00:00:00
guys July 25th the paperback of the butcher in the Wren is coming at you and this is
00:00:08
a huge deal because paperbacks rule first of all and second of all paperbacks are awesome
00:00:17
they're easy around you can shove them in your bag and you can bring them everywhere she's motioning back I am I
00:00:24
don't know why but that you know I think it's it's pretty small so like you can put it in your bag I think you know you
00:00:30
got a big back pocket shove it right in there uh you put it wherever you want I don't care just read it uh but read it
00:00:37
first preferably but do what you want because I support all of you but the cool thing about this one besides being
00:00:44
able to put it wherever you want is there's a sneak of the sea equal whoa the second book the second butcher
00:00:54
in the ren book there is a sneak peek chapter in the paperback edition which comes out July 25th so go get it and
00:01:02
then you can read a sneak peek chapter of the second one and you could be like I read that chapter none of you did and
00:01:08
then everybody who else who got the paperback can be like I did too and then you guys can talk about it but everyone
00:01:12
else will be like I don't know what that chapter is and you'll be cooler and right now I'm one of the only people
00:01:18
that can say I read that chapter and nobody else did and now you can too get on my level get on Ash's level July 25th
00:01:25
the paperback book edition of The Butcher and the rent go get it everywhere I love you guys
00:01:33
books and literacy hey weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is morbid [Music] yay did you almost forget to say who you
00:01:55
were uh yep I've done that before too I was just saying like Okay keep going hey
00:01:59
what's up everybody hey what's up hello hi hey what's going on everybody I was really
00:02:07
hoping you would just continue saying hi I got stressed out the whole episode could just be hey yeah hi I think that
00:02:12
would be great people would definitely not hate that no I think they'd love it 100 we know you guys it's morbid in the
00:02:19
morning it is morbid in the morning put that on a show I was just gonna say why the [ __ ] haven't we put that on a
00:02:26
shirt I know you know with like a like a little Morning Show yeah like a like a a
00:02:31
gothy Morning Show we could do like I mean we're just like thinking out loud here but we could do like a cute little
00:02:36
bundle where you got like a shirt and a coffee mug morbid in the morning merch idea
00:02:42
yes hell yeah write it down write it down Mikey someone write it down someone write that
00:02:51
down imagine if that's the kind of environment that we created imagine imagine just a festering [ __ ] in here that
00:03:01
we just yell at everybody and I say something no [Laughter] well this is gonna be a very quiet
00:03:08
episode just kidding um [ __ ] I forgot what I was oh I love the word Fester it's such a yucky disgusting
00:03:17
word but like when you use it properly festering like it feels like a swear word it has a nice like to it because
00:03:26
you're like you're a festering [ __ ] Uncle Fester like festering feels real filthy filthy filthy as well so close I
00:03:36
know there's too many apps you know but here we are here we are and I don't know I don't know when this is
00:03:45
coming out this is coming out like way later from now yeah.com but I don't know what's happened that we can
00:03:55
referenced I mean the guy that carved his name or his initials into the Coliseum just got arrested today good
00:04:01
man don't carve your [ __ ] name in The Coliseum yeah that's so rude that's the rudest so rude yeah real ignorant so
00:04:09
glad that was taken care of we learned yesterday this is not a fun fact but I think we all should be aware because I
00:04:15
think it's gonna like it's gonna like change how we live our daily life oh the sun thing Elena yesterday we're just on
00:04:21
the phone with my grandma by the way as this happened we're just like shooting the [ __ ] with calf and Elena holds up a
00:04:27
tick tock to me like without the sound and it said the sun could explode and we wouldn't know for eight minutes yeah
00:04:35
so like the sun may have just exploded knock on wood that it didn't God forbid and all that jazz yeah like
00:04:41
we are always eight minutes away from the Sun just ending it all like so think about so don't that sometimes don't and
00:04:50
like living so [ __ ] it live your life accordingly I didn't even have anything to say after don't I was like just don't
00:04:55
just don't don't do it just don't because the sun could explode if if somebody invites you for plans and
00:05:02
you're not sure about them you don't have to do it [ __ ] you I gotta stay home tonight the sun could explode because
00:05:07
what if the sun explodes and I'm at these plans that I didn't even want to do like oh waste oh if the sun explodes
00:05:14
and I'm I I love you guys but if the sun explodes and I'm at work and I don't know for eight minutes I'll be so bummed
00:05:20
yeah I'd like it wherever I go next yeah it's true I think the only place that I
00:05:25
would want to be is with Drew Drew with Drew Drew yeah and like and like you guys and the girls absolutely
00:05:30
existential thinking it's a it's a concept that's for sure but hopefully it makes you just think twice about like
00:05:37
being a day you know being an [ __ ] or doing things that don't bring you Joy yeah and if being an [ __ ] brings you
00:05:45
Joy then like go talk to someone because that's a problem that's the problem that's a bigger
00:05:51
problem or maybe you're just a Capricorn I'm sorry I really saw the opportunity there and I couldn't let it go I
00:06:00
couldn't let it go I loved you with softball and you had to hit it I love you so much you know but you know here
00:06:06
we are we're here hopefully we have more than eight minutes um so I did want to uh before we get
00:06:17
into today to into today's case I just wanted to give like a trigger warning um there is one I mean the whole a big
00:06:24
theme in this case is domestic violence but there's one spot in this and I'll give you a trigger warning like before I
00:06:30
get into it when we do start telling the story but at the top of the show there is uh like a section where kids are
00:06:36
involved oh No Just quickly and I brush I like brush over it pretty quickly because you know that's not something we
00:06:42
like to get too far into yeah um but just know that that's like a quick part of it okay no children die
00:06:48
okay that's good yeah but we're gonna get into it okay all right and uh so yeah trigger warning for domestic
00:06:54
violence and like Family Violence okay so we're gonna start on a happier note and we're going to be talking about uh
00:07:01
Jennifer Corbin Jennifer Monique Barber before she was Jennifer Corbin her maiden name was Barbara she was born on
00:07:08
January 25th 1971 in Kentucky to Max and Narda Barber she was the second of their
00:07:14
three children and not too long after she was born the family all up and moved to Lawrenceville Georgia it's like a
00:07:21
suburb about 30 miles outside of Atlanta okay and when asked about her family Jennifer's sister have Jennifer's sister
00:07:27
Heather said our family was just so incredibly close oh like a really tight-knit family
00:07:33
so when she was younger Jennifer they always said was like the most grounded of the three Barber girls her sister
00:07:38
Heather said she was just one of those people that made you feel good she always told you she always told you what
00:07:43
you needed to hear but somehow in a gentle way oh I love that like I love that a lot everybody needs someone like
00:07:48
that because she's like honest but gentle yeah she's never gonna lie to you but she's not gonna be like mean about
00:07:52
it exactly and friends and family remembered Jennifer as being this like really adventurous friendly kid she
00:07:58
loved to be outside and she was super Fearless when it came to risk taking She Was Not Afraid of Anything now by the
00:08:05
time she reached high school she had made like a ton of friends she had a really big Social Circle she was really
00:08:11
popular her friend Matthew Jenkins remembered her from school and said she was one of
00:08:15
a kind a very caring person that always had a kind word and a shoulder to lean on oh she just sounded like the kind of
00:08:21
person that you would want in yourself now outside of school she had a job at a place called Calico Jacks which was a
00:08:29
local restaurant she worked there for years and everyone there customers and co-workers are like
00:08:34
they all loved her so after she graduated from Central Gwinnett High School Jennifer decided
00:08:40
that she wanted to move to Savannah and her goal was going to be studying photography at Savannah's College of Art
00:08:46
okay now at first it was like really fun and she could see herself making a career of Photography but after two
00:08:53
years her love of It kind of dwindled a bit yeah and it wasn't necessarily something that she saw as the right path
00:09:01
anymore okay so she was like you know what I'm gonna move back home and kind of figure things out so she headed back
00:09:06
to Lawrenceville at that point she wasn't really sure what she wanted to do so in the meantime she got a job as a
00:09:12
server at Barnacles and Oyster club or an oyster bar in Duluth Georgia an oyster Club I know Oyster Club a club
00:09:20
for oysters oh I used to love oysters so much but then I found out that then vibrio and vibrio thing yeah but this
00:09:27
will come as no surprise to you at this point in no time everybody at Barnacles loved Jennifer look at her she just
00:09:33
seemed to be that kind of person like I can think of so many like people that I've worked with over the years like you
00:09:38
can always pick out that one person from a job that you're like ah she was awesome like he was great it's so true
00:09:43
now so the couple that owned the restaurant actually Bob and Suzanne Corbin they liked her so much that they
00:09:51
were discussing between the two of them what a great match she would be for their son Bart ah and Bob specifically
00:09:57
the father of Bart was really insistent about introducing the two of them and he
00:10:02
was like let me tell you like a little bit about bart he's a little older than you there was a seven year age
00:10:07
difference okay and he's a dentist so he's got this great job he's this handsome guy he's my son so I love him I
00:10:14
think you'll love him good teeth good teeth you know you'll have good teeth yeah everybody will have good teeth free
00:10:20
braces there you go let's go so they introduced the two of them the parents introduced Jennifer and Bart and
00:10:27
apparently when they met they did hit it off because before long they were officially an item they were dating
00:10:33
now in the summer of 1996 just a few months into their relationship they decided to have a little romantic
00:10:39
getaway and uh Bart took Jennifer on a trip to Italy damn which like that's a romantic getaway to Italy so that I know
00:10:48
it's real for real now it must have been wildly romantic because a couple weeks after they got home Jennifer found out
00:10:55
that she was pregnant oh now damn even though they weren't necessarily prepared to be parents at that point in time the
00:11:03
surprise of the pregnancy wasn't unwelcome it was like a happy surprise it was a happy surprise and Bart's
00:11:09
parents weren't old-fashioned in the way that they were going to put pressure on
00:11:12
him to marry Jennifer now that she was pregnant but they made it clear to him that he needed to support her and the
00:11:18
baby yeah like he they weren't going to let him just walk away good for them and
00:11:21
actually on his own Bart decided that marrying Jennifer and you know kind of uniting as a family
00:11:27
would be the right thing to do and that's what he wanted to do okay so he proposed to Jennifer
00:11:31
now his sister-in-law so like literally not even his sister Edwina she didn't necessarily agree with the decision to
00:11:39
make the proposal which like not your [ __ ] business I was just gonna say and why is it your business yeah and she
00:11:44
told the author of The Doctor's Wife great reference on this case uh the author is John GLA and Edwina told him
00:11:49
Bart wouldn't have married her if she hadn't been pregnant she was probably just a bit young or immature to consider
00:11:54
wife material like okay Edwina number one you know what if you don't have anything nice to
00:12:02
say don't say anything at all so I'm gonna set my lip on that one especially after somebody has been murdered you say
00:12:07
that [ __ ] about them and also like that's cute the term wife material like grosses me out honestly I hate that I'm
00:12:13
not a material I'm a [ __ ] human thank you and it's it's it makes it like a weird job yeah like I like I have to it
00:12:20
like aspired like you're not gonna get this and it's like no like we're Partners yeah like if you put a ring on
00:12:26
it I'm wife yeah yeah and I'm white I am white I am why fear me roar I mean pretty much so probably not knowing that
00:12:33
her sister-in-law was a huge jerk uh Jennifer did accept the proposal there you go and they got married on September
00:12:39
1st 1996. Jennifer's dad Mac said that Bart quote came into the family very quickly and that kind of was because
00:12:46
everybody liked him from the second they met him like he was a very Charming person they said he was funny he was
00:12:52
smart he was really personable like easy to have a conversation with the Jennifer's father Max said Bart's a very
00:12:58
funny person he's got a very quick wit and people are drawn to that huh so so far in their marriage so good right yeah
00:13:05
now in March of 1997 uh Jennifer and Bart had their son their first son together named Dalton
00:13:11
and from the outside it seemed like they were thriving they were putting on the picture of like happy newlyweds they've
00:13:17
got this new healthy baby Bart's business is doing really well and they were always off doing something together
00:13:22
they like to volunteer they rode their mountain bikes together they traveled it was all ideal and Jennifer was a really
00:13:29
really good mom everybody said that her sister said she was born to be a mom and
00:13:34
when she became a mom she did a hundred and ten she became Miss PTA the SUV driving baseball toting Super Mom oh I
00:13:41
love that goals and I love that her sister was like she was a [ __ ] fantastic oh that's and that means she
00:13:48
was an amazing sister exactly I know but unfortunately the view that the outside
00:13:53
world was getting of Jennifer and Bart and their marriage was mostly a facade and in reality there were some serious
00:14:00
red flags being waved in the air for one thing Bart had a very very explosive temper that could be triggered in an
00:14:10
instant uh Jennifer's father told NBC he had a temper that could snap in a second
00:14:14
and it seemed to be getting worse oh and then you mix that with kids that's that's not that's the thing because kids
00:14:22
are going to press your butt of course and there's going to be situations where you're [ __ ] exhausted and you need to
00:14:26
have a [ __ ] handle on your [ __ ] emotions like a grown-ass adult and interesting that you say that like when
00:14:33
you bring kids into it changes things yep not long after Dalton was born their friends and family started to notice
00:14:38
that Bart had a tendency to lose it and start yelling at Jennifer over really trivial things like if he felt that she
00:14:45
had done something wrong he wouldn't let it go and he'd keep poking keep poking keep poking in like in front of people
00:14:51
like embarrass her yeah and if somebody's doing that in front of people yeah yeah
00:14:56
not okay in the early years of the marriage Jennifer never complained about it to any of her friends she just kind
00:15:02
of like you know took the treatment and tried to focus on the good it seems so they all just kind of thought that he
00:15:08
was a dick but yeah they there was not a lot that they could do there and they were just trying to support their friend
00:15:13
and their family member now just one year after Dalton was born Jennifer became pregnant again and in
00:15:19
January of 1999 she gave birth to their second baby Dylan Dalton and Dylan oh so
00:15:25
cute and at that point they had really outgrown their house so they started looking for a new one and they ended up
00:15:31
finding it in Beaufort Atlanta it's like a ritzy suburb okay uh they moved into that new house just days after Jennifer
00:15:37
had given birth wow I feel like that tells you a little bit of what you need to know like
00:15:42
I don't know why she didn't wasn't allowed time to rest yeah now for the most part in the years that followed
00:15:49
Dylan's birth their second kid Jennifer and Bart they tried to keep up with that
00:15:52
role of the happy family they spent weekends and Summers on their boat at Lake Lanier oh gasp eek I know right and
00:16:00
they were known to host big parties for friends and family at their like their main home in Buford and it was all
00:16:06
really nice for a while but eventually the excitement of the new home the new baby faded and the cracks and really
00:16:14
what we should refer to as Bart's facade started to show again now Dalton was five at this point and he
00:16:20
was going to a private school and at this point Bart started really put like pushing both of his sons to be more
00:16:26
physically active Dalton is the oldest and he's five I was just gonna say yeah the two of them at four and five played
00:16:34
basketball took swimming lessons martial arts lessons and Dalton added playing basketball uh baseball first outside of
00:16:43
school and then on the school's Little League team into the mix of all of that and it's like this is what like you like
00:16:49
you always you want your kids to try stuff but like if you're forcing that kind of
00:16:56
thing on a fight like five years old this young to be doing like that many things right you're supposed to be
00:17:02
trying like like one or two things at a time you know yeah you just kind of like
00:17:06
start trying things that's the whole point of it is like figuring out what your areas of passion are but you don't
00:17:11
throw them into everything you know and the kids enjoyed their sports but Bart always took it to the next level well I
00:17:18
was gonna say and if they do enjoy all these it's like then it you can't treat it like this hard yeah
00:17:25
it's supposed to be fun exactly that's the thing and there's and when they're that young they're like at an age where
00:17:31
they're learning how to be a teammate and how to like the rules of each game exactly like the basic stuff yeah but
00:17:37
again Bart always took it to a place it didn't need to go to and because they were involved in so many sports I think
00:17:44
he kind of saw this as an opportunity to be more involved in those Sports and in
00:17:49
2002 he decided that he was going to uh coach Dalton's Little League team okay now at that point Dalton was six or
00:17:56
seven and of course was on a team with fellow six and seven-year-olds of course but Bart had ridiculously high standards
00:18:03
and would lose it on Dalton and the other kids anytime one of them failed to live up to those expectations I can't
00:18:10
imagine being that kind of adult no me either and this is kind of where we're going to get into like a little bit of
00:18:15
the yucky stuff so just so you know okay it's so mean and it makes me like really
00:18:19
sad but in front of like their teammates he would call them loser crybaby whiner
00:18:25
anytime they like struck out or fumble to play you know can you imagine being a grown ass man
00:18:33
being like you're a loser you're a crybaby like and not only like see a child like I can't imagine that in
00:18:40
general but your baby yeah seek help like I get upset when I have to say no to the girls I couldn't imagine sitting
00:18:48
there being like you're a loser because you didn't do well in this sport [ __ ] off and a whiner like that's gross in my
00:18:54
opinion it's my it's my opinion a former friend and neighbor said he didn't have
00:19:00
any patience for the kids at all he just gave them hell and it didn't matter who
00:19:03
was around then he should never be a coach and to be honest like he had no business being a parent no if you don't
00:19:08
have pain if you can't learn to have patience or have any control over your emotions as an adult you have no
00:19:14
business being around kids no and the thing that got me about like that neighbor saying he gave them hell and it
00:19:20
didn't matter who was around if you're comfortable doing what you're doing in front of people what are you doing
00:19:25
behind doors exactly so if you can imagine if that's what was going on in front of people that's awful it was
00:19:30
worse but that's a closed doors and again getting into a yuckier part here I don't want to get super far into it and
00:19:38
if you want to learn like more about this specific instance or the case overall I do recommend the book that I
00:19:43
mentioned earlier the Doctor's Wife by John Glatt but Bart was worse at home Jennifer's sisters witnessed him not
00:19:50
only name calling Jennifer but the kids as well and it was a well-known fact that his kids were afraid of him that's
00:19:56
awful one of them the older one I think I believe it was told his grandfather uh
00:20:02
Jennifer's father that after a game where he struck out his father lost it on him in public and then hit him after
00:20:08
the game what a piece of [ __ ] for strut like striking out in a little league game you're a piece of [ __ ] there's
00:20:15
never in my opinion at least an excuse to hit your child yeah that's how I feel but but over a [ __ ] baseball game you
00:20:23
got your kid like astonishing Behavior like truly astonishing Behavior I can't imagine being that pathetic of an adult
00:20:30
and I really can't don't ever want my kids to be afraid of me some people think like oh you you know like like I
00:20:37
think we mentioned it in one of the episodes yeah like uh being fearful and respect go hand in hand I don't think
00:20:44
that's it at all oh my God that's just out that's just not how I do it that's not how I would that's not how I do it
00:20:49
you're welcome to parent however you feel is you know fine for you right I don't get the fear-based parenting it
00:20:56
doesn't make a lot of sense to me no I just I don't want that kind of environment in my house no I think you
00:21:01
know respect breeds respect and if I you respect them as human beings they respect me as human beings and we
00:21:08
maintain that together like I grew up hearing like I don't respect you you respect me and that's [ __ ] up and
00:21:15
because of that I had no respect for the person to me I was like okay you don't respect me go [ __ ] yourself I have zero
00:21:21
respect for people who do not respect me same here zero since I was a little kid so why would a
00:21:27
little kid have to have respect for someone who openly is treating you with no respect and also telling you you have
00:21:33
no respect and if I'm afraid of you I don't respect you I'm scared of you exactly a few different feelings that
00:21:38
like I don't understand that it's really sad to me that like he went to his grandpa and was like like I'm afraid of
00:21:43
dad and this is what happened that's awful that well that's my my whole thing with kids and having kids and again this
00:21:50
is just my thing you can do whatever you can do it I was gonna say that's a Housewives thing by the way just in case
00:21:56
you wonder where that's it is it's a Tamara judge uh but in just in case you wonder why we scream it all the time but
00:22:02
like that's this is again just my my thought process it's like your kids should feel safe with you I shouldn't
00:22:09
feel fearful of you that you should be the thing that they go to to feel completely and utterly safe yes that's
00:22:19
at least how I see it in my household I don't really understand I never want them to not think this is a safe place
00:22:25
and that I am not a safe person because I might lose my [ __ ] on them yeah well
00:22:29
like and they're not going to come to you with things that you would want them to come to you with if they don't see
00:22:34
you as a safe person yeah and it's like everybody loses their like loses their temper or loses their cool once in a
00:22:41
while and kids will absolutely be the thing to push you though but the whole point is when you lose control of your
00:22:47
emotions a little bit you should apologize in my opinion because that not only teaches them that when they lose
00:22:52
their cool the right thing to do is to apologize yeah and it teaches them that you're a human being and that you can
00:23:00
admit when you are wrong and that like that I don't hold myself to a different standard than I I hold you to if you
00:23:08
lose your [ __ ] you need to apologize for it and we need to talk through it and
00:23:13
vice versa I'm not holding myself to some holier than thou standard just because I'm your mom like we're on the
00:23:19
same playing field here if I [ __ ] up I apologize if you [ __ ] up apologize like
00:23:24
we gotta be on the same thing here yeah I feel like the old kind of school parenting is like do as I say not as I
00:23:30
do and the new parenting is like let me lead by example yeah like let's be let's
00:23:36
be like you know Partners here through this whole process of raising you like yeah you need to be a part of it and you
00:23:43
should feel like you are part of the process and that you can talk to me right and sadly I don't think these kids
00:23:48
felt that way with their father that always makes me so sad now Jennifer on the other hand she didn't outwardly
00:23:53
challenge or oppose spart's preferred methods of discipline I guess you could call them but she did very much try to
00:24:00
balance it out by being super super loving and super supportive of the boys I'm glad they had that like championing
00:24:06
that them you know yeah no it must have been very very difficult to have your home life be like that and then have to
00:24:13
put on the facade of like where this big happy family in public you know like we
00:24:18
are prim and proper yeah and it sounds like despite how things appeared to those on the outsides on the outside
00:24:25
excuse me Jennifer and Bart's marriage had been steadily disintegrating for a while I don't know why I said
00:24:30
disintegrating but I did emphasis on different syllables you know and by the Fall I don't know I was trying to put a
00:24:36
different emphasis on the ball of 2003. Bart was spending more and more time at work not working though as I'm
00:24:47
sure you can imagine I was just gonna say he and his office manager legit named Jennifer Garner whoa actually
00:24:54
named Jennifer Garner oh [ __ ] also like wow they were carrying on what she described as an office Affair so he was
00:25:02
having an affair on his wife Jennifer with his secretary Jennifer there's many reasons why this man needs
00:25:10
to seek help and I think we're seeing layers of it Compound on top of layers of it truly and and also girl
00:25:18
he's married with two kids she knew like don't but both of you are real shitty for that exactly she said after the last
00:25:25
patient of the day they would make love in his office and then go their separate
00:25:29
ways precious truly I'm like what did that really did it so romantic but anyway with Bart spending more time out
00:25:36
of the house and the kids being a bit older and not needing like constant attention you know Jennifer found new
00:25:42
ways to entertain herself and in early 2004 she bought a PlayStation and she found herself really quickly absorbed in
00:25:49
this game called EverQuest have you heard of that no I haven't either it's an MMO game
00:25:54
um like one of the ones where there's like a ton of other people playing okay I don't know what that is I didn't
00:25:59
either Dave put a little key in there for me thank goodness for Dave I love him uh shout out to Dave shout out to
00:26:05
Dave but um it's so it's like a like a World of Warcraft or like a Call of Duty yeah
00:26:12
where you're all talking to each other and like from my understanding right okay you can you can talk to people from
00:26:18
all over the world it's like that's scary I think it's it was like a multi I don't know multi
00:26:24
no I thought I had it but no yeah massive multiplayer online game shout out to Mikey Mikey you rock oh
00:26:32
it's like a fantasy yeah kind of thing yeah so so she got really really quickly immersed in that and I can see why
00:26:38
because it's a fantasy game like oh hell yeah you know you're kind of like creating this this separate world that
00:26:44
is so different from the world that you're living in right now yeah so while the kids were off at school or at one of
00:26:49
their various activities or you know Bart was at work being a cheating [ __ ] Jennifer would spend hours at
00:26:55
home playing EverQuest okay and over time she kind of started getting more and more withdrawn from real life Edwina
00:27:03
on the scene to read again said there really was a marked difference Jen had lost a lot of weight was dressing more
00:27:09
sloppily than before and was not looking after the house like she used to it's like you're really just [ __ ] on
00:27:17
her over and over and over again I think what you meant to say Edwina was there was a marked difference we were
00:27:23
concerned about her yeah she wasn't herself yeah like she wasn't taking care of not like like go [ __ ] yourself Sorry
00:27:30
God but before long Jennifer she started skipping out on family functions and Gatherings and people were starting to
00:27:37
notice and yeah that becomes they were getting concerned yeah and if that wasn't a strong enough indicator that
00:27:43
the things in the marriage weren't going very well then her own words would make
00:27:47
things explicitly clear early that summer Jennifer confronted Bart for the first time and told him she was
00:27:53
considering leaving him and that she wanted to take the boys with her and she said like this is something I've been
00:27:58
thinking about for a while now so of course completely furious with that and needing to keep control on his side yeah
00:28:04
Bart suggested that they go to counseling together okay which I'm like you're actively cheating on her right
00:28:10
now and you want to go to counseling like yeah and then do counseling like that'll be
00:28:16
great but it was too late at that point for Jennifer and in the months that followed
00:28:21
she became more and more intentional about distancing herself from Bart she started sleeping in a different bedroom
00:28:27
in the house and quote began separating her in Bart's possessions apparently preparing to move out and this is so
00:28:33
unfortunate because like on one hand I'm like yeah Jennifer like good for you but
00:28:38
I'm like this is scary because it's the most scariest time dangerous time and I hate that that is a reality and it's
00:28:45
like it's one of the biggest realities if you want to Champion people getting the [ __ ] out of these situations but
00:28:50
taking their power back but it's so scary and so treacherous treacherous of a road
00:28:57
to walk it really is it sucks and like it really does and it takes a lot to get to that point too which is like really
00:29:04
sad that and then you have to fight through the the thicket to get out of it you know it's like you you don't you get
00:29:10
to just walk this clear path out of the out of this awful place you have to you know I'm making a lot of weird symbolism
00:29:17
here but I don't know I'm just seeing it in my head it's like walking through like these crazy you know brambles that
00:29:22
are ripping you apart as you go through yeah you just try to make it to the other side are you like an author or
00:29:28
something I don't know why I was doing that I've been writing a lot so maybe I'm
00:29:33
like thinking about a lot of medicine no I mean it was beautiful I welcome it I just feel bad but yeah for anybody who
00:29:43
has to deal with this part of it yeah now according to Jennifer's friend and neighbor Kelly Jennifer had told her
00:29:50
husband that she wanted to separate and find a new place for her and her boys like I just said
00:29:54
no at first again like I just said Bart was mad but eventually he kind of seemed
00:29:59
to accept the fact that this marriage was over okay but he had no intention of supporting Jennifer financially if that
00:30:05
was the case [ __ ] you and because of that in the fall of 2004 she ended up getting a job as a preschool teacher at
00:30:12
the Sugar Hill Methodist Church where both of her boys had also gone to preschool okay now she had something to
00:30:18
occupy her time during the day which was great I was probably better for her at first but then she fell into like this
00:30:26
nighttime routine of spending all night playing the Everquest game yeah that's not great exactly now eventually while
00:30:32
she was doing that she met another player online named Christopher and they started off just talking to each other
00:30:39
but you know the online flirtation kind of escalated a bit and now they were having a full-blown online Affair wow
00:30:45
which I I can see how she got pushed to that point absolutely you know well he was cheating on her she was they were
00:30:53
both out of this marriage ready to divorce it's sad that they couldn't just divorce and both move on and truly you
00:31:00
know I don't know if anything would ever make Bart happy but Jennifer could have
00:31:03
had a happy she was obviously looking for like some kind of emotional you know fulfillment and support you
00:31:09
know so throughout most of that fall Jennifer you know pursued the online relationship
00:31:13
with this Christopher and she really really wanted to meet in real life but Christopher seemed reluctant to take
00:31:20
things into the real world which we all know as the beginning of a MTV TV show exactly now this was confusing for
00:31:27
Jennifer because with in just a couple months of meeting online they had exchanged almost a thousand emails wow
00:31:33
and she was fully convinced that this Christopher was the love of her life wow so by November 2004 the online affair
00:31:41
with Chris completely consumed Jennifer's thoughts and on November 12th that would come to a screeching halt
00:31:48
because Chris confided and Jennifer that he felt like their relationship had gotten out of control and he told her
00:31:54
that he needed to admit something to her Chris was not a tall handsome man like she'd been told and there actually was
00:32:01
no Chris I'm sure we kind of all saw this coming the person that Jennifer had been messaging was really a woman named
00:32:08
Anita from Missouri Anita was super super apologetic and she explained that she was in a really
00:32:15
shitty unsatisfying marriage her home life was kind of similar to Jennifer's in the sense that she wasn't so sad it's
00:32:22
really sad in every way and she was using the Chris profile to explore her interest in women okay you know not the
00:32:30
right thing to do but just sad sad like sad that these women were in such awful like home life so you know I mean like
00:32:39
that people have to turn to these things it just makes me sad and like have to turn to these like Virtual Worlds where
00:32:44
they can't really experience the joy that you do in like real life and where it's like like that it's not just this
00:32:50
hobby that makes you happy every once in a while you know what I mean that's like
00:32:53
that's nice like you want to have that like that's that's awesome like you play The Sims or something yeah you sit there
00:32:59
and make a house for four hours and you're like holy [ __ ] but like you know but it's like when it becomes your
00:33:05
reality and like when it becomes the only thing that's consuming outside of playing it that's when it's a problem
00:33:12
and that's usually when everything around you is so unsatisfying exactly and that's what's really sad about it
00:33:18
because anything that becomes that much of an escape is not necessarily healthy exactly you know but Anita did say that
00:33:27
she really truly had fallen in love with Jennifer and she actually hoped to continue their relationship
00:33:32
so over the course of a couple months like of of Jennifer knowing Chris she had invested a lot into the relationship
00:33:39
and the vision in her head that she had was her escaping this marriage and starting over with her boys and someone
00:33:46
she loved yes Chris person so when she got the news that it was actually Anita and that in real life Anita identified
00:33:53
as a woman Jennifer was confused and honestly pretty devastated of course which you know she wasn't she didn't
00:34:00
necessarily identify as a lesbian at that time so yeah and you and you were just you were deceived you were deceived
00:34:06
like no matter what even with the intention behind it was not malicious and when this person is still this
00:34:11
person you were deceived and that just sucks it does so she emailed Anita and said I just can't take this I even fell
00:34:17
in love with the name Chris I just don't know how you could do this to me I trusted you with everything in me which
00:34:23
is really sad but after a few days the feelings of you know shock and betrayal they kind of subsided and Jennifer
00:34:30
seemed to have forgiven Anita she wrote in another email I'm not sure I would have continued to talk to you for very
00:34:36
long if you hadn't come back to me telling me that you had lied and were still Chris but who knows I do know that
00:34:42
I've fallen deeper in love with you as each day passed I'm glad you didn't wait to tell me until you'd met me wow yeah
00:34:47
like a really big person in my opinion yeah so from there the relationship actually kind of got back on track wow
00:34:54
yeah emails got you know increasingly explicit again and now there were real discussions about meeting in person soon
00:35:02
it is very interesting to see they just connected as humans like even though this is like virtual and all that like
00:35:10
they didn't and she fell in love with this person yeah regardless of whether this was a woman or a man
00:35:19
she just fell in love with this person like that's just a very interesting like you know I think I think we all just
00:35:24
fall in love with people I think a lot can be said about stripping away a lot of it's just interesting yeah it's like
00:35:31
and it's like a it's like a nice thing too it's refreshing that they just were like you know what I just like you as a
00:35:37
person because honestly that's how I feel like I know that like people identify like as the L the G the b-e-tq
00:35:44
and all of that I kind of just am like a person that loves people yeah like I feel that exactly you know yeah but and
00:35:50
it kind of seems like Jennifer realized that she might have been like a person that just loved people exactly at least
00:35:55
in the case of Anita I weirdly am like like so happy about it but I'm like I love how it started I
00:36:02
know that's the thing it's like it started pretty pretty rough and like it's got a lot of bumps along the way
00:36:08
like there's like these weird loopholes where you're like yeah and you're like you're happy just to see that they both
00:36:13
moved past it and that they decided to continue whatever they were doing before exactly
00:36:19
so yeah um so Jennifer's online relationship you know maybe got back on track but in the
00:36:25
meantime her real world and her relationship with Bart was worse than it had ever been before as the family
00:36:31
um this is a serious warning for the domestic violence right here trigger warning as the family was driving home
00:36:38
from Jennifer's parents house after Thanksgiving dinner Jennifer had to make a stop at a grocery store
00:36:43
and Bart had completely caught on to the fact that Jennifer was having an affair
00:36:48
like something in him probably the fact that he was also carrying out an affair that'll do that like game c game I guess
00:36:54
exactly so he he had this like sinking feeling and he used the opportunity to search through the car for evidence of
00:37:00
this affair he knew that she was having and he did end up finding something he found a poem that Anita had written to
00:37:06
Jennifer that was you know kind of like sexually explicit she'd printed it out and just kept it with her in her purse
00:37:11
and he found it there oh wow so when she got back in the car he confronted her with the poem and started screaming in
00:37:17
her face like a [ __ ] hypocrite yeah I was gonna say like you have nothing like you can't get mad about
00:37:24
this this should be one of those things where you just both go see we're not we're not meant to be together yeah so
00:37:29
he started screaming in her face and she started crying and begging him not to be
00:37:33
so aggressive because the kids were in the back seat oh my God and they were cowering and suddenly he punched her in
00:37:39
the face while she in front of those children while she was driving in front of both kids she almost lost control of
00:37:46
the car but luckily managed to get home without getting in a serious accident but as soon as they did get home Bart
00:37:53
jumped into his own car and just took off I believe they would never come back by unfortunately he does yeah he left
00:38:01
Jennifer just having been beaten essentially in front of her children and now she has to calm her traumatized
00:38:07
children while trying to calm herself as well right so not sure what to do she called her dad and was like I don't know
00:38:13
what to do right now like this is the situation and he was like you need to pack those kids up and bring them to my
00:38:18
house right now like let's go you gotta get out of there yeah but the only problem with that was that Jennifer was
00:38:24
worried Bart would know that she'd gone to her parents house and he would show up there and she didn't want that
00:38:30
happening so instead she took the boys to her sister's house now just moments after she made the arrangements for her
00:38:37
sister with her sister and like explained everything that was happening Heather the sister her cell phone
00:38:43
started to ring and it was Bart calling and she answered the phone and heard the
00:38:48
Frantic sound of him making excuses he told her whatever she says it's a lie I didn't hit her and she can't prove
00:38:55
anything oh like actually she can she has two eyewitnesses exactly and probably a
00:39:02
black eye so I don't know what you mean she can't promote anything piece of [ __ ]
00:39:05
this guy is just like a true piece of [ __ ] if you can hit a woman you're [ __ ] disgusting yeah you're a piece
00:39:10
if you can call your kid a a baby cry baby loser wonder you're a piece of [ __ ]
00:39:15
there's no upside to this [ __ ] no so the thing was he realized that he had [ __ ] up of course I don't think he
00:39:23
cared on an emotional level he just didn't want to get in trouble he cared in the way that he didn't want to get in
00:39:27
trouble and cared in the way that he had a business that he didn't want to be affected by all of this of course don't
00:39:33
hit people in the face then yeah that's the answer to that so now he knew the divorce was completely inevitable he
00:39:39
accepted that the marriage was over but he was very very worried about his reputation and of course as a man used
00:39:46
to having full control over every [ __ ] aspect of his life he was determined to do whatever he could to
00:39:52
protect himself and prevent Jennifer from going to the police whatever he could so on the morning of December 4th 2004
00:40:01
uh that neighbor Kelly that I mentioned earlier she was at home you know just getting ready for her day and her
00:40:07
doorbell started ringing frantically so she ran to the door and opened it and she found her seven-year-old neighbor
00:40:13
Dalton crying and telling her my daddy shot my mommy oh God horrifying are you [ __ ] kidding me what I will say is
00:40:23
luckily they didn't see it happen oh they knew it happened but they didn't see it when it happened oh that like
00:40:30
Breaks My Soul tiny tiny comfort and a very [ __ ] up situation oh God that's so awful it's horrifying so Kelly picked
00:40:39
up Dalton and started comforting him but at the same time rushed over to the house to check on her friend I mean this
00:40:45
was her friend so she stepped foot in the house just as the younger son was walking out of his parents bedroom
00:40:51
crying and Kelly looked in to see that Jennifer this is a horrifying scene she was laying on the bed dressed only in a
00:40:58
nightgown and there was a very large hole in the back of her head as a younger son had just walked out of
00:41:04
the room oh they didn't see everything they had seen everything except it happened when it happened
00:41:09
so Kelly carefully approached the bed and she reached out to touch Jennifer and she said she was ice cold she was
00:41:15
frozen she'd been there a long time there was nothing I could do for her so she scooped up both boys and ran back to
00:41:21
her house to call 9-1-1 no wow horror like also that neighbor what a [ __ ] that's a neighbor she
00:41:30
walked into that house not knowing what she was going to be dealing with oh I mean she just heard my daddy shot my mom
00:41:36
could have had a gun still yeah and to go get that other little boy like that's heroic she cared yeah that's a good
00:41:43
neighbor and actually her and her husband are a huge part of this case and like fantastic people oh I love that you
00:41:50
can tell absolutely I'm like covered in my Goosebumps right now it's just awful no Gwinnett County police officers
00:41:56
arrived at 801 a.m just a couple minutes after Kelly called and they made their way inside the Corbin house and you know
00:42:03
they found Jennifer just as Kelly had described to them when she met them at the front door Jennifer was lying on her
00:42:08
side there was that gunshot wound to the back of her head and the revolver was next to her body but it was slightly
00:42:14
covered by the sheet of the bed and Scattered across the bed in front of her were divorce papers that had been served
00:42:21
to her on or seemed to have been served to her on behalf of Bart Corbin so he was trying to make it look like very
00:42:26
clearly yeah the officer in the room they had never been trained to jump to conclusions obviously but the scene in
00:42:32
the bedroom told them a pretty simple story at that point of a wife who had become despondent at the thought of
00:42:39
being divorced by her husband and took her own life that's what that's a no that's what a glance told them but at
00:42:46
Kelly's house across the street Kelly's husband Steve remembered that Bart had planned to go away for that weekend and
00:42:53
he had left the night before but he didn't know the number to wherever Bart had gone and he couldn't remember like
00:42:58
exactly where he had said he was going so he had no way of reaching him okay so he called Bart's parents house and he
00:43:05
spoke to Bart's father Bob and he was like somebody needs to pick up the kids like I I don't know what to do here yeah
00:43:11
and he recalled the phone call later and said somebody was on the phone when I was talking to him they were breathing
00:43:18
really heavy I thought maybe it was Bart Corbin on the other line so like while he was talking to Bob the father he
00:43:25
could tell somebody else was on a different line creepy that's terrifying now despite how the scene appeared at a
00:43:32
glance investigators had more than one reason to be skeptical that Jennifer had taken her own life first there was
00:43:39
Dalton's statement to Kelly that his father had shot his mother yeah then there was also the fact that just a
00:43:45
couple days earlier on December 1st Jennifer called 9-1-1 to report that she and Bart had been in another fight and
00:43:52
he'd stolen her phone and a few other belongings and left the house like what what a man baby like a true
00:44:00
man baby and then finally there were reports from Jennifer's family to the police about
00:44:06
the domestic violence and the assault that occurred on Thanksgiving they did report that good Jennifer's father told
00:44:12
NBC I knew that she was dead and I knew that somebody did it he probably I like I can't imagine and
00:44:21
it's like they pre they probably were seeing this played out in real time and they were just dreading it's like your
00:44:26
worst nightmare has come yeah to free wish it's like you can see it all going in a really bad Direction and it's like
00:44:33
this is the worst possible outcome exactly so while the news of Jennifer's death started making its way around
00:44:39
stunned family members police and crime scene technicians were processing the scene as what it was a crime scene
00:44:45
luckily now among those people at the scene was senior assistant district attorney Tom Davis and he immediately
00:44:53
was like this place is suspicious as [ __ ] and all of this is a little too obvious yeah the divorce papers strewn
00:45:01
out in front of her like come on right there were things about the scene also that just didn't make sense Jennifer had
00:45:07
been shot in the back of it I was also going to say like just the logistics right so she'd been shot in the back of
00:45:13
the head but the gun was laying at her side tucked under a sheet yeah if she had shot herself that would have meant
00:45:19
that she would have had to slip the gun under that sheet before starting over after having shot herself in the back of
00:45:26
the head exactly yeah not possible no I didn't know if I had to throw that in there yeah just in case you were
00:45:31
wondering but then there were the divorce papers themselves I don't know if you caught what I said earlier they
00:45:36
seemed like they had been served to her this is [ __ ] wild as investigators were processing this scene a Gwinnett
00:45:44
Gwinnett sheriff's deputy unaware of what was going on at that point arrived at the house to serve Jennifer divorce
00:45:52
papers these were fake papers yup this [ __ ] idiot they hadn't even been served yet are you kidding me like
00:46:03
how did you what that's why I don't under I mean there's nobody should things about this
00:46:09
that you won't understand nobody should ever understand like why someone killed someone in the first place but he's
00:46:14
worried about his reputation in his career and the answer to that is I'm gonna murder my wife that'll help my
00:46:22
reputation yeah no you're just gonna go to jail like that doesn't help your reputation
00:46:27
either classic narcissists though they think I'm gonna murder my wife it was I'm gonna murder my wife and Stage it
00:46:33
like a suicide and I'm so smart so why would anybody ever question me it's like wow I'm glad they're so dumb in that
00:46:40
sense because it's like they always get caught and it's like thank goodness right [ __ ] so but then so the
00:46:46
investigators are sitting there and they're like well how would she be distraught over divorce papers that she
00:46:51
hadn't been served yet yeah like these are not real clearly that's the universe intervening right there right that was
00:46:58
when I got to that point I was like whoa yeah but a better question where the [ __ ] was Bart Corbin yeah nobody knew
00:47:06
where he was at this point and it took hours trying to locate him but detectives were finally able to get in
00:47:11
touch with his brother Bobby a little after 11 A.M okay now Bobby told detective Marcus head you can understand
00:47:18
my brother is pretty upset and anxious right now yeah uh-huh I could understand I could
00:47:24
understand that I could understand exactly why he might be anxious now the detective returned to Max Barber
00:47:30
Jennifer's father who had been been at the scene all morning tending to the kids and like realizing what had just
00:47:37
happened to his daughter I can't even imagine so the detective goes over to him and
00:47:41
explains you know I I talked to Bart's brother and they're on their way to pick up the kids which I don't know why that
00:47:48
was allowed like that why would Bart's family be able to like no I don't quite understand that that shouldn't have been
00:47:54
allowed like that alone must have been shocking to me like the whole thing was the kid came over and said my daddy shot
00:48:00
my mommy exactly whether you think that's the case or not that's what that kid said and you should treat it like
00:48:04
there's something wrong here like why would you send those kids give those kids to his family exactly well
00:48:10
so they told Max that Bart and Bobby would be there in about 15 to 20 minutes Max waited there for three hours and
00:48:18
Bart never showed and never called of course not three uh he didn't give a [ __ ] about his kids no he doesn't care
00:48:24
no no I mean any normal parent I can I can imagine it's wildly hard to picture this like a parent not rushing to be
00:48:33
with their kids after such a traumatic event under normal circumstances but these were not normal circumstances and
00:48:39
Bart had other priorities yeah like [ __ ] his secretary or whatever the [ __ ] she is and this while he was
00:48:44
supposedly pulling himself together to go over to the house and pick the kids up he actually was in fact Consulting
00:48:50
with his divorce divorce lawyer Patricia O'Kelly asking her for lawyer recommended lawyer recommendations
00:48:57
excuse me on a criminal matter so she suggested that he contact Peters Roberts borsic and Reuben and that was a
00:49:07
a decouter sorry based Law Firm specializing in criminal law and by noon that day Bart had hired Doug Peters the
00:49:16
firm's leading criminal attorney it's really wild to me that not one person is being like hey
00:49:23
you should do the right thing and like go to your kids like not one person was like I'm gonna step out of line here and
00:49:29
I'm gonna tell you you should probably go take care of your I'm sure somebody probably someone say that but I but
00:49:35
honestly who knows it kind of sounds like Bart was just like he surrounded himself with a lot of yes people exactly
00:49:41
but so any belief that Jennifer had taken her own life quickly fell away once the crime scene technicians got to
00:49:48
work in the house this morning it turned out that Tom Davis's suspicions were pretty accurate given the position of
00:49:55
the body and the gun it would have been impossible that Jennifer shot herself doesn't make physical sense and the most
00:50:01
telling piece of evidence was actually the position of her nightgown it had slid at some point exposing one of her
00:50:07
breasts and the technicians believed that that couldn't have happened after she had as she had slumped over after a
00:50:14
gunshot like it didn't make sense and instead it was their belief that it happened when somebody pulled her body
00:50:20
in an upright like pulled her body upright into like a half off-sitting position on the bed oh that's when it
00:50:26
happened and to add to that which I was like Wow Bart you're a [ __ ] idiot one of the straps on her nightgown had
00:50:34
slid down past her shoulder it couldn't be in that position if she had just lifted her arms to shoot
00:50:40
herself yeah like it didn't make any sense nope and finally her body was discovered with her upper body slightly
00:50:48
Twisted in a way that couldn't have happened no after she had just shot herself I'm glad he's stupid yeah so they were
00:50:55
like okay clearly somebody repositioned her body here yeah like this as a homicide now that was all just what the
00:51:01
naked eye could see but further tests conducted at the scene also quickly disproved the suicide Theory there were
00:51:07
no fingerprints on the gun wow so whoever had used the gun had wiped it down afterwards which was obviously
00:51:13
Jennifer yeah totally clearly after life yes there was also no gunpowder or residue on either of her hands which was
00:51:22
noted as very difficult with that particular gun yeah and lastly the angle at which she would have had to handle
00:51:29
the gun in order for the bullet to enter as it had into her head made it physically impossible she couldn't have
00:51:36
gotten into that position to help to hold that gun in that way so while detect or Excuse me while
00:51:41
technicians dealt with all of that detective head and his team started talking to family members and neighbors
00:51:46
to find out more about their marriage and they started by talking to Dalton Corbin the oldest son
00:51:53
-year-old a seven-year-old now in his interview with Dalton detective head asked the boy or he was a little older
00:51:59
than seven at this point like a couple years had gone by but still young yeah in his interview with Dalton detective
00:52:05
head asked the boy why he told Kelly that his dad had shot his mom he's like why'd you say that like you know he's
00:52:10
got to start off kind of yeah you know and Dalton explained that he actually hadn't seen Bart shoot shoot Jennifer
00:52:16
which like thank whoever but the fact that that was his first thought but given his father's explosive temper and
00:52:23
frightening violent Behavior especially toward his mother lately Dalton said he immediately thought his father had done
00:52:29
it the fact that a child's like it was that simple on that and was like oh yeah he would exactly like like a child your
00:52:36
child is pinpointing you as the killer of his own mother mother yeah right off the bat like you're a failure you're a
00:52:44
failure [ __ ] failure absolutely so his uh Dalton's explanation to detect did two detective heads excuse me Echo
00:52:52
other family members claims that Bart had you know been very abusive and very violent in the very recent past but it
00:53:00
was actually Steve Kelly's husband his statement that actually confirmed investigators suspicions
00:53:07
now Kelly and Steve told detectives that Bart was supposed to have gone away to visit his brother the afternoon before
00:53:15
Jennifer had been found okay and he wasn't supposed to come home until the day after which gave him an alibi yeah
00:53:21
now Steve told those same detectives though that Steve himself had gotten home much
00:53:27
later than he usually did the night before Jennifer's Body had been found he got home sometime after 1 30 am and he
00:53:35
was awake and heard a truck pull into the Corbin's driveway around 2 A.M that was unusual so he poked his head out the
00:53:42
window and he saw the brake lights of Bart's truck illuminated in the driveway and he was like oh I guess like he
00:53:49
didn't you know he must have come back like that's crazy and about 15 minutes later the truck sped away from the
00:53:56
Corbin house quote in a great hurry hmm what what happened there I thought you were away
00:54:03
so having collected statements from the most important people at the scene the the only person investigators at this
00:54:08
point were really [ __ ] eager to talk to was Bart Corbin but I'm sure this is going to come as a
00:54:14
shock to all he was being very uncooperative oh what yeah detectives have been trying to reach him through
00:54:20
his brother Bobby but every attempt so far was unsuccessful Bobby just kept telling them that Bart wanted to talk
00:54:25
with his lawyer before he made a formal statement to the police so after he finished his interview with
00:54:31
Steve detective had tried one last time to reach Bart and did it by calling Bobby Corbin and Bobby told the
00:54:38
detective that Bart had retained a criminal defense lawyer and the lawyer had advised him against talking to
00:54:43
detectives so he would not be coming down to talk to them wow you're all pieces of [ __ ] so right now there wasn't
00:54:50
a ton that they could do because they didn't have necessarily anything pinning him to the crime but they were gonna
00:54:56
start looking because between the statements taken from friends and family and his continued refusal to speak to
00:55:02
investigators he was starting to look like a very strong suspect and suspicions only grew stronger when they
00:55:09
started digging into his background uh-oh which I will get to in part two I knew it I know I don't think I actually
00:55:17
told you at the beginning of this that it was going to be a tupata but it is this one's a oh this one is a doozy you
00:55:24
know and when you said you said December 4th 2004 and I was just thinking about it I was
00:55:29
like oh like what was I doing in 2004 and then I was like you just grabbed do you ever think about that like in these
00:55:34
kind of cases like on the day you're like what was I doing that day when this was happening and I had no idea that
00:55:40
this was happening somewhere in the country it's so weird that you said that because Drew and I had a conversation
00:55:45
like that recently about like something terrible that happened while we were at like Universal yeah and I was like all
00:55:50
of us here like everybody at Universal was just walking around walking around super happy like having probably like
00:55:56
one of the best times ever and then family horrible thing life was happening floating
00:56:02
it's just like really it's like woof yeah I think about Creepy yeah oh man this is a tough one I hope this
00:56:09
guy gets gets it I don't know that's all I'm saying you might get away or he might not I don't
00:56:16
know those are the two choices so I hope again we'll get to it in part two so we
00:56:23
hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it we it's weird but not to worry that you
00:56:28
don't go listen a part to you bye thank you [Music] foreign [Music]