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hey weirdos I'm Elena and I'm Ash and this is morbid [Music] whoa hey new hello what's up girly pop
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hello we saw some of you last week in New York City in the Big Apple baby and you guys were delightful and awesome it
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was so fun to talk about the book with you guys and I got to have Ash there because she's my you know emotional
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support Ash yeah I take her everywhere no matter what a teacher everywhere no matter what but it was really cool to
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see you guys and you were awesome and you were such a fun audience and it was cool to be on stage again yeah it was so
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good to see you guys yeah and thank you for all the people that gave us gifts oh
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my God that was so nice people gave us sunflowers we got crystals the kindest we got a bunch of Taylor Swift bracelets
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some cool notes that were just really kind of Nice Notes yeah um cool cards I was just really thrown back by all the
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people that gave us their Taylor Swift bracelets because I think those things are like [ __ ] important yeah I had no
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idea so I'm it's like a love language between swifties as far as I'm told so I'm feeling the love and I hope you guys
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are dug the uh the sneak peek yeah book two in your paperbacks it's cool that you get to read it now
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you're all part of the club now yeah with Ash I feel weird I feel like I feel like my club was taken from me in an
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instant no now it's just a warm fuzzy Club of people no I'm kidding I'm I'm like pretty stoked that you guys got to
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read that because that's a bomb ass chapter and fun fact I've read uh a whole bunch of the second yeah that you
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have it's [ __ ] terrifying yippee what did I say we should put on the front of it as a quote from me not actually that
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you sometimes you're terrified to be in my Orbit yes I said I'm very terrified to be in Elena's inner orbit and she's
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my sister um I like that I'm also gonna start carrying a note around in my pocket and
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I told John that he should probably do the same okay I like that I love that effect I have on you guys you're welcome
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but thank you I don't know you're welcome today I have a very very very tragic case
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um this is the case of Sophie Lancaster if you've never heard this one it's like
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I said very tragic and if you had then you know a very sad tale I know the background of this one and it is a
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horrifying story it's gut-wrenching yeah I think it's honestly like a really important story to tell as are all of
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the stories that we tell and I think we should just dive into it yeah so Sophie Lancaster was born November 26 1986 to
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John and Sylvia Lancaster in the Rosendale borough of Lancashire England and I looked up how to say that good job
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thank you at the time it was not necessarily the best place to live in the world uh Rosendale was being hit
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hard by a dwindling economy the area was falling into a bit of disrepair just like not the best Vibes but Sophie's
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family which was made up of her her parents and her older brother Adam they had a really happy life together like a
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core 4 home unit kind of thing oh Sylvia Sophie's mother said that Sophie was so
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intelligent and sensitive and she told reporters how much Sophie loved to read how she was interested in social justice
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issues and she just really wanted to be involved in making the world a better place for everybody in it which is so
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much more tragic truly uh Sylvia Sophie's mom she worked with kids so she was pretty familiar
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with all the different kind of phases that kids go through while they're growing up so it really didn't come as
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any surprise to her when Sophie started you know dressing differently than other
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kids at her school and started getting more into heavy metal and kind of hard rock music good for her yeah she was
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just like it's par for the course and Sylvia said as Sophie entered high school and kind of entered this
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quote-unquote phase which really wasn't a face that she quote knew it was her way of marking herself out as an
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individual what a cool mom yeah what a cool mom what a cool kid yeah you know that's really cool it is and obviously
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she felt very very supported to be able to like confidently go forth like that it definitely seems like it and luckily
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eventually Sophie did meet other kids who shared her same interests and her taste in music and that was when she
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really leaned more into what you I guess you would call The Goth aesthetic she loved to wear a quote a long black
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leather coat and Lace gloves and tops oh hell yeah and I love that like she made
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it her own what a cool chick yeah like with the lace gloves yeah nice little touch and then from there her style
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choices evolved and eventually she would you know dye her hair all different kinds of colors she would add like
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facial piercings that were cool she I saw a picture she was so cool she's a cool [ __ ] chick so some parents might
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have worried about you know the dark clothing the heavy makeup I remember when I started wearing eyeliner in my in
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black nail polish my dad was actually very concerned which is really funny to think about now hi Dad yeah um and you
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know parents might like fight against that kind of thing yeah but Sophie's parents Sylvia and John they really
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didn't think much of it because they're cool cool parents she's just expressing herself and we're happy that she feels
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comfortable doing that she's not hurting anyone she's not hurting herself yeah and actually they gave her credit they
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were proud of her for being so comfortable asserting her individuality especially at such a time in her life
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where she was probably going to be judged for doing it you know Sylvia and John yeah forever but still according to
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Sylvia Sophie was a quote unquote typical rebellious teen and of course they would find themselves in arguments
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just like any other mother or teenage daughter teenage son or whatever have you they would fight over small
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infractions like sneaking out to concerts and that kind of thing yeah the huge so Sophie eventually met a guy
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named Robert Maltby through her friend group and that was when she was in her junior year of high school and they just
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hit it off almost instantly by all accounts they shared the same taste in music they shared fashion choices
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together and they both had really thoughtful sensitive personalities oh and it seems like Rob was pretty
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welcomed by Sophie's family not just her friends her family as well Sylvia said they were such a sweet couple and they
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were totally devoted to one another oh my God that is like like this was a young beautiful love oh it hurts so Rob
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and Sophie quickly became Inseparable and Sophie actually kind of became Rob's artistic Muse I'm loving this it's it's
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beautiful he would paint one portrait after another of Sophie that Sylvia actually displayed in her in her home
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until she passed away oh my in 2022. that is heart-wrenching and if you look them up he's an incredibly talented
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artist these are like beautiful paintings Rob told the guardian in 2017 we'd see friends at weekends but day to
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day it was just the two of us it was always just Rob and Sophie oh I love love so much I love that now Sophie and
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Rob had found some Solace and support in each other because you know they could bounce ideas off of each other they had
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these similar tastes they had a deep connection and love for each other but that didn't mean that they didn't still
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deal with a ton of discrimination and abuse because of their interests and their appearances
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and particularly in the relatively working-class suburbs of Rosendale they were different and people didn't like
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that that's ridiculous it's basically just that they didn't go along with the with the grain so Sylvia remembered that
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Sophie had a lot of problems at school when it came to fitting in the other kids girls especially and we all know
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how girls are in high school yeah it can be tough it can be very tough and these
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were the kind that weren't into like the goth thing that Sophie was into they treated her just like she was [ __ ] they
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treated her like a weirdo because it's threatening to see somebody so confidently being themselves it is
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because you cannot people like that don't know who they are yet nope at all nope and so Sophie did have feelings of
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isolation but at the same time she did know who she was and like I said was confident in that yeah she wasn't like
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those other kids and she really didn't want to be yeah she was somebody who actually became vegan when she was six
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years old she started getting into the goth and metal scene when she was 11 and she was really open when it came to
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talking about what she found interesting hell yeah because sometimes like kids at
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that age they can squash you from expressing any kind of passionate like for something because you feel like
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they're like oh you're such a nerd you're such a geek you're into that so much like so you're just like squash all
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that it's cool that she was just like no yeah let her personality and everything
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about her just shine through but unfortunately her confidence in herself did not save her or Rob from
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some pretty shitty and horrible situations they both had been subject to verbal abuse people yelling rude
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comments at them and sometimes it would actually escalate into minor physical violence imagine giving a [ __ ] that hard
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no about what somebody else is doing that affects you in no way no whatsoever couldn't be me honey like what what a
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weird creature these people are like it's so weird no it really is but luckily they both fell back on their
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confidence and I would say probably their love for one another like they had each other and it wasn't like a
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relationship where it's like it's us against the world it was just this beautiful they support each other and
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they supported each other exactly and so they just kept on expressing themselves
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freely now in 2007 Sophie and Rob actually moved in together into a small apartment
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in Bay cup a small town in Rosendale Rob had just started her excuse me his first
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year at Manchester School of Art and he was working towards a degree in illustration oh cool [ __ ] cool and
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Sophie she had decided to take a gap year but she was looking forward to starting work on an English degree the
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next year so they had plans just artistes artists and they had plans they had a really promising future ahead of
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that they were actually even starting to talk about getting married like just planning their life together and it
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seems like they really were bent for each other yeah absolutely but all their plans for their future Came Crashing
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Down in the early morning hours of August 11 2007 because of some of the world's most disgusting monsters awesome
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so on Friday August 10 2007 Sophie and Rob actually went to just go hang out with a friend they went to visit their
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friend Jonathan in Britannia the three made plans for a nine o'clock or four nine o'clock and spent about two and a
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half hours at Jonathan's apartment just having a drink Watson watching some TV just hanging out with friends and then
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after that Sophie and Rob headed home a little after 11 30 pm and at about midnight they stopped into
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an all-night service station because Rob wanted to buy some cigarettes and then on the way out or while they were there
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actually they ran into some kids that they knew chatted for a bit and then walked as a group to a nearby section of
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bay cup known as the Fudge Factory okay which is actually a reference to an old candy company that had once occupied the
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law oh that's cool it made me think of Willy Wonka the Chocolate Factory but after spending about 20 or so minutes
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just chatting with their friends there Sophie and Rob said their goodbyes and they continued on their way home and
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they were going to walk through stubby Lee Park okay at about 1 10 a.m Sophie and Rob came up Upon A group of
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teenagers including 15 year old Brendan Harris 16 year old Ryan Herbert brothers
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Joseph and Danny Holm I think it's how you say it they were 16 and 15 respectively and 17 year old Daniel
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Mallett remember those ages these are all young kids children not even one of them is 18.
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now these five boys referred to themselves as the bay cup terror group wow super scary and they had previously
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been at a local cafe and arcade known as the cage where they each had around four
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pints of lager and did shots of peach schnapps okay so they were loaded no just before Robin uh Sophie had entered
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stubby Lee Park this group of teens had made their way down to the skate park with a bunch of other people and that
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skate park was near the center of the park and that is exactly where they were all hanging out when Rob and Sophie
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walked by just minding their own [ __ ] business walking home walking home so Rob felt a little bit nervous because
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one of the boys approached him and asked for a cigarette and it just something about it I think his flight or flight or
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fight senses just kicked in yeah like couldn't explain it but just like it's got a Vibe got a Vibe exactly he had a
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feeling that they should just keep going but being a nice guy he stopped and as he reached for his pack this 14 year old
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girl who was with a group overheard one of the boys say shall we batter him what the [ __ ] just giving someone a
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cigarette just stops like like super fast and then out of nowhere shall we batter him I don't like nothing better
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to do species the human species truly gets worse and worse every day aliens take me away truly then not actually
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though then without any warning or any kind of provoking Brendan Harris stepped forward and just slapped Rob across the
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face what a tough guy you just slapped him yeah so it caught Rob off guard and honestly probably out of just sheer
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confusion he laughed of course she was you're just like what the [ __ ] is your pathetic you piece of [ __ ] like you
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literally just stepped forward and slapped me in the face and he was probably just like with no warning like
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you idiot yeah like taken off guard and just like what the [ __ ] are you doing so as soon as he laughed the other four
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boys in the terror gang lost it oh no they can't handle someone laughing at them no no even more pathetic truly and
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um I just want to say this is when it gets particularly graphic so if this is something you want to skip by I totally
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understand it's really violent so somebody jumped down from one of the skate ramps and kicked Rob in the head
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knocking him to the ground what the [ __ ] and this is just out of nowhere they just walked through they just walked
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through and stopped to give someone a cigarette to do something for someone like
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so scary it's so scary so he fell to the ground and once he was on the ground they all of them just started beating
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him relentlessly they were laughing they were taunting Sophie and Rob as they just kicked and punched him punched him
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over and over and over again and he's laying on the ground trying to protect himself
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so Sophie obviously runs over to Rob's side and yells at this group to just leave them alone she's like stop
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but that only further encouraged these sick [ __ ] and they turned on Sophie a woman
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who [ __ ] raised these animals um probably not great parents and I feel confident saying not because we'll get
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to it later yeah those are [ __ ] animals animals and and the other thing is it's like where are your parents
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you're 15 16 17 years old in the middle of the night just at a skate park like we're violently beating people like as
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they pass through like what the hell is wrong if you want to be at a skate park skating in the middle of the night sure
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that's your prerogative leave everybody alone exactly mind your [ __ ] business so one witness a 15 year old boy who was
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there and tried to get them to stop because it's the it's this group of teenagers but then it's like just some
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other teenagers at the state park and watching this like oh my god what the [ __ ] is thank goodness somebody tried to
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get them to stop like that was pretty brave of that other like 15 year old multiple people did actually and this
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one like I said 15 year old boy he just yelled at uh he tried he yelled at them trying to get them to stop and he later
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said they were running over and just kicking her in the head and jumping up and down on her head what the [ __ ] out
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of nowhere they did this to this couple oh my God another girl among the group later told detectives I started crying
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because I'd never seen anything like that they were all just booting them they were making loads of noises
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screaming noises they were booting them in the head swinging the leg back properly booting them like jumping on
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them like animals honestly not even I was just gonna say not even animals will do
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this not even animals exactly holy [ __ ] the attack on Sophie and Rob lasted a few minutes but it must have felt like
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hours for them because I I I've never heard of anything like this I can't believe this like this is just so oh
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it's it's sickening it's like it truly is truly so once they decided that they were done the boys just casually walked
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out of the park and left Rob and Sophie laying completely brutalized unconscious
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on the ground what months later a witness would describe them to the jury the the teenagers as
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quote behaving in a giddy way hyperactive and bouncing around doing silly things as they left
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I I have no words it's not even Humane it's not even animalistic I don't even know how to describe it I don't and as
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they left the park one of the attackers stopped a boy going in and told him they
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had just beaten up two people in the park and then another in the group chimed in you want to see them they're a
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right mess like ah and then they gave the boy Rob's phone which they had stolen from his
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unconscious body and then just left the park altogether just went about their night after
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leaving two people they didn't even know if they were dead or alive these kids need to be caged up and like throw away
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that key throw it like that is some unhinged Beyond if you're capable this is one of
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those things where obvious obviously this is not in the U.S but and while I was doing this I was thinking like oh my
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God what if they get out because of that whole Constitution thing and then I was
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like oh wait it's not in the U.S even here I'm like if you can do this at any age this is like a young level of
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violence and a level of like there was no provocation here none whatsoever that wouldn't even be okay with provocation
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no but the fact that these kids are just walking through the park and this happens right like that's something you
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can't like you can't take that out of someone like that's that's scary that's that's inside you and that is deep
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rooted and I know how do you work through that no you don't I don't think that is that's beyond now even though
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the boys who had attacked Sophie and Rob had left the park there were several teenagers still remaining at the scene
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just in absolute shock multiple of of those people called it for an ambulance the first call was placed at 1 17 am and
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the second 1 19 a.m and the calls for an ambulance triggered an alert to the local police with a message assault in a
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park in in a park Park Road sorry possibly near a skate park so they didn't have a legit location while
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police and ambulance services tried to locate the scene of the attack more calls were placed to Emergency Services
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because they were like where are you like you have to get here another one at 1 23 a.m and then finally another one at
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1 29 a.m thank goodness these kids are calling yeah seriously you know like thank goodness they stepped up and like
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did because I mean there's adults that won't intervene even enough to call an ambulance you know what I mean so I'm
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glad that they all came together and we're like we got to get somebody here for sure so Jonathan the friend that
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Sophie and Rob had spent the night with hanging out that very night he was woken
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up by his phone ringing at about 1 30 a.m and he saw that the call was coming from Rob's cell phone so he answered
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right away of course but heard nothing on the other end and he just hung up after a minute or two probably assumed
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that it was like a butt dial yeah but he after he hung up texted Rob's phone to be like hey like you good man but he
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didn't get any kind of response the phone ringing again about a half hour later and this time when Jonathan
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answered the call The Voice on the other end was not Rob's it was a teenage boy who said have you got two friends down
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in baycup park and the caller told Jonathan there's two moshers here and they look like they're
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dead holy [ __ ] before just hanging up the phone oh man that just gave me chills so
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Jonathan rushed down to the nearby park and he obviously found it was filled with police and emergency service
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workers but no one would tell him anything because they just couldn't in that moment but he's looking on hearing
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like that his friends were just attacked and look like they're dead and he can't
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have any way of finding out what happens so paramedics did arrive at stubby Lee Park at 1 20 in the morning and they
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were absolutely shocked to find Rob and Sophie in the state that they were in they both suffered obviously severe
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injuries to their heads and faces and quote were so badly beaten police had difficulty establishing their sex oh God
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so they were rushed to uh I believe it's roachdale infirmary where they both received emergency care and were
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stabilized luckily before being transferred to larger hospitals for inpatient care Rob got transferred to
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North Manchester General Hospital and Sophie to Fairfield Hospital they both had serious trauma they were
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unrecognizable to their families I can't even imagine this but at the same time their injuries were not considered to be
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life-threatening at that point so while they both arrived at the Rochdale or Rochelle infirmary in an unconscious
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State they actually were both expected to recover oh God so the extent to their injuries was just
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like unimaginable you can't even begin to Fathom the state that they were in like I said they had both been beaten
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severely about their face and head so there was really really intense very serious swelling which would have been
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horrifying for anybody knowing them like their family members to see I can't and
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their parents can you imagine seeing your baby like that I can't I can't either and they were also they had been
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bleeding from their ears and noses that's how bad it was Rob suffered internal bleeding and bleeding on the
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brain and Sophie this is horrific had deep boot Impressions on her face and this is very graphic had quote a piece
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of Flesh missing from her head where her attackers were are believed to have yanked her hair out
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animals not only the scariest monsters like I can't even this is outrageous you would this is one
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of those things where you say you'd see it in a movie yeah now for families too like I just like
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truly have to see your loved one like that this is beyond your worst nightmare your brain I don't even think could come
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up with this on its own I hope now once the pair had been stabilized Jonathan the friend was brought to the roachdale
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infirmary and he was actually asked to identify Rob oh my God but he was not allowed to see Sophie at that current
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time you need to know exactly so because the dispatcher hadn't been able to provide a
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precise location the police actually initially went to a different location they went to Park Road and Edge Edge
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side and then they were redirected to stubby Lee Park where they arrived at 1 45 a.m that's tough that's really tough
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that's a big span of time it is now initially the remaining teenagers at the scene were being sketchy and they didn't
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want to talk to investigators so the motive for the brutal attack wasn't obvious because there is no more
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there isn't one but because some personal belongings were missing specifically Rob's cell phone detectives
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considered that actually a robbery might have been what prompted this assault because of course the police are looking
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at this and they're like something had to have started this like how does this just happen out of nowhere
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but after interviewing several witnesses They concluded quote the two people who
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were attacked followed the gothic Trend and potentially this could have been a motive
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that's not a motive that's not enough you're a piece of [ __ ] Gothic yeah now luckily even though some of the
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witnesses at the scene weren't comfortable disclosing any information a few were willing to tell the detectives
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what happened and they actually identified three of the five boys responsible for the interview
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so by late morning police had begun rounding up those that they believed to be responsible for the attack on Rob and
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Sophie starting with Ryan Ryan Herbert the arrest of Herbert was followed a couple hours later by the arrests of
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Brendan Harris and Daniel Mallet and then detectives would arrest Danny Holm at his parents house the following day
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and his brother Joseph would later turn himself into police a few hours later yeah I bet you did yes scared little boy
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now the following day Monday August 13th all five were brought before Burnley magistrates Court where they were each
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charged with two counts of Grievous bodily harm with intent no on Wednesday August 22nd Rob maltby's
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condition had actually improved to the point where he woke from his clothes wow because he was in a coma but now he was
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stable enough to visit Sophie in her hospital so he was able to visit her and then he was transferred to a hospital
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closer to his parents house so that they could you know take care of him I can't
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imagine having to see somebody you've been having to see her no that poor oh I'm sure he probably wanted
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to but you almost wish that he didn't have to see her like that you know like oh but then at the same time what your
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brain could come up with I guess could I just feel for him on every level you can
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feel for him you you do you really do so detectives they were really hopeful actually that now that Rob was awake and
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no longer in a coma but he would be able to fill in some of the blanks in any kind of missing information about the
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night that they were attacked but again he just woke up from a coma after considerable brain trauma so he was
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quote disoriented and confused and he actually didn't really remember much from the attack which
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I'm grateful that he doesn't have to remember that like I feel like I remember that the fact that they caused
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that much brain trauma that is that's that's so significant like it is hard to cause that much trauma oh yeah
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his life has changed forever in so many different ways because of these five [ __ ] pricks you can't even like no
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nothing you call them is satisfying exactly because they're they're not evil they're beyond truly but unfortunately
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his memory seemed actually to be even worse once he was taking off taking off the sedatives that he'd been given early
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on according to one of the nurses tending to him Rob was very restless difficult to speak to very repetitive
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and disoriented oh his brain had just gone through so much so so much like incomprehensible so the police continued
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to work in the background and they were particularly interested in why Rob and Sophie actually went through stubby Lee
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Park to get home because they only lived a little over a mile from their friend and they could have taken a more direct
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route back to their apartment but according to their friend Jonathan it really wasn't that unusual for Sophie
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and Rob to take a long way home late at night because Rob and Sophie enjoyed that time of day of course and they just
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like spending time with each other like a nice nighttime walk and they should be
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able to place where you can go on a nice night time through a park through a park
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yeah exactly like a an area there's other people bopping about they should have been safe
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but other than that nobody came up with an alternative explanation because that's good enough that's the thing
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people take Scenic Roots all the time just to spend more time together especially as a couple who clearly
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enjoyed their time together all the time like they like the nighttime they're night owls they wanted to just walk
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through the park together like and they should have been able to do that tells me so the case ended up being assigned
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to detect detective inspector Dean Holden and he immediately recognized several of these names of the boys
00:28:08
who've been implicated because they're little pieces of [ __ ] anyway they are pieces of [ __ ] yeah according to
00:28:14
inspector Holden Ryan Herbert was a local Menace local prick Ryan Herbert yeah known for years as a bully at
00:28:21
school and a bully in the neighborhood where he lives that's that kid he came from a large family and several members
00:28:26
of said family were also well known to the police and police knew that he would act out aggressively or inappropriately
00:28:33
to get attention wow now like Ryan Herbert Brendan Harris was also a local troublemaker and very well known
00:28:40
actually weeks before this attack 15 year old please remember the ages here 15 year old Harris had transferred
00:28:49
schools due to his behavior and he was often barred from clubs and establishments for aggressive or
00:28:55
inappropriate behavior then let's not uh figure this out before they hurt someone
00:28:59
no never yeah at school and inside his Social Circle he was known as a bully Who quote would pick on others he
00:29:05
labeled as Geeks oh [ __ ] these two you're a [ __ ] dick if anybody's a geek how pathetic how pathetic truly
00:29:11
brothers Joseph and Danny Holm lived at a traveler site in Bay cup where they shared a trailer next to their parents
00:29:18
so they lived on their own with one another just right next to their parents people were not shocked to hear that
00:29:24
Joseph was involved in the attacks on Sophie and Rob he had quite a reputation for himself he was actually the leader
00:29:30
of the bay cup terror group self-proclaimed I'm sure but people knew he was a very scary kid but they were
00:29:37
actually very surprised that his younger brother Danny had also been involved involved in the attack sounds like Danny
00:29:42
was just taking all along yeah and that's not the kind of thing you want to follow nope like what the [ __ ] did you
00:29:49
get yourself into here this was your time to actually do something I was just gonna say this would have been your time
00:29:54
to like stand up on your own exactly but he didn't nope uh so he wasn't the only
00:29:59
one who surprised the Danny there wasn't the only one who surprised the public by
00:30:02
being involved according to Catherine Smith who was the editor of the Rosendale Free Press at the time Daniel
00:30:09
Mallett was quote the pr in that this is a different Daniel he was the LA the person least expected to be involved in
00:30:16
a crime of this Nature by most accounts Daniel was a fairly good student actually his parents had divorced a few
00:30:23
years earlier but they maintained a good relationship and they were a pretty stable family unit that's scary that's
00:30:29
so scary but there were a pretty good number of Daniel's classmates that had noticed some recent changes in his
00:30:35
personality starting about a year or two earlier they said that he started to show quote unquote Tendencies that's
00:30:42
really scary out of nowhere now with the public starting to learn more about the case back at the hospital
00:30:48
after nearly two weeks in a coma with no signs of Life at this point my God Sophie Lancaster had to be taken off
00:30:55
life support on Friday August 24th 2007. that's horrific so because she is murdered she'd been killed her death
00:31:03
escalated the assault now to a case of murder and the Lancashire police made a statement saying the charges will be
00:31:10
reviewed with the crown prosecution service a murder charge is an option for all five of the youths yeah charge them
00:31:16
all charge them so two weeks later all five were again brought before Burnley magistrates court and they were charged
00:31:22
with the murder of Sophie Lancaster rightfully so glad so I'm so happy that there wasn't anything to like [ __ ] [ __ ]
00:31:30
with that yeah so to quite literally um nobody's surprise throughout their interviews with the police all five of
00:31:37
the boys either claimed that they didn't participate in the assault or they just
00:31:40
pulled the pointed fingers at the others for the bulk of the response Oh no you're not guys anymore huh no not so
00:31:46
big now they're little boys yeah the first two times that Joseph whom who again was said to be the leader of the
00:31:51
game was interviewed he blamed everybody else for the attack that's what a good leader does yeah just turn on your
00:31:57
friends yep not so big and tough now no but the police wanted to know if he wasn't involved then why were his
00:32:03
fingerprints frowned on Rob's cell phone pretty weird yeah now at his third interview he gave the officers a
00:32:09
prepared statement claiming his fingerprints were found on the phone because another teenager had handed it
00:32:15
to him as they entered the park and asked him if he wanted it and he looked it over but declined yeah I just turned
00:32:22
it over in my hand and then I gave it back you're a [ __ ] idiot like an idioter or just um tell the [ __ ]
00:32:28
truth how about that now when Joseph Joseph's brother Danny was interviewed he also denied any
00:32:34
involvement and he blamed the entire assault on Ryan Herbert in fact in Danny's version of events he
00:32:41
claimed that he quote tried to save Sophie by pulling Ryan Herbert off of her you know what it would have been
00:32:47
like the sickest way to save someone calling the police in an ambulance immediately upon the start of this if
00:32:53
you were trying to stop it immediately yeah yeah because you uh didn't try that job dude good try Danny I like the Holm
00:33:00
Brothers Daniel Mallett faced multiple interviews in a short amount of time and in each interview he admitted to only
00:33:07
punching Rob one time that's so weird I don't know how any of the others it's almost like even that is [ __ ] yeah
00:33:13
somebody randomly for no [ __ ] reason for walking through a park you're still a piece of [ __ ] I just only punched him
00:33:21
once yeah I just punched him just for walking yeah and then you watched and con and joined in as you murdered his
00:33:27
girlfriends and your friends did ridiculous so he denied any involvement in laying a finger on Sophie he said he
00:33:33
had nothing to do with that he also blamed Brendan Harris and Ryan Herbert for the entire assault on Sophie now
00:33:41
meanwhile in his interviews Brendan Harris he repeated a prepared statement which essentially pinned the entire
00:33:48
killing on Ryan Herbert who was refusing to answer any questions from investigators I think Ryan sounds like
00:33:55
he played the biggest part and Ryan certainly sounds like uh the issue here but everybody was involved absolutely to
00:34:01
be clear now even before any of the details about the attack on Rob and Sophie were made
00:34:06
public the assault prompted a ton of different shocked and outraged responses from the media and just anybody who was
00:34:14
hearing about this some people directed their frustrations toward the bay cuptown government they were complaining
00:34:20
that stubby Lee Park had become quote drunk violent yobs and a yob is a rude noisy and aggressive young person okay
00:34:27
so they were like basically the park is full of little [ __ ] to make everybody's lives miserable and they
00:34:33
made comments like quote if we had a park range if we had Park Rangers then maybe this tragedy might not have
00:34:38
happened yeah solid point I do need something there yeah especially if the park is going to
00:34:44
be open that late yeah and there's nobody there monitoring it yeah there's several layers here yeah exactly now
00:34:50
others directed their criticisms just more broadly at society as a whole one resident told reporters I think the real
00:34:56
issue is why these teenagers were allowed to be out in the early hours of the morning unsupervised and drinking
00:35:02
alcohol true yep but regardless of where people place to the blame they all agreed that the attack in the park was
00:35:08
just further evidence of a national problem of increased violence from what they were calling disgruntled young
00:35:14
people that's the thing it is it and especially during that time that's scary it is scary because they were like what
00:35:21
the [ __ ] is going on here like we need to get some programs instilled in this city we need to get some Park Rangers
00:35:28
put at the park yeah clearly an overhaul needs to be happening here on every level precisely all the way down to home
00:35:35
and all the way down yes exactly even at home yeah so the attack on Rob and Sophie happened at a moment in UK
00:35:42
politics actually where people were getting more and more concerned with what then Prime Minister David Cameron
00:35:47
referred to as quote unquote are broken Society now prime minister Cameron's point about the broken Society was
00:35:54
mostly actually focused on a series of unconnected crimes that were happening throughout the UK where children had
00:36:01
committed shocking acts of violence just like the one talking about so scary against other children and even against
00:36:07
adults and he he was correct there definitely was an issue regarding violence especially when you hear that
00:36:14
on the night that Rob was attacked and Sophie was murdered three teenagers in Cheshire kicked this man named Gary new
00:36:22
love to death in front of his family after a night of binge dreaming what the [ __ ] the same night a man was kicked to
00:36:30
death in front of his family and then just a few weeks later a teenager in Liverpool was shot and killed by an 11
00:36:38
year old named Rhys Jones after mistaking him for a rival gang member what 11 11 years old I actually I'm like
00:36:47
covered in Showbox and then several months after everything we've already talked about at this point three
00:36:55
teenagers stabbed another boy to death in London after a minor argument between their friends oh my God so everybody was
00:37:02
getting really really nervous about what the [ __ ] was going on here seriously so
00:37:07
prime minister Cameron's comments about a broken Britain they became an important Talking part excuse me talking
00:37:13
point and a push for increased law enforcement and social restrictions yeah but even outside of the political
00:37:19
Spotlight the attack the attack and murder of Sophie and attack on Rob was triggering new discussions about the
00:37:27
effects of intolerance on all communities in UK and everything all throughout the world yeah when details
00:37:33
of the attacker's whole anti-goth motive began kind of circulating amongst the press That's when Sophie's death took on
00:37:39
a greater significance especially for activists that were promoting tolerance yeah so there was a lot of different
00:37:46
social issues connected to this at this point for sure now by the end of 2007 Sylvia Sophie's mom had actually
00:37:53
established Stamp Out Prejudice hatred and intolerance everywhere which the acronym for that if you didn't notice is
00:38:00
Sophie again Stamp Out Prejudice hatred and intolerance everywhere I love the Sophie it was a non-profit organization
00:38:09
dedicated to raising awareness of the effects of hate crimes and advocating for policy changes the fact that this
00:38:16
woman was able to do that by the end of the year that her she had lost her daughter her only daughter she is a
00:38:23
badass yeah so through social media lecture campaigns branded items like wristbands t-shirts Sophie still works
00:38:32
to promote quote a greater understanding and acceptance of all people oh and that
00:38:37
was that that was Sylvia's Mission but it also seems like that was Sophie's yeah that was like when she was here you
00:38:43
know within weeks of her death the social media Pages for the organization had attracted thousands of followers
00:38:50
everyone was offering condolences people were sharing stories of their own experiences with intolerance
00:38:57
and the organization and its message held special significance among the heavy metal in the goth music scenes in
00:39:03
particular because those people were constantly aware of the abuse and violence that had been directed at
00:39:10
Sophie and Rob because they've gone through it themselves that's awful and then it went National like or national
00:39:17
internationally it went International across the world it did across the world musicians artists fans everybody they
00:39:25
were writing songs they were creating memorials in places like Bay cup and uh Whitby where the annual goth weekend is
00:39:33
held loved that there were still all kinds of Memorial signs up for Sophie there were commemorative benches other
00:39:40
installations like this was nothing going away no so in the years since her death tributes
00:39:46
to Sophie and the commemoration of her her memory have only grown they grow and grow and grow every year now there's
00:39:52
actually high profile memorials at events like bloodstock open air which is an annual British heavy metal festival
00:39:58
that's amazing and thousands of people attend that Festival every year so it's so cool Sophie's Legacy lives on and you
00:40:07
know she loves that oh like that and she deserves she deserves that to be taken from this world at such a young age and
00:40:15
with her whole lifeless [ __ ] ever and her whole life and like plans ahead of her you know it's nice to see that she
00:40:22
can live on through in some way exactly now Sylvia her mom was determined that her daughter's death would not be
00:40:28
meaningless but at the same time she also didn't want Sophie to become a martyr so Sophie campaign manager Kate
00:40:35
Conboy Greenwood told reporters Martyrs choose what they do but Sophie had no choice in the horrible way she died
00:40:42
that's the thing she did not want to be here she did not want like like we just said like she would love to see all
00:40:49
those you know that's how she's being a memorialist but she she didn't want that
00:40:53
no she wanted she wanted to be there she had gold Festival she didn't want to be
00:40:57
you know the center of a memorial there like it's amazing that that's happening but it shouldn't she didn't ask for this
00:41:04
no so instead of being remembered for how or why she died Sylvia and everybody at
00:41:10
Sophie they worked tirelessly to make sure that Sophie's life served as a platform for spreading a message of
00:41:15
Tolerance and acceptance and I just think that's really yeah amazing that they were able to do that for sure so
00:41:21
back to the case here as family and friends began the work of promoting Sophie's memory and Legacy the police in
00:41:29
Bay cup continued the slow methodical work of interviewing more than a hundred people who had come forward with new
00:41:35
information detective inspector Dean Holden told the Press I'm grateful for the positive reporting we've received
00:41:41
and according to him because so many of the witnesses and others with information were children the interview
00:41:47
processes required additional time because there was a lot of different protocol that had to be followed and
00:41:54
that wasn't usually required in the process of interviewing adults this was like consent and all that right this is
00:42:00
a very different case and a very different way of investigating but still the turnout of information actually had
00:42:07
been surprisingly good it's great useful yeah and investigators were working on a
00:42:11
strong case against Rob and Sophie's attackers so in January 2008 all five boys appeared before a judge at the Crown
00:42:19
Court in Preston excuse me Crown Court at Preston in Lancashire where they all pleaded not guilty to the
00:42:28
charge of Murder in the case of Sophie Lancaster as well as not guilty to the charge of Grievous bodily harm in the
00:42:35
case of Rob Maltby and Sophie Lancaster wow okay it's like you're gonna do everything that you did to them and you
00:42:42
know you did that and you're not even going to take responsibility you're not even going to take responsibility like
00:42:47
how [ __ ] low are you yeah so since their arrest Daniel Mallet and the whole Brothers they had actually been released
00:42:54
on bail wow into the custody of their parents and we're expected to adhere to a 9 p.m 9 pm that's what I said okay I'm
00:43:03
glad I wasn't crazy 9pm they can go troll about the streets until 9 pm I know that you uh murdered an entire
00:43:11
person and attacked two people but uh what though just be home by nine damn are you kidding holy [ __ ] and the
00:43:19
other stipulation was that they were not to have contact with any Witnesses in the case oh yeah I'm sure they adhere to
00:43:23
that [ __ ] and no contact with Rob Maltby I can't imagine how Rob and Sophie's family like how they're all just
00:43:30
strolling around out there and then how Sophie's family fell because Rob probably felt in danger I'm assuming but
00:43:35
yeah I would feel that way and angry oh I would be so angry and he's trying to recover yeah he's trying to get his
00:43:43
whole life back in order everything he's gone through and these [ __ ] just get to run amok yeah they can just go out
00:43:49
and do their regular thing that they're doing like do we not know what happened the [ __ ] wow now luckily Ryan Herbert
00:43:55
and Brendan Harris I think they were the ones that the police were most worried about yeah they remained in custody I
00:44:00
think they should have been worried about the the entirety of them yeah absolutely but because all we're under
00:44:06
18 their identities were protected in the Press but anyone even the Press who attended the hearings had been privy to
00:44:13
their names yeah and even actually had taken photos of them entering and exiting the court so press was ready
00:44:19
with content when the ban on the uh on identifying the attackers was eventually there they just were like here you go
00:44:25
and they were like boom like that this is who did yeah now a trial was set for all five boys on
00:44:31
March 10th with a pre-trial hearing scheduled for February 22nd 2008. on February 25th bake up police held a
00:44:39
press conference led by superintendent Mick gradewell and detective inspector Holden where the press and the public
00:44:46
were finally provided with more details on the attack and the murder Holden told reporters this was the most
00:44:53
horrendous crime I have seen in 14 years and he went on to describe the four excuse me the five boys as feral feral
00:45:00
is a perfect way to describe them truly they are that really is feral Beast I'm glad he came up with that word because
00:45:07
that really really is it it really is I can't even actually think of a better word that's really perfect now he also
00:45:14
went out of his way to explain that neither Rob nor Sophie was in any way responsible for this attack they had
00:45:21
been targeted because of their appearance and for no other reason mocked up is what he was saying
00:45:25
now finally both gradwell and Holden told the Press they believed 15 year old Brendan Harris to be the quote unquote
00:45:34
primary offender that's wild and then they criticized the parents of all five boys for failing to take the matter
00:45:40
seriously and taking a Flippin attitude as investigators interviewed their children
00:45:45
the parents didn't give a [ __ ] I'm gonna stay quiet yeah that's why when you said
00:45:49
something earlier I was like oh don't even feel bad because they were pieces of [ __ ] and I'll say it so throughout
00:45:56
the investigation he explained most of the parents had laughed about the charges attempted to provide false
00:46:02
Alibis and were generally hostile and belittling of officers and investigating the case
00:46:08
Apple shouldn't fall far from the [ __ ] tree here [ __ ] ashamed of yourself and the sad thing is they're
00:46:15
they're not they're not wow beast I mean my brain won't even come up with words for them that's that's
00:46:24
cruelly abhorrent like that is that's a great word for it I am beyond words for that laughing about the charges laughing
00:46:35
about them you're killed about a murderer on a young girl's head they don't care
00:46:40
can you imagine not caring about that no because I am obviously a figure of speech I know you can't but it's like
00:46:48
but just like flabbergasting no I can't and just disgusting truly disgusting that's
00:46:54
despicable like I said apples didn't fall far no several weeks later gradwell again publicly criticized the parents of
00:47:02
the accused saying the only thing these Lads think they have done wrong is to be
00:47:07
caught it was almost as though they were laughing and joking about what they had
00:47:10
done parents have got to take much more responsibility [ __ ] yeah because it's like where the [ __ ] were you when your
00:47:17
kid was stomping on someone's face well looky you're laughing about it now right
00:47:22
so like it tells everybody everything they need to know it does now when the investigators had finished
00:47:28
speaking Sylvia Lancaster also was able to make a statement to the press and she
00:47:32
told reporters about Sophie's life Sophie's passions and about how her murder had affected her family she
00:47:39
explained that she had spent years working with young offenders herself actually and even despite what had
00:47:44
happened to her daughter she told them I haven't lost my faith wow that is a strong [ __ ] yeah at one point when
00:47:52
Sylvia said she knew Sophie's appearance had made her a Target in the past a reporters asked did you never ask your
00:47:59
daughter to change her appearance so she might not have faced Prejudice shown to
00:48:02
her that night and Sylvia said why would I ask her to change what she was oh I just got like a full chill why
00:48:10
would you ask your daughter to change why not why would we be asking the person attacked to change well that's
00:48:15
the thing attackers oh yes Sophie should have changed it shouldn't be these feral
00:48:20
little pricks that need to change like if we're talking about change here I think I know exactly where we start how
00:48:26
dare somebody even asked her how dare they yeah no by the time the trial began on March 10 2008 a few things had
00:48:34
actually changed in the course of their investigation investigators had discovered quote forensic evidence of
00:48:40
blood from both rava and Sophie on the pants of Ryan Herbert oops the pants that he was wearing obviously on the
00:48:46
evening of the attack so that provided a direct and damning connection to the murder
00:48:51
as a result scared little Herbert there realized he had to change his plea from not guilty to guilty on both counts how
00:49:00
do you like those apples yep before accepting the plea judge Anthony Russell wanted to make sure that Herbert
00:49:05
understood quote the sentence of the court is fixed at life meaning there wouldn't be any negotiations for a
00:49:11
lesser sentence good and Herbert's defense attorney explained he accepts responsibility for the attack on both
00:49:16
victims oh what a big guy he accepts responsibility when we found the actual physical evidence of it on his goddamn
00:49:23
pants right like he accepts responsibility now that there's literally no way to argue against it you
00:49:27
should have said he's been forced into accepting responsibility he didn't do that on his own volition precisely but
00:49:34
at that point The Plea was accepted and he was remanded back into the custody of
00:49:37
the crown months later after the trial had ended the press found out that detectives had actually gotten
00:49:43
recordings from phone calls that Herbert had made to his mother from Lancaster Farm young offenders Institute where he
00:49:50
was being held and he admitted to her in those calls that he had actively participated in the attack on Rob and
00:49:56
Sophie and the murder in another recording where he did not know that he was being recorded he actually admitted
00:50:02
to other things like quote kicking Sophie Lancaster like a football oh no never let him out never never let him
00:50:11
out now with him pleading guilty the four others stood before a judge and with regard to the charge of Grievous
00:50:16
bodily harm to Rob Maltby all four now pleaded guilty leaving only the murder charge unresolved now the prosecuting
00:50:24
attorney Michael shorrock I believe is how you say it he concluded that although there was evidence that all
00:50:30
five had participated in the attack on Rob there was no evidence actually directly connecting Daniel Mallett or
00:50:37
the whole Brothers for the attack slash murder on Sophie so because of that judge Russell
00:50:43
delivered a verdict of not guilty in the cases of Daniel Mallett and the whole Brothers wow
00:50:49
so that left Brendan Harris as the only individual to stand trial for Sophie's murder wow because
00:50:57
um because Ryan had already admitted to it exactly so all of their attorneys the whole
00:51:03
Brothers Daniel Mallet and Brandon harrises wanted their clients to be out on bail rather than remanded to the
00:51:08
custody of the crown what the [ __ ] do you think you are I'm also like I'm I'm thinking if I'm their defense attorney
00:51:14
I'd like them to remember being held because I don't know what the [ __ ] they're gonna do out there to make
00:51:19
this case even more that's the thing like you trust them out there right you trust your job that much like dance all
00:51:25
right wild but luckily the judge was like I am unmoved by that and they were all taken to the custody good until they
00:51:33
appeared for sentencing sentencing now with the new please out of the way and the uh Grievous bodily harm charges
00:51:40
settled the trial of Brendan Harris got underway March 12 2008. in his opening statements prosecutor shark told the
00:51:47
jury how Rob and Sophie had been targeted for their appearance by this group of Teenagers Who quote acting like
00:51:53
a pack of wild animals savagely and mercilessly beat the couple while quote encouraging each other and laughing
00:52:00
that's the thing they're all involved in this whether they were physically involved they were encouraging someone
00:52:05
to stomp on someone's head and laughing that's a problem that's it makes you want to throw up it does now through
00:52:14
witness after witness there were actually nearly 50 in total the jury learned the sequence of events that
00:52:19
started with raw being slapped in the face and then that escalated quickly to the vicious beating of both he and
00:52:25
Sophie which again obviously resulted in Sophie's murder one witness testified Herbert was
00:52:30
bending over Rob and punching him in the face all five were having a go there you
00:52:34
go Sophie was trying to push them off others testified to the laughter the mocking comments being directed at
00:52:41
Sophie as she was trying to protect an unconscious Rob from any more blows before they began directing their
00:52:47
violence at her which started with Brendan Harris delivering a kick to her head as she knelt a knelt beside Rob
00:52:55
cradling his broken head in her lap she was just tending to her love and then he kicked her in the head
00:53:04
and what kills me is that that last oh thing it's so it's so so horrible witnessed in her life was this yeah like
00:53:15
that's was like the love of her life being it's brutal it's like that's it's really Unthinkable there are not
00:53:23
words this is really Unthinkable it really is First Responders also testified that
00:53:29
when they first arrived arrived excuse me Sophie's injuries were so bad that like I said earlier they quote could not
00:53:35
distinguish Miss Lancaster's sex wow throughout the trial the jury heard the recordings of the calls made to 999 by
00:53:41
Witnesses at the scene and not provided insight to the jury on just how chaotic and absolutely terrifying that scene was
00:53:48
for everyone involved at one point jurors listened to a call that was made while the attack was still underway and
00:53:55
a hysterical girl could be heard screaming for help amid the chaos and while she was testifying on the
00:54:02
stand after the recording was played she became so emotional on the stand this poor girl that the judge actually
00:54:08
eventually determined that she was in no fit state to continue wow and had to adjourn the court for the day wow it was
00:54:14
that emotional and it actually was not the first time or the last time that members of the court or the jury had to
00:54:21
take a break after the emotional testimony I'm surprised they were ever able to get through this trial it's just
00:54:27
unbelievably census and it's so brutal it's senseless and so brutal exactly and it's just there's something about
00:54:34
someone using what they've got their hands and their feet yeah to do this much damage it is that close in
00:54:41
proximity to someone literally minding their business that is so brutal and just like what a human can do to another
00:54:49
human with their own with all the same human parts that we all have you can just so scary take someone in the head
00:54:56
and stomp on them when Brendan Harry finally took the stand he remained as defiant as ever oh [ __ ] you claiming he
00:55:05
played no part in the attack he said all the witnesses were lying or mistaken of
00:55:08
course they are you idiot and you know they must have just um figured out a way to fake those phone calls yeah
00:55:13
absolutely his claims were clearly [ __ ] there was plenty of witness testimony and evidence that actually
00:55:18
connected him to the crime and the prosecutor short told him during cross-examination you recall very well
00:55:24
what you did that night and you do not want anyone to know about it you were there until the very end you kicked
00:55:29
Sophie you and Herbert caused those her those horrible injuries yeah no it was during this cross examination
00:55:37
that the jury learned this was actually not the first incident of violence that Brendan Harris had committed in the park
00:55:43
four months four months before Rob and Sophie were attacked Ryan Harris and Brendan Herbert oh excuse me I just
00:55:51
flipped their last name sorry attacked another boy in stubby Lee Park stomping on his head and kicking him
00:55:58
before his own mother dragged him away and reported the assault to police wow four months earlier they kind of
00:56:07
started kicking him and stomping him in the head does that sound familiar now are you ready this is outraging they
00:56:13
were given community service for this assault that's failure failure that's pure failure failure
00:56:20
closing arguments were given on March 27th and the jury retired to deliberate before sending them away judge Russell
00:56:27
instructed the jury on their task and said if you are sure that the defendant took part in the attack on Sophie
00:56:32
Lancaster and he did intend to kill her or cause serious injury then he is guilty of murder although he was drunk
00:56:38
at the time provided you are sure he actually formed the intention to kill or cause really serious injuries then he is
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guilty of murder now after deliberating for a little less than three hours the jury returned to
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guilty verdict good thank God can you imagine oh no no obviously there was a wave of relief throughout the courtroom
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people were like erupting and allowed yes from Sylvia Lancaster now all five boys were returned to court
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on April 28 2008 where they were sentenced for their respective crimes for the charge of causing Grievous
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bodily harm to Rob and Sophie Danielle Mallett was sentenced to four years and four months
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I'm sorry what four years and four months because it was Grievous bodily harm not murder for them
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Joseph and Danny Holm were sentenced to serve a minimum of five years and 10 months
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now luckily Ryan Herbert and Brandon Harris were sentenced to double life sentences for the murderers they could
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be and causing Grievous bodily harm Brendan was actually required to serve a minimum of 18 years while Ryan was
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sentenced to a minimum of 16 years and three months because he got the lesser sentence there because he pleaded guilty
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and for the attack on Rob Harris and Herbert are Sunday or were sentenced to five years and 10 months which was to be
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served concurrent with the life sentences wow now before passing the sentence judge
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Russell addressed the boy saying this was a terrible case which has shocked and outraged all who have heard about it
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at least wild animals when they hunt in packs have a legitimate reason for doing
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so that's what I was thinking too I was like this isn't even animalistic because
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they usually don't attack unprovoked and they don't attack their own yeah he um he said you have none and your behavior
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on that night degrades Humanity itself wow it's like throwing out for that judge yeah now on October 7th 2008 all
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five had the [ __ ] nerve to appeal their sentences to the court of appeal in London who delivered the response two
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weeks later in the case of Brendan the court felt that judge Russell hadn't given quote enough allowance for his
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plea of guilty excuse me and as a result they further reduced his sentence to 15
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years and six months the other four appeals were rejected luckily but in their report the justices
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reprimanded all five for their participation in what they described as chilling random and Mindless brutality
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and they praised Sophie Lancaster for her remarkable courage demonstrated in her attempt to help her or excuse me to
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protect her boyfriend that's the thing because she could have run away of course and she didn't and seriously
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that's that really is and that tells you exactly who she was exactly now in the year since his sentence was passed
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Brendan Harris has appealed to sentence multiple times his appeals filed in August 2016 and January 2020 were
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rejected on grounds that he had not made significant progress and he was not deserving of consideration good the fact
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that after all that time you still haven't made progress we know what he's doing this in prison excuse me and in
00:59:50
February of 2020 Ryan Herbert's appeal was actually considered by a high court judge who found that he had made
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exceptional progress while in jail including efforts to further his education through the University of
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Cambridge where he was taking law courses oh I'm sorry he's taking law courses to find a loophole in all of
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this and also he's taking law courses what's Sophie get to do well Sophie's gone and while Rob has probably the mo
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the most tragic case of PTSD one could imagine okay cool in March of 2022 the parole board determined that Ryan
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Herbert's progress made him a good candidate for the for parole and granted him conditional release
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Sylvia Lancaster was obviously [ __ ] outraged by this decision and told reporters once again we have a justice
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system that fails to deliver Justice truly so they all just suck that is I can't that's enough who made
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that [ __ ] decision now Sylvia Lancaster continued speaking out against hate crimes and promoting
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the message of Tolerance through that organization Sophie and eventually through that work she was appointed to
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the order of the British Empire wow which is a prestigious award given to Citizens promoting social good in the UK
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badass now sadly on April 12 2022 actually Sylvia passed away from a rare complication that she suffered after a
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surgery her death came as a complete shock to the community that she supported Sylvia and Sophie left a
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legacy of Tolerance and unity that spread around the world through musician artists anybody who embraced this cause
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yeah now in general Rob Maltby avoided the press and I 100 understand that he just focused his his attention on the
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long and hard process of physical and emotional recovery now not surprisingly the trauma he
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experienced during and after the attack derailed a lot of his plans for the future I hate that it left him paranoid
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afraid to venture much further than his family's home but in 2017 he did finish his illustration degree yeah [ __ ] yeah
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hell yeah Rob and in an interview given to the guardian he said that he'd finally begun a new relationship with a
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young woman that he met online and he was planning to spend time with her in the U.S but he also told the guardian he
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had always been frustrated with the narrative that Sophie was killed because she was goth
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he told the reporter no she wasn't she was killed because some [ __ ] killed her why can't we ask what it is about
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them that made them want to murder someone not what it is about someone that made them be murdered yes and I
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think that is the perfect place to end this case absolutely [ __ ] phenomenal point of stop asking me why she was
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killed for what she looked and ask why they did it and ask why they [ __ ] did it yeah that's [ __ ] up this is one of
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the most tragic cases I've ever read in my life that was very painful I want to do something
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like wow seriously but yeah wow terrific we can do something haunted yes next week because that was really brutal
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because that was brutal yeah and we love you guys take care of yourselves yeah be
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nice to each other do something in Sophie's name this week you know I just think that'd be awesome don't don't be
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mean to people make fun of people yeah so everyone is dealing with their own [ __ ] exactly so deal with yours yeah and
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