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Ready? Hold on. What if I started every episode like that? I mean, do what you got to do.
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>> Whatever it takes. >> You think you'd get over it? >> I think I would just tolerate it.
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>> Okay. You know. >> All right. Are we going? >> Whatever you feel. >> Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash.
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>> And I'm Elena. And this is Morbid. I feel like you should just leave that in as the beginning of the bonus
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episode. Yeah, I was just slapping my own face to get ready to record this. >> Slapping and screaming. Slapping and
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screaming. It's my motto. Wow. >> Mikey said, "Girl, don't make that your motto."
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>> He said, "Girl, back it up." It's a bonus episode, so we're leaving all of this in.
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>> Yeah. All the kookiness is probably going to still be in here. >> Yeah. We're coming off of the most
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wonderful week. >> Yeah, it's been a great week. >> No one could even attempt to hurt my
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feelings right now. >> And they have. >> They sure have. And it hasn't worked. You can go [ __ ] yourself because I met
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Andy Cohen, [ __ ] >> And Kelly Ripa, >> and they were both so sweet. >> And we were in the This This will haunt
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me until the day I die. Alex Cooper, if you're listening. >> Yeah. That would be crazy. Um, we were
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in the same room as Alex Cooper and I didn't [ __ ] realize it because she was just about to go out on stage. We
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just did this big thing with Sirius. It was like the advertising upfront. So, there's all these like presentations
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that we got to be a part of. We got to meet some other people who work at Sirius.
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>> I'm essentially co-workers with Andy Cohen now. >> Yeah. >> Mikey brought that to my attention this
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morning. But yeah, we were in this like little green room with so many cool people and Alex Cooper was one of them
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and I didn't see that she was in there cuz I think I was getting fitted for like a microphone.
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>> Yeah. >> I will regret that moment until the day I go into the grove. >> And here's the thing, I saw I heard Alex
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Cooper first cuz like you know her voice. >> Yeah. >> And then I looked over and she was
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getting like touched up. >> Yeah. you don't want to interrupt. >> And I got like I was like I don't know
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what to say to her cuz like I was like damn >> boss ass [ __ ] I have been daddy very
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sweet. I could see she was very sweet to like everyone around her. So >> yeah and her presentation was so good.
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>> Yeah. A+ behavior. >> I have been daddy gang since day one. >> Yeah, you have.
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>> And I will be daddy gang until I die. >> I was a later later uh convert. >> You were a later daddy.
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>> But I'm I'm I'm there. Well, hopefully there's another event where we can meet
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Alex Cooper and apologize for not, you know, bowing down to her greatness the first time we met her.
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>> Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Sirius, it was a [ __ ] blast with them. We love >> Sirius was the goddamn move.
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>> Yeah, we we love everyone we're working with right now. It's been really great
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and you guys have been had such cool responses to it. And I can you guys can feel it as well. And you've been telling
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us that and thank you for telling us that cuz it's nice to know that what we feel on the inside is coming out in the
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podcast. >> Um we're very happy. We're very happy at work. >> It feels so it it feels so good.
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>> That's so This is a little side tangent for the It feels so good. >> It's a bonus episode. So it's loose and
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it's goose. We are going to get to something crazy, but we we're going to banter for a bit. There's um this, you
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know, this is where we can go on our tangents. >> Uh when we got home from a vacation, we
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have like a whiteboard in our kitchen that we like put all the school things on and all that. And uh one of my kids
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wrote on the whiteboard, it feels good to be home. >> F L E L S, >> which feels good.
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>> First of all, writing it feels good to be home is the most adorable thing ever
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cuz I'm pretty sure she was like seven. Yeah, she was she did that. >> She was young. And then but she wrote
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fleas and we have literally put a border around it on the whiteboard and it's been there for years now to be erased
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and I will not allow anyone to erase it. I'm probably going to take like a saw and saw that portion of the
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>> Yeah, like an X-Acto knife. >> I need to keep it forever and it's and it's like dry erase marker so I'm very
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scared. If you guys have any tips on how to keep that from >> Do you think >> smearing?
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>> Could you laminate it? That's I don't know how to do it without like smooshing
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it or making it run or anything. So, if you guys have tips, >> maybe you could go over it with like
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permanent marker or something. We're both looking at Mikey like Mikey, what would be
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>> I know. I looked at Mikey like I bet you know. >> Mikey's a ci. But we'll we'll figure it out. If you
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guys have any tips, I would love them because I do want to keep my It feels good to be home forever. Oh, it feel it
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feels so good to be home. >> Um just give it to her when she's like 18 for like a graduation present.
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>> The first time she comes home from college >> and just be like, "Here you go. Does it
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still feel so good? >> Here's this chunk of our whiteboard from when you were >> She's sentimental. She's very
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sentimental. She would love it. She'd cry. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's my girl right there.
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>> Yeah. But this weekend was incredible. What else is going on? >> Still dealing with the uh Golden Globes
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of it all. >> Still just dealing with that. >> Still just reeling from that. >> Crazy. Yeah. We're going to submit our
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application pretty soon. >> Yeah. See if we can make it into the nomination pool. But either way,
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>> for me, even if we just get first of all, this is plenty. >> Just being on the short list is
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>> being on the short list. >> A win for me. >> And being able to say multiple times
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this past week, like at different presentations like, yeah, you know, like we're eligible to be nominated.
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>> It's like astric asteric. >> But even if we got nominated, that would also be enough for me.
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>> Oh, that's a win. >> Everything is enough for me. >> So far, a win-winwin for me. Like
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doesn't matter what happens after this. I'm pretty happy. And this is just my anxiety talking, but are are you ever
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terrified when things are so good that you're like, >> "Oh, is everything okay?"
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>> 140%. Yes. >> In the back of my mind, I'm like, "Things are like really really
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>> No, but you just got to keep manifesting it and you got to keep being thankful
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for it." >> Oh, I It's all about being grateful. >> I think that's really like a big thing.
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I thank the universe every single day for every Yeah. >> What are you just jingle over there for?
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>> Never take it for granted. I thank the universe every day for Mikey's jingle jingles.
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>> I do too. Thank you for Mikey's jingle jingles, universe. >> Thank you for Mikey, universe. Period.
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>> Truly. Thank you for Mikey, universe. >> Oh, yeah. But yeah, I think it's I think
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it really is just never take it for granted. >> No, >> you know, you never know what can happen
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to Maro. Also, we learned a Tik Tok dance this weekend, and a lot of you were genuinely so surprised at Elena's
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ability to tell the truth with her hips, which I did not know if I should take a
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compliment or an insult, but I'm just kidding. Uh, but yeah, I I I guess I can learn a dance.
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>> It was so funny. After >> the first day in New York, it was like this whirlwind of a day, which was like
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so cool. Like, we met all the cool people and everything. And then we were going to go I was like, we should go out
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to dinner. like I'm on such a high right now. I literally felt like I was on drugs. Like I was like I feel so
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wonderful. We got home. I'm facetiming Drew telling him like how cool the day was and I'm like yeah we're going to go
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out to dinner and it's going to be awesome. And I sat down and I'm like I don't really want to go out to dinner. I
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kind of just want to hang here. And Elena comes in my room. She's like hey so like what do you think if we just
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like ordered food and like hung out? Maybe watched Lagouna Beach. I was like I'm in.
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>> You're like I'm in. And then we proceeded to get Chinese food and pizza, >> which both were great.
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>> Oh my god. Wherever we got Chinese food from in New York, we need to order. Great.
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>> And the pizza was really good because it was so good. >> Yeah. [ __ ] was just lit.
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>> We just got in our sweats. >> I got my Halloween PJs. >> Yeah. We just like there were parties
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happening. There were all kinds of We didn't go out to dinner. We just said, "No,
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>> no. We're going to stay in this hotel room. We're going to watch some old episodes of Laguna Beach.
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>> Oh my god. >> And we're going to learn a Tik Tok dance." We specifically like you will
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film it and he did and I need you guys to know that that was our first take. >> Yeah, I'm pretty proud of that after
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learning it. It was our first take. So that's why I look so focused. Okay. >> So we were messing around with the
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lighting and the other takes. But um because I'm getting old every further take that was happening after that I was
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getting more and more tired. So it wasn't it wasn't great. >> I disagree. I think they were good.
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>> I appreciate that. But >> but the first one was definitely the best. When we changed the lighting in
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the later ones, we there were like all kinds of little orb things floating around which is like ooh ghosties.
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>> Yeah. I slept really good in the hotel the first night, but then the second night I think it was haunted for sure.
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>> Yeah. You kept hearing creaking, right? I was hearing lots of creaking and it
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was freaking me out cuz there was like a [ __ ] ton of windows in the room and there were so many drapes and all I
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could think of I woke up at like 3:00 a.m. and all I could think of was uh the story that I told about the alien
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abduction where she was like I forgot to look behind the drapes. >> Oh my god. >> And I was like I didn't look behind any
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of these drapes. What if there's an alien? >> Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. >> I know there wasn't luckily but yeah
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that's how we like >> that's how we roll in New York. >> Yeah. We can handle like a little bit of
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excitement and then we are in our PJs. >> I feel like >> ordering pizza. >> Some I sometimes I say that I'm an
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introverted extrovert but I think I'm becoming more of an introvert who just has to be extroverted sometimes.
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>> That's what I am. >> Yeah. >> I'm one I'm for sure an introvert and then but I know that my job requires me
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to be an extrovert sometimes so I can pull it out. Yeah. >> And it's the people that are around me
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at my job. Like our live shows require me to be an extrovert, but then the energy in the room kind of feeds that
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and makes it easier. >> And then like meeting you guys afterwards >> is always so fun.
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>> It's so easy to be an extrovert there cuz you guys are just fun to meet and hang out.
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>> But then I do like I fully agree with that. But then I do need to recharge. >> Oh, and my recharging it was so funny.
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Um, we were so we had just got home from New York and then we had to we or got to
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I should say got to go to the Two Girls One Go show which was so much fun. Sabrina and Garin know how to put on a
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[ __ ] show. >> They're so [ __ ] good. >> I love them. And we were to So we got to
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be guests for that and I was getting ready for it and it was so funny. Drew goes, "You literally did I was sitting
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down doing my makeup." He's like, "You didn't say a word to me the entire time you were getting ready for that." And
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then you were just like, "Okay, I love you. Bye." >> Just recharging. I was like, "Yeah,
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>> I was I was at my charging block." >> It's so true. >> Yeah. It's just how it is sometimes.
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>> Yeah. You guys feel us. But yeah, so it's been a whirlwind of a week and >> and you guys have been like really
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supportive and awesome. Like everybody's just been like hyping us up. Like you guys have been really cool.
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>> I love you guys. >> And you know, there's always a couple [ __ ] but you know, we we eradicate
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them from the bunch. >> We do. Sometimes they delete their comments asking you if you're pregnant
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when you're not. >> Yeah. Don't ask people if they're pregnant. >> Yeah. It's a really for a million
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reasons. It's a really terrible idea. >> Yeah. If somebody somebody who went through infertility for 3 years,
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>> um I would have [ __ ] lost my mind if somebody asked me that. >> Um so don't do that. Um but none of you
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would. >> None of that's none of you listening. >> None of you listening, none of our like
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good community here would. There's always those ones that just like come out of nowhere and are like, "Oh, I'm
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going to yuck people's yum on the internet because I'm a miserable cunt." >> It's like, "Sorry, I was on your
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discover page." All right. So, let's make sure. You know what? Cuz all you listening, I know it.
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You're all the You're all the good ones. >> Hey, beauty queens. >> Yeah. Hey, all you beauties. Uh, when
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you see people being [ __ ] on the internet, just chase them. Chase them off the internet.
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>> Chase them down. >> Get them Get them gone. We got to start [ __ ] chasing these [ __ ] off the
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internet. >> Go on. Get >> people who just go around and leave nasty comments on people's happiness
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need to be like chased off the internet. Nasty begets nasty, my dears. >> I love nothing more now than to see a
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video of somebody that I'm like, "Wow, that's a fun video." Or like, "That's really cool." I now make it a point, and
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we all should >> to leave a kind comment or an uplifting comment on as many videos as I possibly
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can, >> and they're all real and genuine. I always am leaving so much yuckiness that
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you need to counteract people up. It feels so good. >> It does. >> Like, it really does. Like,
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>> it feels so good. >> It feels so good. >> Full of [ __ ] circle. >> I'm telling you, like pumping people up
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so much better than trying to tear someone down. It's going to make you feel so much better.
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>> You'll feel better about your own self. >> And we can just like turn that cuz
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everything sucks right now. >> Oh god, it's so >> And like the internet is a literal
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[ __ ] garbage fire. I was going to say >> and we can try to turn it around a little by just like spreading more
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positivity and making those [ __ ] troll ass [ __ ] feel unwelcome. >> Like we really got and I'm seeing people
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start to do that more and it's making me happy because I think we are starting to
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make the trolls feel very [ __ ] unwelcome on the internet and we need to continue doing that.
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>> Absolutely. If you see a video or something that even slightly tickles your pickle,
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>> you should you should comment. Hey, this tickles my pickle. Even just the littlest bit.
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>> Let that person know. >> Mikey is making an X in the air. He's like, do not do that.
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>> Let let that person know that their makeup is awesome. Let that person know that the hair is [ __ ] killing it.
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>> Maybe you could say, "Hey, this struck my fancy. This struck my This made me feel,
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you know, >> this made me feel the fleas. >> Let that person know that dance was
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great. This was a funny video. This made me laugh. >> Like, just do it. >> Just come on up. Throw them in the air.
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It's worth it. >> Become a stunter. >> Hell yeah. >> Stunt on these hoes. >> All right. Well, with all that being
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said, let's talk about something hella nasty because this is called Morbid after all.
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>> I'm very excited for this one. And Ash really, really did the damn thing here.
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>> I really went forth and conquered. Thank you for the recognition there, brother.
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>> Well, I was looking for something Halloweeny or like Halloween adjacent to talk about cuz it's, you know, an
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October bonus episode. >> So, um, that's when I stumbled across a Smithsonian article about something
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called corpse medicine >> and I said, "Yeah, I want to hear about that." >> And I said, "Yeah, that sounds pretty
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[ __ ] morbid." So corpse medicine or medical cannibalism it's also called was a legit medical practice back in Europe
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from the 12th century all the way into the 17th century. Wow. They were really committed to this
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>> long time. Yeah. Back then people from all different kinds of walks of life. Even medical doctors believed that
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consuming things like blood, human fat, crushed up skull bits would have different medical benefits. Whether it
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was relieving headaches, treating bruises, improving circulation, or even curing epilepsy.
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>> Damn. >> Damn is right. >> Mummy dust. >> Well, I'm going to actually talk about
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mummy dust. Thank you for the foreshadowing, Tobias Forge. >> So, it all kind of started back in
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ancient Egypt with mummies. >> There we go. >> But before we get there, we have to talk
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about something called bumen. >> Okay, >> it's really called bitchmen. Uh, and also a pretty big mixup in language
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translation. So, let's talk about bitammen first. Bammen is actually one of the main
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ingredients in asphalt. >> Oh, okay. >> It's like the black sticky sub uh substance that kind of holds everything
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together. It acts like a glue. >> Okay. >> It's actually a naturally occurring substance. And thousands of years ago,
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they would use it to treat things like asthma, stomach inflammation, broken bones, acne. No, like literally uh you
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know your day-to-day snake and scorpion bites. >> Oh yeah. >> Ear infections. Two things.
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>> Always looking for something for my dayto-day. Scorpion and snake bites. >> It's it's just a common occurrence. It
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is out here, >> especially in Massachusetts. Scorpions everywhere. >> Scorpions and snakes just biting us all.
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And we're all covered in asphalt. >> Yeah. So now we obviously know all the harmful effects of ingesting vitamin
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like skin cancer, skin irritation, uh respir respiratory problems, death, poison,
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>> poison, but back then people really thought it was the tits. wellrespected Roman scientist and close friend to the
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emperor Gaes Plennius Secundus >> aka Ply the Elder. He used to tell the Elder >> Ply the Elder. He used to tell people to
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mix it in with wine and it would treat their coughs and their dysentery. >> Damn.
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>> He said just mix a little tar in with your wine. >> Yeah, it's fine. >> Take a big sip. I love that.
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>> And you'll feel better in no time. >> I mean, let's go. Is it gayas? Gas. It's
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Gais. >> Gaas. >> Gaes. >> Let's go. Ga. >> Plus secundis. >> Oh yes. Pl. And what was it? The elder.
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>> Uh. Uh. Plenny the elder. >> I'm so sorry. Ply the elder. Put some respect on.
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>> I was going to say I don't want to [ __ ] it up. >> He's a goddamn elder. >> Put some goddamn respect on his name.
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>> Hello. So yeah, that that's bitchmen. >> Now that's bitchmen. >> That's [ __ ] It's bitching. It's
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bitchmen. So, now to the mummies and the mistransation of it all. When you picture a mummy, obviously you think of
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like a Halloween costumey toilet paper wrapped dead person >> always. But the word mummy originally
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wasn't always referring to the entire being or like the body itself. Around the 12th century, the Arabic word mumia
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was mistransated. >> Oh, >> yeah. So, originally it was just referring to the substance bit.
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>> Oh, >> that's what mumia was. But when Europeans started viewing ancient Egyptian bodies that had been preserved
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by this imbalming process that used all kinds of different resin and things like
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that, they thought that was naturally occurring bumen. And that it's never not funny to say bumen. Uh but they thought
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that was naturally occurring and that it had all these curall properties and they
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thought that the word was referring to the entire body and that's how we got the English word mummy.
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>> Like this person is a mummy not the substance. >> Exactly. >> Isn't that interesting?
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>> That is very interesting. I didn't know that. >> So now because the bo they thought that
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the bodies were coded in bumen everyone thought they had all kinds of medical uses.
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>> People think I'm coded in bitmen a lot. >> You are bammen coded. But because people wanted all the
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bumenumen, they, you know, these bodies started being disturbed so that people could
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access the substance. >> Oh, that's [ __ ] up. >> Yeah, real messed up. And it got even
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more [ __ ] up as time went on. According to the Science History Institute writer Marielle Carr, she
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said, "After this point, the meaning of Mumia expanded to include not just asphalt, but other hardened resonous
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material from inbombed bodies, but the flesh of that embalmed body as well." >> Oh,
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>> yeah. >> We're getting kooky. Not only were they like, "Hey, I'd like that bitchman."
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They were like, "I'd like that arm. I'd like that head." >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I don't want that.
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>> Yeah. Well, >> no thank you. >> They did in Europe. Eventually, the practice of eating human flesh and other
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parts of the body found its way over there. >> Awesome. >> Uh Richard Sugg, who wrote, "Mummies,
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cannibals, and vampires, the history of corpse medicine from the Renaissance to the Victorians."
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>> Let's go, girls. >> He wrote, "For certain practitioners and patients, there was almost nothing
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between the head and feet which could not be used in some way." >> Wow. >> And he was right.
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>> And he was correct. >> He was correct. So, the idea was kind of rooted in like sympathetic magic. Back
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then they believed that there was a connection between two things or two actions. They said like treated like. So
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if somebody had a migraine, cool, give them this groundup skull tincture. >> Yeah. I mean honestly with such like,
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you know, remedial understanding of pretty much anything at that point. >> Yeah,
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>> I get why the connection was made. I suppose if you think this is all going to work.
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>> I mean, I get the thinking, you know, like >> Yeah. Like people are going to believe
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doctors and all these people being like, "Hey, if your head hurts, >> you might as well eat some skull."
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>> Yeah, do it. Ingest some skull. >> Yeah. >> I'm not telling you to, but the doctors
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back then were telling people to definitely don't. But they also thought if somebody's bleeding, let's stop the
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bleeding with some blood jam. >> Oh yeah. >> Which is funny because it's kind of like
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a double entandra. >> It like jams up the blood, stops the bleeding, but it's also like a jelly.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, well, that just makes me think of like coagulated blood cuz it looks
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like jelly. >> I mean, that's essentially what this was. >> Like, it just I can picture it.
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>> Yeah. Well, Richard Sugg actually gives one of the original recipes for blood
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jam in his book. Um, first, one needs to get blood from quote, "Persons of warm,
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moist temperament, such as those of blotchy red complexion and rather plump of build." So then once you get your
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blood from your plump of build blotchy red person, then you're going to let that dry into a sticky mass. Once it's
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dry, the recipe says to place it upon a flat smooth table of soft wood, not hard,
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>> and cut it into thin little slices, allowing its watery part to drip away. When it's no longer dripping, place it
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on a stove on the same table and stir it into a batter with a knife. When it's absolutely dry, place it immediately in
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a very warm bronze mortar and pound it, forcing it through a seieve of the finest silk. When it has all been seved,
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seal it in a glass jar. Renew it in the spring of every year. >> Okay, we'll do like renew it in the
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spring of every year. It sounds very Martha Stewart at the end. >> I was just going to say that. It's
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literally Martha being like, and you know what? Keep on top of it, girl. >> Keep on top of it.
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>> Renew it in the spring of every year. It's like a garden being like >> storebought is fine.
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>> If you can't make it yourself, storebought is fine. >> Which I don't really Well, you know what
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I was going to say? I don't think you could get this in the store, but you could because we're going to talk about
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the apothecaries in a minute. Oh, here we go. >> That carried all this stuff. But first,
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let's get back to the groundup skull tincture. >> So, originally, >> I'd like to get back to that. Thank you.
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>> I'm so glad. >> I didn't love that we were we were going so far away from it. I said, "Where is
00:22:11
it?" >> You always want to go back to the tincture. >> As someone with migraines, I would like
00:22:15
to hear about this groundup skull tincture. Please. >> All right. You might end up being
00:22:18
disappointed, but you know what? I'll tell you everything you need to know. >> I'm always looking for a remedy.
00:22:22
>> Here's the thing. Originally, the mixture was referred to as Goddard's drops because they were invented by a
00:22:28
doctor named Jonathan Goddard in the 17th century. Uh, he served as an army surgeon during the English Civil War and
00:22:35
he was one of Oliver Cromwell's personal doctors. Oliver Cromwell can get booked.
00:22:40
>> Truly, >> but I'm an Irish woman. So somehow through his own studies of corpse medicine, he came to believe that
00:22:48
his tincture could cure all kinds of things. Fainting, strokes, ep epilepsy, bladder stones, really just anything
00:22:56
causing you any kind of distress. >> Whenever something is claiming that it can fix
00:23:02
many different complex >> and completely distinct problems, >> question. >> Yeah, question. I'm not saying just
00:23:11
question. just ask a few just >> how's it doing all that? >> How's it doing all that?
00:23:16
>> You'll find out. >> Okay, >> so first let's get to the recipe. The recipe was a mix of 5 lbs of human
00:23:22
skull. >> Whoa. >> 5 lb of human skull, 2 lb of dried vapors, 2 lb of distilled deer horns,
00:23:30
and 2 lb of ivory. >> Oh, I know it's [ __ ] up. After a process of distilling and filtering and
00:23:37
doing that all and all all over again, they were then poured into a tincture bottle. And the instructions were to
00:23:43
take seven to eight drops for things like headaches, migraines, fainting, maybe even if you just needed a simple
00:23:50
stimulant. You're a little tired. >> Yeah. >> Put a little King's drop on your tongue.
00:23:54
>> Yeah, why not? >> Or Goddard's drop, excuse me. We're not to King's Drops yet. But in cases where
00:23:58
you know you had had a stroke or suffered from epilepsy, the dose could increase to 50 drops.
00:24:06
Holy [ __ ] Now, here's where we get to King's drops. King Charles II was such a
00:24:10
fan of this tincture. He was like really into chemistry and science and everything. He literally had like a lab
00:24:16
built in the castle. But so he was so interested. He was such a fan of the tincture. He was said to have bought the
00:24:22
recipe from Dr. Gddard Gddard for £6,000. Damn. >> And then he rebranded the name to the
00:24:29
King's Drops. >> It's the relaunch for me. >> I bet they had a relaunch party. >> It is the relaunch for me. It's the
00:24:36
rebranding. I >> I kind of love that. >> He said, "I bought these. I bought their
00:24:41
name, their likeness, and they're mine now." He said, "Relaunch King's Drops." >> Uh he would add them to his wine. He
00:24:47
would add them to chocolates. Some people said that he had a um like a goblet that was made of skull that he
00:24:55
would drink his wine in with skulls drops in it. >> Here's the thing that's extraordinarily
00:25:00
metal, >> but it's not good. >> Not good. But I have to agree with you. >> But like
00:25:08
you have to do a a guitar riff there. >> You absolutely do. >> That's insane. >> Just walking around with a
00:25:15
>> with a skull goblet drinking your skull tincture and wine. That's the thing. Like a skull goblet filled with skull.
00:25:22
>> That's literally so much >> skull in one. >> Yeah, >> that's I'm me. I'm going to I'm going to
00:25:27
look for a different remedy for my migraines. >> You know, eedrin seems to work great for
00:25:31
you. >> No, I will not be be trying this. >> I'm glad to hear that. That makes me
00:25:35
feel like a lot more secure as your business partner. >> Yeah. >> Um but he also allegedly gave them to
00:25:40
the royal court too as a kind of truth serum. >> Oh, >> but it's also like >> it's that too. Well, they think so, but
00:25:48
I'm like, you were just giving them wine. Yeah. And people tend to get drunk and people get liquored up and they
00:25:53
start telling you stuff, >> you know. >> Yeah. >> No. Ironically, King Charles II died of
00:25:58
a stroke. >> Oops. >> In 1685, even after upping his dosage on his deathbed to 40 drops per day.
00:26:05
>> It's so weird that that didn't work. >> Yeah. It's crazy. He wasn't the only person who died from that.
00:26:09
>> Really? >> Yeah. King's drops didn't really save a lot of people. >> Well, I had such faith.
00:26:13
>> I I did, too. Now, here's the thing. One of the most important things when it
00:26:17
came to the sourcing of skulls for King's Drops was that the skull came from a person who had died a violent
00:26:24
death. >> Oh yeah, that gets even gnarier. >> Now, this was rooted in the idea of the
00:26:31
vital spirit, which is pretty similar to sympathetic magic. uh Pariselus who was
00:26:37
a Swiss doctor who lived during the 14th and 15th centuries. He believed that if
00:26:41
a person died suddenly, they would have more of this life force or vital spirit inside of them.
00:26:48
>> Damn. >> Because it hadn't been damaged by any kind of illness and the person wasn't
00:26:52
expecting to die necessarily. So that meant that their spirits still possessed some kind of desire to continue on. And
00:26:59
therefore, if you ingested that, >> you would have that will to to continue on and to, you know, not be sick or to
00:27:07
not suffer from whatever was ailing you. >> Damn. I love the mental gymnastics that
00:27:11
they do to make these things make sense cuz you you're like, "Yeah, all right." >> Yeah. Like, sure. If I do a few back
00:27:18
flips, that makes perfect sense. >> Yeah. Def. I mean, if I run over there, come back really quick, do a cartwheel,
00:27:25
chug some Gatorade, and then do 15 more flips, I think I get it. >> Yeah. If I'm Simone Biles, that makes
00:27:32
sense. >> Yeah, if I get the spins, it makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Um, this is going to really send you. He
00:27:38
was called the father of toxicology back then. >> Wow. >> Yeah, we really The bar was in hell.
00:27:45
>> It was. It sure was. >> What do you mean? It sure was. So, in the case of source father, that's that's
00:27:54
not my dad. >> Not my dad. >> So, in the case of sourcing skulls for the king's drops, a lot of them came
00:28:00
from Ireland, which was [ __ ] pointed. >> Wow. >> Like I mentioned earlier, there was many
00:28:05
reasons for it, but one I think the biggest one is what I'm going to say. >> He's definitely not my dad.
00:28:10
>> Yeah. No. So, like I mentioned earlier, Dr. Goddard was the army surgeon during
00:28:14
the English Civil War, the first one. and he was also Oliver Cromwell's personal doctor. The English Civil War
00:28:21
coincided with the Cromwellian massacres in Ireland where thousands of Irish troops and civilians were killed
00:28:28
incredibly violently. Like Oliver Cromwell was a [ __ ] up person. >> He was a turd bucket.
00:28:34
>> Yeah. He loved to like people that were captured, he would torture them. People
00:28:39
that were literally just passing through an area who weren't involved in the war
00:28:42
at all, he would capture them and torture them and they died. Brutal. Brutal deaths.
00:28:47
>> Yeah. For a guy named Oliver, he had a lot of nerve. >> He really did. >> Yeah.
00:28:50
>> It's like you're supposed to be kind of gentle. >> Yeah. I've never met an Oliver that was
00:28:54
like a piece of [ __ ] >> Yeah. That was like this. >> Yeah. >> Well, unfortunately, the Cromwellian
00:29:00
massacres obviously led to a surplus of skulls that physicians back then would have believed contained the perfect
00:29:05
amount of vital force because of the way that they were killed. They weren't expecting to be killed. They died
00:29:11
violently, >> yada yada yada. Now, another desirable quality um of the skulls found in
00:29:17
Ireland was something called skull moss or osnia. A lot of times in Ireland, enemies killed on their land weren't
00:29:24
buried. They were just left out as warning like not to [ __ ] with Ireland. >> Like what I do with spiders sometimes.
00:29:30
>> Yeah. You leave the dead body somewhere. I love that. >> So that the next one knows.
00:29:34
>> That's pretty much >> the same thing. >> That's pretty much genius also. >> Yeah. You got to let them know like this
00:29:39
is what I'm about. I'll leave you alone outside. My house is my house. >> I mean, you are Irish after all.
00:29:45
>> So, because they were left to the elements, moths would start to grow over the tops of the skulls. And physicians
00:29:51
back then thought that these skulls would be even more potent with vital force because the moss would suck it all
00:29:58
up. So, it was ideal for king's drops, but also absorbent enough to be used to stop nose bleeds as well.
00:30:06
>> Oh, good. So they would either they would either grind up the skull and you know add the moss to the tincture like
00:30:12
grind that up too or they would literally just take the moss off of the skulls and shove it up their [ __ ]
00:30:18
nose. >> Absolutely. >> To stop nose bleeds >> of course. >> Or even like it was put on wounds and
00:30:24
that kind of thing at times too. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> We Wow. We came We've come a long way.
00:30:32
>> We have. >> That's pretty wild. >> We sort of have. Skull moss is I thought what is the vital what is it called?
00:30:40
>> Uh vital force. >> Vital force and life mo and life force. >> Sorry. Vital spirit. Right. I combined
00:30:46
life force and vital spirit. >> Vital spirit sounds like a really cool band name.
00:30:50
>> Yeah. >> Uh and Skull Moss feels like a really good name of a book. >> Yeah, I would read a book called Skull
00:30:56
Moss. >> Yeah. >> I feel like Skull Moss could even be abandoned. They opened up for Vital
00:31:00
Spirit. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Yeah. I like it. I like it. Well, physicians weren't the only people
00:31:05
learning about and stocking their shelves with corpse medicine. There was also apothecaries who had entire stores
00:31:12
filled to the brim with tinctures, body parts, fluids, anything you could dream of.
00:31:18
>> Cool. >> To treat your ailments. >> Yeah. >> Um, one of the main things that they
00:31:22
carried was something that you foreshadowed earlier. >> Mummy powder. >> Mummy powder.
00:31:26
>> Sort of mummy dust. So, mummy powder was really looked at back then to be another
00:31:31
cure all. It was like the end all be all in corpse medicine. >> Um, they thought of it as a panacea,
00:31:37
which is a remedy for like anything that ails you whatsoever. >> Yeah. >> They thought it was a cough suppressant,
00:31:43
an anti-inflammatory, a blood thinner, a painkiller. You name it, mummy powder could fix it.
00:31:49
>> Let's go. >> And um, just a quick little side detour, it didn't only serve medical purposes,
00:31:54
it also had its role in the arts. Oh, >> there is a famous painting uh called interior of a kitchen and it's by Martin
00:32:02
Drooling. It was done in 1815 and a lot of art historians agree that he used a ton of this color called mummy brown.
00:32:11
>> Mummy brown. >> And that was a mixture of white pitch, myrrh, and mummy flesh.
00:32:18
>> Damn. >> They were straight up painting with mummy flesh >> with pieces of people.
00:32:22
>> Yep. Um, in 1797, a London publication actually wrote that quote, "The most fleshy bits are the best parts."
00:32:31
>> The most fleshy bits are the best parts. >> The best parts for to make paint.
00:32:38
>> Was that Hannah Blector who said that? >> No, it wasn't even >> like what? >> And it was used for hundreds and
00:32:44
hundreds of years >> and it became a great ghost song. >> Yeah, Mommy does. >> That is really fun to watch live.
00:32:49
>> There you go. Yeah, he do be thrusting. He be well in 1881 a famous artist Edward Burr Jones found out the truth
00:32:57
about mommy brown. He thought he had heard like in you know his fancy art community of course people say like oh
00:33:03
yeah it's literally made of mummies and he was like oh p >> imagine that casual conversation
00:33:07
somebody at at like coffee is just like did you hear >> Yeah. Did you hear that Marcus put
00:33:12
[ __ ] bits of flesh in his painting and everybody's like, "Ah." >> They were like, "His brown his brown
00:33:18
isn't really drying as it's supposed to." Because that that was often a complaint of mummy brown was that it
00:33:24
kind of was like um like a little bit see-through. Like it it wasn't as potent as the rest of their paint.
00:33:29
>> Of course not. They had to use a lot of paint. >> That's the thing. So, he found out one
00:33:34
day like that the rumors all the rumors were true. >> Wow. And he went into his backyard that
00:33:40
day and buried the one remaining tube he had of Mummy Brown to give it a quote decent and proper burial.
00:33:46
>> Oh, that's kind of sweet. >> Yeah, he was sweet. He was He was very upset about it.
00:33:50
>> He's like, "That's a person." >> Yeah. >> I should bury it. >> Yeah. >> A >> Wasn't that nice?
00:33:54
>> That's sweet in the most [ __ ] Macob way. >> Yeah. We love an aware king. We do.
00:33:59
>> Um, apparently the use of Mummy Brown though lasted all the way into the 20th
00:34:03
century. >> Damn. >> Yeah. It died out luckily. Um, and now you can't find it anywhere. No pun
00:34:08
intended. >> Now you can't find it anywhere except on display at the Harvard Art Museum.
00:34:13
>> Oh. >> Mhm. >> I want to see it. >> There's a tube on display. I can show you a picture of it.
00:34:18
>> We can just see it. >> We can just see it. >> It's right over there. >> Let's go.
00:34:35
Well, back to the 16th century now. >> Back to it. >> So, these apothecaries, like I
00:34:39
mentioned, would traveled to Egypt to buy mummies from merchants to make their powders, but it was hard to tell what
00:34:45
was authentic and what wasn't. King Francis I of France, if you can even believe it. He was said to carry a
00:34:52
mixture a mixture of true mubia, which was a vis a viscous black liquid directly extracted from a mummy who had
00:35:01
at one time belonged to one of the wealthiest Egyptian families. Holy [ __ ] >> And he like knew for sure he sent the
00:35:06
right people. They robbed the right grave and they got him verified >> his mixture there.
00:35:11
>> And he carried it in case of emergency by the way. >> Yeah. >> Like it was literally in his first aid
00:35:16
kit. Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> So, it was probably easy for a king to
00:35:20
get what he believed to be the good stuff, but it was hard for others to ensure what was authentic and what
00:35:25
wasn't. There were merchants who would sell camels instead of humans. Um, and there were people who thought that they
00:35:31
were purchasing royal Egyptian bodies that they believed would contain some of the best vital spirit you could buy, who
00:35:38
got completely bamboozled. Uh, Carl H. Danfeld wrote about these merchants and said the bodies now Mumia had been those
00:35:47
of slaves and other dead persons, young and old, male and female, which he had indiscriminately collected. The merchant
00:35:54
cared not for what disease had caused these deaths since when inbalmed, no one could tell the difference.
00:35:59
>> Oh man. So you somebody not you. I'm like you over there, Ren. >> Yeah, me. People would be out here being
00:36:06
like, "Oh, I'm going to go buy like the richest Egyptian mummy that I can get." Because obviously they're going to
00:36:11
contain this rich vital spirit and you know, they're going to be buried with all these delicious
00:36:18
>> Yeah. the fancy vital, you know, >> spirit and all the bummen >> and you could receive a camel.
00:36:24
>> That's what honestly that's what you get. >> I was just going to say when you play
00:36:28
stupid games, you win stupid prizes. It's just >> you might get a camel. >> Yeah, you might. And that's kind of on
00:36:34
you. But also like think you might get somebody who died of the plague >> back then. You might get somebody who
00:36:40
died of like dysentery. >> Yeah. And you're just ingesting their [ __ ] >> No wonder like sometimes they really
00:36:46
were ingesting their [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> They actually I didn't even include this, but just a quick side note cuz
00:36:50
it's it's not really corpse uh medicine, but it's like adjacent. People would um
00:36:57
dry out feces like >> what like human and animal feces. Like he just shot up from what he was doing.
00:37:03
And he was like, "Excuse me?" And they would turn it into a powder that they believed would cure cataracts.
00:37:11
So they would just literally like fling [ __ ] into their eyes. >> Powder into their eyes.
00:37:15
>> Were they able? >> Here's where I'm like, we really have come far. Cuz I'm like,
00:37:22
>> what? Maybe who knows. Would you be able to convince people that like dried up
00:37:28
[ __ ] fluck into your eyes? I mean, >> and like what what line of thinking did they did they pass through here to be
00:37:37
like if you fling dried up [ __ ] into your eyes, it will cure your cataract. >> Here's the thing. I didn't really go
00:37:44
down that rabbit hole because I had to go down many other rabbit holes for this. And I found out that, you know,
00:37:50
fecal medicine is not necessarily corpse medicine. So, I left it for another day.
00:37:55
>> Said that's different. >> Yeah. But I but in these apothecaries they would have like little, you know,
00:38:01
pins that would say like >> goose feal matter poop, you know, like >> they say we sell poop here.
00:38:08
>> Get you poop here. And it wasn't just cataracts. It would it would they used it for all different kinds of things.
00:38:13
>> Yeah, of course. >> But that's that's another episode. >> Wow, that's really interesting.
00:38:18
>> Yeah. So, people were getting duped. Anyways, back to the my original point. Well, luckily, question mark, for people
00:38:24
who couldn't afford the high-end corpse medicine, there was somebody you could go to for cheaper stuff. Um, and I guess
00:38:30
you could at least guarantee what you were getting there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Not only could you go to
00:38:34
your local executioner for the finest entertainment of the day, but they were also one of the main suppliers of human
00:38:41
remains at the time. Once mummies got harder to come by, people would flock to executions to get their hands on
00:38:47
different body parts, skulls, blood, fat, tissue, you name it. >> Delicious. >> Eventually, executed criminals actually
00:38:54
became the number one source for the medicine. And people back then felt like it was perfect because they could get
00:39:00
their extra vital spirit from people dying quickly and violently. You know, they were either being beheaded or
00:39:06
hanged. Yeah. But they also felt better about using those kinds of bodies for medicine because these people weren't
00:39:12
the most desirable members of society. >> So you didn't have like the moral implications that came with
00:39:18
>> because they were undesirable. >> Yeah. Like grave robbing, you know, >> cuz that's the other thing, the uptick
00:39:23
in grave robbing back then. >> Oh yeah. >> Crazy. >> Oh, you were never safe. >> No. But at executions, you could
00:39:29
literally buy cups of warm blood. >> Oh. And it was suggested that you do drink it while it was warm or that you
00:39:37
did drink it while it was warm because that meant that the spirit of the person was still fresh.
00:39:42
>> And obviously, you know, these >> I hate that a lot. >> These cups sold for a lot of money. Like
00:39:47
it was like going to a concert and paying like $12 for a water, >> you know? >> It was exactly like that.
00:39:53
>> It was similar. >> People who couldn't afford to buy a cup for themselves would either dip cloths
00:39:58
into the blood left over from the execution site and get it that way. Yeah, I remember hearing this.
00:40:03
>> Or they would bring their own bread and dip the bread into it. >> Yeah. >> I'm sorry that that image conjured in
00:40:11
your mind. >> Seeing thinking of somebody taking bread or taking a a handkerchief and just
00:40:19
letting it soak up the warm [ __ ] blood >> and then dranking it. >> We What are we What are we asarian? Like
00:40:29
we're we're real wild. >> Do you guys remember I don't know if you will, Elena, but do you guys remember
00:40:33
Dave the Barbarian? >> Yeah. >> I just said barbarian and I literally just went b barbarian
00:40:40
barbarian in my head. >> Like just so you know, >> that show slapped you guys. >> That was a great show.
00:40:45
>> Quick detour. But yeah, at uh King Charles I different from King Charles II who died after the King's Drops didn't
00:40:51
work when he had a stroke. his dad actually uh was executed and people were seen mopping up his blood with their
00:40:58
handkerchiefs at his execution site. Yeah. And obviously that would be like the most vital of course of of spirits
00:41:05
that you could get. That's the king. >> All the spirit. >> And back then they actually believed
00:41:09
that they believed in something called the royal touch. So like if you even touched the king or if if he allowed his
00:41:16
hand to touch you, they believed even that touch alone could heal you. >> Wow. Wow. So imagine what his blood
00:41:21
could do for you. >> Imagine, you know, >> I can only. >> But yeah, back to the blood of the
00:41:26
execution times. That was thought to be the best cure for epilepsy and tuberculosis.
00:41:31
>> Yeah, of course. >> But it was also just thought to be a good drink if you wanted to stay looking
00:41:35
young and fresh. >> Yeah. I mean, just ask Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. >> I know.
00:41:39
>> He warms up his blood. >> He does. >> And he also puts weedeny bits in it if he wants a little texture.
00:41:44
>> Yeah, he does. >> So that's a little tip from me to you. >> Everybody has preferences,
00:41:47
>> you know. Uh but according to best lovejoy who wrote an article called a brief history of medical cannibalism
00:41:53
cute >> uh Marcilo Faco I think uh who was a highly respected 15th century Italian
00:42:00
scholar and priest wrote that elderly people should quote suck the blood of an adolescent who was clean, happy,
00:42:07
temperate and whose blood is excellent but perhaps a little excessive. >> Yep. >> Yep.
00:42:13
>> If they wanted to stay young. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Absolutely. You know what? That
00:42:17
young person who's clean and happy and temperate and all that, >> become a vampire.
00:42:20
>> They might have a little extra blood and you should drink it right from them.
00:42:24
>> I love that they're just like, >> you know what, become a vampire. >> Yeah. Do it.
00:42:30
>> Let's just all, you know, I feel they're like, I feel like Twilight's going to
00:42:33
come out in a few hundred years and >> we're going to love it. We're going to be ahead of that.
00:42:37
>> They said, have you even seen Carile? >> Have you even seen The Skin of a Killer,
00:42:42
Bella? My god, have you just watched Twilight and I can't stop saying this is the skin of a killer Bella?
00:42:48
>> I love it so much. >> It's the best. >> It's so It's an interesting movie to watch now.
00:42:54
>> Period. >> Uh it's like I was like I just told everyone to be nice on It's entertainment at its finest.
00:43:02
>> It is. It's very entertaining. >> I um started watching it the other night and I got all the way halfway through
00:43:07
Eclipse. >> Yeah. So that's that's a lot. >> Yeah. I'm trying to finish the whole I
00:43:12
haven't watched the series through in so long or the >> No, it's been years and years and years.
00:43:17
>> But back to the blood. So you you could suck the blood of the people who were
00:43:21
young and temperate and happy >> and then you would get the skin of a killer. >> I like that he specified clean, too.
00:43:25
That was smart of him. >> That was nice. >> Um but this belief actually might have
00:43:29
been rooted in Roman history where people allegedly would drink the blood of fall uh fallen gladiators hoping to
00:43:35
get some of their strength and bravery via ingestion of them. >> Wow. Yeah. So many shortcuts people are
00:43:43
looking for. >> Yeah. >> Shortcuts that are very complicated. >> Like maybe just lift, bro.
00:43:46
>> Yeah. Just do you even lift, bro? Do you do you even lift? >> Maybe just make sure you're hydrated.
00:43:52
Just drink some water. >> Yeah. Well, uh the local executioners weren't just doling out cups of warm
00:43:58
blood and stepping aside while people dipped bread in it like they were just having some oil and balsamic.
00:44:03
>> He would also harvest the fat from executed bodies. Ew. >> Most of the time he would sell it to the
00:44:09
local apothecaries and they would melt it down to use in ointments or they would dry it out to use it in powders.
00:44:15
The ointments could be used topically to treat things like bruises, scars, gout,
00:44:20
uh general aches and pains. And in powder form, they were also uh thought to stop bleeding. Sometimes they would
00:44:27
soak bandages in human fat before they were wrapped around like wounds or injured bones because they thought that
00:44:34
promoted healing. You know what? That one I can almost understand the thought process behind.
00:44:40
>> Yeah. No, I get that. >> I like I we know it's ridiculous, but it's like you can almost see the through
00:44:47
line of thinking there. >> Yeah. Because >> that particular one >> I can't put it into words why that makes
00:44:52
sense, but I get it a little bit. >> Like like it doesn't. Yeah. But like you can understand why without
00:45:01
any kind of knowledge of biology or anything >> that that would seem to make some type
00:45:07
of sense. It's the least it's the least intrusive of of them that I can think of.
00:45:12
>> Well, at le I mean like in some cases they were like ingesting the fat, but at
00:45:16
least in that case they were just wrapping it around a wound >> and they're hoping it like promotes
00:45:19
healing, which is like it doesn't, but like >> No, but I kind of get it. But yeah, I
00:45:24
can I'm like, "All right, that one's not as offensive." >> Um, well, it was especially popular. It
00:45:28
was a especially popular form of corpse medicine during wartime. >> Makes sense.
00:45:32
>> Army surgeons like Dr. Goddard, who I mentioned earlier, would go out onto the
00:45:35
battlefield and literally fill up bags of fat from fallen soldiers. >> That's horrifying.
00:45:41
>> And they would take the huge bags back to medical tents and treat wounded soldiers with the fat of fallen
00:45:48
soldiers. >> Damn. >> Yeah. Like [ __ ] was so [ __ ] bleak back then. >> Gnarly. Like and the fact that she just
00:45:57
hearing they were harvesting fat from fallen soldiers. Do you that entails a lot.
00:46:03
>> You have to picture that for a second. >> That entails a very gnarly image. >> And also probably harvesting their
00:46:09
skulls as well, you know. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. Um, you also might remember
00:46:14
from some of our coverage of the Paris catacombs that leftover fat from the surplus of bodies there uh at that time
00:46:20
was used to make soap and candles. >> Yeah. Yeah. Love that. >> Yeah. >> Luckily though, by the 18th century, the
00:46:28
enlightenment/thege of reason came along and people started looking a little deeper into science and actual medicine
00:46:35
and they were like, "Hey, you know what's [ __ ] crazy? None of this seems to work and everyone is still dying
00:46:41
super young." That's so wild. >> I feel like we should try something else. >> You know, that seems to be like a
00:46:47
throughine in our species is >> cuz like even when like we were talking about this like a few days ago that like
00:46:54
during the Salem witch trials, everyone's like, "How did it stop?" And it's like it literally stopped because
00:46:59
they like pressed to death an old man. >> Yeah. >> In a field naked and they were and some
00:47:04
people were like, "I think we went too far. This [ __ ] is weird what we're doing." Huh. Like this is weird. At
00:47:10
least that, you know, I'm hopeful that that actually starts to happen soon again.
00:47:14
>> I hope that >> people start looking around and being like, "Hey, it's [ __ ] weird. Really
00:47:18
gross what we're doing. Maybe we should stop. >> Let's stop. Maybe we should uh >> It is a trait of our species." So, you
00:47:24
know, it's very very well could happen again. >> It always gets worse. >> But it seems to happen there, too. It's
00:47:28
just like everyone's like, "Huh, >> none of this is working. We should stop." >> Yeah. I think they were definitely
00:47:33
feeling weird, too, about the moral implications that were involved. >> Yeah. I love for like a long time they
00:47:39
were just like I guess we just deal with it. >> I guess you know >> once we ran out of bodies to steal at
00:47:45
least we were eating criminals like it's medicinal happiness. >> Very much like a hunter's mentality that
00:47:52
it's like well I use everything on the animal so >> it's fine. >> Yeah. You know
00:47:57
>> I mean it also got harder to supply mummies from Egypt and people were also catching on to like the trickery
00:48:02
involved. >> Oh yeah. The snake oil of it all. >> Yeah. But mostly people just got smarter
00:48:06
and a little more empathetic. Good for us. But shockingly enough, the last recorded listing of a mummy for sale was
00:48:13
in a magazine in the 20th century. 1924 to be exact. So I guess not really good for us.
00:48:20
>> Yeah. I can't really give us too much of a pat on the back. >> Just a little tap tap. It's a little
00:48:25
like we're getting there. Yeah. And that, my friends, is a brief history of corpse medicine. That is [ __ ]
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fascinating. It was really fun to dive into. >> I loved that. >> Maybe next I'll look into fecal medicine
00:48:38
>> and as you should poo. >> Mikey said absolutely not medicine. >> I wanted to include it, but and I I
00:48:46
don't I got like very OCD about it. I was like, well, technically it's not corpse medicine because it's not dead.
00:48:51
So, I'll go into it another time. >> This was great. I liked this. >> I'm glad. I had a feeling you would love
00:48:55
this. >> Yeah. Anytime I get to reference a ghost song during a during a morbid episode,
00:48:59
I'm here for it. >> Yeah. Talk about people like dipping their [ __ ] bread into their bread in
00:49:04
fallen blood. >> [ __ ] Like warm execution blood. >> Yeah. >> Damn. I mean, I read something that was
00:49:10
like, is it all that different from taking the Eucharist? >> I mean, >> at church, they're like, "Here's the
00:49:16
blood of Jesus." >> Yeah. >> It's real [ __ ] up. >> I guess one one is symbolic and one is
00:49:21
luckily one is literal. >> Luckily, it's moved on to symbolism, but >> symbolism. Back then they were less
00:49:29
symbolic about it >> apparently. >> [ __ ] crazy. >> Damn. >> Yeah, >> that's wild.
00:49:34
>> Crazy. >> Well, thank you for that. >> You're welcome. It conjures up so many
00:49:37
images, doesn't it? >> Yeah, it really does. >> All right. Well, thank you for joining
00:49:41
us on our uh little bonus episode for Halloweeny. >> Hell yeah. >> And we hope you keep listening.
00:49:47
>> And we hope you >> keep it weird, but not so weird that you go to corpse medicine as a way to treat
00:49:54
your ailments. It's not going to work. >> It's not. But go listen to Mummy Dust by
00:49:58
Ghost. >> A mummy dust. >> Doesn't that talk about [ __ ] >> No, I don't even think it is.
00:50:04
>> Oh, it's not. >> It's literally about like snake oil salesman. >> Oh, that's like it's referring to
00:50:10
>> the corpse medicine aspect of it. >> This one goes out to Tobias Forge.