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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Drew oh my God people drew is in the house what's good the Pod lab that smells so
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delicious because of you a oh and uh this is morbid [Music] [Music] foreign [Music]
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because we've got the pumpkin clove we've got like pumpkin pecan and Waffles freaking
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all the pumpkin yeah Bath and Body Works I know we were talking about it the other day on the episode and we were
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like true went to Bath and Body Works and got her it is Bath and Body Works right yeah I think we might have said
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Bed Bath and Beyond on the episode because somebody uh dm'd me on Instagram and was like wait what store did you
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mean yeah I went into Bath and Body Works and um they were very confused as to why I
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was in there and I clearly like didn't know what I was looking for um I just asked for the fall stuff
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where's the fall stuff out yeah my name's Drew I have a weird girlfriend she has a weird sister hit me with your
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fall stuff I love it no it smells really good in here um speaking of things that
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I said the wrong way actually I'm pretty sure a couple weeks ago I said that I got my eyelashes laminated and before
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everybody comes for me or before you go to your lash person and ask if you can get your lashes laminated the answer is
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no I got my eyebrows limited yeah I was gonna say that's what it was but yeah yeah anyways so that's that's a quick
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little correction um so yeah Drew's going to be on this episode because Elena and her little fam
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fam are on just a quick little vacay but don't worry she will be back actually well technically you'll feel like she's
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back on Wednesday because we got to do this really cool collab episode that's coming out on Wednesday and then I think
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Drew's probably gonna join me one more time for listener tales and Elena will be officially back for our Monday
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episode eight I don't know I think that's what's going on but you all know that I'm lost at all times so and I'm
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always just in the Pod lab so yeah and whenever we need anybody we're just like oh look Drew's right there
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perfect okay so yeah I thought that I was going to be telling Elena this story so um definitely hold on to your butt
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yeah I'm a little nervous um for anyone that doesn't know I'm not a big True Crime person but I do like to
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be on this podcast so I kind of set myself up for it I am a friend podcast that you would host
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yeah it's gonna be a lot I think you were in the living room last week when I was watching the documentary oh yes yeah
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um so I'm gonna be talking about Kelly Cochran today she's also known as The Devil Woman of Michigan oh so there's
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that yeah and the documentary that you I think you like were popping in and out of the house while I was watching it
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yeah you didn't get the full extent but you guys should definitely check it out it's on
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um investigation discovery so if you have Discovery plus check it out I think it's it's either three parts or four
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parts I can't remember but it's called Dead North okay and then I also read a book that's called where monsters hide
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and that was by mwbit nope it was by m William Phelps cool all right so you ready to start yeah you say this is in
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Michigan I did yeah so it's in Michigan and in uh Indiana okay hey Caleb all right so in October of 2014 when
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Chris Regan was reported missing by his ex-girlfriend Terry O'Donnell nobody really expected this like Tangled mess
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of spider webs and scary [ __ ] and just horrific overall stuff spider webs yeah
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because they're like yucky oh okay just like a trail of like so there's no actual like spider web
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storyline no okay I mean like maybe they're the spider webs like in their house like that oh okay gotcha don't
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hold on to like every last one sorry I'm kidding but no it was just gonna be like uncovering a whole bunch of nasty
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craziness while they were trying to find him okay so around the time that Chris was reported missing he actually was
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really supposed to be starting over he and his son were planning to move to Asheville North Carolina together and
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honestly it would be like the perfect place for the two of them because they both absolutely loved the outdoors and
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they were already planning all kinds of adventures together and they were just like really stoked to move out there
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together now Chris was a classic Outdoorsman while he was actually serving as Master
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Sergeant in the Air Force he was on the Air Force road racing team as a category
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2 cyclist racer and I didn't know what that meant so I looked it up so I'll let you know in like two seconds okay he
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loved riding bikes and he was really good at it and anybody in that high of a category for racing like a category 2
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has to consistently Place High in the races that they compete in which he was doing okay he had trophies from all
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around the world and he also loved being on the water he loved scuba diving kayaking he had his own kayak from the
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sounds of it like literally any outdoor activity would have been of interest to him yeah so like just like us oh yeah
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totally Outdoors no no we imagine us like doing it like trying to trying to ride a bike would just be something I
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used to be super outdoorsy like when I was younger and then I got older and I just you got it all out of your system
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yeah truly like the thought of going on a hike like I cannot I actually invited somebody on
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a hike um one of my one of my friends I was like oh do you want to get together next
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week and go on a hike and then I looked at the text like [ __ ] who are you like
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where why are you inviting people on Hikes yeah but I'm trying to get in I just said this life I just sent Elena
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and John because where they're going on vacation I'm very familiar with so I sent them this like cool like hike to go
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on and I'm like hehe have fun I don't think they're gonna be mad but Chris would have loved that
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recommendation so once he retired from the Air Force after serving 20 years he got a job at a factory where they made
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all the parts that would be used on Navy ships uh his particular role at that factory he was team leader so he would
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oversee any major project and his co-workers really looked up to him they had a lot of respect for him and even
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like the higher-ups who were higher than him and the company they loved him too they all said that he was incredibly
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organized that he paid attention to detail he was always on time showing up for work at 5am on the dot and he was
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just always in a good mood so Chris's time at the company though obviously was coming to an end because
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he was moving with his son in fact he had already got a job lined up in North Carolina and right around the time he
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disappeared he was actually supposed to be heading into North Carolina heading out there to do a routine drug test
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before he was like officially hired but he pretty much had the job yeah now Kristin didn't do drugs so there was
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nothing to worry about there but what was worrisome was that he wasn't answering any texts or calls from the
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son that he was moving with or from his ex-girlfriend Terry that he was still friends with now things were especially
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troubling to Terry when she got a call from one of Chris's co-workers at the factory
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this co-worker wanted Terry to know that Chris's car was parked at the Bates park
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and ride and it had been there for a while now Chris drove a 2013 Hyundai Genesis that he absolutely adored like
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everybody said he loves that car those are nice cars yeah I would love that car too I Googled a
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picture of it and she's pretty slick yeah so Terry was more free more than freaked out because she was like this
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car has been parked there multiple days in a row and there's no sign of him coming or going and the co-worker was
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like no like it's been in the same spot wow so when she first contacted the police they were actually a little bit
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suspicious of Terry herself they were worried that you know maybe she's some kind of jolted lover she's jealous that
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he's moving la la whatever but the more and more that they started talking to her they were like no like she's
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definitely distraught like she very much loves him and actually it was the police
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chief Laura frizzo who plays like obviously she's the police chief but she plays a major part in this case and she
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said that when she was talking to Terry she was like there was just something in
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her eye that wouldn't have been there if she had been involved in this okay so they actually oops I just hit my
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microphone sorry they actually met when Terry was working as a teacher in Iron River Michigan and Chris was actually
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still in the Air Force but he decided to move out there while they were dating I
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think it was when he was already retired from the Air Force yeah not only to enjoy a lot of the outdoor activities
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that Iron River Michigan can provide but obviously also to be closer to Terry but things in their relationship started
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to sour when Terry suspected that Chris might be seeing another woman behind her
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back never good never good so unfortunately Terry's suspicion did turn out to be true Chris was having an
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affair and he was having an affair with a married woman that he worked with Kelly Cochran also known as The Devil
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Woman of Michigan that freaks me out and I'm scared to find out why you should be
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so it was something that he tried to keep very under the radar this affair and when people started talking at work
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like Chris knew that Kelly maybe had led on to something yeah and he got upset with her knowing full well that she
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probably validated these people's questions and in my personal opinion I feel like he wanted to keep his affair
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with Kelly private for many reasons but I think the biggest two that at least I can think of or number one he valued his
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job and he was very well respected at his job so yeah he didn't want to lose it or have his reputation tarnished by
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some todrey fair and I also think that he was worried about being judged because
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think the way that we can put it is just that he and Kelly were from two different walks of life many would
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[Music] so there were other factors too there was a 20-year age difference between the
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two of them and of course the fact he was already seeing somebody was he older he was older yes okay but obviously I'm
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sure you know as well as I do work word spreads quickly in a work environment and pretty much everyone was aware that
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at least something was going on between the two of them yeah so Kelly wasn't from the area she had actually moved
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pretty recently to Iron River Michigan in February of 2014 with her husband Jason okay now she and Jason had known
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each other their entire lives they actually grew up next to each other in Merrillville Indiana Kelly say it again
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imagine that like growing up next to someone and then like they're your husband I know that would be crazy and
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the funny thing is that like even her mom was like I never suspected that the two of them would have gotten together
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yeah that's crazy it kind of seems like everybody was a bit surprised when they decided to start going out like they
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were friendly but they were it seemed in my opinion like they were more just friend friends because their friends
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were friends and be like happenstance that they live next door to each other yeah yeah but yeah I don't know so Kelly
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was the oldest of three kids and she gave her parents her parents were Tim and Melanie gaboyan she gave them a lot
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of Hell while she was growing up she started using drugs at a really young age she would run away from home at
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least on two occasions she actually at one point had to be placed in a girl's home while she was a teenager because
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her parents just couldn't get her to stop doing drugs sneaking out partying all of the above and then when she was
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18 she was kicked out of the home because she wasn't following any of the rules there either
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but then she kind of just started getting her [ __ ] together and decided that she wanted to go to college okay
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I'm not sure if she was still using drugs but she was like you know what I want to go to college now it turned out
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that her neighbor Jason wanted to go to the same University that she did Purdue and around that same time she was
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actually spending more and more of her free time with Jason I think the other thing was that it was just like
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um convenient you know like you're both going to the same school you both live next door to each other yeah like you
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and I know too because like when you're all your friends leave for college I think you start to cling on to people
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like more than you usually would oh totally like yeah I was gonna share a story and then I was like probably won't
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I was like I'm actually sitting here with my fiance yeah I know I was just thinking of like types where like
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um when I dropped out of college just suddenly on a Tuesday afternoon and got home
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got home and like no one was there except for like a couple of my friends and you just kind of like all like flock
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together but yeah totally and then you like you kind of date people that like you probably wouldn't date yeah the
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circumstance yeah so yeah whatever they start dating you know maybe they also thought each other was cute and like
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they enjoyed their time with each other because the thing is like I said they'd always hung out while they were growing
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up but it was usually with groups of people and then as they got older it was a little more one-on-one and it got more
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romantic as the relationship developed but while Kelly was at Purdue she studied psychology sociology and
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forensics interestingly enough yeah yeah so sorry that's like an interesting do those three go together oh totally
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yeah psychology sociology and forensics what sociology sociology I I mean don't quote me because like we both dropped
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out of college but sociology I think is like how the world works and like how people interact with one another okay
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like the study of being social okay I would no one could no one come after us because we don't know
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I don't know I'm not teaching her college class and posting a true crime podcast So eventually Jason decides to
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propose and he does so on Kelly's birthday which was June 5th um she's a Gemini that's all I'm gonna say about
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that all right yeah I know them well yeah sorry yeah whenever I hear that lizzo song that's like who would put up
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with your Gemini [ __ ] like I do I'm always like thanks true so uh they got married in the Methodist
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Church in 2002 and after college they opened up a business together uh right after they got married so right after
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college and right after they got married they would service people's swimming pools that was their business but pretty
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much right after they were married Kelly's parents kind of noticed a change in Jason they said that he wasn't as
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talkative as he used to be he and Kelly were arguing more and more than they had
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in the past they said they didn't see anything physical ever go down between them while they were living at the house
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but they definitely were arguing a lot and things got so uncomfortable and especially the shift in Jason's
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personality kind of alarmed Kelly's father and he was like I don't think you guys should live here anymore like I
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think you guys should get your own place like huh you gotta get out of here yeah
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so they do and they go out on their own their company is doing pretty well but about 10 years into it Jason Jason's
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body gives out his back can't handle the stress anymore okay he's having really bad back pain he wasn't able to get work
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done like he had in the years previous obvious and then that started taking a toll on his mental health and then
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things got worse because his pain reached the point where let's just say he was no longer able to have a sexual
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relationship with Kelly or anybody for that matter okay because of the pain yeah so things have gotten pretty bad
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overall and they decided around 2013 that they needed a change and that's when they decided to move out to Iron
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River they later claimed that part of the reason they moved back was that pot had been legalized in Michigan and it
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was something that would help with Jason's back pain but what didn't help was Kelly having an affair
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so back to Terry like I said Terry had her suspicions when she was with Chris and that was part of the reason why that
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they had decided to call it quits but right around the time that he disappeared the two of them actually
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seemed to patch things up and Terry said to the police she had spoken with Chris
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recently and that they were even planning to spend Thanksgiving together but that all communication between them
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ceased out of nowhere on October 14th now ultimately detectives were able to search Chris's home and car and they did
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so without a warrant because of the community caretaker exception that's part of the Fourth Amendment basically
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if there's any evidence like an abandoned car that a person might be into cert in distress or in need of
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assistance then Lauren law enforcement can enter the vehicle or the home of the person without a warrant okay just like
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basically if they're worried that you're in like Dire Straits then yeah they can
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hop in and help you okay so when Chris's apartment was searched Terry was there and she was absolutely shocked at the
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state this apartment was in I said earlier Chris was known as a very organized person and people would say
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that all his teas were crossed all his eyes were dotted but the apartment was like the end antithesis of who Chris was
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said to be his laptop was left on his desk completely open and there were notes that he was taking right next to
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it just like right on the top of the counter he would have never left those out there were cabinets that were just
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left open dirty dishes all over the place that were from like takeout yeah and there were things just lying about
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on the floor and look again we know he's moving so of course his apartment isn't
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going to be in the state that like it normally would be in but this was so drastic and Terry said she had been with
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him when as he was packing up his apartment and she was like no no he had a streamlined process he had like lists
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for everything he was doing each room like one one at a time yeah it wouldn't have looked like this he would never
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leave the apartment in such disarray and there were other troubling things too his medicine was left at home and this
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was medication that he would need to take daily and he wouldn't have left home permanently without his Mazda
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pickup truck was still parked out front with his kayak top tied on top of it so he um he also had plans to sell that
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truck before moving so she was kind of surprised that it was still there yeah and then there was a folder on the floor
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with a letter inside from his doctor now the letter was for him to bring when he
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had gone to that drug test for his new job yeah it stated that he was taking Percocet for a recent knee surgery and
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it was prescribed that way it wouldn't raise any alarms if it came up on his chest okay but by the time Chris's
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apartment was searched he should have already gone to North Carolina to take that drug test so why would this be with
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him like why would this be left yeah exactly and then the investigators were actually able to get in touch with that
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company that he was going to be working for and that company let them know that not only had he not shown up for his
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drug test but he actually hadn't answered any follow-up calls and the supervisor there kind of assumed that
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Chris had found another job and that he was kind of screening his calls because he wasn't going to end up working for
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the place that he'd been hired at yeah and before this call the investigators thought you know maybe Chris just
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decided to start move moving a bit early but then the state of his apartment the
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call with the new employer and what they would find soon in his car would tell them otherwise okay so they searched his
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apartment like I just said things aren't right so then they're like we gotta get
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to his car we got to see what's going on in there yeah so they go to the park and
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ride where Chris's car was left and again they're able to gain entry like I said and there were a couple things left
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behind that just made it more and more likely that he hadn't just gotten up and walked away from his life his knee brace
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was sitting in the front seat and Terry reminded the investigators that this knee surgery that he had was very recent
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and he was supposed to be wearing that brace at all times yeah so the fact that it wasn't there was weird he'd also left
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his water bottle behind which was like super unlike him okay um and on top of that there was a weird
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Post-it that was found in the car so all these other weird things are lying around and then they find a Post-It and
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it seemed to be directions to somewhere it read 424 feet stop sign left through fourways
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stop left on side street to yield sign left over Creek root and Alley Brown House
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the directions led the investigators to somebody's whose name had come up a couple times already in this
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investigation could you guess who um is her name Kim Kelly Kelly is her name Kim no it's Kelly so it led them to
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Kelly Cochran's house yeah and it was also determined that Chris's phone was last used on October 14th and that it
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was also the last day he had had any baking activity like they realized that so they were like and then the last
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place he goes is to Kelly cochrane's house and they're having an affair why don't we head on over there to see if
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she knows anything yeah so the police got to Kelly and Jason's home remember she's still married to Jason and Jason
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is the one who answers the door now officer Cindy Barrette asks if Kelly's home and Jason says that she's not right
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now he didn't know exactly where she was but he said she'd be home in about an hour if they want to come back
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but there was just like something off about the whole situation and officer Barrett sensed it so she was like I'm
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gonna stick around a little bit longer and ask you a couple questions so she was like okay
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is there anybody else in the house and Jason was like no and just as he's answering a woman walks
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down the stairs and like comes up from behind him so they're like why did you just lie to us there is somebody in the
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house yeah and that somebody is Kelly Cochran oh my God and she's like hey like what do you what's going on that's
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the most sus way of wow right that's crazy is anybody else in the house no suddenly a human appears yeah like what
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are you doing dude so Kelly is like oh what's going on and the officers explain that they're looking into The
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Disappearance of one of her co-workers Chris Regan but before they got too much closer or too much further excuse me
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they were like hey um why did your husband just lie to our faces and Kelly told them that Jason probably just
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thought she was in some kind of trouble and he was just covering for her but they were like that's not good it's not
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a good way to like get out of it no like your husband shouldn't be lying to the cops man so they were like yeah
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um okay but then the whole time they're talking to Kelly Jason and Kelly seems totally chill but Jason is kind of
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standing like something's bothering him and like he's trying not to show it like
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he looks very tense in this moment yeah but Kelly I think they literally said she was as cool as a cucumber so they
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were like what the [ __ ] is going on here like you guys want to come down to the
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station and chat with us like we're asking nicely but I don't really think you have a lot of choice so they were
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like yeah yeah we'll come down to the station and when they got there two very different interviews were conducted so
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Kelly goes first and she explains to the investigators that she and Chris were involved in an affair and that her
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husband Jason not only knew about it but he was cool with it interesting yeah she said I mean I'm not
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I'm not judging but like that is like weird well because it doesn't seem like he's cool with it when he's like
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standing there super tense yeah yeah and you're on and people I feel like people
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who are cool with like like open relationships they don't call it an affair exactly you would say that you
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have an open relationship yeah I mean that's not how she was describing it she said that she was allowed to sleep with
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other people oh yeah that's that's weird yeah I'm not sure so she was like not only does he
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know about it he's fine with it and she explains how he's injured and unable to quote unquote perform so they decided to
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separate and then and that's the thing she said they separated but then they had an understanding that she would
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sleep with other people but they'd stay together so I'm like so you're not separated really yeah and then she
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explained that while she was involved with Chris she was also seeing another man at work named Eric oh and that her
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husband Jason knew about both of them she then recalled the last time that she and Chris had seen each other and she
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said it was right around the time that she went missing but she couldn't be she couldn't lock in a day she was like I
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think it was like this day or this day and she said that she went over to his apartment for dinner she said she'd done
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this many times before and she knew he was moving so and not only did she know he was moving she claimed that Chris
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asked her to go to Asheville North Carolina with him and she said I just didn't want to leave Iron River because
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it's my home now and it's quote unquote the most peaceful place I've ever been yeah I'm sure yeah so as a little
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goodbye get together she cooked and made lasagna for the two of them they slept together and then she headed back home
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to Jason and that was that she hadn't heard from him since so they were like oh okay
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um have you ever been to the Bates park and ride where Chris and obviously like that's where Chris's car is abandoned
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but they don't say that yet to her yeah and she's like not only have I never been there I've actually I've never
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heard of that like what's that and they're like oh that's where Chris's car was abandoned now Kelly seemed confident
00:26:58
in what she was saying she definitely like seemed to be like calm and shooting the [ __ ] with them at this point but
00:27:05
they're trained investigators and they're there's something off about her and they just can't put their finger on
00:27:09
it but what didn't help was that like I said they had just been to Chris Regan's
00:27:15
apartment and there was no sign of leftover lasagna anywhere and remember she said she made him a lasagna yeah and
00:27:21
the dirty dishes Left Behind like I said were from takeout yeah not lasagna but you can't arrest somebody for lying
00:27:28
about lasagna as far as I know so as a mental note they were like you know what let's just keep tabs on Kelly and they
00:27:34
said oh they also said would you be willing to take a lie detector test before they wrapped up the interview
00:27:39
yeah she declined oh of course she said no thanks of course which you know we say all the time that is your right you
00:27:46
can decline a lie detector test but it makes you look so suspicious it makes you look sus but then at the same time
00:27:52
you can understand why somebody would because there's like false positives all the time yeah exactly I've personally
00:27:58
never done a lie detector test good to know I am terrified of them because like if someone asked me a serious question
00:28:05
Under Pressure like I'm like I could like I don't know I'm like I don't know how it works because I think
00:28:12
what it I don't know like exactly how it works so don't quote me but it like senses different stuff in your body that
00:28:17
like your flight or flight and if you're nervous of course it's gonna like skew it so sometimes people will say no to it
00:28:23
but then you're right at the same time you look suspicious so it's such a catch time I do love those YouTube videos of
00:28:28
the celebrities taking the lie detector tests oh I didn't even know they have one with the Muppets and I definitely
00:28:34
suggest you um watch again because it's wicked funny anyways all right I think it's big bird I think
00:28:43
it was Big Bird it takes a lot yeah yes that's hilarious does he pass spoiler alert I think so I don't know I'm gonna
00:28:49
watch it later all right cool all right well so we wrap up Kelly's interview they're like hey you want to
00:28:54
take a lie detector test she's like nah I know my rights and they go in to interview Jason now like I said these
00:29:00
are two very different interviews and Jason's interview goes completely differently than Kelly's did like I said
00:29:06
Kelly she was cool as a cucumber Jason walks in and is crying almost immediately oh my God red flag red flag
00:29:13
red flag yeah and he explains to the investigators through his shaky voice that he was seeing a therapist for
00:29:18
anxiety and that he was also taking something for anxiety and he mentioned that he had spent about five days in a
00:29:25
mental facility because he was suicidal now that was something the investigators
00:29:30
actually heard when they were asking about Chris Regan at he and Kelly's work and some of Kelly and Chris's co-workers
00:29:36
after telling the investigators about their Affair also mentioned that Kelly had been out of work recently and it was
00:29:43
because she was going through some marital issues at home and the investigators later learned from
00:29:48
the company's management that the marital issues were a lot more serious than just like a little spat that she
00:29:53
and Jason had been into Kelly had actually told her boss that she could not come in one day because not only was
00:29:59
her husband suicidal but he was planning to kill her before he killed himself oh
00:30:05
yeah so when Jason was asked about this he said that he never had any thoughts about killing Kelly but yes he had been
00:30:13
suicidal which was sad and the rest of his interview consisted of the investigators asking him about Kelly's
00:30:18
extramarital Affairs okay now Kelly made it seem like he was totally fine with the situation but his body language and
00:30:25
his attitude seemed to say something different yeah and they asked him they say have you ever met Chris and he says
00:30:30
no I haven't but I did walk past his apartment one day when Kelly was there and they were like well why did you walk
00:30:36
past his apartment yeah and there and he was like I don't know like I just did and they were like it's like you can't
00:30:42
just you can't just say that and then and not have a reason uh yeah so he was like I don't know I just walked by like
00:30:50
I knew that she was there and they were like oh well like were you angry and he was like No And they were like okay like
00:30:56
so yeah sounds good and then they were like would you want to take a lie detector test and he also declined
00:31:03
but the weirdness of the entire situation had police chief Laura frizzo pretty convinced that these two at least
00:31:08
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morbid that is better h-e-l-p.com morbid [Music] so the next person that Chief Rizzo
00:32:44
wanted in for an interview was the man that Kelly had mentioned in her interview uh the person from work that
00:32:49
she had been sleeping with that was not Chris Regan but was Eric okay this was Eric Erickson
00:32:55
now Eric yes great name Eric agreed to come to the station and he was actually super Cooperative with investigators
00:33:02
okay he agreed to take a lie detector test which he passed and he told them something interesting about his
00:33:08
relationship with Kelly that literally proved she was lying about at least one thing
00:33:14
she did know where the park and ride was because Eric told the investigators that
00:33:19
she would come along with him and they would go down to this little Lake Area across from the park and ride because it
00:33:25
was like a scenic view and they would hook up there wow why would she lie about the park and ride if she had
00:33:31
nothing to hide that's such an innocuous thing to lie about yeah unless you have
00:33:34
a [ __ ] reason exactly so after Eric's interview Kelly and Jason were brought in for another round of questioning and
00:33:41
Kelly would not budge when it was revealed that investigators had spoken with Eric and knew that the two of them
00:33:46
drove right past the park and ride every time they'd go hook up on the Serene waterscape but Jason again he too stuck
00:33:54
with his same story but at the same time it was becoming clearer and clearer how
00:33:58
nervous he was getting and chief Rizzo felt like getting a search warrant for Kelly and Jason's home would be the move
00:34:03
if she wanted to get any further in this investigation so that's what just what she did okay and this is where Drew [ __ ]
00:34:10
gets so real God I'm so nervous you're gonna want to quit but you can't oh man so the search warrant was served on
00:34:18
March 15 2015 about five months after Chris had gone missing the officer is conducting the search made sure to ask
00:34:25
about any weapons on the home before they had Kelly and Jason leave and Kelly told them that there was a loaded 22 she
00:34:32
kept under their TV console and neglected to mention any other mention of any other weapon that was the only
00:34:38
one she said they had oh okay so I'm assuming there's gonna be more I don't know so she and Jason obviously like I
00:34:46
was just saying they could not be present for the search so they went across the street to stay with their
00:34:50
neighbors this search lasted about 12 hours and Kelly and Jason's neighbor said that Jason specifically while he
00:34:57
was waiting over across the street with them he became more and more nervous as time went on one neighbor who was
00:35:02
interviewed for that documentary I mentioned at the top dead North said of Jason quilt he's not the same person
00:35:08
that I knew from that point on he was dead silent and beat red scared you could tell that he was scared wow and
00:35:15
for the first time even Kelly seemed a little bit nervous but at the same time she was still pretty chatty but she she
00:35:22
kept kind of like saying things to Jason that the other people like couldn't really hear and they were like some
00:35:27
things weird here it's like that case that you did um it was very publicized um the mom with the kids that went
00:35:36
missing this was like last year oh Lori valo yeah her husband house he would look like super suspicious like in
00:35:43
interviews and court and stuff and she always seemed like pretty yeah that's like it reminds me of that yeah yeah I
00:35:50
could see that definitely um actually yeah that's kind of they have there there are some similarities
00:35:56
between the two of them I would say yeah but so again Kelly had only told the officers about one gun in the house when
00:36:03
she was asked about weapons um what she didn't tell them was that there was literally knives all over the place oh
00:36:08
my God and swords swords swords wow Jason was apparently really into collecting those and they were scattered
00:36:16
all across this home there was also another gun that was discovered in one of the upstairs rooms I believe this was
00:36:22
a shotgun there was a hammer that was just like laying around yeah in a baseball bat all right all weapons yeah
00:36:29
but the biggest discovery of all was when luminol testing was done you know what luminal testing is
00:36:37
um is that the blood the blood testing yeah so they are like I don't they like put luminal on it and then they use the
00:36:42
black light yeah yeah yeah so they do luminal testing um and what seemed to be cast off was
00:36:49
discovered in the living room cast off so cast off I wish Elena was here to explain this better I'm gonna do my best
00:36:55
but cast off is basically if you like hit somebody and then you swing back the cast off is from your swing back motion
00:37:03
I believe and it's like what it's like a spider across the surface okay yeah so they found cast off on the living room
00:37:11
ceiling and not only did the ceiling light up like the biggest strip but so did some of the back panels on one of
00:37:17
the living room walls but the only problem was the area had been freshly painted over both areas where blood was
00:37:24
discovered of course so when the blood was tested at the forensics lab they weren't able to determine whose blood it
00:37:30
was or even if it was human blood because the paint had contaminated the samples so much but like
00:37:36
come on yeah I mean that should just be like it's solved right there when you see all that like you wish it could be
00:37:43
like this man goes missing his car is abandoned a lot you claim not to know about then it turns out you do know the
00:37:49
lot very well inside his abandoned car there is a Post-It note with directions to your home yeah you were having an
00:37:55
affair with said man and your husband doesn't seem please he checks himself into a mental facility days after the
00:38:01
man you're having an affair with goes missing and then blood is found on your ceiling I'm willing to bet that you did
00:38:06
something to that man yeah and just to add to the long list of things that seem to incriminate Kelly and Jason are you
00:38:13
ready no they left town in the morning after their home was searched of course the morning after their home
00:38:22
was searched are you like not supposed to leave when stuff like that's happening or if you're like yeah no I'm
00:38:29
not totally sure I mean it doesn't look good like I'm sure they would prefer if you didn't yeah but yeah they can find
00:38:35
you because luckily I'm not in this obviously isn't the case with every case but in this case they were worried about
00:38:42
them fleeing especially after they had found what they did yeah so they a couple of pis were actually also working
00:38:48
on this case along with the Iron River PD because the Iron River PD is super small so what's pi a private
00:38:55
investigator got it so two pis actually put a GPS tracker on the Kelly and Jason's truck during the search oh good
00:39:03
so when they realized that they had left the next morning they just looked at like the data and they could see exactly
00:39:08
where they were going they were going back to Indiana where they were from oh yeah now that was not ideal but the good
00:39:14
thing was that with Kelly and Jason out of the neighborhood the neighbor seemed more willing to come forward and talk
00:39:20
about some of the things that they had heard and smelled in the days following Chris's disappearance ew smelled yeah
00:39:27
this is the part where I told you it's gonna get a little rough okay and here we go one neighbor said that one night
00:39:33
around the time Chris disappeared she actually heard what sounded like a gunshot like in the middle of the night
00:39:38
and then she heard screaming and so she peeked out of her windows and she said it wasn't super clear because there were
00:39:44
some trees obstructing her view but she heard a car door slam and then saw a parked car sitting there like running
00:39:51
with its headlights on she then at this point heard a woman go no no and then heard a man yell let's
00:39:58
get out of here and at that point two cars pulled away from the direction of Kelly and Jason's home and left wow and
00:40:05
then in the nights following that strange event the woman and her grandchildren that who were adults
00:40:10
thankfully that lived across the street heard what sounded like power tools working all throughout the night
00:40:17
that's scary and what's scarier is that these power tools wouldn't start until about two or three in the morning and
00:40:25
then they would go until like all the way like the early hours of the morning like probably end at like five I would
00:40:30
say yeah and the grandson who lived across the street again an adult thankfully David he said that he heard
00:40:36
what it sounded like saws drills and Hammers and then that's crazy it really and when a neighborhood like and I've
00:40:43
noticed this like in our neighborhood when it's quiet and like it's like late at night and I'm sitting outside and
00:40:51
it's quiet I can hear stuff down the street it's like crazy so like to use power tools you're waking up the entire
00:40:57
neighborhood of course you are like try to be a little more discreet I'm glad you were and that's the thing like
00:41:02
obviously we're happy that she wasn't just great about this but it's like oh my God yeah
00:41:07
um and then another neighbor his name was Gary and you can see him if you watch the documentary he said that he
00:41:13
smelled a strange smell one day right around the same time again the time period that he realized Chris was
00:41:19
missing later on and he said that smell was definitely coming from Kelly and Jason's home so he walked over and he
00:41:25
was like what are you burning and why does it smell so bad yeah he said he had never smelled anything like it before
00:41:31
but that when he approached Kelly she did seem a bit nervous and said it doesn't smell that bad does it oh my God
00:41:38
and he's like that's such a weird response yeah like what oops I'm throwing my phone sorry like why
00:41:44
wouldn't you just be like I don't even know what you would say like why wouldn't maybe you just shouldn't be
00:41:48
burning something because you're acknowledging the fact that it smells so like what is it yeah exactly so Gary was
00:41:55
not interested in going back and forth with her he's like what the [ __ ] are you
00:41:58
doing and he's like gee Kelly I don't know like should we get the cops down here to smell it and decide for
00:42:02
themselves oh my God and at that point Kelly was like oh no no I'm just gonna I'll put it out right away I'm so sorry
00:42:07
about that but the smell was still lingering and Gary said it was throughout the entire neighborhood but
00:42:12
he was like he didn't want to start something you know so he's like it smells but like she's that's so so weird
00:42:19
like a smell that lingers through a neighborhood like yeah I mean we'll think about it like in our neighborhood
00:42:25
like you can smell if our neighbors are having like a fire or something yeah so I mean realistically what we're talking
00:42:32
about here is she's burning human remains yeah like that I think of like a smell like the smell of a fire you're
00:42:38
gonna smell but yeah human remains like yeah come on and that's horrific to do that number one and then to subject your
00:42:44
entire neighborhood to that yeah so and that was not the least of the or that was not the last excuse me of the
00:42:50
neighborhood complaints the family who let Kelly and Jason stay with them while their home was being searched the same
00:42:55
on the same family that heard the power tools going through the night yeah they were actually pretty friendly with Kelly
00:43:00
and Jason before all this started happening I mean obviously they were like yeah you can stay here while your
00:43:05
house is being searched yeah so they were told that the reason for all the power tool usage was because the
00:43:12
cochrons were just doing some remodeling um two to three a.m is a weird time for
00:43:17
2 A.M like what but they did know that Kelly worked long days at the factory so I think they were just like maybe that's
00:43:24
the only time she has to remodel weird I also think this is the kind of area I mean this is like way up there yeah I
00:43:31
think this is just one of those places where like you try to keep your nose out of other people's business you know yeah
00:43:36
so and like not that that's a good thing or a bad thing I think it's just the way
00:43:42
it is yeah and like I personally also like to keep my nose out of other people's business but I don't know
00:43:48
anyways it's not it's not about me so one day after all this weirdness with the loud noises and the power tools and
00:43:55
the leaving in the middle of the night Kelly and Jason invite their neighbors those neighbors across the street over
00:44:00
for a barbecue and the neighbors get there they said they had never been invited over for a barbecue yeah like
00:44:05
they're trying to prove something yeah I don't know they're they're like sorry for all the noise let's have a barbecue
00:44:11
wow and the neighbor said that there had to have been at least 150 to 200 worth of meat there when they arrived
00:44:21
what kind of meat exactly but 150 to 200 worth of meat just for them in the cochrons like there was like I don't
00:44:31
know maybe like two or three at most four of them plus Kelly and Jason's like what is that six seven people yeah you
00:44:37
don't need that much meat no that's a lot and it was like they were Burgers but they were like oh no so they said
00:44:45
these neighbors that these burgers were not like anything they had ever tasted before they said the meat was
00:44:50
transparent they would later compare it to Lobster meat which oh my God I'm like
00:44:55
oh I know and then they said it didn't taste like the ground beef that they were used to so they asked they were
00:45:01
like oh like is this just like burger meat like what is this yeah and Jason said oh I used to be a butcher back when
00:45:09
we lived in Indiana and one of my specialties is exotic meat of course it is exotic meat like yeah like please
00:45:16
explain exotic meat from there Indiana what are you talking about I mean I don't like meat from Indiana Caleb watch
00:45:23
out for real so if that was the case they thought then why was this the first time they were ever invited over for a
00:45:30
barbecue like you're you used to be a butcher and this is the first time you're inviting us over yeah it's like
00:45:35
convenient that you used to be a butcher sorry like what okay so when people started talking more and more about
00:45:42
Kelly and Jason and their connection to the missing man and then their sudden departure of town this guy David started
00:45:47
thinking more and more about this barbecue and he later said we were always wondering if they were the kind
00:45:53
of people that actually did Kill the guy and butcher him up and had us over for dinner I believe we ate him
00:46:00
they ate the meat they ate it yeah I mean like they tasted it like they were like oh I think this is this like lot
00:46:06
like this is like lobster meat what is this and the guy said it was exotic so they were like okay and this poor man in
00:46:12
the documentary he goes a little deeper into it and from the sounds of it like this might have happened if if I went to
00:46:19
someone's house and they served me what they said exotic meat I would be like bye like I would literally think you
00:46:26
would but yeah in the moment you might know you know yeah I can see how this happens I mean I've been at like friends
00:46:32
houses before and like I mean different cultures eat differently so I might be true like trying something that I've
00:46:37
never had before and they could say like oh it's this exotic meat and then I mean
00:46:41
I don't eat meat anymore thankfully so I'd be like Oh I'm good but yeah I don't know that's is there any way to find out
00:46:48
that you've eaten human uh not to my knowledge and that's the thing like you don't have any way of
00:46:59
really knowing whether or not you did but like you have that experience to look back on yeah and I was just saying
00:47:04
like that guy in the documentary again he goes a little further into it I believe his name was David and he was
00:47:10
saying like after he realized that this may have been what was done to him which
00:47:13
like that's a crime in and of itself I would think like doing that to somebody else it's like Catherine Knight doing it
00:47:19
but who's Catherine Knight um she's like Australian scary Nana listen to that episode Drew scary Nana
00:47:27
yeah she listened to the episode okay I will get all into it sorry I'm just kidding but she may have um she tried to
00:47:35
like serve her husband for dinner to his children which is so horrific like that
00:47:40
that should carry its own yeah charge well I don't know if it does or not what was the movie We just watched about the
00:47:45
cannibal oh God fresh yeah that was a really good movie but like that will change yeah just like yeah be prepared
00:47:53
for cannibalism yeah terrific but this guy again in the documentary David he David stop
00:48:02
he still changed him for a while like he literally he lost a ton of weight because he just couldn't eat without
00:48:07
thinking that he possibly yeah even a man yeah I mean that could do some things like yeah seriously so
00:48:16
back to the story while Kelly and Jason were running off to Indiana Again their house is still able to be searched and
00:48:22
the investigators were sifting through everything in the hopes they'd find something more incriminating that could
00:48:28
actually lead them to an arrest because yes there's blood spatter in the house but we don't know if it's human or
00:48:34
animal it's so contaminated yeah it can't we can't really just use that you know so they're looking around and one
00:48:41
day they're there and police chief Laura frizzo she's in the basement of the home
00:48:45
and she sees this notebook in the corner as she's going through stuff and this notebook belongs to Jason
00:48:50
he would write these stories like these really super creepy stories and one of them was entitled where monsters hide
00:48:57
which again is that book that I read for this not Jason's book a different book yeah and he would basically write these
00:49:04
short stories where he would make himself the Hunter and then he introduced a character that was like
00:49:09
very clearly supposed to be Chris Regan he talks about hunting this person and the quote-unquote tingle feeling that a
00:49:17
hunter gets as he's stalking his prey and getting ready to kill and then in the last chapter he talks
00:49:23
about an unwanting get excuse me an unwanted guest showing up and how the wife Saves the Day
00:49:29
and the notebook story even references a cookout after this unwanted guest is quote unquote gone
00:49:37
he literally wrote like the next day there's a cookout what so Laura's like what the [ __ ] and she's like you know
00:49:43
what we need to get the FBI involved in this because we're uncovering more and more within this home and it's clear
00:49:48
these people are responsible for Chris Regan's disappearance and yeah like most likely murder but they're like we need
00:49:55
to get more hands on deck and make sure we have a slam dunk case when it comes time to arrest these people and bring
00:50:00
them to trial yeah so they searched a nearby body of water and they actually found a burn barrel that was weighed
00:50:06
down with a cement block and tied to it with a clothing line interestingly enough that clothing line
00:50:12
used to be hung up in the backyard of the Cochran's residence and neighbors confirmed it was taken down right around
00:50:18
the time that Chris went missing and that burn barrel which they didn't find anything in but it belonged to Chris or
00:50:26
excuse me I'm sorry it belonged to Kelly and Jason Cochran wow so the burn barrel and the clothes
00:50:34
the clothes thing around it yeah wow now again nothing in the burn barrel but there was another Discovery to be made
00:50:41
because the FBI was able to use GPS from Chris's car to show that he was actually
00:50:47
at Kelly and Jason's home the day he went missing on October 14th when all of his everything stopped the baking
00:50:55
activity the texting activity yeah and they were able to determine that was the last place his car went before it was
00:51:00
driven to the park and ride of course it was yeah which I'm like kind of shocking
00:51:04
that they weren't able to get anything from the car that said like Kelly or Jason drove it there which kind of leads
00:51:11
you to believe and there's other things in this case that we'll get into later that will lead you to believe these
00:51:17
people might have done something like this before really like how are you gonna drive a
00:51:22
car and abandon it and leave nothing behind yeah that's like wild like it's clear
00:51:28
that they were the ones that drove it there if the last place um Chris went was their house right
00:51:34
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[Music] so with that Discovery Laura frizzo decided she needed to get some warrants
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for some DNA so she phoned the police over in Indiana to let them know that Kelly and Jason were both like lead
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suspects in a misin person missing person's investigation and luckily we don't see this all the time as you
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listeners snail as the weirdos know but the police over there they agreed to help in any way that they possibly could
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which is shocking like obviously you listen to most morbid episodes but I feel like have a lot of the times the
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police departments are not working are not willing to work together yeah no but I think this is such a different case
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too where it's like clear that these two people were involved in it so they were
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willing to help and once Laura got her DNA warrant she actually headed on over to Indiana herself to swab some cheeks
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so the police in Indiana had picked Kelly and Jason up explaining about the warrant for DNA but what they didn't do
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was tell them that Laura frizzo somebody they knew and pretty much [ __ ] loathed at this point she was here to
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chat so they're all set up in the interview room and they're just expecting probably like an officer to
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come in and swab their cheeks yeah and Laura walks in amazing and they're separated again so like yeah it's Jason
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first and then it's Kelly yeah so she walks into the interview room like Madison Montgomery from aha's coven
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going surprise [ __ ] I thought you'd Seen the Last of Me I bet you thought you'd Seen the Last of Me So she does
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this first in the interview with Jason who looked pissed yeah and after answering just a couple of questions he
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said I know my rights I'm not answering anything else I want a lawyer all right so yeah like again one of those things
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where like yes that is your right to a lawyer but like in this case you're looking Shady yeah yeah and then Kelly
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then was Madison Montgomery by Laura Frizzell and Laura told her she's like listen I've caught you in a ton of Lies
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up to this point like do you want me to just lay them out on the table I know what happened yeah and she suggested you
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know maybe Jason was the one to kill Chris in a jealous rage and you're covering for him like I can help you but
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this is the last chance you have like if you don't come clean to me right now I'm
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not interested in helping you any further Laura frizzo is a bad [ __ ] watching her
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in this documentary I was like yeah girl is Kelly gonna blame it on Jason I don't
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know so Laura tells her again this is your chance to come clean we're gonna figure this out you Kelly's like no and
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she asks for a lawyer if she's going to be held any further okay and unfortunately she couldn't be held any
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further that night they just really didn't have a lot like they could have arrested her at that point for murder
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but they really don't have enough it's they have a good amount of circumstantial evidence but like they
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want to make sure that this is they need like a case yeah so they need like a Smoking Gun essentially yeah so again
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Laura just has a gut feeling and she and this time she says I feel like something's gonna happen between Kelly
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and Jason in in Indiana like something's gonna go down and it's not going to be good oh man and her gutless correct
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because just about a year after they fled to Indiana the Indiana police got a 9-1-1 call from one Kelly Cochran she
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sounded super stressed out but still under control and she explains that she needs an ambulance to her house right
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away because her husband is not breathing Jason okay so the EMTs and the other First Responders they make it to
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the scene but it's almost like Kelly's trying to hold them back from getting to her husband she's like getting in the
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way of anybody who's approaching approaching Jason she's asking them questions she's trying to explain stuff
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but she's literally like using her body to get forcefully in the way of them oh so and obviously all they're concerned
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with at this point is treating Jason so Kelly actually had to be removed from the room yeah and put to stay in another
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room which was put down in the report they were like she was being weird as [ __ ] yeah and they got to Jason they
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realize that there's some drug paraphernalia in the room with him uh it was heroin paraphernalia wow and it was
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when he when Jason's body was later autopsied it was clear that he died from a heroin overdose like he had a massive
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amount of heroin in his system but upon closer look that was not the only factor
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in in his death and they like the investigators working this case told the medical examiner sure I'm like there's
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definitely like heroin in his system but please look out for things that say homicide because we're not so sure here
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yeah so he did a super thorough search of this man and he finds petechial hemorrhaging in Jason's eyes like around
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Jason's eyes in a particular hemorrhaging happens when you are choked or strangled oh and they also realize
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that Jason's sinus cavities so like right here yeah is completely collapsed meaning that there was evidence of
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strangulation here in addition to the overdose but there's like no sign like on his neck or anything no sign on his
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neck but you'll see what happens so the death was determined to homicide due to heroin
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overdose and asphyxiation and clearly Kelly was the one responsible but the police needed to work carefully if they
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were going to prove that she did while also proving that she was involved with Chris Regan's death I'm actually not
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sure if I say it later so I'll just say it now they think that she used like a pillow to smother him but she put so
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much pressure on the pillow that that's how his sinus cavities um okay like smashed him that's he
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couldn't breathe so his eyes the particular hemorrhages that's what happened got it so they're like
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obviously she did this but we need again we need more to prove it yeah so around
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the same time sorry go ahead I don't understand like like what more do they need
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they need like again they could go to trial but this with all the circumstantial evidence but it's really
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kind of like um I'm trying to think of like the right adjective it's it's a toss-up going to
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trial with purely circumstantial evidence because I think maybe they could have gotten a jury with this like
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with all the circumstantial evidence they did have but there's still that question of is there a reasonable doubt
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like could somebody else have done this so they want something straight up okay straight up true so around the same time
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a new officer was actually brought on the case and this is Officer Jeremy Ogden I believe is how you say his last
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name he's freaking adorable and there's a little romance later but let's get to the let's save it for the end so Jeremy
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kind of fills the role of good cop because at this point Kelly's done with officer Laura frizzo and chief frizzo
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knew that she wasn't going to get anywhere interviewing Kelly herself at this point especially because she's like
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I should like her previous interview she's like I laid it all on the table that I'd caught her in all these lies
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yeah she's gonna know that I'm looking to catch her in more lies so I need a good cop on my side
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so now Ogden can focus on that and she could keep searching the Cochran's resonance for more now eventually the
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FBI did uncover more evidence within that home okay part of a man's pair of jeans were found like the metal bits
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including the zipper as well as the blade of a reciprocating saw was found in a burn pit Outback
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so they find like metal bits of a man's jeans and the blade of a reciprocating saw in a burn pit outside of Kelly and
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Jason's house and the reason they couldn't see this was before was because again we're in like the Upper Peninsula
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it was snowy as [ __ ] yeah so all the snow melted and then they find this okay so the genes unfortunately couldn't be
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linked directly to Chris Regan and the blade was so burnt that there was no possibility they were going to get any
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kind of DNA from it oh man a damning find but a frustrating one at the same time yeah and then also they found a
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blue rabbit's foot under the front porch so somebody had like literally gone under the front porch and like shoved
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this underneath there and Terry said that that blue rabbit's foot belonged to Chris she said that he did
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like he probably wouldn't have wanted people to know it but he was a very superstitious man and he would carry it
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with him for luck okay which is like obviously that's his yeah and that's so sad so again the police want something
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more solid and luckily they got just that when a friend of Jason's came forward and said he wanted to help in
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this investigation so he had heard about everything that was going on and he kind of got to the
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point too where he wondered not only had his friend been involved in Chris Regan's death but was Kelly the one
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responsible for killing his friend yeah so he phones up the police and he says I'm willing to help and Jeremy Ogden
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comes up with a master plan this friend Walt was to call Kelly and tell her that
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before Jason died he had given Walt this envelope and told him that there was a letter and a note inside explaining
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everything and that if anything bad were to happen to him Jason that Walt should
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open the envelope so this was all fake this had never happened this was Jeremy Ogden's plan to try to
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get Kelly okay so he has Walt call Kelly and basically like explain like I got this note from Jason and he said I
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should open it if anything happened to him to get like to get her freaked out the fake note from Jason quote unquote
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again not really from him explained that he and Kelly were involved in Chris Regan's disappearance and that Walt
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needed to send this letter to the Iron River Police Department so Walt calls Kelly while so sorry Walt
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explains this whole thing to Kelly unbeknownst to her he is sitting in a cop car on a recorded line literally
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right next to officer Jeremy Ogden well and Kelly's answer is damning when Walt said you know I really just want to let
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you know before I go ahead and send this out Kelly responds please don't please don't send that letter because
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she knows yeah that this letter this fake letter like she doesn't know it's fake but she knows that it's explained
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everything or she thinks it explains everything that's what they did so they got her so they got her she starts
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absolutely cracking at this point she's calling and texting Jeremy Ogden incessantly telling him about this
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letter obviously he knows full well about this letter because he [ __ ] made it up in the first place but Kelly
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she thinks it's real and she's like [ __ ] like my days as a free woman are gonna
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come to an end once that letter ends up in the hands of the Iron River PD yeah it was then that she came down to the
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station and after a little more good cop I understand act from Jeremy Ogden she confesses and she says Jason shot Chris
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in the head on October 14th after I lured him over with the promise of a hookup so it was planned yeah it was all
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planned wow she explains in further detail that she was actually supposed to be the one to kill Chris but she
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couldn't do it because she really did have feelings for him you see she and Jason she said had made this
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pact on their wedding night that if on their wedding night that if one of them was to ever have an affair the person
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who was cheating on the other person that person who was having the affair would have to kill the person that they
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were cheating with if the other person found out about the infidelity what kind of packed is that and to go through with
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it like not only like what kind of exactly exactly what kind of pact is that and like why would you go through
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this seriously and also why is that the conversation you're having on your wedding night
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on our wedding night I don't want to come up with a package no I don't want to make a packed period
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that's some like messed up like to go through with that yeah it's like to be to make The Pact and then years later
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still hold it as seriously like yeah crazy this was in 2002 that they allegedly made this pack because again
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you know Jason's not here to say whether he did this or not but maybe they did but 2002 and then you kill the man and I
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believe it was 2014. like yeah what wow and she said she was like I didn't take it seriously but like Jason did but it's
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like obviously you took it seriously it's the reason you killed it or you either killed or were involved in this
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man yeah so does she confess what happened to Jason we'll get there okay I'm sorry I'm just kidding but I'm glad
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we've agreed that we're not gonna make anything yeah that's not happening so the other thing
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is like you just vow like not to cheat on each other exactly like we don't have to get any further
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into it than that like I vow that you're mine for yeah awesome super stoked about
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that let's just like eat some cake and dance and then I don't know yeah like why I don't even get it I don't even
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know yeah so she later said she had no idea that Jason was home when she brought Chris over so they're like so
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wait you were supposed to have this whole plan where like you're gonna lure him over for with the promise of sex and
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your husband's gonna shoot him but then you say you bring this man to your house
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he's like allegedly had never been there before and you didn't know Jason was Hall which
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is it Kelly yeah she starts telling these like stories that just completely differentiate from one another okay so
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yeah she says I had no idea that Jason was even home when I brought Chris over and she said they were fooling around in
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the front entryway of her home it's a little hard to describe this part but again if you watch that documentary she
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actually recreates this it's very harrowing so she says they're fooling around in the front entry room she said
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like they couldn't even make it to where they were headed and that as they're about to walk up there's some steps that
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lead into the kitchen they're about to walk up those steps to make their way into a more private setting at that
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point Jason appeared from them and behind the front entryway so if you walk pretend like you're walking into the
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house and on one side there's stairs that lead to a basement let's just say to your left for shits and giggles on
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the left there's stairs that lead to the basement and on the right there's a couple steps that lead into the kitchen
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so they're fooling around in the entryway little quote unquote little does she know it but Jason is hiding in
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the basement area and as they turn to walk up into the kitchen Jason is behind them at this point and shoots Chris
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according to Kelly okay she says then after Chris was shot that he stumbles backwards which I don't know about that
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but from the force of the shot and he falls downstairs into the basement and then at this point Jason demands that
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Kelly help him cover everything up and that after he was done dismembering the body she was to clean the basement the
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entire basement with a toothbrush wow yeah but there were problems with her story
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if they had this packed then why would Kelly have even brought Chris to her home and less to follow through with it
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like he had never been there before they always went to Chris's house yeah and I
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was gonna say like if you had this packed why do it in your house exactly other than if if you have this packed
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and you're bringing him to your house you know what's gonna happen yeah yeah exactly and then the other thing that
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doesn't really make any sense at all is that there was no blood found in the basement remember all of that cast off
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was found in the living room so the and it just doesn't make any sense at all investigators believed that Jason did
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shoot Chris but believed that Kelly knew that this was the plan all along and her
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role in it was to keep Chris distracted which is what I believe okay now personally I don't believe that all of
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this happened in the front entryway I think that they got further into the house and then Chris or excuse me and
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then Jason came up from behind when they were in like an entirely different room
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and maybe even an entirely different situation but nonetheless they wanted her to lead
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them to the body the investigators which she said and this is horrible I'm I hate
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that this happened to this poor man she said that his body was separated into large black trash bags and brought to a
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wooded area where the bags were scattered and she was the one that brought the body to this area
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now the night that she confessed she went back to Michigan with Jeremy Ogden to recreate their murder scene like I
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was just saying at her house yeah and to also show him the area where they found
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the body um it was too late to go into the woods and start looking for the body like they
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wanted to go back in daylight yeah and Kelly was supposed to meet up with the detectives again the next day so that
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they could go over more of her story but just like she had with Jason a year previous Kelly skipped town yep of
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course she did I'm like she's already done it once of course she's going to just the fact that she was out like free
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and she had confessed that she knew like what happened I don't get that I think they were just trying to play nice with
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her and I'm sure they were also trying their best to keep tabs on her but like as we know sometimes these people get
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away yeah I think they were what they were trying to do was play nice with her and you know so that they could get more
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out of her because I think they knew the second that they arrested her that was it yeah because they still had to figure
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out what happened to Jason exactly yeah and that and that's my assumption I'm not sure if that's exactly why but based
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on what I read and watched I think that had a lot to do with it yeah but thankfully she was dumb about it and she
01:10:44
got cocky which we know is always the downfall of these freaking people murderers they think that they're
01:10:49
smarter than the detectives working the case and that they have the upper hand but then they go and do something silly
01:10:54
because they have this like false sense of confidence going which is exactly what happened in Kelly's case she
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started texting detective Ogden taunting him about how she knew she was getting away and she sends him a photo and says
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the West Coast looks good this time of day since this man a [ __ ] selfie like he wants to see you and she made it seem
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like she was off somewhere in California um little did this [ __ ] no text messages can be traced obviously like we
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triangulate the [ __ ] all the time yeah and hers was traced to a little area in
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Kentucky where she was promptly arrested and brought back to Michigan finally she's arrested good so she does end up
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leading them to the area where she uh where she said Chris's body was disposed of and they were able to find a skull
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and obviously it was determined to be Chris Regan's skull now she also took them back to her home and they she
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showed them a pair of forceps that was just like lying by the kitchen uh sink for some reason like I don't think
01:11:51
anybody really thought much of these before yeah and she was the one to point them out and she said Jason had forced
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her to use those forceps to try to remove the bullet from Chris's skull because had they left the bullet behind
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like it would be easier yeah if he was found to know what gun had killed him so that's why they wanted to do that yeah
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it was unsuccessful but Kelly said there might be some kind of DNA on them because she had attempted to do this
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by now she knew she was caught and she started fully leaning into the evil part of her that she'd been able to hide away
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throughout this entire case she would switch back and forth though she'd say Jason was the one behind the entire plan
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and that that's how this all happened and then she would say it was always her and that she'd always been like this
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like she couldn't feel things yeah she said she couldn't feel things like other people did she even wanted to say this
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was like the weirdest part she said she got a thrill from blood but she did want
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to specify that she quote unquote wasn't a vampire or some weird [ __ ] like that
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ma'am you're a whole ass murderer yeah that is um and like on some weird [ __ ] yeah like you're not a vampire but you
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sure as hell are a cannibal well yeah like what or like you get some thrill out of watching other people yeah on the
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notes to memory like eating that meat that's such like an interesting like I'm not a vampire don't even think of that
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no it's not funny is not the right way it's so ironic I guess you would say like this happens all the time in these
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cases that we do where the people are like well I I did this but like I would never do that yeah people that like kill
01:13:25
children are like I would never you know eat them or like punch them yeah it's like oh that makes it better right like
01:13:32
no no not at all like it's I'm glad you didn't suck anyone's blood but um you took someone's life so yeah same deal
01:13:39
brother wow now sure enough and thankfully because at this point I mean now we've got the skull and like so like
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she's she's going away but then even more on top of that Chris's blood was found those forceps so Kelly was facing
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not only one murder charge for the death of her husband at this point because they know that she's done this she's the
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only one in the home yeah and now she's facing a second murder charge for Chris Regan and again also her husband Jason
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Cochran so while she's incarcerated she tells the cops that she and Jason had killed before and that she had quote
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unquote friends that were buried all across the world we have Indiana Michigan Minnesota and Tennessee and she
01:14:19
all over the world yeah all over the world I'm like that's actually is that just like the four states in the midwest
01:14:25
yeah it's just the Midwest bro she refused to give any names or locations of these bodies at first but she later
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wrote a list with 21 names of the people that she said that she and Jason had killed and then in a shocking Revelation
01:14:39
her brother went to the police and told them that he had been suspicious over the years of Kelly and Jason and he
01:14:46
believed that he had that the two of them had killed at least nine people across the states that Kelly had
01:14:51
mentioned so there is a possibility that that could be the truth yeah but unfortunately even if it is the truth
01:14:58
Kelly will not be prosecuted for any more murders in Indiana she took a plea deal during Jason's
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murder trial that basically says if she gives the police information on the whereabouts of any more victims she
01:15:11
cannot face any more charges in Indiana so like she can face charges like in the
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other states yes she can between the two murders Kelly was found guilty on multiple counts including murder home
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invasion because they believe that she actually may have gone to Chris's home and like got some [ __ ] out of the house
01:15:29
and like [ __ ] with it because his Percocets were missing uh all of his medication was accounted for except for
01:15:35
percocets wow um she was also charged with conspiracy to commit bodies disinterm excuse me to
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commit bodies disintermined and mutilation uh concealing the death of an individual lying to a police officer an
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accessory to murder after the fact she didn't oh sorry did you have a question no I was just gonna say yep
01:15:56
that sounds about right you're gonna say yeah that's that's all of those uh she didn't have to go on trial for Jason's
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murder and instead they just tacked on 65 years for his murder onto her life sentence that she received for Chris's
01:16:09
murder okay so she got life plus 65. so they didn't even have to like they're like we know you did that yeah exactly
01:16:16
um and she like confesses at one point she said she did it because he took the only thing that she ever loved away from
01:16:22
her which was Chris but she exactly go ahead but she planned that she played well she there's a pact
01:16:30
there's a pack she said that she planned it but she also says that she can't feel
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so like if you can't feel then you weren't in love yeah exactly it doesn't make any sense she's just wild now
01:16:42
so Terry remember Terry O'Donnell from the beginning Chris's ex-girlfriend who like they it seemed like they were gonna
01:16:48
start their relationship again like it seemed like they were working on it because remember she was gonna spend
01:16:52
Thanksgiving with him before he moved when he moved excuse me but and they were long time friends anyway and she
01:16:58
said of Kelly during the trial the first time I saw her was excuse me the first time I saw her was in the courthouse I
01:17:05
just remember her staring at me and grinning like she had the audacity to grin at this what the hell Terry said I
01:17:11
took a deep breath and thought she was the scariest person I had ever seen I was afraid I couldn't look at her for
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the rest of the time I was there testifying it was like she was laughing and saying look what I did you can't
01:17:22
stop me she just sat there and grinned it was like the devil looking at you and after I testified I lost it I totally
01:17:29
lost it I just remember driving speeding not knowing if I had crossed the border
01:17:34
I didn't know if I was in Wisconsin or Michigan I didn't know what to do I just wanted to run as far away from Kelly as
01:17:40
possible yeah I would too yeah I don't blame her at all so Kelly is currently being held
01:17:47
at the woman's Huron Valley Correctional Facility it's in Pittsfield Charter Township Michigan she apparently spends
01:17:54
her time turning her glasses into Shanks and threatening to kill anybody who comes near her all right yeah I was like
01:17:59
maybe we should like take her glasses away but I think she has the right to those unfortunately Laura frizzo
01:18:04
believes just like I do 100 that Kelly has killed before and she actually has a theory because Kelly has 14 butterfly
01:18:13
tattoos that are representative she said of people that she's lost in her life but Laura frizzo has a theory that these
01:18:21
14 butterflies are actually representative for people that she's killed yay Laura was absolutely haunted while
01:18:29
going through the Cochran's home when she made this realization because it was like a glass shatter moment the entire
01:18:35
home inside and out is decorated with butterflies oh my God and this is nuts this is crazy are you ready no so Laura
01:18:45
was recreating the scene for that documentary dead North yeah and she is out in the area where they had
01:18:50
originally found Chris's skull and as they're out there kind of recreating this moment yeah the crew actually finds
01:18:57
another piece of human remains was later tested and confirmed to be Chris Regan's
01:19:02
lower jaw so they found more of him while they were out there wow now this was one of
01:19:09
the biggest investigations and the most one of the most successful in Laura's career yeah but for some reason after
01:19:14
Kelly's conviction the city manager dismissed Laura from her duties she was fired as police chief
01:19:21
oh this guy had a long history when it came to being gross in the workplace especially with women and Laura felt as
01:19:28
though he was threatened by the fact that she was a woman who was good at her job so he just got rid of her oh because
01:19:33
she just solved a huge case she just solved a huge case she was also the first female police officer to be hired
01:19:38
within that division yeah like of course I think let her go like yeah when she actually did something amazing for the
01:19:45
community exactly because he didn't want her because she technically was not a homicide detective and he didn't want
01:19:50
her spending as much time as she did on the Chris Regan investigation but it's like she brought the man home and put
01:19:57
the killer Behind Bars Aaron brockoviched it she did like well you have to be mad about yeah
01:20:03
um and that's the thing the entire Iron River Community was behind her and they were so impressed with the investigation
01:20:09
that she was able to carry out like they were they were literally making posters
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like let Chief uh frizzo like do her job leave her alone yeah but the def the decision was the city manager David
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thares to make and it was Final wow so after all her hard work in this investigation she got fired
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um but she and Jeremy Ogden ended up together they met through the investigation and she felt like it was
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like kind of the universe bringing them together yeah that's cute that was like happy
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um that's like the only happy thing within this um Kelly has not faced any more charges we have not found out if
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she has murdered more people we haven't found any more bodies and there doesn't seem to be an update on anything related
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to her when it comes to this but she has maintained that she has killed more people yeah and like I said she said the
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reason she finally turned on Jason was because she really did love Chris Regan and even though again she's incapable of
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feeling she says she went on to say he took the only good thing and I had in my life I still hate him and yes it was
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Revenge I evened the score what that's like and like I mean I guess I even to the Scorpions
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like he killed her man that she loves so she killed him but to me I'm like the score you made The Pact you made The
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Pact you knew that if you had an affair he was going to kill the person right or
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your [ __ ] no she knew that if she had an affair and he found out she was supposed
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to come oh yeah like but either way you knew the person was gonna die like the whole point of that pact so you don't
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have a [ __ ] Affair exactly I mean that's like a weird pack don't do that but but for me even the score I'm like
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were you keeping tallies like if you believe that other people have been killed like did he ever have an affair
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and you killed the person yeah I don't know man because I feel like that's some sick thing where they're just gonna have
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affairs and just because they clearly are murderers so they're just gonna keep having an Affairs and killing the people
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like I feel like and like even when they moved to Iron River it seemed like super sudden like
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Laura frizza was like were they running from something like how did you killed somebody back in Indiana and we're
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trying to get away yeah because they would like Bop around all those States so it's like suspicious it's super
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suspicious but that is Kelly Cochran the Devil Woman of Michigan and potentially
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of many other states in the midwest but like Drew said not the whole world yeah I just um looked up a picture of her and
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it makes sense yeah you you feel Terry's uh Terry's Vibe of wanting to run away from here yeah the thing for me that I
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mean this whole entire case like rocked my [ __ ] but the butterfly tattoos yeah
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that's freaky because it she gives an interview from prison where she says that they're representative of people
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that she's lost and you're like but you have so many like and then it's like lost like did
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Jason kill those people like like you were having affairs with those people and because of the pact he killed them
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or you had to yeah like and then and you're saying that's a lot and like are they gonna try and figure out the people
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other people that killed or did she just confess to all of them I mean she confessed to like 21 so I'm sure she's
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doing the thing where she thinks it's impressive to have killed more people so I think she's definitely heightening
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that number but I would definitely argue that she's probably I think she's killed
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more people I don't I don't think she's killed 21 people but yeah and then her brother felt like it was nine people so
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there's definitely something within that so yeah no one knows for sure yeah it's
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definitely weird but I definitely urge you to go watch that documentary I definitely urge you to go buy that book
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where the monsters hide it's it got like it's packed with details so yeah if I missed anything you can uh check it out
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in there and yeah I definitely urge you to go watch uh Big Bird's lie detector test on YouTube oh yes I can't forget
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that that can be your uh wow you're just delivering palette cleansers now like two people's doors they're like here I'm
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gonna tell you what to do for your pellets after this episode if you need to pick me up go watch that there you go
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there's back with the cleansers uh and guys we hope that you keep listening and we hope you keep it
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weird oh my God I'm so glad that I didn't have to do that alone but not so weird that you um chop somebody up and
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you serve them at a barbecue and you run Acro I don't even know just don't do that because it's just too much for my
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