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Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. >> And I'm Elena. >> And this is Morbid. Not in the pod lab.
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>> Nope, we're in Elena's room. >> Woah. >> It's purple. >> It is purple. >> It's very comfy in here.
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>> It's a nice dark purple. >> Yeah. >> A deep dark purple. >> Me and Annie are painting our room and I
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think that I want to do like everything white with one accent wall, but then your room makes me feel like
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do I want it to be like darker and homier? >> That's why I like it cuz it's like
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moody. >> Yeah, you're a moody [ __ ] >> I'm a moody [ __ ] so this works out really well.
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>> But this isn't a decorating podcast. >> It's not. >> What are we talking about this week?
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Death, crime, Jesus. >> Yeah. But you know what? This one is kind of good because it has
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a happy ending. >> Hey. >> So, I mean there's some there's some [ __ ] along the way.
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>> Spoiler alert. >> For sure. But we're going to be doing one where some badass lady
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somehow, against all odds, in a situation that none of us could even fathom being in, somehow pulled her [ __ ]
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together and survived. >> Yeah, this case is bananas. >> Like badass woman alert.
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>> Bam. >> We are doing the case of Mary Vincent. >> And she is a baller. >> She really is.
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And we're going to focus mostly on Mary. >> Mhm. >> We are going to talk about her attacker
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because he did some other [ __ ] too, that affects her as well. But we're going to focus it mostly on Mary.
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>> Yeah, cuz she's a badass. >> Because she's where it's at. There's a little true crime news that I'm sure
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everybody has heard about by now. We might have a new very prolific serial killer on our hands. He's caught,
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luckily, but this could be insane. He could be one of the worst. >> Yeah, I don't know much about this, so
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fill me in. >> So, this guy's name is Samuel Little. He doesn't have three names, but you know,
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we'll take it. Basically, he could be one of the deadliest serial killers in history,
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which is crazy. He has admitted to Texas Rangers that he played part in more than
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90 unsolved murders in 10 states. >> Woah. >> Uh so, he is 78 years old now, and he's
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serving three life sentences in California for killing three women. So, he's already
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he's already away forever. >> And they said that so far they're able to match over 30 cases to him so far.
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Yeah. >> And that's that's like all that they like that's crazy. >> so far, and they said they have no false
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information coming from him. It's all been up to snuff so far. >> How did they How did they get him?
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>> I don't know exactly how he got arrested but for the three women, but he obviously he got caught for other
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murders. >> [ __ ] >> Um and like I said, he would this would make him one of the most prolific serial
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killers in US history. Ted Bundy confessed to 30. >> Mhm. >> John Wayne Gacy killed at least 33 boys,
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but I think the Green River Killer had 49 that he was convicted of. He confessed to 71.
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>> Woah. >> So, this guy would pass him, which is insane. >> Damn. Wait, so he has 30 and how many
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more >> They've at least been able to connect 30 to him, but he's confessed to 90. And
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he's giving information to police about these 90. >> [ __ ] do you kill 90 people?
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>> I'm saying. I guess he started way back in the '70s. >> The '70s were a wild time.
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>> Yeah, they really were. He's he's linked to possible deaths in Florida, Georgia,
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Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, and Texas. >> Wow. >> Yeah. So, this is kind of an ongoing
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thing, so it's going to be kind of one of those things that more [ __ ] is going
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to leak out as we go. >> Woah. >> But, it's crazy. So, we'll definitely be on the lookout
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for that one. And I think the only other thing that's been happening lately is that Chris Watts [ __ ] the guy who
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killed his wife and his children and then blamed it on his wife cuz she's dead and can't defend herself.
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>> He's the male version of a [ __ ] >> Yeah, exactly. And now his mother is coming out and saying that the wife
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killed the kids. Like, "My baby couldn't have killed his whole family." And it's
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like, "That's exactly why your [ __ ] [ __ ] son is the way he is." Cuz his whole life his mother probably bailed
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him out of all his [ __ ] >> Everything. >> It's like, "Nope, you need to look in
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the mirror and know that your son is a [ __ ] monster who annihilated his entire family and his pregnant wife
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because he had a mistress. >> And how do you say that about somebody that's dead? Like, "Oh, no, they killed
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all the kids." >> It's like, you know not Oh, it just makes me crazy. That case makes me nuts.
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Um but yeah, so that's I think that's all the stuff we have to catch up on. >> The case that we're talking about this
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week is like one of my favorites. >> It is, it's such a good one. >> I heard this case when I first started
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listening to My Favorite Murder and I was in my car driving to work on the edge of my seat.
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>> Oh, yeah, it's insane. Like, there's um I'm sure you guys have all heard of the
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show I Survived. It's so good. It's so binge-worthy. It like but it's stress it's very heavy. There's a lot of heavy
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[ __ ] in that show. >> And I can't watch it like live. Like, I have to fast forward through the
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commercials. >> too, cuz I need to take a break. >> Yeah. And I have to fast forward through
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the commercials. >> Oh, yeah, for sure. >> Like, they keep you on such a >> Oh my god, yeah, cuz you know, you're
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like, "I know they're going to survive, but I need to know how." >> How did you do it?
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>> And this one in particular, I still to at this moment I still cannot understand
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how she got out of this situation. Oh, and I mentioned I mentioned I Survived because there was an episode about Mary
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and Vincent. So, go check it out because it's a really good episode. Listen to this first though.
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Keep listening. >> Please. >> So, let's dive in. September 29th, 1978. The 70s, man.
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>> Damn 70s. >> Mary Vincent was a 15-year-old girl living in Las Vegas. She, from all accounts, it seems like
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she kind of had a troubled home life. I don't think there was anything I actually I shouldn't say I don't
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think. There's not a lot known about her home life growing up. >> Right. >> I know she was in a military family. She
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probably moved a lot. At 15, she was kind of at odds with her parents. And from what I read, it seems like she ran
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away from home this day and she was going to be running away to California at 15, which is like so young to me.
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It's like I think of me when I was 15 and like I can't even >> Yo, sorry mom, but I was about to run
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away from home at 15. There's been plenty of times where I was like, I could run away.
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>> I could run away. 15 is a And you know what? 15 is a shitty age. >> Oh, yeah.
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>> I like I don't know anyone who's like, you know what? 15 was a great year for
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me. I had everything going on. I had it all figured out. >> They should have a show that's like 15 I
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survived. >> I survived 15. Cuz it really is that bad. >> It is. >> Like 15 for me was [ __ ] Absolute [ __ ]
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>> Yeah, same. >> So, thanks high school bullies or junior high bullies. So, yeah. So, she was living in Las
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Vegas. On this day, she was hitchhiking from Berkeley, which was her uncle's house in
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California. >> Okay. >> And she was hitchhiking to her grandfather's, which was somewhere near
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Los Angeles. I'm not sure exactly where. I also don't know California that well.
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Sorry, California. >> I was listening to California love on the way here. >> Of course you were.
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>> California love. >> Of course you are. So Or is it RIP? Or is he living somewhere?
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>> I don't think so. I wish. >> I know. I I love that conspiracy theory though. >> Actually shout out to Last Podcast on
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the Left just for like a quick little break. I was like I couldn't stop listening.
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>> Oh yeah. I Honestly I love Last Podcast on the Left. Every case that they have
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covered they have covered so well. Like they just did I'm just going to plug them like like they need it but
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whatever. They just did the West Memphis 3 which we will cover at some point but
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that's going to be a very long very research heavy case. >> Yeah. >> They did it in like three episodes and
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they did it so well cuz you feel like you know everything about that case but they did it and you felt like you
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learned more. Yeah, so shout out to them. So on this night on this day that she was hitchhiking she was standing on
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the side of the road with two other hitchhikers. They didn't know each other they were just all hitchhiking
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somewhere. They all had signs saying where they wanted to go. Now this is when Lawrence Singleton Larry pulled up
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in a blue van. Mary described him as looking like a friendly grandfather type. Like she was like he's older he
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looks like he could be my grandfather and he was old enough to be a grandfather. So she felt immediately
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like comfortable which is not a good thing. Also apparently he was wearing blue overalls and like here's the thing
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about old dudes in overalls. >> Don't trust them. >> Well especially you generally get two
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kinds of old dudes wearing overalls. Either sweet farmer types who just want to tell you the best way to get the
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beefiest tomato crops or hillbilly mutants who think you look like their sister.
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>> Hillbilly mutants always. >> so no bueno. >> So yeah [ __ ] overalls are a no.
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>> Yeah, don't get in the car with someone who has overalls. Like sorry everybody
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who wears overalls. I want a pair of overalls but don't get in the car with me. >> No.
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>> Like just don't do it. >> room for comfortability. >> Yeah, exactly. So Larry was like I only
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have room for one of you in here. Meanwhile, he had a van. >> Which is low-key alarm or excuse me,
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high-key alarm maybe. >> Like that's a that's a red flag. I think that's a red flag. Sir, you've got a
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van. Sir, you have a van. >> I don't know if you know what you're driving, but it's called a van.
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>> I have I'm small. I don't need a lot of room. So, already these these people with her were like,
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yeah, maybe you shouldn't go with him. And she was like, yo, I got to get to my grandfather's. She was tired. She'd been
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like, you know, >> She'd been hitchhiking for like 3 days, right? >> Yeah, and she he she was just like, I'm
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over this. I just want to get to my grandfather's house. So, Larry was a 51-year-old former merchant marine at
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the time. He had just been divorced from his second wife and had a teenage daughter
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that was also 15 at the time. He told Mary this immediately. He was like, I have a daughter your age who reminds me
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of you. >> okay, chill. >> And this further cemented his like, nice soul, you know, older man. He's a
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father. Like he has a kid my age. And that's exactly what he wanted. Um so, he told her he wasn't going to Los Angeles,
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but would happily take a detour to bring her there. He offered to drive her to Interstate 5,
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which is the fastest route south. And she was so desperate that she was like, yep, I'll just get in. We'll do this.
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So, she got in the car. Now, she said it was pretty uneventful for the most part
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in the car until obviously a big event happened, but at one point, she lit a cigarette and
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she sneezed. And he immediately reached out to feel her neck and asked if she was sick. Like he felt for like gland.
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>> I was going to say, that's weird. >> and that [ __ ] her. She was like, nope,
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don't touch me. Like that's weird that you just felt like you could touch my neck. And she said it made her comfort
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like uncomfortable. Like that weirded me out, but she ended nothing else really happened after that right away. So, she
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ended up nodding off and falling asleep. >> Don't fall asleep if you're hitchhiking.
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>> Yeah. In the '70s, this was totally acceptable. Everyone was hitchhiking, which I think we learned now that that
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was a bad idea because a lot of these people ended up dead. But now definitely don't hitchhike
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>> the rules of hitchhiking. One, don't. Two, don't fall asleep. >> Yeah. >> I'm sure we'll come up with more.
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>> Exactly. Uh so she ended up falling asleep. When she woke up she noticed that they were not going to
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LA as promised, but instead were going east toward Modesto. So immediately she started to panic. She saw that there was
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a stick or like a like a little yardstick or a surveyor stick on the floor of the van, so she grabbed it,
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held it out, and demanded. She was like, "Where the what the [ __ ] You're supposed to be taking me to Los
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Angeles." >> makes my stomach hurt. >> So he was like, "Oh my god, I'm so sorry." And he said he said, "I am an
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honest man and it was an honest mistake. I'm so sorry." >> Yeah, right. >> So he was like, "You know what? I'm
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going to take you there. I'm really sorry. I just wasn't paying attention." And she was like, "Okay, well [ __ ]
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take me there." So he was like, "All right, let's pull over quickly so I can relieve myself and then we'll be on our
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way." So they pulled over. He gets out of the car and he goes somewhere to piss.
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She gets out of the car to stretch her legs and she said she reached down to tie her shoes and that's when Larry
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snuck up behind her and hit her in the head with a hammer. >> Dear god. First of all, how did she even
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survive that? >> Exactly. And she immediately went out like unconscious. When she woke up, she
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was completely naked and tied up. >> Oh my god, I hate this. >> Right away after waking up, he forced
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her to perform sexual acts on him. He also said something really disgusting as he was doing this that I'm not going
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to repeat because it stresses me out too much. But he was gross. He was a pig. He
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like shoved himself in her mouth basically. He then raped her and sodomized her. He then threw her in the
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back of the van, drove to another secluded area, and repeatedly raped her again.
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She recalls at least six to eight times that he raped her and she said it hurt a
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lot the entire time. >> god. >> During this, he also made her drink some weird unknown substance from a plastic
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jug that she assumes is alcohol, but she said it made her pass out. So, it could
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have been anything. Uh she passed out several times, and when she woke up at one point, he had thrown her onto the
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ground on the side of the road and forced her to lay down. Now, she's naked, completely naked and tied up. She
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started begging him to set her free because she was like, "What's going to happen next?" He said, "Quote, you want
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to be set free? I'll set you free." Then, he went to the van, grabbed a hatchet, and returned back to her. He
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then held her down as she [ __ ] fought and screamed and chopped her right arm off. He then hacked at her left arm
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until it was severed just below the elbow. >> Oh my god. >> It took three strokes of the hatchet to
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sever that arm off. >> god. >> He cut both her [ __ ] arms off while she was conscious with it, the whole
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thing. Fighting the whole time. [ __ ] hacked her arms off of her body. Like >> sick [ __ ]
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>> That is some [ __ ] >> And like what does that mean? Like, "Oh, I'll set you free by chopping your arms
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off?" >> Yeah, he's literally cuz and you'll hear he says it again. So, he like he's
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having to hold this poor nude woman down while she's screaming and crying and he's hacking her arms off. Like that is
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that's beyond my comprehension. >> Like who does that? >> Yeah. So, she fell on her onto her back after
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this, obviously, cuz he was like holding her up hacking at her arms. And she said
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she caught a glimpse of him like twisting and shaking his arm. And what was happening was her arm was still
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attached to his arm, and he was trying to fling it off. Yeah. He then rolled her down a 30-ft
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embankment and stuffed her into a cement drainage pipe. When he left, he said, "Okay, now you're free." And this place
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turned out to be Del Puerto Canyon, which I'm not familiar with, but I'm sure Californians will know. Um so,
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yeah, he leaves and says, "Okay, now you're free." >> I'd be like, um >> So, I think to him, he was like, "Oh,
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you want to be free? I'll untie you. And I'll leave you here, and you can get out
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if you want." Like, I think to him, he was like, "You're going to die, but like, you're free. Like, good luck."
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>> What is Like, what the [ __ ] is wrong with you, dude? >> blew my mind. So, he immedi- Obviously,
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he thinks she's dead. She's been wailed on the head. She's been repeatedly raped. And she's had her [ __ ] arms
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chopped off, and she's >> going to bleed out and die. >> And she's also been rolled down a 30-ft
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embankment. Like, that There's so much here. So, he left her alone to die and sped off.
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>> she [ __ ] survives. >> Yeah, just keep that in mind. She comes out of this. She is kicking, breathing,
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thriving today. >> She's a bad [ __ ] >> So, at this point, she was like, "Okay,
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I could die here, or I could fight and stop In In her mind, she said, "I can stop him from doing this to someone
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else." >> Good for her. >> That was her thought process was I can't let him do this to someone else.
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>> How do you have that coherent thought process when somebody just chopped your
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[ __ ] arms off? >> It is like fight or flight, and she chose [ __ ] fight. So, at this moment,
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she was like, "I need to for- I need to stay awake." So, she forced herself to stay awake because if she allowed
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herself to pass out, she would just bleed to death. She would just fall asleep and never wake up. Now, think of
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all those times you've just been sitting on the couch and you hit that wall of exhaustion all of a sudden, and you can
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barely keep your eyes open. Now, think of that, but your arms have been chopped off. You've been force-fed some kind of
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weird alcoholic substance, and you've been hit in the head with a hammer and raped repeatedly.
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>> How I don't even know how to >> Like, I never want to say I'm tired. >> Mary's like, [ __ ] you. I'm never tired.
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>> So, she forced herself to stay awake, and she said, quote, "He threw me off a
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cliff. I should have broken bones. I should have bled to death. I didn't, and I never passed out. I remember
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everything. I wanted to give up and go to sleep, but I felt someone there with me. A presence who wanted me to survive.
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A voice told me to get up and get help, or someone else would die." >> Wow. >> Girl.
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>> I got chills. >> I can't She's uh Mary. >> Mary. >> Look, I just can't even. >> Mary Mary quite contrary.
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>> Oh, you are just I don't know how you did this, man. So, she she ended up losing 50% of her body's blood supply.
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>> How does she How did she not pass the [ __ ] out? >> Cuz she's a [ __ ] warrior.
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Um to stop it from getting worse, she packed her arms with mud to cut off the flow of blood.
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>> Jesus. >> First of all, I would I am 33 years old, almost, and I work in the medical field, and I
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don't think that would immediately be my like, I need to pack these severed arms
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with blood. >> She was 15 years old. >> And how did you do that with both of your arms cut off? Like, you didn't even
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have another arm to pack with. >> I It There's just so much about this that I'm like, who are you? What are
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you? What kind Like, we don't deserve you, Mary. >> No. >> So, she walked herself up the 30-ft
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cliff she had been rolled down without arms. Like, think about that for a second. How hard that would be to do
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with arms, walking up a 30-ft cliff. >> without arms. >> It took her hours and hours and hours of
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fighting up this hill with only 50% of her body's blood and a head wound. >> Jesus Christ.
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>> And she said it took all day, like a full day to get up that 30-ft cliff. >> I believe it.
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>> So, she finally reached the cuz she said she could hear the freeway above. She
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just wanted to get there. She's like, I just got to get there. So, she finally reaches the freeway and ended up walking
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for three more miles before seeing a car finally. It was a convertible with two men in it. They pulled over uh like a
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little bit, but once they saw her, they sped off. And I mean, she was nude, she was
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completely battered, she had no [ __ ] arms. >> They probably didn't even think it was
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real. >> bleeding profusely. That's horror movie [ __ ] Like that And she says to this
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day, she said she can totally understand why they were terrified and sped off. Like she was like, I do not hold that
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against like So, she said at the time she was holding up what was left of her arms in the air
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so, quote, the muscles and blood wouldn't fall out. >> Wow. >> So, she was holding her [ __ ] like
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what's left of her arms up in the air. Now, luckily, a couple who were tourists and had like taken a wrong turn, like
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what a wrong turn. >> Weren't they on their honeymoon or something? >> I think they were.
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>> they were too. >> I've read that a couple of times. Yeah, so they might have been on their
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honeymoon, I think. They picked her up and they immediately wrapped her in linens from their car before driving her
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to a nearby airport and calling 911. Now, I mean, because it was the '70s, they didn't have a cell phone, so they
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had to drive to a phone. Uh, all she could say was, quote, he raped me over and over again.
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>> Oh my god. >> She went by helicopter to the hospital. And at the hospital like she just continues to be like a
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[ __ ] warrior. She gets to the hospital and she doesn't sit there and be like, all right, now I'm going to
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take a break and like rest to my my weary soul right now. She was like, nope, I can describe this [ __ ]
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to an absolute [ __ ] T. Let me give you it. >> Wow. >> So, she could describe him so perfectly
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that the composite sketch of him was like a photo, they said. >> We'll post it. >> Yeah, it was immediately released to the
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media and Larry's own neighbor, who was his friend, like was a friend of his, saw it and was like, whoa, that's Larry.
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And they called and told the police, I know who that is. And it was their friend. That's how clear it was that
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they were like, that's [ __ ] Larry. >> That's insane. >> Mary also picked his picture out of six
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others before the grand jury at one point. >> Wow. >> So, uh in 1979, he went to So, they picked him up.
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There's not a lot of like how they found him or you know, like she she knew who he was. She picked him.
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>> Look at this [ __ ] >> That's That's a dude. >> Oh. >> He dead now, so that's
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>> looks like a penis. >> Yeah, his nose is a lot. So, in 1979, he went to court and Mary testified against
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him. After all she went through at 15 years old. >> That is insane. >> Badass. Uh Mary stood up in front of the court,
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pointed one of her hooked prosthetic arms at him, and she was like, "That's [ __ ] him." And she She will to this
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day, she will only refer to him as {quote} my attacker. She won't refer to him as And he doesn't
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>> [ __ ] deserve it. >> doesn't. So, Larry said he was drunk that night and described Mary as {quote} a $10 [ __ ]
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>> What the [ __ ] >> Yeah. He also claimed that the two other hitchhikers were in the van as well,
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including another Larry. So, he said if anything happened to Mary in his van, and the blood and other physical
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evidence presented at trial proved that it did, then he said the crimes must have been committed by {quote} the other
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Larry. >> Like >> Yeah. So, he insisted on being framed. Later, when he became a little more
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forthcoming, he mentioned that he had cut off her hands because he wanted to remove the ID. Yeah. Dental records are
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a thing, you [ __ ] $10 dumbass. But, uh after testifying, Mary quickly left the
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courtroom and she did this because Larry made a very quiet comment to her, and she just
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rushed out of the courtroom. Later, he admitted what he said to her. >> I remember that.
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>> He told her {quote} "I'll finish this job if it takes me the rest of my life."
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>> Like, go [ __ ] yourself. >> you kidding? Like, can you [ __ ] imagine that? After all you've gone
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through, this dude's like, "I'm going to finish this." Like, [ __ ] >> I feel like, I'll finish you, sir.
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>> She was obviously [ __ ] terrified. Um afterwards her parents came to get her, but in but she said they were kind
00:23:10
of like they couldn't really help. Like they didn't have the relationship that needed that they needed to help her.
00:23:16
>> Yeah. >> They said she said quote she ran away in the first place. Yeah, and she said
00:23:19
quote they couldn't handle it. They took it harder than me. I'm telling them I need you, but they couldn't do it. They
00:23:25
were more interested in what they felt about what happened to me than what I felt. So Larry ended up being convicted
00:23:31
of a whopping number of charges. Uh attempted murder, kidnapping, rape, sodomy, oral copulation, aggravated
00:23:39
mayhem, and the use of an axe to cause great bodily harm. Now at the time he got the max sentence for this, which was
00:23:47
only 14 years in prison. >> I'll leave. >> Like are you kidding me right now? Well,
00:23:52
it gets worse. >> All those charges and you get 14 years? Like what the [ __ ] >> those like terrifying charges.
00:23:58
>> somebody's arms off. >> [ __ ] attempted murder. Like it's insane. He thought she was dead. He left
00:24:03
there thinking she was dead. She was going to die. Well, it gets worse. He only served 8
00:24:09
years out of that because he got off on good behavior. >> Okay, good behavior? You [ __ ] chopped
00:24:14
somebody's arms off. >> Exactly. It's like I don't give a [ __ ] if you always, you know, keep your cell
00:24:21
clean and always say please and thank you to the prison guards. I don't give a [ __ ] You tried to you raped somebody
00:24:26
repeatedly and tried to chop their arm and try and chop their arms off. >> and said it was the other Lawrence.
00:24:31
>> Yeah. [ __ ] poor other Larry that probably doesn't exist. Um well, it gets even worse. When he got
00:24:38
out, he immediately tried to sue Mary. >> For what? >> So while in jail, he said, and this is
00:24:45
where I get funny, he said he considered the alleged events and he was like nope,
00:24:49
I didn't do that. >> Oh my god. >> He said he remembers Mary threatening to accuse him of rape and that she had
00:24:55
brandished a stick at him. He said that's why he became violent. So, he filed a complaint suing Mary for {quote}
00:25:02
forcible kidnap for the purposes of robbery. Are you kidding me? >> Luckily, the courts dismissed it.
00:25:08
>> They were like, yeah, you can go [ __ ] yourself. >> a [ __ ] [ __ ] So, after he got out of jail, after 8
00:25:16
years, 8 years later. >> goodbye. >> Like she's barely even beginning to cope with this at this point. So, well, she
00:25:23
said she was afraid to stay in one place for too long. She went through a series
00:25:27
of bodyguards, and she ended up living in a deserted gas station at one point. >> Holy [ __ ]
00:25:32
>> Yeah, like she really like went down a bad path. She said she was depressed, she had crazy anxiety.
00:25:38
>> she did. >> suffered. I mean, with family, friends, like romantic relationships, like it was
00:25:43
a really dark time. She eventually had two sons of her own, and in her words, {quote} when I became a mother, I really
00:25:50
had something big to live for. And she says there, like, what caused her. >> That's so messed up.
00:25:56
>> I love it. >> I mean, his release was controversial, obviously, to Mary, but it was
00:26:01
controversial to everyone, because it was >> like any nobody wanted him to live anyway.
00:26:05
>> Yeah, it well, it was bonkers, because I mean, that's 8 years. Every and his own
00:26:09
daughter didn't want him loose. >> Wow. >> So, his own daughter said that he had
00:26:14
attacked and abused her and her mother. And in fact, her mother once told her that she was surprised that she had been
00:26:21
born without complications, because Larry had beat her mother while she was pregnant with her.
00:26:25
>> Oh my god. >> Yeah. So, when she when she found out that he was getting out of jail, she
00:26:30
also fled and hid, like >> That's what I would do. >> uh Mary did. She asked law enforcement
00:26:35
if there was any way they could keep him behind bars. >> Like, what the [ __ ] Florida?
00:26:38
>> Yeah. And she recently Well, this wasn't this wasn't in Florida. >> Oh, I thought it was.
00:26:46
>> No, this was in California. >> Oh. >> But, um >> Didn't he I think he ended up in to
00:26:50
>> yeah. We're going to get to that. What the [ __ ] California? So, his daughter, who I won't name cuz I
00:26:57
don't know if she wants her name out there, she recently spoke to a woman who runs the site familyarrested.com,
00:27:03
which helps family members of like shitty people who have done awful things cope with their own like victimhood.
00:27:10
>> Yeah, I'm sure you >> Cuz it's such a it's such a unique experience to be like the daughter of a
00:27:14
[ __ ] monster or the sister or the spouse or the mother, you know? Um so, she had this to say to this woman about
00:27:22
her father. It's a big long quote. "Six years into my father's sentence, I knew he was getting out early as an {quote}
00:27:29
ideal inmate. So, in 1984, when I was 21, 3 years prior to his proposed parole, I called the California prison
00:27:37
where he was staying, San and it was San Luis Obispo's California Colony for Men.
00:27:43
I told whoever I talked to, I wasn't sophisticated enough then to take names or notes, that I was afraid my father
00:27:50
would remain a threat to my safety and was in general still dangerous. When I was 21, I quickly made several
00:27:56
changes to my life. I graduated from college with my first degree. I changed my last name legally. I moved from
00:28:02
Nevada to California, then moved back to Nevada to marry my college boyfriend. When I left Reno, I told an anyone whom
00:28:10
my father might possibly contact to try to find me to tell him I {quote} flaked out or something.
00:28:16
Got married to someone they didn't know and left town. I gave them a PO box so we could stay in touch. I realize how
00:28:22
naive this sounds today as I write this, but I was concerned he might hurt or harass them. When I was about 20 years
00:28:28
old with the assistance of a PhD psychology intern, I had written a letter to my father telling him I was
00:28:33
terminating our relationship. I asked California prison personnel, "What could be done to keep him in longer?" and I
00:28:39
was told there was nothing. They suggested I retain obtain a restraining order at the time of his release. Sorry,
00:28:46
but I mean this quite sarcastically. I tell you he is a danger. I said that before the first crime. I've changed my
00:28:53
name multiple times and I'm moving across state lines, and you all suggest a piece of paper that will tell him
00:28:58
exactly where I am, what my name is, and not and not to come within say 300 ft of
00:29:03
of me? The neighbor woman who I had moved in with and lived with from about age 15 and a half until I was 18 had
00:29:10
discouraged me both from terminating with the relationship and from considering changing my name.
00:29:16
She told me it was my quote responsibility to, I don't know, not hide. I then and now wonder if she was
00:29:22
not motivated by fear of my father. >> That's insane. That's his own daughter. >> I've said that so many times, but I feel
00:29:27
like it's it's so insane. >> And that's it's like that's his [ __ ] daughter. >> She was always like so afraid I mean she
00:29:34
obviously was so afraid of him. >> Oh, yeah. And to hear that he not only abused her, but abused her mother too
00:29:42
before she was born and while she was gestating, like that's insane. >> Like I would say that it takes like a
00:29:48
like super [ __ ] up person to like hurt a pregnant person, but this guy literally chopped somebody's arms off.
00:29:53
>> Yeah, so it's like he is >> He has no low. >> He doesn't. I don't know where he would
00:29:58
have. It's it's shocking that he didn't start earlier and didn't rack up a higher
00:30:03
>> I sincerely hope that like there is a hell just for people like this. >> Yeah, just something something like
00:30:08
that. Um well, obviously his his daughter was very right to be concerned because
00:30:15
um when he got out, when he was paroled, California was like, nope. We don't want
00:30:20
him. So, they pros- they protested to not allow him to move into their communities. Literally one California
00:30:27
community after another told parole officials that they could not relocate him there.
00:30:32
>> Good. >> Um he was finally forced to live in a mobile home on the grounds of San
00:30:37
Quentin Prison until the end of his parole in 1988. So, wherever he was going next, he had to
00:30:43
register, which he went to the Florida. So, he had to register with the state of
00:30:47
Florida as a convicted felon. Uh his move to Florida, where he was originally from, was
00:30:54
uh not smooth. >> What happened? >> Um he was one of eight kids in his family originally, and that's where he
00:31:00
was from, like I said. So, he had a lot of siblings living in California or Florida still. And at first, he moved
00:31:06
into his brother's home, which soon became a target for people who were like, "This is a [ __ ] crazy person.
00:31:12
Why is he coming into our community?" They had a firebomb tossed into their front yard.
00:31:17
>> god. >> Um protesters showed up at court hearings where he appeared um because he ended up having some I think
00:31:24
it was like shoplifting charges in Florida cuz he just kept being a [ __ ] >> And of course.
00:31:29
>> he would go to court hearings for that, protesters would show up. [ __ ] cuz I
00:31:33
think between 1990 and 1991, he was arrested three times shoplifting. At one hearing for these, he described himself
00:31:40
as, quote, "a confused, muddle-headed muddle-headed old man." >> Yeah, you're more than that.
00:31:46
>> how he's just like, "I'm just confused." Like >> I'm just an old man. >> You don't seem confused.
00:31:50
>> No, you just seem like a giant [ __ ] >> So, after living with his brother, his
00:31:55
brother was like, "Yo, you got to get out of here because this firebomb's being tossed into my yard."
00:32:00
Uh so, he moved into another home that was owned by his family in Orient Park in Tampa.
00:32:05
His new neighbors thought he was a [ __ ] great guy. >> Oh god. >> Yeah. Um his next-door neighbor at the time,
00:32:12
Tom Bennett, said, quote, "We were scared of him at first, but every day he'd talk to you. He'd cook steaks and
00:32:19
bring them to you." Don't eat those. He fixed up his property really good. He was the neighbor you dream of. I started
00:32:25
to believe him. Maybe he was framed. >> Nah, he wasn't. >> Nah. Well, they find out that he wasn't. Uh
00:32:32
so, he I mean, he lived alone. He spent most of his time just remodeling his house and landscaping his property.
00:32:39
Several of his brothers and their wives visited often. He had a dog named Carla,
00:32:44
who was a Rottweiler that he apparently loved. Uh they said he was also solicitous, offering to repair a
00:32:50
neighbor's broken mailbox one day. Um he would go to see his neighbors like bands
00:32:55
play at bar like he was very much in the neighborhood. Like a part he was like one of those
00:33:01
neighbors that's like in with everybody. >> a townie. >> Yeah, exactly, which is crazy. So some
00:33:06
of the neighbors knew his the the whole Mary Vincent thing, but some didn't. The ones who did were just
00:33:12
like forgiving eventually, which is crazy to me. I would >> Insane. >> I just wouldn't be.
00:33:18
>> If you chop off somebody's arms, you're just not good in my book. >> No, it's like I just can't for I can't
00:33:23
be like, well, maybe he was friend like no, that's too much. >> No. >> So one of his other neighbors said,
00:33:28
quote, we didn't like the idea that something had happened. Like what? But you can't make a big
00:33:34
thing about it if you want to give people a chance. >> Yeah, I don't want to give that many
00:33:38
people a chance. >> that they're just like, we don't like that something happened. Oh, something
00:33:42
happened? He [ __ ] blunt forced trauma'd, brutally raped, chopped arms off and threw a woman off a cliff.
00:33:51
Something happened. >> That's that's not really like just casual behavior. >> just like, you know, we don't love that
00:33:56
about him, but we're giving him a chance. >> I'm like, yeah, we're not going to do
00:34:02
that. I don't know. I feel like it's like when somebody's like like, yeah, I've been arrested for shoplifting quite
00:34:07
a bit. You're like, all right, I don't like that that much. I don't come to my house, please. Yeah, like don't come
00:34:11
around my valuables, but like I don't like it, but we'll give you a chance. This not so much. So this is
00:34:17
interesting. 3 weeks before he ended up being arrested in Florida for something we will talk about in a moment. Uh
00:34:23
neighbors had to save him from his van because he attempted suicide in his driveway.
00:34:28
His neighbors said he was found breathing the van's exhaust through a dryer hose that he had attached to the
00:34:33
tailpipe. After this, he spent about a week in a psychiatric ward before returning back to his home. Uh Tom
00:34:40
Bennett, his neighbor that said before like we were scared, but he was good and he cooked steaks. He was great.
00:34:45
He said, quote, "He told me he was feeling sorry for himself, but he didn't give any more explanation for why he did
00:34:51
that." >> sorry for yourself? Why don't you feel sorry for the girl whose arms you cut
00:34:54
off? >> Exactly. Well, about 6:00 p.m. on a Wednesday night in February 1997, Hillsborough County Sheriff's officials
00:35:03
said a man who had done some renovation work for Larry dropped by his house and heard uh what you might say is a
00:35:12
commotion inside. >> Uh-oh. >> So, he was like, "What the [ __ ] going on?" So, he peered in through a window
00:35:18
and he saw Larry butt ass naked in the living room choking and punching a woman and
00:35:26
stabbing her repeatedly. The woman was nude and on the couch and was screaming for help.
00:35:32
>> Jesus Christ. >> And he was they said he was like maniacally just stabbing at her and like
00:35:37
and punching her and >> Unbelievable. >> Yeah. A deputy who responded to the 911
00:35:43
call says Larry answered the door completely covered in blood. >> And he was just like, "Hey, what's up?"
00:35:49
>> Yeah. Yeah, he was just like, "Oh, hey." And the woman was dead. The victim was
00:35:53
identified as Roxanne Hayes. She was a 31-year-old sex worker and a Tampa resident and mother of three.
00:36:00
>> Oh my god, that's awful. >> Nobody knows exactly, you know, what the whole scenario was if she was there for
00:36:05
some other reason or if she was a like there on business purposes. Either way, it's [ __ ] awful. So, the state of
00:36:13
Florida flew Mary down for this trial. >> Hell yeah. >> Because she didn't have to testify, but
00:36:20
she was like, "Oh, I'm going to testify." Which is like, "Oh my god." >> "Oh, by the way, Lawrence, I'm going to
00:36:26
finish this." >> Yeah, like don't >> She's like, you thought you were about to finish something?
00:36:31
>> Crazy. So, she didn't flinch when they asked to identify him, and she said she
00:36:36
didn't dare take a deep look, either. She was like, I don't She said, quote, "I wanted to see his eyes. Eyes are
00:36:42
important. When he was on top of me attacking me, I was looking at the ax trying to stay alive. I asked later if I
00:36:48
could look at him in the eye, but it didn't happen." >> Ugh. >> Which is like, ugh. It's like just so
00:36:54
blah blah blah. >> So [ __ ] up. >> Now, this time he was convicted of murder and sentenced to death.
00:37:00
>> Good. Die, [ __ ] >> Unfortunately, he died in 2001 on death row of cancer at age 74, which is a
00:37:08
bummer. >> Yeah, I wish that he actually got to be in >> I hope he suffered. >> Yeah, I wonder Do you know what kind of
00:37:14
cancer he had? >> No, I don't. I tried to look it up, but I couldn't find it. >> I hope it was the worst one. I hope it
00:37:19
was penis cancer. >> You know penis cancer? >> I don't know. >> That particular one.
00:37:24
>> he had it. >> Uh yeah. >> That's what you get for raping people. >> Yeah, I hope he just had all the
00:37:29
cancers. >> Yeah. >> So, the prosecutor Donald Enstall, who uh is now retired, but he said, quote,
00:37:37
"I'm not going to say he's Hannibal Lecter, but once a guy like that has a certain bend, he follows it for the rest
00:37:43
of his life. This guy has a personality that's bent in the direction of going after women." Um so, this case actually
00:37:51
helped Donald Stall, the prosecutor, get legis legislation in front of the people it
00:37:58
needs to get in front of that would make mandatory terms for most violent crimes.
00:38:03
And as a result, they can now say that at this time, the [ __ ] that he did to Mary Vincent would result in a life
00:38:10
sentence. Like, that would not happen again the way it happened. Because they're like they're like, "Look, we
00:38:16
gave him 14 [ __ ] years, which is nothing, and then he got out in eight, and he immediately killed someone else.
00:38:22
>> Right. Obviously, this is This is thing. >> Yeah. So, one of his neighbors said, quote, "When I found out about
00:38:32
what he had done, the first thing I thought was, should I have left that man in that van that day? If I had known, I
00:38:38
probably would have at least given it a second thought." >> Yeah, you should have.
00:38:41
>> Cuz that's the other thing. It's like now all these neighbors who like rushed
00:38:44
to help this guy were like, "Shit. We saved his life and he went on and killed someone."
00:38:49
>> Exactly. >> I I don't blame them for being like, "Should I have [ __ ] left him in his
00:38:53
van?" >> who knows if he like killed somebody else and that's why he was trying to
00:38:56
kill himself to get away with it. >> mean, we don't know. DNA it's in the '70s, it's so hard to pinch it on people
00:39:02
then. >> this guy killed other people. >> He could have done stuff before Mary, he
00:39:06
could have stuff done stuff, you know, in between. It's just crazy. So, as for Mary, who is the real star of
00:39:13
this whole thing, she says that she still has a lot of nightmares. Um she's still afraid to go to sleep and
00:39:19
can't sleep for very long when she uh when she actually does. >> She says, quote, "I've broken bones
00:39:27
thanks to my nightmares. I've jumped up and dislocated my shoulder just trying to get out of bed. I've cracked ribs and
00:39:33
smashed my nose. Every day I pray to God to make a space I can breathe in, and every day God gives it to me." And she's
00:39:40
now an artist. She doesn't have arms, and she's a [ __ ] artist. >> god. >> And this is a skill that she said she
00:39:49
just happened after this whole thing. She said she couldn't draw a straight line before this.
00:39:53
>> That's a miracle. >> Yeah, which is insane. >> So, she does she draw with like
00:39:57
prosthetics? >> Yeah, like she uses her prosthetic hooks, and that's the other thing. She's
00:40:00
like a tinkerer, so she makes her own prosthetics to like work with what she wants to do.
00:40:05
>> Wow. >> Yeah. She said and this I love this. She says she has entered the third phase of
00:40:09
this whole ordeal now. She says first she was a victim, then a survivor, and now she's an artist.
00:40:15
>> That's awesome. >> Which I love. I love that. Um and as an artist she focuses on she
00:40:20
says she focuses on powerfully upbeat women. She uses chalk pastels and she works in
00:40:27
a vein that kind of blends like the Vargas pin-up girl style and she creates her own basically like femme fatale
00:40:36
action figures which is I just think it's so badass. >> That is. >> And oh yeah, so like I said she's like a
00:40:42
tinker and she makes her own [ __ ] She uses spare parts from broken down refrigerators and old stereo systems to
00:40:48
modify them like her prosthetics to be what she needs them. Like the fingers turn in all directions like and she does
00:40:57
it herself. She said quote, I like to tinker. So did my grandfather. He was an artist too. I guess I get it from him.
00:41:03
>> Aw. >> There's all this stuff in the world that's been discarded. If you keep
00:41:07
working with it, it will work with you. >> Which I'm like I love that. >> that. >> And she
00:41:13
she started the Mary Vincent Foundation to advocate for teenage victims of sexual assault which
00:41:19
yeah. >> And she and I'll just end this with a quote from her. She said quote, I've
00:41:24
never indulged myself in anger and hate. I wouldn't be here if I had. >> That is so [ __ ] big of her because I
00:41:30
would be the most angry hateful person if this [ __ ] happened to me. >> thing. It's like how do you not come out
00:41:35
of that with so much hate, anger, just bitterness, like just so paranoid of everything right which I know she
00:41:42
probably was is paranoid at times but like for her to come out and just be like nope, like I'm not going to take
00:41:48
that. >> her life like the best that she can. >> And it's like and she >> remarkable way.
00:41:53
>> And she must be so [ __ ] annoyed that it's like they gave him such a lenient
00:41:57
sentence and he went out and killed a woman. >> because that was her main thing that she
00:42:01
like went to trial for so that he wouldn't do it again. >> Exactly. And that's the whole reason she
00:42:05
survived. Her whole mindset was I have to survive so he doesn't do this to someone else. And then the system let it
00:42:13
happen again. After she [ __ ] survived all that [ __ ] and like used every fiber
00:42:20
and cell in her body to survive that whole thing just so not for herself but for her him not to do this for someone
00:42:27
else the system allowed him to just walk out and do it again. >> So messed up. >> And it's like the poor family of you
00:42:35
know Roxanne this could have been avoided this dude shouldn't have been out in the [ __ ]
00:42:40
>> Yeah. >> Her three children it's like this dude shouldn't have been out loose and I'm
00:42:45
sure his neighbors cuz I know I read a lot about his neighbors being like this dude should not have been allowed to
00:42:50
live near us like this into interact with us and become part of us like this is crazy.
00:42:56
I'm so glad that this case which is I mean this is all like because of Mary. Like that this case changed
00:43:03
things so that this kind of attack is not seen as something that you get a max of 14 years and serve 8 years
00:43:11
for you know like now you're getting life for this kind of [ __ ] >> Because if you're capable of doing this
00:43:15
you're not going to be rehabilitated it's just not something that's going to happen.
00:43:20
>> no no >> It makes so much sense. It's like that and pedophilia. Pedophilia you can't rehabilitate it.
00:43:28
>> No. >> Like those people need to be like away from the rest of society and I have no
00:43:32
[ __ ] qualms saying that. >> No it's true. >> But yeah so that is the [ __ ] bonkers story of Mary [ __ ]
00:43:43
Vincent. >> That is I can't even. >> The patron saint of badass [ __ ] Like she needs her own you know those
00:43:52
true crime candles? >> Oh my god yeah. >> Which also like someday I hope our faces
00:43:56
are on one of those that's like my goal that's the goal that's the dream. >> Oh my god.
00:44:01
>> Like just putting that out there true crime candles someday someday someday we'll earn it someday.
00:44:06
>> But she needs to be on one of those. >> one. >> But, you have a duck face. >> I wouldn't.
00:44:14
>> I But, Mary Vincent needs to be one of those. >> Yeah, she does. She needs an I survived
00:44:18
candle. >> She needs to like she needs to be a candle that's like the patron saint of
00:44:22
bad assery. >> I want that. I'd buy that. >> Yeah, I want that. >> I'd buy that for a lot of money.
00:44:26
>> That's just our little, you know, pitch true crime candles. So, yeah. So, that
00:44:31
was At least that one was a good one. It had It had a real bummer in the beginning. It had a real bummer in the
00:44:37
middle. But, I You know, in the end >> He died. >> At least he's dead. And >> beautiful artist.
00:44:43
>> Yeah, and Mary's just this beautiful [ __ ] wildflower just floating through. And
00:44:49
>> She is a wildflower. >> So, that's a great one. And uh we hope you enjoyed that one. We'll do some more
00:44:55
of these like fun survival ones sprinkled in every now and then cuz they're nice to like have to die. Yeah,
00:45:01
I mean it it definitely gives the grizzly [ __ ] But, like it's nice to have that every once in a while to have
00:45:06
an end that's like, "Yeah, all right." So, we hope you guys enjoyed this. Like I said, we want to start getting out
00:45:11
some more content. We just have to kind of like make it work for us. >> Yeah. >> Uh
00:45:16
but, I promise we have so many cases we want to get to. So, we really do want to
00:45:20
just give you as much as we can. Um eventually we'll try to do two a week. We're definitely going to try to
00:45:26
do that. I think we can make it work sooner than later. We just kind of have to We'll We'll get it We'll get it
00:45:30
together. >> up. We'll get it together. >> it up. We'll We'll figure it out. Cuz I
00:45:33
know you guys will um be psyched to get more. So, we want to give you that cuz you're so amazing.
00:45:39
>> him anymore. >> And yeah, so uh we'll do another bonus episode uh very shortly. I think we In
00:45:47
fact, I know we are going to hit House of a Thousand Corpses. >> Woah. Woah. >> Cuz I'm very excited to show Ash that
00:45:53
for the first time. >> I have not seen it. >> And that I love doing that. I love
00:45:58
giving you like a first a first run. >> Yeah. >> It was like Freddy versus Jason. Yeah.
00:46:03
So, I love it. I love being the one to introduce you to this like [ __ ] up [ __ ]
00:46:06
>> Ew. >> So, we'll do House of a Thousand Corpses. Our next case is not going to
00:46:12
be a survived one. It's a one that I remember reading about like early in my true crime fascination. Not in right in
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the beginning, but it's one that I just remember like constantly coming up when I was reading. So, we won't tell you
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about it yet. >> We'll give Let's do Yeah, let's do the teasing. >> Yeah, we'll tease We'll tease it out.
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So, we'll see if anybody any of you true crime aficionados can snag which one it
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is. >> If you guess, you win. >> Yeah, if you get You know what? If you guess it right
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>> You win a >> We'll give you a sticker. >> Yeah, you get a sticker. >> Yeah, we'll get If you guess it right
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>> You're going to want to >> you a Morbid sticker. So, we'll put out some teasers and we'll see if anybody
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can get it. >> The first person to guess it right. >> Yeah, the first person to guess it
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right. >> Yeah. >> Cuz if everybody just repeats the same one and then we're going to have like
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400 stickers. >> realized that. >> So, the first person to get it right, we'll give a sticker to.
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>> You get a sticker and you >> You get a sticker. Everybody gets a sticker. >> Look under your chair.
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There's a sticker. >> There There's a sticker. Enjoy it. Imagine if that was part of
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Oprah's like thing when she's like, "And you get it. Look under your chairs." And
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they were like, "It's a sticker." And she was like, "It's a sticker." >> It's just Oprah's face.
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>> Thanks, [ __ ] Oprah. Uh so, yeah. Oh, um so, make sure you guys rate and review and uh it really helps us out.
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>> You threw in the [ __ ] I like that. >> I felt like I wanted to make it aggressive.
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>> be weird, be [ __ ] weird. >> weird, man. And don't sleep on the couch. >> And fresh air's for dead people.
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>> And don't hitchhike. And don't hitchhike. And if you do hitchhike, don't fall asleep. Yeah, definitely
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