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Hey weirdos. I'm Ash. >> And I'm Elena. >> And this is Morbid. [Music] This is morbid in the late morning.
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Yeah. Early afternoon. >> Early afternoon. >> What have you? >> Yeah, I had food poisoning last night.
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Ew. Um, so that's cool. Got some funky chicken from takeout. Luckily, no one else did.
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>> Do the funky chicken, >> so I was not doing it last night. >> Um, it was a rough night, but I'm here
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now. Hey, you survived. And I survived. And I'm I'm literally drinking. This is not an ad. I'm drinking liquid IV
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currently. If you like felt like [ __ ] the night before or like you lost a lot of whatever whatever you had. Yeah.
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Liquid IV is the go-to. It really And again, >> this is not an ad. I'm literally just
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saying this. I am currently >> That's my glass. I'm drinking liquid IV. >> I got um a little bit car sick the other
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day on the way home. Yeah. And I had a liquid IV after and it helped. >> That has not been evaluated by the FDA.
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I'm drinking the orange creamsicle or dreamsicle flavor. I need to try that one of those and it's really good. I
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love like creamsicle flavored anything. I I fully recommend it. It's helped a lot because I felt very very obviously
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this morning when I got up I felt super dehydrated and I also and it's like I got up and kids were up so it's like you
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have to be on >> on you can't just be like slugging around. So I downed some of that and I
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was like you know what I don't feel that bad. Boom. Yeah, that's great. So, here
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I am. It vacated the premises and now we are back in business. >> Back in business. I know you threw that
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off really quick. That was actually very impressive because I've had food poisoning before and been down like the
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very next day as well. >> Yeah. It's just one of those like >> I mean you're also living that mom life.
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>> Yeah. You're just not you can't be. It's just like one of those things. Obviously
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quickly though. Yeah. I was going to say I usually do. >> Yeah. >> But yeah. >> Well, that was bad news. Do you guys
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want some good news? >> Let's go. >> There's so much good news to come, but for now, we'll just give you one piece.
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Uh we are doing a live show. >> What? And then like a real one >> in person. You can buy tickets. We are
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going to be at the Wilbur in Boston like for real this time. Nobody send a pandemic through the [ __ ] air.
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>> Yeah. Don't do it. >> Just let us have one goddamn live show, universe. >> It's been a while. Well, it's been a
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long while. >> It's literally been like 5 years. >> Yeah. >> So, >> remember when we were going to do a
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whole tour and then co just said >> Yeah. Co said absolutely not. But, um, we're we're doing this one live show for
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now. >> Yeah. >> Um, and we're so excited about it. We're already We've been planning it and it
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we're going to make it like a little different. >> Yeah. >> But really fun. >> We want to make it like an experience.
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>> Yes, exactly. I was going to say an event, but experience. >> An event. We're going to make it an
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event. I'm I'm very excited. We're going to meet you guys. >> Yeah, we're going to do a meet and
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greet. Then we're going to do uh 50 meet and greets. So, definitely if you want to meet us and greet us.
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>> Yeah, we want to meet and greet you. >> Get those tickets. Tickets are going to
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go on sale August 8th. I don't know what time. Um I can update you. Keep an eye on socials.
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>> Yeah, we'll make sure to up you update you guys. >> And the link for tickets obviously we
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will be posting on our socials. >> So, keep an eye out for that. And >> that's going to be fun.
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>> The countdown is on. We're [ __ ] excited. And it's going to be fall. >> It's going to be fall, everybody. I'm so
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excited for it. >> We went to TJ Maxx, so you should go. >> We did. We stopped there
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>> because they have a their fall decor and we just summoned Halloween this morning.
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>> We did. It felt so right. >> Felt so good. You know what? >> Some pumpkin pillows.
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>> I You just thought like you were disassociating into a blitz. >> I got some pumpkin pillows. You just
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looked zooted off your rocker, my guys. I just went to a place of I went to a place of Halloween. I know.
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>> You know, >> I wanted the um the Diet Coke ghost, but I can't find it. >> The viral Diet Coke ghost.
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>> I'm looking for the viral Diet Coke ghost. I'm going to try another HomeGoods later cuz I'm psychotic like
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that. >> Go for it, man. >> But yeah, I got some pillows. I got What else did we get? Oh, I got a candle.
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>> Of course, >> I got a candle. But of course, >> I have a stockpile right now of
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Halloween packages, like just decorations that are just in my dining room. >> Just waiting. I'm like, come on.
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>> Waiting to be torn open. >> September 1st. >> Let's go. >> It's on. It is. >> All right.
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>> September 1st. It's on. >> It's on. So on. >> It's on site. It is on site. >> So this is part two of Linda Hazard and
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Starvation Heights. >> Horrific tale so far. >> Yeah, thank you. That's correct. This
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has been awful and it's only going to get worse. >> Yay. >> Um, so in part one, we introduced you to
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the woman who called herself Dr. Linda Hazard. >> She's not even a doctor. >> That's the thing. Thank you. You've
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taken the words out of my mouth. She had no medical degree to her name. >> None.
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>> But, you know, she called herself her doctor. We went over her strange ass partner, husband Sam, and all the drama
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surrounding their getting together between >> so much dramas. him being like a big old
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biggamist, leaving her, coming back, leaving her again, and then showing back up again once he realized that she had
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an idea that was going to make some money. >> Yeah, people be people. >> People be people in and philanders be
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philandering. >> It's true. But unfortunately, that money-making idea was pretty bogus
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because Linda's big idea, if you don't remember, was that fasting, quote unquote, could solve any and all
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ailments afflicting patients. But her idea of fasting was really just starving people. Yeah, it definitely wasn't
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fasting. >> No. And I don't want to hear it. Starving. I don't want to hear it. >> I don't want to hear it.
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>> I'm not talking about fasting. I'm talking about starvation here. >> Uh, but that's why she opened the
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clinic, Wilderness Heights, which eventually, like we remember from part one, the locals started calling
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Starvation Heights, right? >> Really horrifying. >> People were dying left, right, and
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center. And as I said at the end of part one, things were going to take a much darker tone when people started signing
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over their estates and power of attorney to Linda and Sam. >> That's when [ __ ] feels like it's going
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to get really shenanigy because it's like once you start signing over property and money.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Money is the root of all evil. It really is. >> Truly. So given the number of patients
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who died as a result of Linda Hazard's supposed miracle cure, it would be reasonable to wonder why so many people
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continued to put their faith and their money into her big idea. >> Yeah. >> But there aren't many more things
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powerful than the fear of illness and death. And for a lot of people living with those fears, the hope that
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Wilderness Heights represented outweighed the skepticism and reason. >> Yeah. So people all over the world
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continued to read the books of Linda Hazard and would travel to Washington to seek out her miraculous cure.
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>> It's desperation, man. >> It is. >> Any anybody with chronic illness or pain going through?
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>> That's the thing. Like on its head, you can say, "Oh my god, why would anybody
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ever go there?" Like why would you subject yourself to that? But you if you don't have chronic pain or chronic
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illness or anything like that, then you can't really understand that kind of desperation.
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>> You just can't. So, among those who sought the help out of uh Linda Hazard in 1911 were Claire and Dora Williamson,
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two wealthy British sisters who had actually just gotten a large or not just gotten when they were younger, they
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received a large inheritance after their parents had died pretty early on. >> Okay.
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>> And they invested a significant amount of money in traveling and experiencing
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the latest in health trends. That was like their big thing. >> Okay. >> They were like health gurus before
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health. Just going to say they were like health Tik Tok giries >> before that was a thing.
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>> Yes, exactly. They were trying all the latest things. >> So, the sisters had seen an ad for one
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of Linda's books while they were staying in a hotel in Victoria, British Columbia. And once they finished the
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book, they were enamored with the so-called doctor and her quote unquote quote revolutionary methods.
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>> Oh, no. >> Quote unquote. >> Quote unquote. >> Isn't that fun to say like that?
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>> Quote unquote. >> Quote unquote. Uh neither were ever seriously ill up to this point, but they
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both had a tendency to indulge in hypochondria a little bit. >> It can happen. >> It sure can.
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>> We've all seen people like that. >> Mhm. And they constantly sought out new fast cures for whatever was ailing them.
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According to author Best Love Joy, Dora complained of swollen glands and rheumatic pains while Clare had been
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told that she had a dropped uterus. >> Damn. >> Which I haven't heard of. >> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. But as enthusiastic followers of the alternative medicine movement, they
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had both invested lots and lots of time and money into chasing products that claimed to provide relief. But up to
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this point, nothing had worked. So from what they read, the sisters envision envisioned this beautiful lakeside
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retreat in Wilderness Heights where they could rest and receive treatment for their chronic conditions. But when they
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arrived in Washington in February 1911, they were very surprised to find Wilderness Heights, an unfinished, and
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putting it nicely, very rustic location. Well, Wilderness Heights. >> Wilderness. It wasn't at all the
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exclusive modern camp that they had envisioned. >> Instead of housing them at the
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sanitarium, though, Linda arranged for them to stay at an apartment on Seattle's Capitol Hill, and she would
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just go there daily to pro quote unquote provide treatment. >> Okay. >> Quote unquote.
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>> Quote unquote. >> Thank you. I feel like they were probably picturing um if I can always
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bring it back to Gilmore Girls. Let's go. >> Um if you ever see the first Life and
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Death Brigade party that they have that's like in the woods and it's very like Great Gatsby.
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>> I don't know if I remember that, >> but it's like tents and candle lights and like it's very like everyone's, you
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know, dressed in white and like >> I think I actually Is that when they jump off the thing the next day?
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>> The next day. Yeah. >> Yeah. And so I feel like that's what they were picturing when they heard like
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wilderness heights. They were like, "Oh, this is going to be fancy. >> We're going to be in these like
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beautiful tents." >> Yeah. The bougie tent where they're like massive and they have like queen beds in
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them. Exactly. >> Yeah. I want to go to one of those. >> I know. That was I was always very
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jealous of that Life and Death Brigade party. >> Yeah. >> Like I want to have a party like that.
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>> Invite me. I would go. >> Yeah. I'll find a I'll find a wooded area and you're all invited.
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>> Awesome. >> All right. So, she just didn't say whether or not it would be haunted.
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>> Exactly. >> Come at your own risk. So under her care, Claire and Dora were subjected to
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days long fasts with intermittent meals of one cup of the juice from a tomato a couple times a day.
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>> Yeah. When they weren't uh resting, the sisters would receive Are you ready? >> Am I ready?
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>> Hours long enemas in a bathtub. Hoursong enemas. Hoursong enemas. No part of me can conceive of that. I
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can't even conceive of like one enema. I don't even know how long they take. I know it's not supposed to be hours.
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>> Hours feels insane. >> Ours feels like torture. Like, I'm not even being hyperbolic. That sounds like
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[ __ ] torture. >> It literally does. >> So, when the practice became too much on
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their bodies because it was torture and they would eventually pass out. Instead of stopping, Linda had canvas supports
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installed on the tub to keep their heads from slipping underwater so she could continue the enemas. And they're passed
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out at this point. >> Yeah. Yeah. To me, that sounds like >> torture. >> Torture and like and that she's going
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above and beyond to torture >> and she's like depraved. >> Yeah, that's depraved. Exactly. After
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two months of treatment like this in Seattle, Linda transferred Clarendora to Wilderness Heights now for continued
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treatment. By that time, they weighed about 70 lb each. These are grown women that weighed 70 lb
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each. And they were so emaciated that neighbors actually took notice of their poor condition.
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>> Wow. >> Others would have been concerned for their safety, too, if they had any idea
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what was going on over in Washington. But according to their family disapproving of their
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health and no one left for the United States a few months earlier, >> so no one knew where they were. Given
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past disapproval from their friends and the discouragement from Linda Hazard, Clare and Dora never contacted anyone
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during their ordeal until it was too late. Oh, that's awful. >> Yeah. So, their horrifying experience
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was finally discovered when their former governness, which is kind of like it's like a nanny and a teacher.
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>> Yeah. >> From like way back when. >> But Margaret Conway, she received a mysterious telegram on April 30th, 1911.
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>> Margaret had been the girl's primary caregiver since their parents had passed
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away at a young age. So, she was super close with them. She was like the closest thing to a mother that they had.
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>> So, they always stayed in touch after Claire and Dora had grown and Margaret returned home to Australia. Actually,
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the sisters were planning to visit her in a few months. So, when she got this strange telegram that read, "Come SS
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Mara, May 8th, first class CLA." So, she assumed that it was a note informing her
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they would be arriving later than they expected because remember they already had a trip planned.
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>> Yeah. >> She would have set the note aside and probably forgotten all about it if it
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hadn't been for the strange phrasing. She wondered why Clare would have mentioned that they were traveling first
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class >> because she knew that the girls were she knew them practically their entire lives
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and they had never really been the type to flaunt their wealth. So it seemed out
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of character for Claire to mention that they were you know traveling in luxury >> being bougie.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. So unable to shake the strangers of the telegram, Margaret called the steamship company to inquire
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about the boat's arrival. And she was surprised to learn that the SS Marama wasn't sailing to Sydney, Australia on
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May 8th. It was sailing from Sydney to the United States. >> Oh, damn. >> So, she was still confused by the
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telegram, but she was sure it was some kind of indication that something was wrong and that Claire and Dora needed
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help. So, she booked the only ticket that she could on the boat as a third class passenger and left for Washington.
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>> What a badass. >> On May 8th, >> that's a that's somebody who loved them. When I say she's the closest thing to a
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mom they had. This woman was essentially their mother. >> Yeah. That's like love.
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>> Yeah. Big time. >> So, when she finally arrived in the US, Margaret was met by Sam Hazard at the
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train station. >> Oh, no. >> And they traveled by bus to Margaret's hotel in Seattle. It was during the bus
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ride that Sam told Margaret awful news. Claire had died. Holy [ __ ] So, she had
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just got this telegram from Cla. Couldn't shake it. Figured out that like something was up. Got there. And by the
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time she got there, Claire had already died. >> And according to >> She didn't even have any health problems
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before. >> No, no health problems. She starved to death. >> Wow. >> She literally starved to death.
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>> According to Sam and Linda, Claire's death had been caused by a quote course of drugs she had been given in
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childhood, which had quote shrunk her internal organs and caused cerosis of the liver. No. Yeah. By the time the
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sisters had reached the clinic, Linda said Cla's illness was too far advanced for the quote beautiful treatment to be
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of any use. Beautiful treatment. Yeah. So, when Margaret finally reached the mortuary where Cla's body was on
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display, she was shocked by what she saw. In death, a once vibrant young woman who she had known since childhood
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was a shadow of herself. Claire was alarmingly emaciated. There are photos if you do want to see. Yeah,
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>> it's horrible. >> And they're of her living. >> Yeah. >> Um and her features, like her face, her
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hands, the color of her hair, had all become distorted to the point that everything just looked wrong.
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>> Margaret did not recognize this girl. >> It's true. It's horrifying. >> Yeah. So, the horrifying revelations
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continued, unfortunately, once they arrived at Wilderness Heights, where Margaret was taken into Dora's room. To
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her horror, Dora looked like she also might die at any minute. >> Yeah. >> By that time, she weighed 50 pounds.
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Dora. >> Wow. >> And according to Love Joy, quote, "Her sitting bones protruding so sharply, she
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couldn't sit down without pain." >> Oh my god. >> So, she was so small that she couldn't
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sit down because her bones were protruding >> through her skin. >> [ __ ] And there's a picture of her, too.
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>> Yeah. >> Living obviously. And it is >> horrifying. No, it's scary to Margaret.
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Everything about what the hazards told her seemed wrong, though. She knew these girls since they were little, and she
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didn't remember them ever having any kind of medical treatment that would have caused chronic problems like they
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were saying. >> And although she wasn't a doctor, she could easily see that Dora was starving
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to death. >> Absolutely. >> And she suspected that Claire's death might have also been related to the
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treatments that she was getting from Linda Hazard. >> But despite all of that, Dora remained
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committed to staying with Linda in Washington. In fact, to Margaret's continued horror, even if Dora had
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wanted to leave Wilderness Heights, at that point, it seemed unlikely that she could because at some point during their
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time in Washington, both girls made Linda Hazard the executive of their estate. And Dora signed over power of
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attorney to Sam. You will never tell me that these people, the Hazards, are not [ __ ] diabolical evil [ __ ]
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>> Diabolical evil. You will never convince me. If that if they are having people
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sign over their estates and making them have power of attorney over their estates,
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>> you're [ __ ] evil. >> And just slowly killing people and watching them wither away. Like
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>> she's This is so like all forms of murder are obviously like unthinkable. >> This is such a different
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>> This is on another level. Like >> this is slow, methodical, prolonged torture.
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>> Yeah, >> it's [ __ ] >> So Margaret wants to do something, but she's technically a servant or what was
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considered a servant at that time. So she lacked the confidence or the authority to remove Dora from the
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sanitarium herself. >> She must have felt so helpless. >> She did, but she wasn't just going to
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leave Dora there to die. >> No way. So, it just seemed that she wasn't really a match for Linda Hazard
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because Linda was also known to have a very dominating personality. But in the days that followed, Margaret stayed in
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Washington and she just sat there trying to come up with a plan to save Dora. >> Margaret?
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>> Yeah, Margaret. >> Yeah, that's a real one. During that time, she was keeping in regular contact
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with the Hazards, too. And she started to notice some shocking things. It appeared since Cla's death that Linda
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and Sam had helped themselves to Claire's personal items, clothing, jewelry, just all of her stuff, which
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total nearly $6,000 then and would be over $200,000 today of personal belongings. They are evil [ __ ]
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[ __ ] Yep. >> Holy [ __ ] >> Mhm. And Oh, evil [ __ ] To add insult to injury, Linda Hazard even gave
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Margaret an update on Dora's condition while she was dressed in one of Cla's robes.
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>> Shut the [ __ ] up. >> Yeah, she's evil. >> No, she's truly evil. >> She's straight up evil.
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>> She I don't think she ever had the plot to begin with, but if she did, she lost
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the [ __ ] plot. >> That is evil. >> Evil. So knowing there was nothing she could do to help Dora herself, Margaret
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decided to reach out to the girl's uncle, John Herbert, who luckily lived in nearby Portland, Oregon at this time,
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when he received word he immediately traveled to Alala and was equally shocked to find Dora in the state she
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was in. But when he demanded that he be allowed to take her away, he was met with the same challenges that Margaret
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had run into. Dora was technically there of her own free will. And even if they argued that she was in no condition to
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make that decision for herself, Sam Hazard had power of attorney. >> Oh, yeah. They made sure they covered
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every base. >> Yeah. In the end, after much arguing, Herbert agreed to pay the Hazards $1,000
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in order to be allowed to remove Dora from Wilderness Heights and take her to a proper hospital. So, this is all about
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money. That's the thing. These are adults. The fact that they have to pay these people $1,000 to take another
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adult out of their care shows you how [ __ ] diabolical they are and shows you not only how diabolical that they
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are, but the fact that this is just all about money. It's all money. >> Yeah. The fact that she's wearing her uh
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Claire's clothing. >> Yeah. >> Like get the [ __ ] out of here. >> While she's sitting there telling a
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loved one about Cla's sister condition. >> Yeah. So, in the past, legal challenges to
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Linda's treatment had failed, like we know, because the prosecutor couldn't get past the protections that Linda and
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Sam were hiding behind. >> And it seemed like the death of Clare Williamson wasn't going to be any
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different. But this time, there was an element that Sam and Linda hadn't counted on. Claire and Dora Williamson
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weren't her typical patients. Nope. They were extremely wealthy. And while Dora herself might not have been able to
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mount a campaign to get any kind of justice, there were several other powerful people behind her who were now
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very eager to pursue this. >> Hell yeah. >> Yeah. Take them down. >> So the uncle John Herbert went to the
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district attorney to see what could be done about this. And he received the same answer that everybody else had. We
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really can't do anything about this. But he was like, "Yeah, [ __ ] that. >> [ __ ] that."
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>> So after getting nowhere with the district attorney, he went to the British consulate.
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>> Hell yeah. and sought the advice of counselor Lucian Agassi. And after doing some digging, Agassi discovered the
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large number of deaths connected to the hazards and the suspicious detail that several of those patients had signed
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over their estates to Hazard right before they died. >> Exact. You can't ignore that.
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>> Not even immediately, right before they died. Which goes to show you she's starving these people to tell them that
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they're going to be cured of their ailments, but they're getting so foggy in their mind because they have no
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[ __ ] sustenance. >> Exactly. >> That they're like, "Oh, yeah." Like, "Okay, I'll sign." That's it's part of
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torture. Like that's literally part of torture is like lack of sleep, which is going to come with being starved.
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Starvation like like deprivation of all those things that you need because it makes you loopy and will make you either
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say things you don't actually mean. Yep. or signing away things that you don't know what you're even signing.
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>> Exactly. Like they did they were diabolical with this. They really were. >> They were diabolical and methodical.
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Very methodical. So obviously the problem was in order to push for an investigation, Agassi would need a
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living victim to make a complaint and Dora wasn't in any condition to do so. She weighs 50 [ __ ] pounds at this
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time and she's sitting in a hospital bed. But luckily within a few days he ended up finding the wife of a man who
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almost died at Wilderness Heights and the two of them were willing to make a complaint.
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>> Yes. Was girls. >> On August 6th, 1911, Linda Hazard was finally arrested this time for
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manslaughter. Good in the death of Clare Williamson and she was placed in a holding cell in Seattle. She told a
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reporter, "I'll get $10,000 bail. All right. The doctors have been angry because I've been successful with my
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cure. And when Clare died, they thought they had a great chance to get me out of
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the way, but they won't do it. Oh, go [ __ ] yourself. Also charged in connection with the case was er
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Butterworth, the owner of a local mortuary, who was alleged to help Linda cover up their crimes.
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>> Er Butterworth emergency. >> You don't You don't deserve that last name. >> No, you don't. That's a cool name.
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>> Sweet like syrup. >> No, you're gross. You're the meanest. Rude. I'm too tired. She had food poisoning
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and I'm in the middle of this story. Okay. >> Yeah. So, [ __ ] that. >> So, after her arrest, Linda and Sam did
00:24:02
everything they could to dominate and control the narrative. She said that Dora was mentally incompetent. She
00:24:07
claimed that Clare explicitly asked the Hazards to take over care of Dora once she was gone and even signed over the
00:24:13
estate to cover any costs associated with Dor. Cla wanted this. She said, >> "Oh, yeah."
00:24:18
>> She said, "Cla wanted to be sure I would be paid for my services if she died."
00:24:23
>> Okay. Are you kidding me? >> Yeah. She even gives a [ __ ] about that. >> Yeah.
00:24:27
>> After I die, I don't care what happens. >> I don't give a [ __ ] >> I don't care what happens to you.
00:24:31
>> And also, I doubt Claire said that. Even if she did, she was delirious because
00:24:34
she was starving. >> Yes. >> But of course, Linda even tried her usual tactic of domination during the
00:24:41
grand jury, but it proved ineffective on them. They were like, "Yeah, we're not starving, and we think you're an
00:24:45
asshole." >> During Dora's testimony, she eventually became well enough where she could give
00:24:50
testimony. She gave detailed descriptions of the horrors that she and her sister suffered at the hands of
00:24:56
Linda and Sam. And during that, Linda would quote blaze hate and defiance at the at her prosecutor, her voice shrill
00:25:03
and high ringing through the courtroom. >> Oh, she must have been such Yeah, she
00:25:08
was definitely >> Oh, I can just hear it. Definitely doineering. But after hearing the extent
00:25:13
of her of the testimony and witnessing Linda's behavior, she really didn't do herself any favors there. No. The judge
00:25:18
allowed the case to move forward to trial. >> Hell yeah. So, the trial started on
00:25:22
January 15th, 1912 to a courtroom packed with curious spectators and the hazards
00:25:28
critics who had been around for years at this point just [ __ ] waiting for something to happen.
00:25:33
>> Among the 39 witnesses planned by the defense, more than a quarter were medical experts who would testify the
00:25:40
harm caused by Linda's fasting program. The state's case was led by Thomas Stevenson, and it was pretty simple. It
00:25:46
was designed to demonstrate criminal intent rather than just negligence alone. Yeah. Because this isn't just
00:25:52
negligence. >> No. Once you It's like >> pure criminal intent. >> It's like we've been saying all along,
00:25:56
once you get the bunny into this Yeah. It's clear what you were doing. >> It's clear what was happening.
00:26:01
>> And he argued that. He said Linda and Sam Hazard lured the two young women to
00:26:05
Washington with the intention of swindling them out of their inheritance and just allowing them to starve to
00:26:10
death. The defense, on the other hand, had nearly twice as many witnesses, but mostly uh patients who had received care
00:26:17
from Linda and would provide a counternarrative about how their lives had been saved thanks to her.
00:26:22
>> Oh, stop. >> Which most hadn't. No. >> The most compelling testimony came a few
00:26:26
days into the trial when Dora Williamson told her story of life under Liza Linda
00:26:31
Hazard's care. She told the jury, "I was quite well before going to Washington, except for a slight attack of
00:26:36
indigestion, and I am, as a rule, very healthy." Clare was also very well except for a weakness peculiar peculiar
00:26:42
to a woman which had troubled her for more or less than 5 years. And she went on to explain that Linda's methods were
00:26:49
unlike anything she had ever experienced and involved quote unquote vigorous slapping.
00:26:56
>> Oh yeah. >> Starvation and hydrotherapies where female patients were bathed by young
00:27:01
male attendants. >> Oh, so now we're getting even worse here. >> Yeah. >> Cool, Linda.
00:27:06
>> Yep. According to Dora, the sisters told Linda that they were planning to leave
00:27:11
in late April or early May and that they had intended to go on a visit with their
00:27:15
former governness in Australia. And Dora said she told us that her treatment would do us a great deal of good and
00:27:21
that we would be wonderfully benefited. But it became clear to both of them that
00:27:25
things at Wilderness Heights were not what they expected them to be. And that was when Dora said, "I began to live in
00:27:31
fear of Dr. Hazard. Often she was harsh and unkind to me, especially when I cried because of my weakness. Oh my god,
00:27:38
what an [ __ ] Yeah, what an [ __ ] And what a scary individual. What an Linda Hazard. You're an [ __ ]
00:27:49
>> Cross off, doctor. Linda Hazard. Nobody. >> Quack quack Linda Hazard. >> Quack quack [ __ ]
00:27:56
>> Like you suck. >> [ __ ] Like harsh because they're crying because she's torturing them. Like
00:28:04
what the [ __ ] >> You have to be I'm not shocked though. Didn't she like abandon her children?
00:28:08
She just like had no intention of taking it away. >> Who knows what happened to her first?
00:28:12
>> See any instinct of being kind to another human being there? >> No. >> So testimony was also offered by the
00:28:18
girl's uncle, John Herbert, who told the jury that he had serious concerns that the body in Cla's coffin wasn't even her
00:28:24
body. >> Whoa. >> Wasn't even her. >> Whoa. Oh, he told the jury the body in the coffin did not resemble Claire. In
00:28:30
Cla's in life, Clare's hair was brown. The being in the coffin had hair and eyelashes of a lighter hue.
00:28:36
>> The being in the coffin. >> The being in the coffin. And so they So her hair is lighter now.
00:28:41
>> Her hair was lighter. And remember, uh, Margaret said that, too. >> [ __ ] Maybe it wasn't.
00:28:47
>> It might not have been. And if you think about it, she had to deal with somebody
00:28:50
at the mortuary. >> Yeah. Yeah. They might have just been >> Oh, damn. I think they were doing that.
00:28:56
Yeah, >> that makes sense. >> But it's also like why? >> That's the thing. I'm like, where is
00:29:01
she? >> Where is she? >> Did she look worse? >> Probably. >> Like, there might have been evidence of
00:29:05
more abuse. >> Absolutely. >> I think so. >> Yeah. >> But he also explained that he was
00:29:10
prevented from taking Dora away from Wilderness Heights by the Hazards, who managed to get her to sign over power of
00:29:15
attorney, and how he expected suspected them of having stolen much of their wealth with a plan to steal more once
00:29:22
Dora died. >> Hell yeah. >> They got half of that inheritance. And remember, she was Dora was 50 lbs when
00:29:28
somebody finally >> got working on that. >> As expected, the defense denied the charges against Linda, offering several
00:29:35
witnesses, many of whom worked at the sanitarium. >> Yeah, that's not a conflict of interest.
00:29:39
>> Hello. And they testified that the young women were not being starved or mistreated. One nurse told the jury, "We
00:29:46
felt sometimes that we were being we were even giving the patient too much food."
00:29:50
>> Wow. Let's look into your background, too. Now, one extra cup of tomato. >> Are you [ __ ] kidding me right now?
00:29:56
>> That's really going to That's going to tick them over. >> How do they find this many [ __ ]
00:30:01
[ __ ] to work in one place and sit there and be like, "Yeah, I thought I was overfeeding them." When this grown
00:30:06
woman is 50 lbs. >> It's insane. It's insane. >> And people are dying left and right of
00:30:11
being starved to death. And you're like, "I thought I was overfeeding them." >> How did they find you?
00:30:16
>> How did you all find each other? >> [ __ ] You can't even like conceive of it.
00:30:21
>> No, I can't. I can't conceive of that way of thinking. I really >> that I've never met anybody who's
00:30:25
capable of this. >> I know. It's so scary. >> But the defense wasn't just looking to
00:30:29
reject the charges. They were actually looking to frame Linda as a victim of the state. She was the victim here.
00:30:35
>> Oh, yeah. >> According to them, she had offered life-saving treatments to patients who
00:30:39
suffered longterm from previously untreatable illnesses. And for that, she was being persecuted by the medical
00:30:46
industry. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Call the Wambbulance. It's cuz she's not part of the medical industry.
00:30:53
>> Exactly. If you want to be part of the medical industry, go get your [ __ ] degree.
00:30:56
>> Yeah. You're a scam artist. You're not doing [ __ ] medically. >> But she and her defense attorney
00:31:00
explained that Clare had not died from starvation, but from a previous illness, so it was impossible to hold Linda
00:31:06
accountable for something when it was well beyond her control. Wrong answer. Thomas Stevenson had
00:31:12
expected the tactics used by Hazard's lawyer, and he was ready for cross-examination. And not only did he
00:31:18
highlight the ways where the defense uh the defense's witness's testimony was directly contradicted by the evidence,
00:31:24
he also accused several of them of having been coached by Linda in terms of what to tell the jury.
00:31:29
>> Yeah. In the in the case of Watson Webb, a patient and sometimes assistant at
00:31:34
Wilderness Heights, it was revealed that he had been instructed to form friendships with other patients to get
00:31:40
personal and sensitive information from them, which could later be used to keep them compliant.
00:31:46
What else do you need to know? >> Yeah. >> What else? >> Yeah. By the >> Oh, they're so [ __ ] evil.
00:31:53
>> And so, and again, so methodical. >> And the worst part is these are they are
00:31:57
praying on people who are suffering >> and suffering >> like desperate in pain, sick, and just
00:32:05
like desperate to feel better. >> Yep. >> And they're having like they're going this far into manipulating and torturing
00:32:11
and hurting these people and scamming them like money. What the [ __ ] >> How you?
00:32:17
>> And she claims that her whole thing was that she wanted people to be relieved
00:32:21
from these. >> You didn't want that [ __ ] at all. >> It's like, no, you didn't.
00:32:24
>> You wanted their money. >> Exactly. By the beginning of February, though, both sides had rested their case
00:32:29
and prepared for closing statements. And Stevenson told the jury, "This case is of unusual significance. We are not here
00:32:36
to avenge the death of Clare Williamson, but to protect the public, not only from
00:32:40
Mrs. Hazard, but from others like her. There are other Clare Williamsons all over the US who may fall into the
00:32:46
clutches of a woman such as this. When Dorothia and Clare first came to Mrs. Hazard, she thought they were just
00:32:52
ordinary patients coming to be plucked. But when she found out they were women of great means, and she had them in her
00:32:58
power, she developed the criminal intent. She allowed Clare to die friendless and alone. But she could not
00:33:03
get rid of Dora. So she did the next best thing. She had herself appointed as Dora's guardian.
00:33:08
>> Yeah, she's evil. She's a monster. She is. As expected, Linda's lawyer, Ed, she
00:33:14
has a thing for like E. Uh, Carr, argued against nearly everything the prosecution said. He told
00:33:22
the jury, "The real reason for this prosecution is that Mrs. Hazard is not a college graduate. Her offense consists
00:33:28
of not having been educated in the school of hard knocks." Take every single [ __ ] seat in the courtroom,
00:33:34
sir. Like, >> shut up. >> Every single [ __ ] seat. This is not a snobby. She doesn't have her medical
00:33:39
license and that's why we're mad. She's literally actively torturing and killing
00:33:44
and starving people and stealing their money. >> And it's being proven. >> Like, can we not pretend that we're just
00:33:49
poor [ __ ] Linda didn't get a degree. Stop. Shut the [ __ ] up. >> Stop it. It's also been proven at this
00:33:54
point that she's coached her witnesses on her side of the thing and that she hired people to get personal information
00:34:02
to use and hold over the heads of people she Exactly. Like we're really pretending.
00:34:08
Poor [ __ ] Linda. She didn't get she didn't get a [ __ ] degree. >> Yeah, >> too bad.
00:34:12
>> I think it's okay. >> Be so for real. >> Be so for real right now. >> Holy [ __ ]
00:34:16
>> He went on to address the charges though, saying she's lost some patience. But where is the physician who is not
00:34:22
>> indeed punishment, should it be necessary at all, could be handled by the market itself. If she isn't doing
00:34:27
good, her practice will dwindle and she will have to go back to that garden. >> Wow. Yeah.
00:34:34
>> I I'm like speechless. >> Okie dokie. Cool. Anyway, the jury deliberated for 20 hours, which is far
00:34:39
too long in my opinion, before emerging to finally find Linda Hazard guilty of manslaughter.
00:34:44
>> Bye. >> In fact, when the jury was pulled, five members were in favor actually of
00:34:51
finding her guilty of first-degree murder. >> I would have been counted among those
00:34:54
five to be quite honest. >> Same. I would have been counted among all five. Me, I would have been all
00:34:58
five. >> Would have taken up all five of them. >> Yeah. But unfortunately, they were in
00:35:02
the minority minority. So, the lesser charge was applied. At least there's a [ __ ] charge that
00:35:07
>> Thank goodness there's a charge, but like kind of kooky that it wasn't a higher charge.
00:35:10
>> Truly, when the verdict was read, Linda had a complete breakdown in the courtroom.
00:35:14
>> Get the [ __ ] over it, Linda. >> And she was removed. This is so interesting to me. She was removed from
00:35:18
the courtroom and placed in the home of a local woman who had been approved to care for female prisoners between
00:35:24
verdict and sentencing. >> I have never heard of that. >> I have never heard of that. And who
00:35:30
applies for that? >> Very interested in that. I feel like that would be so many implications come
00:35:36
with that. >> Absolutely. >> Like, are you going to hold me hostage? >> Who's this local woman?
00:35:39
>> She's brave. >> Someone should interview her. >> Brazen. In fact, >> she's she's she's probably [ __ ] she's
00:35:46
probably like a brick [ __ ] house. Like, don't go with her. >> She's got to be >> like you got like she she can kick your
00:35:51
ass. I guarantee you she's not scared of anything. >> Yeah. She's not she's not little or
00:35:55
frail frail >> or flail >> or flail. >> She won't flail in. She's not frail. quote unquote prayer quote unquote.
00:36:00
>> I've I've lost the ability to speak. I don't >> The same me as well. >> I'm just very interested in this local
00:36:07
woman. >> I know. No, so was I. We need to give her a backstory. I need to learn more
00:36:11
about her. Local woman. Who are you? Who are you? >> Show yourself. So later that day,
00:36:17
reporters were told that Linda was in no condition to speak. Oh no. >> Us either.
00:36:22
>> Poor Linda. >> So her husband Sam spoke on her behalf. Sam told them that her collapse, quote,
00:36:29
resulted from the shock of the verdict since Linda had been fully confident that she would be acquitted. Oh no, it
00:36:35
was the consequences of her very [ __ ] up actions. >> Can you imagine? >> So sad for her.
00:36:40
>> He added, the most unfortunate thing was the statement made in court tonight that
00:36:44
Mrs. Hazard is at the end of her rope financially. She has ample funds as soon as she can get at them.
00:36:49
>> Yeah. She stole them from the people that she's been starving to death. Exactly. I also love that he was like
00:36:53
the most upsetting thing was that they said she was poor. >> Yeah, they said she didn't have a lot of
00:36:57
money. She has so much money from those dead people. Like damn. Like Jesus Christ, Sam, get it together. Get it
00:37:02
fully together. But of course, true to form, with his wife facing a very lengthy jail sentence, his biggest
00:37:08
concern was the insinuation that they were poor. Yeah. Unreal. >> Yeah, he doesn't give a [ __ ] He's like,
00:37:12
"We are not poor." A few days later, Linda Hazard was back before the judge where she was sentenced between 2 and 20
00:37:18
years of hard labor at the state penitentiary in Walaw Wala, which is a fun place to say.
00:37:24
>> Walaw Wala. >> And her license to practice medicine in Washington was permanently revoked.
00:37:29
>> Bye. >> Bye, [ __ ] >> I also love her husband was also like he's like, "How dare you say we're poor
00:37:35
because now I won't be able to get lots of ladies cuz they're going to think I'm
00:37:39
poor." Like, that was his only thought there. >> I'm not poor. It was not even like,
00:37:42
"Don't say my wife is poor." It was like, "Don't [ __ ] say I'm poor." >> Yeah. Don't spread that around.
00:37:47
>> Don't put that around. I'm I'm going to go out and date. She's gone for a while.
00:37:52
I'm out. >> My girl's at hard labor. >> Yeah, that's Sam for you. >> Exactly. He was out anyway, even the
00:37:57
whole time they were married. >> So, Linda would maintain her innocence forever. He claimed that she had always
00:38:03
been working in the best interest of her patients. >> Babe, no one believes that.
00:38:06
>> Was that when you were vigorously slapping them? >> Yeah. None among us. She would say that
00:38:10
death was to be expected in a sanitarium and in fact she had lost far fewer patients than most surgeons. She has
00:38:16
some she has some gall insane complex about actual medical professionals that I like I'm like you
00:38:26
should stop because it's so obvious how jealous you are and how inferior you feel to actual medical professionals.
00:38:34
Like you should stop. You got to stop. girl. She's like, "Surgeons kill people all the time."
00:38:39
>> It's like, "And so do you." >> They're not starving people, though. >> No, they're not.
00:38:42
>> It's a little different. >> They are actively trying to save people's lives. >> There are accidents.
00:38:46
>> Yeah. >> And there are >> And then there's straight up starvation. >> Yeah. >> And u vigorously slapping people and
00:38:52
giving them hours long enemas through them passing out. >> Young female patients to be bathed by
00:38:59
male attendants. Like, let's let's not Do you want to keep talking about surgeons some more?
00:39:04
>> She did. She sure did. >> She said any financial compensation she received directly or indirectly was
00:39:11
merely to cover the cost of patients healthcare >> or given as thanks for having provided
00:39:16
them relief where others had failed. >> Of course, >> doctors had failed. >> You should always tip your doctor for
00:39:23
saving their life. Saving your life. >> Yeah, totally. That's how that works. >> Yeah. As a show of commitment to her own
00:39:28
treatment, she frequently spent long periods fasting in her cell in Walaw Wala in order to prove the value of the
00:39:35
practice. >> Go ahead, girl. >> Yeah, go ahead, girl. Go ahead. Get down. >> Linda Hazard was released on parole on
00:39:41
December 26th, 1915 after serving only two years. What the [ __ ] >> Two years. Yep. For reasons that remain
00:39:51
unclear, everybody. Just one year after her release, the governor at the time, Ernest Listister, gave her a full
00:39:59
pardon. She got a full pardon. What was going on with them? Big things. What was going on?
00:40:10
>> That was my immediate thought as well. >> What the [ __ ] was going on with them?
00:40:14
>> Luckily though, he was unable to return her medical license. >> Later, what the [ __ ] is wrong with you?
00:40:21
Yeah, something was definitely going on. >> Why? Why give this random hoe a a full
00:40:27
literally like I'm sorry. I would I reserve those words for for women like this.
00:40:33
>> Yeah. What? What? Like I I need to That's one of those times when you go you come out here and
00:40:40
you explain you explain to me >> they was fuking. >> You explain to me why the [ __ ] you are
00:40:46
not only fully pardoning her. Are you kidding me? But two trying and failing to get her medical license back.
00:40:53
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Come on. >> Yeah. >> Come on. If you weren't [ __ ] That's canon now cuz what? You made it
00:41:01
certainly seem like you were. >> You made it so weird. >> There is no conceivable reason.
00:41:06
>> Earnest. Be real right now. >> Truly earnest. >> You were not earnest. >> No.
00:41:10
>> So later that year, Linda and Sam moved to New Zealand. Probably cuz Sam was like, "I can cheat on you, but you can't
00:41:15
cheat on me." >> Yeah. No. And she continued to promote herself as a doctor there and offered
00:41:20
services as an osteopath and a dietician. Wow. Yeah. Awesome. When the authorities in Auckland became aware of
00:41:26
the fact that she did not have an actual license and was not even a doctor, she was arrested again and fined in a scene
00:41:32
that was reminiscent of her early days of practicing in Minnesota. >> Awesome. >> Home girl just spent forever in jail.
00:41:37
>> Yeah. >> But not long enough at all. In 1920, she and Sam moved back to Alala, Washington,
00:41:43
where she was determined to rebuild her sanitarium. >> Girl, give it up. >> Where she d what she dubbed a school for
00:41:50
health. Give it up. >> She didn't. >> Name it what it is. >> And there she continued to treat
00:41:56
patients through a quote unquote variety of alternative health practices, which remained a legal practice thanks to the
00:42:03
various loopholes in law. >> Cool. >> Yeah. >> Awesome. She oversaw operations of the
00:42:09
institute until 1935. Would it burn to the ground due to unknown causes? >> I don't know if those causes are
00:42:18
completely unknown. Everybody, >> it burned to the ground. >> I'm going to go out on a limb
00:42:24
and say the causes are not entirely unknown. >> One thing about me is I love that.
00:42:30
>> One thing about me is that's karma. >> One thing about me is as long as no one
00:42:34
is hurt, >> Yeah. that's a-ok. Okay. >> Yeah. Get everybody out. See that building burn.
00:42:40
>> Yeah. >> Bye. >> Bye. >> Then in her early 70s, Linda's health began to fail.
00:42:45
>> Oh no. But she knows how to fix it. Thank goodness. >> Yeah. She turned to the same treatments
00:42:50
that she once provided her patients. >> Yeah. She has a miracle cure. >> Long periods fasting in the hope of
00:42:55
curing herself. >> Cool. >> But in the end, those hopes were dashed. >> What? >> On June 24th, 1938, in the most ironic
00:43:02
twist of fate, Linda Hazard died from starvation. Linda Hazard died from her miracle cure,
00:43:14
which was really just starvation. That's that's that's pros. Period. That's that's just that's just period.
00:43:24
>> Yeah, >> that's what that is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, you you reap what you sew,
00:43:30
my friend. >> Sure do. >> You starved other people claiming it was a miracle cure. You stole their [ __ ]
00:43:35
stole all their [ __ ] lied to their family members. >> Yeah. >> Possibly working with a corrupt
00:43:41
mortician. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And the saddest thing is nobody even knows how many people died under
00:43:48
her care because not everything was documented. >> Yeah. >> And she got she got away with it a lot.
00:43:54
>> That's why she was doing it. >> That's why she continued to do it. >> So that is the story of Linda Hazard and
00:44:00
her [ __ ] up life. That is horrifying. >> The fact that she died of starvation though is just like full circ.
00:44:10
>> That's I mean I just I could never >> I could absolutely never >> I could never.
00:44:17
>> No. >> I just can't I can't I can't imagine any of this. I literally can't imagine any
00:44:22
of this. And again, the knowing that these people were like literally desperate to just feel even slightly
00:44:29
better. >> Yeah. And they went to this place thinking that it was someone who genuinely wanted to help them feel
00:44:36
better. And they put all their faith and all their, you know, everything into them and all their trust. And these
00:44:42
people were the worst [ __ ] people. >> Yeah. This was a nightmare facility. >> Like to go through chronic pain, chronic
00:44:50
illness, whatever they were going through, and then get to this place and be literally starved and tortured.
00:44:55
>> That's the thing. That's even more pain and suffering that they dealt with on
00:44:59
top of whatever conditions they have. >> Like while they're already feeling horrible. Now they're being tortured and
00:45:05
starved on top of it and abused like hit. >> Yeah. >> And [ __ ] like what this whole I had
00:45:13
never heard of this before. This shook me to my core. I had heard something very
00:45:20
I don't remember where I heard it, but I heard like a super quick like thing about it once and I was like, "What is
00:45:25
that about?" >> It's messed up. >> Yeah. It's just so sad. I just don't know how people are capable of these
00:45:31
things. I really don't. >> Yeah. >> That's crazy. >> Do something kind today. >> Yeah.
00:45:39
>> Truly. >> Don't Don't be a [ __ ] bag. Don't hurt people. >> Don't hurt people. Hurt people.
00:45:44
>> It's true. >> And you're not hurt. You're not. You're fine. You're doing great.
00:45:48
>> You're good. You're awesome. I believe in you. >> You're going to be doing awesome things.
00:45:53
>> Yeah. Go get yourself a treat. >> Yeah. I had a donut this morning. >> Get yourself a treat.
00:45:57
>> Yeah. Whatever a treat is to you, get it. >> Yeah. It can be anything. >> Anything.
00:46:02
>> Yeah. If you think a [ __ ] bowl of strawberries is a treat, go get a treat. >> A bowl of strawberries is a treat.
00:46:07
>> It is. Especially fresh strawberries. >> Fresh strawberries. You put a little bit
00:46:11
of sugar on top >> or a little whipped cream. >> [ __ ] you took the words out of my
00:46:15
mouth. >> Yeah. Go get yourself a little treat >> and then just you know what on top of
00:46:20
angel food cake. >> Oh, >> just make it a strawberry shortcake. >> I'll do that. Okay, we're leaving you on
00:46:26
that. >> We love you and we hope you keep listening >> and we hope you >> keep it weird. But not as weird as Linda
00:46:34
and her Starvation Heights [ __ ] project from Nightmares. Yeah, she sucks. She is a cuckoo [ __ ]
00:46:40
>> So does Sam. >> Oh, Sam's the suck. >> Everybody's horrible in this. No, nobody's good except Margaret and
00:46:48
>> Uncle and Uncle. >> Yeah. And Uncle Herbert. >> Uncle. Uncle. >> Uncle Herbert.
00:46:59
>> Uncle Herbert that to the rescue. >> Uncle Herbert. >> Oh man. [Music] [Music]
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