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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid [Music] this is morbid and I am looking at
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audible books I thought you were going to say this is morbid and I'm Elena and I was gonna be like girl we did no we
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did that already we did the intro now I'm just looking at audible books oh what were you what were you looking at I
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think I'm gonna get Salem's lot because I just want to hear it that's Stephen King and Mikey was just listening to it
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on Audible and I was like oh huh I've read it I just want to hear it now that's cool does uh does he narrate it
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uh yeah this is one of those ads that like you stick into a show no it's literally talking about it oh he
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narrates part of it oh that's cool yeah the beginning of it sounds like like he's like the beginning the beginning
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you should listen to um Cemetery because you know who does that who Michael shut up
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Dexter oh I was like I will listen to that all right I'm on a Stephen King binge recently yeah you've been
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listening to the writing yeah his writing on writing he has a very soothing voice because it's been in the
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car a few times when I've been like driving around yeah I like listening to him you know but that's where I am
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I don't really know where I am right now I'm ain't that the truth for all of us we got some we got some crystals in here
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that are like helping with the energy but I think what I think why are you laughing at me I think that they're
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sucking my energy a little bit like not in a bad way you know you know what I'm saying Crystal gurlies oh the boys yeah
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there's Crystal girlies and boys that are saying yes yes I feel that I hear you I hear you Crystal girls gaze and
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Lace there you go I love you guys okay well do we have any like anything going on no
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um do you what do you have I have the paperback version of my book coming out July 26th I would say that's something
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going on go go pre-order it it's fun paperbacks are great you can stick them in your bag and they're you can flop
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flip flop them around yeah who doesn't love the flip-flop and it's got like a fun little insert in it and what it has
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the first well a chapter of the sequel in it when I got to actually picked that yeah I like I gave
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my advice a little bit Yeah so it's got a chapter of the sequel in it that's cool so that's pretty awesome and it
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comes out July 26th and we'll be in New York the day that it comes out doing like a fun little chat right a little
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Event Event um I don't even know what we're doing I just I'm just like yeah I'll be there we're just chatting about
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the book yeah just like by ourselves I can do that yeah by ourselves no I'm just kidding oh I was trying to make it
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seem like we were just gonna be like hanging out talking about the book and New York happened to be there just five
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yeah but no it's an event uh but you're funny but paperback book yeah this is a chapter of the new one and the new one
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will be coming out in the near future hello I've gotten to read a few rounds because I'm awesome and because this is
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awesome it makes me think of my friend Marissa if you're listening hi I love you
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um and it's it's really [ __ ] good it's also really creepy and randomly the other day Elena just sat next to me on
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the couch and was like can I try something on you and I was like probably not and then she she essentially was
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like What if I did this and like manipulated my hand in a weird way I just wanted to be able to describe
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something in an accurate way so I decided to do it to Ash it's me your personal you'll find out once the book
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is out I'll tell you what scene it was that I just cast your vote what did she do to ash.com
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oh God what a weird website that would be yeah actually I don't know why you just gave the world that website I don't
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know about that website.com that's a scary one right I don't like it came from your head it's like a Mean
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Girls but he's like that's a scary mask that's a scary mask bro that's a scary mask well it kind of works out that
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we're in a silly giving man because I have a haunting today a haunting The Haunting of one Bobby Mackey's Music
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World whoa whoa everybody's like are you guys on drugs today no but it's a crazy day
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crazy um so I'm just gonna start at the beginning does that sound good to you that's always an awesome place to start
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fantastic this is a fun story and it's also a scary story and there's also some parts that are not fun awesome I love
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all that way heavier on the scary oh so we're going to start by talking about Bobby Mackey uh he opened Bobby Mackey's
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Music World in 1978 and when country singer Bobby Mackey opened the nightclub that he named after himself his main
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goal was basically just to make it like a tight-knit small little nightclub where people would come hang out Vibe
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Dance just enjoy some country music just like quaint goals quaint goals but by 1978 he had spent more than 12 years
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traveling around the country either with his own country western band or as an employee with the railroad and at that
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point he was like very very ready to settle down after those 12 years he had been born and raised in a super
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small town conquered Kentucky the latest population is literally 19. whoa as of 2022. I looked it up the
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other day and its latest population again for the people in the back is 19 19. that's not even old enough to drink
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nope nope not at Bobby mackie's but so he he was from that small town and he was kind of ready to get back to that
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small town lifestyle after all the traveling and everything um and there was like a few reasons for
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that sudden urge to settle aside from the you know traveling over more than a decade he was now married and his wife
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Janet was actually pregnant and like I said he really wanted to open his own nightclub he told producers from
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Discovery Channel it was either moved to Nashville or get my own place oh but it
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turned out he didn't have to look too far from home to find the perfect spot for his new club because a couple years
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early year an Old Road House on Route 9 in Wilder Kentucky closed down and as it
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turned out it had actually previously been used as a nightclub so it was already set up for you know look at that
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nightclub a nightclub yeah they will it was set up pretty perfectly but or at the very least it was a good start so
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Bobby told reporters in my mind's eye I could see it all I could see the crowd I
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could see people dancing so there was nothing going to stop me I had to have the place I had to have it but like
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apparently Bobby didn't see and couldn't sense that the place was totally and completely haunted oh haunted as [ __ ]
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so the property which actually still sits and is like open at 44 licking Pike it has had a very long and very legendy
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history that started way before it was a nightclub a Roadhouse or really anything
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when it was first purchased it was actually home to a slaughterhouse and a meat packing plant that'll do it in what
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was known at the time as Finch Town it wasn't even Wilder yet oh now the plant was built in 1850 so that's how far
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we're going back and it closed a few decades later but something about it like something about the property kept
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people in town talking even years after it had closed a lot of people felt like the area was either haunted or used by
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their local Satan worshiper slash occultist oh my favorite thing ever because duh yeah of course and they
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figured that these groups of people would find it a great spot to use for their rituals because there actually
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really was a well that had been built back when it was a slaughterhouse um like back when this slaughterhouse
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was running that collected all the animal fluids specifically the blood oh and not well
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in the Legends surrounding it would later play a huge part in actually a murder the night the 1896 murder of one
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Pearl Brian oh this is a real story oh damn and this is really sad in 1896 1896. Pearl was a 22 year old girl from
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Indiana and late in January of 1896 she told her parents that she'd gotten a telegram from a family friend in
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Indianapolis I can never say that Indianapolis I'm not going to try again because you did
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it but so she got that telegram from that place and these family friends asked her to come visit and she was like
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hell yeah sounds awesome so she set off on her trip and just sadly days later on February 1st her
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body was found decapitated oh my God in a large field less than 600 yards from Fort St Thomas
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and very close by to the abandoned slaughterhouse oh so the coroner determined that Pearl had actually been
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drugged with cocaine just prior to her death and the cause of death was obviously the decapitation oh God and
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they believed that she had been killed where her body was discovered in that field
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unfortunately the coroner also said that Pearl would have been alive when the decapitation started yes oh
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so 1896 investigators started trying to put the pieces of the case together and they found out that the last time Pearl
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had been seen alive was on the evening of January 31st and she was spotted with two men Scott Jackson and Alonso Walling
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now the last time the three of the of the three of them excuse me were spotted was in a cab from Cincinnati that was
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headed back in the direction of Fort Thomas oh no where she was found now the detectives are pretty sure that these
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two guys had something to do with Pearl's murder and they were right on the right track when Scott Jackson was
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arrested he told the police that he and pearl had secretly been in a relationship for the past several months
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and that recently he had found out that she was pregnant and he was not exactly pleased about this
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I just want to put a trigger warning here because this is going to be a little bit tough going forward just for
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this one section just to trigger warning for loss of pregnancy slash miscarriage
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stuff thanks you're welcome so he he was like I said not happy that she was pregnant and suggested that
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Pearl tried to induce her own miscarriage by drinking I think is it ergot or God yeah which is a fungus and
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Rye mixed together that's what they tried to blame the Salem Witch Trials on oh [ __ ] you're right I forgot about that
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um so she obviously refused this because she was like I'm not gonna do that um and she said she refused it multiple
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times like he kept being like no this is what you need to do like we're not having a baby you need to drink this and
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she's like no no she gets to decide their friend yeah her body her choice yeah and it's like you don't have to be
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a part of this baby's life bye see ya never so she kept refusing cup refusing and
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finally he sent her himself to Cincinnati to have an abortion performed now from the story it sounds like she
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either didn't go or did but didn't go through with the abortion okay so on the night of January 31st Scott and Alonso
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there invited Pearl out and they slipped cocaine into her drink hoping that that
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would cause a miscarriage oh my God two [ __ ] [ __ ] now that didn't seem to work as far as they were concerned which
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I was like how would you really I was just gonna say but they didn't give it any time and they decided their only
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option left now would be to murder Pearl and the unborn baby now the reason that they wanted to
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decapitate her was because they believed that she wouldn't be able to be identified without her head
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which like I know it's 1896 and like obviously you know certain things aren't available but like wow okay wow and
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that's just [ __ ] up it's super [ __ ] up and if like you loved this girl enough to have a relationship with her
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by God to get her pregnant like Jesus seriously so once they killed her they dumped her body in that field outside of
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Fort Thomas but when it came down to it they both ended up giving different stories about what had happened to
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Pearl's head what they had done with it one of them said that they threw it into
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a reservoir on their way back to Cincinnati come on can you imagine which I don't think is what happened and the
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other one said that they had buried her head in a sandbar near Dayton now it doesn't seem like either of those two
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stories are the case but they never found Pearl's head she had to be buried without her head and kidding me
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detectives believed and suspected that they had probably destroyed her head and an incinerator because Scott Jackson was
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a student at a dental school and had access to that incinerator holy [ __ ] [ __ ] up that's wild so they ended up
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being executed obviously for pearls Pearl's murder on March 20th 1897 and you would think that that would put an
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end to the story but people still were talking about the mystery surrounding the case ever since eventually the talk
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of the case would slow down but for a while people were heavily focused on this yeah this is huge right
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so Scott Alonso and pearl have all been worked into the Legends and the stories surrounding the abandoned slaughterhouse
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and then everything else it would come to be now some Legends claim that they were satanists and that Pearl had been
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murdered during a ritual ritual sacrifice and those Legends say that the reason Pearl's head was never found was
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because it was thrown into The Well of the slaughterhouse which was like super super deep yeah
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but by the 1920s they decided you know what maybe we should [ __ ] tear down that old slaughterhouse because damn if
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it really is being used for uh rituals and decorations we should get rid of it yeah probably yeah now like I said
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people weren't really talking about the legend of what happened to Pearl as often because they were more focused on
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Modern things like prohibition and gambling yeah fun things old sport well prohibition's not fun but in 1933
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Justice prohibition was about to end also I should acknowledge that you said old Sparks that was funny that's okay
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I felt you understand it in your soul I did yeah I love Gatsby but just as it was about to end a man named Ernest Buck
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Brady bought the Roadhouse and opened it up as a restaurant and casino and he ended up naming it the Primrose which I
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think is really cool that is pretty right now in no time the place was hopping people loved hanging out there
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but more importantly they liked spending their money there now that latter part obviously brought attention from mob oh
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that old thing oh yeah that whole thing eventually they were actually able to pressure buck into selling the club to
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them so the mob took over damn the mob is like mine mine Money Pit I'll take it I'll take it so Frank screw Andrews yep
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they called him screw yeah they did of course I don't ask absolutely he managed the now rebranded club that they were
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calling the Latin quarter oh sexy and it gained even more popularity now in the 1950s it was actually the or one of the
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most popular illegal gambling dens in the area and it went on that way for 11 years wow right an illegal gambling Den
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that's a that's a good run that's a good friend I don't know what the typical run
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is me neither but that feels like a good one feels pretty great I mean over a decade yeah let's go like a middle
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schooler but like let's not go because yeah illegalities yeah you know there's that but in 1961 the residents of the
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Town were like hey uh criminal activity is a little too Rife here and law enforcement like maybe could you crack
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down on that a bit Yeah and law enforcement was like yeah we should probably do that so they did and they
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closed down the club all right right and so it sat empty for a few more years until it reopened in the 70s as a Hard
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Rock Cafe hell yeah and it's really funny because like I feel like everybody's been to a Hard Rock Cafe 100
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and usually they just have like you know cool memorabilia and a good burger yeah
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this Hard Rock Cafe was hard rock hell yeah it was because if the residents were uncomfy before they did not realize
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that things were going to get a whole lot worse according to the Cincinnati Enquirer the Hard Rock catered to a
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little bit of a rougher crowd of people made up of quote all people from out of town with an interest in live Hard Rock
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music hell yeah I feel like it's just a bunch of like um barbs from trolls World Tour oh my God
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you're such a mom and I love you for that I was like barbs and then I thought you were going down like a stranger
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things around and I was like I'm not getting it trolls World Tour on us and I said trolls and then I was like oh and
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then you knew yeah [ __ ] love Barb to Barb's being like let's rock we have the Rock Stream hell yeah let's go
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Brothers no so that but that was like the weird thing about this property no matter what
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it was operating as a Roadhouse the Primrose the Latin quarter the Hard Rock there was always some kind of criminal
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element attached to it you know it's it's just like that's that's its thing it was just like criminal it's this
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place is just like it's kind of my thing to have criminal elements always it's kind of like Alexis from shit's creek
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it's like a little bit criminal it's a little bit criminal when it drives its car
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but apparently though it's time as the Hard Rock was the most violent oh I didn't see that coming nor did I but I
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thought the mob would have been you know me too but maybe that was just less reported here I am learning things you
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know I'm sure that it probably was when it was the mob but we just don't know much about that and I'm not gonna talk
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about it no way but the police anyways they write things down and that's why we know that
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reports but they were constantly going down there to break up fights to respond to accidents or Worse to investigate
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crime scenes lots of deaths yeah the Wilder police chief no it is the Wilder police chief Robert uh Schindler I
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believe it is told reporters we have had an awful lot of trouble down there but most of it happens in the parking lot oh
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now by the time the club like the Hard Rock Cafe closed at the end of 1977 several murders had taken place in the
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parking lot oh wow and actually just weeks before it closed its doors as the Hard Rock a man had been killed with a
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shotgun and a couple months before that another man had also been shot to death as he was leaving the lot damn yeah
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intense parking lot just like I think it would close and a lot of bar fights would take place and you know it yeah
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that's where everybody kind of spills out right exactly and I think it just attracted a rougher crowd geez put all
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that to say the property had gone through a lot of loss a lot of violence and Tragedy by the time Bobby laid eyes
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on it in 1978 but again he had no [ __ ] idea all he saw was the future home of Bobby Mackey's Music World I
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love that name I do too it's really fun it's pretty intense he's a squirrel music world man World Tour
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World Tour laughs it's the crystals [Laughter] happening like ash just opened her
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mother world and like hung on it for a while that's like where's this going to get to the turn the tune of world
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star you remember those videos they were always horrible you'd be like whoa It's the crystals man it's the crystals
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they're making me all silly and goofy that's that's just rock voice is like World Tour it sounds like a [ __ ] porn
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it's like I was a maniacal laughing exactly back to business building the nightclub
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Bobby might not have had a bad feeling like I've told you 47 times now but the first time she got out of the car and
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laid eyes on the place his wife Janet sure [ __ ] did in fact the very first time she laid eyes on this place she
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said as she closed the car door and turned to look to the building she swore she saw a person move in the doorway and
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then she saw the front door close but there wasn't anybody supposed to be inside did she tell someone that when it
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happened or was that like a later recollection fun fact she told Bobby okay because I was like you should tell
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someone she did she was like hey uh Bob Bobby there's a person in there she said
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but he just laughed it off and eagerly made his way inside yeah you know why not whatever it was the middle of the
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day it was fully light outside but still Janet just couldn't shake the feeling that there was something Eerie about
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this club it had an energy that she just did not like and when she got inside she
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probably didn't really feel much better the place was dimly lit all the tables and the chairs were still set up there
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was posters and decorations hung on the wall a little creepy it basically looked
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like whoever had owned the place before just walked out one day and never came back wow because that actually is kind
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of exactly like that's actually what happened so it was like that because that's what happened yeah but I don't
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know she just she didn't feel like her and Bobby were alone I guess is how I would say it all right she later said it
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felt like someone was in there and it and there wasn't nobody in there but him and I oh and to make matters worse as
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she made her way toward the kitchen she started to hear what sounded like a man and a woman having an argument but when
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she pushed open The Swinging Doors that led to the kitchen it was completely empty oh so she like looked around a
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little bit more but there was nobody there except her and Bobby and they weren't arguing Oh weird that's like
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people will hear in a lot of hauntings you hear like people having a conversation with each other or
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something yeah that's always that freaks me out for some reason but like the auditory yeah what is that called
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um it isn't it am you talked about it in the lighthouses when the guy was coughing
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it's a uh residual is that what it is what it is a residual Hunter I think where they're just like just always
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having that like experience over and over and over yeah it's freaky it is and I think like your first thought is kind
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of like oh my God roast people like still there having that argument yeah but I don't think it's that I think it's
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the energy exactly oh so creepy but so she was obviously super freaked out and she's later said I wanted to get out of
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there as soon as possible yeah I don't blame you but Bobby on the other hand he could not have been more enthusiastic
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and he wasn't hearing any of what she was hearing he's just you know he's he's thinking of possibilities thinking about
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the future mackie's music world yeah I mean if I had that in front of me I would probably
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be plowing ahead too right exactly um he he was very excited he was poking around the building he was singing to
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himself just checking things out oh yeah he's got a new place and all the While Janet is just standing by the door
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waiting to get the [ __ ] out of there and after a while she was like hey um can we
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leave no I'm scared as [ __ ] let's go and finally they did but as they drove home
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she could tell because at this point they hadn't purchased it they were just kind of like scoping locations but she
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knew that this one like was the one that Bobby had fallen in love with she's not
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gonna get him out of it no one she didn't want to like ruin the damper on it bust his bubble and two she also knew
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that she was not going to be able to talk him out of it because Bobby was the kind of guy who would not be talked out
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of something once his mind was made ah so she's like why even bother exactly she knew how it was gonna go it turns
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out she was right and just a few weeks later they were now the official new owners of the building at 44 licking
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Pike that what a name haunted ass building licking Pike licking Pike like that every time you say it I'm like are
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you sure no no and the answer is no but it's l-i-c-k-i-n-g no that's licking yeah
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there's no other way to say that I didn't think so it's just like does that why licking Pike licking bike I don't
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like it I'd like to lick pie oh I love pie right sure let's call it 44 pie pie but a few days after signing the papers
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that made it official the Mackies were at the club like kind of cleaning out all the decorations that had just been
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left by the potatoes owner and all the random junk and they spotted somebody in the doorway of the club
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now the figure startled Janet who probably was questioning whether it was an actual person or not since yes she'd
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already seen a weird thing that's an apparition but she called it to Bobby to investigate and as he got closer he
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could see that that figure was actually a real person this person looked to be about 20 years old a little bit shorter
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than Bobby and just you know casually dressed yeah and he was like Hey I'm Carl hey Carl I'm Carl I have Carl it's
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like the monkey um um before Jimmy Neutron there you go oh no his name is Paul never mind close but
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there's a Carl in Jimmy Neutron so there I am anyways I don't know what's going on with my
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brain reduced himself as Carl Lawson and he explained that he had worked at the Hard
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Rock before it shut down and ever since it had shut down he'd been out of work and he said you know I
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figured I'd just come by introduce myself I know this place inside and out if you need any help I'm your guy yeah
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he said no I don't I don't think you have the criminal element yet so like I can help you to come let you in on all
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of it he said if there's anything you need to know about this place I'm the man to ask and then he said I even saw a
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guy get killed here once weird Flex my guy I saw a guy get killed here he's like I know everything about
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this place even the murder of him he's like welcome to this building I saw someone lose their life here alone
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welcome home it's like okay thanks a lot so much so um probably for that reason Janet wasn't so
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sure about Carl at first yeah but again she was five months pregnant at the time
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and Bobby knew that too obviously so he was like I'm probably gonna need some extra help around here sooner or later
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so you know what let's take Carl up on the offer yeah and he also figured and Janet did too that Carl's knowledge
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about the club would make him an asset along the way especially once they opened the place for sure so he started
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right away and he seemed to be over the moon to be back like he loved being there I thought this was a red flag at
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first it's not okay because I was gonna be like what is going on with Carl no Carl's another baby I feel like he just
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really loves them so if you love what you do you never work a day in your life that's Carl actually I think
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I think Carl loved this place and I also think that this place loved Carl that was beautiful it's not though oh okay
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yeah like it sounds perfect I don't know the story so I'm really flying by the scene of my pants here I don't know this
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I literally don't know this story I don't know what happens at all I don't know her I don't know her so I thought
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that was beautiful but apparently it is not so I'm interested to see why it's not beautiful it might be beautiful like
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in the very end but I feel like at this moment in time the place was like calling to Carl in my opinion at least
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and not calling like hey girl I miss you it's calling like cool get back here you little [ __ ] okay I
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kind of like that that makes sense yeah that makes a lot of sense yeah you know but he also told Janet once he started
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he said don't worry about the ghosts in here they're my friends oh he's adorable
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it's really sweet I kind of love it I love him a lot I love you Carl I love you but she just wrote the comment off to
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Carl having you know like a bit of an offbeat personality and not much more yeah you know she would probably feel
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different as her time at the club went on oh and actually a few days later she'd probably feel pretty different
00:28:40
uh-oh so a few days later she was cleaning in the main room of the club and she heard arguing again coming from
00:28:46
the kitchen it kind of sounded like the same voices that she had heard the first
00:28:51
day that she and Bobby had come to the club so she made her way to the kitchen again very cautiously this time and
00:28:57
again she found it completely empty and as soon as she walked in though she heard a weird sound coming from the sink
00:29:04
so she went over to check it out and as she peered into the sink it started to fill up with a thick red liquid that
00:29:12
looked like blood [Music] so she started backing away from this thing completely horrified but then
00:29:19
suddenly she felt a huge hand on her back that started pushing her back toward the sink oh my God and she said
00:29:27
The more she struggled the stronger the force seemed to get I don't love that it
00:29:32
seemed to her like whatever was pushing her was determined to force her head under this liquid
00:29:37
I would want to talk to Carl immediately and be like are these your friends well
00:29:42
then you would have been happy because immediately he came running into the kitchen responding to Janet screaming
00:29:48
and as he walked in the force let up she literally like later Janet said if it wasn't for him who knows what would
00:29:57
have happened next oh I'd be like you gotta talk to your friends Carl right you gotta you better set them straight
00:30:02
here you said these ghosts were your friends this ghost just tried to kisses on you you are who you hang with okay
00:30:07
Guilty By Association you better make this right you are The Company You Keep Carl Carl Paul that's alliteration right
00:30:12
there Carl Paul immediately went to Bobby because they were like [ __ ] you own this place yeah
00:30:17
this is not good they were like uh I almost just got drowned in a sink full of blood and I also heard Phantom
00:30:23
arguing just like the first day that we got here which that sounds so like just we don't even need to mention it anymore
00:30:29
at this but like I was like Phantom arguing that's terrifying and then the sink filled up with blood and they tried
00:30:35
to drown her in it and I'm like oh you're like score that from the recording to talk about the arguing
00:30:39
anymore honestly forget it well Bobby didn't want to talk about any of it he was just like I don't really think
00:30:45
there's anything going on here wow which I would have been like invalidating me as [ __ ] yeah I am carrying our child You
00:30:52
[ __ ] I'd be like why would I make that up like that's a weird thing to make up
00:30:56
I don't know maybe if he thought that like she didn't want the club or something but that's like a weird one to
00:31:02
make up yeah I don't know but he said I don't believe in ghosts there's got to be some other explanation something else
00:31:07
can't be that yeah obviously let me tell you the Wrath Drew would face if I had a ghost hand
00:31:15
shove my ass closer to a [ __ ] sink full of red ooze that wanted to put my head under that and he was just like man
00:31:23
I don't believe in ghosts so [ __ ] off I'd be like I'd be mad I am angry yeah that's what I would say
00:31:32
I am angry you know what this face is it's the face of an irritated woman angry so Jenna and Carl they were like yeah I
00:31:45
don't really care if you believe us or not they're Spirits here Bobby yeah and before long they would not be the only
00:31:51
ones to think that because a few nights after the attack on Janet in the kitchen
00:31:56
patrol officer like literal Police Officer Larry Hornsby was doing his rounds and he pulled into the parking
00:32:04
lot of Bobby mackie's just to do a sweep now while he was parked in the lot he thought he saw somebody moving around
00:32:10
inside the club which was closed at the time so he was like oh [ __ ] that could
00:32:14
be a break-in so he called for backup an additional officer and once that officer
00:32:19
arrived the two of them went into the building announcing themselves as they went in the front door
00:32:24
inside the club was completely dark and Hornsby was actually starting to second guess what he'd seen through the window
00:32:30
he was like I don't know like maybe my eyes are playing tricky he's like [ __ ] did I just call back up for nothing
00:32:34
exactly but just as he was second-guessing himself both officers started hearing noises from the
00:32:42
backstage area of the club Hornsby said I knew there was a man and woman and a and a radio playing I heard the voices
00:32:49
and I heard the music what so they heard all of that and when they reached the area where the noises were coming from
00:32:56
they found that the room was completely empty oh that's [ __ ] up but as they were searching the room they heard the
00:33:03
front door slam shut what so at that point they were like I guess like if somebody wasn't here they just fled so
00:33:09
maybe there really was someone in here no way so they reported what they found and they left the club for the night and
00:33:15
I'm sure they probably were like damn like somebody evaded us yeah damn we just got got silly
00:33:24
but just a few nights later phooey but just a few nights later Hornsby was back at Bobby Mackey's and this time he
00:33:34
was actually responding to the scene of an uh of an accident in the parking lot okay and by this time he and his partner
00:33:40
excuse me sorry by the time he and his partner were able to get the driver out of the car the guy had unfortunately
00:33:46
died oh I know and now I was laying out on the pavement so Hornsby didn't want to cause a scene so he started looking
00:33:52
around for something in his car that he could use to cover the body like and I guess before the First Responders got
00:33:58
there and as he was doing that he said this young woman came up to him and offered
00:34:03
him a tablecloth like the ones that they had inside the club so he was just like
00:34:07
oh wow that waitress was so helpful yeah excuse me so after she handed it to him
00:34:12
she went back inside and you know he just went about his job but later once the scene had been cleared he went
00:34:18
inside to go thank the woman for the tablecloth and as soon as he got to the door he realized it was locked and it
00:34:25
didn't look like anybody had been in the building for hours what a nice ghost right
00:34:32
wow yeah that was nice and there were nice ghosts in there that's the thing there's some really [ __ ] up ones but
00:34:37
then there's some nice ones yeah that one's nice here's the tablecloth I agree so as spring turned to Summer Bobby was
00:34:43
doing a bunch of Renovations and Bobby and Janet and they were starting to you know come along slowly until a fire
00:34:51
threatened to undo everything that Bobby had planned for the club oh no the fire
00:34:55
started on the night of July 8 1978 and when firefighters got the call they were
00:35:01
told that the fire was of an unexplained origin ooh and that it had started in one of the older parts of the building
00:35:07
now according to the fire chief at the time Edward sendelbach investigators had no idea and still don't to this day what
00:35:15
started the blaze damn but luckily they were able to get it under control and it
00:35:20
didn't do too much damage to the club but it did do some damage the damages totaled around two thousand
00:35:26
dollars but they were enough to push back the official opening of the club a few more oh and that sucks yeah you're
00:35:33
gonna lose some money on that you're gonna lose some money and you were so close to open yeah so later that summer
00:35:39
things that Bobby Mackey's Music World Bobby magic oh Bobby Mackey's oh I couldn't say it Bobby Mackey's Music
00:35:46
World I almost said Magic World why do I want to say magic I don't know it's like
00:35:50
Spirits yeah that's the crystal so it was rough it took me three times and I still didn't say it right maybe the
00:35:56
fourth term is the term I'm not mad too I won't try again oh it's okay that made
00:36:00
me sad you sounded so defeated I'm not supposed to say that I guess I'll just go [ __ ] myself because I want to say
00:36:06
magic instead of Music World you say it better for both of us so no I'm okay with it all right well
00:36:14
later that summer things that Bobby mackie's Music World there it is we're finally coming together and everything
00:36:19
was on track for their September opening Janet and Carl though were still hearing
00:36:24
weird [ __ ] noises in the club good but there hadn't been any more violent encounters even better the one that
00:36:29
Janet had on the kitchen with the blood in the house that was violent for everybody very violent yeah uh but that
00:36:35
all changed in late August she went a little while without being violently attacked but then she was violently
00:36:40
attacked again in late August and this time it was really scary because remember she's pregnant oh I forgot so
00:36:47
this not only threatened her life but the life of their unborn baby oh no this is scary so according to Janet she'd
00:36:54
been cleaning the office on the second floor and suddenly she got a weird feeling like she wasn't alone in the
00:36:58
room and as she swept her way back out of the office and onto the landing at the top of the stairs she felt a man's
00:37:05
hand grab her by the arm oh and the shock of you know that happening and no one being there caused her to cry out
00:37:13
and whatever had a hold of her actually let go momentarily but then pushed her and caused her to stumble forward and
00:37:21
then a second push came from behind just seconds later and that one sent her tumbling down the stairs the entire
00:37:29
flight of stairs oh my gosh she fell all the way to the first floor and later she said when she glanced up
00:37:35
she thought that she saw the shadow of a man standing on the landing and then it
00:37:39
quickly disappeared oh that's [ __ ] up right so obviously that [ __ ] terrified her
00:37:45
and at that point she was six months pregnant oh my God and looking back on it she later said I was so terrified
00:37:50
because I thought I was going to lose my baby yeah I was angry I was terrified I
00:37:54
was everything so obviously taking a fall like that when you're pregnant is really concerned
00:38:00
no matter how far along are you how far along you are so they decided Bobby and Janet to go right to the ER yeah and
00:38:08
Janet actually ended up having to be induced oh at six months at six months holy [ __ ] so she gave birth to a baby
00:38:16
girl who at the time weighed only one pound and 15 ounces a little squirt oh my goodness now the baby had to stay in
00:38:25
the hospital for weeks but then she was finally stable enough to go home with her oh my God she lives she lives wow
00:38:32
can you [ __ ] that is six months like they were supposed to be in there another three months damn that's so
00:38:39
scary that's really scary and even though there were like the immediate danger was totally behind them Janet was
00:38:45
done and she refused to step foot in the club again and you know what's scary it
00:38:50
immediately made me think of him trying the other guy trying to induce a miscarriage with pearl you're on to
00:38:56
something girlfriend okay because I immediately was like y'all what the [ __ ] isn't that so scary that's really scary
00:39:02
yup and you are on to something so oh good good following your Vibes there good job I just was like good good she
00:39:10
just kept pointing at me good job good job so after Janet's fall down the stairs Carl started trying to talk to
00:39:18
Bobby about what was going on oh yeah he was like Hey dude um I tried to tell you
00:39:22
before like this place is haunted and like maybe we should try to find somebody who could get rid of these
00:39:26
Spirits yeah like Janet's not coming back here ever again full part of it but Bobby was like there's nothing
00:39:32
Supernatural going on here um no no Bobby I know well one he didn't want any bad publicity or rumors
00:39:40
negatively affecting the business because it could meet people about the haunt that's the thing that seemed to be
00:39:45
like his thing throughout this whole journey of like not wanting to affect the business but I was like no people
00:39:50
love haunted [ __ ] oh yeah people would be there for all over you know how many
00:39:54
most haunted things in the world there is oh yeah a million so many but also he hadn't experienced any of the
00:40:00
supernatural phenomenon himself and for that reason he still didn't believe in ghosts I don't know about he was like
00:40:07
Bobby's a I gotta see it to believe it kind of guy no boy so throughout trying to open the club obviously there was a
00:40:13
lot of setbacks and the last one was a faulty sprinkler system oh they realized it during the fire and since that or
00:40:22
excuse me and since that posted a serious safety risk the opening was pushed back yet again so Bobby promised
00:40:29
to the fire department into the town that he would have it repaired and in September he was finally granted for to
00:40:37
in September he was finally granted permission to open on October 27 1978. now Bobby mackie's Music World of Magic
00:40:49
of magic and grander had its grand opening with performances by Jack Reno I think and Bobby himself oh cool he's
00:40:57
actually really [ __ ] talented but unfortunately the excitement of the grand opening was very short-lived
00:41:02
because in early December Bobby got a written order of closure from the Kentucky Fried Chicken commercial which
00:41:08
gives me coyote uh ugly Vibes oh yeah because he failed to fix the sprinkler system yeah yeah I'll get that fixed
00:41:15
you're supposed to do that when you say you will yeah you definitely are I guess
00:41:18
he had like a lot of other things yeah pinky promise and then go back yeah no takes these backseats Bobby but the
00:41:22
notice also specified Not only would Bobby need to fix the sprinkler system he would also need to fix any other
00:41:29
faulty wiring so now they were gonna have to go through the whole [ __ ] place and figure it out no and he was a
00:41:34
bit worried because fixing those issues was one gonna be costly on top of everything else he'd already put into
00:41:39
the club and for the first time he was starting to face the fact that he might need to start all over again from
00:41:46
scratch you know he told the Cincinnati Enquirer if it isn't feasible for me to go on
00:41:52
with this place I'm going to try to find another building close by I'll definitely land on my feet the club is
00:41:57
something I've been really dedicated to in the last year and three months I believe in them I believe in him too and
00:42:03
you know what you should have because fortunately the interruption was only temporary and Bobby opened back up just
00:42:10
a short time later without having to move the business which love that you got British there I don't really know
00:42:15
why I did but it happened crystals um crystals but I'm like but he opened up without having to move the business
00:42:21
was that a good thing or a bad thing yeah probably a bad thing you decide I will
00:42:26
you will I will now with the major problems behind them or so they hoped Bobby's hard work did seem to be paying
00:42:32
off again the club was doing really good business especially on the weekends and
00:42:36
it was getting really good reviews but the supernatural experiences continued when you just said the supernatural
00:42:48
experiences continued yeah I was like what does that sound you continued I thought it was the road caster and I was
00:42:55
like [ __ ] to me I know I thought we were exploding we thought we were exploding know what
00:43:04
was happening something fell off of something else and it made a weird noise and so I stopped and I listened and I
00:43:12
watched you're just so Vigilant over there I stopped and I listened and I watched
00:43:22
the real if you thought we were going to explode so you stopped to listen and watched
00:43:29
quite the way to take care of that I mean what else was I gonna do what was I meant to do
00:43:38
are we keeping this Hood oh why not something Supernatural just occurred I'm pretty sure all right well
00:43:47
Supernatural experience has continued and now customers were beginning to experience oh [ __ ] good thing we don't
00:43:53
have any customers in here Bobby was really trying to keep these paranormal rumors about the club from circulating
00:44:00
because yeah he thought it was bad for business but Carl would tell anyone and everyone about the ghosts Carl knows I
00:44:07
mean that's like you got to tell them what they're in for your number one selling point I think so one night one
00:44:13
of the club's regulars Mike Gruber I think is how you say it was quote making fun of Carl and his ghost friend oh why
00:44:18
would you do that yeah well he found out he [ __ ] around and he found out because he was making fun of Carl and
00:44:23
his ghost friend there as he was riding the mechanical bull which is like a really bold time to make fun of someone
00:44:28
else very and as he was riding the thing started to speed up out of control oh my
00:44:34
God and it reached full speed oh damn Mike called out like slow this [ __ ] thing down Carl but Carl couldn't
00:44:41
control the machine and had gone nuts and Mike said it was like some Force took control roll of the bull yeah
00:44:47
before she made fun of man listen this is the only story that I doubt I don't think this was paranormal I think Carl
00:44:55
said [ __ ] you [ __ ] thank you I also thought that that's the only one that I tell yeah I think Carl was like oh my
00:45:01
God I can't control this all of a sudden you're such a dick it's like some force
00:45:05
and Carl's like it's me I'm the force it's it's me hi I'm the force it's me hi uh my name is the force
00:45:16
but beyond the owners and the customers of Bobby mackie's even people who came to do work on the place experience
00:45:22
strange happening yeah stay away stay away one afternoon a carpenter Johnny France which like what a [ __ ] name
00:45:29
Ham Johnny France I'd be like yeah you are I feel like he was hot yeah Johnny Francis Johnny France has to be hot that
00:45:36
would be so disappointing if like I didn't think he was hot yeah because I didn't think I didn't want to say like
00:45:42
if he wasn't hot because like you might think he saw him you know but he was alone in the main
00:45:48
area of the club and he was doing some repairs he was doing some you know Johnny Fran Johnny Francis
00:45:56
[Laughter] [Music] but he was doing some repairs and while he was working he claims that he saw a
00:46:13
quote an entire row of chairs fall over one after the one after another as if they were dominoes maybe they were they
00:46:22
weren't they were chairs and according to France the chair is quote fell over as if something invisible was in the
00:46:28
room walking between the chairs and knocking them over oh that's spooky isn't that so creepy yeah and Carl had
00:46:34
actually seen a very similar thing happen just a few weeks earlier so this only solidified his feeling that the
00:46:40
club was haunted yeah I'd say so now while the ghost story circulated among the patrons on the staff at Bobby
00:46:46
mackeys and the people that did work for them everyone just seemed like amused by
00:46:50
them yeah but Carl on the other hand was getting increasingly obsessed with these
00:46:55
hauntings good for him you know like living have an interest live in research yeah now one day while he was cleaning
00:47:03
the basement he noticed a loose floorboard so he pulled it completely loose and he found a hiding place where
00:47:09
somebody had hid in a diary oh jackpot jackpot the dream literally the dream [ __ ] I am dying to stumble across a
00:47:19
loose floorboard loosen it all the way and find somebody's old ass diary ancient ass diary oh yeah do I think you
00:47:26
should read an histary probably not but like would I yes probably most likely yeah all right so according to Carl the
00:47:34
diary belonged to Johanna Johanna and I sing that because Bobby Mackey wrote a song about Johanna in this whole [ __ ]
00:47:42
thing and that's the song it's way better than that also he actually has a really good voice he does
00:47:50
I don't know why I said actually like I doubted him but yeah like yeah you know what it is I'm not really a country fan
00:47:55
I'll just say it I'm not at all so absolutely say that but he has a wonderful voice he does he almost has
00:48:01
like folk yeah Vibes but country too yeah anyways um Carl found the Diary of Johanna a
00:48:07
former show girl oh shut the [ __ ] like immediately resonated this is so good I
00:48:12
love it and she had worked at the club way back when and as he read through the diary the pieces of her life started to
00:48:19
come together he read that Johanna had been in love with one of the club's musicians shut up shut the [ __ ] up I
00:48:26
love a love story but apparently her father was super against her having any feelings for this guy totally
00:48:32
disapproved totally totally star crossovers Star Cross lovers and he was like you can't have feelings for him and
00:48:39
you did like which like you can't like how do you forbid that he was like don't feel things I was like what like I can't
00:48:44
help that Dad I Can't Fight The Fan Frozen he also was like you definitely can't
00:48:52
pursue them one you can't have those feelings and two you better not pers pursue them don't now when he found out
00:48:59
that they were carrying out a relationship secretly because you made it forbidden man you made it better yeah
00:49:04
and he forbid them again he was like I forbid you Johanna Johanna from seeing this man ever again and actually I'll
00:49:11
[ __ ] kill him if you see him again I'd be like Dad I feel like you're kind of homicidal and it's really weird
00:49:17
that's a lot so later this musician disappeared Without a Trace oh [ __ ] and Johanna Johanna immediately suspected
00:49:28
her father well yeah he said he would kill him I would suspect him as well so she poisoned her dad and then she took
00:49:35
her own life and she's okay she vowed I said to roam the halls of the nightclub until forever waiting for the musician
00:49:45
to return I'm sorry one what a what a climactic ending there right it's not that she wanted to haunt
00:49:53
the place not that loud you know but also give me that diary right give me that diary because that is
00:50:03
a better story than I could ever come up with so like basically I'm trying to go
00:50:07
to Bobby Mackey's Music World yeah you want to go yeah I don't have any other reason to go to Kentucky other than
00:50:13
Bobby Mackey's Music World of magic magic she said but in a pretty short time Carl realized Johanna was one of
00:50:24
the friendlier ghosts yeah maybe she was murderous but only for the people that are dead but [ __ ] happens he may have
00:50:33
been a murderer maybe you know we don't know allegedly that's the best part of it is
00:50:38
maybe perhaps maybe she really took a chance though yeah I bet she knew she rolled the dice you know but he Carl was
00:50:45
like nah like that's my girl and he even actually started to come to see her as a
00:50:50
friend and a protector I love that but at the same time he was like I don't know like maybe she was the one
00:50:55
responsible for the attacks on Janet oh Johanna because he was like maybe she was pregnant at the time of her death
00:51:02
and she resented Janet's pregnant presence in the club I mean it doesn't sound like you had any evidence to that
00:51:08
fact but like no literally okay but yeah he was theorizing yeah and he figured that was the motivation behind the
00:51:15
attacks okay now I should say in the years since Carl supposedly found uh Johannes diary nobody was actually able
00:51:22
to find any evidence that she ever existed and there's also no evidence of the murder of her lover that makes me
00:51:28
upset but not that she didn't murder someone but that like her dad didn't murder someone but like I wanted Johanna
00:51:35
the showgirl to exist I think she might have like a Johanna that wrote a diary and then hit it onto the floorboards
00:51:41
yeah so I believe in Carl is what I'll say I'll believe in Carl yeah I think Johanna
00:51:47
existed I mean I think we're taking that like pregnancy thing to a yeah that to a
00:51:52
speculative place but right like I don't know I don't know if it's her pushing Janet down the stairs let's not blame
00:51:58
him sounds like a man well right I don't think it was Johanna Johanna but the thing is Carl was gonna
00:52:06
realize that and do good okay all right he did Carl smart so a lot of people not
00:52:11
including me were skeptical what did I just say yes skepticable a lot of people were skeptical you were skeptical
00:52:19
no I wasn't skepticable what did I even say I can't even say it again pickable skepticable no a lot of people not
00:52:27
myself included were skeptical yeah you got it about whether or not Johanna ever
00:52:34
existed can't say her name without singing it no I can't it's Bobby Mackey he it's the magic of Bobby mackie's
00:52:41
Music World it overtook me it's the Mackie it's the magic so but okay so so they were skeptical about if she existed
00:52:50
or not but there actually is verifiable proof of the other two ghosts that Carl believed were haunting the club awesome
00:52:58
so the night after he did discovered johanna's diary Carl who was living in a space above the club at that point like
00:53:06
a little apartment he woke up from a deep sleep and couldn't breathe oh so he slowly started being able to breathe
00:53:13
again but as he got like all of his breath back the power in the entire building went out which meant that he
00:53:21
had to go down to the basement to reset the breakers no thank you so he did because he was like I have some ghosts
00:53:27
up in here that like me yeah but as he was down there he happened to notice yet another loose floorboard in the basement
00:53:35
this man I know now when he pulled at that one it revealed a hatch covering that deep well that had been used by the
00:53:44
former slaughterhouse to drain the blood and the fluids from the animals oh my goodness and he said as he stared into
00:53:51
the well which like in general I would never recommend no don't stare into a wall he started to feel an evil presence
00:53:57
surrounding him in the basement and it was so freaky to him that he literally fled back upstairs into his apartment I
00:54:04
just had this really scary feeling of falling into that well yeah I don't like that for you that's why I don't
00:54:09
recommend looking into nose for a while I'm out of there take a quick peek and then say well we gotta go no I'm not
00:54:14
going anywhere near there no I don't recommend that I don't want to be anywhere near it do what you have to do
00:54:18
take a picture you must don't even take a picture no not me someone else take a picture I'll I'll look at the picture
00:54:24
it'll last longer and that's not necessarily I just don't want to fall in it but oh get out of there I know oh get
00:54:31
out of that well I'm trying get out of that well I was listening to Waves by Tame Impala
00:54:38
this morning and Miguel um I don't know what happened I don't know what happened I don't know so in
00:54:43
the days that followed the discovery of the well which I never recommend looking
00:54:46
into like I've said no Carl this is why I don't recommend looking into Wells became erratic and unpredictable yeah
00:54:52
and looking back Bobby recalled it got to the point where I wouldn't know which Carl I was talking to I'd have to talk
00:54:59
to him for a little while to figure out how to deal with him because he always seemed to be different poor Carl I know
00:55:04
he was going through it because the thing was when he discovered the well Carl became convinced that the stories
00:55:10
that he had heard about Pearl Brian's head were true which it could be and it doesn't necessarily need to be like
00:55:17
satanic exactly it could be they just threw it in the well because they knew no one would ever find it exactly now he
00:55:23
was worried about the malevolent spirits in the club and he was worried that they
00:55:27
were wait I [ __ ] that up sorry he was worried that the malevolent spirits and the club were actually Pearl's Killers
00:55:35
yes got Jackson and Alonso Walling I agree now he figured and understood that they were probably the ones who attacked
00:55:44
Janet because remember Pearl was also pregnant when they killed her because they didn't want her to be pregnant yes
00:55:51
and now Carl was really worried that Alonso and Scott would not stop until they had driven everyone out of the club
00:55:57
for good I fully believe this me too so his Instinct was to get the [ __ ] out of
00:56:03
there and never come back again yeah but at the same time he was worried about leaving Bobby and Janet oh because it
00:56:08
kind of sounds like he like really thought of them like family Carl he was fully convinced that the the building
00:56:13
and the land were evil but he just cared too much about them to leave them behind
00:56:18
that's precious and that's why I love Carl and Carly trust now as we all know at
00:56:23
this point since buying the property and owning the club Bobby had completely dismissed any claims of this place being
00:56:29
granted but in the weeks following the discovery of the well in the basement he just couldn't ignore the fact that
00:56:36
something was causing Carl a whole lot of distress or the fact that his wife had never been comfortable at the club
00:56:42
and now um refused to return there's that but at the same time he was still mindful or like thought that the rumors
00:56:50
could affect the business but he also wanted to cause it wanted to relieve whatever was causing Carl so much stress
00:56:57
yeah so he reached out to his friend Doug Hensley who was a paranormal researcher and who was actually living
00:57:04
in the area at the time he's a good friend I know and Doug was like you know what I will do whatever I can to help
00:57:10
you now this is [ __ ] wild oh man I'm strapped in so during his research because you know he likes research just
00:57:19
like us I love that I'm Dave Hensley came across like numerous stories of the tragedy and the death that occurred on
00:57:24
the property where the club once stood but the one that stood out to him the most was the murder of pearl Brian hell
00:57:30
yeah obviously so he dug deeper and deeper into the story and he found out that while those two killers stood on
00:57:39
the Gallows waiting for the door to drop out beneath them one of them vowed that
00:57:44
he would come back and haunt everyone involved in the trial and the place where Pearl's head had been left guys
00:57:52
her head is in that well right her head is in that well I actually don't know if it was no it is it is 100
00:58:00
oh I had this to be true I was like no I fully believe that I believe it it makes
00:58:06
sense I think they probably just like can't get back there yeah it might just be too deep who knows how far that goes
00:58:12
down exactly so between the discovery of the well and the other Haunted Happenings at the club and the changes
00:58:18
in Carl's Behavior Doug Hensley became convinced that Scott Jackson and Alonzo Walling were haunting the club and were
00:58:25
determined to destroy Carl Lawson specifically damn I think he must have been like an empath wow like an empath
00:58:32
no I think he just was one this is wild so Doug really wanted to resolve this issue for everyone involved so he
00:58:38
reached out to a local psychic medium Patricia Michelle yeah right yeah right killed for
00:58:46
Applause absolutely like of course like Patricia Michelle what a great name now she claims that she has the ability to
00:58:53
communicate with the dead and she has had that ability since she was a child and as soon as she got to the club she
00:58:59
told everyone there which I respect that she didn't want to know anything about the property didn't know anything about
00:59:05
the history and didn't want to and she wanted them to stay completely silent while she took a walk around and looked
00:59:11
at things hell yeah so in one room she actually did get the impression of the spirit of a woman who said her name was
00:59:19
Johanna Johanna I knew it yeah I knew she was coming she was real now according to Patricia Johanna knew that
00:59:27
she was dead and said that she wanted to stay at the club to wait for her boyfriend to join her whoa where's her
00:59:33
boyfriend me thinks Carl was right after all yeah I don't know so what if he like
00:59:37
actually never died and he just left and went somewhere else wow that would sucked that would suck real bad like I
00:59:42
think the dad killed him yeah now after touring the upper floors of the club Carl Bobby and Doug went with Patricia
00:59:49
down into the basement where she got an entirely different and way more aggressive feeling than she had in the
00:59:56
room with Johanna yep now Patricia told them that she could see the room quote like it used to be and she was referring
01:00:03
to when it was originally configured as the basement of the slaughterhouse so Carl pulled back the hatch on the
01:00:10
floor to show her the dark shaft that used to be the well and Patricia said that inside she saw Pearl's head
01:00:18
floating in the well and she backed away from it like she like visualized holy [ __ ] now later she talked about the
01:00:25
experience and she said I felt like I was spinning I couldn't wait to get out of there I'm telling you
01:00:31
I am telling you they put Pearl's head in that well right I know it so back upstairs Patricia filled everyone in on
01:00:39
what she saw as she walked the building and she told them I think what is in Bobby mackie's nightclub are ghosts that
01:00:46
believe there's no place for them to go so they would prefer to live in this nightclub than to go on to a place where
01:00:51
they may burn for eternity because they're [ __ ] exactly some of them some of them like the guys exactly and
01:00:57
johanna's probably afraid because you know like she did kill her down yeah there's that but she also explained that
01:01:01
she did believe Scott and Alonso were specifically targeting Carl yeah and she said they were using him as a conduit
01:01:07
for their rage and causing him mental anguish in the process poor Carl I know right so she said the only solution
01:01:16
would be uh to have a priest or a minister come out and bless the space and to have an exorcism for Carl oh
01:01:27
so Bobby after all of this y'all still didn't believe in ghosts I mean one thing about Bobby is that he's gonna
01:01:35
stand his ground that's one thing about Bobby you're not gonna sway Bobby two things about Bobby he's gonna stand his
01:01:40
ground and write a great [ __ ] song called Johanna Johanna those are two things about Bobby two things about
01:01:47
Bobby three things about Bobby though he's a good friend he is I feel bad about Bobby
01:01:53
he is so he agreed to find somebody who could help them with an exorcism because
01:01:56
he was worried about his friend hell yeah so it took some time and you know a few uncomfortable conversations with
01:02:02
people but eventually he came across this guy that he knew Larry Kidwell who thought that he might know someone who
01:02:08
could help Larry happened to work in television and radio advertising and the reason he actually knew Bobby was
01:02:15
because they had worked on a commercial for the nightclub together amazing and they just like stayed in contact ever
01:02:20
since then they weren't really close by any means but Larry knew Bobby well enough to know
01:02:25
that he was not joking when he explained what had happened to Janet and what was
01:02:29
actively happening to Carl yeah but like Bobby Larry was pretty skeptical and had
01:02:34
a hard time believing in something he couldn't see or experience himself but at the same time willing to give the
01:02:40
benefit of the doubt and willing to reach out to his friend Glenn Cole who was a local Pentecostal Minister who
01:02:48
might be willing to help oh good so unlike Bobby and Larry Glenn Cole actually had no trouble believing that
01:02:54
the club was haunted that's one thing about Glenn that's one thing about Glenn for you according to Larry Reverend Cole
01:03:00
explained spirits and demons don't possess buildings but they do exist in structures where people live or come and
01:03:06
go so they can possess those humans when they choose that sucks now given the history of the property and like the
01:03:13
whole [ __ ] Myriad of tragedies that happened on the site Reverend Cole was like yeah I think it's entirely possible
01:03:19
that this place is haunted and more importantly he felt a very urgent need to meet with Carl to to determine
01:03:26
whether he was in spiritual danger or not yeah so a few days later he got to Bobby Mackey's and he wanted to talk to
01:03:33
Carl and kind of take a look around the place just like Patricia Michelle now almost immediately Reverend Cole felt
01:03:40
uncomfy and Doug Hensley remembered meeting this Reverend for the first time and he said
01:03:46
he told me this was the most evil sight that he'd ever stepped foot on in his entire life and it was full of evil whoa
01:03:54
that's kind of redundant but like I thought you were gonna say that kind of evil that is
01:03:59
pretty evil though yeah evil well when you think about it when you told me the Pearl Brian story it's like they did
01:04:06
they killed her by decapitating her yeah she died getting her head sawed off uh-huh that is the most evil [ __ ] you
01:04:15
can possibly imagine absolutely so like that was pregnant and she was pregnant and this used to be a slaughterhouse
01:04:21
like animals there's a really bad [ __ ] happening right and multiple people have
01:04:26
died on this property like I am yeah they're a lot has gone down so after he heard about Carl's experiences
01:04:33
at the club the Reverend said I've been doing this for years and I'm telling you
01:04:37
Carl Lawson is demonically possessed oh man so days later on the evening of July
01:04:43
20th 1982 Bobby Mackey took the stage with his band because he said The Show Must Go On that's Bobby mackie's Music
01:04:50
World of Magic hell yeah and he was going to perform for a packed House of country music fans that's another thing
01:04:57
about Bobby The Show Must Go On all right now the band had been playing for like a little bit when Carl who was
01:05:03
working that night caught a whiff of smoke from somewhere in the building and minutes later one of the patrons yelled
01:05:09
something out about a fire and the band immediately stopped oh no so from the stage Bobby was like please just like
01:05:15
exit in a calm and orderly fashion like we gotta get everybody out of here calmly yeah and to his surprise
01:05:21
everybody actually exited the building calmly without the slightest hint of panic that doesn't sound human to me me
01:05:28
either now as the patrons filed out of the club Carl tracked the smoke to a small fire in the kitchen oh in the
01:05:34
Wilder fire department were just arriving as Carl and Bobby were able to put the fire out themselves with
01:05:40
extinguishers and just a short time later they were given the all clear from the fire department to just go on with
01:05:46
that night's performance what what where did that fire come from well Bobby was surprised but also happy that most of
01:05:55
the patrons who had been hiding in the hiding waiting in the parking lot they were eager to come back inside because
01:06:00
they also believed that The Show Must Go On they were hiding up there then they were like surprised we lit the fire
01:06:06
funny we started the fire but that's funny little side note Fall Out Boy made a new We Didn't Start the Fire
01:06:18
because I thought it needed an update because a lot of [ __ ] has happened since
01:06:22
the last one that you could say really bass like Billy Joel oh my God I saw it on the news this
01:06:28
morning and I was like all right that's cool okay I like that I'm excited to hear that my screen name used to be
01:06:34
Fallout girl 1996. hell yeah word oh Carl on the other hand he couldn't help but wonder if the fire had a more
01:06:41
Sinister origin than just like a simple kitchen fire I also couldn't help but wonder that me either he wondered if the
01:06:47
evil spirits that you know were haunting him were threatened by the reverend's presence a few days earlier and now this
01:06:54
fire was them trying to prevent him from coming back to the club yeah Carl knows
01:06:59
what's up Carl does but a few days later Reverend Cole did come back to the club
01:07:04
to perform the exorcism that would maybe rid Carl and the nightclub of the spirits that haunted them
01:07:11
now Carl was surprised to find that the Reverend was accompanied by a reporter and three cameramen were you surprised
01:07:17
not cool but Reverend Cole said you know they were just there to document things
01:07:21
quote just in case anything happens yeah if I was probably like am I gonna die like I don't know about this so he was
01:07:27
worried about the reporters being there and he told the Reverend that he was also worried about getting hurt but the
01:07:32
Reverend was like no listen I've done this a ton of times nothing to worry about he said I've been in the ministry
01:07:37
for 18 years and I've come close to seeing it all come close close but you're not quite seen at all not quite
01:07:43
there's some stuff I haven't seen still uncomfy with this like that could happen
01:07:46
here a little bit yeah let's see if you might actually see it all over here tonight so for that reason Carl was
01:07:53
apprehensive but he was also hopeful and he was like ready to do this so he led Reverend Cole and the reporters to the
01:07:59
old kitchen and that's where the exorcism was going to be performed okay now the room at that point was mostly
01:08:05
being used for storage especially since the renovation so the men had to push all the Clutter out of the way before
01:08:11
they could set up now once they figured they had adequate space they set up a table
01:08:16
and Carl was to sit just across from Cole the Reverend and he started reciting a prayer and asking for the
01:08:24
Lord's help and cleansing the space of its spirits now within a matter of minutes Reverend Cole said he started to
01:08:30
notice a change in Carl's body language I guess his palms were pressed really hard into the table and his head started
01:08:37
nodding up and down and he quote began mumbling something under his breath in a low and different tone of voice oh I
01:08:44
don't like that I don't like it either it gives me Esteban from The Sweet Life of Zack and Cody and that episode [ __ ]
01:08:49
me up when I was little I have no idea what you're talking about but I imagine it is
01:08:55
um uncomfortable if you're a millennial you know now while Reverend Cole went on with his
01:09:01
prayer Carl was having a hard time talking but continued his raspy breathing and I guess
01:09:08
um that started like right after Cole began reading from the Bible he started like doing a weird raspy breathing now
01:09:15
he Cole kept going on commanding the spirits trying to guide them out you know lady and as he was talking you're
01:09:21
not going to perform an exorcism right now I know the [ __ ] I'm not I know their Spirits here than cool but
01:09:28
Carl's eyes seemed he's the Reverend said to be completely fixated on him the Reverend and finally Carl spoke in a
01:09:36
strange voice and told the Reverend quote they'll get me while I'm alone in here oh which like I have Goosebumps
01:09:42
right now oh now for some like that's the thing this like really [ __ ] creeped me out but the Reverend believed
01:09:48
that the voice was intended to trick him and like prey on his sympathy like it was coming from her spirit and not Carl
01:09:56
oh right so the exchange between the Reverend and the spirits that seemed to be inhabiting Carl's body went on for
01:10:03
what seemed like hours with the Reverend praying over call Carl Carl who seemed resistant to what this guy was saying
01:10:08
but finally Carl's body seemed to start jerking and spasming as Reverend Cole continued to command these spirits to
01:10:16
leave his body and then finally Carl fell limp and moments later he looked up at the
01:10:23
Reverend and said I feel different something in me has changed oh I hope better right so he smiled and he seemed
01:10:30
pleased that the exorcism appeared to have worked now outside the kitchen Larry Kidwell
01:10:35
watched as the four newsmen walked out of the room and they all had kind of like
01:10:40
disappointed looks on their faces I think because they were hoping someone would die exactly you know and you know
01:10:45
he understood why he also expected a big spectacle from The Exorcism like something you'd see in the movies but
01:10:51
instead the whole thing kind of seemed to end with like a whisper in a bang I love it they're like oh man it worked
01:10:57
God damn it [ __ ] that guy is fine but sensing Larry's disappointment Reverend Cole made sure that everyone was out of
01:11:06
earshot and then told Larry it isn't over Carl or a spirit was lying to me the spirits aren't gone Carl was either
01:11:13
protecting them because he's terribly afraid or he doesn't want them to leave oh this was not the end and apparently
01:11:20
like in some um like reiterations of the story that's where it ends like with Carl like in
01:11:27
that moment being cured but then me and Dave found other versions of the story where all of this happens so a few weeks
01:11:36
later Reverend Cole returned to Bobby Mackey's yet again and he wanted to finish what he had started a week
01:11:42
earlier now the second exorcism was said to be a hell of a lot more difficult and taxing
01:11:48
than the first one according to Doug Hensley it took weeks with the Reverend praying over Carl while he just like
01:11:56
arrived around in agony I don't know and in one instance after one of the prayer
01:12:01
sessions Carl was alone in his room this is really gross and like really scary and he noticed his underwear had
01:12:08
been soaked in what seemed like blood oh so he went to the bathroom to check himself out and he realized he was
01:12:14
bleeding from hemorrhoids that seemingly had developed instantaneously what the [ __ ] I think he didn't have them before
01:12:21
he was getting exercised and now all of a sudden he had them and they were bleeding insanely
01:12:26
maybe that's like the demons coming up perhaps Doug Hensley said it was not just ordinary hemorrhoids these were
01:12:34
tremendous in size growing growing and spreading like poison ivy Big Boy hemorrhoids
01:12:49
tremendous I think we're big y'all [Laughter] [Music] growing in size shitty way to get possessed like
01:13:15
honestly no pun intended that sucks right so Carl was obviously in a full-blown panic and started crying out
01:13:24
to the spirits and he was like listen I promise I will keep the Reverend from returning if you just stop hurting me
01:13:29
like this is terrible I feel so bad for car I do too we were not laughing we were not laughing at Carl I was laughing
01:13:35
at the description of that like tremendous as a wild adjective to use I don't know why Doug Hensley Wildman he's
01:13:44
a wild you know after a week of no haunting or demonic activity after this because everything like got put to a
01:13:51
standstill Yeah Carl was starting to think that his promise was successful in keeping these Spirits at Bay
01:13:56
but then Reverend Cole and Larry Kidwell showed up unexpectedly and apparently threatened to destroy the little amount
01:14:03
of peace that Carl had managed to find for himself oh no now I guess he like Carl was like for a minute I was like
01:14:10
not gonna let them into my apartment and he figured he could run or hide from them until they went away but at the
01:14:16
same time he knew that's what the demons wanted and as long as he did what they wanted he was never going to be free
01:14:21
from this God so he let them inside and he walked with them to the kitchen Larry
01:14:27
set up the cameras and left the room now as soon as Reverend Cole started back up his prayers Carl was really
01:14:34
really upset and Cole was like listen this is going to be the final time like I know it like we're so close just stick
01:14:40
with me here but Carl said but what about Johanna and buck referring to the former show girl
01:14:46
and the owner of the Primrose and he told the Reverend they don't bother anybody oh my God Carl and that's when
01:14:53
Reverend Cole realized that this was what he kind of figured all along there was some part of Carl that didn't want
01:14:59
the haunting to end because he really cared about those two spirits and he'd become attached to them over the past
01:15:06
three years so they got like an argument about it and Carl insisted that Johanna
01:15:13
and buck wanted to stay with him and Reverend Cole was like listen they're not gonna find any peace and neither are
01:15:19
you unless we let them move on to the next whatever so before they were able to reach an
01:15:26
understanding Carl's voice changed dramatically first to this weird snarl of a man calling himself Sam Tucker and
01:15:35
then to the rasp of another entity who Reverend Cole knew to be Charlie and that was another one of the spirits
01:15:41
inhabiting calls Carl's body now they cycled through one entity after the other and insisted they didn't want
01:15:48
to leave and demanded that Reverend Cole ceased his attempts to exercise them from girls [ __ ]
01:15:54
so it went on that way for hours with all of these entities like confronting Reverend Cole and then he was just in
01:16:00
turn praying over Carl demanding that they leave and finally after hours of this and
01:16:07
shouting Carl's body began to jerk and spasm again in response to the reverend's word words and this time he
01:16:14
forced his hands on the table pushed the chair way back from the minister trying
01:16:19
to escape the exorcism actually but at that point Reverend Cole grabbed Carl held him tightly finished his prayers
01:16:27
one by one and all of the spirits left Carl's battered body at this point until all of them were gone
01:16:36
damn now I just said yeah now later after the Reverend had left Carl actually finally
01:16:45
felt like he was truly alone in the club for the first time in three years or even more because he had worked there
01:16:51
even before now the thought of never feeling johanna's presence though again disappointed him oh but he remembered
01:16:58
what Reverend Cole had told him Reverend Cole told him when a spirit or Spirits are cast out they search the world over
01:17:05
looking for a new home but if they can't find one they return to their old house
01:17:09
and if that house isn't clean and filled with another Spirit they'll return with
01:17:14
seven more oh and that person is much worse off than before it's very important that you start going to church
01:17:20
you have to fill yourself with Lord Jesus and more importantly you can never entertain these Spirits again if you
01:17:25
ever feel their presence you have to pray for the Lord to wash her and cleanse you you have to resist them I
01:17:30
was with you for part of that yeah you got to the seven spirits I was like oh [ __ ] oh my God that sounded nice before
01:17:37
yeah because it was like oh it'll come back right and be like hey I'm home but then it was like it has seven [ __ ]
01:17:43
with them yeah you don't want that like no I don't want that and then I also don't want anybody to demand that I go
01:17:47
to church yeah or that I'm going to be haunted for the rest like it's fine you can go to church because don't tell me I
01:17:50
don't demand it of me get out of here Reverend call you've done enough yeah so throughout the late 70s and 80s Bobby
01:17:55
Mackey went out of his way to as we know keep those rumors of demons and ghosts from spreading and negatively affecting
01:18:02
the business but by the 90s word had spread because you know there was a whole last exorcism in his restaurant
01:18:07
yeah that'll get around nightclub excuse me where did spread and there was really no
01:18:12
way around the fact that now people were actually more interested in the ghosts than they were in the country in the
01:18:17
western music yeah you know it's fun and in the fall of 1993 Bobby Mackey's Music
01:18:23
World of Magic yeah was actually sued by a patron who claimed that he was attacked by a ghost while in the club
01:18:29
I'm a little obsessed with that a real lawsuit oh you just wait babe oh man you just wait baby you just wait a bit hang
01:18:36
on tight according to the suit J.R Costigan went to Bobby Mackey's and quote walked around the club during a
01:18:44
myth daring a mythical ghost that has become Legend at the club to show itself he then claimed that he went into the
01:18:51
men's bathroom and quote a dark-haired man appeared to him with a rope dangling around his neck and attacked him
01:18:57
punching him and kicking him then dissolved into the air this is a real lawsuit I love it here so in his suit he was
01:19:06
seeking a thousand dollars in Damages for pain and suffering and demanded that a sign be posted in the club warning of
01:19:14
spectral danger honestly that sounds awesome a warning sign that says like warning spectral danger well I'm glad
01:19:21
you like that because it comes back awesome but before that Bobby Bobby's lawyer W Robert Lots filed one of the
01:19:30
most unusual motions to dismiss written in Poetic verse yeah as follows give me some bongos
01:19:39
the plaintiff claims in his petition he was assaulted by an apparition injured by a ghostly Nemesis on Bobby Mackey's
01:19:48
premises I'm so obsessed with this wear beard and Brazen he did blunder by taunting their Supernatural Wonder
01:19:57
proclaiming loudly his resistance to belief in spiritual existence alas this Essence disembodied followed the
01:20:07
plaintiff to the men's party shut the [ __ ] up where the dark-haired haunt with
01:20:12
neck and noose soundly clicked sorry soundly kicked complaintance drunk caboose that's really you guys that's for
01:20:23
realsies followed the play tip to demen's party soundly kicked complain's drunk Caboose
01:20:31
Caboose I'm pretty obsessed with the men's party this is my favorite part this is reckless this is my favorite
01:20:40
story on the planet but even though the tone was mocking and you know the format of the dismissal was
01:20:46
a bit unusual yeah lots insisted he was taking the case very soon I mean I guess
01:20:50
she had him he told reporter someone showed up and filed the suit I was hired to treat it as legitimate I'm convinced
01:20:56
that my clients were not involved in this they're not the ghosts so that's fine so they're not now ultimately I'm
01:21:02
sure you'll be shocked to hear that this case was thrown out of court um the guy just like the guy who filed
01:21:07
the lawsuit failed to show up for the hearing I think you know maybe he had other things going on that day yeah or
01:21:12
was maybe embarrassed that he filed a suit against a [ __ ] invisible force dehydrated and was like I don't think I
01:21:17
should follow through on that he had a look would I be and thought better claims but actually Bobby did agree to
01:21:23
put a sign up behind the bar that reads and it's still there warning to our patrons this establishment is purported
01:21:30
to be haunted management is not responsible and cannot be held liable for any actions of any ghosts or spirits
01:21:37
on this premise that's amazing I love that he was like you know what [ __ ] yeah I'll put up a sign and so by the
01:21:43
late 90s he seemed actually like a lot more accepting of the Paranormal Activity surrounding the nightclub and
01:21:48
in the years since the suit Bobby Mackey's Music World has been featured on a ton of television shows like hard
01:21:56
copy Geraldo the Jerry Springer Show I don't really know how it fit into there a haunting and a current affair and like
01:22:02
other pods have covered the case actually it was one of the first uh episodes I listened to of and that's why
01:22:07
we drink whenever oh my God I love that and I was like oh when I was doing it I was like why have I heard the story
01:22:12
before and then I was like oh [ __ ] so listen to their episode too because it's
01:22:16
fantastic and tons of Articles have been written about it but today the club still operates as uh out of its original
01:22:24
location on linking Pike but customers they can only expect to get a beer and hear some music on Fridays and Saturdays
01:22:31
they can still catch Bobby Mackey in his best damn band that's what they're called holy [ __ ] play their regular set
01:22:37
but only on the weekend I could go the rest of the week is reserved for haunted tours hell yeah paranormal
01:22:45
investigations and even sleepovers haunted ones who's in I'm obsessed with the fact that Bobby Mackey
01:22:54
just leaned the [ __ ] in he spent at like 20 years essentially being like no no no
01:23:00
no no no no no no and then was like yeah [ __ ] it another thing about Bobby Mackey
01:23:05
he's gonna lean in eventually and eventually now sadly Carl no longer works at the
01:23:13
club but he does continue to share his experiences of the hauntings um Janet continued managing the club
01:23:20
actually she did step foot in there again until the early 2000s but unfortunately she did pass away in
01:23:26
February of 2009 after a long illness I know Janet and she died in the home of their daughter oh I know their daughter
01:23:34
that was born at six months yes full circle now Bobby maintains that he has still never had a paranormal experience
01:23:41
in the bar or anywhere else and here's another thing about Bobby's she sticks to his word he's never gonna have an
01:23:47
experience no and he's never gonna believe in ghosts she still doesn't when it comes to the club he says I don't
01:23:53
know if the place got a hold of me but if that's a supernatural experience then so be it I'm gonna stay here Bobby
01:23:59
[ __ ] Mackie a legend a true legend I don't really know much else about him other than his magic world I literally
01:24:08
have never even I don't know a damn thing about him except for this and Johanna now
01:24:14
Johanna it'll stick in your head go listen to it right I know obsessed with this story a story with
01:24:24
more twists and turns than anything than I could have ever expected and like weirdly fun there's so much fun
01:24:32
hauntings the true tragedy is the Pearl Brian's story which like that's not I did not see that coming no right like
01:24:39
that is a wild story wild story and Johanna and Johanna if she exists she does how dare you question her existence
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but yeah yeah the Pearl Brian one really shocked me I mean that's brutal and the
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fact that they The Killers got an Alonso there literally were like yeah we're gonna haunt this place whatever like oh
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[ __ ] spooky but then I'm also like has anyone opened that well girl it's okay I was just kidding
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somebody why has anyone opened that well and like no but I like it's like I wonder I know you know like I've seen I
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looked up pictures of it it looks like it's sealed off and I'm like someone opened that well someone opened that I
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put something down there to go like a long camera on us on a string and go tell me what's down there right I
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wanna know because I want her I want her to also like maybe you could like reunite her I know with her body give
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her like a proper burial yeah like I want to know I wanna know well maybe hopefully I can update it someday let's
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update we can unseal it and I'm like who is are there descendants of pearl that would be like you know they deserve to
01:26:06
have that done I know I need to find this out let's find out let's figure it out wow that was a a wild tale a wild
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tale and um Dave is a big fan of this story so he did like a [ __ ] incredible job on the research [ __ ] yeah
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Dave and I love him I love Dave too and I love him and we hope you keep listening and we hope
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you keep it weird keep it as weird as Bobby Mackie I [ __ ] love this guy he seems great yeah I hope I know right
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[Music] thank you