do this and then he's like I can't
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right [ __ ] you I'll do it again like he's just an idiot he's just confusing he's dumb he's a law and he wanted to
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come off intelligent so badly but I feel like that's the case with a lot of people he wanted to he wanted to be that
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like Hannibal Lecter kind of thing and he was not he wanted to have like some kind of like validation he wanted
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something and he didn't have anything now then in 1968 he managed to transfer to Florida Atlantic University in Boca
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Raton but we're going to get back to his Broward Junior College days at one point
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in 1968 the same year he married Martha Fogg but it was a very short relationship to you know say the least
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in the beginning it was fine like whatever very sweet relationship where they bonded over creative writing
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because he also took a lot of creative writing classes he enjoyed writing unfortunately what he writes is horrific
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and something nobody ever wants to read um they you know they would he would drive her to school they were just like
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they was like one of those little cute College relationships yeah you're like oh adorable we like to write things
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together and then Gerard kind of showed who he really was to her and he kind of started telling her about his weird
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fantasies that he had because he enjoyed like putting himself into bondage it was
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very BTK he would take pictures that kind of thing and she was like I'm good and he later
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said that they were very incompatible sexually and basically he suggested to her he said that he told her quote put
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out or get out I would say get [ __ ] and leave I'ma get out see you later during this time
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he had also he became kind of like he was struggling he was struggling in his classes he was struggling you know his
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home life wasn't that great he was just having a lot going on and he was starting to get like a little depressed
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a little I think he was struggling with who he was as a person because I think he could probably tell that he was a
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[ __ ] up human and that he was into some stuff that people probably weren't going to be into and that he was kind of
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scaring people around him and I'm not saying that he was like very self-reflective in the way of like maybe
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I should change things but instead he started trying to get like attention because like psychologists look back at
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it and he you know left a suicide note at one place but they were like he never intended to kill himself yeah he was
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doing it because he thought it would bring a different kind of attention like his personality type was not one to this
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wasn't what he was doing his personality type is so confusing outrageous now during this time there was a suicide
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note that was found written by him and his he was going to therapy at the time and his therapist referred him to see a
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psychiatrist in the psychiatrist was Dr RR formic this is the report that he wrote about him when he saw him
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and again this was after the marriage had crumbled like it was bad news it says quote this examiner was able to
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hold John's attention and cooperation through approximately two and one half hours of testing Rapport was excellent
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and the testing results are prolific in psychodynamic information these results are consistent and indicate that John is
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immature has poor ego control is aggressive and a rebellious and primarily has an intense father conflict
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in addition his personality Dynamics inclined him to blame others for his own difficulties which is exactly what this
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was he thinks the whole world is against him but it's really him [ __ ] with the
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world he's extremely confused in terms of self-image and is alienated from himself
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and others however he does have a capacity to relate to others and is approachable in a therapeutic
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relationship at this point John's own resources are not sufficient for a solution to his problems and he is in
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need of supportive therapy which will a Miller I could never say that word basically get rid of the severity of his
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symptoms this examiner does not find any indication of excessive depression which
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might indicate Suicidal Tendencies it is felt that a character logical Neurosis with a paranoid trait overlay are more
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descriptive of his personality structure in addition Bender Gestalt revealed preservation of the fundamental
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outstanding Gestalt principle by the use of the Primitive loop as a unit symbol this is indicative of decreased ego
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control and of impairment and reality testing which is often found among psychotics or individuals with
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intracranial pathology you know what that is exactly what I would have said to you that's exactly what you would
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have said I was thinking this whole time so they're basically saying you know he's confused about himself he doesn't
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understand who he is he doesn't understand the things he likes he doesn't understand his own strange
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pathologies he is aggressive he has poor ego control he thinks he's great but then in the next second he thinks he's
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terrible uh he's rebellious he has this weird father thing that's good like a father complex he alienates some others
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but at times he can be very charming and like bring others into him uh basically
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they're saying he's not actually depressed he just kind of is mimicking this depression and he doesn't actually
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have Suicidal Tendencies he's just looking for the attention here okay so he went to see a Dr Charles W long for
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some more treatment around this time and things started going better like he was
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starting to feel a little more like together so he applied for a teaching fellowship because he was like you know
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what I'm gonna get with my professional [ __ ] I want to be a teacher oh yeah at
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the end of 1969 he started work at plant Plantation High School in Florida and he
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started teaching social studies and this was a fellowship this was not him being like an actual like full-blown
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teacher yeah I'm just no now just as he started working his parents divorced after 22 years oh [ __ ] yeah and you know
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he didn't take I mean who would take that life you know Gerard is not taking it well now on the divorce papers for
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his parents his mom cited for the reason extreme cruelty chronic drunkenness and
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adultery oh [ __ ] so [ __ ] was going down in that house and he had I mean extreme
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cruelty that means he had seen yeah that means he had seen some stuff at this time his father also entered rehab for
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alcoholism okay so there was a lot going on this is so we're going to go back to he
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was still taking classes at Broward Junior College which is what I talked about before right he was also taking a
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little bit of um part-time like teaching assistant hours there so he was like kind of a TA to some of the teachers in
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December of that year a woman connected to him went missing under suspicious circumstances yeah because he did it
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right he definitely did it her name was Carmen Hallock she was 22 years old she worked as a waitress and was said to
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have been stunningly beautiful she had auburn hair which is important later and she was single and living in an
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apartment with a new puppy at the time oh she told friends in the days leading up
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to her disappearance that she had been offered a really well-paying government job and he was going to be working with
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undercover narcotics agents so she was going to be coming like an undercover kind of informant okay uh this was she
00:28:01
said this was going to allow her to travel to all these amazing places like these Island places everywhere and you
00:28:07
know it's gonna be great and everyone she told everyone she was telling this to was like that sounds a little shady
00:28:12
yeah and she was like and I guess she told a bunch of people like eh what do I have to lose like I'm 22 I don't care
00:28:17
well not whatever I get that and she's like sounds cool if it works it works if it doesn't it doesn't like she never
00:28:23
expected this to happen exactly and people were like who brought this up to you and she claimed it was a teacher at
00:28:29
Broward Junior College I bet it was and Gerard Shafer happened to be a teaching assistant there they also were proven
00:28:36
the two of them to have taken at least one class together at the time okay so they definitely knew who each other was
00:28:43
right and there's more connections to her later and this is a junior college too so it's probably a lot smaller
00:28:50
exactly she was said to have had dinner out with a mystery man in the days leading up to
00:28:55
her disappearance as well and was last seen on December 18 1969 by her friend Nancy Bauer Nancy had invited Carmen to
00:29:04
spend Christmas with her or like some of the Christmas time and she had accepted
00:29:07
but she never showed and that's sad and Nancy got really worried so she went to her apartment and found the door was
00:29:13
wide open a bath was full like it had been drawn but and ready to use her purse was still
00:29:20
there her car was found at a nearby park and her puppy was still in the apartment
00:29:24
thank you and appeared to be starving and dirty like it had been alone for days yeah at least days like she was
00:29:30
like I went in there and it was just so happy to see me oh don't worry she took the puppy and took care of it also what
00:29:36
a good puppy staying in the apartment yeah all the time now a missing person's report was filed immediately remember in
00:29:44
this kind of just like went about the Wayside remember her name Carmen Hallock the same time period another girl went
00:29:50
missing you may remember this name Lee Hayne I do the neighbor at the time now I'm again like ash said she was the
00:29:59
neighbor she's the neighbor that he said used to taunt him by getting undressed in her own bedroom by living her life in
00:30:05
her own home now at this time she was married and her name was Lee bonadies Yes again it is that Lee now Carmen's
00:30:13
friend Lucille Cardone told Carmen Hallock told investigators later that she had seen Carmen with Lee so Carmen
00:30:21
and Lee knew each other oh weird connection and she had seen them together out at like a diner or
00:30:27
something like that and it was shortly before their disappearances and this was in like September I think
00:30:32
Lee went missing in September before Carmen so they were friends and Lee was blonde
00:30:37
and 25 years old what we're gonna see later is that he had a pattern of going after pairs of women and usually they
00:30:46
were dark hair light hair oh yeah weird I know it's horrific do you think it's like a yin yang thing I don't know I
00:30:54
think he just does it did he ever talk about why no because he didn't kill anybody oh right remember he didn't kill
00:31:00
anybody yeah he's a lot so she was married at the time only less than a month when she
00:31:06
went missing and when she went missing she was married to a man named Charles bonnades interestingly evidence was
00:31:14
found that showed that Gerard John Shafer and Lee had spoken the day of her disappearance oh because they remained
00:31:22
like they knew who each other was they were friendly when they were younger this all stayed the same they were in
00:31:27
the same area Fort Lauderdale they had spoken the day of her disappearance and he later admitted this
00:31:32
said that they spoke said that she had asked him to drive her to the airport for something but then sent a telegram
00:31:39
later that canceled that but they never found the telegram it was all very ridiculous
00:31:44
she had left a note for her husband that day saying she was going to Miami which
00:31:49
wasn't that far away and would be back later but she never returned there is a lot of weirdness surrounding her case
00:31:56
that doesn't really like have a place right here but in the book like Patrick Kendrick's book he goes really far into
00:32:03
it I'm telling you go Rita because it's just like a wild goose chase in there like that it kind of goes off to the
00:32:09
side in this weird strange area Okay involving like the FBI and like fake FBI agents and stuff it's crazy but
00:32:17
definitely go read that book because it's crazy but again remember Lee still continue to remember her we have now
00:32:23
Carmen who has gone missing we have Lee who is already connected to him that has
00:32:27
gone missing and now we know that Carmen was at least in a class with him right and said she had this weird government
00:32:34
job that she was gonna get that offered to her a teacher yeah yeah we're like yeah yeah yeah you got it so around this
00:32:43
time too Gerard was let go from his first teaching job at that High School and it was after he got like some subpar
00:32:51
evaluations about his teaching skills all right uh one of the things they wrote was that he put on the bulletin it
00:33:01
said veto the non-intercourse ACT which is apparently something that was going through like you know Congress or
00:33:07
whatever but he wrote it there for high school students and then the second one was he explains to class how he evaded
00:33:14
the draft okay I go okay I mean helpful I mean sure uh he also it says lack of cooperation and not accepting advice
00:33:24
from his superiors there was also phone calls from parents that he did not uh have a proper influence on students and
00:33:31
they were getting worried uh and he said so they brought all this to him and we're like you're not doing great and
00:33:38
like parents are not happy with it and we are not happy he was like well I have a right to express my opinions
00:33:43
uh it's like to an extent my dude yeah but like also not at the same time but he also then said he does not intend to
00:33:52
teach there to share his opinions with them and they were like well then you can't
00:33:56
work here like you can't do that like you have to teach them you can't just hang out and tell people things and then
00:34:01
the last thing they wrote on the evaluation was that he told kids that George Washington smoked pot I mean I
00:34:08
was like that's kind of a funny but if he wasn't such a piece of [ __ ] exactly so at this time Martha officially filed
00:34:15
for divorce they had separated a while ago I just said George Washington didn't know Martha it was like my my man George
00:34:21
I am Martha Washington did not she filed for divorce in May 1970 she also cited extreme cruelty oh yep she refused after
00:34:33
this to speak about the marriage or what led to the divorce oh that she would not
00:34:36
scared because that I feel like that just means she couldn't go through talking about it yeah it seemed like it
00:34:43
was uh not great yeah no the same year he got another teaching fellowship I always love how these kind
00:34:51
of people just keep on getting jobs yeah because it's like nobody tracks up on their references but then people who are
00:34:57
like really strong candidates for jobs and really would be good at those jobs get passed over for these kind of dicks
00:35:04
that makes no sense so he got another teaching fellowship at Stranahan High School in Fort Lauderdale he was
00:35:10
terrible at it as well he's I don't know if you guys have noticed but teaching is
00:35:13
not his uh Forte he's just there to share opinions guys he's not there to teach he's there to share his opinions
00:35:19
he would leave class and just like not show back up and he would not come to any of the teacher meetings he's an
00:35:25
ideal teacher didn't think he was just shitty at his job and he got really bad evaluations there too one of them said
00:35:32
he was too defensive to evaluate oh wow one said student seems to have a severe inferiority inferiority and seriously
00:35:42
complex there we go demonstrating the classic defense mechanic ISM of superiority evidenced by authoritative
00:35:49
dictorial approach awesome yes so basically he's a dick he has an authority complex like he thinks he's
00:35:56
like above everybody that's who he is for his whole life love the second time super that he got fired from this job
00:36:04
his supervisor was Richard goodhart and he said quote I told him when he left that he'd better never let me hear of
00:36:10
his trying to get a job with any authority over other people or I do anything I could to prevent it holy [ __ ]
00:36:16
so his supervisor Richard goodhart knew exactly who he was and he knew exactly why John or Gerard
00:36:25
whatever you want to go I hate calling him John because yeah John understood it's exactly what Gerard was after he
00:36:32
went after every job that let him have power over people he didn't want to become a teacher he wanted to become a
00:36:39
teacher because he wanted to hold power over a bunch of students and we see that
00:36:44
he ends up wanting to become which I'm going to talk about in a second he wants to become like a priest at one point
00:36:48
because people have to listen to that's power that he becomes a police officer that's power he always wanted to hold
00:36:57
that kind of power he became very obsessed over this time with capital punishment oh which I get
00:37:04
it it's a fascinating yeah thing but when you put it into like but when you put it ways doing it this person and
00:37:11
when you find out how he was obsessed with it it's worse like I understand being fascinated with the idea that we
00:37:18
like legally kill people like that is a very interesting thing to research and just be like wow just like the arguments
00:37:25
on both sides and exactly that's what's interesting there's a lot of interest to
00:37:28
be had with like how people think about it and all that that would be normal yeah but he was really into hanging
00:37:35
and he wanted to know everything about what happened when a body was hanged okay yep now remember one of his
00:37:43
nicknames is the hangman I want everybody to remember that I forgot that yep obviously
00:37:51
when you put this next to that it gets worse it's just it's not okay it's not an okay interest while going
00:37:58
through this beginning phase of like being obsessed with hanging and starting to get into what that's all
00:38:05
about he wrote to several publishing companies claiming to be a research assistant for various colleges he was
00:38:12
lying in order to gain access to details about what happened when people died what the [ __ ] he was particularly
00:38:19
interested in and this is really gross guys he was particularly interested in what happened when people would urinate
00:38:27
or defecate when they hung he seemed very fascinated by that and that remains something that he derives a
00:38:35
lot of pleasure in knowing about oh okay and witnessing himself oh he is was so bad guy like he's so bad I
00:38:47
have no idea how more people don't know about him now this is when he decided he
00:38:51
wanted to become a priest so he tried to become a priest at St John's Seminary but he was turned away because they said
00:38:58
they he did not have enough faith I think they had a feeling I like that they use the you do not have enough
00:39:03
Faith line because I was like good for you instead of just being like he's crazy you're a [ __ ] creep but no you
00:39:08
can't they can't no you cannot in interviews he later said he was not you know what he wasn't into the Catholic
00:39:14
church after that because he said he dug deeper into it after that and he said they didn't allow you to question the
00:39:20
dogma of it all and he was a Seeker guys you know Gerard's a seeker of knowledge
00:39:25
that's who he is he's so intelligent he's so he's just always trying to learn this guy on liquidity and he said and he
00:39:32
said according to him he's very sensitive yeah and when he and when he would learn
00:39:37
things about the Catholic faith he was like I just had to ask so I would go up to a priest and I'd be like what's this
00:39:42
all about and in one of his interviews that's literally how he talks sometimes like just what what I don't like it at
00:39:49
all in one of his interviews he says that he's like I would walk up to a priest and I'd be like this Virgin Mary
00:39:54
stuff how's that possible and he's like in the priest and then the priest would be like get the [ __ ] out and he was like
00:40:00
I don't think that's what it was I don't think that you came up to a priest and was like
00:40:04
what's with this Virgin Mary stuff and he was a get out son I think he was probably like you're weird get policeman
00:40:10
he was probably like you're being disrespectful like do you want to be here or you don't want to be here they
00:40:15
probably sensed who you were I feel like a lot of people around you sensed who you were but then the wrong people
00:40:19
didn't sense who you were yeah and they hired you to become a police officer I think that's what happened yeah so he
00:40:25
worked for a while as a security guard because and again Power Authority he worked for the wacken Huts
00:40:33
corporation which I think you've probably seen like that's still a thing uh and while he was doing this he met a
00:40:39
young woman named Teresa Dean who worked at the Econo way grocery store all right
00:40:44
she was a cashier they flirted often and it was like this thing where he would like go through a line and be like hey
00:40:51
there and she was like Hey there and then they started dating because she didn't know I want to love that and
00:40:56
again I can't he's a security guard right A lot of people that gives you an immediate sense of security he's a
00:41:03
security guard that's what he does now he was already at this point saying the next thing I want to do is I want to be
00:41:10
a police officer I'm already security guard I got this little taste of it and I want the full [ __ ] so I do wonder if
00:41:19
just because of who Gerard is I wonder if that whole thing when his supervisor Richard goodhart was like you better not
00:41:26
get any kind of job with authority that he was like [ __ ] you I'm gonna do it I
00:41:30
feel like he is that kind of person that if you do that he's just gonna push spiteful yeah he's a spiteful piece of
00:41:36
[ __ ] so he applied to several departments and was rejected by the Broward County Sheriff's office after
00:41:42
failing the psychological test do you remember the Show on TLC Broward County was it like Broward County women like I
00:41:49
think it was the woman police officer such a good show well he was he could not get in there no he's he failed the
00:41:56
psychological test uh but he did finally and he failed a bunch like he wasn't getting a job anywhere so there was some
00:42:02
good thoughts going around that people were like I don't think you should have a gun right and you would think that
00:42:06
they would like look at the other departments that he'd applied to you would think but then he got a job with a
00:42:12
very small department and that might be why because they were probably just like
00:42:16
looking for people and they probably didn't talk to the other ones as much and it was the Wilton Manors police
00:42:22
department uh he went through the Broward County Police Academy to get here and in September of 1971 he was on
00:42:30
his way to becoming a full-fledged police officer oh [ __ ] same year he proposed to Teresa Dean and they were
00:42:37
married by September of 1971. no Teresa Teresa's story uh I there's not a lot about her but what happens after uh his
00:42:47
trial is uh really wild so hang tight all right now the police chief of that department Bernard Scott later said
00:42:55
about his time at the department quote he used poor judgment did dumb things if he was sent to control traffic at an
00:43:02
accident John would wander into a store and buy a bag of potato chips are you kidding dumb things like that and then
00:43:08
he said I'd put my uniform back on and walk the streets myself before hiring Schaefer back I love that he was like
00:43:14
wanted these positions of power but then I mean like really did nothing with them
00:43:18
yeah like literally so but I think that's what it was he got the position of power and then he
00:43:24
utilized it in a way that he was like well I'm God now I can do whatever the [ __ ] I want I can go buy a bag of potato
00:43:31
chips because who gives a [ __ ] I'm a police officer like that's how he felt like he felt like he could just do
00:43:35
whatever he wanted now he was a he was a teacher I can do whatever the [ __ ] I want I'm in charge now yeah that's what
00:43:42
he felt and it's like no dude you still have to like do the job first of all and
00:43:47
second of all you still have superiors oh yeah you're not the head honcho in any of these jobs well do you think that
00:43:52
there was also just like an element of just being a lazy [ __ ] and just yeah being a lazy [ __ ] and being an idiot
00:43:57
yeah I think there was a lot of things going on working against here um ex-fbi agent Robert wrestler which
00:44:04
people might recognize that name he says that Schaefer was disciplined for running female traffic violators through
00:44:11
the Department's computer where he would get their information like their addresses phone numbers where they
00:44:18
worked and he would call them up and ask them out if he thought they were cute what actual and he was he got in trouble
00:44:24
for it discipline I would be like you gotta go sir like just got disciplined didn't get fired which should have been
00:44:33
an immediate get the [ __ ] out of here you don't belong with a badge nope and this power of being able to find all
00:44:39
this information yeah he was disciplined for it no comment yeah that sounds about
00:44:45
right for the kind of person he is especially but then his superiors did this strange thing
00:44:53
they in March 1972 he got a commendation for his role in a drug bust so it's like he would do these things
00:45:02
and he's talked about later like he would just go and get a bag of potato chips and like not do what he was
00:45:07
supposed to do at a traffic stop you know like a construction site he was an idiot I would literally put the uniform
00:45:12
on myself and come out of retirement and go on the streets over hiring him again
00:45:15
and then it's like but then he gets a commendation for a drug bust right so what what is and that's it goes right
00:45:23
back to who he was in high school no one can pinpoint who he was yeah that's the
00:45:28
thing he's in he's one he's a dichotomy of a human being at all times that's yeah and I wonder too if it was one of
00:45:35
those things like he got that um is it accommodation accommodation yeah I think I wonder if he got that
00:45:40
just because like he happened to be there with some other officers and like they got yeah exactly
00:45:46
right place right very it's a very strange thing with him and like a very strange pattern with him though that
00:45:52
like people have these thoughts about him that are very conflicting at times and it's like I think he just was able
00:45:59
to show who like what he wanted at any given time but I think he might have had some Gemini he feels very Gemini yeah
00:46:07
and when you see how he was able to convince you know his victims to to trust him one he was able to do it with
00:46:15
a badge I mean he had the uniform on yeah that was his easiest way of doing it right but two he was he could be like
00:46:22
he could act like a Charming person and I say he he couldn't be a Charming person he could act like one well Aries
00:46:29
are very charismatic people there you go and he he could come off as a very charismatic person sometimes and then
00:46:35
other times you're like wow you're a [ __ ] weirdo you look at his interviews and you're like okay like I
00:46:40
understand why some of these women were like oh he's harmless right like let's hang chit chatting it's fine like we can
00:46:47
just sit here and shoot the [ __ ] but then you see him turn and you're like oh like there it is that's the that's the
00:46:54
scary part now after this drug bust like one month later in April he was fired that's what makes me feel like he was
00:47:03
just that's the thing and I'm like what the [ __ ] I think it was a right place right time kind of moment and they were
00:47:08
like but yeah they were like okay see you later you got your Commendation now he then in June 1972 so only what like a
00:47:16
year later not even a year a couple months okay he got another job with another Sheriff's Department the Martin
00:47:22
County Sheriff's Department now again this was June 1972 this is when he did something
00:47:31
terrible this is when it he got caught okay on this day July 21st 1972 so right after he got the job with this new
00:47:41
department on this day he picked up 17 year old Pamela Wells an 18 year old Nancy Trotter they were hitchhiking on
00:47:48
the highway it was the 70s yeah literally everybody was doing it Pamela is known to her friends and those close
00:47:55
to her as Sue so sue Wells is who she was known and she was from Texas uh her friend Nancy there was from Michigan and
00:48:03
they were visiting Florida together they actually didn't know each other before they set out they met each other
00:48:08
while hitchhiking oh they just met up with each other um they were hitchhiking to Chicago and
00:48:13
that's when they met and just really liked each other and we're like do you want to stick together yeah which was
00:48:19
like really cool and smart exactly and they quickly decided you know what let's spend our travel time together Florida
00:48:25
seems like a great place to go let's go together we're just gonna like welcome to being best friends like it's just
00:48:31
it's like a cool little story they just were like yeah we're gonna be friends now now on this day they were trying to
00:48:36
get a ride along Highway A1A they'd spent the day at Jensen Beach and had to get back to where they were staying uh
00:48:44
sheriff's deputy pulled up beside them and at first he told them do you know it's illegal to hitchhike in this area
00:48:50
it was not uh they were like no we had no idea it was illegal we wouldn't be doing it if
00:48:56
we didn't if we knew that so he said you know what why don't I drive you home myself like
00:49:01
I'll drive you guys home because you can't be hitchhiking out here you're gonna get in trouble right
00:49:05
now this was Gerard Shafer who was 26 years old at the time he and he even at this point this is
00:49:14
what's so wild about him he called the department which is this was something that they would do police officers I
00:49:19
don't know if they do it now I'm sure they do they would call the department and say hey is it okay if I drive these
00:49:24
two women home oh this is where I am so it's on record so you're not just driving I'm it's smart but he did it
00:49:31
like he did that protocol okay and he took his time with Nancy and Sue really got to know them was chatting with them
00:49:38
in the car just being a real charismatic guy again he's only 26 at this point so
00:49:43
he's not that much older than them so he's telling them that you know his old stories of hitchhiking he's like I used
00:49:50
to do it too you know like he's appealing to their youth their sense of adventure he's like I get it you just
00:49:55
want to like you know ride with someone you don't even know and just go off into
00:49:59
the wild blue yonder I get it Girls Just Want to Have Fun and they're like absolutely like this guy's cool like
00:50:05
he's growing out they're growing out and he's like they're like great he's a sheriff's deputy we have somebody like
00:50:10
we can and Trust around here who can protect us so he drops them off where they were staying he brings them to
00:50:16
where they're staying and then he says they were like yeah you know like we're he was like what are you guys going to
00:50:21
be doing tomorrow like don't hitchhike again and they were like well we want to go back to the beach back to Jensen
00:50:26
Beach and she they were like but you know we have no way to get there right so he said all right if you guys want to
00:50:32
go to the beach I'll meet you and I'll give you a ride to the beach tomorrow so that you don't have to hitchhike and
00:50:38
they were psyched they were like cool we get like a [ __ ] before we get like a escort to the beach like this is great
00:50:44
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00:52:50
Shell which was around the corner from where they were at 9 30 a.m and I'll bring you to the beach and why would you
00:52:56
think that a cop is it's like a shark Deputy he's got a real [ __ ] car he's got a real bad she radioed into the
00:53:03
station to tell him he was bringing you home right if anything if I was them I'd
00:53:07
be like well he's already got it on record that he brought us home exactly why would he ever do something now yeah
00:53:13
like it's already on record I would never even think of it like from a cop never would have thought of it he showed
00:53:18
up somewhere between 9 15 and 9 30. they said when he showed up he was wearing shorts and a plain shirt he was not
00:53:25
wearing his uniform because he was like oh it's my morning off so I'm just wearing my normal clothes and he told
00:53:29
them you know I'm gonna take you to the beach he was driving his light blue slash green Datsun that often was
00:53:37
associated with him yup he drove towards Jensen Beach he was chatting with them and then he says oh guys you know what
00:53:44
can I take you to see this really cool thing no and he said it's this like old Spanish Fort near the river it's not and
00:53:52
he's they're like okay sure like they're like he's doing something nice for us we'll just let him yeah and he's talking
00:53:56
about like how he loves history well and they hit it off too so they're just like
00:54:00
oh cool yeah you know and to him he this was like a performance like he was he's
00:54:06
like I used to be a teacher I love teaching history is my thing social studies I love it let me teach you about
00:54:12
this it's just something fun I want to show people so they're like all right but instead he drives them down a dirt
00:54:18
road toward Hutchinson Island into a forest no and Sue's like um like is this in here and she was
00:54:26
quoted as saying I got worried because he had told us the day before when he picked us up not to tell anyone oh you
00:54:33
know he emphasized it several times not to tell anyone a policeman was taking us
00:54:38
out there I got worried when he turned down that road because it seemed awfully suspicious
00:54:44
now you may note there she was able to talk about it later yeah I was gonna say about that you were cruising with your
00:54:50
stories go off so I'm gonna give you this right now they survive okay so that is that both
00:54:57
of them survive so you can at least go in there knowing that but my God at what cost
00:55:01
he pulled into thick brush and there was this old run-down shed in the middle of
00:55:06
like a swamp and they were like is what is that it then he was like yeah that's it and they were like I don't
00:55:14
think that's an old Spanish Fort I think that's just like an old rundown shed like what the [ __ ] is going on like we
00:55:19
can go to the beach now and they're like sitting there and they're like this is gross and I don't know why we're here
00:55:24
and we just want to go to the beach can you just bring us to the beach now like this is fun and they put their fighter
00:55:29
flight at this point was probably just like oh yeah and they were saying like he was telling them like all these
00:55:34
things about the river and stuff like but they're not listening and they're just sitting there like okay dude can
00:55:39
you just bring us to the beach like I don't want to be here anymore yeah it's getting so they get back in the car and
00:55:44
suddenly they said his entire attitude just completely changed like he had been telling them all these in the river and
00:55:52
this said man this year they did this and this used to be the entrance for this then he sits down suddenly he went
00:55:57
like Stone Cold and they said he was suddenly super aggressive the friendliness was
00:56:03
completely gone and out of nowhere he says you two ran away your runaways and I know it and they were like we're like
00:56:13
17 and 18 like no we're not and what like they were like what are you talking about and he's like I'm arresting you as
00:56:19
runaway runaways out of nowhere and he handcuffs them both and puts them in the back of the car before explaining
00:56:26
to them do you know what I can do to you I can sell you into slavery what the [ __ ] and they were like what so he told
00:56:34
and then he's like I can bury you out here and no one would find you uh and then he said to them there is no crime
00:56:41
without a body and they were like [ __ ] what the [ __ ] is going on and they were saying that they
00:56:48
were thinking he was just an [ __ ] like they were like he's just what the [ __ ] is going on right now on a trip
00:56:52
their heads were probably like I can't even comprehend what's happening right now so they were kind of calling his
00:56:59
bluff like they were kind of being like all right [ __ ] like you know like you're an idiot because they're just
00:57:03
like I don't know what's up because I think they could also see that he was a [ __ ] idiot like they were like okay
00:57:07
so they're like okay yeah like you're gonna sell us to people like what are you talking about like and I think one
00:57:13
of them was like oh okay how much would I be like literally they're like you're dumb yeah and then he grabs out of his
00:57:20
trunk pieces of rope in pieces of sheet and he gags them both with the pieces of
00:57:25
fabric and they're like now I'm starting to get freaked out and he's tying them up tying their legs tying around their
00:57:32
arms they're freaking out and he explained to them that if one of them tries to escape anything he does he was
00:57:39
going to kill the other oh my God so he goes feel free feel free to run but know
00:57:44
that I'm gonna kill your friend because you ran and they were both now remember they
00:57:49
they adjusted they didn't know each other forever so they're that's got to be a weird scenario where you're like I
00:57:55
really like this person and we're friends right now and we've been traveling like I want to sleep [ __ ] like
00:57:59
one of myself right now I have this like literal life like commitment to this person that like
00:58:06
I have to die because of like it's like yeah what in their 17 and 18 years old like what a thing to have to comprehend
00:58:13
in that moment too much dude and Nancy was said later he took Sue out in a field he had my blanket which she'd
00:58:20
brought which apparently they were bringing to the beach and he put it on the ground he made her sit on it and he
00:58:26
tied her legs together and then he made another loop around her shoulders so that she was tied hand and foot
00:58:32
handcuffed and gagged oh my God I was scared then I could have run away but because but I couldn't because he had
00:58:39
Sue there oh so Nancy literally was like I could have run and I but I just couldn't because he was gonna hurt me
00:58:46
that right like what a [ __ ] I'm like yeah that's a great yeah right like you guys are great he took Nancy to the
00:58:52
river where there was this huge like Banyan and Mangrove tree sticking out of the water
00:58:57
and when the tide went out the roots like the huge gnarly roots of these things you can kind of picture them
00:59:03
they're the kind of trees you see in swamps and yeah you know with the gnarly roots that are just huge they would
00:59:09
become exposed When the tide would go out and it was out at this point he made Nancy get up on one of those roots and
00:59:16
balance and he put a noose around her neck and looped the Rope a few times around the branches of the tree so that
00:59:23
as she fell or moved off the root at all she would hang herself what the [ __ ] he
00:59:29
also tied rope around her knees and she said she just sobbed she was sobbing and
00:59:33
he was just smiling and then he just stood there and watched her crying he's also molested her while she
00:59:42
was in this position in later she said quote and then he told me not to scream because he said if I screamed he'd come
00:59:49
back and wrap the gag around me so tight I would [ __ ] my pants what the [ __ ]
00:59:53
that's what he said to her so he's fascinated by that yep he told her he he could rape her if he wanted to he was
01:00:00
like I could rape you right now if I want to but then he just stared at her and then left
01:00:04
and she was like so she has no idea what's happening she doesn't know if he's going to kill Sue
01:00:11
he doesn't she doesn't know if he's coming back she doesn't know what the plan is she knows that if she moves
01:00:16
anywhere she's hanging and so she spits the gag out of her mouth and started chewing on the knot in The Noose wow
01:00:24
smart she said quote I finally turned around and fell against the branch where the other end of the Rope was tied on
01:00:30
the Rope was looser from my chewing on it and I could untie it with my hand behind my back I undid the knot myself
01:00:37
and then I got all the ropes off I didn't take very long maybe 10 or 15 minutes but I still had handcuffs on wow
01:00:44
good for her to do all of that hand cuff she bit through the Rope loosened it up
01:00:50
so that she could move backwards and untie the Rope right with handcuffed hands that's a bad [ __ ] right Nancy
01:00:58
like Nancy final girl yes like your energy right there so she ran she just ran and she said she thought which I'm
01:01:07
like that's brilliant to take the ropes with her because she said if I left them
01:01:12
maybe he could bind me again if he finds me but if I take them with me maybe he doesn't have any more and I can get rid
01:01:18
of them who would think that in that moment I think that that's the thing like the things like the things that
01:01:24
people will think in these situations yeah like you are just remarkable I'm like I don't think I would have thought
01:01:30
of that no that's brilliant you're like that is really that is survival right there I was sitting outside last night
01:01:36
and heard a noise and I was like so terrified I thought there was a murderer in my backyard and all I had next to me
01:01:41
I'm not okay actually so what I thought I had next to me was only a bird feeder and I was like okay I'll just take this
01:01:47
bird feeder and hit them in the head with it obviously there was a [ __ ] knife sitting on that
01:01:52
table and I missed it I missed it you would just abuse the person I would I mean it would have worked yeah like but
01:01:59
like Nancy is like I gotta take these ropes with me like I guess I'll find a bird to take with me yeah I guess is
01:02:05
there a bird feeder around here that I can hit anybody like let me take one of these roots I guess yeah I'll do there
01:02:09
you go let me try to rip these up like wow well she just started running she just ran she found the river she got in
01:02:16
the river now by the way there's like all kinds of scary [ __ ] in that River there's like things that'll sting you
01:02:20
and like can paralyze you and [ __ ] there's like gnarly like crocodiles and [ __ ] like there's yeah we're in Florida
01:02:26
yeah so she's wading through it as fast as possible still handcuffed oh my God she heard someone call her name and
01:02:34
she's like freaking out and she's like it's a woman like what the [ __ ] she hears it and she
01:02:39
realizes it's Sue calling her name and she's like Sue is calling me and then she said she had this moment where she
01:02:46
was like do I go to her or is he making her call my name to draw me out like is this a trick and so she says she was
01:02:54
like you know what I gotta keep going and then I'll come back for Sue because she's like I can't have both of us go
01:03:00
down like I gotta go get help yeah and I can get help so I have to get it well and then at least like she can give a
01:03:06
description and somebody can hopefully help Sue so she was like I just kept going which she said was like the
01:03:12
hardest thing ever and that was Sue calling her and Sue was not with Gerard safer like she was actually calling her
01:03:19
but she understood it like she got it she was like you know like I would have done that too yeah so she's like you
01:03:24
know what she's free she's running great I'm gonna run two so she's also handcuffed at this point they both are
01:03:30
handcuffed Sue now watch as Nancy go off across the river so she made her way to the road she
01:03:38
actually like waded across the river made her way to the road and she got the attention of a truck driver which shout
01:03:45
out to truck drivers like shout out to truck drivers they are always there in a pinch morbid truck drivers and
01:03:52
supportive of truck drivers truck driver supported by morbid hell yeah uh so a truck driver helped her call the
01:04:00
sheriff's department and now sheriffs deputies are out looking for Nancy and sorry is this in the same uh
01:04:09
jurisdiction as he was in like yeah his police force looking for them are you [ __ ] me
01:04:14
now meanwhile now that Nancy has made the hardest decision of her life to not go back to her friend and to just like
01:04:21
trudge on to try to get help she hid in the bush like in this huge like bush area for hours with like snakes and
01:04:28
spiders and bugs she said like spiders were crawling all over her oh God and then ended up swimming in the river with
01:04:34
handcuffed hands she swam through a school of jellyfish during this got stungs twice while swimming after her
01:04:43
ordeal and with handcuffs on Dad and she kept going she got up on the shore completely
01:04:49
exhausted and she just cried for cars to help her like just was like I just didn't know what else to do she was like
01:04:54
I was so beyond exhausted like in every way so a sheriff's deputy car pulled over
01:05:01
and her immediate thought was like oh my God it's him yeah like luckily it was a
01:05:06
real protector you the way you said it yeah you're like no [ __ ] no well this was sheriff's deputy Robert Louis
01:05:13
Crowder uh he was the man who stopped and he was sincerely there to help her he had not originally heard the story
01:05:21
from Sue and the truck driver calling the department he already knew that they were supposed to be out looking for this
01:05:26
girl okay how he heard this story from Schaefer himself yeah Crowder so sheriff's deputy Crowder
01:05:36
was home that day he was like off that day he actually said he was like mowing the lawn in one of the interviews he was
01:05:41
like I was literally mowing my front lawn okay and he said I get a call from Gerard Shafer and he's like what the
01:05:47
hell and she says I answered the phone and he says I've done something foolish you're gonna be mad at me
01:05:53
I'm I've done something foolish you're gonna be mad at me that's literally word for word what he said I don't even care
01:06:02
about the like you're gonna be mad at me I've done something foolish I've molested a young woman that's so foolish
01:06:10
of abducted tied up molested assaulted tortured and planned to murder and you said two women
01:06:18
you said abducted abducted yep yeah yeah you're gonna be mad at me foolish I did
01:06:23
something pretty foolish like you didn't just like uh I don't know like forget your homework yeah you literally almost
01:06:28
killed two women wow I literally [ __ ] hate you yeah he then proceeded to tell Crowder that he had picked some girls up
01:06:34
hitchhiking he decided for their own safety in the future that he was going to demonstrate why hitchhiking was so
01:06:42
dangerous no by literally torturing these girls in the forest no sir I don't know if you know the law which I would
01:06:49
assume you would since you're a police officer but that's not how it works no he said he he said I just wanted to
01:06:56
teach them a lesson I wanted to scare them into not hitchhiking anymore and he goes
01:07:01
I admit I got carried away carried away got a little carried away carried away what a little I overtaught
01:07:07
I over taught this you didn't put like a little extra icing on the cake nope you
01:07:12
destroyed two women's lives exactly yeah he so it's just insane so Crowder is like oh okay all righty so he calls the
01:07:23
department and he tells them that he's like you know what you need to call me if you get any information that comes in
01:07:29
about two girls named Nancy Trotter and Pamela Wells he was like I need to know about it he was like what the [ __ ] so he
01:07:36
was called when Sue and the trucker called the station but he already knew that he was supposed to be looking for
01:07:41
them so when they called he was like okay now we gotta go find them and he went to talk to Sue and this truck
01:07:47
driver so he was like okay what happened so sue told him everything or as much as
01:07:52
she could and said Nancy's still out there like we gotta go get her so when he was driving by he saw Nancy coming
01:07:59
out of the river and he told her I talked to Sue like Suzuki okay your friend is okay and he's like I'm gonna
01:08:06
keep you safe I'm Gonna Keep both of you safe you don't have to worry and they're
01:08:09
probably like I really hope you're telling you yeah dude and Nancy said she was like he was very kind and like very
01:08:15
like comforting in that moment like I give like he was a really good guy now luckily uh Shaffer was immediately fired
01:08:23
for this one this was not one of those disciplinary things arrested uh he was charged with aggravated assaults
01:08:30
but they let him out on bond for his trial that wouldn't be for another six months so he was out and
01:08:39
John Bond he just abducted two women right and only got aggravated assault like he molested her
01:08:48
yep all right he also is planning to kill them what if she stepped off of that rope off of that root she would
01:08:55
have hung right like no she told her it's the same thing though it's like a attempted murder yeah
01:09:01
so now he's out on bond for months and more women are now going to be in extreme danger because don't say he has
01:09:08
six months before his trial and in these six months he's pissed he [ __ ] up he [ __ ] up he didn't he was not satisfied
01:09:15
by what he did so it was during this time that he met 17 year olds Susan place and Georgia Jessup
01:09:22
Susan Place went to high school went to the high school that Gerard shot at the Plantation High School this is probably
01:09:29
where he first saw her she was blonde she had blue eyes she was sweet she was kind she was just like a
01:09:36
cool girl she was really independent she was born with partial Paralysis on her left side and she did suffer from
01:09:43
epilepsy but other than that she like tried to live a normal life she didn't let it get
01:09:49
to her yeah high school was a little tough because of all of this remember epilepsy was something people were like
01:09:54
very shitty about back then like even as recently as yeah they just didn't get it
01:09:59
I think they didn't understand what it was and so she even lost a job at a grocery store once because they said
01:10:05
that their insurance couldn't cover an epileptic working there wow yeah which was just wild to me and I found
01:10:12
this out in Patrick Kendrick's book so again read that book she and her family were super close she loved music like
01:10:20
loved it she played a ton of instruments like piano guitar she could sing she was
01:10:24
just like really creative when she was 17 years old she ended up leaving high school and starting her education at an
01:10:31
adult education center it was there that she met a man who was 26 years old and his name was Jerry
01:10:37
Shepard it wasn't though yep she felt very accepted by him very encouraged by him he was a nice guy he told her like
01:10:45
you can be great things like she felt like he got her now at the same adult education center was a girl named
01:10:52
Georgia Jessup who was 16 years old at the time she everyone describes her as a flower
01:10:58
child love like you would have loved Georgia I love um she was called Crystal by everyone
01:11:04
just because she liked being called Crystal because she was like crystals yeah she believed in reincarnation she
01:11:10
loved the idea of astrology she was just like she was she was that cool like 70.
01:11:15
Spirit girl she was beautiful she had brownish red hair again we have a blonde and a brunette or a redhead does he have
01:11:22
a thing for like redheads too I don't know huh I don't know but um her mom described her in the book uh
01:11:29
American Ripper as a rose and Bloom oh yeah she was really sweet she was really kind just like just like her friend and
01:11:37
she was also really trusting which could get her in a little bit of trouble and it wasn't because like she was like
01:11:44
immature or anything she was just trusting she just wanted to believe the best in people she just wanted to
01:11:49
believe people were good she was a flower child even like with all this podcast I'm still you still yeah you
01:11:55
want to believe you want to believe that people are better it's also thundering right now and the mood is set you might
01:12:00
hear it so she also loved um she loved interior design she was very creative she was very appreciative of like um you
01:12:08
know like architecture and structure she just like really had an eye for that and
01:12:13
at 17. yeah and she did a little modeling she was very beautiful she like her friend like Susan she ended up
01:12:20
leaving High School to attend the same adult education center they were all going there together she also met 26
01:12:26
year old Jerry Shepherd she she apparently told everyone she knew that um she had met him in a pre previous
01:12:33
life she felt because they had just like a connection they clicked yeah they clicked because it gave a manipulative
01:12:38
piece of [ __ ] he's 26 years old he's in that age group that's like cool to a 17
01:12:42
year old you know like a 26 year old like guy that just is like I'm a cop but then you look back up on it and you're
01:12:47
like why was he hanging out with us exactly but they at the time you don't think they were like when you're 17
01:12:54
you're like I'm just cool like that's what this is all about um she was really like into him she
01:13:00
really liked him she thought he was so cool and she ended up hiding a lot of stuff from her parents about him which
01:13:06
was not something that she would do otherwise like they were finding out like she was kind of lying and like
01:13:11
sneaking around a little bit and they were like this is just not like her well and he's older too yeah she probably
01:13:16
felt like she had to exactly now every woman he brought into his web and made a victim of his
01:13:24
they all shared something like or most of them I should say shared like they were emotionally going through something
01:13:30
it's like he picked people that were emotionally vulnerable that was kind of his thing was he could they were like in
01:13:38
a state where he could easily overpower them in every way physically emotionally
01:13:43
financially mentally everything and this was no different they were both kind of in a weird place in their lives
01:13:50
they had left high school they're kind of like trying to figure out what they want to do they were like you know it's
01:13:54
the 70s it's being 17 everything sucks and it's just like you know no one understands me you know what I mean it's
01:14:02
just like that he knows that that's 17 year olds are in that spot no matter what like that's almost their default
01:14:08
position so he knows that yeah that's why he preys on them so Jerry eventually told Susan in
01:14:14
Georgia that he was going to be going to Mexico and then he was going to go home
01:14:18
to Colorado where he lived he did not live there and it makes me wonder because again this is during that six
01:14:24
month period that he was awaiting trial that he was telling these girls this so it makes me wonder if he was actually
01:14:31
really planning to skip town to avoid that trial yeah I think he was maybe thinking he was going to leave for
01:14:37
Mexico I could see that but he asked them do you want to come with me to make this a big adventure you know like
01:14:43
everybody's hitchhiking everybody's going everywhere like you know free love let's go like let's do this so these
01:14:48
girls are like [ __ ] yeah that sounds awesome and again they're a bit unsettled right now so he's like let's
01:14:54
do this they both wanted to go they were both totally into it they were like we need some Adventure in our lives let's
01:15:00
get the hell out of here yeah so September 27 1972 they both ended up leaving with Jerry Shepard together
01:15:07
remember this is two months before his trial for the for the things he had just done to Nancy Trotter and sue Wells two
01:15:15
months Georgia at the time when she left she was wearing blue jeans with like these brown leather patches on them one
01:15:22
was in the shape of an owl and one was in the shape it had like the Road Runner on it oh cool like which was like super
01:15:29
cool at the time and she had left Georgia had left a note for her parents basically telling them
01:15:35
that she was running away like she was just running away to have some Adventure I'll be back at some point but I'm
01:15:42
running away for now she had gone away for small periods of time before like kind of took off for a little while and
01:15:47
come back but she always returned her parents knew she was kind of going through it a little bit Yeah they didn't
01:15:52
like it but they knew that she would come back and they probably didn't want to press too hard and have to get away
01:15:57
and not come back exactly and again the 70s are just a different situation and Susan actually told her mother Lucille
01:16:06
Lucille place that she was like you know what I want to go with this guy and with
01:16:10
Georgia and we're gonna have an adventure like she told her about it she was like this is what I want to do her
01:16:15
mother was not happy about it Lucille was like uh I don't know about that but she was like you know what she was
01:16:21
turning 18. I felt like I should let her do this she said she remembered Jerry and Georgia
01:16:28
coming over that day September 27th to get Susan and she spoke to them both so she spoke to Jerry she spoke to Georgia
01:16:35
she said she got a weird feeling about Jerry he wasn't like creepy but she was like I just got a Vibe it was just a
01:16:43
mommy Vibe and then there's all these reports that she said they had told her they were gonna go away they were gonna
01:16:49
go on adventure but she said right now we're just gonna go to the beach and play some guitar and hang out so she was
01:16:54
like okay that's fine you can go do that we'll discuss all this later like you know
01:17:00
so she says she watched his blue-green Datsun that Jerry has who else has one of those oh uh another guy with a name
01:17:07
kind of similar to Jerry could it be Gerard Gerard Shaffer she watched it pull away and she said she could see
01:17:14
Susan take one last look at home before she went out of sight never to be seen alive again oh no I can't imagine like
01:17:22
feeling that oh I feel so horrible for these parents but that picture is probably just oh burnt in her memory
01:17:28
burned and luckily Susan's Mom Lucille while she's watching this she said while she was feeling that weird feeling she
01:17:36
said I kept looking out at that vehicle in my front yard while they were in the house and she goes and I kept looking at
01:17:41
it and she goes and then I just was like you know what I'm gonna write that license plate down and she wrote that
01:17:46
license plate number down hell yeah because she was like and it proved to be one of the most important things that
01:17:51
anyone did in this drive wow now Susan's mother started getting worried as the she was she didn't come
01:17:57
home right she was only supposed to be at the beach and days went by weeks went by no call from Susan she also noticed
01:18:05
at one time when she was cleaning up her room she said she noticed her epilepsy medication was not on her person it was
01:18:10
in the drawer oh no so she's like she did not mean she didn't intend to leave for long she was going to be coming home
01:18:16
because she never would have left without that so she gets this weird feeling about it so she calls one of her
01:18:22
friends and she's like have you heard from her do you know where she could be and the friend gave her the number of
01:18:27
Georgia jessup's mother Shirley Jessup she was like I know they were going to be hanging out with that guy Jerry so
01:18:33
she calls Shirley they connect and Shirley explained you know Georgia left us a note she said she ran away and she
01:18:41
was like you know what she in the note she said sorry I just have to find my head okay so apparently she was feeling
01:18:46
a little lost yeah and she's like we we're worried too but like we didn't know what to do and we were hoping she
01:18:51
would just come back hearing that Susan had not run away but had like had told her mom what she was doing but had not
01:18:58
contacted her mother Shirley was like oh that's concerning so together the two moms called the Oakland parked police
01:19:06
but parked a police department and they reported the license plate number that Lucille wrote down and they reported the
01:19:12
car and also said his name is Jerry Shepard nothing came of it because they probably were like these are two
01:19:22
runaways and they just decided to go well and also this is great so Lucille sat there and wrote down that license
01:19:30
plate she thought about it she gives it to the police the police write their license plate number down wrong from her
01:19:37
telling them so it matched a completely different car and a dress which led to nothing of a dead end later they found
01:19:44
out that Lucille did have the right number she had not copied down the number wrong and it was the police that
01:19:50
wrote it down so they were able to use her right number to actually lead back to Jerry but the police wrote it down
01:19:57
wrong how are you not double checking that right exactly and like had you not written that down wrong yeah who knows
01:20:04
what could have happened the police really [ __ ] the bed with this one like really [ __ ] the bed basically these
01:20:09
mothers were told it was hard because they're almost of age to leave home but they're not yet so let's not say that to
01:20:16
me so luckily after this the jessups and the places all the moms and the dads they kept in touch they would drive
01:20:23
around together looking for their daughters all together they were investigating the case together yeah
01:20:28
like they were all doing this they did the police's job for them at this point now remember at this moment he's out on
01:20:35
bond right he's out on bond he's about to go on trial in November for literally abducting assaulting and attempting to
01:20:41
torture and murder two teenage girls and now he's literally a waiting trial with
01:20:46
two teenage girls meanwhile as all of this is happening Gerard's trial was in November 1972 and at this time when the
01:20:55
trial was happening what is about to happen Nancy Trotter and sue Wells the survivors they decided to stay where
01:21:02
this happened in Stuart Florida they stayed there they got jobs and lived there where they were abducted and
01:21:08
assaulted and almost murdered just so they could be there for the trial to testify against him wow a bad [ __ ] I
01:21:15
was just kidding like a couple of bad [ __ ] got jobs like we're like we're not going anywhere good like we're
01:21:21
staying here and we're gonna make sure you get your [ __ ] and for all they knew
01:21:24
he could have he was probably lurking right around there you know that's the thing they're literally living in the
01:21:28
same area this happened and they have to to deal with him being out and about and
01:21:31
like the thought of like running into him at some point yep now this is wild to me during the trial so when the trial
01:21:39
finally happened it was like a quick trial the girls did testify they did like [ __ ] amazing did he show up to
01:21:45
trial he showed up oh he showed up okay because remember right now they all that you know all
01:21:51
that the places and the jessops notes this Jerry shepherd man they don't know who Gerard Shafer is so Gerard Schaefer
01:21:57
shows up he didn't go anywhere he's still around so where are the girls yeah exactly so he shows up to his trial he
01:22:04
goes through the whole thing the judge was Martin County circuit court judge DC Smith and he said to Schaefer in that
01:22:12
courtroom are you ready no I don't think you're gonna tell by your facial expression and
01:22:18
the furrow in your brow that I am not ready he said I don't want to embarrass you I do but I can't conceive how you
01:22:25
were such an automatic jackass and a fool as you were I think we all concur in that you were a thoughtless fool
01:22:32
I don't know if that's quite the words that I would use I don't want to embarrass you
01:22:40
thoughtless fool how about a [ __ ] monster who was fully planning to torture and murder
01:22:46
these girls and had slung a [ __ ] noose around their necks no Elena let's make his cheeks a little red that's one
01:22:55
of his own let's humiliate him just a little bit I think this is the time when we can say you know what I do want to
01:23:02
[ __ ] embarrass you I would want to embarrass the [ __ ] out of you you [ __ ] piece of dung are you kidding me
01:23:07
I don't want to embarrass you you fool that's the good old boy system I'm calling him a fool he's a monster right
01:23:14
he's an attempted murderer hello everybody hello what is happening here everybody's just like you're such a fool
01:23:20
that's them taking care of their own though it truly is it's wild so Gerard told reporters outside the courtroom
01:23:27
with a smile because he was always smiling I bet he was he said I made a stupid mistake there was no sex involved
01:23:34
no one got hurt yeah because they got away dude and actually got hurt it did get hurt no one got hurt are you kidding
01:23:41
me girl was stung by multiple jellyfish escaping you they both had to swim across a [ __ ] River in the Everglades
01:23:48
basically to [ __ ] handcuffed yeah are you kid no one was hurt they're gonna be
01:23:53
destroyed for the rest of their lives emotionally from that like what the [ __ ]
01:23:57
dude so he ended up accepting a plea deal oh my gosh and he only had to plead guilty to one charge of aggravated
01:24:04
assault that's absolute bullshite and this meant that Gerard was sentenced to one year in jail with the possibility of
01:24:12
parole after six months wow and three years of probation which he was just gonna skip out on anyway he attempted to
01:24:20
hang two teenage girls and sexually assaulted them while planning to murder them but okay justice system alrighty
01:24:28
okay totally yeah but this was in December that he was even officially sentenced the trial began in November
01:24:34
remember and he did start serving his sentence but he started serving it January 15
01:24:41
1973. he was sentenced in December didn't start serving until January 15th I never understand how that worked they
01:24:49
just let him out they just let him out for a little while longer before he had to come service
01:24:53
center Affairs together is that what it is just get your [ __ ] together so he didn't start that sentence until
01:24:58
technically six months after he had done the crime and then he could like you could have they're in the same Community
01:25:03
he could have hurt them and you just like let him walk exactly cool and now Susan place and Georgia Jessup have been
01:25:10
missing for months at this point and they were last seen with Jerry Shepard whose car physical description and home
01:25:17
later we find out match [ __ ] Gerard Shafer I gotta go now days before he began his sentence on January 15th two
01:25:27
more women went missing are you serious days before he went in because they knew
01:25:30
he was going away a few months Colette Marie good enough and Barbara and Wilcox were both 19 years old one Blonde one
01:25:39
brunette they matched the profile they were friends from Cedar Rapids Iowa who were looking to hitchhike across the
01:25:45
country from Iowa to Florida they said they were going to be staying with a friend this friend was a male friend
01:25:51
from college who they had met in Iowa but this guy had lived in Florida interesting he told them he was going
01:25:58
back and they should come stay with him when they could in Florida he was like going back to Florida come stay with me
01:26:04
so they're really cool it'll be a fun road trip yeah so they stopped in Biloxi Mississippi where they were staying with
01:26:10
family on the way and then sometime between January 8 and January 11th so before he's in jail
01:26:17
they left again to hitchhike to Florida according to family members they were staying with they said they they left
01:26:22
our house then so this is between seven and four days before this guy starts serving his
01:26:28
sentence and he's just out in Iowa yep now during this time before Colette and Barbara left Iowa in the fall of 1972
01:26:35
they were in Iowa before they left to go to Florida Schaefer admits he left the state unlawfully well out on bound on
01:26:43
bonds wow in the fall either right before or during his trial are you kidding me
01:26:50
so he said he left to go so later he was like yes I did leave unlawfully because
01:26:55
you were out on you're not supposed to leave the stage no he says he went to go on a hunting trip and he said I went
01:27:01
somewhere like South Dakota somewhere like South and they were like well you would probably know where you
01:27:06
went where did you go and he's like I don't know somewhere around South Dakota oh you just don't know yeah you just
01:27:12
don't have to went to a place but he was later discovered that during this time there was long-distance phone calls made
01:27:17
to his home in Stuart Florida during this time from Cedar Rapids Iowa there you have it he was in the place these
01:27:24
girls were living for a while and according to American Ripper Patrick Kendrick reports that Colette was a
01:27:30
lover of poetry and often wrote it herself she was also suffering from some emotional issues and sought professional
01:27:37
help from them I want you to for like for her emotional issues I want you to hold on to that okay because that does
01:27:43
come back later Colette and Barbara were were close friends they were like ready
01:27:49
to set off on an adventure together and they definitely came across Gerard Shaffer during this time 100 the theory
01:27:58
is that I mean he made phone calls from Cedar Rapids Iowa to home he was there yeah during this time right it was
01:28:04
definitely he was pretending to go to college and he met them they became friends because he was able to charm and
01:28:11
he told them you know what I'm going back home to Florida why don't you come out and visit me right and I'm gonna be
01:28:16
back only for this short period of time so you got to get there before I go to [ __ ] jail he didn't say that but he
01:28:21
was definitely being like I gotta be somewhere in January so get here right so there's that now meanwhile so that
01:28:28
happened they went missing they never arrived in Florida nobody heard from them and their families were like they
01:28:33
would have told us where they were yeah now meanwhile January 17 1973 two days after this schmuck finally starts
01:28:41
serving his sneeze of a sentence yes for real another horrific Discovery was found that would later be linked to
01:28:48
Gerard Shafer remember this six-month period of time that he was allowed to troll around was really detrimental he
01:28:56
also did a ton of [ __ ] before this but that time he definitely did some [ __ ]
01:29:00
during this time so in Plantation Florida remember where he had worked as a teacher yep where he
01:29:07
had met like all some of the victims in Plantation Florida two workers were surveying an empty lot because they were
01:29:14
going to be building condos there one of these workers James Christian was surveying near a set of bushes and he
01:29:21
just noticed something red in the bush he went closer and he quickly discovered that what he was seeing was part of a
01:29:27
dead body it was horrifically battered the red he had seen were from a pair of hip hug or maroon pants that were not on
01:29:35
the body but near it the body's legs were spread apart and they were still wearing a red white and
01:29:41
blue t-shirt her hands were covered in so like I guess they were like buried in the soil a little bit okay which made
01:29:48
them weirdly preserved like really well preserved and there were several broken fingernails on her hands showing a lot
01:29:55
of Defense wounds had occurred she had struggled yeah now somehow this got worse her head had been severed from her
01:30:04
body and it was lying in a puddle of blood nearby oh my God the lower jaw of her head was shattered and a tooth was
01:30:11
missing at least one the body appeared to be that of a young girl in her teens oh
01:30:17
so police were called to the scene they closed it all off they bring the body in
01:30:21
for identification in an autopsy and when they searched the scene with excavation tools they found
01:30:27
um a pair of like a young teenager girls underwear the missing tooth from the skull and several fingernails which were
01:30:35
literally ripped off her hand oh my God you also wonder what happens to the people that find these bodies for those
01:30:43
kind of people I can't imagine because they nothing can prepare you for that nothing especially that brutal brutal
01:30:50
now an autopsy showed that the shattered jaw was part of a Blow To The Head that
01:30:54
was likely the one that killed her she was a teenager they said between the ages of what they thought was 16 to 22
01:31:01
approximately and she had been dead likely somewhere between one and three months maybe four at the most okay she
01:31:08
was brunette about five five medium builds she remained unidentified at this time
01:31:13
one month later February 15th in the same exact lot they were moving forward to build the condos because
01:31:21
they're like okay they're like we just have to go forward in an area only 200 yards away from where the first body was
01:31:28
found another body was lying there ready to be found now oh my God in the open she too was a young teen girl and was
01:31:36
found with a Blow To The Head and was decapitated these bodies and their discoveries were
01:31:42
covered a lot in the news but no one was coming forward to identify either of them then one night a man named Anthony
01:31:49
briskalina was watching the news when a story came on and he immediately felt his heart drop his daughter Mary
01:31:56
briskalina had run away in October 1972 months earlier and he had not heard from
01:32:02
her since she was only 14 years old had brown hair and had left home with a pair
01:32:07
of maroon Hip Huggers just like the ones founded next to the body 14 14 and the reason that they estimated it was like
01:32:15
between 16 and 22 was I think she was just like taller for her age and like resembles an older looked a little older
01:32:21
he got her dental rest so her father ran and got her dental records to bring to the Emmy
01:32:27
and immediately they were compared they were a match the body was his missing daughter oh no now this led them to
01:32:35
identify the second body because they knew that she was with a girl who was only 13 years old oh my God a girl named
01:32:42
Elsie farmer now Mary's younger sister told investigators that she had seen Mary
01:32:48
leave October 22nd 1972 with Elsie this was right before I remember his trial yep right before the month before and
01:32:56
that they were running away they together they were going to run away they had to they had been having some
01:33:00
issues with that lately taking off hanging with a bad crowd kind of like going through it yeah she now her little
01:33:08
sister had tried to convince her to stay but she watched Mary pack those maroon pants and leave with some voice
01:33:15
now Elsie lived with her half-sister Linda Walker and Linda's husband Robert her family life was really rough before
01:33:23
staying with her half-sister her parents had literally just left her like left the house and kicked her out of it when
01:33:31
she was 10 years old she came home from school one day and they were just that's
01:33:35
it they were like you have no family and it was her half-sister who brought her in and like took care of her yeah
01:33:42
October 24th Linda said she and Elsie or Linda her half-sister said that she'd seen Elsie at the trailer they lived in
01:33:49
with Mary a boy named John Higgins and another boy named Russ Coleman they were they weren't a guy named Bob
01:33:57
Wyatt's car and Bob was at one time dating Mary so these were just all people who knew each other
01:34:03
now Elsie or excuse me Linda the half-sister should she left for an appointment and when she came back
01:34:08
everyone was gone and there was a note that Elsie had left saying she would be back later but she never came back
01:34:16
so she and her husband Robert searched themselves for her and then immediately filed a police report
01:34:21
nothing came of it they now knew that the second body was that of Elsie farmer but they were nowhere near finding the
01:34:28
killers or killer we'll get back to this later so right now unidentified and I'm sorry both were
01:34:35
decapitated both were decapitated okay yeah so at this point Gerard is now because
01:34:41
now we've made it to his sentence he is now in jail for the horrific crimes against Sue and Nancy and police are
01:34:46
still snoozing on any information about the missing Georgia and Susan right so early 1973 Lucille plays Susan's mom
01:34:55
called up detective she had spoken to and she said you know what you're not doing anything so I'm just going to
01:35:01
investigate this myself so she said send me everything you have I called you this
01:35:06
and they did I love that they were just like yeah we aren't gonna do [ __ ] so here you go wow
01:35:11
what a bunch of [ __ ] what the [ __ ] so now together Susan and George's parents
01:35:16
not the police ended up matching a letter Lucille found in Susan's room from Jerry Shepard to the address on the
01:35:23
envelope going to the address of that was connected to the Datsun where they had finally gotten the right plate the
01:35:30
car was indeed registered to that address so they were able to link that up she spoke to the apartment manager
01:35:36
where the address was and the man confirmed that the car and the man who lived there was named Gerard Shafer and
01:35:43
he said yes he drives that that dats in that's his license plate he lived here but he told her I he knew Gerard he said
01:35:51
he's really strange he's really belligerent he like and he says he's actually a former police officer and he
01:35:57
shoot they were like what the [ __ ] and then he goes yeah but he's not anymore because he's actually in the Sheriff's
01:36:03
Department jail being held on assault charges for two female hitchhikers right and they were like are you [ __ ]
01:36:10
kidding me and like our two girls are missing this must have been terrifying here of course because at that point you
01:36:15
probably just lose all hope that you're ever gonna find them alive exactly and they were probably like wait how long
01:36:20
has he been in jail because they're probably hoping in their head like okay maybe he's been in jail this whole time
01:36:26
and we just this is wrong and so that he was like no he just wanted to go oh like
01:36:30
he just like he was definitely out during that time and they're like [ __ ] and to think of what he had done to
01:36:37
Nancy Trotter and sue Wells and now he is possibly the man your daughter's left with months ago I just like can't even
01:36:44
no so the places in the jessups are still doing the police's job and after they learned that Gerard Shafer was
01:36:50
actually the man who was likely Jerry Shepard and that his landlord said he was in jail for assaulting two teenage
01:36:55
girls they went right to the jail where he was being held hell yeah and they spoke to a sergeant there and they
01:37:03
explained the situation and the places uh the places actually gave the sergeant a photo of Susan and they said you go
01:37:10
back there and you show it to him and you asked him if he knows this girl hell yeah so he went back there and he
01:37:16
talked to him and he denied ever meeting Susan but the cops came back and the sergeant was like yeah he's a
01:37:22
bullshitter though like I don't believe him like he's a he's an [ __ ] and a compulsive liar so he gave the the
01:37:28
sergeant actually gave the places a negative like a photo of Schaefer and they said like they kind of showed the
01:37:35
lineup and they were like is he in here they were like that is Jerry Shepard oh she was like he was in my house I know
01:37:41
that man that is him that is the man that left with my daughter that day and her daughter but that's it nothing
01:37:47
nothing happened the police were like wow okay what the [ __ ] like I don't know
01:37:53
what to tell you dude so now the places and the jessups were like well we're gonna bring this to the media now yeah
01:37:58
exactly you want to poke around and find out so they spoke with a woman named Jane Ellison who was a reporter for the
01:38:04
Palm Beach Post times and she was like all right I'm gonna get on this with you like I'm gonna help you
01:38:09
get this out there now it wasn't until April 1st 1973 a couple months later that two bodies were found
01:38:17
now a man named Henderson Hawley and his son Jesse were collecting aluminum cans
01:38:22
in Hutchinson Island Florida Hutchinson Island might sound familiar because that
01:38:27
is where Gerard safer brought Nancy Trotter and sue Wells as he so as uh Henderson wandered off to
01:38:35
collect some more cans he said he saw in the bushes he saw like what he thought was clothing and he said it was stained
01:38:41
and ripped and strewn around everywhere and he saw a pink blouse shirt white underwear black heels and another pair
01:38:47
of shoes that were blue and he was nearing a tree seeing this and he said the smell was outrageous but
01:38:54
he said there was a nuclear plant nearby and he was like I don't know if that's what makes it like something's weird
01:38:58
yeah there were clouds of flies everywhere and he said he suddenly saw a part of a human body but he said it was
01:39:04
still tied to the base of a tree oh my God and he said it had been slightly hidden by palm trees but almost
01:39:11
like it was like a joke right like I'm not really trying to hide this but I'm gonna pretend there was no head to this
01:39:18
body and the spine had been broken oh my God one arm was removed but the other had rope attached to it obviously a
01:39:25
ligature there were claw marks on the tree that came from this person trying to fight to free themselves
01:39:31
as he backed away he stumbled over his second body oh my God it was also headless and the spine had been cut in
01:39:38
two this body still had a pair of jeans on and the jeans he noticed had a leather
01:39:44
patch on it one was a roadrunner patch and one was an owl Georgia so these were Georgia and Susan
01:39:53
now it was Jane Ellison the reporter who suggested to police that they should look into these bodies as possibly
01:39:59
belonging to Georgia Jessup and Susan place you think because she's working with the parents now and they're like
01:40:04
you need to tell me these are not my kids like so she also told them by the way Gerard Shaffer should definitely be
01:40:11
a suspect here like why are you guys not [ __ ] looking into this like why is everyone doing your job yeah like the
01:40:17
mom literally was able to identify him yeah now four days later they were both identified by dental records as Georgia
01:40:23
Jessup and Susan Place April 7 1973 after the discovery of Susan place in Georgia jessup's murdered remains a
01:40:32
search warrant was executed at Schaefer's mother's home since he is now a suspect they hit the jackpots
01:40:40
now I'm not going to list everything they got out of here I'm telling you go read the book he has a complete list of
01:40:46
every single thing they took from this house and it is extensive and terrifying great I'll just
01:40:52
mention a few things they found women's jewelry human teeth in a vial they also found a ton of weapons like machetes
01:40:59
several guns several knives they also found a bunch of photos of mutilated women they found small bones that were
01:41:07
clearly human then they went to this was just at his mother's home by the way and it was in a
01:41:13
room where he told everybody don't you dare go in that room so no one was allowed to go in that room in his
01:41:18
mother's house so like uh this is my house Gerard this is my house buddy but yeah so then they did a search warrant
01:41:25
on Schaefer's home and they found a white pillowcase with stains on it which would make sense later when you read
01:41:30
some of his writings uh they also found some more guns they found a bunch of ammunition they found
01:41:37
cloths that had been ripped into like little straps like yeah um they found human teeth in his house
01:41:45
as well a lot of teeth a lot of gold fillings that had been extracted a lot of photos of women's genitals like just
01:41:53
random photos and a lot of photos of mutilated women a lot of photos of him in sometimes wearing women's clothing
01:42:02
and like quote unquote hanging basically btking there was also a seven page typed
01:42:08
paper with um that was like handwritten too like it was like typed and then hand written on
01:42:14
the margins and it was about the hanging of a woman in a swamp area she was in it she was
01:42:22
stripped pillowcase was put over her neck a noose around her neck he dressed her in some kind of like shroud he
01:42:29
literally tortured her terrorized her the description is horrific horrific there is so much descriptive awfulness
01:42:41
in this and it tells about like how he felt to tell us about like the sexual pleasure he derived from this it tells
01:42:47
about murdering her about mutilating her about dumping her remains there was also
01:42:51
a five-page handwritten uh letter and it basically talked about some unknown female who was wearing a white waitress
01:43:01
dress which we'll come back later in the area of a power line road which is a road that will also come back later
01:43:08
didn't say the date didn't say the time but talked about terrorizing her killing
01:43:13
her doing the same kind of thing there was also sketches involved in all of this and these sketches were what he had
01:43:20
drawn of women hanging being tortured being murdered being mutilated very vile very focused also all these
01:43:29
descriptions like I said before on what happens after you die urination defecation all the awful stuff
01:43:37
they also found an envelope that was addressed to Gerard Shafer and it was from a publication company because
01:43:44
remember when I told you before he used to pretend to be a research assistant to
01:43:48
try to get information yup this letter was postmarked May 15 to 1970 and it was a two-page letter and it said can't help
01:43:57
you with information you requested and the letter that was attached was one they had sent back to Schaefer and it
01:44:03
was him asking for information about women being executed and wearing waterproof underwear during executions
01:44:09
what the [ __ ] yeah there was another envelope addressed to him and it was from Victoria Australia
01:44:16
from 1971 and it contained 13 black and white photographs of nude women 11 of them appeared to be in the middle
01:44:25
of being hanged one was decapitated the [ __ ] is this world yeah it's horrific [ __ ] yeah uh in
01:44:34
May 1970s and there was more there was even there was hundreds of pages of handwritten what he did he said was
01:44:41
fictional stories that he had written about several abductions tortures mutilations murders
01:44:49
the most horrific [ __ ] you will ever read in your life Patrick Hendrick has a lot in the book but it's a lot now in
01:44:58
may 1973 he was solidly charged with first-degree murder in the cases of Susan place and Georgia Jessup because
01:45:05
after they found all that [ __ ] they were like well I think you did now that the trial was about to begin
01:45:10
these things were all over the news because of this two investigators started speaking to a lot of people who
01:45:18
suddenly felt like Gerard Shafer may have known their missing loved ones because now this is going everywhere and
01:45:23
they're like wait I might they might have been around that guy like I think I have a connection
01:45:28
here right and I have somebody who's missing a guy named Raymond Cummings was a guy who was friends with John Higgins
01:45:35
who was married briskelina's friend she was the one who Elsie and her were last seen with yeah now John Higgins and Ray
01:45:42
Cummings told investigators that they saw photos of Gerard Shaffer on the news and they said wait we know him but he
01:45:50
said but we know him as Gary Shepard Gary Shepard now oh yeah exactly like Jerry Shepard now Shepard had told these
01:45:59
guys that he was an ex-police officer and they told investigators that the reason Mary and Bob Wyatt who liked
01:46:05
whose car they were driving that night were not dating anymore was because when she went missing he was sure before that
01:46:12
that she was seeing Gary Shepard that something was going on between them so that that 100 tells you that they worked
01:46:19
like around each other she was like 13 right she was 14. 14. yeah they had been seen together on several occasions
01:46:27
several people identified a photo of Gerard Shaffer as Gary Shepard and now someone came forward to say that
01:46:35
Mary and Elsie were also last seen getting into a car with Gary Shepard oh no so 100 when all of this happened Mary
01:46:44
briskalina's family were asked to see if any of the belongings found in Schaefer's home and his mother's home
01:46:49
belonged to Mary they identified three pieces of very unique jewelry as belonging to her one was a Madonna and
01:46:58
cross medal another was a bracelet with 11 Rose beads on it and the third was a green glass pin and it was shaped by it
01:47:05
was either shaped like a dog or like a poodle or something like that okay it was just very unique yeah it's like
01:47:11
green glass right like not something everybody would have on them yeah he had her jewelry now Patrick Kendrick asked
01:47:17
investigators why they never bought these murder case cases against Gerard they were like okay well you clearly he
01:47:22
did this like you have all the information you need aside from a full-blown confession and so Patrick
01:47:28
Kendrick was like why did you not charge him and the police were basically like he was going to prison already so
01:47:37
oh yeah that's how that works he's already going to prison so he literally told Kendrick they believed he was the
01:47:44
Prime Suspect and that this evidence was damning to say the least but they were like
01:47:48
what the [ __ ] we had it I guess so there's that now a newspaper clipping telling of the girls of the missing
01:47:56
girls Lee Hayne abonities and Carmen Hallock were also found among his possessions just a newspaper clipping
01:48:02
about that oh yeah just that and there was also found in those belongings just to tie this back to other ones a story
01:48:11
about a woman named Carmen he had named the victim in his story Carmen in the story there's a woman wearing a
01:48:19
black dress and black heels which is what she was seen leaving in the evening that she went missing and those things
01:48:27
were not found in her home those pieces of clothing and he mentions something in
01:48:31
this story about auburn hair which she had and auburn hair is not like that's a very specific hair yeah and she had it
01:48:40
now this story about this particular person is brutal in a way I can't even describe to
01:48:47
you I can't even right nope cool definitely not because I couldn't even say these words out loud I could not
01:48:54
even say this story out loud the description of her assault torture rape murder and mutilation is unlike
01:49:00
anything your worst nightmares could conjure up no like I write horror this is something so beyond and so real
01:49:11
like this it is so reality and it's so horrific that I can't even begin to I can't even begin and Patrick Kendrick
01:49:21
has the entire thing of this particular story in the book I again could encourage you to read that
01:49:27
book because it's so fascinating and he did such hard work investigating this case but I just want to warn you that is
01:49:34
in there he gives you a warning in the book that it's coming so you're not just gonna stumble upon it yeah if that it's
01:49:41
really bad just to forewarn you but again read Patrick Hendrick's book no either way I don't want to scare anybody
01:49:47
away from reading it because again he gives you a warning but either way there's literally a story about a woman
01:49:52
named Carmen and a description of what she's wearing when the real Carmen Hallock went missing and the color of
01:49:57
her hair and he writes in this tale quote the lower jaw I buried and the rest of her skull with the face smashed
01:50:04
in and the teeth pulled out I put in another Canal some 10 miles from the rest of the body
01:50:10
two of the teeth found in his home were that of Carmen Hallock and he never got tried for her murder nope and they were
01:50:17
identified as belonging to Carmen halleck and he just found them somewhere isn't what they thought forensic Dental
01:50:24
professionals so these are identified as Carmen and she was mid like he talks about it in that story
01:50:32
like I just don't understand how they could not why they wouldn't do that if this doesn't prove it a man named John
01:50:40
Dolan came forward to say that he had actually been Gerard Shafer's roommate at one time and John Dolan said he John
01:50:48
Dolan had dated Carmen at one point so he goes Gerard definitely knew her she was coming back to our house he had seen
01:50:55
her he had talked to her right he knew who she was they also knew each other because of the Broward Junior College
01:51:00
thing like there was so many connections between this and they're like yeah I don't know yes her teeth are just in his
01:51:06
mouth I don't know he's so crazy he's saying he just wrote a story and it's like what the [ __ ] her teeth are in his
01:51:12
home Carmen was never found Carmen was never found and in this story he talks about how he like made sure she would
01:51:20
never be found why do you think he went to such lengths to make sure she was specific I don't know I don't know
01:51:26
because she maybe because she was one of the first ones yeah she was an early one
01:51:30
okay like way she was with Lee like that that was one of the really early ones in
01:51:35
6970 that he was I think starting out and was Lee found Lee was she eventually is found okay
01:51:43
not only that but they also found jewelry in his possession that was identified as having belonged to Lee wow
01:51:49
her family confirmed it was a swimming Club Pin a Disney pin and a gold locket with the name Lee
01:51:57
inscribed on it oh my god dude there was also a story another horrifically graphic one that described the torture
01:52:05
and murder of a woman like I said before in a white waitress uniform oh that's what Lee was wearing the day she
01:52:13
disappeared the story she was literally supposed to be at work and was wearing a
01:52:17
white waitress uniform the story mentioned that this woman was tortured and killed off Power Line Road
01:52:23
well in 1978 later a group of men hunting found the top half of a woman of a human skull off
01:52:31
Power Line Road the top half the skull had three large bullet holes in it and was later identified as that of Lee Hain
01:52:38
line that's awful that would be one hell of a coincidence I would say so and also
01:52:43
you heard that right the top half of a spell which turns out to be part of his thing is he cuts the skull in half how
01:52:53
he is unlike anything you've ever seen they found several of Colette good enough's
01:53:00
handwritten and signed poems in this search as well no and they also found an ID card with the name collect good
01:53:07
enough to enter treatment at an emotional health center she was attending because like I said she had
01:53:13
been entering professional treatment they found an ID card from one with her name on it they also found her literal
01:53:19
birth certificate they found her passport and other identifications with her name and information on them in his
01:53:25
home in his home later in 1977 a truck driver found two entangled skeletons while walking along
01:53:34
a canal in St Lucie Florida the arms of the skeletons were tied together and to each other with baling wire which is
01:53:41
like really gnarly like silver Wire yeah and the tops of the skulls had both been
01:53:47
cut off okay just likely it took a long time but forensic Dental experts identified the skeletons of those of
01:53:54
Colette good enough and Barbara Wilcox in 1981 that canal in St Lucie where they were found dried up and someone
01:54:01
found the top of Barbara wilcox's skull there Colette's top of her skull has never been found why right
01:54:09
it's like in one of the stories which was handwritten he also says that whoever his like he calls his bad guy
01:54:17
the ghoul okay he's so [ __ ] stupid the ghoul and he talks about how he used to use pliers
01:54:25
and he would pull out gold fillings they found a [ __ ] ton of gold fillings in his possession and he always and he
01:54:34
says something in his writings that like we always Salvage something from the bodies and he talked about gold fillings
01:54:40
again they found so many of them like it is very clear that this is not fiction no it is reality he's living it like
01:54:47
it's stuff in his house they also found envelopes with the name Jerry Shepard on
01:54:52
them in his position what more did they want though yeah come on and it also became clear that he was
01:55:01
not like another serial killer that they could point to like this was a very we he was so beyond anything his
01:55:09
pre-elections were so specific and so [ __ ] vile he was obsessed with torture he was obsessed
01:55:17
with humiliation and causing Terror in his victims and he also sexualized defecation and urination so he would
01:55:23
force his victims to drink a lot so that they would urinate while he hung them ew
01:55:29
he also loved to dismember and mutilate and he was a necrophiliac oh it was just
01:55:34
a storm of the worship everything in one person shaped evil cloud of swamp gas like that's what he was he's a
01:55:42
person-shaped evil cloud of swamp gas yeah that's what he is and he had the benefit of wearing
01:55:49
a [ __ ] police uniform while doing it that's insane so people trusted him now during the murder trial Schaefer
01:55:56
literally smiled like he was posing for photos like like the victims was mothers
01:56:02
and fathers took the stand and he would lock eyes with them and smile like cheese what a [ __ ] dick vile creature
01:56:09
is what he is a lot happened during the trial like Schaefer's friend calling in a bomb threat to move the trial yeah I
01:56:17
have to go read the book um but something came out about Georgia Jessup and Susan place's crime scene
01:56:24
that was also pretty wild and unexplained Patrick Duvall from the St Lucie County
01:56:29
Sheriff's Office was on scene the day that they found those bodies and he was cross-examined on the stand and during
01:56:36
this he talked about how horrific that scene really was and he said he found both the girls scalps in different
01:56:43
places and the tree was clearly used as a method of more torture and murder excuse me what he said there was a bunch
01:56:51
of chop marks in the tree on the bottom and there were pieces of cloth from the girls dresses in the chop marks oh my
01:56:58
God yeah he also mentioned that the initials G J were carved into the tree and they were done recently he said it
01:57:06
hadn't healed over yet and Patrick Kendrick explains in his book that people either think that
01:57:12
Gerard John Schaefer went back to the crime scene and did this like GJ got interrupted her just didn't finish his
01:57:19
initials or that Georgia Jessup carved her initials into that tree to be identical while watching her friend
01:57:27
being massacred because she may have done this so she could be identified later and that's which who sorry uh oh
01:57:34
no I was no you go ahead that's the thing too with how he picks two people is one of them has to sit there and
01:57:40
watch the other one and know what's gonna happen to them and they said that was 100 part of it absolutely he would
01:57:46
pick two women because he wanted one of them to watch the other one that is and and just we can't even fathom what
01:57:54
possibly happened out there you can't even rap and none of us should none of us should ever fathom what happened
01:57:59
there that the the cloth from their dresses was in the tree like yep he's just like
01:58:07
hacking away yeah he's so beyond an animal or like he's just he's undescribed I was going to say
01:58:15
that's not even enough he really is and during the murder trial for Susan well or excuse me for Susan place and Georgia
01:58:24
Jessup Nancy Trotter and sue Wells took the stand again wow during the murder trial like two badasses and testified
01:58:33
about their ordeal with Gerard Shafer meanwhile his lawyers were trying to paint these two survivors as runaways
01:58:40
and basically saying they were being taught a lesson and he just got carried away oh yeah taught a lesson have you
01:58:45
ever been taught a lesson like that and they're like okay yeah like sure at that
01:58:50
point I'd be like do you want to learn the same lesson why don't we have him take you out there too is that a lesson
01:58:54
you want to learn you can figure out the lesson that I learned yeah oh my tell me
01:58:58
what I learned having they sit there and hear that and to sit there and be like yeah okay yeah it was just a lesson yeah
01:59:04
thank you for that and you know you know some of these men truly believe that oh
01:59:08
absolutely truly believe he was teaching in the lessons and it's like [ __ ] you
01:59:13
right so the state brought up Dr Joseph Davis the Dade County medical exam to explain the findings of the finding of
01:59:20
the bodies in the picture painted from him was even worse he said both heads were missing and there was evidence that
01:59:27
a sharp instrument was used to cut them off one of them had cuts into the fourth
01:59:31
cervical vertebrae so he'd cut directly through it's and he went into like detail about
01:59:37
the crime scenes and about how like there's an interview in the book about this that like they go back and forth
01:59:43
like the cross-examination and how he's like the the attorney was trying to be like so this couldn't be self-inflicted
01:59:49
and he was like no I do not think that they cut their own heads off no thank you for asking though like he's
01:59:54
literally are you [ __ ] kidding me the whole time now September 27 1973 that is the exact day
02:00:03
that they were taken from their house oh wow like a year to the day he was found guilty of first-degree
02:00:10
murder for the deaths of both Susan place and Georgia Jessup you know that reincarnation is real Georgia because
02:00:17
Georgia did because Georgia did that 100 that's what I was thinking the date again the exact day yeah now October 4th
02:00:27
on what would have been Susan place's 19th birthday he was sentenced to two concurrent life sentences bye like on
02:00:35
Susan place's 19th birthday yeah that come on that's some spiritual [ __ ] right
02:00:40
there now he was smiling and chatting with reporters outside the courtroom he told them he had written something on
02:00:47
the prison cell wall in the courtroom in the courthouse where they kept him and what they found out it said was this is
02:00:53
the land of lost content I see it shining plain the happy highways where I went and cannot go again
02:00:59
and I did not look it up I wanted to see if you knew what that was from can you say it one more time I'm sorry this is
02:01:05
the land of lost content I see it shining plain the happy highways where I went and cannot go again
02:01:11
it does sound doesn't it sound familiar I was hoping that you would get it but I
02:01:15
don't know what it is I'm gonna look it up right now I just wanted to see if you
02:01:18
would know what it was no it sounds very familiar I feel like I'm gonna be pissed
02:01:21
when you when we figure it out okay I looked it up and it is a poem by A.E houseman
02:01:29
and it is called a Shropshire lad XL I don't know why this sounded familiar it sounded very familiar but maybe I
02:01:38
maybe we read it in like something I don't know like high school but basically the analysis of it is that I
02:01:44
mean the analysis of this act that he did was to seem like he is intelligent and deep in any way but he is not uh but
02:01:52
it's basically like that whole little stanza is that like I'm looking back with nostalgically at like what I once
02:02:00
had and where I once lived but I can't go back there right so it's like so it's like you did I don't know why I said so
02:02:07
it's like twice I recognized it as soon as the second one came off but it's basically him being like
02:02:13
I murdered a bunch of people and did all these horrible things so I can't go back
02:02:18
to that life I once had where I was a police officer and I was this and I was that I can't go back to that that land
02:02:24
of being free to abduct teenage girls and murder them because now I have to face this yeah exactly that's what that
02:02:30
says to me like I can't go back to that life yeah killing and which to me isn't caught
02:02:35
pretty confessional to me one might say pretty confessional but to him I think he thinks it's like deep kind of a
02:02:43
confession but not really and it's also like him being like I just love poetry guys I bet and it's
02:02:48
like you're you're a [ __ ] idiot No One Believes you read poetry get out of here I wonder if one of the girls showed
02:02:53
him that poem I'm sorry who did you say loved poet Colette I wonder showed him that Paul I wondered that too but wrote
02:03:00
poetry alone or maybe even had a book of poetry with her and he read it in there
02:03:03
it's true it definitely could have been that because he was also a creative writing like major at one point like he
02:03:09
didn't enjoy it but I think maybe they but that's not a not a bad uh point that like Colette probably because she was
02:03:17
known to be like a poetry girl right she wrote it she read it she always had it with her right so that would be
02:03:23
something and that's an obscure one it feels like yeah it feels like something that maybe she would have brought up
02:03:27
yeah which I think is another like he's doing another needle at the parents basically
02:03:34
um now remember at this time he's still married by the way I don't know if we all forgot that the
02:03:43
way that you just dropped a [ __ ] bomb I thought he got divorced he got divorced from his first
02:03:49
wife Martha he's still married to that girl he met at the grocery store oh [ __ ]
02:03:56
he is still married didn't have kids but he's still married because this all happened in the span of
02:04:02
not that long of time it's only a couple years that poor woman so this woman is still his wife still married to him
02:04:12
watching all this oh my God yeah I can't imagine oh yeah and we're gonna get back
02:04:18
to her in a second because something happens okay so Susan places mother Lucille said after the verdict quote
02:04:25
I'll never accept the fact that Susan has been murdered or that she's dead I cry every day how she must have suffered
02:04:31
if I only knew right now that her death for her was quick but who knows what he did to her and she also said she was
02:04:37
happy with the sentencing she said quote at first I thought I would like to see him dead but I think people suffer more
02:04:43
with confinement which I agree no now his writings were a pivotal part of convicting him it was introduced as
02:04:51
evidence he wrote what happened word for word some of the names of his writings by the way into the mind of the ghoul
02:04:59
flies in her eyes oh my God blonde on a stick and [ __ ] what to do about them oh yeah I want to castrate him and in
02:05:10
1991 in an interview he was asked about his writings and he goes on this long rant you can look it up on like Google
02:05:16
his interviews they're wild to watch can I ask if he's still alive uh he's not okay and don't worry that's it's a good
02:05:23
ending it's a good end uh but he went on like so he's asked about the writings and he goes on this long rant about how
02:05:30
they're just fantasy and other horror writers don't get blamed for doing the things they write but I think that's
02:05:36
because they don't have teeth in their house Gerard I think that's why yeah I think that's why I would say so I
02:05:45
would say which I was like I was waiting for the interviewer to be like I don't I
02:05:48
think that's because they don't have body parts in their house yeah that are connected to actual murderers and
02:05:54
jewelry belonging to murder victims like he literally acts like they're in at one
02:05:59
point he acts like the interviewer is just begging him to read these out loud because he keeps saying well you'll just
02:06:05
use it like a confession if I read it out loud and the guy's like you really don't have to it's fine like I'm like I
02:06:10
don't I'm honestly not asking you to and then he goes with absolutely no pushing
02:06:14
he goes you want me to read it okay I'll read it I'll read it out loud and the guy's like uh okay I want you to read it
02:06:19
sir and he goes I'll just he goes I'll just trust you to do the right thing so he was like you're gonna use a snippet
02:06:25
of this as a confession and then he's like all right I'll read it I want to read it out loud because it's like what
02:06:30
because you are that narcissistic and you're that like yes desperate for anybody to give you any attention that
02:06:37
you're like all right I'll just read it aloud I guess what the [ __ ] you wanted
02:06:41
to read it so badly out loud and he's cheesing while he's reading these vile things out loud
02:06:47
he can barely contain himself and he says he is better than Stephen King I beg to differ to which I say no you're
02:06:55
not Hey sir and he's just being he says I'm just being convicted because I wrote
02:07:00
horror and he says and I was exceptional at it that's why I'm being convicted because I am an exceptional writer
02:07:07
that's why to which I say no it was the teeth I think it would partly it was the
02:07:12
teeth I found in your house teeth and I think it was the birth certificate of a murder victim in the jewelry of a murder
02:07:18
victim the several witnesses seeing you with murder victims the stained pillowcases that you wrote about in your
02:07:24
writing the machetes the weapons probably all that the fact that you freely admitted and were convicted of
02:07:30
bringing two girls under the same circumstances to the same place where other murder victims were found and
02:07:36
trying to kill them based off of the titles of your writings I don't necessarily think you're a prolific
02:07:42
writer nope don't think so into the mind of the ghoul blonde on a stick a horrific yeah I don't think so now it
02:07:50
has been speculated a lot how many murders he's truly responsible for I mean because it's definitely more oh
02:07:55
yeah because around this time too there's a lot of hitchhikers a lot of runaways and unfortunately he had that
02:08:02
women are you know that Madonna horror complex and he wanted to he his whole thing was I want to rid the world of
02:08:08
these [ __ ] that's what I want to do and if he thought you were away from his like his value system then he was going
02:08:16
to rid the world of you and did he say what his value system was well he goes back and forth with it because he's a
02:08:21
bullshitter because he's so he just wanted to kill people yeah exactly women but you know there were some like sex
02:08:27
workers there were some people traveling through runaways people who didn't have
02:08:31
families who didn't report them missing right that were definitely on his list absolutely and just the fact that there
02:08:37
were people that we know he killed that were never found yeah exactly we know he's capable of hiding a body oh yeah
02:08:42
unfortunately very well absolutely so district attorney Robert Stone actually had the list at 34. he believes he is at
02:08:49
least 34. wow now he actually wrote in a letter because he was writing to his ex-girlfriend Sandra London there for a
02:08:58
while out of prison we'll get to her in a second he wrote as you know and this was in 1991 he said I've always harped
02:09:06
on district attorney Robert Stone's list of 34. in 1973 I sat down and Drew up a
02:09:11
list of my own now remember he's claiming he's never murdered anyone right but now he's writing a list as I
02:09:18
recall my list was just over 80. I'm sure so yeah so then he went on and said I'm not claiming a huge number I
02:09:26
would say it runs between 80 and 110. but I thought you didn't kill anybody yeah but over eight years in three
02:09:31
continents what please and this is really horrific and I just want to warn you right now trigger warning this is
02:09:37
just like a really gross thing to say he said one [ __ ] drowned in her own vomit
02:09:42
while watching me disembowel her girlfriend I'm not sure that counts as a valid kill did the pregnant ones count
02:09:48
as two kills it gets confusing [ __ ] off that's what he wrote and then he tried to say that's horrific I didn't
02:09:56
kill anyone what are you talking about he's he's also I like he did absolutely 100 kill
02:10:01
these people he is writing this [ __ ] for shock exactly exactly he 100 killed more people and
02:10:09
he's a bio sadistic monster of unbelievable proportions but I also think he's a little [ __ ] and he likes
02:10:17
to scare people that's part of his thing that's part of what he would do to these
02:10:21
women was Terror he inflicted Terror on them he likes to do it to people when he's in prison he likes to do it to
02:10:27
people anytime he can yeah so it's one of those things I just like to write it's like Albert Fish yep I just like to
02:10:33
write this [ __ ] because I get off on it exactly he's reliving it he's this is what I would have done yeah and then I
02:10:40
watched another interview with him and he said I know a lot of serial killers in here remember he was in prison in
02:10:45
Florida so in the 70s so he did he said I know a lot of serial killers in here and none of them deny it
02:10:52
um yeah most of them do actually like a lot of them deny it yeah most of them do
02:10:57
like Ted Bundy was like I didn't do that he actually tried to prove his own case
02:11:00
if you remember but in the same interview he says the latest Donald Evans you can't shut him up Donald Evans
02:11:06
was convicted of killing at least three people between 85 and 91. and unfortunately he's right about that the
02:11:12
guy confessed like a billion times even to people at rest stops like he couldn't
02:11:16
stop confessing wow but it's like no that you just pulled one that's like a weird one that just like liked
02:11:21
confessing to people right and then he says in this interview he was like flexing that he like talked to other
02:11:28
serial killers and I was like are you all right sir he's like this is a club he said in this interview oddest tool I
02:11:33
talked to him this morning cool oh cool it's because you're locked in a [ __ ] cage with him because
02:11:38
you're a goddamn evil creature from the depths of the bowels of Hell's ass like that's that's not cool that you're like
02:11:46
oh I talked to him this morning yeah you're locked in the same cage you idiot of course you're gonna see you I'm
02:11:51
jealous like you're dumb you both got caught and he said he goes oddest doesn't deny
02:11:57
anything he says Henry Lee Lucas is lying he says we killed over 100 people together and he's trying to say we
02:12:02
didn't so we're so we're just believing on this tool now like we've picked oddest tool
02:12:08
as the Haven of truth and the Unholy Duo of the oddest tool and Henry Lee Lucas we're really just looking at him as like
02:12:15
what is that he did yeah yeah well all this said honest okay yeah totally for sure between the two of them I'm good we
02:12:23
haven't covered them yet but are we going to just you waiting it's gonna be bad but okay Gerard we get it you're in
02:12:30
prison in Florida you're gonna be meet some bad guys so less than two months after the trial
02:12:36
this is where we get back to his wife oh okay yeah what's up two months after the
02:12:40
trial no his lawyer his defense attorney Elton Schwartz and Gerard's wife Teresa
02:12:46
got married she divorced Schaefer for this man he married like she married the man that was
02:12:58
defending her husband against murder his attorney married the wife of the man he was defending against
02:13:07
what what yes what yes two months after the trial Teresa his wife who he was still married
02:13:17
to married his defense attorney what I said I found one an article from 1990 where he was requesting a new trial
02:13:28
because his defense attorney was just getting he says my defense attorney was just getting me put in jail in order to
02:13:34
marry my wife I mean that which would be valid yeah it would be valid if it was anyone else obviously this guy's a
02:13:40
raging murderous disgusting monster and deserves to have his attorney I like his
02:13:43
wife but like that's a conflict of interesting Schwartz what the [ __ ] were you doing you just gave him all the
02:13:51
leverage in the world to claim that he didn't get a fair trial because you wanted him in jail so you could marry
02:13:56
his wife what the [ __ ] what the [ __ ] is wrong with you love makes you do crazy
02:14:01
things sure does like make this guy look like he has a valid point what the [ __ ]
02:14:06
blew my goddamn mind I don't even know if yeah I'm fried here over here like what
02:14:12
the [ __ ] I'm just like in this same year that this happened his former girlfriend
02:14:20
Sandra London published self-published excuse me no one was actually going to publish this a collection of his stories
02:14:26
she got she published them yeah we have to stop here because I'm actually physically mentally emotionally uh
02:14:35
financially just done it is called killer fiction and I hate it why did she [ __ ] do that why would you ever do
02:14:42
that why would she do that the issue here too is these are not only his sick [ __ ] thoughts this is what he's
02:14:47
legitimate confessions just veiled as fiction they're thinly veiled too and he just wants to tell everyone what
02:14:55
he did without getting in trouble for it that's all this was and I'm sorry so is
02:14:59
this the same woman that married his defense attorney no this is Sandra London his former girlfriend from high
02:15:04
school what yep and she also got involved with other serial killers I have to like into
02:15:09
this thing you oh okay yeah yeah okay but she also in later she was like oh yeah no I don't want anything to do with
02:15:16
them but I'm like you published his story why did you do that why would you put his stories out for the world to see
02:15:21
did she ever say why she did that she just her interviews are wild you need to find her on there too because
02:15:28
this is him feel it's another way for him to be powerful and for him to make people read what he has actually done
02:15:36
right and even like for the families to know that those books are out there and even though that book is out there even
02:15:43
some of the inmates who are in there with him who are actual serial killers said they couldn't even read his
02:15:48
writings they didn't even want him to read them out loud because they were like that's too much yeah he would also
02:15:54
for a while Sue anyone who mentioned him in anything every author who mentioned him in a true crime book he would sue
02:16:01
them drag them into court it would get dropped but they would have to pay legal fees and all his [ __ ] would be covered
02:16:07
what the [ __ ] he even sued someone who referred to him as overweight he sued them for referring to him as overweight
02:16:13
like you could medically just like figure that out yep he also claimed that his writing was fiction he was innocent
02:16:19
but he said they were writing about me like I really did this and it's like you are in prison for murder you've been
02:16:24
convicted you are in prison there's no smear campaign going on Sir you're literally a convicted murderer and he
02:16:30
would say I never killed anyone but I am also the most prolific serial killer in
02:16:34
history he was a born-again Christian or he claimed to be one but again he was a
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bullshitter of the highest order he was also a snitch in prison he would pretend
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to help other inmates with legal stuff claiming that it was because he was in law enforcement he could do this and
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then he would turn around and sell them all out and tell everything that they had told them you and like where did you
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think you were gonna get with that he claimed that he had an accomplice at one point named Tony and that Tony was the
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one who planted those teeth in his house and like framed him totally dude yeah and this is a letter that he wrote to
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his ex-girlfriend Sandra London while in prison so again he's claiming he hasn't
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killed anybody but then saying he also has killed everybody he said and this is how this is where he he's his head's at
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I'm probably at least one of the top serial killers of the century I thought you didn't kill anyone yeah I'm
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certainly one of the most interesting and maybe the most articulate and introspective
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I'm no doubt the most skillful killer I killed women in all ways from shooting strangling stabbing and beheading to odd
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ways such as drowning smothering and crucifixion one I whipped to death with a strap
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another I beat to jelly with a baseball bat while hanging her by her wrist oh my
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God one drowned in her own vomit while watching me disembowel her girlfriend so he claimed that again which is a little
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scary yeah I think that definitely happened I've crucified women watched the Flies work on living flesh and seem
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gagged women strangled to death on their own vomitus I've skinned women I enjoyed
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each and every experience oh that's what he had to say this is the thing why is that letter allowed to
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leave prison I never understand that [ __ ] thank you because that's what I don't understand either [ __ ] how was she
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able to get this like no that doesn't need to leave Prison Walls because they're being read these these letters
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are being read before they go out why are you being like [ __ ] no you can't write this [ __ ] there must be like some
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kind of something or something but like I don't really think it should apply he lodged over 20 appeals they obviously
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all failed she's like stop wasting everyone's time and just shut up and die in there oh yeah now
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British criminologist Colin Wilson wrote about him and I thought it was a really
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great way to describe him he said Gerard John Schaefer was undoubtedly one of the
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nastiest serial killers of the 20th century Schaefer suffers from a kind of halitosis of the soul and the stench
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quickly induces disgust halitosis of the halitosis of the soul is a brilliant way
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to describe him that's pretty rad now December 3rd 1995 when he was 49 years old hit me up hit him up Gerard John
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Shafer was murdered in prison by fellow inmate Vincent Rivera his cell door was left open oh weirdly how how'd that
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happen I wonder how he was stabbed over 40 times his throat was cut ear to ear and both of his eyes were gouged out
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deserved yeah this man deserved to have the worst done to him yeah I will say that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
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fine with that one bye oh yeah oh no absolutely I'm absolutely fine with that I'm actually just like not saying yeah
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in June 2022 a Jane Doe from 1972 was identified as 15 year old Susan Gale Poole she had
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gone missing Before Christmas in 1972 and her skeletal remains were found June 1974. she was found tied to a mangrove
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tree with wire now they are pretty sure she is one of the victims of Gerard John Shafer wow
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and she was finally identified this year I'm happy that Susie her family was very
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happy that she was identified and they are hoping to know what happened to her oh God and they believed to find out
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what happened and now he's dead so it's hard to to really find out for sure now right but it was interesting that in
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June 2022 this is still unfolding wow and that is the story of Gerard John Shafer
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coming like a pretty chill two hours and I can't see that far 15 minutes I think
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how do you see that far again I was gonna cut this in two but I was like I don't know where to cut that yeah yeah I
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don't even want to cut it in a weird spot just to cut it yeah no I know sometimes you need a long episode
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sometimes hey maybe you're going away because people drive a lot of places you know like or you can just digest this
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over a few days maybe you have so much laundry to do so much laundry so many dishes so much time that was a terrible
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one yeah I'm glad it's over I'm glad it's out of my system and into yours now I'm sorry about that give someone a hug
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give someone a hug I don't even care if you like hugs I don't even like them go give somebody a hug uh this guy sucked
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uh in every way than any human I've ever saw Batman put it perfectly halitosis of
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the Soul halitosis of the soul that reminds me here's a little palette cleanser for you you know that book
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halitosis that I used to read to the girls during TT bedtime yeah it's a good book that was also the ex-girlfriend of
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Salem saberhagen on Sabrina the Teenage Witch was halitosis oh my God I forgot about that Yep this [ __ ] can connect
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anything to Sabrina the Teenage Witch and I will and I think that's where we should end this I think it is but again
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guys go read that book by uh Patrick Kendrick the American Ripper and I will I will tag it in here there's also
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um there's a I mean there's a ton of articles on the internet about this guy and there's a ton of newspaper articles
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you can read on newspapers.com because I love that that site so much I [ __ ] love newspapers.com but honestly like
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Kendrick did an amazing job and go listen to those other podcasts I didn't listen to all of them but I'm going to
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now um but I I listened to part of the notorious podcasts where they interviewed him and it was really
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fascinating I've been meaning to listen to that show really well done yeah I've heard really great things I'll link that
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in here check it out I'm gonna start listening to that so there you go and buy that book halitosis for your kids
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they're not a dog with bad breath saving the family there you go and watch the Sabrina the Teenage Witch elf um episode
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with halitosis the ex-girlfriend and we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird I'm literally never gonna
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tell you not to give it as weird as Drive Shaffer because if I have to tell you that you should probably not be
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walking this Earthly Planet nah love you bye bye listen to that thunder thunder foreign
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