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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid [Music] it sure is today is surely morbid today
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is the most morbid day one could have yeah it hasn't been a great day but you know what
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um this probably won't make it better because I'm sure it's a very sad tale it is so there's that but you guys are here
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and that's exciting Judy calls I can feel your presence here and you you it makes me happy yay you know love and
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positivity and also Mikey made lemon uh champagne cupcakes and they are literally the yummiest thing I have ever
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put in my face they are so really [ __ ] good you can't have the recipe you can't have you can't have the recipe
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they're delicious and refreshing and I'm sorry that you're not eating one right now
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me too I want to be eating one right now I just you know it's been a crazy day yes my head's going to explode a little
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bit yeah pick up the pieces pick up the pieces and stuff you know like it happens it happens it happens
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everything's okay we just have like family stuff going on yeah we're fine you know but we're okay we're fine we're
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gonna be just fine or swell all right well honestly I have a pretty sad tale to tell you great so let's get into it
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this is um an example of a Tinder murder oh so very sad those are those are sad and
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scary they are very scary they are cautionary tales for sure let's go in early October of 2018
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um Grace Mullane left her home in Wickford Essex United Kingdom and headed to South America she had this really big
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plan she was going to spend six months traveling around the area and then she was gonna head to Auckland New Zealand
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oh she wanted to travel the world damn she just graduated from the University of Lincoln she got her bachelor's degree
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in advertising and and marketing as well it was like a month earlier and this trip was going to be the beginning to
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her Gap year okay and she wanted to spend it back past backpacking across the world and she was super duper
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excited just to learn about you know all the different cultures and experience them and basically she was having a
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little Eat Pray Love situation get it you know now while she was in Peru Grace was obviously making it a point to keep
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in regular contact with her friends and family back home she would send them daily updates through Tech she was
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posting to social media so everybody could see the cool stuff she was experiencing her best friend Amina
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Ashcroft later told reporters Grace was really loving her travels and I could feel her positivity I think Grace was
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happy in her life because she was achieving her long-term goals and realizing her dreams good for her she's
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like so I love that and actually what made this even more special is that Grace's mom had done a similar trip
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during her own uh Gap year so it had even more of a special meaning to her because she was retracing her mom's
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footsteps I love that that's really cool right so after six weeks in Peru where she'd
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been traveling with a group of other young tourists and Backpackers she left South America and this was when she made
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her way to New Zealand and she spent a little over a week traveling around the Northland region before moving on to
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Auckland on November 30th now during the first 10 days of her trip around the Northland Grace was still
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sending regular messages to her family to her friends still posting pictures of the trip sharing that with everybody and
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just ensuring everybody she was really having the time of her life her brother Michael later said she was just
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sightseeing and traveling around New Zealand she was in good spirits and was enjoying herself good for her this
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sounds great so far which is really upsetting me yeah it's yeah because I don't I know it's not going to continue
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that way it's not unfortunately so on December 1st 2018 which was the day before her 22nd birthday oh which man
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makes he's so young even worse and also she's a Sagittarius which like of course
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she's traveling the world oh yeah you're always saying that Sagittarius we just want to run humans just want to get out
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of here we just want to explore we just want to go crazy um and that makes sense that she was one
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of them yeah so Grace texted her best friend Amina From Auckland to let her know actually on December 1st that she
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was going out on a date with this guy that she had met through Tinder she said he was the manager of an oil
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company all right and Amina thought to herself she was like it's kind of weird that you're like looking for a date on a
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dating app on what is essentially a vacation but whatever yeah and it's a stop along the way exactly and Amina had
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just gotten off a long flight herself and she was like I'm not gonna like ruin Grace's Night by being like what the
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heck are you doing and I'm not going to complicate things she's just having fun so as the night went on Grace would text
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Amina updates about the date whenever she could if he headed off to the bathroom or if she did she was like it's
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going great you know she told Amina that he was also spending time traveling and
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he was currently living in a hotel in Auckland the guy that she was on a date with
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in a few months she said he actually had plans to travel to London and in her last text message to Amina Grace wrote
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literally I clicked so I click with him so well I'll let you know what happens tomorrow
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but that would be the last text that she sent oh my goodness to anyone now the next day her family and friends
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because again it's her birthday now are all sending her birthday wishes like happy birthday I hope you're having the
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best day everyone's texting her everybody's dming her sending her message alerts on
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Facebook but hours and hours and hours are going by and nobody's getting a response from her
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so at first her family was like okay I mean she literally just got to New Zealand maybe she's getting settled
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maybe she's out celebrating so at first they didn't see any cause for concern but the next day the day after her
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birthday all the birthday messages Grace had gotten were still going unacknowledged and that was just totally
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out of character for her her brother told reporters on Monday it was weird that we hadn't heard from her so
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yesterday we started to make inquire inquiries down the right channels and realized the last time she was seen was
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on Saturday by one of her roommates in a hostel so they're starting to like fully panic
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I was just looking at pictures of her she is so beautiful oh my God she's gorgeous oh and like oh it just kills me
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it's so sad and I'm just like feeling the Panic for her loved ones here especially on her birthday yeah
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seriously she's just about to turn 22 22. like has the whole rest of her life ahead of her wild so two more days went
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by with absolutely nothing from grace and that was when her family really started to lose it yeah so they decided
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to contact the British Consulate in Wellington and an official missing person's report was filed now with the
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Auckland police so now there was going to be an investigation into this disappearance and with that Grace's
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father hopped on the first plane he could to Auckland so that he could Aid the investigation in any way possible
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that's a dad right there that's a dad no a day later Auckland police detective Scott beard told the Press since
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receiving a missing missing persons report around lunchtime yesterday police have been piecing together Grace's last
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Stone movements with the last sighting being on Saturday night using the extensive CCTV footage captured from
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cameras around the city so luckily there's like so much CCTV I feel like in other parts of the world oh yeah I know
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we have it here but I feel like it's way more it's everywhere seriously so luckily they were being able to like put
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together her Knight through this footage and investigators also released an image
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of her that had been captured from a camera at Auckland Sky City Entertainment complex on the night of
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December 1st the last night she'd been seen okay and that image luckily generated a ton of leads from the public
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in one instance a resident told police that she had seen Grace standing on the side of the Southern Motorway and
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Manukau I think is how you say it which was about 14 miles outside of Auckland the woman told police I can honestly say
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100 I saw a young girl absolutely so close to her description that it's not funny and no there was no way I was
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going to stop she was in a very unusual place to stand I looked at the photo and
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I was quite adamant I had seen that girl she had like a raincoat she had a bigger
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sort of jacket not a fashion like one hmm what was weird is like I don't really think that tip led to much but oh
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she was weird super super adamant that she had seen Grace and described what she was that she had a jacket on That's
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So wild to me because I think about it I could never tell you if I saw somebody or not I don't I'm so unobservant what I
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wore yesterday yeah I have like I don't remember like I'm observant in the moment but like it's not sticking around
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sometimes I'm I think it just depends on like where I'm at yeah okay I think there was something that you changed
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recently maybe like in your kitchen or something and me and Drew were talking about it like and we were like oh like
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did you change that and you were like no we've had that for a while like oh I was
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like oh sorry we're not very observant yeah I just think about it and I'm like if somebody put up a picture of somebody
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and they were like did you see this person in Boston yesterday I'd be like I don't [ __ ] know I have no idea maybe
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seriously think about how many people you pass throughout the day that I'm always amazing so you're not paying that
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much attention thank goodness some people do honestly but then what sucks is that other people who don't actually
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pay attention say they do and then they give you like a false tip exactly but investigators also discovered that all
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of Grace's belongings were still in her room at the hostel which indicated to them that she hadn't left country at
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least yeah detective beard told the Press we've spoken to a number of people at the Backpackers hostel because she
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was in a room where there was at least four people staying okay now this thing was the sad thing was that none of those
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people she was staying without any additional information yeah they were like she went on a date and that's the
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loss we saw yeah but back in Essex Grace's family was working to Aid the investigation
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themselves they were able to access her social media and they saw that still she
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hadn't read any of the messages that had been sent to her since December 1st which again very out of character for
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her and in addition to that they also found that her itinerary this is quote her itinerary had been changed from her
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original bookings and she planned to stay in Auckland until the 8th and had paid for the hostel until the eighth
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which she hadn't reported to anybody so that was kind of strange yeah now at the
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time of the press conference which was five days after Grace had gone missing police were not totally ready to assume
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Foul Play but between the unread social media messages and the abandoned belongings
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and no contact there was cause for alarm they were ready to go right to follow play but they were tiptoeing that line
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yeah essentially now a day later investigators released additional CCTV footage that was captured from a camera
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at City Life hotel in Auckland and it was recorded about two hours after that original footage from Sky City
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and in not new footage Grace is seen with a man getting off an elevator on a higher floor
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investigators reported having spoken to the man and they said that they quilt conducted forensic tests at an apartment
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at the city life Hotel so things were starting again yeah but still they said they didn't have any other information
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that they were willing to share but the case was not going to go cold because on the night of December 8th
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Auckland police made an arrest at the time his name was being suppressed but they had arrested a man
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the one that Grace had just gone out with on the night before her birthday 26 year old Jesse kempson
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according 26 and wait until you hear what this [ __ ] had done in his 26 years of life
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according to detective beard Clemson had come to their attention because of that
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CCTV footage and said that quote an examination of kempson's vehicle and of a room at the hotel where Miss Moline
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was last seen had led officers to conclude that she was dead oh no she'd been murdered
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so in his statement to the Press beard said we still do not know where Grace is but we are determined to find her and
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return her to their fam to her family oh that changed the next day because Grace's body was found oh no she was
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found in a suitcase are you kidding me along an access um Road in the waitakere ranges which is
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a popular hiking area just like 12 miles about outside of Auckland piece of [ __ ]
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guys [ __ ] garbage so obviously the discovery of Grace's body was completely devastating for her
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family yeah they were hopeful throughout the investigation that they were going to find Grace alive and this was
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literally their worst [ __ ] nightmare luckily their Community rallied around them and the memorials and outpouring of
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support began literally as soon as the discovery was reported actually the mayor of Wellington at the time Justin
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Lester tweeted about what a terrible nightmare this murder was and similar sentiments were also shared by the New
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Zealand prime minister at the time Jacinda ardern I think it is in a public statement she said that Grace's murder
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caused quote an overwhelming sense of hurt and shame that this has happened in our country on behalf of New Zealand I
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want to apologize to Grace's family your daughter should have been safe here and
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she wasn't and I'm sorry for that oh that's awful also why we need more women leaders yeah right they get it they get
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it like the fact that she took the time to actually like apologize that this happened in a place where that she was
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in charge of and to say like she should have been safe here and she wasn't like I'm sorry and I'm sorry
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so investigators they were able to find Jessie while they were scanning Grace's social media Pages for any indication of
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her whereabouts Auckland detective Diana Levinson was scrolling through the comments on Grace's photos she was on
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Facebook and she saw one from Jessie kempson the night that Grace disappeared he left
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a comment on one of her pictures that said beautiful very radiant are you [ __ ] me
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nope what the [ __ ] the night she disappeared like very clearly did that after he did
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what we will find out he did wow so the detective reached out to kempson and explained they were trying to locate
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Grace which is then when they learned that he had met her through Tinder and that the two of them had gone on a date
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Saturday and the Saturday that Grace went missing so he told the police and this is a
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quote we drunk a lot of cocktails at the Burger Bar and we were having good conversations but he said the date ended
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a little after 9 30 and that the two went their separate ways and that he ended up meeting up with a colleague
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from work false liar not true liar and the thing was to the detectives to beard and Levinson the fact that Grace
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mysteriously disappeared less than an hour after supposedly parting ways with this guy yeah like they were like no way
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so they kept him in mind as a potential suspect and they continued to chase down other
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leads but he was at the Forefront of their mind now using CCTV footage the credit card receipts and then of course
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the communications like the ones between grace and her friends investigators were
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able to put together a pretty thorough timeline of events on the night she disappeared on November 30th she used
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the Tinder app and that was when she matched with Jesse kempson they chatted pretty briefly and then they arranged to
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meet for a date the next day at 5 45 outside of a Christmas display in downtown Auckland oh God like just met
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up in front of a Christmas display now as far as anybody could tell between 5 45 and when she was last seen at 9 40
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PM Grace and Jesse seem to be enjoying each other's company they drank at the Blue Stone room which is a bar near the
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city life hotel where he was living and Amina told a reporter from Radio New Zealand I sensed Grace was having a good
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time and she seemed to be pretty drunk and really enjoying herself that's so scary like she just thought that she was
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having a good date because they were just having a good date yeah that's what's so scary about this like he
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wasn't this sounds like it was just you would have no way of knowing no absolutely just having a good date
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you're just texting your friend about your good date like and it's also like dude like it's even scarier because
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you're like did he know that she was texting her friend and it's like if you knew that she was texting people like if
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you like she's connecting with people as this is happening right and also still gonna do like what and you would also
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assume that like you're probably one of the last people that she matched with like
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like you're what is wrong with you like damn there's so much wrong with him no it was in the course of their
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investigation that detectives discovered that footage from city the city life hotel lobby and in that footage Grace
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can be seen going into the elevator with Jesse Clemson and getting off on the floor where his apartment was the
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pictures are chilling chilling because she has a smile like oh yeah super happy she thinks she's just going back to this
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guy's apartment that she's really hit it off with I mean I speak for myself how many [ __ ] times have I done that it's
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a very it's a very normal thing to do like it is it's it's just so sad to think that like
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you can't hit it off with somebody anymore and go back to their place no you can't trust anyone you literally
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can't it's like how do people date anymore I honestly don't know I wonder that all the time it's so true but the
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thing was the footage alone was proof that Clemson had lied to the investigators when he said they parted
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ways around 9 30. so they went they went back to question him a second time and that's when they were given a very
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different and way more elaborate story than the one that he told them previously
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excuse me according to him everything he told the detectives about his night with
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Grace up until 9 30 had been true but he was like you know what I was lying when
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I said we parted ways after dinner but now I'm ready to tell you the whole story oh good that's real nice of you
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thank you for wasting our [ __ ] time he said they met up a little before six on the night of the first of December
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they went to that Sky City Entertainment complex and then they moved on to the blue blue stone room for dinner and
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drinks and he said the date was going pretty good so around 9 40 once they finished
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up dinner he invited her back to his apartment and basically said that he implied that they would hook up okay and
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it's here that the story changes from the previous version when they got to back to his room he said he put on a
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music channel on the television and he and grace started kissing it gets a little graphic here just if you're
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listening with people you don't want to hear graphic things with okay um he said they were kissing and talking
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but things escalated and he told them this is a quote she asked me to turn off the TV she told me there's a few things
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she likes doing that she had done with an ex-partner we started having sex at first it was normal it was very Placid
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and she's then she started biting and she asked me to bite her so I did I stopped at first and said is this really
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something you want to do and then at that point he claimed that they stopped having sex and they started
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discussing bondage and then he said it was at that point that Grace mentioned the book 50 Shades
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of Gray and told him that she did have an interest in BDSM so he said she told him that she had been exploring that
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kind of sex with a previous boyfriend before they broke up okay and then Jesse said after they had that like quick
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conversation about going through with that kind of sexual act they kept having sex and he went on to say she was
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holding my arms above my head and just biting and then she hit my butt then she held me around my neck and pushed down
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she indicated that it made me harder we swapped over I got on top we started having more I guess violent sex then we
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ended up on the floor and then we kept going she told me to hold her arms Tighter and then she told me to hold her
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throat and go harder so he said the two of them then took nude photographs of each other which is
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not true and when they were done having sex he said he went to the bathroom and he alleged that he uh fell asleep in the
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shower after all that okay yep according to him he woke up still in the shower a few hours later a
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few hours oh he took like a full nap sir you would have drowned yep woke up in a
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few hours later and he said it was still dark so he crawled back into bed and he
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fell asleep again and did not wake up until the next morning he said to the detectives I thought
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Grace had left I woke up the next day and saw that she was lying on the floor I saw that she had blood coming from her
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nose I screamed I yelled out to her I tried to move her to see if she was awake I was in shock and I didn't know
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what to do I took a whole heap of tablets that I had I realized she wasn't alive and I just wanted to end it all
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literally not one part of that makes sense none of it makes any sense one part of that is believable whatsoever so
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clearly he was trying to say just like if you know that this was an accident gone wrong they had too rough of sex and
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that she had been killed in the process so he is trying to tell us right now that they had this like violent whatever
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sex and that when they were done he just he just got up and went into the shower
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and she was dead yes but he just he but he didn't he didn't notice that yeah yeah that yep that makes so much sense
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that you would just get up after having sex with someone and not realize that you had killed them in the process
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yeah and basically absolutely what we will try what we will see is that he is saying it happened while he was choking
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her like she died during that you would know if you killed someone like that you
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would know and also it takes a long time to manually strangle someone my guy we'll see exactly and it takes a long
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time with consistent pressure she would be showing a lot of signs of being in she had to be real distress
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she'd be struggling and you would be having to sit there with constant consistent pressure that doesn't make
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literally any sense and after minutes and minutes of doing that you don't know that she's dead no idea
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and then you just crawl back into bed and you don't see her on your like even if that had all happened and you had no
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idea that she was dead which like that didn't happen it never would but in the in an alternate universe where that was
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possible then you just walk back into your bedroom and you don't see her where you had just had sex and you just crawl
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into bed it literally nothing that is the stupidest [ __ ] like story I've ever heard in my life and then he said
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he took the Heap of pills and tried to end his own life when he realized what he had done but then he also claimed
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that in a panic he went to the warehouse which is a store on Elliott Street in Auckland and that's where he bought a
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suitcase so you said that you just took this whole heap of pills but then you're
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saying that you went to a store and purchased a suitcase yeah you did that on like 100 after you took
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the amount of pills that you were saying you were using to end your own life yeah
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no yeah this all it all adds up like this was very very legit what yeah he said I went back and at first I didn't
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know what to do I just put the suitcase on the bed and I think I left again couldn't remember it was literally a
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couple days ago love that you planned you went there and got a suitcase with a clear plan and then was like I didn't
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know what to do I didn't know what to do really you just bought a suitcase didn't
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really have any idea what you were gonna do with it he said I just was thinking that me and Grace had such a great night
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we were talking about catching up in London [ __ ] you the [ __ ] [ __ ] you [ __ ] yeah you're not going anywhere
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idiot so detective uh Ewen saddle oh I love that name I know you do you and settle interrupted kempson at one point
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to ask why if the death had been accidental did he not call for an ambulance once he realized she was dead
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exactly and he said he did put the number in his phone but he didn't follow through with the call oh so close he
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said there's a dead person in my room I thought it looked terrible yeah I mean it does it does look pretty [ __ ] that
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is the one thing I can say that you are correct about but you know what looks worse you purchasing a suitcase because
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P that pretty much implies that that's how you're gonna get rid of the dead person in your room you [ __ ] [ __ ]
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so rather than call Emergency Services or literally any other person on this planet who could help him Clemson loaded
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Grace's body into that recently purchased suitcase he said I was just in shock the whole
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time I couldn't put her in it because it just didn't seem right it just didn't seem right so I left and Grace was half
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and half out of the suitcase at that stage I couldn't do it so that's worse I'm without words for
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this thing yeah me too so according to him he then left the apartment to buy cleaning supplies which is true it was
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captured again on CCTV wow once again we're we're doing great with the not suspicious thing here yeah seriously and
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then when he returned he texted a friend to chat because he said I didn't think it was real
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nope I think you were just looking to make sure that you had some some little Paper Trails Here There and Everywhere
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to make sure that you were like what I was just talking to my friend I wasn't no I wouldn't be doing that after I
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killed someone this isn't even the kind of paper trail you want he was just trying to explain something away because
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um through the course of their investigation police would learn that the friend he was talking to
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was actually just another Tinder match that he was planning to take on a date that night wow you just murdered a girl
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you said you really connected with in your room and you're so upset and distraught and you took so many pills
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and you don't want to be here anymore but you're planning a date for tonight after you dispose of your date's body
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from last night wow psychopath also imagine being that girl and finding that out later that's really funny because I
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literally wrote imagine finding out you were a poor person on that date with him
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that night Jesus because he did go on a date oh my God he did yep when he returned home from his other date though
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so this man is still claiming after the he went on a date that night he went on a date that night and he is still gonna
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claim later that that was an accident and he was devastating sadness all of it wow the stupidity a [ __ ] fake ass wow
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so yeah when he got home from his date that was when he managed to get Grace's body into the suitcase and after
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cleaning his apartment he took the suitcase down to the parking lot and loaded it into his car which is also on
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CCTV so you can literally like he's carrying the suitcase oh yeah I saw those pictures [ __ ] haunting
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and horrifying to look at because you're just looking at that being like Graces and that yeah she never left that hotel
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yeah like you we see her walk in and we never see her walk out so [ __ ] so he takes the suitcase down to the parking
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lot loads it into the car which uh again also captured and the next morning he drove it out to the waitaki I think
00:27:43
that's how you say it uh waitakere excuse me ranges and he took the suitcase out of the trunk he said that
00:27:48
he went to the brush and started digging and then he said he took 20 maybe 30 paracetamol tablets because
00:27:56
I didn't want to be around if Grace wasn't there and I didn't think I deserved to be around because of what
00:28:01
happened I love that he's like yeah I just keep taking pills it's they just don't affect me yeah it's wild I'm just
00:28:06
taking so many pills and also you know what you don't deserve to be around oh you're getting murdered exhausting you
00:28:12
[ __ ] [ __ ] so he dug a hole and then placed the suitcase inside and covered it up and
00:28:18
then drove over to a nearby Reservoir and he claims he sat there and waited for the overdose of drugs he'd taken to
00:28:26
end his life but it just didn't just didn't so he drove back to the city and went to his
00:28:31
apartment like so now he has taken two overdoses of pills yeah and they've done nothing
00:28:38
nothing he's been able to drive function all of that it's like I think you're lying like a lie I think you are now
00:28:45
when detectives asked why he decided to change his story until this new version he said because I want her family to
00:28:51
know that it wasn't intentional but I also want her family to have closure and the other night when I was questioned by
00:28:57
police I was still shocked and I apologized for misleading wow you put a woman in a suitcase and buried
00:29:07
it and you think that's giving the family closure yeah closure what and then he still claimed that he had
00:29:13
absolutely no intention to kill Grace but it didn't matter he had killed her and now he was officially being arrested
00:29:19
on murder charges and taken into custody wow so it did not take the investigators
00:29:24
long to poke holes in his story and conclude that he was not being completely truthful [ __ ] no they were
00:29:30
able to theorize that Grace had been murdered sometime between 9 40 PM when she's seen getting off that elevator and
00:29:36
1 29 a.m when he logged into his computer to use the internet directly after what had happened what
00:29:45
his first search was for those waitakere ranges followed by a second surge six minutes later for hottest fire
00:29:53
and also he spelled hottest wrong wow and then he made further searches to find out
00:30:02
whether there were flesh-eating birds in the waitakere ranges you're that's not real no that's real he wanted to know if
00:30:09
there was flesh eating birds he searched for flesh-eating birds in that range are
00:30:14
there flesh eating birds and the wataka rearranges I'm without words yeah he has an
00:30:20
explanation for that later don't worry oh good I'm eager to hear that or his lawyers do which like I was like even
00:30:26
better wow that was a reach but he signed out about 20 minutes later at 1 46 pm and then spent three minutes uh
00:30:34
taking intimate photographs of Miss moline's body are you [ __ ] kidding me yeah no I'm
00:30:42
not but that is exactly why he said they had taken photos of each other while being intimate he obviously knew that
00:30:48
police were going to find his phone search it find these photos and apparently he didn't realize that the
00:30:54
detectives were gonna know whether or not she was alive when the photos were taken dumb [ __ ] you think people can't
00:31:00
tell if she's alive or dead you idiot you're sick holy [ __ ] took photos of her
00:31:06
he's and tried to say that that was like something they did in the course of their discussion
00:31:11
disgusting like that's not BDSM at all wow now a search of his apartment turned up even more evidence during their
00:31:19
initial search crime scene technicians found traces of blood quote on the foot of the bed in the footprints walking
00:31:25
towards the bathroom and in small splatters on the fridge oh yeah and if you they have pictures online of the
00:31:31
luminol yeah light up that's a lit up like a Christmas tree that's a lot according to the technicians quote
00:31:37
somebody had walked in with had walked in blood with their left foot and transferred blood around the room and
00:31:44
then they believed that the smaller strain stains were likely spillover from a bucket like somebody would use to
00:31:50
clean a mess holy [ __ ] yeah now because the body had been left undiscovered for
00:31:57
nearly a week the autopsy technicians couldn't be precise in the measurements and conclusions but the medical examiner
00:32:04
was able to conclude that the cause of death was manual strangulation holy [ __ ]
00:32:09
they estimated that the killer had quote Applied sustained strength and unrelenting pressure yeah for somewhere
00:32:15
between 5 and 10 minutes this is why that's like the stupidest [ __ ] story he could have told five five to ten
00:32:24
minutes of sustained strong pressure while somebody struggles and he's claiming that like [ __ ] off like even
00:32:31
right now I just thinking about that I had to take a breath yeah five to ten minutes there's no way she
00:32:37
wasn't struggling and they also noted that there were burst blood vessels in Grace's face
00:32:42
petite and particular hemorrhaging in her left eye deep bruising on her upper arms neck and left shoulder shoulder
00:32:49
that is described as being quote typical of restraint this was not no sex no no drugs were
00:32:56
found in her system but due to the time that had passed the medical examiner also couldn't determine her blood
00:33:02
alcohol level at the time of her death which in this case to me it doesn't really matter yeah
00:33:07
now digging into Clemson's personal life detectives found a tangled confusing Web
00:33:13
of Lies half truths and Oddities I guess you could say that provided very little
00:33:20
insight into who Jesse was what his personal story really was but this is what we do know okay he was born in
00:33:27
Wellington New Zealand in 1992 and um he was raised in and around wainui Mata and paurirua I really tried
00:33:38
and I literally put phonetic spelling wow he was raised around there but when he was nine his parents divorced and his
00:33:45
mother ended up moving away from the family and she moved overseas okay and after that he had little to no contact
00:33:50
with her and eventually his father met and married a woman and they kind of Blended families okay from what
00:33:57
investigators could tell he had a very poor relationship with his family according to one former acquaintance
00:34:03
they were all Quote appalled by his constant dishonesty and thievery makes sense no not shocking the tensions
00:34:10
between his him and his father and his stepmom eventually led to them giving him an ultimatum and we don't know
00:34:16
everything involved here but basically they told him he could get psychological help or he could get the [ __ ] out of
00:34:21
their house wow so he chose the latter and in 2013 he moved to uh to Australia where he lived until 2016 and in 2016 he
00:34:31
then returned to New Zealand now while he was living in Sydney he was arrested multiple times for disorderly
00:34:38
Behavior which was a pattern that continued when he returned to New Zealand because he was arrested in New
00:34:44
Zealand for drunk driving okay yes basically his issues seemed to follow him wherever he went yeah when he
00:34:51
returned to Auckland after leaving Australia he found a shared apartment situation and told his new roommates
00:34:57
that he quote was coming over to New Zealand to buy bars to add to the franchise his father owned
00:35:03
that was not the case at all the roommates problems with him also began almost immediately he failed to pay his
00:35:10
rent on time constantly his former roommate said there was always an excuse he was waiting on money from his
00:35:16
accountant in Australia eventually you stop believing the stories there were so many stories that you start to say
00:35:22
really it stopped making sense and then other roommates even found his behavior to be odd or sometimes threatening one
00:35:30
of them a female was so freaked out by Jesse that she kept a Knife by her bed whenever she was in the house alone with
00:35:36
him my God another remain elaborated and said he came home drunk and broke some furniture and she was scared when he was
00:35:43
drunk the facade goes just a little bit damn so for detectives the picture of Jesse that was coming through from their
00:35:51
investigation was that of a troubled and most likely mentally ill chronic liar who struggled to main relationships
00:35:58
maintain relationships with anybody damn now it was his criminal history though that convinced them that Grace's death
00:36:05
was not an accident in 2017 his former girlfriend went to the Auckland police and reported that he had violently raped
00:36:12
her oh my God and repeatedly threatened to kill her over the course of several months oh so he's an actual
00:36:19
full-blown in every gender like every direction you could possibly reach piece of absolute garbage garbage yeah and
00:36:28
actually about eight months before he met Grace on Tinder he made another date on the app with a woman that he ended up
00:36:34
sexually assaulting at the end of the night she told reporters I was just frozen I let him do what he needed to do
00:36:39
so I could try and go to sleep or go home as soon as possible oh that's awful I wish there needs to be like a central
00:36:47
place where people can report yeah this stuff about specific people I know I don't know I wonder if that like I don't
00:36:55
know anything about dating apps because that was like way out of my time of dating but like I wasn't on them long
00:37:01
enough to luckily have to report I feel like there should be like some central place at each at each site that like
00:37:07
yeah you can report a profile and they should really regulate it and if there's even
00:37:13
one report against you you should be kicked off that app because I know you can report profiles but I don't know how
00:37:20
it works like after you've reported yeah there needs to be a very specific and it
00:37:23
needs to be a [ __ ] like put the hammer down kind of thing seriously it's so fun it's horrifying it's so scary I
00:37:32
you couldn't pay me money to online date ever again seriously and that's so scary
00:37:37
and it's for people who actually are doing it to meet someone and think of the people that do I mean I know people
00:37:42
who have gotten married after a meeting on Tinder or hinge or any of course of those you know like it happens yeah but
00:37:48
then you have to think that this could also happen yeah it's true it's so scary but it makes you even it makes you
00:37:54
further realize that the internet and like social media and stuff is so [ __ ] toxic now like the grid needs to
00:38:00
just crash because even like it's the same thing as like you're like when you meet someone in a bar you don't know
00:38:08
that person no they're brand new to you so if you give your number to them that's it's essentially the same thing
00:38:14
but something about the internet makes like the more nefarious aspects of it become real and it's like they it makes
00:38:23
it more it's so weird it is it really is weird yeah I don't know what it is I think it it just gives you a a little
00:38:31
more power to people can hide and to and to put like a an alter ego in something
00:38:36
yeah exactly he could put on his profile that he's interested in because he saw that Grace was interested exactly that's
00:38:44
that's exactly what it is it's like they can cater themselves to it's it's honestly a bad person's kind of what
00:38:52
Haven there because it's like they can really cater themselves to be what you want them to be yeah and then a lot of
00:38:58
times they do it's really bad let's just let the grid crash everybody there's um a sunspot on the side which is wild
00:39:07
that sunspots can go on the spot yeah let's just say hey but it's four times the size of Earth and apparently it's
00:39:13
all the potential to cause a lot of solar flares which could crash the grid yeah let's just go back to like
00:39:18
researching out of books in the library and it unfortunately I think everybody would lose their [ __ ] minds if
00:39:23
they're great oh yeah for sure so I would just like hide we're too we're too deep now yeah far too but one can dream
00:39:30
yeah you know well in his first court appearance Jesse Clemson and his defense team petitioned to have his name
00:39:36
suppressed in all the public records and media [ __ ] you which I I'm very confused
00:39:41
about why because he was 26 years old it's not like he's a juvenile no but the request it actually was initially denied
00:39:46
but that decision was later reversed dude oh this is why I do know why I do know why due to the open investigations
00:39:53
and to the other assaults that he was now accused of committing before Greece was killed that's why but I don't really
00:40:00
get it bye maybe it's because it would influence that decision yeah it's like one of those things where I think it's
00:40:06
they they don't want those things being part of the new trial kind of thing I mean but like being I hate that [ __ ]
00:40:13
because it's like I'm sorry if you're a terrible person and a rapist yeah we should be able to take that into
00:40:19
consideration when looking at how you uh murdered a woman in a hotel room yeah I
00:40:24
don't think we should be like well just forget all that luckily the jury was able to find out like we'll see but it's
00:40:29
so weird right it's very strange the just system is weird it's very strange and all of them are so different yeah
00:40:34
and remember this is New Zealand that's true but then the thing then this is the
00:40:38
thing so this ruling was only enforceable in New Zealand like keeping his name out of it which immediately
00:40:44
caused problems in the case because it was being focused on all around the world of course now there was also a big
00:40:51
leak of Jesse's name because uh it was through Google when Google sent out their like news Roundup I don't know if
00:40:57
you get that they named him oh to users across the world of course and it caused
00:41:02
this massive like issue and like tension within the trial that's so crazy like I
00:41:08
never thought of the fact that like somewhere like New Zealand would even have that be a thing yeah like an adult
00:41:14
their name could be kept out of it yeah and I think if their name was kept out of it like we were just saying because
00:41:19
of other cases it's just interesting it is and the New Zealand legal system was [ __ ] pissed at Google like really mad
00:41:26
but then Google said that they never received any kind of suppression order and it pretty much went nowhere oh there
00:41:32
was like discussions that were had about how [ __ ] up that is that we can't name
00:41:36
people but whatever so Jesse kempston's child did start on November 4th 2019 almost one year after Grace's death
00:41:43
and the trial was overseen by Justice Simon Moore and he put unusually unusually tight restrictions on the
00:41:51
local and international media in the courtroom because of that situation with Google so that's why I had to mention it
00:41:57
um the crown was being represented by Brian Dickey a crown solicitor with more than 24 years experience and Prosecuting
00:42:05
major criminal cases like at the highest courts yeah which I think is cool when like like there's multiple courts high
00:42:11
court high courts now Clemson's defense team was led by Ian Brookie a private solicitor who actually had a history of
00:42:19
Prosecuting cases on behalf of the crown so that was interesting in his opening statement Dickey told the
00:42:25
jury the facts of the case and noted that even though Jesse kempson claimed Grace had died accidentally his actions
00:42:31
afterwards were not those of somebody experiencing Panic uh no they were deliberate acts of a murderer trying to
00:42:38
cover up a crime scene and just cold careless acts yeah he was like he did not regret this one bit he photographed
00:42:45
her body he searched for ways to dispose of her stuffed her into a suitcase and then went back on Tinder to find a date
00:42:53
that same day that's outrageous and he argued incredible incredible and he argued that he was eroticizing Grace's
00:43:00
death by taking intimate photographs of her body and looking up pornography while she laid dead in his room oh come
00:43:08
on absolutely [ __ ] monster but in their opening statement the defense of course argued the opposite they said
00:43:15
that Grace and Jesse shared dinner some drinks went back to his apartment and engaged in consensual sex shut up like
00:43:23
no they said it was then that Grace it was Grace's fault of course it was she asked Jesse to choke her which resulted
00:43:30
in her accidental death and they said as for kempson looking at porn and searching for random things
00:43:36
later those were quote unquote random drunk searches and they said him searching for the waitakere ranges could
00:43:44
have just been something as simple as him searching quote somewhere the pair had planned to go for a day out
00:43:50
so wait let me just get this straight he's um drunk and how do you spell that ready uh w-a-i-t-a-k-e-r-e
00:44:01
okay so you're we're being very serious when we say that he is drunk and searching that particular place yeah
00:44:12
and just looking at porn after he already had sex because that makes sense yep okay yeah and when you know what
00:44:19
when I'm when I've had a few drinks the first thing that I think of is like I wonder if there's fleshy eating birds
00:44:25
out there and that's the other thing I'm like oh yeah it's just my Curious mind he's just making sure that there's no
00:44:30
flesh-eating birds that will get them while they're out on their date that's literally all I think about when we go
00:44:35
on a hike I'm like I hope there's no flesh eating birds around because like they're so common that what wow what wow
00:44:43
and it's just a coincidence that you buried her body out there huh just a coincidence just a coincidence so weird
00:44:49
I know it looks it looks so bad totally but please believe me so it was clear that the defense was going to portray
00:44:57
the murder as just rough sex gone wrong battle defense but thankfully the prosecution was very prepared for that
00:45:02
their second round of witnesses they hoped would show that Jesse kempson was a sexual sadist with a history of
00:45:09
violence against women in total the prosecution called three women to the stand and each of them had varying
00:45:16
degrees of contact with him and they all had their identity suppressed for their
00:45:20
own safety thankfully yeah the first woman testified that he had contacted her through Tinder and quote told her he
00:45:26
liked rough sex domination and strangulation because it made him feel more Superior and in control
00:45:37
I was just gonna say I have so many thoughts right now but she said they went on a date and they did engage in
00:45:43
conceptual and consensual sex but at some point he became more aggressive during that than she had anticipated and
00:45:49
she told the courtroom he grabbed my forearms and put all the pressure on my arm so I couldn't breathe and I couldn't
00:45:55
move my arms I started kicking trying to indicate that I couldn't breathe I was kicking violently he would have helped
00:46:01
me find he would have felt me fighting I was terrified and later when she confronted him about
00:46:07
the incident she said he told her in an accusing and cold tone you don't think I
00:46:11
did that on purpose did you you he's so disgusting yeah did you see him yep he looks like a [ __ ] yeah
00:46:20
he's repulsive now according to the witness she did stay in contact with him for months after because she was quote
00:46:25
concerned that she had given him too much information about her life and that he would stalk her if she cut off
00:46:30
contact that's how afraid she was yeah now on the morning of December 1st 2018 just hours before he went out with Grace
00:46:39
he was trying to get in contact with this witness to get her to agree to a date oh but she declined and said she
00:46:46
had other plans and he kept up with her all day asking let's head out let's head
00:46:50
out let's head out even in the days after Grace's death but she repeatedly declined he would have killed he wanted
00:46:57
to kill another a lot of these women not a doubt in my mind yeah another woman now the next witness called for the
00:47:03
prosecution claimed that she had also matched with him on Tinder and that they had been exchanging messages for weeks
00:47:09
but she declined his requests for a date because she said she said quote she turned down his offers of a date because
00:47:15
of some of his sexual requests which included strangulation made her feel uncomfortable yeah now like the last
00:47:22
witness he also contacted this girl on the morning that he went out with Grace and then a third woman who he met
00:47:29
through Tinder nine days before Grace had a similar experience in which consensual asphyxiation was introduced
00:47:36
by kempson so after the prosecution had presented the three Witnesses the defense still
00:47:43
tried to portray what happened to Grace as an accident they said that she had a sexual history involving BDSM and they
00:47:50
actually called several witnesses to the stand to testify as to her sexual interests and preferences that's [ __ ]
00:47:57
up like how [ __ ] is that you are brutally murdered by a Tinder date and then their lawyers go on to make your
00:48:04
sexual history Public public to everybody and making it seem like you asked for this imagine going home and
00:48:10
laying your head down on the pillow at night after doing that to a dead girl no I wouldn't yeah uh the attorney cumson's
00:48:16
attorney there presented the jury with forensic evidence that he collected from Grace's laptop basically she was on a
00:48:22
BDSM website talking to people which she is perfectly allowed to do she is a consenting adult yeah the chats were
00:48:29
between her and two separate men and they occurred between August and September in 2017. the transcripts were
00:48:36
read aloud to the courtroom she is dead everybody and was killed and this is nothing to do with it nothing
00:48:44
all they were trying to do was prove that she had an interest in media and it's like okay she like BDSM does that
00:48:50
mean that she should get murdered for it like what that's not BDSM that's not BDSM at all like I can promise you that
00:48:57
it's crazy so one man that she had been talking to was called to testify about his conversation with her and he told
00:49:05
the jury everything and then a second witness for the defense made similar claims that she was new to this world of
00:49:11
BDSM trying it out and she did enjoy being choked okay a preference not to death everybody exactly and then in a
00:49:21
statement again read aloud for the court an unnamed female friend of Grace's which like
00:49:26
you did your friend dirty she said Grace enjoyed her partner putting his hands around her neck and again sure maybe she
00:49:34
did enjoy that but it didn't mean that Jesse kempson had the right to strangle her for over five minutes and then take
00:49:41
photos of her dead body because that is not part of BDS okay think I'm like I love that they're trying to be like well
00:49:49
she liked 50 Shades of Gray everybody and yeah a lot of women I'm sorry what part of 50 Shades of Gray is this
00:50:00
like this is [ __ ] up that they're pretending that this is anything to do with her sexual preferences and her
00:50:06
family is sitting there in that courtroom her face actually desecrating her name her family this is what kills
00:50:12
me with this [ __ ] because it's like this girl got [ __ ] murdered after going on
00:50:15
a date and now her family is sitting there and she gets to have all of her [ __ ] laid bare when she's dead she was
00:50:23
murdered and she's not here to tell us actually what she likes and these people just get to go up there and talk about
00:50:28
her however they want to and talk about her sex life and say that she liked this
00:50:32
like you don't know you have no idea you don't know these [ __ ] men either like
00:50:36
you don't know any of them it's so [ __ ] up it's like how you can do that to a girl who has been murdered is
00:50:44
beyond me Beyond but they did and they did it to try to do it to get this guy out off too who you know killed her not
00:50:52
only you know killed her you know has assaulted at least three other women and how about all the women that were
00:50:57
probably too terrified to come forward a violent rapist you're trying to get off
00:51:01
on murder that he is admitted to he raped his own girlfriend yeah so and again they did it all the way till the
00:51:07
end in his closing arguments Ron Mansfield who was a member of kempson's defense team reinforced their position
00:51:13
that Grace Grace excuse me had initiated and encouraged the sexual behavior that
00:51:18
resulted in her death that's what they said wow they said I have like no words I have many words but I'm not gonna say
00:51:25
them around they said everything comes and did after was out of fear Mansfield told the jury people do things when
00:51:32
they're stressed when they're panicked no matter what he did once he realized she had died unless he called the
00:51:37
authorities that was not going to look good or stand him in good Steed because who was going to believe him that the
00:51:42
death occurred during a consensual activity no one just like No One's Gonna believe it now you blundering idiot and
00:51:49
also like sure yeah you're correct people do do things when they're stressed and panicked and no matter what
00:51:54
he did other than calling the ambulance would look bad him looking up porn is a lot more than bad him looking up the
00:52:03
place where he buried her body is more than bad him then doubling down to see if the birds would eat the flesh off of
00:52:11
her bones horrific yeah those aren't just things people do when they're stressed no when
00:52:17
I'm stressed I like I knock things over I trip yeah you don't Google weird I don't I don't kill someone look at porn
00:52:25
and then take photos of it take photos of their dead body so in these closing arguments Brian Dickey uh disagreed with
00:52:31
the defense's case entirely he pointed out the medical examiner's estimation that the strangulation lasted between
00:52:37
five and ten minutes until the jury this is a quote this isn't just a little bit
00:52:42
of sex gone wrong because the person doing that must have known that they were hurting her yes causing her harm
00:52:47
that might well cause her death but they were Reckless and carried on and she died this is not an accident no of
00:52:54
course it's not and they've shown a pattern that he's the one who likes doing that yeah she is interested in
00:53:01
BDSM obviously but it's showing like he's making it seem like oh she wanted me to do that I just I was I was so
00:53:08
wholesome I had no idea how to do this he has a longer history you have a long history of doing this and actually the
00:53:14
defense for him only kind of [ __ ] themselves there proved that because yeah she was super new to this exactly
00:53:21
nice job yep now the um Dickie there the one that we like he also noted more importantly that the
00:53:28
evidence presented at trial didn't even support the defense's claim of an accidental death he partially or excuse
00:53:34
me he particularly pointed to Jesse's actions right after Grace's death he said the internet searches and the
00:53:39
taking photographs uh were specifically undermined by the defense yeah and said either Miss Mullane was dead when they
00:53:46
were taken or he had searched for the waitakere ranges where he buried her body while she was still living thus
00:53:52
showing he planned to kill her yeah it's like so do you really want to go with that one still exactly because then
00:53:57
we're gonna have some premeditation here so exactly yeah so after almost four weeks of graphic graphic testimony and
00:54:05
very disturbing evidence the jury retired for deliberation so before they headed out Justice Moore reminded them
00:54:10
that they were not deliberating whether kempson was guilty of having caused Grace's death we all knew that was true
00:54:15
yeah he said you're deliberating whether he intentionally caused that death or not and he said to them consent only
00:54:21
comes into your deliberations if you have rejected murder on either the basis of the murderous intent I have described
00:54:27
above it is not relevant to the murderous intent inquiry no person under our law May consent to their death or
00:54:34
the infliction of the sort of actual bodily injury that could was that could well cause death and that is the reason
00:54:40
why if you find either of the murderous intentions proved thus proving the murder the question of consent does not
00:54:46
arise okay now the jury deliberated for just about five hours before returning a unanimous guilty version oh thank
00:54:56
goodness okay you took a second and looked at me and I was like if you [ __ ] tell me I just like to see where
00:55:00
you're at I will be very angry unanimous guilty good the decision was obviously Bittersweet for Grace's parents yeah and
00:55:06
I think it's Jillian but it could be Gillian Moline it's with a G I think it's Julia yeah who told reporters the
00:55:12
verdict of the murder today will be welcomed by every member of the Moline family and friends of Grace it will not
00:55:18
reduce the pain and suffering we've had to endure over the past year Grace was taken in the most brutal fashion a year
00:55:23
ago and our lives have been ripped apart this will be the rest this will be with
00:55:27
us for the rest of our lives Grace was a beautiful talented loving daughter Grace
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was our sunshine and she will be missed forever she did not deserve to be murdered in such a barbaric way or on
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her Gap year we must return home and try to pick up the pieces of our lives without our beloved Grace which I have
00:55:43
chills reading though yeah in February of 2020 actually which is crazy Jesse comes in was sentenced to
00:55:50
life in prison with a minimum of 17 years before he could ever be considered for parole good and in the months that
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followed he was also found guilty in two sexual assault cases good and he got sentenced to 11 years in prison for
00:56:04
those to be served once he was done for the murder of Grace I like that I did that so tacked it right off to the end
00:56:11
of course he and his lawyers appealed to the sentence and they argued that there
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was a quote credible Narrative of consent basically saying that he believed Grace consented to the ACT that
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resulted in her death shut up but the justices rejected the claim on the basis that an individual does not have a right
00:56:29
to consent to their death you [ __ ] get out of here and the appeal also alleged that the prosecution didn't
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present enough evidence or CR a credible argument that could sufficiently warrant
00:56:41
a guilty verdict honey but the justices also rejected this yeah they've rejected
00:56:46
that outright are you kidding me right now exactly like wow okay glass house no absolutely ridiculous they said by their
00:56:53
verdict the jury showed that they were sure that if the applicant did not intend to kill the deceased he at least
00:57:00
intended to inflict bodily injury which he knew was likely to result in death yeah the most that could be taken from
00:57:06
kempson's account is that Miss Mullane may have consented to the application of manual pressure to her neck for the
00:57:11
purposes of sexual gratification but there is nothing in what the applicant told the police to suggest she consented
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to or he believed she contented to the infliction of bodily injury of a Kind likely to kill her no of course not no
00:57:24
so on June 29 2021 the court rejected that appeal and they upheld the Court's original stay there now outside of the
00:57:33
courts Grace's murder brought up a lot of questions about the safety of female tourists and Backpackers in New Zealand
00:57:39
and just the safety and protection of women in the country in general now like overall New Zealand is seen as a very
00:57:46
safe country they've actually even had three female prime ministers in there and in fact I'm pretty sure that the
00:57:53
reason this was probably brought up after this case is because it is such a safe place that they do it the right way
00:58:00
where something like this happens and they go whoa whoa whoa like we gotta take a look at what's happening here
00:58:04
well what's crazy is when it comes to domestic violence and violence against women in New Zealand Society recent
00:58:10
reports found that quote 35 percent of New Zealand women had suffered physical or sexual violence in their
00:58:17
relationships wow and that the country lacked a comprehensive strategy to tackle the problem damn so according to
00:58:23
an associate professor of criminology at Victoria University in Wellington a woman named Jan Jordan New Zealand had
00:58:30
quilt lauded and valued valued and incredible toughness in men which in turn had created an Insidious culture of
00:58:38
violence and she went on to say we got lulled into thinking we're actually quite an equal Society but those women
00:58:43
who have made it to the top are actually a tiny minority wow so after the trial is finished people were
00:58:50
completely appalled by the rough sex gone wrong strategy that the defense used they called it what it was Ultimate
00:58:57
victim blaming yeah and according to Fiona McKenzie founder of we can't consent to this the argument comes since
00:59:04
defense use meant quote he gets to tell her story yeah he gets to tell the story
00:59:08
of what she liked and how she asked for it family is not only lose their loved one but these men steal the public
00:59:14
perception of them and destroy their reputation yes exactly it's appalling it is
00:59:19
so thankfully once Jesse was convicted things kind of like this case shook things up an activist in New Zealand
00:59:26
started advocating for Change and the laws that allow the use of such defenses because that is a real defense yeah and
00:59:33
Fiona McKenzie told reporters with nearly 40 percent of women under 40 saying they've been violently assaulted
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in sex the criminal justice system needs to be ready to respond if these women report and not just dismiss the violence
00:59:44
as something they asked for now as of 2023 the laws have not changed yet but it's a very much still ongoing
00:59:51
debate and I'm actually going to include a petition calling for the end of the rough sex defense in the show notes good
00:59:58
so definitely make sure to check that out and sign if you are whatever yeah I signed it so you should too do it but
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yes that will be in the show notes and then I will see if our girl Avery can also put it on social media yes
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absolutely but that is the tragic tragic story of graceful Lane and how the legal
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system really tried to defile her name but working out for them damn that's an awful story such a sad story I hope
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something good comes out of it I hope that law gets changed I hope that law gets changed too like big time it's it's
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time oh that was a brutal one it really was but we love you guys and please stay
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safe out there if you're using dating apps yeah be careful go on double dates yeah there you go oh my gosh my friend
01:00:40
has this really cool boyfriend I think you'd hit it off that's good you want to do a double date because I don't want
01:00:44
you to murder me yeah there you go yeah perfect or have your friend just like go
01:00:47
on a date with her her significant other at the same at the same place as you just so they can keep an eye yes follow
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you yes you know I love that I like that a lot yeah all right guys well that's your tip of the week
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